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[2020-11-01 12:54:48] <MrBougo> didn't mean to freak you out haha
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[2020-11-03 18:30:40] <Lucifer_arma> Here we are, the election is here
[2020-11-03 18:30:44] <Lucifer_arma> Trump is winning right now, heh
[2020-11-03 18:32:26] <Lucifer_arma> 86k to 38k.  It's obviously very early :)
[2020-11-03 18:34:50] <Lucifer_arma> Trump's winning NH, 16-10.  (Yes, there are 26 votes reported so far from there)
[2020-11-03 18:37:33] <Lucifer_arma> First polls close in 20-someodd minutes, so we're still a ways out from meaningful results :/
[2020-11-03 19:12:31] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: they're already calling indiana for Trump.  I guess y'all aren't a swing state no mo' ?
[2020-11-03 20:26:05] <Lucifer_arma> with 36% of the votes counted, Biden's winning Texas :)
[2020-11-03 20:29:48] <Lucifer_arma> 42% of votes have been counted, and they still haven't added Travis County to the total (that's where I live, it's a deep blue county).
[2020-11-03 20:29:54] <Lucifer_arma> Biden's still winning Texas.  :)
[2020-11-03 20:30:16] <Lucifer_arma> No El Paso county either.
[2020-11-03 20:37:13] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 130734+122521
[2020-11-03 20:37:14] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 253255
[2020-11-03 20:37:25] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 253255/0.03
[2020-11-03 20:37:25] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 8441833.33333
[2020-11-03 20:37:31] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 253255/0.97
[2020-11-03 20:37:32] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 261087.628866
[2020-11-03 20:37:55] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 261087-253255
[2020-11-03 20:37:56] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 7832
[2020-11-03 20:38:10] <Lucifer_arma> Wilco has gone blue.  There aren't enough votes left to give it to Trump.
[2020-11-03 20:41:30] <Lucifer_arma> Looks like we're relying on Travis County, El Paso County, and the counties in the valley for Biden to win Texas.  (The Rio Grande Valley, the border with Mexico)
[2020-11-03 20:45:01] <Lucifer_arma> Don't listen to the news.  Right now, the election is Biden's.
[2020-11-03 20:46:52] <Lucifer_arma> they're just crying because he's not going to get Florida.  The story in Texas is really competitive.  And while Florida is must-win for Trump, it's optional for Biden.
[2020-11-03 20:47:56] <Lucifer_arma> Don't get your hopes up, though.  Texas will break towards Trump soon, when the vast majority of the rural votes come rolling in.
[2020-11-03 20:54:01] <Lucifer_arma> If Biden wins NC, he needs Michigan, and then either Ohio or Pennsylvania.
[2020-11-03 20:59:27] <Lucifer_arma> Without MIchigan, he needs NC, Ohio, and Pennsylvania
[2020-11-03 21:00:33] <Lucifer_arma> better yet, he needs to win 3 out of 4 of NC, Georgia, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.  He's leading in two of them right now (NC and OH)
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[2020-11-03 22:13:45] <Lucifer_arma> ok, we're back to things not looking good for biden
[2020-11-03 22:47:24] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 2300000/.75
[2020-11-03 22:47:27] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 3066666.66667
[2020-11-03 22:47:39] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 2300000/.75 - 2300000
[2020-11-03 22:47:39] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 766666.666667

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[2020-11-04 12:13:24] <Z-Man> Following the election would be easier if they shuffled the votes before counting them.
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[2020-11-04 16:58:39] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: !
[2020-11-04 16:59:15] <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's looking like a Biden win right now.  The deciding state looks to be Nevada, and Biden is definitely in a good position there.
[2020-11-04 17:00:05] <Z-Man> Yep. Wisconsin and Michigan seem to be in the bag already.
[2020-11-04 20:36:21] <Lucifer_arma> Yepyep.  The only way Nevada doesn't decide it right now is if Pennsylvania goes for Biden before Nevada finishes counting.  :)  NC and Georgia both look like they're going for Trump.
[2020-11-04 20:37:07] <Lucifer_arma> but honestly, any of the four could decide it by reaching the end of their counts and finding that Biden won.  For Trump to win, he has to win all four of them.
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[2020-11-06 17:12:04] <Z-Man> Well, that was pretty much it. When I woke up, it was only a 1800 vote lead for Trump in Georgia. I can picture 1800 people! They almost would fit into this flat if you squeeze real tight. I imagine Trump is in full "NNNNOOOOO! How can this happen? This is impossible! I am invincible!" evil overlord mode. When he's not watching TV, catatonically.
[2020-11-06 17:12:50] <Z-Man> I can't decide whether he's going to melt or be sucked throug a portal into the dimension he came from.
[2020-11-06 17:17:23] <Z-Man> Speaking of evil overlords, he clearly hasn't read the list. Item 17, 25 and 64 would have been useful. Waiting for 18 to bite him.
[2020-11-06 17:20:33] <Z-Man> (No. In reality, I'm just hoping he does as little damage as possible. Good thing there is not really a "Nuke" button.)
[2020-11-06 17:21:42] <Z-Man> (And, of course, that the GOP doesn't let him try this again in 2024.)
[2020-11-06 19:50:50] <Lucifer_arma> He's already talking about running again in 2024.  Also, there was a bomb threat called in for a mall in Philadelphia near where the counting's happening, and in an "unrelated" situation, a dude got arrested after threatening to attack a counting center in Philadelphia
[2020-11-06 19:50:59] <Lucifer_arma> so the weirdness has gone up a level
[2020-11-06 19:53:40] <Lucifer_arma> There's a possibility, I think, that he's going to an old folks' home after this.  He's definitely off his rocker.
[2020-11-06 19:54:25] <Lucifer_arma> The standing question is about his followers: What will it take for them to let him go, or will they just transfer their crazy onto a new, potentially more dangerous demagogue?
[2020-11-06 19:54:44] <Lucifer_arma> This craziness isn't over, not with nearly 70 million people voting for it to continue
[2020-11-06 19:55:05] <Lucifer_arma> I feel like this is just the end of the first act, in a standard 3 act movie.
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[2020-11-07 04:51:32] <Z-Man> Well, Donald Jr. is already running warmup laps. He certainly has ambitions, too.
[2020-11-07 04:52:24] <Z-Man> First of three acts sounds way better than a never ending soap opera.
[2020-11-07 04:59:49] <Z-Man> Here's a scary thought. Biden's victory in a lot of the states is very narrow. No way he would have won them had Covid-19 not exposed Trump's utter incompetence. So now imagine these two things are true (I don't think they are):
[2020-11-07 05:02:33] <Z-Man> 1. Trump's victory this year would have had horrible consequences. Unstoppable climate desaster, totalitarian systems taking over the world, lizard people everywhere, take your pick.
