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--- Day changed Thu Dec 11 2008
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00:01 <Ratchet--> hey uh
00:01 <Ratchet--> serious help needed with tron
00:02 <Ratchet--> I was just playing and it shut off immediately like I hit shift escape
00:02 <Ratchet--> when I start it up it shows the title screen then goes black
00:02 <Ratchet--> and if i hit enter it shows blurred letters and such
00:02 <Ratchet--> on ubuntu
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00:03 <Ratchet--> ivantis
00:03 <Ratchet--> luke-jr:
00:03 <Ratchet--> someone :s
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00:08 <dlh> It was so urgent he could only wait 5 minutes for the answer.
00:08 <K-Yo> yeah
00:08 <K-Yo> :P
00:08 <K-Yo> I was just noticing that
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00:22 <fonkay> boo
00:24 <Flex> Lizmatic, you look like Patchwerk, from WoW!
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00:30 <Lizmatic> Flex, you look like an ass
00:30 <BabyBug> +1
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00:35 <Flex> that's not what your mamma said last night
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00:37 <Lizmatic> thats what she said
00:37 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: sshd works fine in chroot for me
00:39 <Monkey_arma> comging to fort guys?
00:39 <Lizmatic> are you there?
00:40 <Lackadaisical> just left..
00:40 <Monkey_arma> hmm
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00:40 <Monkey_arma> no im in pinks sumo
00:40 <luke-jr> lol
00:44 <Lizmatic> There is only  1 sumo.
00:44 <Lizmatic> x team sumo.
00:45 <Flex> what about bugfarm? and ct open sumo?
00:45 <Flex> and wild west sumo
00:45 <Lizmatic> (although I don't get the craze over this "team" thing)
00:45 <Lizmatic> Flex, you're obviously seeing ghosts
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01:00 <john_ripper> yeaaah! all tronner's in here?
01:00 <Ratchet--> i restarted and it fixed but its broke again
01:01 <Ratchet--> PinkTomato:  luke-jr Lucifer ivantis3
01:01 <luke-jr> Lucifer: wanna kick Ratchet-- for us?
01:01 <Ratchet--> yeah no
01:01 <Ratchet--> -.-
01:02 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: wanna pay me $35/hr for private tech support?
01:02 <Ratchet--> not quite
01:02 <john_ripper> :D
01:02 <luke-jr> then stfu and stop highlighting me
01:02 <john_ripper> Which private tech support?
01:02 <Ratchet--> <3
01:02 <john_ripper> Installing tron ? LOL
01:03 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: if you want help, ask your problem WITHOUT highlighting people
01:03 <luke-jr> and if we're around, we MIGHT see it
01:03 <luke-jr> and MIGHT have time to help
01:03 <luke-jr> but chances are, "its broke" will get 100% IGNORED
01:03 <luke-jr> because it tells us NOTHING
01:03 <Ratchet--> well k
01:03 <PinkTomato> Ratchet--: Ratchet-- Ratchet-- Are you still running compiz?
01:03 <luke-jr> you will at the very least need to DESCRIBE THE PROBLEM
01:03 <Ratchet--> no PinkTomato
01:04 <luke-jr> and probably provide a BACKTRACE if it's a crash
01:04 <john_ripper> I just entered...soo...Ratchet, WTF you wanna do?
01:04 <Ratchet--> i open tron and it shows splash screen
01:04 <Ratchet--> then it goes black
01:04 <Ratchet--> if i press enter to make the menu show up
01:04 <Ratchet--> the text is fuckified
01:04 <Ratchet--> and unreadable
01:04  * luke-jr blames Ratchet--.
01:05 <john_ripper> Damn...i thought: NOW IT COMES! THE IF STATEMENT IN LINE 1038 DOES NOT SEEMS.... .
01:05 <john_ripper> ...but it's just a problem with your installation?
01:06 <luke-jr> LOL
01:06 <Ratchet--> i'm on ubunttttt jackass
01:06 <Ratchet--> -.-
01:06 <Ratchet--> ubuntu *
01:06 <luke-jr> john_ripper: hey, join #anime and play Yandere with is
01:06 <luke-jr> us*
01:06 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: WTF DO WE CARE ABOUT UBUNTU?
01:07 <john_ripper> Yandere? :D k
01:07 <PinkTomato> what scvreen res is it in?
01:08 <Ratchet--> uh same size as window is
01:08 <Ratchet--> 800 600
01:09 <PinkTomato> you running it in a window?
01:09 <Ratchet--> yessir
01:09 <john_ripper> Ratchet...open your config.cvs.
01:09 <Ratchet--> ... for?
01:09 <PinkTomato> send us a printscreen of whatever you can
01:09 <luke-jr> wtf is config.cvs?
01:09 <Ratchet--> well i can show you the fucked up text?
01:10 <Ratchet--> thats all thats unusual
01:10 <PinkTomato> just send a printscreen :)
01:10 <Ratchet--> im reinstaling right now, trying that
01:10 <Ratchet--> k
01:11 <PinkTomato> have you messed around with the resource files?
01:11 <john_ripper> Hm...let me search... . In your .armagetron folder... .
01:11 <john_ripper> .armagetronad/var$
01:11 <john_ripper> There it is:
01:12 <john_ripper> Open "user.cfg"
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01:12 <Ratchet--> ok then what
01:12 <Ratchet--> john_ripper:
01:12 <Ratchet--> O.o
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01:12 <TaZ_> Hello
01:13 <john_ripper> Than!
01:13 <john_ripper> Post it please to http://pastebin.com
01:13 <john_ripper> Just the first 50 lines.
01:13 <john_ripper> Or wait... .
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01:13 <john_ripper> change these lines:
01:14 <john_ripper> No, don't change these lines, change the value of them!
01:14 <john_ripper> I got -1
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01:14 <john_ripper> And it worked fine for me.
01:14 <luke-jr> john_ripper: :/
01:14 <Ratchet--> http://pastebin.com/m2e735034
01:15 <john_ripper> Do u use debian?
01:15 <TaZ_> luke-jr:
01:16 <john_ripper> Ratchet--? Windows? Debian? Gentoo? Red Hat?
01:16 <john_ripper> What's your default screen res?
01:18 <PinkTomato> this is what we were dealing with: http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2dt1.png
01:18 <PinkTomato> Ratchet-- reinstalled and all is well.
01:18 <TaZ_> oO
01:20 <john_ripper> But the cycle seems well build ;)
01:21 <john_ripper> stats and letters are irrelevant :D
01:24 <PinkTomato> :)
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01:32 <dlh> Probably a problem with Mesa... he'll be back complaining again. http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18508
01:32 <teabot> Freedesktop bug 18508 in Drivers/X11 "OpenGL texture corruption" [Major,New]
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02:23 <SageLord> oy, its snowing :O
02:24 <SageLord> you guys have failed in getting 4 people to sign up
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02:28 <SageLord> -.-
02:30 <Monkey_arma> its too early to signup sage
02:30 <hoax> SageLord
02:30 <hoax> how to i know what im doing on the 18th of jan
02:30 <hoax> do*
02:45 <hoax> deadline is 23rd?
02:49 <SageLord> yea thats the deadline, subject to change
02:52 <SageLord> do you think i should extend the sign ups another week?
02:53 <Monkey_arma> personally, i would go by the ladle. but its up to you if you want to have an earlier deadline
02:54 <hoax> SageLord: oui, at least, imo.
02:58 <SageLord> i think i will extend it one week
02:58 <SageLord> then
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02:59 <SageLord> i want to give teams that want to practice a chance to practice
03:07 <Monkey_arma> you do whatever you want
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04:03 <Lucifer> fonkay: like I'm really going to be able to *make* someone who lives a couple thousand miles from me do something she doesn't want to do....
04:04 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: how is your girl chasing going  (hi there)
04:09 <Lucifer> heh, not good
04:09 <Lucifer> struck out with the librarian
04:10 <Lucifer> right now I've got higher priorities than girl chasing, so it's not happening at all
04:10 <ct|kyle> ah
04:10 <Lucifer> there was a girl in a geology class that was showing a high amount of interest
04:11 <Lucifer> but besides looking like she wasn't even old enough to buy beer, some casual eavesdropping revealed a strong possibility of a boyfriend already (but nothing conclusive)
04:13 <Lucifer> hmmm, do I want to spend the memory to have a widget whose sole purpose is to allow someone to create a new budget when none exist?
04:13 <Lucifer> er, I guess that question answers itself, because I need a way to create more after there is one
04:14 <Lucifer> ahhh, that's the question that stopped work last night
04:14 <Lucifer> ok, I get it now ;)
04:17 <ct|kyle> ah
04:17 <luke-jr> Lucifer: your irreligiousity I'm sure helped you get over your ex-wife :/
04:18 <luke-jr> sigh
04:18 <Lucifer> luke-jr: nah, her being a psycho helped a lot
04:18 <Lucifer> to be honest, I'm not convinced I'm over her completely
04:18 <luke-jr> well, my wife's a psycho yet I'm back to begging her to come home.
