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Log from 2008-10-04:
--- Day changed Sat Oct 04 2008
00:01 <madmax> #sd deathmatch
00:01 <armabot> madmax: Nexus9 Deathmatch (NO RUBBER!): Players (4/16): God, luke, speeeeedracer, Youngboy07 (Drugocolypse@tron.nexusnine.org)
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00:08 <madmax> Lackadaisical, Flex, Monkey_arma nexus?
00:11 <ivantis1> luke-jr: you there?
00:12 <luke-jr> no
00:12 <luke-jr> stfu and die
00:12 <ivantis1> hey
00:13 <ivantis1> do you think http://cgi.ebay.com/Siemens-5300-1U-Server-Intel-Celeron-433MHz-512MB-120Gb_W0QQitemZ150299399316QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150299399316&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 is a good deal?
00:13 <Monkey_arma> madmax sure in a bit, im just practicing with a teammate for ladle
00:13 <ivantis1> im thinking about buying a server
00:13 <Monkey_arma> it gets busier later also nexus server
00:15 <ivantis1> luke-jr: hmm?
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00:22 <ivantis1> fine
00:22 <ivantis1> ill see if its a good deal myself
00:22 <corewar> first person is back
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00:28 <ivantis> man
00:28 <ivantis> i just feels weird using mibbit
00:28 <ivantis> I HATE IT!
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00:29 <ivantis> but does anyone think that is a good idea?
00:29 <ivantis> buying my own server?
00:30 <ivantis> or should i get one from slicehost or something?
00:31 <Monkey_arma> ivantis i would not say buy one
00:31 <Monkey_arma> i would rent for now
00:31 <Monkey_arma> rent as much cpu and mem as you need
00:31 <ivantis> yeah
00:31 <ivantis> but
00:31 <ivantis> it would be a nice learning opportunity if i bought my own
00:32 <ivantis> #sd -v lightfoot uk
00:32 <armabot> ivantis: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “lightfoot uk” at the moment, sorry.
00:32 <ivantis> #sd -v lightfoot
00:32 <armabot> ivantis: Lightfoot Hosting Demo Server (UK) (85.234.147.28:4534) running 0.2.8_alpha20080122 unix dedicated, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/demo.php, Description: “Web control panel password is 'demo'“, Players (0/4):
00:32 <ivantis> actually, not slicehost
00:33 <ivantis> the place luke-jr gets his is better
00:33 <ivantis> s/better/cheaper/
00:33 <ivantis> i looked at it yesterday, messing around with Xtraceroute
00:34 <Monkey_arma> madmax 6 on at nexus....im going...
00:39 <ivantis> oh yeah, vaserv.com
00:39 <ivantis> wow
00:40 <ivantis> my internet has 5 levels of latency, his texas server only has 2 levels
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00:49 <Ttech> ?
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01:07 <madmax> #armaconfig mini
01:08 <armabot> madmax: Sorry, no matches :S
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01:08 <madmax> #armaconfig map
01:08 <armabot> madmax: FORBID_HUD_MAP: forbid_hud_map_help (default: 0) || MAP_FILE: File that contains the map used for playing (default: Anonymous/polygon/regular/square-1.0.1.aamap.xml) || MAP_FILE_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when MAP_FILE differs from its default? (default: 3) || MAP_ROTATION: map_rotation_help (default: )
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01:19 <madmax> corewar: ^
01:19 <corewar> ...
01:20 <corewar> ahoy
01:20 <corewar> there are some options, i couldnt understand immediately... got to check them out in singleplayer
01:21 <corewar> is there a way to export the current settings of that game, i made? was quite hard work and "finetuning" if i may say so
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01:30 <madmax> not sure... you should use a config file though
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01:36 <corewar> how dangerous is it to give away a passwd, whrn i used the client to host a game?
01:37 <corewar> so you say, i could copy a conf somewhere safe to keep this setup? would be great
01:39 <corewar> if there is any *g*
01:45 <madmax> first you should try to use the dedicated server...
01:45 <madmax> about the configs, you have a ton of stuff here: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_Administration
01:46 <madmax> anyway, I don't think there's a way to get it to export all your current settings to a file
01:46 <madmax> so you'd have to check what you changed, and put it all in a configuration file which would be read the next time you start the server
01:47 <corewar> ic...
01:47 <corewar> somoen asked me for the passwd, but i think i have none due to usage of the client instead of the srv
01:48 <corewar> he wanted to change settings
01:48 <corewar> do you think the settings were that bad?__
01:48 <corewar> i mean i dont give much about it, but i surely want to know, how expirienced players perceive the setup
01:49 <corewar> and for nobody is on my machine right now, i started to read teh wiki
01:49 <madmax> perhaps the rubber is a bit too high
01:49 <corewar> i was thinking that too... cool
01:49 <corewar> with all that brakes
01:50 <madmax> yeah brakes too
01:50 <corewar> #i think the brakes give it more arcarde like feeling
01:50 <corewar> you can navigate the maze
01:51 <corewar> but less rubber and less brakes? how could one control that??_
01:51 <corewar> ah
01:51 <corewar> sure gotit
01:51 <corewar> youre all programs of course
01:51 <corewar> and i am the user
01:53 <corewar> did anyone in here see the movie?
01:53 <corewar> it seems most plays hadnt
01:53 <corewar> players
01:55 <madmax> I did
01:56 <corewar> i supposed so *g*
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02:05 <corewar> wb
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03:44 <_Ratchet> ey guys
03:44 <_Ratchet> need help, from programmers more specifically
03:45 <_Ratchet> Monkey_arma,  you here?
03:45 <_Ratchet> Lucifer, you here?
03:45 <_Ratchet> luke-jr,  you here?
03:45 <Lucifer> heh, no
03:45 <corewar> whats up?
03:45 <_Ratchet> ok
03:45 <luke-jr> NO
03:45 <luke-jr> I AM NOT FSCKING HERE
03:45 <luke-jr> SO STFU
03:45 <_Ratchet> python or java
03:45 <luke-jr> AND LEAVE ME ALONE
03:45 <_Ratchet> =-x
03:45 <luke-jr> Java sucks
03:45 <luke-jr> Python isn't too hot either
03:45 <luke-jr> go with Perl
03:45 <_Ratchet> java looks more like c++ but python is easier
03:45 <_Ratchet> :\
03:46 <corewar> is python an interpreter, too?
03:46 <_Ratchet> pardon?
03:46 <corewar> well
03:46 <corewar> java is a pseudocode interpreter, it simulates a computer by its virtual machine program
03:46 <corewar> let me look up python
03:47 <corewar> (i am a programmer9
03:47 <luke-jr> ivantis: just get a server from me
03:47 <_Ratchet> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(programming_language)
03:47 <_Ratchet> doesnt appear to be
03:47 <luke-jr> corewar: actually, Java is not an interpreter
03:47 <luke-jr> neither is Python
03:47 <luke-jr> both are programming languages, first
03:48 <luke-jr> the official implementations of which are not interpreters either
03:48 <luke-jr> Perl *is* interpreted, I think
03:48 <luke-jr> in fact, IIRC, Perl *must* be interpreted, because of its complexity
03:48 <corewar> p-code interpreter
03:49 <corewar> call it emulator and i keep my mouth shut
03:49 <luke-jr> …
03:49 <luke-jr> emulator would be more accurate, yes
03:49 <luke-jr> for Java and Python
03:49 <corewar> afair, python is an object framework, so it is compiled, right? if so, its faster
03:49 <luke-jr> Java is compiled as well
03:49 <corewar> well
03:49 <_Ratchet> lucifer
03:49 <_Ratchet> wake up
03:49 <luke-jr> Java can even be compiled to native x86/PPC/etc machine code
03:49 <corewar> if like knows exactly, then trust him
03:50 <corewar> luke
03:50 <Lucifer> why are you trying to decide python or java?
03:50 <corewar> so dies python use a VM??
