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Log from 2008-06-23:
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04:47 <akira_arma> #armaservers
04:47 <armabot> akira_arma: This data is 19 seconds old; Wild West  =Team Sumo= (11/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), <Et3rnal.Ãll¡ånç3> Clan Server DF (9/16), Nexus9 Flag Fortress (NO RUBBER!) (7/12), Swampland Mud Puddle (7/8), zapTron (6/6), The YELLOW Submarine (6/16), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (5/10), .ReloaD'! Dog Fight (4/8), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (4/12), >>> FAST TRACK RELOADED (VERY HIGH (2 more messages)
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05:23 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Paralyzed/sumo/paralyzed-snowcone-sumo-1-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Paralyzed
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07:23 <akira_arma> Lucifer.. how do I create a bug report when my system completely locks up?
07:23 <Lucifer> First, unlock your system
07:23 <Lucifer> Second, file a bug report :)
07:23 <akira_arma> ...
07:23 <Lucifer> hang on, I have a less smart-ass response for that
07:24 <Lucifer> lemme finish this email real quick
07:25 <Lucifer> ok, ready for a serious answer?
07:25 <Lucifer> #send akira_arma a bottle of strawberry wine
07:25 <armabot> I have sent a bottle of strawberry wine to akira_arma, it should arrive shortly.
07:26 <akira_arma> ..
07:26 <akira_arma> well i guess a memeory dump would be fine
07:26 <akira_arma> memory
07:27 <akira_arma> windows version..
07:27 <akira_arma> randomly locks up completely
07:29 <Lucifer> ok, here's what you should do
07:29 <Lucifer> first, make a recording, obviously :)
07:29 <Lucifer> play it until your system locks up, then reboot
07:30 <Lucifer> upload your recording and put as much information as you can into the bug tracker
07:30 <Lucifer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad  <--- bookmark it if you need to
07:30 <Lucifer> the information we need is this:  (hopefully this list is complete)
07:30 <akira_arma> my system etc
07:31 <Lucifer> OS, including service pack if necessary, version of arma, graphics card, etc
07:31 <Lucifer> also, we need to know what you were doing
07:31 <akira_arma> playing? :)
07:31 <Lucifer> consider that the recording may not actually include the exact information we need
07:31 <akira_arma> all TSRs?
07:31 <Lucifer> you're in the spot where if the system really is locking up, then armagetron may not be writing to the recording the crucial information that shows the bug
07:31 <akira_arma> thats what i thought
07:32 <Lucifer> so if the recording doesn't show it, we need information to tell us what we can do to reproduce it
07:32 <akira_arma> it ahppens randomly
07:32 <Lucifer> the recording *will* contain your graphics card and other settings, which will be needed to determine it
07:32 <luke-jr> wtf uses TSRs these days?
07:32 <Lucifer> if it happens randomly, then you're in the spot where you shoudl record every time you play
07:32 <Lucifer> if it doesn't happen when you play, delete the recording if you need to
07:32 <akira_arma> i was just using that abbreviation for background tasks
07:32 <Lucifer> but if it does happen, reboot as needed, and then find the recording file and upload it
07:33 <akira_arma> well i dont really like playing when i have to freakin reboot every time
07:33 <akira_arma> :)
07:33 <Lucifer> if it's happening every time, then it shouldn't be too hard to get a recording of it :)
07:33 <Lucifer> within the limitations previously expressed, that is
07:33 <akira_arma> also the sounds seem to be messed up
07:34 <akira_arma> i am refering to 0.3.0 of course
07:34 <Lucifer> you might have to screw with sound settings in 0.3.0, there are some, er, what's the word
07:34 <Lucifer> I don't remember the word, had too much of my strawberry wine
07:34 <akira_arma> lol
07:35 <Lucifer> awww, no lessons scheduled for me yet
07:35 <luke-jr> 0.3.0 is obsolete
07:36 <akira_arma> ...
07:36 <akira_arma> its the latest on the beta page
07:36 <akira_arma> ---
07:37 <luke-jr> akira_arma: latest experimental release, yes
07:37 <luke-jr> you can blame Lucifer for 0.3.1 never getting released ☺
07:37 <akira_arma> why?
07:37 <luke-jr> because he was going to do it
07:38 <akira_arma> so dev has stopped?
