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--- Day changed Mon Sep 15 2008
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00:05 -!- hoax [n=hoax@dyn-62-56-52-246.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
00:07 <madmax> hi hoop
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00:19 <hoop> madmax: we are gonna play fort on tr
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00:52 <mib_d3od1m> anyone here
00:52 <mib_d3od1m> :X
00:52 <ivantis> im here
00:52 <ivantis> who are you?
00:52 <mib_d3od1m> ratchet!
00:52 <mib_d3od1m> hey!
00:52 <ivantis> change your name with /nick <name>
00:52 <ivantis> hey ratchet
00:52 -!- mib_d3od1m is now known as Ratchet
00:52 <Ratchet> thar =-o
00:52 -!- Ratchet is now known as Ratchett
00:53 <Ratchett> it said ratchet r taken
00:53 <Ratchett> -.-
00:53 <ivantis> hoop: im reading a Perl-GTK tutorial, i already made a text window program
00:53 <ivantis> is it about the same for all languages?
00:53 <ivantis> im best at perl
00:53 <Ratchett> hoop is here?
00:53 <ivantis> yes sir
00:53 <Ratchett> =-o
00:53 <ivantis> look on the name list on the right
00:53 <Monkey_arma> hi Ratchett
00:53 <Ratchett> they are all here?
00:54 <Ratchett> hey monkey!
00:54 <ivantis> yep
00:54 <Ratchett> wow people stay on your site like this? :X
00:54 <Ratchett> or is there a different place too
00:54 <ivantis> huh?
00:54 <ivantis> oh, your on arma.ivantis.net?
00:54 <Ratchett> yes
00:54 <Ratchett> what are you on?
00:55 <ivantis> there are programs oh this that you can download
00:55 <ivantis> im on XChat
00:55 <ivantis> of**
00:55 <Ratchett> =-o
00:55 <Ratchett> as stated on armagetron forums
00:56 <Ratchett> I have problems compiling Tron
00:56 <ivantis> well, thats what IRC is for
00:56 <ivantis> youre on windows right?
00:57 <Ratchett> Yes
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00:57 <ivantis> well
00:57 <ivantis> ask around
00:57 <ivantis> here
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00:57 <Ratchett> HOOOOOOOOOOP
00:57 <Ratchett> WAKE UP!
00:57 <Ratchett> i r need you
00:57 <ivantis> just say "hoop"
00:58 <ivantis> his computer will probably beep at him
00:58 <Ratchett> hoop
00:58 <Ratchett> hoop
00:58 <Ratchett> hoop
00:58 <Ratchett> hoop
00:58 <ivantis> hoop: that annoying ratchet guy is here to bug you
00:58 <ivantis> loljk
00:58 <ivantis> so ratchet, learning C++?
00:58 <ivantis> not C#
00:58 <ivantis> do not learn C#, it sucks
00:59 <Ratchett> well I already know some of both, So I guess I gotta swap =X
00:59 <ivantis> do you know any other computer languages?
00:59 <Ratchett> Newp
00:59 <Ratchett> learned a little ruby
00:59 <Ratchett> that's it
00:59 <ivantis> well, i started with Perl
01:00 <ivantis> go to your local library and check out some books on Perl
01:00 <ivantis> i read Learning Perl, O'Reilly publishing
01:00 <ivantis> you should start with a smaller and simpler language than C++
01:01 <Ratchett> -.-
01:01 <Ratchett> I don't want to waste time learning smaller stuff, go for the full 100 :P
01:01 <ivantis> dude
01:01 <ivantis> youre insane
01:01 <Ratchett> hahaha
01:01 <ivantis> as well as, perl is a really simple language
01:01 <ivantis> any moron could learn it
01:01 <Ratchett> btw, no local library here in the country
01:01 <Ratchett> so is C#
01:01 <Ratchett> :D
01:02 <ivantis> duh, a moron and microsoft wrote C# (er, jacked it from C++), so any moron could program it
01:02 <Ratchett> lol
01:02 <Ratchett> So I'm a moron now?
01:02 <Ratchett> :p
01:03 <ivantis> no
01:03 <ivantis> but
01:03 <ivantis> anyone can learn perl
01:04 <ivantis> in fact, im programming it right now
01:04 <ivantis> also, learn php
01:04 <Ratchett> hey how to
01:04 <Ratchett> connect to this
01:04 <ivantis> dont dive into C++
01:04 <ivantis> connect to what?
01:04 <Ratchett> chat
01:04 <Ratchett> from xchat
01:04 <ivantis> did you download it?
01:04 <Ratchett> yes
01:05 <ivantis> connect to the network FreeNode
01:05 <ivantis> and type /join #armagetron
01:06 <Ratchett> having name problemz
01:06 <ivantis> /nick djfo3j2klfds
01:07 <Ratchett> =o
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01:07 <Ratchet-> GOT IT!
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01:07 <ivantis> gud
01:07 <Ratchet-> omg
01:07 <Ratchet-> colors
01:07 <Ratchet-> r blinding
01:09 <Ratchet-> hoop died
01:09 <Ratchet-> its obvious
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01:14 <Ratchet-> ivantis you still here?
01:14 <ivantis> yes
01:14 <Ratchet-> ok
01:15 <Ratchet-> you said theres a different way to compile armagetron?
01:16 <ivantis> uh
01:16 <ivantis> no
01:16 <ivantis> but ask ppl
01:16 <ivantis> i dont run windows
01:17 <Ratchet-> isn't there a way to do  it from command prompt
01:17 <ivantis> on linux
01:17 <Ratchet-> oh
01:17 <ivantis> not that i know of on windows
01:18 <Ratchet-> =-o
01:18 <Ratchet-> aw
01:37 <hoop> Ratchet-: sup?
01:38 <Ratchet-> HOOP!
01:38 <Ratchet-> =-o!
01:38 <Ratchet-> sup!
01:39 <hoop> why u calling me
01:55 <Ratchet-> I was just wanting to talk about how to Compile Armagetron...
01:55 <Ratchet-> My computer doesn't like me
01:56 <Ratchet-> It's saying theres errors with MSVS C++ AND code blocks..
01:56 <ivantis> you mean your computer is terrible windows?
01:56 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- you can get many free tools like the ones we use on linux/unix, for Windows
01:57 <Monkey_arma> www.gnu.org provide many, like the gcc compiler
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01:57 <Ratchet-> Okay so:
01:58 <Ratchet-> Get a compiler from gnu.org and try?
02:15 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- if you can get the compiler to install yes
02:15 <Ratchet-> ok
02:15 <Monkey_arma> there are many tools for Windows that are free and great
02:16 <Monkey_arma> not just gnu ones
02:16 <Monkey_arma> web browsers, paint programs, 3D modelling, sound, text editors, etc
02:17 <Monkey_arma> firefox, gimp, openoffice.org, vim are high quality examples
02:18 <Monkey_arma> oh and for IRC go to silverex.org
02:18 <Monkey_arma> that is a build/version of xchat for windows
02:18 <Monkey_arma> (IRC client)
02:19 <Flex> dude have you even used xchat on Windows? if you did, then you would know it isn't the best client for Windows
02:20 <Monkey_arma> If there is a type of program you want just ask me or others in here...we can suggest some.
02:20 <Flex> because it's not free, and limited to 30days then it locks you out.. not to even forget to mention that it's quite buggy
02:20 <Monkey_arma> flex wrong
02:20 <Monkey_arma> silverex.org is a free build
02:21 <Ratchet-> I got it from XCHAT.com
02:21 <Ratchet-> and no 30day problems displayed
02:22 <Ratchet-> LOL
02:22 <Ratchet-> not xchat.com
02:22 <Ratchet-> dont go there
02:22 <Flex> lol
02:22 <Ratchet-> by all means
02:22 <Ratchet-> its xchat.org
02:22 <hoax> idk, xchat.com looked kinda good
02:22 <Ratchet-> wow a porn site discovered on accident
02:22 <Ratchet-> nice
02:25 <Ratchet-> okay so gnu.org
02:25 <Ratchet-> is all linux stuff
02:25 <Ratchet-> I R on xp
02:27 <Monkey_arma> ratchet, they have versions for windows too
02:28 <Ratchet-> gcc.gnu.org
02:28 <Ratchet-> has windows
02:28 <Monkey_arma> http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
02:31 <Monkey_arma> http://directory.fsf.org/
02:31 <Ratchet-> That's applications MADE with GNU,I believe..