03:50 <_Ratchet> i want lucifers 2 cents
03:50 <Lucifer> if you don't know the answer, flip a coin
03:50 <luke-jr> corewar: yes
03:50 <_Ratchet> because i want to know which is better?
03:50 <corewar> oh. alright
03:50 <luke-jr> _Ratchet: Perl is better than both
03:50 <Lucifer> there ain't no such thing as a programming language that is "better"
03:50 <Lucifer> it depends on what you're doing
03:50 <Lucifer> without knowing that, I can't help :)
03:50 <_Ratchet> what would you recommend
03:50 <corewar> ++lucifer
03:50 <_Ratchet> just pick one lol
03:51 <Lucifer> yeah, just fucking pick one and get on with it
03:51 <luke-jr> lol
03:51 <_Ratchet> =-o
03:51 <corewar> heheh
03:51 <corewar> java can be used for applets in web pages, how about python?
03:51 <corewar> (except COM)
03:51 <_Ratchet> i dont want no web crap
03:51 <_Ratchet> just computer use
03:51 <Lucifer> python can be used for applets in OpenOffice.org :)
03:51 <Lucifer> (of course, java can too, iirc)
03:52 <ct|kyle> #obsolete applets
03:52 <armabot> ♪ applets is obsolete. ♫
03:52 <Lucifer> #obsolete #obsolete
03:52 <armabot> ♪ #obsolete is obsolete. ♫
03:52 <corewar> i have often heard, that python would be easy to begin with
03:52 <_Ratchet> #obsolete corewar
03:52 <armabot> ♪ corewar is obsolete. ♫
03:52 <corewar> java is a little... java.
03:52 <Lucifer> I always thought python would be easy to start with, but since I started long before python existed, I can't say for sure :)
03:52 <ct|kyle> python is like java and basic :P
03:52 <_Ratchet> i am looking for the better gui language
03:53 <Lucifer> er, that's a mistake
03:53 <Lucifer> look for the gui toolkit, then learn the language it uses
03:53 <Lucifer> let the solution you're seeking guide the methods you use
03:53 <_Ratchet> well theres swing for java
03:53 <Lucifer> if you want a gui toolkit recommendation from me, it's Qt
03:53 <_Ratchet> and multiple for python
03:53 <corewar> if it is for gui, i can recommend delphi (uses pascal)
03:53 <Lucifer> you can do Qt in java, c++, python, etc.
03:53 <Lucifer> delphi isn't cross-platform, though
03:54 <_Ratchet> so qt is anything
03:54 <_Ratchet> ?
03:54 <Lucifer> qt is c++, but there's bindings for other languages
03:54 <Lucifer> you use PyQt for python
03:54 <corewar> you see. it really depends on what you have in mind... its hard to answer, _Ratchet
03:54 <Lucifer> I think it's called Jambi when it's java
03:54 <_Ratchet> ah
03:54 <_Ratchet> so if i go with python use pqt
03:54 <Lucifer> if you haven't ever done any programming, just use PyQt and do whatever you want
03:54 <_Ratchet> pyqt
03:54 <_Ratchet> k
03:55 <corewar> heheh... many programmers here *g*
03:55 <_Ratchet> download pyqt and learn python
03:55 <Lucifer> you'll learn your way around qt, and when you decide python doesn't serve you as well as you wished (which you may not decide), you can switch to c++
03:55 <Lucifer> makes learning qt easier, I think
03:55 <_Ratchet> k
03:55 <_Ratchet> thx for the two cents, and pitching in for the third
03:55 <_Ratchet> =)
03:55 <Lucifer> basically, learning qt and c++ at the same time could be very difficult if you don't already know another language :)
03:56 <corewar> i had a similar quiestion in mind... i want to start writing gui progs for linux and have no idea what to use
03:56 <Lucifer> now you have an answer, don't you?  ;)
03:56 <corewar> heheh
03:56 <corewar> i hear different opinions all the time
03:56 <_Ratchet> i do
03:56 <Lucifer> go to #qt and ask them :)
03:56 <_Ratchet> can  I get pyqt on windows
03:56 <Lucifer> yep
03:56 <corewar> guess i will go some c stuff and probably qt
03:56 <_Ratchet> k
03:57 <Lucifer> google up pyqt, the windows package has everything you need
03:57 <Lucifer> except for python, possibly, I don't remember
03:57 <Lucifer> well, if you want to use c, you either use gtk or xlib directly
03:57 <Lucifer> I'm not aware of any c-language gui toolkits besides gtk
03:57 <Lucifer> but really, if you're using C, you should be doing kernel hacking.... ;)
03:58 <corewar> xlib sounds like much of doing stuff, that others already have put to their frameworks, right?
03:58 <Lucifer> yep
03:58 <corewar> heheh... thats mine
03:58 <corewar> i like from scratch
03:58 <Lucifer> hey, the 80s called, they want their buzzword back
03:58 <luke-jr> corewar: you can use C within Qt just as well as using C++ within Qt
04:00 <Lucifer> the only things I do from scratch are cook, and start my fucking life over
04:00 <_Ratchet> #google pyqt
04:00 <armabot> _Ratchet: Search took 0.20 seconds: Riverbank | News: <http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/>; Riverbank | Software | PyQt | What is PyQt ?: <http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/software/pyqt/intro>; PyQt - PythonInfo Wiki: <http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt>; PyQt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyQt>; Using Wing IDE with PyQt - Wingware Python IDE: (2 more messages)
04:00 <_Ratchet> !
04:00 <Lucifer> which reminds me, I'm hungry
04:01 <Lucifer> the first link is the one you want
04:01 <Lucifer> pyqt is made by riverbankcomputing
04:01 <_Ratchet> mk
04:01 <_Ratchet> 3 or 4
04:01 <_Ratchet> (4 i would guess)
04:01 <Lucifer> 4
04:01 <Lucifer> use 3 if you like poking sewing needles under your finger nails
04:02 <Lucifer> use gtk for the same reason
04:03 <corewar> kernel hacking... well... some day surely
04:04 <corewar> its so much stuff... i am currently trying to domesticate my linux
04:04 <corewar> lfs
04:04 <_Ratchet> i have yet to get wireless working ob mine, it finds driver then gets pissed and stops
04:05 <corewar> i am about to do the same
04:05 <corewar> no, not quite, i mean hsdpa
04:07 <_Ratchet> thanks again for the 3cents Lucifer
04:07  * Lucifer has working wireless very easily
04:07 <Lucifer> hey, no problem
04:07 <Lucifer> next time you're stuck with indecision, feel free to wonder into an irc channel :)
04:07 <_Ratchet> lol
04:07 <_Ratchet> k
04:08 <_Ratchet> simple question: "driver", something in my computer? can be changed?
04:08 <_Ratchet> if so i'll be buying me one soon
04:08 <_Ratchet> =-d
04:09 <luke-jr> …
04:09 <luke-jr> ok
04:09 <luke-jr> _Ratchet, you fail at life
04:10 <luke-jr> please go sell your computer
04:10 <luke-jr> and pretend they don't exist
04:10 <_Ratchet> lol
04:11 <corewar> like downloadable hardware - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fpga
04:11 <luke-jr> ……..
04:12 <corewar> luke: what charset are you using?
04:12 <luke-jr> utf-8 of course
04:12 <corewar> uhm... my linux box does strange things indeed with your chars
04:12 <luke-jr> your "linux" box is fail
04:12 <corewar> possible
04:13 <corewar> console
04:17 <_Ratchet> http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
04:17 <corewar> driver? isnt that the person who holds the wheel when playing some racing game?
04:17 <_Ratchet> that's how i got into programming
04:18 <corewar> looks nice at the first glance
04:19 <corewar> is it comprehensive to a bgeinner?
04:23 <corewar> aah i see.. its real basics... still nice
04:26 <_Ratchet> I have to download the python programming language?
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04:35 <Lucifer> grrr, fuckin' irc client crashed
04:35 <antric-laptop> hey Stewah!
