Log from 2006-05-17:
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00:55 <Lucifer_arma> is it safe to abort an emerge?
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> um, when it's updating with 140 packages, and only on #14?
00:56 <z-man-home> if you do it during the build phase, yes
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> so it builds them all first, then installs them?
00:57 <z-man-home> No, for every package, it unpacks the source, builds into a temporary directory, installs into a temporary directory, then copies the contents of that into your file system
00:57 <z-man-home> only the last bit could be dangerous to abort
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's on #17, which is glibc.  Does that means it's already installed up to #16?  Which includes gcc...
00:58 <z-man-home> IIRC, there are lots of >>>> on the screen during that phase
00:58 <z-man-home> yes
01:10 <Luke-Jr> merging stage is shortest ;)
01:10 <Luke-Jr> I think it changes the window title too
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, 140 packages is going to take a long time
01:10 <Luke-Jr> FWIW, no-ip SUCKS for any real DNS
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> so I wanted to cut it off and see if I could get the webserver back up right now and then do the update again, with a working webserver and the thing sitting on my machine
01:11 <Luke-Jr> I host my own DNS, thank you :)
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> ?  haven't had any problems with them....
01:11 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you haven't tried to do much then
01:12 <Luke-Jr> like, for example, fourth-level domains, SRV records, etc...
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, not really.
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, do you really want to use a dynamic ip dns service if you have that much stuff to do?
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think my calc teacher fudged some numbers, 'cause I don't see it
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> he says I got a 77 on the final (much lower than I expected), but still pulled an A for the class
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> no way, the numbers don't hold up.
01:13 <Luke-Jr> If you really want to use a dynamic DNS service, you really don't want to pay for it
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> not that I"m complaining, mind you.
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> why not?
01:13 <Luke-Jr> no point
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> 'splain
01:13 <Luke-Jr> why pay for a SLD when you're only resolving a single machine?
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> because that single machine changes ip addresses every now and again
01:14 <Luke-Jr> it can have a 3LD
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> 3LD?
01:14 <Luke-Jr> third-level
01:14  * Lucifer_arma doesn't know much about dns
01:14 <Luke-Jr> foo.bar.net
01:14 <Luke-Jr> or foobar.no-ip.com
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> right.  but I want it to be www.davefancella.com
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> and no-ip doesn't offer that one without money
01:15 <Luke-Jr> but if you're going to get that, might as well set it up for all your systems
01:15 <Luke-Jr> computername.davefancella.com
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> right, my one system :)
01:15 <Luke-Jr> you have only one computer? O.o
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> I have several, but only 2 that are currently in use, and one of those is frequently mobile
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> the others are more spare parts than computer
01:16 <Luke-Jr> mobile doesn't stop it from having an IP =p
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> when it's at home, it shares an IP.  Um, on the internet anyway.  nat here, of course
01:17 <Luke-Jr> that's fixable
01:17 <Luke-Jr> with IPv6
01:17 <Luke-Jr> yay for having a /64 (or was it a /128?)
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> and the ISP in my area that offers IPv6 is ...?
01:18 <Luke-Jr> /exec -o ping 192.88.99.1 -c 1
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> how do I list unmounted partitions?
01:19 <Luke-Jr> compare /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, I want to find partitions that aren't listed in fstab
01:20 <Luke-Jr> ...
01:20 <Luke-Jr> fdisk?
01:22 <n54> or cfdisk if one likes curses :)
01:22 <Luke-Jr> n54: I assume 'list' means non-UI
01:23 <n54> iirc cfdisk is ok with being run in a terminal
01:23 <Luke-Jr> UI doesn't mean GUI
01:24 <Luke-Jr> cfdisk isn't going to handle stdio communication with a script or program well
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> found the partition I was looking for
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> when I made this fstab, I left out the mandriva partitions, forgetting I needed to copy some of them over more or less unchanged
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> so, after I aborted that big emerge update thingee, if I emerge another package, will it attempt to pick up that big emerge all over again?
01:27 <Luke-Jr> no
01:27 <Luke-Jr> it will forget it
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> damn.  I did this so half-assed.  I didn't dump the databases, so now I have nothing to bring in.
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> last question about that emerge.  :)
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> if I reboot, is my system likely to be broken?
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> I guess technically that was my first question and is already answered, and there's only one way to find out anyway
01:30  * Lucifer_arma turns it off and puts it back in the bedroom
01:31 <Luke-Jr> er
01:31 <Luke-Jr> why would your system be broken?
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> because I did emerge -uDav world and stopped it?
01:31 <Luke-Jr> so?
01:32 <Luke-Jr> ...
01:32 <z-man-home> Essential libraries may have already been updated to incompatible versions and the non-updated programs still rely on the old, now removed version.
01:32 <z-man-home> That can happen and your system is broken.
01:33 <Luke-Jr> z-man-home: essential libraries are binary compatible
01:33 <z-man-home> Theory :)
01:33 <Luke-Jr> practice too
01:33 <Luke-Jr> unless you depend on DirectFB
01:33 <Luke-Jr> which sucks for compatibility
01:33 <z-man-home> not if you change our USE flags
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> server
01:33 <Luke-Jr> even if you do
01:33 <Luke-Jr> in most cases
01:34 <z-man-home> most :)
01:34 <Luke-Jr> obviously changing from linux to bsd will break stuff
01:34 <z-man-home> I *almost* had to do a reinstall when I switched to USE=minimal on my old laptop
01:34 <z-man-home> because not even the basic programs like ln, ls, cp were working any more
01:35 <z-man-home> If I hadn't had a still running sshd, I'd have been screwed
01:35 <Luke-Jr> binpkg
01:35 <z-man-home> emerge didn't work any more, either
01:35 <z-man-home> NOTHING worked
01:36 <Luke-Jr> binary packages don't need emerge
01:36 <Luke-Jr> just boot a LiveCD and extract them over your root
01:36 <z-man-home> well, mr superbrain, that whould be a reinstall, right?
01:36 <Luke-Jr> no
01:36 <Luke-Jr> you just extract the package you want to revert
01:36 <Luke-Jr> =p
01:37 <z-man-home> the affected files were in baselayout
01:37 <Luke-Jr> baselayout doesn't, AFAIK, contain any libs...
01:37 <z-man-home> all over the place, really
01:37 <z-man-home> Besides, my laptop can't boot from CD
01:37 <Luke-Jr> no, no... you revert the upgrade that broke crap
01:37 <Luke-Jr> that's dumb =p
01:38 <z-man-home> The installation had to be done from another PC, transplanting the HD
01:38 <Luke-Jr> eww
01:38 <z-man-home> see? :) I'd have been screwed without the running sshd that allowed me to scp files from a working installation over :)
01:38 <Luke-Jr> good thing you had a working one
01:39 <Luke-Jr> all my machines are different architectures
01:39 <Luke-Jr> one x86, one amd64, one ppc, and one arm
01:39 <Luke-Jr> oh, and one mips
01:39 <Luke-Jr> if you count the WRT54G
01:40 <Luke-Jr> Microsoft mice are evil
01:40 <Luke-Jr> they decide to turn off randomly
01:40  * z-man-home is amazed by the sudden toic change
01:40 <Luke-Jr> with that, I will say goodnight and go sleep
01:40 <z-man-home> night
01:41 <z-man-home> Probably, they only do that in Linux :)
01:41 <Luke-Jr> anything I do still can amaze you? wow
01:41 <Luke-Jr> dunno, supposedly it's the wire
01:41 <z-man-home> not really :)
01:41 <Luke-Jr> maybe Windoze has a workaround for buggy wires
01:41 <Luke-Jr> too bad my wife stole my wireless non-M$ mouse
01:41 <Luke-Jr> =p
01:42 <Luke-Jr> ok, I'm really gone now
01:42 <Luke-Jr> bye
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> my microsoft mouse is the greatest thing in the world
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's a teeny tiny thing, for laptops.  wireless, with a little clip-on place on the bottom of the mouse for the usb wireless plug thingeemabobber
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's awesome
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> c'mon armabot, get in here
01:44 <n54> hmm I wish I had a normal keyboard but with an inbuilt laptop-mouse pointer in the middle, those that look like pencil-end rubbers --heck I'd like two :D
01:45 <z-man-home> LO-GI-TECH! LO-GI-TECH! :)
01:45 <n54> hehe :D they have it?
01:46 <z-man-home> n54: I think there are keyboards that have that, not sure where to get them
01:46 <z-man-home> no, I was just countering Lucifer_arma's Microsoft praise :)
01:46 <n54> yeah odds are you're right (I haven't really searched for it)
01:46 <n54> oh ok lol :)
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01:46 <z-man-home> I also have a MS mouse, but it's the serial one that came with my very first computer
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> yay, armabot's here
01:47 <n54> #whoami
01:47 <z-man-home> And a MS joystick, which I'm happy with, a MS gamepad that sucks, and a Saitek Force Feedback wheel essentially build like a MS one which doesn't have any drivers for XP and 2000, grrr
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> I saw a neat keyboard at an auto parts store awhile back.  Between the keypad and the, umm, the rest, there was one of those touchpads like laptops have
01:48 <n54> I prefer the "mini-rubber-joystick" devices over touchpads
01:49 <n54> but still a keyboard like that if wireless + a comfy office chair would be heaven! :D
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> armabot's here, why the hell can't I ssh into the machine now?
01:50 <n54> hmm armabot doesn't seem awake to me...
01:50 <n54> #echo hello
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> #whoami
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> machine stalled while booting
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> stopped at "Loading usb printer"
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> um, booting into Mandriva
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> #whoami
01:55 <n54> hope it works out, although it sounds like it might be a tedious process
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01:55 <Lucifer_arma> nah, it was just stupid stuff.  I plugged the usb cable into a different plug.
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01:55 <Lucifer_arma> That really annoys me.
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> #whoami
01:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I don't recognize you.
01:56 <n54> ok time to reidentify :)
01:56 <z-man-home> That message could me a bit more lifelike. "I don't know you. Who are you? Get away from me! AAAAARGH!"
01:57 <n54> lol :D
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> don't get too comfortable, I'm bootig it back into gentoo in a little bit
01:58 <n54> ah ok np of course
01:58 <z-man-home> Bah, it's raining, and the pigeons left some presents on my bicycle
01:58 <n54> :|
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> fucking pigeons
01:59 <z-man-home> Good thing it has a raincover :)
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> not worth eating, not worth living, what do you do with them?
01:59 <z-man-home> apparently, some idiots feed them
01:59 <n54> some eat them
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> vi dump.sql wasn't a good idea
02:00 <n54> hehe there was a big story about some greek restaurants in london making ample use of pigeons a few years back :S
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> it'd take like 5 of the little things to get full!?!
02:01 <n54> well probably but there's no shortage
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> eventually we'd run out
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if they could be bred to get as big as chickens?
02:03 <z-man-home> I'd certainly want to keep those away from my bike, then
02:03 <Lucifer_arma> haha
02:03 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, why is armabot still here?
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02:03 <Lucifer_arma> go away, armabot
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02:04 <n54> lol
02:04 <n54> @the super-pigeons I mean :)
02:05 <z-man-home> I saw a documentary that showed in detail how chicken are handled before we eat them....
02:05 <z-man-home> the part where they're beheaded by rotating blades was NOT the worst bit.
02:06 <n54> according to some national geographic program I saw a while ago we'll have our hands full with the coming boar infestation anyway so the pigeons are safe ;)
02:06 <z-man-home> before that, the'yre essentially handled like screws.
02:06 <n54> yeah it's not pretty
02:06 <z-man-home> they're tossed around, put on conveyor belts
02:07 <z-man-home> especially the little ones
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm......  that's kind of a side effect of having to mass produce the things
02:07 <z-man-home> treated like fucking things
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> if they could just grow 20-30 pound chickens, maybe they could be slaughtered with more, um, honor?
02:07 <z-man-home> yes, it's mass production only
02:07 <z-man-home> yes, they can
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> those the chickens that are all pumped up with hormones and crap anyway, right?
02:08 <z-man-home> well, they're still slaughtered, but at least, they have a good chicken life before that
02:08 <n54> depends, real good feed can produce the same results
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> you know, the ones that'll cause 1st-graders to start puberty....
02:08 <z-man-home> right, those chickens
02:08 <n54> well better actually
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> alright, well, now I've got the database into the gentoo installation
02:09 <z-man-home> but it takes more time and effort, right? And we only see the price tag in the supermarket
02:10 <z-man-home> so we make up excuses to buy the cheap stuff
02:10 <n54> yes, would be nice if it was different, perhaps some day it will be - synthetic meat and all that
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, that's an old dump.  erg
02:11 <z-man-home> like the ubiquious story of the organic farmer that has his fields directly next to the highway, well, how organic can that be?
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> um, I'll give you that we periodically buy the cheap stuff, but for the most part, we stick to the "free range" stuff, which is treated quite a bit differently
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's a little more money per pound, but my first grader hasn't started puberty yet :)
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> same with milk, eggs, um, beef, etc.
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's not utopia, but it is the best stuff available right now
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> trying again with the right db dump file
02:13 <n54> these thing are in general better in norway, stricter, at least that's the impression I have compared to the rest of europe, we have fewer super-farms primarily due to the landscape
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> how much food do you import?
02:14 <n54> not that much really, but some of course
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> I hear they treat chickens really well in France :)
02:14 <n54> mostly out-of-season greens and sych though
02:14 <n54> yeah terrible stuff, force-feeding geese and such
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> heh, meat's never really out of season, I suppose
02:15 <n54> nope not really
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that a boar infestation would be all that bad.  I hear boar tastes really good
02:15 <z-man-home> We (Sibila and me)'re mostly vegan. Some eggs for me sometimes, some Milk, some cheese. What we can, we buy organic.
02:15 <z-man-home> Of course, we don't have children that need to grow up :)
02:16 <n54> hehe well texas was one of the areas in the us featured so... ;) but ti's actually illegal to shoot them or something like that - at least for the present time
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> problem with organic, of course, is that to be competitive, organic farmers are kinda stuck with genetically modified foods
02:16 <z-man-home> not here :)
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  Maybe y'all don't have the huge corporate farms yet?
02:16 <n54> I absolutely have an aim of eating more vegetables than I currently do
02:16 <z-man-home> Europe is still very sceptical about gentech
02:17  * n54 really dislikes gm foods
02:17 <z-man-home> and one of the conditions to be considered organic is gentech-freeness
02:17 <n54> the science of the "safety" of gm just doesn't hold up
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, I have a rule of portions my wife tries to ignore but gets bitched at for it.
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> for my whole family, for a dinner, it's:
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> 1 pound of meat, 2 pounds of starch (potatoes, rice, whatever), and 1 pound of vegetables
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> with 4 pounds of food, I can feed them all nicely.
02:18 <n54> well you know rules like that can't fit all
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> nah, it just works out that way.  I also tell her if she goes thin on the meat to balance with vegetables, because if she balances with the starch, we'll all get fat.
02:18 <n54> :)
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'll probably have to increase it to 5 pounds total at some point in the next few years
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'm hoping to only have to increase the vegetables, though.
02:19 <n54> well you have kids
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> I like meat, don't get me wrong.  But I like vegetables too, and they're damn cheap by comparison.
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> my kids eat a lot of vegetables.
02:20 <n54> I absolutely love meat, but vegetables too, starch etc. doesn't sit well with me but then again I'm ill and it explains some of why it doesn't
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> I swear, if it weren't for all the idiot adults that freak out when they see a small kid eating vegetables, my kids wouldn't have any hangups on the matter
02:20 <n54> freak out?
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> "She eats lettuce?!?"
02:21 <z-man-home> what's wrong with vegetables?
02:21 <n54> why the hell is that a problem to them?
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh dear, are you sure you'll like <insert vegetable here>?"
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> beats me.
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> Actually, I know why.
02:21 <z-man-home> ah, stereotypes :)
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> Because most Americans are lazy.
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> And they let their kids walk all over them.
02:22 <n54> well that goes in most cultures afaik, at least most western ones
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> we figured it was pretty simple, easy to figure out.  If the kid's hungry, he'll eat.  Right?  Simple.
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> And we laid down the rule, if you want seconds, you have to finish your firsts.  Simple, right?
02:22 <n54> yup
02:22 <n54> same as I was taught
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> I won't say we never cave, but like I say, my kids eat most vegetables, and they like them.
02:22 <n54> in addition to "never take more than you can finish"
02:23 <n54> yeah of course one can be lenient at times, that's natural, but it's good to hae a "base" so to speak
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> we don't push that last one, I've gotten really good at figuring out proportions that I rarely put too much or too little on their plates.
02:23 <n54> anyway I don't have children so I might be a big hypocrite right now ^_^
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh, tonight I made that same ol' chicken, spinach, and carrot stir fry I make at least once a week.
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> my kids love it so much, they clean their plates and want seconds not because they're hungry, but because they love it so much.
