IRCLogs for #armagetron in 2008-12-03 • ArmaNelgTron.tk

Log from 2008-12-03:
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01:40 <hyaloidus> hahuhahahhuhahahuha
01:44 <hyaloidus> always dead here :)
01:45 <dlh> you just joined
01:45 <noob13> hi
01:46 <hyaloidus> no, i already joined with a different nickname
01:46 -!- hyaloidus is now known as mike_hueon
01:47 <mike_hueon> ih noob, i remember you on the grid
01:47 <noob13> are you _the_ mike_hueon??
01:48 <mike_hueon> why the...???
01:49 <mike_hueon> i am
01:50 <mike_hueon> the un-understood drawer
01:51 <noob13> heh..
01:51 <noob13> is that your name on the grid also?
01:51 <mike_hueon> sometimes
01:51 <mike_hueon> i can be barbie, and termanitor
01:52 <noob13> i see, how does that make you feel?
01:53 <mike_hueon> just acting
01:53 <mike_hueon> just like in a movie
01:54 <noob13> i saw a movie once
01:54 <noob13> it was spectacular.
01:55 <mike_hueon> which one
01:55 <noob13> it was called tron
01:56 <mike_hueon> 1982?
01:56 <noob13> that exactly.
01:56 <noob13> 2:18 was nice
01:57 <mike_hueon> 2:18???
01:57 <mike_hueon> what's that?
01:58 <noob13> sry im pretty tired :P
01:58 <mike_hueon> np
01:59 <noob13> #fortune
02:00 <armabot> Random Fortune: QOTD: || "I tried buying a goat instead of a lawn tractor; had to return || it though. Couldn't figure out a way to connect the snow blower."
02:04 <mike_hueon> #fortune
02:04 <armabot> Random Fortune: It [being a Vulcan] means to adopt a philosophy, a way of life which is || logical and beneficial. We cannot disregard that philosophy merely for || personal gain, no matter how important that gain might be. || -- Spock, "Journey to Babel", stardate 3842.4
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07:51 <antric> hey, bougs
08:04 <MrBougo> ohai
08:04 <MrBougo> and bye too
08:04 <MrBougo> gotta go
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08:38 <epsy> blah
08:38 <epsy> guru3, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=200774#200774
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14:12 <epsy> z-man-work, is there a reason you show up as "Bazaarmagetron" ? heh
14:13 <z-man-work> Yeah, being too lazy log log out and back in :)
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14:22 <epsy> by the way, that discussion with mokey is going nowhere IMO, we're already talking about monkey's "features" for 0.3..
14:24 <freako5> So u want good bug reports for it?
14:24 <epsy> I want 0.2.8.3 out before 0.3.2, sipmply
14:26 <freako5> I understand that, but will 0.2.8.3 servers accept  0.3 clients?
14:26 <z-man-work> yes.
14:26 <z-man-work> and we always want good bug reports :)
14:27  * freako5 stil wonders, how can he make a good bug report from random game freezes ;)
14:28 <epsy> tell what you where doing, tell us when it happened, perhaps stdout logs, and most of all a recording
14:28 <epsy> were*
14:30 <freako5> I was playing the game/, It froze after loading the round start, /There is no other possibillity then rebooting the pc (because it causes the whole pc to crash /<-- only when playing arma) (happend about 5x last week)
14:31 <epsy> the whole pc to crash?
14:31 <freako5> (it's looks random/ but it mostly happens on fully crowded server/laggy servers)
14:31 <epsy> version, OS?
14:31 <freako5> 0.3-  Windows
14:31 <z-man-work> Doesn't matter :) Whole PC crashes -> Always blame the driver or hte OS.
14:31 <epsy> gfx card? drivers?
14:31 <freako5> 9600GTS
14:32 <epsy> is that nvidia? I don't have the mindreader set up correctly
14:32 <freako5> yeah thats nvidia (vsync off)
14:32 <epsy> well try to turn vsync on
14:33 <z-man-work> That would probably only slow the bug down.
