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[05:26:07] <Lucifer_arma> Ok, I think I should go to the ER
[05:26:45] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not "emergency emergency danger will robinson!"
[05:27:12] <Lucifer_arma> but I just spoke to someone representing the hospital ER I can walk to, and he told me they'd give me medications to stabilize me
[05:27:15] <Lucifer_arma> which I badly need
[05:28:01] <Lucifer_arma> but in case he was wrong, or I don't have the experience we just talked about, I should be ready to go back to the mentai hospital
[05:28:12] <Lucifer_arma> and I don't want to do that
[05:28:44] <Lucifer_arma> it should never be this difficult to determine if you should seek medical attention, ftr
[05:41:30] <physkets> Lucifer_arma: What's wrong?
[05:42:47] <Lucifer_arma> physkets: I'm the mental case around here :)
[05:42:56] <Lucifer_arma> major depressive disorder is the diagnosis
[05:43:10] <Lucifer_arma> I'm out of medications, and have been out for a week or so.
[05:43:53] <Lucifer_arma> The problem is this:  to get an ER to pay attention, you typically have to be suicidal.  I'm not currently suicidal, but I'm experiencing a lot of emotional distress, caused by the depression
[05:44:22] <Lucifer_arma> I need medications, they were working.  When I got out of the hospital the last time, a few weeks ago, I had prescriptions, and I took them
[05:45:09] <Lucifer_arma> now they're empty, and I'm having problems with it.  I've been looking for a psychiatrist, who could keep the meds flowing, and also provide therapy
[05:45:40] <Lucifer_arma> but I haven't found one.  So I'm out in the wind, needing something I don't have.  Leading to the question, can I go to an ER and get the medications prescribed again?
[05:45:54] <Lucifer_arma> or do I have to go to another mental hospital to get anybody to pay attention?
[05:46:20] <Lucifer_arma> I just got off the phone with a representative of the nearest ER to me who said I can go and get the prescriptions done again
[05:47:00] <Lucifer_arma> but I don't know if that'll actually happen.  I need to go down there expecting to be hospitalized again, which I don't need right now.
[05:47:27] <Lucifer_arma> but if that's what it takes, it's a lot better than doing what I've been doing.
[05:48:49] <Lucifer_arma> and, of course, I continue looking for a psychiatrist, but at this piont, there's a possiblity I have one, I just have to keep my shit together for a couple more days to answer a phone call,
[05:48:57] <Lucifer_arma> then a couple more weeks for the first appointment
[05:49:30] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if I'll make it that far, but I *do* know that if I go to the hospital tonight, and get sent to a mental hospital, I'll miss the call.
[05:50:12] <Lucifer_arma> so, yeah, the US healthcare situation is still fucked up.  Obama didn't "fix" it, he just extended care to people who didn't have it.  I have it, and I'm still out in the wind.
[05:50:50] <Lucifer_arma> ok, physkets, your turn.  I filled the screen.  :)
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[06:03:03] <Lucifer_arma> bye Short_Dicka
[06:03:45] <Lucifer_arma> 'night physkets
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[06:08:44] <physkets> Is it that hard to find a psychiatrist?
[06:09:39] <Lucifer_arma> yes.
[06:10:00] <Lucifer_arma> there aren't that many, and I'm transportation challenged
[06:10:26] <physkets> ah... I see... I didn't know that
[06:10:39] <physkets> I thought the situation in the US was better than most places
[06:10:46] <Lucifer_arma> remember, I'm US, so I live in a car-driven society.  But I can't legally drive a car, even though I own one.  So I can walk, take the bus (our bus system sucks), or ride my bike (which is a bit better than a bicycle)
[06:10:55] <Lucifer_arma> no, the situation in the US is deplorable
[06:11:09] <physkets> oh yes, I've heard that the public transport situation there is bad
[06:11:21] <Lucifer_arma> when you see pundits arguing over healthcare/public transportation, they're comparing themselves to the worst countries in the world
[06:11:45] <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm in Austin, TX, which is the worst of the worst.  You can live on public transportation in new york city
[06:12:18] <Lucifer_arma> but not here.  This is urban sprawl central, except for D/FW, which is another metropolitan area in the same state
[06:12:45] <physkets> Ya, I used to have a fried at College Station, TX... he'd tell me about that
[06:12:50] <Lucifer_arma> but psychiatrists are a bit hard to come by
[06:13:18] <Lucifer_arma> ah, yes, Texas A&M.  The rivarly between UT (located here in Austin) and A&M is legendary.
[06:13:31] <Lucifer_arma> and worth more money than establishing a decent public transportation system
[06:13:40] <physkets> hahaha
[06:13:47] <Lucifer_arma> and we've recently become quite a focus on our economic value
[06:13:56] <physkets> how so?
[06:14:09] <Lucifer_arma> and our public transportation is still oriented around transporting black people to jobs in white neighborhoods
[06:14:27] <Lucifer_arma> we're becoming competitive with silicon valley
[06:15:02] <Lucifer_arma> we call ourselves silicon hills, but that label is starting to mean something
[06:15:29] <physkets> so the black-white distinction still exists as geographical demarcations?
