Log from 2009-07-04:
--- Day changed Sat Jul 04 2009
00:02 <Lucifer> .math calc 537.50/50
00:02 <tronner> Lucifer: 10.75
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00:04 * sunny is spmmaing on some forums like twix und ct....
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00:10 <Vanhayes> fortress onslaught anyone?
00:15 <ct|kyle> sunny: if you do that you need to put a picture of you up on Ct's
00:15 <epsy> ady already found one anyway
00:16 <epsy> *hides*
00:16 <sunny> i sended him one....
00:16 <sunny> in the paaaaaaaast..... -.-
00:17 <ct|kyle> Vanhayes: I would but I have to go
00:17 <ct|kyle> get sunny to
00:17 <sunny> kyle u said it to late :d
00:18 <epsy> it's normal to make terrible mistakes in life
00:18 <sunny> that i have to put a pic on :P
00:18 <epsy> :D
00:18 <sunny> nah
00:18 <ct|kyle> sunny: Edit
00:18 <ct|kyle> :)
00:18 <sunny> ?
00:19 <ct|kyle> edit post to put one up sunny
00:19 <sunny> not time at the moment
00:19 <sunny> i play tron xD
00:19 <epsy> :D
00:20 <ct|kyle> sunny: and 1 does not have to be the limit you can put a whole bunch if you want :P
00:20 <sunny> unpossible
00:20 <sunny> inpossible :D
00:21 <ct|kyle> even if you don't want :P
00:21 <sunny> or something like that
00:21 <ct|kyle> possible*
00:21 <madmax> it's a trap!
00:22 <sunny> xD
00:22 <ct|kyle> I know, I gtg anyway
00:22 <sunny> its a pity :d
00:23 <sunny> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
00:23 <sunny> only noobs are online
00:23 <sunny> also on cafe -.-
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00:31 <Flex> eddiefantastic, i don't think respawns makes it as exciting as getting one chance
00:31 <Flex> defence wins by staying alive before the time runs out, attackers win by taking the defence zone, as they don't have their own zone
00:32 <Flex> without respawns, i'm willing to have a go :P
00:33 <Flex> i just dislike respawns
00:33 <madmax> resresres
00:34 <Lucifer> fucking noobs
00:34 <Lucifer> there ought to be a law against them
00:34 <Flex> with respawns, you'll just get people driving and taking any risk.. as they know they'll be back 5 seconds later
00:35 <madmax> but without them maybe the defense is too strong?
00:36 <Flex> kill sweepers first, then either torp the defence or 4v1 him
00:36 <Flex> try and imagine how a game will be..
00:37 <Flex> plus the game changes defenders and attackers every round
00:39 <Vanhayes> plus the attacking team's zone can be conquered
00:40 <Flex> it can?
00:40 <Flex> i tried, it was too small and didn't seem to move
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00:56 <Vanhayes> madmax, play fortress onslaught?
00:56 <madmax> busy, sorry
01:21 <PinkTomato> .si onslaugh
01:21 <tronner> PinkTomato: Fortress Onslaught: Players (5/12): alf, mitnix, Pink Tomatoes, Thump.uNk, Vanhayes (Van-hayes@forums)
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01:49 <P4> what tronner?
01:50 <P4> you don't need to lock aliases, alias add/remove is just disabled by default (:
01:50 <P4> if you need an alias, just ask
01:50 <epsy> one is borked
01:50 <epsy> .help rating
01:50 <tronner> epsy: (rating <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&name=%401".
01:50 <epsy> ]help rating
01:50 <ljrbot> epsy: (rating <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch [format concat http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&name=[urlquote @1]]".
01:51 <P4> .add rating "web fetch [concat http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&name=[urlquote @1]]"
01:51 <P4> .unlock rating
01:51 <tronner> P4: The operation succeeded.
01:51 <P4> .add rating "web fetch [concat http://ratings.armagetronad.net/rating.php?slashes=1&name=[urlquote @1]]"
01:51 <tronner> P4: The operation succeeded.