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> spinach!  carrots!  Stuff most parents around here are too chickenshit to feed their kids!
02:26  * Lucifer_arma rants off in the corner
02:26 <n54> probably means your not destroying/removing the vitamins & other good stuff when preparing it - especially the greens
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> man, they get so wired after it, too.  :)
02:26 <n54> I'm kind of weird I prefer eating only vegetables when I eat vegetables
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the spinach is very lightly cooked.  Enough to break down the, uhhh, walls?, in the right places, but not too much.
02:26 <n54> cell walls
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe.  Whatever it is, it's the reason raw spinach isn't supposed to be very good for you, but cooked spinach is, provided you don't overcook it.
02:27 <n54> "cellulose walls" is probably a more correct way of putting it
02:29 <n54> my favourite vegetable is chinese cabbage, what are yours z-man & lucifer?
02:29 <z-man-home> broccoli
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> damn, why isn't php working on my new webserver?
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> steamed broccoli is pretty high on my list
02:30 <n54> yeah broccoli is nice too
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't really have favorite foods, I don't think.
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> I have this hobby, cooking, that I really love to pursue.  :)  eating, well, it follows from cooking but I try to be sensible.
02:31 <z-man-home> me neither, but I don't know the English names of the other stuff I eat :)
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> sauerkraut = shit :)
02:31 <z-man-home> bua, yes
02:31 <z-man-home> except in a sallad
02:31 <n54> I like almost all my vegetables raw so cooking skills luckily isn't that much of an issue for me :D
02:32  * n54 likes sauerkraut if it is what I think it is
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> only way I've ever seen sauerkraut was steamed and tossed on sausage, like on a bun
02:32 <n54> "surk?l" in norwegian
02:32 <z-man-home> yeah, and the saussage usually is awful
02:32 <n54> ok well it fits fatty meat dishes best
02:32 <z-man-home> that's bavarian food, it's quite... heavy
02:33 <n54> yup logging food we call that up here :)
02:33 <n54> or "loggers food"
02:34 <z-man-home> Beans rule, too. Beans + rice = yum
02:34 <z-man-home> the little round beans, not the long green ones
02:34 <z-man-home> umm, you probably don't call the long green ones beans
02:34 <n54> I've heard it said that sauerkraut/surk?l is actually meant to be superhealthy and good for cleaning the system of various nasty stuff
02:35 <n54> peas perhaps?
02:35 <z-man-home> Yes, the long green beans sort of look like the things peas come in
02:35 <n54> ooh
02:35 <z-man-home> but they don't have peas in them
02:36 <z-man-home> they're just long and green and taste like, umm, long green pieces of plant?
02:36 <n54> heh you just reminded me of how good raw seat peas are, with their outer shell too, not just the peas
02:36 <n54> sweat*
02:36 <n54> hmm not sure what you're thinking of though
02:37 <n54> what's the german name?
02:37 <z-man-home> bohnen
02:37 <z-man-home> the same name we give beans
02:37  * z-man-home shrugs
02:37 <n54> oh.. perhaps they're just beans in english too then
02:37 <n54> yeah "b?nner" in norwegian
02:38 <z-man-home> http://www.wdr.de/tv/service/essen/inhalt/20040924/bilder/02.jpg
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> long green ones = string beans, or green beans
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> now how the hell do I get php to use mysql?  :(
02:39 <z-man-home> sometimes, you have to set the right use flags
02:39 <z-man-home> like USE=php mysql
02:39 <z-man-home> to make php compile with mysql support
02:40 <z-man-home> and mysql compile with php bindings
02:40 <z-man-home> One of them usually suffices, and documentation on these parts is usually poor
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> so when I do emerge -pv dev-lang/php, I get a list of + and - stuff
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> does + mean it will compile with that thing built in?
02:45 <z-man-home> I never used that, mom
02:45 <z-man-home> the -v part, I mean
02:46 <z-man-home> I think, yes, those are the optional bits
02:47 <z-man-home> so if it says +mysql, you're home
02:47 <z-man-home> for me, it says -mysql
02:47 <z-man-home> only +sqllite
02:47 <z-man-home> err +sqlite
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, it says +mysql
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> it's dev-lang/php
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> which is php5, which hopefully drupal runs under
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> and mediawiki, for that matter
02:49 <z-man-home> then mysql support should be there
02:50 <z-man-home> you activated mysql globally in make.conf?
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't get it to tell me about the php4 that was previously installed
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> so I unmerged the old php stuff and am emerging php5 now
02:50 <z-man-home> ah, it's only telling you what it was going to do if you really install, it does not tell you what IS already installed
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, I didn't activate mysql globally in make.conf
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, -pv = pretend, verbose
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> configure.in:141: warning: AC_PROG_LEX invoked multiple times
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> autoconf/programs.m4:438: AC_DECL_YYTEXT is expanded from...
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> acinclude.m4:2056: PHP_PROG_LEX is expanded from...
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> configure.in:141: the top level
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> that stuff irritates me
02:52 <z-man-home> you can edit the corresponding files
02:52 <z-man-home> It's not that much work, I did it
02:52 <z-man-home> emerge -pv "<dev-lang/php-5.0"
02:53 <z-man-home> gives you info about php 4.x
02:53 <z-man-home> and of course, without the -p, you could install it
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> +mysql
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm.........  something ain't right
02:54 <z-man-home> Dunno. My Trac test setup uses sqlite, never touched mysql
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I emerged php originally very early in the installation, maybe I should have done it later I guess
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> seems like it shouldn't matter, though
02:56 <z-man-home> yes, if it depens on mysql, it would have been installed afterwards
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> -I/usr/include/mysql
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> it at least looks like it's doing it right
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll finally get the math stuff working for mediawiki
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go grab a smoke while this is going on.  I'm  little too happy about maybe *might* having my "new" server running
03:00 <n54> :)
03:03 <deja_vu_> *yaaawn*
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03:04 <n54> good morning deja_vu :)
03:04 <deja_vu> :]
03:04 <deja_vu> hey n54 
03:09  * Lucifer_arma yawns
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> long day
03:09 <n54> yeah must be late in texas by now
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> 3am
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> woke up at 9am
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> ~3 hours earlier than usual
03:10 <n54> your exams are done?
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> got straight A's.  :)
03:10 <n54> :)
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> er, not on the exams, but for the semester
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> so my 4 gpa is still in tact.  :)
03:10 <n54> yeah got you, as final grades
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> but I swear my calc teacher had to fudge the numbers, I don't see how it could have worked out.
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if you remember, but I had determined I needed at least an 87 on the final there, and I got a 77
03:11 <n54> well teachers are supposed to ahve a certain degree of leeway in setting the final grade aren't they?
03:11 <n54> yeah but you also said it wouldn't count if it was the worst
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they do.  And I wouldn't be surprised if he gave me a point or two to avoid being the one that drops my gpa
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> no, all the calc tests counted.  It was two of my other classes that dropped a test
03:12 <n54> ok
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> #g (95 + 87 + 92 + 94 + 77)/5
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> duh
03:14 <n54> 445/5 = 89 if my mind is awake
03:14 <n54> *finds a calculator*
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> python says it's 89.0
03:15 <n54> Xcalc too
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> (.9 * (95.0 + 87.0 + 92.0 + 94.0 + 77.0)/5.0) + (.1 * 94)
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> that gives an 89.5
03:16 <n54> what was the purpose of that one?
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> assumes a 94 on the homework average, though, which I'd feel pretty weird if I got tht high on homework this time
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's weighted.  90% of the grade is tests, 10% is homework, with that formula.
03:17 <n54> he might have felt it just to give you a 100 score on homework & schoolwork combined so as to give you an overall A
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> he might have.  Looking at it now it doesn't seem like he had to fudge too much, actually.
03:17 <n54> yup
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> one thing's for certain, I'm glad I signed up for his Calc II class next semester :)
03:18 <n54> :)
03:20 <z-man-home> finally, it stopped raining
03:20  * z-man-home wants to see if he can get to work before z-man-home times out
03:20 <n54> hehe :)
03:22 <guru3> back
03:22 <n54> hi :) test over?
03:22 <guru3> yup
03:22 <guru3> that was the last of psychology
03:22 <guru3> only chem & span to go
03:22 <guru3> hablais espanol?
03:22 <n54> :)
03:23 <n54> no senor :)
03:23 <guru3> :)
03:23 <n54> are they today too?
03:24 <guru3> no
03:24 <guru3> if they were i wouldn't be here
03:24 <guru3> chem paper 1 & 2 tomorrow
03:24 <n54> ok :)
03:24 <guru3> chem paper 3 on friday
03:24 <guru3> spanish paper 1 & 2 next tuesday
03:25 <guru3> fun fun ufn
03:25 <n54> hehe
03:25 <guru3> "fun"
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> yay, wiki's back up
03:26 <n54> :)
03:27 <guru3> grand Lucifer
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> my website's up now
03:29 <guru3> grand
03:29 <guru3> i have to know a lot of schitt for chemistry :/
03:30 <n54> hi or low level?
03:31 <guru3> hi
03:31 <guru3>  gher
03:31 <n54> :S
03:31 <guru3> aye
03:31 <guru3> like 220 hours of lesson time over the alst 2 years
03:32 <guru3> and i didn't even learn how to make bombs :(
03:32 <n54> lol :D
03:33 <guru3> i did learn about like acid rain tho
03:33 <guru3> CO2 + H2O -> H2CO3
03:33 <guru3> H2CO3 -> H+ + HCO3-
03:33 <guru3> and there's your acid
03:33 <n54> :)
03:33 <guru3> of course then
03:34 <z-man-work> herhe
03:34 <guru3> SO3 + H2O -> H2SO4 -> H+ + HSO4-
03:34 <z-man-work> haha, beat the Internet!
03:34 <n54> you made it z-man :)
03:34 <guru3> and also
03:34 <guru3> NO2 + H2O -> H2NO3 -> H+ + HNO3-
03:35 <guru3> vive le acid rain!
03:35 <guru3> er i mean
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03:35 <guru3> acid rain is very bad!
03:35 <n54> hehe guru3
03:35 <n54> lol ftl :)
03:35 <guru3> ftl?
03:35 <n54> faster than light ;)
03:35 <guru3> obviously, i've been missing a lot of what goes on here
03:36 <n54> z-man raced the internet :)
03:36 <guru3> it's physically impossible to go faster than the speed of light
03:36 <z-man-ftl> Gave myself a head start, gotta admit that
03:36 <guru3> i've got the equation here somewhere...
03:36 <guru3> yeah
03:36 <z-man-ftl> depends on the definition of the speed of light :) You can slow light down
03:36 <guru3> u'x = (ux - v)/(1- uxv/c^2)
03:37 <guru3> gah fine
03:37 <guru3> you can go faster than the speed of light if your light isn't going in a vaccum
03:37 <z-man-ftl> right
03:37 <guru3> but if you're not careful your light will bend
03:37 <guru3> and you'll go slow
03:37 <n54> these days I saw they're "sending it in reverse" or some such as well... crazy scientists ;P j/k
03:37 <z-man-ftl> yes, but it's a cheap trick :)
03:37 <n54> :)
03:38 <z-man-ftl> a useful experiment, though
03:38 <guru3> i love how in the relative frames of reference
03:38 <guru3> the other person's clock is going slow
03:38 <guru3> cause of time contraction
03:38 <guru3> that's how them there muons get from the atmosphere to earth :)
03:38  * guru3 curses having done the relativity option in physics
03:39 <z-man-ftl> from our viewpoint :) From the viewpoint of the muons, i'ts the length contraction.
03:39 <z-man-ftl> They think they only have to travel 500m or so
03:39 <guru3> got that little y thingy there
03:39 <guru3> i forget the name of it
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03:40 <guru3> that factor thing
03:40 <guru3> argh what's it called
03:40 <z-man> Next time, I'll include doing the dishes in the race
03:40 <n54> hehe
03:40 <guru3> the 1 / (1 - v^2/c^2)^1/2 thing
03:40 <z-man> beta, it's called
03:41 <z-man> or gamma?
03:41 <guru3> gamma
03:41 <guru3> that's it
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> I lied, my sites don't work
03:41 <n54> ooh _that_ "y-thing"
03:41 <guru3> yes that y thing
03:41 <guru3> we forgive you lucifer
03:41 <n54> third letter of the greek alphabet y-thing :)
03:41 <guru3> yeah i guess
03:42 <guru3> you'll forgive me if i say i'm not really sure...
03:42 <z-man> well, I sort of get something for the drupal bookmark
03:42  * n54 is very sure
03:42 <guru3> you know greak?
03:42 <n54> nah but I know nuclear radiation types :)
03:43 <n54> also I sometimes use greek letters for numbering
03:43 <guru3> yes that's the one
03:43 <z-man> and the wiki works, too
03:43 <z-man> haven't tried to log in, though
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03:44 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: what do you think of trying to set up one of those redundant database things?
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's a great idea, whoever it was that dreamed it up
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> :)
03:45  * z-man knows database stuff is way over his head
03:45 <guru3> see how internet latency effects it
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> not right this minute, though
03:45 <guru3> doh ><
03:45  * guru3 starts looking around wildy
03:46  * n54 is half asleep and has to go to bed soon
03:46 <guru3> :o
03:47 <n54> trying to timeshift myself into the right timezone but well... :)
03:48 <guru3> :o
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> AllowOverride not allowed here  <-- bullshit!
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: can you do me a favor?  heh
03:51 <z-man> depends on the favor :)
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> in the test drupal, go to administration->Settings and find the box that says "clean urls" and uncheck it?
03:51 <z-man> The requested URL /admin was not found on this server.
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, lemme give you a link
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> http://armatest.davefancella.com/?q=admin/settings
03:53 <z-man> disabled it
03:54 <guru3> http://www.raudat.net/~zz/tampere.png
03:54 <guru3> aparently that means that
03:54 <guru3> people in finland at new years
03:54 <guru3> like to look @ goatse Oo
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> you sure?  it's still giving me clean urls.  Hmmmm.........
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, you probably couldn't submit the form.  ARgh!
03:56 <z-man> Yes, it's disabled, but I get only short urls, too
03:56 <z-man> but you're right, reloading the form made the thing snap back to clean url.
03:57 <guru3> fix the database manually man!
03:57 <z-man> There are some warning messages, in the body:
03:57 <z-man> <div id="message"><div class="messages error">
03:57 <z-man>  <ul>
03:57 <z-man>   <li>warning:
03:57 <z-man> Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output
03:57 <z-man> started at /www/home/includes/database.mysql.inc:120) in
03:57 <z-man> /www/home/includes/common.inc on line 139.</li>
03:58 <z-man>   <li>The directory <em>files</em> is not writable</li>
03:58 <z-man>  </ul>
03:58 <z-man> </div>
03:58 <z-man> </div>
03:58 <z-man> and on the top:
03:58 <z-man> ah, something irrelevant about latin1_swedish :)
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> right, fixed that for the moment
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: I already tried to fix the database manually
03:59 <guru3> :/
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> clean_url  	s:1:"";        <-- what should it be to disable it?
04:01 <n54> lol tank @ finland & goatse
04:02 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: try "disabled"
04:02 <guru3> or false
04:02 <guru3> or
04:02 <guru3> read the source
04:02 <n54> I'M surprised _anyone_ would search for that
04:02 <guru3> to see what it checks it against
04:04 <guru3> our top search region in google
04:04 <guru3> is...
04:04 <guru3> poland!
04:04 <n54> ?
04:04 <n54> for armagetron+
04:04 <guru3> yeah
04:05 <n54> guess that means we should try to support all polish glyphs in the font at some point in time :)
04:06 <guru3> it's weird
04:06 <guru3> looks like poland turns up for a lot of stuff
04:06 <n54> I think f/oss is pretty big in poland
04:06 <n54> I'e come across a few polish distros and various stuff
04:07 <guru3> it's weird
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04:08 <n54> hi MaZuffeR :) hehe guru3 should show you that link about finland & google he showed me :)
04:08 <MaZuffeR> hi
04:08 <guru3> http://www.raudat.net/~zz/tampere.png
04:09 <n54> we would like some sort of explanation ;) j/k
04:10 <MaZuffeR> saw that earlier
04:10 <guru3> that just cracks me up
04:10 <MaZuffeR> i'm innocent, i don't live in neither Helsinki nor Tampere ;)
04:10 <n54> hehe me too, but it really doesn't make any sense :)
04:10 <n54> hehe ok :)
04:10 <guru3> as our finnish ambassador we demand the truth!
04:11 <n54> :)
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, rebooting into mandriva, I'll finish this another day
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> man, Fins are barbarians, everybody knows that.  Aren't the Huns from around there?
04:14 <n54> nah huns are from Hungary, and Finland is probably the most rational of the nordic countries imo
04:14 <guru3> aren't huns from hungary?
04:14 <n54> yup guru3 I think so
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04:15 <n54> incidentally finnish and hungarian are the only real european languages left
04:15 <guru3> they're also impossible
04:15 <guru3> but hey, who's counting!
