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Log from 2009-02-19:
--- Day changed Thu Feb 19 2009
00:13 <fonkay> Lucifer: I find it harder to get on. Which leads to less falling off.
00:14 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-122-118-62.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
00:15 <smoothice> &seen luke-jr
00:15 <armastybot> smoothice: luke-jr was last seen in #armagetron 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <luke-jr> lol
00:15 <smoothice> #seen luke-jr
00:15 <@armabot> smoothice: luke-jr was last seen in #armagetron 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <luke-jr> lol
00:15 <smoothice> @seen luke-jr
00:32 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@p50870C71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
00:47 <epsy> does arma handle IPV6?
00:47 <epsy> luke-jr: ?
00:47 <smoothice> epsy: yes
00:47 <epsy> on 0.2.8 ?
00:48 <smoothice> I believe so, yes
00:48 <epsy> how do you "believe" so?
00:48 <smoothice> I remember reading something on the Wiki about it
00:48 <smoothice> wiki.armagetronad.net
00:49 <epsy> @aawikis ipv6
00:49 <teabot> epsy: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/?title=AANews&useskin=aan_orig - AANews - Armagetron Advanced Wiki
00:50 <epsy> @uptime
00:50 <epsy> I wonder how long it kept up
00:51 <epsy> http://www.google.com/search?q=ipv6+site%3Awiki.armagetronad.net
00:52 <epsy> oh, I didn't see G5 left the DNS one
00:52 <epsy> he specified an arma server address using ipv6
00:52 <epsy> (luke-jr is supposedly working on ipv6 support, that's why I hl'd him)
00:53 <smoothice> oh ok
00:53 <smoothice> I need luke too
00:53 <smoothice> I need some mentorship on my zonesv2-sty port
00:54 <smoothice> I really want to do it but I don't know if I have the experience
00:54 <smoothice> to do it correctly
00:54 <epsy> well, start with something, and fix what goes wrong
00:54 <epsy> you don't have to come up with anything compatible at first shot
00:55 <epsy> look at guru3, he made his server browser by trial and error on the protocol which he plainly reverse-engineered
00:55 <smoothice> but he is experienced in this stuff
00:55 <smoothice> I'm not as
00:55 <smoothice> I started by copying the contents of gWinZone to zCTF
00:56 <smoothice> and removed shot and ball stuff
00:56 <smoothice> but I got confused when I saw redundant functions and strange stuff
00:56 <epsy> not really, if he was experienced with the protocol he wouldn't be just reverse-engineering it
00:56 <epsy> look at me, even
00:56 <smoothice> and interaction between gCycle
00:56 <smoothice> ?
00:56 <smoothice> you have the most LP karma
00:56 <epsy> I'm currently doing dynamically loadable modules
00:57 <epsy> and? that's just from bulk actions on bug tracker and such
00:57 <epsy> karma on lp doesn't mean much
00:57 <epsy> I'm seriousely quite new to C++ developement
00:58 <smoothice> &later tell luke-jr when you have the time I'd like to ask you some questions about the zonesv2-sty port
00:58 <armastybot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
00:58 <epsy> so yeah, I'm somewhat a kind of guy which can push a little amount of work before seeing result
00:58 <smoothice> uh huh
00:58 <epsy> for example, I was going to write the code which would index included modules
00:59 <epsy> for now, it just uses tDirectories::ListFiles or something, and I'm just printing it's output to stdout
00:59 <epsy> very professional, isn't it? :)
00:59 <smoothice> :?
00:59 <smoothice> :/
01:00 <epsy> now I'm a little stuck because I fail to spell tools/tPolynomial
01:01 <epsy> ( I'm already at my fifth try to get it spelled right in Makefile.am hah )
01:03 <smoothice> lol
01:04 <epsy> now I gotta wonder where's our protbuf stuff documented at
01:05 <epsy> damn!
01:05 <smoothice> lol
01:05 <smoothice> epsy: Tu parles francais?
01:05 <smoothice> epsy: Parles-tu francais?
01:05 <epsy> I do
01:05 <smoothice> figured
01:05 <epsy> why are you asking me then? :)
01:06 <smoothice> I don't know lol
01:10 <epsy> Lucifer, is the nex protobuf stuff documented somewhere?
01:11 <epsy> new*
01:12 <smoothice> &seen zmanuel
01:12 <armastybot> smoothice: I have not seen zmanuel.
01:12 <smoothice> &seen z-man
01:12 <armastybot> smoothice: I have not seen z-man.
01:12 <smoothice> ok then...
01:12 <epsy> #seen z-man
01:13 <@armabot> epsy: z-man was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <z-man> The host is back up, but not the vps.
01:13 <epsy> smoothice, why do we need armastybot here?
01:13 <smoothice> armastybot is faster than armabot
01:13 <armastybot> smoothice: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
01:13 <epsy> #ping
01:14 <epsy> &ping
01:14 <armastybot> pong
01:14 <@armabot> pong
01:14 <epsy> point taken
01:14 <smoothice> ?
01:14 <smoothice> yes
01:14 <smoothice> #ping
01:14 <smoothice> &ping
01:14 <armastybot> pong
01:14 <smoothice> @ping
01:14 <@armabot> pong
01:14 <teabot> pong
01:14 <smoothice> yeah
01:14 <epsy> #ping
01:14 <epsy> &ping
01:14 <epsy> @ping
01:14 <armastybot> pong
01:14 <teabot> pong
01:14 <@armabot> pong
01:14 <smoothice> teabot isn't bad
01:14 <epsy> your benchmarks suck :P
01:14 <ct|kyle> should i invite tronner to the party :P
01:14 <smoothice> Yes!
01:15 <epsy> #ping
01:15 <epsy> &ping
01:15 <epsy> @ping
01:15 <epsy> ~ping
01:15 <epsy> .ping
01:15 <armastybot> pong
01:15 <teabot> pong
01:15 <The_Master> pong
01:15 <@armabot> pong
01:15 <smoothice> #ping
01:15 <smoothice> &ping
01:15 <armastybot> pong
01:15 <smoothice> @ping
01:15 <smoothice> .ping
01:15 <smoothice> ~ping
01:15 <The_Master> pong
01:15 <smoothice> ha
01:15 <@armabot> pong
01:15 <teabot> pong
01:15 <smoothice> I win
01:15 <smoothice> :D
01:16  * BabyBug hates bots
01:16 <epsy> BabyBug, btw I'm preparing a merge
01:16  * armastybot hates BabyBug
01:16 <BabyBug> gooooooooooooooooooooooooood
01:16 <BabyBug> #kick armastybot too bad!
01:16 -!- armastybot [n=supybot@c-76-120-73-145.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "too bad!"]
01:16 <epsy> not as good as you think
01:16 <smoothice> :O
01:16 <smoothice> screw that BabyBug
01:16 <smoothice> screw
01:17 <epsy> screw!
01:17 <BabyBug> epsy, why not?
01:17 <epsy> screw!
01:17 <epsy> screw!
01:17 <ct|kyle> you want to screw BabyBug?
01:17 <epsy> BabyBug, because it will break eEvents
01:17 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, everyone does 8-)
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01:17 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: not me :)
01:17 <BabyBug> epsy, then you can fix it ^^
01:17 <epsy> until then you are fuckt :D
01:17 <smoothice> .invite #crazy-tronners
01:18 <smoothice> &invite #crazy-tronners
01:18 <armastybot> smoothice: Error: I'm not even in #crazy-tronners.
01:18 <epsy> fail
01:18 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: because i know your that hairy old man Lucifer keeps talking about
01:18 <smoothice> &join #crazy-tronners
01:18 <epsy> &say #crazy-tronners IT'S A TRAP
01:18 <armastybot> epsy: Error: I'm not in #crazy-tronners.
01:19 <epsy> okay
01:19 <smoothice> &say armagetron epsy: you fail
01:19 <armastybot> armagetron epsy: you fail
01:19 <epsy> &say #crazy-tronners IT'S A TRAP
01:19 <armastybot> epsy: Error: I'm not in #crazy-tronners.
01:19 <epsy> [02:18] <smoothice>: &join #crazy-tronners
01:19 <smoothice> &part
01:19 -!- armastybot [n=supybot@c-76-120-73-145.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #armagetron ["smoothice"]
01:19 <smoothice> #invite armastybot
01:19 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
01:19 <smoothice> BabyBug: OP ABUSE
01:20 <epsy> #kick smoothice OP ABUSE!
01:20 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "OP ABUSE!"]
01:20 <ct|kyle> heh
01:21 <PinkTomato> :)
01:21 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has joined #armagetron
01:21 <smoothice> thanks guys, I feel so welcomed here
01:21 <ct|kyle> #r
01:21 <epsy> stop /pharting !