04:18 <Lucifer> just that I'm over the initial peak
04:18 <Lucifer> it's a stage
04:18 <Lucifer> got some money to buy a book?
04:18 <Lucifer> I'll even give you a handy amazon link :)
04:18 <luke-jr> it doesn't help that giving her up means celibacy for the rest of my life
04:19 <Lucifer> celibacy is probably best, really, heh
04:19 <Lucifer> anyway, I found reading a particular book and joining a divorce support group to be extremely helpful
04:19 <luke-jr> celibacy, for me, comes with anti-emotionalism :x
04:19 <Lucifer> of course, it's easier to find divorce support groups that are religion-based than it is to find some that aren't
04:19 <luke-jr> such a thing exists?
04:20 <Lucifer> anyway, the book I read (and browse through occasionally) really goes into detail on what to expect emotionally and how to cope with it
04:20 <Lucifer> yeah, there are support groups for everything
04:20 <Lucifer> I found mine through craigslist, but I'm sure google will work for you just as well
04:20 <Lucifer> it helps a lot to find "like minds" going through similar situations
04:20 <luke-jr> there are no like minds IMO
04:21 <Lucifer> http://www.amazon.com/Divorce-New-Beginnings-Co-Parenting-Stepfamilies/dp/0471326488/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228965663&sr=8-1
04:21 <luke-jr> I really just have no choice but to get her back. :/
04:21 <Lucifer> then find a reasonable facsimile thereof
04:22 <Lucifer> look, the stages of grief that you go through when someone dies also apply to divorce
04:22 <luke-jr> for me, there are no "New Beginnings"
04:22 <Lucifer> and during the "bargaining stage" is when you want to get her back
04:22 <luke-jr> death is different in that regard
04:22 <Lucifer> but it is a stage, and you can get through it
04:22 <Lucifer> indeed, divorce is the single worst trauma a person can experience
04:23 <Lucifer> and it's harder for men than it is for women, apparently
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04:23 <luke-jr> maybe I should take her by force
04:23 <Lucifer> newton's third law will bite you
04:24 <luke-jr> ?
04:24 <Lucifer> for every force, there is an equal and opposite force
04:24 <luke-jr> here's a new WTF:
04:25 <luke-jr> the MAX_CLIENTS 0 server I have is using more bandwidth than a regular rented server
04:25 <luke-jr> O.o
04:25 <luke-jr> Lucifer: well, maybe that opposite force will be somewhere far away from me
04:25 <Lucifer> what other toolkits do I know?  :/
04:26 <Lucifer> that's just wishful thinking.  If she doesn't want to come back, there's very little you can do
04:26 <Lucifer> really, I found that the time I spent thinking about all the ways I didn't like my wife really helped a lot :)
04:26 <Lucifer> make a list of things you like and things you don't like
04:26 <Lucifer> see which one's longer
04:27 <Lucifer> let's see, things I like about my ex-wife:
04:27 <Lucifer> 1.  Her boobs
04:27 <luke-jr> …
04:27 <ct|kyle> why does my college never schedule classes at reasonable times
04:27 <Lucifer> I think that's it
04:27 <Lucifer> yep, I'm pretty sure that's all I like about her
04:27 <Lucifer> I'm also pretty sure I don't have enough bandwidth to list thet hings I don't like about her
04:28 <ct|kyle> heh
04:28 <luke-jr> well even if sex was the only thing on my 'like about her' list, it also weighs pretty high since it is irreplacable
04:28 <Lucifer> there's a lot to be said for being celibate
04:29 <luke-jr> I don't even know if that's possible for me now.
04:29 <luke-jr> maybe back before she took my virginity.
04:29 <Lucifer> I would love to be able to go through life, seeing attractive women, and not having any interest at all
04:29 <luke-jr> I did that once upon a time
04:29 <luke-jr> but then I also looked upon love as disgusting
04:29 <Lucifer> I never have, heh
04:29 <luke-jr> and I couldn't raise kids thinking love is disgusting
04:29 <Lucifer> I wanted to marry my kindergarten teacher, she was freaking hot
04:30 <Lucifer> I never went through a stage where I thought girls were icky
04:30 <Lucifer> except fonkay
04:30 <luke-jr> I finally reluctantly admitted she was my girlfriend about a month before I married her.
04:30 <luke-jr> well, I don't think I considered *girls* icky
04:31 <luke-jr> rather, love, humans, sex, and emotional stuff in general
04:31 <Lucifer> nah, not me, never
04:31 <Lucifer> I wish there was a pill for that, seriously
04:32 <luke-jr> supposedly it's a disorder
04:32 <Lucifer> in fact, I'm going to have to say the reason I managed to stay married to that psycho for so long was because I loved the rollercoaster that our relationship was
04:32 <luke-jr> Schizoid Personaltiy Disorder
04:32 <luke-jr> there is a celibacy pill
04:32 <luke-jr> but it's not marketted as such
04:32 <Lucifer> you could just get your balls removed
04:32 <Lucifer> that's a tempting solution for me, but not quite tempting enough
04:33 <luke-jr> it's marketted for women for some kind of menstral thing
04:33 <Lucifer> there are other effects that I don't want ;)
04:33 <luke-jr> called 'chaste berry'
04:34 <luke-jr> anyhow, in my current condition, I literally cannot get anything done
04:35 <Lucifer> that's to be expected
04:35 <ct|kyle> how long has she been away
04:35 <Lucifer> you have to focus on paying the bills, and then just pick small things, small victories you can claim
04:35 <Lucifer> you want the cumulative effect of doing lots of small things
04:36 <Lucifer> you're UNIX, you want to do lots of little things really well and celebrate each one as its own victory
04:36  * Lucifer is working on his resume
04:36 <ct|kyle> like running it on a potato :P
04:36 <Lucifer> I looked at it today and realized why it hasn't helped me find a job
04:36 <Lucifer> it was terrible
04:36 <Lucifer> simply terrible
04:37 <Lucifer> also, get some exercise
04:37 <Lucifer> seriously, exercise
04:37 <Lucifer> take a martial arts class or something, something that only requires you to show up but doesn't require intense discipline (where working out solo requires intense discipline)
04:38  * Lucifer is going to take advantage of a free month from a tae kwon doe school, and if he's doing better financially in January, probably sign up
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04:38 <Lucifer> hi Manta, bye Manta
04:40 <Lucifer> I think I'll ask my question to RefreshAustin and see if any UI gurus there have a good answer
04:48 <Lucifer> if I ask enough questions to that group, maybe people will figure I know something (heh) and it'll be easier to find work
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09:20 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8654 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. batch/checkbugle.py src/engine/eCamera.cpp): Manuel Moos: Removed old debug code.
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09:50 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r949 Removed old debug code....
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10:25 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8655 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. acinclude.m4 configure.ac): Manuel Moos: Only add -Wno-strict-overflow if the compiler supports it.
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10:52 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r950 Only add -Wno-strict-overflow if the compiler supports it....
11:00 <fonkay> I'm not _that_ icky.
11:07 <Lucifer> fonkay: don't worry, it's just a stage
11:08 <Lucifer> you know you're programming too much when your compile lines read like this:
11:08 <Lucifer> g++ -c -pipe -O2 -D_REENTRANT -Wall -W -DCONSOLE_OUT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_SVG_LIB -DQT_SQL_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSql -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSql -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSvg -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSvg -I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/include/gwenhywfar3 -Imodels
11:08 <Lucifer> -Iwidgets -Iaccounting -Ibanking -Idelegates -Iwidgets/dialogs -Iwidgets/input -Iwidgets/base -I../../modeltest -I. -I. -o ../build/SplitEditor.o widgets/SplitEditor.cpp
11:09  * Lucifer needs to push his new c++ repo to launchpad
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12:04 <hang3r> Pics fonkay or it didn't happen
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13:18 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8656 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): Manuel Moos: Avoiding division by zero when breaking from a wall and CYCLE_WALL_NEAR is 0.
13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8657 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): Manuel Moos: Avoiding unwanted negative boosts.
13:28 <hang3r> Wow, I decided to download the latest SVN version of armagetronad 3.0alpha, nice work guys, I actually cant even work out how to play the game, and I'm not exactly new to armagetron, mind you I haven't played in years. Just some constructive criticism for you all to think about
13:29 <hang3r> Joined a server "Sorry, you must play 2 mins blah blah blah", err no.
13:29 <hang3r> went into local game, "wow I'm watching bots now, how do I actually join my own local game?" ...
13:30 <hang3r> Do I have to press secret key combinations?
13:31 <hang3r> Seems so...
13:32 <hang3r> You may want to take a step back and KEEP IT SIMPLE!
13:39 <z-man-work> hang3r: which server was that?
13:44 <akira_arma> yea simplcism was always the major feat of tron
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13:56 <epsy> wrtlprnft, "libm" is lacking
14:00 <hang3r> z-man-work, I can't remember which server it was. I take it that wasn't typical behaviour then?
14:00 <z-man-work> indeed.
14:00 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r952 Avoiding unwanted negative boosts.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r951 Avoiding division by zero when breaking from a wall and CYCL...
