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Log from 2008-04-29:
--- Day changed Tue Apr 29 2008
00:00 <llAMYll> just before i came on here lol
00:00 -!- blia_ [n=blia@] has joined #armagetron
00:00 <epsy> hi Nick Collision
00:00 <Monkey_arma> how many times in last 3 days?
00:00 <llAMYll> about once a day
00:00 <llAMYll> 3 times
00:00 <noob13> how does is mess up again?
00:00 <llAMYll> not today yet though
00:00 <Monkey_arma> ok do this for us amy
00:00 <noob13> i forget.
00:00 <llAMYll> if i go offline you know what happened XD
00:01 <Monkey_arma> reboot, and boot windows. Do that 4 times in a row
00:01 <StickyNoob> llAMYll: can you pastebin "smartctl -all /dev/sdb" again please
00:01 <StickyNoob> llAMYll: "sudo smartctl -all /dev/sdb" even
00:01 <Monkey_arma> make a note of if windows checks files at the start
00:01 <Monkey_arma> ok?
00:01 <llAMYll> noob13 it kind of stops and you can't open anything or run anything
00:01 <llAMYll> ahhhh too many commands :(
00:01 <llAMYll> erm..
00:01 <noob13> does this happen on both linux and windows?
00:02 <llAMYll> wheres the website you gave me yesterday?
00:02 <StickyNoob> http://rafb.net
00:02 <llAMYll> it never happened before i upgraded to hardy
00:02 <Monkey_arma> http://rafb.net/paste
00:02 <Monkey_arma> get it right :)
00:02 <llAMYll> so after i upgraded to hardy it started doing it
00:02 <Monkey_arma> hmmmm ok
00:02 <epsy> read the chan topic :P
00:02 <llAMYll> but i've never seen it happen before hardy
00:02 <Monkey_arma> so try that with windows
00:02 <noob13> and i think there's no point in booting windows 4 times. it happens when windows realises a small change in one of its drives
00:02 <Monkey_arma> amy ....
00:02 <Monkey_arma> reboot, and boot windows. Do that 4 times in a row
00:03 <Monkey_arma> make a note of if windows checks files at the start
00:03 <StickyNoob> well according to http://rafb.net/p/pAWdUd24.html yesturday she had only 2 big errors, i want to see if any more have appeared
00:03 <noob13> it won't the last few times.
00:03 <Monkey_arma> i doubt its a physical hardware issue if it only happens since hardy
00:03 <Monkey_arma> can you do what i ask above amy? it will provide clues to me
00:04 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: booting 4 times into windows? why?
00:04 <Monkey_arma> because
00:04 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:04 <noob13> its the monkey way.
00:04 <Monkey_arma> it sure is
00:04 <noob13> :)
00:04 <Monkey_arma> you must reboot from hardy first
00:05 <Monkey_arma> then boot windows..then again windows 3 times or so
00:05 <StickyNoob> why?
00:05 <Monkey_arma> oh sticky oh dear oh dear
00:05  * Monkey_arma tuts
00:05 <noob13> ...to see if it does the check.
00:05 <StickyNoob> 3 times a charm?
00:06 <noob13> i agree its not necessary
00:06 <llAMYll> http://rafb.net/p/r8gKqc65.html
00:06 <llAMYll> this is the sdb one
00:06 <Monkey_arma> to see if it does the check after a linux boot and then after several win boots
00:06  * Monkey_arma disagrees with noob13 and StickyNoob 
00:06 <StickyNoob> still only the 2 critical errors
00:07 <Monkey_arma> have i ever failed you noob13 ;)
00:07 <noob13> once.
00:07 <noob13> :=
00:07 <noob13> :P not really.
00:07 <Monkey_arma> once?
00:07 <Monkey_arma> heh
00:07 <Monkey_arma> good jk
00:07 <llAMYll> http://rafb.net/p/VwbSkV48.html and this is the sda one
00:07 <noob13> but i bet 10 durka dollars that it WILL happen the first time and it WON'T happen the last 3 times.
