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Log from 2006-05-21:
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00:16 <Lucifer_arma> hey, my curses script just started spontaneously restoring the terminal back to how it was.  So the problem it had is gone now.  that's good.  :)
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00:19 <n54> ?? restoring the terminal?
00:19 <n54> what problem did it have?
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> it left me with a terminal that wouldn't echo output
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> er, input
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> so I couldn't see what I was typing :)
00:22 <n54> oh
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking of going with Tank's suggestion to use debian instead of dsl
00:23 <n54> yeah?
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> dsl looks really good for the purpose, but I'm concerned about starting in with a completely new distribution.
00:24 <n54> did it lack pyhon or something like that?
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> it lacks python in the base install, but it's in the repo.
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> might also lack moosic, I didn't check.  I'm willing to build from source if necessary for some of this stuff, though.
00:24 <n54> mm yeah I don't think it will feel completely new though but hey it's something easily changed anyhow :)
00:25 <n54> yeah probably lacks moosic
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is.  :)
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm definitely leaning towards a LFS sort of thing in the vision.
00:25 <n54> you could even multiboot if your eqlly want to ;) j/k
00:25 <n54> really*
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's easy to say "customize mandrake" or "customize debian".
00:26  * Lucifer_arma wonders how easy it is to build a custom debian anyway
00:26 <n54> I don't know, the thing about LFS that appeals to me is that you wont have to decide allt he stuff to cut, instead you can build from the bottom up with only what you need - still I haven't done that either (yet) :D
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that same trait is there with gentoo, actually.  The advantage gentoo brings is portage.
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> but there's something to be said for making a custom package manager for the task.  A desktop package manager will likely incur dependency resolutions that will just bloat the system without adding anything useful
00:28 <n54> but then I fell in loe with obsd so first thing first for me (i.e. I won't get anywhere before years have passed lol)
00:28 <n54> love*
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> space isn't really at a premium in the long run, I'll get a bigger hard drive.
00:28 <n54> yeah but your not wanting a desktop so...
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> last I saw, *bsd had, umm, I don't want to say bad hardware support, but maybe not general purpose hardware support?
00:29 <GodTodd> that brings up my question....i'm looking to make a linux box.....i've downloaded the gentoo iso because it looks to be the most customizable distro...is that a decent place to start?
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> how about "I feel more confident that Linux will support most of the hardware I throw at it, and I'm already going to be looking at using obscure hardware"
00:29 <n54> absolutely right, it's not what it's made for, at least not obsd, so don't use for that unless you really want to :)
00:29 <n54> use it*
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I wouldn't, to be honest.  Or rather, I didn't.  :)
00:30 <GodTodd> well...i know...you liked mandrake...is that a better jumping off point?
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> there are levels of customizability that you have to consider.  FOr a new user, Gentoo doesn't provide any more customizability imo than anybody else
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> where gentoo's customizable is much closer to the metal.  in fact, consider the questions I'm asking about this car computer and ask yourself "Am I asking these same kinds of questions for a desktop?"
00:31 <n54> I think any will do GodTodd, people change distros like underwear anyhow ;D
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> if the answer is "no", go with Kubuntu or Mandriva.  :)
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> actually, ummm, hang on
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/node/17
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> y'all know I hate repeating myself....  ;)
00:32 <GodTodd> lol :P
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> Towel Day is in 4 days.  Don't forget your towel on May 25!  Show everyone how froopy you really are.
00:33 <GodTodd> main thing i'm looking for is the learning factor and hardware support
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't list Kubuntu on there, but it's what I'm using now, so think about it carefully
00:34 <n54> towel day?
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> towel day = douglas adams's birthday
00:35 <GodTodd> kubuntu....that a good one....says it's an easy to use distro....
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> umm, go with Mandriva.  You can throw it away later if you need to.
00:35 <n54> or knoppix (it also uses kde by deafult)
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> Kubuntu is a really nice distribution, but there are, um, traits that I don't know how they look to a noob
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, go with your gut.  :)
00:35 <n54> default*
00:35 <n54> yeah any will do really
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> If you use Kubuntu, I can give current help.  If you use Mandriva I'll just say "Well, last time I used it it was like this..."
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> If you use pretty much anything else, sorry from me.
00:36 <GodTodd> well...i've run a couple linux distros before....just didn't get too into the guts when my dialup wouldn't work on them....that's how long its been :)
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> however
00:36 <n54> and if you ever want to learn about real *nix then try a bsd ;D
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> anjori (who's absent presently) really digs MEPIS
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> he (she?  never have found out) says MEPIS is really good for new users
00:37 <GodTodd> hmmm....i'll look into that one too...
00:37 <n54> on internet? check! on irc? check! cender male? 89% positive!
00:37 <GodTodd> karen basically gave me the kitchen machine today to do with what i please ;)
00:38 <n54> netbsd can run on a toaster... in case it's _that_ kind of a kitchen machine :)
00:38 <GodTodd> well....it's a snail with XPensive on it
00:39 <GodTodd> i'd get the sys stats...but i don't have the patience for an 8 hour wait ;)
00:39 <GodTodd> heh
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'd have to say the most important part of my own experience has nothing to do with which distribution you pick
00:39 <n54> yes, the important stuff is all more or less the same anyhow
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> See, at first I did it as a dual-boot, figuring I could keep working and doing important stuff in Windows and "evaluate" linux at my leisure
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> that meant the evaluation never happened.
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> Reason?  If I dont' actually work and do important stuff on it, how the hell can I know if it's any good for me?
00:40 <n54> yes I fell in the same trap way back when I ran redhat
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, I don't play with operating systems.  And I don't switch much.
00:40 <GodTodd> exactly...that's how it was with my 5 boot system back then
00:40 <n54> more than one machine is the solution really
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> Sure, there are people who collect operating systems and just play around with them.
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not one of them.
00:41 <n54> I am :) but I don't collect distros
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> So when I finally realized what was going on, I backed up the system, reformatted with just Mandrake on it, and went from there
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> never looked back.
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> so whatever you do, make sure you've got a good idea why you're doing it to begin with and try to have some realistic view of how it'll actually work.
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> I think too many people fail not just at using Linux but at all sorts of other things because they just jump in without really knowing why they were jumping in
00:42 <GodTodd> yeah....that's why i want to start with one machine....once i know what to expect then i'll reformat my laptop
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good idea.  :)  I have to admit that my dual boot experience also provided me with an idea what to expect, and I couldn't have jumped in later without it.
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> how old is the laptop?
00:43 <GodTodd> heh....it's a lot like religion....i only jumped into windows because it was what i knew....now that i can choose i don't want windows heh
00:43 <GodTodd> bought it around thanksgiving
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> brand spanking new?
00:44 <n54> it should _not_ be like religion, really :)
00:44 <GodTodd> kinda....sempron processor....7 or 800 MHz....
00:44 <n54> dell?
00:44 <GodTodd> hp
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmm.  Better take an inventory of all the pieces-parts and google them with "linux" appended
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> linux on laptops isn't pretty.
00:45 <GodTodd> yeah
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> there's a chance you stumbled across the hp laptop tht also comes ina  linux flavor and you wont' have any problems, though.  :)
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> Does it have wireless ethernet?
00:45 <GodTodd> well...i had redhat on a previous laptop 2 or 3 years ago....ran better than xp did heh
00:45 <GodTodd> yes
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> what's the card it uses?
