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00:28 <noob13> .sd fort
00:28 <tronner> noob13: Wild West  =Fortress Shootout=: Players (7/12): -=}ID< ßµ||£, -=}ID< Nut, Kenny, lagger, Runner, Ryoko Asakura, Ww_Compguygene (compguygene@forums)
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00:28 <noob13> how fast can a rocket travel to the moon?
00:29 <ct|kyle> noob13: fast (if it is travelling fast)
00:30 <noob13> you heard about nasa bombing the moon tomorrow?
00:30 <noob13> apparently it will get there in 1.5 hours
00:30 <noob13> is that possible?
00:30 <ct|kyle> noob13: yes the rocket is already in orbit it thought
00:31 <noob13> oh, right..
00:31 <noob13> well that explains..
00:31 <ct|kyle> they launched about the same time the last shuttle mission did
00:31 <Vanhayes> ha your guy's leader is trying to get free healthcare and ours is singing the beatles with yo yo ma   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOt2Qp0H9G8   <--Ha
00:31 <ct|kyle> noob13: in 13 hours it impacts
00:32 <Vanhayes> sorry just saw that and had to say something
00:32 <ct|kyle> noob13: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/main/index.html
00:32 <noob13> ct|kyle: indeed, i did the math just now too ;)
00:32 <Vanhayes> wait whay is nasa bombing the moon?
00:32 <ct|kyle> yes
00:32 <Vanhayes> why*
00:32 <ct|kyle> to find h1 particales
00:33 <ct|kyle> or even h20
00:33 <noob13> to confirm the presence of water, yes..
00:33 <Vanhayes> that just seems like a bad idea
00:33 <noob13> thats what i thought too :P
00:33 <ct|kyle> I've been watcing out for this mission since the google lunarx topic on forums
00:33 <Vanhayes> something out of a comic booko or james bomb movie
00:33 <Flex> nasa bombing the moon? haha
00:34 <noob13> it'll apparently make a 4 meter deep dent... seems awfully pointless
00:34 <Vanhayes> hmm so its around 6:15 est am tommorow?
00:34 <noob13> EDT*
00:34 <noob13> whatever that is
00:34 <ct|kyle> 7:31 a.m. EDT/
00:34 <noob13> ^impact time, yes
00:34 <ct|kyle> 6:15 is whne nasa coverage starts
00:35 <Vanhayes> ah ok
00:35 <noob13> there's a live stream of it online :)
00:35  * ct|kyle sets up tvo
00:35 <Vanhayes> ill probably be up around then if that is eastern time
00:35 <ct|kyle> I'm lazy
00:35 <Vanhayes> i always thought it was est eastern standard time
00:36 <Vanhayes> well im on atlantice so it will be 7 15 and 8 15
00:36 <Vanhayes> atlantic
00:36 <Vanhayes> *
00:36 <Vanhayes> horrible with typos today
00:44 <ct|kyle> Vanhayes: EST in winter EDT in summer
00:44 <ct|kyle> Easters Daylight time
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01:39 <Vanhayes_> .as
01:39 <tronner> Vanhayes_: This data is 84 seconds old; Wild West  =High Rubber= (10/16), Crazy Tronners Open Sumo (10/12), ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Mega Fortress (9/32), The YELLOW Submarine (8/12), |FA| Black Tar! (7/16), Swampland Mud Puddle (7/8), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (6/10), -=F²=- Fatal Force Sumo Server (6/12), ~Wild Night~ (5/10), The Tanning Salon (4/10), OBSI'S-->-=FRIENDLYZONEPLS=-<--OBSI'S (2/10), Wild West  =CTF (1 more message)
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04:33 <ct|kyle> .google calc 2,200kg in tons
04:33 <tronner> ct|kyle: 2200 kilograms = 2.42508488 short tons
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04:55 <ct|kyle> oi Ww_compguygene :)
04:57 <Ww_compguygene> hi kyle :)
04:57 <Ww_compguygene> turns out my trunk binary compile did not work... :(
04:57 <luke-jr_> ...
04:57 <Ww_compguygene> but I am giving up for now and going back to the project i was working on
04:57 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: you are tying the merged one right?
04:57 <Ww_compguygene> yes
04:58 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: that's because there is an error when merging
04:58 <Ww_compguygene> yes, i saw that, how do i fix that?
04:58 <ct|kyle> with zZone.h
04:58 <ct|kyle> I'll just pastebin mine
04:58 <Ww_compguygene> ty
04:58 <Ww_compguygene> whoopee
04:59 <Ww_compguygene> hi luke, have a question
05:00 <Ww_compguygene> i have setup a basic resource server, and would like to setup a full repository mirro
05:00 <Ww_compguygene> mirror
05:00 <luke-jr_> cool
05:00 <Ww_compguygene> the wiki says that I need to ask for a mirro number
05:00 <luke-jr_> unfortunately, I *think* you need to wait for the master to be restored
05:00 <luke-jr_> oh, yeah
05:00 <luke-jr_> I can do that
05:00 <Ww_compguygene> i figure it is one way to give back
05:00 <Ww_compguygene> yeah
05:00 <Ww_compguygene> i assumed that aabeta needs to be restored
05:01 <luke-jr_> Ww_compguygene: you get nine
05:01 <Ww_compguygene> ok
05:01 <Ww_compguygene> and just to clarify
05:01 <Ww_compguygene> in the vhosts settings, i use "nine" correct?
