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Log from 2006-05-12:
--- Day changed Fri May 12 2006
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00:38 <n54> cya all
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03:13 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: The IRC chat is functional on nixda.net ?
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> he's asleep
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> I can't speak for my team at the moment, but personally I have no problems if you guys respawn in our place.  :)
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03:25 <Nixda362> test
03:25 <Nixda434> test
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03:26 <Lucifer_arma> testing, 1, 2, 3, testing
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03:26 <Nixda612> :)
03:26 <Nixda612> Using http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi to login ;)
03:26  * Nixda612 joda's PC Firefox web browser
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03:27 <Nixda362> 2
03:27 <Nixda612> 3
03:27 <Nixda024> 4
03:27 <Nixda224> 5
03:28 <LuciEatsPeople> hello there, I'm a talking parrot
03:28 <LuciEatsPeople> this is kinda neat, joda
03:28 <joda_bot> :)
03:28 <LuciEatsPeople> LuciEatsPeople: does this highlight?
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> LuciEatsPeople: does this?
03:28 <joda_bot> Not my work, just decided to change the channel to free node to see if it works
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting nasty latency, though.  It still says "Transferring data from..."
03:29 <joda_bot> freenode is very generous with the number of connections from one IP
03:29 <joda_bot> not sure might be the bot protection kicked in
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> there are a lot of Nixda's on
03:30 <joda_bot> All mine ;)
03:30 <joda_bot> so I guess they all got disconnected or silenced
03:31 <joda_bot> ok, irc.freenode.org resolves to multiple servers ;)
03:31 <joda_bot> that's why it might have taken more sessions to kick in
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, I think your bot protection hypothesis is probably right
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, you're right about irc.freenode.org resolving to multiple servers, too, but it's probably bot protection that's kicked in
03:32 <joda_bot> hehe, or the cgi script got a time limit like php ;)
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  Are your Nixda's responding?
03:33 <joda_bot> *** Welcome to CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)
03:33 <joda_bot> *** Looking up irc.freenode.net
03:33 <joda_bot> *** Connecting to irc.freenode.net [] port 6666
03:33 <joda_bot> -irc.freenode.net- *** Looking up your hostname...
03:33 <joda_bot> -irc.freenode.net- *** Found your hostname, welcome back
03:33 <joda_bot> -irc.freenode.net- *** Checking ident
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> it could just be bandwidth-across-the-pond problems, I have those on a lot of european webservers
03:33 <joda_bot> -irc.freenode.net- *** No identd (auth) response
03:33 <joda_bot> *** Nickname Nixda434 is already in use, type /nick newnick to use another.
03:33 <joda_bot> *** Closing Link (Connection Timed Out)
03:33 <joda_bot> *** Disconnected from IRC (type /reconnect to connect again)
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03:33 <Nixda435> hm ok...
03:33 <Nixda435> let's see when this timeouts
03:34 <joda_bot> test
03:34 <joda_bot> ok, now it's pretty fast and live
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03:35 <zmaniac> really neat
03:35 <joda_bot> :)
03:35 <Nixda435> ok, up to now ... he's still here
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03:35 <Nixda435> 1
03:36 <joda_bot> about two minutes ...
03:36 <joda_bot> I wrote 2 but it did not get through
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.  I closed the tab for LuciEatsPeople because it wasn't responding to my other clicks anymore.  Can you boot him somehow from your end?
03:36 <joda_bot> perhaps it's 2:30 cgi script time
03:36 <joda_bot> good question
03:37 <Nixda434> 1
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03:38 <joda_bot> guess they just timeout
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03:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's what it looks like
03:38 <joda_bot> the perl scripts were still running
03:38 <joda_bot> without their apache session
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's also the cgi script doing the timing out, not freenode
03:39 <joda_bot> yeah, it's the apache killing the cgi
03:39 <joda_bot> the perl script that is called by the cgi was still running
03:39 <joda_bot> that's why they did not exist right away
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03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> 1
03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> 2
03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> 3
03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> 4
03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> 5
03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> 6
03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> seems to be working ok now.  I wonder if maybe it was just overloaded?  :)
03:40 <joda_bot> just wait 2min before u start to count ;)
03:40 <joda_bot> no
03:40 <joda_bot> guess not
03:41 <joda_bot> just checking http://cvs.cgiirc.org/wiki?p=FrequentlyAskedQuestions
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, lost it now
03:42 <joda_bot> that was a short time ?
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> very short
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> lost it right before your "guess not" line, not even a minute there
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> I just hit the close button, I'm gonna just let it go and leave the tab open and see what happens
03:45 <Nixda435> 2
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03:47 <Lucifer_arma> aha, there's a javscript error
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> can't copy it from the javascript console, though.  :(
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> Error: xmlhttp is not defined
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> Source File: http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi?interface=mozilla&nick=LuciEatsPeople&R=vxevcl2ye&item=fwindowlist&style=mirc
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> Line: 467
03:49 <joda_bot> I'll try to upgrade the scripts
03:49 <joda_bot> sec
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04:14 <Nixda681> ok
04:14 <Nixda681> let's see
04:14 <Nixda681> this stype is not really good ;)
04:15 <Nixda681> test
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04:16 <Nixda362> test 2
04:17 <joda_bot> Ok, this another response test
04:17 <Nixda362> I'm here
04:17 <Nixda681> I'm here too
04:17 <joda_bot> looks like it works now
04:27 <joda_bot> anohter test
04:27 <joda_bot> works
04:27 <joda_bot> fine
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04:39 <joda_bot> test
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06:04 <Nixda891> rwar
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06:21 <changedname> armabot: test
06:21 <armabot> blah
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07:28 <joda_web> test message
07:28 <joda_web> argh still white ;)
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07:45 <wrtlprnft> joda_nixda: doesn't work for me... probably doesn't support opera :(
07:45 <joda_nixda> ah, what does it say ?
07:45 <joda_nixda> probably just have to hack the user agent detection
07:46 <joda_nixda> wrtlprnft: you need java script though
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07:55 <wrtlprnft> I have js on, of course. It connects me, but disconnects me before i can say anything
07:55 <joda_web> hmmmmm
07:56 <joda_bot> What's the user agent it sends ?
07:56 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  ?
07:56 <wrtlprnft> g2g, back in a few minutes from school
07:57 <wrtlprnft> [HTTP_USER_AGENT] => Opera/9.00 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)
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10:32 <wrtl_web> test
10:32 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i can send messages now, it seems
10:32 <wrtlprnft> but i don't see the replies ;)
10:34 <wrtl_web> either it still doesn't like opera, or it doesn't like my hackish php script that allows me to see this site at all (it's blocked from school)
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10:38 <wrtl_links2> wow, it works with links2?
10:38 <wrtlprnft> test
10:38 <wrtl_web> test
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11:07 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: yes
11:08 <philippeqc> hi
11:14 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: I guess the problem with opera is the detection
11:14 <joda_bo1> it uses something like window.opera on the login screen to determine the browser
11:14 <joda_bo1> Can you try to manually pass it the browser type and see if it works then
11:14 <joda_bo1> ?
