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--- Day changed Sun Mar 08 2009
00:01 <nsh22> #r
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00:05 <smoothice> luke-jr: what's the difference between tColor and rColor?
00:05 <luke-jr> rColor can render or something
00:05 <smoothice> k
00:07 <smoothice> luke-jr: does alpha work on a percent scale?
00:07 <luke-jr> ofc
00:08 <smoothice> k thanks
00:08 <nsh22> what is alpha?
00:10 <smoothice> transparency
00:10 <smoothice> luke-jr: zFlag.cpp:181: error: 'class zShape' has no member named 'GetColor'
00:10 <nsh22> then make a member\
00:10 <smoothice> ...
00:10 <nsh22> or try getColor
00:11 <smoothice> heyyy
00:11 <smoothice> it worked!
00:11 <smoothice> thanks nsh22 :P
00:11 <luke-jr> alpha is *usually* transparency
00:11 <nsh22> :P
00:11 <luke-jr> we need time based colour
00:11 <luke-jr> and functions better than polynomials
00:11 <nsh22> im good at programming now! :P
00:12 <smoothice> luke-jr: usually?
00:12 <luke-jr> smoothice: it can also be additive transparency, or object colour
00:12 <luke-jr> right now
00:13 <luke-jr> for zones, it is additive transparency
00:13 <smoothice> zomg
00:14 <smoothice> Build succeeded
00:14 <luke-jr> …
00:14 <smoothice> THis could be alpha flag blinking
00:14 <smoothice> *crosses fingers*
00:14 <PinkTomato> interesting
00:15 <nsh22> why do you want the flags to blink?
00:15 <smoothice> ...
00:15 <smoothice> when you own them stupid
00:15 <smoothice> lol
00:16 <nsh22> stupid?
00:16 <nsh22> #kick smoothice in the shin
00:16 <nsh22> :P
00:16 <smoothice> fail
00:16 <smoothice> #slap nsh22
00:16 <@armabot> nsh22: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
00:16 <@armabot> smoothice slaps nsh22 for being a raving moron.
00:17 <smoothice> ownd!
00:17 <nsh22> ]list
00:17 <ljrbot> nsh22: Admin, Alias, Bible, Channel, Config, Format, Games, Karma, Later, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Status, Stock, User, Utilities, Weather, Web, and Yandere
00:17 <nsh22> #slap smoothice
00:17 <@armabot> nsh22 slaps smoothice for being a raving moron.
00:17 <smoothice> lol
00:17 <smoothice> I got it first :P
00:17 <nsh22> #q
00:17 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #58: "luke, your so cute when you think you are right about some crazy position. - philippeqc2" (added by GodTodd at 03:34 AM, August 13, 2007)
00:17 <nsh22> lol
00:17 <nsh22> lol
00:17 <nsh22> #q
00:18 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #57: "* epsy runs away from MrBougo | <epsy> i'm gonna take a shower brb | * MrBougo follows epsy *" (added by MrBougo at 01:38 PM, August 12, 2007)
00:18 <nsh22> #q
00:18 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #72: "epsy puts himself in the middle and eats it.  --epsy" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:48 AM, July 28, 2008)
00:18 <nsh22> #q
00:18 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #81: "GodTodd: that lightning is just God aiming for luke-jr and missing" (added by ct|kyle at 07:50 AM, August 05, 2008)
00:18 <nsh22> #q
00:18 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #62: "<tronner> armabot: *click* <armabot> tronner: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes." (added by epsy at 11:34 PM, November 16, 2007)
00:18 <nsh22> #q
00:18 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 05:23 AM, June 21, 2006)
00:19 <smoothice> luke-jr: I just ran it and it did nothing different -.-
00:19 <nsh22> #q
00:19 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #84: "<cusco> #quote search *cusco*  <armabot> cusco: No matching quotes were found." (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:54 PM, December 19, 2008)
00:19 <nsh22> #q
00:19 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #44: "the real question is, what idiot hosted a server for Hyphy? -- Lucifer_arma" (added by ghableska at 04:02 AM, March 05, 2007)
00:21 <smoothice> luke-jr: this alpha code isn't working
00:22 <smoothice> luke-jr: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/m7c57b4a5
00:22 <smoothice> It does nothing at all
00:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: even with a RequestSync
00:27 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r911 Taught AI to really, really grind deeply.... || [armagetronad-v2sty] r878 Close to getting radius-based flag blinking working; next co... || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r910 Don't be afraid of dead enemies.... || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r909 Added randomized evaluator and cowardly evaluator that avoid... || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r908 Further tweaking.... ||
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00:31 <epsy> @aawikis project dependency structure
00:32 <epsy> @ping
00:32 <epsy> useful bot
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00:33 <nsh22> #q
00:33 <@armabot> nsh22: Quote #69: "gentoo ebuild is as broken as luke-jr himself :D ~xfroggy" (added by ct|kyle at 06:23 PM, January 26, 2008)
00:33 <epsy> @aawikis project dependency structure
00:33 <nsh22> try @aawiki
00:33 <epsy> it's loading
00:33 <teabot> epsy: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Project_Dependency_Structure - Project Dependency Structure - Armagetron Advanced Wiki
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00:34 <epsy> haha
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02:10 <luke-jr> ]later tell smoothice are you RequestSync-ing the shape?
02:10 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
02:19 <luke-jr> did anyone else notice Concord's fork is an entirely new import and not a branch off anything existing? :x
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02:30 <madmax> \o/
02:35 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r913 Re-added a rudimentary fortress AI logic.... || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r912 Removed P-Turn path; instead, change the U-Turn to a P-Turn ...