01:51 <P4> .rating ct__4
01:51 <tronner> P4: I don't know anything about 'ct__4'!
01:51 <P4> .ls -g P4@ct
01:51 <tronner> P4: CT×¶4 has last been seen on Chico's Brake Boost Styball 2 days 5 hours 39 minutes ago.
01:52 <P4> .rating CT×¶4
01:52 <tronner> P4: ctxp4 is 2248th with a rating of 1518-1566 (from 1521-1564)
01:52 <P4> can you rate styball? (:
01:54 <epsy> yay it can finally reload configs properly :>
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01:55 <PinkTomato> .rating Pink Tomatoes
01:55 <tronner> PinkTomato: pink_tomatoes is 6522nd with a rating of 1417-1490 (from 1419-1488)
01:55 <PinkTomato> haha, that's crap
01:55 <epsy> .rating serious_epsy
01:55 <tronner> epsy: I don't know anything about 'serious_epsy'!
01:56 <PinkTomato> .rating epsy
01:56 <tronner> PinkTomato: epsy is 4759th with a rating of 1452-1560 (from 1454-1559)
01:56 <PinkTomato> .rating fake_epsy
01:56 <tronner> PinkTomato: I don't know anything about 'fake_epsy'!
01:57 <PinkTomato> where are .ratings from?
01:57 <epsy> luke never disclosed the full list of servers
01:58 <PinkTomato> does it not get updated any more?
02:00 <epsy> idk
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03:56 <noob13> .fort
03:56 <noob13> .sd fort
03:56 <tronner> noob13: Trainie's Camp! (Sumo/fort like movement) Please Join!0xffff88: 0xffff88Players (1/8): Player 1
03:57 <ct|kyle> Vanhayes: still up for fortress onslaught
04:37 <epsy> night
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04:53 <Vanhayes> ct|kyle, nah there is actually a good sized game of fort right now
04:54 <ct|kyle> ok
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08:23 <Lucifer> GodTodd: that's what my other friend got
08:23 <GodTodd> heh
08:23 <GodTodd> the interpretation is wrong
08:23 <GodTodd> :)
08:23 <Lucifer> it's totally fucked up, yessir
08:24 <Lucifer> back when I did tarot readings, I always tried to cast the Death card into the phoenix myth, even if there were no other handy cards for me to use to support that
08:24 <GodTodd> and i hate when people use apostrophe's to pluralize ;)
08:24 <Lucifer> yeah, those peopl'e just fucking suck
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah...it just means the death of *something*. not that *you're* going to die or that your death is even involved
08:25 <Lucifer> it's only supposed to very rarely mean literal death
08:26 <GodTodd> such as...death of a way of thinking...death of a long project...stuff like that
08:26 <Lucifer> I told a girl once it meant she was going to lose her virginity, and then her boyfriend was going to turn out to be a cheater
08:26 <Lucifer> I was sooooooooooooooooo right
08:26 <GodTodd> haha
08:26 <GodTodd> death of innocence
08:26 <GodTodd> see?
08:26 <Lucifer> the irony is that because of that reading, she declared she didn't believe in that shit anyway
08:26 <Lucifer> which was completely right, tarot readings are never about the cards, they're about the people
08:26 <Lucifer> the cards are just props
08:27 <GodTodd> yeah...that's why they're better done in person
08:27 <Lucifer> and I was soooooooooooooooooooooo right
08:27 <GodTodd> though as long as the energy flows right it can be done long distance
08:27 <Lucifer> what? there's no energy, it's all a scam!
08:27 <Lucifer> well, the show business ones are scamming, they want to give a fluffy happy reading in exchange for a few coins
08:28 <Lucifer> the more serious guys are more like psychiatrists
08:28 <GodTodd> nah, there're scammers that do it but it is legit if done right
08:28 <Lucifer> just, using tarot cards.....
08:28 <Lucifer> no way!
08:28 <Lucifer> why am I suddenly surrounded by superstitions? ;)
08:28 <GodTodd> what superstitions?