14:00 <z-man-work> The server uses a rarely used setting which seems to have an undesired side effect.
14:00 <z-man-work> When you restart the game, can you play then?
14:01 <z-man-work> Or do you have to enter the player setup and disable spectator mode?
14:01 <hang3r> No, I needed to disable spectator mode, I was just making you aware of the first perspective of someone new to AA
14:03 <hang3r> *How do I join* *How do I ask the other players how I join* *I can't find the chat key* *I cant find the key setup page*
14:04 <hang3r> etc
14:04 <hang3r> That was my line of thought
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14:06 <epsy> single player walkthrough may help with that, but for now, I don't have a clue
14:07 <hang3r> Not having a go at armagetron, I just felt like having a game (haven't played in over a year), downloaded and compiled the latest trunk from SVN at sourceforge, attempted to play and felt really lost
14:10 <hang3r> feedback is good, any new player at that stage would have almost given up, "too hard, plenty of other games, can't be bothered".
14:18 <z-man-work> hang3r: I can't reproduce the problem. If I enable the setting that doesn't allow you to play without experience on a server, enter it with lack of experience, then leave and start a local game, I play immediately.
14:19 <z-man-work> I suspect you must have instinctively (or my accident) pressed the "toggle spectator" key.
14:29 <epsy> "configure: error: conditional "AMDEP" was never defined."
14:29 <epsy> huh?
14:40 <epsy> happens in latest .2.8
14:48 <z-man-work> Odd, it's something automake does automatically. Don't ask me.
14:49 <epsy> and of course make distclean wants to run ./configure :(
14:54 <epsy> hmm; be back later
15:20 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8658 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: Fixed compiler warnings.
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15:57 <TaZ> Hi
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16:04 <SageLord> heyo
16:04 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r712 Fixed compiler warnings....
16:31 <epsy> bugmail is being..buggy
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17:17  * Lizmatic waves
17:17  * ct|kyle waves back
17:25  * SageLord-uni shrugs
17:26  * BabyBug cuddles Lizmatic 
17:39 <Monkey_arma> BabyBug akira_arma (and anyone else): http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Organised_Matches/Introduction
17:40  * BabyBug doesn't take part in organised matches
17:41 <SageLord-uni> :o
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17:49 <TaZ> Monkey_arma: Do you HR?
17:49  * Lizmatic waves at BabyBug
17:50 <BabyBug> =)
17:50 <Lizmatic> no she's stupid, she won't enter brawl
17:50 <Lizmatic> :P
17:50 <BabyBug> !!
17:50  * Lizmatic giggles.
17:50  * BabyBug tickles Lizmatic until she falls down a well
17:50 <Monkey_arma> TaZ No, I hate HR. I also hate infinite tails.
17:51 <Lizmatic> :D
17:51 <TaZ> aww
17:53 <TaZ> Monkey_arma: There is no such thing as an organized match.
17:53 <Monkey_arma> ?
17:54 <TaZ> organised*
17:55 <TaZ> nvm haha
17:55 <Monkey_arma> TaZ Wild West IQ test:
17:55 <Monkey_arma> "One of the purposes of these matches is to introduce new people to fortress. New people are very welcome."
17:55 <Monkey_arma> To edit the wiki, you will be asked a question about the colour of a cycle. The answer to the question is a colour beginning with the letter "R" and rhyming with "bed".
18:02 <TaZ> Purple?
18:02 <Monkey_arma> yes
18:03 <TaZ> :P
18:04 <TaZ> I meant to show this to epsy: http://vimeo.com/1778399
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18:10 <epsy> holy shit O_O
18:11 <epsy> why me btw?
18:11 <G5> Could be worse. Could be me! :)
18:12 <epsy> they are flying like a few centimeters away from the rock :x
18:13 <ct|kyle> what rockets
18:14 <G5> I donno what u r talking about
18:14 <ct|kyle> :P
18:15 <G5> But btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV-iP1jSMlI
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18:32 <madmax> those "fixed compiler warnings" are about gcc 4.3?
18:37 <BabyBug> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/965/1049965/school-teacher-bans-linux
18:37 <BabyBug> americans...are...idiots....
18:38 <epsy> is that an assertion?
18:39 <BabyBug> No.
18:40 <epsy> :D
18:41 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: the would have done the same at my school if the saw me using it :P
18:41 <ct|kyle> they*
18:42 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, Your school would of thought your distributing illegal software and threating to call the police? O.o
18:43 <ct|kyle> probably, i broke soo many of the computer rules there :P never once got caught though
18:43 <BabyBug> and you're american....
18:43 <ct|kyle> i even installed gentoo at home during class :P
18:43 <ct|kyle> ya
18:43 <BabyBug> idiots..
18:44 <ct|kyle> ya
18:44 <sinewav> america makes me sad.
18:45 <ct|kyle> ya
18:45 <ct|kyle> sinewav: z-man fixed the bug that your server had :)
18:48 <sinewav> The incam bug? Sweet. Actually, I'm working on the racing server right now. Incam only, no shooting!
18:48 <sinewav> old skool
18:48 <sinewav> ;}
18:48 <ct|kyle> cool
18:48 <epsy> no "brake"-boosting?
18:48 <sinewav> brake = accel
18:49 <epsy> :(
18:49 <sinewav> well, I may do something like that later though!
18:50 <epsy> what sucks about race in armagetron is that it has litterally nothing to do with the game
18:50 <epsy> i mean, nothing from the original game is used, only newly implemented tactics made just for the race server
18:51 <BabyBug> Perhaps if you want to get more people playing arma though, you need more variation?
18:51 <epsy> is the goal of the project to have many players?
18:52 <epsy> the goal is to help people have fun in a game simillar to the lightcycles from the movie tron
18:52 <sinewav> No, I think arma is perfect. I see my race server as a sort of art project.
18:52 <sinewav> I mean YES
18:53 <sinewav> I consider racing a diversion
18:53 <epsy> this includes: walls make you accelerate, and when you hit a wall you die
18:53 <epsy> to achieve stuff you gotta kill stuff
18:53 <sinewav> touching walls is for noobs
18:53 <epsy> this is what arma is meant to be
18:53 <sinewav> I agree
18:54 <epsy> (oh, and to kill stuff you gotta have them run in your wall, of course)
18:54 <epsy> now, let's apply this to a race server
18:54 <epsy> in a race server, players should not interact
18:54 <BabyBug> Does rubber have any relevance to the tron movie?
18:54 <sinewav> haha
18:54 <epsy> so they aren't going to grind off other people's tail
18:55 <epsy> but wait..we got other kinds of walls, rim walls
18:55 <epsy> BabyBug, No.
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18:56 <epsy> ah, that was another assertion
18:56 <iccleoldme> ...
18:56 <epsy> <3
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18:57 <BabyBug> Did anyone answer the question about rubber after? =P
18:58 <epsy> [18:54] <BabyBug>: Does rubber have any relevance to the tron movie?
18:58 <epsy> [18:54] <sinewav>: haha
18:58 <epsy> [18:54] <epsy>: so they aren't going to grind off other people's tail
18:58 <epsy> [18:54] <epsy>: but wait..we got other kinds of walls, rim walls
18:58 <epsy> [18:55] <epsy>: BabyBug, No.
18:58 <sinewav> <--agrees with epsy, but insistes that his racing server is more of an art project and not a serious alternative to arma.
18:58 <BabyBug> ah, so it's there purely to sort lag?
18:58 <epsy> erm, fortress isn't an alternative to arma
18:58 <epsy> BabyBug, originally
18:59 <epsy> sinewav, have you looked at some quake-based gmae's race maps?
18:59 <epsy> some quake-base games' *
18:59 <sinewav> I don't know what quake is, sorry
19:00 <epsy> it's one of the predicators of the FPS genre
19:00 <sinewav> like doom?
19:00 <epsy> yeah
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19:01 <sinewav> are the race maps cool or lame?
19:01 <epsy> depends on the games, and on the maps themselves
19:01 <epsy> somes are really awesome, and yet, you still have to use regular movement techniques
19:01 <BabyBug> So when arma gonna have the abilty to have multiple floors on a map =D
19:01 <BabyBug> when is*
19:01  * sinewav hardly knows anything about video games :(
19:02 <epsy> so you can have art'ish maps while keeping normal playing techniques
19:02 <epsy> BabyBug, probably not going to have that
19:02 <BabyBug> awwwww that sucks
19:03 <BabyBug> bikes that jump?
19:03 <sinewav> so, could arma-racing be cool if the cycles had walls? because I was thinking about that too...
19:03 <epsy> never, and that's 100% sure
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19:03 <sinewav> ramps and flying!
19:03 <epsy> no, as said earlier, two racing players should not interact
19:03 <sinewav> oh yeah...
19:04 <BabyBug> So no jumping bikes...No multiple floors...What actually is planned in terms of improving game play? =D
19:04 <sinewav> Well anyway, my race server is a failure. I just keep it up to look at.
19:04 <epsy> BabyBug, proper gametype handling
19:05 <ct|kyle> at least it has better maps than dd
19:05 <BabyBug> epsy, meaning.....