00:45 <GodTodd> i'd hafta dig for that info
00:45 <GodTodd> it's integrated
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> better find out.  I think Sempron has as one of its available wireless adapters the evil broadcom one.
00:47 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:47  * Luke-Jr notes his experience w/ Linux on a laptop was okay
00:48 <Luke-Jr> w/o planning
00:48 <Luke-Jr> but it didn't involve WiFi either =p
00:48 <GodTodd> hmmm....just how much trouble would wireless connectivity in linux be WITH the broadcom WLAN?
00:48 <GodTodd> :/
00:49 <n54> it would probably require some digging, but afaik wlan stuff is getting pretty good, some people take drivers from netbsd too, but in general it seems it's an easy stumbeling block
00:50 <n54> /s/easy/common
00:50 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: depends on what kind of connectivity
00:50  * n54 avoids using wireless, no personal experience
00:50 <Luke-Jr> I think you could get WEP-less 802.11
00:50 <Luke-Jr> *with very experimental drivers
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> you have to install ndiswrapper and use the windows driver
00:50 <Luke-Jr> nonsense
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm using it here on my laptop, so it's possible :)
00:51 <Luke-Jr> you need to compile CVS code for Broadcom drivers
00:51 <Luke-Jr> the hard work of many developers doing a clean-room reverse engineer
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> In fact, Kubuntu's worked like a charm out of the box, whereas the last Mandriva I ran required me to download the newest ndiswrappers and build it from source
00:51 <Luke-Jr> someone should tell Luci ndiswrapper is dumb and unnecessary now =p
00:51 <Luke-Jr> since he's ignoring me
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> the other thing that can be hard is getting the right resolution
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> used to be that Mandrake only shipped with 4:3 aspect ratios in their x config file.  So if you had a wide screen, you had to hack that file, and it wasn't easy.
00:53 <Luke-Jr> X -configure
00:53 <GodTodd> i'm kinda leaning toward kubuntu i think....as a first step....well a first step in years ;)
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> this laptop had a particularly nasty problem in Mandriva that I don't even entirely remember, just that I wound up doing trial and error with very dangerous config items
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> I've got the NForce chipset, which includes an onboard GeForce II or something like that, which is well supported.
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> it was just the particular LCD that's in here that I had to hack to account for.
00:54 <Luke-Jr> nVidia stuff isn't well supported generally
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> Most everything else works pretty well, but those two particular shitbangers aren't just things that don't work well often enough for my tastes,
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> they're also a really big pain in the wazzooo to fix
00:55 <Luke-Jr> ideal is an ATi 9250 chipset
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> 3d acceleration is also touch and go sometimes, depends entirely on your adapter
00:55 <Luke-Jr> 3D is no-go with nVidia or ATi post-9250
00:56 <GodTodd> ati radeon xpress 200M for the laptop adapter it seems
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> and again, Mandriva had me download the binary nvidia drivers from nvidia's website, which then had to build their adapter because they didn't support my kernel already, and failed to build because of a silly bug
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> I'd expect good ati support in general, but I've never experienced it because I've never had an ati (except in my now-deceased thinkpad, but 3d acceleration was a laughing matter on tht thing)
00:57 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: eck
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> but Kubuntu gave me the nvidia drivers and they just worked out of the box.
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> now, that all said and done, Kubuntu hasn't been the paradise it might sound like.
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> apt-get will refuse to install stuff if it breaks other things, which is a good thing, right?  But, hmmm.
00:58 <GodTodd> not looking for paradise...would actually prefer a FEW problems so that i can fix them
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> Say you have library a.1, and program b depends on a.2.  a.1 and a.2 are binary compatible with each other.
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> half your system depends on a.1 and will automatically uninstall if you uninstall a.1.  But you'd like to fool with program b.
00:58 <n54> hehe
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> so sometimes apt-get will tell you that a.2 and a.1 can't be installed together, and it'll refuse to install program b because of it's a.2 dependency
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> so you have to install a.1-devel and build program b from source if you want it.
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> not terribly painful, but Kubuntu aims to not require people to do that, and we're tlaking packages int heir repository.
01:00 <Luke-Jr> lame
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> here's an annoyance bug, and I really mean "bug".  If I unplug my usb laser printer and plug it into a different port, Mandriva disables it.
01:02 <GodTodd> heh
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> Erm, I think the server's running Mandrake, from before the name change.
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, and in case it ever matters, forget about sharing home directories across distributions.  I've had to cleanup so much shit from sharing my home directory between Mandriva and Kubuntu.
01:05 <GodTodd> mandrake 8.1....that's from a while ago, isn't it? ;)
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have a lost+found menu item that hovering over it filled up my whole screen
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Mandrake 8.1's pretty old now
01:06 <GodTodd> i figured....since i installed it like 5 years or so ago
01:06 <GodTodd> heh
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> hm, that sounds about right.
01:06 <Luke-Jr> ilol
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I think I started with that one.
01:06 <GodTodd> yeah...that's the first one i did
01:06 <GodTodd> that and redhat 8
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> RedHat 7.2 is the one I installed on the dual-booter intending to evaluate Linux.
01:07 <GodTodd> 7.2 is what came with my linux book in college
01:08 <Luke-Jr> the first I tried was RedHat 5.2, IIRC
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you want to get the fuzzies during installation, Mandriva's installer was looking damn nice.  Kubuntu's looks like it's still curses-based
01:08 <GodTodd> well....ok...it was actually a unix class...but it was 'learning unix using linux'
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> I could be smoking something, though.
01:08 <GodTodd> wow...i actually have a slackware 1.0 cd...
01:08 <GodTodd> :/
01:08 <Luke-Jr> saw it at a computer fair thing and said "I think I heard something about that" so bought it =p
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go grab a smoke, I think.  And ponder this car player script I'm working on
01:09 <GodTodd> have fun :)
01:10 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: ...
01:11 <GodTodd> yep?
01:11 <Luke-Jr> just was wondering if I'm on your ignore list also
01:11 <Luke-Jr> and my comments aren't going into /dev/null
01:11 <GodTodd> nope...i don't ignore anyone
01:11 <Luke-Jr> heh
01:11 <Luke-Jr> neither do I
01:11 <Luke-Jr> thought I pretend to once in a while
01:11 <Luke-Jr> though*
01:11 <Luke-Jr> ignoring is broken in concept, IMO
01:12 <Luke-Jr> it will just confuse the ignorer =p
01:12 <GodTodd> i'm one of those that likes to see people act stupid...and if you ignore them then that takes the fun out of life heh
01:13 <Luke-Jr> =p
01:15  * Luke-Jr pokes at filenames with spaces
01:16 <GodTodd> fuck that....i'm not paying for a linux trial run
01:16 <GodTodd> heh
01:16 <GodTodd> mepis is out
01:17 <Luke-Jr> mepis isn't too new...
01:18 <GodTodd> oh wait...nvm....found the ftp mirrors
01:18 <GodTodd> must be that you pay for support
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> class MoosicPlayer(object):    <---- :)
02:12 <GodTodd> once the kubuntu iso is burnt, the resulting disk is bootable, right?