08:28 <GodTodd> no superstitions
08:31 <GodTodd> unless the harnessing of energy is superstitious
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13:20 <Flex> .ping
13:20 <tronner> pong
13:27 <joda_bot> Flex: hi
13:27 <Flex> hii
13:29 <Flex> http://flex.armagetron.co.uk/
14:06 <Vanhayes> happy america day americans
14:08 <joda_bot> Flex: can't u just get all server data in one go ?
14:12 <Flex> i was thinking that, too
14:12 <joda_bot> Flex: did you write the php backend yourself ?
14:12 <Vanhayes> how do you get it to connect to the server?
14:13 <joda_bot> or does it use wrtlprnfts database ?
14:13 <Flex> no, it's dlh's work
14:13 <joda_bot> ah ok
14:13 <Flex> pretty, good
14:13 <Flex> http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19435
14:13 <joda_bot> Flex: it's more than that :D
14:14 <joda_bot> it requires php to query server with udp etc
14:14 <Flex> oh, yeah there's php too
14:14 <Flex> sorry
14:17 <Flex> would be nice if there was an option to hide the empty servers :p (hint: dlh)
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14:23 <Flex> madmax is a dick!
14:23 <Flex> all agree? yes?
14:23 <Flex> oops, he joined.. shhh
14:24 * madmax slaps Flex
14:25 <Flex> you girl
14:26 * madmax drop kicks Flex
14:26 <joda_bot> Flex: madmax: get a room :-P how about ct cat fight :D
14:27 * Flex steps out the way, performs a counter reverse kick
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14:37 <animuson> what was the site that listed all the arma classes and in the graphs and stuff?
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14:44 <animuson> nvm i found it
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15:20 <animuson> it wont let me send the authenticated name with the TEAM_SPAWNED writeout
15:21 <animuson> it keeps dying in-game
15:21 <animuson> http://pastebin.com/m19684cf7
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15:29 <Flex> Vanhayes, when is the match btw?
15:30 <Vanhayes> uh, i think someone said 7 gmt
15:30 <Vanhayes> good thing you said something cause i completely forgot
15:30 <Flex> lol
15:30 <Vanhayes> madmax, MaZuffeR would you guys be able to play a practice match today?
15:31 <madmax> yes
15:31 <MaZuffeR> yes
15:31 <Flex> so when is it?
15:32 <Flex> dubs is also saying 7gmt
15:32 <Flex> is that settled, Vanhayes?
15:32 <Vanhayes> i thought you told me 7 gmt but maybe that was dubs
15:32 <Vanhayes> doesnt matter to me when
15:32 <Vanhayes> what time is it gmt right now?
15:32 <Vanhayes> 2?
15:32 <Vanhayes> 1?
15:32 <Flex> 2
15:33 <Flex> oh wait
15:33 <Flex> gmt is 1:32
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15:33 <Vanhayes> ok i told gari 11 or 12 his time so i hope i did my math correctly at 2 am last night
15:33 <Flex> so that's 3pm EST and 7pm GMT
15:33 <dubStep> lol.
15:33 <Vanhayes> 4pm my time
15:34 <Vanhayes> and 12 pst i think
15:34 <madmax> against who? sp?
15:34 <Vanhayes> so now we need to find sunny and we are good to go in 5 hours
15:34 <Flex> yeah
15:34 <Vanhayes> im assuming
15:34 * dubStep sings "im just a teenage dirtbag baby, listen to iron maiden baby with me, oooh"
15:35 <Vanhayes> man i am just not a good captain, my memory should be longer then 24 hours for this stuff
15:35 <dubStep> lmao
15:36 <Flex> we could do it at 8gmt
15:36 <Flex> so 4est
15:36 <Flex> or is it 7pm
15:37 <Flex> 4 est or 3 est Vanhayes? :p
15:37 <dubStep> gimme an oldschool band
15:37 <dubStep> like wheatus/sum 41
15:38 <dubStep> nvm i wana listen to msi ^^
15:40 <dubStep> gmt -1 or +1 bst?