04:15 <n54> :)
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> armabot's back
04:15 <n54> #hello armabot :)
04:15 <armabot> Hello n54 :)
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> #hello armabot
04:16 <armabot> Hello Lucifer_arma :)
04:16 <MaZuffeR> how does finnish
04:17 <MaZuffeR> count as a european language
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's one of the two languages that just plain aren't known outside europe?
04:18 <n54> no it's one of two major languages that are from before the indo-european settlement, i.e. original european languages (might be wrong term)
04:18 <n54> some smaller ones like sami also belong to the same language group afaik
04:18 <MaZuffeR> and estonian in that case
04:18 <n54> ah yes sorry, forgot about estonian
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> Finnish is a member of the Finno-Ugric language family
04:19 <n54> and probably gaelic as well
04:19 <n54> yup
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> wikipedia rules
04:19 <guru3> Oo
04:19 <n54> :)
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> aha, original russkie language, from before the slavs got to russia
04:21 <z-man> Err, Huns as in Attila the Hun?
04:21 <n54> yeah think so z-man
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, those huns
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> the same ones that provided mercenary units for Rome
04:22 <z-man> They're originally from China, methinks
04:22 <z-man> or around China
04:22  * Lucifer_arma notes that those Huns were fairly widespread
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> Sure you're not htinking of Kushans?
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> The Huns were a confederation of Eurasian tribes, most likely of diverse origin with a Turkic-speaking aristocracy,
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun
04:23 <guru3> hiccups :/
04:23 <n54> *brain explodes from too much info*
04:24 <n54> details, details, we're all from africa anyway - or something like that ;)
04:24  * guru3 wipes up the mess
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> jesus, how many people came from the steppes?
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> there's like one migration after another from the steppes
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> why are there so many people being born there, and then leaving?
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> is there like a person factory somewhere in there?
04:25 <n54> ever lived in the countryside Lucifer?
04:25 <n54> (that's the answer like) ;D
04:25 <guru3> n54: he lives in texas you know :P
04:25 <z-man> Migration doesn't usually work like that, Luci :)
04:25 <n54> yeah but smack dabble in the middle of a gazillion other texans :)
04:26 <guru3> and?
04:26 <guru3> texas is like one huge country side
04:26 <z-man> It's not "it sucks here, lets pack our bags, walk some thousand kilomenters, then settle there"
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I don't have any idea where I got the idea huns came from Finland
04:26 <n54> well teh countryside is different :)
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> Texas is 80% urbanized, didn't we cover this a few days ago?
04:26 <z-man> It's rather "This place is crowded, let's found a new vilage. Over the hill there, it looks nice"
04:26 <n54> yup
04:26 <guru3> you're forgetting i rarely pay a lot of attention here
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the thing is, the steppes man, aren't they like really really barren?
04:27 <n54> it's was probably at 3am or something :)
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> according to Jules Vernes (a frenchmen, therefore a known liar, heh heh), nobody lives on the steppes
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> except a few hardened russian criminals
04:27 <n54> nah they're lush and plentiful and very very very _very_ boring if you get my drift :)
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that book was written in the 19th century...
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> but nothing but flat, with a few hills, stagnant water, and lots of wind.  No rain, few rivers, etc.
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> kinda like Kansas
04:28 <n54> lol
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> only colder
04:28 <n54> cold != inactivity, quite the opposite...
04:28 <z-man> There's animals to hunt and herd there
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> clearly life can be supported, but man.  India had just one invasion from the steppes after another.  Persia, too!
04:29 <z-man> The nomads mostly live of their herded animals
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> and then there's a few civilizations built and collapsed
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's almost more active than some areas around the mediterranean for a long time, except nothing ever really stayed
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> like that guy that kept building castles in the swamps, only they never got one to stay up
04:29 <z-man> :)
04:30 <z-man> two, one burned down
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> :)
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> and if the huns have been traced genetically to the chinese, then it seems like the chinese are either steppe people, or the steppe people were just chinese on their way west
04:31  * Lucifer_arma has a vague memory of Chinese being known steppe people already
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> ack.  I'm not a historian, I won't worry about it.  It's waaaay past my bedtime.  'night
04:32 <z-man> night
04:32 <n54> the chinese are lots of different people though
04:32 <n54> cya :)
04:32 <guru3> whops i read historian as histarian
04:33 <n54> what is a histarian?
04:33 <guru3> as in like histeria
04:33 <guru3> or hysteria
04:33 <n54> ah
04:33 <guru3> or however the hell it's spelt
04:33 <n54> last one was right afaik
04:43 <z-man> off to evaluate 16 student homeworks, yay
04:43 <n54> :)
04:48 <guru3> hf
04:50 <guru3> bbl
04:51 <n54> cya all, have a nice day (and if you see any crazy flagwaving norwegians it's because it's our constitution day) :D
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08:26 <wrtlprnft> morning
08:26 <wrtlprnft> did Lucfer_arma's problems get fixed?
08:28 <wrtlprnft> (if you don't want php5 you have to say echo ">=dev-lang/php-5.0" >> /etc/portage/package.mask
08:29 <wrtlprnft> if you just use emerge with a specific version it will try to update when you say emerge -u world
08:37 <z-man-work> I think he wants php5, and has moved on to more drupal-specific problems
08:37 <z-man-work> the basic setup seemed to work
08:39 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
08:40 <wrtlprnft> there's quite a few use flags for php that you more or less need
08:40 <wrtlprnft> gdlib, libxml, preg and friends
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10:22 <Luke-Jr> apache2 ;)
10:23 <guru3> wow i found some notes in pen
10:23 <guru3> that's rare
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12:11 <Luke-Jr> z-man-work: !!!ping
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12:38 <Luke-Jr> z-man: ping!
12:38 <Luke-Jr> armagetron/armagetron/b_0_2_5_end ?
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15:30 <wrtlprnft> > If you don't have an own webserver to host your map or you want to make your map "official", whatever that means, submit it to our resource repository here:
15:30 <wrtlprnft> quote from the wiki :D
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15:32 <wrtlprnft> hi there
15:32  * Lucifer_arma politely greets wrtlprnft 
15:32 <n54> hi all :)
15:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you know about /etc/portage/package.use?
15:32 <wrtlprnft> kinda important if you want a useable PHP installation
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> no I don't, and my php installation is working nicely now
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> except it's php5, and I don't know how much of a problem that'll be by itself, but Mandriva and Kubuntu have both gone to php5 as their default php
15:34 <wrtlprnft> it probably won't have xml support and stuff that some apps need, unless you specified it in you grlobal USE flags
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> probably not, but right now the problem is that mod_rewrite doesn't work
15:35 <wrtlprnft> uh... you using .htaccess or the apache config?
15:35 <wrtlprnft> if you want htaccess you need some ALLOW_OVERRIDE stuff
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> .htaccess
15:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah... you need to change your config for it to work
15:37 <spidey> wrtl
15:37 <wrtlprnft> does it process the .htaccess at all?
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> lemme guess, I need to at -D ALLOW_OVERRIDE to /etc/somethingorother
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not processing the .htaccess at all
15:38 <wrtlprnft> <Directory /whereeveryourwebrootis>
15:38 <wrtlprnft>         AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes
15:38 <Lucifer_arma> I did that, only I put "AllowOverride All"
15:38 <wrtlprnft> AccessFileName .htaccess
15:38 <wrtlprnft> </Directory
15:38 <Lucifer_arma> didn't put the accessfilename
15:38 <wrtlprnft> better do so
15:39 <wrtlprnft> dunno if all is an option
15:39 <wrtlprnft> nvm, it is
15:41 <wrtlprnft> just tested, mine accepts .htaccess just fine
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, i have to run down to the school
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
15:42 <wrtlprnft> have fun
15:43 <wrtlprnft> oh, wow, our anonymous CVS is down once again
15:53 <spidey> wrtl,aw match isn't today is it?
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16:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i told you it was cancelled...
16:33 <wrtlprnft> #notes spider
16:33 <wrtlprnft> #notes
16:33 <wrtlprnft> #list
16:33 <wrtlprnft> armabot: hello?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> #echo asdf
16:33 <wrtlprnft> @echo test
16:33 <wrtlprnft> armabot: echo hi
16:34 <wrtlprnft> useless thing...
16:36 <n54> reidentify ;)
16:36 <guru3> good night
16:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, shouldn't it accept commands without me identifying?
16:36 <wrtlprnft> night guru3 
16:37 <n54> good night guru3 :)
16:37 <n54> sorry wrtlprnft, seems it is dead so it wont matter either way
16:37 <wrtlprnft> #f
16:37 <n54> but yes
16:37  * wrtlprnft pokes armabot 
16:37  * wrtlprnft pokes Lucifer_arma 
16:38 <n54> he's probably back at installing/cleaning up gentoo
16:38 <wrtlprnft> wiki is still up
16:39 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/afsdknla
16:39 <wrtlprnft> and that's a mandriva error page
16:39 <n54> ok
16:40 <wrtlprnft> and he said he was gonna be in school anyhow
16:40 <n54> ah yeah true
16:40 <n54> I guess armabot is simply awol then ;D
16:40 <wrtlprnft> doesn't like us
16:40 <n54> ;_;
16:41 <n54> nah that can't be true, I bet she's over in the supybot channels flirting :D
16:41 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:41 <n54> :)
16:42 <wrtlprnft> d'oh. guess what kind of bot is in #supybot
16:43 <n54> supybots?
16:43 <wrtlprnft> one of them
16:43 <wrtlprnft> and guess its name
16:43 <n54> armabot?
16:43 <wrtlprnft> no
16:43 <n54> hmm no idea
16:44 <wrtlprnft> d'oh
16:44 <n54> homer?
16:44 <wrtlprnft> supybot has a unix plugin capable of fortune
16:44 <wrtlprnft> i's name is... SUPYBOT!
16:44 <n54> fortunebot? oracle?
16:44 <wrtlprnft> what a surprise
16:44 <wrtlprnft> *its
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17:35 <wrtlprnft> wb Self_Destructo 
17:35 <wrtlprnft> you wanted to talk?
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17:42 <Self_Destructo> Lucifer_arma: i dunno
17:42 <Self_Destructo> grr
17:42 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: i guess about the rotator code
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17:44 <ghableska> hello
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17:44 <n54> hi & cya all :)
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17:44 <ghableska> oops
17:44 <n54> (00:46:46) n54: hi & cya all :)
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17:52 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: yes, you said so yesterday
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18:25 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: are you there yet?
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18:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, i don't know
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> do I have any messages?
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, good :)
18:26 <wrtlprnft> no, armabot doesn't work
18:26 <wrtlprnft> #echo hi
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18:26 <Lucifer_arma> she doesn't?  Hmmm.......
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> #whoami
18:27 <wrtlprnft> she lol
18:27 <Self_Destructo> lol
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18:30 <wrtlprnft> what?
18:30 <wrtlprnft> go away wrtlprnft_ 
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18:30 <wrtlprnft> ...
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18:34 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: ok, so give me an example of how to pull out the data from the xml file
18:34 <wrtlprnft> ok
18:35 <wrtlprnft> you start with something like
18:35 <wrtlprnft>     node cur = GetFileContents();
18:35 <wrtlprnft> that's a DOM node, much like the stuff in JavaScript
18:36 <wrtlprnft> it will point to the first child node of the <Resource>
18:36 <wrtlprnft> you have two basic operations on nodes:
18:36 <wrtlprnft> you can increment them, moving to the next element on the same nesting level:
18:36 <wrtlprnft> ++cur;
18:37 <wrtlprnft> or you can go down a level and get the first child node:
18:37 <wrtlprnft> node child = cur.GetFirstChild();
18:37 <wrtlprnft> where the following is the most useful:
18:37 <wrtlprnft>     for(cur = cur.GetFirstChild(); cur; ++cur) {
18:38 <wrtlprnft> that will iterate through all childs.
18:38 <wrtlprnft> now i guess you want to get the contents, right?
18:38 <Self_Destructo> yes
18:38 <wrtlprnft> first of all, cur.GetName() returns the type of the node
18:39 <Self_Destructo> er
18:39 <wrtlprnft> so you could say if(cur.GetName() == "Possibility") { ... }
18:39 <Self_Destructo> do all these funtion names exsist already?
18:39 <Self_Destructo> ok
18:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, they do. node is a class ;)
18:39 <Self_Destructo> ok
18:39 <Self_Destructo> i was wondering what it was
18:40 <wrtlprnft> then, to get properties you say cur.GetProp("name");
18:40 <wrtlprnft> that gets you the attribute "name"
18:40 <wrtlprnft> GetProp has a few friends:
18:40 <wrtlprnft> you can say cur.GetPropBool("propname") to get a bool value
18:41 <wrtlprnft> that function will deal with things like 0 vs 1, yes vs no, true vs false, and on vs off
18:41 <Self_Destructo> k
18:41 <wrtlprnft> a last one is the following: int i; cur.GetProp("name", i);
18:42 <wrtlprnft> that will get the property, attempt to convert it to an integer, and store it in i
18:42 <Self_Destructo> k
18:42 <wrtlprnft> the same works with things like float, double, char, even tCoord
18:42 <Self_Destructo> where do I fand a list of the available funtions?
18:42 <Self_Destructo> tCoord?
18:42 <wrtlprnft> coordinate
18:43 <Self_Destructo> ah
18:43 <wrtlprnft> basically just something that stures two floats and gives you convinient functions
18:43 <wrtlprnft> so you can add them and stuff like that
18:43 <Self_Destructo> ok
18:43 <wrtlprnft> and good question, where is the darn doxy documentation when i need it
18:44 <wrtlprnft> d'oh, it doesn't exist
18:44 <wrtlprnft> sec, I'll write it
18:44 <Self_Destructo> k
18:45 <Self_Destructo> i g2g in about 5 mintues
18:45 <Self_Destructo> then I'll be back in a couple of hours
18:45 <wrtlprnft> well, I'll post the link once i have it
18:45 <Self_Destructo> ok
18:47 <Self_Destructo> hm
18:47 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:47 <Self_Destructo> a list of the funtions to parse the XML file, and a list of output funtions, like new matches, rounds, ect...
18:48 <wrtlprnft> the new matches and rounds is done for you.
18:48 <wrtlprnft> there's two functions in gRotation that get called
18:50 <Self_Destructo> static void HandleNewRound();
18:50 <Self_Destructo> static void HandleNewMatch();
18:50 <Self_Destructo> ?
18:50 <Self_Destructo> i'm guessing
18:50 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:50 <wrtlprnft> those will sent events to the tree of tags
18:51 <Self_Destructo> what does ~gRotation(); mean? specifically the ~
18:51 <wrtlprnft> it's the destructor
18:52 <wrtlprnft> that means, if an object of that class gets deleted it will get called
18:52 <wrtlprnft> so if that class was to contain any pointers and stuff it could delete them before they get lost
18:52 <Self_Destructo> ok
18:53 <Self_Destructo> pointers is my next thing to study, so evidently I'm missing alot till I get them learned
18:54 <wrtlprnft> uh
18:54 <wrtlprnft> pointers are C stuff
18:54 <Self_Destructo> If you're planning to tackle C++, you're not done yet! First you have to become familiar with multiple levels of pointer indirection, pointer arithmetic, making objects read-only via const, generic pointers (void*), and the relationship pointers have with arrays and functions.
18:54 <Self_Destructo> I'm afraid not
18:55 <Self_Destructo> anyways, i g2g
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18:56 <wrtlprnft> cya
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19:26 <wrtlprnft> SD|bbl: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/doxy/classtXmlParserNamespace_1_1tXmlParser_1_1node.html
19:31 <wrtlprnft> does someone have more experience with doxygen here?
19:31 <wrtlprnft> it just ignores some of my documentation :(
19:32 <wrtlprnft> I don
19:34 <wrtlprnft> 't see why it refuses to show my documentation for functions without parameters
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20:39 <Self_Destructo> wrtl,I'm back now
20:39 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft:
20:44 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: 
20:44 <wrtlprnft> got my link?
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20:50 <Self_Destructo> lol
20:50 <wrtlprnft_> grrrrrr
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20:50 <Self_Destructo> spidey: you there?
20:50 <wrtlprnft_> did i miss anything?
20:50 <Self_Destructo> hey,
20:50 <wrtlprnft_> last thing i got: 20:39 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft:
20:50 <Self_Destructo> 20:37 � ( Self_Destructo ) wrtl,I'm back now
20:50 <Self_Destructo> 20:37 � ( Self_Destructo ) wrtlprnft:
20:50 <Self_Destructo> 20:48 � ( Self_Destructo ) #wake wrtlprnft
20:50 <Self_Destructo> 20:48 � ( Self_Destructo ) #tell wrtlprnft Wake Up! Or I'll Give Up!
