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Log from 2009-02-18:
--- Day changed Wed Feb 18 2009
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00:05 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9019 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nProtoBuf.cpp): Manuel Moos: Whoops, forgot debug output in there.
00:06 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9020 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Peers can now request to not receive any compressed packets.
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00:12 <fonkay> off.
00:12 <s0beit> bb
00:17 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r844 Peers can now request to not receive any compressed packets.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r843 Whoops, forgot debug output in there....
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00:25 <s0beit> oi smoothice :)
00:25 <smoothice> hi
00:25 <s0beit> is there anyway to set a server up to where admin can only do certain commands.
00:26 <s0beit> basically, i want them to only be able to kick, and include settings
00:26 <smoothice> set ACCESS_LEVELs
00:26 <smoothice> or
00:26 <smoothice> when you use armathenication
00:26 <s0beit> so ACCESS_LEVEL INCLUDE 1?
00:26 <smoothice> give people "Moderator" access
00:27 <s0beit> they will be able to include files then?
00:27 <smoothice> mods can only kick, kill, silence, voice
00:27 <smoothice> no
00:27 <smoothice> mods cannot incliude or change cycle settings
00:27 <s0beit> do i need to set CASACL?
00:27 <smoothice> ?
00:27 <smoothice> #cfg2 casacl
00:27 <smoothice> arg
00:27 <@armabot> smoothice: CASACL: For the duratioon of the rest of the configuration file thiss directive appears in, elevate the access level.
00:28 <smoothice> ummm
00:28 <smoothice> maybe
00:28 <s0beit> what else would i do?
00:28 <s0beit> set access level you say?
00:28 <s0beit> how will that work?
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00:28 <s0beit> ACCESS_LEVEL INCLUDE 2?
00:28 <PinkTomato> read authentication.cfg
00:28 <s0beit> I have :(
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00:29 <smoothice> &cfg2 access_level
00:29 <armastybot> smoothice: ACCESS_LEVEL: Changes the access level of a configuration item to make it available to lower ranked users || ACCESS_LEVEL_ADMIN: Minimal access level for /admin command. || ACCESS_LEVEL_CHAT: Minimal access level for chatting. || ACCESS_LEVEL_CHAT_TIMEOUT: Time in seconds between public announcements that someone wants to chat, but can't. Set to 0 to disable the public (7 more messages)
00:29 <s0beit> ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_INCLUDE 2
00:29 <s0beit> will that work pink?
00:29 <smoothice> ????
00:29 <smoothice> &cfg2 ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_INCLUDE
00:29 <armastybot> smoothice: ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_INCLUDE: Minimal access level required to issue inclue votes. || ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_INCLUDE_EXECUTE: Minimal access level successful include votes will be executed at.
00:29 <smoothice> what's an include vote?
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00:30 <s0beit>  /vote include setting.cfg
00:30 <s0beit> that
00:31 <smoothice> oh
00:31 <smoothice> hmm
00:31 <PinkTomato> won't work
00:32 <PinkTomato> you need more clients to use 0.2.8.3
00:32 <smoothice> ?
00:32 <PinkTomato> which is not the general release
00:32 <smoothice> oh
00:32 <smoothice> include voting is in 0.2.8.3?
00:32 <PinkTomato> therefore only a few of the armagetron population will be able to vote.
00:32 <smoothice> well...
00:32 <smoothice> I don't tgink that's true
00:33 <smoothice> Armathenication is supported in 0.2.8.2.1
00:33 <smoothice> through serverside center message over network
00:33 <PinkTomato> Krawell
00:33 <smoothice> a
00:33 <PinkTomato> It was implemented in 0.2.8/7
00:33 <smoothice> o
00:33 <smoothice> well
00:33 <smoothice> armathenication wasn't
00:33 <PinkTomato> Include voting is not backwards compatible afaik
00:34 <smoothice> I think it is lol
00:34 <PinkTomato> armathentication was
00:34 <PinkTomato> The client has had it, it is only recent server support i think
00:36 <smoothice> hmmm
00:36 <smoothice> 0.2.8.2.1 client has it but 0.2.8.2.1 server doesn't?
00:36 <smoothice> seems fishy to me lol
00:36 <smoothice> &cfg access_level
00:36 <armastybot> smoothice: Error: "cfg" is not a valid command.