15:40 <dubStep> i always forget :/
15:40 <Flex> we're +1 gmt
15:40 <dubStep> k
15:40 <Flex> it's 2:40 here, so gmt is 1:40 :P
15:41 <dubStep> captain obivous strikes again...
15:41 <Vanhayes> well im atlantic time
15:41 <dubStep> lol
15:41 <dubStep> jk
15:41 <dubStep> ^^
15:41 <Flex> you've just capped your questions for today. gz!
15:41 <dubStep> haha
15:41 <dubStep> no.
15:42 <dubStep> mr "i dont wana give you a reason because i just dont and i dont wana give you a reason for not giving you a reason"
15:42 <Flex> hah
15:42 <joda_bot> dubStep: are you ok? you sound crazy :D
15:42 <Vanhayes> http://graphjam.com/2009/05/26/song-chart-memes-geek-girl/ thought that was funnily true
15:42 <Flex> she is..
15:42 <dubStep> joda!
15:42 <Vanhayes> not sound, she is
15:42 <dubStep> flex, shut up.
15:42 <dubStep> hayes, dont get involved.
15:43 <dubStep> :)
15:43 <dubStep> i hate u both. u always pick on me.
15:43 <Flex> dubStep is looooose
15:43 <dubStep> ur ass is loose.
15:43 <Flex> lol.. is it..
15:43 <Vanhayes> why do you know that
15:43 <dubStep> zola told me
15:43 <dubStep> :p
15:43 <Flex> lmao
15:43 <dubStep> ^^
15:44 <Flex> Vanhayes, i've put down 3est.. sp clan practice starts at like 5est.. so maybe their might be confusion
15:44 <Flex> guess it doesn't hurt anyone if we delay it a few hours
15:44 <Flex> as long as they arrive
15:44 <Vanhayes> meh ill just show up and hope everyone else somehow figures it out on their own
15:46 <dubStep> lol
15:46 <dubStep> woot good captain :p
15:46 <Flex> dubs, quit smoking
15:46 <Vanhayes> captain of the year over hear
15:46 <dubStep> im not!
15:46 <Flex> you obviously can not handle it
15:46 <Vanhayes> here*
15:46 <dubStep> i havent even touched the freaking shisha
15:47 <dubStep> my cousin is hoggin it with his mate
15:47 <dubStep> besides im hungry iw ana cook but i waan talk
15:47 <Flex> damn hippies
15:47 <dubStep> i spose i might put my laptop in the kitchen
15:47 <Flex> while you make something?
15:47 <Flex> you fatty!
15:47 <Flex> constantly eating!
15:48 <dubStep> lol?
15:48 <dubStep> ok, mr stale quavers
15:48 <animuson> http://pastebin.com/m19684cf7 <-- anyone know why this is dying in-game?
15:48 <Flex> random dubs.. random!
15:48 <Flex> don't know what you're talking about..
15:48 <dubStep> haha
15:48 <dubStep> sure.
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15:49 <dubStep> wait
15:49 <dubStep> flex.
15:49 <dubStep> its 14.49
15:49 <dubStep> u know what my day has consisted of.
15:49 <dubStep> i havent even eaten yet -.-'
15:49 <Flex> nothing?
15:50 <dubStep> so shut ur gob
15:50 <joda_bot> animuson: check that team is not null :D
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15:51 <dubStep> Flex: and not fatty coz my idiot cousin is ordering pizza, while im gona make food.
15:52 <Flex> is he paying?
15:52 <dubStep> yea hes 26 he can buy his own god damn food.
15:52 <dubStep> lol
15:52 <joda_bot> animuson: hm, can't be the mistake if the ladderLog code below was already there before
15:53 <dubStep> im gona kick him out when his mates come
15:53 <dubStep> coz i dont like em theyre dodgy
15:59 <Vanhayes> they dodge alot?
16:00 <dubStep> har
16:05 <animuson> it has to be that cause thats the only thing ive changed
16:05 <animuson> and it dies when it starts to spawn the teams
16:27 <animuson> ?
16:31 <joda_bot> animuson: did you add all of that code ?