14:33 <freako5> vsync on doesnt work on my pc... It-s unstable
14:33 <epsy> update the drivers
14:33 <freako5> refresh rate of my screen is 80 ,,, my fps is normally about 750+
14:34 <freako5> with vsync on its about 33
14:34 <freako5> (latest drivers)
14:34 <epsy> that's why you should use vsync instead of burning your screen
14:34 <freako5> I can only play with vsync on,, when I play local first
14:34 <freako5> Then the fps will be 80 all the time
14:34 <epsy> well, make sure the process table isn't too crowded
14:34 <epsy> you still didn't tell us the version
14:35 <freako5> gotta look. have like 12 installed versions on arma on my pc
14:35 <epsy> 0.3.0? the two years old version?
14:35 <freako5> 0.3 but not the oldest one
14:36 <epsy> z-man-work, also: when are we, and are we going to fully switch to bzr/lp ?
14:36 <freako5> beta.armagettronad.net would just open :)
14:37 <freako5> if*
14:37 <epsy> i doubt it would
14:37 <freako5> blah ur right
14:37 <epsy> yeah, it spells with one t
14:37 <z-man-work> epsy: we need a stable backend for releases. You can't properly tag in bzr.
14:38 <freako5> nah epsy. the site isnt loading
14:38 <z-man-work> So we're not going to drop svn any time soon, we may move it away from SF.
14:38 <freako5> De webpagina kan niet worden weergegeven  <--- The site can't be opened
14:38 <epsy> z-man-work, bzr tag?
14:38 <epsy> http://beta.armagetronad.net/ opens here
14:38 <z-man-work> Does that work?
14:38 <epsy> I *think* so
14:39 <epsy> check on that http-auth-server branch
14:39 <freako5> nope. the site isn't loading on my pc
14:39 <epsy> I should have tagged that beta I released few weeks ago
14:45 <freako5> not more knowledge then 0.3.x
14:55 <z-man-work> Cool, bzr tag works sweet
14:55 <z-man-work> tags even survive getting merged.
14:56 <epsy> eh, now it's svn which doesn't tag properly? :P
14:59 <z-man-work> It was luke who claims that svn is the only source control system handling tags correctly :)
15:00 <z-man-work> I always found the copy method kind of clumsy and error prone.
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15:13 <freako5> kyle. were going to choose in 18 minutes. ?
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15:14 <Durka> ct|kyle: oi
15:15 <ct|kyle> Durka: oi
15:15 <Durka> freako5: u here?
15:15 <Durka> madmax: ping?
15:15 <Durka> ct|kyle: lets do it now, no need to wait 15 min right?
15:15 <Durka> btw u see my new post
15:15 <freako5> yes
15:15 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=200784#200784
15:15 <freako5> im here :)
15:15 <Durka> can u guys read that first?
15:16 <madmax> Durka: pong
15:16 <Durka> madmax and freako5 u guys can be witnesses (along with the logs as well)
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15:16 <freako5> aha
15:16 <freako5> u added my server idea :)
15:16 <Durka> :P
15:16 <Durka> ct|kyle: u read it?
15:17  * madmax can be bought for an extremely high price
15:17 <Durka> oO
15:17  * freako5 for the same price
15:17 <freako5> what first servers or teams?
15:17 <Durka> ct|kyle is a slow reader
15:17 <ct|kyle> Durka: reading
15:17 <ct|kyle> :P
15:17 <freako5> ok people
15:17 <ct|kyle> ok
15:17 <freako5> Ill do the the random check
15:17 <Durka> is that fine?
15:18 <freako5> *Random Check!*
15:18 <Durka> no this is what we're going to do
15:18 <freako5> .random team 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
15:18 <Durka> kyle do a test of the two codes
15:18 <tronner> freako5: (random [<channel>]) -- Displays a random factoid (along with its key) from the database. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:18 <freako5> .oops
15:18 <ct|kyle> .randomteam 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
15:18 <tronner> ct|kyle: Team 1: 8, Team 2: 2, Team 3: 4, Team 4: 3, Team 5: 6, Team 6: 9, Team 7: 5, Team 8: 7, Team 9: 1,
15:18 <freako5> .randomteam 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
15:18 <tronner> freako5: Team 1: 1, Team 2: 3, Team 3: 2, Team 4: 8, Team 5: 9, Team 6: 7, Team 7: 6, Team 8: 4, Team 9: 5,
15:18 <Durka> ill do the randomteam code
15:18 <ct|kyle> .randserver2 a,b,c,d
15:18 <tronner> ct|kyle: Server 1: c, Server 2: b, Server 3: d, Server 4: a, Final Server: d, Third place Server: c
15:19 <Durka> ok now put in the correct servers
15:19 <Durka> ill do teams
15:19 <Durka> and test it
15:19 <Durka> its not official yet
15:19 <ct|kyle> do we have a second american server yet?
