Log from 2006-05-28:
--- Day changed Sun May 28 2006
00:01 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
00:06 <Luke-Jr> I presume nobody has touched CVS in the past hour or plans to?
00:09 <Luke-Jr> bleh, forgot to block commits
00:20 <spidey> hehehe
00:20 <spidey> i like the download stats via konsole
00:24 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:24 <Luke-Jr> anyway, CVS is closed now
00:24 <Luke-Jr> and stage 3c in progress
00:26 <spidey> 'er
00:26 <spidey> i can't find tron :/
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> the movie?
00:26 <spidey> no
00:27 <spidey> i installed it on my ubuntu box
00:27 <spidey> but i cant find it
00:27 <spidey> :/
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> open a terminal and type "armagetronad"
00:28 <spidey> Warning in void FindConfigurationPath(const char*) in ../../builds/b_0.2.8.1/RC1/armagetronad-0.2.8.1/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp:1285 : 
00:28 <spidey>  	Could not determine path to configuration files. Using defaults or command line arguments.
00:28 <spidey> Internal Error: Internal error in static tLanguage* tLanguage::FindStrict(const tString&) in ../../builds/b_0.2.8.1/RC1/armagetronad-0.2.8.1/src/tools/tLocale.cpp:150 : 
00:28 <spidey>  	Language British English not found.
00:28 <spidey> Please send a Bug report!
00:28 <spidey> eh?
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> where and how are you starting it?
00:28 <spidey> konsole
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> what directory are you in?
00:28 <spidey> ~
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> did you install from source?
00:29 <spidey> armagetronad-0.2.8.1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, there should be a menu item for that
00:29 <spidey> not one in games or internet
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> that path to the source file is kinda weird, but I guess it's the path on the machine that built it
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> what are you typing?  just "armagetronad"?
00:30 <spidey> yea
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> did you install it as root, or as regular user?
00:30  * Lucifer_arma guesses regular user, it's ubuntu
00:30 <spidey> i used sudo
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> ls /usr/bin/armagetronad
00:31 <spidey> spidey@Zion:~$ ls /usr/bin/armagetronad
00:31 <spidey> /usr/bin/armagetronad
00:31 <spidey> spidey@Zion:~$
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> ls /usr/etc/games/armagetronad
00:32 <spidey> spidey@Zion:~$ ls /usr/etc/games/armagetronad
00:32 <spidey> ls: /usr/etc/games/armagetronad: No such file or directory
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> ls /usr/etc/
00:32 <spidey> spidey@Zion:~$ ls /usr/etc
00:32 <spidey> ls: /usr/etc: No such file or directory
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's telling you the truth, then.  Can't find it's config files
00:32 <Luke-Jr> I would hope there no /usr/etc
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> ls /etc/games/
00:33 <spidey> ls: /etc/games: No such file or directory
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> uninstall and then reinstall, but this time install it as a regular user
00:34 <spidey> k
00:34 <spidey> this optikal mouse is getting on my nerves
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> also, you might try the rc2 for 0.2.8.2
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to download that and try it
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> er, I guess it's rc1
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.2.8.2_rc1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package?download
00:35 <spidey> hmmm
00:36 <spidey> i can't find it in the package manager :/
00:36 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: why not rc2?
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> because I don't see it on sourceforge and I don't really ahve time to dig for it
00:37 <Luke-Jr> so look the obvious place
00:37 <Luke-Jr> http://beta.armagetronad.net/
00:37 <Luke-Jr> http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.2_rc2%252Farmagetronad-0.2.8.2_rc2.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
00:38  * Lucifer_arma informs Luke-Jr that he ws about to reboot again into the t2 partition, if Luke-Jr would like to help spidey, he can go ahead.
00:38 <Luke-Jr> I don't know anything about the AutoPkg stuff
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> obviously, or you'd know what /usr/etc was for
00:39 <Luke-Jr> /usr/etc does not exist in any OS
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> the one I linked works for me, but with no menu entry
00:39 <spidey> meh.o,
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> I had to type ~/.local/bin/armagetronad to run it
00:39 <spidey> i'ma try the .deb package
00:39  * Lucifer_arma is on Kubuntu, so should be very close to what you've got
00:39 <spidey> well
00:39 <spidey> An error occurred while loading http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.0_rc1%252Farmagetronad_0.2.7.1%252B0.2.8.0_rc1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb:
00:39 <spidey> Timeout on server
00:39 <spidey>  Connection was to beta.armagetronad.net at port 80
00:39 <spidey> i thought i was >.>
00:40 <Luke-Jr> wfm
00:40  * Lucifer_arma notes that the sourceforge link is good :)
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bbiab, hopefully in my t2 partition
00:40 <Luke-Jr> as is the beta link
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00:51 <seckmer> hi
00:51 <seckmer> hi everybody
00:51 <seckmer> I need know, how play in Internet
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00:53 <spidey> eh?
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01:04 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Those acme/branches/dave and acme/tags/daveF are trash, right?
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> ?  sure, but I don't actually know what you're talking about
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> but acme/* is trash :)
01:05 <Luke-Jr> acme had a branch called dave and a tag called daveF
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I don't recall ever branching or tagging it
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> ah, maybe those are the things cvs does on initial import
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> that would make sense, I think I passed those as arguments to cvs import
01:08 <Luke-Jr> ok
01:08 <Luke-Jr> either way, trash =p
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> yea :)
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: did you get a working arma?
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02:16 <Luke-Jr> stumbling block!
02:17 <Luke-Jr> 111 MB ---3e--> 126 MB
02:17 <Luke-Jr> eww :/
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02:19 <z-man> #morning
02:19 <armabot> Good Morning z-man! Random Fortune:  panic("Detected a card I can't drive - whoops\n"); || linux-2.2.16/drivers/net/daynaport.c
02:19 <z-man> anything evil happening?
02:20  * spidey is watching a documentry on the da vinci code
02:20 <z-man> Sounds evil enough for me :)
02:20 <Luke-Jr> 111 MB ---3e--> 126 MB
02:20 <Luke-Jr> eww :/
02:21  * Luke-Jr doesn't care for fiction that pretends to be non-fiction-- especially when it's plagerised
02:22 <spidey> ?
02:22 <z-man> spidey: don't! it's a trap!
02:22 <spidey> heh
02:22 <Luke-Jr> spidey: that describes Da Vinci Code
02:23 <Luke-Jr> z-man: so... IMO, 15 MB is a waste for 3e
02:23 <spidey> it's not a movie....
02:23 <spidey> it's a documentry
02:24 <Luke-Jr> it's plagerised fiction that pretends to be non-fiction
02:24 <z-man> 3e was removing the cvs revision attributes?
02:24 <Luke-Jr> yep
02:25 <spidey> dude,you're not making sense,shhhhhhhhh
02:25 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I suggest you learn the word "fiction" then, and it will make sense
02:25 <spidey> ugh
02:25 <Luke-Jr> maybe "plagerism" if you don't know that one
02:25 <spidey> fake
02:25 <spidey> not real
02:25 <spidey> i'm not retarded dude
02:25 <Luke-Jr> ok, good so you understand :)
02:25 <z-man> I don't care either way, we can leave them in as "last CVS revision that applies". Your call.
02:26 <z-man> spidey: I tried to warn you :)
02:26 <spidey> lol
02:26 <Luke-Jr> z-man: IIRC, you didn't merely *try*
02:26 <z-man> hehe
02:27 <Luke-Jr> if I leave tags out (and only remove from branches and trunk), it goes to about 1/5th
02:27 <Luke-Jr> 3.4 MB increase
02:28 <z-man> Sounds fine, I mean, they do make sense in the tags and dead branches.
