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[2020-11-20 03:45:39] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2020-11-20 03:45:39] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
[2020-11-20 03:45:44] -!- beckett.freenode.net set mode #armagetron +cnrt
[2020-11-20 03:45:44] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
[2020-11-20 03:58:11] <Lucifer_arma> here's a lesson I have to keep re-learning: the raw speed of the wire or wireless protocol does not determine actual throughput
[2020-11-20 03:58:41] <Lucifer_arma> I just plugged in a usb wifi device with two antennas through an unpowered usb hub into a usb 2.0 port, and my network speed increased
[2020-11-20 04:00:39] <Lucifer_arma> it's a lesson I theoretically learned back when I first got broadband and I was able to directly compare a 300mhz K6 to a 450mhz K6.  Obviously the network speed didn't change, but my computer's ability to process the network increased, and it was apparent
[2020-11-20 04:01:45] <Lucifer_arma> now I'll go find a torrent to download to remind me it's not that big of a difference :)
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[2020-11-20 07:48:43] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: ya, I could have told you Trump won indiana before the projection, IN just about always votes incumbant.
[2020-11-20 16:54:38] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: yeah, your argument against fraud is one of the two that apply to almost any conspiracy narrative and should take down 95% of them instantly:
[2020-11-20 16:54:39] <Z-Man> 1. If they're operating in the shadows so efficently, why haven't they achieved even more?
[2020-11-20 16:54:39] <Z-Man> 2. what, you expect these bumbling clowns to run a secret organization?
[2020-11-20 17:00:09] <Z-Man> In reality, manipulating elections is the last thing you want to do if you want to seize power. It's simply not possible to do so as long as the rest of a democratic state is working well. Instead, what Putin has done, what Orban and Erdogan and the guy from Poland are currently doing, you suffocate the free press (ho capitalism! sometimes buy just buying it up.) and eliminate the independence of the justice system. Both go hand in hand,
[2020-11-20 17:00:09] <Z-Man> the suppressed press won't report on your dangerous changes to the justice system and the obedient judges won't stop your crusade against the press.
[2020-11-20 17:01:33] <Z-Man> After a while, you can then eliminate the political opposition. Have them outlawed or arrested. If that doesn't work and you're Putin, have them murdered.
[2020-11-20 17:02:57] <Z-Man> And then you don't need to forge the elections  any more; with the resulting massive support from the people, you can then change the constitution to, oh, for example, allow you to stay in power longer than the old constitution would have allowed.
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Trump tried all of that.
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Suffocate critical press? "Fake news media!"
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Eliminate political opposition? "Lock her/him/them up!"
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Change the constitution? "And maybe, we'll ask for a third [term in office]."
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Bend the justice system? Install the most conservative judges he can find. (Ok, I count that one as exploiting his office fair and square)
[2020-11-20 19:49:10] <Lucifer_arma> actually, the judge issue runs way deeper than that
[2020-11-20 19:49:31] <Lucifer_arma> they've installed enough conservative judges at the federal level that it's safe to say that the judiciary is somewhat compromised
[2020-11-20 19:50:04] <Lucifer_arma> exactly by how much remains to be seen, but this whole "look at the supreme court" thing is an illusionist's act.  The real work has been happening just under the supreme court level
[2020-11-20 19:50:54] <Lucifer_arma> the press attacks have been successful in the "hearts and minds" category, for conservatives, because the extreme right-wing press has risen to become a mainstream press
[2020-11-20 19:51:04] <Lucifer_arma> but the liberal/mostly objective media is still free
[2020-11-20 19:51:49] <Lucifer_arma> I think the attacks on social media for censorship are going to fail, ultimately, but I think the purpose of them right now is to deter social media from stepping up like liberals have been asking and to drive the extreme right-wing media into further power
[2020-11-20 19:52:41] <Lucifer_arma> but Biden has a fine line to walk.  If he tries to jail Trump (and we all know Trump is guilty and easily jailable for numerous offenses), then he actually contributes to the process by locking up his opponent
[2020-11-20 19:53:55] <Lucifer_arma> also, as I recall, the soviets maintained power by having free elections where they choose the candidates
[2020-11-20 19:54:23] <Lucifer_arma> it's basically how we have states (such as Texas) where the ruling party stays in power because the only way to change out specific people is to beat them in the primary
[2020-11-20 19:54:47] <Lucifer_arma> there's definitely a path to subverting the american government, and we're definitely on it
[2020-11-20 19:55:06] <Lucifer_arma> but unlike with climate change, we're still nowhere near the point of no return
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