00:36 <PinkTomato> the armathentication server is a php script
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00:59 <nsh22> hey hey hey
00:59 <Concord> hi
00:59 <armastybot> nsh22, smoothice has summoned you to #armagetron-0.3-sty
01:01 <epsy> smoothice: /invite
01:02 <nsh22> i g2g way too much shit to do
01:02 <nsh22> pce
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01:03 <smoothice> epsy: I did it the _cool_ way :P
01:03 <epsy> no you didn't
01:03 <smoothice> yes I did
01:04 <PinkTomato> you did it in the way you would do it if there was no function to it
01:04 <smoothice> lol
01:04 <epsy> however, there is a function for it
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01:40 <animuson> quick question
01:40 <animuson> how do i include a config file?
01:40 <animuson> through a console command
01:40 <dlh> include <file>
01:41 <animuson> and just put the file in the server settings folder?
01:42 <dlh> Yea. put it in the "user data dir"/config, so you can upgrade arma later and not wipe out that file
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02:04 <animuson> it doesnt include the settings for some reason :-/
02:08 <luke-jr> animuson: dlh means 'var'
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02:10 <animuson> still didnt include the settings
02:11 <luke-jr> then you're doing something wron
02:11 <luke-jr> g
02:11 <dlh> did you put "include <file>" in your settings_custom.cfg or autoexec.cfg?
02:11 <luke-jr> give details
02:12 <animuson> its in a PHP echo
02:12 <animuson> echo "INCLUDE {$map['settings']}\n";
02:13 <luke-jr> and how do you think that is valid PHP?
02:13 <animuson> thats what gets echoed to the console
02:13 <animuson> through my php cycle
02:14 <luke-jr> ok, new syntax I see
02:14 <luke-jr> so what's the error?
02:14 <animuson> it doesnt give an error
02:14 <animuson> it echoes INCLUDE luigi.cfg
02:14 <animuson> but doesnt actually include anything
02:15 <luke-jr> then you're not doing stdio right
02:20 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-newspam] r1058 Correceted SPAM_SIMILARITY_PREFIX_MULTIPLIER help text... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-newspam] r1057 newline || [0.2.8-armagetronad-newspam] r1056 Moved chat spam class to new file. Implemented similarity sp... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-newspam] r1055 Factored last said to be a deque of pairs...
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02:25 <animuson> maybe it is including
02:26 <animuson> the spawn_zone settings dont take affect til the round actually starts tho
02:26 <animuson> sis it possible for it to wait til the round starts before running the settings?
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02:33 <s0beit> ok anyone that feels helpful:  I put in include settings so that admin can change the settings from ctf to sumo, etc.  But when that happeneds, all the settings dont change, like size_factor etc.
02:33 <s0beit> hey babybug =)
02:34 <BabyBug> Hello =)
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04:16  * BabyBug stares at luke-jr 
04:16 <luke-jr> sorry
04:17 <BabyBug> *tickles*
04:21 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-old-glancing] r756 Merge from trunk... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-newspam] r1059 Don't apply similarity check to team messages...
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05:17 <Lucifer> anybody know of a program that'll let me handle removable media that's also desktop-agnostic?
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05:58 <smoothice> luke-jr: I started zCTF
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06:19 <luke-jr> Lucifer: mount?
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06:43 <Lucifer> luke-jr: no, something gui like :)
06:43 <Lucifer> I found pcmanfm, it does the trick just fine
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16:55 <TaZ_> epsy
17:06 <epsy> you fucking love my nick do you?
17:08 <TaZ_> lolz
17:08 <TaZ_> Calm down
17:08 <Lizmatic> don't tease the idiot epsy, dont pick on the weak
17:08 <TaZ_> oh hai lizmatic
17:08 <TaZ_> how's the baby doing?
17:10 <epsy> indeed, don't pick on the weak
17:10 <epsy> I wonder if he actually wanted to tell me something
17:10 <Lizmatic> Nah, just craving attention
17:10 <TaZ_> i did, but you appeared so rude, i just decided not to tell you
17:10 <epsy> oooh, just like her(?) mother
17:11 <epsy> :D
17:11 <TaZ_> typical parisian
17:11  * Lizmatic scratches head
17:12 <BabyBug> #kick TaZ_ Well then you've got nothing to say. BYE!
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17:12 <epsy> fbxo arrived :>
17:12 <BabyBug> fbxo?