19:05 <epsy> BabyBug, adding gametypes!
19:05 <epsy> and have them look hawt
19:05 <BabyBug> There's already different gametypes ><
19:05 <epsy> nope
19:06 <BabyBug> what do you call fortress...sumo...ctf...etc etc...
19:06 <epsy> fortress and sumo are based on stuff that is considered as hacks
19:06 <epsy> and you don't have any notion of gametype in arma
19:06 <sinewav> kyle: yeah, my maps took sevral days to make, not sevral minutes!
19:06 <epsy> ctf etc etc are server hacks
19:07 <epsy> did you ever play ctf in armagetron? there are barely circles represending flags and bases
19:07 <epsy> representing*
19:07 <epsy> do you think that looks any good, and has a little more value than a hack?
19:08 <BabyBug> looks good no...But looking good doesn't improve game play imo
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19:09 <epsy> tell me BabyBug, except hacking stuff weirdly etc, how does one add a new "gametype", as of today?
19:10 <epsy> otherwise, define "gameplay improvement"
19:11 <epsy> because seriousely, regarding basic gameplay, there is really nothing that sucks
19:11 <ct|kyle> http://www.snotr.com/video/1938
19:11 <BabyBug> You're missing the point completely...I talking from the perspective of someone who's playing tron, don't care how it's implemented as long as it's there. So is there going to be anything completely new in terms of features that a user can see except looks...not a coder or a person who runs a server..
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19:11 <dlh> From a user's point of view, there are different game modes. They may be crude, but there are different point.
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19:12 <dlh> are different modes*
19:14 <Ady-Lucifer> Im sure if you pay for it theres gonna be lots of new things :)
19:14 <epsy> BabyBug, singleplayer walkthrough
19:14 <Ady-Lucifer> hahah
19:15 <Ady-Lucifer> Someday we should add a 3rd axis so weve got <x,y,z>
19:15 <epsy> no we should not
19:15 <Ady-Lucifer> In the future
19:15 <Ady-Lucifer> 2015
19:15 <epsy> armagetron is a 2D game rendered in 3D
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19:16 <epsy> so players don't have a z coordinate
19:16 <sinewav> Arma need no z axis. silly talk!
19:16 <Ady-Lucifer> I want to climb hills and such!
19:16 <epsy> that's 2d, as long as nothing goes under you
19:17 <sinewav> wait until the TR2N game for hills
19:17 <epsy> and players that do not die
19:18  * BabyBug thinks the devs are far too closed minded
19:18 <epsy> we are not
19:18 <epsy> we have a project, and we aren't going to be doing things just because it sounds cool
19:19 <epsy> there are 3D Worm games out there, so if you want that, grab it
19:20 <sinewav> don't confuse "closed minded" with "focused" ;-)
19:23  * BabyBug isn't confusing them x)
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19:24 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: why do you even care :P, you said you were going to quit sometime :P
19:24 <Lizmatic> babybug isnt gonna quit <3
19:24 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, I don't care i'm just bored =)
19:25 <ct|kyle> Lizmatic: make BabyBug have another kid :P
19:25 <Lizmatic> I'll give her mine, haha
19:25 <BabyBug> ...
19:26 <Lizmatic> xD
19:27 <BabyBug> </3 Lizmatic
19:27 <luke-jr> wee
19:27  * ct|kyle cuddles Lizmatic
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19:27  * luke-jr just rolled out an upgrade for his hosted customers to easier allow multiple Arma services
19:28 <BabyBug> luke-jr, how many "customers" do you actually have? :P
19:28  * sinewav is a customer
19:28  * Lizmatic cries at BabyBug
19:28 <BabyBug> Nuuu don't cry Lizmatic =( *smooch*
19:29 <luke-jr> sinewav: u see? ☺
19:29 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I'd have to count, not too many.
19:29 <sinewav> not yet...
19:29 <luke-jr> sinewav: login without a /bla
19:29 <luke-jr> /bla forces that service
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19:31 <Lizmatic> sagelawddd
19:32 <Ady-Lucifer> Lucifer, how much per month?
19:32 <Ady-Lucifer> ups
19:32 <Ady-Lucifer> luke-jr,
19:33 <luke-jr> Ady-Lucifer: ?
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19:34 <luke-jr> current prices are at http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/ (on special, too!)
19:34 <luke-jr> I've been pondering moving to a bandwidth-based plan though.
19:34 <luke-jr> or at least offering one
19:35 <luke-jr> in which case, I want to make it as easy as possible and automated for anyone to setup any number of servers ☺
19:36 <luke-jr> but it will only be worth putting the work into it if I get more customers :/
19:36 <BabyBug> luke-jr, you do website design aswell?
19:36 <luke-jr> cuz I'll need to automate deposits, shutdown-on-0-balance, etc
19:36 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I can.
19:37 <luke-jr> but I'd recommend someone else for actual design
19:37 <luke-jr> my designs tend to be very simple ☺
19:37 <BabyBug> luke-jr, Got a portfolio? or just anything you'd done?
19:37 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/ ? :þ
19:37 <BabyBug> Hrmm..someone needs to work on a sales pitch xD
19:37 <luke-jr> <.<
19:37 <BabyBug> who would you recommend?
19:38 <luke-jr> not sure :o
19:38 <BabyBug> ><
19:38 <luke-jr> the problem is most designers try to implement too
19:38 <luke-jr> and do a crappy job at implementing
19:38 <BabyBug> implement?
19:38 <luke-jr> making it HTML/CSS/etc
19:39 <BabyBug> oo
19:39 <luke-jr> implementation, I can definately do good :þ
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19:40 <luke-jr> I just need a design to implement.
19:40 <luke-jr> btw, did you hear they got an organic port of Linux booting on a potato?
19:40 <luke-jr> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/12/linux-on-a-potato.html
19:41 <epsy> yeah, it's the same guys that made it work on a thunderstorm
19:41 <luke-jr> epsy: omfg rly⁈
19:41 <epsy> yeah, but the uptimes sucked
19:41 <luke-jr> lol
19:42 <luke-jr> hmm
19:42  * luke-jr ponders <.<
19:42 <epsy> haha luke :D
19:43 <luke-jr> would anyone kill me if I added a major feature to Arma and didn't release the code? XD
19:43 <epsy> as long as you don't release the binary it's legally fine
19:43  * luke-jr is thinking AJAX client
19:43 <luke-jr> allow people to play in their browser on servers I host :o
19:44 <luke-jr> hrm
19:44 <luke-jr> I don't think it would justify the time put into it
19:45 <BabyBug> you would what..have a whole 5 users? =P
19:45 <epsy> I think that's locking in to bad technologies
19:45 <luke-jr> lol epsy
19:45 <luke-jr> AJAX is here to stay
19:45 <epsy> HTTP is too slow for that
19:45 <epsy> it is, but networked AJAX arcade games are probably not going to work out well
19:46 <luke-jr> yeah
19:46 <luke-jr> maybe Java
19:46 <luke-jr> but that'd be even more work
19:46 <epsy> but remember that almost every computer out there can run java
19:46 <luke-jr> that's why I said maybe Java
19:46 <luke-jr> :þ
19:47 <ct|kyle> java sucks
19:47 <epsy> and by computer I mean everything that has a process unit
19:47 <epsy> but java sux :(
19:47 <luke-jr> ActiveX!
19:47 <ct|kyle> lol
19:47  * luke-jr runs
19:47 <epsy> luke-jr, for that one you will be killed
19:47 <ct|kyle> python :P
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19:47 <luke-jr> epsy: gotta catch me first
19:48 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: pointless, Python can't run in a browser
19:48 <epsy> ]catch me your owner
19:48 <luke-jr> btw, did you hear Google reinvented ActiveX for Chrome
19:48 <epsy> wtf does that even mean?
19:48 <luke-jr> they basically did the same thing and called it something else
19:48 <luke-jr> now they're pushing it like it's the hot new thing
19:48 <luke-jr> Native Browsing or something along those lines
19:48 <epsy> like, wtf?
19:48 <luke-jr> webpages are EXEs
19:49 <epsy> how are they going to make it work on osx and linux?
19:49 <epsy> moreover, how aren't they going to be sued by microsoft?
19:49 <luke-jr> who cares?
19:49 <epsy> me?
19:49 <luke-jr> Google doesn't care about OSX and Linux
19:50 <luke-jr> http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/
19:50 <luke-jr> apparently it does support Linux and Mac
19:50 <luke-jr> wtf
19:51 <epsy> their quake demo will be obsoleted :P
19:52 <epsy> luke-jr, it's python
19:52 <luke-jr> epsy: ⁇?
19:52 <epsy> http://nativeclient.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/nacl/googleclient/native_client/documentation/getting_started.html
19:52 <luke-jr> you mean there's python scripts
19:53 <luke-jr> irrelevant
19:53 <epsy> I guess their stuff are python scripts
19:53 <luke-jr> test stuff*
19:55 <epsy> that stuff looks nice anyway
19:56  * luke-jr burps at epsy
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20:03 <Lizmatic> disconnectwtf00k
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20:07 <epsy> zmanuel, r950 introduced that AMDEP error
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20:24 <SageLord-uni> one exam today down... one more to go
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20:37 <epsy> :)
20:39 <SageLord-uni> xP
20:40 <Ady-Lucifer> Vista
20:40 <Lizmatic> <Mac!