04:35 <Stewah> yes?
04:36 <antric-laptop> hay
04:36 <Stewah> where the fuck is xfroggy?
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04:38 <_Ratchet> .seen xfroggy
04:38 <tronner> _Ratchet: xfroggy was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, 1 minute, and 45 seconds ago: <xfroggy> Oo
04:53 <corewar> then my entry might be MyFriends[362].Name and MyFriends[362].Address etc
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05:05 <Monkey_arma> .seen xfroggy_tr
05:05 <tronner> Monkey_arma: xfroggy_tr was last seen in #armagetron 2 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 45 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <xfroggy_tr> no
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05:07 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
05:07 <armabot> pong
05:07 <corewar> yes, this channel is not dead.
05:07 <corewar> or is it dead? i wonder
05:08 <corewar> is this channel truly international? anyone
05:08 <corewar> anyones clock showing noon?
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05:18 <Lucifer> Your_mom_arma: ltns
05:18  * Lucifer tries to crash his irc client again
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05:23 <Your_mom_arma> wb
05:24 <anjori> what client?
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05:50 <Lucifer> konversation
05:51 <Lucifer> hey, is this like a reunion or something?
05:52 <Your_mom_arma> ?
05:53 <Lucifer> you and anjori, haven't seen you guys in here in awhile
05:58 <anjori> wait, i'm only here for the pizza party. wasnt it supposed to be here?
05:58 <anjori> if there's no pizza, i'm leaving.
05:59 <Your_mom_arma> quick someone search for an ascii pizza
06:00 <Lucifer> O
06:00 <Lucifer> sorry, I didn't have time to put toppings on it
06:00 <anjori> heh
06:02 <Lucifer> http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/debate.words/?iref=mpstoryview
06:05 <Your_mom_arma> 3rd parties ftw(lose)
06:07 <anjori> :(
06:09 <anjori> i dont know what the hell they were thinking, but they decided to schedule the canadian debate for the same night as the vice presidential debates
06:10 <anjori> i wonder who all 5 viewers thought won
06:18 <Lucifer> haha
06:18 <Lucifer> well, I was going to watch the debate tonight after it hit the internet, but Palin is annoying me so much I don't want to ever hear or see her speak again
06:18 <Lucifer> I'm just going to write in Satan on my ballot
06:19 <Your_mom_arma> I don't know of anyone who would vote for palin if she was running for president(not vp)
06:19 <Lucifer> me neither, but around here I've seen a lot of McCain/Palin signs in people's yards
06:19 <Lucifer> (we have an Obama/Biden sign ourselves, my roommate picked it up)
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06:20 <Your_mom_arma> I'm either not voting or going third party
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06:21 <anjori> in the canadian debate, there was 5 parties represented
06:21 <Lucifer> I may wind up not voting, election day is the first day available for my soon-to-be-ex wife and I to get a hearing on our divorce decree
06:21 <anjori> they all suck, and there isnt a lpc candidate running in my riding, so i wont be voting
06:21 <Your_mom_arma> I didn't like how obama ; voted for fisa, wants to drill for oil, voted for the bailout
06:22 <Lucifer> er, obama doesn't *want* to drill for oil, he's willing to open up some restrictions as a compromise to get his energy plan through
06:23 <Lucifer> to be honest, I'm willing to open up more drilling myself if we can throw on there intense alternative energy support from the government
06:23 <Lucifer> then let the free market pick solar panels, wind farms, and so forth ;)
06:24  * Lucifer needs to check the courthouse schedules
06:24 <Lucifer> the precinct will probably be packed with rednecks voting for McCain
06:30 <Your_mom_arma> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg?v=0
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06:52 <akira_arma> the 2 party system is only to protect the elite :)
06:53 <akira_arma> also why did they include a bunch of non related stuff into that bailout
06:55 <Your_mom_arma> because no one was willing to give away a trillion dollars without getting some for themselves?
06:55 <Your_mom_arma> ^poor wording
06:57 <Lucifer> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist
07:00 <Lucifer> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_promises_to_stop_americas
07:00 <Lucifer> I love theOnion
07:04 <Lucifer> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/mccain_s_economic_plan_for_nation   <--- best one yet
07:04 <Lucifer> akira_arma: first, the senate passed the bill before the house
07:04 <Lucifer> the senate is constitutionally restricted from passing budget/money legislation, those bills have to first pass the house
07:04 <Lucifer> so they had to make the bill a non-budget/money bill before they could even consider it
07:05 <akira_arma> exactly
07:05 <akira_arma> :)
07:05 <Lucifer> to do that, they added some crap on it to make the bill appeal more to both sides of the issue
07:05 <akira_arma> if you look carefully it isnt crap at all
07:05 <Lucifer> if you look at the other things tossed in there, it was clearly both sides making significant platform concessions to get this one out
07:05 <Lucifer> right, it's not trivial crap, it's actually useful crap
07:05 <akira_arma> but i am not going to argue with you
07:06 <Lucifer> mental health to be given equal weight to physical health by insurance companies, tax credits for alternative energy stuff
07:06 <Lucifer> hell, the "crap" they added will probably do more for the economy than the bail-out part
07:06 <akira_arma> the baiout will do nothing
07:06 <akira_arma> l
07:07 <akira_arma> except of prolonging the proces some months
07:07 <akira_arma> process*
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07:09 <Lucifer> we'll see, I have my own misgivings about the bailout
07:09 <Lucifer> but you know, everybody's doing it :)
07:10 <akira_arma> like thats an argument
07:10 <Lucifer> (i.e. not just us, the brits have had to do some of their own bailouts)
07:10 <akira_arma> its only the proof of the multinationality of those rich elitists
07:10 <Lucifer> we're probably going into the Greater Depression, and there ain't a damn thing can be done about it
07:10 <akira_arma> no shit
07:11 <akira_arma> funnily the whole system inevitably causes them
07:11 <akira_arma> and they are wanted
07:11 <akira_arma> after every depression the rich become richer
07:11 <Lucifer> well yeah, it *is* capitalism, after all
07:11 <Lucifer> I should dig up an amazon link to this book
07:11 <akira_arma> cause they dont care if they loose a bit
07:11 <akira_arma> btw
07:12 <akira_arma> did you dig a bit about the fed and central banks?
07:12 <Lucifer> not recently, been a little occupied with this divorce
07:12 <akira_arma> :O
07:12 <akira_arma> thats the official tool of our slavery
07:12 <akira_arma> ;)
07:13 <Lucifer> divorce?
07:13 <Lucifer> nah, divorce is liberation
07:13 <akira_arma> ..
07:13 <akira_arma> the central banks
07:13 <Lucifer> at least, if you were divorcing my wife, you'd think it was liberation :)
07:13 <akira_arma> lokl
07:14 <akira_arma> if you look carefully you can even see it in their language
07:14 <akira_arma> they claim the prices rise
07:14 <akira_arma> but thats wrong
07:14 <akira_arma> the money becomes less worth
07:14 <akira_arma> that is the proper wording
07:14 <akira_arma> also they make billions of wins on fiat money
07:15 <akira_arma> money out of nothing
07:15 <akira_arma> but the interest pays the consumer
07:16 <akira_arma> in germany banks can even lend to factor 35
07:16 <akira_arma> of thier own savings
07:16 <akira_arma> their*
07:16 <Lucifer> hey, I've got serious issues with capitalism myself
07:16 <Lucifer> I just haven't yet come up with an alternative
07:16 <akira_arma> well thats difficult because its burned into our brains
07:16 <akira_arma> to work that way
07:16 <akira_arma> for centuries
07:17 <akira_arma> not easy to come up with an alternative
07:17 <akira_arma> i'd say start anew ... form autonmous societies
07:17 <corewar> anarcha with individual responsibility
07:17 <akira_arma> try to enforce local trade
07:17 <corewar> -a+y
07:17 <Lucifer> well, instead of looking for a completely new system, I'm trying to figure out how to make modifications to this one to transform it into something that works
07:17 <akira_arma> no
07:17 <akira_arma> worng
07:17 <akira_arma> you cant make it work
07:17 <corewar> only way i would want
07:17 <Lucifer> I'm also American, and we haven't done as much experimenting as the europeans have (in general)
07:17 <corewar> i have seen it work with 60000 people
07:18 <akira_arma> because this system' solely purpose is to transfer power from the bottom to the top
07:18 <akira_arma> and I fear soon they have enough
07:18 <corewar> drop the bomb, really... criminals
07:19 <Lucifer> we're on the verge of feudalism here in the us
07:19 <akira_arma> exactly
07:19 <Lucifer> it wouldn't take much to finish the job, really
07:19 <akira_arma> neofeudalistic technocracy
07:19 <akira_arma> neofascistic
07:19 <akira_arma> whatever
07:19 <corewar> we just elected a new govmnt, the old polititians continue to earn 15KEur/month for the next half year
07:19 <Lucifer> well of course, who sets their salaries?