00:08 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:08 <epsy> yes i'd too
00:08 <llAMYll> me too :D
00:08 <StickyNoob> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217920
00:08 <epsy> but wtf are d0rka dollars?
00:08  * Monkey_arma gives noob13 a cookie
00:08 <epsy> someone should put windows in affectation list
00:09 <llAMYll> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217920 the computer looks exactly like mine :o
00:09 <llAMYll> but only 3gb
00:09 <llAMYll> :P
00:09 <epsy> u n00bz0r
00:10 <llAMYll> noooo.. the person has 4gb, i only have 3gb
00:10 <llAMYll> :)
00:11 <llAMYll> but this is the final version of hardy though
00:11 <noob13> monkey here has 0.25Gb? :P
00:11 <StickyNoob> there is no final version, it gets updated almost daily
00:11 <epsy> 128KB ? :D
00:11 <Monkey_arma> i have 128 meg ram
00:11 <Monkey_arma> or 128k ...i forget
00:11 <epsy> MB woops
00:12 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:12 <llAMYll> :o
00:12 <noob13> heh :P
00:12 <Monkey_arma> and my computer works :)
00:12 <Monkey_arma> ty
00:12 <StickyNoob> llAMYll: actualy yeah have you run all the latest patches?
00:12 <epsy> Monkey_arma, you can say you've got as much mem as a PS3
00:12 <Monkey_arma> no swap drive usage
00:12 <Monkey_arma> i do?
00:12 <llAMYll> my lappy has only 512 or something like that
00:12 <epsy> yes
00:12 <llAMYll> latest patches?
00:12 <llAMYll> the updates??
00:13 <StickyNoob> with synaptic/apt
00:13 <epsy> now i guess it's graphic card doesn't use shared mem
00:13 <epsy> :P
00:13 <llAMYll> erm.. i have all the updates yes
00:13 <Monkey_arma> amy have you done "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade aptitude dist-upgrade"?
00:13 <Monkey_arma> er..
00:13 <Monkey_arma> amy have you done "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade aptitude ; dist-upgrade"?
00:13 <Monkey_arma> nope ..try again
00:13 <noob13> :D
00:13 <Monkey_arma> amy have you done "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade ; aptitude dist-upgrade"?
00:13 <Monkey_arma> ok that one
00:14 <StickyNoob> need sudo on them
00:14 <Monkey_arma> oh ye i forgot ubuntu dont allow root
00:14 <Monkey_arma> does it allow su?
00:14 <StickyNoob> you can get root with "sudo su"
00:14 <epsy> why doing that :P
00:14 <llAMYll> erm... i've done 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
00:15 <noob13> works as well.
00:15 <llAMYll> i update everyday :)
00:15 <epsy> emerge --sync takes 1 hour to complete
00:15 <epsy> -.-
00:15 <Monkey_arma> dont use apt-get btw
00:15 <Monkey_arma> use aptitude!
00:15  * noob13 agrees.
00:15 <llAMYll> but ubuntu recommends apt-get
00:15 <Monkey_arma> it is wrong
00:15 <llAMYll> okay
00:15 <epsy> and only to list what i can upgrade on my system it needs like 3 hours
00:16 <Monkey_arma> like it is wrong to mount all your partitions in /media
00:16 <epsy> then it tells me there's like 50 blocks
00:16 <llAMYll> i didn't do it :S
00:16 <epsy> :-(
00:16 <Monkey_arma> if i had gentoo epsy it would take days
00:16 <llAMYll> it just does it
00:16 <Monkey_arma> amy i know
00:16 <Monkey_arma> so use aptitude anywya
00:16 <epsy> so i never ever upgraded
00:16 <epsy> so
00:16 <epsy> what do you propose as my next distro? :D
00:16 <llAMYll> okay aptitude it is :D
00:16 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:16 <Lucifer_pen> Kubuntu
00:17 <noob13> atm i don't recommend ubuntu...