05:01 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: http://pastebin.com/m6a78b79a
05:01 <luke-jr_> nine.something
05:01 <luke-jr_> but yes
05:01 <Ww_compguygene> just wanted to make sure
05:02 <Ww_compguygene> i understand it is quite a process for aabeta to be moved and setup in a new location
05:02 <luke-jr_> not really
05:02 <luke-jr_> just nobody has time I guess
05:02 <Ww_compguygene> oh, good to hear
05:02 <Ww_compguygene> well, i was thinking in terms of time, not technical ability
05:03  * Ww_compguygene knows that this is a volunteer effort, and people have actual lives too
05:03 <luke-jr_> you also ensured I had to work more with non-Arma-related work with your semi-hobby company, but oh well
05:04 <luke-jr_> more hosting biz for me gives me more time to work on the game, after all
05:04 <ct|kyle> is there an easy way to get the player's wall colour in ePlayer.cpp  other than doing what it is ePlayerNetID::Color
05:05 <luke-jr_> ct|kyle: no, for a good reason
05:05 <Ww_compguygene> well, our customers are very happy with the level of support that they are getting, though most of it is in the initial stages of setup, etc.
05:05 <ct|kyle> luke-jr_: what's the good reason
05:05 <luke-jr_> or maybe not for a good reason, but such good reason does exist regardless
05:05 <luke-jr_> ct|kyle: why assume the walls will be a single colour? :)
05:05 <ct|kyle> luke-jr_: I guess I want the players name colour
05:05 <ct|kyle> wich usually matches the wall
05:06 <luke-jr_> oooh
05:06 <luke-jr_> ct|kyle: you just made me think of a new game feature
05:06 <ct|kyle> I forgot sometimes you can have those not match
05:06 <luke-jr_> if only I had time to write it :(
05:06 <luke-jr_> think breakout
05:07 <luke-jr_> the first time someone crashes into your wall, it changes colour
05:07 <luke-jr_> the second time, it breaks
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05:07 <luke-jr_> obviously only suitable for a respawn game, like CTF
05:07 <ct|kyle> ya
05:08 <ct|kyle> king of the hill too luke-jr_
05:08 <ct|kyle> but is there an easy way to get the colour that a players name shows up with
05:08 <luke-jr_> maybe have a breakout game mode even
05:08 <luke-jr_> where the grid is split in two halves
05:09 <luke-jr_> the top team cannot pass through the bottom of the left side
05:09 <luke-jr_> and the bottom team cannot pass through the top of the right side
05:09 <luke-jr_> oh well, I can go on dreaming
05:09 <luke-jr_> :(
05:10 <ct|kyle> ya I've always wanted to do more with walls
05:10 <luke-jr_> hehe
05:11 <luke-jr_> I want my cycle to draw a sine wave behind me.
05:11 <luke-jr_> instead of a straight line
05:11 <luke-jr_> <.<
05:11 <Ww_compguygene> that certainly sounds cool
05:11 <luke-jr_> the ultimate anti-grind
05:11 <ct|kyle> heh
05:11 <Ww_compguygene> did you pastebin that file kyle?
05:11  * Ww_compguygene is a noob
05:12 <ct|kyle> I never thought about using pwalls to split a grid or something
05:12 <luke-jr_> Ww_compguygene: ever try my rotating grid?
05:12 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: yes http://pastebin.com/m6a78b79a
05:12 <Ww_compguygene> no, i don't think i have
05:12 <Ww_compguygene> ty kyle
05:12 <luke-jr_> Ww_compguygene: requires a recent trunk build
05:12 <luke-jr_> it's an ordinary square grid, but the grid walls rotate
05:12 <ct|kyle> hmm I never tried it either
05:13 <luke-jr_> the bots suck :/
05:13 <Ww_compguygene> ahhh seen it
05:14 <Ww_compguygene> when i get around to building a trunk client for the linux install on my wife's pc, i will try it
05:15 <Ww_compguygene> i will be excited to get this server binary built with the branch that zman made with updated bots.
05:15 <Ww_compguygene> I have a few ideas i would like to play with
05:17 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: if you use that on src/tron/zone/zZone.h that should fix everything for you
05:17 <Lucifer> I wish we could have a rule for irc that puts clan tags after the person's name
05:17 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: that would make too much sense though
05:18 <Ww_compguygene> I am putting it on my dedicated server in france, since i think that the type of servers i want to make will have more of a Euro following at first
05:18 <Lucifer> if too many clan members were here using their clan tags, we might do it anyway
05:18 <Lucifer> luckily, there's only one ct person here, so nobody has to type ct|k<tab>
05:18 <ct|kyle> I only use mine since kyle is taken
05:18 <Ww_compguygene> well
05:18 <Ww_compguygene> i only use this as my backup name
05:18 <Ww_compguygene> i prefer to be just compguygene
05:18 <Lucifer> but who wants to have to type Ww_c<tab>?  What's the use of tab completion then?
05:19 <ct|kyle> I would prefer having kyle, but its hard to get a name like that in here
05:19 <Lucifer> at least you guys have sane clan tags that, even though we'd potentially have to type 4 characters just to get to the first letter of your name, we actually *can* type them
05:19 <Ww_compguygene> i c ur point, and I would move the clan tag, if i hadn't already reg'd this nic
05:19 <Ww_compguygene> nick
05:19 <Lucifer> you can always move it and link it
05:19 <Lucifer> my username is still technically Lucifer_arma
05:20 <Lucifer> when I was able to take over Lucifer, finally, I just linked it to Lucifer_arma
05:20 <Ww_compguygene> or i could just use yet another email address for reg
05:20 <Lucifer> I may have linked LuciEatsPeople too, I don't remember now
05:20 <Ww_compguygene> lol, cute
05:21 <Lucifer> I need to write a comic about dating a mexican girl and slip it in on Monday
05:21  * Ww_compguygene follows that kewl comic strip, it is fun
05:21 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: GROUP
05:21 <Lucifer> heh, thanks :)
05:22 <Lucifer> I've got two dating/science jokes coming up, I want to slip in a differentiator/integrator between them
05:22 <Ww_compguygene> glad to see you have found a good creative outlet!