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20:40 <epsy> OS/2
20:40 <Ady-Lucifer> <ms-dos
20:40 <Ady-Lucifer> o.O
20:41 <ct|kyle> Ady-Lucifer: http://www.snotr.com/video/1938 <<vista
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20:42 <SageLord-uni> o:
20:42 <SageLord-uni> mac?
20:42 <SageLord-uni> hmm... no wonder...
20:42 <Lizmatic> fuck you sage
20:42 <Lizmatic> :<
20:43 <SageLord-uni> ;)
20:43 <Ady-Lucifer> hahaha ct|kyle
20:43 <Ady-Lucifer> CeMeNT
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20:50 <epsy> blaaah
20:50 <SageLord-uni> hrm?
20:50 <epsy> stupid autohell :((
20:50 <SageLord-uni> autohell?  that doesn't sound good at all
20:51 <SageLord-uni> usually people like to think they have a chance somewhere else
20:51 <epsy> well there's no way Cmakes makes it into .2.8
20:52 <SageLord-uni> that doesn't sound good...
20:52 <SageLord-uni> what are Cmakes again?
20:52 <SageLord-uni> just to... ya know, refresh my memory
20:52 <epsy> so there's no chances to use anything but autotools which are .. uhm .. ????
20:53 <epsy> cmake does everything but what GNU make does
20:53 <SageLord-uni> oh yea... that...
20:54 <luke-jr> #armaconfig POLYGONAL_SHAPE_USED_EVER
20:54 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
20:54 <epsy> basically, it does everything needed to the point of producing Makefiles/iCode project/other files
20:54 <epsy> err
20:54 <epsy> xcode
20:55 <luke-jr> …
20:55 <luke-jr> #armaconfig CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE
20:55 <armabot> luke-jr: CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE: Rate of cycle speed approaching the value of CYCLE_SPEED from above (default: 0.1) || CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE differs from its default? (default: 3)
20:56 <luke-jr> is that one missing in trunk?
20:56 <luke-jr> O.o
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21:01 <Lizmatic> lol
21:01 <Lizmatic> o/
21:03 <BabyBug> \o
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21:16 <cusco> bling
21:16 <epsy> b&w
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21:22 <K-Yo> epsy, can we get a new line on a PLAYER_MESSAGE?
21:22 <epsy> perhaps \n ?
21:22 <K-Yo> doesn't work
21:23 <epsy> give me an urxvt then
21:23 <K-Yo> urvxt?
21:23 <K-Yo> urxvt?
21:24 <K-Yo> .g urxvt
21:24 <tronner> K-Yo: http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/rxvt-unicode.html - rxvt-unicode
21:26 <epsy> did you try using quotes?
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21:34 <epsy> K-Yo?
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21:40 <K-Yo> epsy, quotes?
21:41 <K-Yo> you mean player_message "blah blah\nhehehe" ?
21:42 <K-Yo> epsy, in that case, it still does not work
21:43 <epsy> mind if quotes are forced?
21:44 <epsy> er, more like PLAYER_MESSAGE thatotherdude "this is a line\nthis is a new line!"
21:44 <luke-jr> fail
21:47 <K-Yo> indeed
21:47 <epsy> and does it work like this?
21:49 <K-Yo> epsy, http://crazy-tronners.com/screenshots/
21:49 <K-Yo> epsy, http://crazy-tronners.com/screenshots/screenshot_178.png
21:50 <epsy> well, it's in for my next commit, but quotes will be forced
21:50 <K-Yo> means without quotes it won't work?
21:50 <epsy> will cut at first word
21:50 <K-Yo> okay
21:50 <K-Yo> we'll have to change our parsers then :P
21:51 <epsy> I guess this isn't much of a problem since the main user of these are logparsers
21:51 <K-Yo> yeah
21:51 <epsy> well, don't you have _one_ call to PM a player?
21:52 <K-Yo> nope
21:52 <epsy> bad bad bad
21:52 <epsy> do it!
21:52 <K-Yo> we also have all the /cmd
21:52 <K-Yo> hmm
21:52 <K-Yo> their all too different
21:53 <K-Yo> that's to put in the looong todo list :P
21:53 <epsy> where is "clean it up" in the todo list?
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21:54 <K-Yo> hmmmm, more or less in everyline :P
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21:54 <BabyBug> Flex!!
21:55 <Lizmatic> no
21:55 <Lizmatic> !!!!
21:55 <Lizmatic> LOL
21:55 <BabyBug> ROFL
21:55 <epsy> K-Yo, holy shit.. :|
21:55 <Flex> what?
21:56 <BabyBug> Nevermind :)
21:56 <Flex> no.. tell me
21:56 <BabyBug> No ><
21:56 <Lizmatic> haha
21:56 <Lizmatic> :x
21:56  * Lizmatic coughs
21:56 <Flex> lol, wth come on
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21:57 <Flex> Lizmatic, hey you.. what!?!
21:57 <Lizmatic> I didn't do nothing
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21:57 <BabyBug> =)
21:57 <SageLord-uni> O_o
21:58 <epsy> so you actually did somehting!
21:58 <Flex> BabyBug, if you don't tell me.. i'm never going to speak to you again!
21:58 <BabyBug> Flex, about time =)
21:58 <Lizmatic> pwned
21:59 <SageLord-uni> haha
22:00 <SageLord-uni> i have no idea who babybug is, but i like him/her
22:00 <BabyBug> her =)
22:00 <SageLord-uni> haha
22:01 <Lizmatic> she's my online lesbian lover..
22:01 <SageLord-uni> awesome, i'm loving irc more and more
22:01 <BabyBug> =D
22:01 <SageLord-uni> haha
22:01  * Lizmatic lold
22:01 <Flex> pff, about time? that's what i always wanted..
22:02 <Ady-Lucifer> i'm lesbian too!
22:02 <epsy> with ady-pussyfer?
22:02 <Ady-Lucifer> can i join the party? :)
22:02 <Flex> if you bring your mother
22:02 <Ady-Lucifer> LOL
22:02 <SageLord-uni> lol
22:03 <SageLord-uni> whew, should not laugh so loud at the library...
22:03 <SageLord-uni> :s
22:04 <Ady-Lucifer> maybe i should bring my grandma too
22:04 <SageLord-uni> hmm, i was about to make a joke in poor taste...  took all of my willpower to stop it
22:05 <Ady-Lucifer> :O
22:05 <epsy> hmm
22:06 <SageLord-uni> </conversation>
22:06 <Lizmatic> ady, you're not a lesbian, you're just gay
22:06 <epsy> ah, kewl, players in café
22:06 <epsy> gotta grab some shots
22:08 <Ady-Lucifer> Lizmatic, i'm lesbian, i like girls
22:09 <Monkey_arma> Ady-Lucifer http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Organised_Matches
22:09 <Ady-Lucifer> Monkey_arma, i've seen that just dont get whats it all about
22:10 <Ady-Lucifer> is it like playing arma on café just that at prearranged  times?
22:10 <Monkey_arma> Yeh it's a tough one. I thought for while then realised it was about matches....that are organised. I read the introduction and it said that they are regular. I deduced from this that they are ....regular, organised matches
22:11 <Ady-Lucifer> Interesting, more than that i'd  like to know if the community would like to make another international competition like 2 years ago, in which a team is a country
22:11 <Monkey_arma> There is also sagelord's idea
22:11 <Monkey_arma> which is:
22:12 <Monkey_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Competition_Hub
22:12 <Monkey_arma> The top one in that
22:12 <Monkey_arma> if you want to edit the wiki, btw, the answer to the question it will ask you, about what colour the cycle is, is "red"
22:12 <Ady-Lucifer> its basically another ladle
22:13 <Ady-Lucifer> yeah i've heard about :)
22:13 <Monkey_arma> its a ladle but with mixed teams
22:13 <SageLord-uni> ady :)
22:13 <Ady-Lucifer> hi
22:13 <SageLord-uni> S:
22:14 <Monkey_arma> and signups have a deadline that is earlier
22:16 <Ady-Lucifer> i'm not much into tournaments :S
22:16 <SageLord-uni> ):
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22:19 <TaZ_> Hi
22:19 <SageLord-uni> high five for mibbit users
22:19  * TaZ_ high fives SageLord-uni
22:19 <SageLord-uni> :D
22:19 <TaZ_> :)
22:19  * SageLord-uni high fives TaZ_ 
22:19 <Ady-Lucifer> SageLord, what are you studyin
22:20 <TaZ_> Excuse me, Lucifer.
22:20 <SageLord-uni> electrical engineering
22:20 <TaZ_> Me too!
