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Log from 2006-05-19:
--- Day changed Fri May 19 2006
00:09 <guru3> chem exam
00:09 <guru3> :D
00:09 <guru3> bbl
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh boy.  my dome light started working, I've got my cd player halfway installed now.  :)  Just need to pop in a CD and listen to it.
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> The neat thing about stereo installation is that you do the last half of the work with music.  :)
00:31 <GodTodd> :)
01:06  * Lucifer_arma is finished installing is cd player
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> and for a first, I had no screws left over.  :)
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> and it fit nicely.  :)  Not perfectly, but nicely.  I won't notice the rough edges, and neither will anyone else.
01:08 <GodTodd> cool :)
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> the old tape deck, besides not having a cd player, had that problem where the volume knob didn't complete work right, got fuzzy when you move it, that stuff
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> needs a new potentiameter (sp?) there
01:09 <GodTodd> the six disc in the toyota is great for longer trips
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> not worth fixing, especially when I have a cd player laying around waiting for a car
01:09 <GodTodd> yep
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  When I drove my truck down here, the cd player was in it.  And it has an aux jack.  So I plugged my laptop into it and got the full benefit of a 13gb mp3 collection
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> I never heard the same song twice, over a 4-day drive!
01:09 <GodTodd> that would rock :)
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> it did.  :)
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> and I first heard Hook in Mouth, first ever!, driving through an area in Wyoming at sunrise that was particularly scenic.  It was wild.
01:10 <GodTodd> i just have one of those tape/cd converter dealies in the subaru
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> classic cartoony stuff, tunnel ahead of me, neato desert-type rock formations along the road and in the distance, etc.
01:10 <GodTodd> heh
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to buy one of those iRiver dealies when I put a few bucks together, they support ogg after all
01:11 <GodTodd> what're those?
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm going to have to insist on an available aux jack for car stereos for the future
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> um, they're personal mp3 players
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> personal *music* players, I should say, because they're not limited to mp3.  Support ogg vorbis!  :)
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> iPod for LInux geeks, essentially
01:13 <GodTodd> ahhhh
01:13 <GodTodd> cool :)
01:13 <GodTodd> what do they run?
01:13 <GodTodd> price wise i mean
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> ~$150, iirc.  At Best Buy, that was.
01:14 <GodTodd> only 150?
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> damn.  wiki's being spammed.  wrtl will be so pissed at me for not yet putting his hack in there.
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I actually took the cd player from a home installation.  I had taken a computer case I had laying around and hacked its power supply to power the CD player.  :)
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> my truck came with a speakerbox because my brother-in-law didn't want to dig it out, and I decided to dig it out, so I was using it for speakers.  :)
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> then I dug out my yamaha amp my neighbor gave me and got my little system going without the cd player, so it was just sitting there....
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'm probably never going to have a regular home stereo unit again, I think.  Just guitar amps and a mixer.
01:19 <GodTodd> cool :)
01:20 <GodTodd> wow...fry's has the 6GB iRiver for 180$
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> but the speaker box has a blown speaker in it, which is why I wasn't really using it.  I should fix that, but then what do I do with it?  The celica's got plenty of noise in it, all 4 speakers work nicely (I just tested)
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> sweet!  That's awesome.  Half of my collection.... :)
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> the half I listen to, for that matter.
01:21 <GodTodd> 20GB for 250$
01:21 <GodTodd> hmmm...i need a new player ;)
01:21 <GodTodd> heh
01:21  * Lucifer_arma pencils in 5 extra hours onto his next invoice....  heh
01:22 <GodTodd> i'm still using a 32MB Rio that my inlaws gave me a while back
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to be honest I don't really do the portable music thing anymore.
01:22 <GodTodd> i really only do it when mowing the lawn and stuff
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> having this family, well, I don't just sit and listen to realy loud music anymore.  So I've rolled all my music listening into driving, and otherwise don't listen a lot.
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that's an idea.  For doing chores....
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> you know, without bothering the rest of the family with it.  :)
01:23 <GodTodd> that's what gets me through them ;)
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'd probably mow the lawn a lot more than I do now....heh
01:23 <GodTodd> heh
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the flip side is it would really stall work on the new sound engine for armagetron :)
01:24 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't see karen listening to king diamond and stuff ;)
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01:24 <Lucifer_arma> seeing as how my driving force is wanting to listen to music ingame
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I don't know if karen would get off on that, haha
01:24 <GodTodd> true :)
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> here's something.  You still got Wrathchild America laying around?
01:25 <GodTodd> no :(
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> oh.  Sorry.
01:25 <GodTodd> used to have a tape...don't know what happened to it
01:25 <GodTodd> wish i did
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'd popped in 3d in the other car the other day, and my kids were back there whispering "this song's about vampires!"
01:25 <GodTodd> lol
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> when I get my new server running (old server, new OS), I'll put my collection up in a little private place and hook you up with ftp.
01:26 <GodTodd> cool :)
01:26 <GodTodd> holy fucking crap batman
01:27 <GodTodd> 22.88 for a used climbin' the walls?
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> you *found* a used climbin' the walls?!?
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> link, now!
01:27 <GodTodd> amazon.com
01:27 <GodTodd> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/103-4104620-8635838?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=music&field-keywords=wrathchild%20america
01:27  * Lucifer_arma still has some allowance money left after his last book-buying
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> 54.95 new?!?!?
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how much my 3D CDs are worth.  I've got a couple of those, I bought spares last time I found them.
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> oh, not much.  $9, haha.
01:29 <GodTodd> yeah...apparently it's climbin' the walls that's hard to get ;)
01:29 <GodTodd> wonder if i should break out the CC
01:29 <GodTodd> ;)
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> you just try to beat me to this :)
01:30 <GodTodd> trying to remember if they were any good as souls at zero
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> done
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> they *were* souls at zero
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> name change, because an english hairband named Wrathchild sued them
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> the self-titled souls at zero album is the best work they ever did, actually, even if it is a tad whiny
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> ah
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, reread what you said
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> forgive me, I've had a long day, haha
01:33 <GodTodd> np
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> also, the self-title souls at zero is the only one I don't have (besides climbin' the walls, which I just ordered :) )
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01:34 <Lucifer_arma> $54 new, that freaks me out
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's not like Wrathchild America was every particularly popular.  They got their week on dial MTV, and that was it.  And that song was on 3d!
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> although, I'd have bought the new one if I had $54 to plunk down on it
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> but man, you can't even find those songs on opennap!
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> I found Day of the Thunder, that was it.  None of the rest.
01:36 <McSpiddles> the movie?
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> song
01:36 <McSpiddles> ah
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> metal song, you wouldn't like it
01:36 <McSpiddles> why wouldn't i
01:36 <GodTodd> yeah....i know...i've tried finding the songs....only one i could find was time
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> haha, that one's not even very good.  :)
01:37 <GodTodd> 39.97...not too bad...
01:37 <GodTodd> got all 3
01:37 <GodTodd> :)
01:37 <GodTodd> :D
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh
01:37 <GodTodd> i wore out climbin' the walls the summer after HS
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  Damn tapes, eh?
01:37 <GodTodd> yep
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> I sold my CDs right before I got married, my wife, er, gf, ad I were dead-ass broke and living in my car
01:38 <GodTodd> i love amazon for the hard to find cds
01:38 <GodTodd> been there...i was homeless when i sold a bunch of mine
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> the wrathchild ones went last, though.  I hung onto them as long as possible, and as soon as possible started looking again.
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> made the souls at zero connection when their first, self-title album was actually a current release :)
01:39 <GodTodd> have they shipped yet?  now i'm jonesin' heh
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> haha
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be in the mail tomorrow :)
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> "When you see me doing 83 in a 55, I might kill a cop!"
01:39 <GodTodd> yeah...that means middle to end of next week :/
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> as long as it gets here before I start driving my car.  :)
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> been wanting to hear No Deposit, No Return for awhile now
01:39 <GodTodd> but....we don't leave for NM until the 27th....hopefully they'll be here in time :D
01:40 <GodTodd> that's a cool song
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  it's the story of my life
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> except we got back together :)
01:40 <GodTodd> :)
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> did I tell you I exchanged emails with Brad Divens awhile back?
01:40 <GodTodd> yeah....i remember when they changed their name....does that make me old? heh
01:40 <GodTodd> no you didn't
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  I ws googling for wrathchild america and not having any luck, so I googled brad divens
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> turned up his resume with an email address.
01:41 <GodTodd> cool :)
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> I figured what the hell?  Maybe he's got some CDs laying around he could send me?  heh
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> so I emailed him.  He sent me to eBay, so I went there.
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder sometimes if the person I wound up buying 3d from was him.  :)
01:42 <GodTodd> could be :D
01:42 <GodTodd> how much did that one cost you?
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> $6, they were cheap off ebay
01:42 <GodTodd> after shipping?
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> I bought 2 of them, one of them is safe in the closet, one in the car
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, before shipping
01:42 <GodTodd> ahhhh
01:42 <GodTodd> ok
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> but no climbin' the walls, and very little to be found on opennap :(
01:43 <GodTodd> usually with a cd like that...i'll copy it and keep the original put WAY away ;)
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, you're going to have to rip the Souls at Zero one and upload it to my server
01:43 <GodTodd> sure
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'll probably be putting it back again, I had pulled it out because I didn't have a working burner at the time ad my last burned copy went kaput
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> so I should probably rip it and put it away again...
01:44 <GodTodd> yep
01:44 <GodTodd> when you have young kids around it's the safest way to go
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> good opportunity to make sure my spare is still safe.  :)
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01:44 <Lucifer_arma> I know that's true
01:44 <GodTodd> tommy went through a 'break the cd for the hell of it' phase
01:45 <GodTodd> had to go through amazon to replace my kicking harold cd after that :/
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> they all do that.  :)  Julian figured out how to take the tape out of vhs tapes
01:45 <GodTodd> that's part of childhood :)
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  I did it too....  :)
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> only I did it to 8 tracks
01:45 <GodTodd> i don't let tommy have originals of his dvds either
01:46 <GodTodd> my burner has paid for itself in saved discs
01:46 <GodTodd> heh
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, *I* put everything up on high shelves, and figure when the kids are big enough to reach them, they're old enough to take care of them
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> but my wife takes them down and leaves them out where the kids can get them.