05:22 <ct|kyle> Lucifer probably knows my answer on how to get the values for the colour of a players name
05:23 <Lucifer> heh, it's fun.  :)  Even though tomorrow's comic is probably going to disappoint everybody
05:23 <Ww_compguygene> I am thinking of drawing a few cartoons with paint.net...cuz i use windoze for that kind of thing
05:23 <Lucifer> I'm drawing on paper and scanning
05:23 <Ww_compguygene> i thought so
05:23 <Lucifer> that's the only way to do it right, even if, like me, you can't draw
05:23 <Ww_compguygene> yet another reason to hook my scanner back up...
05:24 <Lucifer> yeah :)
05:24 <Lucifer> draw black and white, scan it like that, color on the computer
05:24 <Ww_compguygene> makes sense, thanks for the advice
05:24 <Lucifer> if I had a faster computer, I'd also do my lettering on the computer, inkscape is perfect for that
05:24 <Lucifer> you can also easily do touch-ups, I've had to touch-up a couple because of screw-ups I made while inking
05:25 <Ww_compguygene> ahh...ok, time to start using inkscape for me then....been thinking of using inkscape to make the basics of some maps, i don't like how armabell works
05:25 <Ww_compguygene> and i am not ready to just hand code
05:25 <Lucifer> maps are kinda tricky to hand code, actually
05:25 <Lucifer> when I was making maps, I drew them out on graph paper first, then hand-coded from that
05:26 <Lucifer> inkscape + grid for the outline, then hand-code the rest
05:26 <Ww_compguygene> I am used to useing google sketchup
05:26 <Lucifer> I'd definitely go that route now
05:26 <Ww_compguygene> I was thinking of using it for a grid etc...and then hand coding...but inkscape looks to be superior for this application
05:27 <Ww_compguygene> I use sketchup for carpentry and wood projects
05:27 <Ww_compguygene> I am designing a deck for our mobile home this winter..so i can build it in the spring
05:28 <ct|kyle> inkscape does not work for zones on maps
05:28 <ct|kyle> because it defined the points instead of using an ellipse
05:28 <Lucifer> does the converter leave in svg that it doesn't recognize?
05:29 <Lucifer> somebody should just write an export plugin for inkscape
05:29 <ct|kyle> inkscape just maps me mad when I make maps on it. I have to set the line thickness to 0
05:42 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: would you also like my little hack to set number of defender/attackers with commands
05:46 <Ww_compguygene> can you explain said hack?
05:47 <Ww_compguygene> cuz, i totally want that
05:47 <Ww_compguygene> btw, kyle, i live near cleveland, oh
05:47 <Ww_compguygene> i saw ur in indiana, we are practically neighbors!
05:48 <Ww_compguygene> is you hack an additional item to add to my source?
05:49 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: yes it would be a little addition to the source
05:50 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: funny you mention that we are practically neighbours, I just realized that too
05:50 <Ww_compguygene> neat
05:51 <Ww_compguygene> I really like the new stats page ed put up...as my first attempt at a php script, i am playing with something similar
05:52 <Ww_compguygene> but I am trying to code it more as a "framework" that any server admin can easily customize.
05:52 <ct|kyle> what new stats page?
05:52 <Ww_compguygene> well, its not new, but the Wild fortress ladder page
05:53 <Ww_compguygene> that draws the stats from the wild fortress servers
05:53 <ct|kyle> ah yes
05:54 <ct|kyle> I just updated that a bit recently
05:54 <Ww_compguygene> i figured
05:54 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: my hack is on lines 462-466 and 856-485 of zFortress.cpp  here is my full zfortress.cpp http://pastebin.com/m5145cbd3
05:55 <ct|kyle> I am hoping to get open sumo in there too
05:56 <Ww_compguygene> Thanks, i got it
05:57 <Ww_compguygene> now is the time for me to do this, as i build my binary
05:57 <Ww_compguygene> when i am done
05:57 <Ww_compguygene> flex wants me to walk him through it so he can have the same
05:57 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: I forgot to tell you that makes it so you can set AI_ATTACKERS and AI_DEFENDERS
05:57 <ct|kyle> that's the number of bots you hope to have doing that job
05:58 <Ww_compguygene> nice
05:58 <ct|kyle> I just set one of them to one and the other to 0
05:58 <Ww_compguygene> i c
05:58 <ct|kyle> to 1 I mean
05:58 <Ww_compguygene> and a good script can manipulate that!
05:58 <ct|kyle> oh and it both are less than or equal to 0 it will make it be defender
05:59 <ct|kyle> ya that is what I have :)
05:59 <Ww_compguygene> sweet, da beauty of open source, sharing
06:00 <ct|kyle> I have it a bit of a mess right now, I'm working on fixing my ct-ladderlog branch of the trunk
06:00 <ct|kyle> .cfg3 laderlog_write_nu
06:00 <tronner> ct|kyle: Sorry, no matches :S
06:01 <ct|kyle> .cfg3 ladderlog_write_nu
06:01 <tronner> ct|kyle: LADDERLOG_WRITE_NUM_HUMANS: Write to ladderlog: NUM_HUMANS (Default: 0)
06:01 <Ww_compguygene> I saw that you have a branch, good to know the state of it
06:01 <ct|kyle> it's about 1/2 implemented and ONLINE_PLAYER is broken
06:02 <ct|kyle> though I have a fix but I want a better one :)
06:03 <Ww_compguygene> i understand the desire to get the code right!