11:15  * joda_bo1 wonders why it's not the same for javascript and non javascript browsers ;)
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11:31 <joda_opera> hi
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11:34 <mkzelda> hi
11:35 <philippeqc> hi
11:35  * joda_opera test
11:35  * mkzelda test
11:36 <joda_bo1> mkzelda: http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi
11:36 <joda_bo1> ;)
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11:41 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: I'll try when i'm at home
11:41 <wrtlprnft> opera can cloak itself :)
11:43 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: whatever you did both versions worked for me ... "opera7" support with channel frame, and "opera" (guess it's pre 7) with a single window for server messages and chat
11:44 <wrtlprnft> opera 7? that's stone age ;)
11:44 <wrtlprnft> current the current version is 8.0 and 9 is a beta version
11:46 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi?interface=opera&submit=Login&Nickname=opera_test
11:46 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi?interface=opera7&submit=Login&Nickname=opera_test
11:46 <wrtlprnft> weird typing... very laggy for me right now, sorry
11:46 <wrtlprnft> I can't really test it from here
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that site is blocked as web site hosting and if I use some detour i can't be sure if it's just the script i use for that
11:52 <mkz3lda> works fine for me
11:53 <joda_bot> :)
11:53 <joda_bot> I'll talk to tank to add this app to armagetronad.net ;)
11:54 <joda_bot> guru3: how about that for armagetronad.net ? http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi
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11:55 <Nixda211> well
11:55 <Nixda211> the issue is
11:55 <Nixda211> that i don't have cgi enabled on my server
11:55 <Nixda211> ;)
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11:55 <joda_bot> :)
11:55 <guru3> but it is cool
11:56 <joda_bot> guru3: me neither ... just used .htaccess to enable it
11:57 <guru3> no i mean it's well disabled
11:57 <guru3> everything in apache2.conf that has to do with it
11:57 <guru3> is commented out
11:58 <wrtlprnft> why not just link to it?
11:58 <guru3> good question
11:59 <joda_opera> guru3: I'm happy to provide a back link too...
11:59 <guru3> you can't really avoid a backlink you know ;)
11:59 <joda_opera> This also might help to direct german people to nixda and english to armagetronad.net (for forums?)
12:00 <guru3> yeah
12:00 <joda_opera> ... and nixda will get a new forum ... sometime in june (I hope)
12:00 <guru3> http://armagetronad.net/links.php
12:00 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong witn that one?
12:00 <guru3> you're there under server sites at least :
12:00 <guru3> :0
12:00 <joda_opera> nothing wrong with it ;)
12:01 <joda_opera> Nixda only has die-hard forum users right now ... because it's too messed up
12:01 <joda_opera> but I'm slowy rebuilding it with a few other admins, though it's my iniative otherwise it would have gone
12:01 <guru3> it is neat
12:02 <wrtlprnft> well, i have to admit that I don't read or post on it because there's forums.armagetronad.net and there's more activity ;)
12:02 <joda_opera> yes, and that won't change I hope
12:03 <joda_opera> As armagetronad.net aims for devs, pros and english ppl - I try to get noobs and germans for nixda ;)
12:03 <joda_opera> which can later be upgraded or migrated to armagetronad ;)
12:03 <wrtlprnft> I also have to admit that being in canada for two thirds of a year now I feel more comfortable writing english than germen ;)
12:03 <joda_opera> How did you end up in canada anyway ?
12:03 <wrtlprnft> international student
12:04 <joda_opera> of ?
12:04 <wrtlprnft> which means that I'll be back home in two months
12:04 <joda_opera> ah ok, so it's just a student exchange semester / year ?
12:04 <joda_opera> lol, been using the web part without noticing
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12:05 <guru3> lol
12:06 <wrtlprnft> Austauyes it is
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12:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:06 <wrtlprnft> *yes it is
12:06 <wrtlprnft> that connection sucks
12:06 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: ?
12:07 <wrtlprnft> g2g school
12:08 <philippeqc> see ya
12:08 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i'm on a ssh connection from school to mz computer at home
12:17 <philippeqc> Wow, its the second time this week I manage to fix a C++ (really big) problem all by myself, without needing external help!
12:17 <philippeqc> I must be doing something right
12:51 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: can't wait to see what you've got ;)
12:51 <wrtlprnft> but take your time, i don't want to push you in any way
12:52 <philippeqc> well frankly, I've moved my development out of the code. ie: it goes faster to debug it, and as I work on the tip of my understanding of C++, that really helps. But I actually manage quite ok
12:53 <philippeqc> Now I'm still doing the Sets operations (Union, intersection, Difference) for the Col.
12:53 <wrtlprnft> so you made your own project? Well, would be too much work for me
12:53 <philippeqc> Col being a Base that hold a deque
12:53 <philippeqc> s/project/file
12:54 <wrtlprnft> ah ok. Whatever you like :)
12:54 <philippeqc> I'm still playing with the extention of tValue::Base
12:54 <philippeqc> once that is fixed, the rest will be much easier
12:55 <philippeqc> the position of a zone will be a cValue, so basic motion will be quite easy to fix
12:55 <wrtlprnft> still have to do that formula parser...
12:55 <wrtlprnft> kinda hard since I've got no idea where to start
12:56 <wrtlprnft> i guess i have to split the forumula up into all its values and operators and then somehow order them to respect brackets and operator order
12:56 <philippeqc> it will come to you
12:56  * wrtlprnft hoes it will do so soon ;)
12:56 <wrtlprnft> *hopes
12:57 <philippeqc> yeah, but you still have some time. I'm not going as fast as I'd like ;)
12:58 <wrtlprnft> SF cvs is still down...
12:58 <wrtlprnft> and it is the end of the week, at least in germany
12:58 <philippeqc> ouch
12:58 <wrtlprnft> ouch?
12:58 <philippeqc> I havent been in need of it for a while, so I didnt notice
12:58 <philippeqc> ouch = pain expression in french
12:58 <wrtlprnft> oh. heh, it is down and annoying
12:59 <philippeqc> yes
12:59 <wrtlprnft> because if i commit my stuff once it's back up i don't know exactly what i did anymore
12:59 <wrtlprnft> so i can't easily write a good log entry
13:01 <philippeqc> lol
13:01 <philippeqc> better start reading your code now
13:01 <wrtlprnft> try doxygen ;)
13:01 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/doxy
13:02 <wrtlprnft> should be reasonably up- to- date
13:02 <wrtlprnft> looks like the clock on my server is going 3s/day slower than the clock on my laptop...
13:02 <wrtlprnft> well, -300ms lag
13:03 <philippeqc> it is now in my bookmarks
13:03 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:03 <philippeqc> i should REALLY start to write some comments
13:03 <philippeqc> for my part
13:03 <wrtlprnft> you can just type make doxy if you want tyo have it locally ;)
13:04 <wrtlprnft> it gets generated in src/doc/doxygen/html;
13:05 <wrtlprnft> (ignore extra chars like ; and y, they get generated by tghis keyboardand that slow ssh connection)
13:05 <wrtlprnft> can't see my errors easily
13:05 <philippeqc> ok
13:06 <philippeqc> grrr, while does my child refuse to see the members of its parent
13:06 <wrtlprnft> happy family?