02:13 <n54> yeah
02:13 <GodTodd> k
02:13 <GodTodd> not going to mess with it tonight/this morning i don't think...but should have the disk needed now :)
02:13 <n54> :)
02:18 <guru3> back
02:18 <n54> hi :)
02:19 <n54> btw in case you haven't noticed there's an ongoing attack on freenode by some loser cracker, just do you don't be surprised if someone drops by, changes the topic, kicks people etc. etc.
02:19 <n54> so*
02:19 <guru3> ok...
02:20 <n54> it's mainly in #freenode-social and #wikipedia and other larger channels
02:20 <guru3> k
02:20 <guru3> btw, what was the last post you made on the test forums?
02:21 <n54> hmm me wondering about Gnorty comparing ali with osama and some such
02:21 <n54> nothing important, just my puzzlement :)
02:22 <guru3> that's what i thought
02:22 <n54> but the threads didn't go "read" after I read new ones, probably a db thing
02:22 <guru3> they have for me
02:23 <n54> hmm ok
02:24 <n54> I usually hit refresh after moving through the new stuff page, and usually (always before) that changes "new" to "read" if you get what I mean, didn't happen when testing
02:25 <guru3> more people need to post
02:25 <n54> yeah
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> yay.  object-oriented media player now :)
02:26 <n54> hehe
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> but man, moosic's default settings just plain don't work.
02:27 <n54> really?
02:27 <n54> huh
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  :(
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> it could be Kubuntu's defaults, or Kubuntu just has crappy builds of the underlying programs
02:28 <n54> you could always mail him, looks like a small personal project so he might appreciate it a lot
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to have to hack on it sooner or later.  :)  It doesn't recover smoothly when it doesn't work, for example if sox is missing.
02:29 <n54> ok
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> I should probably start listing the programs needed and trace through all the dependencies.  Anything I do for building the distribution will be better if I know exactly what I need.  :)
02:30 <n54> :)
02:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o n54] by ChanServ
02:40 <guru3> wow that does work
02:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o n54] by ChanServ
02:40 <n54> yup
02:40 <guru3> breakfast bbl
02:40 <n54> cya
02:52 <guru3> back
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07:48 <wrtlprnft> yay the smiley is fixed :)
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08:22 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: would you mind installing that antispam hack i made? they're spamming everyday around midnight, it's annoying
08:23 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Lucifer_arma would you mind installing that antispam hack i made? they're spamming everyday around midnight, it's annoying
08:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:01 <wrtlprnft> #later tell McSpiddles ok, there is a match against AW at 1AM CDT/8PM GMT today. I won't be there, I trust you guys to organize yourselves
09:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:01 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Self_Destructo ok, there is a match against AW at 1AM CDT/8PM GMT today. I won't be there, I trust you guys to organize yourselves
09:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:05 <McSpiddles> qrtl
09:05 <McSpiddles> wrtl
09:05 <McSpiddles> what's that gmt -6?
09:05 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles
09:05 <wrtlprnft> that's your time zone
09:05 <McSpiddles> i think
09:05 <wrtlprnft> it's 11 hours from now
09:05 <wrtlprnft> and it's gmt-5
09:06 <wrtlprnft> ack
09:06 <McSpiddles> all i know is i'm central :p
09:06 <wrtlprnft> wrong way
09:06 <McSpiddles> no
09:06 <wrtlprnft> 1AM GMT/8PM CDT
09:06 <McSpiddles> it's gmt -6
09:06 <McSpiddles> my time
09:06 <wrtlprnft> nope
09:06 <wrtlprnft> that would be CST
09:06 <McSpiddles> gmt -6 is central time US&Canada
09:06 <wrtlprnft> CDT is daylight savings time
09:07 <wrtlprnft> trust me, during summer it is gmt-5
09:07 <McSpiddles> k
09:07 <McSpiddles> anways
09:07 <McSpiddles> so it's at
09:07 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Self_Destructo sorry, mixup. It should say 1AM GMT/8PM CDT
09:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:07 <McSpiddles> 8?
09:07 <McSpiddles> 8pm*?
09:08 <wrtlprnft> yes. 8PM, 20:00
09:08 <McSpiddles> k
09:08 <wrtlprnft> whatever it is in 8 hours 52 minutes from now
09:08 <McSpiddles> post in the city?
09:08 <wrtlprnft> yes
09:08 <McSpiddles> 8 hours?
09:08 <McSpiddles> you said 11 >.>
09:08 <wrtlprnft> ack
09:08 <wrtlprnft> yes, 11
09:08 <wrtlprnft> s10 hours 51 minutes
09:09 <wrtlprnft> 10 hours 51 minutes
09:09 <McSpiddles> lol
09:09 <McSpiddles> yea i think that's about 8pm
09:09 <wrtlprnft> go to the city sometime before the match starts and tell people...
09:09 <wrtlprnft> and kick some ass!
09:10 <McSpiddles> :p
09:10 <McSpiddles> why not post now
09:10 <McSpiddles> so people will know ahead of time
09:10 <wrtlprnft> it is posted, but people tend not to read it
09:10 <wrtlprnft> http://microbuscity.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=88958#88958
09:11 <McSpiddles> hmm
09:11 <McSpiddles> ebder can't play
09:11 <McSpiddles> :s
09:11 <McSpiddles> ender*
09:11 <wrtlprnft> how do you know?
09:12 <McSpiddles> sry for missing. Sad i wont be on the grid much for a little while.
09:12 <McSpiddles> plus
09:12 <McSpiddles> SD won't be back till monday
09:12 <wrtlprnft> that post is more than a month old
09:12 <McSpiddles> i so knew that
09:12 <McSpiddles> :s
09:12 <wrtlprnft> look at the date
09:12 <McSpiddles> yea,just saw it
09:12 <McSpiddles> lol
09:13 <wrtlprnft> sure you can talk to 2020 and try to move it
09:13 <McSpiddles> why won't you be here?
09:13 <McSpiddles> :/
09:13 <wrtlprnft> birthday party of someone
09:13 <wrtlprnft> real life :P
09:13 <McSpiddles> lol
09:13 <McSpiddles> k
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09:14 <McSpiddles> so
09:14 <McSpiddles> if we lose this one we're out?
09:14 <wrtlprnft> yep
09:14 <z-man> spoon trouble?
09:14 <McSpiddles> then i guess i can't let that happen :p
09:14 <wrtlprnft> yes
09:14 <wrtlprnft> then play, get people on the grid :P
09:15 <McSpiddles> yea,yea
09:15 <McSpiddles> i wanna make breakfast,but i'm too tired to get up
09:15 <wrtlprnft> if you want high- ping practice, my spoon server is up
09:15 <McSpiddles> :/
09:16 <McSpiddles> all we really need is ota,eagle,kan,and me
09:16 <wrtlprnft> it should have about the same settings and features as z-man's, but it can only hold 8 people
09:16 <McSpiddles> which server?
09:16 <wrtlprnft> uh, and i can give you the admin_pass if you really want
09:17 <wrtlprnft> "wrtl's spoon fortress"
09:17 <McSpiddles> your server?
09:17 <McSpiddles> k
09:17 <wrtlprnft> yes
09:18 <McSpiddles> eh
09:18 <McSpiddles> i forgot
09:18 <McSpiddles> it's been raining all night
09:18 <McSpiddles> :/
09:18 <wrtlprnft> but, of course it's CVS HEAD, so the code is different than z-man's servers
09:18 <McSpiddles> is there gonna be a match on z-man's spoon server at the same time?