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04:52 <smoothice> luke-jr: Yeah I am
04:53 <luke-jr> o i c
04:59 <smoothice> luke-jr: I just committed rev 880 but the flag blinking isn't working. Could you take a look: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-sty-0.3/armagetronad/armagetronad-v2sty/revision/880
05:00 <luke-jr> smoothice: not right now, sry
05:16 <smoothice> luke-jr: it blinks on 0.3 clients but not 0.2.8 clients (we think)
05:16 <smoothice> luke-jr: that's good and bad news
05:21 <luke-jr> 0.2.8 doesn't have alpha support
05:22 <luke-jr> smoothice: I'd ignore it for now and leave it as a 0.2.8 compatibility issue
05:22 <luke-jr> alpha=0 can be emulated by sending the sync with a 0 radius
05:25 <smoothice> luke-jr: Alright :)
05:31 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: what is the deal with an extra zone showing up after the fortress zone is collapsed
05:31 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: same zone
05:32 <luke-jr> it was there in 0.2.8, but never worked right, best I can tell
05:32 <ct|kyle> I don't think it should be there
05:33 <luke-jr> maybe not
05:33 <ct|kyle> I don't see a point in having it
05:33 <luke-jr> neither do I
05:33 <luke-jr> but I don't like to destroy things without knowing why they were created
05:35 <ct|kyle> should I hack zFort.cpp for the capturing of flag of should I look to see if it is in there? (if possible)
05:35 <luke-jr> …
05:35 <luke-jr> zFortress should not know anything about flags
05:36 <luke-jr> flags can be disabled, after all
05:37 <luke-jr> smoothice: enjoy
05:41 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-v2sty] r882 this should make alpha-blinking work with 0.2.8 clients || [armagetronad-v2sty] r881 merge from trunk || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2-invisible] r891 Transmit invisible zones as a 0 radius || [armagetronad-v2sty] r880 added some things I forgot on the last commit -- still doesn... || [armagetronad-v2sty] r879 more work at flag blinking with alpha instead of radius
06:02  * luke-jr hopes his new dev post doesn't turn into one of those 10 pages of discussion with no real work.
06:03 <luke-jr> dev forum post*
06:03 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: what you commented does not compile
06:03 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: o rly? why not? XD
06:04 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: http://rafb.net/p/Nzvv8s71.html
06:05 <luke-jr> o i c
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06:14 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: fixed the 2 bugs
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06:14 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: thanks :)
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06:15 <luke-jr> merged
06:18 <smoothice> luke-jr, ct|kyle: you guys are the best :) I mean it
06:19 <ct|kyle> smoothice: I'm about to push after a test
06:20 <smoothice> ct|kyle: ok
06:20 <ct|kyle> I think I have flag returned ready to go
06:20 <ct|kyle> at least to a point where you can finish it up
06:21 <smoothice> Alright
06:21 <smoothice> I'm just... amazed
06:21 <ct|kyle> then moving the flag from point a to b will be left
06:21 <smoothice> so
06:21 <smoothice> when gCycle dies
06:21 <smoothice> drop the flag
06:22 <ct|kyle> no returnHome
06:22 <ct|kyle> I think
06:22 <smoothice> oh
06:22 <smoothice> GoHome
06:22 <smoothice> or
06:22 <smoothice> no
06:22 <smoothice> it depends on the setting
06:25 <luke-jr> hm
06:25 <luke-jr> how do you detect when gCycle dies? :o
06:25 <luke-jr> what if he's respawned immediately?
06:26 <smoothice> add it to the gCycle code
06:26 <luke-jr> add what? ;)
06:26 <luke-jr> I think that kind of thing depends on epsy's eEvent system
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06:30 <luke-jr> smoothice: btw, the patch I just made was like 4 lines long :p
06:32 <smoothice> luke-jr: Lol
06:35 <ct|kyle> smoothice: I guess I don't quite have it as close as I thought
06:37 <smoothice> ct|kyle: k
06:37 <smoothice> #night
06:37 <@armabot> Good night smoothice!
06:38 <smoothice> #echo Remember folks, DST starts tonight!
06:38 <@armabot> Remember folks, DST starts tonight!
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06:43 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-v2sty] r883 merge invisible zone fixes || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2-invisible] r893 dealing with a Sync not a tColor.. || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2-invisible] r892 tFunction wants a slope always
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08:37 <luke-jr> ]later tell smoothice Just finished my first rewrite of BASE_RESPAWN and BASE_ENEMY_RESPAWN; second rewrite is planned to use zEffectors ☺
08:37 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
08:50 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-fortress-respawn] r891 fortress base respawning via BASE_RESPAWN and BASE_ENEMY_RES...
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12:47 <Lucifer> guru3: linear algebra in the US is taken after calculus
12:47 <Lucifer> at least, in my school it is
12:48 <Lucifer> wait, I might be thinking of something else
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14:03 <guru3> Lucifer: y=mx+b
14:03 <guru3> straight lines
14:03 <guru3> i was taught that in 8th grade
14:03 <guru3> which would effectively be algebra I
14:03 <guru3> then geometry
14:03 <guru3> then algebra II
14:03 <guru3> then pre-cal
14:03 <guru3> then calculus
14:03 <guru3> then statistics
14:03 <guru3> was the order i thought
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14:22 <Lucifer> guru3: ah, my understanding is that "linear algebra" is the first class in what's considered "higher math"
14:22 <Lucifer> so it introduces number theory, goes deep into matrices, and a few other things
14:23 <Lucifer> http://www3.austincc.edu/catalog/fy2009/descmath.htm#math2318
14:23 <Lucifer> math 2415, the prerequisite, is Calc 3, an introduction to vector calculus
14:27 <guru3> ah
14:27 <guru3> thinking about it too deep ><
14:28 <guru3> maybe i should have said 1st order polynomials then
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15:08 <epsy> vParser.cpp is generated right?
15:10 <smoothice> epsy: -.-
15:10 <epsy> smoothice, ?
15:10 <smoothice> epsy: why on earth do you think anyone but you would know
15:11 <epsy> because someone else than me made what used to build armagetron?