02:29 <Luke-Jr> 676 KB increase if I only do trunks
02:30 <z-man> fine as well.
02:30 <z-man> Maybe the trunk and b0_2_8?
02:30 <Luke-Jr> that's harder to generate ;)
02:30 <z-man> Ok :)
02:31  * z-man is off for breakfast
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02:34 <Luke-Jr> z-man: boo
02:34 <Luke-Jr> z-man: I wasn't done w/ you
02:34 <Luke-Jr> what of branches/v0_1_4_{6..9} ?
02:35  * Lucifer_arma has network now
02:35 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I think that's at least a little obvious =p
02:36 <Luke-Jr> ok, I think our choices are a 3.4 MB increase to prepare all branches and trunk, or a 1.7 MB increase for just trunk, 0.2.8, and 0.2.8.2 branches
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> incrase of what?
02:37 <Luke-Jr> repository size
02:37 <Luke-Jr> from 111 MB
02:38 <Luke-Jr> (15 MB increase if we prepare everything incl tags)
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> what effect will it have on us, besides increase of size?
02:38 <Luke-Jr> to summarize, it makes it sane to edit the stuff
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter to me, but obviously if you have to prioritize, trunk gets it :)
02:39 <Luke-Jr> trunk has it in all schemes I've tested =p
02:39 <Luke-Jr> it's a matter of preparing non-0.2.8 non-0.2.8.2 branches
02:40 <Luke-Jr> eg, is there any chance we might want to edit another branch?
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, all current branches other than 0.2.8 release branches are dead and too old to be of value and were merged awhile back
02:41 <spidey> yes i got a working arma, Lucifer
02:41 <Luke-Jr> I'm referring also to branches such as 0.2.7
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> it would be useful at some point to have 0.2.7.1 branch if there is one, but I don't know about necessary
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> right, release branches would be useful.  I don't know if we'll ever do security releases of those branches, though.  They're obsolete, after all ;)
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> and useful doesn't mean immediately useful or necessary.  :)
02:42 <Luke-Jr> worth raising our repo size from 102% to 103% ?
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> heh, depends on where the upper limit is.  If the upper limit were 105%, then no, but if it's 2000000%, obviously yes :)
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> is there an upper limit?
02:43 <Luke-Jr> not AFAIK
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> I seem to remember the policy on cvs was "reasonable size for your project"
02:44 <Luke-Jr> 114% increase for mere property maintenance just looked ugly
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, we *need* trunk and 0.2.8.  I guess I'd put other release branches as second priority, and the remaining branches after that.
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> is it something you can add later?
02:45 <Luke-Jr> yes
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> alright, here you go.  Will it be easier to add or subtract the branches later?
02:45 <Luke-Jr> subtracting, but we're not adding or subtracting anything
02:45 <Luke-Jr> just preparing them for editing
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  mmmm, I can't say it matters terribly to me
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> what do you want to do?
02:46 <Luke-Jr> I figure just do all the branches (+trunk) just so we don't need to worry about it
02:46 <z-man> Luke-Jr: wel, breakfast doesn't take that long :)
02:46 <Luke-Jr> (in the future)
02:46 <z-man> fine by me.
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, I just can't muster enough caring on the matter.  ;)
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> but this xchat is both realy cool and really annoying
02:47 <Luke-Jr> ok I'll do that then
02:47 <Luke-Jr> ...
02:47 <Luke-Jr> wtf does x-chat come into the picture? =p
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's what I'm using right now--no Konversation
02:48 <Luke-Jr> z-man: what of branches/v0_1_4_{6..9} ?
02:48  * Luke-Jr has always been using X-Chat
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> we'll definitely be bringing those back up and doing real work in them ;P
02:48 <z-man> the're dead and can keep their cvs revisions.
02:48 <z-man> I wouldn't mind if everything kept them, to be honest :)
02:49 <Luke-Jr> erm
02:49 <z-man> but in the trunk, they should probably be removed.
02:49 <Luke-Jr> I meant in regard to being branches with 'v'
02:49 <z-man> oh
02:49 <Luke-Jr> just misnamed?
02:49 <z-man> I can't remember, really.
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's neat.  Emerge-Pkg does just what you'd expect it to do
02:49 <z-man> I didn't have a naming convention back then, obviously.
02:50 <Luke-Jr> or should they be tags?
02:50 <Luke-Jr> hm
02:50 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: eh?
02:50 <z-man> If they're branches, they should be branches.
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it scans dependencies, then downloads the source tarballs, then compiles them all
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> sweet!
02:50 <z-man> Even if they contain only a single revision.
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> svn has tags?  I thought it didn't...
02:51 <z-man> It hasn't natively.
02:51 <z-man> They're copies, just like branches.
02:51 <Luke-Jr> 1.4.6/7 seem to be tags from the 'z-man' branch...
02:52 <Luke-Jr> 1.4.8 seems to be a tag from HEAD, but with a single MSVC++ fix commit
02:52 <Luke-Jr> 1.4.9 seems to be a tag from HEAD
02:52  * Lucifer_arma wonders how much damage he'll do when he mounts up his regular home partition to his t2 installation
02:52 <Luke-Jr> I'm tempted to just move them over into tags...
02:52 <z-man> You'll remove all of them later anyway, so what's the big deal?
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> I guess there's only one way to find out
02:53  * Luke-Jr has no intention to remove them...
02:53 <z-man> Yes, make them tags, no problem.
02:53 <z-man> remove == svn delete
02:53 <z-man> hide them.
02:53  * Luke-Jr knows
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> how do you screenshot one of the console login screens?
02:54 <Luke-Jr> they're planned to remain as historical
02:54  * z-man knows Luke-Jr knows
02:54 <z-man> So, they're technically branches, but really were used more like tags?
02:56 <Luke-Jr> yes
02:56 <Luke-Jr> maybe cvs2svn misdetected them or something
02:57 <z-man> No, they are branches for sure, checked with cvs log
02:58 <z-man> I'd say: make them tags.
02:58 <z-man> There really wasn't any non-linear development going on in them, IIRC.
02:59 <Luke-Jr> there wasn't any development in them
02:59 <Luke-Jr> with exception to a MSVC++ fix in 1.4.8
02:59 <Luke-Jr> a single commit
02:59 <z-man> That doesn't contratict my statement :)
02:59 <z-man> Tags.
03:01 <Luke-Jr> I know
03:03 <Luke-Jr> um... is our trunk really 7 MB larger than 0.2.8?
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03:03 <Lucifer_arma> hi luci
03:03 <z-man> We have the music files in there
03:04 <Lucifer_arma_> hi
03:04  * Luke-Jr blames Lucifer_arma 
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's his fault
03:04 <Lucifer_arma_> no it's not, it's his
03:04 <Luke-Jr> are they big?
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> ok, this isn't fun anymore, closing xchat
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03:04 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, shouldn't they be like MIDI?
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> no
03:04 <Luke-Jr> or some other instrumental format
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> midi sucks
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> they're vorbis
03:04 <z-man> No, 2 mb
03:04 <Luke-Jr> blah
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> the music is really 2mb?
03:05 <Luke-Jr> isn't there some source format?
03:05 <z-man> according to du, yes
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I thought they were a little smaller
03:05 <z-man> Yes, but you need Lucifer_arma and a guitar to compile it :)
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: yes, the source format for those tracks takes up somewhere around 40MB
03:05 <Luke-Jr> hrm, analog compositions?
03:05 <Luke-Jr> o
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> drum track, bass track, 2 guitar tracks
03:06 <Luke-Jr> and MIDI cannot do that?