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> so I tend to hide the really important stuff
01:46 <GodTodd> i don't have a lot of high shelves
01:46 <GodTodd> heh
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> like the pre-editing Star Wars trilogy which my wife's not allowed to take out without permission :)
01:47 <GodTodd> come to think of it...karen doesn't mess with the discs much
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> man, I wish I'd put out the extra $100 on this laptop to get the dvd burner
01:48 <GodTodd> don't you have one on another machine?
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> no, just dvd readers
01:49 <GodTodd> ahhh
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> regular CD burners, both ont he server and on my laptop
01:49 <GodTodd> i have my dvdrw on the server upstairs
01:49 <GodTodd> my laptop is where i burn cds
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I hardly use the burner on the server anymore
01:50 <GodTodd> hell...i'm on the laptop all the time...might as well use the burner ;)
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> :)
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> hey, here's what I want in my car:
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.mp3car.com/store/index.php?cPath=35&osCsid=82a1b3a4aebb8098a251925934f891eb
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> pick one
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> forget the cd player, I want a real computer in there :)
01:52 <GodTodd> shit yeah
01:52 <GodTodd> :)
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> they sell 'em without operating systems, or with windows xp
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> save money, but it empty and throw something Truly Useful on there :)
01:53 <GodTodd> i want the 100GB one heh
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> GPS receiver + good map software = never get lost
01:54 <GodTodd> i have gps for my laptop
01:54 <GodTodd> now...would you really really need to burn dvds in your car?
01:54 <GodTodd> heh
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.mp3car.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=166   <--- infrared camera :)
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> where's the radar attachment?
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh
01:56 <GodTodd> heh
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> I could see burning dvds in your car
01:57 <GodTodd> hmmm
01:58 <GodTodd> Sub-Total: $1,328.95
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.mp3car.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=51&products_id=152
01:58 <GodTodd> heh there's my car computer :)
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> you're buying one!?!?
01:58 <GodTodd> ummmm no
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> (buy two and send me one)
01:58 <GodTodd> i wish
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't yet managed to convince my wife I need one.  :)  Working on it, though...
01:58 <GodTodd> karen makes good money...but i think i'd be on the street there
01:58 <GodTodd> :P
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> haha
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> tell her she can make web pages for it :)
01:59 <GodTodd> i can swing the 40$ for cds....hard to explain 1300$ for a computer in the car
01:59 <GodTodd> lol
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah
01:59 <GodTodd> just wanted to trick it out and see what it would run :)
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> they need to make some adapters for the gauges
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> because I'd really like to tile some lcd's in my instrument cluster and replace the gauges that are there
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> then I'd like to lay some out on top and see if I can project a hud onto my windshield
02:02 <GodTodd> heh
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> so naturally I'll need an oil pressure, fuel, tach, speedometer, etc, attachments for the computer
02:02 <GodTodd> hell...they even call them 'carputers' now...:/
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> you could probably build one cheaper, now that I look more closely at it
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's just a mini-itx form factor
02:04 <GodTodd> http://www.mp3car.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=25_59&products_id=206&osCsid=82a1b3a4aebb8098a251925934f891eb
02:04 <GodTodd> lcd touchscreen
02:04 <GodTodd> in-dash :)
02:05 <GodTodd> errr...tft i mean
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> I saw that, it's pretty neato
02:05 <GodTodd> yah....they got it in feb and it's already out of stock
02:05 <GodTodd> :)
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> so you could just take any old computer and get one of their power supplies and start hooking it up
02:06 <GodTodd> looks like it
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> might be a tad bulky, but if you could show the damn thing would be useful (which is my problem), then it'd be well worth buying a slicker model that you ccan mount in-dash
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> besides, I'd have no problems putting the main box under the seat.  There's no law that says "electronic stuff goes in the dash"
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> put the UI components where you can reach them where it makes the msot sense, the main box under the seat
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> or in the trunk, for that matter
02:07 <GodTodd> yep
02:07 <GodTodd> and i saw a damn small case at sam's the other day
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if I've got a motherboard and case laying around that works....
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> boot time could be a problem.  ANd you need a way to signal boot
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a mini-tower I could throw in the trunk
02:09 <n54> not worried about vibrations eating away at the hd's and whatver?
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a have to think about this some more.
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> use laptop hard drives, that's what they ship with anyway
02:10 <GodTodd> it's a good idea come to think of it
02:10 <GodTodd> i have some spare parts laying around.....
02:10 <GodTodd> hmmmm
02:10 <n54> or usb thumb-drives
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> no real reason you can't just wire the power switch to something on the dash
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> n54: what sizes can you get those in?
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking you'd need at least 10GB
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> they'd help with boot time, I guess.  are they faster or slower than regular hard drives?
02:11 <n54> I bought a real cheap one with 1GB the other day, then they got more expensive (at 2GB) but not sure if they go much higher than that
02:11 <n54> they're pretty fast afaik
02:12 <n54> but might have been a badiea when you need that much more space
02:12 <n54> bad idea*
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm thinking having the thing rsync automatically at certain times of the day, when it's in range of the home network
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> backup stuff that's on the computer in the car, pull down stuff that's on the server that needs to come down
02:13 <GodTodd> fry's has up to 4GB on the flash drives
02:13 <n54> #g 300 NOK to USD
02:13 <armabot> n54: 300 Norwegian kroner = 49.0404 U.S. dollars
02:14 <n54> it was around 50 USD then (but remeber everything is very expensive in norway)
02:14 <GodTodd> 130$ for the cheapest 4GB
02:15 <n54> 130 for 4GB sounds good
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't.  :)  $30 for 20GB in a laptop drive :)
02:16 <n54> but if laptop hd's survive the driving then... :)
02:16 <n54> yes
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> dude, I drove my laptop to school every day this past semester, it survived just fine
02:16 <n54> well was it on?
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh, not really
02:16 <n54> ;)
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> but people drive with their laptops on all the time, take them on airplanes, all sorts of stuff
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> buses, trains, etc.
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> boats
02:17 <n54> but if they ship the ready-made ones with laptop hd's it should be ok
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02:17 <Lucifer_arma> I also have an LCD laying around
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a touch screen, but I cannibalized my last laptop when it broke.
02:17 <n54> :)
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> I could probably adapt most of it to mount in a car....
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> so really I just need the power supply and the core computer, and probably a minor investment in small parts to wire it all up
02:20  * Lucifer_arma thinks he'll sit on it for awhile and see what else presents itself
02:20  * n54 hopes he didn't scare GodTodd away or anything like that
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be something I have to build off the car first, get all the software together and working.  I can put it in my celica with no resistance from my wife.  :)
02:20 <n54> :)
02:21 <GodTodd> nah i'm here
02:21 <n54> good :)
02:21 <GodTodd> hey...i have two broken laptops i could cannibalize
02:21 <GodTodd> :D
02:22 <GodTodd> i think the drives are still in them too
02:22 <GodTodd> hmmmm
02:24 <GodTodd> wow...fry's rapes you on laptop drives
02:24 <GodTodd> heh
02:25 -!- z-man-work is now known as z-man
02:29 <z-man> #morning
02:29 <armabot> Good Morning z-man! Random Fortune:  You are a bundle of energy, always on the go.
02:29 <n54> morning :)
02:29 <z-man> armabot works! hooray!
02:30 <z-man> #later tell wrtlprnft I didn't get your restart story from the logs, but if the server restarted although players were online, it probably has to do with the false player count bug that's now fixed. I'll check that.
02:30 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
02:30  * z-man kisses armabot
02:30 <n54> hehe
02:33 <GodTodd> man...i grew up on cassette tapes and VHS....now i have mostly cds, dvds and two dvd recorders.....technology rules :D
02:33 <GodTodd> heh
02:34 <z-man> #later tell wrtlprnft Nope, the auto restart code uses an unaffected user counting function. Could you post the details of the incident on the forum?
02:34 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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03:01 <Lucifer_arma> told you armabot was a girl
03:06 <GodTodd> haven't made her a woman yet, eh? ;)
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000310056201/
03:07 <n54> lol GodTodd
03:09 <n54> cool link
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> I have a power inverter, so powering the thing isn't a problem
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, my choice was "buy a special adapter for my laptop for a cigarette lighter" or "power inverter", and predictably I went with the portable solution
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> jeez.  The more doable this project looks, the more I worry about my grades
03:11 <n54> :)
03:11  * Lucifer_arma goes to dig up his power inverter and look at it
03:13 <n54> not looking to start a flame war or anything like that --just curious-- what do you think of the immigration debacle in the us Lucifer?
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to have to wait until daylight to dig this stuff up.  I'll dig out the tore-down laptop then too.
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> um, n54, I'm not happy about it, to say the least.
03:17 <n54> in what way?
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like the fundamental attitude that illegal immigrants should be given amnesty so they can keep doing the jobs americans are "too proud to do"
03:18 <n54> ok
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> I think that attitude is racism, pure and simple, and there's no reason I can think of that it should be a guiding principle for lawmakers
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> if I had my way, we'd string up every lawmaker that approved immigrant legislation on that basis
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> what we actually do about the illegal immigrants I'm mostly ambivalent.  I don't want to just ship them back, but neither do I want them to keep living here illegally
03:19 <n54> I can see your racism point, I don't agree but I can see it
03:19 <n54> yeah I can agree on that, needs some middle ground
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, the flip side is that I've been the American that was not only willing to do those jobs, but had to compete for some really shitty wages just to pay the rent.
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, illegal immigrants work for cheaper.  Part of it's willingness, their standard of living is higher anyway than it was where they fled from.
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> Part of it's exploitation.
03:20 <n54> yeah I buy that argument
03:20 <n54> I'm closer to Bush's stand but yeah
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> so we need to get htem into the system and protected by minimum wage and other labor laws first.
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> or we need to ship them back to where they came from, which I don't really like as a solution.
03:21 <n54> agreed, minimum wage should be higher both in america and europe
03:21 <n54> yeah no that's just impractical imo
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> Then we need to look at the real problems.  When Bush says "illegal immigrant", he means Mexican.
03:21 <n54> yeah of course
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> and we can solve most of our illegal immigration problems in Mexico.  According to Bush, invading a sovereign nation to protect american interests in the war against terror is a perfectly valid action.
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> But invading a sovereign nation to protect american economic interests at home?
03:22 <n54> well Vincente Fox is an asshole, that's for sure :) but I don't think that will be necessary :)
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> I've been in favor of annexing Mexico for as long as I can remember.  :)
03:22 <n54> lol texan eh? ;)
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> he might be an asshole, but he's the closest thing Mexico has had to democracy for some time.
03:23 <n54> I know, pretty corrupt though so well...