02:33 <Ratchet-> Will this do? http://webscripts.softpedia.com/script/Development-Scripts-js/Compilers/GNU-Compiler-Collection-26869.html
02:37 <Monkey_arma> probably
02:37 <Monkey_arma> why is that under scripts?
02:38 <Ratchet-> idk
02:38 <Monkey_arma> that looks old
02:38 <Monkey_arma> last updated 2007
02:38 <Ratchet-> well everything else is like ver unorganized and no direct download...
02:39 <Ratchet-> very*
02:40 <Ratchet-> g++ is what i need, Right?
02:43 <Monkey_arma> ye
02:44 <Monkey_arma> one thing about the free software world, its a fucking mess
02:44 <hoop> but a funny mess
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02:45 <Ratchet-> hoop help me out lol
02:45 <Ratchet-> what compiler
02:45 <Ratchet-> you use
02:46 <hoop> g++
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02:46 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- i think its time for you to be introduced to ubunut
02:46 <Monkey_arma> er ubuntu
02:46 <Ratchet-> care to uh braden
02:46 <Ratchet-> broaden
02:46 <Ratchet-> i am 13 years old :O
02:46 <Rogue> hey ratch.
02:46 <Ratchet-> hey rogue :D
02:46 <Monkey_arma> http://www.ubuntu.com/
02:47 <Ratchet-> is that windows?
02:47 <Monkey_arma> ubuntu is the easiest linux distribution
02:47 <hoop> no monkey! XD if ratchet laerns building on windows it'll be good
02:47 <hoop> *learns
02:47 <Ratchet-> are you on windows hoop?
02:47 <Monkey_arma> behave hoop i know you are from Microsoft
02:47 <Ratchet->  /slap monkey
02:47 <hoop> who's not?
02:47 <Ratchet->  /hug hoop
02:48 <Ratchet-> :)
02:48 <hoop> no Im on ubuntu
02:48 <Monkey_arma> ratchet, epsy, ivantis and others learnt with ubuntu
02:48 <Monkey_arma> in fact ivantis is your age
02:48 <Ratchet-> i believe you can install linux on windows?
02:48 <Ratchet-> right?
02:48 <Monkey_arma> no
02:48 <Ratchet-> :\
02:48 <hoop> you can
02:48 <Monkey_arma> you can have both on the hard disk
02:48 <Ratchet-> so you expect me to buy another computer?
02:48 <Ratchet-> ha
02:48 <Monkey_arma> there is cygwin but its complicated
02:49 <Ratchet-> money dont grow on trees
02:49 <Monkey_arma> i have windows Millenium edition and also linux on my hard disk
02:49 <Monkey_arma> are you reading what i am saying?
02:49 <Ratchet-> yes
02:49 <Ratchet-> :P
02:49 <hoop> you can install linux under windows with VMware
02:49 <Monkey_arma> dont confuse him
02:49 <hoop> that's a good choice
02:49 <Ratchet-> will it push my laptop to the limit with memory etc?
02:50 <Monkey_arma> vmware will push it
02:50 <Ratchet-> what about uninstalling
02:50 <Monkey_arma> i *strongly* recommend having both on your hard disk
02:50 <Ratchet-> possible?
02:50 <Monkey_arma> you can alter the "partitions" on your hard disk
02:50 <Monkey_arma> ubuntu should help you do that
02:50 <Monkey_arma> so you split your hard disk up into 2 sections
02:51 <Monkey_arma> one for Windows, one for linux
02:51 <Monkey_arma> what computer have you got?
02:51 <xfroggy_tr> so i install beta tron...lol, after a few times of clicking 'f' windowed/full, my windowed version is completely gone from the desktop somewhere high
02:51 <Ratchet-> which one runs defaiultly
02:51 <Ratchet-> defaultly
02:51 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- you can alter that
02:51 <Monkey_arma> on mine i get a menu to choose at the start
02:52 <Ratchet-> is linux COMPLETEly different?
02:52 <xfroggy_tr> yes
02:52 <Ratchet-> will i die trying to figure it out/
02:52 <Monkey_arma> yes and no
02:52 <xfroggy_tr> yes
02:52 <Monkey_arma> the underlying is different
02:52 <Ratchet-> so if i install this
02:52 <Ratchet-> and enable
02:52 <Monkey_arma> but ubuntu will make it nice for u
02:52 <Ratchet-> and cant work it
02:52 <Ratchet-> i die
02:52 <Monkey_arma> and you can just do mostly click with mouse
02:52 <xfroggy_tr> rip Ratchet-
02:52 <Ratchet-> lol -.-
02:52 <xfroggy_tr> :D
02:52 <Ratchet-> so how much space all this take
02:52 <Ratchet-> -.-
02:52 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- they are being naughty, ignore them
02:53 <Ratchet-> i got about 25gb left :X
02:53 <Monkey_arma> i have a 20 Gig hard disk
02:53 <Monkey_arma> with windows and 2 linuxes on
02:53 <Ratchet-> 60gb total
02:53 <Ratchet-> how about you?
02:53 <Ratchet-> so your TOTAL space is 20?
02:53 <Monkey_arma> mine is 20gig total
02:53 <Monkey_arma> ye
02:53 <Ratchet-> wow..
02:53 <Ratchet-> so 60 will work
02:53 <Ratchet-> kay
02:54 <Ratchet-> k so i download linux and ubuntu?
02:54 <Monkey_arma> ubuntu is one "distribution" of linuix
02:54 <xfroggy_tr> just ubuntu
02:54 <Ratchet-> and windows will be the same, but i can enable a linux thing and have  a totally new computer
02:54 <Ratchet-> =-o
02:54 <Ratchet-> sounds like fun
02:54 <Monkey_arma> with windows you just have one type, which is called "windows"
02:54 <Ratchet-> are my programs still here or what..
02:55 <xfroggy_tr> i believe you will be left with no computer afterwords :D
02:55 <Ratchet-> =P
02:55 <Monkey_arma> there are different types of linux, called distributions
02:55 <Ratchet-> what is linux programming code
02:55 <Monkey_arma> they each come with different software (but most have the same basic stuff) and different setup
02:55 <Ratchet-> btw hoop you still here
02:56 <Monkey_arma> linux is written in C i think
02:56 <Ratchet-> so hoop has both but programs on windows ?
02:56 <Monkey_arma> no
02:56 <hoop> I've completely removed windows
02:56 <Monkey_arma> linux itself is made in C but when using linux for programming you can use any language
02:57 <Ratchet-> so therefore i can program in c++ on windows?
02:57 <hoop> sure
02:57 <Ratchet-> but another thing, microsoft makes its tools for windows
02:57 <Ratchet-> will linux take that
02:58 <Monkey_arma> linux has all the tools you could want for free
02:58 <Ratchet-> I guess my main.... er..... confusion is
02:58 <Monkey_arma> i dont use any MS tools
02:58 <Ratchet-> what good is linux over windows
02:58 <Monkey_arma> its more reliable and everything is free
02:58 <luke-jr> …
02:58 <Ratchet-> i understand windows like 100%
02:58 <luke-jr> everything?
02:58 <hoop> first It's less painful
02:59 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: Windows has more than one type
02:59 <hoop> but windows doesn't understand you XD
02:59 <xfroggy_tr> windows rapes u blindly :O
02:59 <luke-jr> it has like Home, Business, Ultimate, etc
02:59 <Ratchet-> still not answering
02:59 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr ???
02:59 <Ratchet-> what are benefits to linux
02:59 <Ratchet-> ....
02:59 <Ratchet-> i r happy with windows
03:00 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: EVERYTHING
03:00 <Monkey_arma> they are the same just with more or less stuff
03:00 <luke-jr> more applications run on Linux
03:00 <luke-jr> Linux supports more hardware
03:00 <Monkey_arma> linux is *free* and *trustworthy* and does not crash much
03:00 <luke-jr> etc
03:00 <Ratchet-> ok so like i delete everything i put onto windows and get it on linux?
03:00 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- no keep windows also
03:00 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: specifically?