[06:15:41] <Lucifer_arma> in Austin, yes, absolutely
[06:15:48] <Lucifer_arma> we're basically completely segregated
[06:16:07] <physkets> ah... that is sad
[06:16:23] <Lucifer_arma> we rely on spanish-speaking immigrants to power our fast food places, and we bus them in from poorer neighborhoods
[06:16:37] <Lucifer_arma> I know, I worked with them recently, because I'm not shy about working :)
[06:17:11] <Lucifer_arma> we've got AMD, Motorola, Freescale, and Oracle all as significant powers here
[06:17:18] <Lucifer_arma> we also have a secondary presence from Apple
[06:17:50] <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, the segration is terrible
[06:18:04] <Lucifer_arma> my wife, who is mixed hispanic/white, has encountered it a bit
[06:18:36] <Lucifer_arma> like, she's a manager at Academy (big sporting goods store), and people pass her up for resolving problems because they think only a white person can solve their problems
[06:18:54] <Lucifer_arma> and she's good at her job, and her ethnic background shouldn't be a part of it
[06:18:58] <Lucifer_arma> but it is
[06:19:02] <physkets> hmmm...
[06:19:05] <Lucifer_arma> it was worse when we were in Kansas
[06:19:38] <Lucifer_arma> and I need my not-white wife's health insurance to find a psychiatrist :)
[06:19:49] <Lucifer_arma> also, I love the crap out of my wife.
[06:20:31] <Lucifer_arma> she's a beautiful person.  She's up there in my life with the likes of Z-man.
[06:20:31] <physkets> what proportions of people of races/nationalities other than black/whitehispanic exist there?
[06:20:43] <physkets> that is very nice :)
[06:21:05] <Lucifer_arma> as a state capital, we're still majority white
[06:21:26] <Lucifer_arma> we have a growing asian presence, and it looks like we're starting our own Chinatown
[06:21:54] <Lucifer_arma> we have a strong Indian presence, which I appreciate, because they have the best spices
[06:22:11] <Lucifer_arma> also, as a people, they're incredibly open, and white people aren't that open
[06:22:22] <Lucifer_arma> I'm a white guy, if you didn't know that already.
[06:23:03] <Lucifer_arma> we've always had a solid hispanic presence, which has been growing, and is a Good Thing
[06:23:29] <Lucifer_arma> I just dont' get white supremicists who are complaining about being displaced.  I've never once met a hispanic person who thought I shouldn't be able to get a job.
[06:23:46] <Lucifer_arma> but I've met white people who thought hispanic people shouldn't be allowed to work.
[06:24:17] <Lucifer_arma> so I'm curious, physkets, where are you?  What's your national/ethnic background?
[06:25:56] <physkets> I'm in&from India
[06:26:11] <Lucifer_arma> what part?  out of curiosity....
[06:26:29] <physkets> a city by the name of Hyderabad
[06:26:59] <Lucifer_arma> so not calcutta or delhi :)
[06:27:12] <physkets> nope... this is in the south of the country
[06:27:31] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I worked for an Indian lady, who was also Moslem.  Do you have a particular religious affiliation?
[06:27:46] <physkets> nopes... irrelegious
[06:28:08] <physkets> How about you?
[06:28:11] <Lucifer_arma> how common is that?  Over here in the white world, we assume Indians are very religious, but have no idea what religion that is.
[06:28:30] <Lucifer_arma> I'm an atheist, unless luke-jr asks, in which case I worship Satan.
[06:28:41] <physkets> haha
[06:28:54] <physkets> Hinduism is a fairly common religion, closely followed by Islam
[06:29:11] <physkets> and atheists are sligtly rare, but a growing (I hope)
[06:29:33] <Lucifer_arma> One of the people I've met that demands my respect is actually an older practicioner of hinduism
[06:30:18] <Lucifer_arma> also, my former boss, she was awesome.  If she could represent Islam to the US, we'd quit bombing moslems.  That's how awesome she is.
[06:30:44] <physkets> thing is, most religious people are peacefull. It is the few that believe that everyone must hold the same faith as them, that are the problem
[06:30:46] <Lucifer_arma> so, are you "out" as an atheist?
[06:31:00] <Lucifer_arma> that's totally true.
[06:31:32] <Lucifer_arma> I'm curious, because I came out as an atheist in a religiously repressed town, Christianity being the religion.
[06:31:33] <physkets> to my family? Well, my parents, yes... but not further than that, I think
[06:31:56] <physkets> I'm not sure if the extended family knows
[06:32:03] <Lucifer_arma> are you afraid of a backlash, or do you know there's a backlash and you just don't want to deal with it?
[06:32:04] <physkets> my grandmother has suspiscions
[06:32:19] <physkets> oh nono... no chances of any backlash
[06:32:29] <Lucifer_arma> I took a lot of shit, from family (immediate, even!) and the other people in the town
[06:32:37] <physkets> ah :(
[06:32:51] <Lucifer_arma> I came by my name honestly :)
[06:32:56] <physkets> hahaha
[06:33:38] <physkets> my family may not like it,
[06:33:40] <Lucifer_arma> my parents were split.  It was awesome.