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> the real problem is there.  Mexicans want democracy, or at least a working government that doesn't make them peasants and exploit them.
03:23 <GodTodd> the ironic thing is if they had just surrendered in the mexican american war this would be moot ;)
03:23  * n54 is in favour of letting Puerto Rico join the US btw
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> and the country is rich in resources that aren't being tapped in any reasonable manner.
03:24 <n54> yeah of course, can't blame them
03:24  * n54 has nothign against mexicans
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> say what you want about the american economy, if our practices were adopted in mexico, they'd be able to enjoy our standard of living on their own in a generation or two
03:24 <GodTodd> yep
03:24 <n54> absolutely agree
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> and that's what Vicente Fox brings to the table.  If he can pull it off, then that's great.
03:24 <n54> I doubt he can but well
03:25 <GodTodd> if he was smart he'd try to get us to teach his countrymen how to do that
03:25 <n54> as logn as they don't go "venezuela" I don't think anyone can expect too much more sadly
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> he's the first visionary type of politician to get real power in Mexico since Santa Anna, and we all know how well Santa Anna turned out...
03:26 <n54> ok not familiar with Santa Anna
03:26 <GodTodd> the Alamo
03:26 <GodTodd> :)
03:26 <n54> oh
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, remember the alamo :)
03:26 <n54> :S :)
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> he's *that* general :)
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> Mexico needs JJ.
03:27 <GodTodd> caught him with his pants down 
03:27 <GodTodd> heh
03:27 <n54> JJ?
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> JJ is a guy I worked with at the junkyard.  He was an illegal immigrant from Guatemala who was wanted by the authorities there.
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> Wanted badly, they were holding his family hostage.
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> And because of his principles, he wouldn't surrender to them.
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> Later, quite a bit later, I looked into some more recent Guatemala history, and I"ll be damned, but I think he was the former president that was ousted in the early 90s
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> by a military fascist coup
03:29 <n54> hmm well as long as it doesn't turn into another "maschismo" war leader JJ might be ok, too much bs in central america though (and south btw)
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, Bush's "send them back" policy will send him back.
03:29 <n54> Bush doesn't say "send them back"
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, JJ wasn't like that.  He was, ummm, hard to explain.  The storybook hero type, a staunch Republican (not American Republican, republican in the sense the rest of the world uses it)
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> Bush used to say "send them back".  Don't forget, I lived here when he was governor.
03:30 <n54> hmm in europe republican usually means "against monarchy"
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> he's compromising right now.
03:30 <n54> well perhaps he wised up :)
03:30 <GodTodd> sure couldn't 'wise down'
03:30 <GodTodd> lol
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> republican = establish representative government for the people with freedom and protected human rights
03:31 <n54> ok that's not really the meaning in europe :)
03:31 <n54> for historical reasons
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I couldn't find pictures of any of the past Guatemalan presidents, their families, or other politicians
03:32 <n54> civil war explains some of that
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> he might have been in a revolutionary group for all I know.  But he was rich and powerful, anyway, and the JJ I knew was the epitome of virtue.
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's kinda beside the point.  :)  Other than it saddens me that he's living as a refugee while his country is being run by a corrupt dictatorship.
03:34 <n54> I think that's probably a bit inaccurate; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala
03:34 <n54> it's just very tenuous afaik
03:35 <n54> but anyway thanks for the input :)
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  Whenever I see "Republic of <>" in south/central america, I automatically assume fascist :)
03:37 <n54> can't blame you :)
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know when he came to the US, but I worked with him in 1998
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> which puts it after the peace deal brokered between the marxist group and the government
03:39 <n54> yeah, sorry to say it but sounds like he was a commie :)
03:40 <Lucifer_arma> you did see the part about "corruption is still rampant at all levels of government", right?
03:40 <n54> yup
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03:40 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't speak enough spanish and he didn't speak enough english for us to get involved in heavy-duty political discussions
03:40 <n54> doesn't matter anyway
03:41 <guru3> back
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> not really.  Lots of good people have been communist.  :)
03:41 <guru3> 2 more exams
03:41 <n54> yes absolutely, although I abhor the ideology
03:41 <n54> hi guru3 :)
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> so yeah, if I were calling the shots, we'd blame Mexico for our immigration problems and demand they fix their own problems.
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> We'd say stuff like "neighbors have to put up with each other throwing trash out in their own yards"
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> and the CIA would be working up a few operations to change out the government and stuff like that
03:42 <n54> well you know, they aren't able to and/or lack the will
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> if invasion is what's required to fix the problem, then that's what we should do
03:42 <n54> lol now that would cause democrats to go ballistic :D
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's not just our problem, and in this case I feel pretty confident most Mexicans would welcome us.
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> They wouldn't want us to stay for very long, just long enough for them to get situated and hang a few leaders.
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> then good trade partners, and we're done.  Take about 50 years for the dust to settle, of course.
03:44 <n54> mm well I think I prefer Bush's middle ground but differences makes the world go around :)
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> maybe happen faster, depending on how clean we kept our noses, so another debacle just like Iraq would cause more problems than it solved.
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> the only difference that I see between going into Mexico and going into Iraq is that the terrorist card can't be played in Mexico
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, it's the same situation.
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> why support a war in Iraq and not a war in Mexico?  :)
03:45 <n54> nimo but that's ok by me
03:46 <n54> to me they're entirely different situations
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03:47 <n54> and I think you should be happy they're mexicans who all things said and done are fairly close to you culturally
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, we didn't have half a million Iraqis illegally entering our country every year and driving down wages in Texas for the people most vulnerable to such things
03:47 <n54> 200000+ mexicans weren't slaughtered yearly either
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> um, maybe you should see Texas.  :)  Mexicans aren't as close to us culturally as you might think.
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> No, they just die of other preventable things
03:48 <n54> compare it to europe and you'll see my point :)
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> things that aren't prevented because the government blahblah (didn't I mention them already?)
03:48 <n54> I did at least ;)
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't know europe well enough to make that comparison.  But I know a great deal about Mexican culture and have adopted a fair amount of it for myself.
03:48 <n54> you're making my point there :)
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm ot typical
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> typical white Texan hates Mexicans just for being mexican
03:49  * n54 isn't anti-islam, just anti-islamism and anti-idiotarian
03:49 <n54> yeah that's plain racism imo
03:49 <n54> i.e plain stupid
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.....  and?  Welcome to America.
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> Land of the free white people, and home of the dead braves.
03:50 <n54> got a hint for you; people are people everywhere, and nowhere is there any kind of shortage on idiocy :)
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  :)  My point is that the cultures haven't mixed very much.
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> Some areas have mixed more than others, California does a lot better in general, for example.
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> In El Paso, you get treated like shit for being white.  Mexican majority there.
03:51 <n54> yeah I'm not really saying they are, just that they're a hell of a lot closer than the situation many other places
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> and a lot more important, imo.  Mexico's got plenty of oil...
03:52 <n54> not surprised about El Paso as racism isn't the domain of whites only (sorry for the extremely bad pun)
03:52 <n54> fuck oil
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> Mexico's also got lots of arable land, uranium (iirc), and other stuff.
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> Hell, if Mexico was part of the US, we'd be able to wage war against the whole rest of the world with a reasonable expectation of winning.
03:53 <n54> everybody (including the oil companies) except for moonbats know oil is not the future
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> actually, Mexico is still struggling with a racist system they inherited from Spain.
03:54 <n54> yes Spain always had/has a brown streak
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> where basically, the less spanish blood in you and the more native blood, the more peasant you are.
03:55 <n54> as in facist (not sure iof the color brown is associated with facism in the us)
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> The more spanish blood, the higher in the aristocracy you're likely to be found.
03:55 <n54> yeah I know, it's much the same down all central and south america
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  Brown is associated with Mexico :)
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is.
03:56 <n54> the fascism/communism dualism in too much of the americas is what I kind of refrred to earlier by saying "machismo" bs
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, somewhat ontopic, why doesn't Mexico have an olympic team?
03:56 <n54> they don't?
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> no, of course not.  Every Mexican that can run, jump, or swim is already in the US.
03:56 <n54> :P
03:56 <n54> :)
03:57 <GodTodd> old joke, luci :P
03:57 <GodTodd> heh
03:58  * n54 kinda hates that kind of jokes unless it's about swedes... XD
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> haha
03:58 <n54> and even then they're rarely good :)
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> I told that joke to JJ, through an interpreter
03:58 <n54> it's mutual so it's ok :)
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> he laughed for days :)
03:58 <n54> :)
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> so did the interpreter, for that matter.  He was naturalized, moved here from Durango.
03:59 <n54> :)
03:59  * GodTodd hates white people.
03:59  * Lucifer_arma has done some circulating among the class of people in the discussion
03:59 <n54> lol GodTodd
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> shut up peckerwood
03:59 <GodTodd> kill all the white people ;)
04:00  * n54 doesn't get why GodTodd wan'ts to kill him
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> he hates white protestants
04:00 <GodTodd> as long as i start in a ripple, you have nothing to worry about....i bet i'm whiter than you lol
04:00  * n54 doesn't get why he want's to kill my mom
04:00 <n54> sorry for all the typos
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> (I'd have said Anglo-Saxon, but you're not anglo or saxon)
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  Probably not, GodTodd 
04:01  * n54 is almost transparent soon - you might be right :)
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> people in scandinavia are damned white
04:01 <GodTodd> ummm...i've got much scandanavian blood
04:01 <GodTodd> heh
04:02  * Lucifer_arma celebrates his Italian heritage
04:02 <GodTodd> tho the german might cancel it out
04:02 <GodTodd> after all i CAN tan
04:02 <GodTodd> :D
04:02 <n54> hehe so can most up here :)
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I can tan, but for some reason I can't burn anymore.
04:02 <n54> I used to be fairly brown when I lived in Singapore
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> used to be able to burn, but ever since I rubbed myself on the street @20mph, I can't burn anymore
04:03 <n54> /s/brown/tanned
04:03 <GodTodd> that would do it, luci :P
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got to get to bed.  Need to wake up early to inventory my computer parts, then go see the notary yadayada
04:03 <n54> cya
04:04 <GodTodd> i have to be up by 6:30
04:04 <GodTodd> :/
04:05 <n54> guru3:  how did the exam go?
04:05 <n54> hmm almost no point sleeping GodTodd?
04:05 <GodTodd> i know
04:06  * n54 hates when that happens to him
04:06 <GodTodd> time has a way of getting away from me
04:06 <GodTodd> heh
04:07 <n54> :)
04:09 <guru3> not bad n54 
04:09 <n54> ah good, was it chemistry?