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> 2 songs, the one Raoul gave us is just the vorbis
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> we had this conversation awhile back, iirc.  I won't do midi, if y'all want midi, get it from someone else
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> the consensus was that vorbis was fine
03:06 <Luke-Jr> what's wrong w/ MIDI tho?
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't mind having this conversation again--on the forums where everyone can participate and not here as bitching about repository size
03:07 <z-man> Let's not have this discussion now, OK?
03:07 <z-man> The music is in CVS, and to preserver history, it needs to be in SVN as well.
03:07 <Luke-Jr> I know
03:07 <Luke-Jr> ok
03:08 <n54> easy like sunday morning ^^
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03:08 <Lucifer_arma> so, anybody know why I can't su?
03:08 <guru3> not in the right group?
03:08 <philippeqc> you are not in the group wheel
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> I can login as root from a terminal, but I can't su to it for some reason
03:09 <n54> hi guru3 :)
03:09 <guru3> good morning n54, everyone
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> so how do I add myself to that group?
03:09 <guru3> login as root?
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I can probably add myself to sudoers :)
03:09 <guru3> edit /etc/group ?
03:10  * Lucifer_arma has always managed users with nice graphical tools
03:10  * Luke-Jr prefers to add groups by editing /etc/group
03:10 <guru3> D:
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, how do I edit /etc/group?  s in what's the format?
03:10 <Luke-Jr> text/plain
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I know it's not xml...
03:10 <guru3> it's groupname:x:number:bits
03:10 <guru3> umm
03:10 <guru3> bits=members
03:10 <spidey> Lucifer sudo su works
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> bits=number?  comma-separated list of usernames?
03:11 <guru3> comma bla bla
03:11 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ... or sudo -s
03:12 <spidey> yer
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> that worked, thanks guru3
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> now why isn't it getting /etc/profile?  :(
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> ok, one more thing, bbiab
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03:13 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you're not telling it to?
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03:18 <Lucifer_arma> haha, that was dumb
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> um, brb
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03:19 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you're not telling it to?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> not telling it to what?
03:20 <Luke-Jr> not telling su to do a login
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> ?
03:20 <Luke-Jr> su -
03:20 <philippeqc> su - will load the environment variable associated to the new user
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  I'm accustomed to opening konsole as a regular user and then doing "su" to do stuff
03:21 <Luke-Jr> though I must admit, I've never had to use the - under Gentoo
03:21 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: alias su='su -' may help
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's not sourcing /etc/profile though
03:21 <n54> su is short for switch user afaik
03:21 <Luke-Jr> only login shells source /etc/profile
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> nonono, even konsole isn't sourcing it
03:21 <philippeqc> depends on the path setting you have to your regular user. Often regular users dont have access to /sbin, and lots of the things I do as su are from /sbin
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, maybe not that, but it's not sourcing wherever my prompt is
03:22 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Konsole isn't a login shell by default
03:22 <Luke-Jr> try konsole --ls
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> right, I'm getting a generic bash prompt, that's the only problem :)
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> I want the pretty green one this thing has in it :)
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> now building firefox
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait
03:24 <n54> copy the setting from "which thing" whatever/wherever :) (it will work if the "other thing" has the appropriate stuff for using colors - otherwise you will need to add some small stuff *forgot the names*)
03:24  * n54 wasn't exactly helpful there ^^
03:24 <n54> early morning :) bbl
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> thanks n54, that was very helpful!
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, 5.9GB isn't enough for this operating system
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> what kind of crazy shit is that?!?!?
03:29 <z-man> Is this the T2 thing now?
03:29 <z-man> 5.9 GB for the final installation or the build?
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, t2.  Final installation
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> I ran cleanup and now it's in 4.9G
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> it is a source distribution, though...
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> and I built the desktop target, there's a bunch of shit here I don't need :)
03:30 <z-man> Both KDE and GNOME?
03:30 <z-man> Oo?
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think so
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think I got the whole thing, enlightenment, windowmaker, all that crap
03:32 <z-man> Windowmaker isn't crap!
03:32  * z-man is only using KDE for KTeaTimer :)
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> haha
03:33  * Lucifer_arma has wondered for some time if anybody uses KTeaTimer
03:33 <z-man> Well, it's almost true. KTeaTimer and a console with tabs are basically all I'm asking for.
03:34 <z-man> And regular K applications also run fine in WindowMaker.
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell do you make a package!?!?!?
03:34  * Lucifer_arma always thought WindowMaker and KDE were pretty close
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't WM use Qt?
03:34 <z-man> I don't think so
03:36 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I used to use KTeaTimer
03:36 <Luke-Jr> It's a nice little program
03:36 <Luke-Jr> just needs a rename and some stuff
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> rename?  what for?
03:37 <Luke-Jr> does anyone use it for tea?
03:37 <Luke-Jr> I used mine for ramen, angelhair, etc
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> you time ramen?
03:39 <z-man> Tea gives a nice icon theme, that's all.
03:40 <z-man> And in fact, I do use it for tea most of the time :)
03:40  * Lucifer_arma doesn't time his food, he has a good internal clock
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> except I do have a tendency to forget about my tea....
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> alright, building armagetron
03:42 <n54> here you go Lucifer http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/ *n54 is slightly more useful now* *goes away again*
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> probably going to fail over some dependency
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> sdl?  I don't have sdl?
03:44 <Luke-Jr> lol
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't have libsdl_image
03:47  * Lucifer_arma sighs while he makes yet another package
03:48  * Lucifer_arma has distcc now, though.  :)
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> --disable-sysinstall disables sysinstall script, right?
03:54 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:54 <Luke-Jr> --help
03:54 <Luke-Jr> anyway, 4a is taking a while... going to get some sleep
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
03:55 <philippeqc> night
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> me is hoping to play some arma from his t2 package tonight
03:55  * Lucifer_arma is hoping to play some arma from his t2 package tonight
03:55  * Lucifer_arma wonders if the irc creators came up with /me to make us all talk like Cookie Monster
03:56 <philippeqc> The cookie monster conspiracy?
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> there can be no other explanation
03:57  * philippeqc suddenly notice the unmarked van parked in front of my flat
03:57 <z-man> Is it true the Cookie Monster isn't eating cookies any more?
03:57 <philippeqc> No no, I think you are wrong, the /me is the best thing ever
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> not sure.  They did say he would be less crazy about cookies, to promote healthy eating habits
03:58 <philippeqc> The Veggie Monster?
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I always thought if they just made him puke occasionally they could accomplish that while maintaining the integrity of the character
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> but puking isn't politically correct
03:58 <z-man> Or really fat :)
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> what does this mean?  :
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> Making post-install adaptions.
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> Found shared files with other packages:
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> etc/group: armagetronad sysfiles
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> etc/gshadow: armagetronad sysfiles
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> etc/passwd: armagetronad sysfiles
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> etc/shadow: armagetronad sysfiles
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> for armagetronad
03:59 <philippeqc> Yes we need more puppet characters to promote bulemia.
03:59 <z-man> Possibly autodetected from the useradd command?
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> I think I just disabled sysinstall
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's --disable-sysinstall right?
04:00 <z-man> Mmm, then, of course, that shouldn't be called. Yes, its that swithc.
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> and it is the client, after all
04:00 <z-man> bizarre
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> 0.2.8.1, though
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> it made the sysinstall script
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> are we accidentally still making and installing it?
04:03 <z-man> I don't think so, the autopackage build would break then.
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> scriptsToBuild=$(masterScripts) $(dedScripts) $(regScripts) sysinstall
04:03 <z-man> The sysinstall script should be generated and installed, but not executed if you specify --disable-sysinstall
04:04 <z-man> It's supposed to be executed by the package's post-install hook.