00:17 <llAMYll> nor do i
00:17 <StickyNoob> i think this may be a case of waiting for ubuntu to fix it, its marked as high priority so may be soon
00:17 <llAMYll> :S
00:17  * epsy stabs Lucifer_pen
00:17 <Lucifer_pen> I haven't upgraded yet
00:17 <StickyNoob> kubuntu is very good
00:17 <Monkey_arma> and also do "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
00:17 <epsy> i had kubuntu as my first distro
00:17 <epsy> it totally sucked
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00:17 <epsy> royally
00:17 <StickyNoob> epsy: what is wrong with it?
00:17 <epsy> lack of support
00:18 <epsy> ARtS
00:18 <StickyNoob> thats getting better
00:18 <StickyNoob> (since Shuttleworth now uses kubuntu)
00:18 <epsy> and well
00:18 <epsy> i don't want kde
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00:18 <StickyNoob> then use ubuntu
00:18 <llAMYll> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't do anything, i have the latest updates and thingies
00:18 <Monkey_arma> hah
00:18 <epsy> is there a way i can install ubuntu just without gnome?
00:18 <StickyNoob> or xubuntu
00:18 <noob13> llAMYll: that is a good thing.
00:18 <Monkey_arma> epsy, likes to be "enlightened"
00:18 <StickyNoob> epsy: the server edition
00:18 <Monkey_arma> epsy n
00:18 <epsy> (or xfce or anything)
00:18 <Monkey_arma> o
00:19 <Monkey_arma> xfce yes
00:19 <epsy> xfce sucks
00:19 <llAMYll> i've seen enlightenment, i don't like it
00:19 <Monkey_arma> hah
00:19 <Monkey_arma> amy! boo
00:19 <epsy> llAMYll, which one?
00:19 <llAMYll> i donno
00:19 <StickyNoob> epsy: Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition
00:19 <epsy> e16, the fucking really industrial one?
00:19 <llAMYll> my friend just said it was enlightenment
00:19 <llAMYll> and it looked weird
00:19 <llAMYll> i donno
00:20 <Monkey_arma> amy you have not seen the latest one..and you have not seen good themes
00:20 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:20 <epsy> StickyNoob, do i have long time support even if i install xorg and enlightenment? :)
00:20 <llAMYll> okay :)
00:20 <llAMYll> i use emerald lol
00:20 <llAMYll> compiz! wooo!
00:20 <noob13> yay!
00:20 <Monkey_arma> compiz ftw
00:20  * joda_bot suggests to use VISTA and hides (because even I can't stand it)
00:20 <noob13> but why all the eye-candy?
00:20 <StickyNoob> epsy: no you get a slap
00:20 <epsy> e16 is amazing if you like industrial themes
00:21 <Monkey_arma> epsy, e16 has no antialiased fonts :(
00:21 <StickyNoob> nothing beats kde
00:21 <llAMYll> guru3 doesn't like compiz :P
00:21 <Monkey_arma> StickyNoob, wrong
00:21 <epsy> e17 is great if you run it on your phone
00:21 <StickyNoob> compiz/beryl is just sick and wrong atm
00:21 <epsy> £100 it would even work on a 1600 :P
00:21 <llAMYll> compiz can turn the desktop into a cylinder! :D
00:22 <llAMYll> not even a cube  :P
00:22 <llAMYll> a cylinder!
00:22 <Monkey_arma> ok i can turn my monitor in to a hat...but so...
00:22 <StickyNoob> llAMYll: are you using compiz
00:22 <llAMYll> yes
00:22 <epsy> then your screen is rolling of the the floor?
00:22 <llAMYll> :)
00:22  * StickyNoob identifies reason for freezing
00:22 <epsy> can you have snow on your desk?
00:22 <noob13> not necessarily the reason.
00:22 <llAMYll> lol! compiz still works when the freeze happens
00:22 <epsy> i miss that
00:22 <llAMYll> you just can't open anything
00:23 <Monkey_arma> joda_bot, yes vista was a mistake
00:23 <epsy> i remember how is my comp like when copying files
00:23 <llAMYll> i can still wobble the windows and do the cube when the freeze happens
00:23 <epsy> llAMYll, i do too
00:23 <StickyNoob> yeah the 3d effects are fun for about 10 min then you just sit there going "OH FFS STOP WOBBLING YOU ARE SLOWING ME DOWN"
00:23 <epsy> but well, it's gnome and fuck it it crashes all the time
00:24 <noob13> llAMYll: ati was it?
