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Log from 2006-05-24:
--- Day changed Wed May 24 2006
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> beats me.  I'm still shocked he got out so good.  I know he has a 4.0 in him, but I didn't think he'd finish his first semester after amnesty with such a high one.
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> then again, I don't really know what his record was.
00:00 <GodTodd> true
00:01  * Lucifer_arma tells n54 that we're talking about my *older* brother
00:01 <GodTodd> what all math is in between college algebra and calc I?
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> at acc, there's trig and precalc
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's it
00:01 <GodTodd> probably the same at ccccd
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> trig is what you'd expect, precalc is functions, nothing but functions.
00:01 <GodTodd> cuz i have documented proof of as high as college algebra
00:02  * GodTodd does the 'don't gotta take no tests' dance.
00:02 <GodTodd> heh
00:02 <GodTodd> thing is....i took precal in high school
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I have documented proof of precal
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> but that was 12 years ago
00:02 <GodTodd> i know....i was in your class :P
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> ?  no you weren't
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> you sure?
00:03 <GodTodd> well...the high school one
00:03 <GodTodd> so like 13 years
00:03  * Lucifer_arma doesn't remember you being there
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> ok, who was the teacher?  :)
00:03 <GodTodd> i was up front...close to mr. kellar
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  Then maybe you were and I just don't remember, there wouldn't have been a lot of interaction
00:04 <GodTodd> nope
00:04  * Lucifer_arma sat in the back and flirted with Clay's girlfriend
00:04 <GodTodd> you sat in the 'mathmatician shrine' in the back
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> eh?  had to be a shrine of 1, Kris was always asking me for help
00:04 <GodTodd> nah...the posters he had on the wall
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> I'd go into the library in the morning and she'd ask me to teach her what we covered the day before, heh
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I don't remember posters
00:05 <GodTodd> i think that was the class where nick hockman pissed him off with the universal remote
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> weird, I was in that class for 2 years, but I only remember his desk and the overhead
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> *classroom
00:05 <GodTodd> lol
00:05 <GodTodd> that's focus, my friend :)
00:05 <GodTodd> heh
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I tell people now that I'm the Greatest Math Student There Ever Was
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I wrote a paper about Kellar for my comp I class
00:06 <GodTodd> kellar rocked
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> man, he was awesome
00:06 <GodTodd> him and mr martin were probably the two best they had
00:06 <GodTodd> i don't think kellar is there anymore
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> the guy I'm studying with right now is Really Good, but he's not the Greatest Math Teacher That Ever Lived
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> he ws still in that house in La Luz last summer
00:07 <GodTodd> hmmm...i'll have to recheck my sister's yearbook....i don't think he's at the HS anymore
00:07 <GodTodd> i know martin went to NMSU
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> when I was taking my calc final, I actually thought "I hope I don't blow this, Kellar will be pissed"
00:07 <GodTodd> sounds right :)
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> Martin got shit-canned for dropping acid with his daughter
00:08 <GodTodd> i think they were looking for good reason to fire him
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> crazy fuck
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, it's bad PR to have a short, curly-haired teacher that can beat ass on the whole football team
00:08 <GodTodd> lol true
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  he was awesome too :)
00:08 <GodTodd> i remember that time he was late because he was kicking two dudes' asses
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I ran into Terry Geiger back when I was at Ramona's, she did what she said she'd do, she was in the army.
00:09 <GodTodd> yeah...that's what i heard
00:09 <GodTodd> didn't she fall out of her desk once? i seem to remember that
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> probably.  She was still finishing up her stoner/gang-banging days, I think.
00:09 <GodTodd> i remember the weirdest shit tho
00:09 <GodTodd> yeah
00:10 <n54> lol sounds like your parts of the woods aint nothin but loons lol XD j/k
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> I ran into her a few days before graduation, she thanked me for believing in her!?!  Said I was the only one who supported her giving up all that crazy shit and going straight.
00:10  * n54 is back now
00:10 <GodTodd> sometimes i check out reunion.com just to see how many losers still live there ;)
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:10 <GodTodd> there's a lot of them
00:11 <GodTodd> heh
00:11 <n54> only teasing :) sounds great to me :)
00:11 <GodTodd> nah...it's a shithole
00:11 <GodTodd> :)
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, one of my strongest memories of high school is Terry in that typing class coming in one day and saying "I'm gonna quit this shit, Dave, you're going to help me"
00:11 <GodTodd> cool :)
00:11  * Lucifer_arma has a very short list of people he'd like to see from high school, she's on it.  :)
00:12 <GodTodd> yeah...she was cool
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> she had a handful, heh
00:12 <n54> the one that joined the army?
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:12 <GodTodd> any idea where she's stationed?
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> when I met her she was all decked out in leather and chains and stuff, running around with one of the el paso gangs
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> no idea where she's at.  She was at Fort Bliss when I ran into her at Ramona's, but that was 10 years ago
00:13 <GodTodd> ahhh
00:13 <GodTodd> holy shit....i'ma be in alamo this time next week :/
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> damn
00:13 <GodTodd> i know
00:14  * Lucifer_arma managed to avoid going down there this summer
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I might wind up in one of those companies competing for the X-cup
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> in which case I'll be going back to alamo once a year  :/
00:14 <GodTodd> i would have avoided it, 'cept for the new kid :/
00:14 <GodTodd> lol 
00:14  * GodTodd points and laughs.
00:14 <GodTodd> :)
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> the funny thing is, I think that would be awesome.  :)
00:15 <GodTodd> it would
00:15 <n54> :)
00:15 <GodTodd> tommy DID like the space hall
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> I can throw my middle finger up at that stinking town and win a prize or two and say "Nope, you disowned me, don't dare take credit for this, I'm not a hometown boy"
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> everyone likes that!  :)  It's an awesome place
00:15 <GodTodd> it is
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter comes up to me every couple of months and throws an attitude because I haven't taken her back there.
00:16 <GodTodd> i'm sure i'll have to hit it next week
00:16 <GodTodd> sick of white sands still tho
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  :)
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> white sands is a lot different with kids.  We had a great time out there.
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> I ran down a dune, jumped and landed, and buried my legs, right?
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> Then I started yelling "Oh shit, I'm trapped, help, help!"
00:16 <GodTodd> well...i did too...'cept i got tired ;)
00:16 <GodTodd> lol
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> and my kids, all 3 of them, came running over to dig me out :)
00:17 <n54> :)
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> then they grabbed my arms and pulled, it was awesome
00:17 <GodTodd> tommy's favorite part was going down on a snow disk
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> my kids never got the thing to work
00:18 <GodTodd> there is definitely a trick
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> I managed to get it going, then grabbed my youngest and the thing stopped, we were too heavy
00:18 <GodTodd> tommy had it going pretty well
00:18 <GodTodd> i check out the mall whenever i'm there
00:18 <GodTodd> haha
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> ack.  the discs are cool, but my kids were perfectly happy to just roll down the hard way
00:19 <GodTodd> yeah...he liked that too
00:19 <GodTodd> and throwing sand clods
00:19 <GodTodd> :D
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> we refused to go to the mall, even when my kids asked us to.  There are some things I just won't do.
00:20 <GodTodd> heh...just walk in....say 'there's KMart' then look at the other end 'there's JCPenney, there's nothing in between'....then you're done :)
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> haha
00:20 <GodTodd> hell...they don't even have the arcade anymore
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> we took them to Washington Park, they loved that place
00:21 <GodTodd> yah...washington park is nice
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> they were enchanted with the little theater thing
00:21 <GodTodd> i do go to hastings each time too....they have some cheap computer books sometimes
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> I don't blame them, I've always liked that place
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> I drove by the high school and said "Look, I went to school there"
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> we were headed somewheres else, though.
00:22 <GodTodd> they'd probably like riding the train in alameda park
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> they did.  :)
00:22 <GodTodd> tommy loved that
00:22 <GodTodd> :)
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> took all three of them.  :)
00:22 <GodTodd> yeah...i've been in the high school....my mom works there
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> my dad tried to talk me out of it, said they'd hate it.  Grrrrr.
00:22 <GodTodd> she had to pick something up
00:22 <GodTodd> lol
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> she does?  what does she do there?
00:23 <GodTodd> the's an aide in the special ed dept.
00:23 <GodTodd> she's
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> with aces, or the kids on the other end?
00:23 <GodTodd> they don't pay her dick
00:23 <GodTodd> the other end
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> they don't have dick!
00:24 <GodTodd> true true
00:24 <GodTodd> you know...their economy sucks there because those of us with a chance to really do something won't ever go back ;)
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> and that school is like the whole town, afaic.  kinda sad, but what the hell?  It's just a little town full of underworked underpaid depressed people.
00:24 <GodTodd> yep
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> they won't change.  that town hasn't changed a bit since I left, except maybe gotten a little more run down
00:25 <GodTodd> a little?
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> Remember New Horizons?  the computer store?
00:25 <GodTodd> yep
00:25 <GodTodd> hell...that's where my dad bought the Kaypro :)
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> I say "little" because I don't know how much of it is just by comparison, my subjective point of view is different now
00:25 <GodTodd> true
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, new horizons.  they went out of business, remember?  Sure, the guy wasn't all too honest...
00:26 <GodTodd> yep
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> but 30k people should support a computer store.  there are other towns that are just as small if not smaller than support 1 or more computer stores
00:26 <GodTodd> yep
00:26 <GodTodd> yucca news stand is gone too
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> they just won't change.  That's all there is to it.
00:26 <GodTodd> i noticed that last time
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet that place is more or less identical to what it was 50 years ago
00:27 <GodTodd> probably
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> nothing but corruption at all levels of government, and people that just want to bitch and moan
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> and retirees that think small towns are charming
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> you notice the retirees never leave their little neighborhoods off scenic, though
00:28 <GodTodd> sad thing is...if any of us 'kids' ever get well known...they'll try to ride our coattails
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> hell, that damn bypass.  have you seen it?
00:28 <GodTodd> yes
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> they were arguing about it when we were there
00:28 <GodTodd> it's pointless
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> I first heard about it in 7-8 grade or so, they were still arguing about it when we graduated
00:28 <GodTodd> yep
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> took 'em what, 7-8 years still to get it started?
00:28 <GodTodd> i mean...how much traffic can white sands have?
00:28 <GodTodd> ;)
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> then the first two companies that worked on it went bankrupt, or something like that.  Grafted
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> there's a lot of shipping that goes down white sands
00:29 <GodTodd> yeah...but....still....