15:13 <joda_bot> epsy: The parser is generated yes
15:13 <joda_bot> epsy: I remember coding some batch script to make it work on windows
15:13 <epsy> bison right?
15:13 <joda_bot> epsy: good question, let's see if I got stale code lying around which might help me tell
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15:32 <PinkTomato> #ubuntu
15:32 <@armabot> sudo aptitude install bzr (or subversion) build-essential automake libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config autoconf autotools-dev
15:32 <epsy> joda_bot, ok, it seems to be bison
15:32 <epsy> now I wonder why FTGL won't link..
15:33 <epsy> there's -lftgl
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15:33 <joda_bot> epsy: yes it's bison
15:33 <joda_bot> sorry did not find the file I was looking for
15:33 <epsy> it's not flex :)
15:33 <Flex> ?
15:33 <joda_bot> there is a vParser.ypp (which is the input for bison)
15:33 <epsy> yeah, I got that to build
15:34 <smoothice> #dict bison
15:34 <@armabot> smoothice: gazetteer, foldoc, gcide, wn, moby-thes, and gaz-place responded: wn: bison n : any of several large shaggy-maned humped bovids having large heads and short horns; foldoc: Bison++ GNU's Yacc parser generator retargeted to C++ by Alain Coetmeur <coetmeur@icdc.fr>. Version 1.04. {(ftp://iecc.com/pub/file/bison++.tar.gz)}. {(ftp://iecc.com/pub/file/misc++.tar.gz)}. (10 more messages)
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15:59 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Pings are in the 200s on DD racing II... and I live two states away from it :P
16:04 <epsy> GRR, why isn't it building thirdpart libs?!
16:04 <epsy> thirsparty libs *
16:05 <joda_bot> epsy: it = linux gcc ? :D
16:05 <epsy> it being CMake/make
16:05 <epsy> ooo
16:06 <joda_bot> hm, afaik there has always been some dead code in the source tree ? :-P
16:08 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-cmake] r895 Builds up to libtron. Fails to link with FTGL and thirdparty... || [trunk-cmake] r894 Libnetwork builds. || [trunk-cmake] r893 Add CMakeCache to .bzrignore...
16:09 <epsy> nah, I expressedly marked them as link deps
16:17 <epsy> k..now wtf is with FTGL :S
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16:24 <PinkTomato> smoothice: could not find a problem
16:25 <guru3> woo!
16:25 <guru3> just hailed
16:26 <guru3> stood outside catching the hail & eating it
16:26 <guru3> poor mans snow cones :D
16:26 <ct|kyle> LOL
16:26 <guru3> on the flip side
16:26 <guru3> my fingers are pretty coldnow
16:26 <Lucifer> #math calc 114/2
16:26 <@armabot> Lucifer: 57
16:27 <akira_arma> #tea
16:27 <@armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
16:27 <guru3> might have eaten too much hail
16:27 <guru3> feel pretty funky now
16:27 <Lucifer> maybe you should've put some syrup in your mouth before you caught the hail?
16:28 <guru3> didn't have any syrup :<
16:28 <guru3> (they were REALLY poor man's snow cones)
16:29 <Lucifer> #math calc 57/2
16:29 <@armabot> Lucifer: 28.5
16:29 <guru3> my housemate came out while i was making and tossing hail balls with the stuff on the ground
16:29 <guru3> he looked at me pretty funny
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16:30 <epsy> I wonder if there was any special treatment for ftgl
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16:30 <z-man> Bah.
16:30 <epsy> it fails to link :<
16:30  * z-man was looking forward to seeing Godzilla vs King Kong
16:31 <z-man> and it's the American version :(
16:31 <epsy> is that bad?
16:31 <Lucifer> the american version sucks
16:31 <Lucifer> japanese version is much better
16:31 <z-man> There's this guy explaining everyting.
16:31 <Lucifer> actually, I don't remember if there's a japanese version of that one
16:31 <Lucifer> but king kong vs mothra was really badass
16:31 <z-man> Sure there is.
16:32 <Lucifer> grrrr, where's my scissors?
16:32 <epsy> if I tell g++ to -lftgl on an input of just "#include <FTGL/ftgl.h>", it won't even try to link FTGL will it?
16:32 <guru3> left top drawer of your desk Lucifer
16:33 <Lucifer> my fancy new juggling balls are peeling already, and I'd like to snag a pattern from them before they're too far gone so I can make more just like them
16:33 <z-man> epsy: no, you need to actually use one of the functions for a true linkage test.
16:33  * Lucifer doesn't have drawers on his desk
16:33 <epsy> how to I tell bash to put newlines in the middle of my commandline?
16:33 <guru3> well, no wonder you can't find then
16:35 <epsy> bah
16:35 <epsy> any easy to use FTGL symbol?
16:35 <guru3> look at the configure test for it
16:35 <Lucifer> what's wrong with the one configure already uses?
16:37 <epsy> $ g++ -I/usr/include/freetype2/ -fpermissive -lftgl -x c++ test.cpp
16:37 <epsy> /tmp/cc0OI1qB.o: In function `main':
16:37 <epsy> test.cpp:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `ftglRenderGlyph()'
16:37 <epsy> meh
16:37 <Lucifer> means the test failed, eh?
16:37 <epsy> yeah
16:37 <guru3> wouldn't that imply it's not installed properly?
16:37 <guru3> (or some such)
16:38 <epsy> arma builds it, and pkg-config recognizes it
16:38 <smoothice> #seen luke-jr
16:39 <@armabot> smoothice: luke-jr was last seen in #armagetron 8 hours, 1 minute, and 45 seconds ago: <luke-jr> ]later tell smoothice Just finished my first rewrite of BASE_RESPAWN and BASE_ENEMY_RESPAWN; second rewrite is planned to use zEffectors ☺
16:39 <smoothice> luke-jr: we committed a crime... the modification of zFortress! *dun dun dunnnnnn*
16:39 <epsy> smoothice, if it needed to be modified, then it means it failed
16:40 <smoothice> ?