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't put anything in the post-install hook
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> just generic stuff
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> it could be automatically detecting sysinstall and trying to execute it
04:06 <guru3> woooo my mom is ordering the 770 now :D
04:07 <philippeqc> the 770 what?
04:07 <n54> :)
04:07 <guru3> nokia 770
04:07 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I don't think it would be sensible to do such a thing, finding scripts and randomly executing them. Especially since sysinstall takes parameters.
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: sweet!
04:08 <z-man> I checked, 0.2.8.1 client does try to install the user.
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: well, it does check configure && make && make install :)
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> does 0.2.8.1rcwhateer?
04:08 <z-man> yeah, but that's standard :)
04:08 <z-man> The rc clients don't add a user.
04:09 <z-man> But it's an odd problem anyway.
04:09 <philippeqc> o wow, neato
04:09 <z-man> Can you send the complete shell output over?
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> if you can tell me what the name of the tarball is :)
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> have to wait until it fails this time
04:11 <z-man> Anyway, time for some sports. I'll be sort of back in two hours or so.
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> ko
04:12 <philippeqc> ok, cya
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> can I see myself?
04:18 <spidey> no
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, failed on the rc also
04:22 <spidey> ?
04:22 <spidey> http://www.tzo.com/mainpagetext/DynamicDNSorStaticIP.html
04:23 <spidey> charter charges $130 a month for a static ip?
04:23 <spidey> you gotta be shitting me >.>
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> that's annoying as hell.  The thing has resurrected my old mandriva menu!
04:26 <spidey> pwnt?
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> no, just what happens when you keep the same home partition through several distribution changes
04:27  * Lucifer_arma needs to look into fixing that
04:27 <spidey> lol
04:27 <spidey> dude
04:27 <spidey> it's either my network or charter's fucking up again
04:28 <spidey> webpages either don't load,or load slow as hell
04:28 <spidey> everything else is normal :/
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man same problem with rc1
04:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
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04:46 <spidey> sleep!!!!
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04:47 <McSpiddlesGoesSl> 'er
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04:47 <McSpiddles|sleep> meg
04:47 <McSpiddles|sleep> meh
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05:56  * n54 just watched prison break episode 21 *phew* :o
06:05 <guru3> hrhrhr
06:05 <n54> :)
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08:43 <wrtlprnft> #morning
08:44 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft! Random Fortune:  panic("do_trap: can't hit this"); || linux-2.6.6/arch/i386/mm/extable.c
08:45 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: not jpeg2000, wmp (not windows media player, but windows media photo). Totally useless since jpeg2000 is already there and PNG does a better job on lossless compression
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08:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Lucifer_arma i use kteatimer :P
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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13:53 <philippeqc> Hummm, once cant compare 2 std::auto_ptr.
13:53 <philippeqc> s/once/one
13:54 <philippeqc> That makes it difficult to have sets of auto_ptr<junk>. 
13:54 <wrtlprnft> uh, you can, but it's pointless
13:55 <wrtlprnft> &*ptr_1 == &*ptr_2
13:55 <wrtlprnft> or ptr_1.get() == ptr_2.get()
13:55 <philippeqc> o
13:55 <wrtlprnft> two auto_ptrs should never contain the same pointer
13:56 <philippeqc> yes, but I'm looking for the mecanism that I'll need to overload so I can compare the stuff inside of junk inside of the auto_ptr.
13:56  * philippeqc feels very technical 
13:56 <wrtlprnft> oh, the stuff inside...
13:57 <philippeqc> yep, and with your hints, I think I get how to proceed
13:57 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:57 <wrtlprnft> *ptr_1 == *ptr_2
13:57 <wrtlprnft> g2g, cya
13:57 <Luke-Jr> 4a done
13:57 <philippeqc> sorry for not being clear about the stuff of junk
13:58 <philippeqc> cya
13:58 <philippeqc> nice
14:00 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: oups, its std::set<auto_ptr<junk> >
14:00 <philippeqc> that I need to compare
14:01 <z-man> philippeqc: have you looked at boost::any?
14:01 <philippeqc> nope
14:01 <z-man> It's a generic union
14:01 <z-man> I don't know how it works, to be honest, but it's a type that can contain any other type
14:02 <z-man> and I think it has comparison operators.
14:02 <Luke-Jr> but it probably depends on boost
14:02 <philippeqc> what is boost?
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14:03 <Luke-Jr> a gnome library, IIRC
14:03 <z-man> boost is a template library
14:03 <z-man> it doesn't belong to anything
14:04 <z-man> it's sort of a testing ground for things to be proposed as future parts of std::
14:04 <z-man> (some see it like that, anyway)
14:04 <philippeqc> "Most of the limitation of std::auto_ptr are relatively well known:
14:04 <philippeqc>     * std::auto_ptr's cannot be stored within a standard containers."
14:04 <z-man> http://www.boost.org/
14:04 <z-man> philippeqc: correct
14:05 <philippeqc> ok, now I'm REALLY interested.
14:05 <z-man> they have... unusually copy semantics
14:05 <z-man> unusual
14:05 <philippeqc> http://www.codeproject.com/vcpp/stl/boostintro.asp
14:06 <z-man> http://www.boost.org/doc/html/boost/any.html
14:06 <z-man> that'
14:06 <philippeqc> well, MAYBE the idea of dealing with sets' of auto_ptr was not fully considered. More of a "he phil, now that your code is somewhat working, why not put auto_ptr all over it"
14:06 <z-man> tha'ts boost::any
14:07 <z-man> hmm, it doesn't have < > comparisons
14:08 <Luke-Jr> anyone know what b_1_0 was for macosx_recorder?
14:09 <z-man> nemostultae may
14:10 <Luke-Jr> it's branches/.1.0 now
14:13 <philippeqc> z-man, then how do they make it work in collections without < ?
14:14 <z-man> Don't ask me, I was only dropping a name :(
14:14 <z-man> Perhaps it can be added?
14:14 <philippeqc> grrr, I get a 404 on the page presenting boost different smart pointers
14:15 <z-man> they've got shared_ptr and scoped_ptr, IIRC
14:15 <philippeqc> http://www.boost.org/libs/smart_ptr/smart_ptr.htm
14:15 <z-man> shared_ptr probably is what you want, scoped_ptr is like auto_ptr
14:17 <philippeqc> ok thanks
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14:40 <Luke-Jr> nemostultae: lala ping
14:41 <Luke-Jr> nemostultae: what is/was b_1_0 and do we need it beyond history?
14:51 <philippeqc> dumb question, what is the diff between ia64 and x86_64?
14:55 <z-man> ia is Intel Architecture
14:57 <z-man> If you have a system, it's most likely x86_64.
14:58 <philippeqc> so ia would be both cpu and moderboard's chipset from Intel?
14:58 <z-man> yes
14:59 <philippeqc> ok, thanks
14:59 <z-man> And not just any intel, one of those Itanium things.
15:00 <philippeqc> my mandriva seems a bit screwed. I'm unable to install new packages. I've tried to clear a few package location, rebuild the database of packages, but it still refuse to take in new sources
15:04  * z-man doesn't know a thing about mandriva
15:09 <spidey> i tried mandrivia once
15:09 <spidey> didn' like it :/
15:12 <philippeqc> I tried debian, and gave me a heck of a prob. Then Red Hat, and t'was a pain. Then Mandrake just worked for me. Or rather, the bits that where important worked, so I wanted to continue fixing it. Then i realised distro are like colors. Try a few till you find one that looks nice for you.
15:13 <philippeqc> I did try gentoo for a while, till I realised that a) there was no perceivable gain in performance and b) I spent more time maintaining it and updating it than actually using it ;) came back to Mandriva.
15:13 <philippeqc> but now I suspect its the db of the package that is at fault, it just the first time I ever have such a prob.