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> stuff leaves El Paso (where it arrived by train) on trucks and goes through alamogordo before it touches the rest of New Mexico, except cruces and silver city, deming
00:30 <GodTodd> i think there are better ways they could have spent that money
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't.  that lifts the bottleneck on shipping that alamogordo was
00:31 <GodTodd> true
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think it'll bring in more money than otherwise
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> the thing is, the people running the businesses are just going to pocket it and fraud their taxes
00:31 <GodTodd> yep
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> so the city won't see much, if anything from it
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> and nobody will think there's a problem there.  "It ws fine for my parents, it's fine for me"
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> fuck that.
00:31 <GodTodd> that's ok...the city is run by people that are embezzling the money from their own businesses anyway
00:31  * Lucifer_arma mumbles about small town inbreds
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> at least I don't have the indignity of being a native of that place.  :)
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> just passing through, that's all I was
00:32 <GodTodd> yeah...there was NO way in HELL my kids were going to be raised there
00:32 <GodTodd> same here
00:32 <GodTodd> i got there at 8 :)
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> haha
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> I got there at 11 :)
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> left at 18, and my parents wondered why I wouldn't stay and go to NMSUA
00:33 <GodTodd> that would have been right about the time we met
00:33 <GodTodd> i left at 19
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> seventh grade, it was my first year.  we moved in the summer between 6 and 7
00:33 <GodTodd> said 'fuck it' and moved to AZ
00:33 <GodTodd> ahhhh
00:33 <GodTodd> k
00:33 <GodTodd> i remember it was when bon jovi was big
00:33 <GodTodd> heh
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> haha
00:33 <n54> lol
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> Shot through the heart, and you're to blame.  You give looove, a bad name!
00:34  * Lucifer_arma loves those old Bon Jovi songs
00:34 <n54> oh please no Lucifer lol
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> and I don't give a fuck what you inbred rednecks think about it!
00:34 <n54> I guess that would be me ^^
00:34 <GodTodd> heh...iirc you were on a 'livin' on a prayer' jag when i met you
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> probably.  :)
00:34 <GodTodd> heh...i have bon jovi on my rio
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> I was all into them back then
00:34 <GodTodd> :)
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> them and billy joel
00:35 <GodTodd> hey...billy rocks
00:35 <n54> yeah he's not bad
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he does alright :)
00:35 <GodTodd> he's a old fucker now....but he still rocks :)
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> when I was in seattle, Amy (Spot's ex, remember her?) and I had a version of For the Longest time worked up
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> she sang melody, I sang harmony/bass
00:36 <GodTodd> cool :)
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> since we only sang it in the car, we didn't work out any snapping/clapping for percussion
00:36 <GodTodd> course....i never would have gotten into king diamond if it hadn't been for you....
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> probably would have if they hadn't turned out to be such asshats
00:36  * GodTodd bows.
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> KING DIAMOND FUCKING RULES!
00:37 <GodTodd> shit yeah
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> he's good arma music, too :)
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> n54 doesn't like him, he hates Danes
00:37 <GodTodd> i got my king diamond cd's back last year :D :D
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  I went to opennap for them.  :)
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> ripped Don's collection, too.  You know, while I was there and all...
00:37 <GodTodd> i got them offa bittorrent too
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, ironically, a lot of my current mp3 collection is Don's collection, ripped
00:38 <GodTodd> heh
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  i told you Don married Amy, right?
00:38 <GodTodd> yeah
00:38 <n54> hehe I don't hate danes but... :)
00:38  * GodTodd eyes n54.  You better not. :)
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> n54: you like King Diamond?
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> it's a known fact that Norwegians and Danes don't get along
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> unless there's a swede around, anyway
00:39 <GodTodd> it's the whole viking think i think
00:39 <n54> we get along :) and I'm not that keen on KD but haven't heard that much either
00:39 <GodTodd> each one thinks their the original vikes
00:39 <n54> it's the swedes we "hate" :D
00:40 <n54> swedes are the butt of jokes both in norway and denmark :)
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> Why isn't there a Swedish Olympic team?
00:40 <GodTodd> Them and Conspiracy are awesome discs
00:40 <n54> there is...
00:40 <GodTodd> cuz they suck?
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> Because every Swede that can run, jump, or swim is already in Denmark.
00:40 <GodTodd> :D
00:40  * n54 saw that coming
00:40 <GodTodd> heh
00:40 <GodTodd> me too
00:41  * GodTodd has a decent amount of Dane in him.
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> do you have any Italian in you?
00:41 <GodTodd> I'ma mutt pretty much
00:41 <n54> as long as it isn't Grand Danois that's perfectly ok GodTodd ^^
00:41 <GodTodd> no and i don't want any either
00:41 <GodTodd> :P
00:42  * Lucifer_arma thinks GodTodd has great dane in him
00:42 <GodTodd> only on sundays ;)
00:42 <GodTodd> lol
00:43  * n54 would like to add that Grand Danois is a dog breed
00:43 <n54> big mfing dogs
00:43 <GodTodd> yep
00:43 <GodTodd> great danes
00:43 <n54> oh ok :)
00:43 <GodTodd> :)
00:44  * Lucifer_arma just made the grand danois/great dane connection while peeing
00:44 <GodTodd> oh...did i mention that climbin' the walls came in yesterday? :D
00:44 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50873DE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
00:44 <GodTodd> lol luci
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you did.
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> still waiting for mine
00:44 <GodTodd> :D
00:44  * Lucifer_arma politely greets z-man
00:44 <n54> morning z-man :)
00:44  * z-man grunts and nods
00:45 <z-man> too early in the morning for civilized conversation :)
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> so, why don't we build a armagetronad-dedicated linux distro and put it up on cafepress?
00:45  * n54 always imagines Luci wearing a ballgown and posing when he "greets politely" - sorry XD
00:45  * Lucifer_arma politely greets n54
00:46 <GodTodd> think it'd sell?
00:46 <GodTodd> or for free?
00:46 <n54> both?
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> not terribly well, no, but it might help to pay for some bandwidth or something
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> obviously the iso would be a free download off sourceforge
00:47 <n54> we need to make it sort of collectors items like obsd does, include stickers etc., get some good art going
00:47  * n54 would buy that just to support
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if we did the liveCD thing.  :)  The audience for the dedicated server is much smaller
00:48 <GodTodd> truly
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> but I can go for that for the liveCD.  I just made armagetronad packages for ROCK, I'll throw Crystal Rock on my other partition and test them
00:48 <n54> getting themes working might be helpful too
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> might well have a liveCD with arma on it in a bit
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> few days, anyway
00:48 <GodTodd> now THAT would be cool
00:49 <n54> because themes couold be prereleased on cd only, and free dl would ahve to wait a bit (that's what obsd does too)
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> that'd be something people would probably buy to support the project
00:49 <n54> could*
00:49 <GodTodd> exactly
00:50 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-212-171-217.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit ["You're Unique... Just like everybody else. =P"]
00:50 <GodTodd> speaking of money....i should look into freelancing....course my novels are brickwalled so...heh
00:50  * GodTodd likes to think out loud.
00:50 <n54> it's ok by me
00:51 <GodTodd> see....norwegians are ok :)
00:51 <GodTodd> heh
00:51 <n54> heh :)
00:51 <n54> until we take out our swords that is ^^
00:52 <GodTodd> ;)
00:52 <n54> then we're "really really ok" :D
00:52 <GodTodd> it's messed up but whenever i think of norwegians i think of monty python
00:52 <GodTodd> heh
00:53 <n54> lol that's not that wrong really, monty python got most of it right :)
00:53 <n54> (you should see most of our politicians)
00:53 <GodTodd> heh
00:54 <n54> and you'ld probably fall voer laughing listening to norwegian :)
00:54 <GodTodd> probably
00:54 <n54> many english do (and some swedes but they don't really count)
00:54 <GodTodd> i'm easily amused :)
00:54 <n54> :)
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> it would be those years of conditioning from watching the swedish chef muppet
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> that guy's funnier than shit
00:54 <GodTodd> lol
00:54 <n54> hehe yes :D
00:55 <n54> and Mr. Bean always reminds me of my father...
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> haha
00:55 <n54> :D
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> I never saw that movie, but I worked with a guy who told me I reminded him of him
00:55 <n54> :)
00:55  * Lucifer_arma did see some Mr. bean tv shows, though
00:55 <GodTodd> did you see they have a new dr. who show?
00:55 <n54> yeah haven't seen the movie either, only the shows
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but douglas adams is dead.
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> I know, he wasn't the only writer on the original dr. who show, but still....
00:56 <GodTodd> i haven't seen the new one
00:56 <GodTodd> just doesn't sit right with me
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> me neither
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> we threw out our cable again
00:57 <n54> /has only seen glimpses of the original stuff
00:57 <GodTodd> threw it out?
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> so we've this big-ass tv with just a dvd/vhs player hooked up
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> good enough for watching star wars
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> this time it was just a metaphor, but in seattle it was real.  My wife grabbed the cable box and threw it out into the yard
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> the tv soon followed
00:57 <GodTodd> we just got a dvd recorder/vcr combo
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, I had already thrown our tv away twice (different tv, here in austin, much earlier)
00:58 <GodTodd> heh
00:59 <GodTodd> 110$...couldn't pass on it
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> I could.  :)
00:59 <GodTodd> needed a new dvd player after i broke one
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> my computer works very well, thank you.
00:59 <GodTodd> mine too
01:00 <GodTodd> karen wanted another recorder tho...for the kitchen
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> !?
01:00 <GodTodd> ?!
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> does your kitchen have a separate dining room, or attached dining room?
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> integrated dining room?
01:01 <GodTodd> none
01:01 <GodTodd> we have teh table in it tho
01:01 <GodTodd> heh
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> so you have a tv and formerly a computer in your kitchen?
01:01 <GodTodd> both, yes
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> not that I'm knocking the computer thing, I'd love to put a computer in my kitchen
01:01 <GodTodd> and a nintendo 64
01:02 <GodTodd> heh
01:02 <n54> :)
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> weird.  americans are fucking weird, that's all there is to it.
01:02 <GodTodd> yep...and we love it
01:02 <GodTodd> :)
01:02 <n54> I promise you it's not just americans :)
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> :)
01:03 <n54> although I really don't get the butox fad but well...
01:03 <GodTodd> those are all in the kitchen mostly because there's no where else to put them
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> butox?  what's that?
01:03 <GodTodd> not that we're disgustlingly rich or anything
01:03 <GodTodd> botox?
01:03 <n54> botox
01:03 <n54> yup
01:03 <GodTodd> the injection shit
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> pump up your cheeks and stuff?
01:04 <GodTodd> i think so, yeah
01:04  * Lucifer_arma should inject some into his penis
01:04 <GodTodd> the new collagen or some shit
01:04 <n54> yeah spend a zillion dollars and look like a zombie stuff
01:04 <GodTodd> it like paralyzes you or something doesn't it?
01:04 <n54> yeah
01:04 <n54> it's a neurotoxin afaik
01:04 <n54> superdeadly
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I know I look like a filthy, mangy dog.