[06:34:02] <physkets> but they'll accept that they can't do anything about it
[06:34:09] <Lucifer_arma> my mom invited the pastor over to talk me out of it, and my dad was like "If that's what he believes, and he's willing to stand by it, he's my kid"
[06:34:27] <physkets> hahaha that is a nice father
[06:34:31] <Lucifer_arma> the pastor came over and was like "Hey, I have atheist friends, can we still be friends?"
[06:34:35] <Lucifer_arma> my mo was pissed
[06:34:39] <physkets> :D
[06:34:40] <Lucifer_arma> she's still pissed
[06:34:43] <Lucifer_arma> fuck her
[06:35:13] <Lucifer_arma> she's trying to cling to a christian kid in the family, and there aren't any left
[06:35:15] <physkets> It is sad the amout of brainwashing that religion performs
[06:35:28] <Lucifer_arma> yes, brainwashing is a big problem
[06:35:42] <Lucifer_arma> I raised my own kids to choose for themselves
[06:36:03] <Lucifer_arma> my oldest has chosen to be Wicca.  And it's still a choice that is probably a rebellion against her parents.
[06:36:25] <Lucifer_arma> I mean, when I was a kid, you could say "atheist" and you're rebelling.  How do you rebel against atheist parents?
[06:36:33] <physkets> whoa... Wicca is all that witchcraft stuff, no?
[06:36:47] <physkets> haha; true
[06:36:54] <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's what it is.  It's another made-up religion.
[06:37:12] <Lucifer_arma> so what do you do when you want to rebel against your parents, but your parents have no religion?
[06:37:30] <Lucifer_arma> So we didn't take Wicca seriously, and we have experience with Wicca, and paganism.
[06:37:31] <physkets> I think atheism is the ground state, and eventually, all will fall
[06:37:41] <Lucifer_arma> actually, have you seen the movie Dragnet?
[06:38:04] <physkets> I'm not sure; if I had atheist parents, then religion wouldn't even be anything I thought about much
[06:38:16] <physkets> Nope... what's the movie about?
[06:38:20] <Lucifer_arma> my two other kids don't care about religion
[06:38:40] <Lucifer_arma> ok, the movie Dragnet is from the '80s, and it was one of those reboot movies
[06:39:07] <Lucifer_arma> they took a crime drama TV series and made a comedy movie, starring Dan Aykroyd and Tom Hanks
[06:39:36] <physkets> I'll look it up
[06:39:44] <Lucifer_arma> at some point in the movie, they (Dan Aykroyd and Tom Hanks) go undercover to a meeting of the PAGANS
[06:40:03] <Lucifer_arma> and PAGAIN stands for "People against goodness and normalcy" or something like that
[06:40:16] <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I came out at 12 as an atheist, and took a lot of shit for it
[06:40:21] <physkets> hahah, oh, I thought elemental worship
[06:40:42] <Lucifer_arma> my oldest brother also moved away from christianity, and ended up with his second Pagain chick (he's married to her now)
[06:41:01] <Lucifer_arma> I found myself living with them, but they were a bit insecure about religion, and they had to push it.
[06:41:16] <physkets> ah... 12? that is early...
[06:41:29] <Lucifer_arma> and for some dumb reason, with my history of being a practicing satanist, and leaving the christian church, they had no idea of any of this
[06:41:57] <Lucifer_arma> so my brother was pushing paganism to me.  Not evangelical, just "Hey, this is who I am, you need to accept it"
[06:42:09] <Lucifer_arma> and at some point, he demanded I know what being pagain is
[06:42:20] <physkets> okay, and what was it?
[06:42:29] <Lucifer_arma> so I said, of course, I know what pagans are, they're "People against goodness and normalcy"
[06:42:38] <physkets> :D
[06:42:40] <Lucifer_arma> and his almost-wife lost her shit
[06:42:44] <Lucifer_arma> it was hilarious
[06:42:59] <physkets> hahahaha
[06:43:02] <Lucifer_arma> my brother had seen the movie, so he knew what I was referencing
[06:43:22] <Lucifer_arma> she's hated my guts ever since, even though he finally got her to see the movie
[06:43:29] <Lucifer_arma> some people can't take a joke
[06:43:50] <physkets> true
[06:43:52] <Lucifer_arma> nor can they respect that *I* paved the way for them to have non-christian beliefs.  I took ALL of the shit.
[06:44:01] <Lucifer_arma> fuck them.  :)
[06:44:28] <Lucifer_arma> I'll keep being Lucifer and getting accused of all sorts of things, like nuking luke-jr's cities
[06:45:00] <Lucifer_arma> (luke-jr is the oppositie of me, he's a fundamentalist catholic, and we've often enjoyed playing games together)
[06:45:54] <Lucifer_arma> I think I have an easier time than you, because you're not open to your whole faimily
[06:46:06] <Lucifer_arma> but at the same time, I'm open to my whole family, and none of them want to talk to me
[06:46:19] <Lucifer_arma> but I live free
[06:46:46] <physkets> I suppose so...