04:09 <guru3> yes
04:09 <n54> :D
04:09 <n54> only spanish left then?
04:11 <guru3> yup
04:12 <n54> muy bien! :)
04:12 <guru3> si senor
04:31 <z-man> This one probably is of interest to everyone here: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3469
04:34 <n54> smart, sounds good to me
04:54 <guru3> oh my that's long
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04:55 <n54> what's long?
04:56 <guru3> the post
04:57 <n54> hmm  thought it concise and to the point :)
04:58 <n54> but I didn't notice _evil_ triumvirate until now hehe :D
05:00 <guru3> heh
05:00 <n54> :)
05:00 <guru3> i thought it was simply going to be 'btw, here's lucifer'
05:00 <guru3> ><
05:01 <n54> :)
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05:04 <z-man> Darn, forgot the "Don't worry, I mande him promise not to eat you" bit.
05:04 <z-man> made
05:04 <guru3> x)
05:05 <n54> :D
05:06 <z-man> yeah, my announcement posts tend to get a bit long, sorry about that. Thought I'd explain exactly what we're up to.
05:06 <n54> I think most will find it explanatory, people like me who are more or less clueless :)
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05:09 <guru3> :D
05:12 <n54> :)
06:31 <n54> middle of the day and I'm dead tired *gives up and goes to sleep* :| cya all :)
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07:43 <wrtlprnft> nice choice :) Although as long as z-man-work and guru3 agree, Lucifer has no chance anyways, it seems
07:44 <guru3> lol
07:45 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: huh? no, the server restarted because I said /admmin quit
07:45 <wrtlprnft> It was a surprise for the guy who bluffed to be admin, he wasn't
07:45 <wrtlprnft> and the logs i uploaded don't contain that
07:49 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: ah, I thought you wanted to report a bug :)
07:50 <z-man-work> and that send me on wild speculations.
07:51 <wrtlprnft> oh, no, sorry for wasting your time
07:51 <wrtlprnft> i said, imagine HIS surprise, which means i wasn't surprised at all
07:52 <wrtlprnft> i still have to figure out what to make out of this engine post of you... i have nothing to say to it, and neither does anyone else... I'm happy if it works, but i have no clue about the engine anyways
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07:55 <z-man-work> yeah, I thought the silence was a sign of baffledness :) Maybe I'll manage to make a simplified followup post.
07:56 <wrtlprnft> don't worry, i read it all, but i don't know what's best since i have absolutely no experience with that code
07:56 <wrtlprnft> I'll be happy if i undestand sensors one day for the HUD#
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08:25 <xTs> hi
08:25 <xTs> is there a static linked version of armagetronad somewhere?
08:32 <guru3> not that i know of
08:32 <guru3> theoretically possible to compiled i think
08:33 <xTs> would be nice, because the autoconfig-thingy doesn't work everywhere
08:35 <guru3> the regular configure script?
08:37 <xTs> does not work where headers are missing
08:37 <guru3> that's... odd
08:37 <guru3> a precompiled with dynamic libraries?
08:38 <xTs> won't work either. missing libSDL_image
08:38 <z-man-work> xTs: of course it fails if headers are missing; compilation would fail then, too.
08:38 <guru3> i think that comes under the heading of 'bad luck'
08:38 <xTs> compiling libSDL wont get it to work
08:39 <z-man-work> isn't it enough to install all the _devel packages to SDL, SDL_image and that?
08:40 <z-man-work> The closest we have to a statically linked version are the autopackages. They contain libxml2 already.
08:41 <z-man-work> But wherever I was until now, compiling SDL/SDL_image and installing them from source always made compilation of AA work...
08:41 <z-man-work> What are your specifics, xTs? System type, distribution, all that.
08:43 <xTs> fedora i think
08:43 <xTs> core 4
08:43 <z-man-work> The autopackage should work there, and the rpm, too. Tested it with
08:43 <xTs> pentium 4, 1GB RAM
08:43 <xTs> well, as user you can just unpack the rpm
08:44 <z-man-work> can't?
08:44 <xTs> can
08:44 <xTs> but installation is prohibited ;)
08:44 <z-man-work> ok :)
08:44 <z-man-work> but the autopackage supports per-user installation.
08:45 <xTs> i know
08:45 <z-man-work> you just have to remember to pass it the -t flag, or it will crash later in the installation
08:45 <xTs> but it throws an error ;)
08:45 <z-man-work> even with -t?
08:46 <xTs> what does -t?
08:46 <z-man-work> text mode installation
08:50 <xTs> hm, have to leave
08:50 <xTs> bye bye
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08:50 <guru3> Oo
08:50  * z-man-work wonders if that means it didn't work
08:51 <guru3> i dunno im slightly confused
08:51 <guru3> what keeps the auto installer thing from working anyway?
08:51 <z-man-work> That most distris don't install headers for libraries.
08:52 <guru3> the installer?
08:52 <z-man-work> so you can use them in compiled programs, but you can't compile a program that uses them
08:52 <guru3> replace auto installer with autopackage
08:52 <guru3> the thing you have to use -t on
08:52 <guru3> what keeps it from working without -t
08:52 <z-man-work> Some unknown crash
08:53 <guru3> hmm ok
08:53 <guru3> maybe we can put it in a wrapper to automatically use -t?
08:53 <z-man-work> Hmm
08:53 <guru3> i think i can write one in shell
08:53 <guru3> at least i've seen it done
08:56 <z-man-work> we could try to simply hack the .autopackage script, it seems to transfer control to the installer, passing all the flags
08:56 <z-man-work>     "$meta_dir/apkg-installer" "$@"
08:56 <z-man-work> change that to
08:56 <z-man-work>     "$meta_dir/apkg-installer" -t "$@"
08:56 <z-man-work> and maybe we're done
08:57 <guru3> that would be good
08:58 <z-man-work> seems to work
08:58 <guru3> great
08:58 <z-man-work> I was afraid it would trigger the MD5 check, but that's not run on the entire script, only the payload
08:59 <z-man-work> Of course, whith this hack in place, the user can't install it in graphical mode any more.
09:00 <z-man-work> But that doesn't work on Ubuntu 5.10, FC4 and SuSE 9.1 anyway
09:00 <z-man-work> Lucifer has one system where it does work :)
09:01 <z-man-work> Aww, anyway, I'll just integrate this little hack in our release system. Should be ready for
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09:05 <guru3> cool
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12:18 <SuPeRTaRD> hi all
12:18 <SuPeRTaRD> did you miss me?
12:18 <SuPeRTaRD> ;p
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> hi
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> found my power inverter :)
12:36 <z-man-work> I didn't know you could invert power...
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> 12VDC to 115VAC, 60hz
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> it plugs into a cigarette lighter and gives you a regular house-like plug :)
12:37  * z-man-work wonders why that's not called CONverter
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> if I knew slightly more about electronics than I know, I could answer that for you
12:38 <z-man-work> heh
12:38 <z-man-work> morning, btw, and hi tard.
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> morning
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> I need a box to put all this stuff in.  :)
12:38 <z-man-work> Umm, no, SuPeRTaRD, I didn't miss you very much to be honest, but good to see you anyway :)
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> hard to miss someone when you know they'll be back soon, eh?  ;)
12:41 <z-man-work> I thought all we know is that they all do come back, but not when.
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> supertard's different, he says he won't be back for awhile and then you see him next week
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> basically it's usually opposite the time estimate he gives you.  :)
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> awww, man.  My thinkpad didn't have a touchpad
12:43 <z-man-work> Only a nipple?
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> not a good ui to consider while driving
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> I was hoping I might find a pinout for the keyboard and see if I could build a little case for it :)
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> not a biggie, plenty of ps/2 keyboards and pointer devices, the LCD is the important thing here
12:45 <z-man-work> How about a touchscreen? It should be possible to retrofit a crude one.
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> it would also be particularly nice if I could use this cd drive, it's pretty thin
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'd love a touchscreen.
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> but it's a "no money" sort of project.  I can buy little electronic parts needed to wire stuff up, but the big parts that cost real money I have to scrape from spares
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> but I saved my broken laptop for exactly this sort of hair-brained scheme.  :)
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12:56 <guru3> what sort of scheme?
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://store.earthlcd.com/s.nl/sc.7/category.223/.f
12:56 <Lucifer_arma> car computer
12:57 <guru3> heh
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> I saw a webpage awhile back that described how to make a regular vga plug for the lcd from the laptop.  can't seem to find it now...
12:57 <guru3> gotcha
12:57 <guru3> cool
12:57 <guru3> share the link if/when you find it :P
12:59 <guru3> i'm looking into running mysqld from its own dir so i can have more than one on my server to test the clustering
13:08 <guru3> or i'll look at it later
13:19 <GodTodd> anyone have any idea as to the possible collectability of a Green Jello cd?
13:19 <GodTodd> heh
13:19 <guru3> Oo
13:19 <Lucifer_arma> I hear the ones that said Jello are wroth a lot of money, actually
13:19 <Lucifer_arma> and very very rare
13:19 <GodTodd> hmmmm
13:20 <GodTodd> i have one that's in really good condition
13:20 <z-man-work> Jello or Jelly?
13:20 <z-man-work> I only got Green Jelly :)
13:21 <GodTodd> no...it's jello
13:21 <GodTodd> :D
13:21 <GodTodd> bought it when it first came out
13:22 <GodTodd> somehow it was like the only cd that ended up at my mom's house that DIDN'T get its jewel case smashed to a pulp
13:22 <GodTodd> heh
13:23 <GodTodd> not that i really want to sell it (or need to for that matter) just would be cool to know if i'm sitting on some real cash
13:23 <GodTodd> :D
13:28 <z-man-work> Well, misprints/first editions that were changed later for weird reasons always are kind of valuable
13:29 <z-man-work> I'd say to look it up on ebay, but probalby the sale of them is prohibited there.
13:30 <GodTodd> nah...i'm tracking a few now....not as high as i'd like to see ;)
13:32 <GodTodd> hmmm...i also have a 24 carat gold Dark Side of the Moon...
13:32 <GodTodd> think that was 25$ new
13:32  * GodTodd is going through his cds since he is anxiously awaiting his wrathchild cds
13:32 <GodTodd> heh
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> why do I never bookmark neat pages?  I have nothing but crap, I swear.
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> Something that tells me how to wire a car stereo to a power supply, for example.