16:40 <epsy> the modification is a part of the road to make it fully effective
16:40 <smoothice> well
16:40 <epsy> ie. not needing to change it ever anymore
16:40 <smoothice> kyle added a function of zFortress
16:40 <smoothice> and made it a method in the header
16:40 <smoothice> and
16:40 <smoothice> luke-jr told me not to
16:40 <smoothice> w/e
16:41 <epsy> well, you should first try to do whatever you want to do without editing it
16:41 <epsy> if something is effectively lacking on zFortress, then add it
16:41 <smoothice> ok
16:41 <smoothice> well
16:41 <smoothice> It was the ability to check the owner team of zFortress from another class
16:42 <smoothice> of a zFortressZone, rather
16:42 <epsy> like, just moving from private to public?
16:42 <smoothice> no
16:42 <smoothice> It wasn't a method
16:42 <epsy> adding an Owner() method?
16:42 <smoothice> Ooooh
16:42 <smoothice> no
16:42 <smoothice> kyle did
16:42 <smoothice> tString getTeam(){return team->Name();}
16:42 <smoothice> added to header
16:42 <epsy> baaad
16:43 <smoothice> ct|kyle: ^ -.-
16:43 <guru3> what could you use that for?
16:43 <epsy> get team should return a TEAM
16:43 <epsy> not a team NAME
16:43 <smoothice> ooooo
16:43 <smoothice> right
16:43 <smoothice> so
16:43 <smoothice> return team
16:43 <smoothice> ;
16:43 <guru3> is team a pointer
16:43 <guru3> or an object?
16:43 <epsy> and change the signature
16:43 <guru3> if it's an object you'll need to return a pointer
16:43 <epsy> guru3, pointer, because of the ->
16:44 <guru3> good point
16:44 <epsy> :)
16:44 <smoothice> what do you mean change the signature
16:44 <guru3> otherwise it'd be , right?
16:44 <epsy>  .
16:44 <guru3> that's what i meant
16:44 <guru3> damn these mini keyboards
16:44 <epsy> ^^
16:44 <smoothice>   if(other->getTeam() == player->CurrentTeam()->Name()){
16:44 <guru3> and :: if you were calling it outside of the class
16:45 <smoothice> wow
16:45 <smoothice> now I'm confused by ->, ., and ::
16:45 <smoothice> I thought I understood it -.-
16:45 <guru3> all depends on where you stand and where you're looking
16:45 <epsy> :: accesses static members OR namespaces
16:46 <epsy> . accesses members
16:46 <guru3> ive never fully understood namespaces
16:46 <epsy> -> accesses members of a pointer
16:46 <epsy> (it's just . without you needing to * it)
16:46 <smoothice> yeah.. and the whole concept of pointers if iffy for me too
16:46 <smoothice> it links the memory together
16:46 <smoothice> or something?
16:46 <guru3> could you instead do (&pointer).member() ? ;)
16:46 <epsy> the operators for it are rather confusing
16:47 <epsy> guru3, not sure if it's not the opposite
16:47 <guru3> oh wait that should be *
16:47 <epsy> ah
16:47 <epsy> yeha
16:47 <guru3> & = address of
16:47 <guru3> * = dereference operator
16:47 <epsy> &* = undereference operator
16:47 <epsy> :o)
16:47 <guru3> Oo
16:48 <guru3> should &* just cancel out?
16:48 <guru3> like anti-matter and matter?
16:48 <smoothice> dereference pointer?
16:48 <smoothice> undeference?
16:48 <smoothice> wtf!!!
16:48 <smoothice> -.-
16:48 <guru3> have you ever read a novel smoothice?
16:48 <smoothice> Yeah
16:48 <guru3> know how there are page numbers?
16:48 <smoothice> Yeah
16:48 <guru3> those are like addresses
16:48 <smoothice> ok
16:49 <guru3> &(Chapter 1)
16:49 <smoothice> I see what you're saying
16:49 <guru3> would be the page number of chapter 1
16:50 <epsy> very good metaphor
16:50 <smoothice> epsy: so tString getTeam(){return team;}
16:50 <guru3> err!
16:50 <epsy> is team a tString? :)
16:50 <smoothice> instead of team->Name();?
16:50 <guru3> *eTeam getTeam
16:50 <smoothice> uh
16:50 <smoothice> no
16:50 <smoothice> eTeam
16:50 <epsy> noo
16:50 <smoothice> *?
16:50 <epsy> poinnter to eTeam
16:50 <guru3> *eTeam getTeam(){return team;}
16:50 <smoothice> eTeam * getTeam(){return team;}
16:50 <epsy> so, say that it is a pointer: eTeam* getTeam
16:50 <epsy> yeah
16:50 <smoothice> does it matter where the * goes/
16:50 <guru3> whoops got my * in the wrong place
16:51 <guru3> i'm not sure actually -_-
16:51 <smoothice> yeah
16:51 <smoothice> :/
16:51 <epsy> also, think of * as "this is a pointer"
16:51 <smoothice> ok
16:51 <smoothice> so what is the & for
16:51 <guru3> int * test = & something;
16:51 <guru3> read & as "address of"
16:51 <guru3> int * test = & something; -> the integer test is a pointer containing the address of something;
16:51 <epsy> & is either "gimme pointer" either "gimme reference"
16:52 <smoothice> so a pointer refers to a reference/
16:52 <smoothice> ?
16:52 <epsy> these are pretty much opposites
16:52 <epsy> a pointer points to a space in your memory
16:52 <wrtlprnft> pointers and references are the same, really, they're just handled differently :x
16:52 <smoothice> ...