[06:46:51] <Lucifer_arma> except, you know, the beginnign of this conversation, where I need a psychiatrist and some medications, but other than that, I'm fucking free!
[06:47:02] <physkets> :)
[06:47:29] <physkets> I do get asked by my mother, every now and then to visit a temple;
[06:47:34] <physkets> but I firmly refuse
[06:48:03] <physkets> even thought she knows, she can't quite accept it, and hopes that I'll "return"
[06:48:36] <physkets> haven't quite been able to convey that that isn't going to happen
[06:48:44] <Lucifer_arma> that never goes away, so whether or not you accept it actually depends on how much it interferes with your life
[06:49:14] <Lucifer_arma> I'd accept going to church because mom asked, but I also don't see her very often (like every couple of years, before we quit talking)
[06:49:36] <Lucifer_arma> I went to church because my former mother-in-law asked it, but it was for serious family stuff
[06:49:44] <Lucifer_arma> mormon stuff
[06:50:11] <Lucifer_arma> my current mother-in-law is a closeted roman catholic
[06:50:25] <Lucifer_arma> she'd like us to show up for mass and confession, but she knows we won't
[06:50:35] <Lucifer_arma> so she tries to guide us to avoiding "sin"
[06:51:04] <Lucifer_arma> but we're better at doing that than she is, becuase we don't have to deal with the complex moral code that allows Christians to separate families at the border
[06:51:14] <Lucifer_arma> we can easily say "That's bullshit!"
[06:51:23] <Lucifer_arma> we don't need a holy book to tell us that
[06:51:56] <physkets> ya...
[06:52:10] <Lucifer_arma> also, we're in Texas and hating that policy
[06:52:44] <Lucifer_arma> I don't even want to call it "policy", I want to get a fucking AR-15 and shoot the fuck out of politicians
[06:53:55] <Lucifer_arma> where are the second amendment nuts saying we should overthrow a totalitarian government?  Oh wait, they're SUPPORTING this policy?
[06:54:03] <Lucifer_arma> fuck them.  Let's kill them too.
[06:54:08] <Lucifer_arma> that's how I feel, anyway.
[06:55:10] <Lucifer_arma> so, don't be surprised, youv'e met and American who's willing to commit genocide.  No surprise there, nothing to see, please move on.
[06:56:31] <physkets> everyone feels that way about something everyonce in a while
[06:56:57] <Lucifer_arma> true, but I live in a country where we shouldn't ever feel that way
[06:57:28] <Lucifer_arma> or at least, that's what I thought this country was all about.  You know, back when my dad gave his life in service of this country, I thought we shouldn't feel that way.
[06:57:57] <Lucifer_arma> my country has betrayed me
[06:59:12] <Lucifer_arma> I'm no Timathy McVeigh.  I'm not going out to start a violent revolution.
[06:59:29] <Lucifer_arma> I think we need one, but I don't like the prospects.  I think we should stick to our elections.
[07:00:24] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm going to continue looking for a pyschiatrist, and I want to get cleaned up in case I get sent to a mental hospital again
[07:00:52] <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to take the chance, because I need help.  I have really enjoyed talking to you, and I really appreciate this cnoversation
[07:05:14] <physkets> :)
[07:05:29] <physkets> It is nice talking to you.
[12:42:35] <Lucifer_arma> yay, the er gave me more prescriptions
[12:42:54] <Lucifer_arma> would have been nice NOT to spend eight hours there plugged into machines, but who's complaining (besides me)?
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[13:33:50] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [armagetron.py] r2 turn into Python package... || [armagetron.py] r1 add initial files...
[13:40:47] <Lucifer_arma> what's armagetron.py?
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[15:10:40] <wrtlprnft> armagetron.py is a small Python library for processing the ladderlog and chat commands from an Armagetron Advanced server.
[15:11:05] <wrtlprnft> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fkmclane/armagetronad/armagetron.py/files
[15:14:18] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I looked at it up while I was at the pharmacy
[15:14:25] <Lucifer_arma> and here I was hoping someone had started a panda3d port
[15:15:12] <Lucifer_arma> but now I have prescriptions, and I rode my bike, so the motor got good and hot and ran fine
[15:15:21] <Lucifer_arma> which is good because it sat for so long
[15:15:45] <wrtlprnft> ah, you mean an actual motor
[15:15:56] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, there's an 80cc two-stroke motor on my bicycle
[15:16:15] <wrtlprnft> does it make armagetron sounds?