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15:30  * z-man notes it's approx. one hour til bedtime (and will only sporadically listen here), so if Luke-Jr has something to ask him, that's the limit.
15:31 <spidey> in 100 years everyone living right now will be dead!
15:31 <spidey> comferting eh?
15:31 <ghableska> very...
15:31 <spidey> lol
15:33 <Vanhayes> well im only 17 and in 100 years medicine will probly be better so there is a chance I might be alive then
15:33 <philippeqc> Ha, a schrodinger's problem. I sat and watched all the segment of the database get redownloaded, and now it works. I might have _also_ erased the corrupt bits in the right order this time to, but I'm quite confident that watching the megabytes get downloaded made sure they wherent corrupted
15:34 <spidey> van you're 17?
15:35 <spidey> i always thought you was older :/
15:35 <spidey> i'll be 17 in november :D
15:37 <Vanhayes> 18 in september for me
15:37 <spidey> i'll be glad when i turn 18
15:37 <spidey> can move outta this place
15:37 <spidey> >.>
15:37 <philippeqc> 32 the 18 nov here
15:39 <spidey> cool
15:41 <n54> 32 already (and it sucks!) ^^
15:42 <spidey> lmao
15:43 <n54> :)
15:43  * spidey wants to urn 21 and not get older
15:43 <ghableska> you have a lot to look forward too then ;)
15:43 <spidey> s/urn/turn
15:43 <spidey> ghab
15:44 <spidey> that fortress server you had up,did you host it?
15:44 <ghableska> yep
15:44 <spidey> cool
15:44 <spidey> i would put mine back up
15:45 <spidey> but i'm not putting it on my windows box,and i don't know where the config fles and stuff is in linux
15:46 <Vanhayes> why do you want to turn 21 and not older?
15:47 <spidey> i'm young,it's normal
15:47 <spidey> lol
15:47 <ghableska> :P
15:47 <spidey> :p
15:48 <Vanhayes> but why 21?
15:49 <spidey> cause i can buy liquor and not have other people get it >.>
15:50 <spidey> grrrrr,i need another mouse :|
15:50 <Vanhayes> wait where is it 21 that you can buy liqur?
15:50 <ghableska> US
15:50 <spidey> US
15:50 <spidey> what he said
15:50 <Vanhayes> all US?
15:50 <spidey> yea
15:51 <Vanhayes> that would suck
15:51 <spidey> lol
15:51 <Vanhayes> only 19 here
15:51 <spidey> yea
15:51 <Vanhayes> 18 in Alberta
15:51 <Vanhayes> those drunks
15:51 <ghableska> :P
15:51 <spidey> you can.have to(if you're drafted) at 18 go die for your country but you can't drink
15:51 <spidey> gey
15:51 <spidey> gay*
15:52 <ghableska> heh
15:53 <Vanhayes> wait you can still get drafted!!!
15:53 <spidey> yer
15:53 <Vanhayes> wow I thought US got rid of that
15:53 <spidey> nah
15:53 <ghableska> not yet at least
15:53 <Vanhayes> that would suck, Hard
15:56 <spidey> interesting
15:56 <ghableska> ?
15:57 <spidey> hey ghab,during the 9-11 attacks,did you see on the news about the bomb on the george washington bridge?
15:57 <ghableska> nope
15:57 <spidey> i just found a artical about it :.
15:57 <spidey> :/
15:57 <ghableska> weird
15:57 <ghableska> same day?
15:57 <spidey> yea
15:57 <spidey> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
15:58 <spidey> i heard it in a song,so i googled it
16:12 <philippeqc> bed time
16:12 <philippeqc> cya
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16:48 <Vanhayes> cya
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16:54 <guru3> a note about the mysql redundancy: one wee colision screws everything up
16:54 <guru3> until you remove the colision
16:54 <guru3> and then it syncs up perfectly
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17:11 <madmax|pt> hello
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17:18 <[2l4]FLAG_afk> Servus to all the community
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17:20 <guru3> nn ya'll
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17:40 <z-man> bedtime for me, too. Good day, Lucifer_arma.
17:40 <Lucifer_arma> morning
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17:49 <spidey> doooooooooood
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17:49 <ghableska> hi
17:49 <spidey> hayes
17:49 <Vanhayes> hey ghab
17:49 <spidey> i love hayes
17:49 <spidey> she's gonna be the mother of my kids
17:49 <Vanhayes> she?
17:50 <spidey> :p
17:50 <ghableska> o_0
17:50 <spidey> lol
17:52 <madmax|pt> hello hayes, ghab
17:52 <ghableska> hi madmax|pt
17:54 <madmax|pt> guys, are we ever going to finish the spoon!?
17:54 <ghableska> lol, I don't know
17:54 <madmax|pt> what about the game with mbc?
17:54 <madmax|pt> spidey?
17:54 <ghableska> everyone was confused about the times
17:55 <Vanhayes> hey madmax
17:56 <Vanhayes> nothing is planned atm, and I'm kinda busy for a while, so if anyone wants to set it up go ahead
17:57 <ghableska> anyone seen 2020 around recently?
17:57 <Vanhayes> a few days ago
17:57 <madmax|pt> no...
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18:08 <ghableska>  
18:11 <madmax|pt>  
18:11 <ghableska> :P
18:12 <madmax|pt> lol
18:14 <spidey> max?
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18:18 <madmax|pt> do you know anything about some match with mbc vs aw?
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> I don't
18:21 <spidey> no
18:21 <spidey> ask wrtl,he's the one that sets them up
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18:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.example.com/
18:27  * Lucifer_arma is testing his custom colors, pay no attention
18:28 <spidey> lol
18:28 <spidey> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
18:28 <ghableska> ?
18:28 <spidey> i'm getting very annoyed
18:28 <spidey> something's wrong with my network
18:29 <spidey> websites take forever and a day to load
18:29 <spidey> :/
18:30 <spidey> rebooting the router
18:30 <spidey> brb
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> t2 has pyqt
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, reboot the router and the cable modem
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18:31 <spidey> meh
18:32 <spidey> that didn't help
18:32 <spidey> :/
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> probably just some kid near you using up all the bandwidth
18:32 <ghableska> :P
18:32 <spidey> that id being me?
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> in english?
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> ah, nvm
18:33 <spidey> s/id/kid
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> sure, you using a lot of bandwidth?
18:33 <spidey> no...
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> you know a cable connection is shared, you're basically sharing it with the people near you
18:33 <spidey> i live in the sticks.....
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how far the sharing goes, though
18:33 <spidey> old people out here....
18:34 <spidey> i have p2p capped at 200kb/s
18:34 <spidey> that leaves 150+kb/s
18:34 <spidey> and i don't share the files so my upload isn't affected by it
18:35 <Lucifer_arma> leech!
18:35 <spidey> hey, i have 30kb/s upload
18:35 <spidey> i don't have enough to share with p2p
18:35 <spidey> teamspeak takes half that
18:35 <spidey> then when i play games like halo or tron,the other half is gone
18:36 <spidey> there we go
18:36 <spidey> loading fine now
18:37 <spidey> guess 2 months is too long to go without restarting a router
18:37 <spidey> heh
18:38  * Lucifer_arma notes that the Pure and Virtuous shut down the other stuff while they're trading P2P, and then shut down P2P when they're done.
18:39 <spidey> i multi task alot
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's official.  Java is dangerous.
18:39 <spidey> and everything i do uses bandwith
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5025874.stm
18:39 <spidey> shell server on this box,teamspeak and sometimes tron or soldat server on the windows box
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18:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think my wife killed both of my kids' fish today
18:45 <Luke-Jr> !!!
