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Log from 2006-05-25:
--- Day changed Thu May 25 2006
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> no, no terry pratchett, sorry
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> but I just read the wikipedia page on vicente fox, and I gotta say I like the guy
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> I hope his successor will continue in the same vein as he, even if the particulars aren't identical, and doesn't just close up the work he did
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00:17 <n54> hmm ok I'll have to check that out later (still away)
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> alright, dug up lee's email address, we'll see if he bites on the rock article
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> if not, hmmm, Linux Journal was the other one that pays well.  I'll try them next, and if not them, then LWN.  After that, I guess no bites, that exhausts my contacts.
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> There is Dr. Dobbs, but they didn't buy my wxPython article, and they're programming, not general Linux.
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.tkb.org/Home.jsp
00:36 <n54> hmm there's tons of linux magazines around though, perhaps just google "linux magazine/magasine" and mail away? (still away hehe - one foot outside the door)
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> we'll see.  I just queried newsforge, I need to wait for them to say yay or nay
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> why don't font pickers have a browse button?  I want to load a font from my filesystem, not a system font.
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> brb
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00:52 <Lucifer_arma> haha
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> I should screenshot this, I've got armagetronad for my font now :)
01:43 <n54> I've read the wiki page on fox now, he has done more good stuff than I was aware of but I still harbour some doubts about him
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01:43 <n54> tkb.org looks interesting
01:43 <n54> good morning z-man :)
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's interesting.  There's a fork in ROCK's past, and it's possible the fork has vitality and the original is dying
01:52 <n54> huh
01:52 <n54> name or link?
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, I just closed the tab
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> the name is t2
01:55 <n54> np found it :) http://www.t2-project.org/
01:55 <n54> wow possibly hurd and obsd too
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04:19 <Lucifer_arma> I hate evasive answers to direct questions
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> if I wanted an evasive answer, I'd have asked an evasive question
04:23 <n54> ?
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> I asked "are you a cathedral or a bazaar?"
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh, we're too small to really be either"
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> !?!  Only if you have 1 developer and no visible userbase are you too small for that.
04:24 <n54> whoever probably didn't understand the quetion
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> no, he understood.  I'm leaving out the rest of the conversation for brevity.  I'll give you the possibility, but he seemed pretty familiar with the concepts.
04:25 <n54> huh strange reply then
04:25  * guru3 had the "prom" last night
04:25 <n54> :D
04:26 <guru3> it 'twere funky
04:26 <n54> )
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> funky
04:27 <guru3> stayed from 18:30 to 2am
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> tell it like it is, man
04:27 <guru3> didn't stay until the finnish at 3am :/
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> fire rages where I walk.  A mini-argument started up on #rocklinux, and now a mini-argument's starting up on #t2
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> can I get one started here?
04:29 <guru3> no
04:29 <guru3> be quiet
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> where's Luke-Jr when you need an argument to be fulfilled?
04:31 <n54> how come there's arguments? what do you ask? :)
04:32 <guru3> i've got ~200 picutres to fix red eye on
04:32 <n54> lol guru3
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, I wanted to know why ROCK only has 4 developers with commit access when that represents half of the permanent core team
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> and the two developers there started arguing
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> on t2 I asked if they'd take python code, and one guy said no, and another said "system is more important than the parts, python is allowed"
04:33 <n54> uh-oh you're a Distro Destroyer! X|
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> I am.
04:33 <n54> heh :)
04:33 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciKillsdistros
04:33 -!- LuciKillsdistros is now known as LuciKillsDistros
04:33 <LuciKillsDistros> for an encore, I'm a go join the #ubuntu channel
04:33 <n54> "Eats" :)
04:33 <n54> lol
04:33 -!- LuciKillsDistros is now known as LuciEatsDistros
04:34 <n54> :)
04:34 -!- LuciEatsDistros is now known as Lucifer_arma
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04:39 <Lucifer_arma> there's another thing.  I asked why they forked, and got an evasion
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> they're nice guys, but they're evading the stuff that seems to matter somewhere
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> rock's got kde 3.5 at least
04:50 <guru3> 224 pictures in total :(
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> there's a gimp fork that does what you want, I forget what it's called
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> but it'll do batch processing on pictures
04:56 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: ...