01:04 <GodTodd> to 'perk up' the muscles
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy that way.
01:05 <GodTodd> took me years to get this look
01:05 <GodTodd> hard work
01:05 <GodTodd> :P
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> I've got scars and pits in my cheeks from old zits, and new zits forming all the time.
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> great!  I love it!
01:05 <n54> bah sit down for two years and you'll look just like me ^^
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> is your ass shaped like your chair?
01:06 <n54> nope lol my ass is surprisingly super-bouncy
01:06  * GodTodd looks for a quarter.
01:06 <n54> it's some kind of miracle ro something XD
01:06 <GodTodd> :)
01:06 <n54> lol
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> my arms are different colors because the welding machines put out sunlight-level light when I was healing from my motorcycle accident
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> and I think it's awesome
01:06 <n54> hehe
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> but you know, I don't understand make-up either.  Make-up, plastic surgery, what's the difference?
01:07 <GodTodd> truly
01:07 <n54> I sort of agree
01:07 <GodTodd> if people want me to look like something i'm not, fuck them
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> my wife hides whenever she puts on makeup so she doesn't have to hear me bitch about how stupid it is
01:08 <GodTodd> i think the last time karen wore makeup was our wedding
01:08 <GodTodd> and i let that slide
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, at least she's not trying to impress *me* with that shit
01:08 <GodTodd> lipstick tastes like shit
01:08  * Lucifer_arma tries to picture karen with makeup
01:08 <GodTodd> it's hard
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't know, I've tasted neither lipstick nor shit
01:08 <n54> I'm not sure, my last x never used any real make-up and so on
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> my wife comes out with anything on her lips, I won't kiss her.  I refuse.
01:09 <n54> sometimes it's nice though
01:09 <GodTodd> well....refer to above referenced wedding :P
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'm so glad my wife didn't wear makeup to our wedding.  I don't know that I could have kissed her...
01:09 <GodTodd> i toughed it out
01:09 <GodTodd> :D
01:09 <GodTodd> i'm a trooper
01:09 <GodTodd> heh
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, we got married on the cheap, in a hurry.  :)
01:10 <GodTodd> we did too, kinda....not as much of a hurry but still... :)
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> I wore a tie-dyed t-shirt and my regular pants and stuff, no suit or anything
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> fuck all that ceremonial bullshit
01:10  * n54 never married either one, only common-wifes, been reevaluating that too
01:11 <GodTodd> although it'll be a great story to tell our kids why our arkansas marriage license has her living in texas and me living in nebraska
01:11 <GodTodd> :)
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> haha
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> arkansas definitely isn't between those two points, either
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to enjoy this year, I think.
01:13 <GodTodd> and that the house we were married in is owned by the father i had just met that previous july...
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> "My wife's 25, I'm 31, we've been married for 10 years"  :)
01:13 <GodTodd> lol
01:13 <n54> lol
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> come to think of it, that'll only be true for a couple more weeks, she's about to have a birthday
01:14  * Lucifer_arma thinks he liked all those "she's underage" songs a little too much
01:15 <GodTodd> winger fan!
01:15 <GodTodd> ;)
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> Motley Crue - ALl in the name of...
01:17 <n54> gah m?tley crue
01:17 <n54> next you'll be talking about manofwar or somthing like that :P
01:17 <n54> manowar'
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> you think you're soooo cool, having one of those keyboards where you can type motley crue properly....
01:17 <n54> hehe
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> M(umlaut)otley Crue
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> just does't look right
01:18 <GodTodd> ummm M(umlaut)otley Cr(umlaut)ue
01:18 <GodTodd> ;)
01:18 <n54> I've got to make an extra keypress to write ?
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, when I finish my record I'm going to do the logo as Dave Fanc?lla
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> or something like that
01:18 <n54> it's not norwegian :)
01:18 <n54> hehe
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've gotta go Insert->Special Character
01:19 <n54> keyboards should be more utf-8-friendly
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> because you know, putting an umlaut over a letter automatically makes it good metal or something
01:19 <GodTodd> of course
01:19 <n54> that rule only applies for m?torhead
01:20 <GodTodd> just like jagged edges on the logo
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> look, just be happy the japanese didn't beat us to the market with computers.  Sure, we've got ascii-centric stuff, but imagine how much worse it could be
01:20 <GodTodd> :)
01:20 <n54> I've seen some japanese keyboards, crazy stuff (chinese too), it doesn't help that they have like four alphabets
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't, heh
01:21 <n54> ther's simply not room for 60000 glyphs (kanji) :D
01:21 <GodTodd> just use a stylus :D
01:21 <n54> so they have these elaborate super-shift thingys
01:22  * Lucifer_arma thinks every language should just switch tot he klingon alphabet
01:22 <n54> it's sticky? :P j/k
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> seems like the accent keys should be handled like shift keys
01:23 <GodTodd> crazy shift ;)
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, you know, shift keys just capitalize letters, after all
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> why not have a shift that also puts an accent?
01:23 <n54> they do here...
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> then one for the umlaut
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> that how they set it up?
01:23 <n54> yes
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> I was under the impression there was a special mode key or something
01:24 <n54> but since it's a norwegian layout we have ae?? as normal keys
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> well that's cool, then.  How do I get one of those keyboards for my laptop?  :)
01:24 <GodTodd> google it
01:24 <GodTodd> amazon
01:24 <n54> order it in norway? ^^
01:24 <GodTodd> ebay
01:24 <GodTodd> something like that
01:24 <n54> it will be expensive though
01:24 <GodTodd> yep
01:25 <GodTodd> or...have n54 buy one and ship it
01:25 <GodTodd> ;)
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> if it just handles spanish characters, I'm fine.  Id like umlauts, don't get me wrong, but I'll be happy with spanish characters
01:25 <n54> that's what I mean by keyboards becoming more utf friendly, they should do stuff like that all over the world
01:25 <n54> hehe would still be expensive :)
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> can't be terribly expensive, I'm only 3 hours from Mexico...
01:25 <n54> perhaps spanish layouts handle umlauts too?
01:25 <n54> yeah could try that
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> not sure.
01:26 <n54> ? <-- that's soanish right?
01:26 <n54> spanish*
01:26 <n54> or at least ?
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  <--- should be all that's needed
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> the accents and enye would need to be shifts, the upside down question mark just another key, maybe as a shift
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> so you'd do shift->\ for it, or something
01:27  * n54 can do ? ? ? ? ? ? but not the upside down question mark
01:28  * Lucifer_arma thinks the Spanish are smart, putting an upside down question mark before the sentence so you know it's a question before you get to the end.
01:28 <n54> ctrl-shift ? should be ok for the upside down ?
01:28  * Lucifer_arma would like to adopt that for english
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> nope, didn't get me that
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I could go with that, though.
01:29 <n54> no I meant as in could have been
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should just find out what some of the keyboard layouts supported by kde actually look like, maybe I can just change one of those?
01:29 <n54> you could hack the keyboard controller or the whatever in the os
01:29 <n54> yup
01:30 <n54> and then buy one of those fancy led keyboards where you choose what symbols are displayed
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> keyboard mapping is done mostly by X
01:30 <n54> ok
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> laptop, I'm limited to whatever compaq made for this thing, and that depends on where they marketed it
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go smoke, I'm getting impatient waiting for this distro to build
01:31 <n54> if "fab" ever becomes real one could make f/oss hardware like keyboards
01:31 <n54> ah ok
01:31 <GodTodd> ok...89$ is a lil steep
01:31 <GodTodd> ;)
01:32 <GodTodd> 59$ for spanish
01:32 <n54> :)
01:32 <n54> here http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeedu/ktouch/create_keyboards.html
01:33 <GodTodd> cool...they have a whole 'upside down' punctuation key
01:33 <n54> hehe
01:34 <n54> yeah they use upside down !'s too don't they?
01:34 <GodTodd> yep
01:35 <GodTodd> holy fucking shit
01:35 <GodTodd> http://www.customkeys.com/catalog_pages/FLK_Chinese.html
01:35 <GodTodd> dunno which is worse....http://www.customkeys.com/catalog_pages/FLK_Japanese.html
01:36 <n54> :D
01:38 <n54> still it's weird that they haven't seen economics of scale in cramming most of latin-1 into one keyboard layout
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> it could be a marketing decision.  I wonder how well americans would take to that...
01:38 <n54> alt-gr is already used for a few characters for instance (at least on my)
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> so much white supremacy hiding just under the surface...
01:39 <n54> well most of latin-1 is "white" anyhow
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> even the "tolerant liberals" in Seattle were looking down their noses at the asians there
01:39 <n54> what for?
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> "white" in america is anglo-saxon, technically some german in there, but the English neighbor
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> s/neighbor/language
01:41 <n54> they'ld probably get a heart attack if they ever went to london or oslo with that attitude
01:43 <n54> there's an indian tandoori restaurant in just about every village and city in england and the same goes for kebab stands in norway ^^
01:43 <GodTodd> heh i think a majority of people i 'detest' are white, myself
01:43 <n54> although I'm not so sure the norwegian kebabs are all that halal hehe :D
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=48421#48421  :)
01:44  * n54 waits for his slowas machine to load page
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> guru3:  http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=4849#4849
01:46 <n54> hehe about the "eating developers" part, that could be sexual harassment you know lol
01:46 <n54> oh
01:47 <n54> yeah Marrow was a nice guy but he tried to pull a dictatorial attitude and things went bad fast, a mistake - but I hope he could change his mind at some point and come back
01:48 <n54> with a different attitude of course
01:49 <GodTodd> well....i think i'ma go hit that thing with pillows on it
01:49 <n54> ok cya :)
01:50  * n54 wonders where Road Kill went, and Maji, and Locutus, and....
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> 'night GodTodd 
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> Marrow showed up awhile back, played some fortress and then either changed his name or took off again
01:51 <n54> ah ok
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> locutus is still kicking around, ran into him on swampland a week ago or so
01:52 <n54> cool
01:52 <n54> commie is at subby, so those two are accounted for
01:52 <n54> subby's
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> commie showed up on fortress a little while ago, too.  It was awesome.  :)
01:53 <n54> maji was awesome, he played with his mouth due to being paralysed
01:53 <n54> ok :)
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> maji hasn't been here while I've been here, sorry.
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> sounds neat, though, playing with his mouth :)
01:54 <n54> he might be hard at study at university or something like that
01:54 <n54> yeah
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02:07 <n54> I've got to trying sleeping again and see if I can become a bit more awake - cya all :)
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
02:15 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: bit out of date isn't it :/
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02:15 <Lucifer_arma> just a little bit :)
02:17 <guru3> and i still couldn't really say who all was working on AA now 
02:17 <guru3> :/
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02:30 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: check out meh oath
02:30 <z-man-work> darn
02:30 -!- z-man-work is now known as z-man
02:30 -!- z-man is now known as z-mand
02:31 -!- z-mand is now known as z-man
02:31 <guru3> z-mand :D
02:31 <guru3> there's high z-mand for z-man!