13:07 <philippeqc> lol
13:07 <philippeqc> I'll make them
13:08 <wrtlprnft> if you use template derivation it looks like you need to type Base<templateparams>::member
13:08 <wrtlprnft> no idea why, usually you should just be able to write the name of the member
13:08  * philippeqc slaps his forehead
13:09 <wrtlprnft> g2g again, have fun raising your family ;)
13:09 <philippeqc> lol I'll do
13:10 <philippeqc> thanks again
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14:10 <z-man-home> hooray, SF cvs is back!
14:10 <z-man-home> and it now allows rsync mirroring.
14:13 <n54> yay :)
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> do I have any messages?
14:45 <Lucifer_arma> looks like I don't.  :)
14:54 <z-man-home> Looks like SF didn't manage to mangle our repository
15:09 <Lucifer_arma> that's good news
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=31070&group_id=1
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> looks like subversion is available for all projects now
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16:06 <wrtlprnft> guess i have to make a new checkout now?
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16:14 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 1 $ cvs -z3 -d:ext:wrtlprnft@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad co -P armagetronad
16:14 <wrtlprnft> cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
16:14 <wrtlprnft> cvs [checkout aborted]: no repository
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16:21 <Nixda828> test
16:21 <Self_Destructo> wrtl_web: does that mean the repository doesn't exist at all anymore?
16:21 <Nixda828> now it works :)
16:22 <wrtlprnft> uh, i guess it still does, probably i'm doing something wrong
16:22 <Nixda828> http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=110997
16:22 <Self_Destructo> umm, what time is the game?
16:22 <Nixda828> I'm doing exactly what that size says
16:22 <wrtlprnft> and that doesn't work
16:22 <wrtlprnft> it's tomorrow, 1PM -4PM CDT
16:22 <Nixda828> not exactly specified yet
16:22 <Self_Destructo> can't, sorry
16:22 <Nixda828> :(
16:23 <Nixda828> joda_bot: It's working fine now with opera, thanks :)
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's moved, the path is different
16:23 <wrtlprnft> what is it then?
16:23 <wrtlprnft> i thought it was just the hostname, and their site says si
16:23 <wrtlprnft> *so
16:23 <wrtlprnft> Nixda828: test
16:24 <Nixda828> ah, nice, it gets hilighted
16:24 <wrtlprnft> wait a sec, why is wrtl_web still there?
16:25 <wrtlprnft> i closed that browser window about 3 hours ago
16:25 <wrtlprnft> and the computer i used is shut down now
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16:32 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/docs/E04/#top
16:33 <wrtlprnft> which is exactly what i did
16:33 <wrtlprnft> -d:ext:wrtlprnft@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad
16:35 <Gnorty> how do I download from CVS? I tried  cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad login but it asks for password?
16:36 <wrtlprnft> at least it's not just me
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah it is, you guys are on crack
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, for anonymous just hit enter for password
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> cvs -d :ext:davidfancella@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad co armagetronad
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I just used and got a checkout with it, no problem
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's obviously not anonymous cvs :)
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> Password: There is no password for anonymous CVS access (just hit the enter key when prompted for one). You must generate a SSH key for developer authentication.
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> -- Fromt the Fine Manual :)
16:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: can you try again and see if it still works?
16:38 <Gnorty> OK, so I did that and it LOOKS like nothing happened.
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> ?  you mean right now?  I just did it, trying to answer your question
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> there it goes again
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> you did generate an ssh key, right?
16:39 <wrtlprnft> very weird since it doesn't work for me
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if it'll still take passwords or now
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> *not
16:39 <wrtlprnft> uh, I have one for ages
16:39 <Gnorty> I am back to the $ prompt. nothing about downloads/connections/ anything
16:39 <wrtlprnft> *had
16:40 <wrtlprnft> trying to upload another one...
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> ping armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> dave@ghostwheel:~/Projects/armagetronad$ ping armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> PING armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net ( 56(84) bytes of data.
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from 1.cvs.sourceforge.net ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=64.8 ms
16:40 <wrtlprnft> works just fine
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> now copy your whole command line to here
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> you too, Gnory
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> *Gnorty
16:41  * wrtlprnft already did
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> no, you only gave the part that says -d*blah*
16:42 <wrtlprnft> scroll up
16:42 <wrtlprnft> #last --with co
16:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:41:16] <Lucifer_arma> now copy your whole command line to here
16:42 <wrtlprnft> #last --with -P
16:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:14:47] <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 1 $ cvs -z3 -d:ext:wrtlprnft@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad co -P armagetronad
16:42 <Gnorty> I just did, but cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad login
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> space between -d and :ext:
16:43 <wrtlprnft> uh, no, there isn't one
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> put one?
16:43 <wrtlprnft> same error, of course
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> Gnorty: right, you've logged in.  It's a two-step process.  Now try the checkout command.
16:43 <wrtlprnft> same command, that space should be optional
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad co armagetronad <-- works after login
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> so the space is optional.  I"ve had it bitch at me in the past for not putting the space there, though.
16:44 <wrtlprnft> well, thanks :) but it didn' help
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> I get a password prompt when I try your command line.
16:45 <Gnorty> $ checkout
16:45 <Gnorty> bash: checkout: command not found
16:45 <Gnorty>  - like I said, back to command prompt after the password
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> Gnorty: I just gave you the command line to run after the login you ran.
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with pserver
16:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [16:44:20] <Lucifer_arma> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad co armagetronad <-- works after login
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: does anonymous cvs work for you?
16:46 <wrtlprnft> testing...
16:46 <Gnorty> downloading :)
16:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, same error
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> what's the error?
16:47 <wrtlprnft> posted above...
16:47 <wrtlprnft> cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
16:47 <wrtlprnft> cvs [checkout aborted]: no repository
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> [04:14 pm] <wrtlprnft> cvs [checkout aborted]: no repository
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I found it, haha.  :)  Ok....
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> that means the path is wrong, but you are connecting
16:48 <wrtlprnft> uh, wait
16:48  * wrtlprnft smacks his head
16:48 <wrtlprnft> I executed that command within the build dir of my old checkout
16:49 <wrtlprnft> that is armagetronad/build2... looks like it got confused by that
16:50 <wrtlprnft> thanks for the help :)
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> anytime :)
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16:50 <ghableska> Hi.
16:50 <Lucifer_arma> is anonymous cvs still on a 5 hour delay?
16:51 <wrtlprnft> no idea
16:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm asking because I can probably fix that a bit when I get the cronjob going on my server to backup the repo.
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16:51 <wrtlprnft> well, how often are you gonna run that cronjob?
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> if we wanted to use it for testers, I'd run it at whatever interval y'all wanted it to run at.  rsync doesn't use hardly any bandwidth when you do it right, which sourceforge is forcing me to do.  :)
16:52 <wrtlprnft> can you make it "on command"?