18:47 <Lucifer_arma> she cleaned their tanks, changed half of the water
18:47 <Lucifer_arma> she added cold tap water, and she didn't add the water treatment because "I don't know where it is"
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> their tropical fish!
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> *they're
18:48 <Luke-Jr> you know, if you just let the tap water settle for 1 hour it's ok
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> the book we have says to aerate it for 48 hours or let it settle for a week
18:48 <Luke-Jr> hm
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> but you never add it to a tank with live fish without doing *something*
18:49 <Luke-Jr> erm, no
18:49 <Luke-Jr> that
18:49 <Luke-Jr> that's not good
18:49 <Luke-Jr> should always move the fish to a jar or such first
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, one of them has stuck his head in the corner by the rocks and quit moving, looks dead
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> the other is settling on the bottom on top of the pebbles and starting to lean, I don't think he's going to make it
18:49 <Luke-Jr> fish float when dead
18:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, they don't.  :)
18:50  * Lucifer_arma has already buried one fish from these tanks
18:50 <Luke-Jr> yes they do... >.>
18:50 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it depends on the breed?
18:50 <Lucifer_arma> these are bettas
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18:50 <Luke-Jr> could be, but I've never heard of otherwise
18:50 <Luke-Jr> my last one was a betta
18:51 <Luke-Jr> but I didn't see it die either
18:51 <Lucifer_arma> they also sleep near the bottom sometimes, resting on the pebbles, so maybe this other one's taking a nap
18:51 <Luke-Jr> my first fish played dead all the time before he finally died, tho
18:51 <Lucifer_arma> but cold tap water is just bad news, and it ws half the water in the tank
18:52 <Luke-Jr> he was only supposed to live a week, but ended up making it like 7 years or so
18:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's cool.  why was he only supposed to live a week?
18:53 <Luke-Jr> just one of those breeds
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> "Can you pick this stuff up?"
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> "I don't know where it all goes."
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> "It's your room, you get to decide where it goes."
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh!"  :)
19:28 <Luke-Jr> "It goes on the floor right there :)"
19:28 <wrtlprnft> #later tell madmax uh, currently there's no match planned, but I'd like us to play them...
19:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:30 <Lucifer_arma> haha
19:33 <wrtlprnft> #later tell phil uh, the fact that you can't put std::auto_ptrs into containers is exactly why i made tAutoDeque ;)
19:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: is svn supposed to work by now? It doesn't for me :(
19:35 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no
19:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok
19:36 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: waiting for nemo to tell me wtf b_1_0 is
19:36 <wrtlprnft> what does it contain?
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19:38 <ghableska> hello
19:38 <wrtlprnft> #hi ghableska 
19:39 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it appears to be the initial import... o.O
19:40  * Luke-Jr considers just trashing it
19:40 <wrtlprnft> it will still be in the old CVS, right?
19:40 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
19:40 <wrtlprnft> so you could just delete it now and if it turns out to be important put it in...
19:43 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it will still be in Svn history, yes
19:46 <wrtlprnft> * gas/liquid/solid (states of matter representing the stability, easily extended to "plasma" for experimental stuff)
19:46 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:46 <ghableska> O_o
19:47 <wrtlprnft> you don't *mean* that, do you Luke-Jr?
19:54 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> uh, that's what you put on the wiki
19:55 <Luke-Jr> no
19:55 <spidey> O_O
19:55 <wrtlprnft> or, no, sorry
19:55 <wrtlprnft> that was z-man
19:56 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:56 <spidey> ...
19:57 <wrtlprnft> actually it's a great idea, now that it doesn't come from Luke-Jr 
19:57 <wrtlprnft> jk
19:57 <spidey> lol
19:57 <spidey> pwnt
19:59 <ghableska> :/
20:00 <spidey> i love you ghab?
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> couple of comments, maybe I should post them.  :)
20:00 <spidey> -?
20:00 <ghableska> huh?
20:00 <spidey> i
20:00 <spidey> love
20:00 <spidey> joo
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> OS X isn't unix, afaik.  At least, from our point of view for building workspaces it probably needs its own workspace.
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> Also, I don't think private spaces should be "no access by other people".  That's not transparency!  At least let everyone else have read access to them.
20:02 <ghableska> <3
20:02 <spidey> <3
20:02 <ghableska> <3
20:03 <wrtlprnft> why would i upload it to sf if only i could access it?
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> "At some point, private branches in the repository may be available to non-developers on request."  <-- very last line on the wiki page
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> if that means "only developers have read access to it", then I'm opposed to it.
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> However, it could mean non-developers can be given write access to it without exposing the whole repository, in which case I'm all over it, I like that.
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> but I think we should look over submaster closely to provide a way for non-developers to participate in development
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> :)
20:05 <wrtlprnft> we could make a branch for non-devs :)
20:06 <wrtlprnft> if there's no changes for a week we'll just overwrite it with the trunk, if there is we look at them :)
20:06 <wrtlprnft> and decide if we a) delete them, b) move them to the trunk or c) keep them there and merge the trunk into them
20:07 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: we can't block read access, FWIW
20:08 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: that last line is meant that we may grant non-developers write access to their own /private/name dir
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't think we could, anyway, but we are kinda looking to move away from sourceforge.  This change to svn is a stepping-stone.
20:08 <Luke-Jr> I don't think SF allows us to do ACL-level control of Svn
20:09 <Luke-Jr> but once we leave SF, we can use those to allow Self_Destructo to write only to /private/Self_Destructo
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> we might be able to host such an area on one of our own servers
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's not "mission-critical" the same way the trunk is
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed when I checked out t2 that it went to 3 different repositories.  Is that one of the things this external reference lets us do?
20:10 <Luke-Jr> yes
20:10 <Luke-Jr> in fact, I'm thinking we should see if we can replace parts of winlibs or src/thirdparty with externals
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> that depends on some of those things being hosted on svn repos.  :/
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> shttpd might be, they're a sourceforge project
20:11 <Luke-Jr> yes
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> the Particle System is not, however.  His development tree is closed, we're stuck with releases.
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> binreloc might be on a svn repo, though.  That's with autopackage
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> what else is in there?
20:12 <Luke-Jr> SDL
20:12 <Luke-Jr> libxml2
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's it for src/thirdparty
20:12 <Luke-Jr> winlibs
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.libsdl.org/svn.php
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> libxml2 is in cvs
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> shttpd is still in cvs, hasn't made the switch yet
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> autopackage is in cvs still, too
20:22 <Luke-Jr> darcs needs copies/branches and intra-repository moves
20:22 <Luke-Jr> then it would be perfect ;)
20:23 <Luke-Jr> oh, and the ability to get only a segment of a repository...
20:30 <Luke-Jr> hrm
20:30 <Luke-Jr> that 'z-man' branch looks like it might have been a '0.1.4' branch
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20:46 <SuPeRTaRD> i got yer 'branch' right here
20:47  * SuPeRTaRD grabs self *
20:47 <SuPeRTaRD> :)
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> 1 fish dead, probably the other one soon if it's not dead yet
20:47  * Lucifer_arma is pissed about it
20:47  * Lucifer_arma worked hard to take care of those fish
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> and then it's all fucked over when my wife goes and puts in cold untreated tap water
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> now my wife tells me the other fish is dead, too
20:53 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't one know that?
20:54 <wrtlprnft> that you shouldn't put water in a tank without knowing what you're doing?
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> the risk with her is that she always knows what she's doing :/
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> not as bad as Luke-Jr, she actually listens
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> but I was asleep
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> (I say that, but Luke-Jr has been doing a much better job of listening lately)
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> I always thought the Chipettes were hot
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know if dietlibc will run python?