03:00 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: f that, get rid of Windows
03:00 <Ratchet-> so jsut leave windows like it is
03:00 <xfroggy_tr> luke-jr: :D
03:01 <Ratchet-> ugh
03:01 <hoop> Ratchet-: what you use the comp for?
03:01 <luke-jr> where is Lucifer when you feel like talking to him?
03:01 <luke-jr> sigh
03:01 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr no he needs to keep windows
03:01 <Ratchet-> msn tron internet
03:01 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: no
03:01 <xfroggy_tr> no he doesn't
03:01 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: MSN is fail sucks
03:01 <xfroggy_tr> Ratchet-: format C:\
03:01 <Ratchet-> i am not getting rid of windwos
03:01 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: the Internet is Linux, not Windows
03:01 <Monkey_arma> even my printer and scanner dont work on linux
03:01 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you got a way to contact Luci?
03:02 <hoop> if you use the comp just for that linux is far better than windows
03:02 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: that's your fault
03:02 <hoax> Ratchet-: watch out u about to make a lifestyle choice
03:02 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr i got them free...
03:02 <Ratchet-> i'd like to use windows for programming, unless linux can have the tools i want
03:02 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: what models?
03:02 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: Linux supports far more printers and scanners than Windows
03:02 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- linux is made for programming
03:02 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: programming on Windows is a pain
03:02 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr Lexmark Z22 printer, visioneer 440 scanner
03:03 <hoop> Ratchet-:  linux is a better platform for programming
03:03 <Ratchet-> so everyone here uses linux?
03:03 <hoop> kinda
03:03 <luke-jr> yep
03:03 <luke-jr> lol
03:03 <Monkey_arma> <-- linux
03:03 <luke-jr> Linux or Mac
03:03 <Ratchet-> so:
03:03 <Monkey_arma> they use linux or BSD or mac (same thing really)
03:03 <luke-jr> I don't know who makes the Windows arma builds
03:03 <Ratchet-> i delete everything that is luxory on windows and get on linux?
03:03 <Monkey_arma> all are unix-like
03:03 <madmax> there's also those guys who think they're cool with OS X
03:03 <hoop> lol
03:03 <Monkey_arma> back in your box please max
03:03 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: backup and important files, like documents and stuff
03:04  * madmax falls back
03:04 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: then you can install a good OS fresh
03:04 <Monkey_arma> can we make sure the mac people are locked away securely please..thx
03:04  * Ratchet- =-o
03:04 <Ratchet-> lol
03:04 <hoop> #hug madmax
03:04 <Ratchet-> linux
03:04 <Ratchet-> is
03:04 <Ratchet-> fn
03:04 <Ratchet-> huge
03:04 <Monkey_arma> no im of course joking, mac os x is very good and is a unix
03:04 <Ratchet-> i gtg to bed in about an hour lol
03:04 <Ratchet-> 694 mb
03:04 <Ratchet-> wow
03:04 <Monkey_arma> ratchet just remember ubuntu
03:05 <Ratchet-> i am downloading it..
03:05 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: huge?
03:05 <Ratchet-> :o
03:05 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: Linux itself is only about 10 MB
03:05 <luke-jr> wtf *are* you downloading?
03:05 <Ratchet-> i r getting ubuntu
03:05 <Ratchet-> ..
03:05 <luke-jr> Ubuntu is fail
03:05 <luke-jr> if any *buntu, get Kubuntu
03:05 <Monkey_arma> ignore luke
03:05 <Ratchet-> kay
03:05 <Monkey_arma> he is noob
03:05 <Ratchet-> yea like the beta site
03:05 <Ratchet-> fuck off
03:05 <Ratchet-> :)
03:05 <Monkey_arma> kubuntu is good but for you start with ubuntu
03:05 <hoop> luke-jr: kde fan?
03:05 <luke-jr> no way
03:05 <luke-jr> Ubuntu is GNOME crap
03:05 <Monkey_arma> hoop what would you recommend ?
03:06 <Monkey_arma> for noob like ratchet
03:06 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:06 <Monkey_arma> gnome or kde?
03:06 <Ratchet-> lol
03:06 <Monkey_arma> no offence ratchet
03:06 <Ratchet-> hooooop
03:06 <Ratchet->  /slap
03:06 <luke-jr> KDE pwns GNOME in every way
03:06 <hoop> I just installed the first dvd I found XD - ubuntu
03:06 <luke-jr> hoop: 694 MB isn't DVD, it's CD
03:07 <hoop> it was a dvd :P
03:07 <luke-jr> hoop: you can "try" both without installing BW
03:07 <luke-jr> BTW*
03:07 <Ratchet-> is this the right file? ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
03:07 <luke-jr> when you reboot with the CD, it will start the new OS off the CD
03:07 <Ratchet-> 694 mb
03:07 <hoop> kate pwns indeed
03:07 <luke-jr> and you can choose to install later
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03:07 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: no
03:07 <hoop> kate & co. *
03:07 <Ratchet-> well this is the file i got on ubunutu .com
03:08 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: is your PC 32-bit or 64-bit?
03:08 <luke-jr> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
03:08 <Ratchet-> i am supposed to know how
03:08 <Ratchet-> Download URL: http://ubuntu.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/ubuntu/releases/hardy/ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
03:08 <Ratchet-> Ubuntu Edition: Ubuntu 8.04.1 desktop
03:08 <Ratchet-> Computer Platform: i386
03:08 <Ratchet-> Download Location: http://ubuntu.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/ubuntu/releases/
03:08 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: what CPU?
03:08 <Ratchet-> windows xp
03:08 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr stop confusing the poor guy
03:08 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: CPU
03:08 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: Intel, AMD?
03:08 <Ratchet-> uh
03:08 <Ratchet-> intel
03:08 <Ratchet-> m
03:08 <luke-jr> Pentium M?
03:08 <Ratchet-> celeron m
03:08 <luke-jr> I think that's 32-bit
03:09 <Ratchet-> me yoo
03:09 <Ratchet-> too
03:09 <Ratchet-> :x
03:09 <Monkey_arma> ratchet just get ubuntu and ignore luke
03:09 <Ratchet-> but how big is ubuntu
03:09 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: f u
03:09 <Ratchet-> supposewd
03:09 <Ratchet-> to be
03:09 <Ratchet-> btw r the buttons and such different?
03:09 <Ratchet-> like destiny's screenshot showed
03:09 <hoop> ubuntu installs a lot of stuff you won't need, that's the matter
03:09 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr u2
03:10 <hoop> Ratchet-: you'll get used to it quikly
03:10 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- the more you learn ubuntu the more you can remove things you dont need etc
03:10 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: a f u  from luke-jr just means he loves you a lot
03:10 <hoop> XD
03:10 <Monkey_arma> he loves me???
03:10 <Monkey_arma> :0
03:10 <Monkey_arma> <3 luke
03:10 <Ratchet-> Lol
03:10 <ct|kyle> :D
03:10 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=kubuntu-kde4&arch=i386&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntu.osuosl.org%2Freleases%2F&debug=&download-button=&flavor=kubuntu
03:11 <Monkey_arma> will he give me a server as a token of his love?
03:11 <Ratchet-> is lukes link right
03:11 <Ratchet-> :x
03:11 <Monkey_arma> ratchet just follow the ubuntu site
03:11 <Ratchet-> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=desktop-lts&arch=i386&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntu.cs.wisc.edu%2Fpub%2Fmirrors%2Flinux%2Fubuntu%2Freleases%2F&debug=&download-button=
03:11 <Ratchet-> i got that..
03:11 <Monkey_arma> dont listen to luke
03:11 <Ratchet-> i r not
03:11 <Monkey_arma> download it
03:11 <Ratchet-> i am
03:11 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: not on the first f u maybe 3 or 4 down the line but you have to bring that up with him :P
03:11 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:11 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: ignore Monkey_arma
03:11 <Monkey_arma> ah ok so its just flirting now
03:12 <ct|kyle> ya
03:12 <Ratchet-> how old are you monkey
03:12 <luke-jr> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/8.04.1/kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
03:12 <ct|kyle> when he gets to die then the relationship starts to change
03:12 <hoop> just let Ratchet decide himself -.-
03:12 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: ok, hoop sez download both CDs, and try both!
03:12 <Ratchet-> i r like hoop & monkey
03:12 <Ratchet-> jr asshole!