01:21 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:21 <PinkTomato> #r
01:21 <epsy> #roulettecheat
01:21 <@armabot> PinkTomato: *click*
01:21 <epsy> oops
01:21 <ct|kyle> #r
01:21 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:22 <epsy> #help r
01:22 <@armabot> epsy: Error: There is no command "r".
01:22 <smoothice> 01:20 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "OP ABUSE!"]
01:22 <smoothice> 01:20 <ct|kyle> heh
01:22 <epsy> #help r
01:22 <smoothice> 01:21 <PinkTomato> :)
01:22 <@armabot> epsy: Error: There is no command "r".
01:22 <smoothice> thanks PinkTomato
01:22 <smoothice> -.-
01:22 <smoothice> #r
01:22 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
01:22  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:22 <epsy> PinkTomato's :) had the same meaning as ct|kyle's heh, I'd say
01:22 <epsy> hah
01:22 <ct|kyle> LOL
01:22 <ct|kyle> he is probably reading it
01:22 <epsy> #alias add r echo $who: *click*
01:23 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
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01:23 <smoothice> -.-
01:23 <epsy> #r
01:23 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:23 <smoothice> #r
01:23 <@armabot> smoothice: *click*
01:23 <epsy> unlike you smoothice, I never loose
01:23 <epsy> #r
01:23 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:23 <smoothice> #r
01:23 <ct|kyle> #roulette
01:23 <@armabot> smoothice: *click*
01:23 <epsy> #r
01:23 <smoothice> #r
01:23 -!- ct|kyle [n=kyle@pool-71-97-147-102.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
01:23  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:23 <smoothice> #r
01:23 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:23 <@armabot> smoothice: *click*
01:23 -!- ct|kyle [n=kyle@pool-71-97-147-102.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
01:23 <epsy> #r
01:23 <@armabot> smoothice: *click*
01:23 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:23 <smoothice> #r
01:23 <epsy> #r
01:23 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
01:23 <PinkTomato> this game is deadly
01:23  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:23 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:23 <epsy> except when you cheat
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01:23 <PinkTomato> #roulettecheat
01:24 <smoothice> #roulettecheat
01:24 <smoothice> #help roulettecheat
01:24 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: There is no command "roulettecheat".
01:24 <ct|kyle> #r
01:24 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:24 <smoothice> #r
01:24 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
01:24  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:24 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has joined #armagetron
01:24 <smoothice> lol
01:24 <ct|kyle> #r
01:24 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:24 <smoothice> that's fake epsy
01:24 <ct|kyle> #r
01:24 <PinkTomato> r
01:24 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:24 <PinkTomato> #are
01:24 <epsy> #r
01:24 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:24 <ct|kyle> #r
01:24 <epsy> #r
01:24 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:24 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:24 <epsy> #r
01:25 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:25 <PinkTomato> #r
01:25 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@hn-33-170.brookes.ac.uk] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
01:25  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:25 <BabyBug> OMG! Stop with the #r :@
01:25 <ct|kyle> #r
01:25 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:25 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@hn-33-170.brookes.ac.uk] has joined #armagetron
01:25 <epsy> #r
01:25 <@armabot> epsy: *click*
01:25 <BabyBug> ><
01:25 <ct|kyle> #r
01:25 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:25 <epsy> those who use #r get kicked anyway
01:25 <ct|kyle> #r
01:25 <smoothice> #r
01:25 <@armabot> ct|kyle: *click*
01:25 <@armabot> smoothice: *click*
01:25 <epsy> 	netwotk/nProtoBufForward.h network/nProtoBugForard.cpp      \
01:25 <smoothice> #r spin
01:25 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:26 <smoothice> #r
01:26 <PinkTomato> help #r
01:26 <@armabot> smoothice: *click*
01:26 <epsy> I'll lay that on you BabyBug
01:26 <ct|kyle> #help r
01:26 <smoothice> #help roulette
01:26 <PinkTomato> #help r
01:26 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (r <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "roulette $*".
01:26 <@armabot> smoothice: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
01:26 <@armabot> PinkTomato: (r <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "roulette $*".
01:26 <smoothice> #r spin
01:26 <@armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
01:26 <PinkTomato> #alias add r kick $something
01:26 <@armabot> PinkTomato: The operation succeeded.
01:26 <smoothice> #r
01:26 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
01:26 <smoothice> lol
01:26 <epsy> #help r
01:27 <@armabot> epsy: (r <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $who: *click*".
01:27 <ct|kyle> #r
01:27 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
01:27 <smoothice> #part
01:27 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
01:27 <epsy> haha kyle
01:27 <smoothice> #r
01:27 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
01:28 <ct|kyle> epsy: I'm not even idenified
01:28 <ct|kyle> #whoami
01:28 <@armabot> ct|kyle: I don't recognize you.
01:28 <epsy> #r
01:28 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
01:28  * epsy rofls 
01:28 <ct|kyle> heh
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01:28 <epsy> eek, little bug
01:28 <smoothice> ...
01:28 <epsy> :D
01:28 <smoothice> #help r
01:28 <@armabot> smoothice: (r <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "kick $something".
01:29 <smoothice> -.-
01:29 <epsy> that wasn't me
01:29 <smoothice> 01:28 <epsy> #r
01:29 <smoothice> 01:28 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@unaffiliated/smoothice] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "BANG!"]
01:29 <smoothice> nice try epsy
01:29 <ct|kyle> #help r
01:29 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (r <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "kick $something".
01:29 <epsy> #help r
01:29 <@armabot> epsy: (r <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "kick smoothice BANG!".
01:29 <PinkTomato> I didn't realise $something was a useable variable
01:29 <epsy> #echo $something
01:29 <@armabot> $something
01:29 <epsy> indeed
01:29 <ct|kyle> #r
01:29 <smoothice> #echo $who
01:29 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
01:29 <@armabot> smoothice
01:30 <ct|kyle> should be $randomNick
01:30 <PinkTomato> I was aiming for always kick ^^
01:30 <PinkTomato> #kick PinkTomato
01:31 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
01:31 <PinkTomato> but you can't kick yourself
01:32 <epsy> heh yeah sadly
01:33 <epsy> even BabyBug can't
01:33 <BabyBug> Can so!
01:33 <epsy> lol?
01:33 <BabyBug> I'm just not stupid enough to do so
01:34 <epsy> <3
01:34 <BabyBug> i'm cleva!
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01:34 <smoothice> no u aren't
01:34 <BabyBug> smarter than you bewb!
01:34 <smoothice> what is the hypotenuse of a 30 60 90 degree right triangle if the longer leg is 4
01:35 <PinkTomato> 2
01:35 <smoothice> BabyBug: ?
01:35 <epsy> haha
01:35 <smoothice> fail
01:35 <smoothice> BabyBug = fail
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01:35 <BabyBug> Aha! Oh i bow down to you. You've summed up the knowledge of everything in this world in one question.
01:35 <epsy> who was it that came up with a bs simple problem with triangles?
01:36 <smoothice> me?
01:36 <smoothice> lol
01:36 <smoothice> the answer is
01:36 <smoothice> Not enough information
01:36 <PinkTomato> intelligence is not just triangles
01:36 <smoothice> haha
01:36 <smoothice> pwnt
01:36 <smoothice> It's not?
01:36 <smoothice> lol!
01:36 <epsy> you had to deduce the length of an equi's height or something
01:37 <epsy> ah no it wasn't equilateral
01:37 <smoothice> no
01:37 <smoothice> it was
01:37 <epsy> what's the word for two sides of the same length?
01:37 <BabyBug> smoothice, Of course there is enough information
01:37 <BabyBug> You idiot
01:37 <smoothice> nope
01:37 <epsy> hrhr
01:37 <smoothice> you're an idiot
01:37 <BabyBug> Yes there is
01:37 <smoothice> In a 30 60 90 triangle
01:38 <smoothice> hypotenuse = 2 times shorter leg
01:38 <smoothice> longer leg = radical 3 times the shorter leg
01:38 <smoothice> You don't know the shorter leg's length
01:38 <BabyBug> If you have one side, and all 3 angles, it's possible to calculate the length of any side...
01:39 <epsy> yeah
01:39 <epsy> well, two angles
01:39 <epsy> since you already know the third one
01:39 <BabyBug> Yes =x :P
01:39 <epsy> BOO YOUR DUMB!!!!!!!!!111
01:39 <BabyBug> lol...
01:40 <epsy> merge pushed
01:40 <epsy> don't push it don't force it, wait no
01:41 <smoothice> this is a fail convo
01:41 <smoothice> let's all shut up
01:41 <smoothice> It's my fault
01:41 <smoothice> all: k?
01:41 <BabyBug> Yes, your idiocy is your fault.
01:42 <smoothice> You're the infant here...