22:20 <SageLord-uni> have a test in t-minus 1 hour 40 minutes, over computer programming (C, Fortran, C++)
22:20 <SageLord-uni> :/
22:20 <Ady-Lucifer> :)
22:20 <luke-jr> ∴∴∴∴
22:20 <TaZ_> C sucks
22:20 <Ady-Lucifer> thats easy lol!
22:20 <SageLord-uni> pfft
22:20 <SageLord-uni> C is easy
22:20 <luke-jr> C++ sucks
22:20 <TaZ_> What year are you?
22:20 <SageLord-uni> C++ sucks
22:20 <TaZ_> pssh, C++ is easier than C noobs
22:20 <Ady-Lucifer> cout << "LOL" <<endl;
22:21 <SageLord-uni> in my junior
22:21 <SageLord-uni> year
22:21 <luke-jr> puts("LOL")
22:21 <luke-jr> ;
22:21 <SageLord-uni> haha
22:21 <TaZ_> shut up luke-jr
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22:21 <luke-jr> so f u Ady-Lucifer
22:21 <luke-jr> :þ
22:21 <Ady-Lucifer> luke-jr, ?
22:21 <SageLord-uni> the C++ portion is only 5%
22:21 <SageLord-uni> so i barely studied it
22:21 <TaZ_> Same here too SageLord-uni
22:21 <SageLord-uni> cool taz
22:21 <TaZ_> Next year..Senior Project :D
22:21 <luke-jr> actually, C++ is getting tempting these days
22:22 <SageLord-uni> haha yea
22:22 <luke-jr> especially the namespace stuff
22:22 <SageLord-uni> gonna be cool :)
22:22 <TaZ_> yep :)
22:22 <epsy> you mean php?
22:22 <SageLord-uni> hrm, i don't know much about C++
22:22 <Ady-Lucifer> windoze.bat << ''format c:\''
22:22 <SageLord-uni> i'm taking a full C++ class next semester i think
22:22 <TaZ_> ah
22:22 <luke-jr> Ady-Lucifer is hereby retarded!
22:22 <SageLord-uni> oop ftw?  hopefully?
22:22 <TaZ_> Ady-Lucifer = Lucifer?
22:23 <SageLord-uni> i need to learn how tron works so i can do stuff with it :p
22:23 <Ady-Lucifer> luke-jr, O, rly?
22:23 <SageLord-uni> TaZ_: nope
22:23 <luke-jr> Lucifer = Lucifer
22:23 <TaZ_> Same here Sagelord-uni, but luke-jr won't teach me.
22:23 <Ady-Lucifer> Ady-Lucifer != Lucifer
22:23 <luke-jr> …
22:23 <luke-jr> Armagetron is C++
22:23 <TaZ_> I thought so, you didn't seem like a douche like lucifer.
22:23 <luke-jr> #svn
22:23 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
22:24 <SageLord-uni> yea i was about to say, isn't there somewhere that you can read on it
22:24 <luke-jr> that's how; go learn
22:24 <TaZ_> I only know C though...
22:24 <luke-jr> TaZ_: so use C
22:24 <TaZ_> Ok
22:24 <luke-jr> C++ is backward compatible mostly
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22:24 <SageLord-uni> 15:20	TaZ_	pssh, C++ is easier than C noobs
22:24 <luke-jr> the resource system is pretty much C
22:24 <SageLord-uni> O_o
22:24 <epsy> huh?
22:24 <TaZ_> :D
22:24 <luke-jr> heh
22:24 <TaZ_> But for real..C++ is easier...
22:25 <luke-jr> no
22:25 <luke-jr> C is easier for simple stuff
22:25 <TaZ_> pssh
22:25 <luke-jr> C++ is easier for inherently OO stuff
22:25 <SageLord-uni> linked lists ftw?
22:25 <SageLord-uni> :/
22:25 <TaZ_> =D
22:25 <luke-jr> that is one thing I dislike about C
22:25 <luke-jr> it has no primitives for lists or hashes
22:26 <TaZ_> Eh, I'm going to learn  Java next year.
22:26 <SageLord-uni> i don't really have much to compare C to
22:26 <luke-jr> Java sucks
22:26 <TaZ_> lol
22:26 <SageLord-uni> did a little java in hs
22:26 <TaZ_> Worth learning though
22:26 <SageLord-uni> but other than that, i've done matlab and that's it
22:26 <SageLord-uni> well other than C obviously
22:26 <TaZ_> ah
22:27 <luke-jr> hey
22:27 <TaZ_> what
22:27 <luke-jr> I just thought of a nice little idea for C
22:27 <luke-jr> that woudl make it a little better
22:27 <luke-jr> using the stack for a list XD
22:27 <epsy> what does better mean? :P
22:27 <luke-jr> it would need to be the last thing in the scope, and couldn't be changed inside new scopes
22:27 <luke-jr> epsy: do you know what the stack is?
22:28 <epsy> bt?
22:28 <luke-jr> …
22:28 <luke-jr> lol
22:28 <luke-jr> ok
22:28 <luke-jr> so you have a function
22:28 <luke-jr> what does this line do:
22:28 <luke-jr> int i;
22:28 <Ady-Lucifer> LOL
22:28 <TaZ_> yea
22:28 <luke-jr> actually, better example:
22:28 <luke-jr> char buf[256];
22:28 <Ady-Lucifer> it charges a buffalo at 256 pounds
22:29 <luke-jr> /kick Ady-Lucifer
22:29 <luke-jr> epsy: so? what does that do? :þ
22:29 <TaZ_> lolz
22:29 <SageLord-uni> hha
22:29 <epsy> well, that gives enough memory for putting 256 latin9 characters in buf
22:29 <luke-jr> epsy: memory where?
22:30 <epsy> in the freaking ram?!
22:30 <luke-jr> ROFL
22:30 <TaZ_> lol
22:30 <luke-jr> it's not malloc'd
22:30 <SageLord-uni> hahaha
22:31 <luke-jr> each thread has what is called a stack
22:31 <luke-jr> which is basically a chunk of memory
22:31  * SageLord-uni is looking at a malloc/calloc powerpoint slide now
22:31 <luke-jr> that holds info about what functions are running
22:31 <TaZ_> haha
22:31 <luke-jr> inside what, etc
22:31 <epsy> ah, scopes?
22:31 <luke-jr> it also holds scoped variables
22:31 <SageLord-uni> hmm, i'm sleepy
22:32 <SageLord-uni> maybe i'll sleep through my exam
22:32 <TaZ_> SageLord-uni, join my clan.
22:32 <SageLord-uni> that sounds nice
22:32 <TaZ_> xD
22:32 <SageLord-uni> lol?
22:32 <SageLord-uni> what clan
22:32 <luke-jr> so bascially, 'char buf[256];' moves the stack pointer back 256 bytes, and the compiler refers to that position of the stack as 'buf'
22:32 <fonkay> Lucifer: Me being icky, or you thinking I am?
22:32 <TaZ_> VcL
22:32 <SageLord-uni> i'm in a clan already, but just curious what clan
22:32 <SageLord-uni> ah
22:32 <luke-jr> TaZ_: wtf, you have a server with me? :þ
22:32 <epsy> @tea
22:32 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): akira (akira@forums), BabyBug, DaJollyLlama, Desolate (Desolate@forums), epsy¦×¦, Flex, hoop (hoop@forums), ¦×¦ Hoax, ¦×¦ Lizmatic
22:32 <SageLord-uni> O:
22:33 <SageLord-uni> @tea
22:33 <teabot> SageLord-uni: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): akira (akira@forums), BabyBug, DaJollyLlama, Desolate (Desolate@forums), epsy¦×¦, Flex, hoop (hoop@forums), MaZuffeR, ¦×¦ Hoax, ¦×¦ Lizmatic
22:33 <SageLord-uni> cool :)
22:33 <luke-jr> liar
22:33 <SageLord-uni> what does that do, find the server with the most people on irc?
22:33 <luke-jr> no
22:33 <epsy> need moar players for a nice split screenshot
22:33 <luke-jr> it's tea
22:33 <SageLord-uni> huh?
22:33 <luke-jr> #si -v lightfoot
22:33 <epsy> which is there for fortress café, obviousely
22:33 <armabot> luke-jr: Lightfoot Hosting Demo Server (UK) ( running 0.2.8_alpha20080122 unix dedicated, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/demo.php, Description: “Web control panel password is 'demo'“, Players (0/4):
22:34 <TaZ_> yea luk
22:34 <TaZ_> luke-jr
22:34 <SageLord-uni> taz, do you play fortress?
22:34 <TaZ_> Yes
22:34 <SageLord-uni> you should sign up for fortress brawl
22:34 <SageLord-uni> its a new tournament
22:34  * luke-jr builds a fortress on TaZ_'s chinny chin chin
22:34 <TaZ_> Ilinky link?
22:34 <TaZ_> :>
22:34 <luke-jr> TaZ_: your clan's server uses a lot of bandwidth
22:35 <SageLord-uni> http://twisted-rats.co.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=47
22:35 <TaZ_> I play all servers though
22:35 <luke-jr> 312 MB in the past day or two
22:35 <SageLord-uni> actually
22:35 <SageLord-uni> http://twisted-rats.co.cc/brawl
22:35 <SageLord-uni> is a better link
22:35 <TaZ_> ooo, you're in that clan..