15:19 <Durka> .randomteam KoD,CT,NM,X,TR,WrD,NoT,DS,SP
15:19 <tronner> Durka: Team 1: SP, Team 2: WrD, Team 3: DS, Team 4: KoD, Team 5: TR, Team 6: CT, Team 7: X, Team 8: NoT, Team 9: NM,
15:20 <freako5> call it Luke-jr-s  or just
15:20 <Durka> yes
15:20 <Durka> its either luke-jr or republiks
15:20 <epsy> oooh there's a prooblem now
15:20 <freako5> or just American server2 :)
15:20 <freako5> .randomteam KoD,CT,NM,X,TR,WrD,NoT,DS,SP
15:20 <tronner> freako5: Team 1: WrD, Team 2: CT, Team 3: TR, Team 4: NM, Team 5: X, Team 6: DS, Team 7: NoT, Team 8: SP, Team 9: KoD,
15:20 <Durka> what now epsy ?
15:20 <ct|kyle> .randserver2 CT1,z-man,ww,american server2
15:20 <tronner> ct|kyle: Server 1: ww, Server 2: american server2, Server 3: CT1, Server 4: z-man, Final Server: CT1, Third place Server: z-man
15:20 <freako5> ok. it passed the random check :)
15:21 <freako5> madmax whats ur price? I want the same :)
15:21 <Durka> ok are we ready?
15:21 <freako5> yup
15:21 <Durka> ct|kyle: u ready?
15:21 <ct|kyle> ya
15:21 <Durka> epsy: wanna tell us?
15:21 <epsy> hm?
15:21 <Durka> "oooh there's a prooblem now"
15:21 <freako5> oooh there's a prooblem now : related to the ladle?
15:22 <freako5> or to z-man ?
15:22 <Durka> well then...
15:22 <Durka> this is how it's going to work
15:22 <ct|kyle> epsy: say go
15:22 <Durka> freako5: will type "#roulette"
15:22 <Durka> i will paste my command
15:23 <Durka> then kyle u do urs
15:23 <Durka> then freako will type it again
15:23 <Durka> ok?
15:23 <epsy> @echo go!
15:23 <teabot> go!
15:23 <freako5> Affirmative!
15:23 <freako5> #roulette
15:23 <armabot> freako5: *click*
15:23 <Durka> .randomteam KoD,CT,NM,X,TR,WrD,NoT,DS,SP
15:23 <ct|kyle> .randserver2 CT1,z-man,ww,american server2
15:23 <tronner> Durka: Team 1: NoT, Team 2: TR, Team 3: WrD, Team 4: SP, Team 5: NM, Team 6: X, Team 7: DS, Team 8: CT, Team 9: KoD,
15:23 <tronner> ct|kyle: Server 1: CT1, Server 2: american server2, Server 3: ww, Server 4: z-man, Final Server: american server2, Third place Server: z-man
15:23 <freako5> #roulette
15:23 <armabot> freako5: *click*
15:23 <Durka> awesome
15:24 <Durka> so there it is
15:24 <Durka> well done team :O
15:24 <MaZuffeR> damn, ct vs kod in first round :/
15:24 <freako5> no
15:24 <freako5> kod has a bye first round
15:24 <ct|kyle> Team 8 will play Team 9 at 6:45pm GMT
15:25 <freako5> no
15:25 <freako5> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Ladle/Challenge_Board
15:25 <freako5> we have a new challenge board
15:25 <madmax> durka's post says it's 8vs9
15:25 <Durka> its 8 v 9
15:25 <Durka> i havent updated it
15:25 <freako5> the challenge board says its 7 vs 8
15:26 <Durka> that was based on 10 teams
15:26 <freako5> lazy durka :O
15:26 <ct|kyle> he said to read his post
15:26 <Durka> and that was still wrong
15:26 <Durka> we only have 9 now
15:26 <freako5> finals on ww :)
15:26 <freako5> gl with playing ct Maz :)
15:26 <MaZuffeR> ty :)
15:27 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=200785#200785
15:28  * freako5 guesses that TR gets almost a free ticket :)
15:28 <Durka> finals arent on WW
15:28 <freako5> on r3? i heard that server was awfull
15:29 <Durka> or lukes
15:29 <Durka> it depends if luke is nice
15:29 <Durka> and no that servers not awful lol
15:30 <freako5> I hope luke will be nice... because his servers are far better ;)
15:30 <ct|kyle> Durka: so is ct vs KoD at server 1?