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> WHAT?!?!?!?
04:57 <Luke-Jr> goodnight :)
04:57 <Luke-Jr> Sat, some friends and I will be watching X-Men 1, 2 & 3 in sequence :)
04:59 <Luke-Jr> oh well, you're time's up to argue with me over that
04:59 <Luke-Jr> your*
04:59 <Luke-Jr> 'night
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
04:59 <Luke-Jr> =p
05:00 <Luke-Jr> PS: X-Men is actually anti-evolutionism if you discard the intro/extro crap
05:00 <Luke-Jr> bye
05:00 <n54> hehe cya Luke :)
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> ah, finally, direct answers.
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> Unfortunately I had to go to the guy who forked.  But he gave the direct answers.
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> very direct, very detailed.  Sweet.  :)
05:01 <n54> so why did they fork?
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> because rock's lead is a control freak.
05:01 <n54> define control freak
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> so he's not willing to extend trust to other developers, he has to carefully examine everything they do.  And he's very unforgiving of little things,
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> like typos.
05:02 <n54> :o
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> won't give reasons that are detailed enough to actually fix a patch you submitted, and requires everything go through submaster.
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> He wrote a paper and probably did some serious academic work on his submaster, and has the stodgy professor attitude towards it.
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> submaster looks like a really awesome tool for working with developers that aren't in the core, like third party extenders, or just people who've come in out of nowhere and want to submit patches.
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> but you still take patches on the forums, in email, or wherever they show up, review them, and then commit them if you like them.
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> so anyway, his attitudes and his need to control the svn trunk created a huge insurmountable bottleneck.
05:05 <n54> I see
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> So this other guy tried to change that and was flatly rejected.  His only option was to fork.
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png  <--- comparison of svn activity of the two projects since the fork
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> and now I see that people in rock are willing to help with all the little things but evade the big questions.  People in t2 are answering the big questions.
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> draw your own conclusion.  :)
05:06 <n54> :)
05:08  * Lucifer_arma is checking out t2 now
05:11 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: sounds like Linux
05:11 <Luke-Jr> Linus reads virtually everything committed
05:11 <Luke-Jr> but I'm going to bed... >.>
05:11 <n54> sleep well Luke
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to bed soon, too.  after I get the t2 build started.  who knows?  Maybe I'll be installing an os finally, soon.
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> old version?
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> what's current?
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> no shit?  how long ago was that?
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, this armagetron font is neat, but it's really hurting my eyes
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, this font's better
05:34 <n54> I've heard people speak nicely of the terminus font
05:34 <n54> for terminal use etc.
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I liked the old font I had, I just wnated to use the armagetronad font.  :)
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> so now I'm back to the old font, which I like just fine
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh boy, t2 builds with gcc 4.1.  Rock built with 4.0
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05:41 <n54> :)
05:43 <n54> yeah
05:45 <n54> :)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I have a card that lets me put 4 more hard drives in my server
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> some day I'll dig it out of the box it's in because I'll need it.  :)
05:58 <n54> an ide card? some day I'm going to make a fileserver and that's probably what I'll end up using :)
05:59  * n54 has lots of old hd's lying around
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's an ide card.  Nice card, Promise Technologies.  I got it because I was putting a 60GB hard drive on a motherboard that only saw 30GB of it.
06:00 <n54> ah
06:00 <n54> nice info - never thought of that but might get in the same situation soon
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> "The group believes the casualties in Iraq are a sign of God's anger at US tolerance of homosexuality."
06:06 <n54> ;_; ... but then again I believe god loves diversity so... *puts fingers in ears* "lalalalala" XD
06:07 <n54> that about sums up all my different emotions on that topic ;D
06:07 <n54> except the really ugly ones :|
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> that just strikes me as a really fanatic attitude.  People just love to hate each other, don't they?
06:09 <n54> yes some people couldn't survive without it, sad but true
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> "The Kansas church group, led by the Rev Fred Phelps, has been involved in picketing funerals, carrying placards with messages such as "God Hates Fags". "
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think God probably hates Kansas church groups.
06:10 <n54> yeah I've heard about it / read about a month ago or something like that :S
06:12 <n54> actually, however strange it sounds I don't think "he" hates anyone or anything, it probably knows every tiny detail of how they managed to become so warped and as such understands "them" (although there's no approval in that, just understanding and perhaps comfort, love etc.)