09:18 <wrtlprnft> and it has the shooting hack, but i disabled it
09:19 <wrtlprnft> no
09:19 <McSpiddles> why not use his,my ping's between 160-180 on it
09:19 <wrtlprnft> but you wanted me to create that server a while ago, and there it is
09:19 <McSpiddles> yea,for practice :p
09:19 <wrtlprnft> mine is not suitable for matches anyways
09:19 <wrtlprnft> limit of 8 ppl
09:19 <McSpiddles> cause we're gonna need alot of it,if we win this one
09:20 <wrtlprnft> then go, get people together. i have to go in 10 minutes
09:20 <wrtlprnft> I'll be back at around 2PM, but only for a bit more than an hour
09:20 <McSpiddles> k,i'll watch my little armaspy thingy :p
09:21 <wrtlprnft> :D
09:21 <McSpiddles> and eat breakfast,if i ever get off my ass
09:21 <McSpiddles> oh,i might not be able to play
09:21 <wrtlprnft> D:
09:21 <McSpiddles> unless the rain dries up quick
09:22 <McSpiddles> my ping was pretty high in cvs
09:22 <wrtlprnft> that auomatically means we lose
09:22 <McSpiddles> i can try,but if it keeps raining i'ma slide like  bitch
09:22 <wrtlprnft> nice internet connection you have
09:22 <McSpiddles> no shit
09:22 <McSpiddles> charter doesn't use weather proof cable box's
09:23 <McSpiddles> reminds me,i forgot to call and bitch about it
09:23 <wrtlprnft> lol
09:24 <McSpiddles> when i upgrade to the 5mbit line,my ping should drop to 130-140
09:24 <McSpiddles> "when it doesn't rain"
09:24 <wrtlprnft> 5mbit up or down?
09:24 <McSpiddles> down
09:24 <wrtlprnft> bah
09:24 <McSpiddles> i got 3mbit now
09:24 <McSpiddles> lol
09:24 <wrtlprnft> don't think it'll help
09:25 <wrtlprnft> what's your uprate?
09:25 <McSpiddles> of course it will,my upload will go from 256 to around 765
09:25 <McSpiddles> or something like that
09:25 <wrtlprnft> hmm nice
09:25 <McSpiddles> that'd be around 80kb/s up
09:25 <wrtlprnft> at home it is 512 up and it still only hosts 8 players :(
09:25 <McSpiddles> i get like 30kb/s 40 on a good day
09:25 <McSpiddles> only?
09:25 <McSpiddles> dude
09:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
09:26 <McSpiddles> i can have 5-8 on mine when i host it
09:26 <McSpiddles> with good pings
09:26 <McSpiddles> if i stop all other services
09:26 <McSpiddles> heh
09:26 <wrtlprnft> that's probably because my server sucks
09:26 <wrtlprnft> 400MH
09:26 <wrtlprnft> z
09:26 <McSpiddles> hmmm
09:26 <McSpiddles> sec
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09:27 <wrtlprnft> well, g2g, cya
09:27 <spidey> i have 2 of these box's
09:27 <spidey> OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 (Build #2600) CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz Video: Plug and Play Monitor on Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller (1280x1024x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: SoundMAX Digital Audio Memory: Used: 265/376MB Uptime: 2d 8h 3m 51s HD: [C:] 75.90/111.75 GB [D:] 8.81/12.72 GB Connection: ADMtek AN983 based ethernet adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 1080.47MB Sent: 
09:27 <McSpiddles> k,cya
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09:56 <ghableska> hello
09:56 <MaZuffeR> hi ghab
09:56 <ghableska> hi maz
10:00 <ghableska> how are you?
10:00 <MaZuffeR> good
10:06 <guru3> n54: i see what you mean now
10:07 <guru3> i think that's caused by the domain stuff
10:07 <guru3> but i'm not 100% sure
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11:59 <guru3> well
11:59 <guru3> because the forums are being slow
11:59 <guru3> i them up on a distributed database
12:02 <wrtlprnft> z-man: is there any documentation on sensors? I'm kinda helpless...
12:02 <z-man> I'm afraid not
12:02 <wrtlprnft> i just want to find the nearest wall to a given cycle
12:02 <guru3> wrtlprnft: look at the chatbot code
12:02 <guru3> it's used there
12:03 <guru3> like exactly as you describe wanting to use it
12:03 <wrtlprnft> what's is that the general AI code?
12:03 <z-man> Right, the chatbot code is a good choice
12:03 <wrtlprnft> i was trying the camera, with no success
12:03 <guru3> chatbot code is reactive
12:03 <guru3> the main ai code
12:03 <guru3> is much more
12:03 <wrtlprnft> you know, how the smartcam moves up if you are close to a wall
12:04 <guru3> yeah
12:04 <guru3> well
12:04 <guru3> chatbot is the place
12:04 <guru3> gSensors up in there
12:04 <z-man> The chatbot resides in gCycle::Timestep
12:05 <guru3> it checks the one
12:05 <guru3> is chatting flag
12:05 <z-man> can't miss it, comment says "activate chat AI"
12:05 <wrtlprnft> oh, thanks, i was already looking
12:05 <wrtlprnft> didn't found a gChatbot or gAutoPilit
12:05 <wrtlprnft> *didn't find
12:05 <z-man> Yeah, it's to primitive it doesn't even get a class of its own :)
12:06 <guru3> i did write my own variants a while back
12:06 <guru3> some of them were actually ok
12:10 <wrtlprnft> ah, sweet. Thanks
12:12 <wrtlprnft> uh, do those things eat lots of CPU? how big should i set the range?
12:13 <z-man> As big as you need it
12:14 <z-man> They aren't really resource intensive, every cylce casts five per frame
12:14 <z-man> short ranged ones, that is
12:14 <z-man> but sensors across the whole map are probably a bad idea right now :)
12:15 <guru3> i set up the database bit from my home server to the forums server in compressed ssh tunnels as suggested
12:15 <z-man> I always wanted to make them actually stop on the first hit, but never came around to do that
12:16 <wrtlprnft> well, i want to make it a callback for the cockpit, and they can't take parameters
12:16 <guru3> lol
12:19 <wrtlprnft> well, I'll just assume that you're not interested in a wall that's more than 5 seconds away
12:20 <guru3> you're doing distances in terms of time?
12:20 <wrtlprnft> well
12:20 <wrtlprnft> the speed of the cycle times 5 seconds, of course
12:24 <guru3> *groan*
12:24 <wrtlprnft> hah, that gauge is sweet. That'll be a huge advantage on fortress
12:24 <guru3> times are going to be a big issue
12:24 <wrtlprnft> so you know if that guy outgrinded you or not
12:24 <guru3> really
12:24 <guru3> the sensors need to tell you the speed of who evers wall it is
12:25 <wrtlprnft> i could do that, but what's the point?
12:25 <guru3> well if the guy is right next to you on your right
12:25 <guru3> hmm
12:25 <guru3> it just seemed like a useful idea
12:26 <guru3> domain name resolutions in a webbrowser are usually cached right>
12:26 <guru3> ?
12:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, i think so
12:26 <wrtlprnft> depends on the browser
12:26 <guru3> okay
12:26 <wrtlprnft> and some routers have their own caching DNS proxy
12:27 <guru3> that's ok then
12:27 <wrtlprnft> depends on the browser == IE doesn't
12:28 <guru3> blargh
12:28 <wrtlprnft> :P
12:28 <wrtlprnft> at least i think so
12:28 <guru3> yeah but there's a windows service iirc
12:28 <guru3> that caches
12:28 <guru3> and is enabled by default
12:29 <wrtlprnft> might be. I'm not into windows
12:29 <guru3> ok i've just synced the clocks on the two servers
12:30 <guru3> hopefully that won't fuck up too much other stuff...
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12:49 <McSpiddles> wrtl
12:49 <McSpiddles> you back till the match?
12:50 <wrtlprnft> no
12:50 <McSpiddles> :(
12:50 <wrtlprnft> I'll be gone at around 3
12:55 <McSpiddles> i'ma go see what my ping's like it stopped raining
12:55 <McSpiddles> brb
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13:01 <ghableska> hi
13:07 <wrtlprnft> hi there
13:08  * ghableska has computer problems... :(
13:08 <wrtlprnft> of what kind?
13:08 <ghableska> not sure
13:09 <ghableska> see, everything was running fine yesterday, and when I started my computer up today, I got this weird error message
13:09 <wrtlprnft> what message?
13:10 <ghableska> That said "The application or DLL C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSVCP71.dll is not a valid Windows image. Please check this against your installation diskette.
13:10 <wrtlprnft> and it still boots?
13:11 <ghableska> if I try to start up norton antivirus, it gives me the same message
13:11 <ghableska> yes, it boots up
13:11 <ghableska> but a few other windows programs aren't working either
13:11 <wrtlprnft> hmm. might be a virus, not sure
13:11 <ghableska> :(
13:12 <ghableska> and the windows search isn't working...
13:12 <ghableska> or error-checking
13:13 <wrtlprnft> no real clue, sorry
13:13 <ghableska> that's fine
13:15 <GodTodd> replace the dll
13:15 <GodTodd> Microsoft� C Runtime Library, v. 7.10.3077.0
13:15 <ghableska> hmm?
13:15 <GodTodd> that error is usually a corrupt dll
13:16 <GodTodd> just dl and install a new copy
13:16 <ghableska> where could I download a dll?
13:17 <GodTodd> http://www.dll-download.net/msvcp71.html
13:17 <ghableska> thansk
13:17 <ghableska> *thanks
13:18 <ghableska> brb
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13:24 <ghableska> it didn't work
13:24 <ghableska> I still get the same error message on startup...
13:25 <GodTodd> hmmm
13:25 <wrtlprnft> check if it's still the exact same file you downloaded
13:26 <ghableska> yes, it is
13:27 <wrtlprnft> how do you know?
13:27 <wrtlprnft> md5sum?
13:27 <ghableska> ?
13:27 <ghableska> well, the sizes are the same...
13:27 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia md5sum
13:27 <wrtlprnft> that doesn't say anything
13:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.43 seconds: Md5sum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum>; Lua Player - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_Player>; Wikipedia:Database download - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download>; Knoppix STD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
13:27 <ghableska> oh :X
13:27 <ghableska> well, you're talking to a computer ignoramus here ;)
13:28  * wrtlprnft has no idea on how to calculate md5sums on a windows box
13:34 <McSpiddles> yer
13:34 <McSpiddles> i have a little slide,but it's playable
13:35 <wrtlprnft> w00t
13:35 <wrtlprnft> i LOVE those new gauges
13:35 <ghableska> hmm, and Windows Update won't work either...
13:35 <McSpiddles> what's wrong ghab?
13:36 <ghableska> everything
13:36 <McSpiddles> like what?
13:36 <ghableska> things aren't working.... 
13:36 <McSpiddles> hmm
13:37 <McSpiddles> wanna try something for me?
13:37 <ghableska> sure...
13:37 <ghableska> what?
13:37 <McSpiddles> start > run > cmd
13:37 <McSpiddles> see if it starts cmdprompt
13:37 <ghableska> yes
13:37 <McSpiddles> k,try ping and netstat
13:38 <ghableska> what am I supposed to be seeing?
13:38 <McSpiddles> some malware replaces the cmdprompt commands with .coms
13:38 <ghableska> doesn't look like it
13:38 <McSpiddles> if it didn't work i'd say you got alot of malware
13:38 <McSpiddles> lol
13:39 <McSpiddles> whatexactly is it doing?
13:39 <McSpiddles> the system that is...
13:39 <ghableska> well, i'm getting this weird error message on startup
13:39 <McSpiddles> that is?
13:40 <ghableska> The application or DLL c:\windows\system32\msvcp71.dll is not a valid Windows image. PLease check this against your installation diskette
13:40 <McSpiddles> sec
13:40 <ghableska> brb
13:43 <McSpiddles> lol
13:43 <McSpiddles> i got alot of spyware :/
13:43 <McSpiddles> anywho
13:49 <ghableska> g2g, but i'll probably be back in about an hour
13:49 <ghableska> thanks for the help
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14:14 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=47691#47691
14:14 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:15 <wrtlprnft> if your scrollback doesn't reach far enough: a) extend your scrollback b) ask politely what this discussion is about without making a negative comment, or c) STFU
14:15 <McSpiddles> O_o
14:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Luke-Jr 
14:19 <wrtlprnft> d) use http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt , e) make your negative comment and expect to be silenced after a while
14:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I'm not referring to negative comments
14:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, Lucifer_arma is when silencing you
14:26 <Luke-Jr> nope
14:26 <wrtlprnft> but?
14:26 <wrtlprnft> negative and pointless comments
14:27 <Luke-Jr> nothing negative, just pointless because you had apparently already covered that concern
14:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah. and you did not get that message and brought that discussion up again
14:27 <Luke-Jr> "We already thought of that" is a proper response
14:28 <wrtlprnft> let's see if that helps with you. i doubt it
14:51 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Special:Log/block
14:51 <wrtlprnft> > 13:48, 21 May 2006 Wrtlprnft blocked "User:Wrtlprnft" with an expiry time of 1 minute (test)
14:51 <wrtlprnft> never thought i could block myself
14:52 <Luke-Jr> ...
14:53 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Luke-Jr --with ...
14:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [14:52:12] <Luke-Jr> ...
14:53 <wrtlprnft> aww, just one. I'm sure if armabot had a longer history it would be enough to force a #more
14:56 <Luke-Jr> ...
14:56 <Luke-Jr> try w/o the limit thing
14:56 <wrtlprnft> another one. my logs count 10 now
14:56 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Luke-Jr --with ... --nolimit
14:56 <Luke-Jr> --nolimit or something?
14:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [14:56:36] <Luke-Jr> ..., [14:52:12] <Luke-Jr> ..., [01:17:53] <Luke-Jr> mepis isn't too new..., [01:11:03] <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: ..., and [00:47:18] <Luke-Jr> ...
14:57 <wrtlprnft> yay, 3 alone in there
14:57 <Luke-Jr> hehe
14:58 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Luke-Jr --regex /^\.\{3}$/ --nolimit
14:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1866 messages.
14:58 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Luke-Jr --regex /^\.{3}$/ --nolimit
14:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [14:56:36] <Luke-Jr> ..., [14:52:12] <Luke-Jr> ..., and [00:47:18] <Luke-Jr> ...
15:00 <z-man> could one of the non-admins here try to commit something to CVSROOT? I hope I disabled that :)
15:00 <wrtlprnft> how?