17:12 <epsy> but the line isn't operational :(
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17:13 <epsy> optic freebox(my ISP's fancy way of saying modem)
17:14 <TaZ_> xD
17:14 <epsy> subz ping time :P
17:14 <Lizmatic> BabyBug is my hero
17:15 <TaZ_> mine too :)
17:15 <epsy> lol my phone makes rendering of MIDIs
17:15 <TaZ_> <3
17:15 <Lizmatic> She's mine, you homo
17:15 <epsy> just tried on these old D2 soundtracks
17:15 <Lizmatic> (irony)
17:15 <TaZ_> lizmatic
17:15 <epsy> and it sucked
17:15 <TaZ_> 1v1 nub?/
17:15 <Lizmatic> um
17:15 <epsy> :-(
17:15 <Lizmatic> o_O now in normal speak
17:16 <TaZ_> Let me say it in your native tongue
17:16 <epsy> is it TaZ_ or me you're talking to Lizmatic ?
17:16 <TaZ_> can wez have ah 1v1 sumo matchee
17:16 <Lizmatic> TaZ_ of course
17:16 <epsy> or ivantis
17:16 <Lizmatic> uh okay, if you want to get beat then sure
17:16 <epsy> wait, he isn't even here
17:16 <TaZ_> what server Sasori?
17:17 <Lizmatic> Sasori, where?
17:17 <TaZ_> heh
17:17 <TaZ_> are you going to keep talking, or are we going to play sumo?
17:17 <epsy> she's asking you what server to play in.
17:18 <Lizmatic> um, honestly I don't care where I beat you
17:18 <Lizmatic> so you pick
17:18 <TaZ_> lolz
17:18 <Lizmatic> but not ww solo sumo, I got banned for being a gh3y
17:18 <TaZ_> let me check which servers are open
17:18 <epsy> IT'S A TRAP
17:18 <TaZ_> what's new?
17:18 <TaZ_> go to aero's
17:19 <TaZ_> 1v1 sumo
17:19 <Lizmatic> erm, k
17:27 <Lizmatic> can't believe I wasted my time on that
17:27 <TaZ_> gotta love that lag
17:27 <epsy> ..lol
17:27 <Lizmatic> ...
17:27 <TaZ_> ... indeed
17:27 <Lizmatic> it was an american server...
17:27 <TaZ_> can't wait to have a fair 1v1
17:27 <Lizmatic> o_O
17:27 <epsy> TaZ_, put some variation, says that your cat was being a dick
17:27 <epsy> *-s
17:27 <TaZ_> i say congratz, cause you won fair and all, but i lagged and spiked the whole time
17:27 <Lizmatic> who says I didn't?
17:28 <Lizmatic> just because I don't complain, doesn't mean I never lag or slide
17:28 <TaZ_> um no, I can tell you didn't slide
17:28 <Lizmatic> lol
17:28 <TaZ_> you're connection is probably better
17:28 <Lizmatic> my are connection what?
17:28 <akira_arma> you DO complain ;)
17:28 <akira_arma> soemtimes.
17:28 <epsy> Lizmatic, you are connection. not shut up
17:28 <akira_arma> some*
17:28 <epsy> now *
17:28 <TaZ_> ah, so she does complain :D
17:28 <Lizmatic> you're mother epsy
17:28 <epsy> no your
17:29 <Lizmatic> hah
17:29 <TaZ_> you are mother
17:29 <TaZ_> ...lol
17:29 <TaZ_> anyway, congratz lizmatic
17:29 <Lizmatic> anyway TaZ, you beating me is NEVER going to happen, get used to it
17:29 <TaZ_> you played good ;)
17:29 <Lizmatic> I didn't even try tbh
17:29 <TaZ_> don't be so cocky :)
17:29 <TaZ_> everyone knows x is nub
17:29 <Lizmatic> I'm not even in x
17:30 <Lizmatic> LOL!
17:30 <epsy> fail
17:30 <TaZ_> except for black_hat
17:30  * Lizmatic lol'd
17:30 <Lizmatic> I love it when people are unintionally funny
17:30 <epsy> who is x anyway?
17:30 <Lizmatic> froggy perhaps?
17:30 <TaZ_> idk, some noob clan
17:30 <TaZ_> i thing they died?
17:30 <TaZ_> think*
17:30 <Lizmatic> yeah, vcl is so much cooler
17:30 <Lizmatic> plz can i join
17:30 <TaZ_> oh yea
17:30 <TaZ_> you'll never be cool enough for VcL
17:30 <epsy> so a person can be a clan?
17:30 <Lizmatic> high rubber is sooo gud and 1337
17:31 <Lizmatic> AW SHYT! dang..