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> :)
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> z-mandi
02:31 <z-man> Doing the dishes and going the scenic route was pushing it :)
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> z-mandi is hot!
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, we've all been sworn in, the Evil Triumvirate has begin.  :)
02:32 <z-man> Mwahahaha!
02:32 <z-man> What shall be our first atrocity?
02:32 <guru3> putting the wiki in the communal database?
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, I promised not to eat any developers...
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki.  Hmmm......
02:33 <guru3> you'll notice i didn't ;)
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> what version of mysql did you run?  4.1, right?
02:33 <guru3> 5.1
02:33 <guru3> but
02:33 <guru3> i've got a system
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> er, hm.
02:33 <guru3> i can run it out of a home directory
02:33  * Lucifer_arma wonders what version he runs.
02:33 <guru3> so all i need really is a user account
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> Well, here's the thing, the wiki server is currently in flux
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'm really impressed with this rock linux and considering getting rid of all that hard gentoo work and putting rock on there
02:34 <guru3> :O
02:34 <guru3> then how about transferring the wiki until you decide
02:34 <guru3> and then adding you in
02:34 <guru3> when you're sure
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's still in Mandriva right now, part of the reason I'm willing to do this is because I didn't manage to get the wiki going on gentoo :)
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> we can do that, that's no problem.
02:35  * Lucifer_arma wonders if tank's user account is still there on the system
02:35 <guru3> i had a user account?
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> I can give you a database dump, but you can get the most recent one yourself when you're ready to do it.
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, remember?  back when leviathan was almost a viable project :)
02:35 <guru3> hmmm
02:35 <guru3> do you use a non-standard port?
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> also, it would be nice to upgrade mediawiki in the process :)
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> no, I may have closed the ssh port, lemme check
02:36 <guru3> whoa this is starting to sound like work!
02:36 <z-man> That sounded like Wally :)
02:36 <z-man> (from Dilbert)
02:36 <guru3> (i got it ;))
02:36 <guru3> and you'll need ssh for being part of the 3 ring circus
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> ah, no, it was pointed at a nonexistant machine
02:37 <guru3> can you disable the wiki so no one can make changes?
02:38  * Lucifer_arma scratches head
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's a purdy good question
02:38 <guru3> *groan* ><
02:38  * z-man keeps out of it, seeing Lucifer_arma and guru3 sort of got everything under control
02:39 <guru3> lol do you want to become part of the 4 ring circus? 4 way replication?
02:39 <guru3> anyone of us goes down and the whole thing goes to hell? :D
02:39 <z-man> Of course, I'll run whatever you tell me to run on my puny little home server.
02:40 <guru3> how fast _is_ your home server?
02:40 <z-man> You know snails?
02:40 <guru3> yes
02:40 <guru3> they beat me in races everyday
02:40 <z-man> About half as fast.
02:40 <guru3> how much memory?
02:40 <guru3> it might not be able to run the stuff Oo
02:41 <z-man> 128 Mbit upstream, 128 Mbyte memory, 233 Mhz Pentium MMX
02:41 <guru3> mmmm m
02:41 <guru3> k
02:41 <guru3> 128mbit? :O
02:41 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: MediaWiki on Gentoo is simple enough, unless you patch it
02:41 <z-man> kbit
02:41 <guru3> doh!
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> ours is patched
02:41 <guru3> how so?
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm sure wrtlprnft wouldn't mind remaking his patch for a newer version :)
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> spam protection
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> form fields are different, and there are several on the page
02:42 <guru3> is there like a . patch file?
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> only one is accepted
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, no patch file.  ask wrtlprnft for it
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't find a way to lock the entire wiki
02:42 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: has he submitted it to MW?
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> beats me, he only just made it a couple of days ago
02:42 <Luke-Jr> or is it hacked in?
02:43 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: ok, instead of that move the wiki out of the directory it's in
02:43  * Luke-Jr thinks that's a pretty good idea, especially if it uses CSS to hide the fakes
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> ?  hacked in.....  I don't know.
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> it uses css to hide the fakes :)  view source on the login page
02:43 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I presume you know how to move MySQL dbs?
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> haha, sure, ummm.....
02:43 <Luke-Jr> <.<
02:43 <guru3> like mkdir ../old
02:43  * Lucifer_arma usually exports to sql and then reimports
02:44 <guru3> mov wiki/* ../old/
02:44 <Luke-Jr> that's how =p
02:44 <Luke-Jr> mov? wtf?
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: to disable the wiki?
02:44 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: typo
02:44 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: yeah just move it out of the dir that apache2 looks in
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> I could just disable the vhost for it....  :)
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> you know, comment it out and restart apache
02:44 <guru3> that would work too
02:44 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: FWIW, USE=vhosts in Gentoo ;)
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> better yet, point that at a page that says "Wiki disabled, please stand by"
02:45 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: is it /www/wiki ?
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> vhosts work on the gentoo installation, it's php that doesn't
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> or was it something else?  I forgot now what it was that wasn't working
02:45 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: USE=vhosts is needed so Gentoo doesn't automatically install webapps to localhost vhost
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: yes
02:45 <Luke-Jr> what ver of php?
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> 5
02:45 <guru3> don't use 5 yet
02:45 <Luke-Jr> does MW support 5?
02:45 <guru3> 5 breaks the forums
02:46 <Luke-Jr> 5 breaks a lot of stuff
02:46 <Luke-Jr> emerge =dev-lang/php-4*
02:46 <Luke-Jr> with USE=apache2
02:46 <guru3> i just masked 5 & up
02:46 <Luke-Jr> guru3: I have both installed
02:46 <Luke-Jr> tho Apache2 just uses 4
02:47 <guru3> i vas not that clever
02:47 <guru3> but the machine i was testing on is also not rich in disk space
02:47 <Luke-Jr> neither is mine
02:47 <guru3> ><
02:47 <Luke-Jr> but I figure I'll experiment with PHP5 sometime
02:47  * Lucifer_arma will gladly keep using php4
02:47 <Luke-Jr> at which point my time is better spent making both PHP4 and PHP5 work within the same Apache2 instance
02:48 <Luke-Jr> than compiling
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> I need an .htaccess file that'll redirect all page requests to the index
02:48 <Luke-Jr> easy ;)
02:48 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: sucking up the wiki over scp
02:48 <Luke-Jr> RewriteEngine On
02:48 <Luke-Jr> RewriteRule .* /index.php
02:48 <Luke-Jr> RewriteRule .* /index.php [R=301]
02:49 <Luke-Jr> that might be better.. or maybe 302
02:49 <Luke-Jr> whichever is Temp Moved
02:49 <guru3> looks like it's going in slow motion
02:49 <guru3> aka not at all
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> ?
02:50 <Luke-Jr> guru3: I suggest scp -C
02:50 <guru3> Luke-Jr: doesn't like that when i try it
02:50 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: do you have the scp sub system disabled?
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of.  I scp to it all the time
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: that rewrite rule results in redirect limits being exceeded in firefox
02:51 <guru3> cause it's just sitting after the password prompt here :/
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> um, could just be some cpu overload going on
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's pretty responsive for me, though
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> it is very slow to authenticate, howeer
02:52 <guru3> uploading it to myself instead of uploading it from you direct to server
02:53 <guru3> weeee look at it go
02:53 <guru3> shoulda run it in a screen ><
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> ok, seems to be working now
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> wiki is disabled.  When you want, you can just reenable it by pointing the dns stuff at your box :)
02:53 <guru3> oky
02:54 <guru3> nice db password :)
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> ssshhhhhh!
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> :)
02:55 <guru3> :D
02:55 <guru3> only 19M for the wiki's db
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's not bad
02:55 <guru3> it's itsybitsy
02:56 <guru3> the forums is all friggin huge compared to that
02:57 <guru3> don't tell me there's more than one wiki in that database...
02:57 <guru3> *groan* there is
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> ?  shouldn't be....
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> did you grab the right database?
02:58 <guru3> there's a mediaw_ set of tables
02:58 <guru3> and mw_ set of tables
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> you grabbed wikidb?
02:58 <guru3> mysqldump -u wikiuser -p wikidb > /home/fcs/wiki.sql
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> $wgDBprefix         = "mw_";  <--- use these tables
02:59 <guru3> that bit i got
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> so you should be able to drop the rest, probably a test database
02:59 <guru3> but i have to work out a way to weed out the rest of the stuff now ><
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> sorry.  I must have been messier than I thought.  I could swear I dropped the test database when I installed this thing!
02:59 <guru3> it's not a test db tho
02:59 <guru3> it's just another set of tables
03:00 <guru3> don't worry tho, i think they're empty
03:00 <guru3> which means they'll be easy to delete
03:00 <guru3> after opening 100MB forum dump files
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if they're empty it was a test db, one I installed to test mediawiki :)
03:00 <guru3> opening a 19MB wiki dump will be small change
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh
03:01 <guru3> not gonna be fun to insert it into the db network tho ><
03:03 <guru3> and now it's 18MB :D
03:08 <guru3> inserting the database
03:09 <guru3> well that's inserted
03:09 <guru3> just waiting on the directory now
03:09 <guru3> all these stupid people uploading shit!
03:11 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: crap, hehe... make an exception for the index XD
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> :)  fixed it.  modified the regex to look for *.php*
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's working for me, anyway
03:12 <guru3> eet's like the slow motion upload from hell D:
03:12 <Luke-Jr> heh
03:12 <guru3> i'm gonna make some toast
03:12 <guru3> bbiab
03:12 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: good job finding a way to solve the problems of relative resource references, BTW
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> wasn't it obvious?  :)  ty
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> and thanks for the regex
03:13 <Luke-Jr> well, nobody suggested it before
03:13  * Lucifer_arma is slightly distracted trying to get this carlinux building
03:15 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I don't suppose you have a solution to the length problem?
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> not terribly concerned about it.  Good readability requires extra characters, you just have to live with it.
03:16 <Luke-Jr> "extra characters" doesn't always mean "more than double the length"
03:17 <Luke-Jr> I should stop repeating my post here and just let you reply on the forum, I guess =p
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see how that matters.  Readability is all-important to me, I'm willing to spend whatever characters are needed to do that
03:18 <Luke-Jr> hm
03:18 <Luke-Jr> so maybe we should drop XML for English =p
03:18 <Luke-Jr> actually, nevermind that... English sucks for parsing
03:18 <Luke-Jr> Esperanto maybe
03:20 <guru3> huzzah it's done
03:22 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: i'll wait with the upgrade until wrtlprnft makes a new patch
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03:31 <guru3> ok i've got my local mirror of the wiki up
03:31 <guru3> now if i only had an account...