22:35 <TaZ_> :D
22:35 <SageLord-uni> yup yup
22:35 <luke-jr> SageLord-uni: Twisted Rats should reactivate their servers :x
22:35 <SageLord-uni> hmm?
22:35 <luke-jr> appa and xfroggy got servers w/ me
22:35 <luke-jr> then discontinued them
22:35 <luke-jr> :/
22:35 <SageLord-uni> how much does it cost
22:36 <TaZ_> :/
22:36 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/
22:36 <luke-jr> tho I am considering a bandwidth-based plan
22:37 <TaZ_> Thanks SageLord-uni
22:37 <SageLord-uni> hmm
22:37 <SageLord-uni> i might look into that, idk if i have the funds to spend on a server per month like that
22:37 <SageLord-uni> i'll talk to durka/goody to see if they might want to go halvsies/thirdsies
22:37 <SageLord-uni> we'll see
22:38 <TaZ_> And btw luke-jr, Pinktomatos loved my server idea.
22:38 <SageLord-uni> hmm, taz?
22:38 <TaZ_> I was saying thanks for the link
22:39 <SageLord-uni> oh np, hopefully thanks for signing up :P
22:39 <TaZ_> :P
22:39 <SageLord-uni> eventually at least :)
22:39 <SageLord-uni> i don't know the ins and outs of servers and how to run them yet
22:39 <SageLord-uni> nor do i know admin commands and such and such etc
22:39 <SageLord-uni> i'll do some reading this christmas
22:40 <TaZ_> The wiki tells you everything
22:40 <luke-jr> SageLord-uni: yeah, part of why I'm thinking about a bandwidth-based plan
22:40 <SageLord-uni> yes, but i haven't read it
22:40 <luke-jr> so it'd be maybe $10 up front setup cost, and after that you deposit however much you want
22:40 <SageLord-uni> hmm all right
22:41 <luke-jr> and if the balance goes to 0 it turns off the server
22:41 <SageLord-uni> did you figure out what happened to your server for the ladle?
22:41 <luke-jr> dunno, the config I guess
22:41 <luke-jr> happened to other servers w/ the same config I heard
22:41 <luke-jr> and stuff is fine w/ other servers I host
22:41 <SageLord-uni> hmm interesting
22:41 <SageLord-uni> all right
22:42 <luke-jr> Durka should find the bug his config triggers :þ
22:42 <SageLord-uni> like ww?
22:42 <luke-jr> dunno, was it WW?
22:42 <SageLord-uni> hmm, all right
22:42 <luke-jr> I really didn't do anything with the Ladle
22:42 <SageLord-uni> haha, yea i guess :p
22:42 <SageLord-uni> maybe, not sure
22:42 <luke-jr> Durka just asked me last minute to use the server
22:42 <luke-jr> XD
22:46 <SageLord-uni> TaZ_: does vcl have its own forum?
22:46 <TaZ_> Yes
22:46 <TaZ_> vclclan.com
22:47 <TaZ_> Please register. :)
22:47 <SageLord-uni> are there several fortress players in your clan?
22:47 <SageLord-uni> of course :)
22:48  * luke-jr never understood the obsession with registrations for forums
22:50 <SageLord-uni> hmm
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22:59 <luke-jr> hm, possible problem if I move to a metered solution :o
23:00 <luke-jr> people are less apt to volunteer their servers for events like the Ladle and such
23:00 <SageLord-uni> yea thats true
23:00 <SageLord-uni> i'm ready to get this exam over with
23:00 <luke-jr> maybe I should price it so I can do stuff like "Ladle sponsors get $5 credit"
23:00 <SageLord-uni> then i can do absolutely nothing
23:01 <luke-jr> or smth
23:01 <SageLord-uni> 16:00	luke-jr	people are less apt to volunteer their servers for events like the Ladle and such
23:01 <SageLord-uni> well
23:01 <SageLord-uni> it depends i think
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23:01 <SageLord-uni> if their server isn't well known, and they are paying by bandwidth
23:01 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: what do you think
23:01 <SageLord-uni> they might JUST use it for ladles and competitions
23:01 <SageLord-uni> that way they pay less than normal costs
23:02 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: is pricing by bandwidth a threat to events like the Ladle?
23:02 <luke-jr> SageLord-uni: true
23:02 <SageLord-uni> it could be a good way to get more servers for competitions
23:02 <SageLord-uni> but in that way, you wouldn't make as much money lol
23:02 <luke-jr> :/
23:02 <BabyBug> \o/
23:02 <luke-jr> well, I suppose worst case I can just up my prices a little and offer incentives to hosting events
23:02 <SageLord-uni> :)
23:03 <luke-jr> but then I need to define a criteria for what qualifies as an event
23:03 <luke-jr> or I'll get "clan war!" events all the time
23:03 <SageLord-uni> haha
23:03 <TaZ_> lol
23:03 <SageLord-uni> i think events are pretty standard
23:03 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: are you removing completely the the current player model?
23:03 <luke-jr> maybe they need to be open to all players, not just a set group(s)
23:03 <SageLord-uni> things that take a while to organize, i don't think you should include clan wars in your model
23:03 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: not planning to, no
23:03 <SageLord-uni> but idk
23:04 <luke-jr> I really probably shouldn't spend any more time on the bandwidth model until I hear it will improve business.
23:04 <PinkTomato> maybe you could do sponser a server for events
23:04 <SageLord-uni> haha
23:04 <luke-jr> I can't afford to waste time on stuff that won't bring in anything
23:04 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: ?
23:05 <PinkTomato> Like a 1-2 day server, for like $5 for the event
23:05 <luke-jr> well, the bandwidth-based stuff would ideally allow customers to have any number of servers and slots
23:05 <SageLord-uni> don't you think $5 is too steep of a price for that?
23:05 <PinkTomato> actualyl yeah probably :)
23:05 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: once, I had AFL-specific packages
23:06 <PinkTomato> well maybe you could inclue 1/2 week before
23:06 <luke-jr> $16 got the smallest AFL package
23:06 <PinkTomato> and then the purchaser could use it for practice
23:06 <luke-jr> including all home games and 5 practice games
23:06 <SageLord-uni> hmm
23:06 <luke-jr> I get the feeling I just need to reduce my prices somehow
23:06 <TaZ_> :/
23:06 <luke-jr> the numbers look too big
23:07 <luke-jr> maybe instead of a $10 setup fee, $5 setup + $1 setup per server
23:07 <luke-jr> hmm
23:08 <PinkTomato> non-peak time discount?
23:08 <luke-jr> well, that doesn't make the numbers smaller
23:09 <luke-jr> 2 cents per MB is pretty small
23:09 <luke-jr> leaving the setup fee the big #
23:09 <PinkTomato> personally though, the possibly variance in fee, it would scare me to recieve a large bill
23:10 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: it would be strictly pre-pay
23:10 <luke-jr> when they hit $0 balance, the server shuts off
23:10 <luke-jr> until a deposit is made
23:10 <luke-jr> so nobody would ever get a large bill :þ
23:10 <PinkTomato> ah a nice way of doing it :)
23:10 <luke-jr> and it would make donation-based efforts easier
23:10 <luke-jr> I could include a PayPal Donate button that made deposits directly
23:11 <SageLord-uni> thats cool
23:11 <SageLord-uni> for people that may want to donate for the server?
23:11 <luke-jr> yeah
23:12 <SageLord-uni> thats a good idea
23:12 <luke-jr> would probably have a hourly cronjob check balances
23:12 <luke-jr> if under $5 left, send an email and (optionally) announce in the server an estimated shutdown time
23:12 <luke-jr> if under $1 left, stop the server until a deposit is made
23:12 <luke-jr> (can't wait for flat $0 easily)
23:13 <luke-jr> actually, I could *probably* setup an iptables rule at the $1 marker, but that'd be pretty complex and not disconnect people gracefully
23:16 <luke-jr> hm
23:16 <luke-jr> aabeta going intermittant for maintenance!
23:17 <luke-jr> :þ
23:17 <PinkTomato> pay by hour?
23:18 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: eh?
23:18 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: no, it would just check balances every hour
23:18 <luke-jr> see which servers were low, which are getting turned off
23:18 <PinkTomato> no i mean a pay per hour server,
23:18 <luke-jr> O.o
23:18 <PinkTomato> a bit more expensive than other packages
23:18 <SageLord-uni> all right guys gotta go take my test, cya later
23:18 <luke-jr> seems pointless
23:18 <TaZ_> Good Luck
23:18 <TaZ_> Cya
23:18 <PinkTomato> nope
23:18 <SageLord-uni> thanks :)
23:19 <PinkTomato> I'm pretty sure some clans might want a private server for practice
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23:19 <PinkTomato> but generally not online 24/7
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23:19 <PinkTomato> it's a new market not being done and your current packages don't suit it
23:20 <luke-jr> per-MB would be close enough
23:21 <PinkTomato> per-MB is pretty techy you should specify what that is == per hour
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23:29 <epsy> prepaid hosting ftw :P
23:29 <PinkTomato> that's true :)
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23:29 <PinkTomato> instant money and people like it
23:29 <luke-jr> epsy: ?