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> but why didn't I bookmark that lcd page that told me how to stick a vga connector on my thinkpad's lcd?  :(
13:35 <GodTodd> i got tired of that myself...so if anything i OVERbookmark now
13:35 <GodTodd> :)
13:51 <GodTodd> looking for something like this, luci: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/03/using_a_laptop_lcd_with_a_vga.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
13:51 <GodTodd> obviously not that one specifically because they haven't yet posted how they did it
13:51 <GodTodd> :/
14:00 <guru3> looks really not promising
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14:11 <GodTodd> blergle
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> except right now I'm off to finish my residency chore.  Just went with my neighbor to notarize the letter.  :)
14:28 <SuPeRTaRD> its called an inverter cuz DC was born first
14:28 <SuPeRTaRD> an earlier invention
14:28 <SuPeRTaRD> alternating current is alien technology
14:29 <SuPeRTaRD> anyone know: torque/torquescript, C++, C#, Python, Java
14:29 <SuPeRTaRD> & want to work on an indie game with me?
14:30 <SuPeRTaRD> and some other peeps
14:30 <SuPeRTaRD> if it sells we'll get paid
14:30 <SuPeRTaRD> its got a badass concept & stuff 4 publishers have shown interest
14:32 <SuPeRTaRD> anyways, if anyoene wants to program some insectoid civilization meets rpg meets pikmin  typa game goto #zeolite
14:32 <SuPeRTaRD> blah
14:33 <SuPeRTaRD> just kidding about the inverter,..   i think its cuz it combines 2 positives into 1 positive 1 negative dc..    on ac the current switches in a sine wave really fast
14:34 <SuPeRTaRD> speed of light or so\
14:34 <SuPeRTaRD> mebbe thats nto right
14:34  * SuPeRTaRD shrugs
14:34 <SuPeRTaRD> 2 become 1  = inverter
14:35 <SuPeRTaRD> electricity is a hoax!   it should be called magnetricity       most testing equipment only mesure the positive side
14:36 <SuPeRTaRD> i tell you
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15:21 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: grats :)
15:22 <wrtlprnft> although, as i said to z-man and guru3 already: If the two agree you have no chance ;)
15:22 <z-man> But if Lucifer_arma and guru3 agree, I have no chance. It's mutual :)
15:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but until now you two did agree
15:23  * wrtlprnft has another thing to throw on his pile: a more performant wrappind algorythm
15:23 <wrtlprnft> *wrapping
15:23 <guru3> heh
15:24 <wrtlprnft> or, better, make text boxes persistent
15:24 <wrtlprnft> so you only have to re-wrap them if they change
15:24 <z-man> Yes! absolutely.
15:24 <z-man> And possibly, if the user values performance more than memory, you don't even have to re-render them
15:25 <wrtlprnft> it'll definitely be needed for real tables and stuff
15:25 <wrtlprnft> the current score table, if you use a font that doesn't have a fixed width and someone is called mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm it'll be too wide and overlap with the score
15:26 <wrtlprnft> and wrapping long words is a mess as well
15:27 <wrtlprnft> what about leaving rTextField as it is, but making a rTextBox? Things that frequently change and don't need wrapping and colors and stuff can be redrawn completely every frame
15:27 <wrtlprnft> so rTextFied would not have wrapping, but rTextBox would
15:36 <z-man> Fine by me.
15:38 <wrtlprnft> any better name maybe?
15:38 <wrtlprnft> TextArea would be more HTML- like
15:39 <z-man> Box is fine, it says clearly that it has boundaries
15:39 <z-man> Isn't a text area some place where you enter text in html?
15:39 <guru3> yes
15:40 <wrtlprnft> yes it is
15:40 <z-man> Well, TextBox would only display it. I'd say box fits better.
15:40 <wrtlprnft> i was comparing it more to text area and input type="text"
15:41 <z-man> In LaTeX, areas with text/forumulas inside are all called boxes
15:41 <z-man> But it seems I'm the only one taking LaTeX as a reference for stuff here :)
15:42 <wrtlprnft> heh, my knowledge of latex is restricted to wikipedia formulas
15:42 <z-man> People get confused when I write \approx and int_a^b x^2 dx = {1\over 3}(b^3-a^3)
15:42 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: would you mind breaking the wiki again so noone can create new pages?
15:43 <z-man> Spambots on a rampage?
15:43 <wrtlprnft> yep
15:44 <wrtlprnft> rollbaclk of normal pages takes 2 clicks, deleting a new page takes 3 klicks and specifying a reason
15:47 <wrtlprnft> what annoys me is that some spam survived 18 hours
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16:05 <SKinner> anyone here speak english?
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16:07 <GodTodd> nope
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16:09 <wrtlprnft> not me, sorry
16:10 <wrtlprnft> don't speak it at all, not even a bit
16:11 <McSpiddles> speak what?
16:12 <wrtlprnft> english
16:12 <McSpiddles> .....
16:12 <McSpiddles> i thought that was a dead launguage
16:12 <McSpiddles> like pig latin
16:12 <wrtlprnft> this channel is all latin now
16:12 <McSpiddles> if that even was a language >.>
16:12 <wrtlprnft> english is dead
16:13 <McSpiddles> yea,and so are my english grades
16:13 <McSpiddles> :/
16:13 <wrtlprnft> oh well. you don't wanna see my french grades
16:14 <McSpiddles> they expect me to know another sub-language before you can get into college,that sucks cause i barely know english xD
16:14 <wrtlprnft> sub-language? what's that?
16:14 <McSpiddles> like
16:14 <McSpiddles> a second language
16:14 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
16:14 <wrtlprnft> so like me talking english right now?
16:15 <McSpiddles> typing!
16:15 <wrtlprnft> or would that be the second foreign language?
16:15 <McSpiddles> but yea :p
16:15 <McSpiddles> depends
16:15 <wrtlprnft> ever heard of voice recognition?
16:15 <wrtlprnft> who tells you i'm not talking to my computer and it makes text of it?
16:15 <McSpiddles> what's your main language?
16:16 <wrtlprnft> guess
16:16 <McSpiddles> german?
16:16 <wrtlprnft> tada! you're right!
16:16 <McSpiddles> then,english would be your second language :p,i think :/
16:17 <wrtlprnft> and then comes french, but je ne parle pas francais tr�s bien
16:17 <wrtlprnft> yep
16:17 <wrtlprnft> ne parle pas francais? ne parle francais pas?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> grr, see?
16:17 <McSpiddles> where's belgium at?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> at?
16:17 <McSpiddles> yea,my geography sucks
16:18 <McSpiddles> that's another thing
16:18 <wrtlprnft> uh, left of germany
16:18 <wrtlprnft> over france
16:18 <McSpiddles> the only things i'm really good at is math and science :p
16:18 <wrtlprnft> under the netherlands
16:18 <McSpiddles> k
16:18 <wrtlprnft> uh, northeast of britain
16:18 <McSpiddles> my ancestors are from belgium
16:18 <wrtlprnft> *southeast
16:18  * wrtlprnft should stick to up, down, left, right
16:19 <McSpiddles> lol!
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> English isn't a foreign language.  :)
16:36 <wrtlprnft> sure it is for me
16:36 <wrtlprnft> german isn't a foreign language
16:37 <MaZuffeR> german is my 4th language :)
16:38 <wrtlprnft> na dann...
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> I only speak german when I'm sick
16:38 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> and need to cough up a ball of mucus
16:38 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't that mean you always speak german jk
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> haha
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> Belgium is in the Germany->France invasion route, you can't miss it.
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> ack, but I"m in a weird mood, heh.
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> ACC has finally recognized my Texas residence
16:40 <wrtlprnft> but only if you want to invade france you go through belgium
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> right, if you just want to trade or visit family, you go directly
16:41 <wrtlprnft> If you just want to go to the south near the ocean you're more likely to go through swizerland
16:41 <wrtlprnft> at least if you live in munich or anyplace near
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it was always cheaper to just go around switzerland?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> Why?
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> with a big army?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> you don't have to stop there
16:42 <wrtlprnft> not with an army
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, but you still have to go up quite a ways, don't you?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> if you have an army you go trhoug belgium, correct
16:42 <wrtlprnft> if you want to paris you go directly
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you're not talking about invasion routes then
16:43 <wrtlprnft> * to paris as a tourist
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> what I"ve always wondered, and this is probably a failing on my part, is that, um, ok.
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> We're given as one of the reasons the Soviets kept east europe to itself the fact that poland was a traditional invasion route from the west into Russia, right?
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> so they could essentially put a forward defense in poland.
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> But whenever I look at the history books, the only invasion of Russia I see from the west is Napolean, and the Russians came out of that war (and WWII, that's the other invasion) stronger than before
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> What other invasions are there that they're worried about?
16:45 <wrtlprnft> well, WW1 there was an eastern front too
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but that one was instigated by the russians, iirc.
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> responding to their alliance, Russia jumped in, then Germany or Austria or somebody declared war or Russia.
16:45 <wrtlprnft> the german focused more on the west, yes
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> not the same as Napolean or Hitler formally invading Russia like they did.
16:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:46 <wrtlprnft> although, did germany ever get to russia in WWII?
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they got all the way to Moscow
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> iirc, they even occupied Moscow for a few hours
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> I could be wrong, could be that their army was stopped at Moscow
16:47 <wrtlprnft> there's two class i really suck in germany, that's french and history
16:47 <wrtlprnft> *classes
16:47 <wrtlprnft> *suck at
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, after Moscow, they pulled back to Stalingrad, and the war on the whole was decided there over the next year or so
16:47 <wrtlprnft> maybe i suck in english too, it seems
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> Hitler is first hated for killing Jews, and second hated for wiping out all the beautiful churches and other buildings in St. Petersburg (Leningrad at the time of invasion)
16:49 <wrtlprnft> at least the war ended the great depression
16:51 <guru3> good night
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> 'night guru3
16:52 <wrtlprnft> night
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> tank!  Your car just ran a red light!
16:57 <wrtlprnft> red lights?
16:58 <wrtlprnft> i don't see any lights
16:58 <wrtlprnft> just a plain street
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17:21 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/sp.php
17:21 <wrtlprnft> just got bored and copied over the MBC stats page and changed the source URL
18:18 <n54> #weather oslo, norway
18:18 <armabot> n54: Error: Could not find weather information.
18:19 <n54> #weather Oslo, Norway
18:19 <armabot> n54: Error: Could not find weather information.