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03:13 <Monkey_arma> ok its 700MB for the installer
03:13 <hoop> can i install kde on ubuntu?
03:13 <Monkey_arma> thats not much
03:13 <Ratchet-> i got 694
03:13 <Ratchet-> :x
03:13 <Monkey_arma> rougnhy 700
03:13 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-Z22
03:14 <Monkey_arma> yes BUT
03:14 <luke-jr> NO BUT
03:14 <Monkey_arma> the specs for the z22 were not released so the free driver has been reverse engineered
03:14 <Monkey_arma> and its only half done
03:14 <Ratchet-> hooooooooooooooooop
03:14 <luke-jr> pfft
03:14 <Monkey_arma> and as for my scanner,...
03:14 <Ratchet-> hoop
03:14 <Ratchet-> hoop
03:14 <Ratchet-> hoop
03:15 <Monkey_arma> you cant use sane
03:15 <hoop> luke-jr: can I install kde on ubuntu?
03:15 <Ratchet-> hoop halp!
03:15 <hoop> Ratchet-: I'm reading
03:15 <Ratchet-> what c++ programming tool(s) you got on yer linux
03:15 <ct|kyle> hoop: you can
03:15 <hoop> thanks
03:16 <hoop> I use kate
03:16 <ct|kyle> i think they have 4.0 (shit) and 3.5.*
03:16 <hoop> (editor)
03:16 <Ratchet-> ugh
03:16 <Ratchet-> i like microsofts program any like that?
03:16 <GodTodd> luke-jr, i might, why?
03:16 <Ratchet-> that thing is idiot proof
03:16 <Ratchet-> :\
03:16 <hoop> what program?
03:16 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: all C++ is Linux
03:16 <Ratchet-> MSVS
03:16 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: 4.1 is nice
03:16 <Ratchet-> Microsoft Visual Studio Express
03:16 <hoop> forget it
03:16 <Ratchet-> 2008
03:16 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: that's not C++, it's a lame joke
03:17 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:17 <hoop> kdevelop
03:17 <hoop> ^^ project manager
03:17 <Ratchet-> is there any
03:17 <Ratchet-> er
03:17 <Ratchet-> ones with "Forms" programs
03:17 <Ratchet-> and ez to design forms
03:17 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: i decided not to try it, My system was trashed at the time (java was screwed up)
03:17 <hoop> there's a kdevelop project to build arma too
03:17 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: Qt Designer
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03:18 <Ratchet-> well it seems like i won't have problems getting set up with you folks :X
03:18 <hoop> Isn't gtk better than Qt?
03:18 <luke-jr> no
03:18 <luke-jr> GTK is suck
03:18 <Ratchet-> is there a linux operating sustem?
03:18 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: no
03:18 <Ratchet-> aw
03:18 <Ratchet-> so all linuxes are
03:18 <Ratchet-> on windows
03:18 <Ratchet-> ?
03:18 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: Linux is just one program that people like to name
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03:18 <Ratchet-> or from windows
03:18  * GodTodd goes back to ignoring luke-jr then.
03:18 <Ratchet-> hey hoaz
03:18 <Ratchet-> hoax
03:18 <luke-jr> there are lots of operating systems based on GNU, but with Linux included
03:19 <hoop> luke-jr: http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/FAQ/html/index.html#id2522840
03:19 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: like Ubuntu and Kubuntu
03:19 <Ratchet-> =-o
03:19 <Ratchet-> k
03:19 <hoax> hi
03:19 <Ratchet-> so everyone here with linux
03:19 <Ratchet-> was on an origonal
03:19 <Ratchet-> windows
03:19 <Ratchet-> ?
03:19 <xfroggy_tr> no
03:19 <luke-jr> hoop: a flawed comparison
03:19 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:19 <luke-jr> hoop: Qt is not C++
03:19 <ct|kyle> xfroggy_tr: o0
03:20 <Ratchet-> i am talking about c++
03:20 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:20 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: you can write C++ too
03:20 <luke-jr> but C++ itself does not support graphical applications
03:20 <Ratchet-> ok guys i gtg take a shower
03:20 <luke-jr> Armagetron uses SDL and OpenGL for that
03:20 <Ratchet-> probably bed right after
03:20 <Ratchet-> anyways i'll leave this up and leave download going
03:21 <luke-jr> kubuntu, right?
03:21 <Ratchet-> if i leave i had to go, but i'll be back on tomorrow
03:21 <Ratchet-> afternoon
03:21 <luke-jr> wait, why is it still downloading?
03:21 <luke-jr> you should have had it in like 3 or 4 minutes..
03:21 <Ratchet-> 19% done
03:21 <Ratchet-> its hugee
03:21 <ct|kyle> i think my hard drive is going bad
03:21 <luke-jr> only a CD
03:21 <luke-jr> 700 MB
03:21 <Ratchet-> im getting it online
03:21 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:21 <luke-jr> duh
03:21 <Ratchet-> and its 694 mb downloading
03:21 <luke-jr> ok, 12 minutes or so
03:22 <Ratchet-> its got 1hour and a half left
03:22 <luke-jr> 1 MB/sec
03:22 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:22 <Ratchet-> no
03:22 <Ratchet-> 115 kb/s
03:22 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: you know you will need to burn it to a CD, right?
03:22 <luke-jr> slow
03:22 <Ratchet-> i can do that
03:22 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: download speeds are much slower on windows than on linux
03:22 <luke-jr> o
03:22 <hoax> whats he downloading, ubuntu?
03:22 <Ratchet-> yes
03:22 <hoax> why?
03:22 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: you know how to burn an ISO file correctly?
03:22 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: you're supposed to be downloading Kubuntu
03:22 <Ratchet-> i do
03:23 <Ratchet-> =o
03:23 <Ratchet-> its just
03:23 <hoax> dude if he doesnt know how to burn a cd why's he downloading linux
03:23 <Ratchet-> ubuntu..
03:23 <Ratchet-> i do
03:23 <luke-jr> [20:12:20] <luke-jr> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/8.04.1/kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
03:23 <Ratchet-> know how
03:23 <luke-jr> hoax: burning an ISO is not simply burning a CD
03:23 <Ratchet-> i gtg shower talk tomorrow or later
03:23 <hoax> meh
03:23 <Ratchet-> no more chatting now:
03:23 <hoop> night
03:23 <hoax> hf.
03:23 <Ratchet-> night<3
03:23 <Ratchet-> i will :p
03:23 <luke-jr> ♥
03:23 <Ratchet->  ♥
03:23 <hoop> luke-jr: how's Qt better?
03:24 <hoax> another convert eh...
03:24 <luke-jr> hoop: it's not slow as molasses, ugly, etc
03:24 <hoop> molasses = ?
03:24 <luke-jr> uh
03:24 <luke-jr> whatever is slow to you
03:25 <hoop> is there a Qt binding to c++?
03:26 <luke-jr> not really
03:26 <hoop> oh it is c++?
03:26 <luke-jr> Qt is backward compatible with C++ though
03:26 <luke-jr> like how C++ is backward compatible with C
03:27 <hoop> wait, I'm reading Qt is written in c++
03:28 <luke-jr> hoop: just like C++ is written in C
03:29 <hoop> I don't get the comparison XD
03:29 <luke-jr> Qt is to C++ as C++ is to C
03:29 <luke-jr> eg, you can technically use C code in a C++ app
03:29 <luke-jr> you can technically use C++ code in a Qt app
03:31 <hoop> I'm confused: gtk is a library, glade is its toolkit. What is Qt?
03:32 <ivantis> luke-jr: how do i do an exponent in perl?
03:32 <ivantis> is it just ^?
03:33 <luke-jr> hoop: Qt is a programming language
03:33 <hoop> :o
03:33 <ivantis> ??
03:33 <ivantis> luke-jr?
03:34 <Ratchet-> back everyone :D
03:34 <Ratchet-> hey ivantis
03:34 <ivantis> oh
03:34 <ivantis> its **
03:34 <ivantis> nvm luke
03:34 <hoop> luke-jr: can you use cairo with Qt, ore is there anything similar?
03:34 <Ratchet-> though i may not be here for long
03:34 <Ratchet-> hoop:
03:34 <Ratchet-> do you recommend I learn another language before c++?