[2020-11-07 05:07:28] <Z-Man> 2. There is a benevolent and omniscient God. But one with very little direct power (by choice! I imagine smiting people left and right is fun and all, but gets boring after a couple of millenia).
[2020-11-07 05:11:52] <Z-Man> It's late 2019; God sees the future without intervention perfectly clear. But a bat infected with a harmless virus is going to shit on something somebody eventually eats in china, or is going to be eaten itself, no matter. A cosmic ray is going to zip through one of the copies of the virus, but would not interact. That's the one thing God can change. Make the ray hit, cause a mutation.
[2020-11-07 05:13:44] <Z-Man> So, worst trolley problem ever?
[2020-11-07 05:14:01] <Z-Man> Unless God happened to like the dinosaurs, of course.
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[2020-11-08 18:00:02] <Lucifer_arma> Well, we're at unstoppable climate disaster already.  totalitarian systems are on the rise, and lizard people would certainly explain Trump's offspring.
[2020-11-08 18:00:50] <Lucifer_arma> I'm pretty sure covid is part of the unstoppable climate disaster, actually, seeing as how the roots of the climate disaster are buried in our species' perceived right to do whatever the hell we want with the land/sea/atmosphere
[2020-11-08 18:01:32] <Lucifer_arma> covid has been around for awhile, and there are historical "cases", meaning cases where people died of something unknown and the autopsies match current cases, and they go back a decade or so.
[2020-11-08 18:02:06] <Lucifer_arma> The indication, then, is that we got covid as a pandemic because of our continuing encroachment on wild lands and there are potentially numerous diseases waiting back there in their safe reservoirs for us to find
[2020-11-08 18:03:54] <Lucifer_arma> we've got to step it up in the US, but also in China, and probably Africa as well (an argument can be made that shows covid just following the model of ebola, as far as sprouting from a wild disease reservoir and into human populations)
[2020-11-08 18:04:45] <Lucifer_arma> well, 70m people voted for the climate change denier in chief this time, and China's moving ahead full steam ahead (making the logical argument of "Why should we be so concerned?  Are only white people allowed to trash the planet?"), and Africa is as disorganized as ever
[2020-11-08 18:05:40] <Lucifer_arma> India is emerging as an economic powerhouse and also currently suffering through a totalitarian movement
[2020-11-08 18:07:02] <Lucifer_arma> if we're rhyming with the 20th century, then Trump fits the mold of the kaiser, not the fuhrer, and we managed to get out without a world war this time (and shut him down fairly early), but the same imperialist and nationalist forces that brought Trump to power are still working
[2020-11-08 18:07:59] <Lucifer_arma> of course, it helps that we also don't have a bunch of super-secret cross-alliances that would lead to a world war without anybody seeing it, and some weirdo in serbia just needed to get shot
[2020-11-08 18:08:27] <Lucifer_arma> no, our version of the next world war is most likely a pandemic, either a mutated covid or a new one that's still lurking in the shadows
[2020-11-08 18:09:39] <Lucifer_arma> 'twould be helpful if South America could get their shit together and form a federalist nation.  There's a lot of untapped power down there, just like there is in Africa.
[2020-11-08 18:10:45] <Lucifer_arma> alas, one of the side effects of the libyan civil war is that the biggest african leader who was pushing for a federalist republic in africa is now dead.
[2020-11-08 18:11:54] <Lucifer_arma> so, what's act 2 looking like?
[2020-11-08 18:12:14] <Lucifer_arma> since I predicted Russia was going to start a major war already, and they didn't, I don't know that I'm in a good place to predict global events
[2020-11-08 18:13:25] <Lucifer_arma> here in America, Biden promised to be a one-term president.  It's clear he's trying to set Kamala up for a strong 2024 run, but you know she's going to have to sit it on the senate for the next two years, especially if (and it's a big IF) the dems manage to get the two seats in Georgia that are going to run-off in January
[2020-11-08 18:13:41] <Lucifer_arma> those two seats will bring the senate to 50-50, and Kamala will be needed to ensure a democrat majority there
[2020-11-08 18:13:59] <Lucifer_arma> so instead of being vice president, she'll be stuck back in the senate doing her old job with a new title
[2020-11-08 18:14:48] <Lucifer_arma> if Trump's still around, he might run again in 2024, but I think it's more likely we'll see Ivanka running, not Don Jr.
[2020-11-08 18:15:26] <Lucifer_arma> and she's in a good position, actually.  *frown*
[2020-11-08 18:16:17] <Lucifer_arma> then the midterms, and if I'm doing my math well, these midterms should favor democrats taking the senate, but considering their losses in an election where the democrat won the presidency...
[2020-11-08 18:16:54] <Lucifer_arma> let's just say the white nationalism from Trump is here to stay for the foreseeable future.  This means the US is not going to be a reliable ally.
[2020-11-08 18:18:31] <Lucifer_arma> but between georgia, arizona, and texas, I think our fears of a US civil war can be relieved.  Two of the powerful red counties flipped this year, even though Trump won the state.  Things are changing here, that's for sure.
[2020-11-08 18:18:46] <Lucifer_arma> and generally speaking, where Texas goes, the country follows.
[2020-11-08 18:20:11] <Lucifer_arma> Putin's going to be out of power soon, but he's going to maintain strong influence.  But I foresee greater cooperation between us and Russia.  We're no longer dependent on Russia for manned spaceflight, and the future of the species is in space
[2020-11-08 18:20:55] <Lucifer_arma> I think space policy is going to be the biggest deciding factor for peace, as in, if we all get together (like we have, for the most part) and pursue space as a new economic frontier, we'll have peace
[2020-11-08 18:21:25] <Lucifer_arma> we'll be able to mitigate climate change damages
[2020-11-08 18:22:04] <Lucifer_arma> but if we keep half-assing space policy like we have been for the last 40 years, I don't know that we'll have peace, but I cannot predict what form the not-peace will take
[2020-11-08 18:23:32] <Lucifer_arma> and I honestly haven't been paying attention to europe.  We've had our hands full dealing with Trump.  :/  One of the things Biden gives us, hopefully, is the breathing room to look around again ;)
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[2020-11-08 21:56:03] <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm not convinced Biden couldn't have won without the pandemic.  There were record numbers of voters, and he still won by only just over 4 million, where Hillary's win was about 3 million
[2020-11-08 21:56:50] <Lucifer_arma> I think the social unrest helped him a lot, in terms of getting people to the polls, but the breakdown isn't much different than it was in 2016, or 2008/2012.  A few demographics shifted a few points this way and that way, but the huge turnout definitely overwhelms those shifts

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[2020-11-09 16:52:12] <Z-Man> The BLM protests both helped and hindered Biden. They helped, because BLM supporters were unlikely to vote Trump. They hindered, because Biden didn't condemn the violence and looting enough; that weakened his position from the point of view of moderates and made him attackable on the Law and Order ticket. And now he has the problem of what to do should the unrest flare up again. He may have no choice but to disappoint some group who
[2020-11-09 16:52:12] <Z-Man> thought he was on their side.