20:50 <Self_Destructo> 2
20:50 <Self_Destructo> hehe
20:50 <Self_Destructo> ok
20:50 <Self_Destructo> question
20:51 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
20:51 <Self_Destructo> how am I supposed to test this thing as I build it?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> well, first you get the DTD...
20:52 <wrtlprnft> then it *should* already have basic parsing, it just requires you to do the actual objects for settings and the rotation
20:52 <Self_Destructo> k, uhuh, /me is having trouble with getting it warning free
20:52 <wrtlprnft> warning free?
20:52 <wrtlprnft> you mean compile- time warnings
20:52 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:52 <Self_Destructo> no, talking about the DTD with the XML file
20:53 <wrtlprnft> what kind of warnings?
20:53 <Self_Destructo> hrm, I'll have to run it through again
20:54 <Self_Destructo> blah, I'm getting flat out errors right now
20:55 <wrtlprnft> well, can i see them and the files they come from?
20:55 <Self_Destructo> arg!
20:55 <Self_Destructo> it's been a while since I messed with it, so It's scattered out right now
20:56 <wrtlprnft> :P
20:56 <Self_Destructo> umm, I guess I turned around and started with scratch on the XML file, and was building the two together at the same time
20:56 <Self_Destructo> and I didn't get far
20:56 <Self_Destructo> because I ran out of time, IIRC
20:56 <Self_Destructo> http://selfdestructo.net/test-0.0.2.aarotate.xml
20:57 <wrtlprnft> why rebuild it?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> and omit that mode stuff for now, that can come later
20:57 <Self_Destructo> er... ok
20:57 <wrtlprnft> it's too complicated for now, keep it in your mind, but don't implement it
20:58 <Self_Destructo> ok, that helps a bunch
20:58 <wrtlprnft> although you might get away with just implementing it as a special <Rotate> tag
20:58 <Self_Destructo> http://selfdestructo.net/MapRotationData.xml
20:58 <Self_Destructo> that's the final xml file I currently have
20:58 <Self_Destructo> not final final, but final for now
20:59 <Self_Destructo> unless I need to do something with it
20:59 <wrtlprnft> hmm...
20:59 <wrtlprnft> for now I'd say include the <Mode> in the DTD and stuff, but when parsing just take the first <Mode> tag and parse just its contents, omit the rest
21:00 <Luke-Jr> z-man here yet?
21:00 <wrtlprnft> z-man is away again
21:00 <wrtlprnft> #seen z-man
21:00 <wrtlprnft> armabot: armabot armabot 
21:00 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:00 <Luke-Jr> did he say anything about b_0_2_5_end ?
21:00 <wrtlprnft> not that i know of
21:01 <wrtlprnft> lynx -dump http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt | grep b0_2_5_end
21:01 <wrtlprnft> that's what i'd suggest
21:02 <wrtlprnft> and, no wonder, just one result from you (yet)
21:02 <wrtlprnft> now that we're talking about it there'll be more in 2 minutes
21:03 <Luke-Jr> how about grep b.*0_2_5.*end FreeNode2-#armagetron.log
21:04 <wrtlprnft> it depends on where your logs are
21:04 <wrtlprnft> that lynx command gives you mine
21:05 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: man that is logged as we speak... how'd you do that?
21:05 <Luke-Jr> better would be curl http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt | grep b_0_2_5_end
21:05 <wrtlprnft> better in what sense?
21:05 <Luke-Jr> doesn't load a whole browser
21:05 <wrtlprnft> would it give you different results?
21:05 <Luke-Jr> and has results
21:06 <wrtlprnft> it has results, yes, now, since it only updates every 5 minutes
21:07 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: it's just a cronjob that uploads my log every 5 minutes
21:07 <Luke-Jr> curl http://.../something.tbz2 | tar xjvp
21:07 <Luke-Jr> :)
21:08 <wrtlprnft> uh, great
21:08 <wrtlprnft> that curl command gives me a status line, a result, another status line, another result, etc
21:08 <wrtlprnft> what a mess
21:09  * wrtlprnft is too lazy to type 2>/dev/null or figure out the right options for curl
21:09 <Luke-Jr> result?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ curl http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt | grep b_0_2_5_end
21:09 <wrtlprnft>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
21:09 <wrtlprnft>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
21:09 <wrtlprnft>  92  691k   92  638k    0     0  56625      0  0:00:12  0:00:11  0:00:01 5951412:38 <Luke-Jr> armagetron/armagetron/b_0_2_5_end ?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> 100  691k  100  691k    0     0  56817      0  0:00:12  0:00:12 --:--:-- 59480
21:09 <wrtlprnft> 21:00 <Luke-Jr> did he say anything about b_0_2_5_end ?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> 21:05 <Luke-Jr> better would be curl http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt | grep b_0_2_5_end
21:09 <Luke-Jr> o
21:09 <wrtlprnft> see how there's status lines in between?
21:09 <Luke-Jr> -s
21:10 <wrtlprnft> -s for --STFU?
21:10 <Luke-Jr> something like that
21:10 <Luke-Jr> --silent, IIRC
21:10 <wrtlprnft> whatever :D
21:10 <Luke-Jr> it's nice w/ tar ;p
21:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah, well, might be. I don't know what lynx would do with a tar
21:11 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: ok... now to continue on on how I test it...
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21:11 <Self_Destructo> after I get the DTD done...
21:11 <Self_Destructo> ?
21:11 <Luke-Jr> Self_Destructo: start the program, and press the Turbo button on your PC
21:11 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:12 <Self_Destructo> #ignore Luke-Jr
21:12 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: put the DTD and the XML file into the right spot ;)
21:12 <Self_Destructo> #define Luke-Jr as irritating
21:13 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: ok
21:13 <Luke-Jr> s/as//
21:13 <Self_Destructo> it looks like currently it will printout what it's doing
21:13 <Self_Destructo> s/as//?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> printout what?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> it has a few debug messages, yes
21:13 <Self_Destructo> con << ''Received a new round event and ready to handle it!\n'';
21:13 <Luke-Jr> eww, C++
21:14 <wrtlprnft> yep, exactly
21:14 <Luke-Jr> printf("Received a new round event and ready to handle it!\n");
21:14 <Luke-Jr> BTW, that '' shouldn't work
21:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: that's evil
21:14 <wrtlprnft> printf has to search that string for % signs every time it gets called
21:15 <wrtlprnft> con << doesn't
21:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: looks like Self_Destructo's client likes replacing " by ''
21:15 <wrtlprnft> sucks, if you ask me
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21:24 <wrtlprnft_> grr
21:25 <wrtlprnft_> hello? am i here?
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21:28 <wrtlprnft> so, am i back now, finally?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> and did i miss anything important?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> 21:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: that's evil
21:29 <wrtlprnft> 21:14 <wrtlprnft> printf has to search that string for % signs every time it gets called
21:29 <wrtlprnft> 21:15 <wrtlprnft> con << doesn't
21:29 <wrtlprnft> 21:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: looks like Self_Destructo's client likes replacing " by ''
21:29 <wrtlprnft> 21:15 <wrtlprnft> sucks, if you ask me
21:30 <Self_Destructo> yes
21:30  * wrtlprnft wants to kcik his provider, hard
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21:35 <wrtlprnft_> ...
21:36 <wrtlprnft_> so, err, i didn't get anything after 21:30 <Self_Destructo> yes
21:38 <Self_Destructo> there was nothing but you leaving and coming back in there for about 6 or 7 times
21:39 <wrtlprnft_> wow
21:39 <wrtlprnft_> sorry for that
21:39 <Self_Destructo> didn't bother me any
21:40 <wrtlprnft_> their excuse is that they're "installing additional digital phone lines"
21:41 <Self_Destructo> wrtl
21:41 <wrtlprnft_> i wonder why they would start that on sunday
21:41 <wrtlprnft_> big lie, if you ask me
21:41 <Self_Destructo> http://selfdestructo.net/rotator-0.0.1.txt
21:41 <Self_Destructo> that's the current DTD
21:41 <Self_Destructo> that I am still working on
21:43 <wrtlprnft_> we should find a better way for the type thingy...
21:43 <wrtlprnft_> maybe another DTD and an external entity?
21:43 <wrtlprnft_> <!ATTLIST UseResource type (aamap | aacockpit) "aamap" 
21:43 <wrtlprnft_> because we might add types, and they might have to be added in different places
21:43 <Self_Destructo> yeah
21:43 <Self_Destructo> that's a good idea
21:44 <Self_Destructo> i was kinda wondering what to do about that when I was building it
21:44 <wrtlprnft_> and don't let the type default to anything
21:44 <Self_Destructo> because resources will be added
21:44 <Self_Destructo> ok
21:44 <wrtlprnft_> uh
21:44 <wrtlprnft_> <!ATTLIST Message type (center | console | admin | cockpit) "console" #REQUIRED
21:45 <wrtlprnft_> what's the point in specifying a default and making it required anyways?
21:45 <Self_Destructo> accident
21:45 <wrtlprnft_> same with Rotate
21:46 <wrtlprnft_> but looks ok to me otherwise :)
21:46 <Self_Destructo> #REQUIRED is more important than a defualt
21:46 <Self_Destructo> so I got rid of the defualt
21:46 <wrtlprnft_> i'd say let Message::type default to "console" and leave Rotate::* as required
21:47 <wrtlprnft_> i guess I'm missing up the syntax here, :: is c++ ;)
21:47 <wrtlprnft_> *mixing
21:48 <Self_Destructo> lol, i saw
21:50 <Self_Destructo> ok, well, I g2g for tonight
21:50 <Self_Destructo> curfew comes on in a few
21:50 <wrtlprnft_> night
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01:20 <z-man-home> hmm, I don't see a pyqt package
01:20 <z-man-home> qtjava and qtruby
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, is portage supposed to be in /usr ?
01:21 <z-man-home> qt-4.1.2 is there, though, so you probably can install pyqt4 after that
01:21 <z-man-home>  /usr/portage is the package database
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, pyqt wants 4.1.0, and 4.1.2 is newest
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> kubuntu only offers 4.0.0
01:22 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma: Now that I've finally gotten drupal running smoothly, and understand most of it, I thank you so much for opening my eyes to it.
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> see, I was going to work on acme, and I thought I'd go check on pyqt4's progress.  :)
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: oh yeah?  You're welcome.  :)
01:22 <z-man-home> yes, I see
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: can I see it?  :)
01:23 <mkzelda> www.mkzelda.com
01:23  * n54 takes a peek too :)
01:23 <mkzelda> Obviously not done, but its coming along
01:24 <mkzelda> and check my gallery link, see if it logs you in as me or not
01:24 <mkzelda> cause it does that for me... and theres a bunch of images that are definatly private showing up there...
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, didn't log me in as you
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
01:25 <mkzelda> that gallery module is nifty
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> give me a name of an image and I'll tell you if I can see it (make it not too private)
01:25 <n54> lots of puppies :)
01:25 <mkzelda> how many albums do you see?
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> 7
01:25 <mkzelda> ok
01:25 <mkzelda> there are 12
01:26 <mkzelda> phew
01:26 <mkzelda> i enabled the random image block
01:26 <mkzelda> and all this pr0n came up :D
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's neat how drupal uses the same interface for administration that it uses for the front-end, but it can be disorienting at times
01:26 <guru3> good morning
01:26 <n54> goor morning guru3 and everybody :)
01:26 <z-man-home> morning
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> so where's portage supposed to be?
01:26 <Lucifer_arma>  /usr or / ?
01:27 <z-man-home>  /usr/portage
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> ok.  I untarred it in / :)
01:27 <guru3> tar jxvf portage-snapshot.tar.bz2 -C /usr/portage/
01:27 <guru3> iirc
01:27 <z-man-home> but of course, the "official" way to search it is "emerge -s"
01:27 <z-man-home> you untarred it?
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> stage3 install....
01:27 <z-man-home> ah
01:28 <mkzelda> didnt they remove stage1 from the manual
01:28 <guru3> yeah
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> figured I was waiting for qt4 to compile anyway and I was a little pissed about that, I might as well do something productive
01:28 <z-man-home> well, your emerges were working, right? So it must be in the right place.
01:28 <guru3> what's up with that :/
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> this is on my laptop.  The server's fine, except I have to figure out why mod_rewrite isn't working
01:28 <mkzelda> yea, i got slammed by the devs/mods on the forums for saying something negative about that
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  about mod_rewrite being broke by default?
01:29 <mkzelda> no, about stage1 removal
01:29  * Lucifer_arma mumbles about a web server isn't a web server without mod_rewrite
01:29 <guru3> to me not having stage one sorta defeats the purpose
01:29 <guru3> so naturally i do stage1 anyway
01:30 <mkzelda> i hate forums, i rarely use them, and when i do, i tend to be the catalyst for the biggest flame war ever
01:30 <mkzelda> and then my question never gets answered
01:30 <guru3> lol
01:31 <mkzelda> it blows my mind b/c im a pretty laidback and chill kind of guy
01:32 <mkzelda> and i can have convos in any other setting/medium no problem
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> FUCK YOU AND ALL STAGES!!?!!!111!!1ONE!!ONEone
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> er
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> did that come out here?  I thought I only thunk it...
01:32 <n54> *shakes soda can violently and throws to Lucifer* here, have a relaxing drink :)
01:33 <mkzelda> i just cleaned up the most massive nasty diarrhea pile
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> now, here's two things that don't make sense to me
01:33 <mkzelda> im pretty sure all of you wanted to know that about me
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> 1) Konsole doesn't automatically go into the system tray !?
01:33 <mkzelda> my puppies got spayed today, very sick :(
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> 2) Konsole lets me do zmodem upload
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> ack
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> I saw something about that on your website.  :)
01:34  * n54 read that as "sprayed" :C
01:34 <mkzelda> nah, that wasnt on the site
01:34 <mkzelda> that was just a title similar
01:34 <mkzelda> most kapps dont default to systray b/c not all users of kapps use k
01:35 <mkzelda> i did take pics of the deeeerah
01:35 <mkzelda> it was amazingly sick
01:35 <mkzelda> website worthy
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> where the hell is this mirrorselect tool supposed to be?
01:36 <mkzelda> its supposed to help select a mirror
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> the section says "optional", so I'm going to option my way past it
01:36 <mkzelda> it pings a shitload of servers
01:36 <mkzelda> and finds those w/ the lowest ping
01:36 <mkzelda> and then u use those for rsync/distfiles
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> lowest ping eh?  Nice to know I'll be able to core dump people there, but how many players can play?
01:36 <mkzelda> u can do the same for ntp selection
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> why don't they flood each server and pick the one that takes the most pings without overloading?
01:37 <mkzelda> its more than just lowest ping i believe
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> seems like that'd pick the best mirror :)
01:37 <mkzelda> i just havent looked closer to see
01:37 <mkzelda> seems to do a good job
01:37 <mkzelda> i tend to agree w/ its selections
01:37 <mkzelda> ima tell u now tho...
01:37 <mkzelda> mirror.datapipe.net works quite well for me
01:37 <mkzelda> for distfiles mirror
01:37 <mkzelda> .net may not be right
01:38 <mkzelda> its in the mirror list
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> I think you gave me that one last time, and I stuck it in there
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> this time I'm optioning my way past it, I'll dig it out later from my other one :)
01:38 <mkzelda> it maxes my connection 95% of the time
01:40 <mkzelda> i wish there was a way to purge the drupal access log of particular events
01:40 <mkzelda> like i fixed certain SQL errors I'd like to never look at again
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> what will happen first?  Will I finish installing gentoo, or will qt4 finish building?  Mind you, I don't need to build qt4 to get gentoo working and useable...
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> access log gets automatically flushed
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> you did set up your cronjobs, right?
01:41 <mkzelda> no, couldnt select an appropriate module
01:41 <mkzelda> there were like 10 cron modules
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> the cronjob is supposed to clear out entries older than a certain configurable window
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> oh, nononono.  Don't use one of their cron modules.
01:41 <mkzelda> yea, but which module are u using
01:41 <mkzelda> and which one are you using to put your taxonomy in a block
01:42 <guru3> bbl
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> drupal ships with the one you should use, the rest are for situations where you're unable to use cron
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> is drupal on your server, or some cheap web hosting service, or what?
01:42 <mkzelda> cheap web hosting service
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, may not matter.  Did you install 4.7?
01:43 <mkzelda> Cron has not run. It appears cron jobs have not been setup on your system. Please check the help pages for configuring cron jobs.
01:43 <mkzelda> yes
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> basically the operation is a wget call in a crontab that you control, and wget requests the page that does the work
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> the drupal 4.7 docs tell you what to do there, I'll dig up a link in a sec
01:43 <mkzelda> yea i got it
01:43 <mkzelda> http://drupal.org/cron
01:44 <mkzelda>      Sat Mar 18 06:24:06 2006 >>> x11-libs/qt-4.1.1
01:44 <mkzelda>        merge time: 43 minutes and 39 seconds.