03:34 <ivantis> yes
03:35 <Monkey_arma> i've just had a look at the gnome docs on ubuntu site ..how the fuck is that for beginners?
03:35 <hoop> yes
03:35 <Ratchet-> lol
03:35 <Ratchet-> ughhhh
03:35 <hoop> no
03:35 <Ratchet-> i learned alot of vb and c#
03:35 <Ratchet-> i get the.... uh ...... drift of programming
03:36 <Ratchet-> and i understand how it works
03:36 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:36 <Ratchet-> i learned a bit of ruby
03:36 <Ratchet-> as well
03:36 <hoop> I recommend you not to get stuck on one only language
03:36 <Ratchet-> i want to completely learn c++/C
03:36 <hoop> if c++ attracts you just dive in it
03:36 <Ratchet-> and then get something like php
03:36 <Ratchet-> It does
03:37 <Ratchet-> greatly
03:37 <Ratchet-> :p
03:37 <hoop> ;)
03:37 <Ratchet-> i hope to help you on that vector project
03:37 <Ratchet-> btw my shit c key is broke, any alternatives
03:39  * GodTodd wants a shit c key
03:39 <hoop> GodTodd: bring you keyb in bathroom
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03:40 <hoop> Ratchet-: I hope to, my proj team is open
03:41 <ivantis> luke-jr: ever do any gtk with perl?
03:41 <luke-jr> no, GTK sucks
03:41 <Ratchet-> well i cant learn c++ in a day tho :\
03:41 <ivantis> gtk is cool
03:41 <ivantis> and easy
03:41 <Ratchet-> but if its still open when i understand enough i wanta join
03:41  * ivantis is learning it right now
03:41 <luke-jr> hoop: you can use cairo, but I think Qt has something better
03:41 <hoop> ok
03:41 <ivantis> isnt Qt a windows language?
03:41 <hoop> no
03:42 <Ratchet-> hoop btw
03:42 <Ratchet-> nice hack with zones
03:42 <Ratchet-> i wante to try but
03:42 <Ratchet-> my computer r not let compile arma
03:42 <ivantis> what hack with zones?
03:42 <Ratchet-> wierd shapes
03:42 <ivantis> huh?
03:42 <ivantis> i never heard of it
03:42 <Ratchet-> hold
03:42 <hoop> ivantis: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18646&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
03:43 <hoop> duh, i linked page 2
03:43 <ivantis> sweet, odd shaped zones?
03:43 <Ratchet-> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18646
03:43 <Ratchet-> aw
03:43 <Ratchet-> beat me
03:43 <Ratchet-> to it
03:43 <hoop> luke-jr: I had Qt installed, looks sweet indeed
03:43 <Ratchet-> vn job hoopy :D
03:44 <hoop> thanks, nothing special though, it's a simple hack
03:44 <Ratchet-> =o-
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03:45 <hoop> ivantis: I'm afraid I have to agree with luke-jr with that gtk sucks
03:45 <luke-jr> Qt is cross-platform
03:45 <Ratchet-> what's gtk
03:45 <luke-jr> I can build an EXE without touching Windows ;)
03:45 <Monkey_arma> i just looked at ubuntu docs...hrm...that is for beginners to computing?
03:45 <hoop> Ratchet-: a C library to create GUI apps
03:46 <Ratchet-> o
03:46 <hoop> I'm using that for vectron
03:47 <hoop> luke-jr: I wish I knew that before
03:47 <Monkey_arma> ratchet a programming 'library' contains things that you can use that other people have made
03:48 <luke-jr> hoop: ?
03:48 <Ratchet-> i kno
03:48 <Ratchet-> monkey
03:48 <Ratchet-> :p
03:48 <hoop> luke-jr: I wish I knew Qt before beginning to learn gtk
03:49 <ivantis> gtk rules
03:49 <hoop> Ratchet-: you asked for help, now you won't get rid of Monkey easily XD
03:49 <ivantis> shut up
03:49 <ivantis> luke-jr: why do you think it sucks?
03:49 <Ratchet-> im glad hes willing to help :)
03:49  * hoop 's kidding
03:49 <Ratchet-> lol
03:50  * Ratchet- =-o
03:50 <Monkey_arma> hey most 13 year olds dont know what a programming library is
03:51 <Monkey_arma> looking at ubuntu site i thought it would be all point and click and easy for beginners. its not...it seems to be for computer geeks like other linuxes
03:51 <luke-jr> ivantis: it's slow and ugly
03:51 <luke-jr> ivantis: and poorly designed
03:51 <ivantis> youre slow and ugly
03:51 <luke-jr> /ignore ivantis
03:52 <hoop> ivantis: did you try alternatives?
03:52 <ivantis> most 13 year olds dont know what a programming library is, pshaw
03:52 <ivantis> hoop: just this morning you told me to learn gtk!
03:52 <hoop> then?
03:53 <Monkey_arma>  pshaw?
03:53 <ivantis> you heard me
03:54 <Monkey_arma> what is pshaw?
03:54 <hoop> you won't lose time learning something
03:54 <hoop> I guess pshaw = -.-
03:54 <Ratchet-> pshaw
03:54 <Ratchet-> is like
03:54 <Ratchet-> Pffff
03:54 <Ratchet-> in disbelieve i believe would fit
03:54 <Monkey_arma> well for any non computer geeks reading this i have now come to  decision.....get a mac!
03:55 <Ratchet-> -.-
03:55 <hoop> <most 13 year olds dont know what a programming library is> is just the truth
03:55 <Monkey_arma> yes madmax you heard me right...a mac!
03:55 <Ratchet-> most 13 year olds
03:55 <Ratchet-> dont know how to open paint on their computer
03:55 <madmax> what is this mac you speak of?
03:55 <hoop> indeed most people in the world don't know what a library is
03:55 <Ratchet-> most 13 year olds would look at you stupidly if you mentioned programming
03:56 <Monkey_arma> i am recommending macs to non computer geeks over linux
03:56 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: fail
03:56 <luke-jr> anyhow, Qt apps work on Mac too
03:56 <Monkey_arma> os x can be easy or hard ...depending on what you like
03:56 <Monkey_arma> and im a linux user
03:56 <Monkey_arma> so im not biased
03:57 <hoop> luke-jr: I can build an EXE without touching Windows > how??
03:57 <Monkey_arma> but i do hate linux in some ways
03:57 <Ratchet-> Luke Jr
03:57 <Ratchet-> tell your dev mates to get the boot out their ass and finish
03:57 <Ratchet-> i'm ancious
03:57 <Ratchet-> =p
03:57 <Ratchet-> anxious*
03:57 <ivantis> hoop: wine probly
03:57 <luke-jr> hoop: qmake -spec win32-mingw32 && make
03:57 <Monkey_arma> ratchet wine is a program for linux that can run many windows programs
03:57 <Ratchet-> =-o
03:58 <Ratchet-> i wont need that
03:58 <ivantis> luke-jr: you can do that?
03:58 <Ratchet-> i'm keeping windows too
03:58 <luke-jr> ivantis: sure can
03:58 <ivantis> so i could compile windows programs on my linux to send to windows users?
03:58 <luke-jr> yep
03:58 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet- you seem computery enough to be fit for linux
03:58 <hoop> luke-jr: you need mingw installed?
03:58 <ivantis> thweet
03:58 <Ratchet-> hope so
03:58 <luke-jr> hoop: of course
03:58 <Ratchet-> is there anything for linux that runs msn
03:59 <luke-jr> MSN sucks
03:59 <Ratchet-> o.o
03:59 <hoop> Ratchet-: pidgin
03:59 <Ratchet-> but i have many people that's my only communication with them
03:59 <luke-jr> hoop: Kopete
03:59 <hoop> whatever
03:59 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: so use Kopete
03:59 <Ratchet-> first i gotta get linux
03:59 <Ratchet-> but anyways
03:59 <luke-jr> or tell them to use a standards-compliant IM
03:59 <Ratchet-> goodnight folks
04:00 <hoop> night 2
04:00 <Ratchet-> I will be leaving download going
04:00 <Ratchet-> but getting off this
04:00 <luke-jr> Ratchet-: just make sure it's kubuntu
04:00 <Ratchet-> I might have homework since i missed a few days of school ast week
04:00 <luke-jr> hoop: [ebuild     U ] cross-mingw32/mingw-runtime-3.15 [3.14] 0 kB ⚀
04:00 <Ratchet-> last*
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04:02 <hoop> luke-jr: what's that?