[2020-11-09 16:54:41] <Z-Man> Well, I'm not sure Trump would have won had there been no COVID-19. But if he had handled the crisis better, certainly. Usually, a crisis well handled rallies the people behind their current leader, because stability and a proven track record count for something. Also, tribalism.
[2020-11-09 16:58:28] <Z-Man> Quick primer on the EU's state: Hungary and Poland are slipping into autocratic regimes. They're successfully removing the free press and rigging the justice system to be less independent. They still have free elections, so at least that. Everyone else is in a healty political state.
[2020-11-09 17:02:15] <Z-Man> Brexit happened and will come into full effect in January. There's still no final treaty on how to proceed. The main problem is still the border issue in Ireland. We don't want a border between the southern Republic of Ireland and the rest of the EU, Ireland doesn't want a border inland because of the peace treaty, and GB doesn't want a border between northern Ireland and the rest. Logically, the border should be where the people are
[2020-11-09 17:02:15] <Z-Man>  who had this brilliant idea, but nobody is asking me :)
[2020-11-09 17:11:28] <Z-Man> COVID is hitting us hard with the second wave. Detected infections are through the roof (not comparable to the first wave, because of more testing), Intensive care units are getting full again, restrictions have been put in place everywhere. France has a full curfew, pubs in GB are closed. There is moderate civil unrest about it in Italy and Spain. Schools are still open, though. Here it's all right. Restaurants, bars, cinemas,
[2020-11-09 17:11:28] <Z-Man> theaters and gymns are closed for November, we have restrictions about how many people can meet outside and we're strongly encouraged not to invite too many people in our own homes (nobody is checking on that because of privacy). The shops are all open. Of course, there is also a bit of unrest, coming from the far right and conspiracy nutters. Oh, sorry, I mean independent thinkers.
[2020-11-09 17:13:26] <Z-Man> The northern countries are doing fine, as usual :) Cheeky bastards.
[2020-11-09 17:23:29] <Z-Man> The refuge crisis also isn't over. Well, it sort of is for us, because those that still come, come via boat over the mediterranean, and then they get stuck on one of the islands. Efforts to get them evenly distributed over Europe failed, mostly due to the resistance of, surprise, Poland and Hungary. There's a treaty with Turkey that says they have to take back any refugees that would not get asylum here, but Grece doesn't even have
[2020-11-09 17:23:29] <Z-Man> the capacity to handle their applications to determine who they could send back. So the islands, Lesbos in particular, are filling up. The locals aren't happy, understandably. It's a disgrace. Some refugee parents there probably wish they would take their kids away and lock them into cages, as long as they're at least fed. Really, all decent countries should just take some of the refugees, fair distribution be damned. We're aftraid
[2020-11-09 17:23:29] <Z-Man> of losing votes to the far right.
[2020-11-09 17:26:12] <Z-Man> So yeah, mostly all right, and not all fucked up stuff is happening over there with you guys :)
[2020-11-09 17:33:08] <Z-Man> I haven't read anything about COVID-Similar cases prior to 2019. But it seems plausible that for every case where a virus hops from animal to a human and is then somehow well able to spread betwen humans, there must be a hundred cases where it makes the first hop and can even multiply in its first human victim, but is stuck there.
[2020-11-09 17:40:53] <Z-Man> I don't think the chances that one of those Viri is going to wipe us all out, or even do serious damage like the Black Plague back in the day, is all too big in the next 100, 200, even 1000 years. But longterm... as long as we're stuck on this planet and filling every corner, we're the perfect prey. And where there is perfect prey, a perfect predator is bound to show up some time.
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[2020-11-09 23:04:14] <Lucifer_arma> here's a new diagnosis: mouse pad quit working

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[2020-11-10 18:08:02] <Lucifer_arma> the refugee thing annoys me, not least because of the right-wing opposition to it here.  I think it's reasonable that if you've put boots on the ground in any warzone or sent any military aid then you're responsible for the refugees trying to escape the warzone
[2020-11-10 18:08:21] <Lucifer_arma> you can't shit in someone else's pool without being expected to help clean it up!
[2020-11-10 18:09:31] <Lucifer_arma> of course, this overlaps significantly with our immigration issues, because many of the people at our southern border that are trying to come in legally/willing to come in illegally are basically economic refugees caused by a combination of US government policy/practice and US company policy/practice
[2020-11-10 18:09:45] <Lucifer_arma> so it's still on us to help these people
[2020-11-10 18:10:34] <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, basic decency means that even countries who aren't involved should step up and help out, but the leaders who are doing the most to cause/exacerbate the problems that generate refugees in the first place are cowardly trying to avoid having to do anything
[2020-11-10 18:11:13] <Lucifer_arma> and I know this isn't just the US, and the EU definitely has a hand in it as well, but there's also Russia, Iran, China, etc.  They do nothing, and nobody says "What?"
[2020-11-10 18:12:35] <Lucifer_arma> it would be really fucking awesome if we all just collectively agreed that we're all the same people and we should take care of our own and we did that.  Failing that, if you follow the blame, you find the people who should be taking in the refugees and helping them out, but aren't, or are trying not to
[2020-11-10 18:13:10] <Lucifer_arma> on a side note, Texas is the first state to hit 1 million covid cases
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[2020-11-11 21:52:36] <Lucifer_arma> ok, so, my continuing effort to build my new computer has failed because I didn't order a power supply
[2020-11-11 21:52:37] <Lucifer_arma> oops
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[2020-11-11 23:56:08] <Lucifer_arma> Didn't Trump promise that if Biden won, we'd stop hearing about covid after the election?  :/

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[2020-11-13 12:09:06] <Z-Man> But Lucifer_arma, it's impossible that Biden wins, therefore he hasn't won, therefore the sentence is 100% correct.
[2020-11-13 15:13:05] <luke-jr> Z-Man: well, he hasn't won, but it's not impossible yet
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[2020-11-13 22:51:22] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: Biden has won and it's not possible for Trump to take the election now.  Biden hasn't been formally named the next president by the government, because the electoral college hasn't met yet.