18:19 <n54> #weather oslo
18:19 <armabot> n54: Temperature: 49.5°F / 9.7°C | Humidity: 99% | Pressure: 29.24in / 990.1hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 12:50 AM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:53 � F. / 12 � C.; Rain. Low:48 � F. / 9 � C.; Chance of Rain. High:55 � F. / 13 � C.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 � F. / 9 � C.; Chance of Rain. High:53 � F. / 12 � C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:48 � F. / 9 � C.;
18:20 <n54> guess there's a high chance of rain... :\
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22:32 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Jews were not even a majority of people killed by the WW2 Holocaust
22:34 <Luke-Jr> z-man-work: I think we may be developing a organization/authority style by accident-- eg, certain two people (such as Luci & I) agreeing making something definate
22:36 <n54> Luke-Jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Death_toll
22:36 <Luke-Jr> n54: Wikipedia doesn't make facts
22:37 <n54> well it's certainly more authorative than you
22:37 <Luke-Jr> not necessarily
22:37 <Luke-Jr> in some cases, probably
22:37 <n54> sorry but it's not you who decide that
22:38 <n54> it's me :)
22:38 <Luke-Jr> but since the Jews like to bend these figures to their benefit, probably not in this case
22:39 <Luke-Jr> n54: linking a wikipedia page with likely misinformation isn't going to stand as an argument for me, so I won't even try to refute it ;)
22:40 <Luke-Jr> not that I imagine there's much to refute-- it probably just has a number
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> 6 million Jews, 10 million total, including homosexuals, generic non-germans, women, communists, etc.
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> 6 million is a majority in 10 million
22:41 <Luke-Jr> except 6 million isn't true
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> got a source?  "Luke says" has been demonstrably proven untrustworthy
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> cite or shut it
22:42 <n54> what's your point exactly Luke? you like nazis? you don't like jews? you're insane?
22:42 <Luke-Jr> I'm sure Google can find some sources for you
22:43 <Luke-Jr> I have better things to do than to prove some irrelevant point
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> google is not itself a source, and you need to provide the source since you're the one asserting the fact
22:43 <Luke-Jr> Google can *find* some sources, I said. Not that it was one.
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> see?  this is why "Luke says" is untrustworthy.  Because whenever he's called on the table, he backs down and says "I don't have time for this"
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't have the time, don't do the crime.
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> I asked for a source, not a search engine.
22:43 <Luke-Jr> no crime in stating the truth
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> if you say it's true, you have to be prepared to back it, which you're not.  Therefore it's likely not true.
22:44 <Luke-Jr> on this matter, if you want proof, either find it for yourself, or just continue believing something wrong
22:44 <Luke-Jr> I don't care whether you believe it's true or not
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> why?  I've seen plenty of credible sources that give the numbers I gave.
22:44 <n54> well I don't care wasting more time on you luke, bye bye
22:44 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: are they all Zionist influenced?
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't care what I believe, why bother chiming in?
22:45 <Luke-Jr> Anyway, I don't care. Believe what you will.
22:45 <Luke-Jr> to give the truth a voice
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> a voice without credibility is worthless, you're only undermining your truth
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> 6 million, afaik, is the "official" number, but estimates range anywhere from 5-8 million Jews.  The nazis kept good records and all, but many of them were destroyed.
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> just like the estimated death toll for the whole war is just that, an estimate, and the actual count could be higher or lower
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't really matter what the exact numbers are, unless you can cite something that is statistically significant.  It's still genocide, and it's still evil.
22:47 <Luke-Jr> I suggest you research it if you want to find the truth. Otherwise, I'm done talking about it
22:47 <Lucifer_arma>  /ignore Luke-Jr
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> oops
22:47 <n54> yeah I did the same, I have a limit
22:47 <Luke-Jr> kinda pointless to ignore me once I'm done talking
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> I get tired of "here's the fact, research it if you don't believe me"
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> the burden of proof rests with the person asserting the fact.  That's why prosecutors have to prove guilt.  Presumption of innocence and all that.
22:48 <n54> I'm all for people having contradictary opinions but not incessant "you're wrong - I'm right"-trolling
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> n54: if I ever assert a fact that I'm not willing to back up or back down from, just shoot me.
22:48 <Luke-Jr> #echo kinda pointless to ignore me once I'm done talking... *back to work on svn conversion* (ps, burden of proof might lie with me if I cared for you to accept the fact, but I don't)
22:48 <armabot> kinda pointless to ignore me once I'm done talking... *back to work on svn conversion* (ps, burden of proof might lie with me if I cared for you to accept the fact, but I don't)
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore Luke-Jr
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:49 <n54> hey we all fall into that trap once in a while lucifer, we're all human
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore Luke-Jr
22:49 <armabot> blah
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> damn, forgot the admin key
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> #list admin
22:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add Luke-Jr
22:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore list
22:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 'Luke-Jr!n=luke-jr@2002:1891:f657:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d'
22:50 <Luke-Jr> dumb...
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> my 7 year old has more advanced development, I think.  grrrr.
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go smoke a cigarette
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, looked into that LCD thing
22:51 <n54> good idea
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> turns out that you can't use LCD's from laptops like that.  The problem is the controller is usually integrated into the motherboard and inseparable.
22:52 <n54> oh
22:52 <n54> ah that would be the DRAM I gues
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> so it's either buy an LCD that has a controller, or buy a custom made controller for $300+
22:52 <n54> hmm wonder if it would be possible to remove the chip from the mb?
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> so the reason I was keeping this broken laptop around has expired, I'm gonna chunk it
22:53 <n54> well maybe the screen will break on another laptop?
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> *if* you could figure out which parts it was, sure.  Except the controller likely has an interface that only works with the video chip set that's there.
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> has to match models.
22:53 <n54> yeah...
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> that may not be entirely true, there might be a more useful interchange, but for all practical purposes it's true.
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> if I ran a salvage shop, maybe I'd care about interchange.  :)
22:54 <n54> yeah for a quick swap it would have to be true
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> but I found my power inverter.  So I just need to work out the visual, and some other stuff.  I think I'm going to start with a UI that has no visual interface and see what I can do with it.
22:55 <n54> I once heard/saw something about people reusing motherboard components to build routers iirc - somewhat advanced I guess
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can solder, and I can follow wiring harnesses, and occasionally read a simple circuit board.  :)  The rest is beyond my ability.
22:56 <n54> yeah, might not be worth the effort really
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to justify costs is what I need to do.  if I can show it's worth putting some money into it, the money will materialize.
22:57 <n54> btw what was wrong with the laptop? I think you said but I've forgotten
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> we also do allowances, it's a good fair way to distribute discretionary money.  I can save mine up for the parts I want, and with me getting my car going that'll be a lot easier than it was last semester.
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I *think* the motherboard was bad.
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> the hard drive definitely was bad, so I replaced it.  Then it just stopped working completely, right?  No pings, no sshd response, nothing.
22:58 <n54> old/new laptop? big/small?
22:58 <n54> hmm
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> So I sold the new hard drive out of it, and it was bad.  I got that warranteed for my customer.
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> so now I'm sitting here with a thinkpad that lacks a laptop, and can't boot.  I tried knoppix to see if the broken hard drive had something to do with it.
22:59 <n54> ok
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> the laptop was bought refurbished, it's a Thinkpad a22e.  800mhz Celeron, 256MB RAM.
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> it was a nice work laptop when it worked.  Not terribly fast, true, but fine for working.  Solid keyboard, lightweight, etc.
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> This compaq I've got is a sweet computer, but the keyboard'd pretty crappy and the damn thing is heavy.
23:00 <n54> perhaps you could sell it here for them to use components *doesn't know* http://www.impactcomputers.com/ibmparts-ibm-thinkpad-thinkpad-a22e-parts.html
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> I actually just went over the subject with my wife and determined I've got better things to spend my time with.  :)
23:00 <n54> or simply ebay
23:00 <n54> ok :)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't feel right throwing it on ebay without a positive diagnosis.  I'm sure enough it's a motherboard that I'd buy one if they weren't so damn expensive,
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> but not sure enough to sell it to somebody and tell them "just replace the motherboard, put a hard drive in it"
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> and I checked the market for spare parts, and there's plenty.  :)  I doubt I'd get much for it.
23:01 <n54> just say so as there might be someone out there with the same thinkpad with a faulty screen (screens break easily etc.)
23:01 <n54> ok :)
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> actually, while that's a possibility, this particular thinkpad model was notorious for having a strong screen.  :)
23:02 <n54> lol ok
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> the motherboard at thinkpadparts.com is $1000.  I found another place selling it for $345 on sale.
23:02 <n54> yikes
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's no big deal.  I was keepig it around for the screen, not intending to salvage anything else of value out of it.
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> that was the fakest sex scene I've ever seen
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00:33 <Lucifer_arma> yay, my spare computer fits under the seat of my car
00:33 <n54> hehe
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> it's the one I tried to host the wiki on but it kept crashing.  Yet it ran for several hours before doing so, it should be fine, provided I can get it to boot and play some music before I get to where I'm going.
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> so, I need to determine if it'll run on the 3 amp fuse that's in the cigarette lighter, or if I need to run another circuit with a 15 amp fuse (the max for the inverter)
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> I figure I'll just use a keyboard, have it boot into single-user mode, and maybe I'll write up a python app to wrap the media players.
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> know a good all-purpose command line media player?  Or will I have to chain a bunch together?
00:39  * Lucifer_arma wonders if mplayer will take keyboard input if it doesn't open a window
00:40 <n54> no idea
00:42 <n54> would it7they care if it opened a window that wasn't actually displayed?
00:42 <n54> it/they*
00:43 <n54> almost a koan...
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, no gui means I don't want to waste resources on X
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> that means most of the media players will have unsatisfied dependencies, since they ultimately depend on X
00:46 <n54> mm yeah
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> mpd looks promising
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's a music player daemon, and there's a command line client for it
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's very promising, all things considered
00:48 <n54> ,pg321 perhaps?
00:49 <n54> mpg*
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's mpeg only
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> need ogg vorbis, too
00:51 <n54> ok
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> see, I could write a python app to wrap mpg123 and the ogg version of it, but it'd be nice to have a bigger, more functional program that does it all
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> mpd is looking very promising, actually.  Might still need to wrap it, though.  The UI looks pretty dependent on being able to *see* it.
00:52 <n54> here's something google threw up: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/01/msg00026.html
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I was looking through my package list.  Stopped on mpd, music123 is farther down.  :)
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> it has the advantage of being a single program, mpd might be complex to manage.