01:42 <BabyBug> mmmhmmm, defiantly
01:42 <PinkTomato> No I want to know the answer
01:42 <PinkTomato> !
01:42 <epsy> PinkTomato, ?
01:43 <PinkTomato> The hypotenuse of a 30 60 90 triangle. Now trying to remember what SohCahToa meant.
01:43 <smoothice> sine
01:43 <epsy> LOL
01:43 <smoothice> opposite
01:43 <epsy> wait
01:43 <smoothice> hypotenuse
01:43 <smoothice> cosine
01:43 <epsy> seriousely LOL
01:43 <smoothice> adjacent
01:43 <epsy> [02:34] <smoothice>: what is the hypotenuse of a 30 60 90 degree right triangle if the longer leg is 4
01:43 <smoothice> hypotenuse
01:43 <smoothice> tangent
01:43 <smoothice> opposite
01:43 <smoothice> adjacent
01:43 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, Wrong formulas for that kind of question.
01:43 <smoothice> yeah
01:43 <smoothice> lol
01:44 <epsy> the answer is 4
01:44 <smoothice> no
01:44 <smoothice> It isn't
01:44 <BabyBug> Technically, it is
01:44 <epsy> unless I didn't get the meaning of leg
01:44 <epsy> segment, right?
01:44 <BabyBug> The way you worded it smoothice.
01:44 <BabyBug> The hypotenuse is always the longest leg. And you said the "longer leg" was 4...
01:45 <epsy> oh, leg means the segment that ain't the hypothenuse, that makes sense
01:45 <BabyBug> shh epsy
01:45 <epsy> or .. ?
01:45 <epsy> eh
01:45 <epsy> makes sense now
01:46 <PinkTomato> I have totally forgotten Maths.
01:46 <BabyBug> lol when did you last do math? :P
01:47 <PinkTomato> Over 2 years ago.
01:47 <BabyBug> I was doing A level math until i got thrown out >.<
01:47 <epsy> h == 4 / cos( 30 )
01:47 <PinkTomato> #math cos(30)
01:48 <BabyBug> #g cos(30)
01:48 <@armabot> BabyBug: cos(30) = 0.15425145
01:48 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: Why did you get thrown out ?
01:48 <epsy> cos( 30 ) = a / h
01:48 <epsy> a = 4
01:48 <epsy> cos( 30 ) = 4 / h
01:48 <epsy> 1 / cos( 30 ) = h / 4
01:48 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, i set my physics' teacher's shirt on fire
01:48 <epsy> 4 / cos( 30 ) = h
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01:49 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: Well that makes no sense. How does what happen in Physics affect maths?
01:49 <epsy> she ain't a psycho for nothing
01:49 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, I got thrown out of school :P
01:49 <BabyBug> epsy, of course not =)
01:49 <PinkTomato> O... :(
01:50 <epsy> and put in prison?
01:50 <PinkTomato> #g 4 / 0.15425145
01:50 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:50 <BabyBug> No not put in prison
01:50 <BabyBug> lol
01:50 <BabyBug> I never did it purposely!
01:50 <epsy> @calc 4 / cos( 30 )
01:50 <teabot> epsy: 4 / cos(30) = 25.9316849
01:50 <PinkTomato> Yay!
01:50 <epsy> that's still reprehensible
01:50 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: Well that's not fair!
01:50 <BabyBug> It was the teachers fault. He should never of put me next to bunsen burner when drunk! :@
01:50 <epsy> er, that sounds insane
01:51 <PinkTomato> I don't think teachers expect drunk students to be fair
01:51 <BabyBug> still his fault...
01:51 <epsy> teachers generally don't expect to have drunk students
01:51 <epsy> and I say usually
01:52 <BabyBug> actually you said generally
01:52 <BabyBug> =x
01:52 <epsy> cos we have two psycho mothers in here
01:52 <epsy> one which went sleeping
01:52 <BabyBug> I am not a psycho ='(
01:52 <epsy> the other which has the day schedule of a vampire
01:53 <BabyBug> LOL
01:53 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: Do you even sleep?
01:53 <BabyBug> vampires sleep during the day, i don't =P
01:53 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, very rarely
01:53 <epsy> OR, they sleep for long length of times only
01:54 <epsy> very rarely
01:54 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: How do you not sleep :O
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01:54 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, a baby crying every 3 hours is one way.. =P
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01:55 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: O, I forgot. Sleep in the interval then.
01:56 <BabyBug> yeh that's pretty much what i do =x I'll just get a 30 mins nap every now and then
01:56 <epsy> I see I will have to explore protobuf myself
01:57 <BabyBug> epsy, fun!
01:57 <BabyBug> =P
01:57 <epsy> because nothing seems to use growing arrays
01:57 <epsy> *eek*
01:57 <BabyBug> growing arrays? ermm.... =x
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01:58 <epsy> arrays you don't know the length in advance
01:59 <epsy> as opposed to fixed-length arrays
01:59 <epsy> which you will never see in python
01:59 <PinkTomato> So you want PHP behaviour in arrays, but it is using Java behaviour with =new int[50] ?
01:59 <epsy> (which sucks, except maybe for not fragmenting memory)
02:00 <PinkTomato> ah, you don't want that ^^
02:00 <epsy> well, there's std::map or std::list(can't remember)
02:00 <epsy> I don't really care, it's not used for crucial stuff
02:01 <epsy> actually, they don't even have a "happened at T=xxxx" field
02:01 <epsy> and I don't plan on having that
02:01 <epsy> (except inside game recordings, ofc)
02:03 <epsy> the thing is, that it is just a framework and needs to be extensible
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02:03 <epsy> knew it
02:04 <iccleoldme> knew what?
02:05 <epsy> iccleoldme
02:05 <iccleoldme> :s
02:05 <epsy> what does the cle mean?
02:06 <iccleoldme> iccle ... It's a cute word for "little" :P
02:07 <epsy> ah, I read it as "I see " cle ?? " old me "
02:08 <PinkTomato> I did not read it as a cute word for little
02:08 <iccleoldme> hrmph!
02:08 <PinkTomato> I read it as Icicleoldme
02:09 <epsy> I cycle old me
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02:09 <iccleoldme> psssht! men..
02:09 <PinkTomato> No one uses iccle for little!
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02:09 <IccleOldMe> easier now?!?
02:10 <epsy> that sounds like german
02:10 <PinkTomato> Well it is still Icicles
02:10 <IccleOldMe> it's not freaking icicles
02:10 <IccleOldMe> and PinkTomato EVERYONE uses iccle for little!
02:10 <PinkTomato> that must be a welsh thing
02:10 <PinkTomato> like the scottish have wee
02:10 <IccleOldMe> it's not a welsh thing >.<
02:11 <IccleOldMe> at least i don't think it is
02:11 <epsy> you broke it
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02:12 <BabyBug> perhaps it is
02:12 <BabyBug> i dunno
02:12 <BabyBug> welsh things rock though!
02:12 <BabyBug> i'm a prime example of that!
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02:13 <epsy> they can even burn their physics teacher
02:14 <BabyBug> you can not hold that against me
02:15 <BabyBug> if you were there, you'd of laughed :@
02:15 <epsy> well, I didn't need to be there to laugh about it
02:15 <BabyBug> >.<...lol
02:16 <BabyBug> just get that eevent thingy done mister
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02:17 <PinkTomato> BabyBug: isn't it it Ickle?
02:17 <BabyBug> no it's iccle
02:18 <PinkTomato> but it rhymes with pickle?
02:18 <IccleOldMe> lol
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02:18 <BabyBug> iccle rhymes with pickle aswell ya numpty
02:18 <PinkTomato> Oh!
02:19 <PinkTomato> I know Iccle know, very few people say it, but it is said from time to time
02:19 <PinkTomato> To me, Iccle == lissall, (like lisp without the p)
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02:20 <PinkTomato> BlueTomato: PinkPotato gets on my nerves a lot easier than BlueTomato
02:21 -!- iccleoldme is now known as BabyBug
02:21 <BlueTomato> lol
02:21 <BabyBug> No more name stealing :@
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02:22 <PinkTomato> is that epsy is on the phone? or epsy's mobile?
02:22 <IcicleOldMe> what's the difference?
02:23 <PinkTomato> Is Epsy Talking on the phone, or does the phone represent epsy's mobile ?
02:24 <IcicleOldMe> you mean if I would be renaming based on my current activity?
02:24 <PinkTomato> Right,
02:24 <IcicleOldMe> I don't do that
02:24 <PinkTomato> Oh right, I remember now.
02:25 <IcicleOldMe> does google send every search result through a separate message or what?!
02:25 <PinkTomato> There are IPv6 Mobiles?
02:25 <IcicleOldMe> seems to work nicely with ipv6 yeah
02:25 <IcicleOldMe> I guess they do ...