16:31 <joda_bot> can you give me some more context ?
16:32 <joda_bot> was there a ladderlog at that spot before ?
16:32 <animuson> well hoop gave me the code for the original TEAM_SPAWNED output
16:32 <animuson> which is not originally part of the game
16:33 <animuson> its in src/tron/gGame.cpp
16:33 <animuson> in the init_game_object(eGrid* grid) function
16:33 <joda_bot> can you tell me which lines you added ?
16:33 <animuson> objects*
16:34 <animuson> i only added the stuff to output the authenticated name as well
16:34 <animuson> the original TEAM_SPAWNED line all through the team name works
16:36 <joda_bot> ah ok
16:36 <joda_bot> so the above is old and the code below is new ?
16:36 <animuson> yea
16:36 <joda_bot> probably team is not null then :D
16:37 <joda_bot> but there might be no player on the team
16:37 <joda_bot> and you call ladderPlayer->IsHuman()
16:37 <joda_bot> add atleast a check that laddlePlayer is not null
16:37 <animuson> so check if ladderPlayer is null?
16:38 <joda_bot> animuson: but what do you want to do with the oldest player's name ?
16:38 <joda_bot> if it works :D
16:39 <animuson> map statistics :P
16:39 <joda_bot> won't you need all the players on a team etc. ?
16:39 <animuson> eventually
16:39 <joda_bot> why add the oldest player to the team spawn output
16:39 <animuson> im just seeing if this works for now :P
16:39 * joda_bot is still confused :-)
16:40 <joda_bot> ah ok, just testing modifying the code ?
16:40 <animuson> :)
16:40 <animuson> i have all day to mess around with stuff XD
16:41 <animuson> no it still dies
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16:52 <animuson> how can i get the current round time rounded down?
16:54 <ct|kyle> animuson: the GAME_TIME
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17:12 <joda_bot> rounded down ?
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17:19 <animuson> is there a limit on how many access levels u can go down using config_accesslevel_#?
17:27 <K-Yo> .cfg2 config_acc
17:27 <tronner> K-Yo: Sorry, no matches :S
17:27 <K-Yo> animuson, what's that?
17:28 <animuson> its in the language files
17:28 <K-Yo> u mean for example "ACCESS_LEVEL config value" ?
17:28 <animuson> to define the access level names like Owner, Adminsitrator, et
17:28 <K-Yo> oh
17:28 <K-Yo> I don't know but I doubt there's a limit
17:29 <ct|kyle> i thought those were hard coded
17:29 <animuson> no :-/
17:29 <animuson> where u set someone's acess_level it just fetches the text from config_accesslevel_#
17:29 <animuson> u can even use negatives
17:30 <epsy> animuson, 25 afaik
17:31 <epsy> you can
17:31 <animuson> afaik?
17:31 <epsy> but it effectively denies anyone from using them
17:31 <epsy> as far as I know
17:31 <animuson> no my access_level is -1
17:31 <animuson> cause im special :P
17:31 <epsy> you shouldn't do that
17:32 <animuson> neways i tried opping someone to level 99 to see if itd go that high
17:32 <animuson> but it ops them to level 19 instead
17:32 <epsy> yeah
17:32 <animuson> so 25 is the limit?
17:32 <animuson> :(
17:32 <epsy> someone authenticated can't go worse 19 for obvious reasons
17:33 <epsy> but limit is 25 I think
17:33 <epsy> for some reason
17:34 <animuson> and why not use negatives?
17:34 <animuson> ive been using a negative for like 3 months now :P
17:35 <epsy> because negatives are used to set stuff to "impossible to use"
17:35 <epsy> it's your server anyway
17:39 <animuson> did the master servers just reset?
17:40 <animuson> i went to internet game and it said no servers found :-/
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18:39 <animuson> im having problems with a maze map generator i made
18:39 <animuson> all the walls render on the map
18:39 <animuson> but the actual walls the server uses r different
18:39 <animuson> so u like go through walls n stuff
18:40 <animuson> like figuring out the path without actually being able to see it
18:40 <animuson> it seems to put a different maze map into the server than the one that is displaying to the players
18:42 <epsy> like, the map the players will see next round?