00:24 <llAMYll> i use nvidia :P
00:24 <llAMYll> i used to have an ati
00:24 <epsy> it's supposed to be stable and seriousely i get almost no crashes with this dev. e17
00:24 <llAMYll> but it died within 2 months
00:24 <epsy> whereas compiz crashes all the time, if i didn't say that already
00:25 <StickyNoob> wonder when decent ati drivers are going to filter through
00:25 <Monkey_arma> amy if it makes you feel happier debian can crash on me up to  4 times a day on a bad day...xorg issues
00:25 <llAMYll> :P
00:25 <epsy> Monkey_arma has a REALLY crap setup
00:25 <noob13> i'd blame the hardware on that one.
00:25 <epsy> no wonder
00:25 <llAMYll> i just feel bad for you now
00:25 <llAMYll> oh dear :(
00:25 <Monkey_arma> epsy i am on debian temporarily
00:25 <Monkey_arma> its debian xorg
00:25 <epsy> reinstall it and don't fuck it up jeez
00:25 <StickyNoob> i reverted from debian after 5 hours
00:25 <Monkey_arma> epsy i have
00:26 <epsy> debian works fucking fine
00:26 <Monkey_arma> heh StickyNoob
00:26 <Monkey_arma> epsy wrong WRONG
00:26 <epsy> you must be really stupid to fuck it up
00:26 <Monkey_arma> it depends what u do on it
00:26 <Monkey_arma> no no no wrong
00:26 <epsy> <epsy> you must be really stupid to fuck it up
00:26 <Monkey_arma> and im not the only one
00:26 <Monkey_arma> others have complained too
00:26 <Monkey_arma> same issue
00:26 <epsy> which is caused by..?
00:26 <Monkey_arma> i have had my xorg.conf checked and etc
00:26 <Monkey_arma> its debian voodoo
00:27 <Monkey_arma> its caused by debian having shit developers
00:27 <epsy> lol?
00:27 <Monkey_arma> and the fact that they only moved to xorg recently
00:27 <Monkey_arma> 1000 developers..how many are going to be good?
00:27 <epsy> i've had debian etch for a while when it was still "testing"
00:27 <StickyNoob> well i liked the discription someone gave me of debian today "either you take testing in which case everything is broken, or stable which is still awaiting support for the parrallel port"
00:27 <epsy> i had no fucking prob
00:27 <Monkey_arma> well you dont use the same video driver as me you clown
00:27 <Monkey_arma> you belgian
00:28 <epsy> StickyNoob, testing works fine
00:28 <llAMYll> :o
00:28 <epsy> StickyNoob, sid is sometimes broken
00:28 <llAMYll> stop being mean
00:28 <epsy> Monkey_arma, you clown shouldn't have bought that video card
00:28 <Monkey_arma> i didnt
00:28 <epsy> that was stupid
00:28 <StickyNoob> epsy is belgian???
00:28 <Monkey_arma> 1) its builtin
00:28 <llAMYll> i like belgian choco
00:28 <epsy> irish, in fact
00:28 <Monkey_arma> 2) its not mine ..i was given it
00:29 <StickyNoob> epsy: your irish?
00:29 <Monkey_arma> yes epsy is belgian
00:29 <epsy> still, you use it
00:29 <epsy> no, i'm french
00:29  * llAMYll is sooooo confused
00:29 <Monkey_arma> epsy actually i will upgrade very soon
00:29 <Monkey_arma> and also i will scrap debian
00:29 <Monkey_arma> ty
00:29 <Monkey_arma> ok amy so..
00:29 <epsy> potato?
00:29 <llAMYll> potato?
00:29 <Monkey_arma> waffle?