01:44 <mkzelda>      Mon Mar 20 13:43:35 2006 >>> x11-libs/qt-3.3.6
01:44 <mkzelda>        merge time: 15 minutes and 56 seconds.
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> and what did you mean here?  <mkzelda> and which one are you using to put your taxonomy in a block
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01:45 <mkzelda> well, i guess its your navigation panel
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> on my davefancella.com site?
01:45 <mkzelda> how do you get your categories to show up as links
01:45 <mkzelda> yes
01:45 <mkzelda> 'getting around'
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  That's just a menu
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> I put all those entries in there the Hard Way
01:46 <mkzelda> 'Primary links' took me the longest to figure out
01:46 <mkzelda> i dont really like it
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> that's not the actual structure of my taxonomy.  :)  My taxonomy is better ordered than that, it's just not ordered well for casual surfers
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't like either primary or secondary links, did I use them?  heh
01:47 <mkzelda> i ended up leaving it thinking i'd like it, right now i use it to link my feedback/todo list
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, there's supposed to be a search box there, but it's screwed up
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> and the other is the paypal link.
01:47 <guru3> back
01:47 <mkzelda> I expected to be able to add some urls like my gallery and forum
01:47 <mkzelda> in a section called links
01:47 <mkzelda> heh
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think they threw those in there in a half-assed fashion and would rather use a block now
01:47 <mkzelda> or primary links i guess
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'd prefer those to be block positions supported by all template engines
01:48 <mkzelda> the templates are teh suck
01:48 <mkzelda> they all look the same
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, they're stock templates, what did you expect?  :)
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> there are some beautiful templates out there, but I prefer to grow my own anyway
01:48 <mkzelda> not hte stock, the list on the webpage
01:49 <mkzelda> they alll look the same too
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  look at the list you get when you google drupal templates :)
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> what I'd really like right now is a drupalized MonoBook template, from wikipedia.
01:49 <mkzelda> yea, i planned on it, i just wanted something else other than default
01:49 <mkzelda> but everything else sucked
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> I used their pushbutton template until I was ready to port my old one over.
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01:50 <Lucifer_arma> it was the top turd on the pile.  :)
01:50 <mkzelda> i like goofy but it doesnt work
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'd like a block that let me expose my taxonomy, though.
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> and let me disable pieces, and reorder them.  Maintaining that menu is a pain, so I don't do it, and it keeps sucking, and every day it sucks a little more from inaction.
01:52 <mkzelda> there are modules that do it
01:52 <mkzelda> but the few that i tried gave me sql errors
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> I saw modules tht do it in the content pane, but not that did it in blocks
01:53 <mkzelda> i went through that entire list and downloaded anything that sounded interesting
01:53 <mkzelda> about 75% worked
01:53 <mkzelda> about 50% of those i still liked
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, 4.7 picked up database independence, there are api calls instead that you're supposed to use.  Sure you were using modules for the right version?
01:53 <mkzelda> yes
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  That's actually an amazing hit rate for such a list.  :)
01:53 <mkzelda> but they didnt fully test them i think
01:53 <mkzelda> 75% of what i tried worked
01:53 <mkzelda> i got about 20-25 modules
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> my hit rate for Mambo components was less than 30% worked, and 10% I liked
01:54 <mkzelda> im using about 5-10 of them now
01:54 <guru3> what's the difference between an ion and a free radical?
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> you interested in any drupal hacking?
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> ion has an electrical charge
01:54 <mkzelda> yes
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> dont' know what free radical means, unless you just mean "element"
01:55 <mkzelda> Cron is running. The last cron job ran 12 sec ago. 
01:55 <mkzelda> all i did was visit the url once, will it continue on its own
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> ion is like, ummm.  Hydrogen loses 1 electron to become Hydride
01:55 <guru3> Cl2 + UV light -> 2Cl radicals
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, you have to put it in a cronjob, like on your own machine
01:55 <mkzelda> ok
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't have a server to run it on, I can put it on mine for you.
01:56 <mkzelda> the 'cron is running' deceived me
01:56 <mkzelda> thx, it shouldnt be a prob tho
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: break down the equation and write, um, the ionized form?
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> how many electrons does one chloride have in Cl2?  I think it's more than how many it normally has, isn't it?
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> UV Light adds electrons (or subtracts, I forget)
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> when the UV Light interacts with the Cl2, you wind up with two separate, complete Cl atoms
01:58 <guru3> chlorine is diatomic
01:58 <guru3> by itself Cl has 7 electrons
01:58 <guru3> Cl2 has 14
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> sure about that?
01:58  * Lucifer_arma pulls out his chemistry notebook
01:58 <guru3> well, it's in the 7 electron in my outer orbital period
02:00 <guru3> or group really
02:00 <guru3> gah chemistry exam today :/
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> ?  I had a lewis structure for Cl2 drawn at one point
02:01 <guru3> yeah it's
02:01 <guru3>  .. ..
02:01 <guru3> :Cl:Cl:
02:01 <guru3>  .. ..
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> aha, there we go
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> Chlorine gains 1 electron to become Chloride
02:02 <mkzelda> webhost allowed cron no probs
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> Umm, hm.  Cl2, that's a covalent bond, right?
02:02 <guru3> but the why's that Cl. and not Cl-
02:02 <guru3> yes
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> what property of UV light causes the Cl2 to break up?
02:03 <Lucifer_arma> I would have thought it either pushed an electron onto the Chlorine atoms or it would push one off, causing the split
02:03 <Lucifer_arma> if it added electrons, that would leave you with 2 Chlorides, not 2 Chlorines
02:04  * Lucifer_arma reminds guru3 that he dropped his chem class and will retake it in the fall
02:04 <guru3> heh
02:04 <guru3> odds are i won't be asked to explain it
02:04 <guru3> but simply tell if something is a radical or an ion
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> well that should be easy, then, right?
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> assuming radical = electrically neutral element, as in "exactly what's on the periodic table"
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> we just called those "atoms", so I don't have any idea if radical is a different configuration or not
02:05 <guru3> yes aparently radicals don't have an electric charge
02:05 <n54> let's not assume http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_%28chemistry%29
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> what did google say?  :)
02:06 <guru3> ok i get it now
02:06 <guru3> thanks
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> aha
02:06 <guru3>  ..
02:06 <guru3> :Cl:
02:06 <guru3>  '
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> so you left a symbol out of your chemical equation :)
02:06 <guru3> that has no overall charge
02:07 <guru3> but an unpaired electron => free radical
02:07 <n54> yup that's howe it seems to me t least
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> don't all the elements in group 7 have an unpaired electron?
02:07 <guru3> they're all diatomic
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02:07 <n54> and since they're diatomic that would be yes right?
02:08 <guru3> well you see
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> so 1 parallel spin?  :)
02:08 <guru3> since they're diatomic the always come in X2
02:08 <guru3> so they don't naturally occur as free radicals
02:08 <guru3> if they get split exactly (as by UV light)
02:08 <guru3> then they become radicals
02:08 <n54> yes well put
02:09  * n54 thinks guru3 will fly through the chem exams :)
02:09 <guru3> hah
02:09 <guru3> i'm starting to think i lost a chunk of my notes
02:10 <n54> probably all the stuff you thought "that's too easy to write down" :)
02:10 <n54> I mean the three of us blasted away at free radicals right?
02:10 <guru3> can anyone tell me about dG = dH -TdS
02:11 <n54> sorry I can't even read that :) what does it mean?
02:11 <guru3> that's the question
02:11 <guru3> it's a formula for checking the spontaneity of reactions
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> what's G H and T?  :)
02:11  * n54 goes looking for his uni chem book
02:12 <n54> I wonder more about G, T could be Tin
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's a mystery to me, probably from the latter half of the class?
02:12 <guru3> h is enthalpy i think
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect T is time
02:12 <guru3> t is temperature
02:12 <guru3> not sure what S is :/
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> are dG, dH, and dS derivatives?
02:13 <guru3> delta
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> and, um, is this a calc-based chem course?  ;)
02:13 <guru3> change
02:13 <guru3> no
02:13 <guru3> s is entropy
02:13 <n54> hmm is this about bond energy and enthalpy?
02:14 <guru3> sort of
02:15 <n54> delta H = sigma D (bonds broken) - sigma D (bonds formed)  (sigma == sum sign)
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> I just found that equation
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> does this have anything to do with q=mc(delta)t?
02:16 <n54> but guru3 wrote: dG = dH -TdS *n54 doesn't know*
02:16 <guru3> ok
02:16 <guru3> dG = Gibbs free energy change
02:16 <n54> ok
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> ah, that's new to me
02:17 <guru3> when it's negative a reaction is spontaneous
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm guessing dS is change in seconds
02:17 <n54> *tries to find that in the book'
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> dH looks like enthalpy of formation
02:17 <guru3> dH = the enthalpy change of the reaction
02:17 <guru3> T = the temperature in kelvin
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> right, which is a constant for any compound
02:17 <guru3> dS = the entropy change of the equation
02:17 <guru3> no T is not constant
02:17 <guru3> T is the T at which you hope the reaction occurs
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> dH, I was talking about
02:18 <guru3> oh
02:18 <guru3> that's the same for a given reaction yes
02:18  * n54 found it too
02:18 <n54> S is the entrophy
02:18 <n54> entropy*
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> so it looks like you're checking how much dH has been released at given times after the reaction begins
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> or something to that effect <insert precise chemistry language here>
02:19 <guru3> or something yeah
02:19 <guru3> onto rates of reaction
02:19 <n54> definition: G (free energy) = H (enthalpy) - TS (Kelvin temperature times entropy)
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02:20 <guru3> heterogeneous catalysts crack me up
02:21 <n54> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy I had to look up enthalpy :)
02:23 <guru3> can anyone look up colision theory for me?
02:23 <n54> sure
02:23 <guru3> thnx
02:23 <guru3> nm
02:23 <guru3> found it in notes
02:23 <n54> ok, did you mean as in chemical kinetics?
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> enthalpy = heat :)
02:24 <n54> Lucifer_arma: according to wikipedia: Enthalpy (symbolized H, also called heat content) is the sum of the internal energy of matter and the product of its volume and pressure
02:25 <n54> so yes heat, but heat in all "forms" 
02:25 <n54> if you get my meaning :)
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, well, knock off an electron and you get radiation, right?
02:25 <guru3> but you can't measure absolute enthalpy
02:26 <n54> yes
02:26 <guru3> beta radiation to be exact
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> teacher didn't tell us which kind.  :)  Man, I had a sucky teacher.
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'll retake it, and then we'll know for sure if my teacher was sucky, or if I was sucky
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I got the email from my calc teacher.  I got an A!  
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait a minute, I already told you guys.
02:26 <n54> can you choose a different one?
02:27 <n54> yup you did :)
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's why I dropped it.  To take my chances with a different teacher.  :)
02:27 <n54> good :)
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> I had a C in the class, I could have passed it, it's not like I was in danger of failing
02:27 <guru3> lol
02:27 <mkzelda> awwww just realized the wishlist module is getting sql errors :(
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> awwwwwwwww
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> why do gentoo people use nano?  WHAT'S WRONG WITH VI????!!!?
02:29 <n54> heh I miss notepad when on *nix -- I just wan't to be able to write UTF-8 pure tect - nothing more
02:29 <n54> so that's wrong with vi ;)
02:29 <n54> open - save -exit nothing more needed :)
02:29 <guru3> i use vi
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, don't use one of those weird languages that claims it uses a 26-letter alphabet but is lying, or you wouldn't need utf8 :)
02:29  * n54 has toyed with the idea of writing such an app in python
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> vi doesn't support unicode?
02:30  * Lucifer_arma notes that kwrite and kate handle it just fine
02:30 <n54> they both suck at i18n imo
02:30 <n54> but I'm only running kde at this knoppix box
02:31 <mkzelda> I use nano
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> kate: tools->encoding->pick one
02:31 <n54> *tries it for the umpteenth time, perhaps lucifer saying it will make it come true*
02:32 <n54> can well be a fubar of knoppix though
02:32 <mkzelda> i starting using pico in '97 so i never used anything else cause i was already comfortable
02:32 <mkzelda> although i have tried
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not promising what it will look like, of course.  :)  I never change that stuff because utf8 and ascii are the same for my purposes.
02:33 <n54> dang nabbit! *sends lucifer a chicken in the mail*
02:33 <n54> ....must have been fixed on this knoppix version
02:33  * Lucifer_arma wonders if receiving a chicken in the mail should be taken as a compliment or an insult :)
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> (not that it matters, food is food, after all)
02:33 <n54> hehe :D compliment
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I better pay attention to configuring my kernel, this will be pretty important.
02:34 <n54> and a slight reference toblack computer magic
02:35 <McSpiddles> wrtl?
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> why does vim take so long to build?
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/mbyte.html  <--- vim will do it too
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> :set encoding=utf-8
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: I noticed that my new gentoo server booted a whole lot faster than it's mandriva incarnation
02:40 <n54> I'm more familiar with emacs than win although I have both on my windows box as well, so I've always grudgingly used emacs in the past on knoppix (man is that beast ugly or what?)
02:40 <n54> wim*
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> *vim
02:40 <n54> vim* aaaargh!
02:41 <guru3> 2/5th thru my chem binder
02:41 <n54> :D
02:41 <guru3> time for a break
02:41 <n54> :)
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> I only use vi because it works just like vue from the old alpha-micro system in my high school
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I just realized that, too.
02:41 <guru3> i use vi
02:42 <guru3> cause i'm not sure why
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  Now I realize why I originally made an alias vue for vi back when I first started with Mandrake.
02:42 <guru3> i just wound up using it
02:42 <n54> vi is good to know though since it's the standard really
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I used it back on the UNICOS system for the NM supercomputing challenge, too.  It was a Cray XMPE I think
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> 2 processors
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> because.... ed sucks, and vi acted just like vue
02:44  * n54 can't never remember if what I've used on obsd is called mc or mg or m*something*
02:44 <guru3> mama mia!
02:44 <n54> you_mom isn't here ;)
02:44 <guru3> haha
02:44 <n54> your*
02:44 <n54> :D
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> mama mia let me go!
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh
02:45 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as You_mama
02:45 <n54> ah queen song
02:45 <You_mama> if I use this nickname, will people think I'm Your_mom?
02:45 <guru3> lol
02:45 -!- You_mama is now known as Lucifer_arma
02:45 <n54> somewhat liekly
02:45 <n54> likely*
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> he's probably been away long enough again for a lot of people to forget about him
02:45 -!- guru3 is now known as your_mothers
02:45 <n54> holiday or something like that?
02:46  * your_mothers so fat texas looks small
02:46 -!- your_mothers is now known as guru3
02:46 <n54> hehe
02:46  * n54 wonders where mom is
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> haha, should I compile in Amiga FFS support?  :)
02:57 <n54> sure, but what would you do with it? :)
02:58 <n54> armabot is still sleeping?
03:06 <n54> ...
03:06 <guru3> lol
03:06 <n54> ?
03:07 <guru3> nm
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> apparently armabot's broke
03:14 <guru3> no!
03:14 <guru3> :o
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, if I hd Amiga FFS support, I could use the floppy drive this laptop doesn't have to write the disk images I do have to disk for the amiga I don't have
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> I hope I configured this kernel correctly, it's been a few years since I configured a kernel
03:18 <guru3> you;; soon know
03:19 <guru3> you;;
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh, probably not terribly soon
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> qt4 finished building
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> hwich means I'll finish the gentoo isntall a different day
03:30 <guru3> exam time
03:30 <guru3> bbl
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> I still have 3 letters to write tonight that I've been slacking on, one of which is needed to determine residency so my next class will be half the price
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> good luck
03:30 <guru3> thnx
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06:08 <spider> i found my floor
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07:22 <Luke-Jr> z-man-work: z-man-work z-man-work z-man-work z-man-work 
07:24 <Luke-Jr> tag b_0_2_5_end . keep or delete?
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07:43 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: what about asking on the forums?
07:50 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Lucifer_arma if you don't like nano (like me) edit /etc/rc.conf and change the EDITOR variable there
07:50 <wrtlprnft> nano sucks, alone because of the annoying nano -w (yes you can alias it and stuff, but that sucks)
07:52 <wrtlprnft> and i don't wanna permanently waste 5 lines for useleess stuff (2 help lines, 2 blank lines (!), and one status line)
08:13 <z-man-work> Luke-Jr: it doesn't get more visible if you repeat it on one line :)
08:13 <z-man-work> is the tag really at the end of b_0_2_5? Then delete.
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09:29 <McSpiddles> wrtl
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09:44 <Gnorty> wb all
10:20 <guru3> ouch :/
10:38 <guru3> garr
10:38 <guru3> where's lucifer when you want to try and set up a db cluster
10:41 <z-man-work> sleeping or working, I guess
10:42 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: there's three morons on your race server, kicking out everybody who joins. Thought you may want to know :) One of them is named "Ian", I forgot about the others. I was "ZMan" when they hit me.