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> no account on the wiki?
03:34 <guru3> yeah
03:34 <guru3> don't think i ever got around to creating one
03:35 <guru3> where is stuff uploaded to on the wii?
03:35 <guru3> *wiki
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> images, looks like
03:36 <guru3> ok
04:06 <guru3> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Main_Page
04:06 <guru3> back in buisness
04:06 <guru3> feel free to screw your server up now lucifer :)
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> thanks.  :)  I'll do it right away...
04:08 <guru3> ^^
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> haha, rock's building two targets simultaneously now
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> I hope my laptop doesn't melt
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06:07 <madmax|pt> hello
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06:15 <Lucifer_arma> hello
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06:15 <Lucifer_arma> :)  (ok, fine, that was annoying)
06:16  * Lucifer_arma is away: sleeping
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06:40 <n54> much better :)
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06:58 <wrtlprnft> #morning
06:58 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft! Random Fortune:  printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) || linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c
06:58 <wrtlprnft> what version do you guys want me to make a patch for?
06:58 <wrtlprnft> guru3: Lucifer_arma 
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: your call, I'd say "latest stable"
07:00 <joda_bot> #notes
07:00 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: I have no notes waiting to be delivered.
07:00 <wrtlprnft> the whole point of the patch is to NOT submit it to mediawiki
07:01  * Lucifer_arma is asleep and therefore incapable of disagreeing
07:01 <wrtlprnft> nice dreams?
07:02  * Lucifer_arma is, however, happy to have cleared out the storage of notes waiting to be delivered to $randomnick, Lucifer_arma, , and such.
07:02 <wrtlprnft> nickserv, memoserv, chanserv?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, all that crap.  it was getting on my nerves.
07:04 <wrtlprnft> you'd just need to convince nickserv to join here...
07:05 <wrtlprnft> gosh, heard of that hole in ms word?
07:06 <wrtlprnft> now ms is trying to tell its users to start word with the /save command line switch? what?
07:06 <wrtlprnft> show me the user that can actually do that
07:06 <wrtlprnft> and they let you wait until the middle of june to fix it
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> you can start word with command line switches?  That's news to me
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I always started word from the commandline by typing "soffice somefile.doc"
07:08 <wrtlprnft> yes, word has commandline switches
07:09 <wrtlprnft> they want you to create a link on the desktop for it and change the settings in explorere
07:09 <wrtlprnft> -e
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit.  word has commandline switches.  wow.
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07:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm a let the screensaver kick in and actually go to bed in a few minutes, so my two rock build processes will have more cpu time to share
07:11 <wrtlprnft> nigh
07:11 <wrtlprnft> t
07:20 <n54> cya luci
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08:57 <guru3> wrtlprnft: i'd say latest stable as well
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09:26 <SuPeRTaRD> i miss playing..   wonder if i get a newer videocard if this compy would run it right
09:27 <SuPeRTaRD> i dont think aatron sees this geforce2
09:27 <z-man-work> Maybe you haven't got the right OpenGL installed?
09:27 <SuPeRTaRD> or something..   no acceleration..  
09:28 <z-man-work> Usually, the NVIDIA drivers take care of that...
09:28 <z-man-work> What's the rest of the system like?
09:28 <SuPeRTaRD> hmmm
09:28 <SuPeRTaRD> pentium3  600mhz
09:28 <z-man-work> Err, software, mostly :)
09:28 <z-man-work> WinXP?
09:28 <SuPeRTaRD> half gig of ram
09:29 <SuPeRTaRD> win2k pro
09:29 <SuPeRTaRD> i'll try some diff drivers later
09:29 <SuPeRTaRD> thx for the idea
09:30 <SuPeRTaRD> �8)
09:30 <SuPeRTaRD> time to go paint houses
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11:49 <madmax|pt> hello
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16:07 <madmax|pt> sooooo...
16:08 <[NP]Tangent> man
16:08 <[NP]Tangent> I had an awesome day
16:08 <[NP]Tangent> I had an hour and a half off during finals
16:08 <[NP]Tangent> so I took my laptop and some speakers in to the cafeteria at our school
16:09 <[NP]Tangent> and started playing speedcore, terrorcore, speedbass, and gabber really loud.
16:09 <[NP]Tangent> some of it I made
16:09 <[NP]Tangent> and holy crap did I piss people off
16:10 <madmax|pt> lol
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16:12 <madmax|pt> i think this channel has a tight relationship with monologues
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17:30  * Lucifer_arma wonders what speedcore, terrorcore, speedbass, and gabber are
17:30  * Lucifer_arma is back.
17:43 <deja_vu_> o.o
17:43 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> where's n54 when I want to tell a really bad joke?
17:59 <Lucifer_arma> #message n54 Why do Mexicans eat tamales for Christmas?
17:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:00 <wrtlprnft> now make an alias for "echo youranswerhere" and msg him that, too
18:00 <wrtlprnft> so he can chack :P
18:00 <wrtlprnft> *check
18:00 <wrtlprnft> and delete it after
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'll probably be here when he answers
18:02 <wrtlprnft> #alias add test "alias remove test"
18:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:02 <wrtlprnft> #test
18:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:02 <wrtlprnft> #test
18:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O lol
18:02 <wrtlprnft> cleans its evidence
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> haha
18:03 <Lucifer_arma> "don't push this button again"
18:03 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add pushredbutton "echo Don't push this button again!"
18:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:03 <Lucifer_arma> #pushredbutton
18:03 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
18:03 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:03 <wrtlprnft> as if there weren't enough aliases :D
18:04 <Lucifer_arma> as if there weren't enough *useless* aliases :D
18:04 <wrtlprnft> :P
18:04 <wrtlprnft> #insight
18:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The insipid outgrowth of current epistemologies will uglify today's education.
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> #roulette
18:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: *click*
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> #roulette
18:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: *click*
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfcleanalias "alias add $1 'alias remove $1'"
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> #roulette
18:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: *click*
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> #roulette
18:05 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:05  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #selfcleanalias test
18:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #test
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #help test
18:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (test <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "'alias remove test'".
18:05 <wrtlprnft> argh
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfcleanalias "alias add $1 alias remove $1"
18:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #selfcleanalias test
18:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <wrtlprnft> #test
18:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:05 <wrtlprnft> now i need to hide a message in that
18:06 <wrtlprnft> #echo [
18:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Missing "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
18:06 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfcleanalias "alias add $1 echo $* [alias remove $1]"
18:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:06 <wrtlprnft> #selfcleanalias test hi there
18:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no such alias.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfcleanalias "alias add $1 echo $2 [alias remove $1]"
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #selfcleanalias test hi
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no such alias.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfcleanalias "echo add $1 echo $2 [alias remove $1]
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No closing quotation
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfcleanalias "alias add $1 echo $2 [alias remove $1]"
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #selfcleanalias test hi there
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no such alias.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfcleanalias "echo add $1 echo $2 [alias remove $1]"
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> #selfcleanalias test hi there
18:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no such alias.
18:08 <wrtlprnft> !
18:08 <wrtlprnft> #alias add selfcleanalias "alias add $1 alias remove $1"
18:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:08  * wrtlprnft goes into a private conversation with armabot 
18:08  * Lucifer_arma cheers
18:09 <wrtlprnft> :P
18:09 <wrtlprnft> i want it to print a message and then poof it disappears
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think Armagetron Linux should come with an irc bot that comes here and spams us
18:10 <wrtlprnft> not really
18:10 <wrtlprnft> but it should come with an irc client that logs into here
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I was thinking of the server edition :)
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody know if the arma-on-a-floppy that tank and the others did way back when was a bootable floppy?
18:12 <wrtlprnft> whatever you're planning to do, it should come with an icon that fetches the latest CVS and compiles it
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think it should be capable of fetching from svn a given tag, not sure about the trunk though.  I mean, yeah, it should be able to do it,
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> but providing updates to the stable branch is more important, imo
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> and it should be able to get those updates direct from svn, and take part in any prerelease process on the stable branch
18:14 <wrtlprnft> it should offer a choice ;)
18:14 <wrtlprnft> either latest branch or latest trunk
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, rock requires the development environment to be installed, it's package management is a little weak, so the system will automatically be able to build arma
18:14 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be awhile before we can brand the installer app.  It uses a shell script with a dialog creator that's ncurses
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> so a new installer app will need to be written.  if I like rock after I've installed it, I'll join their mailing lists and see what I can contribute there
18:17 <wrtlprnft> whats wrong with ncurses?
18:18 <wrtlprnft> this bot's syntax sucks
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> nothing's wrong with ncurses.  I just wnat a graphical installer with cool logos and stuff, maybe even cheesy sound effects.  What's wrong with that?
18:20 <wrtlprnft> gosh, stay away :P
18:20 <wrtlprnft> you wanna make a server, right?
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but there's no reason we can't have X on the installer disk
18:21 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't have any reason to even have X11 installed
18:21 <wrtlprnft> or even a graphics card, for that matter
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, there's an argument to install X, if we have an X-based gui config tool
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> you gotta keep in mind this is targetted at people like dr. joe tron, who maybe have some real problems working with linux.
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's gotta be great for those of us who dont' have such problems, that's true, too.
18:22 <wrtlprnft> if they can't use a good ncurses app they shouldn't run a server
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'll see how we can insert an IQ test to the installer...
18:22 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:23 <wrtlprnft> ok, hard question: how do you make an alias that echoes "["?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> I don't get it
18:30 <wrtlprnft> any idea? :(
18:37 <Lucifer_arma> you have escape the bracket, obviously
18:41 <Lucifer_arma> why does my weedeater make my right hand twitchy?
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18:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: so how do i escape the bracket?
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
18:49 <wrtlprnft> \[ won't work, and the alias command eats "["
18:49 <wrtlprnft> wow, bzflag sucks more than i thought
18:49 <wrtlprnft> it autokicks you for having more than 300ms lag
18:49 <wrtlprnft> what a joke
18:53 <nemostultae> #alias add "\[" echo test
18:53 <armabot> nemostultae: Error: Names cannot contain spaces or square brackets.
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18:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.randomperspective.com/page.asp?1news167  <--- haha, courtesy of K
19:02 <wrtlprnft> gosh, ct fortress is full of idiots
19:02 <wrtlprnft> some guy constantly screws up my def, i try to get him kicked (after he insulted me), he places a kick poll on me, and the idiots there accept every poll
19:18 <Self_Destructo> it can be
19:18 <Self_Destructo> i wish he would just get rid of the polls....
19:18 <Self_Destructo> ummm
19:19 <Self_Destructo> i got an idea...