17:31 <TaZ_> first you need to get on my level lizmatic xD
17:31 <Lizmatic> ah dang :( vcl is soo gud
17:31 <Lizmatic> it liek, plays with rubbr
17:31 <TaZ_> aren't you a mom now, lizmatic?
17:31 <epsy> Lizmatic, you must stop being good to reach his level
17:32 <TaZ_> you sure don't act like it. ;)
17:32 <Lizmatic> lol
17:32 <TaZ_> and epsy, i don't argue with kids :)
17:32 <TaZ_> you're like 11
17:32 <akira_arma> this conv is retarded ;)
17:32 <epsy> I am even getting you to argue with me?
17:32 <TaZ_> lol akira
17:32 <Lizmatic> wow, he got the your/you're right for once
17:32 <TaZ_> :P
17:32 <Lizmatic> gold star
17:32 <TaZ_> ah, thx lizzy
17:32 <epsy> like, he got the police on his ass now?
17:33 <epsy> TaZ_, I didn't hear your answer
17:33 <TaZ_> To what?
17:33 <epsy> [17:33] <epsy>: I am even getting you to argue with me?
17:33 <TaZ_> I'm sorry, I didn't know you asked a question
17:34 <epsy> or trying to, if you prefer
17:34 <TaZ_> epsy, why are you still talking?
17:34 <TaZ_> oO
17:34 <akira_arma> This isn'T a question epsy..
17:34 <TaZ_> xD
17:34 <epsy> yeah, I gotta agree this kind of puctuation is difficult to see
17:34 <Lizmatic> everytime TaZ comes in, there's an argument, hihi
17:34 <epsy> yes, I made a typo
17:35 <TaZ_> :)
17:35 <TaZ_> how's the baby lizmatic
17:35 <Lizmatic> what makes you think I'd discuss something like that with you? how old are you again.. 12?
17:35 <epsy> TaZ_, the thing is, that I wasn't even talking to you, so if you're having trouble not arguing with me, I won't give a fuck about it
17:36 <TaZ_> I heard they test half the country...still no father. :(
17:36 <epsy> back to desk 7
17:36 <epsy> duteehawhaw
17:36 <TaZ_> epsy, no need to curse buddy
17:37 <Lizmatic> TaZ, what's your point?
17:37 <TaZ_> I don't think I was trying to prove a point. :)
17:37 <epsy> use "you're", otherwise he won't understand
17:37 <TaZ_> LOL!
17:37 <Lizmatic> are you jealous that you can't get laid?
17:37 <Lizmatic> because it'll happen one day kid, just hang in there
17:38 <TaZ_> Seeing as you're 18, and obviously didn't have the knowledge to use protection..
17:39 <Lizmatic> and?
17:39 <TaZ_> How can you call Americans dumb, when you your self..
17:39 <epsy> lol
17:39 <TaZ_> I'm not trying to down you for being a single mother and all...
17:39 <Lizmatic> no no, of course you're not
17:39 <TaZ_> I respect that actually
17:39 <Lizmatic>  <TaZ_> I heard they test half the country...still no father. :(
17:39 <Lizmatic> COUGH
17:40 <TaZ_> But don't sit here and call Americans dumb, when you weren't smart enough to use protection
17:40 <TaZ_> So there, :)
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17:40 <Lizmatic> yes, me not using protection totally proves the fact that americans are dumb wrong..
17:40 <Lizmatic> boy, was I a moron..
17:40 <TaZ_> It was your choice
17:40 <TaZ_> And I hope that you make a great mother :)
17:40 <Lizmatic> I'm a bitch but at least I'm not fake nice to people, fuck off, TaZ_
17:41 <MrBougo> hello I love you all
17:41 <TaZ_> I'm sorry?
17:41 <TaZ_> I love you too Mrbougo !xD
17:41 <epsy> OMG BELGIANS DESERVE HELL!
17:41  * Lizmatic agrees 93%
17:41 <epsy> 'lo MrBougo
17:41 <MrBougo> epsy, you freak :p
17:41 <epsy> MrBougo, still not wanting to try defrag for trem? :D
17:42 <MrBougo> NEVR
17:42 <MrBougo> trem is sloppy
17:42 <MrBougo> how would defrag work on this
17:42 <epsy> still, pulse rifle climbing is fun
17:42 <MrBougo> bla bla bla
17:42 <MrBougo> :p
17:42 <epsy> how would defrag even work on nexuiz after all? :D
17:43 <MrBougo> there's no defrag on nexuiz!