21:29 <Luke-Jr> try? =p
21:29 <Luke-Jr> full trunk checkout is 64 MB
21:31 <Luke-Jr> full repository checkout is somewhere around 500 MB IIRC
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21:32 <Lucifer_arma> what's in a full checkout?
21:32 <wrtlprnft> if you checkout the trunk, do you get the history, too?
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> full trunk checkout, that is
21:32 <wrtlprnft> winlibs and stiff
21:32 <wrtlprnft> *stuff
21:32 <wrtlprnft> all modules, if i got that right
21:33 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: everything
21:33 <Luke-Jr> if you checkout trunk, you get latest armagetronad, winlibs, build*, macosx_recorder
21:33 <Luke-Jr> if you checkout the full repo, you get all branches, tags, etc
21:33 <Luke-Jr> and tools
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> aha, ok
21:33 <Luke-Jr> Repository size is 115 MB
21:34 <Luke-Jr> dumpfile is 43 MB
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> how big is a minimal checkout?  i.e. just the old armagetronad module
21:34 <wrtlprnft> so, is it supposed to work now?
21:34  * wrtlprnft is impatient, he knows
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> what's cpio?
21:34 <Luke-Jr> 26 MB
21:35 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no, I need to upload it
21:35 <Luke-Jr> cpio is something like tar
21:37 <Luke-Jr> 30 KB/sec is too
21:37 <Luke-Jr> slow
21:37 <Luke-Jr> let's uncap for wrtlprnft ;)
21:41 <Luke-Jr> hopefully SF's actual loading won't take long
21:41 <Luke-Jr> ~10 min on transfer
21:43 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:47 <Luke-Jr> transfer 50%
21:47 <wrtlprnft> wow. a 1v1 tournament must be extremely boring...
21:47 <Luke-Jr> note only up to stage 4c are done
21:47 <Luke-Jr> stage 5 requires code modifications, so it will happen later
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21:49 <Luke-Jr> http://sourceforge.net/project/admin/svn_migration.php
21:49 <Luke-Jr> note the upload isn't done yet, I'm hoping it will finish while we wait and I won't need to wait again
21:49 <wrtlprnft> Error
21:49 <wrtlprnft> GROUP PROBLEM
21:49 <wrtlprnft> PROBLEM CREATING GROUP OBJECT
21:50 <Luke-Jr> try again =p
21:50 <Luke-Jr> oops, we're out of queue before ul done
21:50 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> same error
21:51 <Luke-Jr> http://sourceforge.net/project/admin/svn_migration.php?group_id=110997
21:51 <wrtlprnft> 2006-05-28 21:502006-05-28 21:50 FAILED
21:52 <wrtlprnft> O_o
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> 2006-05-28 19:50  	 2006-05-28 19:50  	 FAILED
21:52 <Luke-Jr> like I said
21:52 <Luke-Jr> upload isn't there
21:53 <Luke-Jr> 96$
21:53 <Luke-Jr> %
21:53  * Lucifer_arma wonders what he needs to put on his cd to satisfy python dependencies
21:53  * wrtlprnft thinks Luke-Jr is thinking about money too much $.$
21:53  * Luke-Jr thinks $ is left of %
21:53  * wrtlprnft thinks % is right of $
21:55 <Luke-Jr> um wtf
21:55 <Luke-Jr> I'm not in the armagetronad group on the shell server...
21:56  * Lucifer_arma is starting another t2 build, heh heh
21:56  * Lucifer_arma forgot to hit the distcc flag
21:57  * wrtlprnft is going to bed
21:57  * wrtlprnft #night
21:57 <wrtlprnft> bah
21:57 <wrtlprnft> #night
21:57 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
21:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: but... :/
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> night
21:57 <Luke-Jr> anyone here in the armagetronad group on the shell srv?
21:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, any estimate? I have shool tomorrow
21:57 <wrtlprnft> what server?
21:57 <Luke-Jr> shell.sf.net
21:58 <wrtlprnft> -bash-2.05b$ groups
21:58 <wrtlprnft> users armagetronad
21:58 <Luke-Jr> ok
21:58 <Luke-Jr> go figure
21:58 <wrtlprnft> what do you want me to do
21:58 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:58 <Luke-Jr> cp /home/users/l/lu/luke-jr/complete-to-4c.svndump.bz2 /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/initialsvn4c.bz2 -v
22:00 <Luke-Jr> -bash-2.05b$ groups
22:00 <Luke-Jr> users moonix vb4linux hybridsphere actor kye odc moo3d ipf gtk2qt p2pcc tasogare moo gakusei
22:00 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:00 <Luke-Jr> maybe I just maxed out =p
22:00 <wrtlprnft> done
22:00 <Luke-Jr> thx
22:01 <wrtlprnft> in progress it says
22:01 <wrtlprnft> yw
22:01 <Luke-Jr> yea
22:01 <wrtlprnft> woo that server even has zsh :)
22:01 <wrtlprnft> in contrast to yours :P
22:02 <Luke-Jr> zsh? =p
22:02 <Luke-Jr> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/
22:02 <Luke-Jr> real progress report ;)
22:02 <wrtlprnft> zsh = shell
22:02 <wrtlprnft> zsh = shell that wrtlprnft uses
22:03 <Luke-Jr> 4614 revs total
22:03 <wrtlprnft> that means we get anonymous svn access that is in total sync with dev access?
22:03 <Luke-Jr> not sure
22:03 <Luke-Jr> I think so
22:03 <Luke-Jr> but CVS is that way now too if so
22:04 <wrtlprnft> omg
22:04 <Luke-Jr> we're 15 months away
22:04 <Luke-Jr> omg?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> try typing df on that server
22:04 <Luke-Jr> rofl
22:04 <Luke-Jr> I'd hate to be a b* group =p
22:04 <wrtlprnft> lots of partitions
22:05 <Luke-Jr> partitions? no
22:05 <Luke-Jr> NFS
22:05 <wrtlprnft> yeah, whatever
22:05 <Luke-Jr> they're all diff servers
22:05 <wrtlprnft> mountpoints
22:07 <Luke-Jr> I'm going to miss WebSvn :/
22:07 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:08 <Luke-Jr> http://beta.armagetronad.net/websvn/listing.php?repname=AA&path=%2F&rev=0&sc=0
22:09 <wrtlprnft> the sf thingy looks better on first glance ;)
22:09 <wrtlprnft> rss feeds you can get from that CIA thing
22:10 <Luke-Jr> yeah, I hated WebSvn when I first installed it
22:10 <Luke-Jr> but its UI has some nice aspects
22:10 <Luke-Jr> didn't even notice it had RSS
22:11 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you around?
22:11 <wrtlprnft> well, there's a coloumn on the right ;)
22:11 <Luke-Jr> hehe, it says XML tho not RSS
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, sorta, what's up?
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22:11 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: uh, look at the coloumn heading...
22:11 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: will need you to install CIA, I think
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> "Dad, it's freezing in our rooms."
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> "Ok, thanks for telling me"
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> ?  my server's uhhhh, kind of in limbo right now
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> is this a permanent installation you need?
22:12 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:12 <wrtlprnft> what about http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/?
22:13 <Luke-Jr> http://sourceforge.net/project/admin/svn.php?group_id=110997
22:13 <Luke-Jr> at the bottom, select ciabot_svn
22:13 <Luke-Jr> and click Add
22:13 <wrtlprnft> yay
22:13 <Luke-Jr> then tell me the fields, I'll give the values
22:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: at the bottom of what?
22:14 <Luke-Jr> http://sourceforge.net/project/admin/svn.php?group_id=110997
22:14 <wrtlprnft> or are you talking to Lucifer_arma ?