02:26 <IcicleOldMe> so, I have to put in the main message how many arguments follow .. ?
02:26 <IcicleOldMe> hm no, that wouldn't work at google
02:26 <IcicleOldMe> the search result probably had an ID or something, and they would be paired
02:27 <IcicleOldMe> oh damn this will add some complexity
02:27 <IcicleOldMe> this changes the thing from receive it in one piece, execute it and trash it to
02:28 <IcicleOldMe> recieve the beginning, store it, resume other activity, receive one argument, store it, resume other activity, receive one argument, realize it is the last, execute it and trash it
02:29 <IcicleOldMe> another great use for my beloved std::map
02:30 <PinkTomato> Oo
02:30 <IcicleOldMe> at least, it probably helps for understanding different types
02:30 <IcicleOldMe> oh I'm hearing the voice from the other day
02:30 <IcicleOldMe> *rewrite rewrite rewrite*
02:33 <IcicleOldMe> and another firefox crash
02:34 <IcicleOldMe> again
02:34 <IcicleOldMe> guess I'm just going to open that link in opera
02:35 <IcicleOldMe> and yeah, youtube videos
02:38 <IcicleOldMe> erm, google code is great but it doesn't show code
02:42 <PinkTomato> #night
02:42 <@armabot> Good night PinkTomato!
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02:45 <BabyBug> LP > Google Code
02:50 <IcicleOldMe> i meant codesearch
02:53 <BabyBug> Random ---> is there some sort of variable or function or something which will return whether or not the chatbot is enabled?
02:53 <luke-jr> epsy|phone: nope ☹
02:53 <luke-jr> smoothice: not tonight, sorry
02:53 <IcicleOldMe> luke-jr, still working on it?
02:53 <luke-jr> smoothice: try Sat or Sun
02:53 <luke-jr> IcicleOldMe: ?
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02:54 <epsy> BabyBug, yes yes yes
02:54 <BabyBug> epsy, what what what? ^^
02:54 <luke-jr> o i c
02:55 <luke-jr> epsy: not really
02:55 <luke-jr> epsy: kinda low priority atm
02:55 <epsy> BabyBug, PlayerNetID::IsChatting PlayerNetID::IsChatting PlayerNetID::IsChatting
02:55 <epsy> luke-jr, ok
02:55 <luke-jr> how about PlayerNetID::IsCheating ?
02:55 <BabyBug> epsy, ok ok ok
02:55 <epsy> luke-jr, like, /god and all that?
02:55 <epsy> BabyBug, yw yw yw
02:55 <BabyBug> ok stop now
02:56 <epsy> yeah, this serialization algorithm sucked
02:56 <epsy> inefficient
02:56 <luke-jr> u fail
02:56 <epsy> we'd better start using protobuf for communicating, BabyBug
02:57 <BabyBug> ...
02:57 <epsy> right
02:58 <BabyBug> Note to self...Don't ask anything about functions, as you'll have no idea what to do with the answer ^^
03:00 <epsy> ?
03:00 <BabyBug> When i asked that question, i neglected to remember i know nothing about c++ :P
03:01 <epsy> what question?
03:01 <BabyBug> the chatbot is enabled question =P
03:01 <epsy> 00227     bool IsChatting() const { return chatting_; }
03:02 <epsy> (that being a member of ePlayerNetID
03:05 <BabyBug> can you even have an ePlayerNetID thingy in ui/uInput.cpp?
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03:05 <BabyBug> *looking like an idiot*
03:05 <epsy> yes
03:05 <BabyBug> Ok..i'll read then
03:05 <epsy> well, ui/ is under tron/ isn't it?
03:05 <BabyBug> no, just src/ui/
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03:06 <epsy> ah
03:06 <epsy> well it probably depends on render
03:06 <epsy> which depends on engine
03:06 <epsy> which contains ePlayerNetID
03:07 <epsy> but well, if ui isn't under tron/, then it's not your fault, it's just not documented
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03:18 <dlh> It is documented: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Project_Dependency_Structure
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03:18 <epsy> ah
03:18 <epsy> then it's BabyBug's fault :)
03:20 <BabyBug> wait, what's my fault?
03:21 <dlh> ui can't use anything from engine
03:21 <dlh> i think..
03:21 <BabyBug> So...There's no way to find if the chatbot is enabled?
03:22 <dlh> What are you trying to do?
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03:23 <apparitio> is there another apparition in here? I'm using a mobile irc client and I'm trying to figure this out
03:23 <BabyBug> Stop it from checking if you've double binded when the chatbot is enabled
03:23 <BabyBug> Because atm it does check and it pisses me off *growls*
03:24 <dlh> so, you wan't to be able to turn when the chatbot is enabled?
03:25 <apparitio> anyone?
03:25 <epsy> apparitio, /whois apparition
03:25 <epsy> (there seems to be none)
03:25 <BabyBug> Well erm...That's not what i meant...But how does that work O.o
03:25 <BabyBug> so it'd type and turn at the same time?
03:26 <apparitio> what does that mean?
03:26 <dlh> right, if you have turn keys that aren't letter keys
03:26 <epsy> F-keys should work :P
03:26 <BabyBug> hrmph
03:27 <apparitio> /whois apparition
03:27 <epsy> ew
03:27 <epsy> what client is this?
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03:28 <apparitio> IRChon
03:28 <epsy> don't know about iPhone IRC clients, sorry
03:29 <apparitio> what cmd did you use?
03:29 <epsy> for ?
03:29 <apparitio> to figure out it is an iPhone client?
03:29 <epsy> google
03:29 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-eevent] r708 Merging from mainline....
03:30 <epsy> for one time the dots are representative of my opinion
03:30 <BabyBug> dlh, well the problem i was having is... You know DOUBLEBIND_TIME to stop you double binding? Well i can be typing a message on a server, send it, then press a button to turn straight after, but i won't turn because it thinks i double binded.
03:30 <apparitio> I don't understand this client
03:30 <epsy> then that's a bug which should be filled
03:30 <BabyBug> i know! i just wanted to try! zeesh
03:31 <BabyBug> ='(
03:31 <epsy> apparitio, I used mIRGGI, but I doubt it works on iPhones
03:31 <BabyBug> i fail
03:31 <apparitio> what did you use it on?
03:32 <epsy> s60
03:32 <epsy> you can ctcp version epsy|phone :)
03:32 <apparitio> ctcp?
03:32 <epsy>  /ctcp epsy|phone version
03:33 <apparitio> what is ctcp?
03:34 <apparitio> okay well I'll bbl, this is a retarded client
03:34 <epsy> an IRC "sub-"standart/protocol
03:34 <epsy> I've noticed it
03:35 <apparitio> substandard or standart?
03:35 <epsy> ekiga is an SIP client too?
03:35 <epsy> same thing, it's just that it is only used over IRC
03:36 <apparitio> who started arma?
03:36 <epsy> armagetron "original" ?
03:36 <epsy> z-man did
03:37 <apparitio> yep
03:37 <apparitio> how do I contact z-man
03:37 <epsy> what for ?
03:37 <BabyBug> it's filed you french bewb!
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03:38 <epsy> grmpf
03:38 <apparitio> well i want to talk to him about an idea and i need to kind of understand his philosophy behind arma... soforums?
03:38 <epsy> if you want to talk about ideas, use blueprints or forums
03:39 <apparitio> this is an idea outside of the development
03:39 <epsy> like?
03:39 <apparitio> like the future of arms
03:39 <epsy> the register thing?
03:40 <apparitio> arma* register?
03:40 <apparitio> oh from play fortress, no
03:40 <apparitio> in general, where is arma heading
03:41 <apparitio> what is the consensus on the games future? is it always going to be open source and in development or is there like a final product
03:42 <apparitio> and in general I'm thinking of what I can do to help
03:42 <epsy> probably going to keep being developed
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03:42 <apparitio> because I have a few particular sets of skills, but I'm no developer
03:42 <epsy> though not by us, perhaps
03:43 <Lucifer> don't ask to ask, just ask
03:43 <smoothice> luke-jr: oh ok...
03:44 <BabyBug> Lucifer, that's a silly saying
03:44 <apparitio> I'm not asking to ask, I want to know the quickest way of talking to zman
03:44 <Lucifer> why z-man in particular?
03:44 <Lucifer> it's not like he's the only triumvir around ;)
03:44 <epsy> he's not THE guy to talk to, except when half the code is wrongly written
03:44 <Lucifer> or arma developer for that matter
03:44 <Lucifer> there isn't any ONE person who represents armagetron advanced
03:45 <apparitio> okay well what's the future of arma?
03:45 <BabyBug> not even satan himself?
03:45 <Lucifer> BabyBug: no it's not, how many times have you seen people say "Can anybody help me with the problems on my server?".  That's asking to ask.