06:12 <n54> <- a certain amount of hippie flavour believe it or not XD
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> nah, he hates Norwegians too
06:12 <n54> lol :D
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> I don't care if God hates fags or what Kansas church groups think, it's downright rude to picket a funeral.
06:13 <n54> yup I'd beat them up - plain and simple
06:13 <n54> <-- the other side of me
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> no shit.  All grief-stricken, that could be my own brother!  (well, not really, but you get the idea)
06:14 <n54> absolutely
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'd wade through them laying hands all about.
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> arms, whatever.  That's stick-work, it is, and bloody business.
06:14 <n54> yes
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> won't be no kansas church group hating homosexuals left when I'm done, they come picketing my funeral.
06:16 <n54> the bad part is i'd probably not stop at beating them up so it's a good thing I'm nowhere close to them
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> My zombified corpse will rise up and eat their brains
06:16 <n54> :D
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> I hope they get a plague of locusts for hating fags, to tell you the truth.
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> Zappa has that song Jesus thinks you're a jerk :)
06:16 <n54> I hope they just stop
06:16 <n54> never heard that one but I like Zappa :)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> the article is about congress passing a law to stop them
06:16 <n54> good
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't stop the protests, it just makes them go out and be polite.  That kind of law shouldn't be passed, really.
06:16 <n54> hmm ok it doesn't ban harassing funerals?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> and it only applies to federal sites
06:16 <n54> with some hefty fines & jailtime too?
06:17 <n54> hmpf
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't ban harassing funerals, it just makes them do it from a distance.
06:17 <n54> *sigh*
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5015690.stm
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like the idea of telling people not to protest, to be honest, no matter how stupid the protestors are
06:17 <n54> I don't really want to read it, not right now at least :S too depressing
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm having a hard time getting mad at congress over it, more like the kansas church group that created the problem.
06:18 <n54> well they can do it somewhere more relevant, let mourning families alone I say (no matter who they are, military personal, average joe, or terrorists)
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> exactly!
06:18 <n54> yeah I can agree ont hat
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> we should sic PANTS on them
06:19 <n54> pants?
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> fortress player that lives in kansas :)
06:19  * n54 is wearing his pants
06:19 <n54> oh ok :)
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> PANTS|gaywad|  :)
06:19 <n54> what a name lol
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> he's cool.  I like him, anyway.
06:19 <n54> ok :)
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'll admit he's not the most popular player
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> and he's not homosexual either, he's just irritated with all the homophobia there is in arma lately
06:20 <n54> kansas... I wonder if they have signs when you leave kansas that say "somhow you know you're not in kansas any more..." ? ^^
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  No.  :(
06:20 <n54> yeah I can understand that, homophobia is annoying
06:21 <n54> :)
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh, he's got an instant chat "Quick!  Somebody!  Fuck me in my bottom!"
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's a fake teamchat, so it looks like a teamchat but everybody sees it.
06:22 <n54> lol
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> So I made my "I'm all over it!" chat, also a fake teamchat.  But he hasn't hit his since I made mine.  should be entertaining when the two finally line up.  :)
06:23 <n54> haha
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a "That was so heterosexual!" chat, where heterosexual is pink.  :)  I use it wherever people say "That ws gay", obviously.
06:24 <n54> :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> had a guy chasing me trying to kill me because he thought I was gay.
06:24 <n54> some people lack priorities in life :|
06:26 <n54> anyway I hope you core-dumped him ^^
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> I did.  a few times.  In fact, it finally ran him off the server.