23:29 <luke-jr> [16:20:14] <luke-jr> per-MB would be close enough
23:29 <luke-jr> that was the last I saw
23:30 <PinkTomato> you didn't miss anything
23:30 <PinkTomato> :)
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23:36  * BabyBug pokes the channel
23:36 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@2002:48c4:141a:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d] has joined #armagetron
23:36 <epsy> [23:32] <+epsy>: http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/arma-team/screenshot_1091.png
23:36 <epsy> [23:32] <+epsy>: http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/arma-team/screenshot_1091-banner.png
23:36 <epsy> BabyBug: find the two differences :O
23:37 <TaZ_> epsy: lol
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23:37 <TaZ_> espy, did you see the youtube link I sent you
23:37 <TaZ_> epsy*
23:37 <epsy> what link?
23:37 <BabyBug> epsy, there's no gap in the wall and....
23:37 <TaZ_> argh
23:37 <TaZ_> ok hold on
23:38 <BabyBug> There's the text "Play Fortress"
23:38 <BabyBug> :)
23:38 <epsy> TaZ_, the flying bats? that wasn't on youtube :)
23:38 <epsy> BabyBug, No, not quite right
23:38 <BabyBug> was the first one right?
23:38 <TaZ_> Oh yea, Vimeo
23:38 <TaZ_> My fac service.
23:38 <TaZ_> It wasn't bats lol
23:38 <TaZ_> It  was people
23:39 <epsy> BabyBug, yes
23:39 <epsy> TaZ_, yeah, batpeoples
23:39 <TaZ_> xD
23:39 <TaZ_> I wanna try that one day.
23:39 <TaZ_> No joke.
23:39 <epsy> scary :S
23:39 <BabyBug> i can't see any non-obvious second difference
23:39 <epsy> there is one
23:40 <BabyBug> maybe, but i can't see it
23:40 <epsy> yeah
23:41 <epsy> hint: turn your head
23:42 <BabyBug> i did turn my head...
23:42 <TaZ_> ...lol
23:42 <TaZ_> epsy
23:43 <TaZ_> Oh, I see it!
23:44 <epsy> TaZ_, what is it?
23:44 <TaZ_> ..No, I was lying.
23:44 <epsy> haha
23:44 <epsy> try to draw the frame with your fingers if that helps
23:45 <epsy> actually, you might even see a third difference
23:45 <TaZ_> oh lol
23:45 <TaZ_> There it is
23:45 <TaZ_> Someone got coredumped
23:45 <TaZ_> On the first one
23:45 <epsy> BabyBug found that about 5 minutes ago
23:45 <TaZ_> rofl
23:46 <BabyBug> ...
23:46 <TaZ_> I think he is messing with us BabyBug
23:46 <BabyBug> french people are smart enough to do that
23:46 <TaZ_> :D
23:47 <epsy> didn't see that blue wall? it's totally getting in the way!
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23:47 <TaZ_> ...
23:47 <TaZ_> :|
23:47 <BabyBug> <BabyBug> i can't see any non-obvious second difference
23:47 <BabyBug> that blue wall is obvious
23:47 <BabyBug> so i was right
23:47 <BabyBug> \o/
23:47 <TaZ_> Yea, Babybug did say that
23:47 <TaZ_> you fail epsy
23:48 <epsy> and now the third one?
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23:48 <BabyBug> the angle of the image doesn't count as non-obvious
23:48 <epsy> stop with the triple negations!
23:49 <BabyBug> no x)
23:49 <luke-jr> epsy: y u ignore me
23:49 <TaZ_> You're easy to ignore :o
23:49 <epsy> luke-jr, do I?
23:49 <epsy> BabyBug, well, have fun finding it :P
23:49 <luke-jr> [16:29:02] <epsy> prepaid hosting ftw :P
23:49 <luke-jr> [16:29:27] <luke-jr> epsy: ?
23:49 <luke-jr> [16:29:54] <luke-jr> [16:20:14] <luke-jr> per-MB would be close enough
23:49 <luke-jr> [16:29:57] <luke-jr> that was the last I saw
23:50 <epsy> just a random thought
23:50 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
23:50 <BabyBug> lol epsy when i first said i can't see a second difference =P
23:50 <epsy> good night
23:50 <luke-jr> epsy: bad night!
23:50 <luke-jr> no night!
23:50 <epsy> you too!
23:50 <luke-jr> bad epsy!
23:50 <TaZ_> nite epsy
23:50 <luke-jr> my night always bad
23:50 <epsy> sometimes bad here
23:50 <luke-jr> always bad here
23:50 <TaZ_> aww
23:51 <epsy> anyway, you should look into prepaid, I think some people may use it
23:51 <luke-jr> enough to be worth the coding involved?
23:51 <epsy> well, just facture the hours/minutes it's running
23:52 <epsy> well, it's worth a try I'd say
23:52 <luke-jr> maybe I should just send VcL the bill for the whole effin server
23:52 <luke-jr> their server uses more than all the others combined
23:52 <luke-jr> :o
23:53 <TaZ_> :(
23:53 <epsy> lol
23:53 <luke-jr> more bw *
23:53 <epsy> gn
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23:54 <luke-jr> caffinat0r: who r u
23:54 <caffinat0r> im mom's house
23:54 <luke-jr> wtf
23:54 <luke-jr> is that a player?
23:54 -!- caffinat0r [n=caffinat@c-76-28-133-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit]
23:55 <TaZ_> LOL!
23:55 <luke-jr> …
23:55 <TaZ_> You scared him
23:55 <luke-jr> crazy Washingtonians
23:55 -!- caffinat0r [n=caffinat@c-76-28-133-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
23:55 <luke-jr> omg
23:55 <luke-jr> its him again
23:55 <caffinat0r> whoops
23:55 <caffinat0r> sorry about that
23:55 <luke-jr> you'd better be
23:55 <TaZ_> Hey mom's house
23:55 <luke-jr> that cost me $50
23:55 <luke-jr> ☹
23:55 <caffinat0r> yeah i'm not too active in the tron community'
23:56 <TaZ_> luke-jr, calm yourself down son.
23:56 <luke-jr> TaZ_: f u n00b
23:56 <Ady-Lucifer> ...
23:56 <luke-jr> caffinat0r: want a server?
23:56 <TaZ_> pssh, At least I play tron.
23:56 <TaZ_> :o
23:56 <luke-jr> TaZ_: f u, I'll pwn u in tron anyday
23:56 <luke-jr> even if I have to TK you
23:56 <TaZ_> luke-jr: noob please
23:56 <BabyBug> luke-jr, stop harrasing them as they first walk in!! No wonder you have so few customers
23:56 <luke-jr> BabyBug: lol
23:56 <luke-jr> TaZ_ didn't just walk in
23:56 <TaZ_> luke-jr: I'll add you to my list of beaten noobs.
23:56 <luke-jr> and he's the only one I'm trying to harrass now
23:56 <BabyBug> luke-jr, i was referring to caffinat0r
23:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I didn't harrass him yet.
23:57 <caffinat0r> Sure, i'd love a server
23:57 <BabyBug> <luke-jr> caffinat0r: want a server?
23:57 <luke-jr> caffinat0r: sweet
23:57 <luke-jr> caffinat0r: how many slots?
23:57 <caffinat0r> I don't care
23:57 <TaZ_> oO
23:57 <caffinat0r> what do you want in return?
23:57 <caffinat0r> my soul or something?
23:57 <luke-jr> cool, I'll set you up with a 40-slot for $42/mo
23:57 <Ady-Lucifer> LOL
23:57 <TaZ_> ROFL
23:57 <luke-jr> <.<
23:57 <caffinat0r> i don't have any internet money sorry
23:58 <luke-jr> cash is OK too
23:58 <caffinat0r> i spent my last few $$$ on your mom
23:58 <luke-jr> as is gold
23:58 <Ady-Lucifer> use durkadollars
23:58 <TaZ_> :o
23:58 <luke-jr> durka has a currency now⁈
23:58 <caffinat0r> YOU'RE AFTER MY GOLD
23:58 <caffinat0r> AREN'T YOU?
23:58 <caffinat0r> YOU CAN'T HAVE MY GOLD IF I'M DEAD
23:58 <luke-jr> caffinat0r: 1.35 grams of gold/mo for 40-slot
23:58 <luke-jr> not too mcuh!
23:58 <PinkTomato> bloody hell gold is expensive
23:59 <TaZ_> ya
23:59  * luke-jr wonders how many people noticed he has prices in gold on his website
23:59 <PinkTomato> 1 gram!?
23:59 <caffinat0r> ok
23:59 <caffinat0r> I'll send you that gold then
23:59 <Flex> haha, wtf? luke-jr you're trading in gold?
23:59 <luke-jr> 1 gram gets like 25 slot
23:59 <TaZ_> lol, that is so ghetto.

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