06:04 <ct|kyle> well right now it has the colour the player sets it to be, I want it to match more or less their  wall colour or name colour
06:05 <Ww_compguygene> ahh, hence your questions about that issue to luke
06:06 <ct|kyle> ya
06:07 <Ww_compguygene> i really apreciate the help and hax
06:07 <Ww_compguygene> now i have the tools to make something new
06:08 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: if you want my script it is python I can paste that too
06:09 <Ww_compguygene> that would be wonderful
06:09  * Ww_compguygene can read python, and figure it out
06:09  * Ww_compguygene has just decided to focus on php
06:10 <ct|kyle> I like my python :)
06:10 <Ww_compguygene> i understand
06:10 <Ww_compguygene> i just figured that it would take as much work for me to fully learn either
06:10 <Ww_compguygene> i would focus on php
06:11 <Ww_compguygene> especially since i can use it on webpages
06:12 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: http://pastebin.com/m475640a9
06:14 <Ww_compguygene> nice script
06:14 <ct|kyle> that's a very toned down script of wildfortress
06:15 <Ww_compguygene> oh really!
06:15 <ct|kyle> my wildfort makes me a little sad in how bad it looks to me
06:15 <ct|kyle> wildfort is 10 times as long
06:16 <Ww_compguygene> well, wildfort seems to do some pretty complex stuff afaik
06:17 <Ww_compguygene> and i would imagine that at a certain point, after all that functionality has kept growing
06:17 <Ww_compguygene> you will need to do a total re-write
06:17 <ct|kyle> Ww_compguygene: my python script was a total rewrite a year ago, but then I was just learning :)
06:18 <Ww_compguygene> :)
06:18 <Ww_compguygene> well, as i have been playing with a stats script
06:18 <ct|kyle> I have started an another rewrite though
06:18 <Ww_compguygene> i can see that i will be rewriting
06:18 <Ww_compguygene> kewl
06:19 <ct|kyle> this script should be a bit more effective on our IRC channel for information
06:19 <ct|kyle> all our IRC stuff was just hacked into it :P
06:19 <Ww_compguygene> nice
06:20 <Ww_compguygene> i will be interested in your next release
06:20 <Ww_compguygene> that is some funtionality i was going to ask about eventually
06:22 <ct|kyle> probably won't be too soon, not sure when I'll get it
06:22 <Ww_compguygene> no worries, i won't be ready any time soon
06:23 <Ww_compguygene> but i did register an IRC channel for theserverpharm for just that purpose
06:24 <ct|kyle> ya, we have way too much information on ours :)
06:25 <Ww_compguygene> lol
06:25 <Ww_compguygene> most of the people who use my servers have never used IRC.
06:25 <Ww_compguygene> in fact, they find IRC rather confusing!
06:25 <ct|kyle> we have forum posts, authentications, and several stuff form the grid
06:26 <Ww_compguygene> wow, i had no idea
06:26 <ct|kyle> we can change settings through tronner on the server, send messages and so on
06:27 <Ww_compguygene> i can understand why you guys do that
06:27  * Ww_compguygene is happy to be the only one to use his server consoles via ssh
06:27 <ct|kyle> heh
06:28 <ct|kyle> ya we send some cuss words to it and if they say admin
06:28 <Ww_compguygene> lol
06:29 <ct|kyle> we also have a 40mb database log of the chat on CTWF LOL
06:29 <Ww_compguygene> when people are in multple servers of mine, i like to put up a console window for each...and chat with the players i know
06:29 <Ww_compguygene> wow
06:29 <ct|kyle> I haven't got to making that shrink
06:29 <ct|kyle> ya I chat with players all from our IRC channel
06:29 <Ww_compguygene> well, for now, i am just letting my logfiles grow
06:29 <Ww_compguygene> kewl
06:30 <Ww_compguygene> and i intend to archive them over time, for historical purposes
06:30 <ct|kyle> we chop our log files dayly and only keep a weeks worth
06:30 <Ww_compguygene> you never know what kind of log might be useful or fun in 10 years
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06:31 <Ww_compguygene> well, i already have had other server admins ask if i can help verify identity of people's ip addresses.
06:31 <Ww_compguygene> and
06:31 <Ww_compguygene> i found it amusing to look back on some of the chat from when i first started my servers
06:31 <ct|kyle> ya we have that too
06:32 <Ww_compguygene> they all reset every night between 3-3:30 am edt
06:34 <Ww_compguygene> well, my wife works 3rd shift as a nurse, so I try to stay on a similar sleep schedule
06:34 <Ww_compguygene> but, now is the time for me, as a house husband, to get to work
06:36 <ct|kyle> ah
06:36 <Ww_compguygene> but, thanks again
06:36 <Ww_compguygene> running make is a good thing to do while cleaning house
06:37 <Ww_compguygene> i am glad for the 2 files, definately will make things good
06:37 <ct|kyle> only takes a few minutes
06:37 <Ww_compguygene> i know
06:37 <ct|kyle> try make -j2 :)
06:37 <Ww_compguygene> y -j2?
06:37 <ct|kyle> makes it faster
06:37 <Ww_compguygene> what do you compromise?
06:38 <ct|kyle> uses more of the CPU, it runs 2 processes instead of 1
06:38 <Ww_compguygene> nice!
06:39 <Ww_compguygene> all my dedicated servers are dual core atom processor based!  so that will help
06:39 <ct|kyle> I can't do that on our VPS's though :( but on my home PC it goes form 2 minutes to about 30 s
06:40 <Ww_compguygene> oh
06:40 <Ww_compguygene> b4 i go
06:40 <Ww_compguygene> i have put up a ventrilo that is being used by americans... talk.theserverpharm.net 3784
06:40 <Ww_compguygene> i can now launch a second, euro based one
06:41 <Ww_compguygene> do you think your fellow ct'ers might be interested to try it?