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> so I would run it even at 2-minute intervals.  I think 1 minute might be too often, I'd wind up with concurrent and conflicting tasks.
16:53 <wrtlprnft> like, put some CGI script on your web server that causes an update
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> don't know.  Can I?  ;)
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> I could do that
16:53 <wrtlprnft> then you can run it daily and tell the testers that they have to use that URL first
16:53 <wrtlprnft> and of course make a time check so you can only call it every 10 minutes or se
16:53 <wrtlprnft> so
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> it should be more often just so testers can test immediately, but not so often that rsync will wind up running 5-6 times and clobbering each other's work.  :)
16:54 <wrtlprnft> should be possible... make the script setuid to some cvs user account that has access to your key and local repository copy
16:55 <wrtlprnft> then make it every 2 minutes... but i wouldn't say more often
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> that part's easy.  It would be particularly nice if I could just run a pserver here and have it fetch from rsync whenever someone asks for it.
16:55 <wrtlprnft> that would be an idea as well
16:55 <wrtlprnft> maybe some inetd thingy?
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> but I think people would be happy with a "click this button" solution too
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> can inetd do that?  I know inetd is required to get the pserver thing going
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16:56 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it doesn't matter if sourceforge's anonymous servers are no longer behind
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, not another jesus lover
16:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you'll have to register to get /msg commands and stuff.  It's not terribly difficult, though.
16:57 <GodTodd> like registering the nick, you mean?
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  There's a message when you join the network that tells you how to do it, or at least the web page you need to go to to see it.
16:57 <wrtlprnft> just talk through armabot?
16:57 <GodTodd> yep did it
16:58 <GodTodd> and if you're referring to me as a jesus lover....not just no but hell no ;)
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> haha
16:58 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: does armabot accept chats from unregistered people?
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it takes whatever freenode takes.  So a previously unknown user to armabot can commune with her in private
16:59  * Lucifer_arma has decided armabot is a she
16:59 <wrtlprnft> you can send some message to nickserv so you get messages from users not registered to it
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he did it already.
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> er
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute
17:00  * wrtlprnft did it too
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> different thing.  YOu can?  I dont' know that I want armabot to do that, though.  :)
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17:01 <n54> I wouldn't :)
17:01 <n54> (want that)
17:01 <wrtlprnft> if you think so...
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> gotta pee gotta pee gotta pee pee pee
17:04 <n54> hehe
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm.......  even if the anonymous cvs mirrors are on a delay, is the rsync mirror the same cvsroot that we use, or is it the same one the anonymous servers use?
17:05 <n54> hey! you didn't wash your hands! :o
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> did too!
17:06 <n54> hehe :D
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> I washed them with piss.
17:06 <n54> yuckkk
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> heh
17:06 <n54> :)
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> c'mon man, it's the Viking Way, isn't it?
17:06 <n54> no lol
17:07 <n54> pissing in wounds == good thing, pissing on hands == bad thing <-- very simple really :)
17:07 <GodTodd> what if the wound is on your hand?
17:07 <n54> hmm not critical, but hey if you really want to... :)
17:09  * n54 picks up the conversation and puts it back on the tracks: CVS
17:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh
17:13 <Lucifer_arma> so how do we find out if the rsync daemon is on project cvs services or anonymous?
17:13 <wrtlprnft> grr now i have to find out which files I changed
17:13 <wrtlprnft> who needs an rsync daemon?
17:14 <wrtlprnft> rsync is like scp, all you need is ssh access
17:14 <Lucifer_arma> sourceforge's rsync daemon
17:14 <wrtlprnft> does it have one�
17:14 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:14 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=47423#47423  <-- I'm working on this post, actually
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> grr.  now I have the same choice I had two nights ago.  Do I take a dump and then wash dishes, or wash dishes and then take a dump?
17:16 <n54> same answer; always take the dump first
17:16 <wrtlprnft> other way this time for a change?
17:16  * n54 wonders what Lucifer would do without the help of irc :)
17:16 <Lucifer_arma> the advantage is the urgency caused by having to take a dump, I'll get the dishes done faster
17:16 <Lucifer_arma> haha
17:16 <n54> :)
17:16 <guru3> mix it up
17:16 <Lucifer_arma> ok, washing dishes.
17:16 <guru3> take a dump WHILE washing dishes!
17:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  my underwear's not big enough for that.
17:17 <guru3> :o
17:17 <wrtlprnft> oh SHIT
17:17 <n54> wash dishes in the nude?
17:17 <GodTodd> i do dishes while taking a dump...i love the dishwasher ;)
17:17 <wrtlprnft> I just deleted all my work, it seems
17:18 <guru3> oops?
17:18 <guru3> i hate it when that happens :/
17:18 <n54> same here GodTodd
17:18 <joda_bot> wrtl_web: does it work ?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> noooooooooooooooo
17:18 <wrtlprnft> now I'm mad
17:18 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: now it works, yes
17:19 <wrtlprnft> but wrtl_web is a zombie
17:19 <n54> instead of just in54ne?
17:19 <wrtlprnft> wait a sec
17:19 <wrtlprnft> i rsynced my home directory to my server yesterday
17:19  * wrtlprnft smiles
17:20 <wrtlprnft> it was just runnining another rsync, but it looks like it didn't reach my mess yet
17:21 <joda_bot> does anyone know a way to contact whatup ?
17:21 <wrtlprnft> uh... catch him on fortress?
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17:21 <joda_bot> Because he asked to play for the 8th, and as CT objects us playing any further spoon match (until it's done) ... we'll just do a friendship match vs. MBC
17:22 <joda_bot> heh right he's on ;)
17:22 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:22  * wrtlprnft praises armaspy
17:25 <wrtlprnft> phew. my files are back and saved :)
17:31 <Lucifer_arma> didn't make it
17:31 <guru3> good night ya'll
17:31 <wrtlprnft> night guru3 
17:31 <n54> night guru3
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17:43 <Gnorty> joda- I think he lives on CVS
17:44 <Gnorty> can someone explain how to compile CVS? I downloaded, but usually ./configure, but seems not to be there
17:45 <Gnorty> and /doc/html is not present
17:48 <wrtlprnft> use ./bootstrap.sh
17:48 <wrtlprnft> and then ./configure
17:49 <Gnorty> :)
17:50 <wrtlprnft> took me a while to figure out as well
17:50 <Gnorty> now to install GLU :(
17:50 <wrtlprnft> GLU?
17:50 <Gnorty> You need GLU to compile Armagetron; it SHOULD have come with OpenGL.
17:50 <wrtlprnft> well then
17:51 <n54> just don't sniff it!
17:51 <wrtlprnft> install opengl-dev
17:51 <Gnorty> also  SDL_mixer library not found. You will not hear music
17:51 <wrtlprnft> and install sdl-dev
17:51 <Gnorty> in the process :)
17:51 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:51 <wrtlprnft> and install ftgl, before you ask ;)
17:52 <Gnorty> ftgl?
17:52 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:52 <Gnorty> whassat?