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> the advantage to mpd doesn't show until I've figured out other useful apps to run without a visual interface, or put a visual interface on there
00:55 <n54> moosic and music123 looks intersting though?
00:56 <n54> http://www.nanoo.org/~daniel/moosic/
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> randomplay looks good, too
00:57 <n54> I doubt you'll have to code anything, there seems to be lots of alternatives
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> coding anything means UI only.  :)
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> I need a regular media-player like interface, where I can hit shuffle, next, previous, play, stop, and maybe that's it.
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> Volume will be handled on the CD player, so I want the mixer on the computer to always be at about 80%, maybe 100%
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> mpc doesn't appear to give me that interface, though.
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> only one way to find out
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I"ll start with music123, it looks like the simplest of the choices
01:00 <n54> did you look at the moosic page?
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> features after those basic ones are going to depend on how useful a UI can be made that has no visual feedback element
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it'll probably be the next one I look at.  It'll be the first client/server app, anyway.  :)  mpd's command line client looks like it requires a monitor
01:01 <n54> ok :)
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> music123 is out
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's only ui is control-c
01:04 <n54> ack lol
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> and if it's playing multiple songs, that just moves it to the next song
01:05 <n54> moosic at least claims to be able to do a lot more, hope it does
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> mpg123 and its family (music123 is in it) are intended to be wrapped by other applications, so they have very basic interfaces
01:06 <n54> ok
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02:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think I've got a serial->ps/2 adapter laying around
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> that's a neat machine, n54 :)
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I don't have a template for a python console project :(
02:49 <guru3> you can't do serial -> ps2
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> ?  maybe it's the other way then..
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> I dont' remember, haven't seen it in awhile because it's pretty useless
02:52 <Luke-Jr> guru3: why not?
02:53 <guru3> doesn't work like that
02:54 <n54> bbiaw - phonecalls
02:54 <guru3> k
02:55 <GodTodd> http://ucables.com/ref/NKCO-FMBUS <--- serial -> ps2 cable
02:56 <GodTodd> http://www.saveateagle.com/i-165.html <--- serial -> ps2 adapter
02:58 <Luke-Jr> =p
02:59  * n54 says to himself "that was quick" in dry gauntlet voice
02:59 <n54> ah so you can do serial -> ps2?
02:59 <GodTodd> of course you can....the whole mouse connecter era
03:00 <GodTodd> :)
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> a better question (read: important now :)  ), how do you read one unbuffered byte at a time from stdin in python?
03:00 <n54> yeah I kinda thought so but...
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's gotta be something simple...
03:00 <guru3> ps/2 -> serial ok
03:00 <guru3> but you can't do serial -> ps/2
03:00 <n54> hmm perhaps you're seeing it fro different directions?
03:01 <n54> nvm :)
03:01 <guru3> when you see serial -> ps/2
03:01 <guru3> it's for the older generation mice
03:01 <guru3> that supported both protcols
03:01 <guru3> it's not a true adapter
03:01 <n54> ok
03:02 <n54> not sure what you were asking there Lucifer
03:03 <n54> you want more inside python but only get it one at the time?
03:03 <n54> if so just do the fifo thing with lists
03:04 <guru3> g2g for a bit
03:04 <guru3> bbl
03:04 <n54> cya :)
03:06 <n54> inside python that is (but you're probably asking something more advanced)
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> what I want is to be able to press a key and have it do something right away
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> simple, right?  :)
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> I want C's getc() function
03:13 <n54> hmm like keyevent?
03:15 <n54> btw this keyboard looks nice doesn't it? although probably not for your use http://www.fentek-ind.com/rf-wireless-keyboard.htm#kbmrf100
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, like keyevent
03:16 <n54> hold on
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's easy with pygame
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> but there won't be sdl on the machine, so I can't use it
03:17 <n54> e.type== KEYDOWN;
03:17 <n54>    
03:18 <n54> ops sorry & ok no sdl
03:18 <n54> so forget the bothed example I was trying to write you ;)
03:19 <n54> botched
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> ncurses probably has the answer
03:21 <n54> or perhaps simply curses?
03:22 <n54> although I'm looking for something even simpler
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, curses
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> I was looking for something similar, but reading this page I think curses is exactly what I should use
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/curses/curses.html
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> s/similar/simpler
03:24 <n54> yeah I was browsing the py lib ref index
03:25 <n54> curses probably is the best though, couldn't find anything better at a glance
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03:28 <n54> I'm sure you've read point 5 User INput in your link, that seem nice & easy
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but now my terminal is stuck with no echo
03:32 <n54> how about the same old raw_input()?
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's buffered
03:33 <n54> ok
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> I got it going, sorta.  Need to solve that minor problem, but otherwise it's working fine.  I can read what I type in the window.  :)
03:33 <n54> just out of curiosity why does it have to me unbuffered? just for speed?
03:34 <n54> be*
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03:42 <Lucifer_arma> because I'll be *driving* while using this interface
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> so, it seems like the thing should have a series of like preset playlist
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> s
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> and a simple combination should add the currently playing song to a playlist
03:43 <n54> yup, moosic has that according to their site
03:43 <n54> that ability*
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> so it should be able to scan a directory tree and play all the songs there, and let you add stuff to playlists while it's playing
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> the idea being that while I'm driving I could assemble playlists.  :)
03:44 <n54> yeah but does it need to be unbuffered to do that? 
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> ack
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> you drive sometimes, right?
03:44  * n54 is probably just being thick - sorry
03:44 <n54> nope ;D
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> ah
03:45 <n54> although I know how :)
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> you've driven before?
03:45 <n54> yeah
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> ok, when you want to say "go to the next song", should it be one keypress or two?
03:45 <n54> one
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> same with play/pause/stop
03:45 <n54> yeah
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's why it has to be unbuffered
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> now, since it's unbuffered, there's baggage.  Key combinations I'll have to manually check for.
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> so I'll have to collect the keys into a sequence or something, and when the sequence matches a command, do something
03:46 <guru3> back
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> do that command, in fact
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, first I need to get it to play.  Worry about fancy stuff later.  :)
03:47 <n54> hold on I need to check what i did in some stuff and or if I actually used raw_input() with that or if it was a keyevent
03:49 <n54> sorry I wasn't thinking, I get you now
03:52 <n54> but you've convinced me there must/should be something else than curses, anything else seems weird to me (not that I've found it yet)
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's neat.  Has a ways to go before I put it in my car.  :)  I need to move towards my bed now.
03:57 <n54> ':)
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> I also should look around and see if I'm taking my only spare keyboard for this project.  Still, I have until the fall semester to worry about it.
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> unless something happens between now and then to give me an influx of unexpected cash (likely, the insurance company is willing to settle medical claims on the last car accident)
03:58 <n54> you ran over some old lady+
03:58 <n54> ?*
04:01  * n54 wonders if lucifer could simply use stdin
04:01 <n54> i.e. bypass raw_input()
04:05 <guru3> i so want a 770 :/
04:05 <n54> :) guru3
04:05 <n54> then you've decided+
04:06 <guru3> only my mom will probably try to talk me into something smaller & cheaper
04:06 <n54> ?*
04:06 <guru3> yeah
04:06 <guru3> you can do so much cool stuff with it
04:08 <n54> Tele2 doesn't have some ultracheap offer (with a real cheap subscription) on it or something like that?
04:09 <guru3> uh?
04:09 <guru3> it's not a phone
04:09 <n54> ooh sorry lol
04:09 <n54> it's a pda?
04:09 <guru3> tablet
04:10 <n54> I though you were aiming for either a phone or a laptop earlier
04:10 <guru3> runs linux :)
04:10 <n54> ah ok
04:10 <guru3> no
04:10 <guru3> tablet or laptop
04:10 <n54> ok :)
04:13 <n54> #help message
04:13 <armabot> n54: (message <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $1 $2".
04:14 <n54> #message Lucifer_arma take a look at this one http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/134892 as a replacement for curses
04:14 <armabot> n54: The operation succeeded.
04:15 <n54> guru3: what's the full name of the tablet?
04:15 <guru3> Nokia 770 Internet Tablet
04:15  * n54 googles it
04:19 <n54> nice but I see the prices vary with about 400$ :o
04:20 <guru3> that's not bad
04:20 <guru3> cheaper, smaller, cooler than a laptop
04:21 <n54> I looked at froogle and 350$ is the lowest price so far
04:21 <guru3> problem is i also want a 1gb memory card
04:21 <guru3> and a bt keyboard
04:21 <n54> buy seperately?
04:22 <guru3> you have to
04:22 <n54> I dunno what the official price or ordinary shop price is
04:22 <guru3> nor do i
04:22 <guru3> but it's ok
04:22 <n54> #g USD 350 to NOK
04:22 <armabot> n54: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:22 <guru3> cause my parents have to figure that stuff out
04:23 <n54> #g 350 USD to NOK
04:23 <armabot> n54: 350 U.S. dollars = 2,135.80028 Norwegian kroner
04:23 <n54> hehe :D
04:23 <guru3> #g 400 USD to NOK
04:23 <armabot> guru3: 400 U.S. dollars = 2,440.91461 Norwegian kroner
04:23 <guru3> #g 400 USD to SWE
04:23 <armabot> guru3: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:23 <guru3> #g 400 USD to SEK
04:23 <armabot> guru3: 400 U.S. dollars = 2,928.27912 Swedish kronor
04:23 <guru3> #help calc
04:23 <armabot> guru3: Error: That command exists in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify exactly which plugin command you want help with.
04:23 <guru3> #help g, calc
04:23 <armabot> guru3: Error: There is no command "g, calc".
04:23 <guru3> i have no idea how to use the damn bot :/
04:24 <n54> #help google calc
04:24 <armabot> n54: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
04:24 <guru3> #google calc 2928 * 1.15
04:24 <armabot> guru3: 2,928 * 1.15 = 3,367.2
04:24 <guru3> #google calc 2928 * 1.25
04:24 <armabot> guru3: 2,928 * 1.25 = 3,660
04:24 <guru3> meh
04:24 <n54> mind #g is an alias for #google calc
04:24 <guru3> hmm
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05:55 <guru3> g2g
05:55 <guru3> bbl
06:06 <z-man> second attempt build report: Sources are tagged, Linux and Windows builds are rolling.
06:07  * z-man pretends anyone is interested
06:12 <n54> ah, you're probably just the only dev around right now
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07:16 <Gnorty> ping
07:22 <z-man> #$%$^$ Visual C++
07:22 <z-man> I have this function that does nothing else than pass some parameter to another funciton, and VC6 manages to screw up that.