[2020-11-13 22:51:40] <Lucifer_arma> Does the constitution consider the president-elect before the electoral college meets?
[2020-11-13 23:25:47] <luke-jr> not enough States have certified their election results for anyone to have won yet
[2020-11-13 23:26:17] <luke-jr> and with the massive fraud, it's not likely Biden could take office from Trump even if he did win
[2020-11-13 23:51:23] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: massive fraud?  You're drinking the kool-aid again, aren't you?
[2020-11-13 23:52:26] <Lucifer_arma> no states have certified their results, as far as I know.  So the win isn't "official" yet.  It's not a sports game, it takes some time to get everything certified
[2020-11-13 23:53:01] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, apparently the constitution only talks about the president-elect relative to succession, so there's no specific time at which the winner of the election becomes the president-elect.
[2020-11-13 23:54:50] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: if you're pretending there wasn't a bunch of fraud, the kool-aid is in your system

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[2020-11-14 00:00:22] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: uh, no.  You got proof?  Or are you just spouting Trump talking points?  Repeating a liar is on you.
[2020-11-14 00:00:53] <Lucifer_arma> even the international observers watching everything said it was a well-run election.
[2020-11-14 00:01:26] <luke-jr> not going to bother proving anything to you, it'll come out in court
[2020-11-14 00:01:39] <luke-jr> if you were paying attention you'd have already seen it
[2020-11-14 00:01:57] <Lucifer_arma> ok.  We'll see.  If, that is, any of the court cases manage to not get thrown out (so far, every one of them that's gone in front of a judge has been tossed)
[2020-11-14 00:02:34] <Lucifer_arma> ok, then, what does voter fraud look like?  Besides a sore loser losing an election.
[2020-11-14 00:03:29] <luke-jr> I don't really care how it goes at this point anyway
[2020-11-14 00:04:10] <luke-jr> I did my duty to vote. That's the end of my role in government.
[2020-11-14 00:04:14] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I know.  I mean, it's not like the future of our country relies on having free and fair elections or anything
[2020-11-14 00:04:35] <luke-jr> I have no interest in our government continuing anyway.
[2020-11-14 00:05:02] <Lucifer_arma> have you become a play soldier?
[2020-11-14 00:05:08] <luke-jr> wut
[2020-11-14 00:05:52] <Lucifer_arma> have you joined a militia?
[2020-11-14 00:06:01] <luke-jr> no
[2020-11-14 00:06:07] <Lucifer_arma> become a wannabe terrorist?
[2020-11-14 00:06:11] <luke-jr> …
[2020-11-14 00:06:27] <luke-jr> sorry, these are just dumb questions now
[2020-11-14 00:06:37] <Lucifer_arma> put on camo and taken your assault rifle out into the wilderness to march around with other likeminded people?
[2020-11-14 00:06:59] <Lucifer_arma> do you have a picture of Timothy McVeigh hanging over your gun safe?
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[2020-11-14 04:47:45] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: Like in any election, there have been irregularities. Votes that shouldn't be there (the famous dead people voting) and stuff. It's not really possible to tell which of these are the result of fraud or just down to errors. Both are bound to happen. And yeah, the recounts will show there have been counting errors. BUT, of course, there is zero evidence (by which I mean something that would hold in court, Alex Jones shouting at
[2020-11-14 04:47:45] <Z-Man> a crowd does not count) for large scale and/or systematic fraud at this point.
[2020-11-14 04:52:28] <Z-Man> And while it is deeply problematic that luke-jr and possibly millions of others still believe Trump's lies, there is no need to put him that deep into the loonie basket.
[2020-11-14 04:55:59] <Z-Man> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/us-election-fraud-trump-international-observers-report-b1720152.html <- link to Lucifer_arma's statement about international observers; the actual report is linked there. Of note is that not all US states allow these observers.
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[2020-11-14 11:12:27] <luke-jr> Z-Man: a popular brand of voting machines used in all swing states classifying Biden votes as Trump?
[2020-11-14 11:12:48] <luke-jr> Z-Man: all the votes giving Biden a sudden lead, not having votes on any other office/issue?
[2020-11-14 11:13:24] <luke-jr> Z-Man: large batches of votes coming in literally 100% Biden? not even a small minority Trump?
[2020-11-14 11:13:41] <luke-jr> perhaps you can argue these aren't conclusive, but they are certainly evidence
[2020-11-14 16:05:58] <Z-Man> Well, thanks for providing links. I'll just answer to what I find. The voting machine miscount (Dominion Voting Systems?) happened in one batch due to a misconfiguration, not fraud. It was discovered and corrected, the machines themselves worked fine. Yes, it can happen elsewhere, too. Automatic counting is problematic. That's what recounts by hand are for.
[2020-11-14 16:07:15] <Z-Man> I'm not searching for votes that were just for Biden and not for any congress/senate candidate or other issue. Strikes me as a normal thing to do if you're only interested in this one thing and don't care or don't feel informed enough about the other things.
[2020-11-14 16:10:38] <Z-Man> The 100% votes for biden apparently were just a transfer error of some website, not even unofficial counts. Again, quickly corrected. Blown out of proportion on social media. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/technology/biden-michigan-votes.html
[2020-11-14 16:13:17] <Z-Man> I mean, if you're upset about that, what about days with NEGATIVE COVID-19 death counts in spain? Look at Spain's cumulative grahps here: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html What's going on there?
[2020-11-14 16:16:52] <Z-Man> So no, no evidence. Your election system may be a bit rusty and old fashioned and slow, but it seems to be working. Mostly.
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[2020-11-14 22:11:27] <Lucifer_arma_> there are always mistakes and anomalies, and so far, there's only been one election that was potentially miscounted because of them (2000).  There's just no way to have millions of people vote and get counted without there being some issues.
[2020-11-14 22:12:10] <Lucifer_arma_> That's not the question here.  The question here is if there's enough "issues" to reach the point of massive, deliberate votes that swung the election in the direction away from what people actually voted for
[2020-11-14 22:12:52] <Lucifer_arma_> and again, if you take a look at the size of conspiracy needed to execute on that sort of thing, you find an organization that would be too big to hide/camoflage
[2020-11-14 22:13:35] <Lucifer_arma_> even the 2016 election, as close as the margins were in a few states, still had margins high enough that Trump was clearly the choice of the country, given the rules of the election
[2020-11-14 22:14:01] <Lucifer_arma_> (except in a couple of states, but he still would have 270 electoral votes without them)
[2020-11-14 22:14:48] <Lucifer_arma_> as for large vote dumps in this election that swung towards biden, yeah, that really happened.  It's exactly what you expect to happen when early voters swing pretty hard to the left, and those votes aren't allowed to be counted until the day of the election
[2020-11-14 22:15:25] <Lucifer_arma_> in a lot of places where early votes *were* allowed to be counted early, we saw the opposite, but since we saw that happening in non-swing states, the "voter fraud" crowd is ignoring them
[2020-11-14 22:15:56] <Lucifer_arma_> just like they're ignoring how in north carolina, votes postmarked on election day but received later are still counted, because Trump won north carolina.