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13:34 <n54> huh you beat the internet again! :o
13:36 <guru3> haha
13:36 <n54> hi guru3 :) how did it go today?
13:36 <guru3> the ib made a mistake on the chem exam
13:36 <guru3> and
13:36 <guru3> they forgot to allow us to have periodic tables
13:36 <guru3> on the multiple choice
13:36 <n54> :o
13:37 <guru3> so we were screwed for a lot of questions
13:37 <guru3> they say that they'll take that into account tho
13:37 <n54> yeah that basically means you'll pass, a small snafu (much smaller than what you experienced) was all that saved me from having to retake higher maths :D
13:37 <n54> only one question actually lol :)
13:38 <guru3> lol
13:38 <guru3> oops ><
13:38 <n54> hehe yeah not a proud moment for me
13:38 <guru3> :/
13:38 <guru3> i hopes i pass
13:38 <n54> you probably will
13:39 <n54> and ib is hard, I don't know of any other system at that level which is that hard (although there might be)
13:40 <z-man> n54: no, z-man-work never times out
13:40 <n54> aah ok :)
13:41 <guru3> hrhr
13:41 <guru3> it's hard
13:42 <guru3> environmental chemistry and biochemistry options tomorrow
13:42 <guru3> and guess what n54 
13:42 <guru3> there was a question
13:42 <guru3> like
13:42 <guru3> defining a free radical
13:42 <guru3> in the multiple choice
13:42 <n54> *guesses what* :)
13:42 <guru3> i was like
13:42 <n54> cool :D
13:42 <guru3> "pwnt"
13:42 <n54> oh?
13:42 <guru3> yeah
13:42 <guru3> cause we went over it
13:42 <guru3> i pwned the question
13:42 <n54> like you made it right?
13:42 <guru3> yes
13:42 <n54> good! :D
13:43 <n54> I guess we can say wikipedia to the rescue hehe :)
13:43 <guru3> hrhr
13:43 <guru3> sshhh
13:44 <n54> :)
13:44 <guru3> actually, i'm not supposed to be talking about the exam :/
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13:44 <guru3> stupid ib
13:44 <n54> ah yeah but you know, it's more like "not memorize it all and give it away"
13:45 <guru3> nah
13:45 <guru3> :)
13:47 <n54> strangely my "Chemical Principles" by Steven S. Zumdahl does not index free radicals or radicals, I wonder why
13:48 <guru3> Oo
13:48 <guru3> fubar
13:49 <n54> it's a very good book, perhaps it uses more specific names or something such
13:50 <guru3> i don't think there's another name for it
13:51 <n54> you might be right as the wikipedia article didn't mention any iirc
13:53 <guru3> ><
13:54 <guru3> what's H2S called
13:56 <n54> dihydrogen sulfur? not sure
13:56 <guru3> that's the point :S
13:56 <guru3> those chlorine radicals in the ozone
13:56 <guru3> they suck
13:57 <guru3> O3 + Cl. -> O2 + OCl.
13:57 <n54> hydrogen sulfide is another way of naming it it seems
13:57 <guru3> OCl. + O3 + O -> 2O2 + Cl.
13:57 <n54> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide
13:57 <guru3> curses upon you chlorofloro carbons with your cool names!
13:57 <guru3> thnx n54 :)
13:57 <n54> mp :)
13:58 <guru3> mp :)
14:02 <Gnorty> IS LUCI HERE?
14:02 <Gnorty> oops. sorry for caps
14:02 <guru3> damnit
14:02 <guru3> i was just about to reply in caps
14:02 <guru3> no he's not
14:03 <Gnorty> heh
14:03 <wrtl_web_broken> z-man: I'll take care of it when i come home, thanks. If I use the ban command, will it still be there after a restart? That server has dedicated_idle set to 1...
14:03 <n54> :) & hi Gnorty
14:03 <Gnorty> hi n54 :)
14:03 <wrtl_web_broken> spidey: yes?
14:04 <Gnorty> wrtl - spidey wanted you hours ago - idiots on race server
14:08 <Gnorty> wrtl - if whatever client you are using isnt lagged by 3-4 hours, can you help me a little with the new HUD?
14:11  * Gnorty thinks wrtls client is lagged
14:11 <n54> yeah probably
14:12 <Gnorty> when I am asleep he will reply
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14:12 <wrtl_web_broken> yesterday i played there and some guy renamed himself to Admin (red color) and claimed the server would restart in 30 seconds... imagine his surprise when first the "real" admin said it would restart in 10 seconds and in ten seconds it restarted 
14:12 <wrtl_web_broken2> yesterday i played there and some guy renamed himself to Admin (red color) and claimed the server would restart in 30 seconds... imagine his surprise when first the "real" admin said it would restart in 10 seconds and in ten seconds it restarted 
14:12 <Gnorty> wrtl has the brokenest client
14:13 <guru3> wrtl_web_broken_record.
14:13 <Gnorty> is there a prize for that?
14:13 <n54> :)
14:14 <guru3> :s
14:14 <Gnorty> cuz if there is, then I can break my client
14:14 <Gnorty> cuz if there is, then I can break my client
14:14 <Gnorty> cuz if there is, then I can break my client
14:14 <Gnorty> cuz if there is, then I can break my client
14:14 <n54> huh I had never heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IUPAC before now, they've got some books for dl as well
14:14 <n54> heh Gnorty :)
14:15 <wrtl_web_broken2> the client i use right now isn't lagged, but it doesn't show the replies...
14:16 <wrtl_web_broken2> I have to use the logs my computer at home produces to read anything, and those get updated all 5 minutes
14:16 <Gnorty> :O
14:16 <Gnorty> that is pretty broken...
14:16 <guru3> :/
14:16 <guru3> wrtl_web_broken2: what client is it?
14:16 <guru3> Gnorty: don't push it
14:16 <wrtl_web_broken2> so, yes, not the best time to talk. I'll be home in abut an hour 45 minutes
14:17 <Gnorty> -wrtl_web_broken- VERSION CGI:IRC 0.5.8 (2006/04/30) - http://cgiirc.sf.net/
14:17 <Gnorty> guru3 -??
14:18 <guru3> with repeating
14:18 <guru3> wrtl, would a java client be better?
14:18 <wrtl_web_broken2> and now i have to leave, sorry
14:18 <Gnorty> I did a while back for a joke, it's nmot like I make a hbit of it. but point taken I guess/
14:19 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/upload/dihymon1.jpg
14:19 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/upload/dihymon2.jpg
14:20 <guru3> that shit is dangerous! look out!
14:21 <n54> hehe
14:23 <guru3> i'm serious
14:23 <guru3> you don't look out
14:23 <guru3> you could die
14:24 <n54> :)
14:30 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/graphicblog/
14:30 <n54> hehe
14:43 <Gnorty> heh, the IRC logs are funny.
14:43 <Gnorty> didn't realise I caps-locked so much!
14:43 <guru3> my site is so disjointe
14:43 <guru3> d
14:44 <z-man> har, I just got my gf with the dihydrogenmonoxide stuff. Again :)
14:44 <guru3> haha
14:44 <guru3> showed her those images? x)
14:46 <z-man> No, I explained it to her
14:46 <guru3> aww :(
14:46 <z-man> works much better with her :)
14:46 <guru3> x)
14:46 <guru3> when in doubt- it's carcenogenic
14:47 <guru3> nitrates? carcenogenic!
14:47 <guru3> uv light? carcenogenic!
14:47 <guru3> mercury? carcenogenic!
14:47 <guru3> cadmium? carcenogenic!
14:47 <guru3> pizza? carcenogenic!
14:48 <guru3> lead? carcenogenic!
14:48 <guru3> couldn't remember the last of the heavy metals
14:48 <z-man> reminds me of that:
14:48 <z-man> http://www.easy2remember.name/media/67/Rubidium-and-cesium-in-water.html
14:49 <z-man> In the end, they say "For some reason, they wouln't let us have Francium" :)
14:49 <guru3> i've seen the K and Na and stuff in real life
14:51 <guru3> the real question
14:51 <guru3> is why you keep links like that around? ;)
14:51 <z-man> My father brought us some blocks of Na to play with :)
14:51 <z-man> I don't :)
14:51 <z-man> It's in some other archive
14:52 <guru3> hrhr
14:52 <guru3> haha
14:52  * z-man hates it when one konqueror window hangs and it blocks another konqueror window
14:52 <guru3> that was amuzing
15:02 <Gnorty> that program is on TV here most days I think
15:02 <Gnorty> its cool
15:19 <wrtlprnft> omg
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15:20 <wrtlprnft> i frote all those messages from wrtl_web_broken2 within a minute or so
15:20 <wrtlprnft> and they came spread over some minutes
15:20 <wrtlprnft> *wrote
15:21 <wrtlprnft> i use joda's website, but since it's blocked from scholl i have to use a proxy script, and it kinda screws things up
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15:22 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetron.nixda.net
15:26 <n54> wow "prison break" really has some twists and turns :o
15:32 <guru3> yeah
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15:33 <n54> just saw the episode with the taj mahal model on tv, it's the only thing on tv I try to catch
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15:34 <Lucifer_arma> ack.  It's terribly easy to break a bootloader, apparently
15:36 <n54> yes
15:36 <n54> they're tiny fragile things
15:37 <n54> I guess perhaps you reformatted whatever partiion it was hidden in?
15:37  * n54 has done that blunder
15:43 <guru3> there you are Lucifer_arma 
15:43 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/upload/question3.png
15:43 <guru3> a friend of mine in college in the uk
15:44 <guru3> needed some help with his maths
15:44 <guru3> i did that answer ><
15:44 <guru3> had to consult my notes tho :/
15:44 <guru3> if i'd had it memorized i wouldn't a done so bad on the exam
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> ?  ummm, where's the problem?  :)  I see lots of work, but which one's the problem?
16:02 <guru3> good night
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> no, I tried to install the bootloader according to gentoo docs, and it not only wiped out the old one, but it put a non-working one in its place
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> so now I'e got Simple Boot Manager, which is pretty neat, and GRUB installed for the Kubuntu partition, and I'll try to install grub for the gentoo partition too.
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> it means I'll have to hit enter twice when I boot, once for SBM, and once for a grub
16:09 <wrtlprnft> Gnorty: you wanted help with the HUD?
16:12 <n54> ah ok, a recent grub version or the "ancient" one?
16:12 <n54> sorry stupid question that was :)
16:14 <wrtlprnft> why is this stupid log not saying who voted for what poll?
16:14 <wrtlprnft> I though 
16:14 <wrtlprnft> t it would be in the logs even if voting_privacy was high
16:17 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, bans persist over sessions.
16:18 <McSpiddles> wrtl
16:18 <McSpiddles> when's the aw match?
16:18 <z-man> But don't ban them without reading the logs, I hardly saw what they were doing on account of being kicked immediately :) Perhaps they just wanted to have a private party and were only impolite.
16:19 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: not planned right now
16:19 <McSpiddles> k
16:19 <wrtlprnft> no, those guys are total idiots
16:19 <wrtlprnft> just reading
16:20 <wrtlprnft> they basically kicked everyone there
16:20 <wrtlprnft> and talked about shit
16:20 <Lucifer_arma> which guys?  am I missing good dirty happenings?
16:20  * Lucifer_arma puts on his gossip hat
16:21 <wrtlprnft> z-man: d'oh. Guess what they did by getting you autobanned...
16:21 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: no, just three unknown kiddies on wrtlprnft's race server kick-voting me
16:21 <wrtlprnft> they banned your master server as well
16:21 <z-man> Ban the master server?
16:21 <z-man> Ah, no worries :)
16:21 <Lucifer_arma> good thing we have more than one...
16:21 <z-man> I wasn't playing from home.
16:21 <wrtlprnft> [17] Players from IP 134.95.67.124 are banned for 43 minutes. Reason: This is an autoban from being kicked too often.
16:21 <z-man> That's my work UP
16:22 <z-man> IP
16:22 <wrtlprnft> i know, i did a whois and it says stuff about uni k�ln
16:22 <z-man> and pings, what the master does, aren't banned
16:22 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
16:22 <z-man> so even if I had played from home, nothing would have happened.
16:22 <z-man> The master server is running from home, btw. Just Fortress runs on stolen bandwidth :)
16:23 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> so what did they talk about then?  without giving up anything personal or whatever...
16:23 <wrtlprnft> z-man: you mind giving me that script you have on the CVS test servers?
16:23 <z-man> Nothing, I enter, they kickvote.
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> they're not planning to stage a coup or anything, eh?
16:24 <z-man> They did that with everyone
16:24 <wrtlprnft> no, definitely not
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> just wanted to kick everyone for he-said she-said crap?
16:24 <z-man> wrtlprnft: it's very crude...
16:24 <wrtlprnft> I'll upload the logs...
16:25 <z-man> Nah, really, that's overkill
16:25 <wrtlprnft> it's not their server
16:25 <z-man> It's just kiddies
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, heh.
16:26 <z-man> I'd rather interpret it as a feature request for "Lock this server, we're having a private match" feature :)
16:26 <z-man> Or a note to the server admin that the voting bias isn't high enough.
16:26 <wrtlprnft> they weren't having anything like that
16:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, if there's 4 people and 3 vote, that's enough of a reson to me
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmm.  "Lock my server for a private match:  $10/hour"  :)
16:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:27 <z-man> Sure, why not? You can leave your credit card info in the request form.
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> not that I wouldn't mind having such a feature otherwise, integrate it with a tourney php script and you've got SPOON handled easily.
16:28 <z-man> right, only problem is that you want to allow players who timed out or whatnot back on
16:29 <z-man> so no authentication, no deal
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> the integration part assumes authentication, or at least a reasonable acceptance of identity.
16:29 <z-man> ok
16:30 <z-man> semi off topic: bzflag has a team league with elo-style ratings
16:30 <z-man> managed by some software that is OS, too.
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> could just be "hit the php script from the computer you want to play from first", then use that IP as the basis of identity
16:30 <z-man> Think we should have a look at it?
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> what software?
16:30  * z-man is digging
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> what's elo-style ratings?  :)
16:31 <z-man> Sort of what our ladder does, only better designed
16:31 <z-man> win a match, gain points, lose a match, lose points
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELO_rating_system
16:31 <z-man> the stronger your opponent, the more you can gain by winning
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> anybody read Split Infinity by Piers Anthony?
16:32 <z-man> http://my.bzflag.org/league/
16:32 <z-man> http://sourceforge.net/projects/web-league
16:32 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: no, haven't read that
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16:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I wonder if there's a good explanation of the tournament system in that book available somewhere...
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'd liek to like the key features of the tourney in that book for armagetron :)
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'd liek to *lift the key features of the tourney in that book for armagetron :)
16:39 <n54> that wikipedia article on Elo was interesting stuff
16:39 <n54> /s/liek/like :)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> banned for a week now, all three of them. Sorry, I don't like idiots on my servers
16:46 <z-man> I like it when the idiots on my server call me noob :)
16:46 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/Jan.log
16:46 <n54> :)
16:46 <wrtlprnft> you got that story from wrtl_web_broken about server restarts?
16:47 <wrtlprnft> (it was just me and that guy on the server, so it didn't affect anyone else)
16:47 <z-man> No, not yet, armabot is broken
16:47 <z-man> but I'll probably see it when I'm z-man-work again
16:48 <wrtlprnft> just about some guy renaming himself to Admin, red color and talking about a server restart in 30 seconds
16:48 <wrtlprnft> and, well, i guess he was surprised when it did restart in 30 seconds
16:50 <wrtlprnft> uh, someone play armabot for me and tell spidey and SD that we'll have a match against AW on saturday, 8PM CDT
16:50 <wrtlprnft> n54: later tell spidey we have a match against AW on saturday, 8PM CDT
16:52 <z-man> bedtime for /me
16:52 <wrtlprnft> night
16:52 <z-man> night, all
16:52 <n54> cya :)
16:52 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508706BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
16:52  * n54 wonders why he should tell spidey
16:52 <wrtlprnft> n54: the correct answer would be <n54> wrtlprnft: The operation suceeded.
16:53 <wrtlprnft> :P armabot is down
16:53 <n54> it's on holiday ;)
16:53 <wrtlprnft> paid or unpaid?
16:53 <n54> as gor a messenger you'ls sure like someone who doesn't have problems with short-term memory ;)
16:53 <n54> for*
16:53 <n54> you'ld*
16:54 <wrtlprnft> well, better memory than me i presume
16:54 <n54> paid afaik (I think it might be whoring away at #supybot) :P
16:54 <wrtlprnft> heh, it's a she, according to Lucifer_arma 
16:54 <n54> yeah I meant she
16:56 <wrtlprnft> I just chose you since you seem to be around 24/7
16:56 <n54> that's only because I tend to forget I'm here ;) j/k
16:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:57 <n54> I copied the message so if I'm here and I notice and the computer didn't freeze up on me or all other things that can go wrong I'll paste it when if he comes :)
16:57 <wrtlprnft> lol
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17:01 <wrtlprnft> err
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17:02  * McSpiddles yawns
17:02 <n54> later tell spidey we have a match against AW on saturday, 8PM CDT
17:02 <wrtlprnft> wrong
17:02 <n54> yay!