[15:16:18] <Lucifer_arma> it's a single speed bike, so it maxes out around 20mph, which is the legal limit before it's considered a motorcycle and subject to extra regulation
[15:16:27] <Lucifer_arma> nah, but it'd be cool if it did :)
[15:16:41] <Lucifer_arma> I should probably sample the motor from that bike and see about moving it to the arma engine sound
[15:17:01] <Lucifer_arma> I've got a cool lighting kit that makes it look really badass at night
[15:17:30] <Lucifer_arma> green frame, cruiser frame even, with green LEDs wrapped around the frame (plus headlights and a tail light, of course)
[15:17:39] <wrtlprnft> but with doppler effect and all, very realistic for a ~30 km/h object ;-)
[15:17:44] <Lucifer_arma> what I really need is a cooler helmet than the bicycle helmet I wear
[15:18:03] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but we have to change to openAL to get the doppler effect
[15:18:23] <Lucifer_arma> or write it ourselves, and right now the sound mixing code is suffering digital distortion when you put two cycle engine sounds close to each other
[15:18:41] <wrtlprnft> been a long time, but I always thought we had that already
[15:18:50] <Lucifer_arma> nah, still on sdl_mixer
[15:19:07] <wrtlprnft> at least the sound gets modulated in some fashion and I'm really bad at telling what I'm hearing
[15:19:09] <Lucifer_arma> I crapped out before finishing the soundpack resource even
[15:19:33] <Lucifer_arma> the digital distortion is noticeable.  When you encounter someone on the grid complaining, that's the problem they're complaining about
[15:20:31] <wrtlprnft> try putting flashing blue lights on your bike, that should help with traffic
[15:20:49] <Lucifer_arma> I haven't had traffic problems, to be honest.
[15:20:57] <Lucifer_arma> Austin's gotten a lot better at putting in bike lanes and such
[15:21:32] <Lucifer_arma> I usually flash the red tail light
[15:21:48] <Lucifer_arma> the front lights I don't flash because our street lighting sucks and I actually need the headlights to see road hazards and driveways and stuff
[15:23:37] <wrtlprnft> if my bike did anything like what you describe, I would probably get noticed by police
[15:24:14] <wrtlprnft> even though my bike doesn't have a motor and Munich is moving very slowly in terms of being bike-friendly, if at all
[15:24:31] <Lucifer_arma> my bike's legal
[15:24:39] <wrtlprnft> not in germany, it's not ;-)
[15:24:55] <Lucifer_arma> as long as it doesn't go faster than 20mph without pedal assist, it's classed as a bicycle, and subject to the same bicycle laws
[15:25:10] <Lucifer_arma> except for trails that say "no motorized vehicles allowed".  My bike's not allowed on those trails.
[15:25:24] <wrtlprnft> the last “improvement” was some singapore company dumping thousands of crappy rentable bikes everywhere
[15:25:28] <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, I realize this is texas law, but I don't know of a state that actually bans my bike
[15:25:37] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, we had that too
[15:25:45] <Lucifer_arma> then we had the wave of rentable electric scooters
[15:26:03] <Lucifer_arma> probably the same company doing it that you had ;)
[15:26:21] <wrtlprnft> if it was from singapore and not china, then probably yes
[15:26:23] <Lucifer_arma> the electric scooters I've seen aren't legal, though
[15:26:45] <wrtlprnft> how often do they catch fire?
[15:26:48] <Lucifer_arma> they don't have pedals, so they're supposed to be classed as motorcycles, which require safety inspection, liability insurance, registration, and oh yeah a license
[15:27:04] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know.  I built a gas moped, not an electric scooter.  :)
[15:27:31] <Lucifer_arma> $65 for an $80 bike (wife's discount at the sporting goods store where she works), then a $100 kit from Amazon
[15:27:34] <wrtlprnft> probably better in terms of fire safety
[15:27:45] <Lucifer_arma> probably,  air cooled.
[15:28:05] <Lucifer_arma> it's *not* legal for me to park it in my living room, right in front of the fire place, but there's no other place in these apartments I can put it without risking having it stolen
[15:28:45] <wrtlprnft> I've never seen an apartment with a fire place
[15:28:46] <Lucifer_arma> so I park it in the living room and put the oil-and-gas mixture on the balcony, and my leasing manager trusts me to take care of this stuff because I used to be a mechanic :)
[15:29:11] <Lucifer_arma> fireplaces are standard here, and mostly decorative, because, well, it's Texas.  I live in the NW corner of the hottest region on the planet.