[2020-11-14 22:16:49] <Lucifer_arma_> we literally saw protestors in Michigan yelling "Stop the count!" because Trump was losing there the more they counted, and protestors in Arizona yelling "count the votes!" because Trump was losing there and wouldn't win if they stopped counting
[2020-11-14 22:18:40] <Lucifer_arma_> I might be willing to take these voter fraud claims mroe seriously if the claimants didn't keep discrediting themselves when they make them

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[2020-11-15 03:12:57] <Z-Man> Spot on. And the only reason we're hearing more alegations of fraud is because Trump has been priming his followers for months that it would happen. So now they're highly susceptible to confirmation bias and see every tiny thing that seems unusual to them as evidence for fraud. And since most of them never watched an election before this closely, very silly things seem unusual to them. Say, a journalist van with camera equipment arriving at
[2020-11-15 03:12:58] <Z-Man>  a vote counting center. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/detroit-election-fraud-video-fake-ballot-b1640129.html
[2020-11-15 19:14:45] <Lucifer_arma_> yep.  We had a similar effect in the 2004 election due to ongoing bad feelings from 2000, where Ohio did a bunch of late voter roll purges and it looked like they might have been able to swing Ohio for Bush.
[2020-11-15 19:15:20] <Lucifer_arma_> Maybe it happened.  There's solid evidence that it affected the result in Ohio.  But Bush won fair and square in enough places that even without Ohio, he had the win.
[2020-11-15 19:16:24] <Lucifer_arma_> one of the things that makes democracy strong is the sheer numbers of people voting and the difficulty in stamping out the will of the people.  You have to dig really deep into the election to cause a result that runs contrary to the will of the people.
[2020-11-15 19:16:56] <Lucifer_arma_> It's possible, and it's certainly been done in plenty of places (Maduro is a name popping into my head right now, also the Turkey thing).
[2020-11-15 19:17:41] <Lucifer_arma_> But one of the things that makes US elections fairly solid is precisely one of its biggest weaknesses, which is the hodge podge of election laws throughout the various states
[2020-11-15 19:18:25] <Lucifer_arma_> there's even been commentary talking about voter suppression efforts (which happen all the time, I was a victim of them six years ago and prevented from voting in the midterms)
[2020-11-15 19:18:55] <Lucifer_arma_> ironically, there's been enough work to expand voting that when you add in voter suppression efforts, you still end up with a net gain of new voting opportunities
[2020-11-15 19:19:43] <Lucifer_arma_> and I do wish we didn't have to talk about voter suppression like it's a thing that happens in the US, but in this election, the voter suppression efforts targeted likely democratic voters, and Biden still won
[2020-11-15 19:20:20] <Lucifer_arma_> I think the biggest argument against widespread voter fraud is that dems didn't take the senate and lost ground in the House.  If there were widespread vote fraud, it was a severely half-assed effort at best.
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[2020-11-17 00:49:53] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1190 Possible teleport crash-fix: Not syncing the last cycle wall...
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[2020-11-18 08:38:19] <nunya_> I used to be able to pause the game by typing p It would pause until I hit the p key again. Now it pauses for about 3 seconds and then continues the game. Can anyone help get the pause function back to normal?
[2020-11-18 09:03:29] <nunya_> Hello, anyone home?
[2020-11-18 09:10:12] <Armanelgtron> usually, people don't instantly respond around here
[2020-11-18 09:10:38] <nunya_> Ok just wondering.
[2020-11-18 09:14:38] <Armanelgtron> well I'm not sure I'd be able to answer but I'll ask what version of armagetron and what OS?
[2020-11-18 09:14:54] <Armanelgtron> that is, I'm not sure I'd be able to help figure out why the pause function is broken
[2020-11-18 09:16:29] <nunya_> Armagetronad 0.2.9.0.1  Ubuntu
[2020-11-18 09:18:52] <Armanelgtron> is armagetron by some chance somehow losing and regaining focus ?
[2020-11-18 09:19:06] <nunya_> not that I know of
[2020-11-18 09:21:13] <nunya_> <Armanelgtron> Other programs use the same hotkey but not running when I play Armagetronad
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[2020-11-18 12:50:56] <Z-Man> Weird. Yeah, on Ubuntu, I get the automatic unpausing too, with the 0install version of 0.2.9. Doesn't happen on my main machine.
[2020-11-18 12:51:32] <Z-Man> That it unpauses if you switch focus away from it and back has been there before. I'm not sure we that's such a good thing either.
[2020-11-18 12:52:11] <Z-Man> I'll do a debug recording from ubuntu, check it out on the development system to see what's up.
[2020-11-18 12:54:28] <Z-Man> Perfect. It does not happen when you make a debug recording.
[2020-11-18 13:21:16] <Z-Man> It also doesn't happen in windowed mode, so no direct debugging.
[2020-11-18 13:22:46] <Z-Man> And recent builds from the 0.2.8.3 branch are also affected. I don't think it's a code change with us that triggered this.
[2020-11-18 13:23:07] <Z-Man> Right, so the one shot I have here is to disable the unpause on reactivation, see if that fixes it.
[2020-11-18 13:31:05] <Z-Man> And amazingly, that was it. The unpause on reactivation also was guarded so it didn't happen on record, neatly explaining that effect.
[2020-11-18 13:31:28] <Z-Man> So Ubuntu must be sending spurious window activation messages in fullscreen mode now.
[2020-11-18 13:31:52] <Z-Man> (Now = since at least 18.04)
[2020-11-18 13:35:59] <Z-Man> And it also explains the weird thing that the game would stutter ahead frame by frame if the menu is activated. I wanted to get to the bottom of that, too.
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[2020-11-19 01:37:23] <Lucifer_arma> here's a crazy idea I just had.  What if, instead of trying to turn my laptop's screen into a fancy handmade raspberry pi case, what instead of doing that, I just do a handmade case for the system board that's in the laptop?
