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Log from 2006-05-27:
--- Day changed Sat May 27 2006
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01:39 <n54> good morning :)
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02:14 <z-man> morning
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02:25 <philippeqc> hi
02:31 <n54> hi philippeqc :)
02:31 <philippeqc> how are you
02:32 <n54> a bit stressed :)
02:32  * n54 is taking a break from washing windows
02:32 <philippeqc> washing windows shouldnt induce stress unless you live over the 7th floor
02:33  * n54 lives on 7th
02:34 <n54> but it's the illness that causes it, not the height ^^
02:34 <philippeqc> o ok
02:36 <philippeqc> sit down with a good book, take a long warm bath, or maybe just breathing deeply. Few things are worth carriying stress for.
02:36 <philippeqc> and healing will have to take its time
02:37 <n54> nah I got to it now (I'm halfway done) and then I have to take some pictures & stuff for the owner of the flat because they're going to do stuff here on monday
02:37 <n54> it will be ok :)
02:38  * n54 gets back to it
02:39 <philippeqc> ok
02:40 <Luke-Jr> BLA
02:50 <philippeqc> hi Luke-Jr 
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03:09 <z-man> Any debian experts around?
03:10 <z-man> Or shell scripting gurus?
03:10 <z-man> I've got this strange problem. When you do on the shell prompt with bash:
03:10 <z-man> some_command &
03:10 <z-man> jobs -p
03:11 <z-man> then you get the PID of the just backgrounded some_command printed.
03:11 <z-man> Now, in debian sarge, and only there, you don't get anything printed if you do that in a shell script.
03:11 <z-man> It works on the command line, too, but not in a script.
03:11 <z-man> Any clue?
03:12 <philippeqc> could it be something of the sort that it sends it to stderr rather than stdout?
03:12 <z-man> no, stderr shows nothing as well
03:12 <philippeqc> (quite at loss here)
03:12 <philippeqc> ok
03:13 <z-man> Alternatively, is there a way to kill a whole process tree, i.e. a shell script and all the programs it has started?
03:14 <z-man> Cause if I kill a shell script that is just executing a long-running command, that long-running command isn't killed :(
03:15  * z-man goes to post this on the forum, it's probalby not IRC material
03:15 <philippeqc> kill -p doesnt send any signals. It simply returns the process id of the named process
03:16 <philippeqc> could that work as an alternative for jobs -p for you?
03:23 <z-man> -bash: kill: p: invalid signal specification
03:24 <z-man> that's what I get on "kill -p"
03:28 <philippeqc> yes I got the same here on mandriva
03:39 <philippeqc> I'm stuck back on the problem with tValue.{h,cpp} Base:
03:41 <philippeqc> I want to expand the classes to be able to return collections (in this instances std::set), and to support operations on them in the form of sub-class (union, intersection, difference)
03:43 <philippeqc> I wanted to expand all the classes, starting from Base, to support this. The way I did it was to have all the class be templates.
03:44 <z-man> Sorry, I haven't looked at tValue yet.
03:44 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft pointed out that if Base is a template, it is no longer possible to have easy pointers to it
03:45 <z-man> Yes, to do these tricks, you've got to have a fixed base class.
03:45 <z-man> You could write an adapter that does that:
03:45 <philippeqc> yes, but then how do I do the get set operation in a meaningfull way
03:45 <z-man> have a fixed class tValueWrapper
03:46 <z-man> derive from that a template class tValueWrapper
03:46 <z-man> err
03:46 <z-man> have a fixed class tIValueWrapper
03:46 <z-man> derive from that a template class tValueWrapper
03:46 <z-man> (note the added I)
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03:46 <z-man> tValueWrapper<T> wraps a pointer to a tValue<T>
03:46 <z-man> and manages it.
03:46 <z-man> Your code works with tIValueWrapper base pointers only
03:47  * z-man admins that he doesn't know the real code or problem or task, but he likes adaptors :)
03:47 <z-man> admits
03:48 <philippeqc> ok
03:49 <philippeqc> i feel it goes back to the "new" problem I have. Now tIValueWrapper should expose a method to get the collection/set. 
03:50 <philippeqc> and I dont know how to deal with the return type at this point.
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03:52 <z-man> Right, getting concrete types back from generic containers is a pain. You'd have to use some ugly dynamic_casting.
03:52 <z-man> And I mean the user of your classes has to do it.
03:53 <philippeqc> the class will use itself a lot.
03:54  * philippeqc googled about adaptor
03:56 <philippeqc> frankly, I'm not sure I get the finer points of your presented method past the "it hides the template in a sub-class"
04:28 <z-man> Sorry. I'll try to have a look at tValue and try to tell you more after rc2 is done.
04:28 <philippeqc> np, I have my nose deep into book atm, so I'll understand any advise you will give me. ;)
04:28 <philippeqc> rc2 is much more important
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07:06 <madmax|pt> hello
07:07 <n54> hi
07:22 <n54> been quiet here for about three hours *imagines everybody is busy busy busy* :) (I am)
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08:34 <wrtlprnft> #morning
08:34 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft! Random Fortune:  > Is there any hope for me? Am I just thick? Does anyone remember the || > Rubiks Cube, it was easier! || I found that the Rubiks cube and Linux are alike. Looks real confusing || until you read the right book. :-) || -- seen on c.o.l.misc, about the "Linux Learning Curve"
08:35 <n54> morning wrtlprnft
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09:05 <philippeqc> back
09:07 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: got your note from yesterday, but now I'm totally lost about the way to proceed
09:08 <z-man> Release process report: build went fine, compatibility testing proceeding
09:08 <philippeqc> good
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09:19 <philippeqc> hi wrtlprnft 
09:24 <philippeqc> oups, I confused the re-log bot
09:25 <philippeqc> I think my struggle is partially useless. I dont fully see how one could gain from/what it could mean to be mixing tValues with the collection I'm building. So Instead of trying to artificially merge both, I'll make them independant. And if the need arise at a later time, we will be able to find simple adaptors that will transform from one to the other.
09:58  * Lucifer_arma rubs eyes
09:58  * Lucifer_arma notices the t2 build is finished
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10:09  * Lucifer_arma yawns
10:13 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: uh, why don't you make it a set of tValues?
10:14  * philippeqc ponders
10:14 <wrtlprnft> that would be way easier i think
10:15 <philippeqc> union of 2 set of tValues should be arranged by the tValues's content, and not by the tValues themself
10:15 <wrtlprnft> if you think so ;)
10:16 <wrtlprnft> oops, scratch that last line
10:16 <philippeqc> I'm very dependant on the ability to do union, intersection, difference and other such operations.
10:16 <wrtlprnft> well, that's why you need to write some kind of wrapper
10:17 <wrtlprnft> it would take a function pointer to the function to use for comparing the values
10:18 <wrtlprnft> so you could use something like union(set1, set2, &tValue::Base::GetFloat);
10:18 <wrtlprnft> or with iterators, however you like it
10:18 <philippeqc> doesnt get the wrapper comment. N(ode)1 {5, 6, 7}, N2 {6, 7, 8, 9} then the tCol(N1, N2) should be able to return {6, 7}
10:18 <philippeqc> yes
10:19 <wrtlprnft> do whatever you think is best, I'm sure i'll like it once it's done :)
10:22 <philippeqc> set_union operates from 4 iterators. I still havent seen any similar algorithm that would allow me to do the union (method/funtion/object) you suggest
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't deque and the others have union and all these other things?
10:22 <philippeqc> your structure makes lots of sence, I'm really not contesting it.
10:23 <philippeqc> set has it, but it operates on the data stored in the set.
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> so you just need to provide the comparison function
10:23 <philippeqc> now I'd need to fool it to operate on the data hold inside the elements 
10:23  * Lucifer_arma thought it worked on a comparison function you provide
10:24  * Lucifer_arma could be mixing it up with python
10:24  * philippeqc kisses lucifer
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I have two iso images now
10:24  * Lucifer_arma kisses philippeqc 
10:24 <wrtlprnft> #whoisshe Lucifer_arma 
10:24 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: z-man is the girl for you!