19:19 <Self_Destructo> make it to where you can only vote for or against someone on your team
19:20 <Self_Destructo> then it isn't the other team voting to keep the person in so they can continue to wreck your team
19:20 <Self_Destructo> I've seen that happen many times
20:03 <wrtlprnft> there should be two different kinds of poll then
20:04 <wrtlprnft> one to kick someone because he's a teamkiller (only the team can vote) and one because it's just a jerk (everyone can vote)
20:51 <wrtlprnft> #later tell guru3 http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/wikihack.tar.bz2
20:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> has anybody tried to build arma with a cross-compiler from linux for windows?
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21:19 <wrtlprnft> no, not me
21:19 <wrtlprnft> if you find out how to make an installer from linux I'd volounteer to make pre-alpha versions of CVS HEAD on a regular basis
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> I can make installers, if it can be built
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> wine will run both nsis and the other one
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> ummm.....  what's the other one?  Doesn't matter, we use nsis.
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21:22 <Lucifer_arma> so, if we can get arma cross-compiled from linux, we can build an installer with wine and nsis
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> besides libxml2, what does the server need to build?  0.2.8 server, that is
21:27  * Lucifer_arma points out that nsis is a command line compiler and could be integrated in the build system, so regular snapshots could be built from a cronjob
21:28 <nemostultae> I thought someone already made an automated window build system?
21:28 <nemostultae> windows*
21:29  * Lucifer_arma doesn't know, just wants to build windows versions from linux :)
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> maybe K had something going?
21:29 <nemostultae> yea, I think so
21:30 <wrtlprnft> k has something, but it's VC6
21:30 <wrtlprnft> and that fails to build more often that it doesn't
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  and we're trying to get free of vcX, right?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> vc6, yes
21:31 <wrtlprnft> i think z-man-work is keeping vc7 or something
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> no, vcX, as in "we build on Free software only"
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> * + on all supported platforms
21:31  * Lucifer_arma thinks we should switch to gcc builds in the 0.3 series
21:31 <wrtlprnft> what's the point? if it builds on vc7, keep it building
21:32 <wrtlprnft> if one day vc7 is far behind gcc we might reconsider
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not saying don't keep it building, just that it shouldn't be required, and our own releases should be done from Free software
21:32 <wrtlprnft> but that's admin buisness :P have fun with it
21:32  * Lucifer_arma seems to recall gcc builds outperforming vc7 :)
21:32 <wrtlprnft> they're already
21:32 <wrtlprnft> won't be released as vc6 build
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> didn't we stop building in vc6 awhile ago, though?  And nobody wanted to maintain it?
21:33 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but z-man-work fixed it again, at some expense
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> so, besides libxml2, what else do we need to build the server?  on linux, that is?
21:34 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3454#47607
21:34 <wrtlprnft> glibc
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21:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's it?  just glibc?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> but the ./configure output for the server shows no checks for other libraries, no
21:37 <wrtlprnft> or no
21:37 <wrtlprnft> checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes
21:37 <wrtlprnft> whatever that is
21:37 <wrtlprnft> checking for X... libraries , headers
21:37 <wrtlprnft> no clue what that is
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> the server's checking for X?!?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> X, not X11, methinks
21:38  * Lucifer_arma will know soon enough, after his crystal build is done he's going to kick off an arma build
21:40 <wrtlprnft> let's see how that XGL demo live CD I'll have finished downloading works on qemu :D
21:40  * wrtlprnft is surprising how fast that torrent is... usually they're creeping by at 50 kb/s... that one goes up to 400
21:40  * wrtlprnft is *surprised*
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> probably a popular torrent
21:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah...
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> shit, it's still on kdebase
21:41 <wrtlprnft> that'll take a while
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell you one thing, this distribution-building is time consuming
21:41 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:41 <wrtlprnft> once you have a working Gentoo try emerge -e world
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> but I got my carlinux to build and install in qemu, so I can start tweaking it, but I'd really like to get crystal rock on my other partition and see how it is
21:42  * Lucifer_arma is likely about to drop the Gentoo experiment, rock is cool.  :)
21:42 <wrtlprnft> :P
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> the installer's a little rough around the edges, though.
21:42 <wrtlprnft> how does that thing perform on daily updates?
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, I need to get it installed and running before I can tell you anything about it
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> the package system isn't as mature as portage or any of the rest, though.
21:43 <wrtlprnft> well, i want my system to update easily
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not terribly worried about that, though.  They're working on it, and if I like it as much as I think I will, I'll be happy to throw some help their way if it gets me a distribution that works my way
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> Frankly, I'm starting to get pretty sick of being at the mercy of distribution-makers in general.  Neat thing about rock is I become the distribution-maker
21:45 <wrtlprnft> well, that means you have to maintain your packages yourself
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> not necessarily.  Their package system is pretty self-served.  Consider that they have a respectably large collection of packages, but a very small group working on them.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> I don't want to be bothered with every little update of every little piece of software
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> there is some serious cool automation in there
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> you can stick with gentoo and be happy about it.  :)  I've been leaning towards lfs for some time now, and this is essentially automated lfs
21:47 <wrtlprnft> 1:30 minutes and i'll be busy :D
21:47 <wrtlprnft> at least if it works ;)
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> ?
21:48 <wrtlprnft> xgl demo life cd
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right.  See if you can wrap arma around corners between desktops :)
21:48 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:48 <wrtlprnft> will be slow though in an emulation
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> emulation?
21:49 <wrtlprnft> qemu
21:49 <wrtlprnft> missing a CD burner right now
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, ok.
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> so what packages of existing software should be on an arma server?
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> openssh is there
21:49 <wrtlprnft> screen
21:50 <wrtlprnft> python, php, perl for scripts
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> perl's there already, I think.  I'll add python and php
21:51 <wrtlprnft> oh, armagetronad-dedicated
21:52 <wrtlprnft> i love distributions that replace their startup text by some screenbuffer thingy
21:53 <wrtlprnft> now it shows some stupid image and i have no clue whether it's actually doing something
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> I like that, actually
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> screen is already there
21:54 <wrtlprnft> i don't like it. that image adds no use whatsoever
21:54 <wrtlprnft> especially for a live- CD
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> Kubuntu has the image, and then there's a little viewscreen that shows the startup procedure
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> so you get prettiness, and real output that means something
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> better than Mandriva's progress bar, but mandriva lets you press escape to get the verbose output
21:55 <wrtlprnft> those things aren't unlikely to fail, and if they don't show an error of some sort you have no clue what went wrong
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> throw kubuntu in your qemu and look at what it gives you
21:56 <wrtlprnft> i know kubuntu
21:56  * Lucifer_arma thinks it gives you just as much as Gentoo :)
21:56 <wrtlprnft> uh, well
21:57 <wrtlprnft> there is no direct documentation on how to set it up to use a proxy server
21:57 <wrtlprnft> and you have to change lots and lots of different files to get there
21:57 <wrtlprnft> and the fact that it scanned for a DHCP server with some super- long timeout on two network cards annoyed me, too
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> ?  what are you talking about?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> tell kubuntu's installer to use the school proxy
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm just talking about tossing it in there to see that you have both the pretty picture and the verbose startup output during startup
21:58 <wrtlprnft> 21:56  * Lucifer_arma thinks it gives you just as much as Gentoo :)
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> ack, nvm.  Apparently you need to get your hippocampus checked out.  :P
21:59 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> i love distributions that replace their startup text by some screenbuffer thingy   <---- this was the topic
22:00 <wrtlprnft> anyways, talking about this specific CD image, it doesn't give you anything
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22:00 <Lucifer_arma> hippocampus records memories.  People who have their hippocampus removed can't remember anything new after the point where it was removed
22:00 <wrtlprnft> neither any status output, nore console messages, nor a (visible) way to turn it off
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> press escape and see what it does
22:01 <wrtlprnft> nothing
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> space bar?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> the only way was kororaa-nofb
22:01 <wrtlprnft> like, reboot and use another kernel image
22:01 <wrtlprnft> no, no space bar
22:01  * Lucifer_arma points out it's a demo cd, not a production os
22:01 <wrtlprnft> even more important
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> + to cover up the errors :)
22:02 <wrtlprnft> if my production os starts up once i can assume it will start up the next time i start it, too
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't fool with demos because they're all about showing off, and that's it.  Useless otherwise.
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> so if you want to fool with something that's all about showing off, you have to take the fact that everything you see is geared towards showing off along with it
22:03 <wrtlprnft> well, i wanna see how cool this XGL thing really is before messing around with it on my normal system
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> show me the production os, and then I'll worry about the framebuffered startup
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, one of the things that I liked about Mandriva is that I could use the non-verbose startup when everything was fine, but when something went wrong I could hit escape and see
22:04 <wrtlprnft> wow, startup is taking 10 minutes now... i don't wanna guess how slow the GUI will be
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> this was back when it was still Mandrake :)
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> qemu
22:04  * wrtlprnft should have used kqemu
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I think I have apache and php4 added, what else?
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> mind you it'll probably be building this distribution all night...
22:05 <wrtlprnft> dunno...
22:05 <wrtlprnft> *** YOUR VIDEO CARD IS NOT SUPPORTED ***
22:05 <wrtlprnft> It looks like you don't have a supported 3D Video Card.
22:05 <wrtlprnft> Sorry anout that :(
22:06 <wrtlprnft> You can still use this CD without Xgl though! Press Enter to continue
22:06 <wrtlprnft> _
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> haha
22:06 <wrtlprnft> wow, it's telling me that NOW?
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> after 10 minutes of framebuffered startup?
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> that bites
22:06 <wrtlprnft> yep
22:06 <wrtlprnft> so all i get is a command line
22:07 <wrtlprnft> that i had before i typed in my qemu command
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22:07 <Ringwraith`> SUPERTARD!
22:07 <wrtlprnft> guess he's not here right now
22:07 <wrtlprnft> maybe he's hiding
22:07 <Ringwraith`> hehe
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to wait until I have Crystal Linux installed to do any more with distribution building
22:08 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:08 <Ringwraith`> im trying to get advanced information from the master server the hardway
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> I really need to test the armagetronad-dedicated package before I try this
22:08 <wrtlprnft> what a waste of time, that Xgl thing was
22:08 <Ringwraith`> right now i wrote a program that uses the armagetron stuff but it only gets basic info
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> write a program that uses the armagetronad stuff instead
22:09  * wrtlprnft digs out the link
22:09 <Ringwraith`> fuck that didnt work either
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.armagetronad.net/
22:09 <Ringwraith`> no i mean the armagetronad
22:09 <Ringwraith`> not regular
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> ?  armagetronad is regular...
22:10 <Ringwraith`> well AD then
22:10 <Ringwraith`> im using the AD source for this
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what information are you trying to get?  Are you sure it's even available?