17:43 <epsy> wait it doesn't even exist lol
17:43 <MrBougo> there's a race mode though
17:43 <epsy> even in race you can kill other people
17:43 <MrBougo> nope
17:43 <MrBougo> not in qualifying mode
17:43 <MrBougo> and you can configure that, too
17:43 <epsy> last time I checked, I could
17:44 <MrBougo> it wasnt qualifying then
17:44 <epsy> btw you have cpma & all that installed?
17:45 <epsy> does he even know? :<
17:45 <MrBougo> cpma?
17:45 <MrBougo> brb
17:45 <epsy> challenge promode  a..rena
17:45 <epsy> the q3 mod lol
17:48 <MrBougo> I dont play q
17:48 <MrBougo> q3
17:49 <epsy> ok
18:03 <TaZ_> epsy
18:03 <epsy> why does tDirectories::GetFile list an empty filename ?
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18:10 <TaZ_> wbwb
18:13 <epsy> guru3, spam: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=19052
18:18 <MrBougo> but but but!
18:18 <MrBougo> BeneGoods sell sports shoes wholesale and retail!
18:19 <MrBougo> lol, ugly shoes
18:20 <akira_arma> http://www.city-journal.org/2009/eon0212wo.html
18:20 <akira_arma> W.T.F.
18:21 <akira_arma> fahrenheit 251 live..
18:21 <akira_arma> 451*
18:21 <akira_arma> they banned childbooks in US printed prior to 1985
18:22 <akira_arma> becvause of some insignificant lead ink..
18:22 <Lizmatic> akira, our source to world unfairness
18:23 <akira_arma> no its just 1 step more
18:23 <akira_arma> on the way to a fascist technocracy
18:23 <akira_arma> :(
18:23 <Lizmatic> heh, are you one of those conspiracy guys?
18:23 <akira_arma> ?
18:23 <akira_arma> umm i am realistic
18:23 <Lizmatic> like you believe in the new world order, the elite, etc
18:23 <akira_arma> there is nothing to believe
18:24 <Lizmatic> so you do? :p
18:24 <akira_arma> just watch whats happening
18:24 <akira_arma> read laws
18:24 <akira_arma> follow mponey streams
18:24 <Lizmatic> well yes I know, the whole new world order thing sounds a bit farfetched though
18:24 <akira_arma> look at the structures of comapnies and govs
18:25 <akira_arma> i bet the third reich seemed farfetched in 1923 too
18:25 <akira_arma> yet it became reality
18:25 <Lizmatic> we won't see it in our lifetime though
18:25 <akira_arma> thats bs
18:25 <akira_arma> its happening right now before your eyes
18:26 <Lizmatic> you know what I mean..
18:26 <Lizmatic> the exploding point
18:26 <akira_arma> each day some law or other development to further it gets passed
18:26 <akira_arma> while the transfer of wealth form the bottom to the top is running rampant more than ever
18:26 <Lizmatic> I'll believe it when I see it tbh, besides.. what can you do about it once you're aware of it?
18:27 <Lizmatic> ignorance is bliss
18:27 <akira_arma> i am not saying i can do anything about it alone
18:27 <akira_arma> but at least i dont dismiss it and believe the propganda
18:28 <akira_arma> I mean the govs and agencies are blatrantly lying about so many things these days
18:28 <Lizmatic> I know, but that will never change
18:28 <akira_arma> its horrible
18:28 <akira_arma> it wont change because the stranglehold over the oublic consent is stronger than ever
18:29 <akira_arma> public
18:29 <Lizmatic> it wont change because its human nature, just like war, it will never go away
18:29 <akira_arma> through mass media and entertainment
18:29 <akira_arma> no
18:29 <akira_arma> thats so wrong
18:29 <akira_arma> you totally dismiss the influence of conditioning
18:29 <akira_arma> which is bs
18:29 <Lizmatic> I don't dismiss, I see things and am aware of it..