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> what's IED?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> #acronym IED
06:29 <n54> improvised explosive device usually
06:29 <n54> manual-speak :)
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> ack, what an ass
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> the guy in the picture has two signs, one that says "God is your enemy" and one that says "Thank God for IEDs"
06:30 <n54> :(
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> he wouldn't think that if some fag came along and blew himself up in his church
06:30 <n54> yeah
06:33 <n54> what kind of amazes me is that while people are free to do stuff like that and other things some people still claim the US isn't a free society
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> s/God/Satan and let's see what happens
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> better yet, go out and march with a sign that says "God is dumb and so are you"
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's a free society if you're Protestant
06:36 <n54> ok so more average people see them as loons? although I have problems accepting that most protestants or whatever don't see the god-jerks as loons too
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't say that, and clearly congress is willing to take action against them
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> but if they had signs that said "You died because Satan hates you", there wouldn't have been a law, they would have been slaughtered by the funeral-goers
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> or had their houses firebombed or what-have-you
06:38 <n54> not so sure, it seems the same to me
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> government respecting rights is only part of having a free society
06:38 <n54> well I was thinking about the government levels though, because that's what people are usually referring to
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> when I tell people I don't believe in god, many get all scared.  If I tell people I'm a satanist, the reaction is quite different.  Not scared.  Hated, maybe, but not scared.
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> government looks the other way unless you make it an issue.
06:40 <n54> well you might not know it but a lot of people doing a lot of shit have called themselves satanists
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> I could go into a whole diatribe on it, having lived in this country all my life with most of it under no religion
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> my point is that people fear a lack of belief more than they fear devil-worshipping
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> atheists are lower than dirt around here
06:40 <n54> oh ok that didn't come across to me - sorry
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the diatribe will have to wait, I'm going to bed
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
06:41 <n54> cya :)
06:41  * Lucifer_arma is away: sleeping
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06:45 <philippeqc> hi
06:45 <n54> hi :)
06:47 <n54> you're doing ok?
06:55 <philippeqc> yes
06:56 <philippeqc> and you
06:56 <philippeqc> vacation day
06:56 <n54> yeah same here :) doing ok
06:57 <philippeqc> good to ear
07:00 <n54> :)
07:00 <philippeqc> I have finally a bit of time to waste on the project ;)
07:02 <n54> cool :)
07:02 <philippeqc> yes, but my brain is half fried from the abuses of yesterday's evening. 
07:03 <n54> party? :)
07:03 <philippeqc> if only.... played computer games till late in the night, a glass of wine in my hand... 
07:03 <n54> ah.. :)
07:03 <philippeqc> I sleep as good as if I went partying ;)
07:03 <philippeqc> slept
07:04 <n54> hehe :)
07:05 <philippeqc> yes
07:05 <philippeqc> and now I need to tackle subversion, a few new topics on the forum, and jump back into code 2 weeks old. 
07:05 <philippeqc> (yes I know I'm whining with my belly full ;) )
07:06 <n54> lol well it doesn't sound that tempting ;)
07:08 <philippeqc> humm, there might be wisdom in your answer. Should I give my mind a day off, or should I bend it to the task
07:09 <n54> don't listen to me, :)
07:11 <philippeqc> why shouldnt I? Often advices from people saying "dont listen to me" are much more valuable than that from people saying "You should do x"
07:13 <n54> true but well you decide :)
07:14 <philippeqc> I think I'll call the help of Mr Cafeine
07:15 <n54> :D
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> you should give your mind a day off, that would be best
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:19  * Lucifer_arma has a loose definition of sleep
07:20 <philippeqc> yeah, I know I probably should, but when I see all that you guys do on the forum... I feel I'm barely trailling behind.
07:20  * Lucifer_arma demonstrates reverse psychology :)
07:21 <philippeqc> 'ya didnt need that comment to elinst the guilt that was already gluing me to the screen
07:23 <n54> lol :)
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> rock, newsforge bit
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> both on the rock article and on the car computer :)
07:25  * Lucifer_arma dances the Dance of Joy
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> freelancing rules :)
07:25 <philippeqc> Perfect Strangers' dance of Joy?
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> mmm, more like the Wind of the Great Country's Dance of Time, but less deadly
07:26 <n54> congrats :)
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> but I could do the Perfect stranger's one, that's a good dance too :)
07:26 <philippeqc> Dont know that one... must have been too deadly to leave anyone to tell me about it.
07:26 <n54> looking forward to reading them
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, but you must read the belisarius series from the baen free library
07:26  * n54 only does James Brown inspired stuff
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> all's I need to write the rock article (which is now a t2 article) is a working installation
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> then build the car computer, and I can write the second article :)
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> collect a few hundred dollars and move on, right?
07:27 <n54> :)
07:27 <philippeqc> I should really introduce my gf to you lucifer... for book talking purpose
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> haha, ok.