17:02 <Luke-Jr> Stage 3a complete
17:02 <n54> spiddles aint spidey?
17:02 <McSpiddles> nope
17:02 <n54> oh
17:02 <McSpiddles> lol....
17:02 <McSpiddles> :p
17:02 <n54> ;_; :D
17:03 <McSpiddles> what i really need
17:03 <McSpiddles> is sleep
17:03 <McSpiddles> lots and lots of.....sleep
17:03 <n54> me too
17:03 <McSpiddles> more than you can get in 1 day
17:03 <n54> and a handful of lovely ladies
17:03 <wrtlprnft> uh, good night i guess
17:03 <McSpiddles> lol wrtl
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17:03 <McSpiddles> you sure it's 10 minutes ago?
17:03 <wrtlprnft> about
17:04 <McSpiddles> i need a precise time
17:04 <McSpiddles> that's what bots do
17:04 <McSpiddles> down to the nano-second
17:04 <wrtlprnft> well, tell armabot
17:04 <McSpiddles> lol
17:04 <wrtlprnft> armabot: hi there, WE NEED YOU!
17:04 <McSpiddles> #echo boo
17:04 <armabot> boo
17:04 <McSpiddles> :p
17:04 <wrtlprnft> !!!!
17:04 <wrtlprnft> it works?
17:04 <wrtlprnft> #f
17:04 <McSpiddles> #tell wrtlprnft wtfpwn
17:04 <armabot> Random Fortune:  Gomme's Laws: || (1) A backscratcher will always find new itches. || (2) Time accelerates. || (3) The weather at home improves as soon as you go away.
17:05 <McSpiddles> :p
17:05 <McSpiddles> #tell wrtlprnft wtfpwn
17:05 <n54> *phew*
17:05 <McSpiddles> lol
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17:05 <McSpiddles> #haxor wrtlprnft 
17:05 <McSpiddles> freenode netsplitting to much...
17:06 <n54> seen worse :)
17:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, i was logged in to that server yesterday
17:06 <wrtlprnft> I guess i can count myself lucky :D
17:06 <n54> :)
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17:07 <Luke-Jr> lucky to be on the same half of the split as I am?
17:07 <Luke-Jr> =p
17:07 <wrtlprnft> no
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17:07 <n54> hehe Luke :)
17:07 <n54> wrtlprnft: have you messaged spidey?
17:07 <McSpiddles> spam war!
17:07  * McSpiddles fires rotten eggs
17:07  * n54 fires real quality spam
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17:08 <wrtlprnft> err
17:08 <n54> ??
17:08 <McSpiddles> no
17:08 <wrtlprnft> d'oh
17:08 <McSpiddles> he's broken
17:08 <wrtlprnft> poor guy
17:08 <McSpiddles> needs to be deleted
17:08  * McSpiddles rm's /home/wrtlprnft 
17:08 <McSpiddles> lol,wrtl broke it
17:08 <wrtlprnft> no, you did
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17:08 <wrtlprnft> wb
17:08 <n54> he's a she, and we need that female touch here
17:08 <n54> armabot that is
17:09 <McSpiddles> #whoisshe n54 
17:09 <armabot> n54: GodTodd is the girl for you!
17:09 <wrtlprnft> haha
17:09 <McSpiddles> kik
17:09 <McSpiddles> lol*
17:09 <McSpiddles> #whoisshe wrtlprnft
17:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabot is the girl for you!
17:09 <n54> ooo
17:09 <McSpiddles> #whoisshe Lucifer_arma
17:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: MaZuffeR is the girl for you!
17:09 <Luke-Jr> #whoisshe McSpiddles 
17:09 <armabot> McSpiddles: wrtlprnft is the girl for you!
17:09 <wrtlprnft> HAHAHA
17:10 <McSpiddles> lol!
17:10 <wrtlprnft> too hairy
17:10 <McSpiddles> #whoisshe Luke-Jr 
17:10 <armabot> Luke-Jr: Lucifer_arma is the girl for you!
17:10 <McSpiddles> :p
17:10 <McSpiddles> #whoisshe z-man-work
17:10 <armabot> z-man-work: armabot is the girl for you!
17:10 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
17:10 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
17:10 <McSpiddles> #eightball is wrtl real!?
17:10 <armabot> McSpiddles: No clue.
17:10 <McSpiddles> #eightball is wrtl real!?
17:10 <armabot> McSpiddles: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
17:10 <McSpiddles> #eightball is wrtl real!?
17:10 <armabot> McSpiddles: Come again?
17:10 <McSpiddles> #eightball is wrtl real!?
17:10 <armabot> McSpiddles: You know the answer better than I.
17:10 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:10 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ...
17:10 <McSpiddles> #eightball is god real?
17:10 <armabot> McSpiddles: It is so.
17:11 <McSpiddles> creepy
17:11 <n54> but true
17:11 <McSpiddles> :-s
17:11  * wrtlprnft watches Luke-Jr and Lucifer_arma marry
17:11 <McSpiddles> lol
17:11 <wrtlprnft> would they silence each other
17:11 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:12 <n54> yes, with a big sloppy french kiss :D
17:13 <wrtlprnft> I guess duct tape would be more appropiate
17:13  * n54 thnks wrtlprnft is kinky
17:14 <n54> thinks*
17:14 <wrtlprnft> I think there's pink duct tape, they could use that
17:14 <n54> :D
17:15 <McSpiddles> #list alias
17:15 <armabot> McSpiddles: 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, knock, lock, log, log, lotto, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulette, roulettebot, roulettte, spam, specialroulette, superdice, (1 more message)
17:15 <McSpiddles> #more
17:15 <armabot> McSpiddles: surprise, teamlist, test, unlock, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
17:15 <McSpiddles> #poke wrtlprnft 
17:15 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
17:15 <McSpiddles> #knock wrtlprnft 
17:15 <armabot> who's there?
17:15 <McSpiddles> :/
17:15 <Gnorty> wrtl - you there?
17:15 <wrtlprnft> Gnorty: yes
17:15 <McSpiddles> #hose Gnorty
17:15 <armabot> armabot hoses everyone down.
17:15 <wrtlprnft> lucky i saw you within all of McSpiddles' spam
17:16 <McSpiddles> that's not spam
17:16 <wrtlprnft> but?
17:16 <Gnorty> :)
17:16 <wrtlprnft> maps?
17:16 <wrtlprnft> mapS?
17:16 <McSpiddles> laps?
17:16 <wrtlprnft> ?mapS?
17:16 <Gnorty> wrtl - HUD info - I have a nice rubber guage which is immensely helpful, but I would like it nicer!
17:16 <McSpiddles> ?caps?
17:16 <wrtlprnft> mapSSpam
17:17 <McSpiddles> s
17:17 <McSpiddles> p
17:17 <McSpiddles> a
17:17 <McSpiddles> m
17:17 <wrtlprnft> Gnorty: nicer in what way?
17:17 <McSpiddles> now,that's spam
17:17 <wrtlprnft> 17:17 Ignoring ALL from McSpiddles
17:17 <Gnorty> well. It is intentionally huge, and if I have a caption on, the caption occupies the majority of the lower screen
17:17 <wrtlprnft> gotta find out later how to revert this once my conversation with Gnorty is finished
17:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah, captions on vertical gauges suck
17:18 <wrtlprnft> just disable it and make a label ;)
17:18 <spidey> :p
17:18 <Gnorty> I would like it in the guage itself (position='center' didnt work) and also if poss to have alpha at about .2 for the text. is currently that possible?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> 17:18 Ignoring ALL from spidey
17:19 <wrtlprnft> text with alpha?
17:19 <Gnorty> the guage isnt vertical, it is horizontal, but 95% screen width
17:19 <wrtlprnft> uh, currently not, although the engine could deal with it
17:19 <Gnorty> ^ yes
17:20 <wrtlprnft> the text appears strange for huge gauges, i know, but i know no way around it
17:20 <Gnorty> best of all would be if the caption made the guage completely transparent, so the text has no colour as such, but is  kinda cut into the guage
17:20 <wrtlprnft> uh, that's impossible
17:20 <Gnorty> Just wondered if it is possible is all, I can deal with having no caption, I know what that guage does!
17:21 <wrtlprnft> 17:20 -!- Irssi: Unignored spidey
17:21 <wrtlprnft> 17:20 -!- Irssi: Unignored McSpiddles
17:21 <wrtlprnft> just say <Caption location="off">
17:21 <Gnorty> k, so is the only options for caption position top or bottom?
17:21 <wrtlprnft> or completely omit the caption
17:21 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:21 <n54> hey you are spidey!
17:21 <Gnorty> ^ I just deleted the caption lines :)
17:22 <wrtlprnft> captions are more intended for normal gauges
17:22 <Gnorty> also, I am editing the default cockpit file. is that the intended method?
17:22 <wrtlprnft> definitely not
17:22 <Gnorty> thought not
17:22 <wrtlprnft> gauges are resources, like maps
17:22 <Gnorty> so how to tell arma which file to use?
17:23 <wrtlprnft> just instead of saying MAP_FILE you say COCKPIT_FILE
17:23 <Gnorty> ah, kk
17:23 <Gnorty> kewl
17:23 <wrtlprnft> don't forget to give me a screenshot when you're finished ;)
17:23 <Gnorty> :)
17:23 <wrtlprnft> and don't forget to upload it to the official resource repository!!!!
17:24 <wrtlprnft> (exept that it's not possible since Luke-Jr messed it up)
17:24 <Gnorty> I have what I wanted really, (well worth installing from CVS to get it) but will undoubtably tinker some more. I am toying with a speed guage that doubles as max speed
17:24 <wrtlprnft> doubles?
17:24 <wrtlprnft> heh, actually...
17:25 <wrtlprnft> that might be an idea, having a gauge that displays how fast you are in relation to the fastest guy
17:25 <wrtlprnft> might actually be of use, different than the normal speed gauge, which is useless
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17:27 <Gnorty> yes, so that top speed and player speed are shown on the same guage
17:27 <Gnorty> ^ I meant top speed above, not max
17:27 <Gnorty> if I set the max value  for the guage to be top speed instead of max, would that work? so the indication is kinda the percentage of the current fastset speed?
17:27 <Gnorty> ie would the guage range change dynamically during a round
17:27 <Gnorty> what I thought exactly
17:28 <Gnorty> also I was thinking a guage to indicate proximity to the nearest wall. would that be possible? I appreciate maybe not yet implemented
17:29 <wrtlprnft> it should work just fine
17:29 <wrtlprnft> it's not implemented, no
17:29 <wrtlprnft> the only trouble with this is that i don't know how to use sensors
17:29 <wrtlprnft> and i need those to get the nearest wall
17:29 <Gnorty> ah, ok
17:30 <wrtlprnft> gotta mess around with that at some point in time
17:31 <Gnorty> do I understand correctly that it is possible to add arbitrary images to guages? ie, I could put a bexel on a guage, and maybe graduations in the background?
17:31 <Gnorty> ^ bezel
17:32 <wrtlprnft> uh, not right now
17:32 <wrtlprnft> it will be possible once we figure out how to store and link to those images
17:32 <Gnorty> ah, OK. when I read about the layers on the wiki I thought that is what was possible, but could find no way to do it
17:32 <Gnorty> :)
17:32 <wrtlprnft> you might wanna update your checkout, i just fixed a bug with the "Fastest Player" stuff
17:33 <Gnorty> I am good for now. I have my enormous rubber guage, and nothing is really broken, so unless that changes I am good
17:34 <wrtlprnft> you'll need it if you want to make your speed gauge
17:34 <wrtlprnft> it got confused by dead players
17:34 <Gnorty> ah, ok. I hadn't noticed the top speed thing was broken
17:34 <wrtlprnft> if someone died with a big speed he would be considered the fastest player
17:34 <wrtlprnft> if noone else matched the speed he had
17:34 <Gnorty> is that not intended behaviour?
17:34 <wrtlprnft> no
17:35 <Gnorty> oh, I thought it was. so it is the fastest speed of a living player?
17:35 <wrtlprnft> the intended behaviour is to show the speed of the fastest person right at the moment
17:35 <Gnorty> ah. that I didnt know. I assumed max speed for the round
17:35 <wrtlprnft> that changed, i didn't find out how to implement that yet
17:36 <wrtlprnft> it will be a separate callback once i figured it out ;)
17:36 <Gnorty> ok. well, I have to go now, but will probably do some messing tomorrow
17:36 <Gnorty> thanks for info
17:37 <Gnorty> laters
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17:56 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Self_Destucto there'll probably be a match on saturday, 8PM CDT against AW... do you have time?
17:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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18:42 <Self_Destructo> asdf
18:42 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:42 <Self_Destructo> no notes
18:42 <wrtlprnft> ack
18:42 <Self_Destructo> ?
18:42 <wrtlprnft> #notes Self_Destucto
18:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 45 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> there'll probably be a match on saturday, 8PM CDT against AW... do you have time?
18:42 <Self_Destructo> I worked 10 and 1/2 hours today
18:42 <wrtlprnft> wow
18:42 <Self_Destructo> big day
18:43 <Self_Destructo> so I just came in, and I'm too tired to think about even programming a thing
18:43 <wrtlprnft> night?
18:43 <Self_Destructo> 6:45pm
18:43 <Self_Destructo> i can't be there on that turnament, sorry
18:44 <wrtlprnft> :(
18:44 <Self_Destructo> i know
18:44 <Self_Destructo> that's just too late
18:44 <Self_Destructo> I could do it at 4-6
18:44 <wrtlprnft> 8 PM?
18:44 <Self_Destructo> 8pm is too late
18:44 <Self_Destructo> i go home early
18:44 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i might send a mail back and say that 4PM is better
18:44 <Self_Destructo> on sat
18:44 <Self_Destructo> ok
18:44 <Self_Destructo> keep me updated then
18:45 <wrtlprnft> 5-7PM is bad for me
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20:40 <Lucifer_arma> armabot started working again?
20:41 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:41 <wrtlprnft> noone really noticed for a while
20:41 <wrtlprnft> #f
20:41 <armabot> Random Fortune:  Is that really YOU that is reading this?
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1000000/365
20:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1,000,000 / 365 = 2,739.72603
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2740/9
20:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2,740 / 9 = 304.444444
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g 304/24
20:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 304 / 24 = 12.6666667
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g 12.6666666667 / 60
20:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 12.6666666667 / 60 = 0.211111111
20:57 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cow-on_pole%2C_with_horns.jpeg
20:57 <wrtlprnft> what a useful image for wikipedia
20:58 <n54> heh weird origin too :)
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> how many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?
20:59 <n54> infinite?
21:00 <GodTodd> Two: One to hold the giraffe, and the other to fill the bathtub
21:00 <GodTodd> with brightly colored machine tools. 
21:00 <n54> hehe
21:00 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:01 <Self_Destructo> #notes
21:01 <armabot> Self_Destructo: I currently have notes waiting for $1, $junkee, $randomnick, chanserv, everyone, junk, Lucifer_arma,, McSpiddles|zZzZz, MemoServ, NickServ, philippeq, phillipeq, Self_Destucto, and [^w].
21:01 <Self_Destructo> heh
21:01 <Self_Destructo> it isn't giving me my notes for some reason
21:01 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:01 <wrtlprnft> spellig mistake
21:01 <wrtlprnft> #notes Se�f_Destucto
21:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
21:01 <wrtlprnft> #notes Self_Destucto
21:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 3 hours and 5 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> there'll probably be a match on saturday, 8PM CDT against AW... do you have time?
21:01 <wrtlprnft> #notes Self_Destructo
21:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> Self_Destucto
21:02 -!- Self_Destructo is now known as Self_Destucto
21:02 <Self_Destucto> asdf
21:02 -!- Self_Destucto is now known as Self_Destructo
21:02 <wrtlprnft> :P
21:02 <wrtlprnft> #notes junk
21:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, and 55 minutes ago: <philippeqc> junk
21:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:02 -!- You're now known as junk
21:02 <junk> asdf
21:02 <Self_Destructo> lol, you didn't tab?
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> Skunk in the barnyard, pe-uw!  Somebody ate it, guess who?  I 1 it.
21:02 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
21:03 <n54> ??