18:30 <Lizmatic> that doesn't mean it can be changed, neccesarily
18:30 <akira_arma> yes because everyone in our system is condittioned
18:30 <akira_arma> since we grow up here
18:30 <akira_arma> so naturally things doesnt seem to be likely to change cause we always experienced it that way
18:30 <akira_arma> that doesnt mean anything tho
18:31 <akira_arma> it just means that the conditioning to THAT public consent works
18:31 <Lizmatic> man, you're gonna give me nightmares
18:31 <akira_arma> i mean just watch media
18:32 <akira_arma> if you analyze it and look for relevant messges
18:32 <akira_arma> its petty clear that its mostly upholding some idea of society and values
18:33 <akira_arma> which has nothing to do with reality or being "good" for humanity
18:33 <akira_arma> its just a man.made up thing .. and then look WHO is profiting from it
18:33 <akira_arma> bah
18:33 <akira_arma> sorry
18:33  * Lizmatic pats akira on the head
18:33 <Lizmatic> there there, it will be okay
18:34 <akira_arma> no it wont
18:34 <akira_arma> :(
18:34 <Lizmatic> :(!
18:34 <akira_arma> you'll see
18:34 <akira_arma> next 5-10 years will be fun
18:34 <Lizmatic> we'll all die in the end, np
18:34 <akira_arma> transformation to a global fascism
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20:13 <epsy> «  And every two characters are swapped. Sorry about that. »
20:13 <epsy> huh?!
20:14 <epsy> oh, he isn't here :)
20:15 <ct|kyle> ?
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20:22 <Lucifer> hmmm, is it valid xhtml to put a div inside a form?
20:23 <BabyBug> try it and find out =P
20:23 <Lucifer> heh
20:24 <Lucifer> I'm burying everything behind a login prompt, so I can't just run the validator on it
20:24 <Lucifer> I'm going to just do it and not worry about it
20:24 <ct|kyle> it probably is not
20:24 <ct|kyle> div can hardly go in anything
20:25 <ct|kyle> http://talkbinary.com/uncategorized/linux-101-hacks-free-e-book/
20:26 <epsy> Lucifer, it is
20:26 <epsy> even though forms are often inlines
20:27 <epsy> bah, BabyBug wins
20:28 <epsy> merge hell time
20:29 <BabyBug> You're learn that soon epsy....women always win =)
20:30 <epsy> how do I check the diff that causes a conflict?
20:31 <Lucifer> yay, I almost have an almost-working form generator!
20:32  * Lucifer is sooooo out of practice with php
20:32 <ct|kyle> with the .THIS and .OTHER files
20:32 <epsy> no, not how they are different today
20:32 <epsy> but you got me on the right path
20:32 <epsy> base vs other
20:32 <ct|kyle> ya those
20:35 <ct|kyle> it is .THIS and .OTHER for merge --weave
20:37 <Lucifer> #fetch http://accounting.davefancella.com
20:37 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"?>\r\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\r\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\r\n<head>\n<title>Service Login</title>\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/style/default.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="print" href="/style/print.css" />\n<meta (2 more messages)
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20:54 <epsy> ct|kyle, btw, does MSN really just tell you you're banned? it could be your nickname
20:55 <ct|kyle> i don't know, it just won't connect
21:00 <epsy> try chinging nickname
21:00 <epsy> I remember once not being able to connect because of some characters in my nick
21:00 <epsy> (it could just be the newlines)
21:03 <ct|kyle> i don't know how to change it if i can't log in
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21:24 <Lizmatic> oh god no
21:26 <akira_arma> lol
21:30 <TaZ_> hey everyone!
21:30 <TaZ_> and lizmatic
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21:31 <Lizmatic> just when you think you've experienced it all..
21:31 <guru3> i need a way to take like a square of LEDs
21:31 <guru3> and produce an equal brightness surface
21:31 <TaZ_> oo, for what?
21:31 <guru3> i want to build an LED based overhead reader
21:32 <TaZ_> what would you attach it too?
21:32 <guru3> the desk?
21:32 <guru3> like the things they use for reading xrays and film negatives
21:32 <guru3> that sort of surface
21:33 <TaZ_> ah, i see
21:33 <guru3> but i have no idea what sort of optics you need to use to do that
21:33 <TaZ_> well building the LED surface would not be that hard
21:33 <guru3> well a grid of LEDs seems easy
21:33 <TaZ_> Yea
21:33 <guru3> it's just how to get all of those light sources to even out
21:33 <guru3> so that you don't have just a point of really bright bits
21:33 <TaZ_> You want them perfectly even?
21:33 <TaZ_> i see
21:34 <guru3> as close as possible
21:34 <TaZ_> how good are you with circuits?