03:45 <epsy> hell, merge hell -- z-man
03:45 <Lucifer> apparitio: don't know, we'll know when we get there
03:45 <Lucifer> why?  maybe I could be more helpful if I knew why you're asking
03:46 <apparitio> okay I have my comp now, brb
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03:46 <BabyBug> Lucifer, well i see your point there. But sometimes it's nicer to ask "Can i ask you a personal question" rather than being so intrusive and just asking it straight off :P
03:46 <Lucifer> BabyBug: type slower
03:46 <BabyBug> ...
03:46 <Lucifer> then you won't have the doublebind_time problem when you're chatting
03:47 <BabyBug> Oh shush
03:47 <Lucifer> wel, yeah, when it's a personal question, sure
03:47 <Lucifer> but he's being all cagey with his questions, like he doesn't want us to know what he's thinking, or he's afraid we'll reject it
03:47 <BabyBug> But you most likely will reject it
03:47 <BabyBug> So he has a right to be afraid :P
03:47 <Lucifer> I tend to get paranoid when people single out z-man, though, because I've never seen that done with good intentions
03:47 <Lucifer> that's just because I reject everything
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03:47 <BabyBug> exactly..
03:48 <apparition> okay
03:48 <apparition> sorry, that was really annoying for a second
03:49 <apparition> so basically i want to get involved, but i want to get to know the philosophy behind arma a little better
03:49 <Lucifer> yay, I got bzr on my thumb drive
03:49 <BabyBug> And Lucifer typing slower would make no difference... If i press K, Enter, J... Then it'll kick in...What i type before hand doesn't matter =P
03:49 <epsy> like, the idea of the game?
03:49 <Lucifer> what do you mean by "philosophy"?  At least, insofar as we're any different from any other open source project?
03:50 <BabyBug> And on servers with a really really high doublebind_time..i'd die anyway waiting
03:50 <Lucifer> BabyBug: maybe you should talk less and play more :)
03:50 <apparition> there is the aim of the developers
03:50 <apparition> (to make the game better and better)
03:50 <BabyBug> I like gloating when i'm beating everyone =(
03:50 <BabyBug> And stop avoiding the fact that it's a bug!
03:50 <Lucifer> I actually kinda like doublebind_time checked in gui widgets, think of how we'll never need to invent double-clicking
03:50 <smoothice> luke-jr: Why not until the weekend? I'm really excited about the port but am stuck
03:50 <Lucifer> hey, I'm just talking trash, don't mind me ;)
03:51 <Lucifer> apparition: you'd have to poll each individual developer to get that answer
03:51 <BabyBug> Do you ever talk anything other than trash? =P
03:51 <Lucifer> you need to ask very specific questions, you're asking extremely open-ended questions
03:51 <BabyBug> The future is bikes jumping over other floors.. =)
03:51 <BabyBug> s/over/off/
03:52 <epsy> grrrr this SIP client is getting me mad
03:52 <Lucifer> the future is webcam girls as cycle wall textures
03:52 <BabyBug> I vote for that!
03:53 <Lucifer> someone made a xxx moviepack one time
03:53 <BabyBug> and then if you win, it plays one of them crappy 15 second movie samples
03:53 <Lucifer> hah
03:54 <Lucifer> where right before nipples appear, the 15 seconds are up ;)
03:54 <BabyBug> nuuu that's too early :(
03:54 <Lucifer> whenever you core dump someone, you hear "oooo, core dump it baby"
03:55 <Lucifer> I once saw a hologram that had a girl lowering her jacket and flashing you
03:55 <Lucifer> she also turned around at the same time
03:55 <Lucifer> sadly, she flashed when her back was to you
03:55 <Lucifer> it was animated as you walked by
03:55 <BabyBug> lol...
03:56 <Lucifer> well, I'm a go hang out downstairs, there's supposed to be a guy over to buy some old towers of mine
03:56 <BabyBug> moniez!
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04:03 <@armabot> lpbugs: [331362] DOUBLEBIND_TIME checked when chatting... <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331362>
04:07 <epsy> grm
04:07 <epsy> SIP just gets stuck at my NAT
04:08 <TaZ_> #seen genki
04:08 <@armabot> TaZ_: genki was last seen in #armagetron 3 days, 23 hours, 26 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <Genki> T.T
04:08 <smoothice> ?
04:08 <TaZ_> hey smoothy
04:08 <smoothice> hi Tazy
04:08 <smoothice> ~VcL. Tax
04:08 <smoothice> Taz
04:08 <smoothice> lol
04:08 <TaZ_> xD
04:08 <TaZ_> did you apply to VcL under alias?
04:09 <smoothice> Nope
04:09 <smoothice> I'm in NW
04:09 <epsy> blah, stupid crap
04:09 <smoothice> loll
04:09 <smoothice> epsy is in X
04:10 <epsy> wait am i?
04:10 <TaZ_> ah ok, your ip's just matched someone who just tried to apply :D
04:10 <smoothice> ummm
04:10 <smoothice> That's really weird because I promise with my hand on my heart that I didn't not apply.
04:10 <smoothice> Can you tell me the IP please?
04:10 <TaZ_> i believe you :)
04:10 <TaZ_> yes, hold on
04:10 <epsy> smoothice, dynamic IP?
04:10 <TaZ_> they were very close
04:10 <smoothice> yes
04:10 <smoothice> I do have a dynamic IP
04:11 <epsy> well then same IP doesn't mean much
04:11 <TaZ_> durr epsy
04:11 <smoothice> umm
04:11 <epsy> except in a given moment
04:18 <smoothice> epsy : IP ranges do
04:19 <smoothice> I haven't seen anyone with the same IP range as me
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04:29 <Lucifer> man
04:29 <Lucifer> my bank account's negative again :(
04:29 <Lucifer> and I don't get paid for another week and a half
04:30 <BabyBug> hrmph =(
04:30 <TaZ_> ><
04:30 <TaZ_> how much in the negative?
04:35 <Lucifer> about $50 negative
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04:36 <TaZ_> if I had money, I would honestly donate to you. :]
04:38 <ct|kyle> too bad Lucifer can't have a donation drive mapped onto armagetronad.net
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04:39 <TaZ_> did you ever look at working at chacha.com, for extra money, lucifer
04:40 <Lucifer> no, I didn't
04:40 <Lucifer> I don't need "extra money",  I need to make at least $600 more each month than I'm currently making
04:42 <TaZ_> hmm
04:42 <TaZ_> I'm guessing you may have had money troubles in the past?
04:43 <Lucifer> heh, I'm 34, of course I"ve had money troubles in the past
04:43 <TaZ_> for some reason, i thought you were older haha
04:43 <TaZ_> you're going to have to learn how to manage money though
04:44 <Lucifer> go fuck yourself, dude
04:44 <Lucifer> you have *no* idea what you're talking about right now
04:44 <TaZ_> lucifer, you're 50 in the negative, and need $600 more a month
04:44 <Lucifer> yeah, so?
04:45 <TaZ_> it wouldn't surprise me if you were in a lot of debt
04:45 <Lucifer> I also just got divorced right when the worst recession in 60 fucking years hit, and I was working part time when it started
04:45 <TaZ_> you paying child support?
04:45 <Lucifer> it's not a question of whether or not I can *manage* money, it's a question of whether or not I have enough
04:45 <Lucifer> yes, in fact, the reason I'm in the hole right now is because the state is garnishing my wages now
04:46 <Lucifer> so my last paycheck was $47
04:46 <Lucifer> you try living on $100/month
04:46 <TaZ_> Why are you making $100 a month?
04:46 <Lucifer> are you stupid?
04:46 <Lucifer> you're wasting my time
04:46 <TaZ_> Even with child support...
04:46 <TaZ_> well nvm
04:47 <TaZ_> At first, I thought about donating money to you, but forget it
04:47 <TaZ_> You're kinda rude
04:47 <Lucifer> I'm kinda rude?  Some kid tells me I need to learn how to manage money and I'm rude?
04:47 <TaZ_> And with that attitude, you'll always stay in debt
04:47 <Lucifer> you need to learn how to communicate
04:47 <TaZ_> kid?
04:47 <TaZ_> I'm 20 buddy
04:48 <Lucifer> you can't even buy beer and you want to pass yourself off as grownup?
04:48 <TaZ_> heh
04:49 <TaZ_> I really wanted to help you to
04:49 <Lucifer> well, offer help without the condescension
04:49 <Lucifer> I'm not pushing my self-esteem aside so you can lecture me about responsibility
04:49 <TaZ_> hmm
04:49 <apparition> this sounds like something that could be talked about in a private tab
04:49 <TaZ_> I agree
04:50 <smoothice> yeah this is #armagetron
04:50 <smoothice> not #personal
04:50 <apparition> or #lucifer'smoney
04:50 <Lucifer> nobody else was talking, heh
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04:50 <ct|kyle> #luke-jrisanasshat
04:50 <TaZ_> LOL!