04:06 <Flex> why kubuntu, luke-jr? what's so bad about unbuntu..
04:07 <luke-jr> GNOME
04:07 <Flex> so?
04:07 <luke-jr> hoop: mingw
04:07 <luke-jr> Flex: so it sucks
04:07 <Flex> no it don't
04:07 <luke-jr> f u'
04:07 <Flex> no u
04:08 <Flex> it's better for him to go with ubuntu due to the extra assistance
04:09 <hoop> luke-jr: what would you use with qt as I use cairo with gtk?
04:10 <luke-jr> the terms "QPainter" and "Arthur" come up
04:10 <hoop> ok thanks for precious infos luke-jr
04:13 <hoop> lol glade is a dumb kid compared to qt designer
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14:27 <ivantis> why recommend Kubuntu to Ratchet??
14:28 <ivantis> luke-jr: KDE isnt better than gnome
14:28 <ivantis> just face it
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14:34 <armabot> Flex you have -998 new messages. First sent on Tue Nov  2 03:27:28 1993.
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15:01 <Monkey_arma> wb armabot!
15:02 <Monkey_arma> <3
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15:27 <hoop> can I burn a cd ISO to a dvd?
15:28 <hoax> yeah
15:28 <hoax> hmm...
15:28 <hoax> #tea
15:28 <armabot> hoax: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe” at the moment, sorry.
15:28 <hoop> I mean a booting cd, will it work?
15:28 <hoax> aw
15:28 <hoax> aye
15:29 <hoop> suresuresure?
15:29 <hoax> i burn distros to dvds all the time
15:29 <hoax> when they cd isos
15:29 <hoop> ok =)
15:29 <hoop> f u
15:29 <hoax> np :P
15:30 <hoax> hoop what u burning
15:30 <hoax> anythin interesting
15:31 <hoop> shh... kubuntu
15:31 <hoax> ew :|
15:32 <hoop> well, qt pwns gtk so I want to try kde
15:32 <hoax> StickyNoob's on kubuntu
15:32 <StickyNoob> yo
15:32 <hoop> yos
15:33 <hoop> hoax, shall I invite him for a tea?
15:33 <hoax> sure :D
15:33 <luke-jr> ivantis: not my fault if you're too stupid
15:33 <hoop> hmm, where u live StickyNoob
15:33 <StickyNoob> i stopped burning to cds after i actualy stacked up all the old distro cds up and realised how many ive wasted
15:34 <StickyNoob> hoop: england
15:34 <hoop> hmmm, too far I'm sorry X)
15:34 <StickyNoob> then i learnt how to install from a partition
15:34 <luke-jr> I'd rather waste CDs than DVDs ;p
15:34 <hoop> yea, I hate burning cds
15:35 <hoop> luke-jr, I have no cds atm :P
15:35 <hoax> -R anyone?..^^
15:35 <luke-jr> these days, I just get Ubuntu to ship me printed Kubuntu CDs
15:35 <StickyNoob> hoop: does the computer already have a distro installed on it?
15:35 <hoop> ubuntu
15:35 <StickyNoob> install from a partiton then
15:35 <luke-jr> hoop: aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
15:36 <hoop> i was wondering if I could just install kde too
15:36 <hoop> ^^
15:36 <StickyNoob> yes you can
15:36 <StickyNoob> luke-jr: you a kubuntu man?
15:36 <hoop> will it ptrompt me at start?
15:36 <luke-jr> no
15:36 <luke-jr> *buntu doesn't support any of my hardware
15:36 <luke-jr> crappy stuff :þ
15:36 <luke-jr> hoop: probably will add it to the login screen's menu or such
15:36 <StickyNoob> aww
15:36 <hoop> too old hardware? :P
15:37 <luke-jr> hoop: not really, *buntu just has really crappy hardware support
15:37 <StickyNoob> kubuntu works great for me
15:37 <StickyNoob> they use a reasonably recent kernel dont they?
15:37 <luke-jr> I've never found a single system *buntu worked properly on
15:37 <hoop> you're not nerd enough then XD
15:37 <luke-jr> the closest I found was one where only wifi was broken
15:38 <hoop> what you on luke-jr ?
15:38 <luke-jr> Gentoo
15:38 <StickyNoob> RICER
15:38 <hoop> baaah that sucks
15:38 <luke-jr> *buntu sucks too
15:38 <luke-jr> just in different ways ;p
15:38 <luke-jr> every OS sucks
15:38 <StickyNoob> yeah ubuntu has its problems
15:38 <hoop> jk, I don't even farly know gentoo
15:39 <luke-jr> hoop: Gentoo is high maintenance
15:39 <luke-jr> you MUST keep it up to date
15:39 <luke-jr> and doing so often requires manual fixing of problems
15:39 <StickyNoob> hoop: its a lot more "hands on" than things like ubuntu, suse, mandrake
15:39 <hoop> how about debian?
15:39 <StickyNoob> debian is ubuntu
15:39 <luke-jr> Debian is basically *buntu, but you don't need to be an idiot
15:40 <StickyNoob> actualy ill rephrase that
15:40 <luke-jr> lol
15:40 <hoop> fedora?
15:40 <StickyNoob> ubuntu is debian
15:40 <luke-jr> Fedora is a waste of time
15:40 <hoop> ^^
15:40 <luke-jr> bbl
15:41 <hoop> so, I guess you download an ISO, create a partition, put the ISO in there and launch it?
15:41 <StickyNoob> ubuntu take 99.9% of debian then add some nicetys for the less l33t users
15:41 <StickyNoob> hoop: yes, you have to point grub at it
15:41 <hoax> just get ubuntu
15:42 <hoop> already
15:42 <hoax> you can even load it from your windows partition these days
15:42 <hoop> I don't like it so much, but I don't want to care about maintenance
15:42 <hoax> since when did it read ntfs :o
15:42 <hoax> hoop you used linux before?
15:43 <hoop> for like 3 years
15:45 <hoax> lol, wtf then
15:46 <hoop> wtf is a CTCP VERSION?
15:46 <hoop> hoax, I was asking about installin kubuntu, not linux :P
15:47 <hoax> oh alright
15:48 <hoax> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTCP :>
15:48 <hoop> <3
15:48 <hoax> :D
15:49 <hoop> hoax,  why I'm receiving that from you?
15:50 <hoop> ah, ok
15:50 <hoop> do you own business then
15:50 <hoax> lol?
15:50 <hoop> #hug hoax
15:51  * hoax slaps hoop around a bit with a large trout
15:52  * hoop cries but likes the trout
15:52 <hoax> xD
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18:25 <Monkey_arma> what idiot decided to let dreadlord try out for CT?
18:26 <epsy> oh you wanted him in your clan?
18:27 <Monkey_arma> hehe
18:27 <Monkey_arma> damn you got me
18:27 <Monkey_arma> i wanted dreadlord
18:27 <epsy> ah, tell us about your clan
18:28 <Monkey_arma> its a clan for fucking idiots
18:28 <Monkey_arma> i was gonna get ady but CT got him too
18:29 <Monkey_arma> i think they are spying on my plans and taking the players before i can
18:29 <epsy> oh, so you have a spy in your team?
18:30 <Monkey_arma> maybe hmm
18:30  * Monkey_arma thinks
18:30 <epsy> Monkey_arma reveals to be a spy of himself :O
18:31 <Monkey_arma> oO
18:31 <Monkey_arma> omg i am telling ct my plans behind my back
18:31 <Monkey_arma> i knew i couldnt trust myself
18:34 <hoax> what's he done?
18:34 <epsy> hax
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18:35 <epsy> 'lu aa_voodoo
18:35 <aa_voodoo> salut epsy ;)
18:37 <aa_voodoo> epsy, have you noticed that the sty branch is all shuffled ? :(
18:38 <epsy> what do you mean?
18:39 <aa_voodoo> previous revision are out of order ...
18:39 <aa_voodoo> revisions
18:39 <epsy> out of order?
18:40 <epsy> we can shop revisions now? :o
18:40 <aa_voodoo> :) yeah I mean all shuffled ... they are not in the same order anymore
18:41 <epsy> what are you trying to do?