07:23 <z-man> I so hope the service pack I'm installing fixes that...
07:28 <wrtlprnft> I wonder what VC doesn't like about that template function in tXmlParser::node...
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07:33 <z-man> VC doesn't like any templates
07:33 <z-man> It's nothing personal against you :)
07:34 <wrtlprnft> doesn't like ANY templates at all?
07:34 <z-man> Well, some work
07:34 <z-man> but only special ones
07:34 <wrtlprnft> wow
07:34 <z-man> Standard template classes work
07:34 <z-man> template<class T> class Template{}
07:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i guess so, they have to
07:35 <z-man> but that's about it
07:35 <z-man> Template member functions, sometimes
07:35 <wrtlprnft> no template functions?
07:35 <z-man> Well, look at the tString to Int/Float/whatever functions....
07:35 <z-man> They should be templates, but aren't for VisualC
07:37 <wrtlprnft> that means if i decide I want to convert a tString to a tCoord i have to edit tString to make VC6 happy? that sucks
07:38 <Gnorty> hey :)
07:38 <Gnorty> wrtl - HUD questions :)
07:39 <Gnorty> is a coloured label possible? I think you already said no, but wanted to check
07:39 <Self_Destructo> colored label?
07:40 <Gnorty> yes. a label on the hud in a arbitrary color
07:40 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, but it's the job of the VC6 compatibility maintainer, not you :)
07:40 <wrtlprnft> uh, color codes, yes
07:40 <wrtlprnft> but yes, there should be an easier way
07:40 <Gnorty> ah. so if I did like text=0xff000Redlabel" it would work?
07:40 <z-man> and the compatibility maintainer is about to give up and force everyone to switch to vc8 :)
07:41 <wrtlprnft> it should, yes
07:41 <Gnorty> that is good enough for me, thanks :)
07:41 <wrtlprnft> look at the scores label in the default HUD ;)
07:41 <Gnorty> also the wiki could use a tutorial on tables :)
07:41 <wrtlprnft> uh, tutorial?
07:41 <wrtlprnft> what's so hard about it?
07:42 <Gnorty> aye, the HUD tutorial on the wiki ignores tables at present
07:42 <wrtlprnft> a table has rows and coloumns, that's about it
07:42 <wrtlprnft> oh, does it?
07:42 <Gnorty> but the data_source is tricky to work out
07:42 <wrtlprnft> data_source
07:42 <wrtlprnft> ?
07:43 <Gnorty> erm, my bad
07:43 <Gnorty> I meant to say AtomicData Source
07:43 <z-man> GRRR, The service pack didn't fix the error.
07:44 <Gnorty> not too hard, I figured it eventually, but still...
07:44 <z-man> That's it, VC6 is history.
07:44 <wrtlprnft> ?
07:44 <wrtlprnft> what was the last thing to get you to do it?
07:44 <z-man> Well, what can we do with a compiler that can't even generate a simple wrapper function?
07:45 <wrtlprnft> i don't really care, the fact that we offer two windows build seems to confuse people anyways
07:45 <Gnorty> I have to go shopping :(  see you later
07:45 <z-man> Yes, that's another point
07:45 <wrtlprnft> write assembly language instead!
07:45 <wrtlprnft> so the compiler doesn't need to worry about it
07:45 <z-man> haha
08:21 <guru3> back
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09:30 <Gnorty> http://gnorty.is-a-geek.com/images/screenshot_64.png
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09:32 <Gnorty> I would reduce the text size on the speed/brake guages and add captions, but I am happy with how it is
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--- Log opened Sat May 20 20:13:43 2006
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20:51 <wrtlprnft> hi :)
20:52 <wrtlprnft> why is my internet connection down more often than it is up? i get disconnected all the time...
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20:54 <wrtlprnft> hi, bye i guess
20:56 <wrtlprnft> uh, sh***, i guess we missed the spoon match against AW... i was away
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21:24  * McSpiddles sighs
21:25 <McSpiddles> i spent over 3 hours configuring a mysql db,installing/setting up a phpbb2 forum and finishing a webpage :|
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22:34  * Lucifer_arma is back.
22:35 <n54> hey did you see the alternatie to curses in python I messaged you?
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I did.  But I thought about it some more.  :)
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> Curses is for serial terminal text-based interfaces, right?
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> when I get one of those 2/4-line LCDs, what is it, exactly?
22:37 <n54> hmM
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm thinking the curses UI I build now should remain, and I"ll add graphical elements at some point when I get one of those LCDs.
22:38 <n54> might be more like any display
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> When I hook up an LCD to the regular video out, then I'll look at SDL or something and *keep* the curses UI going.
22:38 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: what about the match today?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> I might have to change how I poll for input, though.
22:39 <n54> they had regular video out? I thought it was usb and something else like perhaps serial
22:39 <McSpiddles> eh?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> I did the last hardware test I could and actually hooked it up in the car.  Works, but no software.  So the remaining work to be done is software.  :)
22:39 <n54> :)
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, the computer has several types of video outs...
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> the lcd screens tank linked to are serial connections
22:39 <McSpiddles> what time is it wrtl?
22:40 <n54> ah ok
22:40 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: uh, it was supposed to happen 2 hours 40 mins ago
22:40 <McSpiddles> well fuck
22:40 <wrtlprnft> i wasn't there and hoped you guys would get it running...
22:40 <McSpiddles> i've been busy,plus putting up with a girlfriend that's outta her goddamn mind
22:41 <McSpiddles> so i been pretty much tied up
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> freaky girl
22:41 <wrtlprnft> screw girlfriends ;)
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> I like that
22:41 <McSpiddles> freaky,no
22:41 <n54> psycho = !good
22:41 <McSpiddles> steal your heart then break it,yes :|
22:41 <McSpiddles> like 3 times :/
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, the first time was a mistake.  The second time ws stupid.  I won't even try to suggest what the third time was.
22:42 <McSpiddles> hard to explain
22:42 <n54> love
22:42 <McSpiddles> yea :/
22:42 <McSpiddles> spidey: ok,if this is melanie,you can pm when you're not outta your goddamn mind 
22:42 <McSpiddles> spidey: ...
22:42 <McSpiddles> melanie: ....
22:42 <McSpiddles> BUZZ!!!
22:42 <McSpiddles> melanie: 
22:42 <McSpiddles> spidey: if you're melanie,when was the last time we talked,besides today
22:42 <McSpiddles> melanie: Thursday
22:42 <McSpiddles> melanie: lmfao
22:42 <McSpiddles> melanie: When I was babysitting for my dad...my dad got on my comp. account the other night 
22:42 <McSpiddles> melanie: your number is 642-9348
22:42 <McSpiddles> melanie: I think lol
22:42 <McSpiddles> spidey: you wasn't babysitting thursday
22:43 <McSpiddles> spidey: we didn't even talk thursday
22:43 <McSpiddles> spidey: 
22:43 <McSpiddles> i'm thinking about taking someones advice,for those few months i didn't talk to you,there wasn't i day i didn't think about you,when i was in town i hoped i'd see you at one of the stores we was going to,it maybe just the ages difference that i let get to me,or maybe i actually was in love with you,who knows,i'll bbl
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, quit dating 12-year olds
22:43 <McSpiddles> 12?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> yay! my logs rotated!
22:43 <McSpiddles> she's 19...
22:43 <wrtlprnft> finally i can stop dealing with 150MB log files
22:44 <wrtlprnft> uh, well, on the server they did, on my laptop they did not :(
22:45 <McSpiddles> wrtl,did we forfiet or play it out?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue
22:45 <McSpiddles> and next time make armabot tell me
22:45 <wrtlprnft> not seen an aw
22:45 <McSpiddles> i wasn't aware the match was even rescheduled
22:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, i sent you an armabot message
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh, well I don't know what to tell you spidey.  One of my personl requirements for women has always been decisiveness.  I don't do this Ross Perot Romance bullshit.  Either you're in, or you're not, and I don't give second chances without a really damn good reason.
22:45  * wrtlprnft blames Lucifer_arma and his bot ;)
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely don't give third chances.
22:46 <wrtlprnft> #notes spidey
22:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
22:46 <wrtlprnft> #notes
22:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for guru3.
22:46  * Lucifer_arma blames the fact that spidey uses so many different nicknames.
22:46 <McSpiddles> well,i lost count of the number of chances,3 was a random number
22:46 <wrtlprnft> uh, they got reset?
22:46 <wrtlprnft> #notes guru3 
22:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 4 hours and 40 minutes ago: <n54> in the new forums visited posts aren't flagged as having been visited after you've read them, big usability issue there :S
22:46 <n54> yay for Lucifer! :D ross perot romance... lol XD
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I didn't see anything that looked current.  Sorry if anything disappeared...  :(
22:47 <McSpiddles> forums,blah
22:47 <n54> #notes
22:47 <armabot> n54: I currently have notes waiting for guru3.
22:47 <wrtlprnft> probably i didn't send the note to McSpiddles but to spidey
22:47 <n54> good
22:47 <McSpiddles> phpbb2 was a bitch to install,the mysql was all fucked up
22:47 <McSpiddles> http://fallinangels.no-ip.biz/
22:47 <wrtlprnft> and then they disappeared when you reset them...
22:47 <McSpiddles> but i got the site some done and the forums set up
22:48 <wrtlprnft> echo "dev-lang/php apache2" >> /etc/portage/package.use && emerge apache2 php mysql
22:48 <wrtlprnft> that's about it for setting up those 3 :D
22:50 <wrtlprnft> uh, i think you have to add mysql to the USE flags too, but maybe it's default
22:51 <n54> 30-0= <-- a moose from the front
22:51 <n54> 30-8= <-- a moose from the back 
22:51 <n54> :D
22:54 <wrtlprnft> #later tell guru3 is it intended that the smiley on the forums (in the description of the "Welcome" forum) is linking to http://guru3.sytes.net/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif , which is a 404?
22:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:55 <n54> hmm which smiley is it? some of them were made by me and might not have been put where the other usually are or something like that
22:57 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:57 <wrtlprnft> it links to guru3.sytes.net instead of forums.armagetronad.net
23:00 <wrtlprnft> and it's the standard smiley face
23:00 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:00 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:00 <n54> cya wrtlprnft :)
23:07 <McSpiddles> #later tell wrtlprnft armabot is your friend
23:07 <armabot> McSpiddles: The operation succeeded.
23:08 <McSpiddles> i'ma do what wrtl's doing
23:08 <McSpiddles> bbl
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