21:34 <guru3> OK
21:34 <TaZ_> lol ok
21:34 <guru3> i know overhead projectors use a frenzel lens on the halogen bulb
21:34 <TaZ_> yea
21:35 <guru3> i wonder if something like that might work if i put enough distance between the leds and the lens
21:35 <guru3> ie, the focal length of the lens
21:35 <TaZ_> hmm
21:36 <guru3> because since it's flat, it should blow up the LEDs so that they overlap each other
21:36 <guru3> if i place the leds the right distance apart from each other, it should be near even then
21:36 <TaZ_> How many LEDs are you trying to put on this thing?
21:36 <TaZ_> can you give me a measurement?
21:36 <guru3> maybe 100 leds
21:37 <TaZ_> ah ok
21:37 <guru3> 6 x 7 or so
21:37 <guru3> 7 x 5 even
21:37 <guru3> (inches)
21:37 <TaZ_> that's not bad, but you may not need up to 100
21:37 <guru3> i want it to be really bright
21:37 <TaZ_> lol ok
21:38 <guru3> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FULL-Page-Sheet-Magnifier-Fresnel-Lens-MAGNIFYING-glass_W0QQitemZ200307418594QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_VisionGlasses_Lenses_SM?hash=item200307418594&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
21:38 <guru3> something like that might be OK
21:38 <TaZ_> ah i see
21:38 <TaZ_> and you know how to solder, right?
21:38 <guru3> yeah
21:39 <guru3> but i don't know if the frensel lense will do what i think it should and sort of merge the led beams
21:39 <TaZ_> well if you use resistors, you should be able to output equal power to each LED
21:40 <TaZ_> therefor, one will not be brighter than the other
21:41 <TaZ_> this is just my opinion though, :D
21:41 <guru3> someone's opinion is better than no ones as long as they're talking seriously
21:41 <TaZ_> yea
21:41 <TaZ_> and it wouldn't be hard, just maybe tedious if you're planning to put 100 LEDs on :P
21:42 <TaZ_> especially on something that smile
21:42 <TaZ_> small*
21:42 <guru3> that's tru
21:42 <guru3> *true
21:42 <guru3> ive already burned a small hole in my carpet that's now tin lined
21:42 <TaZ_> lol why?
21:42 <guru3> i was soldering today
21:43 <guru3> and the solder fell off :/
21:43 <TaZ_> xD
21:43 <TaZ_> that sucks so bad
21:43 <guru3> bit of an 'oops' moment
21:43 <TaZ_> you ever been burned by solder?
21:43 <guru3> i can't tell if this stuff has rosin in it or not
21:43 <guru3> yeah
21:43 <guru3> but it doesn't seem like it
21:43 <TaZ_> ah
21:44 <guru3> i'll also need to find some bright ass LEDs
21:44 <TaZ_> so all you would need is a pin, resistors, and the LED's
21:44 <TaZ_> plus the board
21:44 <guru3> a pin?
21:44 <TaZ_> yea
21:44 <epsy> rab it from a camera
21:44 <guru3> ?
21:45 <epsy> the bright-ass led
21:45 <TaZ_> LED's from the camera???
21:45 <guru3> i was just gonna order some super bright white leds off of ebay
21:45 <TaZ_> LOL!
21:45 <guru3> if i knew what an 'MCD' was i'd feel slightly better about it
21:45 <guru3> lumens i understand
21:45 <TaZ_> ah ok
21:46 <guru3> why no one seems to be rating leds in lumens... who knows
21:46 <TaZ_> you kinda have to search far to find some bright LED's
21:46 <guru3> is 110k mcd bright?
21:47 <guru3> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/50p-10mm-JUMBO-BRIGHT-WHITE-LED-140-000mcdFREE-RESISTOR_W0QQitemZ370160302869QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Electronic_Components?hash=item370160302869&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
21:47 <guru3> i just wish i knew what the hell an MCD was
21:47 <TaZ_> micro-controller device?
21:48 <guru3> "Luminous Intensity MCD: Typ: 140,000 mcd  "
21:48 <guru3> or is just 17k mcd enough?
21:48 <guru3> (it's a hell of a lot cheaper)
21:48 <TaZ_> haha it says "Intensely Bright"m so im guessing it has to be really bright
21:48 <TaZ_> lol
21:49 <TaZ_> i never got into the brightness of LED's when i was soldering
21:49 <guru3> The unit of measure commonly used to describe LED intensity is the millicandela (mcd), 1000 millicandela equals 1 candela. Candelas measures how much light is produced as measured at the light source.