18:48 <animuson> i dunno
18:48 <animuson> it just isnt the same map :-/
18:49 <epsy> version?
18:49 <animuson> 0.2.8.0
18:49 <epsy> how do you do map rotation?
18:49 <epsy> latest version is 0.2.8.2.1
18:50 <animuson> it uses tronners/mazing/Maze-(time).aamap.xml
18:50 <animuson> the php just puts the current timestamp in for (time)
18:50 <animuson> so it changes every round
18:51 <epsy> I'm asking how is the nextmap set
18:51 <animuson> when ROUND_COMMENCING is called it changes the map file
18:51 <epsy> is it put as MAP_FILE on the previous map's settings?
18:51 <epsy> better set it when a winner is announced
18:52 <epsy> or in the "wait for external script" pause
18:52 <epsy> that's the best moment to do it
18:52 <animuson> but when i disable map rotation so it justs sits on that one map
18:52 <animuson> it still does it
18:52 <animuson> and the invisible path stays the smae
18:52 <animuson> same*
18:52 <epsy> it stays so when you stay for more than one round?
18:53 <animuson> yea
18:53 <animuson> same visible map and same invisible map
18:53 <epsy> are resource_repository* vars the same?
18:54 <animuson> yea they are
18:54 <animuson> but would that make ne difference?
18:56 <animuson> if i save the generated xml to a file and load the actual file they seem to work fine tho
18:56 <epsy> wouldn't you be reusing the same resource names multiple times?
18:57 <animuson> no
18:57 <animuson> the timestamp is different every load
18:57 <epsy> clear your cache and try again
18:59 <epsy> Luke-Jr, have you made packages for 0.2.8.2.1.1 ?
18:59 <epsy> http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=19440
19:02 <Vanhayes> thats alot of numbers for one release
19:05 <madmax> btw, anything holding 0.2.8.3 back? o_O
19:10 <epsy> idk, all bugs on launchpad targeted on .2.8.3 are closed
19:10 <epsy> bbl
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20:38 <madmax> Vanhayes: did you find sunny?
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20:40 <madmax> guess not. just told her on msn
20:52 <madmax> Flex: is it now?
20:53 <Flex> yeah, it should be
20:53 <Flex> there's some sp in-game atm
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20:59 <sunny> hey
20:59 <madmax> o/
20:59 <Flex> shall we give it another hour?
21:01 <Flex> sp have 5
21:02 <madmax> well right now it's me, sunny and perhaps MaZuffeR?
21:02 <madmax> van seems afk, and I don't know where gari is :P
21:02 <sunny> whats with dub?
21:03 <madmax> dubStep: are you there!
21:03 <sunny> ? :P
21:04 <sunny> when did u organise this match for today? :D
21:05 <Flex> for now
21:07 <sunny> i mean, when do you decide to play? yesterday? or what :D because max told it me 20 minutes ago
21:22 <Flex> i think it was a few days ago, but we didn't even remember the time
21:22 <sunny> lol
21:22 <sunny> kk
21:22 <Flex> Vanhayes must have a short term memory disorder! he forgot
21:23 <Flex> SP have 4
21:23 <Flex> if dubs shows up or vanhayes.. then you guys have 4 too
21:24 <Flex> right?
21:24 <sunny> oh really? nice calculating :P
21:24 <sunny> yea
21:24 <Flex> lol
21:24 <sunny> 3 + 1= 4
21:24 <sunny> musst be right
21:25 <Flex> i'm guessing you guys have 3
21:25 <Flex> it's not a calculation
21:25 <Flex> ok, nm now we have 3..
21:25 <sunny> lol
21:26 <Flex> madmax
21:26 <Flex> 3vs3 and we choose 3 more each?