06:41 <Ww_compguygene> cuz if you think they would be, I will post on ur forum, and ask if ct would like a public and private channel
06:42 <Ww_compguygene> this is an interim solution while I am learning to setup mumble, and getting a web interface going for the admin of it
06:42 <ct|kyle> I'm not sure, we have a private channel, I've just never used it :P
06:42 <ct|kyle> I haven't been able to get the software on my computer
06:43 <ct|kyle> ya we have mumble
06:43 <Ww_compguygene> np
06:43 <Ww_compguygene> ur prolly using the one zman setup
06:43 <ct|kyle> I can never think of the name
06:43 <ct|kyle> I think it'sour own
06:43 <Ww_compguygene> kewl
06:44 <ct|kyle> sol set it all up and our accounts so I really am not sure
06:44 <Ww_compguygene> well, the plan is for Wwhosting http://www.lagtest.net/wwhosting to resell mumble servers to clans that want them
06:44 <Ww_compguygene> glad to hear ct is using mumble some
06:44 <Ww_compguygene> a voip solution can really help in clan wars and tourneys
06:45 <ct|kyle> ya
06:45 <ct|kyle> usually 2 or 3 of us use it, I just haven't played in many wars and haven't had the time to look into setting up a client
06:46 <Ww_compguygene> i c
06:46 <Ww_compguygene> anyway.....time for me to replace some files and compile....and work...gnite
06:46 <ct|kyle> ah yes it is on one of our VPS's
06:47 <Ww_compguygene> makes sense.
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07:21 <armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-ct-ladderlog] r922 fixed colour values on ONLINE_PLAYER
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09:06 <zmanuel> Umm, yeah. Anyone know how Psyko can be reached to inform him he's an idiot and fell for Cloaket?
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12:31 <sithy> OMG!
12:32 <sithy> where has armagetron gone?
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16:54 <luke-jr_> so how goes that OpenGL ES branch? :)
16:56 <luke-jr_> in fact, where is it? O.o
16:58 <\u03b5> on voodoo's account, on a separate project or in his junk for some reason
16:59 <\u03b5> I find it funny how CT puts stuff that has no chance of ever merging on the armagetron mainline while the put the rest on other projects
16:59 <\u03b5> they*
17:01 <luke-jr_> \u03b5: like what?
17:03 <\u03b5> https://code.launchpad.net/~aavoodoo
17:03 <\u03b5> and sty
17:03 <luke-jr_> voodoo is CT?
17:03 <\u03b5> yes
17:06 <luke-jr_> how much non-ES do we actually use?
17:06 <\u03b5> no idea, you'd better ask voodoo himself
17:06 <luke-jr_> oh, ew
17:07 <luke-jr_> voodoo's branch contains merges from mainline without any of the merge metadat
17:07 <\u03b5> that's gonna be nice!
17:07 <\u03b5> well forget what i said
17:07 <\u03b5> this has no chance of ever getting merged :x
17:09 <luke-jr_> and merge metadata on non-merges? wtf?
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18:19 <\u03b5> grr, how do i get netcat not to exit once it received crap
18:21 <K-Yo> set exit to 0 =)
18:22 <wrtlprnft> i usually use (while nc -l <bla>; do done) | <something>
18:22 <wrtlprnft> works as long as you're not trying to have simultaneous connections
18:22 <eddiefantastic> hi wrtlprnft :) long time... How's things?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> hi!
18:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i haven't been on IRC that much recently
18:23 <wrtlprnft> fine, though, thanks. I hope the same applies to you
18:23 <eddiefantastic> yeah, things are very good, thanks
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18:24 <eddiefantastic> kids are growing up. My boy was asking me just this morning where sperm comes from
18:24 <eddiefantastic> he's 5
18:24 <ct|kyle> pretty soon he'll be playing ton I guess
18:24 <ct|kyle> tron*
18:25 <wrtlprnft> :-)
18:25 <eddiefantastic> he plays maths: http://eddie.plantpeanuts.co.uk/maths/
18:25 <wrtlprnft> maybe he'll ask where n00bs come from
18:25 <wrtlprnft> flynn's maths :-D
18:25 <eddiefantastic> now that I can answer to a 5 year old :)
18:26 <eddiefantastic> try explaining sperm to a 5 year old who answers every question with an inquisitive "why?"
18:26 <wrtlprnft> i can imagine
18:27 <eddiefantastic> I've really got to go, bye bye
18:27 <wrtlprnft> cya
18:28 <ct|kyle> where's the derivatives option in maths :(
18:28 <K-Yo> I failed in addition :(
18:28 <K-Yo> too bad it doesn't remember stars!
18:29 <K-Yo> 2
18:29 <K-Yo> x 	2
18:29 <K-Yo> = 	
18:29 <K-Yo> Incorrect.
18:29 <K-Yo> The Answer is not 2.
18:29 <K-Yo> Please Try Again.
18:29 <wrtlprnft> meh, don't get me started on hacking together a script that takes me to level infinite
18:30 <\u03b5> a math interpreter?
18:30 <\u03b5> I think about doing such a thing all the time in match class :S
18:30 <ct|kyle> wonder if it accepts 0111 for 5+10
18:30 <wrtlprnft> i was thinking about something more trivial
18:30 <wrtlprnft> ct|kyle: i don't think php accepts that, so this page probably doesn't
18:31 <ct|kyle> darn :)
18:31 <\u03b5> php > var_dump(0111);
18:31 <\u03b5> int(73)
18:31 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't accept 010 for 3+5
18:32 <\u03b5> >>> 0111
18:32 <\u03b5> 73
18:32 <wrtlprnft> \u03b5: of course, but what about "0111" + 0 which is what eddie probably uses?