15:30 <freako5> R3..... 350 ping....
15:30 <Durka> yea
15:30 <freako5> mmm.. 240 now,.. where is it located australia? :O
15:31 <freako5> Is it west- NA ?
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15:36 <z-man-work> epsy: I can't reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/276371
15:36 <teabot> Launchpad bug 276371 in armagetronad "team blue bug on spec key" [Undecided,New]
15:36 <epsy> that's on trunk
15:37 <z-man-work> ah.
15:38 <freako5> durka: Can the r3 server handle a full server?
15:38 <Durka> yea
15:38 <epsy> there, it's better with the milestone set
15:38 <freako5> mmm..
15:39 <freako5> it has the same location as the WW server,,, thought my ping is 2x then WW-s
15:39 <freako5> both in Texas
15:40 <freako5> durka:
15:42 <freako5> So, can't we use pinktomatoes server for it? if he likes?
15:42 <freako5> It-s hosted by the same company as ww :)
15:42 <z-man-work> I also can't get this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/261469
15:42 <teabot> Launchpad bug 261469 in armagetronad "team red pops up when switching out from SP mode" [Low,Incomplete]
15:43 <z-man-work> I suppose you couldn't, either?
15:43 <Durka> ct|kyle, madmax, freako5 http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=200785#200785
15:43 <Durka> theres the scenarios
15:43 <freako5> durka:     it has the same location as the WW server,,, thought my ping is 2x then WW-s     /  So, can't we use pinktomatoes server for it? if he likes?   / It-s hosted by the same company as ww :)
15:44 <Durka> freako we used reps for the tst
15:44 <Durka> it was fine
15:44 <Durka> in fact we all had better pings than ww
15:44 <freako5> I even heard that, that pink-s was better for americans 2 :P
15:44 <Durka> fix ur internet
15:44 <Durka> ill go join reps right now
15:45 <Durka> 89 ping
15:45 <Durka> thats the same as i get in WW
15:46 <freako5> Ill test all 3
15:46 <Durka> ok well i g2g
15:46 <Durka> cya
15:47 <freako5> R3p  205 : WW 120 ; Pink-s 108
15:47 <Durka> wheres pinks
15:47 <Durka> what is it called
15:48 <Durka> nvr mind i see it
15:48 <Durka> 76 ping
15:48 <Durka> big diff...
15:48 <freako5> mmm... odd monkey made it to 98 on pinks last week
15:49 <Durka> ok well maybe its closer to the east coast
15:49 <Durka> who cares
15:49 <Durka> cya
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15:49 <freako5> That durka doesnt understand... That r3p-s server is closer to me,, but still has a higher ping :O
15:50 <freako5> 80+
15:53 <epsy> well, say, you're phoning with your mobile phone to your mate that's in the next room
15:53 <epsy> is it a direct link? nope, it transits through the operator's network
15:53 <freako5> Yes i get why..
15:53 <epsy> same happens for the internet, except that you often leave your operator's network
15:53 <freako5> Or the connection is slower... or its connected to europe trough different cable/satelites
15:54 <epsy> well, hoax had for a long time a really crap ping at G5's server
15:54 <epsy> we found out that the packets were routed through america
15:54 <freako5> yes.. depends how it-s connected,,, I'll traceroute both servers though
15:55 <epsy> also, the europe-us links are not done via satellite if I remember correctly
15:55 <epsy> 100ms would be impossible with satellite
15:55 <freako5> Yeah I said  /   ,  because I wasnt sure wich it was
15:56 <freako5> ah epsy.. You said I could never use an proxy on arma? I have it now ;)
15:57 <epsy> well, if you assimilate a router to a proxy, which is a false assumption, you would be having a proxy for everything
15:58 <freako5> http://www.anchorfree.com/
15:58 <freako5> It work's and u even will have a low-ping if u live near a routing city
15:59 <epsy> what does it do?