04:50 <apparition> hahahah
04:51 <TaZ_> But really, there is so many ways you can get yourself out of debt
04:51 <TaZ_> As long as you keep a positive mind
04:51 <Lucifer> the most popular way is to look for more work, which is what I've been doing for the last 6 months
04:51 <TaZ_> I told you about chacha a while ago
04:52 <TaZ_> It's tax free money
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04:52 <TaZ_> Sure, it's like 20 cents for answering a question, but it adds up
04:52 <TaZ_> And plus, you could do at-home telemarketing
04:53 <Lucifer> it's only tax free if you commit tax fraud
04:53 <TaZ_> Well, I'm sorry, it's not tax free
04:53 <smoothice> Is armathenication spelled correctly? <<
04:53 <Lucifer> smoothice: no, you're missing a t
04:53 <smoothice> armathentication or armathenication
04:54 <BabyBug> amathentication
04:54 <smoothice> so armathentication
04:54 <BabyBug> armathentication
04:54 <TaZ_> you do have to fill out a W4
04:54 <BabyBug> smoothice, It's just authentication, but with "arma" instead of "au" at the front...
04:54 <smoothice> oh ok
04:54 <smoothice> so
04:54 <smoothice> --enable-armathentication
04:55 <Lucifer> for $0.20 per question, my time is better spent looking for a *job*
04:55 <BabyBug> yesh
04:55 <smoothice> ok
04:55 <epsy|phone> You can use authentication anyway
04:56 <luke-jr> smoothice: I have to work during the week.
04:56 <smoothice> oh ok
04:56 <BabyBug> luke lies!! He's a lazy bum!
04:56 <luke-jr> #kick BabyBug
04:56 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
04:56 <ct|kyle> lol
04:57 <luke-jr> f u armabot
04:57 <BabyBug> #kick luke-jr fail
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04:57 <smoothice> that was a dumbass move BabyBug
04:57 <BabyBug> blooming kick me :@
04:57 <epsy|phone> #whoami
04:57 <@armabot> epsy|phone: epsy
04:57 <smoothice> #whoami
04:57 <@armabot> smoothice: I don't recognize you.
04:57 <BabyBug> lol smoothice...I'm sure luke-jr's the kind of person who can take what he gives :P
04:57 <smoothice> thanks armabot, you suck
04:58 <BabyBug> that's twice he's done that now anyway
04:58 <smoothice> ok
04:58 <BabyBug> Last time he spent 5 minutes identifying himself
04:58 <BabyBug> and then kicked me
04:58 <smoothice> #alias add youfail echo You're right $who, I do fail.
04:58 <@armabot> smoothice: The operation succeeded.
04:58 <BabyBug> ^^
04:58 <smoothice> armabot: you fail
04:58 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by ChanServ
04:58 <smoothice> armabot: youfail
04:58 <armabot> You're right smoothice, I do fail.
04:58 <smoothice> yep
04:58 <smoothice> you do
04:59 <epsy|phone> Somehow my client doesn't see part messages generated by /remove
04:59 <smoothice> you're on your phone
04:59 <smoothice> that's why/
04:59 <smoothice> ?
04:59 <smoothice> Nokia N95
04:59 <smoothice> armabot: youfail
04:59 <armabot> You're right smoothice, I do fail.
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05:00 <smoothice> please guys
05:00 <ct|kyle> &part
05:00 <armastybot> ct|kyle: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
05:00 <smoothice> Give my bot peace
05:00 <smoothice> ...
05:00 <smoothice> You broke peace week
05:00 <TaZ_> xD
05:01 <BabyBug> There's no logic for another bot =.=
05:01 <epsy|phone> My version reply is accurate enough to not need to reply to you
05:01 <smoothice> BabyBug: well damnit... I wish you knew what I was thinking right now
05:01 <smoothice> most of you don't know
05:01 <epsy|phone> And no, we have enough bots
05:01 <smoothice> I find armagetron programming an opportunity
05:02 <BabyBug> wth does the bot come into this?
05:02 <smoothice> well
05:02 <smoothice> the bot is an opportunity too
05:02 <smoothice> for me
05:02 <epsy|phone> Them program for armagetron, instead of hassling us with bots
05:02 <smoothice> fine
05:02 <smoothice> &part
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05:03 <smoothice> I think it's hilarious that if I brought armastybot in here as another nick
05:03 <epsy|phone> If you need anything from bots, ask wrtl, luci or me
05:04 <smoothice> Nobody would think anything of iy
05:04 <Lucifer> ?
05:04 <Lucifer> we all recognize the supybot hostmask
05:04 <smoothice> yeah
05:04 <smoothice> but what if you didn’t check?
05:04 <epsy|phone> It would end up being kicked anyway, sooner or later
05:05 <Lucifer> the hostmask appears whenever someone joins the channel
05:05 <Lucifer> so I don't need to "check", I just need to read the join message
05:05 <smoothice> oh
05:05 <smoothice> my client doesn't
05:05 <smoothice> w/e
05:05 <Lucifer> and yeah, bots that aren't configured very carefully get kicked sooner or later for spamming the channel
05:05 <smoothice> how do they spam/
05:06 <smoothice> as long as people don't use its prefix all day long
05:06 <epsy|phone> What client?
05:06 <Lucifer> epsy|phone: I'm using konversation ;)
05:06 <smoothice> Colloquy
05:06 <smoothice> the same that d-l h uses
05:07 <Lucifer> you're a mac geek?
05:07 <epsy|phone> Let me put it on the crap clients list
05:08 <smoothice> Lucifer: yes?
05:08 <epsy|phone> I mean, even this client which can't send ctcp requests shows them
05:08 <smoothice> I like macs
05:08 <smoothice> I think they're cool
05:08 <smoothice> That's why I use one
05:09 <epsy|phone> He thinks.
05:09 <smoothice> ...
05:09 <Lucifer> my balls are cool, would you like to use them?
05:10 <epsy|phone> Believes, if you prefer
05:10 <epsy|phone> Besides the look, it is hardly any cool
05:11 <smoothice> Other than it is pure unix at core?
05:11 <smoothice> 10.5 is posix certified?
05:12 <epsy|phone> wtf does pure unix mean in the first place?
05:12 <smoothice> It isn't fake unix
05:13 <epsy|phone> Do you even know what posix is?
05:13 <smoothice> Yes
05:13 <epsy|phone> Wtf is fake unix now
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05:13 <smoothice> Unix that doesn't comply to standards
05:13 <smoothice> I have to go anyway
05:13 <smoothice> bye
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05:14 <epsy|phone> He was probably just reading the features said I guess...
05:14 <Lucifer> one thing we learned in linux land, the opengroup's standards fall short of user's actual needs and are largely incomplete anyway
05:15 <epsy|phone> Page not said
05:16 <epsy|phone> Bah, I hardly recall any complete standards set
05:18 <BabyBug> epsy|phone, why are you still awake?
05:18 <epsy|phone> You first
05:19 <BabyBug> ...
05:19 <ct|kyle> epsy|phone: BabyBug is tipically awake at this time evey day
05:19 <epsy|phone> :)
05:19 <BabyBug> it's later for you, so you first =P
05:20 <epsy|phone> I'm first whatever happens, then
05:23 <epsy|phone> Ok ok fine
05:23 <epsy|phone> I don't know, I just kept up
05:23 <epsy|phone> Happy?
05:23 <ct|kyle> no
05:23 <epsy|phone> Shut up
05:24 <epsy|phone> Or say yes
05:24 <epsy|phone> :)
05:24 <ct|kyle> no wais
05:26 <epsy|phone> Well, night
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05:26 <BabyBug> This is getting silly now...I'm so good at no rubber, i'm actually being accused that i got my "irc buddies" to modify my game client, and that i'm cheating
05:26 <ct|kyle> heh
05:27 <ct|kyle> it would have to be server side (i know how :) )
05:28 <ct|kyle> no rubber really is not that hard, anyway
05:31 <BabyBug> Uhh, come play against me =)
05:31 <ct|kyle> server
05:31 <BabyBug> #n9
05:31 <armabot> BabyBug: Nexus9 Deathmatch (NO RUBBER!): Players (7/16): Dino, Hippo, Palmer, sine.wav, Sugarpuff, tRon Paul, ¥¥®¥¥
05:32 <BabyBug> turns out i was just being wound up about cheating :@
05:32 <BabyBug> arg
05:32 <ct|kyle> after i beat Russian solitaire
05:32 <ct|kyle> they were trying to brake your concentration heh
05:33 <BabyBug> and they did
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08:13 <Lucifer> oh no, I don't have ksudoku installed!