16:52 <epsy> a reference is when you have the hold over the original object
16:52 <wrtlprnft> references are pointers that try to look like objects
16:55 <wrtlprnft> the big difference is that once you initialized a reference you can't change the spot it points to
17:00 <guru3> now i'm confused too :/
17:00 <guru3> back to php
17:00 <epsy> hehe
17:00 <guru3> and javascript
17:00 <guru3> good ol' dissertation
17:00 <guru3> where the work isn't in the programming
17:01 <guru3> but the rather sketchy theory i've developed on what constitutes valid data
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17:03 <wrtlprnft> still beats java
17:04 <guru3> java... is one of those languages that tries to be too clever i think
17:04 <wrtlprnft> public void foo(int i, String s) {}
17:05 <guru3> private
17:05 <guru3> and the 3 inbetween
17:05 <wrtlprnft> who would, without reading tons of docs, guess that i is a by-value parameter and s is a reference?
17:05 <guru3> i never knew that
17:05 <wrtlprnft> everything is a reference except the basic numeric types
17:05 <guru3> and if that means what i think it does, that's crazy
17:06 <wrtlprnft> public void foo(int i, String s) {i = 1; s = "hi";}
17:06 <wrtlprnft> int i = 5; String s = ""; foo(i, s); // i is still 5, but s is "hi"
17:07 <wrtlprnft> even (in c) 0[somePointer] is more understandable to me
17:08 <epsy> rofl
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17:11 <ct|kyle> yes I knew it was bad, I just was too lazy to figure out the right santax
17:11 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-v2sty] r885 getTeam should return the eTeam itself, not its name || [armagetronad-v2sty] r884 Setting up for flag to be taken home || [trunk-cmake] r896 scrap builds and links. FTGL still bugging me....
17:14 <epsy> gaaah..
17:14 <dlh> wrtlprnft: that's not correct. You can't point the reference to a new object in Java.
17:16 <dlh> they call it passing a reference by value
17:18 <wrtlprnft> err, sorry
17:18 <wrtlprnft> haven't done java in some time
17:19 <wrtlprnft> subsitute the String by an array
17:19 <wrtlprnft> and then change a member of that array
17:20 <wrtlprnft> *an element, to be more correct
17:22 <dlh> Right, you can modify the object (or array), but you can't point it to a new object.
17:23 <epsy> http://armagetronad.pastebin.com/m2f5e1ccb
17:23 <epsy> any idea?
17:23 <dlh> link to freetype?
17:24 <wrtlprnft> you can point it to a new object, but the calling function won't notice :-)
17:25 <dlh> right :)
17:26 <epsy> dlh, very good idea
17:26 <dlh> #bye
17:26 <@armabot> Goodbye dlh :(
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17:28 <epsy> woot, that's a client! :D
17:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:29 <epsy> wrtlprnft, getting arma to build with cmake :)
17:29 <wrtlprnft> oh, sweet!
17:30 <epsy> hehe
17:30 <epsy> so far I got it to build clients that don't know where to find their data :>
17:30 <wrtlprnft> should have looked a little more closely at that pastebin post
17:30 <epsy> indeed :)
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18:15 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-cmake] r897 Client builds but doesn't find it's data....
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18:41 <epsy> zmanuel, was it possible to run arma from an outsourced build?
18:42 <zmanuel> sure.
18:42 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
18:42 <epsy> how did it do that?
18:42 <epsy> did it just copy files?
18:43 <z-man> no, it read them from the source directory.
18:43 <z-man> Apart from the resources.
18:43 <epsy> hrm, but how did it build language/languages.txt without touching the source dir?
18:44 <z-man> Ah, those were of course built in the build directory.
18:44 <Pathetique> #ls PhD
18:45 <smoothice> #ls epsy
18:45 <epsy> hmm
18:45 <@armabot> Pathetique: timed out
18:45 <@armabot> smoothice: epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café 9 minutes ago.
18:45 <smoothice> Café :P
18:45 <Pathetique> so if he times out
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18:45 <Pathetique> It means he can't find entries on him?
18:45 <smoothice> yep
18:45 <epsy> z-man, what to do then? write in the source directory? :/
18:45 <Pathetique> FFS.
18:45 <z-man> No, all writes go to the build directory.
18:46 <epsy> so what will I do with language/languages.txt then?
18:46 <epsy> just let arma not run from an outsourced build?
18:47 <z-man> well, yeah.
18:48 <epsy> Pathetique, #help lastseen
18:48 <epsy> Pathetique, visit that URL with the correct player name
18:48 <epsy> Pathetique, it won't time out
18:48 <Pathetique> kk
18:49 <akira_arma> #tea
18:49 <@armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (13/32): + noobSaibot, +|SmOoThice~NW, .dBd|Pathetique, Concord, CTxGonZaP, cT¬speedmaster, FLP|RAM, Monkey.D.Luffy, NoChat, NüMb3r$, patelni, Pdfef, Zephyr
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18:53 <Pathetique> #ls qp.acid
18:53 <@armabot> Pathetique: timed out
18:53 <Pathetique> ffs
18:55 <epsy> GID queries are usually way faster
18:55 <Pathetique> Indeed.
18:55 <epsy> so use them when you can
18:55 <Pathetique> #help aka
18:56 <@armabot> Pathetique: (aka <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web fetch [format concat http://ratings.armagetronad.net/aka.php?slashes=1&name=[urlquote @1]]".
18:58 <P4> .42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioVEt9CZpi4
18:58 <P4> d'oh, wrong channel
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18:59 <Pathetique> GodTodd: How do you like the FiOS?
19:19 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-v2sty] r886 flag home returns and stuff
19:19 <luke-jr> also, IIRC, tString is being phased out
19:20 <epsy> luke-jr, talking to me?