00:29 <epsy> (as in debian potato)
00:30 <StickyNoob> i run debian on a slug ok
00:30 <epsy> or whatever was codename for 3.0
00:30 <Monkey_arma> 3.0 was woody
00:30 <epsy> then it was 2.0
00:30 <Monkey_arma> debian motto... " if it aint broke, fix it....if it still aint broke..break it..."
00:30 <llAMYll> i thought epsy was asking if i like potato :S
00:30 <epsy> llAMYll, do you like potato?
00:30 <llAMYll> i saw that in the forum
00:31 <llAMYll> i do like some potatos :P
00:31 <epsy> which ones?
00:31 <llAMYll> anya potatos :P
00:31 <llAMYll> awesome potatos
00:31 <epsy> why are you saying "some" then?
00:31 <Monkey_arma> hahahaha
00:31 <epsy> define what an awesome potato is
00:31 <Monkey_arma> epsy you plonker
00:31 <llAMYll> anya is not 'any'
00:31 <Monkey_arma> hahaha
00:31 <llAMYll> anya is a potato type
00:31 <llAMYll> hehe
00:32 <Monkey_arma> anya is a variety of potato
00:32 <epsy> ^^
00:32 <Monkey_arma> ok noob13 please take a quote of this please
00:32 <epsy> describe how does it feel to eat such a potato
00:33 <llAMYll> erm..
00:33 <llAMYll> potatoish?
00:33 <llAMYll> i donno
00:33 <epsy> so what makes it different than other potatoes?
00:33 <llAMYll> i like chips
00:33 <llAMYll> it tastes different
00:33 <llAMYll> the texture is different :)
00:33 <epsy> how is it different?
00:33 <llAMYll> its quite expensive though
00:33 <llAMYll> its hard to explain :S
00:33 <epsy> are you poor?
00:34 <llAMYll> i'm a uni student :D
00:34 <epsy> does this mean you are poor?
00:34 <llAMYll> yes :D
00:34 <epsy> do you live in the street?
00:34 <llAMYll> nooo
00:34 <epsy> where would you live then, if you are poor?
00:34 <StickyNoob> epsy: you will be a poor student one day too
00:35 <llAMYll> its quite expensive as in relation with other potatos
00:35 <epsy> StickyNoob, ok but now i am testing llAMYll's nerves
00:35 <epsy> some statistics?
00:35 <llAMYll> i donno
00:36 <llAMYll> its about 2 to 3 times more expensive than normal ones in the supermarket
00:36 <epsy> you aren't proving your statement
00:36 <llAMYll> should go to tescos and find out :P
00:36 <Monkey_arma> maris piper are good..different purpose
00:37 <epsy> a photo might be a good evidence
00:37 <llAMYll> its 11.37pm :)
00:37 <llAMYll> closed
00:37 <Monkey_arma> well amy if you want any info on your computer then ping me or us...
00:38 <llAMYll> any info on my computer?
00:38 <epsy> well, your camera has zomm, right?
00:38 <llAMYll> epsy is weird
00:38 <Monkey_arma> haha
00:38 <epsy> you only stood 10 mins :(
00:38 <Monkey_arma> you will notice that all the people you think are weird here are all in the same clan
00:38 <llAMYll> oooo
00:39 <llAMYll> i tried armagetron once
00:39 <StickyNoob> LIES
00:39 <llAMYll> i got killed by guru3
00:39 <llAMYll> like 9/10
00:39 <epsy> yeah, hoax has aids for instance, but he still tries to fuck people in the arse without a condom, heh
00:39 <llAMYll> times
00:39 <StickyNoob> when did she say i was weird?
00:39 <Monkey_arma> except for you StickyNoob
00:39 <llAMYll> huh?
00:39 <epsy> hm StickyNoob ?