15:59 <freako5> Everything I send,Do, whatever
15:59 <epsy> that's only for browser navigation
15:59 <freako5> nope
15:59 <epsy> show me
15:59 <freako5> g5 checked it, he found out I was living in America :O
16:00 <epsy> checked WHAT
16:00 <freako5> he checked my arma-ingame ip
16:03 <freako5> Do u have a server, where U can check my ip?
16:03 <epsy> epsy.teamkilled.net:4534
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16:05 <freako6> epsy, do u have an server where u can check my ip :)
16:05 <epsy> [16:02] <epsy>: epsy.teamkilled.net:4534
16:06 <epsy> [1] Received login from 84.31.189.238:63927 via socket *.*.*.*:4534, network version: 0.2.8.2 (ID: 13).
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16:06 <epsy> P address country:  	 ip address flag Netherlands
16:06 <epsy> IP address state: 	Noord-Brabant
16:06 <epsy> IP address city: 	Waalwijk
16:06 <freako6> that was the control login....
16:07 <epsy> hrhr
16:07 <epsy> the come again
16:07 <epsy> then*
16:08 <freako6> it-s updating.. wait a sec lol >.<
16:08 <epsy> huh?
16:09 <freako6> every program needs updating... I only hate it does it automatic :)
16:09 <epsy> ??
16:12 <luke-jr> lots of talking about me :o
16:12 <freako6> haha :) we were talking about the ladle server again
16:13 <luke-jr> <.<
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16:22 <epsy> bbl
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16:55 <PhysiX> hay all
16:56 <madmax> hi
16:56 <madmax> irssi
16:57 <madmax> er, oops
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17:01 <freako6> hi phy :)
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17:16 <freako6> lol
17:19 <PinkTomato> lol?
17:19 <freako6> quit/join? were they kicked?
17:20  * freako6 has no irc knowledge
17:20 <MaZuffeR> freako6, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
17:20 <PinkTomato> oh yeah, that was odd
17:21 <PinkTomato> ah right :)
17:22 <freako6> aha, I get it :
17:27 <Monkey_arma> hey PhysiX
17:28 <PhysiX> hay monk
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17:32 <mike_hueon> ih
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19:04 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r916 Added removal of some created directories on uninstall via s... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r915 Urgh. Left some disorienting experimental code in the last c... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r914 small refactoring of glance reset....
19:05 <BabyBug> \o/
19:05 <PinkTomato> :)
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19:46 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8617 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eCamera.cpp): Manuel Moos: small refactoring of glance reset.
19:47 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8618 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eCamera.cpp): Manuel Moos: Urgh. Left some disorienting experimental code in the last commit.
19:48 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8619 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Added removal of some created directories on uninstall via script.
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21:40 <epsy> yeah, fucking bs intel driver
21:40 <epsy> now display lists crashes it
21:40 <epsy> fucking bullshit upgrade
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21:47 <luke-jr> …
21:47 <luke-jr> wasn't display lists a hack anyway?
21:48 <epsy> the intel driver is a hack yeah
21:49 <luke-jr> …
21:49 <luke-jr> the Intel driver is the best one for Linux last I checked
21:49 <epsy> blahblahblah
21:50 <epsy> in terms of crashes per hour, indeed it has a good score
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21:50 <luke-jr> you tried GEM or LKS?
21:50 <epsy> the kernel is not up to date enough for that
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23:13 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r917 Removed limits on ports in server bookmark and custom connec...
23:13 <BabyBug> \o/
23:13 <noob13> yay!
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8620 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gServerFavorites.cpp):
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Removed limits on ports in server bookmark and custom connect menus.
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixes #253978.
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8621 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eDisplay.cpp): Manuel Moos: Removed default debug grid again.
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23:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8622 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. config/default.cfg): Manuel Moos: Fixed invalid setting.
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23:59 <_TaZ_> Hello
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