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19:22 <luke-jr> I think the current zone ownership setup is broken
19:23 <luke-jr> Zones v2 has a concept of owners and owner teams, but zFortress doesn't use it I think
19:24 <epsy> by the way have my commits about tTrueVersion.h/.cpp been fully reverted?
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19:25 <epsy> seems like it
19:26 <smoothice> luke-jr: tString phaseout?
19:26 <smoothice> luke-jr: replace with what?
19:26 <luke-jr> standard C++ string
19:26 <smoothice> NO WAY!
19:26 <luke-jr> …
19:26 <epsy> std::string
19:26 <smoothice> std::string?
19:26 <smoothice> NO WAY!
19:26 <epsy> yes way
19:26 <luke-jr> why not?
19:26 <smoothice> because
19:26 <smoothice> there is no way
19:26 <smoothice> arma could possibly
19:26 <epsy> indeed, why not?
19:26 <smoothice> use standard stuff
19:26 <luke-jr> …
19:27 <smoothice> no way
19:27 <smoothice> that's like
19:27 <luke-jr> fine
19:27 <smoothice> revolutionary
19:27 <smoothice> ?
19:27 <luke-jr> then we need to port to Qt
19:27 <smoothice> ?
19:27 <epsy> fuck no
19:27 <luke-jr> LOL
19:27 <epsy> we already have boost in the works so QT ..
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19:38 <luke-jr> [ 47%] Built target kdontchangethehostname
19:38 <luke-jr> wtf is this crap
19:38 <luke-jr> <.<
19:39 <epsy> O_o?
19:39 <epsy> that's not from me lol
19:39 <epsy> what target is that from?
19:39 <luke-jr> kdelibs
19:40 <epsy> OH
19:40 <epsy> bugger you, I thought it was from trunk-cmake
19:40 <luke-jr> that exists? :O
19:40 <epsy> yeah, I'm working on it
19:40 <epsy> https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/trunk-cmake
19:41 <luke-jr> why? :x
19:41 <epsy> autotools gets on my nerves :<
19:41 <luke-jr> mine too, but does cmake really improve?
19:41 <epsy> yeah, it is quite clearer
19:41 <luke-jr> autotools takes care of a lot of nice things, like cross-compiling
19:41 <epsy> and easier to add new stuff
19:42 <luke-jr> hum
19:42 <luke-jr> well, who needs cross-compiling anyhow? :D
19:42 <luke-jr> I'm not sure that actually works for Arma right now anyhow
19:42 <epsy> well, you can't cross-compile with current setup anyway >.>
19:44 <luke-jr> good luck :D
19:48 <epsy> heh
19:48 <epsy> well, it builds a client already
19:49 <epsy> just need to find out what AT called for scripts to move stuff around and I'll soon have a working client
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20:11 <luke-jr> epsy: any chance it builds a client and server without clobbering each other's .o files?
20:12 <epsy> one of my goals
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20:24 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
20:25 <@armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 79.2°F (3:24 PM EDT on March 08, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Falling).
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21:27 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-v2sty] r888 Fixed server crash due to Timestep issue || [armagetronad-v2sty] r887 Drop the flag when the cycle dies...and other various things...
21:39 <akira_arma_> #tea
21:40 <@armabot> akira_arma_: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): 'rope, -»|hoop, 5up3rM4r10, bubblesjs, JP°Sandtrap, Spencer, ThreeKeys
21:40 <smoothice> #seen hoop
21:41 <@armabot> smoothice: hoop was last seen in #armagetron 4 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <hoop> bad idea
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21:54 <guru3> can anyone recommend a mobile phone?
21:55 <smoothice> yes
21:55 <epsy> for what kind of use?
21:55 <guru3> quad/tri band international calls
21:55 <guru3> no wifi or mp3 player
21:55 <smoothice> gsm?
21:55 <guru3> yes
21:55 <epsy> just phone + SMS gsm?
21:55 <guru3> 3g
21:55 <epsy> ah
21:55 <epsy> hmm
21:55 <guru3> 2.5g
21:55 <guru3> edge
21:55 <guru3> the works
21:55 <smoothice> iPhone :)
21:56 <epsy> well, I would have suggested the nokia 1600 if you didn't put this constraint
21:56 <ct|kyle> guru3: no wifi or mp3 player
21:56 <ct|kyle> so smoothice how is iphone in that resrtiction
21:56 <guru3> smoothice: you're the 2nd person to say iphone
21:56 <smoothice> well
21:56 <smoothice> why is it a restriction
21:56 <ct|kyle> ivantis2 would say G1
21:57 <smoothice> Android is crap in a hole :D
21:57 <epsy> android looks good
21:57 <smoothice> LOOKS
21:57 <smoothice> app store
21:57 <epsy> the phone seems to suck
21:57 <smoothice> $3 minimum price
21:57 <guru3> i wouldn't really _mind_ wifi and mp3 player
21:57 <guru3> but i'll never use them
21:57 <smoothice> iPhone
21:57 <epsy> smoothice, why would I pay for everything I need on my phone?
21:57 <smoothice> you don't have to pay for an mp3 player
21:57 <smoothice> -.-
21:58 <epsy> also
21:58 <epsy> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/LoChjdTYTRs/article.pl
21:58 <smoothice> so?
21:59 <epsy> REALLY closed distribution scheme ftl
21:59 <epsy> (and nokia's/symbian's isn't much better tbh)
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21:59 <Lizmatic> symbian, isn't that the toy you want BabyBug? xD
22:00 <epsy> symbian is an operating system you can find on many many phones
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22:01 <epsy> I can't really think of any tri/quad that only does phone&sms
22:02 <epsy> why do you only want tri or quad ?
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22:03 <guru3> because i ay wind up in the US in two or three years
22:03 <guru3> and i may visit sooner than that
22:03 <epsy> er, they don't have GSM anymore?