22:10 <nemostultae> why not armagetron-superad?
22:10 <Ringwraith`> i need to get player info
22:10 <Ringwraith`> maybe even scores would be nice
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> master server doesn't have that
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> you have to poll the servers themselves, that's what the client does
22:10 <Ringwraith`> so im going to have to iterate through that list then create a bunch of nServerInfo objects to store that info?
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> yep
22:11 <Ringwraith`> or something of that sort
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> yep
22:11  * Lucifer_arma can't wait until Armagetron Super Ultra Advanced comes out
22:11 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetronad.net/browser2/serverxml.php
22:11 <wrtlprnft> try that file if you just need information
22:11 <Ringwraith`> can i put a kitchen sink on some of the pointers flying around in this obsfucated mess
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> sure
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> just do #include <kitchensink.h>
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> you have to have installed the plumber's package, though, and they might bug your phones, so be careful
22:12 <Ringwraith`> wrtlprnft, well that info is nice but it doesnt have ips...
22:12 <wrtlprnft> would it be gKitchenSink.h, tKitchenSink, or rKitchenSink?
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> none, it's a system library
22:12 <Ringwraith`> well i need a tCaulk.h in tools then
22:13 <Ringwraith`> wrtlprnft, my goal is to write a full fledged kde/qt based server browser
22:13 <wrtlprnft> uh, that file does have the IPS of the servers
22:13 <Ringwraith`> and maybe a sys tray app
22:13 <wrtlprnft> yay, go ahead!
22:13  * wrtlprnft wants that
22:13  * Lucifer_arma wants that too, as a kopete plugin :)
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, hm.  Did I commit the armagetron: protocol stuff for kde?
22:14 <nemostultae> ah, yea, I think so
22:14 <wrtlprnft> Ringwraith`: what information is missing in that file?
22:14  * Lucifer_arma hopes so, because if not he doesn't remember where it is
22:14 <Ringwraith`> wrtlprnft,  a lot of servers
22:14 <wrtlprnft> it has the server ips and ports, description, name, url, and player list
22:15 <Ringwraith`> Lucifer_arma, what arma protocol stuff
22:15 <Ringwraith`> wrtlprnft, yeah i thought it was the same as the .de list
22:15 <nemostultae> but it wasn't a real protocol handler. It just passed --connect server:port to armagetronad
22:15 <wrtlprnft> uh, no clue where those went. that's guru3's stuff, usually it shows all servers
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so if you get a link like armagetronad://swampy.sytes.net/
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> you could click on it and it would open up the game pointed at that server
22:16 <wrtlprnft> try again in ten minutes and see if there's more servers :)
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> only available in cvs, though.  It's not in 0.2.8
22:16 <Ringwraith`> i could add a konqueror handler easily
22:16 <nemostultae> but if they game was already running it wouldn't work, correct?
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> it would start a new process, I think
22:16 <Ringwraith`> right now the app i have would require the frontend to use a command line program
22:17 <Ringwraith`> that connects real fast gets the info and disconnects
22:17 <nemostultae> the mac os x one handles events when the game is running, which is nice.
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> what I'm trying to tell you is that in cvs head there's some extra kde integration, so you can take advantage of it
22:17 <Ringwraith`> cool
22:17 <Ringwraith`> if sf's cvs working 100% now
22:17 <Ringwraith`> er is
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> if you can improve the kde integration, please send a patch.  Most of us linux developers are using kde, and we'd love it :)
22:17 <Ringwraith`> fucking cpp
22:18 <Ringwraith`> i really have been tempted to try to write a tron engine in qt
22:18 <Ringwraith`> it could be done
22:18 <Ringwraith`> and quite nicely
22:18 <Ringwraith`> plus it'd help with framerates considerably
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> how would it help with framerates?
22:19  * Lucifer_arma wonders if he really wants to see what kind of worms are in this can.
22:19 <Ringwraith`> i hate getting on a full server with 10 others and the whole engine takes 100% of my cpu and lowers my framerate to 10 even though i have a good net connection
22:20 <Ringwraith`> when the grid gets full the engine starts to suck
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> and how would having the engine written in qt fix that?
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, would it fix it because it's a completely new engine, or would it fix it because it's qt?
22:21  * Lucifer_arma notes that this engine is fairly mature, a new engine would have to solve all the problems that are already solved in current code
22:21 <Ringwraith`> well new codebase for one could mean for lots of good optimiziations, and qt has GL support really nicely, qt4.0 is i think about 50% faster and that framework would make it easier for devs and make some simple things and hacks ive seen in the source disasppear
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> in exchange for a 40MB dependency
22:22 <Ringwraith`> true
22:22 <Ringwraith`> AD's mem requirements are low
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> also, we use opengl directly, qt would be an interface library between us and opengl
22:22 <Ringwraith`> but its killing my CPU when the grid is full
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> 40MB is a lot to download on a dialup connection
22:22 <Ringwraith`> 100% cpu on a game like this shouldnt be...
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> ?  what version are you using?  I assume you're in linux, to boot, right?
22:23 <wrtlprnft> uh, what CPU?
22:23 <Ringwraith`> yes
22:23 <Ringwraith`> a 2.4ghz p4
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> ok, version and cpu?
22:23 <Ringwraith`> well celeron
22:23 <nemostultae> z-man mentioned re-factoring the grid data-structure awhile ago, but instead he did the the tString -> std::string conversion
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> celeron
22:23 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't use all of it
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> with no cache, right?
22:23 <Ringwraith`> slack 10.2, arma compiled myself
22:23 <wrtlprnft> i have 1 pemtium-m 1.3GHz, and the cpu has only about 60% useage
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> celeron = neutered p4
22:24 <Ringwraith`> Lucifer_arma,  a 256kb cache i think
22:24 <wrtlprnft> the real bottleneck is the graphics
22:24 <Ringwraith`> hey it was cheap at the time :)
22:24 <Ringwraith`> oh i have a geforce 3
22:24 <Ringwraith`> with nvidia's driver
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> my athlon screams, I run at 40-70fps all the time, even with 16 players on the server
22:24 <Ringwraith`> but i bring this thing in top when im playing on a large server and 100% cpu usage
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> geforce 4, I think.  :)  nforce chipset...
22:24 <wrtlprnft> i don't see the player number affecting the framerate a lot
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't.  Nor cpu usage, from my observations
22:25 <wrtlprnft> although it does if you compile with DEBUGLEVEL=4
22:25 <Ringwraith`> well its more or less the number of objects on the grid
22:25 <wrtlprnft> *=3
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> only between rounds, when the ingame media player starts to struggle
22:25 <Ringwraith`> more objects means more objects to process and render
22:25 <Ringwraith`> like the engine is stressed when you have a grid i'd say around 75% to 80% full
22:25 <Ringwraith`> more players obviously cause more trails to occur
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> what server?
22:25 <wrtlprnft> what is 80% full?
22:25 <Ringwraith`> and i think thats the bottle neck
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> what server?
22:26 <Ringwraith`> wrtlprnft, 80% of the grid is occupied
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> and what version is the server?
22:26 <Ringwraith`> Lucifer_arma,  any 
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> really?  even the nice cvs fortress server?
22:26 <Ringwraith`> Lucifer_arma,  probably various i havent kept track of serverv ersion info
22:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, no matter how many walls you havem the occupation will still be 0%
22:26 <nemostultae> You guys don't remember swampland turn-spamming to kill others' fps?
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:26 <Ringwraith`> but norm's does it, icemans does it and most of the other servers when the grid gets full to a point it starts killing the framerate and hogging cpu
22:27 <wrtlprnft> well, then improve it I'd say
22:27  * Lucifer_arma hasn't turn-spammed in a long time, it's not practical on fortress
22:27 <Ringwraith`> wrtlprnft, i've tried, this source its quite tough to learn
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> amen to that
22:28 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work is the guy that does most of the engine
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> yet, I just don't see how adding a huge library will somehow improve performance.
22:28 <Ringwraith`> basically i call it a bunch  of pointers flying around the place having sort of a symbiotic relationship between them
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> have you run it through a profiler?  what evidence do you actually have to support this?
22:28 <wrtlprnft> i never understood a lot about the engine, to be honest
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> I ask because everybody and their kid brother comes along and tells us what's wrong with the game, and they usually have no idea what they're talking about
22:29 <Ringwraith`> Lucifer_arma,  i havent ran it through the profiler
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> you strike me as being pretty competent, so I'm wondering if you've actually got some evidence, or if you're one of those guys with a kid brother...
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: when's the last time you profiled it?  Is it just that one time that I posted on the forums?
22:30 <Ringwraith`> nah, its just stuff ive noticed from user observation, i havent actually sat down to look into a lot of detail as to what exactly is going on at this point
22:30 <Ringwraith`> ive been playing around the source trying to figure it out for awhile
22:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no, i didn't profile it since
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> better look closer, then.  :)  last profiler told us where most of the cpu time was going, and it wasn't rendering or network traffic :)
22:30 <Ringwraith`> and trying to comprehend all that stuff takes a lot of neuron processing
22:30 <wrtlprnft> although i should for the font system
22:31 <wrtlprnft> actually 15% or so went into sparks, which is ridiculous
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> nah, just post it and say "I don't know how to read this" and someone will help.  actually, z-man gave a very good post that helps a lot to understand profiler output
22:31 <Ringwraith`> now the font system i could slap in the freetype libs to make that look better i *think*
22:31 <wrtlprnft> some other big part went into the HUD map
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's right, sparks.  that's where it all was.  :)
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> knock yourself out.  which freetype library were you planning on using?
22:31  * Lucifer_arma nudges wrtlprnft 
22:31 <Ringwraith`> freetype2
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> have you been working off a recent cvs checkout?
22:31 <nemostultae> you may want to check cvs
22:31 <Ringwraith`> get some nice ttf fonts in it
22:32 <wrtlprnft> uh, err
22:32 <wrtlprnft> check out CVS HEAD
22:32  * Lucifer_arma looks for the kid brother
22:32 <wrtlprnft> and look what it's using
22:32 <Ringwraith`> Lucifer_arma,  nah, ive just been brainstorming and learning about the nitty gritty of the game
22:32 <Ringwraith`> cool
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> better start with cvs head.  You'll need ftgl to build it, though.
22:32 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=300
22:32 <wrtlprnft> all freetype
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's beautiful.  *wipes tear*  I love our new freetype font.
22:33 <Ringwraith`> it will now be great to tell a U from a v! w00t!
22:33 <wrtlprnft> depends on the font you use :P
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's hard to tell with the canadian font
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> so who wants to write the font resource dtd?
22:33 <Ringwraith`> well it wont be the current released font
22:34 <Ringwraith`> i hate that damn thing
22:34 <Ringwraith`> lol
22:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i think that DTD should include a bit more than just one font
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft did all the hard work of drawing the currnt font in a font program, so the old bitmapped font is history, afaik.