18:32 <\u03b5> php > var_dump("0111"+0);
18:32 <\u03b5> int(111)
18:32 <\u03b5> >>> "0111" + 0
18:32 <\u03b5> Traceback (most recent call last):
18:32 <\u03b5>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
18:32 <\u03b5> TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects
18:33 <\u03b5> php > var_dump((int)"0111");
18:33 <wrtlprnft> i haven't really written anything big in php lately, but I'm sure it's usually less pedantic
18:33 <\u03b5> int(111)
18:34 <ct|kyle> Congratulations!
18:34 <ct|kyle> You are the very good at this!
18:34 <\u03b5> >>> int("0111")
18:34 <\u03b5> 111
18:34 <\u03b5> :o
18:34 <ct|kyle> 149 / 150
18:34 <ct|kyle> the star I missed was because I put it in hex first :P
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18:35 <wrtlprnft> so there's 5 levels?
18:35 <ct|kyle> ya
18:35 <ct|kyle> all really easy
18:35 <wrtlprnft> lol, you can switch methods while being in a game
18:35 <\u03b5> http://us3.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.conversion
18:35 <ct|kyle> I don't think so
18:36 <wrtlprnft> well, i expect you to be smarter than a 5 year old
18:36 <ct|kyle> true
18:36 <wrtlprnft> just edit the uri to the new type and it keeps all your stars
18:36 <ct|kyle> heh
18:36 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, 3+5 is not 010, it's 1000 =)
18:37 <ct|kyle> 0100
18:37 <K-Yo> .base 2 10 0100
18:37 <tronner> K-Yo: 4
18:37 <wrtlprnft> $ php -r "print('0100' + 0);"
18:37 <wrtlprnft> 100
18:38 <wrtlprnft> #base 8 10 010
18:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 8
18:38 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: leading zeroes usually indicate base 8
18:38 <\u03b5> they do
18:39 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, oh, thanks =)
18:39 <K-Yo> who uses base 8?
18:39 <wrtlprnft> file permissions :-D
18:39 <K-Yo> well, 10 is always the base number anyway
18:40 <wrtlprnft> few languages support base 2 in their syntax… gcc supports 0b100 (=4) as an extension
18:41 <wrtlprnft> and most assembly languages use 100b for the same number (and 8h for hexadecimal)
18:41 <\u03b5> >>> 0b100
18:41 <\u03b5> 4
18:41 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
18:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 + 2 = 3
18:41 <wrtlprnft> \u03b5: didn't know that, thanks
18:41 <wrtlprnft> #g 0b100 in decimal
18:41 <\u03b5> :)
18:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0b100 = 4
18:42 <wrtlprnft> #g 100b in decimal
18:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:42 <wrtlprnft> meh
18:42 <ct|kyle> #g 100b in decimal
18:42 <armabot> ct|kyle: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:44 <K-Yo> #g 0100 in decimal
18:44 <armabot> K-Yo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:45 <K-Yo> .g 0b0101010110 in decimal
18:45 <tronner> K-Yo: No matches found.
18:45 <K-Yo> #g 0b0101010110 in decimal
18:45 <armabot> K-Yo: 0b0101010110 = 342
18:46 <K-Yo> .help g
18:46 <tronner> K-Yo: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google $*".
18:46 <K-Yo> .help google
18:46 <tronner> K-Yo: (google <search> [--{filter,language} <value>]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --filter accepts a filtering level ('active', 'moderate', 'off').
18:46 <K-Yo> #help g
18:46 <armabot> K-Yo: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
18:54 <P4> .help ar
18:54 <tronner> P4: (ar <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://tinyarro.ws/api-create.php?utfpure=1&host=xn--9gi.ws&url=$*".
18:55 <P4> is epsy related in any part with tinyarro.ws?
18:55 <\u03b5> I use it
18:57 <P4> .short http://bomex.eu/pl/oferta/gruzja/%26ofertashow%3D1%26wino_kolor%3Dczerwone%26wino_typ%3Dpolwytrawne%26ofertapozycja%3D459%26Page%3D%26wino_nazwa%3Damulet_mtevani
18:57 <tronner> P4: http://42.pl/u/1Pf5 → http://➽.ws/瓊
18:57 <P4> that's a fake one @ tinyarro
18:57 <\u03b5> works for me
19:00 <P4> .title http://➽.ws/瓊
19:00 <P4> hmm, it showed e:\program files\mIRC for me when i visited that for 1st time
19:00 <P4> now it shows me my wine :)
19:00 <P4> nv
19:00 <\u03b5> mirc i guess
19:01 <P4> ah yes
19:01 <P4> copy/paste works, double clicking sucks
19:01 <P4> lol
19:01  * P4 slaps Khaled Mardam-Bey
19:14 <luke-jr> guru3: ...
19:15 <luke-jr> guru3: DNS is on my end, you shouldn't change the armagetronad.net DNS
19:15 <luke-jr> that will only break everything I think
19:17 <luke-jr> guru3: also, remember the site itself is in Svn... looks like you made some edits directly to the cache on the webserver? :/
19:18 <guru3> i svned the www-aabeta
19:19 <guru3> only changed paths
19:19 <guru3> the resource and preivew stuff is as i rsynced it
19:21 <luke-jr> guru3: you changed the "bandwidth provided by" part, no? O.o
19:21 <luke-jr> guru3: anyhow, DNS needs to be on my end cuz aabeta.dashjr.org is still in use AFAIK
19:22 <luke-jr> actually
19:22 <luke-jr> I can probably CNAME aabeta -> beta.aa
19:22 <luke-jr> is the vhost config on DH setup for that?
19:22 <guru3> no
19:23 <guru3> can you set just vhosts on dreamhost?
19:23 <luke-jr> I would hope so? :/
19:24 <luke-jr> aabeta.dashjr.org. CNAME beta.armagetronad.net.