22:14 <Luke-Jr> yes
22:14  * Lucifer_arma has no idea what's going on
22:14 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Svn import is done, just need CIA installed before anyone commits
22:15 <wrtlprnft> everyone needs that?
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> no parameters
22:15 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: there's no params? :(
22:15 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the server needs it
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, so I just clicked 'finish add"
22:16 <Luke-Jr> let's hope it uses the same project name then >.>
22:16 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: got something to commit?
22:16 <wrtlprnft> no, not really
22:16 <wrtlprnft> the better part of my self just wants to get rid of the excuse why I didn't do any code changes
22:17 <wrtlprnft> "if i do anything i'll just have trouble porting it into the svn repo"
22:17 <Luke-Jr> <.<
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> just add a static variable to some file and commit it, then remove it and commit *that*
22:18 <Luke-Jr> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/
22:19  * Lucifer_arma is working on carlinux right now, will soon be writing his t2 article
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> (which means all my CPU time is currently occupied, sorry)
22:21 <wrtlprnft> yay committed!
22:22 <Luke-Jr> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad
22:22 <wrtlprnft> yay, yay, yay!
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #praise Luke-Jr 
22:22  * armabot gives Luke-Jr the Medal of Not Sucking
22:23 <Luke-Jr> O.o
22:23 <wrtlprnft> and now good night, finally ;)
22:23 <Luke-Jr> wait!
22:23 <Luke-Jr> if you don't want windoze trash...
22:23 <Luke-Jr> cd trunk/winlibs
22:23 <Luke-Jr> svn switch https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/.emptydir
22:23 <wrtlprnft> uh, i never got that
22:23 <wrtlprnft> i did
22:23 <Luke-Jr> o
22:24 <wrtlprnft> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad armagetronad
22:24 <wrtlprnft> as posted on the wiki
22:24 <Luke-Jr> heh
22:24 <Luke-Jr> you didn't get build etc then
22:24 <wrtlprnft> build?
22:24 <wrtlprnft> aaaah
22:24 <wrtlprnft> i can't build that thing!
22:24 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> can't build what thing?
22:25 <wrtlprnft> i thought build was just for releases
22:25 <Luke-Jr> it is, mainly
22:25 <wrtlprnft> bootstrap.sh is missing
22:25 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
22:25 <Luke-Jr> shouldn't be
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh
22:25 <wrtlprnft> nvm
22:25 <wrtlprnft> i was in the wrong dir
22:25 <Luke-Jr> I have it
22:25 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:25  * Lucifer_arma takes wrtlprnft's crack pipe from him.  Enough for you!
22:25  * wrtlprnft should get some sleep
22:25 <Luke-Jr> hehe
22:25  * Luke-Jr ponders how to keep wrtlprnft up more
22:26 <wrtlprnft> quickly add some error that prevents me from compiling arma?
22:26  * Lucifer_arma mumbles about font resource dtd
22:26 <wrtlprnft> that won't keep me awake
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here have a dreamcast?
22:26 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: are we anywhere near htat?
22:27 <wrtlprnft> in fact, this will get me to bed real fast
22:27  * wrtlprnft dodges upcoming work
22:27  * Luke-Jr thinks we should use a proprietary XML font format to avoid binary data
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: afaik, yes.  We can put one together.  I wouldn't suggest it's the final version, though.  But it wouldn't hurt to sling code.
22:27  * wrtlprnft leaves that discussion to Luke-Jr and Lucifer_arma 
22:27 <Luke-Jr> FTGL easily extended to support pre-converted XML fonts? ;)
22:28  * Lucifer_arma is about to step out anyway and let his build take over his computer
22:28 <Luke-Jr> builds can be evil sometimes
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, this one isn't as big as the last one, so it probably will only take a couple of hours
22:28 <wrtlprnft> so, uh, an XML font format would be ~10 times the size
22:28  * Lucifer_arma is starting work proper on his car box
22:28 <wrtlprnft> unless you just embed the binary data as it is
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but you know how much that shit compresses with bz2 :)
22:29 <wrtlprnft> maybe we should make an xml image format?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> <image>
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> bz2 on ascii files is "Honey, I shrunk the kids!"
22:29 <wrtlprnft> <row>
22:29 <wrtlprnft> <pixel red="255" green="0" blue="42" />
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> <pixel r= g= b= a= />  ?
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> need an alpha channel
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> then you need Luke's pseudo-looping thingee he was trying to lay on us
22:30 <wrtlprnft> <pixel red="123" green="42" blue="0" alpha="128" />
22:30 <wrtlprnft> </row>
22:30 <wrtlprnft> <!-- ... -->
22:30 <wrtlprnft> </image>
22:30 <wrtlprnft> !!!
22:30 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: even if it's a vector format?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> arma runs! WOOT!
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> if you want ascii, why not use pbm?
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> er, or one of the X11 formats?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ttf IS a vector font format
22:31 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it's not XML
22:31 <Luke-Jr> XML vector formats don't need to be horrible
22:31 <Luke-Jr> in fact, maybe there already is one
22:31 <Luke-Jr> like Svg font or such
22:31  * Lucifer_arma notes that fontforge uses an xml format for its own format, the ttf is an export operation
22:31  * wrtlprnft goes to bed now. good night
22:31 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: that might be an option
22:31 <wrtlprnft> and TTF is the format most fonts are in
22:32 <wrtlprnft> so, it is the easiest for our users
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter terribly to me, our font's already fontforge.  EXCEPT:
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> we need to support ttf for those 3rd party extenders
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> they *need* ttf :)
22:32 <Luke-Jr> tho 'sfd' appears to be non-XML
22:32 <Luke-Jr> right... hm
22:32  * wrtlprnft won't do any code for that. someone else fool with it
22:32  * Lucifer_arma knows only what the website says, he didn't open the sfd file himself
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> but since we need to support ttf for the other guys, we may as well just use it.
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> unless you really want your own format, then knock yourself out.  Just make sure we have a tool to build it :)
22:34  * Lucifer_arma is away: smoking
22:38 <Luke-Jr> ok, so we'd need a TTF->SVG Font and FTGL SVG Font loader
22:42 <Luke-Jr> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/ttf2svg.html
22:45  * Lucifer_arma sighs.
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> my son's fish is definitely dead, he's laying on his side :(
22:45  * Lucifer_arma is back.
22:46  * Lucifer_arma wants to hit something
22:59 <Luke-Jr> the fish probably won't mind
23:02 <Luke-Jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=50471#50471
23:19 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-112-89-155.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I didn't want to play against ai's
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> :(
23:19 <Luke-Jr> :/
23:19 -!- shadowarts [n=shadowar@adsl-68-79-98-90.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #armagetron
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> losing ttf support isn't a benefit, it's a drawback
23:20 <shadowarts> hi
23:20 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: only if we need TTF support
23:20 <Luke-Jr> shadowarts: hi :)
23:21 <shadowarts> Luke-Jr, looks like a pretty neat game :D
23:22 <Luke-Jr> shadowarts: we *just* migrated to Subversion
23:22 <shadowarts> yes subversion is quite nice
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> man, I want my media player to play Me and Julio down by the Schoolyard like 10 times every time it plays it
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> I just had a cool fight with Pez, and I gotta say the timing of that song's perfect for a fight
23:25 <shadowarts> how long has this game been around?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> 5, 6, 7 years?
23:25 <shadowarts> so quite a while now :D
23:25 <Luke-Jr> yes
23:26 <Luke-Jr> it wasn't any good till I joined a few months ago tho
23:26 <Luke-Jr> =p j/k
23:32 <shadowarts> use SDL or anything in it?
23:35 <Luke-Jr> SDL, yes
23:35 <Luke-Jr> SDL+OpenGL
23:36 <shadowarts> cool

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