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21:34 <madmax> meh, if there were more of us later it'd be better IMO
21:34 <madmax> but I'm playing right now anyway
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22:17 <sinewav> cafe
22:18 <ct|kyle> .tea
22:18 <tronner> ct|kyle: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): probablyworse
22:25 <Flex> madmax, we got 5 now, ready to play
22:25 <dubStep> erm... soz i wasnt here :S
22:25 <Flex> i think dubs is back^
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22:26 <Flex> shall we go and just get extra's?
22:26 <dubStep> no......... defeats the object of practice match if u dont play with the team ur playign with tomorrow =P
22:26 <dubStep> playing*
22:27 <Flex> it's still worth it, trust me
22:28 <dubStep> where anyway? ur server?
22:29 <Flex> yeah, we'll be there
22:29 <dubStep> lol so.... now im back... wheres everybody else?
22:29 <dubStep> ^^
22:30 <Flex> Vanhayes, madmax, MaZuffeR, sunny
22:30 <dubStep> nvm i see max and sunny in ds fort
22:32 <dubStep> madmax: :) u there?
22:33 <madmax> hey, i was playing a match heh
22:33 <madmax> hmm i can go, although i haven't had dinner yet :<
22:34 <dubStep> :(
22:34 * madmax is there
22:34 <madmax> lol where's van?
22:36 <dubStep> i have no idea.......
22:36 <dubStep> lol.
22:36 <dubStep> Vanhayes: !!!
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22:55 <Lucifer> happy Fuck the Monarchy Day!
22:57 <Luke-Jr> http://tinyurl.com/dadlv6
22:57 <sinewav> I burn a British flag every 4th of July.
23:02 <PinkTomato> :'(
23:03 <PinkTomato> we hate our Monarch too!
23:05 <Luke-Jr> pfft
23:05 <Luke-Jr> you don't have a monarchy anymore
23:06 <Luke-Jr> you have some kind of pseudo-democracy/idiocracy
23:07 <sinewav> oh wow, I just realized I've been driving without my driver's license for a month.
23:07 <Luke-Jr> ROFL
23:07 <sinewav> I just found it in my scanner bed
23:07 <Luke-Jr> I did that once.
23:07 <Luke-Jr> left it on the...scanner
23:07 <Luke-Jr> LOL
23:07 <sinewav> hahha
23:07 <PinkTomato> Luke-Jr, no republican MP can enter parliament without swearing oath to the queen.
23:08 <Luke-Jr> PinkTomato: so?
23:08 <Luke-Jr> does the queen herself have any real power?
23:08 <Luke-Jr> no
23:09 <PinkTomato> It's not so much power, more class.
23:10 <PinkTomato> I guess.
23:10 <PinkTomato> It also does not seem democratic to me for all MPs to have to agree to support the Queen.
23:10 <Luke-Jr> shrug, I said pseudo-
23:11 <Luke-Jr> democracy is evil anyhow
23:11 <Luke-Jr> inevitably, it is the same as idiocracy
23:13 <PinkTomato> Luke-Jr, sorry missed the pseudo bit :). Yeah, there are those 48% of people views not represented, and it seems too many people vote to keep the other person out.
23:14 <Luke-Jr> there's also the fact that 99% of people are idiots
23:17 <Lucifer> actually, since intelligence follows the classic bell curve, there are the same number of idiots in the world as there are geniuses
23:17 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer: from the high end of the spectrum, everyone else looks like an idiot
23:17 <Luke-Jr> :þ
23:18 <MaZuffeR> you can be an idiot even if you are intelligent
23:18 <Lucifer> ironically, the spectrum looks the same from the low end too
23:18 <Lucifer> are you sure you're on the high end?
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23:19 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer: depends on the field ;)
23:20 * Lucifer needs to make another list for the grocery store to accomodate the things he forgot yesterday
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23:22 <Lucifer> boom locka chika locka one is now three
23:30 <Flex> epsy, was it your idea to have unlimited chat time during a round in the ladle cfg's?
23:30 <sunny> wft u cant shut up??? -.-
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23:31 <Flex> me sunny?
23:31 <Flex> huh?