19:24 <luke-jr> done
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19:30 <guru3> nothing obvious about virtualhosts on any of dreamhost's stuff
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19:33 <luke-jr> guru3: :/
19:33 <luke-jr> I'd be surprised if it wasn't there under *some* name
19:37 <luke-jr> http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Mirror_Domain
19:38 <Vanhayes> \u03b5, how come I can't join armagetron.pickup anymore?
19:38 <\u03b5> chan closed
19:38 <Vanhayes> no more pickup games?
19:38 <\u03b5> well, it was pretty much over anyway
19:38 <Vanhayes> or it wasn't being used as much anymore?
19:38 <Vanhayes> ah ok
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21:32 <Vanhayes> #as
21:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 36 seconds old; ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Mega Fortress (12/32), Crazy Tronners Open Sumo (11/12), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (9/12), The YELLOW Submarine (7/12), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (6/16), Wild West  =High Rubber= (6/16), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (6/10), -=F²=- Fatal Force Loose DF Server (6/8), WILDCAT (5/8), SPACEZONE III (5/15), ~Wild Night~Loose~ (4/8), Norm's (1 more message)
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21:35 <Vanhayes> btw was anyone else really dissapointed witth nasa's "blow a hole in the moon" plan?
21:35 <luke-jr> ?
21:37 <sinewav> I didn't watch it, but I really think there was a better use for NASA funds.
21:38 <ct|kyle> it was a cheep project probably < $0.5 per household
21:38 <ct|kyle> I was just upset that the cameras went out
21:38 <sinewav> yeah it seemed like it was cheap.
21:39 <sinewav> I'm way more interested in Mars... and getting people there.
21:40 <ct|kyle> we have to goto the moon to get to mars
21:41 <sinewav> yeah, and that's one of the reasons I didn't like that last Moon experiment.
21:41 <sinewav> I don't see it as a stepping stone to Mars.
21:42 <Vanhayes> i don't see how blowing a crater in the moon and watching the debris cloud is a good use of resources
21:42 <ct|kyle> ya, but lcross will help figure things out, figure out the cost and see if they can make their  own fuel to go home there
21:42 <Vanhayes> especially when the camera goes out
21:43 <ct|kyle> all the sensors preformed perfectly
21:43 <ct|kyle> they got the data they wanted
21:43 <Vanhayes> ah well then its just the public that got left out then
21:43 <sinewav> well, I guess it was a cheap experiment. And it keep space exporation on our minds.
21:44 <Vanhayes> nasa is US funded right? or is it internatioanlly funded too?
21:44 <sinewav> both I think.
21:44 <ct|kyle> ya, hopefully they release the videos and stuff from hubble and other telescopes soon
21:44 <ct|kyle> US founded
21:44 <ct|kyle> funded*
21:44 <Vanhayes> must be international if other country's astronauts use it's space ships too
21:44 <sinewav> NASA doesn't have any foreign investors?
21:45 <sinewav> I can't see how that's possible.
21:45 <ct|kyle> well deals and stuff for the shuttles to carry parts up, but I think with the kibo laboratory I think the deal was for japan to fly cargo up (winch they have now :)
21:45 <Vanhayes> well i know canada has astronauts but no space shuttles or launch site (yet)
21:46 <ct|kyle> canada has the robotic arm of both the shuttle and the station
21:46 <ct|kyle> and Dextre
21:47 <ct|kyle> I had a lot more fun watching the Deep impact mission than this moon one
21:47 <Vanhayes> I think we sold that to the states just a little while ago
21:48 <Vanhayes> the rright to make it or whatever
21:48 <ct|kyle> the right to make what?
21:48 <Vanhayes> could be mistake thought i read that somewhewrre
21:48 <ct|kyle> dextre is the robot on the space station was taken up last year
21:48 <Vanhayes> the canadarm
21:51 <Vanhayes> though i get alot of my states news from the daily show and colbert report
21:51 <sinewav> ol
21:51 <Vanhayes> they at least dont bombard you with their facebook and twitter accounts
21:52 <Vanhayes> or use comments on those on live news
21:53 <Vanhayes> obama won a peace prize?
21:53 <sinewav> I don't watch tv. I get all my news from search engines.
21:53 <sinewav> peace prize for what?
21:53 <sinewav> what did he do?
21:54 <ct|kyle> hopefully Monday or later today nasa will put hubbles image of the event up as image of the day
21:55 <Vanhayes> im not sure i just turned cnn on and it was on the bottom there
21:55 <Vanhayes> though cnn isnt all to reliable
21:55 <ct|kyle> Vanhayes: looks like it
21:56 <Vanhayes> wow surprise nobel peace prize winner...
21:56 <Vanhayes> he won more for promise then achievment...
21:56 <Vanhayes> that is horrible
21:56 <ct|kyle> ya that it
21:57 <Vanhayes> i mean he hasn't done anything yet(if he does at all) yet he gets a nobel prize...
21:57 <Vanhayes> don't you get a good amount of money for that too?
21:58 <ct|kyle> sinewav: are you going to watch nova Tuesday night about the shuttles mission to Hubble for the last fixes
21:59 <Vanhayes> what is the predicted life of hubble left?
21:59 <Vanhayes> er life left of hubble*
21:59 <ct|kyle> I think 5-10 years
22:00 <Vanhayes> whats the next one planned to launch?
22:00 <Vanhayes> when* wow horrible typing skills lately
22:00 <ct|kyle> I don't remember.
22:01 <Vanhayes> hmm says the noble prizes are supposed to be awarded for things done in the precedding year
22:01 <ct|kyle> heh
22:02 <Vanhayes> i mean gahndi didn't even win won
22:02 <luke-jr> good
22:02 <Vanhayes> ... you are against gahndi?
22:02 <luke-jr> yes
22:02 <Vanhayes> gandhi**
22:03 <Vanhayes> sigh, why?