10:24 <wrtlprnft> aww
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> haha
10:24 <wrtlprnft> stupid armabot 
10:24 <philippeqc> lol
10:24 -!- z-man is now known as z-man-in-drag
10:24 <wrtlprnft> http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/cplusplus17.html#l301
10:25 <wrtlprnft> look at the second prototype...
10:25 <philippeqc> yep, that is why i'm kissing lucifer
10:25  * Lucifer_arma clicks the link to find out why he was kissed
10:25 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok, i was thinking about it all the time :P
10:26  * wrtlprnft slaps wrtlprnft for not saying that earlier ;)
10:26 <philippeqc> set_union support working from a comparision function!!!
10:26  * philippeqc kisses wrtlprnft too. I got much loving to spread
10:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:26  * Lucifer_arma kisses his two iso images
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> I've been waiting for two days for these, now I don't know if I should try them or just look at them
10:27 -!- z-man-in-drag is now known as z-man
10:27 <philippeqc> been waiting for ~2 days to meet wrtlprnft so he could slap some sence into my cave-man brain.
10:27 <wrtlprnft> lol
10:27 <wrtlprnft> aww
10:27 <wrtlprnft> I can't change the topic :(
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> I better test in qemu first, I think
10:27 <wrtlprnft> /topic has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Love Is In The Air!
10:28 <n54> :o
10:28 <philippeqc> love is still in the air
10:29  * wrtlprnft kisses philippeqc for making maps possible
10:29 <philippeqc> talking about being a cave-man, I'm on my way out to grill some meat.
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> qemu: invalid option -- '--help'
10:29 <wrtlprnft> can't be that much of a cave-man brain
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, bushmeat
10:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: qemu -h
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> did y'all see that they think they found the origin of aids?
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> and it's in some chimps.
10:30 <philippeqc> I had a pair of glasses then. You know whay they say about people with glasses... makes 'em do the smarty things.
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> I can't help but wonder if the SIV they found turned into HIV when people ate the chimps
10:30 <wrtlprnft> someone had s** with chimps to get infected?
10:31 <philippeqc> heard the sex theory too, and I'm only counting non-urban legend references
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> bushmeat = apes for food
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> this was the Beeb, but they didn't speculate how the initial transmission happened, I just assumed the chimps were eaten
10:32 <philippeqc> was mentionning also how in polynesia, there is a disease that was spread from humans to humans.... becuase of cannibalism. Kids would come, poke around raw human brains and lick their fingers and get infected.
10:33 <philippeqc> and thus the disease transmitted itself.
10:34 <n54> yup same applies to dogs
10:34 <n54> so don't eat badly prepared dog brains ^^
10:35 <philippeqc> well, I'm off to tame a stack of burning coal with a few peice of blood filled muscle, and some veggies wrapt in luminum foil.
10:35 <n54> and monkeys have hade hiv/aids for ages
10:35 <n54> had*
10:35 <n54> enjoy :)
10:35 <philippeqc> I will now that I'm out of the mud
10:35  * n54 is off to get cancer-sticks soon
10:36 <philippeqc> see ya after mine bbq
10:36 <n54> oh mudwrestling too? you lucky pig ^_^
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, eating brains of nearly any animal is bad news, i think
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> tht's how anthrax gets passed, isn't it?
10:36 <n54> no anthrax is from soil, don't eat dirt ;)
10:38 <n54> and snow can give you worms (yes white snow, not yellow) :)
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> so you're safer to eat yellow snow?!?
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> mmm watersports
10:38 <n54> doubt it, guess it depends who made it (liek was it the local dog?) ^^
10:39 <n54> boogers are safe though, at least your own... XD
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> my wife says you can get tapeworm from your own boogers
10:40 <n54> lol
10:40 <n54> only if you already hae them :)
10:40 <n54> have*
10:40 <n54> although tapeworm usually lay their eggs in feces
10:40 <n54> tapeworms*
10:41 <n54> drinking your own urine is also ok, you wont get something you don't already have ^^
10:41 <n54> actually that's a survival tip
10:42 <n54> and of course it only works for a limited amount of time ^^
10:43  * n54 prefers a soda
10:44  * n54 thinks Lucifer is busy reading up on tapeworms and boogers :D
10:45 <n54> meh this reminds me of my x, she was told so much bs ny her father when she was little
10:45 <n54> by*
10:47  * Lucifer_arma is still waking up, so wondering around and doing stuff
10:47 <n54> modification to the thing about the healthiness of drinking urine; you could end up with sepsis after a while of course...
10:47 <n54> kidney failure etc.
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's a closed system anyway, when it's your own
10:48 <n54> yup
10:48 <n54> except for sweat
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> so as a survival tip it's probably only something that might give you another day, you relaly need water from outside
10:48 <n54> yup
10:48 <n54> it's an ultimate resort kind of thing
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok, two days thrown away: the boot kernel doesn't work
10:49 <wrtlprnft> :P
10:49 <n54> probably some stupid detail
10:49 <n54> was it any kind of "generic" boot kernel?
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> it might be an emulator problem
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> Unknown interrupt or fault at EIP somethingorother
10:50 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
10:50 <n54> ok, try without qemu?
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> have to reboot for that
10:50 <n54> ah ok
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, have to burn it first :)
10:51 <n54> :)
10:51  * Lucifer_arma looks for his blank CDs
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> better idea, I'll ask in the t2 channel
10:51  * n54 throws one to Luci frisbee-style
10:51 <n54> sorry about the gash on your forehead ^^
10:52 <n54> good idea
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> they check their builds in qemu too, it should work
10:58 <n54> ok
10:59  * n54 is trying to freshen up on MinGW *has forgotten whatever it was that I did the last time*
11:04 <n54> btw do you guys mostly use eclipse?
11:05  * Lucifer_arma doesn't use any big bloated ide
11:05 <n54> you use emacs? vim? kate? :)
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> kate
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'm insane.  I keep trying qemu to see if it works
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I'm going to waste some CDs on this and try booting on a real computer
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> but I think it'll be a waste of time, clearly I'm not thinking straight
11:08 <n54> hmm well if they use qemu and it doesn't work why waste a cd?
11:08 <n54> yup you're spinning right now - take a break then search the error message
11:10 <z-man> n54: emacs, mostly
11:10 <n54> meh I have to force myself up and out to get smokes *doesn't want to go (I'm beat) and doesn't want to not have smokes (the timer is ticking down)*
11:10 <z-man> eclipse occasionally, because I have a nice function stub generator plugin there
11:10 <wrtlprnft> gvim, only
11:10 <n54> ah ok z-man
11:10 <n54> and wrtlprnft
11:11 <n54> guess I'll just use notepad then ^"
11:11 <z-man> Release is ready to be grabbed from aabeta
11:11 <z-man> !^^^^^^!
11:11 <wrtlprnft> that means the SVN thing is starting now?
11:11 <z-man> n54: have you tried code::blocks? it's quite usable and lean
11:11 <z-man> wrtlprnft: no, that is starting precisely at the time it was announced
11:12 <n54> nope, I'm just curious reallt
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> how can it be lean when it's linked to wxWidgets?  ;)
11:12 <n54> really*
11:12 <z-man> Lean compared to Eclipse or VisualC8 :)
11:13 <n54> I thought you guys talked favourably of eclipse some time ago?