23:31 <sunny> you= all of them u too
23:31 <epsy> Flex, 60 seconds
23:31 <sunny> at the server not here
23:32 <Flex> it was only 1 person
23:32 <noob13> 10 seconds max if u ask me..
23:32 <Flex> oblivion was AFK
23:32 <noob13> ppl need to type faster :P
23:32 <epsy> is it ladle?
23:32 <Flex> seemed like longer than 60 seconds, epsy
23:32 <Flex> using ladle23-3.cfg
23:32 <dubStep> 60 seconds is stupid :/
23:32 <epsy> well, don't use configs supposed for tourneys in public games
23:32 <Flex> 30seconds seems OK
23:32 <madmax> great, now I'm eating pizza
23:32 <Flex> it wasn't a public game
23:32 <dubStep> and tron seconds dont = real seconds... i swear they seem longer
23:33 <Flex> do you expect the other team to wait 60secs for someone
23:33 <Flex> 30seconds should be max
23:33 <epsy> you may have something long to say
23:33 <epsy> and hitting the limit is really annoying
23:33 <Flex> not for a whole 1 minute
23:33 <epsy> also
23:33 <epsy> if someone afk is on chatbot
23:33 <epsy> you can silence him
23:34 <epsy> the server will ignore silenced people for that
23:34 <Flex> 60 seconds, too long
23:34 <Flex> needs to be shortened
23:34 <epsy> imo it'd be unlimited
23:34 <epsy> no the config's fault if it's used for the wrong purpose
23:34 <epsy> not
23:36 <Flex> this was a Ladle environment.. we're talking about a ladle match, too
23:36 <epsy> we're sunday already?
23:37 <Flex> sorry, is it my english or you just don't understand me.. or is it you
23:37 <epsy> ladle matches happen on sundays
23:37 <epsy> and afaik we're satursday
23:38 <epsy> anyway nobody is meant to go afk on ladle
23:38 <Flex> this was a ladle practice, and it was a ladle enviroment..
23:38 <Flex> what is so hard to understand about that?
23:38 <epsy> it's hard to understand that when you're not telling that
23:41 <epsy> anyways: 1/ if it was a public game a ladle config shouldn't have been used
23:42 <epsy> 2/ if it was a serious match the player should have gona spectator
23:42 <epsy> and anyway you can silence him to prevent him from using wait time
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23:44 <Flex> as i said, it was a ladle practice/test enviroment. i wouldn't be talking about settings on a server that i can easly change, point is.. it's not acceptable to allow someone to take that long. that's the whole point
23:44 <epsy> then don't allow him to use chatbot time
23:45 <dubStep> epsy: if someone is on chatbot and u silence them before the time then boom, you have a non grinder...
23:45 <epsy> ...
23:45 <epsy> either you want him to not use the time
23:45 <epsy> either you want him to use it
23:45 <sunny> just change it epsy
23:45 <Flex> silencing someone causes issues.. there should be a rule to how long they can chat. they can use their time and be done with it
23:46 <Flex> why are you getting admins involved
23:46 <epsy> you can't have that without wait time
23:46 <dubStep> if the time isnt availiable, people wont take the piss with chat wait. if u know u have 60 secs to mess around then u use 60 secs
23:46 <dubStep> if u know u have 20 or 30 then u take less time...
23:46 <Flex> this is stupid. 60seconds is too long, i'll speak to durka and make it 30
23:46 <Flex> end this discussion. all i wanted to know if it was your idea
23:47 <epsy> haha
23:47 <dubStep> its not funny......
23:47 <epsy> [01:46] <Flex>: end this discussion. all i wanted to know if it was your idea
23:47 <epsy> that's 100% flex
23:48 <dubStep> well, he did say it didnt he?
23:48 <dubStep> brb "Waiting up to 60seconds for dubStep to finish chatting"
23:48 <dubStep> ^^
23:49 <epsy> well you don't go brb on a ladle
23:49 <dubStep> yea... ppl do
23:49 <dubStep> anyway
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23:49 <dubStep> brb
23:49 <epsy> their problem then
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