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[2020-11-08 18:00:02] <Lucifer_arma> Well, we're at unstoppable climate disaster already.  totalitarian systems are on the rise, and lizard people would certainly explain Trump's offspring.
[2020-11-08 18:00:50] <Lucifer_arma> I'm pretty sure covid is part of the unstoppable climate disaster, actually, seeing as how the roots of the climate disaster are buried in our species' perceived right to do whatever the hell we want with the land/sea/atmosphere
[2020-11-08 18:01:32] <Lucifer_arma> covid has been around for awhile, and there are historical "cases", meaning cases where people died of something unknown and the autopsies match current cases, and they go back a decade or so.
[2020-11-08 18:02:06] <Lucifer_arma> The indication, then, is that we got covid as a pandemic because of our continuing encroachment on wild lands and there are potentially numerous diseases waiting back there in their safe reservoirs for us to find
[2020-11-08 18:03:54] <Lucifer_arma> we've got to step it up in the US, but also in China, and probably Africa as well (an argument can be made that shows covid just following the model of ebola, as far as sprouting from a wild disease reservoir and into human populations)
[2020-11-08 18:04:45] <Lucifer_arma> well, 70m people voted for the climate change denier in chief this time, and China's moving ahead full steam ahead (making the logical argument of "Why should we be so concerned?  Are only white people allowed to trash the planet?"), and Africa is as disorganized as ever
[2020-11-08 18:05:40] <Lucifer_arma> India is emerging as an economic powerhouse and also currently suffering through a totalitarian movement
[2020-11-08 18:07:02] <Lucifer_arma> if we're rhyming with the 20th century, then Trump fits the mold of the kaiser, not the fuhrer, and we managed to get out without a world war this time (and shut him down fairly early), but the same imperialist and nationalist forces that brought Trump to power are still working
[2020-11-08 18:07:59] <Lucifer_arma> of course, it helps that we also don't have a bunch of super-secret cross-alliances that would lead to a world war without anybody seeing it, and some weirdo in serbia just needed to get shot
[2020-11-08 18:08:27] <Lucifer_arma> no, our version of the next world war is most likely a pandemic, either a mutated covid or a new one that's still lurking in the shadows
[2020-11-08 18:09:39] <Lucifer_arma> 'twould be helpful if South America could get their shit together and form a federalist nation.  There's a lot of untapped power down there, just like there is in Africa.
[2020-11-08 18:10:45] <Lucifer_arma> alas, one of the side effects of the libyan civil war is that the biggest african leader who was pushing for a federalist republic in africa is now dead.
[2020-11-08 18:11:54] <Lucifer_arma> so, what's act 2 looking like?
[2020-11-08 18:12:14] <Lucifer_arma> since I predicted Russia was going to start a major war already, and they didn't, I don't know that I'm in a good place to predict global events
[2020-11-08 18:13:25] <Lucifer_arma> here in America, Biden promised to be a one-term president.  It's clear he's trying to set Kamala up for a strong 2024 run, but you know she's going to have to sit it on the senate for the next two years, especially if (and it's a big IF) the dems manage to get the two seats in Georgia that are going to run-off in January
[2020-11-08 18:13:41] <Lucifer_arma> those two seats will bring the senate to 50-50, and Kamala will be needed to ensure a democrat majority there
[2020-11-08 18:13:59] <Lucifer_arma> so instead of being vice president, she'll be stuck back in the senate doing her old job with a new title
[2020-11-08 18:14:48] <Lucifer_arma> if Trump's still around, he might run again in 2024, but I think it's more likely we'll see Ivanka running, not Don Jr.
[2020-11-08 18:15:26] <Lucifer_arma> and she's in a good position, actually.  *frown*
[2020-11-08 18:16:17] <Lucifer_arma> then the midterms, and if I'm doing my math well, these midterms should favor democrats taking the senate, but considering their losses in an election where the democrat won the presidency...
[2020-11-08 18:16:54] <Lucifer_arma> let's just say the white nationalism from Trump is here to stay for the foreseeable future.  This means the US is not going to be a reliable ally.
[2020-11-08 18:18:31] <Lucifer_arma> but between georgia, arizona, and texas, I think our fears of a US civil war can be relieved.  Two of the powerful red counties flipped this year, even though Trump won the state.  Things are changing here, that's for sure.
[2020-11-08 18:18:46] <Lucifer_arma> and generally speaking, where Texas goes, the country follows.
[2020-11-08 18:20:11] <Lucifer_arma> Putin's going to be out of power soon, but he's going to maintain strong influence.  But I foresee greater cooperation between us and Russia.  We're no longer dependent on Russia for manned spaceflight, and the future of the species is in space
[2020-11-08 18:20:55] <Lucifer_arma> I think space policy is going to be the biggest deciding factor for peace, as in, if we all get together (like we have, for the most part) and pursue space as a new economic frontier, we'll have peace
[2020-11-08 18:21:25] <Lucifer_arma> we'll be able to mitigate climate change damages
[2020-11-08 18:22:04] <Lucifer_arma> but if we keep half-assing space policy like we have been for the last 40 years, I don't know that we'll have peace, but I cannot predict what form the not-peace will take
[2020-11-08 18:23:32] <Lucifer_arma> and I honestly haven't been paying attention to europe.  We've had our hands full dealing with Trump.  :/  One of the things Biden gives us, hopefully, is the breathing room to look around again ;)
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[2020-11-08 21:56:03] <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm not convinced Biden couldn't have won without the pandemic.  There were record numbers of voters, and he still won by only just over 4 million, where Hillary's win was about 3 million
[2020-11-08 21:56:50] <Lucifer_arma> I think the social unrest helped him a lot, in terms of getting people to the polls, but the breakdown isn't much different than it was in 2016, or 2008/2012.  A few demographics shifted a few points this way and that way, but the huge turnout definitely overwhelms those shifts
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