07:29  * Lucifer_arma notices that two of the three participants in this conversation are marked 'away'.
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> we're probably both sleeping, too.
07:29 <n54> yeah I have a loose definition of away ;)
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:29 <n54> lol nah I'm not right now :)
07:29 <n54> but I'm not really here, not primarily so.. :)
07:30 <philippeqc> a sing you spend to much time on the computer is when you dream on IRC
07:30 <n54> :)
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> *sign
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> sure it's not when you start correcting other people's spelling?
07:30 <philippeqc> oups
07:30 <n54> anyone can be tempted to the dark side ;P
07:30 <philippeqc> naaa
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> what's libcss?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> is that a dvd library?
07:31 <n54> yes
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> :(
07:31 <philippeqc> (half pulling it off my ass) an extention for libxml to parse css?
07:31  * Lucifer_arma was hoping it was a css parser
07:32 <n54> you thought it was - ah yes you did :)
07:32 <philippeqc> libxtl I'd say
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> now I really think philippe needs a day off
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> * Internal error:  Failed to include file "libxtl.h"
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> is that a real library?
07:33 <philippeqc> my 7 year old neighbor is there with a friend to play on the computer
07:33 <philippeqc> I'll have to reboot to windows 
07:33 <philippeqc> see you later 
07:33 <n54> cya :)
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> "eXecutable Temporal Language"
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> later philippeqc 
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07:47 <wrtlprnft_> somehow my laptop started crashing every morning at exactly the time i open it
07:47 <n54> hum strange & hi :)
07:47 <wrtlprnft_> hi :)
07:48 <wrtlprnft_> Lucifer_arma changes distributions every day it seems
07:48 <n54> :)
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> apparently so, heh
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> this time I changed before I even finished building the last one
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> which makes it twice I changed before the last one ws finished building
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> next I'll change before this one even finishes downloading
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have my LFS system built by then :)
07:55  * Lucifer_arma monologues
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> but hey, I scored the article that justifies spending so much time on it
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> you kids just getting started in the world need to seriously consider freelancing.  don't buy that "work for one company and collect a pension" bullshit
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> JJ Jameson said it all when he said "Freelance, it's the best kind of work for a kid your age"
07:57  * Lucifer_arma is always a little high when he scores new work
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> think how annoying I'd be if I still did freelance writing all the time
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> I needed a break from all this mambo stuff anyway
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's been dragging me down
07:58 <n54> :)
07:58  * Lucifer_arma wishes he could dream up a way to get paid to code arma
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> download's done, the build has started
08:01  * Lucifer_arma needs a distribution-building cluster now
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> after I get this on my server and laptop, I'm gonna have to set it up for distcc
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14:17 <Luke-Jr> z-man: ping
14:18  * z-man is really away
14:18 <Luke-Jr> z-man: ping
14:18  * z-man hides behind towel
14:18 <Luke-Jr> z-man: ping
14:19 <z-man> persistent today, eh?
14:19 <z-man> what is it?
14:19 <Luke-Jr> so what's the timeframe for Svn?
14:19 <z-man> I posted about it :)
14:19 <z-man> If you want, we can still do it this weekend
14:19 <Luke-Jr> o
14:19 <Luke-Jr> when this weekend?
14:20 <z-man> your sunday?
14:20 <z-man> I have to fix belenus' bug and commit and merge it
14:20 <Luke-Jr> sounds ok
14:20 <z-man> can't make it clean in a hurry
14:20 <Luke-Jr> should get those rearrangement steps finalized ;)
14:21 <z-man> So, calculating the UTC time and warn everyone 48 hours ahead is your job :)
14:21 <Luke-Jr> hm ok
14:21 <z-man> err, on the forum?
14:21 <z-man> :)
14:22 <Luke-Jr> IN 48 HOURS OR WHEN Z-MAN IS READY (whichever is later), CVS IS DOWN
14:22 <Luke-Jr> hehe
14:22 <Luke-Jr> =p
14:22 <z-man> I will be ready by your sunday
14:22 <z-man> just pick a time that's convenient for you and fix it
14:23 <z-man> Of course, if the conversion is mostly automatic stuff that runs a while, doing it on a less busy weekday may be better.