17:53 <wrtlprnft> it should complain if you have a somewhat recent version of arma and don't have ftgl installed
17:53 <wrtlprnft> font library
17:53 <Gnorty> ah, kk
17:53 <wrtlprnft> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/henryj/code/index.html#FTGL
17:53 <wrtlprnft> if it doesn't complain chances are that anonymous CVS is messed up
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17:55 <Lucifer_arma> dishes = done
17:55 <n54> dump = ?
17:55 <Gnorty> seeing if it is in the distro atm
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> and I was right, I did 90% of my dishes while the dump was teasing my rectum
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> dump = done, too.  Interupted dish-washing
17:55 <n54> don't go brokeback mountain on us! just go to the loo :D
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> what distro, Gnorty?
17:55 <Gnorty> fedora
17:56  * Lucifer_arma was happy to see ftgl with Kubuntu :)
17:57 <wrtlprnft> note: do backups, kids. they do come handy sometimes :)
17:57 <Gnorty> you like ubuntu luci? I couldn't get on with it
17:57 <n54> kftgl you mean? ;P
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> Rsync access to the developer CVS content is provided, allowing projects and other users direct access to the raw CVS repository data, much like the deprecated nightly tarball service. The use of rsync means that there will no longer be a delay between what is in the repository and the data that a user can download for backups or major code refactoring.
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like ubuntu, I'm using kubuntu.  :)
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> I know, the only difference is KDE vs GNOME, but man does GNOME suck or what?
17:58 <wrtlprnft> as i said already, my only try with (k)ubuntu doesn't exactly make me wanna try again
17:58 <n54> I used to use gnome when I had redhat running in ancient times I tried it again something like two years ago and since then I don't want to look
17:59 <n54> and I didn't like ubuntu or kubuntu either
17:59 <wrtlprnft> the setup hang for full 4 minutes as it tried to DHCP with both network cards, not interruptable, setting up the network without DHCP was a pain, and it didn't have a GUI at all for proxy settings
17:59 <Gnorty> I thought too much hassle to install servers on ubuntu. I guess HUman beigs are not meant to go for that stuff
17:59 <wrtlprnft> i manually had to google to get apt-get to use the proxy
18:00 <Gnorty> but IIRC it was where I first found arma, so not all bad
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, how long ago was all this?  My own switch is fairly recent, and I didn't have any of the problems you guys had.
18:01 <wrtlprnft> that has half a year ago
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> can't forget, this stuff improves quickly, so even a 6-month-old impression is old.
18:01 <Gnorty> mine was maybe a year back?
18:01 <n54> probably at least a year ago since I tried k/ubuntu (both)
18:01 <Gnorty> hoary or breezy, whichever was first
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm.......
18:01 <n54> hoary here iirc
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me I needed to post that the wiki's going down soon for a little bit.
18:01 <wrtlprnft> there was absolutely no useful documentation on configuring apt-get, i ended up using google on some debian site
18:02 <Gnorty> luci - you have apache/php/mysql working?
18:02 <wrtlprnft> do you use kubuntu or gentoo now for the server?
18:02 <Gnorty> I guess you do, but I had real problems with it
18:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ok, committed the updated font and support for different aspect ratios in the cockpit
18:03 <wrtlprnft> it just squishes everything to fit, but keeps the aspect ratio of the font
18:04 <wrtlprnft> I'll probably change it again at some time so it squishes all gauges but keeps the aspect ratio of the individual gauges
18:04  * wrtlprnft has to learn some proper grammar
18:04 <n54> and then the same for the bikes/arena?
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> the server is still on Mandriva 10.1
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I'll test it in a little bit.
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> um, any reason we didn't ask tank to boot wrtl_web when he was here?
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> #message guru3 Can you kick wrtl_web when you get a chance?  It's a zombie...
18:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
18:06 <Lucifer_arma> Gnorty: with Mandriva packages, getting apache/php/mysql working was just a matter of installing them.  I had more trouble with kubuntu doing the same thing, now I use XAMPP for that sort of work.
18:07 <Lucifer_arma> I don't use XAMPP on a server, of course, only for development, which is what I do on my Kubuntu box anyway.
18:07  * Lucifer_arma whistles
18:07 <wrtlprnft> why is that guy still on anyways?
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet if joda_bot restarts his apache server, the zombie will be killed
18:08 <wrtlprnft> probably my antiproxy script is still connected to joda's server
18:08 <n54> he's dining on the lurkers wrtlprnft :)
18:08  * wrtlprnft restarts his server
18:09 <Gnorty> ^ what I said. back in the day, when I used redhat/debian it was easy - worked out of the box. somehow, easy linux distros made it hard! It is not so bad with fedora
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18:09 <wrtlprnft> there we go
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> ah, the difference for me with Kubuntu wasn't that they made it hard, it was that they didn't use the insecure default settings Mandriva used.  :)
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> I had the same problems in a newer version of Mandriva, it's basically a problem not yet solved by the underlying projects, or the distro hasn't completely assimilated changes of the underlying projects
18:10 <n54> any of you tried lighttpd?
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> I anticipate having the same problems with apache when I get the gentoo server up and running, and I'll just have to deal with it.  That's a production server, no fooling around.
18:10 <Gnorty> I tried mandriva for about an hour. forget what I didnt like about it, I think I was trying to install on a tricky laptop that mandrake was a breeze on, and it didnt work so got binned
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> n54: I haven't.  I want to contribute my share to apache's web dominance.  :)
18:11 <n54> hehe all right :)
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> mandriva/mandrake has always been hit and miss on laptops.  :)  Kubuntu went on this one pretty easily.
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> Mandriva didn't go on so easily, though.
18:12 <Gnorty> my laptop has 1024x600 screen, and needs a manual edit of xorg.conf normally.
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's funky.  Hey, test wrtl's changes to the cockpit coordinate system.  :)
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> this one runs 1280x800, and Mandriva didn't like that.  Needed to hack xorg.conf...
18:12 <Gnorty> I dont mind working from the console, but bashing away on the console trying to get things running at all is just painful
18:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: does it work?
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> A newer Mandriva handled it, but I switched to Kubuntu which also handled it nicely, and had a package in their repo for the nvidia driver to boot.
18:13 <Gnorty> Luci - I am looking to do just that :)
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: don't know, I'm kinda fucking off.  Let me grab a smoke and then I'll test it.
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ok
18:13 <wrtlprnft> i thought you just tested
18:13 <wrtlprnft> it
18:13  * wrtlprnft got something wrong, wrtlprnft guesses
18:15 <Gnorty> note to self: installing libraries as a normal user is not best
18:15 <n54> what are you running Gnorty?
18:15 <Gnorty> ??
18:15 <Gnorty> distro?
18:15 <n54> os-wise
18:15 <n54> yes
18:15 <Gnorty> fedora
18:15 <n54> oh ok
18:16  * n54 was just curious
18:16 <Gnorty> of all the "human friendly" OS's it is about the most like the old school. the old school ones are either too hardcore, too commercial or too political these days
18:17 <Gnorty> dunno about SuSe, havent looked at that for ages
18:19 <n54> me neither, and as to political stuff I have three options I rotate between; let it amuse me, ignore it, or agree with whatever detail fits me :)
18:21 <Gnorty> all the proprietory format crap is kinda hard to ignore.