22:03 <ivantis2> no android is great
22:03 <ivantis2> app store? what shit
22:03 <ivantis2> Android Market
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22:04 <guru3> the US uses gsm 850 and 1900
22:04 <guru3> while EU uses 900 and 1800
22:05 <ivantis2> what about other continents/countries?
22:05 <ivantis2> canada/mexico/mid-americas are on the US one?
22:05 <guru3> i think so
22:05 <guru3> most everywhere in the world has some form of GSM though
22:05 <guru3> the US used to be very big though on CDMA
22:05 <guru3> they're big on some other sort of DMA now though
22:06 <ivantis2> isnt GSM that stuff that it says isnt in hot dogs?
22:06 <guru3> but cingular and at&t brought up the gsm network
22:06 <BabyBug> Lizmatic >.<
22:07 <epsy> well, there's this phone which I used until some months ago:
22:07 <epsy> http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3607397&section_id=530&culture=en-GB
22:07 <ivantis2> android is an operating system that is very good and that you need to buy a phone running
22:08 <guru3> because for example, it runs like crap on an openmoko
22:08 <guru3> because it's hard coded for the stupid scroll thingy
22:08 <epsy> trying to use a touchscreen OS on a non-touchscreen phone huh?
22:08 <guru3> the openmoko is touch screen
22:09 <guru3> the thing is it doesn't have a keyboard
22:09 <epsy> yeah
22:09 <epsy> the G1 has both
22:09 <guru3> yeah
22:09 <guru3> and i would be interested too
22:09 <guru3> if the screen didn't move like it did
22:09 <guru3> shit like that _breaks_
22:10 <epsy> how does it move?
22:10 <guru3> the G1 screen slides sideways on two arms
22:10 <guru3> to reveal the keyboard
22:10 <epsy> like, it rises up?
22:10 <guru3> no
22:10 <guru3> it goes sideways
22:10 <guru3> parallel movement
22:10 <epsy> yeah
22:10 <epsy> what's wrong with this?
22:11 <guru3> it moves.
22:11 <epsy> it doesn't stay in place?
22:11 <guru3> no
22:11 <epsy> or you just don't like sliders
22:11 <guru3> it's not sliding
22:11 <guru3> there's no track or rail
22:11 <guru3> or any guide
22:11 <guru3> you could slide it to the side and then wrip it off
22:12 <guru3> because the leverage is there
22:12 <epsy> r...r..really???
22:12 <guru3> that was my impression from playing with it at the t-mobile store
22:12 <epsy> but...how did HTC sell suck a thing?!
22:12 <epsy> such *
22:13 <ivantis2> dude
22:13 <guru3> i don't know
22:13 <epsy> well, in the same style there's one of the LG phones
22:13 <ivantis2> you is needing a G1
22:13 <ivantis2> i love it!
22:13 <epsy> it has an on screen numpad plus a side-keyboard
22:13 <ct|kyle> told you guru3 :P
22:13 <ivantis2> on screen numpad?
22:14 <guru3> a keyboard might be handy
22:14 <ivantis2> oh yeah in the dialer application
22:14 <guru3> but like
22:14 <epsy> let me find that link
22:14 <guru3> i want a candy bar of decent proportions
22:14 <ivantis2> vodafone has some deal for a new one without the keyboard
22:15 <epsy> http://uk.lge.com/products/model/detail/mobilephones_ks360.jhtml
22:15 <epsy> well, 6300 would do
22:15 <epsy> it looks really good
22:16 <epsy> no keyboard though, and screen gets full of dust
22:16 <guru3> the thing is right
22:16 <guru3> i don't really use my phone very much
22:16 <guru3> i use my 770 and ipod a lot more
22:16 <guru3> it's just i need the 3g quad band
22:17 <epsy> well, at worst you'd buy it in the US
22:17 <guru3> the nokia e66 doesn't look too bad
22:18 <guru3> the things are too thin
22:18 <guru3> i need short and stocky
22:18 <guru3> so i can keep track of where it is
22:18 <ivantis2> just buy a G1
22:19 <epsy> well, it's 295 in UK
22:19 <epsy> £
22:19 <epsy> http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3886745&culture=en-GB
22:19 <ivantis2> really?
22:19 <epsy> but has s60, so multithreading&co
22:19 <guru3> could possibly get it cheaper in sweden
22:20 <epsy> http://shop.nokia.se/nokia-se/product.aspx?sku=3873221&culture=sv-SE
22:20 <epsy> #g 4195 kr in £
22:20 <@armabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:20 <epsy> #g 4195 kr in pounds
22:20 <@armabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:21 <guru3> #g 4195 sek in gbp
22:21 <@armabot> guru3: 4195 Swedish kronor = 323.504134 British pounds
22:21 <guru3> #g 4195 / 1.25
22:21 <@armabot> guru3: 4,195 / 1.25 = 3,356
22:21 <guru3> #g 3356 sek in gbp
22:21 <@armabot> guru3: 3356 Swedish kronor = 258.803307 British pounds
22:21 <guru3> that's more like it
22:21 <epsy> I however don't see where the menu keys are
22:22 <guru3> i hate these new sorts of phones
22:22 <guru3> i want the new hardware with the old OS
22:22 <guru3> give me make 4 greyscale
22:22 <epsy> why?
22:22 <guru3> *back
22:22 <eddiefantastic> hi! can anyone help me with building the trunk client from source on ubuntu?
22:22 <epsy> multithreading is damn great
22:23 <guru3> ive been using the same phone for the last 3 years
22:23 <guru3> a T68i circa 2001
22:23 <eddiefantastic> ./protoc: error while loading shared libraries: li.protobuf.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
22:23 <guru3> well, the T68 is circa 2001
22:23 <epsy> like, switch from the IRC client to the webbrowser while listening to music
22:23 <guru3> the T68i is a bit later
22:23 <eddiefantastic> that seems to be the root of my problem
22:23 <epsy> eddiefantastic, idn't protobuf in the repos?