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14:23 <z-man> I don't know how much of it all is automated.
14:23 <z-man> Your call.
14:23 <Luke-Jr> what's busy?
14:24 <z-man> I suspect there would regularly be more CVS commits on a sunday than on a monday.
14:24 <Luke-Jr> 3c is the only really automated step left
14:25 <Luke-Jr> honestly, Fri would be best for me
14:26 <z-man> But this friday is to early
14:26 <Luke-Jr> around 1a-3a
14:26 <z-man> Then make ot next friday?
14:26 <Luke-Jr> heh
14:26 <Luke-Jr> well, I have no clue what my schedule is for next week
14:27 <z-man> We promised to give a 48 hour warning, can't do it tomorrow.
14:27 <Luke-Jr> bla
14:27 <Luke-Jr> they don't need 48h
14:27 <Luke-Jr> they had like a week now already =p
14:28 <z-man> Well, I do
14:28 <Luke-Jr> aww, can't finish it today? =p
14:29 <z-man> No way, sorry
14:29 <Luke-Jr> o well
14:29 <z-man> Today is only two hours for me left :)
14:30 <Luke-Jr> so you going to be around Sun or do I need to figure out the weird CVS commit blocking codestuffs
14:30 <Luke-Jr> ?
14:30 <z-man> It's not weird :)
14:30 <Luke-Jr> If you say so
14:30 <z-man> I can give you write permissions to the file and tell you exactly what you need to commit to it.
14:30 <Luke-Jr> ok
14:31 <z-man> So you want to do it Sunday?
14:31 <Luke-Jr> ok
14:32 <Luke-Jr> depending on Mon's work schedule, I'll see if I can do it when people are sleeping
14:33 <z-man> Shouldn't you be sleeping then as well?
14:33 <Luke-Jr> depends on my work schedule ;)
14:34 <Luke-Jr> if I work Mon 10p-Tue 6a, likely I can be awake from Sun 10p-Mon 6a =p
14:34 <z-man> ok
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16:40  * n54 is wondering if he should fix box no.5
16:45 -!- n54 [n=n54@138.80-203-102.nextgentel.com] has quit ["I'll sleep on it :) cya all"]
16:51 <SuPeRTaRD> where does user.cfg go on winNT/2k ?
16:53 <SuPeRTaRD> hmm
17:03 <SuPeRTaRD> found it n/m
17:28 <SuPeRTaRD> woot! i'm back on the grids
17:29 <SuPeRTaRD> wish i could find my user variable tho   ://   thot i found it but nothing changed
17:42 <SuPeRTaRD> freaky
17:42 <SuPeRTaRD> i just looked at every user.cfg on this computer & none of them are the current one i'm using..
17:43  * SuPeRTaRD is lost
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19:49 <Self_Destructo> notes
19:49 <Self_Destructo> none for me :)
20:18 <wrtlprnft_> no edit on the wiki for almost 48 hours now... so quiet...
20:19 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> we need a constitution, heh
20:44  * Lucifer_arma is back.
20:48  * wrtlprnft notices
20:49  * wrtlprnft is scared by Luke-Jr having write rights to CVSROOT :P
21:03 <deja_vu> o.o
21:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah, ot
21:04 <wrtlprnft> *it is scary
21:05  * wrtlprnft needs to find out a way to better distinguish his backspace key from the return key
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I edited the wiki for you.  :)
21:08 <wrtlprnft> :D
21:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you need to learn a lot to become a good replacement for the spambots
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> I thought you didn't want spambots!
21:09 <wrtlprnft> :D
21:09 <wrtlprnft> what about contentbots?
21:10 <wrtlprnft> you know, bots that write really useful documentation all by themselves
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21:15 <wrtlprnft> looks like there's 7 different svn frontends for KDE... which one to choose?
21:15 <wrtlprnft> i took kdesvn for now, but I won't be able to see if it's any good till after the migrations
21:15 <wrtlprnft> -s
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> I use konsole :)
21:16 <wrtlprnft> i mean graphical ones
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> We could use a bot that takes doxygen api docs and posts them to the wiki.
21:17 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:17 <wrtlprnft> it would have to convert them to wiki format and upload all the images
21:18 <wrtlprnft> I think a link to http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/doxy/ is better
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21:21 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like reading doxy documentation that way, to be honest.  I like it integrated into the other documentation.