18:22 <n54> yes I agree with Stallman etc. on most of that stuff
18:22 <n54> or did you mean it the other way around?
18:23 <Gnorty> I mean I want to play .mp3, .qt, .wmv .ra
18:23 <Gnorty> I dont really care for the politics of why not
18:23 <wrtlprnft> a distro that can't play mp3 is useless. DOT.
18:23 <Gnorty> I kind of understand the legalities
18:23 <n54> ok by me I view those thigns as personal decisions
18:23 <n54> things*
18:24 <Gnorty> but dislike all the "we wont include it because there is no source"
18:24 <n54> even though I wouldn't use it myself
18:24 <Gnorty> wrtl - exactly
18:24 <wrtlprnft> but i don't want DRM for linux either
18:24 <n54> well that's for the developers to decide really imo, some do incorporate it, some don't
18:25 <Gnorty> playing is not so hard, but trying to rip from CDs? HA!!
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with davidfancella
18:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [16:37:36] <Lucifer_arma> cvs -d :ext:davidfancella@armagetronad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/armagetronad co armagetronad
18:25 <Gnorty> ogg is better IMO, but my portable wont polay it, neither will my car, so I need MP3
18:25 <wrtlprnft> well, i don't think there will ever be opensource DRM playing software maintained by the people who sell those things ;)
18:26 <Gnorty> n54 agreed re developers, but what of distros that include the package, but not the plugins?
18:27 <Gnorty> tthat pisses me off
18:27 <Gnorty> grrrrrrrrrrrr
18:27 <Gnorty> ^ see?
18:27 <n54> well that's usually because of conflict of copyright yes?
18:27 <Gnorty> yes
18:27 <n54> so it's not like it's the distros fault
18:28  * n54 can't believe he's defending linux ;)
18:28 <Gnorty> some distros will risk it, others wont
18:29 <wrtlprnft> you could just make the CD without mp3 support, but put a big button on the desktop that downloads the necessary packages from the internet and installs them
18:29 <n54> lame is ok imo
18:29 <n54> I even use lame on windows
18:32 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: hehe fell into my Player 1- server trap?
18:32 <wrtlprnft> and i got a spammer as well :o
18:33 <Gnorty> wrtl - :) what I think. why force users to switch to unsupported repos? they should either just say "liinux is just for geeks" and leave it be, or else make it OK for Joe Public. This half way shit is useless
18:33 <wrtlprnft> i thought the only point was that they don't wanna put mp3 support on GPL CDs?
18:34 <Gnorty> no, there is also legal issues
18:34 <n54> that's the deal with _all_ proprietary formats; legal issues, and it's not much the devs can do about it really
18:34 <Gnorty> debian is pretty tight on GPL, fair enough, that is debians policy, but redhat was always less fussy
18:35 <n54> at least not right there and then
18:36 <Gnorty> surely if winamp can do it for free, it must be possible to distribute on linux
18:37 <wrtlprnft> when will that mp3 patent expire?
18:38 <n54> heh for free to the end user doesn't mean it's really free
18:38 <n54> many years into the future
18:39 <Gnorty> no, I appreciate that, but how does winamp pay? not some guy with a panchant for programming and a pocket full of cash  for licenses
18:39 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it works, but shouldn't they be short and fat, not tall and skinny?
18:39 <n54> I don't know the details of german patent expirations, but I would still think that it's many years away
18:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: can you give me a screenshot
18:39 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:39 <wrtlprnft> I didn't really test it because i have some normal screen resolution :)
18:39 <n54> winamp = nullsoft = aol (might have changed recently)
18:40 <wrtlprnft> IIRC the mp3 patent isn't valid in germany, but i might be wrong
18:40 <n54> and note that playback of mp3 doesn't neccessitate holding a license (hence lame) and note that playback winamp has always been free
18:41 <n54> hmm I doubt that wrtlprnft but perhaps you're right
18:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=47435#47435  <--- screenshot of aspect ratio thingee
18:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm. that map is funny...
18:43 <wrtlprnft> maybe i mixed up the height and width parameters
18:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: committed a fix, try again
18:49 <n54> nice story: http://www.365tomorrows.com/05/03/mrs-lansing-and-the-school-of-humans/
18:52 <wrtlprnft> interesting
18:52 <wrtlprnft> but i wonder how to create web pages without a program
18:53 <n54> yeah some of the stuff on that site is really good (and some of it not so good of course)
18:53 <n54> notepad or similar :)
18:53 <wrtlprnft> like, would you open the harddrive and use a tiny bagnet?
18:53 <n54> hehe
18:53 <wrtlprnft> *magnet
19:00 <Gnorty> that story was written by a fuckwit
19:01 <n54> lol why do say that?
19:01 <n54> do you*
19:01 <Gnorty> because clearly who wrote it didnt have a clue.
19:01 <Lucifer_arma> that looks right
19:01 <Gnorty> they just thought it was some cool hacker shit to write
19:02 <n54> hmm I you must be reading it differently than me
19:02 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it should be exactly a square now
19:02 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: the cockpit looks right now, no disappearing gauges, the map looks square.  :)
19:02 <n54> I think*
19:02 <Gnorty> I would punch mrs lancing in the tit if she slapped me in the head
19:02 <wrtlprnft> the HUD map will now have exactly the proportions of the big map
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> right, and then fuck her up the ass!
19:03 <Gnorty> and say "get a fucking clue biznatch"
19:03 <wrtlprnft> that means if you make the height of your map in the xml file bigger than the width, a square map will still be square
19:03 <Gnorty> "this is the fucking welcome page for the webserver I wrote."
19:03 <wrtlprnft> but a map that is higher than wide will have more room
19:05 <Gnorty> duno if I would fuck her up the ass though. she sounds like she migh tbe a bit leathery
19:06 <mkzelda> lol i just got kicked from CVS
19:06 <mkzelda> everyone saying 'holes are gay' so i said 'girls are for fags' and i got kicked
19:06 <wrtlprnft> for what?
19:06 <wrtlprnft> wow
19:06 <wrtlprnft> that server gets worse every day
19:07 <Gnorty> all these people saying holes are gay
19:07 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: had fun being Player 1 once again?
19:07 <mkzelda> full boat of people all believed that was the best course of action
19:07 <mkzelda> yea
19:07 <Gnorty> but where is the fortress server with no holes?
19:07 <mkzelda> but now my client keeps reverting to player 1 on its own
19:07 <mkzelda> heh
19:08 <mkzelda> since i joined crazy lines
19:08 <Gnorty> crazy lines sucks. does it fuck your client also?
19:08 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: the player 1 sticks?!
19:08 <mkzelda> it forces my player name to player1 after i leave and i have a lot of problems w/ settings not saving when i exit the client
19:09 <wrtlprnft> uh, that shouldn't happen
19:09 <mkzelda> my trail color changed from orange to red too
19:09 <wrtlprnft> what happens in single player mode?