11:13  * z-man is really away now
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> I used to love wxWidgets, but I had to kill it
11:13 <z-man> yes, eclipse is neat, but reaally slow
11:13 <n54> ah
11:13  * Lucifer_arma doesn't recall ever favorably talking about any java-driven app
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, besides robocode, that is
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> robocode is awesome
11:13 <n54> and azureus ^^
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> yay, the t2 guy said to try to boot it on a real machine
11:19 <n54> heh ok :)
11:20  * n54 finally get's going -- bbl (not that long)
11:42 <n54> gets*
11:47 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron
11:47 <ghableska> hi
11:48 <n54> hi ghabby :)
11:48 <ghableska> hi n54
11:48 <ghableska> wretched weather here :(
11:49 <n54> where was here again? *n54 suffers from bad ram*
11:49 <ghableska> heh
11:49 <ghableska> iowa, US
11:49 <wrtlprnft> n54: maybe you just restarted (slept) since he last told you?
11:49 <n54> ah
11:49 <ghableska> :P
11:49 <wrtlprnft> so you need to store that information somewhere else
11:49 <wrtlprnft> bad weather here, too
11:49 <n54> hehe wrtlprnft :) (it's worse than that)
11:49 <wrtlprnft> #weather winnipeg
11:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Could not find weather information.
11:50 <wrtlprnft> #weather winnipeg, mb, ca
11:50 <n54> good weather here *sends it to you guys instead*
11:50 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
11:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "winnipeg, mb, ca".
11:50 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 70�F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Wind: S at 10 mph (16 km/h).
11:50 <wrtlprnft> #weather winnipeg, manitoba
11:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Could not find weather information.
11:50 <ghableska> "cloudy" is an understatement
11:50 <wrtlprnft> #weather winnipeg, canada
11:50 <n54> something must be burning - brb
11:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Could not find weather information.
11:50 <wrtlprnft> ...
11:50 <wrtlprnft> useless thing
11:50 <ghableska> #weather west des moines, IA
11:50 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not find weather information.
11:50 <ghableska> :O
11:52 <wrtlprnft> #help weasther
11:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "weasther".
11:52 <wrtlprnft> #help weather
11:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
11:52 <wrtlprnft> > US/Canada city, state
11:52 <wrtlprnft> #weather winnipeg, mb
11:53 <wrtlprnft> #weather winnipeg, manitoba
11:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "winnipeg, mb".
11:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Could not find weather information.
11:53 <ghableska> :P
11:53 <wrtlprnft> at least a different error...
11:59 <n54> #weather Oslo
11:59 <armabot> n54: Temperature: 53.4°F / 11.9°C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 29.73in / 1006.7hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 6.7mph / 10.8km/h | Updated: 6:53 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:53 � F. / 12 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 � F. / 5 � C.; Scattered Clouds. High:51 � F. / 11 � C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:44 � F. / 7 � C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 � F. / 14 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 � (1 more message)
12:00 <z-man> Rain here, too
12:00 <n54> so fkced up lol
12:00 <wrtlprnft> is there sun anywhere?
12:00 <n54> lots of sun here, that there must be Oslo, *some midwestern state*
12:01 <ghableska> heh
12:01 <n54> and must ahve been at least 20 C here today
12:05  * Lucifer_arma suggests n54 store important information such as wrtlprnft's whereabouts on his hard drive
12:05 <wrtlprnft> mental harddrive
12:06 <wrtlprnft> and we were talking about ghableska :P
12:06 <ghableska> ?
12:06 <n54> if I do it will only replace something iportant - lilke my name ^^
12:06 <n54> Iowa
12:06 <n54> Canada
12:06 <n54> yay! ^^
12:06 <ghableska> good job :)
12:07 <n54> :)
12:07 <wrtlprnft> hi there. my name is Winnipeg
12:07 <wrtlprnft> aww replaced my name
12:07 <wrtlprnft> hi there. my name is Oslo
12:07 <n54> ??
12:07 <n54> ah lol
12:07 <wrtlprnft> :P
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> why does Robin Williams always marry a tightwad?
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> woman's got not sense of humor
12:09  * Lucifer_arma is watching Mrs. Doubtfire
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> hi there, my name is Mrs. Doubtfire
12:09  * Lucifer_arma should've formatted his harddrive ext3
12:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:09 <wrtlprnft> reiser 4ever :P
12:10 <n54> :)
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> that was a very nice judge
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> why are fathers always the villains?
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> is that Pierce Brosnan?!?
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, it is!  Remington Steele in the flesh
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab, gonna smoke and then trash my computer.  will be back after all that
12:21 <wrtlprnft> uh, sure
12:21 <ghableska>  
12:21 <ghableska> mmhmm
12:21 <wrtlprnft>  
12:21 <ghableska>   .
12:21 <wrtlprnft> 
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12:22 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:22 <ghableska>                                
12:22 <wrtlprnft> <insert conversation here>
12:22  * ghableska searches for a conversation
12:24 <ghableska> finals next week :(
12:24 <wrtlprnft> not too long to them for me, either
12:25 <wrtlprnft> but they'll probably be a piece of cake
12:25 <wrtlprnft> ot a piece of pi
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12:29 <n54> best of luck on your finals both of you
12:29 <ghableska> thanks :)
12:29 <wrtlprnft> ty n54 
12:30  * n54 is so happy he's too old and stupid for that stuff ^^
12:30 <ghableska> :P
12:31 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5023874.stm
12:32 <n54> the earthquake?
12:32 <ghableska> yeah
12:32 <n54> sad stuff
12:33 <ghableska> that area seems very prone to earthquakes etc...
12:33 <n54> yes it is
12:33 <n54> there's a volcano waiting to explode in that neighbourhood too
12:34 <ghableska> didn't it go off after the quake?
12:34 <n54> it did? might have, if so i just missed it
12:34 <n54> *reads link*
12:34 <ghableska> "Experts were divided over whether the quake would affect Merapi, but there are reports of heightened activity at the volcano. There was an eruption soon after the quake which sent debris some 3.5km (2 miles) down its western side."
12:35 <n54> ah ok only a small one
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12:40 <n54> they're expecting worse from that volcano :S
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13:19 <Lucifer_arma> why do distributions insist on putting their bootloaders in MBR?  I want this bootloader on the partition, I've got a bootloader on MBR I want to keep there
13:20 <n54> well lilo let's you put it on a floppy instead iirc, might be such features in others too
13:20 <n54> lets* (god where did I pick up those annoying typos?)
13:22 <Lucifer_arma> I put my kubuntu bootloader (which let me) in the place I wanted with no problem.  It's grub.
13:22 <n54> good, but what is t2 using then if not grub or lilo?
13:22 <Lucifer_arma> see, I've got this bootloader in my MBR that dynamically detects what's installed.  more importantly, it lets me boot from cdrom if I want
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13:23 <n54> without changing the bios? in reltion to cd that is
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's got both grub and lilo, but the only option in the installer is to put it in the MBR, and it doesn't ahve an option to give me a grub shell
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> yes, without changing the bios.  :)  It's beautiful.
13:23 <n54> huh strange
13:23 <n54> cool :)
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if I install windows, it'll overwrite, windows is very rude that way
13:24 <n54> yeah but you wouldn't want to do that (or actually you could back up the mbr first then overwrite with that later and just add whatever neccessary)
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> so now I'm back early because I need to go learn how to do this myself.  Probably need to chroot into the t2 partition and run grub from there
13:24 <n54> hmh
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it would be install windows, then use kubuntu to restore a kubuntu-friendly MBR (which will pick up windows in the process), boot back into kubuntu to install the bootloader I want
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> whose name I can't remember
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's like ABM or something like that
13:25 <n54> you could copy the mbr directly afaik, grub probably manages to do it by itself even
13:25 <n54> oh the nifty one wasn't grub?
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's something else.  :)
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll look in my package manager sometime and find it for you
13:26 <n54> tell me when you remember - sounds interesting :)
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> but right now, gotta get t2 booting without losing Kubuntu
13:26 <n54> yup
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> but the image worked!  :)
13:26 <n54> it isn't a livecd btw?
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> must be my qemu is too old
13:26 <n54> ?h
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, I burned the installation cd, but there is a livecd target I could've built
13:26 <n54> ok
13:27 <n54> rude install cd, wonder why they made it that way
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> most are like that these days, I think.