[2020-11-19 01:38:28] <Lucifer_arma> I should be able to still accomplish what I'm trying to accomplish, but I'll keep an AMD64 computer for my primary use computer instead of moving to an ARM7
[2020-11-19 01:45:44] <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's a big nvm.  After checking the specs on my laptop and comparing them to both a ROCK PI X and a raspberry pi 4, it's an upgrade either way, so I'll continue on my plan
[2020-11-19 01:57:57] <Lucifer_arma> https://shop.allnetchina.cn/collections/frontpage/products/rock-pi-x?variant=32068170285158
[2020-11-19 01:58:09] <Lucifer_arma> it's that or a raspi 4
[2020-11-19 01:58:49] <Lucifer_arma> is it safe to say that for the same clock speed, the intel chip will perform better than the arm chip?
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[2020-11-20 03:58:11] <Lucifer_arma> here's a lesson I have to keep re-learning: the raw speed of the wire or wireless protocol does not determine actual throughput
[2020-11-20 03:58:41] <Lucifer_arma> I just plugged in a usb wifi device with two antennas through an unpowered usb hub into a usb 2.0 port, and my network speed increased
[2020-11-20 04:00:39] <Lucifer_arma> it's a lesson I theoretically learned back when I first got broadband and I was able to directly compare a 300mhz K6 to a 450mhz K6.  Obviously the network speed didn't change, but my computer's ability to process the network increased, and it was apparent
[2020-11-20 04:01:45] <Lucifer_arma> now I'll go find a torrent to download to remind me it's not that big of a difference :)
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[2020-11-20 07:48:43] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: ya, I could have told you Trump won indiana before the projection, IN just about always votes incumbant.
[2020-11-20 16:54:38] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: yeah, your argument against fraud is one of the two that apply to almost any conspiracy narrative and should take down 95% of them instantly:
[2020-11-20 16:54:39] <Z-Man> 1. If they're operating in the shadows so efficently, why haven't they achieved even more?
[2020-11-20 16:54:39] <Z-Man> 2. what, you expect these bumbling clowns to run a secret organization?
[2020-11-20 17:00:09] <Z-Man> In reality, manipulating elections is the last thing you want to do if you want to seize power. It's simply not possible to do so as long as the rest of a democratic state is working well. Instead, what Putin has done, what Orban and Erdogan and the guy from Poland are currently doing, you suffocate the free press (ho capitalism! sometimes buy just buying it up.) and eliminate the independence of the justice system. Both go hand in hand,
[2020-11-20 17:00:09] <Z-Man> the suppressed press won't report on your dangerous changes to the justice system and the obedient judges won't stop your crusade against the press.
[2020-11-20 17:01:33] <Z-Man> After a while, you can then eliminate the political opposition. Have them outlawed or arrested. If that doesn't work and you're Putin, have them murdered.
[2020-11-20 17:02:57] <Z-Man> And then you don't need to forge the elections  any more; with the resulting massive support from the people, you can then change the constitution to, oh, for example, allow you to stay in power longer than the old constitution would have allowed.
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Trump tried all of that.
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Suffocate critical press? "Fake news media!"
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Eliminate political opposition? "Lock her/him/them up!"
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Change the constitution? "And maybe, we'll ask for a third [term in office]."
[2020-11-20 17:09:56] <Z-Man> Bend the justice system? Install the most conservative judges he can find. (Ok, I count that one as exploiting his office fair and square)
[2020-11-20 19:49:10] <Lucifer_arma> actually, the judge issue runs way deeper than that
[2020-11-20 19:49:31] <Lucifer_arma> they've installed enough conservative judges at the federal level that it's safe to say that the judiciary is somewhat compromised
[2020-11-20 19:50:04] <Lucifer_arma> exactly by how much remains to be seen, but this whole "look at the supreme court" thing is an illusionist's act.  The real work has been happening just under the supreme court level
[2020-11-20 19:50:54] <Lucifer_arma> the press attacks have been successful in the "hearts and minds" category, for conservatives, because the extreme right-wing press has risen to become a mainstream press
[2020-11-20 19:51:04] <Lucifer_arma> but the liberal/mostly objective media is still free
[2020-11-20 19:51:49] <Lucifer_arma> I think the attacks on social media for censorship are going to fail, ultimately, but I think the purpose of them right now is to deter social media from stepping up like liberals have been asking and to drive the extreme right-wing media into further power
[2020-11-20 19:52:41] <Lucifer_arma> but Biden has a fine line to walk.  If he tries to jail Trump (and we all know Trump is guilty and easily jailable for numerous offenses), then he actually contributes to the process by locking up his opponent
[2020-11-20 19:53:55] <Lucifer_arma> also, as I recall, the soviets maintained power by having free elections where they choose the candidates
[2020-11-20 19:54:23] <Lucifer_arma> it's basically how we have states (such as Texas) where the ruling party stays in power because the only way to change out specific people is to beat them in the primary
[2020-11-20 19:54:47] <Lucifer_arma> there's definitely a path to subverting the american government, and we're definitely on it
[2020-11-20 19:55:06] <Lucifer_arma> but unlike with climate change, we're still nowhere near the point of no return
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[2020-11-21 18:21:10] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: How is the judiciary compromised? It's more conservative now for sure, but I think conservatives and liberals/progressives still share more values and ideas than they disagree on. I'd think that the fact that your judges at the high level are appointed for life protects them quite well from any further influence from politicians. Well, unless the politicians have blackmail material, that is. Even the judges Trump
[2020-11-21 18:21:11] <Z-Man> appointed are not going to support his power grab moves, or those of any future would-be despot.
[2020-11-21 18:21:11] <Z-Man> Yeah, that the only way to any amount power in the US is through one of the big parties is a problem. Ideally, a democracy chooses leaders where the people think they have the right solutions to the problems. In a two party system, you are always weeded out by the parties fist, who select their candidates on how well they align with party policies and how big their perceived chances of winning the actual election are. We have this
[2020-11-21 18:21:11] <Z-Man> problem here in Bavaria, too, where one party has been ruling locally practically forever, uncontested. They just lost absolute majority last year or so. They're often part of the federal government, and nearly every minister they sent has been incompetent and/or a fraud and/or corrupt. I can't prove those two things are related.
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[2020-11-22 00:56:05] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: all federal judges are lifetime appointees.  State judges are different, because those are defined by the states.  In Texas, we elect most, if not all, of our state judges.  That has a different set of problems, of course, where criminal justice proceedings can be made based on public opinion rather than the rule of law
[2020-11-22 00:56:45] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, Mitch McConnell has managed to gain a huge amount of control over the judiciary nomination process to where he's been dictating who gets nominated and then running them through the senate and getting them confirmed.
[2020-11-22 00:57:17] <Lucifer_arma> He's been choosing partisan judges.  The official source of the list is some Really Big right-wing think tank, the same people who same up with the three supreme court justices we got.