15:00 <z-man> Check it out like any other module: cvs co CVSROOT
15:00 <wrtlprnft> kk
15:01 <z-man> best file to modify is "avail"
15:01 <Luke-Jr> z-man: disable the 'armagetron' modules too?
15:01 <z-man> just try to add avail|wrtl at the end
15:01 <z-man> Luke-Jr: sure
15:02 <z-man> but if we test commits to that, that'd be a bit stupid if they fail, right?
15:02 <Luke-Jr> hm?
15:02 <z-man> If the test fails, a commit gets through and modifies the module
15:03 <wrtlprnft> **** Access denied: Insufficient Karma (wrtlprnft|CVSROOT|)
15:03 <wrtlprnft> cvs commit: Pre-commit check failed
15:03 <wrtlprnft> cvs [commit aborted]: correct above errors first!
15:03 <wrtlprnft> cvs commit: saving log message in /tmp/cvsUk1cnO
15:03 <z-man> hehe
15:03 <z-man> Well, next life, perhaps :)
15:03 <wrtlprnft> lol
15:05 <Luke-Jr> z-man: FYI, I don't really acknowledge formal leadership of the project by anyone-- I just weigh people's opinions and such based on how much respect they deserve and their knowledge on the topic. With you and guru3 as leaders, that worked out fine since you generally made the two things effectively one in the same, but I doubt it will be such for Lucifer.
15:06 <wrtlprnft> doesn't look like there's much control anyways. most of their binding decisions are common sense
15:06 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: hence why I don't think Lucifer will fit in well
15:06 <wrtlprnft> as long as z-man and guru3 agree there is no difference anyways
15:06 <z-man> Lucifer won't get anything silly past Tank and me
15:07 <wrtlprnft> not that i say Lucifer_arma would make bad decisions
15:07 <z-man> Just in case, yes :)
15:07 <wrtlprnft> I guess most of the time all three will agree
15:07 <Luke-Jr> what ever happened to the idea of just having each of us be an authority over the code we know better?
15:08 <Luke-Jr> eg, wrtl would authoritate over cockpit; I over resources; ph over maps; etc
15:08 <z-man> You still have that, as long as you don't mess up
15:08 <wrtlprnft> that would make z-man the total super- admin
15:08 <z-man> that's included in the 'we won't micromanage" paragraph
15:09 <Luke-Jr> z-man: sometimes it doesn't seem like it, when Lucifer decides to reinvent a new resource system ignoring anything I say
15:09 <z-man> I mean, what would be the point? Most of the time, you're all doing good work without supervision
15:09 <z-man> He only ignores the silly bits.
15:09 <z-man> the ones where you ignore everything everyone else said
15:09 <Luke-Jr> he's still pushing ZIP within resources
15:09 <wrtlprnft> i'm gonna strongly consider anything you three say no matter if it's binding or not
15:09 <z-man> as is everyone else except you :)
15:10 <z-man> that last one was for the ZIP
15:10 <Luke-Jr> ZIP only makes sense as packaging
15:10 <z-man> We've already chewed that discussion to its completion on the forum, it seems to me.
15:11 <Luke-Jr> and the completion wasn't ZIP
15:11 <Luke-Jr> it was a directory with binary data bits
15:11 <Luke-Jr> (or filepath.B.dataname)
15:11 <z-man> But using ZIPs as meta-filesystems wasn't explicitly excluded
15:12 <Luke-Jr> web requests don't use filesystems
15:13 <Luke-Jr> filesystems are invisible to that
15:13 <Luke-Jr> either the client or the server can indiscriminately use ZIP as a filesystem without any involvement of the resource system itself
15:14 <Luke-Jr> and in the case of manually shared resource packs, ZIP might be the preferred packaging format
15:14 <Luke-Jr> but that's not dealing with the system itself
15:14 <z-man> And I think that's all the ZIP proponents are suggesting
15:14 <z-man> Use it for manual sharing
15:15 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer still wants it within the system, it seems to me anyway
15:15 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
15:16  * wrtlprnft thinks this discussion should not be made with Lucifer_arma absent
15:16  * z-man agrees
15:17 <z-man> We'd need at least someone who was actually involved :)
15:17 <wrtlprnft> oh nooooooo
15:17 <wrtlprnft> not more spam
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15:21 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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15:21 <wrtlprnft> there go our chatlogs
15:22 <ghableska> hi
15:22 <wrtlprnft> hi
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15:23 <z-man> armabot, what are you doing?
15:23 <wrtlprnft> interesting that armabot left, but Luke-Jr didn't
15:24 <wrtlprnft> maybe Lucifer_arma's wive restarted the server
15:25 <z-man> Be careful with that tab-completion :)
15:25 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:25 <wrtlprnft> oh, i see
15:26 <wrtlprnft> s/Luke-Jr/Lucifer_arma
15:27 <ghableska> :(
15:31 <wrtlprnft> there doesn't seem to be a way to get irssi to use bash- style completion :(
15:32 <wrtlprnft> like, complete as far as possible, don't just take the first match (and then cycle through the others)
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15:32 <ghableska> gah
15:33 <ghableska> wrtlprnft, can you think of anything else I can do?
15:33 <wrtlprnft> not really, exept wiping out your harddrive and reinstalling
15:33 <wrtlprnft> or switching to another OS ;)
15:34 <ghableska> :P
15:34  * ghableska is starting to hate Windows
15:35 <wrtlprnft> hmm, g2g, cya
15:35 <ghableska> bye
15:37 <MaZuffeR> ghableska: have you tried using some spyware remover? like adaware or spybot search&destroy
15:37 <ghableska> I have both ;)
15:37 <ghableska> and they didn't find anything
15:37 <MaZuffeR> ok
15:38 <ghableska> MSVCP71.dll seems to be the source of the trouble
15:40 <ghableska> but i have no idea what to do...
15:40 <guru3> try the gcc version?
15:40  * guru3 has no clue what's wrong
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15:40 <ghableska> oops
15:42 <ghableska> any suggestions...
15:42 <ghableska> ?
15:42 <MaZuffeR> i have no idea what's wrong :/
15:46 <MaZuffeR> you could try avast! virus scanner, it can run before windows is fully started, worked on my dads old computer...
15:47 <ghableska> I'll try that...
15:49 <ghableska> brb, need to restart
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16:17 <ghableska> hi again
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16:28 <ghableska> :D
16:28 <ghableska> it worked
16:28 <MaZuffeR> good
16:29 <ghableska> no virus, but there were corrupted files
16:29 <MaZuffeR> ok
16:29 <ghableska> and then I was able to run this norton uninstaller online
16:29 <ghableska> so everything is normal :)
16:30 <ghableska> thanks 
16:30 <MaZuffeR> np
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16:45 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yeah, my server was DOS-attacked by my 2 year old, that's why armabot was gone for a few minutes
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft yeah, can you relink me with the antispam stuff?  I thought I'd finish the move to gentoo and then do it, but I"ll do the antispam thing first and then finish the gentoo thing :)
16:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> #notes
16:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I currently have notes waiting for Self_Destructo and wrtlprnft.
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16:51 <ghableska> hello
17:09 <n54> back
17:09 <n54> hi ghab :) hope your problem is fixed (I've read everything)
17:10 <ghableska> oh, yeah :D
17:10 <ghableska> brb
17:10 <n54> #message guru3 yes, sorry about not being clear enough on the exact nature of the problem from the start (I relazied I was being unclear in the first way I described it)
17:10 <armabot> n54: The operation succeeded.