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> the catch is, this one doesn't pick up other operating systems, it only knows about t2
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> or I would've gone ahead and installed it and fixed the bootloader later
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> but I can't have my kubuntu partition unavailable right now :)
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> but I went ahead and did all the other configuration stuff, so I should just need to install it
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> alright, let's see if this works, bbiab
13:39 <n54> huh that sounds like some serious deficiencies right there (sorry I'm to and fro cause of starting dinner)
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13:57 <wrtlprnft> worked?
13:57 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
13:58 <wrtlprnft> uh, short visit
14:00 <philippeqc> vegetables where grilled, meat was exposed to flames, stomack where filled, wine was drank, t'was a good bbq.
14:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:04 <philippeqc> now I'll merry skip away through that hellish peice of code, and hopefully be done within the season with this "simple improvement"
14:04 <wrtlprnft> :S
14:04  * wrtlprnft glances at his todo list
14:05  * wrtlprnft quickly looks away again
14:06  * philippeqc shames in front of of mine.... creeping under the table.... I think I must have made the biggest promises, and delivered the leaseast results. I now understand z-man wisdom of keeping it quiet.
14:06 <wrtlprnft> heh. We have your maps, so...
14:07 <wrtlprnft> look at CT fortress and the race server to see that people like it :)
14:07 <philippeqc> well, heummm, yeah, but if you make the mistake of reading any of the stuff I posted in the first few months... o my.
14:07  * wrtlprnft searches for all posts by philippeqc 
14:07 <philippeqc> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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14:08  * philippeqc performs a IRC hara-kiri
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> the thing boots, hurray
14:08 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> but X is stuck in 640x480
14:09 <wrtlprnft> missing drivers?
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> now I have 3 bootloaders on my hard drive
14:09 <philippeqc> congrat
14:09 <philippeqc> congrats
14:09 <wrtlprnft> or xorg.cfg is messed up
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> don't know if it's missing drivers, but it's got no network
14:09 <n54> congrats luci :) philippeqc & wrtlprnft we've all probably been there and done that so don't worry too much about it - it's perfectly human :)
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> they just realize they're irresistably attracted to each other?
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> I hate it when that happens.
14:10 <n54> lol :D
14:10  * n54 lvoes it when that happens
14:10 <n54> loves*
14:10  * n54 runs back to the kitchen
14:11 <philippeqc> Luci, you'll always be the long haired texan of my heart!
14:11 <z-man> please tell me it's not me who is going crazy here: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=49741#49741
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> Smart Boot Manager, it's called
14:12 <wrtlprnft> z-man: I'd love to, but i have no clue about those details
14:13 <wrtlprnft> but yes, i can already checout that empty repository and load into kdesvn
14:14 <Lucifer_arma> looks like Luke's keeping his head on just as straight as normal
14:15  * Lucifer_arma wonders if his battery-powered drill is enough to get through the man's thick skull
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> "Luke, there's a safe about to fall on you!"
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> *bunch of stuff about how unlikely that is ever to happen*
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> *thunk*
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> "I tried to warn you"
14:15 <wrtlprnft> who would you keep away from whose kids now? ;)
14:15 <wrtlprnft> #last --with kids --with wrtlprnft --from Luke-Jr 
14:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:53:08] * Luke-Jr mental note not to let wrtlprnft around his kids
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> ?  My daughter's got Luke beat for self-righteousness
14:16  * wrtlprnft goes back to spy on philippeqc 
14:17 <philippeqc> darn, I was SO happy you forgot that for a sec
14:17 <wrtlprnft> :P
14:18 <wrtlprnft> just learning about g-r-i-d
14:18 <philippeqc> my gf found my copy of the movie "Krull"
14:18 <wrtlprnft> > * Sorry, I couldnt write g-r-i-d (no -), the forum replace it with grid.
14:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that sounds reasonable ;)
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> Krull rules!
14:20 <philippeqc> she asked me "was it good", I ansered my hand at table height. "Was it that bad"? "No no, I was that tall when I saw the movie. so about 8. It involves a 5 branched boomerang that has blades. It kicked ass for a 8 year old"
14:20 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: lol: there was an automatic translation at the time on the forum, to change grid to something else. Of course now it just sound silly.
14:21 <philippeqc> Krull: Well, I have it on dvd, and the plastic was still around it. This way I knew I could revisit my memories.
14:21 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah, i guessed that. "grind" maybe?
14:21 <philippeqc> arena
14:21 <wrtlprnft> ah
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> can you rip it where I can download it?  I love that movie!
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> and I was a bit bigger than 8 the last time I saw it :)
14:22 <philippeqc> ok, any tips of a good linux tool for the job.
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> mencoder :)
14:23 <philippeqc> ok
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> there's a wolf on my shirt and I'm making it bark at my 2-year old :)
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> I stuck my hand behind it so it could have jaws and he ran and hid
14:23 <philippeqc> I guessed the explaination.
14:25 <philippeqc> but it was still a good idea
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: I posted for you.  :)  I don't care terribly how the thing is structured, but I really don't want to move away from trunk/branch
14:26  * Lucifer_arma wonders how he's going to get his X.org setup right on the other partition
14:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, copy your xorg.conf?
14:26  * Lucifer_arma wonders if, in fact, there's any reason he can't just copy the one from his Kubuntu partition over
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> it is setup for the nvidia binary driver, though.  Maybe I should download that and install it over there
14:28 <z-man> gaa, why must the edit and quote button be so close together?
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> haha
14:28 <z-man> ty, Lucifer_arma 
14:28 <z-man> It's the second time already.
14:28 <z-man> Probably punishment for quoting myself :)
14:30 <philippeqc> as long as you dont refer to yourself in the thrid person, I think your still safe
14:30  * z-man never does that.
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> aha!  It *did* write a new xorg.conf.new, but it put it in the root
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> now, how do I find out if it installed ndiswrapper...
14:31  * Lucifer_arma thinks it's the modular x.org that's over there
14:31 <z-man> All I actually was aiming at with the subversion thing is that Luke is trying to change the plan *completely* half a day before it gets executed.
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's an old tactic, really.  "Here's the plan"  "Make it so"  "Oh shit, have to change the plan"  *doesn't notice*
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's the reason our own government is so bloated with contractors.  They bid the project at like 1 million dollars or something to get congressional approval,
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> the scope creep the hell out of it.
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's how a $15 million bomber turns into a $150 million bomber
14:33  * Lucifer_arma has always negotiated contracts with a "this estimate is a guaranteed maximum"
14:34 <z-man> Smart, probably.
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> pays the bills.  Of course, while I say it's a guaranteed maximum, I don't say that I already know ahead of time that I'll reach that maximum.
14:35 <z-man> :)
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> You ask someone to budget for your expenses, then you should take the entire budgeted amount, right?  :)
14:39 <z-man> #later Luke-Jr Please read the subversion thread on the forum before starting the conversion. http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=50011#50011
14:39 <z-man> #later tell Luke-Jr Please read the subversion thread on the forum before starting the conversion. http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=50011#50011
14:39 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
14:39 <z-man> Don't want him to pull the "ooh, sorry, i didn't notice that" card.
14:46 <n54> has anyone tried compiling armagetron on windows using mingw & msys?
14:46 <z-man> Plain mingw, no.
14:46 <n54> you've done it the cygwin way?
14:46 <z-man> But the code::blocks thing uses mingw
14:46 <n54> ok
14:47 <z-man> I don't know about msys, though. code::blocks is a complete installation ready to rock.
14:47 <n54> sounds nice *checks it out*
14:47 <z-man> really for dummies who don't care how their program gets built :)
14:47  * n54 just got a level 1 deja vu - hard, presise & exact
14:48 <n54> ok
14:48 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i can't find any "bad" posts :P
14:48 <wrtlprnft> all sounds reasonable
14:49 <philippeqc> check the date.
14:49 <wrtlprnft> july 2004?