[2020-11-22 00:57:59] <Lucifer_arma> now, the lifetime appointments are supposed to protect the judges from partisan politics, but that doesn't matter if the person confirmed to the position is partisan for their own reasons
[2020-11-22 00:58:47] <Lucifer_arma> we've been shorthanded at the federal level for decades.  Judges resign or die all the time, and if it's during a period where the senate is controlled by the opposition, they may or may not try to block those appointments
[2020-11-22 00:59:35] <Lucifer_arma> Going back to Clinton, the senate quit confirming lower-level judges after the sex scandal, and the republicans had already been fighting as hard as possible.  When the dems took the senate under W, they responded in kind.
[2020-11-22 01:00:12] <Lucifer_arma> that particular little war extended into Obama's presidency, of course.  Trump made the deal with the republicans that was basically "I'll give you the judges you want, and you support me."
[2020-11-22 01:00:44] <Lucifer_arma> Mitch McConnell did the math and figured he could use a couple of years to railroad through as many judges as possible, and he signaled this intent when he held open Scalia's seat back in 2016
[2020-11-22 01:01:34] <Lucifer_arma> the appellate judges have limited power, to the extent that the supreme court rides herd over all of them.  Except the supreme court can only take a handful of cases a year, which gives the appellate courts a HUGE amount of power
[2020-11-22 01:02:01] <Lucifer_arma> it's balanced by the fact that an appellate court's opinion only serves a precedent in their district.
[2020-11-22 01:02:45] <Lucifer_arma> but really, the fight over the judiciary goes back to Reagen, and it's been pretty bloodthirsty and cutthroat, as far as such things go in a non-Roman empire
[2020-11-22 01:04:36] <Lucifer_arma> the way forward, of course, is to actually enlarge the supreme court.  Do it in a way where you add enough seats to swing it liberal to spank the republicans for their so-called lame duck appointee views, and then add new justices every four years and let the elections pick the president that appoints them
[2020-11-22 01:05:30] <Lucifer_arma> a 27-person supreme court could then hear cases with a panel ranging in size from 3-9 justices, which would increase the throughput of cases the court can hear dramatically, and thus lessen the power of the subordinate courts
[2020-11-22 01:06:12] <Lucifer_arma> they could still choose big monumental cases to hear en banc, and then there'd be a 27 member court to hear it, and I don't need to tell you what that would do to the decision-making just mathematically
[2020-11-22 01:06:46] <Lucifer_arma> that would go a very long way towards taking partisan politics out of the federal courts
[2020-11-22 01:07:45] <Lucifer_arma> personally, I'd add a federal retirement age where all federal employees, including elected and appointed, have to retire at a certain age.  There may be a way to do that without changing the constitution and still have it apply to the judiciary.
[2020-11-22 01:08:15] <Lucifer_arma> it would prevent individuals in their 70s from having too much individual power that they spend 50 years amassing by simply telling them to go home.
[2020-11-22 01:09:48] <Lucifer_arma> also, none of this even starts to address the money in politics issue.  I'm definitely in favor of doing things that make our government better without addressing the money in politics issue because the money in politics is powerful enough to stop many efforts thrown directly at it
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[2020-11-22 11:18:51] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: before, had there been a understanding between Republicans and Democrats to appoint judges both sides could agree on?
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[2020-11-22 14:11:32] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: yes, votes should have thr question as to weather we should remove judges from the highest court, I have that locally, also get to vote on them
[2020-11-22 14:47:40] <Z-Man> Huh, I don't know where our little judges come from. Lemme check.
[2020-11-22 14:49:26] <ct|kyle> in my county I can vote to appoint, but also so retain judges to our county level court. I think that would force it to be less partision, maybe. though thougth parties are stupic and very cult like anymore
[2020-11-22 15:02:47] <Z-Man> Maybe, but you still have the problem that the voters are polarized into two camps (with additional internal polarization...) in the US. In a direct vote, a centrist/moderate candidate probably still would not have much of a chance.
[2020-11-22 15:04:07] <ct|kyle> Ya, that's the big problem, they think there are and can only be 2 sides
[2020-11-22 15:04:16] <Z-Man> Found it. Normal judges are first just selected by their University grade at law school. Essentially, if you're a good enough student according to your profs, you can become a judge. After three to five years, if you haven't been removed for gross incompetence or anti-constitutional activity, you get to be judge for life.
[2020-11-22 15:05:52] <Z-Man> Half our supreme court members are elected by the Bundestag and Bundesrat, a 2/3 majority is required. Their terms are limited to 12 years or until they turn 68, about normal retirement age.
[2020-11-22 15:06:57] <Z-Man> Judges here have less actual power to establish politics, mind. Our laws tend to be very explicit and usually don't leave much room for interpretation, because Germany.
[2020-11-22 15:08:14] <Z-Man> Other European states rely even more on self-governing of the justice system, I read.
[2020-11-22 15:10:56] <Z-Man> Which in theory is vulnerable to a hostile takeover; imagine a sneaky authoritarian force swamping the law schools with students who study really hard and get the good grades and some get profs themselves so they effectively select the next generation of judges, while others just become judges. And blammo, four decades later you only have judges from that organization.
[2020-11-22 15:11:20] <Z-Man> Heh. Probably takes way more effort than they'd be willing to make :)
[2020-11-22 15:15:03] <ct|kyle> I just hope soon enough in the US no president will get the required 270 electorials
[2020-11-22 15:16:48] <ct|kyle> way too much Groupthink across the nation though
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[2020-11-23 00:47:42] <Lucifer_arma> well, we inherited the common law system from the Brits, which basically requires a court to make the same decision it made previously, but limits the scope of a decision to the court's district
[2020-11-23 00:48:28] <Lucifer_arma> so, theoretically, if a law is made ambiguous, the idea is that courts have more power to determine how it works in their specific districts
[2020-11-23 00:49:00] <Lucifer_arma> that's supposed to allow more local rule and less from-on-high rule
[2020-11-23 00:49:30] <Lucifer_arma> but then, if you have two districts who have interpreted the law in a contradictory way, a supervising court of some sort can then make a ruling that applies within its entire jurisdiction
[2020-11-23 00:50:26] <Lucifer_arma> but besides all of that, I have determined that Texas can dominate American politics if we become a swing state deliberately
[2020-11-23 00:50:58] <Lucifer_arma> like, if we unite as Texans, set aside some of our differences in policy and focus instead on the simple fact that basic principles are essentially the same, and then focus on working together
[2020-11-23 00:51:36] <Lucifer_arma> I wonder what would happen if we had a Texan who was powerful enough in Texas to win our electoral votes and decided not to run anywhere else
[2020-11-23 00:51:59] <Lucifer_arma> just here, just to win enough to deny 270 votes to any of the other candidates, and able to dictate concessions from them
[2020-11-23 01:26:42] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1194 Allow collapsing already shrinking zones.