19:09 <wrtlprnft> yes, that's intended
19:09 <mkzelda> well now its forced red, i must go change it
19:10 <wrtlprnft> but it should stay orange if you change it
19:10 <wrtlprnft> unless you join that server again
19:10 <mkzelda> yea, i just havent changed it all yet
19:10 <mkzelda> cause i usually join fortres so it doesnt matter
19:10 <wrtlprnft> i'm not as evil as i could be ;) that server could reset all your instant chat keys if it wanted
19:11 <mkzelda> hah
19:11 <mkzelda> the devil on my shoulder really wants to abuse that
19:11 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:12 <mkzelda> but the lazy bastard on my other shoulder doesnt wanna do anything
19:12 <wrtlprnft> if you want to abuse it, just tell everyone how great that server is and that they really have to try it out
19:12 <mkzelda> that could be the content of the instachats
19:12 <wrtlprnft> riight
19:13 <wrtlprnft> i could set all instant chat keys to "joun crazy lines server, it's sooo much fun!"
19:13 <wrtlprnft> *join
19:13 <wrtlprnft> then I'd get free advertising everywhere
19:14 <Gnorty> 	<!-- Hi there. Glad you found this. It hopefully won't be -->
19:14 <Gnorty> 	<!-- possible for long, so don't eve bother trying :D     -->
19:14 <Gnorty>  will work until all clients upgrade
19:14 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:14 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: u did see CT ed's response ?
19:14 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: CT vs. SS is on monday 15.05. btw
19:14 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yes, guess it'll be a friendship game :)
19:14 <joda_bot> just saw that on the ct forums
19:14 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: fine for me
19:14 <Gnorty> wrtl - can it change keybindings?
19:15 <wrtlprnft> Gnorty: no, don't think so
19:15 <joda_bot> ok gn8
19:15 <wrtlprnft> night
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19:15 <mkzelda> my clients rarely exit cleanly when i exit a server
19:15 <mkzelda> so it loses any settings
19:16 <wrtlprnft> mine too... some bug i guess
19:16 <mkzelda> yea i figured it was common cause i run several machines and it happens on all
19:16 <wrtlprnft> Gnorty: looks like it can change keybindings after all
19:16 <mkzelda> its been happening since around march or so
19:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah, me too. not my fault i think. i didn't have lots of things in CVS HEAD back then
19:18 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i could change all keys to one single instant chat key... but that would be too evil
19:19 <n54> perhaps one should just leave it be, great way for people to make themselves disliked?
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> mine crashes when I leave a server
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> pretty annoying :(
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19:25 <n54> cya all
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19:31 <spidey> sd?
19:32 <spidey> what time wrtl?
19:35 <Self_Destructo> it's 7:35pm here
19:35 <Self_Destructo> spidey: ^^
19:35 <spidey> no
19:35 <spidey> i ment the spoon
19:35 <spidey> which i realized i missed
19:35 <spidey> >.>
19:36 <spidey> hey Self_Destructo,how many IPM's would it take to destroy this
19:36 <spidey> Rocket Launcher	285	Light Laser	414
19:36 <spidey> Gauss Cannon	30	Ion Cannon	23
19:36 <spidey> Plasma Turret	8	Small Shield Dome	1
19:36 <spidey> Large Shield Dome	1
19:37 <Self_Destructo> 1 specifically for the large shield dome normally...
19:38 <Self_Destructo> 1 per ~80 light lasers - just from my own experience
19:38 <spidey> k
19:38 <spidey> if i can get that defense down by half
19:38 <spidey> i can beat the rest easily
19:38 <spidey> without losing ships
19:39 <Self_Destructo> man, what's your fleet?
19:39 <Self_Destructo> I'm building a fllet on every planet
19:39 <spidey> well,i'll lose lightfighters,but they don't count :p
19:39 <Self_Destructo> good sized ones too
19:39 <spidey> Light Fighter 	50  	max  	
19:39 <spidey> Heavy Fighter 	20 	max 	
19:39 <spidey> Cruiser 	9 	max 	
19:39 <spidey> Battleship 	5 	max 
19:39 <Self_Destructo> no kidding
19:39 <spidey> Light Fighter 	50  	max  	
19:39 <spidey> Heavy Fighter 	20 	max 	
19:39 <spidey> Cruiser 	9 	max 	
19:39 <spidey> Battleship 	5 	max 
19:39 <spidey> first planert
19:40 <spidey> Light Fighter 	249  	max  	
19:40 <spidey> Heavy Fighter 	20 	max 	
19:40 <spidey> Cruiser 	10 	max
19:40 <spidey> second planet
19:40 <spidey> and some building
19:40 <Self_Destructo> 249 light fighters :O
19:40 <spidey> :)
19:40 <Self_Destructo> a guy has to fllet save something that big
19:40 <spidey> got 1 light fighter
19:41 <spidey> and 5 heavy building on the second planet
19:41 <spidey> and 3 bombers on the first
19:41 <Self_Destructo> see
19:41 <Self_Destructo> i got...
19:41 <Self_Destructo> how many planets you got?
19:41 <spidey> 5
19:41 <Self_Destructo> i got 7 now..
19:41 <spidey> cool
19:41 <Self_Destructo> fixing to get rid of a small one if I get a bif one here in a bit
19:42 <Self_Destructo> that will smack my points for sure
19:42 <spidey> my sister planet
19:42 <spidey> is almost outta feilds
19:42 <spidey>  Diameter	10368 km (96  / 107  fields)
19:42 <Self_Destructo> uhmm... I got... fleetwise...
19:42 <spidey> the rest have 177 fields
19:42 <Self_Destructo> this is total...
19:43 <spidey> k
19:43 <Self_Destructo> 14 large cargos
19:43 <Self_Destructo> probably about 120 espianage probes
19:43 <spidey> llol
19:43 <spidey> i had to send 30 to get a full report off that one guy
19:44 <Self_Destructo> 20 light fighters
19:44 <Self_Destructo> 27 heavy
19:44 <Self_Destructo> 10 battleships...
19:44 <Self_Destructo> 12? cruisers
19:45 <Self_Destructo> 3 bombers
19:45 <Self_Destructo> i lost about 50 lightfighters and 12 cruisers in a big attack
19:45 <spidey> ouch
19:45 <spidey> total i have
19:45 <Self_Destructo> and I got a little aggreavated becuase it still ended in a draw
19:46 <Self_Destructo> Oh, well, I'll hit him again pretty quick
19:46 <spidey> 300 light fighters
19:46 <spidey> 45 havy
19:46 <spidey> 19 cruisers
19:46 <spidey> 5 battleships
19:46 <spidey> and 1 bomber,3 building
19:47 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 1PM till 4PM CDT on saturday... exact time isn't known yet
19:47 <spidey> ohhh
19:47 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:47 <spidey> it hasn't happened yet?
19:47 <wrtlprnft> no
19:47 <spidey> phew
19:47 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:47 <spidey> what was with the armabot message?