07:20 <akira_arma> :)
07:20 <corewar> like unemployment insurance
07:20 <Lucifer> it was unbelievable to me when the Congress got to vote raises for themselves
07:20 <corewar> 15K!!
07:20 <akira_arma> corewar this is just what you see
07:20 <corewar> klick-boom
07:20 <akira_arma> you dont see the true money streams
07:20 <Lucifer> one thing I like about Biden, at least, is that he really has been living only on his senate paycheck
07:20 <akira_arma> take the central bank
07:21 <akira_arma> they make money
07:21 <Lucifer> McCain can say that too, but he married a beer heiress
07:21 <corewar> i know its the tip of a... whatever... gas giant
07:21 <akira_arma> and collect inmterest
07:21 <Lucifer> yeah, not too long ago, the Bush answer to the economic problems was to print more money
07:21 <akira_arma> the money out of nothing goes to the consumer
07:21 <akira_arma> he puts it into his bank
07:21 <Lucifer> that fucking idiot
07:21 <corewar> monsanto makes me feel really uncomfortable when i think of our future
07:21 <akira_arma> now they can make up to factor 9 money out of nothing again
07:21 <akira_arma> and collect interest again
07:22 <akira_arma> its a neverending stream of interest going to the banks
07:22 <akira_arma> and its strongest at the top
07:22 <akira_arma> big banks and central bank
07:22 <corewar> "loans" to the gvmnt
07:22 <akira_arma> and now think what they do with all that money
07:22 <akira_arma> :D
07:22 <akira_arma> buying influence
07:22 <Lucifer> well, they'd lose a fair bit of power (although not as much as it might sound) if people quit living off credit cards
07:23 <akira_arma> buying every fuckin politician , media they can reach
07:23 <corewar> isnt there smth in the us constitutoin about only gold and silver my be used for payment?
07:23 <Lucifer> you have to check the amendments, that was changed
07:23 <akira_arma> gold standard was lifted in the 30s
07:23 <corewar> the constitution wasnt changed... that was "temporarily"
07:23 <akira_arma> cause it doesnt fit into a system of flexible currnecy
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07:23 <akira_arma> and you need a flexible currency if you want to control the prices
07:24 <Lucifer> well, the idea is to let the market decide what backs the currency, afaik
07:24 <akira_arma> to make them rise
07:24 <Lucifer> right now it's backed by oil
07:24 <akira_arma> :)
07:24 <akira_arma> no
07:24 <akira_arma> lucifer
07:24 <Lucifer> which means a small consortium of price-fixing arabs decides the value of the american dollar
07:24 <corewar> no you need flexible currency to create inflation and have a hidden tax
07:24 <akira_arma> there is no free amrket for a LONG time
07:24 <akira_arma> yes exactly
07:24 <akira_arma> better put
07:24 <Lucifer> akira_arma: check what I said, I didn't say "free market", I just said "market"
07:24 <corewar> didnt you wonder, why everyting gets more and more expensive, while it gets easier and easier to produce it?
07:25 <akira_arma> the fed was created by the SAME bankers the american poulace distrusted
07:25 <Lucifer> that's a dangerous over-simplification
07:25 <corewar> i wonder
07:25 <akira_arma> no its not lucifer
07:25 <Lucifer> it gets easier to produce things en masse, but that's expensive setup costs
07:25 <Lucifer> akira_arma: I meant what corewar said
07:25 <akira_arma> yes
07:25 <akira_arma> me too
07:25 <corewar> overal more cheap than producing less... piece prizes
07:25 <akira_arma> the problem is
07:25 <akira_arma> about 50% of the worlds money streams right now are used for debt reduction
07:26 <corewar> 50??
07:26 <akira_arma> that is ridicukous
07:26 <corewar> wow
07:26 <Lucifer> corewar: that "ovarall more cheap" only matters when producing lots of thousands, or millions in some cases
07:26 <akira_arma> well 50 might be a bit exxagerated
07:26 <corewar> well... what isnt produced in the millions today?
07:26 <akira_arma> but its for sure up to 1/3
07:26 <Lucifer> yeah, 50 might be exaggerated, but I'd believe almost anything over 20
07:26 <Lucifer> corewar: depends on what you're talking about, still :)
07:26 <Lucifer> there's not a factory in the world that produces a million cars in one day
07:27 <Lucifer> but yearly production is somewhere around there, iirc
07:27 <corewar> basic material, food, cloth, houses, cars, cpomputers, etc
07:27 <Lucifer> ahhh, food isn't quite mass produced
07:27 <akira_arma> bnot?
07:27 <corewar> ah?
07:27 <akira_arma> last time i checked i saw diff :(
07:27 <akira_arma> not all food of course
07:27 <Lucifer> no, it's still farmed plenty, and highly mechanized
07:27 <Lucifer> lots of distribution of labor, even
07:27 <corewar> that is mass production
07:27 <akira_arma> its still alot less labour
07:27 <akira_arma> than before
07:27 <Lucifer> but it's not like a cow goes down an assembly line and one person cuts off a leg, and another cuts off another leg, etc
07:28 <corewar> compare to pre-tech age
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07:28 <Lucifer> yeah, but that's part of the problem in the food chain, actually
07:28 <Lucifer> less labor = less oversight
07:28 <corewar> one farmer makes ... i guess 100x the amo0unt and gets 10th for each piece?
07:28 <akira_arma> one good example i think is
07:28 <akira_arma> in rome
07:28 <Lucifer> not just oversight, but the way they achieve the numbers they get using essentially 19th century farming techniques (highly mechanized) is with drugs, hormones, and basically land-trashing, er, things
07:28 <Lucifer> heh
07:29 <corewar> i dont buy it, that we are short on ressources
07:29 <akira_arma> you could buy for a piece of gold
07:29 <akira_arma> one toga
07:29 <Lucifer> the corporate farmers make a killing
07:29 <akira_arma> sandals
07:29 <Lucifer> when I was working at the farmer's markets, the small-time farmers were struggling
07:29 <akira_arma> you can buy a good ssuit and good shoes today for that too
07:29 <akira_arma> ;)
07:29 <akira_arma> not more :D
07:29 <corewar> try to calculate how much watt the sun delivers per sqare meter... its an incredible amount of energy,,, why not use mirrors and make steam power? no. we need more oil
07:29 <Lucifer> because steam power is very inefficient
07:29 <corewar> so what
07:30 <corewar> its free
07:30 <Lucifer> you have to remember that oil is basically a collection of solar energy that was cached millions of years ago
07:30 <akira_arma> that isnt proofed yet..
07:30 <corewar> yes, but you cant get it in your garden
07:30 <Lucifer> free doesn't matter much when you'd have to cover so much of the earth to get the energy, you couldn't grow food anymore
07:30 <akira_arma> the biotic origin of oil isnt proofed yet lucifer..