22:03 <MaZuffeR> prize money is 10M SEK
22:03 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi
22:05 <Vanhayes> luke-jr, you are against civil disobedience, non-violence, civil rights and freedoms, or indians?
22:06 <luke-jr> civil disobedience, modern "civil rights", and Indian (or any kind of) paganism
22:06 <Vanhayes> coolio, ill end this discussion here
22:06 <\u03b5>  
22:08 <sinewav> ct|kyle: I don't have a TV. I can't see anything that doesn't stream.
22:09 <ct|kyle> sinewav: I think it will be viewable online after it initially plays
22:09 <sinewav> Vanhayes: this is what I'm waiting for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope
22:10 <sinewav> I'll check that out ky13, remind me.
22:10 <ct|kyle> sinewav: I'll try to :)
22:10 <\u03b5> asdf
22:11 <Vanhayes> i think i rember seeing something about that on discovery channel
22:11 <Vanhayes> MaZuffeR, id that per award winner or the total pool of money to dole out?
22:11 <Vanhayes> is*
22:11 <ct|kyle> sinewav: Vanhayes http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/hubble/
22:12 <Vanhayes> hmm i'm not sure if I get PBS here now
22:13 <Vanhayes> hmm jimmy carter won the peace prize in 2002
22:15 <MaZuffeR> Vanhayes, per winner
22:15 <Vanhayes> wow
22:16 <MaZuffeR> Vanhayes, http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/amounts.html
22:17 <Vanhayes> heh, was on that site already
22:17 <Vanhayes> wow nobel was loaded
22:18 <MaZuffeR> unintentional pun?
22:18 <Vanhayes> I guess so since i don't see it :/
22:18 <MaZuffeR> he invented dynamite
22:18 <Vanhayes> oh ya loaded
22:19 <Vanhayes> just wasn't clicking there
22:19 <Vanhayes> for me
22:19 <Vanhayes> hmm i guess 10000000 SEk is about 1.5 mil for oboma
22:20 <Vanhayes> still a nice surprise for him
22:21 <Vanhayes> still think there has to be some one else more deservering
22:22 <Vanhayes> ffs what is wrong with me today "deservering"?!?
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22:26 <Vanhayes> bah the news is bizzare today
22:27 <Vanhayes> marge sipson in playboy, hummer brand sold to china, nasa bombs the moon, and obama gets a peace prize
22:28 <Vanhayes> it's like every news station has been bought out by the onion
22:29 <ct|kyle> heh
22:30 <ct|kyle> Vanhayes: actually
22:30 <ct|kyle> #g 1.5 million sek in usd
22:30 <armabot> ct|kyle: 1.5 million Swedish kronor = 213 834 U.S. dollars
22:30 <ct|kyle> oh wait
22:30 <Vanhayes> # g 10000000 SEK in USD
22:30 <ct|kyle> #g 10000000 sek in usd
22:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: 10 000 000 Swedish kronor = 1.42556 million U.S. dollars
22:30 <armabot> ct|kyle: 10 000 000 Swedish kronor = 1.42556 million U.S. dollars
22:31 <ct|kyle> I read the wrong side of what you said :P
22:31 <Vanhayes> heh
22:31 <Vanhayes> how much does the president make a year?
22:31 <ct|kyle> 400,000
22:31 <ct|kyle> I think
22:32 <Flex> ct|kyle how does your open sumo server script work? (for the hostname when you join)
22:32 <Vanhayes> 500000 or something like that?
22:32 <ct|kyle> either that or 200,000
22:32 <ct|kyle> and that is per year
22:33 <Vanhayes> I bet he donates the money from the prize
22:33 <ct|kyle> ya it is 400,000
22:33 <Vanhayes> good pr for the people who don't think he has done enough
22:33 <Vanhayes> I thought it was around there
22:34 <ct|kyle> it was 200,000 before bush got it rased
22:34 <ct|kyle> G w bush
22:34 <Vanhayes> thats probably why i heard about it
22:34 <ct|kyle> wow
22:35 <Vanhayes> i think 200000 is more then enough for a year
22:35 <ct|kyle> 200,000 from 1969 in todays dollars is 1,175,000
22:36 <Vanhayes> wow
22:36 <Vanhayes> i guess 400 000 isnt that bad then
22:36 <ct|kyle> that is when 200k started
22:36 <Vanhayes> btw just want to mention it again our leader sang the beatles with yo yo ma
22:37 <Vanhayes> and played the piano, he was pretty good too
22:41 <K-Yo> .sumo -v
22:41 <tronner> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Open Sumo ( (static. running 0.2.8-sty+ct_alpha20090927 unix dedicated, url: http://crazy-tronners.com/, Description: “Team Sumo Settings. First to be 1337 wins.“, Players (10/12): -||BS|ChrisGW (ChrisGW@forums), -||BS|kbblak, a, Cyanide, Death Crone (steam@forums), Enduser (P4@ct/jedi), f2Ares, milan (milan@ct/public), psylo, SpinAce
22:41 <K-Yo> .liv
22:41 <tronner> K-Yo: liv.crazy-tronners.com ->
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22:55 <ct|kyle> lol http://joelott.com/images/moon-hit-that.jpg
22:57 <Vanhayes> ha nice
23:01 <Vanhayes> is CNN down for anyone else?
23:01 <Vanhayes> if anyone has a tv nearby and doen't mind checking
23:02 <Vanhayes> just want to know if its the station or my cable company again
23:03 <Vanhayes> ah nvrm its back, must have been my cable company
23:04 <\u03b5> nn
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23:21 <Vanhayes> wow even more bizzare news, ted williams' frozen head hit with a wrench
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23:54 <ct|kyle> z-man: ping

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