19:47 <spidey> sent 1 day 11 hours ago
19:47 <wrtlprnft> oh, that was old
19:47 <spidey> ah
19:48 <wrtlprnft> we decided differently
19:48 <spidey> k
19:48 <wrtlprnft> i couldn't play at that time and i assumed almost noone else could, so i dropped it
19:48 <spidey> i'ma have to stop playing soldat and more fortress 
19:48 <spidey> i kinda suck now :/
19:48 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i was in school, so i couldn't really get people to play
19:48 <wrtlprnft> nah
19:48 <wrtlprnft> let's go and practice?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> just normal CVS fortress i mean
19:49 <spidey> sure,lemme close p2p and soldat server
19:49 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:49 <spidey> oh yea,gotta reinstall arma
19:49 <spidey> :/
19:49 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:49 <spidey> i got a legit cd
19:50 <spidey> so i formatted with it
19:50 <spidey> i got 40gigs of crap on C:\
19:50 <spidey> D:\ is the fresh install :p
19:50 <spidey> anyways
19:50 <spidey> i'll see ya there
19:50 <wrtlprnft> yep, i'm waiting
19:51 <wrtlprnft> :D
20:00  * Self_Destructo is writing alot of regex
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> mmm dinner
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> I love the feeling that I don't have anything to study right now
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> school starts again on May 30, though.
20:44 <Self_Destructo> Lucifer_arma: cancer is genetically modified cells...
20:45 <Self_Destructo> makes me wonder about genetically modified food...
20:45 <Self_Destructo> if it isn't just cancer, and not really food :/
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21:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: is there any way we can get captchas for the wiki?
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> don't know.  If there is, I'd be happy to put them in
21:41 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.seds.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Captcha
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> if me and tank do the replication thing, then integrating phpbb and the wiki seems like a good idea
21:41 <wrtlprnft> that one looks promising
21:42 <wrtlprnft> like, get them to share the same uder db?
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> remind me after I've got the new gentoo server up
21:42 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I linked to it in the "how we'll get rid of sourceforge" thread
21:43 <wrtlprnft> might be, i didn't read all of it
21:43 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_338.png
21:43 <wrtlprnft> look at the time :)
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> 10 minutes?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> d'oh i just see that i totally messed up the i
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> #g 6000/60
21:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 6,000 / 60 = 100
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> #g 100/60
21:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 100 / 60 = 1.66666667
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> 1.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 hours
21:44 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> yes
21:45 <wrtlprnft> but hit it exactly :)
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm a go play some more
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> got some skills to recover :)
21:46 <wrtlprnft> lol
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22:02 <wrtlprnft> wait until Self_Destructo is there...
22:02 <Vanhayes> ok
22:02 <wrtlprnft> he can help you, not me, he is a windows guy
22:02 <Vanhayes> thx
22:02 <wrtlprnft> probably won't be here today or tomorrow...
22:02 <Vanhayes> ah I see
22:03 <Vanhayes> no wheres else I could get it?
22:03 <wrtlprnft> sd or joda or z-man, all of them will be able to help you
22:03 <wrtlprnft> well, you have to figure out how to compile it, that's the trouble
22:03 <Vanhayes> ok
22:04 <wrtlprnft> and i don't know exactly how to do that on windows, but you need code::blocks and some CVS client
22:04  * wrtlprnft is back to fortress now
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> waa, that was very satisfying
22:42 <wrtlprnft> hehe
22:42 <wrtlprnft> I hope you won't get much better
22:43 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Self_Destructo uh, Vanhayes wants to compile CVS HEAD and he'll probably need some help... maybe you can try to get him started? ;)
22:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:44 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System
22:44 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: that's a good starting point i think
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm just getting started.  I feel like such a noob right now.
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you should actually download the game and give it a whirl.  We can use some fresh blood.  :)
22:51 <wrtlprnft> come on, you're beating the hell out of people
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> I remember going 1 v 5 and winning, man.
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm getting nervous when 3 come at me
22:52 <wrtlprnft> heh. same with me, but times changed
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  People are actually better, too.  seems like, anyway.
22:52 <wrtlprnft> really depends on the time of the day, too
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> still, now that people have decided holes are wussy, seems like it should be even easier to beat them.
22:53 <wrtlprnft> uh, i didn't agree to that
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> neither did I.  :)
22:53 <wrtlprnft> people are using them, and the anti- hole front has shrunk
22:53 <wrtlprnft> shrunk= shrunken? shrinked?
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> has it?  mkzelda got booted earlier today for using holes, or something like that
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> shrunk is correct
22:53 <wrtlprnft> ok
22:53 <wrtlprnft> thanks
22:54 <wrtlprnft> i dunno what happened to mkzelda, but I don't feel it that much anymore
22:54 <wrtlprnft> but one day was really bad and they booted people for defending
22:55 <wrtlprnft> the other team was rushing through and winning all the time, but some idiot was telling everyone not to def
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's crazy shit
22:56 <wrtlprnft> oh, btw, on double-grinding: you should really watch Zop a few rounds. I think he's the only person that can give his team an advantage by double- grinding
22:56 <wrtlprnft> it's amazing how reliably he kills entire wings :)
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> I stumbled over his wall quite a few times earlier...
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> some doublegrinders I love when I'm defending, because they'll blow a hole in the walls back there that I can go through and actually setup faster
22:57 <wrtlprnft> hehe
22:57 <wrtlprnft> i know those holes
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I need to sumo some.  not right this minute, but I definitely need to spend some time over there
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> it seems to improve all of my skills, not just tight defense
22:57 <wrtlprnft> I#ll go to bed soon
22:58 <wrtlprnft> sumo is great practice :)
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've only got about 3 weeks before the next semester starts
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's calc II in the 11-week semester, so I'll probably not be able to play much then, either
22:58 <wrtlprnft> only? that's a whopping big vacation
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> ?  the winter break's longer....
22:59 <wrtlprnft> well, from my point of view it is :)
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> I also have to settle my residence status before then, so I only have to pay $400 for the class
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, it's $800
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> and I probably can't take it if it's $800, which will screw me for calc IV in a year
23:00 <wrtlprnft> good luck then i guess
23:01 <wrtlprnft> now, can someone tell me why those f*** gnome packages refuse to disappear from my system?
23:01 <wrtlprnft> they just wanna be re- emerged on update and the dependency tree shows nothing useful
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> which packages are they?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> uh, lemme see, but it's lots
23:05 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/55498
23:05 <wrtlprnft> basically all the ones with gnome in it i wanna get rid of
23:06 <wrtlprnft> and i have -gnome in my USE flags, of course
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, I don't know
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> but they're not very big packages
23:09 <wrtlprnft> evolution-data-server looks big
23:09 <wrtlprnft> (it's 0KB since the required files are already cached)
23:12 <wrtlprnft> let's see if i can get rid of all the clutter around it (with packages i want) by manually updating those
23:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3400
23:14 <wrtlprnft> that's trac
23:14 <wrtlprnft> http://master1.armagetronad.net:8000/armagetronad
23:17 <wrtlprnft> good night, won't wait for kdelibs to emerge
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