14:50 <philippeqc> yes
14:51  * wrtlprnft still doesn't get what's wrong with that
14:51 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1363&highlight=
14:51 <wrtlprnft> > Everybody is happy under Philippe's fascist dictatorship!
14:51 <n54> ??? who said that
14:51 <wrtlprnft> n54: look at the link ;)
14:51 <philippeqc> Dictator philippeqc!
14:51 <wrtlprnft> he was just kidding though, i guess
14:52 <n54> meh says it doesn't exist
14:52 <philippeqc> Dictator Phlippe never kids
14:53 <philippeqc> and n54 will have an infortunate encounter in a dark alley
14:53 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you must have skipped over the "world" stuff
14:53 <wrtlprnft> world?
14:53 <n54> yes? who's the victim?
14:54 <n54> hmm btw I don't have any dark alleys in my flat so never mind ^^
14:54 <philippeqc> I'd be a bad dictator, I cant even make half convincing threaths
14:55 <n54> sorry :)
14:55 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=14069#14069 <-- that?
14:55 <wrtlprnft> anyways, that beats most of Lucifer_arma's posts i've ever seen
14:56 <philippeqc> beats! how?
14:56 <n54> lenght?
14:56 <wrtlprnft> in lenght, i mean
14:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
14:56 <wrtlprnft> same spelling error
14:56 <wrtlprnft> length
14:57 <n54> oops
14:57 <philippeqc> lol
14:57 <n54> that one I have trouble writing correctly for real
14:59 <wrtlprnft> why wulod you eevn btoehr to crae aoubt cacrheatr oredr?
15:00 <philippeqc> ebuaces ti noly  rwoks fi ti si a evry olcla uhsfelf 
15:01 <wrtlprnft> because it only works if it is a very what?
15:02 <philippeqc> local shuffle
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> the first and last letters have to be the smae
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> if tehy're not, tehn waht you wotre is too hrad to raed
15:03 <philippeqc> naa, read again my attempt.
15:03 <philippeqc> o ok
15:03 <wrtlprnft> you need to keep the frsit and lsat lteter itncat
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> itncat?
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> oh, intact
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> in tact
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> hm
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> so did you enjoy reading my little book there, wrtlprnft /
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> ?
15:04 <philippeqc> shuffle of 2 or 3 space away too is the part I remember
15:04 <wrtlprnft> you mean the money thing?
15:04 <wrtlprnft> yes
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, the limit of that function is 0.  The independent variable is the group number, the dependent variable is the number of people willing to give us money.
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> so as you raise the group number, the number of people willing to give us money approaches 0.
15:12 <wrtlprnft> i thought the average amount of money per person
15:13 <wrtlprnft> although i think of our <20 devs there will be a few people willing to spend money
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, limit is the value the function approaches at a certain point, but the point doesn't have to be in the domain of the function.
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> if a developer puts money into the project, did he give us money?  :)
15:13 <wrtlprnft> if you compare that to the 500 or so group 0 guys, probably the percentage is smaller
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> much smaller.  In fact, let's say the percentage in group 0 is 50, the percentage in group 1 will be something like 5.  The dropoff is something that big.
15:14 <wrtlprnft> if i was to buy a copy of the artwork CD i would give the rest of the devs money
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> further dropoff is smaller, though.  Group 3 might have 4 percent, and group 4 has 3 percent, but the biggest drop will be group 1->2
15:15 <wrtlprnft> ooh. i thought it would be an exonential function from the first 2 numbers
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, you'd put it into the pool.  I didn't mention in the post (forgot to, really), but I think it's reasonable to distribute the pool of money directly to developers
15:16 <wrtlprnft> 50% * -10^x
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> the function is probably something like -ln x
15:16 <wrtlprnft> uh
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, might need a vertical shift there
15:16 <wrtlprnft> #g - ( ln(1) )
15:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: -ln(1) = 0
15:16 <wrtlprnft> #g - ( ln(2) )
15:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: -ln(2) = -0.693147181
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> how about |1/x|
15:17 <wrtlprnft> must be exponential to have a limit of 0
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> ?  no it doesn't
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> the limit can exist while the value at that point doesn't
15:17 <wrtlprnft> well, im mean, not logarythmical
15:17 <wrtlprnft> 1/x is not defined for x=0
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, f(x) = 0 is probably a horizontal asymptote
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> in that case, you're right, can't be logarithmic :)
15:18 <wrtlprnft> exponential is waaaay better for that :)
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> but |1/x| is possible, except that at x=1, f(x) = 1
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> which would mean there's only 1 person in group 1 that wants to give us money, which renders the whole discussion of no merit
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15:19 <wrtlprnft> well, you're the marketing guy, so knock yourself out :P
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> |1/(x-1)| is possible
15:19 <wrtlprnft> uh
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> and worthwhile.  :)  except that x=1 will be a vertical asymptote
15:20 <wrtlprnft> what about 50/(x+1)?
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> |1/(x-99/100)|
15:20 <n54> meh money
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> so at x=1, f(x)=25?
15:21 <wrtlprnft> that's why i proposed an exponential function first
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> -e^x :)
15:21 <wrtlprnft> 50*(.1)^x
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> you have to keep it in QI though
15:21 <wrtlprnft> that would fit your (0,50) and (1,5)
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> and exponential is in QI and QII
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15:22 <wrtlprnft> but would fall too quickly after that
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> blah.  I don't think I'll worry too much about what it looks like on a graph unless we actually collect real data we can model :)
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> the point is, the most money available is probably in group 1, so that's who we should be worried about marketing to
15:23 <Lucifer_arma> provided that group 1 is of sufficient size, of course.  Which may not be the case.
15:24 <wrtlprnft> not another doublebind related question :(
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> examples of doublebinding:  |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
15:24 <n54> just don't treat _any_ group as cashcows, it will butn and fast
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> haha
15:24 <n54> burn*
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, n54.  That's the trick with marketing.  Treat your audience as real people, not consumers or banks or any of that.
15:25 <wrtlprnft> example of drunk driving: _/\|/\__/
15:25 <n54> so how about discussing what we can offer rather than what we can get? ;)
15:25 <wrtlprnft> aww made a mistake
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, the discussion is supposed to be "what we can offer and who it's valuable to"
15:25 <wrtlprnft> example of drunk driving: _/\||/\__/
15:26 <n54> good (I might write something up for the forum but I'm exhausted and still have stuff I absolutely have to get done tomorrow :|)
15:26 <n54> /has at least one idea that hasn't been mentioned
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> I don't personally want to expend effort right now to try to put together a marketable product, instead I want to keep doing cool stuff for the game, and when a marketable product appears, market it :)
15:26 <n54> yeah I'm with you on that
15:27 <n54> it's just a certain fear I have that made me misinterpret some of what you said - no problem
15:27  * wrtlprnft still regrets giving Luke-Jr the idea of selling alpha builds of arma
15:27 <n54> alpha?
15:27 <wrtlprnft> probably revenge for the rGradient thing
15:27 <wrtlprnft> alpha/dev/unstable/whatever
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> come on, man.  You could sell swamp land in florida to Luke-Jr.  I couldn't.  That's a unique gift you've got, wrtlprnft 
15:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
15:28 <n54> you don't like swamps? :o
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> of course I do, that's why I always forget to turn off my sprinkler....
15:28 <n54> :)
15:29 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: interested in two square kilometers of land on the sun? You could make a fortune by placing solar panels on it... come on, just $1,000,000!
15:29 <n54> with enough money to build the kind of structure I would want I would have no problem buying a huge swath of swamp :)
15:29 <n54> and I'd leave the wildlife alone too :)
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> just make sure it doesn't sink into the swamp
15:29 <n54> :)
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> I cut down trees, I eat my lunch, I go to the lavat'ry
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> On wednesdays I go shopping, and have buttered scones with tea
15:30  * n54 thinks scones are overrated
15:31  * Lucifer_arma used to know the Lumberjack Song on guitar and is wondering if he still remembers it
15:31  * wrtlprnft somehow likes the interface of cervisia more than he likes kdesvn... :(
15:31  * Lucifer_arma blames z-man for putting that song in his head
15:34 <n54> :)
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> "What do I have to do, to get into your head?"