17:11 <guru3> ok
17:11 <guru3> but you know
17:11 <guru3> you dont' have to #message me
17:11 <n54> haha sorry :D
17:11 <guru3> because when you say a line with my name
17:11 <guru3> it points it out to me
17:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but some people don't always go back and find the lines with their names in them.  :)
17:12 <n54> onyl problem with keeping the channels up is that I spend half an hour reading tons of stuff here and elsewhere ^_^
17:13 <Lucifer_arma> there's also some of us that leave occasionally.
17:13 <n54> yup I'm gonna do that right now so this little pc doesn't croak
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17:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://componentizedlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page
17:21 <n54> looks interesting
17:21 <Lucifer_arma> looks more or less like what I need
17:22 <Lucifer_arma> describe components in an xml file, then the builder fetches them from the apt repository to build the distribution
17:22 <n54> yup I guess so
17:23 <ghableska> back
17:25 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, LSB is kinda contrary to what I'm looking at.
17:25 <Lucifer_arma> There's no reason for me to stick with the FHS-style directory tree, for example.  It's an embedded linux, not a desktop!
17:26 <n54> ok I though you wanted debian (with all the extra luggange) because you might need some desktop-thingy in the future (if you bought a lcd etc.) but if you don't then I
17:27 <n54> 'I'll revert back to recommending LFS
17:28  * n54 wonders how much gumstick could do *goes to see*
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> eh?  LFS is attractive, but it means I"ll have to build from scratch.  :)
17:29 <Lucifer_arma> no, I was interested in Debian for the first installation, the one I'm actually working on, because I can do most of the stuff I need without adding a bunch of crap I don't, I think.
17:29 <n54> ah ok
17:29 <Lucifer_arma> I think, mind you.  Don't know Debian that well.  I tried to build a custom Mandrake for awhile and it was painful.  Debian is supposed to be a lot easier, though.
17:30 <n54> btw not really truly on topic: http://www.gumstix.com/
17:30 <n54> ok
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> long run, the only things I'm concerned about with LFS are having a kernel with hardware detection and support that's comparable to desktop kernels
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> but in a way, I'd rather build my own package manager for this.
17:32 <Lucifer_arma> neat, but slow
17:33 <n54> yup
17:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.gumstix.com/waysmalls.html
17:34 <n54> yeah although I don't really like those
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> these are neat little gadgets, though.  :)
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> but there's some good pointers for where to look for other things.  u-boot bootloader?  what's that?  ;)
17:40 <n54> not sure, but I doub't you'll save much by not using lilo or grub :)
17:42 <n54> I think this is their main site http://u-boot.sourceforge.net/
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18:11 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  Couldn't see anything that made uboot look significant.  Looking at lfs again, though.  :)
18:12 <n54> me neither, I only glanced at it though but it just looked like work
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20:37 <ghableska> hi
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21:21 <ghableska> hi n54
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21:22 <n54> hi ghableska :)
21:23 <ghableska> there are still strange problems with my system :(
21:24 <n54> do you use antivirus, anti-spyware and such?
21:24 <ghableska> yes, i had norton antivirus
21:25 <n54> hmm ok I don't think highly of norton though
21:25 <ghableska> and i use zonealarm firewall, lavasoft ad-aware, and spybot-search and destory
21:25 <ghableska> *destroy
21:25 <n54> ok
21:25 <n54> those are ok
21:25 <ghableska> but norton seemed to cause half the trouble
21:26 <n54> that does not surprise me
21:26 <ghableska> :)
21:26 <n54> do you pay for it or got it for free?
21:26 <ghableska> I got the trial one with the google pack
21:27 <n54> ah ok, just ditch it and use anti-vir or AVG or similar; I prefer this german company: www.free-av.com they have a free version for private use
21:27 <ghableska> hmm
21:28 <ghableska> I still suspect that there are problems, because iTunes was going on about corrupted installations, and the error-checking option won't work
21:28 <n54> there are others too of course *thinks he remembers some topic about it on the armagetron forum*
21:28 <ghableska> and all this happened today :(
21:28 <ghableska> heh
21:28 <n54> yeah it can simply be a hardware problem, old hard-disk?
21:29 <ghableska> might be, though the comp's fairly new
21:29 <ghableska> like 8 months old...
21:29 <n54> oh that's new then
21:29 <ghableska> yup
21:31 <ghableska> i have a feeling that reformatting will help, but I don't want to take such drastic action...
21:32 <n54> not sure what windows system you're running but I think you could use the install disk and do a repair and see if that helps but get rid of norton anyway
21:32 <ghableska> the what?
21:32 <n54> which version of windows
21:32 <ghableska> XP
21:32 <ghableska> see, norton is gone
21:32 <n54> ok I have no knowledge of Xp
21:32 <n54> ah ok
21:32 <ghableska> I was able to remove it after downloading avast
21:32 <n54> good
21:33 <wrtlprnft> 18:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ok, successfully hacked the wiki
21:33 <wrtlprnft> 18:50 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/Userlogin.php.txt
21:33 <wrtlprnft> 18:50 <wrtlprnft> that's includes/templates/Userlogin.php
21:33 <wrtlprnft> 18:51 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/SpecialUserlogin.php.txt
21:33 <wrtlprnft> 18:51 <wrtlprnft> that's includes/SpecialUserlogin.php
21:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma 
21:33 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
21:33 <wrtlprnft> hi
21:33 <n54> hi
21:34 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: how did the match go?
21:34 <wrtlprnft> 3PMs? wow
21:34 <McSpiddles> it didn't fo
21:34 <McSpiddles> go
21:35 <wrtlprnft> d'oh, 3 times the same PM from 2020
21:35 <ghableska> hehe
21:35 <wrtlprnft> not at all?
21:35 <McSpiddles> no
21:35 <ghableska> was it about the match?
21:35 <McSpiddles> vanhayes said it wasn't scheduled
21:35 <ghableska> because there seemed to be some confusion about the time
21:35 <Vanhayes> hey wrtl
21:35 <ghableska> some people thought it was yesterday, and other's today...
21:35 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
21:36 <Vanhayes> hwy ghab
21:36 <Vanhayes> hey*
21:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, i talked to 2020 and he said we should try again today
21:36 <ghableska> hmm
21:36 <wrtlprnft> i thought he would take care of spreading the word to you
21:36 <wrtlprnft> or it was an impostor, of course
21:36 <McSpiddles> umm
21:37 <ghableska> possibly...
21:37 <McSpiddles> 2020 said he didn't know about it either
21:37 <Vanhayes> somone said he set it up
21:37 <ghableska> what does the wiki say?
21:37 <Vanhayes> but he said he had no clue
21:37 <Vanhayes> nothing
21:38 <Vanhayes> why didn't any MBC show up on saturday? bad time?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> no
21:38 <wrtlprnft> i wasn't there
21:38 <ghableska> huh
21:38 <wrtlprnft> and noone took care of getting people together
21:39 <Vanhayes> I see
21:39 <Vanhayes> that sucks
21:39 <wrtlprnft> yes
21:40 <ghableska> so did we or did we not have a match scheduled?
21:40 <Vanhayes> we did
21:40 <ghableska> when?
