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[2020-07-08 03:09:14] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1125 Add SOCCER_BALL_SLOWDOWN_SYNC_INTERVAL (time between syncs w...
[2020-07-08 05:39:45] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1126 Add ladderlog event SOCCER_GOAL_SCORED and slow ball down wh...
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[2020-07-08 10:30:39] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
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[2020-07-08 10:30:42] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2020-07-08 10:36:17] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
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[2020-07-08 10:43:42] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-07-08 10:43:45] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
[2020-07-08 17:17:03] <Z-Man> luke-jr: I broke it, sorta deliberately. It's dead now.
[2020-07-08 17:18:21] <Lucifer_arma> Did you give luke-jr a chance to give it last rites?
[2020-07-08 17:18:54] <Z-Man> Nope. It's going to Hell anyway.
[2020-07-08 17:19:13] <Lucifer_arma> That's good.  Means I'll see it again.  :)
[2020-07-08 17:19:30] <Z-Man> Individual builds would be broken sporadically for no reason.
[2020-07-08 17:20:02] <Lucifer_arma> well, we can't use buildbot until they change the master/slave language, because apparently we're no longer allowed to use that
[2020-07-08 17:20:48] <Z-Man> We have GitLab CI. Slave free.
[2020-07-08 17:21:17] <Lucifer_arma> nice!
[2020-07-08 17:21:32] <Lucifer_arma> I'm considering submitting a patch to buildbot that'll change it from master/slave to lord/serf
[2020-07-08 17:21:34] <Z-Man> Now that you mention that, we do have Master Servers, the master git branch (no slaves anywhere, though), but at least one black/whitelist.
[2020-07-08 17:21:57] <Z-Man> Helpful.
[2020-07-08 17:22:30] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not willing to go after any of that.  While we're reckoning with race issues, we also need to understand when the language is appropriate, not just declaring all of it bad
[2020-07-08 17:23:10] <Lucifer_arma> we could rename master servers.  The name is out of date, because it used to refer literally to a single server.  Now it's a network of peer servers performing a lookup job
[2020-07-08 17:23:27] <Z-Man> I was leaning the same way. I'm willing to be conviced otherwise, that the tech language used influences minds the wrong way.
[2020-07-08 17:23:46] <Z-Man> Yeah, they should be Supreme Servers.
[2020-07-08 17:24:14] <Z-Man> Metaserver is a popular real name for things doing their job.
[2020-07-08 17:24:17] <Lucifer_arma> I'd also like to see a solid argument against simply teaching the dichotomy that black/white comes from.  If there's any race part of it, we can and should transition it to the day/night dichotomy
[2020-07-08 17:24:53] <Lucifer_arma> because blacklist/whitelist makes more sense in view of the day/night cycle than black people/white people thing
[2020-07-08 17:25:41] <Lucifer_arma> I honestly just hate the name metaserver.  If you wanted to just do a switch to that, I wouldn't try to stop it, but I'd rather pick a different name.  It's an esthetic thing.
[2020-07-08 17:26:02] <Lucifer_arma> Also, moving away from the "Master Server" name might free us from people calling for universal bans enacted in the master servers :)
[2020-07-08 17:26:43] <Z-Man> Have black/whitelist a reason behind their name? I never bothered to look them up.
[2020-07-08 17:27:23] <Lucifer_arma> as far as I know, and while i"ve never looked it up, I feel pretty solid about this, black/whitelist come from black = evil and white = good, which in turn comes from day/night
[2020-07-08 17:27:27] <Z-Man> Would there be a good general replacement for 'whitelist'? "guest list" would work in some settings, if you're not on it, you're not getting in.
[2020-07-08 17:27:37] <Lucifer_arma> in most mythologies, the god of night is evil and the sun god is good, after all
[2020-07-08 17:27:50] <Lucifer_arma> apache already has deny/allow lists
[2020-07-08 17:28:11] <Lucifer_arma> which, as language, makes perfect sense for a webserver rather than the more general black/whitelist
[2020-07-08 17:29:07] <Z-Man> That's a more sophisticated filtering than simple lists, though.
[2020-07-08 17:29:13] <Z-Man> You set a default policy
[2020-07-08 17:29:34] <Z-Man> then define allow and deny overrides in any order
[2020-07-08 17:29:51] <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  Which is where I got a little hung up thinking about it.
[2020-07-08 17:30:08] <Lucifer_arma> here's one: in every context where we use blacklist, does "banlist" also describe the list?
[2020-07-08 17:30:29] <Z-Man> and you can have arbitrarily long chains of 'by default, you're in. But by this criterion, you're out! But hang on, by this more specific criterion, you're in anyway" changes.
[2020-07-08 17:30:52] <Z-Man> We only have them for allowed/blocked authorities, IIRC.
[2020-07-08 17:31:21] <Z-Man> Ah, I'm on Z-Girl bedtime duty. Back in a bit.
[2020-07-08 17:31:33] <Lucifer_arma> then we could just go with blocked list and allowed list, with the formal long names being blocked authority list and allowed authority list
[2020-07-08 17:31:45] <Z-Man> Right, I wanted to spam the Steam Store page link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1306180/Retrocycles/
[2020-07-08 17:31:54] <Z-Man> Whishlist it!
[2020-07-08 17:33:33] <Lucifer_arma> sweeeeet
[2020-07-08 17:33:57] <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna run off and smoke a few cigarettes.  I'm actually waiting for my son to get off work so we can go to the RV and get some information/tools
[2020-07-08 17:46:33] <guru3> Z-Man: amazing :D
[2020-07-08 18:12:23] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] r1337 Unifying steam image update
[2020-07-08 18:24:02] <guru3> "More Like this" lists Rocket League, Assetto Corsa, Wreckfest, Dirt Rally 2, NFS Heat, The Crew 2, Golf With Your Friends, iRacing, F1 2019, Assetto Corsa Competizione, GTA V, and CS:GO
[2020-07-08 18:24:21] <guru3> I'm thinking the Steam algorithm might not quite have dialed in on Retrocycles yet
[2020-07-08 18:37:46] <Armanelgtron> I mean... "Rocket League": we have Styball, heh
[2020-07-08 18:42:30] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] r1338 Rebrand Windows storage directories...
[2020-07-08 19:00:57] <luke-jr> Z-Man: the real question is, is it truly a blacklist at all? whitelist is well-defined, but blacklist has multiple meanings which sometimes are a bad fit
[2020-07-08 19:01:24] <luke-jr> (renaming stuff because people wilfully choose to misinterpret it is just dumb tho)
[2020-07-08 19:42:44] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] r1339 Correct forum links
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[2020-07-08 21:43:08] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1128 Add toggable CanRespawn check to RESPAWN via RESPAWN_STRICT.... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1127 Add braking output to PLAYER_GRIDPOS and add SET_PLAYER_BRAK...
[2020-07-08 22:43:18] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1130 Alias PLAYER_CENTER_MESSAGE to CENTER_PLAYER_MESSAGE. It's a... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1129 Fix a few warnings...

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