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09:39 <BabyBug> Lucifer, how could you not have that installed...what were you thinking =(
09:40 <Lucifer> it's part of the operating system, it should have been isntalled with the operating system!
09:41 <BabyBug> now you're just making excuses...despicable...
09:48 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty] r890 Merge from mainline....
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10:06 <BabyBug> anyone experienced a problem with arma+compiz when not in fullscreen?
10:12 <MaZuffeR> yep
10:13 <BabyBug> you just get like a black border thingy filling the rest of the screen?
10:13 <MaZuffeR> yes
10:13 <BabyBug> hrmph
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10:29 <x4b> #later
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11:56 <apparition> and finally, good night my friends
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12:13 <x4b> i hate most the bastids that play this game
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13:15 <PinkTomato> #sl
13:21 <noob13> hi PinkTomato
13:22 <PinkTomato> hi noob13
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13:37 <epsy> guru3, can the FAQ link of phpbb be changed to lead to our FAQ ?
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14:03 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1055 Keyup events no longer run through doublebind protection....
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14:12 <epsy> @date
14:12 <teabot> epsy: 05:12 AM, February 19, 2009
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14:18 <epsy> z-manuel, I didn't quite get the idea of arrays with pb
14:18 <epsy> is it about sending length in a first message, then sending a message for each entry?
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14:34 <epsy> It always does that.
14:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Blaze/Fortress/Ganked-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Blaze
14:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Blaze/Fortress/SeaHorse-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Blaze
14:49 <epsy> hah, fiber wasn't even plugged in
15:07 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9021 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/ui/uInput.cpp): Manuel Moos: Keyup events no longer run through doublebind protection.
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15:31 <epsy> so, the idea would be to use protobuf's runtime parser?
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16:15 <epsy> blah
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17:42 <epsy> z-man, [15:18] <epsy>: z-manuel, I didn't quite get the idea of arrays with pb
17:42 <epsy> [15:18] <epsy>: is it about sending length in a first message, then sending a message for each entry?
17:42 <epsy> [16:31] <epsy>: or, the idea would be to use protobuf's runtime parser?
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17:48 <z-man> hmm? you just use repeated elements.
17:49 <z-man> #m luke-jr because I get more of everything for the same price elsewhere?
17:49 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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18:28 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
18:29 <armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 18.5°F (12:28 PM EST on February 19, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 5.0°F. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising).
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18:29 <ct|kyle> oi sinewav, warm enough for you ?
18:30 <sinewav> gah!
18:30 <sinewav> I tried to cry, but my tears froze
18:30 <ct|kyle> heh
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18:37 <sinewav> I've run out of arma-related projects to work on. anyone with a suggestion?
18:37 <Lizmatic> You worked on arma projects?
18:38 <sinewav> personal ones, not development ones
18:39 <ct|kyle> sinewav: CTWF map :)
18:39 <sinewav> Oh yeah! great idea,
18:40 <sinewav> forgot about tha
18:40 <sinewav> `taht
18:40 <sinewav> that*
18:40 <ct|kyle> that reminds me i still have to add a few to the newest CTWF
18:41 <epsy> z-man, what if we don't know the array's length?
18:42 <z-man> what do you mean by 'we don't know'?
18:42 <epsy> like, when I write the code?
18:42 <ct|kyle> epsy: then find it :P
18:42 <z-man> if we have access to the data, we can get its length :)
18:42 <epsy> when it is compiled
18:42 <z-man> Ah :)
18:42 <z-man> use
18:42 <z-man>   repeated int32 variable_name = 5;
18:42 <z-man> :)
18:43 <epsy> repeated? ah :)
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18:44 <epsy> are they unordered then or ..?
18:48 <epsy> ah, right
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19:00 <luke-jr> #m z-man like where?
19:00 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
19:01 <z-man> luke-jr: you don't have to #m me if I chatted like five minutes ago :)
19:01 <luke-jr> ☺
19:02 <z-man> server4you.de
19:02 <luke-jr> z-man: are you considering the Armagetron Developer Discount? :p
19:02 <z-man> probably not the most stable provider, but it suffices.
19:03 <luke-jr> err, am I reading their page right?
19:03 <luke-jr> free VPS?
19:03 <z-man> for a four day test.
19:03 <z-man> which developer discount? :)
19:04 <luke-jr> the one I make up on the spot when asked
19:04 <z-man> ah :)
19:05 <z-man> Anyway, I pay slightly < 9 Euros/month
19:05 <z-man> and get 1.5 TB bandwidth use
19:05 <z-man> 15 Gigs hard disk
19:05 <z-man> and more memory than I care about.
19:05 <luke-jr> ☺
19:05 <PinkTomato> they have an english site ;)?#
19:06 <luke-jr> and a Europe datacenter, which I can't offer for VPS at the moment
19:06 <z-man> CPU speed isn't so great, about on the level of my laptop.
19:06 <z-man> that, too.
19:06 <z-man> though I don't care too much about the location.
19:06 <z-man> I was actively looking for something in iceland or greenland, but there's nothing
19:06 <luke-jr> heh
19:06 <z-man> at least nothing remotely affordable :)
19:07 <luke-jr> well, PM me the specs you actually need and I can probably get you a better deal ;)
19:07 <luke-jr> in the US
19:07 <z-man> 1and1.fr offers unlimited bandwith for 10Euro/month already
19:07 <z-man> but only for French people.
19:08 <z-man> And they have a very low limit on the number of threads you can run
19:08 <z-man> like 'usage of base system * 2'
19:08 <luke-jr> 1and1 is a scam company tho
19:08 <luke-jr> unless .fr != .com
19:08 <PinkTomato> are they
19:08 <PinkTomato> ?
19:08 <z-man> Dunno about .com
19:08 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: yeah
19:09 <z-man> but I'm indirecty getting my interent through them, and it's very reliable.
19:09 <luke-jr> if they think you have a good business plan, your site/resources/domains just "disappear" overnight and come out as their own shortly later
19:09 <luke-jr> O.o
19:09 <PinkTomato> That's a big claim
19:09 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: Google "<anything> scam" ☺
19:09 <luke-jr> before spending $
19:10 <sinewav> how about <luke-jr> scam?
19:10 <sinewav> `haha jk
19:10 <sinewav> I love you man
19:10 <z-man> Hmm, "Results 1 - 10 of about 240,000 for lukejr scam"
19:10 <z-man> :)
19:11 <luke-jr> z-man: Google screws up my name ☹
19:11 <luke-jr> quoted "luke-jr" helps a little, but not mcuh
19:21 <armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r845 We don't actually support zip compression yet, so don't requ... || [bugfarm-scripts] r17 Added single player mode....
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19:45 <epsy> 	protoc $< --cpp_out=protobuf --proto_path=${srcdir}/protobuf 2>&1 | sed -e "s,^\(.*\).proto,${srcdir}/protobuf/\1.proto,"
19:45 <epsy> z-man, what's the sed part for?
19:47 <epsy> (from src/Makefile.am:123)
19:48 <epsy> simply for showing ./protobuf/ ?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> probably
19:48 <wrtlprnft> so you don't get confused when reading debug output
19:48 <wrtlprnft> or get more confused, whatever your preference
19:49 <epsy> problem is that it causes make to not see the error :)
19:49 <wrtlprnft> haha
19:50 <wrtlprnft> hmm, indeed
19:50 <wrtlprnft> apparently false | true returns 0
19:51 <wrtlprnft> it also hides the error if you do make >/dev/null (which i sometimes do if i want to see warnings)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> probably not such a good idea
19:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9022 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/protobuf/nNetwork.proto): Manuel Moos: We don't actually support zip compression yet, so don't request it.
19:51 <wrtlprnft> the sed part i mean
19:52 <epsy>  	protoc $< --cpp_out=protobuf 2>&1
19:52 <epsy> works fine
19:53 <wrtlprnft> leave the 2>&1 part, please
19:53 <epsy> oh yeah, that was for sed
19:53 <z-man> epsy, wrtlprnft: asically, yes :) it's so that error messages direct you to the right file
19:53 <wrtlprnft> with leave i mean remove, of course
19:54 <z-man> and you can ` to the errors in emacs.
19:55 <epsy> actually, what files need to be done by a human?
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19:55 <z-man> so yeah. If you have a solution for the error return value, do it.
19:55 <epsy> (for the protobuf stuff)
19:55 <z-man> epsy: the .proto file.
19:55 <epsy> and that's it?
19:55 <z-man> and the entry in Makefile.am.
19:56 <epsy> where did my file go :<
19:56 <z-man> and the project file entries for Windows/Mac :)
19:56 <epsy> are xcode project files editable by the way?