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> you say "I 2 it"
21:03 <n54> oh that kind
21:03 <n54> I 2 it
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> I 3 it
21:04 <n54> I 4 it
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> I 5 it
21:04 <n54> I 6 it
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> I 7 iy
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> (it
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> *it
21:04 <n54> haha
21:05  * n54 feels like a three year old :S
21:05  * Luke-Jr wonders why =p
21:05 <n54> :) well time for bed, cya all
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21:06 <wrtlprnft> i wonder what exactly toggles Luke-Jr's apperance
21:06 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Luke-Jr --nolimit
21:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [21:05:37] * Luke-Jr wonders why =p, [17:11:00] <Luke-Jr> ..., and [17:10:03] <Luke-Jr> #whoisshe McSpiddles
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> ARMABOT IS A SHE!
21:07 <wrtlprnft> if you say so...
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'll give you a link to a picture of her after my kids go to bed
21:07 <wrtlprnft> that explains why she is absent sometimes
21:07 <wrtlprnft> n54 is suspecting she's flirting in #supybot
21:09 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you flirting in #supybot sometimes?
21:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The answer is certainly yes.
21:09 <wrtlprnft> see?
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> #armabot do you think sexual promiscuity should be given the derogatory title 'slut'?
21:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: You're kidding, right?
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> #armabot do you think sexual promiscuity should be given the derogatory title 'slut'?
21:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: In your dreams.
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> good girl!
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> that also explains the pictures I have of her.  :)
21:11 <wrtlprnft> #armabot, do you flirt with Lucifer_arma occasionally?
21:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Come again?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> bah
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sexylosers.com/200.html   <--- graphic
21:12 <wrtlprnft> #armabot, do you flirt with Lucifer_arma every day?
21:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: What are you asking me for?
21:12 <wrtlprnft> #armabot, do you flirt with Lucifer_arma all the time?
21:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
21:12 <wrtlprnft> #armabot, do you flirt with Lucifer_arma continuously?
21:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Come again?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> bah
21:13 <wrtlprnft> she just doesn't say yes
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> #yes
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> #armabot yes?
21:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: In your dreams.
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> #armabot no?
21:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: It shall be.
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> #armabot thank you.
21:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The outlook is poor.
21:14 <wrtlprnft> #list alias
21:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot:, b, barf, canada, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fortune, g, gcalc, hello, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, knock, lock, log, log, lotto, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulette, roulettebot, roulettte, spam, (1 more message)
21:14 <wrtlprnft> #more
21:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: specialroulette, superdice, surprise, teamlist, test, unlock, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
21:14 <wrtlprnft> wow
21:14 <wrtlprnft> i say 50% of them are pointless
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #help mfaq
21:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (mfaq <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo set CYCLE_DELAY above 0 to avoid bikes jumping to the wrong side of trails when doubling back on trails".
21:15 <wrtlprnft> d'oh
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #help b
21:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (b <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "tell SuPeRTaRD llllllllllllllllooooooooooooooollllllllllllllll".
21:16 <wrtlprnft> O_o
21:16 <wrtlprnft> #help pun
21:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (pun <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo bauzhahaha!".
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21:40 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: you there?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: yes
21:44 <Self_Destructo> how long would it take you to write a php scrip that would just grab the top ten of of http://selfdestructo.net/armastats/ladder.txt?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, 5 minutes?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> what should it do with it?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> $file = file("http://selfdestructo.net/armastats/ladder.txt");
21:46 <wrtlprnft> for($i=0; $i<10; ++$i) {
21:46 <wrtlprnft>     list($score, $name) = explode(' ', $file[$i], 2);
21:46 <wrtlprnft>     //do something with the score and name
21:46 <wrtlprnft> }
21:47 <Self_Destructo> print it out is all I need
21:47 <wrtlprnft> print out as what? HTML table?
21:48 <Self_Destructo> hm
21:50 <Self_Destructo> nope
21:51 <Self_Destructo> plain old text
21:51 <wrtlprnft> bah
21:51 <wrtlprnft> boring
21:51 <Self_Destructo> heh, it's all that's needed here
21:51 <wrtlprnft> lust replace that list line by print($file[$i])
21:51 <Self_Destructo> it's going into a tight spot
21:52 <wrtlprnft> you're much better off with head -n 10 filename
21:52 <wrtlprnft> that's no reason not to use a table. ASCII tables suck
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> so why doesn't qt4 respect my theme?  qt3 does...
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> "Please use ink".  Really?  I thought they wanted blood...
21:57 <wrtlprnft> maybe not pencil?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting the impression more and more that the admissions staff won't be satisfied with anything less than a contract for my soul, written and signed in blood
22:01 <GodTodd> didn't you read the fine print on the admission application? ;)
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, this effort to establish residency is quite robust compared to the others.  This time I've got a lease that isn't quite a year old but has dates written on it that show it's an extension of an earlier lease, I'll have a copy of the earlier lease tomorrow (with luck).
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> I have a letter from my neighbor (which I wrote and he approved the text) which he will sign tomorrow, date, and notarize (notary's down the street).
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> And I have all the formation documents for my bank account at a local credit union.
22:02 <GodTodd> they require all that?
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm tempted to throw in my birth certificate and marriage license just so I can get pissed and say "Look, I've been a texan all my life, you asshat!"
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> that's what they've agreed to take.
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> rather, that's what their residency expert agreed to take.  I'm supposed to take it in to the regular admissions office, and *hope* they take it too.  Otherwise it's a fight.
22:03 <GodTodd> geez....cccd says TXDL or voter registration card would work
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> right, except that I just got my TXDL a couple of days ago.
22:04 <GodTodd> ahhhh
22:04 <GodTodd> i got mine a year ago
22:04 <GodTodd> also have the voter card
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> see, part of this problem is my doing, no doubt about that, ok?  I'm lax about changing over documentation, and to be honest, it's worth it to me to pay the fine and push my old license to the end.
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't register to vote because I would have barely missed the pres. election, and figured I had a year or two to worry about it.
22:05 <GodTodd> yeah....but that shouldn't mean they need a whole family's blood samples to test for "Texan"
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> and since I don't work for a texas company as an employee, don't own a home, what else is there?
22:05 <GodTodd> true
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> this problem has happened because of two reasons.  :)  Both my fault, when you get right down to it.  I'm lax about changing over documentation, and I don't lead a "normal, average" lifestyle
22:06 <GodTodd> normal == average?
22:06 <GodTodd> :D
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> but I figure if you're taking up residency somewhere, you're planning on staying there a long time, there's no hurry to get everything changed over right away.
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> and there are things that are more important than getting documentation switched over when the old documentation is still legally valid
22:07 <GodTodd> i'm hoping they ask what i've been doing for the past year while unemployed
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> but aha, the problem was significantly compounded when their admissions staff *lied* to me about what documentation I would need to show proof of residency.
22:07 <GodTodd> i'll tell them 'waiting to meet residency requirements so that you don't have to pull money out of my ass too'
22:07 <GodTodd> what'd they tell you you need?
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> Had they said from the beginning "you must have a tx id of some sort, get registered to vote, and show us your lease" I would have done that!
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> they said just a copy of my lease was enough.
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> this was in November of 2004
22:08 <GodTodd> ahhh, yeah...i only knew because i went down a year ago and asked
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> In November of 2005, they said a copy of my lease, a bill in my name, and a bank statement were enough
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> I would have all that in April of this year, because we opened our bank account in April 2005.
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> so when I called up, she tried to tell me that wasn't going to work either.  And I got pissed because the time scale on this runaround is huge, and in the meantime I'm paying double tuition!
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> she caved and the compromise is what I've just about got prepared.
22:09 <GodTodd> right
22:10 <GodTodd> do they work behind bulletproof glass there?
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> NO
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, the cashier does.
22:10 <GodTodd> sounds like they're going to regret that one of these days
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> Which means, of course, that I can do it RIght, with my bare hands...
22:10 <GodTodd> yeah...but it's not the cashier dicking you around
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not.  :)
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> the cashiers are very nice.
22:11 <GodTodd> of course....you feed them money
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> so are the financial aid people, and the counseling staff.
22:11 <GodTodd> keep giving me money and i'll be REALLY nice :D
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> it probably doesn't help that I transact most of my own business online, so there isn't really a paper trail.
22:11 <GodTodd> right
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> there's accountability, of course, but that's not the same as a paper trail.
22:11 <GodTodd> yep
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if they're just trying to punish me for moving to Washington for 4 years.
22:12 <GodTodd> lol
22:12 <GodTodd> don't put it past them
22:12 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:12 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I don't, man.  And the woman I talked to last time (who still works in that office, dammit) kept trying to treat me like I was some jobless loser living with his parents
22:13 <GodTodd> lol
22:13 <GodTodd> i'd love that....i'm a jobless loser who lives with his wife :D
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> because she asked me if I had a job, and I said "no".  :)
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> she even said "Well, if you can't get a job, how are you paying for school?"
22:15 <GodTodd> heh
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I've got "mooch" written all over me.
22:16 <GodTodd> i guess so if she assumed you "can't" get a job instead of you "don't have" a job
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> she was assuming something, that's for sure.  Her whole attitude changed from "I want to help" to "get this loser away from me"
22:17 <GodTodd> i haven't had a haircut since the week before my removal trial....and i'm usually lax on shaving....maybe they'll think i'm a 31 year old living in his parents' garage :D
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> but the residency lady, she was very nice and worked to help me.  The difference, of course, being that when I talked to the residency lady last week, I was sitting on 28 credit hours of straight A's
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> clearly not a loser.  :)
22:18 <GodTodd> right
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> I shave about once a week.  :)  And my hair's to the middle of my back...
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> and, oh yeah, here's the fun stuff.  Besides the Indiana Jones hat, and the t-shirts you've come to expect, I use a bandana instead of a button on my pants.
22:19 <GodTodd> mine's barely at my shoulders :/
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> So I've got this bandana hanging down in my crotch.  Totally cowboy, man.  I've even had kids say "Look mommy, a real cowboy!"
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> haha
22:19 <GodTodd> no lavender leather pants tho, right? ;)
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, sorry.  cotton pants, for the most part, not blue jeans
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have some cool purple jeans, though.  Those were awesome.
22:20 <GodTodd> yeah...i'm old too...i like the cotton pants
22:20 <GodTodd> ;)
22:21 <GodTodd> community colleges are pretty useless on fridays iirc
22:22 <GodTodd> might wait til monday to get the ball rolling
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> figure out what you're going to study yet?
22:23 <GodTodd> overall, yes...they have to tell me specificities and order ;)
22:24 <GodTodd> Electrical Engineering struck my fancy
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you said that.  :)  Sorry, filling out papers right now.
22:24 <GodTodd> np
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> so if I seem distracted, yadayada
22:24 <GodTodd> i'm the type that it could very well have changed :D
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> now the fun part.  I have to fill out two Affidavit of Loss papers for Washington state, to get titles for my truck and my trailer, so I can get rid of the damn things
22:25 <GodTodd> loss?
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> lost titles
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> I never received the title for my truck, and blew it off for no good reason I can think of.  The title for the trailer was lost during the move.
22:26 <GodTodd> ahhh
22:26 <GodTodd> i see
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> normally you just go down there, show them your ID, and they print you a new one....
22:26 <GodTodd> i sold my 93 voyager when i got down here....gave me 600$ for it
22:27 <GodTodd> sucker was close to needing a lot of nickel and dime type of work
22:27 <GodTodd> not to mention no place to put it
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> here's hoping I didn't throw away my washington license
22:28 <GodTodd> *hoping* :)
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, the voyager is an exception to the rule, but the rule is normally that if you work your way through the nickel and dime period, you wind up with a nearly new car at the end
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> and save a lot of money
22:28 <GodTodd> right
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> (I've got other papers that contain my WA license number, don't worry)
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> but the voyage, with it's disposable transmission, is an exception to that rule.
22:28 <GodTodd> yeah...the tranny had a year or two left maybe
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> because the nickel and dime period is usually kicked off by a bad transmission, and then ends with another bad transmission.  Heh.
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> Then it's "replace the tranny every 6 years or 60000 miles"
22:29 <GodTodd> yep
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'm serious!  Peple at jiffy lube would always ask how long they could expect their tranny's to last, and if they had a voyager, I'd say 60,000 miles.
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> People there that had older voyagers would back me up!  :)
22:30 <GodTodd> my voyager had 160K miles or so....
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> ah, so you were on the 4th tranny then :)
22:30 <GodTodd> lol
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> or you had a tranny that was in really bad shape
22:30 <GodTodd> nope...i never replaced one
22:30 <GodTodd> the latter
22:30 <GodTodd> was having some trouble shifting...reverse i believe
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> like clockwork.  A guy came in for an oil change, I tried to sell him the transmission service, he said he'd never had it done, I looked at the mileage and said "Well, it wouldn't save you anyway, your tranny's going to go out any day now."
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> He came in about a month later with his other car and told me I was right, his tranny went out two days later.  Haha.  POor guy, though.
22:31 <GodTodd> and it did?
22:31 <GodTodd> lol
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> on my recommendation, he went and bought a Chevy mini van instead.  :)  Saw him almost a year after that, and he ws loving it.  Maybe it was more than a year after that,
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> had to be even longer, jeez.  It was at Meineke, and that's at least a year after I stopped working at jiffy lube.
22:32 <GodTodd> well...i'll always remember my voyager fondly....got to chase my ex out of the street with it once :D
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I alwyas thought they needed battering rams anyway
22:33 <GodTodd> :)
22:33 <GodTodd> honestly thought i was going to get arrested that day
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> hurray, I still have my wa license
22:35 <GodTodd> cool :)
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> I think men should have a right to kill their wives.  You can't beat them, can't make them suffer, or anything like that.
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> But I think you should be able to kill them as humanely as possible.
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> and it's a natural right.  That's what I think.
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> and attempted murder is just a failure to fully exercise that right.  :)
22:37 <GodTodd> yeah...but most of the time wives are alright....and killing them is so permanent
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing.
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> A lot of women read "till death do us part" as a way to nag their husband incessantly and do other really nasty things that aren't legally abusive, but might as well be
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> drive their husbands crazy, I swearah
22:38 <GodTodd> true
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> So it would just close the deal.  "we part on your death"
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> Come on, you want a woman to not nag, just don't marry her.  :)
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> I say that, but my wife's actually good about not nagging.  She's awesome that way.  Naturally I'm not talking about her.
22:39 <GodTodd> that doesn't work sometimes...the not marrying her 
22:39 <GodTodd> the one i married nags far less than the one i didn't :D
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> no, but she can't take you to the cleaners for breaking up either :)
22:40 <GodTodd> true...she sends me money every month heh
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going outside, the information I need to fill out this paper is there (on my truck)
22:41 <GodTodd> have fun :)
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, got it.  Got everything that I need to have notarized ready.  :)
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> that leaves one thing undone that I'd hoped to do tonight, which was install my CD player into my car.  :(
22:58 <GodTodd> those easy to do?
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  Sure.  After you've done a few, anyway....
22:58 <GodTodd> i haven't done that :/
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> granted, I never did stereo installation, but I've done so much stereo installation for myself that I've got the hang of it.  :)
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'll probably need to run new wires to the speakers, it's got the factory radio in it right now, which usually uses 6 wires, sharing the ground on each side.
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> So the left speakers have two positive wires and one negative, but the aftermarket CD player requires separate grounds for each speaker.
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> I already checked to make sure the speakers themselves are all in good shape, no problems there.  :)
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> but running speaker wire is a real pain in the ass.  Mostly because I'm anal about running it out of sight and peel up the carpet to do it.
23:00 <GodTodd> ahhhh
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> The two front speakers are in the dash and at the bottom, easy to wire, but the rears are where you'd expect them to be in a small imitation sportscar
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> power leads are usually clearly marked.  You need two powers and one ground.  one power is memory, and if it's missing, you just run a wire straight to the battery.
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> all tht does is remember where it is on the CD, store presets, and tick the clock.
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> It's either yellow or blue, typically.  With red or orange being the main power lead that's switched on by the key.
23:02 <GodTodd> ok
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> the really annoying part is tearing the console apart to mount the thing.  It's especialy tricky when the car wasn't designed for a radio as deep as a CD player usually is.
23:02 <GodTodd> right
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> tape decks are shallower by several inches.  In my old Subaru, the CD player always stuck out by an inch because it was too deep, bumped up against AC duct, and I never got around to rearranging the ducts.
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> That's shit-ass work, ductwork in cars.
23:03 <GodTodd> i bet
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, I've done enough tearing up of consoles on the junkyard to know what I'm getting myself into, and I've tore up more than one 86 Celica :)
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, the cruise unit that's in this particular car is one my old manager at the junkyard gave to me, and I made it a birthday present to my brother-in-law
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> and then later I bought the car from them.  :)
23:05 <GodTodd> roundabout way to get it :)
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> I made sure to ask him how much for it right after the boss-man chewed his ass out over something petty :)
23:05  * Lucifer_arma can be a tad manipulative sometimes
23:06 <GodTodd> :D
23:44 <guru3> good morning
23:44 <guru3> toast bbl
23:49 <guru3>  /aw
23:49 <guru3> and i'm back
23:49 <guru3> yum for toast

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