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I'll take it however we can get it, but I think it would be nice to have it in the wiki directly :)
22:00 <Self_Destructo> spidey: hey, just clicked the link to upgrade to level 6 hypherspace engine
22:00 <Self_Destructo> will take 4 days
22:00 <Self_Destructo> to research
22:01  * wrtlprnft notices parallels between that game and those tamagochi things
22:02 <wrtlprnft> you can't just leave them alone for a week
22:02 -!- Self_Destructo is now known as SD|away
22:02 <SD|away> well, i hope i don't have another hour overtime day tommorrow
22:02 <SD|away> cya'll
22:02 <wrtlprnft> night
22:02 <wrtlprnft> or whatever
22:02 <SD|away> wrtlprnft: I can leave this game alone for a week easily
22:03 <SD|away> haha
22:03 <SD|away> bye
22:03 <wrtlprnft> but a timespan of 4 days is a lot :P
22:03 <wrtlprnft> well, you could argue that armagetronad development is a big game as well
22:03 <wrtlprnft> even a simple discussion takes a month or so
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> does not
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> does too
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> does not
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> does too
22:05 <wrtlprnft> D:
22:06 <wrtlprnft> and then there's ocilloscope or whatever its name is...
22:06 <wrtlprnft> comes to every thread and tells you what you're discussing is just an useless gimmik and not worth it
22:07 <wrtlprnft> and then there's a post from him somewhere attacking me for making some suggestions
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> right, and when you tell him he's attacking people, "Don't hijack this thread!"
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, there is a reason I came to irc to talk development.  :)  seems like we're more productive when we talk development here than on the forums.
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, I think the game is improving at a respectable rate of speed, and getting good stuff to boot.  :)  There's a reason having a baby takes 9 months, you know.
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> Then it takes 18 years yadayada.
22:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah, true. But some of those discussions on the forums are just awful
22:15 <wrtlprnft> like the whole resource thing
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> that is true.  That's kinda why we have an Evil Triumvirate now.  :)
22:15 <wrtlprnft> well, then, go and make a decision on the resources
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's made, check the wiki :)
22:16 <wrtlprnft> like, format definitions on how resources are referring to each other and syntax stuff
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> what's left to be determined, anyway?  There are implementation details that are left for people doing the implementation...
22:17 <wrtlprnft> probably won't be me to implement it right now :(
22:17 <wrtlprnft> too many things in the queue
22:17 <wrtlprnft> "stack overflow"
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=48461#48461   <--- here, sorta
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there's no "yes, let's do it".  The state it's in right now is if someone just did it, the code wouldn't be reverted.  The tag name might change, but the code itself would stay.
22:19 <wrtlprnft> but the one who did it would be told how wrong he was for the rest of his life by Lucifer_arma 
22:19 <wrtlprnft> *by Luke-Jr 
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then I'll do it sometime, if nobody gets to it.  I'm like that big black ball in the Fifth Element, comments like that only make me stronger.  :)
22:20 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:21 <wrtlprnft> one of you two should really change his name for easier tab complition
22:21 <wrtlprnft> what about Arma_lucifer?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> or no, forget it
22:21 <wrtlprnft> armabot is in the way
22:21 <wrtlprnft> uh, Jr-Luke?
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #whoisshe Jr-Luke
22:22 <armabot> Jr-Luke: vircuser is the girl for you!
22:24 <wrtlprnft> #whoisshe Jr-Luke
22:24 <armabot> Jr-Luke: Luke-Jr is the girl for you! Wedding on Mon Nov 18 16:05:07 2002
22:24 <wrtlprnft> 2002?! stupid thing
22:24 <wrtlprnft> i want a date in the FUTURE, of course!
22:27 <wrtlprnft> anyways
22:27 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:27 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:07 <Ringwraith`> yay
23:07 <Ringwraith`> im getting more info now
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> on what?
23:33 <Ringwraith`> i got the latest cvs head and fixed the code so i iterate through the nServerInfo objects
23:33 <Ringwraith`> im getting more detailed info but still no playername info
23:33 <Ringwraith`> fix the code i was writing to get a serverlist
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