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> "We'll be having this same argument, when we're both dead!"
15:37  * n54 tunes in to somafm
15:38  * n54 only lacks a thunderstorm right now ^"
15:38 <n54> ^^
15:41  * Lucifer_arma plays his bass
15:43  * Lucifer_arma uses a pick when he plays grindspeeddeathshitcore
15:44  * Lucifer_arma just realized the house is empty, rock on!
15:45  * n54 is in mellowyellowjahjahjimmyzone with flowers of electronic sound
15:45  * Lucifer_arma has enough amplification to rock the whole cul-de-sac
15:45 <n54> what happened to the wife and kids?
15:45 <n54> oh it's daytime in your part of the world
15:48 <Lucifer_arma> only problem is, all that amplification is for my guitar, for my bass I just have this cheesy little crate
15:48 <Lucifer_arma> family went swimming, I'm all alone :)
15:48 <n54> :)
15:49 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should plugin my guitar, I want to rock loudly right now
15:49 <Lucifer_arma> but I want to play my bass.
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I'm supposed to be finishing getting the t2 system going so I can write my article
15:51 <n54> it has to be done fast?
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15:53 <Lucifer_arma> not really.  :)
15:53 <n54> :)
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> considering how little stamina I have since I'm sooo out of practice, it shouldn't be a problem to make the divergence :)
15:54 <n54> I enjoy the german posts on the forum, cool to have a multilingual community
15:54 <n54> :)
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> I can't remember how the fortress walk goes!  This is disaster!
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15:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/fortresswalk.ogg  :)
15:59  * n54 will check that out another day :)
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> come on man, it's not grinddeathkillmurdercore!
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's regular texas rock :)
16:04 <n54> sorry I'm too far away in my own musical world to come back today :)
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> see what I mean about stamina?  I'm played out.  :(
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> these are definitely *not* the days when I play Master of Puppets for a warmup
16:06 <n54> that song I like a lot
16:06 <n54> great lyrics
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> I liked it until I heard that idiot try to sing it
16:06 <n54> which one?
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm traumatized, and can only play it as a warmup
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> James Hetfield, of course
16:07 <n54> oh lol
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> when they did that gig with the symphony and he insisted that the song was meant to be *sung*
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> he was a better singer before he thought he coudl actually sing, I think
16:07 <n54> I'm happy to have escaped that
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> they did the Call of Ktulu with the symphony though, and he didn't screw that up, it was beautiful
16:08 <n54> ok
16:09  * n54 enjoys Lovecraft a lot btw
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> never read any.  My only exposure to lovecraft is Metallica, heh
16:10 <n54> it's not great writing but it resonnates with me, i have peculiar interpretations as to what his ultimate pointis though
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I haven't read any of his stuff, but I'd like to see a crazy cult develop from the chronicles of Amber
16:10 <n54> what's that?
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, series of books?  ;)
16:11  * n54 is not a dagonist btw ^^
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> Roger Zelazny.  The premise is that there's an ultimate real world and that everything else is just a shadow of it
16:11 <n54> 0ok, never heard of
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> even earth.  even Luke-Jr's world.
16:11 <n54> I've red some zelany but can't remember what, prob a few short stories
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> unfortunately, the real world is a monarchy.  ;P
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> the series deals with a succession crisis that kind of spills into stuff that threatens the underlying fabric of reality
16:12 <n54> nothing wrong with monarchies done right; removes the need for a president :)
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'd prefer the need to remove the president :)
16:12 <n54> did not compute that sentence
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> can't remove a king
16:13 <n54> if done right there is absolutely no need to :)
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> they even have a special name for people who remove the king
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> what's the overall percentage in history, past and present, of "monarchies done right"?
16:13 <n54> I don't care about statistics :)
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> right, don't bother *me* with the facts, I've got a good monarchy and by the Devil I'm gonna keep it!
16:14 <n54> sorry you lost me again
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> "right, don't bother *me* with the facts, I've got a good monarchy and by the Devil I'm gonna keep it!" - n54
16:14 <n54> ??
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> nvm
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna copy my xorg.new file and reboot
16:15 <n54> hope it works 
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> me too, bbiab
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16:28 <Lucifer_arma> yay, it worked, but no network, heh
16:29 <n54> :)
16:29 <n54> you obviously fixed that :)
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> reboot into Kubuntu is not a fix for that
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> had to come back to where I could read the handbook and find out how to manage packages so I can install the ndiswrapper package :)
16:32 <n54> :)
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not convinced that particular installation will replace my desktop though.  I think I should wait until they tag the stable release for that,
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> but since they don't release generic x86 binaries, I'll have to build my own.  Luckily, I know more about the build system and might be able to trim the 56-hour build time a bit
16:33 <n54> ok
16:35 <n54> ooh help I'm a bug has made a forum post :o that's rare
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> heh
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> not surprising he's pining for goshdarn, though
16:35 <n54> best name ever imo ^^
16:35 <n54> yeah
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> I thought about called my server armagoddammit
16:36 <n54> :)
16:38  * n54 finally got through all the forum posts... they bunch up quickly
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> where did it put my package?
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> I've got ndiswrapper built, but where is it?
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh fuck, I think it installed it on my kubuntu system
16:51 <wrtlprnft> just looking on 2020's ladle time proposal... that way he can count me out.
16:51 <wrtlprnft> there's no way I'll be playing tron at 2am
16:51 <n54> :)
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> I think I have a solution
16:52 <wrtlprnft> or, actually
16:53 <wrtlprnft> scratch that, joda screwed up
16:53 <wrtlprnft> 8PM GMT is 3PM CDT
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab--maybe
16:53 <n54> cya
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> unless I did install ndiswrapper in Kubuntu and trashed my old one :(
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16:55 <n54> heads: grab a soda and enjoy the music tail: go to bed, you've got stuff to do while it's daylight tomorrow
16:55 <n54> #coin
16:55 <armabot> n54: tails
16:55 <n54> bah
16:55 <n54> #coin
16:55 <armabot> n54: tails
16:55 <n54> hmpf
16:55 <n54> #coin
16:55 <armabot> n54: heads
16:55 <n54> ^^
16:55  * n54 goes to get that soda ^^
16:56 <wrtlprnft> #echo [coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin][coin]
16:56 <armabot> tails heads heads tails tails heads heads heads tails tails tails heads tails heads tails tails heads heads tails heads heads heads heads heads
16:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:56 <n54> :)
17:21 <guru3> haha i've been mean
17:21 <guru3> not been paying a lot of attention to the forums ><
17:26 <n54> how so?
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17:28 <wrtlprnft> g 3 tbsp margerine in g
17:28 <wrtlprnft> #g 3 tbsp margerine in g
17:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:28 <wrtlprnft> bah
17:28 <wrtlprnft> useless piece of crap ;)
17:29 <philippeqc> # 3 tbsp in g
17:29 <philippeqc> #g 3 tbsp in g
17:29 <armabot> philippeqc: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:29 <philippeqc> #g 3 tbsp in grams
17:29 <armabot> philippeqc: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:29 <philippeqc> #g 3 table spoon in grams
17:29 <armabot> philippeqc: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:30 <philippeqc> I agree
17:30 <n54> so... what exactly is the mass of margarine? and the volume of a tablespoon?
17:30 <philippeqc> what are you doing, a cake or chemistry?