18:41 <aa_voodoo> I was looking to merge last sty branche revisions to sty+ct but it's really tricky now
18:42 <epsy> erm, changes happened on the 0.2.8 branch, you should merge them directly from there
18:45 <aa_voodoo> Well, I had to branch from sty to get the sty patch ... Now the point is that I have no idea which revision was the last we get from the sty branch as the only thing I had is a revesion n° from sty and they are not the same anymore ..
18:47 <aa_voodoo> I guess that's the shuffling issue zman talked about when he's tested bzr
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18:47 <epsy> you can still merge from 0.2.8 (now i think rebase might be better for your tasks)
18:47 <epsy> aa_voodoo, did you try a bzr pull?
18:48 <aa_voodoo> no, let me check this command ...
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20:36 <luke-jr> zThread seems to be unmaintained
20:36 <luke-jr> last release in 2005
20:36 <luke-jr> -.-
20:37 <luke-jr> so time to port to standard pthreads
20:38 <hoop> luke-jr, why you don't install zthread in your servers?
20:39 <luke-jr> hoop: because Debian doesn't support it
20:41 <hoop> I've tried kde, with a res higher than 1024*768 it does weird pixels on bottom :S
20:42 <luke-jr> relogin
20:42 <luke-jr> 4.1 still has bugs
20:42 <hoop> it seems radeon 9200 isn't installed by default, may be that?
20:42 <hoop> i think it's 3.5
20:42 <hoop> I intalled kubuntu-desktop
20:45 <luke-jr> …
20:45 <luke-jr> wtf do you even mean?
20:45 <luke-jr> KDE doesn't do anything with video cards directly
20:45 <hoop> but I'll try again later. I didn't notice anything special though, perhaps kubuntu-desk is not the best way to use kde
20:45 <hoop> 3.5.10
20:47 <Ttech> ah
20:47 <Ttech> dk342j I
20:47 <Ttech> 2 i2 ashf aoias dji
20:47 <Ttech> anhoirq2 9j
20:47 <Ttech> damn oops
20:47 <Ttech> hoop, KDE 4 is in the Ubuntu Reops
20:48 <hoop> I don't know really, the monitor config doesn't display 9200 drivers
20:48 <hoop> on gnome I haven't such problem
20:49 <Monkey_arma> <-- has ATI Radeon 9200
20:50 <hoop> Ttech, I installed kdesktop though, bad choice?
20:50 <Ttech> 0.o
20:50 <Ttech> kubuntu should have kde4
20:50 <hoop> i'm running ubuntu
20:51 <Ttech> mmmm
20:51 <Ttech> that's why
20:51 <Ttech> Kbutnu has the latest
20:51 <Ttech> (odd something) lol
20:51 <luke-jr> hoop: what monitor config?
20:51 <luke-jr> that doesn't exist in KDE 3.5 AFAIK
20:51 <luke-jr> also
20:51 <luke-jr> 9200 is a video card
20:51 <luke-jr> not a monitor
20:53 <hoop> I mean monitor configuration, where you set the resolution
20:54 <hoop> there is a button to enter card driver settings, well I switched back to gnome now so I can't tell exactly
20:55 <luke-jr> has nothing ot do with video card
20:55 <hoop> should I install the kde package too?
20:56 <luke-jr> …
20:57 <hoop> ok lol, forgive the noob
20:58 <hoop> eek, it's gonna use 481 Mb does it make sense?
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21:00 <Monkey_arma> my sound setup is fucked
21:00 <hoop> mine too
21:01 <hoop> solution: pwer off the speakers
21:02 <Monkey_arma> no its not that
21:02 <Monkey_arma> ive fixed it now
21:02 <Monkey_arma> bloody alsa
21:02  * Monkey_arma is actually listening to music!
21:03 <Monkey_arma> Free house and techno <3
21:03 <hoop> that's why it was fucked
21:05 <epsy>  \o/
21:05 <Monkey_arma> heh i've found a bug in audacious
21:05 <Monkey_arma> ffs
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21:06 <Monkey_arma> (audacious:10090): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
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21:20 <luke-jr> so who wants to test pthread armathentication?
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21:33 <luke-jr> oh well, it's in 0.2.8 branch
21:33 <luke-jr> please test
21:36 <Monkey_arma> http://www.gnu.org/fry/happy-birthday-to-gnu.html
21:37 <Monkey_arma> see, you dont need flash for videos!
21:37 <Monkey_arma> tell 'em luke
21:40 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r885 pthread support for armathentication; someone please test
21:41 <epsy> luke-jr, 0.2.8 was *supposed* to be stable
21:41 <epsy> :P :)
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21:50 <epsy> luke-jr, it failed telling me that pthreads wasn't installed on my comp
21:50 <epsy> checking
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21:55 <epsy> and indeed, pth isn't installed
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22:01 <epsy> you got the l33t irc-pen!
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22:13 <epsy> luke-jr, http://armagetronad.pastebin.com/d7cfaafc3
22:13 <epsy> --enable-dedicated --enable-authentication
22:16 <epsy> $ find `pth-config --includedir`/ -name pth*
22:16 <epsy> /usr/include/pthread.h
22:16 <epsy> /usr/include/pth.h
22:16 <epsy> /usr/include/bits/pthreadtypes.h
22:23  * ivantis got out of P.E. 13 minutes ago
22:24 <ivantis> how is 16 seconds for the 40 meter dash?
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23:11 <madmax> n9?
23:12 <hoop> who knows knoppix_
23:12 <hoop> I`ve messed up my ubuntu, can`t even login now :(
23:12 <Ttech> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot me
23:13 <hoop> can I modify files using a livecd?
23:13 <Lucifer_pen> !math calc 40/16
23:13 <ivantis> hoop: how did you mess it up?
23:13 <Lucifer_pen> is there a bot here that can do math?
23:13 <ivantis> hoop: no, you cant
23:13 <Lucifer_pen> #math calc 40/16
23:13 <armabot> Lucifer_pen: 2.5
23:13 <ivantis> lucifer: teabot can, @calc
23:13  * Lucifer_pen didn't notice armabot was back
23:14 <Lucifer_pen> so you averages 2.5 m/s on your run
23:14 <ivantis> i guess
23:14 <ivantis> i walked it
23:14 <hoop> ivantis, are you sure?
23:14 <Lucifer_pen> heh, I was gonna say that sounded like a fast walk :)
23:14 <ivantis> hoop: pretty sure
23:15 <ivantis> how is it messed up?
23:15 <ivantis> whats happening? i run ubuntu
23:15 <hoop> cannot login
23:15 <ivantis> hmm
23:15 <ivantis> what does it do?
23:15 <hoop> i installed kde
23:15  * Lucifer_pen is thinking about getting a haircut
23:15 <ivantis> say wrong password?
23:15  * Lucifer_pen wants to make sure he really wants it, and isn't just doing it to make his wife mad
23:16 <ivantis> hoop, are you good with a shell prompt?
23:16 <ivantis> and what are you using now?
23:16 <hoop> I cant even use it
23:16 <hoop> a livecd
23:16 <ivantis> do you have another computer in the house?
23:16 <hoop> It won`t let me login, it just crashes
23:16 <ivantis> do you have another computer in the house?
23:16 <hoop> for what?
23:16 <ivantis> SSH
23:17 <ivantis> ill walk you through it
23:17 <hoop> how can I ssh if this comp is off
23:17 <ivantis> dont turn it off
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23:17 <ivantis> reboot with the live cd out
23:17 <ivantis> and get on another computer
23:17 <hoop> ivantis, open your ears
23:17 <ivantis> oh, it just crashes on startup?
23:17 <hoop> yes
23:18 <ivantis> is it under a firewall?
23:18 <hoop> it whines about it can`t find my graph card drivers
23:18 <hoop> and tries to boot with low res
23:18 <ivantis> is it under an internet firewall?
23:18 <hoop> then i just get a black screen and nothing happens
23:18 <ivantis> uh
23:19 <ivantis> okay, while its booting in "low res", do the key combo Ctrl+Alt+F1
23:19 <ivantis> it will take you to a non-GUI login
23:19 <hoop> ah right
23:19 <ivantis> after you login to that, you get a shell prompt
23:19 <ivantis> you can use a shell right?