07:30 <akira_arma> but thats another discusion theme
07:30 <akira_arma> ;)
07:30 <Lucifer> really, we passed the 20% mark for efficiency of solar panels
07:31 <Lucifer> akira_arma: depends entirely on which crackpots you believe :)
07:31 <akira_arma> exactly
07:31 <akira_arma> but there is no proof
07:31 <corewar> not solar panels.. mirrors heating water
07:31 <Lucifer> the problem is, if you remove the biotic origin of oil from the mix, you can't get from the CO2-dominated atmosphere on early earth to the O2 dominated atmosphere
07:31 <corewar> fill the deserts with it and create hydrogen
07:31 <akira_arma> lately russian scientists produced hydrocarbonchains out of anorganic materials
07:32 <akira_arma> with just pressure and heat
07:32 <Lucifer> and what happens to the earth when you don't have the single-celled organisms processing the atmosphere into an O2-rich atmosphere?
07:32 <Lucifer> well, absolutely nothing, which is the problem
07:32 <akira_arma> ?
07:32 <corewar> i believe the stories about short energy and fully covered earth originate in some corporatipons and gvmnts
07:33 <akira_arma> well there are some lies spreading around
07:33 <akira_arma> best lie is the CO2 thing tho
07:33 <Lucifer> nah, the theory I'm talking about is more or less required right now for evolution to have turned the planet into what it is today
07:33 <corewar> ate least some of the stories are just bad hoaxes
07:33 <akira_arma> CO2 isnt even a strong greenhouse gas
07:33 <Lucifer> better check the data on venus there
07:34 <akira_arma> well
07:34 <corewar> we have tax on income... incredible! they should tax sales... with all this unemployment
07:34 <akira_arma> i think it differs if you have
07:34 <Lucifer> actually, venus's cloud cover reflects all the sunlight, it's crushing heat comes from it's core
07:34 <akira_arma> 0.038 %
07:34 <akira_arma> or
07:34 <akira_arma> like venus
07:34 <akira_arma> ALOT more
07:34 <corewar> cobin tax...
07:34 <akira_arma> i never said it is NO greenhouse geas
07:34 <Lucifer> Corben Dallas Tax?
07:34 <corewar> one per mille tax on stock transfers and every human would be rich
07:35 <akira_arma> but as other scientists showed the cliamte change has nothing to do with human produced Co2
07:35 <corewar> and the really rich ones can continue getting richer
07:35 <Lucifer> then what's wrong with cheap oil, then?  ;)
07:35 <akira_arma> the rich cant get richer? :)
07:35 <corewar> use it not for driving, make medicine of it
07:35 <akira_arma> they dotn want to sell cheap!
07:36 <akira_arma> that was one reason for the war
07:36 <Lucifer> not too long ago, a group of geologists determined that there's some sort of geologic activity underneath greenland
07:36 <Lucifer> like a caldera underneath the glacier or something
07:36 <Lucifer> and *that* is what is melting that glacier
07:36 <akira_arma> the prob is there are many theories
07:37 <corewar> even if the co2 would be harmless... we dont know, so it is a risk
07:37 <akira_arma> which all should be followed
07:37 <akira_arma> but since the co2 one is religion
07:37 <corewar> hehe
07:37 <corewar> right
07:37 <Lucifer> I disagree somewhat, anyway
07:37 <corewar> both sides sound reasonable
07:37 <Lucifer> the oil companies have kept too firm a grip on us for too long
07:37 <corewar> at leat to me, i am not a climate expert
07:37 <Lucifer> but how do you break their grip?
07:37 <akira_arma> ?
07:37 <Lucifer> one way is to show how they're destroying the planet, and in that, all that's needed is a consensus theory
07:38 <corewar> get independent ... produce your own power
07:38 <corewar> buy h2 cars
07:38 <Lucifer> doesn't have to be anywhere near true or accurate, just enough to rally support to break the grip of the oil companies
07:38 <Lucifer> corewar: those cars don't exist
07:38 <corewar> wrong
07:38 <akira_arma> no?
07:38 <Lucifer> not to mention, hydrogen is really explosive :)
07:38  * Lucifer points to the Hindenburg
07:38 <corewar> kalifornia has opened the first h2 gas station in 1994
07:38 <akira_arma> i know a dude who made his OWN H2 car
07:38 <akira_arma> its not that hard
07:38 <Lucifer> akira_arma: that's a little different than picking one up down at the dealer
07:39 <akira_arma> and you know why?
07:39 <akira_arma> cause its not wanted
07:39 <corewar> and not THAT expensive... max three times (now! no mass production yet!)
07:39 <akira_arma> that alone should show how silly the Co2 theory is
07:39 <akira_arma> if they really cared..
07:39 <corewar> well
07:39 <akira_arma> but it seems its not urgent
07:39 <Lucifer> I think it is wanted, it's just that it would be very expensive to rearrange the economy to deal with them
07:39 <corewar> if they cared we would work 2hrs a week or so
07:39 <akira_arma> not really
07:39 <Lucifer> why should I buy an H2 car when I can't drive it across country?
07:40 <Lucifer> the logistics chain is the reason we don't have them yet
07:40 <Lucifer> well, that and safety concerns
07:40 <Lucifer> last time I checked, they still didn't have a safe way to store it
07:40 <corewar> i was attending a lecture on the economic university... the opponents of that 2hrs theory said, it would be 8hrs neccesary to keep up the infrastructure, if the ecology would be properly optimized
07:40 <Lucifer> and when you start talking about volume of hydrogen per mile driven, you don't get the same range
07:40 <corewar> oh my god
07:40 <corewar> i cant go 500 miles, only 300
07:40 <Lucifer> but besides that, you need your gas stations to fill up with *something*
07:41 <Lucifer> my car only goes 200 miles on one tank of GAS
07:41 <corewar> okay... 100 miles
07:41 <Lucifer> what kind of monster tank do you have that goes 500 miles?
07:41 <Lucifer> that 100 miles makes a difference
07:41 <corewar> sorry i dont drive a car
07:41 <Lucifer> my old pickup that I sold could only go about 100 miles on one tank
07:41 <Lucifer> that meant I had to stop every hour for gas
07:41 <corewar> i just knew the relation is about 2/3 of gasoline
07:41 <Lucifer> do you know how many gas stations would have to be built just to provide that?
07:42 <Lucifer> for cars taht aren't even on the market
07:42 <Lucifer> it's a chicken and egg problem
07:42 <Lucifer> which means that capitalists can't solve it
07:42 <corewar> it is already coming... thats for sure... ten years, 20 max
07:43 <corewar> at least in europe the polititians start to steer in that direction really
07:43 <Lucifer> I don't think so, I think we're going to go electric instead
07:43 <corewar> electric is expensive (in toxic context)
07:43 <Lucifer> tesla motors has got a Li-ion pack that should get 250 miles on a single charge
07:43 <Lucifer> heh
07:43 <Lucifer> what's your H2 car going to rate in toxic content?
07:43 <corewar> i am talking about the batteries
07:43 <corewar> heavy metals
07:44  * Lucifer doesn't remember there being heavy metals in li-ion batteries
07:44 <corewar> istn lithium ?
07:44 <Lucifer> lead acid batteries, yes
07:44 <Lucifer> lithium's not a heavy metal?
07:44 <corewar> at least its toxic
07:44 <corewar> you need proper disposal
07:44 <Lucifer> atomic number 3?
07:44 <corewar> sec
07:44 <Lucifer> lithium isn't toxic
07:45 <Lucifer> in fact, it's one of the first medications used to treat bipolar disorder
07:45 <corewar> the dosis, friend! micrograms vs tons
07:45 <corewar> oh
07:45 <corewar> Li = 3
07:46 <corewar> big oops
07:47 <Lucifer> heh, doesn't take much to run the battery
07:47 <Lucifer> besides, you still haven't shown me what toxic materials you'll remove to make the H2 car less damaging
07:47 <Lucifer> really, the batteries might scare you, but you can recycle those.  What about the plastics, the paints, the oils (for the moving parts), rubber, etc?