21:49 <akira_arma> omg i just read the best comment about arnie S.' role in "conan"
21:49 <akira_arma> What set it apart from its peers was a director/writer totally committed to making a great movie, tons of money, a producer who wasn't afraid of a 'R' rating, great actors, and a star who was too dumb to realize the inherent silliness of his role.
21:49 <TaZ_> ah yea, now i remember
21:49 <guru3> http://led.linear1.org/lumen.wiz
21:49 <akira_arma> mind the last part :)
21:50 <guru3> 17k mcd at 90 degress = 31 lumens
21:50 <guru3> x100 = 3100 lumens
21:50 <TaZ_> now guru3, are you trying to burn your eyes out with these LEDs, while lighting up your entire house?
21:50 <guru3> that's roughly what a low end OHP is
21:51 <guru3> well, actually, i'm trying to make an LED OHP
21:51 <guru3> but 17k mcd at 25 degress = 2.5 lumens
21:51 <guru3> only 250 :/
21:51 <guru3> not enough :/
21:51 <TaZ_> you should put a potentiometer so you can vary the light level!
21:51 <TaZ_> ah
21:51 <guru3> ive got this white led keychain
21:52 <guru3> i have no idea how many mcds it is
21:52 <guru3> but it's the level of brightness i want
21:52 <TaZ_> hmm
21:53 <guru3> need at least 50k mcds
21:54 <TaZ_> ebay would be the best place for that :D
21:54 <guru3> which is what i'm doing
21:54 <guru3> ebay searching
21:55 <guru3> 75kmcd at 40 degress = 28 lumens
21:55 <guru3> but only 50 of them
21:55 <TaZ_> i would get some resistors too, maybe 100ohms
21:55 <guru3> 1400 lumens
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21:59 <epsy> how do I tell vim to match really any character?
22:00 <epsy> [.\n]\+ interprets . as a dot
22:04 <guru3> ive never worked that one out
22:07 <epsy> :help /\_
22:08 <epsy> \_. will match . plus newlines
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22:09 <epsy> though matching /<<<<<<< TREE\_.\+=======\_.\+>>>>>>> is quite difficult
22:10 <epsy> it doesn't really work with anything bigger than window size
22:10 <guru3> it looks like flat top leds would be best
22:11 <epsy> that's what I have on my phone as the camera's flash
22:11 <epsy> trust me, it IS bright
22:11 <guru3> i wonder if i want a broad beam though or a narrower one
22:11 <guru3> does it light up your cieling?
22:12 <epsy> probably not
22:12 <guru3> (trying to get an OHP effect)
22:12 <guru3> maybe a narrower angle is better
22:12 <guru3> at least it's a lot cheaper
22:13 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct] r661 Merge from main branch r1054
22:13 <epsy> no it does not
22:14 <epsy> you might need xenon neons instead :<
22:14 <epsy> god this conflict is huge
22:15 <luke-jr> guru3: hi
22:16 <guru3> luke-jr: hi
22:16 <luke-jr> guru3: are you familiar with Fortress logic? :p
22:16 <guru3> nope -_-
22:17 <luke-jr> hm
22:17 <luke-jr> zones v2 fortress is mostly working
22:17 <luke-jr> just can't seem to get the rotation logic quite right
22:17 <epsy> fortress logic being .. N
22:17 <epsy> ?
22:17 <epsy> the relation between conquered_ and rotation speed?
22:18 <luke-jr> I think so
22:18 <epsy> or what builds up conquered_
22:18 <luke-jr> well, building conquered_ is easy and doesn't involve visuals ☺
22:18 <epsy> hehe
22:18 <luke-jr> unfortunately, the visuals directly affect when a zone allows itself to collapse
22:23 <epsy> automake, automake -a, automake -v works but automake -av produces an error
22:23 <epsy> -a being
22:23 <epsy>   -a, --add-missing      add missing standard files to package
22:24 <epsy> and -v meaning verbose, ofc
22:25 <epsy> and actually it shows no errors..
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22:27 <luke-jr> lol
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22:28 <epsy> there's just, at some point, it telling me it's not writing whateverthefuck.in because of "earlier errors", which aren't even shown
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22:29 <epsy> ah right, it doesn't distungish error and warning
22:30 <epsy> just shows them the same way
22:38 <guru3> time to clean up my room :<
22:39 <epsy> can you clean up my home [folder] as well?
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22:49 <epsy> guru3, do you know if there's a wikimedia function to ROT1 stuff?
22:51 <guru3> no idea
23:09 <epsy> well, it will be less harsh than rot1 then
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