[15:29:41] <Lucifer_arma> (measured in terms of Joules/meter^3)
[15:29:42] <wrtlprnft> which probably means than when it actually gets cold, you have crappy insulation and really need the fireplace
[15:30:02] <Lucifer_arma> crappy insulation, yes, but it rarely drops below 40F here
[15:30:17] <wrtlprnft> let me look that up real quick
[15:30:19] <Lucifer_arma> and with climate change, we're hitting 100+F most summer days, spring, and some fall days
[15:30:27] <Lucifer_arma> I'd guess around 6C
[15:30:40] <wrtlprnft> 4.4, impressive
[15:30:42] <Lucifer_arma> 100F is around 35C
[15:30:56] <wrtlprnft> and -50 is around -50, that's the two points I know
[15:31:17] <Lucifer_arma> if I'd have done the shorthand, I'd have gotten 4C :)
[15:31:32] <Lucifer_arma> you subtract 32, then divide by two to get celsius
[15:31:43] <Lucifer_arma> the actual ratio is 9/5
[15:32:49] <Lucifer_arma> and if climate change shuts down the gulf stream (that's it, right?) then y'all are going to be covered in glaciers
[15:32:53] <wrtlprnft> I'll probably never remember that. But I do know the ratio for inches, because that's more relevant for me
[15:33:19] <wrtlprnft> yeah, that's one theory
[15:33:24] <Lucifer_arma> I'll be burning up in 40C weather, and y'all will be lucky to go over 0C
[15:33:35] <wrtlprnft> so the netherlands can be under ice instead of under water
[15:33:48] <Lucifer_arma> at least they won't have to build new barriers :)
[15:34:01] <Lucifer_arma> meanwhile, we might actually get hurricanes hitting us, heh
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[15:34:33] <Lucifer_arma> Austin is shielded from hurricanes right now, due to a high pressure zone that sets in before hurricane season starts
[15:34:39] <Lucifer_arma> but once that's disrupted, we're fucked
[15:35:17] <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking I want to move my family to New Mexico, but it's awefully tempting to buy shit property out in Bastrop
[15:35:29] <Lucifer_arma> because I could hand it down to my kids as a coastal property worth a shit-ton of money
[15:35:40] <wrtlprnft> isn't austin a bit too far from the coast?
[15:35:57] <Lucifer_arma> the worst case scenarios have the ocean rising enough to make Austin a coastal city
[15:36:12] <Lucifer_arma> not a deep water port, of course, but still coastal
[15:36:18] <wrtlprnft> then you can live in that city whose name I'll never be able to spell correctly
[15:36:32] <Lucifer_arma> which city is that?
[15:36:40] <Lucifer_arma> Albuquerque?
[15:36:59] <wrtlprnft> probably ;-)
[15:37:22] <Lucifer_arma> if we decide to leave Texas due to climate change, I'm inclined to go to either Santa Fe or Cloudcroft, or somewhere in the Tularosa basin
[15:37:36] <Lucifer_arma> that area will become prime property because it's protected from the rising sea levels
[15:37:38] <wrtlprnft> then one with the weird al song and breaking bad
[15:37:50] <Lucifer_arma> That's albuquerque
[15:37:57] <Lucifer_arma> same one that Bugs Bunny should've turned left at
[15:38:20] <Lucifer_arma> it's a beautiful city.  It has a historic downtown area with all sorts of spanish construction from when it was just a mission
[15:38:50] <Lucifer_arma> and UNM is a beautiful university.  More so than UT.
[15:39:08] <Lucifer_arma> not that my wife would ever admit that, being an Austin native and all ;)
[15:39:30] <Lucifer_arma> but Santa Fe is easily the most beautiful city I've ever seen
[15:39:52] * wrtlprnft is just looking at a map, and is amazed by gila national forest being all pixelated and cleanly cut off at the boarder
[15:39:56] <Lucifer_arma> and I've visited most of the major cities west of the mississippi river
[15:40:35] <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, the national forest areas are kind of poorly covered by google maps
[15:41:04] <wrtlprnft> so it's not really cut off? I wouldn't have actually been that surprised
[15:41:09] <Lucifer_arma> that may be government intervention, though.  New Mexico's second most important industry is the military, so there's no telling what's in those forests.
[15:41:28] <Lucifer_arma> it may be cut off right now, there were some wildfires that went through that area
[15:41:43] <Lucifer_arma> burned right into Albq proper
[15:41:51] <Lucifer_arma> y'know, climate change
[15:42:07] <Lucifer_arma> less rainfall in the deserts means drier trees, which means more fires
[15:42:26] <Lucifer_arma> have I mentioned that there's an entire half of this country that are raving idiots for denying climate change?
[15:42:42] <Lucifer_arma> they're determined to fuck up the entire world, and there's not a damn thing I can do about it except to keep voting
[15:42:47] <wrtlprnft> aren't they the same one sthat live in this area?
[15:42:53] <Lucifer_arma> yep, same ones
[15:43:10] <Lucifer_arma> idiots
[15:43:23] <Lucifer_arma> although, NM went for Obama both times, I think
[15:43:38] <Lucifer_arma> but they definitely went for Trump, those fucking assholes
[15:44:11] <Lucifer_arma> I love my country, but I really don't like a lot of people in it, heh.
[15:44:20] <Lucifer_arma> I also hate how we pick our presidents.
[15:44:26] <wrtlprnft> well, he's certainly more entertaining than obama was
[15:44:38] <Lucifer_arma> at this point, if Macron and Merkel need a job, I'd rather put them in charge
[15:44:53] <Lucifer_arma> he's the fucking president, he's not supposed to be entertaining, he's supposed to do his fucking job
[15:45:27] <Lucifer_arma> as much as I hated Bush being president, I kind of wish he could be president again now
[15:45:53] <Lucifer_arma> at least he did his job, even if I didn't like how he did it
[15:46:01] <wrtlprnft> let's see if trump gets a second term
[15:46:28] <wrtlprnft> in that case, I'll know that at least around 50 % of americans are incapable of learning
[15:46:31] <Lucifer_arma> the problem is the way the system works, it favors the sitting president.  It's really hard to unseat the sitting president.