07:48 <Lucifer> I'll tell you what happens to the paint, it largely gets cooked into the waste pipes in the ovens
07:48 <corewar> compare the amount with the liters of fuel... well youre partially right of course, h2 isnt problem free
07:48 <Lucifer> then the EPA says "These can't have more emissions than <   >"
07:48 <corewar> well
07:48 <corewar> walk
07:48 <corewar> its healthy, too
07:48 <corewar> i love walking
07:48 <Lucifer> I'd rather ride my bike :)
07:48 <corewar> needs oil
07:48 <corewar> heheh
07:48 <Lucifer> 7.3 miles to work, takes a little over half an hour
07:48 <Lucifer> I don't mind that
07:48 <corewar> nice walk
07:49 <corewar> time to come down, relax, find yourslef
07:49 <Lucifer> for one thing, there are synthetics on the market, and most of the oil you use on bikes is synthetic
07:49 <Lucifer> 7.3 miles is about a 2 hour walk
07:49 <corewar> another problem is, that everyone "needs" a car
07:49 <Lucifer> there are other reasons for that, like GM buying public transport companies and putting them down so people would have to buy cars
07:50 <corewar> a car is a kind of exoskellet, so its psycholocically an extention/part of your body. taking it away is like an amputation... i can understand that... thats the reason, why i never made the licesne
07:50 <Lucifer> so cities, in periods of growth (like, say, the 50s), built into suburbs and shit
07:50 <Lucifer> let me put it to you like this
07:50 <Lucifer> most people around here drive down the freeway to go to work, and they get stuck in rush hour traffic
07:50 <Lucifer> time spent commuting: 1.5 hours or more
07:50 <Lucifer> I think that's both ways
07:51 <corewar> only, because everybody is made to believe, that they have to go to work 6 days a week
07:51 <Lucifer> they're in stop and go traffic, their inner dickheads are coming out, and they get to work/home already stressed out from the drive
07:51 <corewar> the OPPONENTS of that theory said, its 8hrs/week
07:51 <Lucifer> they're sitting on their asses that whole time, even
07:51 <Lucifer> I spend an hour commuting, each day
07:51 <corewar> guess, what they said, when someone asked "so why do we work so much"
07:51 <Lucifer> I get to work and I'm all hyped up, I've had a wonderful ride, and I'm all fired up
07:51 <Lucifer> when I get home, I don't have to sit and relax and recover from a traumatic drive home
07:51 <corewar> "People need to be busy or they would start doing stupid things"
07:52 <corewar> i prefer to work on myself
07:52 <Lucifer> well, I can tell you why I work more than 8 hours a week
07:52 <corewar> i am never bored
07:52 <Lucifer> I work at a school :)
07:52 <Lucifer> and I love my job, and can't imagine many other ways to spend that time that would be more satisfying
07:52 <corewar> especially in this job i can imagine that very well
07:52 <corewar> i love programming, too
07:53 <corewar> couldnt live without
07:53 <corewar> well..,. nobody wants to forbid work
07:53 <Lucifer> I'm going to have to recommend to everybody in the world to restructure your lifestyle around a bicycle commute
07:53 <corewar> but the need is simply constructed to keep people from thinking
07:53 <Lucifer> in my experience, most people don't want to think
07:54 <Lucifer> they want to be told what to think
07:54 <corewar> they are tought to
07:54 <corewar> to not thing
07:54 <Lucifer> but I usually use that as an argument against the public education system in the US
07:54 <corewar> give me power over all media on the world, and after 5 years we live in utopia
07:54 <corewar> it would work
07:54 <corewar> its brainwash
07:54 <Lucifer> isn't that what Lenin said?
07:54 <corewar> look at theprograms in tv
07:55 <corewar> teletubbies
07:55 <corewar> judges
07:55 <corewar> soaps with people that cant solve the simples social problems
07:55 <corewar> and they lough about that
07:55 <corewar> i dont think its funny, if someone gets kicket in his balls
07:55 <corewar> just - not - funny
07:56 <corewar> well
07:56  * Lucifer kicks corewar in the balls
07:56 <corewar> i am not holy either
07:56 <Lucifer> it was funny when the guy I was fencing with hit one of my balls dead on when he was slapping his foil up to try to hit me again
07:56 <corewar> everybody is an idiot from time to time... thats human nature, i guess
07:56 <Lucifer> it was even funnier when the judges ruled that I still managed to get a touch
07:56 <Lucifer> and then fell to the ground
07:56 <Lucifer> afterwards, I told him I'd already been cut, didn't need another one!
07:57 <corewar> heheh
07:57 <corewar> i was refering to jackass
07:57 <corewar> people liked it really
07:57 <corewar> i can only wonder, why
07:57 <Lucifer> heh, well, I've gotta go
07:58 <Lucifer> I need to get to bed so I can be up at 7am
07:58 <Lucifer> my kids are coming to see me tomorrow :)
07:58 <corewar> carry the light, luci
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08:30 <akira_arma> http://www.gulli.com/img/DHS_HomelandSecurity1492.jpg
08:30 <akira_arma> :)
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10:32  * Flex headshots arrow.
10:33  * arrow jumps behind his table and throws hand granade back
10:33 <Flex> cheater, how do you know where the granade is without a head! :p
10:34 <arrow> u see that eye near to ur foot?;)
10:34 <Flex> the squished one?
10:34 <arrow> :D
10:34 <arrow> no the second one
10:34 <arrow> i can still see u ;)
10:34 <arrow> u will not find it :D
10:35 <Flex> nope, don't see it.. oh wait it's under my foot!
10:35  * arrow feels that 
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15:08 <akira_arma> http://qoogle.eu/wahrheit//alternative-medien-dokus-videos/zeitgeist-2-addendum-englisch-neu.html
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16:01 <_Ratchet> good mornin
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18:19 <akira_arma> http://interviewpalin.com/
18:19 <akira_arma> xD
18:21 <luke-jr_> …
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19:31 <madmax> Lucifer: your website points to 192.168.1.1
19:32 <luke-jr_> lol
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19:43 <K-Yo> hmmm
19:43 <K-Yo> anyone here knows how I can launch a brute-force attack to a ftp server?
19:44 <epsy> rm -Rf /
19:44 <epsy> er wait
19:44 <luke-jr_> /kick K-Yo
19:44 <epsy> actually it's
19:44 <epsy> rm -Rf / <ftpserver>
19:44 <K-Yo> epsy,  -.-
19:44 <epsy> or
19:44 <epsy> rm -Rf / user@ftpserver
19:44 <epsy> if you know an username
19:44 <K-Yo> nah it is not a bad intention
19:44 <K-Yo> I can show you the site, and explain my motivation!
19:45 <epsy> when will we discover a proccess to authenticate intention, when..
19:45 <K-Yo> http://mpsi1.condorcet.free.fr/
19:45 <K-Yo> that has been done 2 years ago
19:46 <K-Yo> by http://mpsi2.condorcet.free.fr/
19:46 <epsy> you'd better ask the staff
19:46 <K-Yo> (bastards)
19:46 <K-Yo> heh
19:46 <epsy> if you brute force you're just likely to get radiated
19:46 <K-Yo> what staff?
19:46 <K-Yo> free?
19:46 <epsy> the free.fr staff?
19:46 <K-Yo> nowai
19:46 <epsy> well, google's your friend
19:46 <K-Yo> I'll have to wait years for an answer, and when I get it it will be: "you have no rights to do this"
19:46 <K-Yo> yeah
19:46 <K-Yo> I think that's how I'll do it :P
19:46 <epsy> (except for finding a new ISP when you have no internet)
19:49 <epsy> ct|kyle, yours didn't get accepted it seems
19:50 <epsy> ct|kyle, or did you fake his name?
19:50 <epsy> well, 'hide' would be more appropriate here
19:54 <luke-jr_> anyone here use Ubuntu?