23:19 <hoop> ye
23:20 <hoop> I just suck with vim XD
23:20  * ivantis hates vim
23:20 <ivantis> use nano
23:20 <hoop> ok Im gonna try
23:20 <hoop> thanks
23:20 <ivantis> wait
23:20 <ivantis> ircii to talk if you need help
23:21 <hoop> ircii_
23:21 <ivantis> or irssi
23:21 <hoop> me hopes it works
23:21 <hoop> bbl
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23:37 <epsy> ivantis, of course he can edit files from a livecd >.<
23:37 <epsy> meh
23:37 <ivantis> really?
23:37 <epsy> of course
23:37 <ivantis> no he meant ones already on the disc
23:37 <ivantis> livecds dont touch the hard disc
23:37 <epsy> except if you tell it to
23:38 <epsy> It IS possible to edit files from a livecd! JUST EDIT THEM!
23:38 <ivantis> oh
23:38 <ivantis> well
23:38 <ivantis> too bad for him
23:38 <epsy> you just have to mount the proper devices
23:39 <ivantis> aha
23:39 <ivantis> they are located in /dev on a livecd install?
23:39 <epsy> they are ALWAYS located in dev, as soon as you have proper hdd drivers
23:39 <epsy> as long*
23:43 <epsy> gnite
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23:44 <Ratchet-> Back
23:44 <Ratchet-> hoooooooooopppppppppp
23:44 <Ratchet-> monkeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy
23:44 <Ratchet-> I burned the program onto a CD Rom
23:45 <Ratchet-> Now Installing
23:45 <Ratchet-> :X
23:45 <PinkTomato> is this ubuntu?
23:45 <Ratchet-> Yes
23:45 <PinkTomato> you check the partitioning :)?
23:45 <Ratchet-> Pardon?
23:46 <ivantis> this could be interesting
23:46 <PinkTomato> well you don't want to wipe the hard drive...
23:46 <ivantis> yes you do
23:46 <ivantis> because windows sucks
23:46 <ivantis> shut up
23:46 <Ratchet-> No no no, It said I can install it in a partion and Boot either one.
23:46 <Ratchet-> Which drive, C: Right?
23:46 <Ratchet-> It's aslomg
23:46 <PinkTomato> ah yr installing within Windows?
23:46 <Ratchet-> Asking*
23:46 <Ratchet-> Ya
23:47 <PinkTomato> so you put the disc in while windows was running?
23:47 <Ratchet-> Ivantis?
23:47 <Ratchet-> Yes
23:47 <PinkTomato> I've never installed it that wa
23:47 <PinkTomato> y
23:47 <Ratchet-> I have to
23:47 <Ratchet-> -.-
23:47 <ivantis> yes?
23:47 <Ratchet-> Installation size
23:47 <Ratchet-> Does that matter
23:47 <Ratchet-> -.-
23:47 <ivantis> you put the disc in while windows was running?
23:47 <ivantis> tisk tisk
23:47 <Ratchet-> To install it.....
23:47 <Ratchet-> It's running install program
23:47 <ivantis> no
23:47 <Ratchet-> theres no other way
23:47 <Ratchet-> -.-
23:48 <PinkTomato> It's a boot disc
23:48 <ivantis> put it in, then reboot
23:48 <PinkTomato> You can do that
23:48 <Ratchet-> motherfuckers
23:48 <Ratchet-> -.-
23:48 <Ratchet-> if this dont work someones getting raped
23:48 <Ratchet-> thats a promise
23:48 <PinkTomato> but the windows install method will work
23:48 <Ratchet-> there is nothing wrong with this
23:48 <Ratchet-> -.-
23:49 <Ratchet-> What installation size should i use
23:49 <PinkTomato> probably best to use windows installer, no need to edit the partition table
23:49 <Ratchet-> 28 Gb Free
23:49 <PinkTomato> well how big do you want?
23:49 <Ratchet-> ?!?!?!?!
23:49 <Ratchet-> I don't even know what the hell Ubuntu is.
23:49 <Ratchet-> Everyone just made me install it insisting windows sucks -.-
23:50 <PinkTomato> Ubuntu is an operating system
23:50 <Ratchet-> I gathered as much
23:50 <Ratchet-> What size would you recommend
23:50 <PinkTomato> well depends how much you'll use it
23:50 <PinkTomato> maybe 4GB
23:50 <Ratchet-> Probably alot
23:50 <PinkTomato> possible 5
23:51 <Ratchet-> I'll go with 8 for now
23:51 <PinkTomato> be wary of the words partition and format
23:51 -!- hoop [n=john@ip-157-118.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #armagetron
23:51 <Ratchet-> Hoop!
23:51 <hoop> hi!
23:51 <Ratchet-> I R installing!
23:52 <Ttech> I R heh
23:52 <Ratchet-> :O
23:52 <hoop> the ubuntu?
23:52 <Ratchet-> Ofcourse!
23:52 <hoop> teh*
23:52 <PinkTomato> hoop you get X working?
23:52  * Ttech hands hoop a Ubluntu to smoke
23:52 <Ttech> :)
23:52 <Ratchet-> I used 8 GB size.
23:52  * hoop join it
23:52 <Ratchet-> Is that good?
23:52 <hoop> no
23:52 <Ratchet-> -.-
23:52 <hoop> jk
23:52 <hoop> whats you hd space?
23:53 <Ratchet-> 28gb
23:53 <hoop> PinkTomato, X?
23:53 <Ratchet-> 60 total
23:53 <PinkTomato> Ah I meant Graphics hoop :)
23:53 <hoop> I've started launchpad project
23:54 <Ratchet-> my computer is vibrating uncontrollably
23:54 <Ratchet-> making me horny :X
23:54 <Ratchet-> lol jk
23:54 <hoop> I'm afraid I'll need to rewrite everything
23:54 <Ratchet-> =-o
23:54 <Ratchet-> :|
23:54 <Ratchet-> y
23:54 <hoop> I'd like to use Qt instead of gtk
23:55 <Ratchet-> :x
23:55 <hoop> ivantis, thanks for help, I don't know how but it's solved XD
23:55 <ivantis> cool
23:55 <Ratchet-> what was the prawblem?
23:55 <hoop> I couldn't start the OS
23:55 <Ratchet-> which'n
23:55 <PinkTomato> Just by installing KDE?
23:56 -!- arrow [n=user@adsl-dyn73.78-99-49.t-com.sk] has quit ["Leaving."]
23:56 <hoop> ubuntu, I installed kde and messed up everything, my fault probably
23:56 <PinkTomato> it shouldn't do really :)
23:56 <Ratchet-> nooooooob!
23:56 <Ratchet-> ubuntu best be good
23:56 <Ratchet-> -.-
23:56 <Ratchet-> pink you got ubuntu?
23:56 <Ratchet-> and r linux
23:56 <Ratchet-> or*
23:56 <PinkTomato> I use ubuntu
23:57 <Ratchet-> is it better than windows
23:57 <Ratchet-> :x
23:57 <PinkTomato> They both have their uses
23:57 <Ratchet-> are graphics different?
23:57 <hoop> Ratchet-, you installed it yet?
23:57 <Ratchet-> 32%
23:57 <Ratchet-> and wow this installs fast
23:57 <hoop> how do u chat then? another comp?
23:57 <Ratchet-> 1mb sec
23:57 <Ratchet-> nope
23:58 <PinkTomato> hoop, using wubi, install within windows
23:58 <hoop> :o
23:58 <Ratchet-> i will get lost in that black and white crap
23:58 <Ratchet-> and i will be doomed
23:58 <PinkTomato> Ratchet- you use a router for the internet?
23:58 <Ratchet-> i do
23:58 <PinkTomato> that's good, USB internet modems are basically a pain to install
23:59 <Ratchet-> =x
23:59 <Ratchet-> its not already installed? :X
23:59 <Ratchet-> i might have troubles then cuz i don't remember how to set up internet lawl
23:59 <Ratchet-> only the search routers and put in key
23:59 <Ratchet-> is that all ? :X
23:59 <PinkTomato> It should automatically work if it's on a router
23:59 <Ratchet-> kk
23:59 <Ratchet-> 98%
23:59 <PinkTomato> oh wait, connecting wirelessly?

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