22:34 <wrtlprnft> it should offer a way to get different fonts for different sizes
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: sure.  I ws thinking it should be more like a "fonts" dtd.   :)
22:35 <wrtlprnft> uh, it's still there
22:35 <wrtlprnft> FONT_TYPE 0, if it makes you happy
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> still used?
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok.
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> so not dead yet, ok.
22:35 <wrtlprnft> but it looks even crappier than befor
22:35 <wrtlprnft> e
22:35 <wrtlprnft> once there's unicode support the old font will be gone
22:35 <wrtlprnft> so enjoy it while you can
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> you won't hold it against me if I prefer the ttf font, will you?
22:36 -!- Ringwraith` [i=debian-t@tor/session/external/x-9f55abaa44d8c757] has quit ["Leaving"]
22:36 <wrtlprnft> no i won't
22:36 <wrtlprnft> the ttf font has everything the old font head
22:37  * wrtlprnft loves how irssi hilights all messages that contain wrtl, font, hud, xml or cockpit
22:37  * Lucifer_arma wonders who Ringwraith actually was
22:37 <wrtlprnft> ask SuPeRTaRD 
22:37 <wrtlprnft> looks like he'd know
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> hey, it's done with kdebase, now it's on kdeutils
22:38 <wrtlprnft> :P
22:38 <wrtlprnft> kdenetwork is yet to come
22:38 <wrtlprnft> and all its friends
22:39 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:39 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:40 <wrtlprnft> creepy how quiet the wiki is now...
22:40  * wrtlprnft is off to bed now, really
22:41 <nemostultae> maybe the Anarchic wanderers got a forum.
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> so what packages should be on an armagetronad-dedicated server?
22:42  * Lucifer_arma suspects nemo of wanting ruby
22:43 <nemostultae> yea, that would be good.
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's a page
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.rocklinux.net/packages/
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've already got basic and common sets put in, and apache, php, python, and now ruby.
22:44 <nemostultae> This is just a boot-cd, right?
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any idea if dependencies are satisfied
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> what I'm putting together right now is just an installation cd
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> liveCD's are a little more involved, but possible
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm not going to try to build it until I've got Crystal Linux going on my other partition, I need to build and test the armagetronad-dedicated package.
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> but I did successfully build the test of my carlinux distribution and run it in qemu, ran through the installer and stuff
22:47 <nemostultae> add sqlite3 to it, that's a useful tool
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> done
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22:49 <n54> Lucifer_arma: I have no idea why Mexicans eat tamales for Christmas :)
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> n54: so they have something to unwrap
22:55 <n54> hmm *thinks he gets it*
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it's one of the more tasteless jokes.  :)  I told it to the guys that ran the tamale stand at the farmer's market, though.  They usually set up next to us, we were good friends.
22:57 <n54> the swimming, running, jumping one is better
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is.  It's also funnier in light of the current immigration debate.  :)
22:58  * Lucifer_arma told you that joke because he ate tamales for dinner tonight.
22:58  * n54 has never eaten a tamale
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> good stuff.  I'm not a big fan of cornbread, but tamales are good.
22:59 <n54> now you make me want to make tacos
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically cornbread stuffed with some spicy meat of some sort, wrapped in a corn husk, and baked
22:59 <n54> :D :S
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> man, back when I worked at Sonic, one of the girls there (Mexican girl), her mom used to make these kick-ass tamales and go sell them in front of a grocery store
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> she'd bring us the leftovers.  They were really good.
23:00  * n54 is going to make chop suey again today, quick & dirty chop suey n54 style :)
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> she also made a killing selling them
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:00 <n54> :)
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> isn't chop suey the dish that some chinese immigrant dreamed up for his miner boss in california?
23:00 <n54> no idea
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not actually a native china dish, but one that was created in america?
23:00 <n54> let's got to wikipedia and see if it says anything about it :)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chop_suey
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> many stories about its origin, apparently
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.snopes.com/food/origins/chopsuey.asp
23:02 <n54> all I know it's supergood :) I simply fry meatstrips and strips of pepper and put the little bag of sauce on and make noodles on the side and put it all onto the noodles in the end and mix up :D (I said it was quick & dirty lol)
23:04 <n54> it's obvious I'm _not_ making american style chop suey that's for sure ^^
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> she was riding in Shanghai after World War II and spotted a neon sign that read: "Genuine American Chop Suey Served Here." 
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> I've never eaten it, and never seen it on a menu, to be honest
23:05 <n54> me neither, at least not what's described at the wikipedia
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> but I suppose if you go with the "odds and ends" definition, I've come close to making it, I just usually use rice
23:06 <n54> I think I've had it at a chinese restaurant here in oslo but that was more similar to what I'm making than what's on wikipedia
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> still working out noodles, but I got egg spaghetti noodles together for a chow mein of sorts one time
23:06 <n54> I love asian noodles, yumyum is my favourite brand (cheap & thai iirc)
23:07  * Lucifer_arma makes it a point to eat ethnic foods only in places where the particular ethnicity has a large immigrant population
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> yumyum rules!  :)
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's waaay better than that Ramen shit
23:07 <n54> well there's lots of chinese and vietnamese in norweay :) (and indians and pakistani and so on)
23:07 <n54> yes! :D
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> of course, i could go for even some of that ramen shit right now.  My tamale dinner was small; I'm still hungry.
23:08 <n54> I can buy a box of 50 yumyum packs (all the same of course) for about 50 NOK downtown :)
23:08 <n54> #g 50 nok to USD
23:08 <armabot> n54: 50 Norwegian kroner = 8.2072 U.S. dollars
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> that stuff is definitely dirt cheap
23:08 <n54> yup :D
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> which makes it a superior alternative to ramen :)
23:09 <n54> absolutely and it's way more spicy than anything else I've come across :)
23:09  * Lucifer_arma wonders how long before he can convert NOK to USD in his head
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's damn spicy for a dry soup mix
23:09  * n54 adds the dpice & stuff after draining the water not before - I seldom eat it soup style
23:09 <n54> yup :)
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I usually eat it soup style.  not very creative with it, I must admit.
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> I was shocked by it the first time I ate it.  I didn't expect it to bite at all.  It's not terribly spicy still, all things considered, but it still amazed me.
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> I guess years of bland ramen noodles conditioned me to expect more of the same.
23:10 <n54> it might be because i associate soup stule with adding hard-boiled egss and a little meat or prawn and so on (sometimes I do those things and still usually avoid the soup) :)
23:10 <n54> :)
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> and the stuff's really imported.  I think.  They may ahve started up local factories, but whenever I first encountered it it was import.  Ramen isn't, it's made here.
23:11 <n54> fried eggs and friend chopped bacon etc. goes superbly with a few packets of yumyum (but it's not exactly health food that way lol)
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:11 <n54> afaik all yumyum is made in thailand
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> never enough around for me to experiment.  :(
23:11 <n54> :)
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> I admit I'd probably like it more if I knew for sure it was eaten in thailand, not just made there for stupid white people
23:13 <n54> I first came across it in singapore, lots of people eat it there
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> ah, well then, that's good enough for me.  :)
23:13 <n54> and it's sold in a vietnamese store here in oslo (I always got o the same one)
23:13 <n54> so I think it's genuine :)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> I just get sick of foods being watered down for white people.  I want the genuine article, always.  Don't even waste my time with an imitation that assumes I can't eat it because my grandmother's anglo.
23:14 <n54> yup
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's not sold in mainstream grocery stores here, but in the alternative ones, like whole foods
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> or central market, which is a Texas thing
23:14 <n54> it's kind of weird because lots of european food is very spicy too
23:14 <n54> sounds smart
23:15 <n54> we have that some places in norway too, usually smaller places; "torg"
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, my grandmother might be anglo, but my half-italian dad eats pickled peperroncinis
23:15 <n54> :)
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> and I myself will likely develop ulcers because I love spicy mexican food
23:16 <n54> I've probably said it before but: hungarian dried peppers are very nice :)
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> yes, you have.  :)  Unavailable here, afaik.
23:16 <n54> here too :S
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> at least, not in a form I'd trust.  No hungarian immigrant population.
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23:17 <Lucifer_arma> that pretty much restricts me to mexican food, since the other immigrant populations in the area are generations-deep, ie no new immigrants.
23:17 <n54> it might not be a purely hungarian thing, I've just not come across it anywhere else
23:17 <n54> well mexican food is nice so  that's not really a problem:)
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, hungarian food has some...interesting spices
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I only know it from cookbooks...
23:18 <n54> I was a kid when I was there so I don't really know much about it
23:18  * Lucifer_arma has just remembered the greatest italian restaurant in texas is here in Austin
23:18 <n54> :)
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> imagine, in Austin of all places, an italian restaurant where the waiters speak broken english :)
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> there's no italian immigrant population here!  none!
23:19 <n54> recently they've begun selling something called pancione at local 7-11 here, ever tasted that?
23:19 <n54> huh, guess they're at the east coast?
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> better describe it.  I ate so much weird italian food as a kid that I never picked up names for.
23:20 <deja_vu_> hey *.*
23:20 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_Vu
23:20 -!- deja_Vu is now known as deja_vu
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> and my dad bitches we didn't eat enough because we were so far from his family
23:20 <n54> hmm it's sort of like a baked closed pizza that thinks it's a sandwich :)
23:20 <n54> hi deja-vu :)
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> I've eaten something like that.  :)  NOt sure it's not an american invention, though.
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> hi deja_vu 
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> have i seen you before?
23:21 <n54> only it's not tomato-based but has a salty butter something and cheese and a bit of pork
23:21 <deja_vu> http://www.towelday.kojv.net/ <- muha 
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> tomorrow, isn't it?
23:22  * Lucifer_arma has been running the Towel Day banner on his website since December
23:22 <n54> in europe it's today :)
23:22 <deja_vu> oh
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:22 <deja_vu> hehe
23:22 <n54> I'm not a bit fan of him but perhaps I should wear a towel when shopping food *gets arrested for public indecency*
23:22 <n54> XD
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:23 <deja_vu> xD
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> come on, if it weren't for Douglas Adams, the brits would be stuck with Shakespeare as their only worthwhile artistic contribution!
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23:23 <deja_vu> wearing just a towel would be an interesting variation ;)
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> you'd have to wear it around your head, though, so nobody would be able to see you're naked
23:24 <n54> lol
23:24 <n54> my kid half-brother used to think like that :)
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like a froopy frood
23:25  * Lucifer_arma goes to rifle around the pantry for some food
23:25 <n54> what's a froopy frood? :)
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> someone who knows where his towel is
23:28 <n54> ok :)
23:39 <n54> on british authors; read any terry pratchett?
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