19:55 <luke-jr_> …
19:55 <luke-jr_> guess not
19:55 <epsy> heh
19:55 <luke-jr_> on Gentoo, when should I move the overlay to EABI 2?
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20:38 <Durka> arg >.>
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20:39 <luke-jr_> f u durka
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20:39 <Durka> #hello
20:39 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Quote #69: "gentoo ebuild is as broken as luke-jr himself :D ~xfroggy" (added by ct|kyle at 06:23 PM, January 26, 2008)
20:39 <luke-jr_> …
20:40 <sithy> hi <x)
20:40 <luke-jr_> Durka: some bear says thanks for the lolis
20:40 <sithy> .tea
20:40 <tronner> sithy: Fortress Café - CT's clone: Players (0/32):
20:40 <Durka> some bear is a person??
20:40 <sithy> no he's a bear, silly
20:40 <Durka> o -.-
20:41 <luke-jr_> lol
20:41 <luke-jr_> Durka: xfroggy still gone eh
20:41 <luke-jr_> and appa still doesn't want his server
20:41 <luke-jr_> ?
20:41 <Durka> nope hes back
20:42 <luke-jr_> o
20:42 <luke-jr_> so xfroggy just dun want a server now too?
20:42 <Durka> idk ill ask him
20:42 <Durka> when i see him again
20:43 <luke-jr_> if he wants to resume service, he can start teh server from the web control panel, I didn't disable it, just stopped it :þ
20:43 <luke-jr_> and email me so I know
20:44 <Durka> okayz
20:44 <Durka> thanksyous
20:45 <luke-jr_> <.<
20:45 <luke-jr_> LINKING VM!
20:45 <luke-jr_> :O
20:53 <Durka> hey luke-jr_
20:53 <luke-jr_> NO
20:53 <Durka> i have new builds
20:53 <Durka> 4 mack
20:54 <luke-jr_> ⁇
20:54 <luke-jr_> so upload them
20:54 <Durka> yes i cant
20:54 <Durka> i mean i havent done them yet
20:54 <Durka> when i build can i change the icon?
20:55 <Durka> like from that orange bike
20:55 <Durka> to a picture of luke-jr :D
20:55 <madmax> that's just wrong
20:57 <Durka> aww
20:59 <akira_arma> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
20:59 <epsy> boooo
21:00 <epsy> new ladle settings will suck :(
21:00 <Durka> oO
21:01 <Durka> madmax:
21:01 <madmax> hm?
21:02 <Durka> er one sec
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21:06 <madmax> K-Yo: don't think your ladle #1 server is giving points for winning the round ("holding base")
21:06 <K-Yo> scoring sucks
21:06 <Durka> ur not supposed to get points for holding ur base
21:06 <epsy> remove holing points and divide everything by two
21:06 <K-Yo> score_hole 0
21:06 <madmax> I mean, it's only giving 5 points for conquering the enemy base
21:06 <Durka> just winning the round (hold/OR last active) and conq
21:06 <K-Yo> what won the poll? 10/0 or 6/4 ?
21:07 <epsy> 10/0 afaik
21:07 <hoop> nah
21:07 <Durka> WW is gonna vote that i think
21:07 <epsy> too bad, that 2v2 unconquerable wins the poll
21:07 <Durka> we just need lax teamz vote
21:07 <epsy> as if teams didn't camp enough..
21:07 <Durka> haha
21:08 <K-Yo> so score?
21:08 <epsy> cough cough ctough cough
21:08 <K-Yo> fortress_conquered_score?
21:08 <K-Yo> .cfg2 fortress_con
21:08 <tronner> K-Yo: FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_MIN: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_RATIO: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_CONQUERED_WIN: UNDOCUMENTED || FORTRESS_CONQUEST_DECAY_RATE: Rate a fortress zone "recovers" from being conquered || FORTRESS_CONQUEST_RATE: Rate a fortress zone gets conquered with for each enemy in it || FORTRESS_CONQUEST_TIMEOUT: (1 more message)
21:09 <K-Yo> .cfg2 score_wi
21:09 <tronner> K-Yo: SCORE_WIN: What you get for winning a round || SP_SCORE_WIN: What you get for winning a round in single player mode
21:10 <epsy> this ladle will suck
21:10 <epsy> hopefully, we're motivated
21:10 <hoop> YOU SUCK
21:10 <epsy> well, 'we' as 'you'
21:11 <K-Yo> cmon epsy, one setting won't change all the ladle :/
21:11 <epsy> that setting really affects gameplay
21:12 <epsy> more than anything else, like holing points or win points
21:13 <luke-jr_> HAPPY BIRTHAY EPSY!
21:13 <epsy> ty
21:13 <epsy> bit late, trough
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21:14 <K-Yo> oh it was ur bd ?
21:14 <K-Yo> happy bday ;)
21:14 <epsy> oooh that's my birthday present?
21:14 <ivantis2> well
21:14 <K-Yo> I give you a virtual present
21:14 <ivantis2> guess what?
21:14 <ivantis2> i found it
21:14 <K-Yo> \o/ <- a guy cheering up
21:14 <epsy> that birthday present isn't on my ignore list :-(
21:15 <K-Yo> ;)
21:15 <luke-jr_> lol
21:19 <ivantis2> does mac have support for Gtk?
21:19 <luke-jr_> GTK SUCKS
21:19 <madmax> here we go again
21:19 <ivantis2> you made your point
21:19 <ivantis2> and want me to use Qt, i got it
21:20 <ivantis2> well Mr. Qt, where should i learn Qt? got any good sites?
21:20 <epsy> gtk should work on osx
21:20 <K-Yo> madmax,  updated
21:20 <ivantis2> but dont i need to install something?
21:20 <epsy> don't ask me how, trough
21:20 <ivantis2> ive done it with X11 forwarding
21:20 <epsy> ivantis2, yes, you need to install gtk
21:21 <ivantis2> from my ubuntu
21:21 <madmax> gtk on os x needs x11, which sucks
21:21 <epsy> K-Yo, UNSILENCE ? :O
21:21 <ivantis2> madmax: using os x?
21:21 <K-Yo> epsy,  nope
21:21 <ivantis2> X11 is reasonably slow on os x
21:21 <K-Yo> epsy,  I changed only the config file
21:21 <epsy> oh
21:21 <K-Yo> epsy,  maybe we'll bring arma up to date next week
21:22 <ivantis2> and, if you use os 10.4* then you need to do something weird
21:22 <K-Yo> because you might create a thousand new commands until then :P
21:22 <ivantis2> apple.com doesnt have the right download for 10.4
21:22 <epsy> until then i can hardcode conquerable settings in :D
21:22 <madmax> ivantis2: yes
21:22 <madmax> huh, yes it does
21:22 <madmax> and it's on the tiger CD
21:22 <madmax> er, DVD
21:22 <epsy> er, blueray
21:23 <ivantis2> oh yeah, i forgot to ask, has anyone compiled my hacked server from bzr?
21:23 <epsy> no?
21:23 <ivantis2> well, i guess that still means there is only one server using it
21:23 <ivantis2> #sd space-lab
21:23 <armabot> ivantis2: SPACE-LAB Shooting!: Players (0/8):
21:23 <ivantis2> still empty
21:23 <Durka> epsy:
21:23 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=199514#199514
21:24 <ivantis2> my nice high latency server :)
21:24 <ivantis2> btw luke-jr_
21:24 <ivantis2> still there?
21:24 <luke-jr_> …
21:24 <luke-jr_> no
21:24 <ivantis2> you never gave me your opinion
21:24 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: I already linked the Qt docs a while ago
21:24 <ivantis2> should i buy my own server,
21:24 <ivantis2> or
21:24 <ivantis2> rent one from a place
21:24 <luke-jr_> Qt works natively on Linux, Mac, and Windows
21:25 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: rent one from me
21:25 <epsy> Durka, you should join #armagetron.tourneys :P
21:25 <ivantis2> no i mean a full server
21:25 <ivantis2> not an arma server
21:25 <luke-jr_> why?