22:24 <guru3> i don't particularly want a phone that makes a statement
22:24 <ivantis2> did you know that i am swedish?
22:24 <eddiefantastic> protobuf-2.0.3 has been installed from source
22:24 <guru3> no
22:26 <epsy> you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, run ldconfig, or make symlinks
22:26 <ivantis2> im also like a quarter italian
22:26 <eddiefantastic> epsy: if it is in the repos I couldn't find it
22:27 <epsy> guru3, http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3893519&culture=en-GB
22:27 <guru3> stocky in the wrong direction
22:27 <epsy> eddiefantastic, so you installed it in /usr/local/ ?
22:28 <eddiefantastic> ldconfig seemed to do the trick, it seems to be on its way...
22:28 <epsy> always run ldconfig after installing libs, like they told you to :)
22:29 <eddiefantastic> you mean rtfm? Never!
22:29 <BabyBug> protobuf is in the repos :s libprotobuf-dev and protobuf-compiler
22:29 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-v2sty] r889 Fixed crash when player holding flag disconnects
22:31 <eddiefantastic> BabyBug: not in 8.04 it aint. I had to build ftgl by hand also, mine was out of date
22:32 <BabyBug> oh =x
22:32 <eddiefantastic> I had a couple of bad experiences with 8.10, namely that annoying network manager thing. Back on 8.04 now
22:34 <BabyBug> hey!! arn't you the welsh guy?!
22:34 <guru3> i hate network manager
22:34 <guru3> a lot
22:34 <eddiefantastic> yeah, I'm still afraid to reboot my server :S
22:34 <eddiefantastic> BabyBug: yeah! Hi!
22:35 <BabyBug> ooooo HI! :D
22:35 <eddiefantastic> And I'm sure there's others ;)
22:35 <smoothice> eddiefantastic: why are you afraid? scared of 8.10 woes you had before?
22:35 <epsy> grmm, what used to produce tUniversalVariables.h.in ?
22:36 <eddiefantastic> It has trouble saving network configs
22:36 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508714B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
22:37 <BabyBug> eddiefantastic, none that i know of ='(
22:38 <eddiefantastic> Well, it works! I think I need to upgrade my graphics drivers
22:38 <smoothice> z-man: do you have any possible idea about this problem I'm having? -> if I make a flag zone and in one of the methods I set the alpha to 50 , it acts like it sets it to 0 instead of 75
22:38 <smoothice> on a percentage scake
22:38 <smoothice> scale*
22:40 <z-man> nope.
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22:59 <nsh22> hey hey hey
22:59 <smoothice> hi
22:59 <smoothice> #q
22:59 <@armabot> smoothice: Quote #54: "<Lucifer_arma> nah, he disappeared. I think God is dead." (added by GodTodd at 05:48 PM, August 10, 2007)
23:00 <epsy> BabyBug, what version of CMake do you have on ubuntu?
23:01 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@p508714B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
23:01 <BabyBug>   Ymgeisydd: 2.6.2-1ubuntu1
23:01 <epsy> ty
23:01 <epsy> is that ROT1 ?!
23:01 <epsy> orn ot
23:01 <BabyBug> what?!
23:02 <epsy> nm
23:14 <smoothice> z-man: k
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23:22 <ivantis2> onoloht: ab, vg'f EBG2
23:22 <ivantis2> wow
23:23 <ivantis2> i have an amazing name
23:23 <ivantis2> ivan in rot13 is vina
23:23 <ivantis2> it contains all of the original letters, rearranged
23:24 <BabyBug> Ohhhh now i get epsy's question...
23:24 <BabyBug> ty ivantis2, you were actually useful for once..what a shocker
23:24 <BabyBug> and erm epsy, no... Ymgeisydd is welsh you bewb! :P
23:25 <epsy> lol!
23:26 <ivantis2> i was helpful?
23:26 <ivantis2> by what?
23:32 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-v2sty] r892 This should make flags follow the cycle || [armagetronad-v2sty] r891 misc. fixes || [armagetronad-v2sty] r890 attempt at the flag following the cycle || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r914 Very basic tailchasing ability. Doesn't work properly yet....
23:35 <BabyBug> fortress ai broked again ='(
23:36 <fonkay> troll alert.
23:37 <nsh22> where?
23:37 <ivantis2> THERE! TROLL!
23:37 <fonkay> forums.
23:37 <fonkay> oh... and me
23:37 <ivantis2> ~ping
23:37 <The_Master> pong
23:37 <fonkay> forgot about myself
23:37 <nsh22> whos da troll?
23:38  * ct|kyle pokes BabyBug gently with a very sharp knife 
23:38 <ivantis2> ttech's bot?
23:38 <ivantis2> ow
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23:40 <fonkay> bioman? whoever that is. He's made a few random posts before, nothing worth mentioning.
23:40 <nsh22> how is he trolling?
23:41 <ivantis2> by being reported
23:41 <nsh22> #google 8 of march
23:41 <@armabot> nsh22: Search took 0.11 seconds: International Women's Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women's_Day>; March 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_8>; About International Women's Day 2009: <http://www.internationalwomensday.com/about.asp>; International Women's Day 2009: (2 more messages)
23:42 <fonkay> you could... you know reading it yourself
23:43 <ivantis2> &google 4 of november
23:43 <nsh22> psht
23:43 -!- ivantis2 is now known as ivansbot
23:43 <nsh22> FAILBOT
23:43  * fonkay should not watch tv, eat and irc at the same time...
23:43 <nsh22> lol
23:43 <fonkay> her sentences do not make much sense.
23:45 <epsy> ivansbot, ping
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23:45 <ivantis2> ??
23:45 <epsy> ivantis2, ping
23:45 <ivantis2> it wouldnt let me change nicks while i was here
23:45 <ivantis2> epsy: pong
23:46 <epsy> ok that's not a bot
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