21:40 <Vanhayes> saturday at 8 pm CDT/ 1am GMT
21:40 <wrtlprnft> 1 hour 40 mins ago and 1 day 1 hour 40 mins ago
21:41 <ghableska> lol
21:41 <Vanhayes> I heard about the one 1 hour ago from lack saying 2020 set it up
21:41 <Vanhayes> but 2020 said he didnt
21:41 <wrtlprnft> so at least there's evidence and it's not just me dreaming
21:41 <Vanhayes> lol
21:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: would you mind checking the IP of that guy that logged in as 2020 and seeing if it is the "real" one?
21:42 <Vanhayes> hope it wasn't pimp
21:42 <ghableska> pimp has been quiet recently...
21:42 <wrtlprnft> not sure about the time, but it was on CVS fortress
21:42 <wrtlprnft> haha, he isn't
21:42 <ghableska> ?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> on ct fortress there was a guy that entered as wrt1prnft |mbc|
21:43 <wrtlprnft> just today
21:43 <ghableska> some one has been abusing the 1 thing...
21:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but there's no real cure
21:43 <wrtlprnft> 0 is mapped to o, but 1 can be i or l
21:44 <Vanhayes> btw I'm pretty sure other people can use my name now on CVS
21:44 <wrtlprnft> and it's clearly visible anyways
21:44 <Vanhayes> used my sister's comp with my name and it didn't kick me off
21:45 <wrtlprnft> o, that doesn't matter
21:45 <wrtlprnft> if you'
21:45 <wrtlprnft> re in the same house or same provider it can't notice
21:45 <Vanhayes> ok, nice 
21:45 <wrtlprnft> but if you go to someone else's home you should get kicked
21:46  * wrtlprnft needs a name without a i or l
21:46 <ghableska> happened once to me...
21:46 <ghableska> right Vanhayes?
21:46 <Vanhayes> lol
21:46 <Vanhayes> ya
21:46 <wrtlprnft> people know it, they just like the "kcik"
21:46 <ghableska> it only banned me AFTER I left the server though
21:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:46 <ghableska> it didn't kick me straightaway
21:46 <Vanhayes> u left before u got kicked
21:46 <wrtlprnft> it's a script that writes everytime.cfg
21:46 <ghableska> oh
21:46 <wrtlprnft> so it'll get applied when the round ends
21:47 <McSpiddles> that kick ban thing isn't really all that good
21:47 <wrtlprnft> it reads the logs and generates everytime.cfg out of it
21:47 <Vanhayes> it sucked tho I got kicked when a bunch of people got kicked from impersonating
21:47 <McSpiddles> when they kick me i do a mac clone
21:47 <McSpiddles> then i can get back in :p
21:47 <ghableska> Vanhayes, I think macattack hates you now
21:47 <Vanhayes> lol "when they kick me" not if they kick me
21:48 <ghableska> at least the server stops you from changing your name after a poll...
21:48 <wrtlprnft> macattack is an idiot IMHO
21:48 <Vanhayes> yup
21:48 <McSpiddles> well
21:48 <McSpiddles> there's a bug in that to
21:48 <McSpiddles> i changed my name after a poll was started
21:48 <McSpiddles> my name in the server didn't change
21:48 <McSpiddles> but the poll name changed
21:48 <ghableska> oh
21:49 <Vanhayes> weird
21:49 <wrtlprnft> oh, that sucks
21:49 <wrtlprnft> cry BUG in that case
21:49 <McSpiddles> lol
21:49 <wrtlprnft> well, it IS a bug
21:49 <Vanhayes> o ya do u know why the team changed from blue to red?
21:49 <McSpiddles> i'm not complaning,it stopped me from changing my ip again
21:49 <ghableska> heh
21:49 <Vanhayes> seems random
21:50 <ghableska> so...
21:51 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=47772#47772
21:51 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:51 <ghableska> heh, luci's reaction
21:51 <McSpiddles> http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7443/tron21ad.jpg
21:52  * wrtlprnft wants to see that wiki page
21:52 <ghableska> gah
21:52 <ghableska> it was funnier when pimp tried to copy him
21:52 <wrtlprnft> you mean 2o2o2?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> or 2O2O
21:52 <ghableska> yes
21:52 <ghableska> aka Guest
21:53 <wrtlprnft> aka "I am a fake"
21:53 <wrtlprnft> the ava he deleted later
21:53 <ghableska> heh
21:55 <ghableska> and 2020 already wants the ladle to start...
21:55 <ghableska> before the spoon is even over
21:55 <Vanhayes> ya he is a little Too optimistic
21:55 <wrtlprnft> better not
21:55 <wrtlprnft> wait at least two months
21:55 <Vanhayes> says it starts june 24th 
21:55 <ghableska> too soon..
21:55 <Vanhayes> yup
21:55 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't be there
21:56 <wrtlprnft> that's right around the time i go back to germany
21:56 <Vanhayes> leaving Canada :(
21:56 <wrtlprnft> D:
21:56 <Vanhayes> for good?
21:57 <wrtlprnft> (you have to turn your head the other way for D: )
21:57 <ghableska> ;)
21:57 <Vanhayes> lol
21:57 <wrtlprnft> it'll be nice back there too, though
21:57 <ghableska> where in germany?
21:57 <wrtlprnft> munich
21:57 <ghableska> good pings ;)
21:57 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:57 <wrtlprnft> sec
21:59 <wrtlprnft> uh, i can't send a normal ping to z-man's server?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> but it will be under 100, definitely
22:00  * ghableska yawns
22:00 <ghableska> goodnight everyone
22:00 <n54> cya :)
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22:07 <Vanhayes> ya im calling it a night cya
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22:27 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:27 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:28 <n54> cya wrtlprnft :)
22:28  * Lucifer_arma starts school again in a week
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> make it a week and a half.  May 30
22:30 <n54> so soon?
22:31 <n54> are you racing towards a uni entrance in the autumn or something like that?
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, well, yes, but, ummm
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> see, I didn't take a class last summer and nearly went crazy :)
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> and I do want to get into UT asap.  I probably won't take summer classes when I get there, but I'll have 4 semesters left when I do.
22:43 <n54> ok :)
22:44 <n54> only 4... bachelors degree?
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> yessir
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's like this.  :)
22:44 <n54> :)
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> First, get bachelor's in Aerospace Engineering.  Then, try to find job.
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> If(! jobFound() ) getMasters();
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> then try to find a job again.
22:45 <n54> yeah that's sensible imo
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> if (! jobFound() ) getDoctorate();
22:45 <n54> :)
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> the thing about postgraduate studies is that funding is easier to get, if your undergraduate record is good.
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> and Aerospace Engineering in particular might require a master's or phd to get a job
22:46 <n54> and doing it like that will both provide time for stuff to sink in as well as getting some real hand-on experience
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to push robotics as my technical elective as much as possible.  So Aerospace Engineering with and emphasis on space, and robotics.
22:47 <n54> although i had hands-on experience before I started my bachelors degree (that got slahes by my illness very early on) and it nearly drove me crazy (there's a lot of bs going on at uni)
22:47 <n54> ok
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> with a standing record as a programmer, my best employment opportunities are probably going to be using my degree as a programmer
22:48 <n54> yeah perhaps
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> and systems automation (read: robotics) is big in space :)
22:48 <n54> yup
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also very interested in robotics :)
22:48 <n54> :)

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