17:31 <n54> and we need to introduce tnspt (tablespoon topped)
17:31 <n54> ask wrtlprnft not me :)
17:31 <n54> tbspt*
17:31 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:31 <wrtlprnft> i pbsp = 15ml
17:31 <n54> #g margarine mass
17:31 <armabot> n54: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:32 <wrtlprnft> 1 tbsp = 15ml
17:32 <n54> #google margarine mass
17:32 <armabot> n54: Search took 0.54 seconds: NELDA : Confectionery : Recipes: <http://www.nelda.lv/en/manuf_sweet_book.htm>; Good News: Butter is Better for you than Margarine ...: <http://www.practicalhippie.com/margarine.htm>; <AD HOC BIBLIO - INDEX SUJETS LETTRE M Compil? le 00/12/13: <http://res2.agr.ca/sthyacinthe/biblio/i/mid1m.htm>; Individual cholesterol variation in response to a margarine - or (3 more messages)
17:32 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 tbsp in ml
17:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 US tablespoon = 14.7867648 ml
17:32 <wrtlprnft> #google margerine density
17:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.89 seconds: ScienceDaily: Plant Sterol Margerine Useful In Cholesterol Management: <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/03/000308180142.htm>; ScienceDaily: McGill Researchers Identify New Way To Reduce ...: <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041217104703.htm>; Margerine - encyclopedia article about Margerine .: (3 more messages)
17:32 <wrtlprnft> you want the density, not mass ;)
17:32 <n54> yeah that's better
17:32 <philippeqc> lol, volume to mass convertion. yeah, that couldnt work
17:32 <n54> more
17:33 <n54> #more
17:33 <armabot> n54: ...: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11105179>; Margarine: <http://www.veganmania.com/pages/margarine.htm>; Triacylglycerol Analysis of Potential Margarine Base Stocks by ...: <http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jafcau/2001/49/i01/abs/jf0008801.html>; Term Papers on A Formula 1 Margarine Tub - Term Papers Lab: (2 more messages)
17:33 <wrtlprnft> #more
17:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: <http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Margerine>; Pottery Showroom - Margerine Keeper: <http://www.polishstoneware.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=119>; Cholesterol Discussion Board - Cholesterol in the Gut: <http://www.naturalpharmacy.com/herbal-discussion/showthread.php?threadid=698>; HOK:: Pretra?ivanje obrta: (2 more messages)
17:33 <spidey> lol?
17:34 <n54> yes lol :)
17:34  * n54 wonders if wrtlprnft will now dazzle us with a filled in equation answering his quest
17:34 <spidey> bakers wives?
17:34 <spidey> :p
17:34 <wrtlprnft> neither cake nor cemistry :P Just trying to find out how much margerine that noodle package wants me to add
17:34 <wrtlprnft> since I'm not gonne squeeze margerine into tablespoons
17:34 <guru3> hmm i sort of don't remember checking the forums the last day or two :/
17:34 <n54> yuck! noodles with margarine???
17:34  * n54 calls the guys in white coats
17:35 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:35 <wrtlprnft> m = V*D
17:35 <n54> that noodlepackage must be getting old by now, you were trying this stuff ages ago lol ^^
17:36 <n54> look do you have a kitchen scale wrtlprnft?
17:36 <wrtlprnft> looks like people here use margerine for everything germans would use butter for
17:36 <wrtlprnft> no i don't
17:37 <guru3> evil margerine >:(
17:37 <wrtlprnft> canadian households measure everything in cups and spoons and whatever
17:37 <guru3> woo cups :D
17:37 <n54> shame if you did you could weigh an empty spoon, then a filled spoon - done once and you'll forever know ^^
17:37 <wrtlprnft> hmm
17:37 <n54> (no I don't have one either) :)
17:39 <philippeqc> guys, I'm sorry, I'll have to tell you in a way you'll understand: strcmp("cooking", "chemistry") != 0
17:40 <philippeqc> ;)
17:40 <n54> I know a few chefs that would strongly disagree with you on that :)
17:41 <wrtlprnft> or i could take one of those what does that have to do with chemistry, anyways?
17:41 <wrtlprnft> if it is anything it's physics
17:41 <philippeqc> I'd be the first one. Browsed through a book "the chemistry of the cooking pot". 
17:41 <n54> yes it's physics too of course, any chemistry is :)
17:42 <wrtlprnft> #g 25*PI*5
17:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 25 * PI * 5 = 392.699082
17:43 <n54> 5pi?
17:43 <wrtlprnft> that's the volume of the margerine package in cm^3
17:43 <n54> what shape did you say it was? :o
17:43 <wrtlprnft> a cylinder, roughly
17:44 <wrtlprnft> it says it once contained 454 g of margerine
17:44 <philippeqc> last time I did some pie, I had to use a calculator. I had a form that was 2 inches longer in diameter than the receipy said. 
17:44 <wrtlprnft> that makes:
17:44 <n54> hehe
17:44 <n54> once but no more?
17:44 <wrtlprnft> #g .454/0.000392699082
17:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: .454 / 0.000392699082 = 1,156.10151
17:44 <wrtlprnft> 1,165 kg/m^3
17:44 <guru3> good night
17:45 <n54> cya guru3 :)
17:45 <wrtlprnft> so, back to the original question:
17:45 <wrtlprnft> #g .06*1,156.10151
17:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: .06 * 1,156.10151 = 69.3660906
17:45 <wrtlprnft> err, not quite
17:45 <n54> yeah that's definetly wrong
17:45 <philippeqc> yeah, its so much more convenient to deal in kg/m^3 (where do you show your margarin so that they deliver you a cubic meter)
17:46  * n54 never measures any indigrient
17:46 <wrtlprnft> or no, the answer does make sense i think. it's just in mg ;)
17:46 <wrtlprnft> 70 mg :)
17:46 <n54> hmm
17:46 <wrtlprnft> #g 70/250
17:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 70 / 250 = 0.28
17:48 <philippeqc> 70 mg of a 454 g container, thats ....
17:48 <n54> but why do you want to spoil noodles with margarine? or are you talking pasta?
17:48 <philippeqc> #g 70/454
17:48 <armabot> philippeqc: 70 / 454 = 0.154185022
17:48 <wrtlprnft> no, not mg
17:48 <wrtlprnft> g i mean
17:49 <philippeqc> 3/20 of the total volume of the container 
17:49 <wrtlprnft> uh, kraft dinner :P
17:49 <n54> ah ok
17:49 <n54> macaroni?
17:49 <wrtlprnft> 1
17:49 <philippeqc> yeah, i'd spend more time calculating how much margarin I'd need than actually eating it
17:50 <philippeqc> well, you just have to build a cardboard shape that is 1/20 of the margarin jar you have, and fill it 3 times and your ready to eat
17:51 <n54> lol
17:51 <wrtlprnft> ok, let's do that again in pounds and inches
17:51 <n54> rofl actually :)
17:51 <wrtlprnft> uh, that's exactly what i didn't want
17:51 <wrtlprnft> i could have just taken a tablespoon for that
17:52 <philippeqc> how will you put the margarin on a scale? i'd guess with a spoon?
17:52 <n54> I think my idea was the best really ^^
17:53 <wrtlprnft> but, i can take the margerine box and use a knife to divide it into 10ths like a pie and then take 1 and a half of those
17:53 <wrtlprnft> i don't have a scale here
17:53 <n54> why not make it 20 slices and take 3?
17:53 <wrtlprnft> it's easier to make 10 :P
17:53 <wrtlprnft> 20 would be a mess
17:53 <n54> well "easy" isn't the word most suited to this conversation ^^
17:53 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:53 <philippeqc> n54: you can spoil kraft dinner. It doesnt spoil. Maybe it fossilise, but not spoil.
17:54 <n54> never eaten it :)
17:54 <n54> brb
17:54 <wrtlprnft> why not take 3 containers of margerine and take a 20th out of each?
17:54 <n54> siure :)
17:57  * wrtlprnft wonders if he should put the important gathered information--the density of margerine--on wikipedia
17:57 <wrtlprnft> probably not accurate enough
17:58 <wrtlprnft> i would need to buy margerine from lots of different companies and take the average ;)
18:01 <philippeqc> at what temperature?