[15:46:49] <wrtlprnft> but it has happened before
[15:46:52] <Lucifer_arma> we call it the Bully Pulpit.
[15:46:58] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Clinton unseated the first Bush
[15:47:05] <Lucifer_arma> Reagen unseated Carter
[15:47:34] <wrtlprnft> and you also managed to kill two presidents if I remember correctly
[15:47:34] <Lucifer_arma> but even with popular support going against the Iraq war, John Kerry couldn't take out the second Bush
[15:48:08] <Lucifer_arma> and Clinton should've won, but she ran such a shitty campaign, which is what I was worried about
[15:48:22] <Lucifer_arma> she got taken down by Obama during the '08 primaries because she ran a shitty campaign
[15:48:48] <Lucifer_arma> how in the hell do you get the single most qualified individual to run for president that hasn't actually served as president, and she loses to that jackass from the Apprentice?
[15:49:21] <wrtlprnft> run a shitty campaign?
[15:49:24] <Lucifer_arma> if you think I'm still angry about that, you'd be right
[15:49:28] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what she did
[15:49:42] <Lucifer_arma> she took for granted a number of states that all ended up going for Trump
[15:49:52] <Lucifer_arma> another thing I want to complain about.  We're not done fighting the civil war.
[15:50:16] <Lucifer_arma> slavery isn't truly over.  Not when we give every state, regardless of size, two senators.  That was a compromise made to appease slave states in 1780.
[15:50:24] <Lucifer_arma> and we're still living with the consequences of that compromise.
[15:50:54] <Lucifer_arma> so we still haven't completely repealed slavery
[15:51:15] <Lucifer_arma> and we won't, not until we fix the senate
[15:51:18] <wrtlprnft> is that even a good deal for the former slave states?
[15:51:34] <Lucifer_arma> most of them would get more representation than they have now
[15:51:56] <wrtlprnft> so it's a bad deal, that makes more sense
[15:51:57] <Lucifer_arma> but big states like california and Texas would get a LOT more representation than they have now
[15:52:30] <Lucifer_arma> short of rewriting the senate, the only way we can "fix" it is to break down the big states into smaller states
[15:52:49] <wrtlprnft> and while you're at it, you could remove that all-or-nothing rule
[15:52:59] <Lucifer_arma> which california's trying to do, but their odds aren't great
[15:53:10] <Lucifer_arma> a lot of liberal texans want to break up Texas so we can send more democrats to the senate
[15:53:18] <Lucifer_arma> I'm one of them :)
[15:53:34] <Lucifer_arma> the all-or-nothing rule is by state.  There are a few states that don't do that.
[15:53:48] <wrtlprnft> so, just break it into 50 pieces and you'll always have majority
[15:54:11] <Lucifer_arma> also, there's the interstate compact, where states pass laws saying that their electoral college votes go to the winner of the popular vote, and when enough states pass it to equal 270 votes, it goes into effect
[15:54:40] <Lucifer_arma> I think right now they only have like 160 votes, so it's not in effect yet
[15:55:18] <Lucifer_arma> heh, it's gotta get through congress still
[15:55:38] <Lucifer_arma> the process is basically pass a state constitutional amendment making it happen, then send it to Congress to approve.
[15:56:00] <Lucifer_arma> when/if congress approves, then it takes effect.  And congress has plenty of reason to not approve any such measure.
[15:56:19] <Lucifer_arma> if california breaks up, republicans will gain two senators from there, but democrats will gain four
[15:56:48] <Lucifer_arma> basically, the only way congress would approve california breaking up is if texas also breaks up, in a way that balances the senate
[15:57:14] <Lucifer_arma> and the will isn't here to do that, because most of the population of Texas is in liberal areas, but we're still outnumbered slightly by conservatives
[15:57:23] <Lucifer_arma> Texas is a non-voting blue state
[15:57:57] <Lucifer_arma> but if we broke up into four states, you'd see DFW going into one, Austin and Houston going into another, and El Paso going into a third, with south texas getting its own state
[15:58:17] <Lucifer_arma> that would result in 6 likely democrat senators, and there's no way congress is going to approve that
[15:58:42] <wrtlprnft> it would definitely be interesting… hasn't the US had 50 states for basically forever?
[15:58:52] <Lucifer_arma> nah, since the 60s, I believe
[15:59:01] <Lucifer_arma> Alaska and Hawaii were the last two states admitted
[15:59:18] <Lucifer_arma> and both were after WWII.  The famous Pearl Harbor attack happened before Hawaii was a state.
[15:59:45] <wrtlprnft> so during WWII, the american flag hat fewer stars?
[15:59:52] <Lucifer_arma> but if we accepted both Puerto Rico and Washington DC as states (as both have tried to make happen), that'd send four likely democrat senators to congress
[15:59:59] <Lucifer_arma> yep, it had 48.