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07:58 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Paralyzed/sumo/paralyzed-snowcone-sumo-3-3.aamap.xml: Resource by Paralyzed
08:24 <Lucifer> no, dev hasn't stopped
08:25 <Lucifer> it's just that, well, we're not apache
08:25 <Lucifer> prioritizing arma development in our personal lives puts it pretty low on the priority list
08:25 <akira_arma> understandable
08:25 <Lucifer> hell, if I could put time into arma development in the kind of piecemeal way that I can put time into making wine, I'd get a lot done
08:26 <akira_arma> its just that the last stable was released 2 years ago :)
08:26 <Lucifer> but it's not like I can just spontaneously say (as I did tonight) "It's time to bottle!", and then the next 45 minutes would be useful time for arma
08:26 <akira_arma> btw i dont like that minimap :D
08:26 <Lucifer> I love the minimap :)
08:26 <akira_arma> its irritating!
08:27 <Lucifer> and man, when I first tasted the strawberry, I didn't know it was this strong, but now I'm pretty drunk
08:27 <akira_arma> ha
08:27 <Lucifer> you can disable it, but you have to make your own cockpit to do it
08:27 <Lucifer> I think
08:27 <Lucifer> hmmm
08:27 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: is there a way in 0.3.0 to disable the minimap without making your own cockpit?  akira_arma would like to know
08:28 <Lucifer> I'm a go grab a cigarette, then I'm going to lay next to my wife and hope she's fallen asleep, because I don't think I have it in me to satisfy her tonight
08:28 <akira_arma> :D
08:28 <akira_arma> you sure type good for bneing drunk
08:30 <Lucifer> you say that only because you didn't see how many times I had to backspace :)
08:30 <Lucifer> wow, this is a really nice wine :)
08:31 <Lucifer> hey, don't forget, I've had lots of practice playing guitar while drinking, so coordinating my fingers is something I've already worked on
08:31 <akira_arma> I stopped playing my instrument long ago
08:31 <akira_arma> like
08:31 <akira_arma> 15 years?
08:31 <akira_arma> 14
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08:39 <joda_bot> akira_arma: Lucifer has an devilish, evil typing speed ... so he might hit backspace more than 6times per 1 second, while still adding characters to the message :-P
08:40 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: in a local game there is
08:46 <Lucifer> man, I've been playing steadily since I was 17
08:46 <Lucifer> now that I"m older than dirt, you'd think I was good at it :)
08:46 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: does that work for internet games too?
08:47  * Lucifer chuckles at joda_bot's characterization of his typing speed
08:47  * Lucifer needs to trim his mustache
08:48 <Lucifer> anyway, I'm going to bed.  If there's a way to disable the minimap that'll help akira_arma, I'd like akira_arma (hi there!) to learn what it is
08:48 <Lucifer> 'night
08:48 <joda_bot> Lucifer: gn8
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08:51 <akira_arma> O.o
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10:09 <akira_arma> #armaservers
10:09 <armabot> akira_arma: This data is 24 seconds old; Wild West  =Sumo= (6/14), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (4/12), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (4/12), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (3/10), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (3/16), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (3/12)
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17:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Paralyzed/sumo/paralyzed-warsumo-square-1-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Paralyzed
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17:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Paralyzed/sumo/paralyzed-warsumo-square-3-3.aamap.xml: Resource by Paralyzed
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19:17 <ivantis> hello zmanuel
19:18 <ct|kyle> ivantis:
19:19 <ivantis> what?
19:19 <ivantis> man, where is everyone?
19:19 <ct|kyle> maybe http://dcr.csusb.edu/LearningCenter/LCimages/UnitCircle.gif will help you understand what i was saying for making a circle in that map maker program
19:20 <ivantis> phoo
19:20 <ivantis> all my math, seems to have just flown south for the summer
19:20 <ivantis> anyway, i got another project right now
19:20 <ivantis> but, what about the circle?
19:20 <ivantis> i looked at that thing
19:21 <ivantis> but i dont get how it tells you where the points are
19:22 <ct|kyle> sin(angle) is the same as the y point and cos(angle) is the same as the x point
19:22 <ivantis> but thats only 2 points
19:22 <ivantis> which makes a line
19:22 <ivantis> ???
19:23 <ct|kyle> if you change the angle and go around 360 degrees you make a circle
19:23 <ivantis> kidanger_: hey
19:23 <ivantis> uh
19:23 <ivantis> i dont really have access to it right now
19:24 <ivantis> ping 63.245.166.39
19:24 <ivantis> and tell me if it responds
19:24 <kidanger_> Hey ivantis
19:24 <ivantis> hey
19:25 <ivantis> sups?