18:02 <wrtlprnft> 20�C
18:02 <philippeqc> give it a few year, and you'll be able to publish "a full survey of the density of margarin at relativistic speeds"
18:03 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:04 <philippeqc> and your kraft dinner will still wait for you, as good as ever
18:04 <n54> lol
18:05 <n54> if you did it really well you could receive a Noble award :)
18:05 <n54> you could also measure time-dilation on margerine
18:06 <philippeqc> doesnt it need to be a lifetime acheivement? No worries, your kraft dinner will wait for you to be ready.
18:06 <n54> and how about ablation rate of margarine in vacuum?
18:07 <philippeqc> your not going to ship margarine to space outside of its container are you, that'd be messy.
18:08 <n54> well you could do it in a vacuum chamber
18:09 <n54> perhaps it even has some highly useful but unanticipated properties? ^^
18:10 <philippeqc> every day, blunch of margarine fell accidentally inside vacuum chamber, and people could only stare at them, wondering how long they would take to ablate. But now, through wrtlprnft life time acheivement, we no longer have to sit and wonder. And this is why we award his the Nobel prize.
18:10 <n54> hehe
18:12 <n54> seems like wrtlprnft is busy already ^^
18:14 <philippeqc> well, enough margarine for today
18:14 <spidey> playing tron
18:14 <philippeqc> see you 2morrow
18:14 <n54> cya :)
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18:16 <n54> I should sleep too, cya all :)
18:35  * wrtlprnft ate hus kraft dinner quite a while ago and was playing arma
18:35 <wrtlprnft> night n54 
18:35 <wrtlprnft> *hi
18:35 <wrtlprnft> *his
18:39 <spidey> lol
18:53  * wrtlprnft silently hopes Lcfuier_amra doesn't read across this :P
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18:58 <ghableska> hello
18:58 <wrtlprnft> hello there
18:58 <wrtlprnft> or should i say
18:58 <wrtlprnft>                                    
18:58 <ghableska> :P
19:01 <ghableska> yay!
19:01 <ghableska> the sun came out :D
19:01 <wrtlprnft> it did here, too, but about two hours ago
19:01 <wrtlprnft> now it's setting :P
19:01 <ghableska> :
19:01 <ghableska> Oops
19:01 <ghableska> :)
19:23 <spidey> sd?
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19:34  * Lucifer_arma notes that if you install a t2 package while running the host system used to build it, the package gets installed into your host system
19:35  * Lucifer_arma notes further that t2 has a much newer version of ndiswrapper than kubuntu
19:42  * wrtlprnft wonders which version
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> 1.8
19:44 <wrtlprnft> gentoo has 1.15 :P
19:44 <wrtlprnft> but it considers 1.2 as stable
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm having a little trouble accepting that there's been 7 minor revisions since this Kubuntu disk was built
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, after reinstalling the kernel, ndiswrapper told me the tools were v1.8 and the driver was 1.1, and it wasn't working because of that
19:46 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> kubuntu doesn't just have a "reinstall the kernel" option, either.  I think I probably broke it somewhat seriously and haven't discovered how yet
19:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, get the kernel from kernel.org?
19:47 <wrtlprnft> that's what i do
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> what made that man think a carpenter's son would have the fanciest chalice available?
19:47  * Lucifer_arma doesn't like building his own, prefers the full-featured kernels distributors make
19:47  * Lucifer_arma is watching the third indiana jones movie
19:47 <wrtlprnft> o_O that kernel works just fine
19:48 <wrtlprnft> i just need the ipw2200 module
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> Indiana....let it go
19:52 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> first the girl falls, and indy holds her hand, she stretches for the grail, and falls, right?
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> Then indy does it too, with his dad trying to bring him back up.
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I named the dog Indiana.
19:54  * wrtlprnft is seriously confused now
19:58 <spidey> hmmm?
20:01 <Self_Destructo> Lucifer_arma: HAHAHA
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> You are named after a dog?  hahahahah
20:02 <spidey> sd
20:02 <spidey> we're introuble
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> saula is my favorite character in the whole wide world :)
20:02  * Lucifer_arma puts on his Indiana Jones hat
20:02 <spidey> Self_Destructo, http://www.microbuscity.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=89729#89729
20:04 <Self_Destructo> Lucifer_arma: no, I'm not
20:05 <Self_Destructo> spidey: so what, he has nothing to attack me for
20:05 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as IndianaJones
20:05 <IndianaJones> heh, someone else has this nick already
20:05 -!- IndianaJones is now known as Luci_Jones
20:05 <Self_Destructo> hehe
20:05 <Self_Destructo> onywaysie
20:05 <Self_Destructo> anywaysie*
20:06 -!- Luci_Jones is now known as Lucifer_arma
20:06 <Self_Destructo> why do you have _arma on your nick?
20:06 <Self_Destructo> someone already have Lucifer?
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, somebody had Lucifer already
20:07  * Lucifer_arma has considered changing his ingame name to match
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> well those t2 guys are just about worthless with this ndiswrapper business
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> "Just do it the way ndiswrapper's website says to do it"
20:08  * Lucifer_arma has been using ndiswrapper for over a year now, thinks he knows how to set it up.
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21:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, enough of you vanhayes?
21:06 <wrtlprnft> 3 users lol
21:07 <Apollo> hmm I think my connection made me loggin 3 times here
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21:33 <wrtlprnft> Nazurath and Vanhayes and Apollo are fighting their irc clients?
21:33 <Nazurath> ?
21:33 <Nazurath> hmm
21:34 <Nazurath> they are all me but my connection is acting weird and I had to log in a few times
21:35 <wrtlprnft> i know they're all you from the host names :P
21:36 -!- Apollo [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034184233.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:36 <wrtlprnft> http://www.aharef.info/static/htmlgraph/?url=http://wrtlprnft.de/flaggen.htm
21:39 <spidey> firefox is starting to piss me off
21:39 <spidey> j
21:40 <wrtlprnft> well that's a very big page that is analysed...
21:40 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, where'd all these people come from?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes, Apollo and Nazurath are all the same for some reason
21:43 <wrtlprnft> oh, gosh
21:43 <spidey> tyuy
21:43 <wrtlprnft> Microsoft: We do NOT need a Windows Media Photo format, no thanks
21:44 <spidey> ?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> that thing is supposed to do lossless and lossful (?) compression, but with 32bit color it's only supposed to do the latter
21:44 <wrtlprnft> such BS
21:44 <wrtlprnft> spidey: just read an article about it, unfortunately in german
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21:45 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-211-221-14.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit ["You're Unique... Just like everybody else. =P"]
21:46 -!- Self_Destructo is now known as SD|bbmonday
21:46 <SD|bbmonday> cya'll
21:46 <spidey> lol
21:47 <SD|bbmonday> ?
21:47 <spidey> vcra
21:47 <SD|bbmonday> ?
21:47 <spidey> cya*
21:47 <SD|bbmonday> what was funny?
21:47 <wrtlprnft> scya
21:47 <wrtlprnft> !
21:47 <spidey> 5222220 
21:47 <SD|bbmonday> wrtlprnft: you've been playing tron
21:47 <SD|bbmonday> bya
21:47 <wrtlprnft> SD|bbmonday: yes?
21:48 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179032.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
21:48  * wrtlprnft played tron many times in the past
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22:14 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:14 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: jpeg2000?
22:21 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: btw, reminder that experimental != alpha
22:31  * Lucifer_arma thinks Microsoft just doesn't like .png
22:35 <Luke-Jr> .png doesn't support lossy
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> you can do lossy pngs if you want, it goes both ways
23:17 <Luke-Jr> it does?
23:17 <Luke-Jr> never seen that
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> so, they'll help me build the distribution, but once it's built, nobody knows what to do
23:27 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-211-221-14.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab, I'll just build the damn module from source
23:27 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["Core dumped."]
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23:57  * Lucifer_arma grumbles

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