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19:57 <z-man> dunno. They should be, but I don't know whether it's a good idea to do so.
20:10 <epsy> that "pb" suffix almost makes me think of punkbuster >.>
20:16 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what good is it if emacs can go to the error if the error isn't detected at all?
20:19 <epsy> it does both now :)
20:20 <epsy> protoc protobuf/eEvent.proto --cpp_out=protobuf
20:20 <epsy> protobuf/eEvent.proto:6:5: Expected "required", "optional", or "repeated".
20:20 <epsy> protobuf/eEvent.proto:6:20: Missing field number.
20:20 <epsy> make[3]: *** [protobuf/eEvent.pb] Erreur 1
20:20 <wrtlprnft> argh, localized console apps should be banned by law.
20:20 <epsy> s/eu/o
20:21 <epsy> /
20:21 <epsy> (newline time)
20:21 <wrtlprnft> i was able to figure out that much by myself
20:21 <epsy> :)
20:21 <wrtlprnft> this is about principle
20:22 <epsy> we should ban emacs, too
20:22 <wrtlprnft> well, i don't care about emacs as long as i don't have to get anywhere near it
20:22 <wrtlprnft> or at least as long as someone shows me how to run vim within it :-)
20:23 <epsy> good ol' ctrl+alt+xvim
20:24 <wrtlprnft> does someone know an easy way to keep sshd/apache alive even if the network connection goes down?
20:24 <wrtlprnft> because they listen on and don't care if they're online
20:24 <epsy> a proxy?
20:25 <wrtlprnft> no, i mean the servers
20:25 <wrtlprnft> gentoo's init scripts stop them if the network goes down and fails to get back up soon enough
20:25 <wrtlprnft> which leads to them always being down when you need them
20:25 <epsy> then don't use gentoo :>
20:26 <wrtlprnft> it's not enough of a reason :-/
20:27 <wrtlprnft> also, every non-gentoo distro i tried didn't last very long
20:27 <wrtlprnft> the last being fedora, which I wrecked trying to get kde 4.2
20:27 <epsy> tried archlinux?
20:27 <wrtlprnft> not yet
20:27 <epsy> the only problem is intel drivers
20:27 <epsy> but well, you knoww that's always a problem
20:27 <wrtlprnft> well, i have intel everything :X
20:28 <epsy> I mean intel gfx drivers
20:28 <wrtlprnft> that too :-)
20:28 <epsy> current seem stable, though
20:28 <wrtlprnft> the latest fun thing is that after a couple of suspend/wakeups the display refuses to turn off
20:29 <wrtlprnft> even if i close it and/or use vbetool to (try to) kill the backlight
20:29 <epsy> you mean, the power save thingy?
20:29 <wrtlprnft> and the volume up key on the keyboard stops to work
20:29 <wrtlprnft> all solved by rebooting
20:29  * epsy 's screen's power button is broken
20:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:29 <wrtlprnft> so that's why you're online so much
20:30 <epsy> :)
20:30 <sinewav> unplug?
20:31 <epsy> the fibre guys came today
20:31 <epsy> it turned out the fibre was cut in 4 places >.<
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21:38 <guru3> anyone know where in the world aparition is from?
21:38 <guru3> never mind
21:38 <guru3> read his flag ><
21:38 <epsy> :D
21:42 <guru3> i just don't know what to say in his post that doesn't prove his point
21:42 <guru3> because in all honestly, i'm incredibly lazy and tight-lipped
21:43 <epsy> why would he be wrong?
21:43 <guru3> he wouldn't be
21:43 <guru3> but i don't mean to be doing things like saying "this guy" in a bad way
21:43 <guru3> i had a sort of amazement reaction
21:43 <guru3> "i never knew people thought about stuff like this"
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21:45 <luke-jr> guru3: ?
21:45 <guru3> he seems so serious
21:45 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: that's easily solved?
21:45 <luke-jr> guru3: ⁇?
21:46 <guru3> luke-jr: ?
21:46 <luke-jr> guru3: link?
21:46 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: /etc/conf.d/rc
21:46 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: RC_NET_STRICT_CHECKING='lo' (net.lo satisfies "net" dependencies)
21:47 <guru3> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=19054
21:47 <guru3> that topic
21:47 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you can also disable ifplugd and leave net.eth0 up
21:47 <epsy> guru3, ah, that
21:48 <guru3> for the life of me
21:49 <guru3> what sort of information could we really put on a website
21:53 <epsy> like, what's up
21:53 <guru3> say 'protobuf in trunk' type news?
21:53 <epsy> upcoming 19th ladle .. check out sine's video or whatever, really
21:53 <guru3> or that
21:54 <epsy> and a regular developer digest too, why not
21:54 <guru3> there is no why not
21:54 <guru3> just never occured to me
21:55 <epsy> just have a blogging system, some moderators, and let people submit articles
21:56 <guru3> wordpress mu perhaps
21:56 <epsy> I could design all that (concept and appearance) but until we got extensibility ready I won't really concentrate on it
21:57 <epsy> I thought about MU, but well, I think that would clutter things up
21:57 <epsy> but wordpress is a sure value
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21:58 <guru3> maybe just one blog eh
21:58 <guru3> i'll look into it
21:58 <guru3> the problem is i never remember to update blogs
21:59 <guru3> blog in addition to the mainsite or replacing it you recon.
21:59 <epsy> and for gods sake have the other pages as wordpress pages, so it doesn't take years for people to update
21:59 <epsy> problem is that in my mind, I'm already thinking about a whole new website so ..
22:00 <guru3> don't just want to bung the content into a new package eh
22:02 <guru3> has been 3 years on the current site
22:02 <epsy> heh
22:03 <guru3> i'll have to think about it some
22:04 <epsy> well, if you want to have a brief sum up of what's hiding in my mind, we'd basically have the site split in some parts, like we have currently
22:04 <epsy> Play, Chat, Fight, Watch
22:05 <epsy> and a fifth for which I couldn't find a name for
22:05 <epsy> Play would be simply about/download/server browser
22:05 <epsy> Chat would be forums
22:06 <epsy> fight a match organizing platform,
22:06 <epsy> watch a repository of game recordings, or live streams, whenever we have that
22:06 <epsy> and the fifth would be the blog
22:08 <MaZuffeR> battle for wesnoth's website if pretty good, http://www.wesnoth.org
22:09 <MaZuffeR> is*
22:10 <epsy> no steaaling involved, hehe
22:13 <luke-jr> what do you think of my post? :p
22:18 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: thanks :-)
22:18 <wrtlprnft> that's what I was looking for
22:19 <luke-jr> lol
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22:50 <Lucifer> neat, I got bzr installed on my thumb drive, and it works fine :)
22:50 <Lucifer> (had to remove the bzr-svn plugin, though, but I don't need that)
22:52 <epsy> bzr-svn always goes buggy :<
22:52 <Lucifer> well, in this case, they factored something out into a separate project, didn't provide a windows release for what they factored out, and made a new win-bzr release with the broken part left in
22:53 <Lucifer> (my thumb drive has windows software on it so I can run it anywhere there's windows)
22:53 <epsy> ah
22:53 <epsy> you can always pray for the computers to allow booting from usb storage
22:53 <Lucifer> I put xampp on it, and notepad++, and now bzr, so I can work on my accounting web app at work :)
22:54 <Lucifer> a lot of the computers I have to use don't allow that, and DSL is just too small :/
22:54 <Lucifer> although I could run DSL in qemu and be happy otherwise
22:54 <wrtlprnft> just put vmware+image on the first partition of your stick and a bootable image on the second
22:54 <wrtlprnft> then you can both boot from it and run vmware to get your os running
22:54 <Lucifer> I fooled around with putting virtualbox on it
22:55 <epsy> I guess that other 1999 comp can't boot from USB
22:55 <Lucifer> the advantage to using virtualbox is that I could put the mac version on there too and use any computer I encounter
22:55 <epsy> that would be neat :(
22:55 <epsy> or I could still use a floppy to boot from usb
22:55 <Lucifer> and virtualbox is oss, of course (vmware isn't)
22:55 <epsy> that would be an easy way of not using the broken hard disk
22:55 <epsy> need to try that
22:56 <Lucifer> I can handle windows for short periods of time, it's no big deal, and portableapps.com provides all the software I ever need in windows, for the most part
22:56 <Lucifer> hell, I've got python on there ;)
22:56 <epsy> one problem is that it only supports USB 1
22:56 <Lucifer> now I Just need to get mingw and qt on it
22:56 <Lucifer> anyway, I've gotta go, have a longer bike ride today because I have to find a way to my bank
22:57 <Lucifer> bank is at the intersection of two freeways, and you generally want to avoid freeways on a bicycle :/
23:00 <fonkay> Just close your eyes and go... That's what I do.
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