19:27 <kidanger_> From 63.245.166.39 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
19:27 <ivantis> yeah, my remote idiot forgot to turn my computer on again
19:27 <kidanger_> ^^
19:28 <ivantis> hhey kidanger_, do you use a restarting script for your server?
19:28 <kidanger_> no
19:28 <ivantis> you should
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19:29 <kidanger_> when I host my server, i am on my comp, so i see if there is a problem
19:29 <kidanger_> ( and I don't host long time )
19:29 <ivantis> i know, but sometimes you must
19:29 <ivantis> hold on...
19:31 <ivantis> go to this page i wrote http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_auto_restart
19:31 <kidanger_> 64 bytes from 63.245.166.39: icmp_seq=5 ttl=47 time=235 ms
19:31 <kidanger_> ok, thx :)
19:31 <ivantis> all right, my computer is on
19:32 <ivantis> hey StickyNo1b
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19:37 <ivantis> hey guys, look at my 'fun
19:37 <ivantis> ' project
19:37 <ivantis> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=197513
19:40 <ivantis> kidanger: are you on a computer with a client on it?
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19:44 <ivantis> ok kyle, i have access now
19:44 <ivantis> ct|kyle ct|kyle
19:44 <ivantis> alert
19:44 <ct|kyle> oi
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19:48 <kidanger> ivantis: I am
19:48 <ivantis> ok
19:48 <kidanger> why ?
19:48 <ivantis> will you test something for me?
19:49 <ivantis> im workin on a hack of the server
19:49 <kidanger> ah ?
19:49 <kidanger> I will
19:49 <ivantis> yeah, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=197513
19:49 <ivantis> thx
19:50 <ivantis> hey, what line did you use to compile the sty server, like ./configure --something? i did it before, now i cant remember
19:51 <kidanger> hum, wait
19:51 <kidanger> ./configure --prefix=/home/anger/armagetronad/$date-server/ --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts
19:51 <kidanger> ?
19:52 <ivantis> thx
19:52 <ivantis> hang on
19:53 <ivantis> ive got to re-bzr it to add all the zone stuff that im working on
19:53 <ivantis> and then compile it again
19:54 <kidanger> the sty branch ?
19:54 <ivantis> yeah, thats what im going to do the zone thing on
19:54 <kidanger> ok
19:58 <ivantis> ugh, whoever wrote gWinZone.cpp and .h (/me is thinking z-man) is not good at commenting in code
19:58 <epsy> gWinZone.cpp is guite crap indeed :P
19:58 <epsy> bbl
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19:59 <kidanger> When you finish, plz give me the path to the branch
19:59 <ivantis> what?
19:59 <ivantis> which branch?
19:59 <ivantis> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty ??
19:59 <kidanger> yes, maybe ^^
20:00 <kidanger> I compile it now ?
20:00 <ivantis> why not?
20:03 <kidanger> *configure*
20:03 <ivantis> huh?
20:04 <kidanger> *make*
20:05 <ivantis> ???
20:05 <kidanger> I'm compiling
20:06 <ivantis> o
20:06 <kidanger> =P
20:06 <kidanger> My comp is slow ...
20:07 <ivantis> wrong: compiling is slow
20:07 <kidanger> but with a fast comp, compiling is faster
20:07 <ivantis> yeah
20:07 <ivantis> like mine!!!
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20:11 <kidanger> finished !
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20:11 <kidanger> I start the server ?
20:11 <ivantis> why recompiling?
20:11 <kidanger> recompiling ? i compile your version, am I not ?
20:12 <kidanger> I had an old version
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20:14 <kidanger> ivantis: What I need to do now ?
20:16 <ivantis> oh
20:16 <ivantis> no, thats not my version
20:16 <ivantis> im working on it right now
20:16 <kidanger> ok
20:18 <kidanger> #sd danger
20:18 <armabot> kidanger: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “danger” at the moment, sorry.
20:18 <ivantis> you gotta do #sd -v <part of server name>
20:18 <ivantis> #sd -v space-lab
20:18 <armabot> ivantis: SPACE-LAB Shooting! (63.245.166.39:4537) running 0.2.8_alpha20080508 unix dedicated, url: http://arma.ivantis.net, Description: “Some Lag, some Bugs, some Idiots“, Players (0/8):
20:22 <kidanger> ok
20:22 <kidanger> ivantis: what do you want i do now ?
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20:24 <ivantis> well, right now im still working on it
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20:24 <ivantis> nothing yet
20:24 <kidanger> ok
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20:25 <ivantis> what do you think of the setting WIN_ZONE_SHRINK?