21:25 <epsy> omg but whut abut os/2 ??
21:25 <ivantis2> for stuff
21:25 <ivantis2> backup
21:25 <madmax> ivantis2: there's also this recently: http://www.gtk-osx.org/
21:25 <epsy> everybodi iz racist with os/2 !
21:25 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: there are cheaper dedicated backup services
21:26 <ivantis2> luke-jr_: do you have experience setting up a server?
21:26 <Durka> madmax: http://durkas.info/solar/cycles/renders/
21:26 <ivantis2> i mean the kind that you buy in a unit, put on a rack
21:26 <Durka> which should i use as the icon? :P
21:26 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: if you want to make a list of things you want to do, I'll make an offer for me providing the service ;)
21:26 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: yes
21:26 <Durka> i dont think zman would like it tho :X
21:26 <ivantis2> i might get like a T2 line to my home
21:26 <madmax> Durka: changing it is probably not a good idea
21:27 <ivantis2> i found a company who would do that for a non-business
21:27 <Durka> yea
21:27 <Durka> maybe ill just do it for me
21:27 <Durka> k luke-jr_ ill just make a normal 0ne
21:27 <luke-jr_> Durka: ⁇?
21:27 <Durka> dun worry bout it
21:27 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: a T2 would cost like $1000/mo
21:28 <ivantis2> yeah
21:28 <ivantis2> but then i could rent them out
21:28 <ivantis2> that would be so
21:28 <ivantis2> ...
21:28 <ivantis2> interesting
21:28 <luke-jr_> good luck getting $1000/mo worth of servers hosted
21:28 <Durka> madmax: o man, how depressing is this orange?
21:28 <Durka> http://durkas.info/solar/cycles/renders/bike_cycle_group_3/orange.png
21:28 <ivantis2> start a business
21:28 <ivantis2> kind of like you
21:28 <luke-jr_> in fact, a T2 wouldn't have enough bandwidth for that many server
21:28 <ivantis2> except full server
21:28 <luke-jr_> uh, wtf?
21:28 <Durka> wtf?
21:29 <Durka> backwards?
21:29 <Durka> http://durkas.info/solar/cycles/renders/bike_cycle_group_4/pink.png
21:29 <madmax> Durka: don't think that's orange, that's lameorange
21:29 <luke-jr_> you mean you want a datacenter?
21:29 <ivantis2> dude, its just an idea
21:29 <ivantis2> yes
21:29 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: it's an impossible idea
21:29 <madmax> Durka: who took the time to create all of those anyway?
21:29 <ivantis2> that would be really fun to do
21:29 <Durka> not me
21:29 <Durka> Solar
21:29 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: you'd need to get LOTS of funding, rent out a real office building, etc
21:29 <Durka> he like made this site
21:29 <Durka> tron.99k.org
21:29 <ivantis2> yeah
21:29 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: trust me, I've considered this before
21:29 <luke-jr_> it's not practical
21:29 <Durka> http://tron.99k.org
21:29 <Durka> clickable links ftw
21:30 <epsy> <Durka> tron.99k.org <-- that was clickable :D
21:30 <ivantis2> but do you think the people who started like slicehost said "its not practical"?
21:30 <madmax> same here
21:30 <ivantis2> anyway
21:30 <Durka> not fur meh
21:30 <luke-jr_> ivantis2: I think they had lots of $ up front
21:30 <Durka> oo i like this lime one
21:30 <Durka> http://durkas.info/solar/cycles/renders/bike_cycle_group_5/lime.png
21:30 <ivantis2> i know of a cool office building for rent in the downtown area
21:30 <Durka> heres da readme
21:30 <Durka> http://durkas.info/solar/cycles/readme.txt
21:31 <ivantis2> do internet companies give discounts if you buy a lot?
21:31 <epsy> Durka, why is armagetron advanced referenced to as armagetron advance?!
21:31 <Durka> haha this is trippy
21:31 <Durka> http://durkas.info/solar/cycles/renders/bike_cycle_group_7/green.png
21:31 <ivantis2> how would the people at datacenters make a profit if they didnt
21:31 <madmax> if you create the .icns stuff let me know
21:32 <madmax> although I don't have it in the dock anyway heh. quicksilver ftw
21:32 <Durka> epsy, idk
21:32 <Durka> quicksilver? oO
21:32 <Durka> yea that was my idea
21:33 <madmax> the almighty app for os x!?
21:33 <Durka> whats the difference between .icns and .png?
21:33 <Durka> like can u just convert? :S
21:33 <epsy> Durka, app launcher
21:33 <Durka> o shit look at these
21:33 <Durka> http://durkas.info/solar/cycles/renders/bike_cycle_group_8/minipurple.gif
21:34 <Durka> sweet, build succeeded
21:34 <madmax> you have to use Pic2Icon or something
21:34 <hoop> noob question: can i lock team blue while i am in team gold
21:34 <epsy> no
21:35 <Durka> madmax: http://mac.softpedia.com/progDownload/imgicns-Download-7918.html
21:35 <Durka> ftw
21:35 <madmax> or that
21:36 <hoop> .si fortress 2
21:36 <hoop> @si fortress 2
21:36 <teabot> hoop: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress 2: Players (5/26): akira, hoop (hoop@forums), juice keeper, noob13 (noob13@forums), speed (speedx@forums)
21:36 <tronner> hoop: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress 2: Players (5/26): akira, hoop (hoop@forums), juice keeper, noob13 (noob13@forums), speed (speedx@forums)
21:36 <epsy> haha :d
21:39 <Durka> o man
21:39 <Durka> there's a white bg on the renders
21:39 <Durka> blah
21:39 <madmax> haha
21:39 <Durka> the icns sux
21:40 <luke-jr_> wonderful, bzr isn't Free
21:42 <Durka> luke-jr_: so how can i upload these?
21:43 <luke-jr_> Durka: sftp
21:43 <luke-jr_> I think the wiki sez
21:43 <Durka> sez what?
21:43 <Durka> and yes i has sftp
21:43 <luke-jr_> how to
21:44 <Durka> what should i search on the wiki?
21:45 <Durka> :|
21:45 <luke-jr_> uuh
21:45 <luke-jr_> releases.php
21:45 <luke-jr_> ☺
21:45 <Durka> ???
21:48 <Durka> luke-jr_: -__
21:48 <Durka> -__-
21:48 <luke-jr_> Durka: what?
21:48 <Durka> u basically just told me to go rtfm
21:48 <Durka> but there is no instructions and how to upload ?
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21:49 <Durka> wb
21:49 <ivantis2> i had to join #aRmAgEtRoN
21:49 <Durka> oO
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21:54 <Durka> ,,,
21:56 <Durka> :(
21:58 <Durka> luke-jr_: ffs i wanna upload!
21:59 <luke-jr_> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/maint-info/README
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22:02 <Durka> luke-jr_: so sftp doesnt work?
22:02 <luke-jr_> it doesn't?
22:05 <Durka> arg
22:06 <Durka> whats the hostname
22:06 <Durka> and user name
22:06 <Durka> and password
22:06 <Durka> i assume the user/pass is Durka@beta.armagetronad.net and pw is lucieatsppl
22:09 <Durka> :|
22:10 <luke-jr_> there are no passwords
22:10 <luke-jr_> keys!
22:10 <luke-jr_> I think you forgot to send me yours
22:11 <Durka> yes i know i did
22:11 <Durka> u said u want my public ssh key? oO
22:13 <Durka> blah ill do this shit later
22:13 <Durka> im tired
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22:14 <luke-jr_> sigh
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23:05 <fonkay> talkative bunch
23:08 <madmax> hi fonkay!
23:09 <madmax> not playing anymore or something?
23:11 <akira_arma> well
23:11 <akira_arma> hi fonkay!
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23:42 <madmax> fonkay: that's not very talkative either
23:44 <Flex> rejected!
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23:45 <Flex> access denied!
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23:48 <madmax> :(
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