[16:00:20] <Lucifer_arma> so all those WWII movies that show a 50-star flag aren't historically accurate :)
[16:00:57] <wrtlprnft> huh, I really didn't know that it changed that often
[16:01:08] <Lucifer_arma> and puerto rico badly needs to become a state, and have the federal government assume their debt
[16:01:13] <Lucifer_arma> they're fucked otherwise
[16:01:15] <wrtlprnft> I've always figured that the flag came into being after all states had joined
[16:01:22] <Lucifer_arma> nah
[16:01:30] <Lucifer_arma> it started with 13 stars
[16:01:47] <Lucifer_arma> even though there were only 12 colonies that rebelled against Britain
[16:01:57] <wrtlprnft> and sometimes it hatds it stars arranged in the shape of a star, it seems
[16:01:58] <Lucifer_arma> one of those colonies split up during ratification of the new constitution, iirc.
[16:02:08] <Lucifer_arma> circle, initially
[16:03:01] <wrtlprnft> they even changed the number of stripes temporarily?
[16:03:15] <Lucifer_arma> the actual confederate flag, with the stars and bars but a mostly white flag (representing white supremacy, but often taken as a flag of surrender :)  ) had stars for each confederate state
[16:03:27] <Lucifer_arma> I don't remember about the stripes.  I thought there were always 13 stripes
[16:03:44] <wrtlprnft> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_flag#Historical_progression_of_designs
[16:03:45] <Lucifer_arma> the stripes are supposed to represent the original 13 states
[16:05:01] <Lucifer_arma> I see what you mean by different star patterns
[16:05:06] <Lucifer_arma> I'm still counting thirteen stripes
[16:05:14] <wrtlprnft> third row
[16:05:23] <wrtlprnft> May 1, 1795 – July 3, 1818
[16:06:00] <Lucifer_arma> stripes matches stars in that row
[16:07:23] <Lucifer_arma> we are in the longest period since new states have been admitted, I'm noticing
[16:07:48] <Lucifer_arma> which is really too bad.  We need to fix the obvious flaws in our constitution, and then make it possible for Canada and Mexico to join
[16:07:51] <wrtlprnft> it's explained in the article
[16:07:55] <Lucifer_arma> forget Nafta, let's just all become one country
[16:08:33] <wrtlprnft> they initially had both stars and stripes representing states, and then stopped changing the flag altogether for fear of too many stripes
[16:08:47] <wrtlprnft> and then the started using that colonies-states scheme
[16:09:21] <wrtlprnft> *they
[16:10:49] <Lucifer_arma> I see that
[16:10:52] <Lucifer_arma> that's interesting
[16:11:07] <Lucifer_arma> it's not terribly interesting, I mean, it's just a flag, after all ;)
[16:11:21] <Lucifer_arma> I wonder what's the longest flag still in use today?
[16:11:40] <Lucifer_arma> I'd consider the american flag from the first stars and bars to be continuous
[16:12:06] <Lucifer_arma> it's probably someone like the netherlands, heh
[16:12:55] <wrtlprnft> maybe the white flag is not too far off
[16:13:55] <Lucifer_arma> looks like it's Denmark
[16:14:53] <Lucifer_arma> I take it back, it looks like it's Scotland
[16:16:36] <Lucifer_arma> no, it's still denmark.  I guess Scotland changed their flag at some point?
[16:19:38] <wrtlprnft> wikipedia says denmark, so that must be right
[16:21:01] <Lucifer_arma> I found a different page, but it cites the Guinness book of world records
[16:21:10] <Lucifer_arma> which is *never* wrong, except for when it is.
[16:24:28] <Lucifer_arma> here's a random question for you, wrtlprnft, and any other german who cares to answer
[16:24:45] <Lucifer_arma> are y'all using the same constitution as the weimar republic, or did you get a new constitution after WWII?
[16:25:30] <wrtlprnft> I'm pretty sure it's new
[16:26:33] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm a look it up.  :)
[16:32:20] <Lucifer_arma> yep, new one
[16:32:30] <Lucifer_arma> ratified/approved in 1948, looks like
[16:32:52] <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't look like the US/UK/France forced a particular constitution, though, which is kind of odd for the US to not do
[16:33:07] <Lucifer_arma> since, you know, we have a solid history of occupying countries and then dictating their constitutions to them
[16:36:44] <Lucifer_arma> well that's interesting.  Apparently y'all have an explicit right to overthrow your government if there's no other way to fix it when it's broken
[16:38:33] <Lucifer_arma> hah, and we have the right to overthrow the Texas government, but not the US government
[16:39:30] <Lucifer_arma> maybe we should get a bunch of liberals with assault rifles to storm the governor's mansion and the capitol building while the legislation is in session and declare the government void
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[19:22:01] <Lucifer_arma> I finally learned the name of the piece called Fur Elise
[19:22:20] <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I already knew the name, I just finally can place the tune with the name
[19:22:29] <Lucifer_arma> I'd hum it, but humming doesn't really work in irc
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