20:25 <kidanger> ? idk
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20:27 <kidanger> What does this setting do
20:27 <kidanger> ?
20:27 <ivantis> how fast the win (or death) zone will shrink
20:28 <ivantis> also WIN_ZONE_EXPANSION_TIME and WIN_ZONE_SHRINK_TIME
20:28 <ivantis> how long it will
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20:30 <kidanger> I understand what shrink is for wall, but I don't understand for zone
20:31 <ivantis> ??
20:31 <kidanger> sry for my english :s
20:31 <kidanger> #t en fr shrink
20:31 <armabot> kidanger: Error: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
20:31 <kidanger> bha
20:32 <madmax> #armaconfig cycle_rubber_wall_shrink
20:32 <armabot> madmax: CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK: With finite length trails, the used rubber is multiplied with this value and the result is subtracted from the wall length. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK differs from its default? (default: 3)
20:32 <ivantis> like this: there is a growing zone, after WIN_ZONE_EXPANSION_TIME in seconds, it will start to shrink, get me?
20:32 <madmax> that's the shrink kidanger is talking about
20:32 <ivantis> yeah, i know
20:32 <madmax> '??' didn't seem like it
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20:32 <ivantis> but /me is making new settings
20:32 <kidanger> ok
20:33 <madmax> you are making new settings?...
20:33 <kidanger> so: EXPANSION: the zone grow, SHRINK: the zone become small
20:33 <kidanger> ?
20:33 <ivantis> yeah
20:33 <madmax> we're doomed
20:33 <kidanger> ah, ok
20:33 <ivantis> yes and yes
20:33 <ivantis> did you read the forum post? bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
20:34 <ivantis> er,http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=197513
20:34 <kidanger> yes, but I don't really understand about the SHRINK word ^^
20:34 <kidanger> Now it's ok :)
20:34 <ivantis> k
20:35 <ivantis> 3 new settings: WIN_ZONE_SHRINK, WIN_ZONE_SHRINK_TIME, WIN_ZONE_EXPANSION_TIME
20:36 <ivantis> the ones ending in _time are measured in seconds how long the grow or shrink
20:36 <kidanger> WIN_ZONE_SHRINK is when the zone will shrink ?
20:37 <ivantis> how fast it will shrink
20:37 <kidanger> ah >.< k
20:37  * kidanger is stupid ..
20:37 <ivantis> hey, anyone know how to add the manual pages for commands?
20:37 <ivantis> UNDOCUMENTED is not good enough for me
20:38 <kidanger> it's in a file, I think it's language file
20:38 <ivantis> k
20:39 <kidanger> Good Luck ;)
20:39 <ivantis> when the pig added all those commands, theyre all undocumented
20:39 <ivantis> haha
20:40 <akira_arma> #tea
20:40 <armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
20:41 <kidanger> Why all people like fortress ?
20:43 <ivantis> kuz fortress is fun
20:44 <ivantis> hmm, should i make the win zone rotation speed?
20:44 <ivantis> a setting?
20:45 <kidanger> and a setting to move the zone =D
20:45 <ivantis> that, would take way more effort than worth it
20:45 <ivantis> and, i have to go now
20:46 <ivantis> bbl
20:46 <kidanger> bb
20:46 <kidanger> gl
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21:20 <madmax> #seen monkey_arma
21:20 <armabot> madmax: monkey_arma was last seen in #armagetron 2 days, 2 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Monkey_arma> right cu guys wednesday/thursday
21:21 <madmax> #seen vanhayes
21:21 <armabot> madmax: vanhayes was last seen in #armagetron 12 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 13 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Vanhayes> bbl, maybe
21:21 <P4> #seen madmax
21:21 <armabot> P4: madmax was last seen in #armagetron 18 seconds ago: <madmax> #seen vanhayes
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21:27 <ivantis> grrrr! i was in the middle of the zones thing i was working on, i forgot to save it!!!!! grrr
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21:57 <ivantis> is anyone there?
21:57 <joda_bot1> yes
22:08 <ivantis> hi
22:08 <ivantis> noob13: you there?
22:09 <ivantis> zmanuel: you there?
22:10 <ivantis> StickyNo1b: you there?
22:29 <ivantis> grr
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23:35 <Durka> o_O
23:36 <Durka> luke-jr: LOLOLOL
23:36 <Durka> luke-jr is a funny man
23:38 <Durka> #m madmax portugal :\
23:38 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
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