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[2020-11-24 22:12:13] <Lucifer_arma> woohoo!  My laptop screen is now a standalone monitor :)
[2020-11-24 22:12:32] <Lucifer_arma> plugged into my laptop via hdmi cable, so it's not an obvious step forward.  Not for awhile, anyway.
[2020-11-24 22:20:47] <Lucifer_arma> it looks a lot better, but I can't really tell if it's the new display controller or the fact that I scrubbed the shit out of it while I had it apart :)
[2020-11-24 22:20:53] <Lucifer_arma> probably the scrubbing
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[2020-11-26 15:55:44] <Lucifer_arma> Happy US Genocide Day!
[2020-11-26 15:57:36] <Z-Man> Woudn't you also need a significant number of delegates in the senate or house to be able to excert pressure on the president you made with your Texas takeover plan? That's how it works in countries with proportional representation, the smaller parites in the government still are in parliament and of the big partner does something that goes against previous agreements, they can drop their support.
[2020-11-26 15:58:21] <Z-Man> Happy day before black friday or something, yeah! Can't you just be proud of your country without getting darkly political, shesh?
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[2020-11-26 17:27:00] <Lucifer_arma> We wouldn't need a lot of delegates.  By being a swing state, and already being the second most populous state, we have a lot of electoral votes.  So to win Texas, if we became a swing state, both parties would have to make an appeal that works for Texas
[2020-11-26 17:27:38] <Lucifer_arma> as far as forcing concessions, that's only really possible if we can run our own candidate who gets enough electoral votes to deny 270 to the winner, and both other candidates are close enough that we can choose which candidate to award them to
[2020-11-26 17:28:28] <Lucifer_arma> and I'm fine having a more personal day of gratitude, which is what I typically actually do.  I make it darkly political because I think we need a day where we at least look at the reality of that particular part of our history, and the Thanksgiving myth that we have is so contrary to that history
[2020-11-26 17:28:58] <Lucifer_arma> I am trying to make every day more gracious, though, because that's how you avoid addiction and being an asshole otherwise.
[2020-11-26 17:29:30] <Lucifer_arma> besides, at this point, my wishing everyone a happy genocide day has been going on long enough that it might as well be a Thanksgiving tradition :)
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[2020-11-28 01:36:46] <Lucifer_arma> well, that was unexpected.  After converting my laptop screen into a standalone monitor, I bought a little tablet stand for thin monitors and put it on the stand.  Now it's sitting at a very comfortable height, and it's made the screen like 200% better than it was before.
[2020-11-28 01:37:27] <Lucifer_arma> it's making this computer easier to use than it has ever been, and because of the body being in various states of disrepair, it's never been easy to use.
[2020-11-28 01:37:53] <Lucifer_arma> that makes it an unexpected source of improvement.  :)
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[2020-11-28 10:06:44] <nunya_> When I try to pause the game it only pauses for a second then resumes. I used to be able to pause the game, go do something else. How do I configure Armagetronad to do that when I press p ?
[2020-11-28 10:17:30] <nunya_> I have googled but found no results for how to do this in Armagetronad. I have edited ~/.armagetronad/var/user.cfg     " KEYBOARD	112	PLAYER_BIND	PAUSE_GAME	0" I changed the value from 0 to 1. That caused no pause at all so I changed it back to 0
[2020-11-28 10:18:25] <nunya_> Is anyone here? t appears no one is chatting.
[2020-11-28 10:23:12] <nunya_> This room is useless! I have never gotten a rewsponse! Why bother?
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[2020-11-28 10:38:15] <nunya_> Hi luke-jr I don't know if I can be helpful but at least know someone is here.
[2020-11-28 10:47:34] <nunya_> When I try to pauseArmagetronadit only pauses for a second then resumes. I used to be able to pause the game, go do something else. How do I configure  Armagetronad to do that when I press p ? I even tried the settings in the game, aaigned the key p.
[2020-11-28 10:51:18] <Armanelgtron> never you say ? did I not respond to you last time you were here
[2020-11-28 10:53:37] <Armanelgtron> anyway, I believe Z-Man said that it was due to a bug in ubuntu sending spurious activation events, tied with armagetron's unpause on activation
[2020-11-28 10:54:50] <nunya_> <Armanelgtron>Any ideas for a solution?
[2020-11-28 10:55:14] <Armanelgtron> I think as a workaround you could leave the in-game menu (escape) open if you want to pause
[2020-11-28 10:56:05] <nunya_> <Armanelgtron> Thanks I'll try that.
[2020-11-28 10:57:00] <Armanelgtron> or I should say, open the in-game menu (escape) to pause, close the in-game menu (escape again or return to game) to unpause
[2020-11-28 10:58:48] <nunya_> <Armanelgtron> I get it thanks!
[2020-11-28 11:02:55] <nunya_> <Armanelgtron>I just tried that. the light cycle keeps going although very slowly but eventually crashes into a wall. Oh well I guess I'll just have to finish a game before a bathroom break!
[2020-11-28 11:04:40] <Armanelgtron> oh I guess that was the game advancing frame by frame thing on the menu he mentioned...
[2020-11-28 11:05:44] <nunya_> Hopefully the game designers or Ubuntu team get this solved by next version of the game.
[2020-11-28 11:06:40] <nunya_> I guess that explains why installing an earlier version of the game didn't work either.
[2020-11-28 11:08:33] <Armanelgtron> I guess you could leave fullscreen mode when you want to pause
[2020-11-28 11:10:49] <nunya_> <Armanelgtron>That seems to be working
[2020-11-28 11:25:14] <nunya_> <Armanelgtron>Thanks again!
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[2020-11-28 11:27:03] <Armanelgtron> I wish they didn't complain about not getting an immediate response ... I only happened to check IRC in a reasonable timeframe both times... oh well
[2020-11-28 12:25:19] <ct|kyle> It's the age of the instant of crap
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[2020-11-29 02:04:03] <Lucifer_arma> I don't remember a time when irc carried an instant response expectation, even where there's hundreds of people in a room
[2020-11-29 12:59:25] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: Ya, but I feel like most poeple that are at end of geeration Y and Z are that way, basically those that had smart phones in thier teens
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[2020-11-30 14:42:50] <Lucifer_arma> you know you've been spending too much time at home when you stop opening the door to check the weather to decide whether or not to wear a jacket and start looking at the weather forecast instead
[2020-11-30 18:21:15] <Lucifer_arma> I really need to be more active.  Hard to believe, to look at me now, that I used to spend my whole work day bent over a car
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