00:40 <Monkey_arma> she has not said you are weird StickyNoob
00:40 <StickyNoob> yet
00:40 <Monkey_arma> heh
00:40 <epsy> hopefully i am new enough and he is too poor to buy a flight ticket
00:40 <llAMYll> i said epsy was weird
00:40 <llAMYll> epsy is weird :D
00:40 <llAMYll> lol
00:41 <epsy> fuck it i need to fix auth on our forums :(
00:41 <StickyNoob> funny thing is in the UK it costs more to get to the airport than it does for the flight and train ticket at the other end
00:41 <llAMYll> lol!
00:41 <llAMYll> agreed
00:41 <epsy> in paris it takes more time to go to airport than to fly
00:42 <llAMYll> you haven't been to london :)
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00:42 <StickyNoob> ahh Paris, the city of rude people
00:42 <llAMYll> so is london
00:42 <llAMYll> mean people
00:42 <llAMYll> meaaaaaan
00:42 <Monkey_arma> trains in uk are mental
00:42 <epsy> so is any city?
00:42 <StickyNoob> london is fine
00:43  * llAMYll agrees with Monkey_arma
00:43 <llAMYll> i don't think london is fine :(
00:43 <Monkey_arma> it is notv fine at all
00:44 <StickyNoob> your all just wimps
00:44 <llAMYll> :(
00:44 <epsy> llAMYll, do you like fish?
00:44 <llAMYll> eating fish?
00:44 <epsy> no, fucking it
00:45 <llAMYll> eating fish is fine :)
00:45 <llAMYll> don't see you screwing a fish
00:45 <llAMYll> o_0
00:45  * StickyNoob logs into x forums for first time in weeks
00:46 <epsy> is llAMYll playing a role or he's really not getting i've just been saying crap for the last 15 minutes
00:46 <epsy> StickyNoob, there, you can whack off the site
00:46 <Monkey_arma> amy epsy is on medication but it does not work too well
00:47 <llAMYll> well.. i do but it keeps the chat room alive :)
00:47 <llAMYll> or room
00:47 <llAMYll> okie Monkey_arma ;)
00:47 <StickyNoob> epsy: your 15, where do you get this foul language?
00:47 <llAMYll> :P
00:47 <epsy> what foul language? :)
00:48 <llAMYll> how old is everyone? :P
00:48 <llAMYll> i'm 19 :D
00:48 <epsy> fuck it i forgot to say committing doesn't mean the site is updated
00:48 <epsy> pfff
00:49 <Monkey_arma> <== 76
00:49 <llAMYll> :P
00:49 <Monkey_arma> not really
00:49 <epsy> i'd guess so
00:49 <StickyNoob> that explains the use of slackware
00:49 <Monkey_arma> heh
00:49 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:49 <llAMYll> lol
00:49 <epsy> hahahaha
00:49 <Monkey_arma> hey dont diss the #1 distro
00:50 <epsy> (bottom note: if it is even a distro)
00:50 <llAMYll> aren't most developers over 50s anyway?
00:50 <Monkey_arma> well im not a developer..and no
00:50 <epsy> one practical question
00:50 <llAMYll> oh :S
00:50 <Monkey_arma> but ages vary a lot
00:50 <llAMYll> i heard that from somewhere
00:50 <llAMYll> can't remember where
00:50 <Monkey_arma> some are
00:50 <epsy> was the last release released before, or after debian 3.1
00:50 <Monkey_arma> the unix guys that came up with unix are
00:51 <llAMYll> oh okie
00:51 <Monkey_arma> slackware is released on average every 9 months
00:51 <StickyNoob> Linus aint
00:51 <epsy> that was supposed to be that way with debian too
00:51 <Monkey_arma> debian woody took 3 years to get to sarge
00:51 <llAMYll> i've only ever used ubuntu
00:51 <llAMYll> i'm too scared to try anything else
00:51 <llAMYll> lol
00:51 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: 3 years is pretty normal for an OS
00:52 <llAMYll> take XP for example lol
00:52 <llAMYll> 6 years
00:52 <epsy> at least with gentoo you can just forget about releases
00:52 <epsy> :)
00:52 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr, not in linux and DECENT OS's
00:52 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: yes, even Linux-based OS
00:52 <epsy> Monkey_arma, what else?
00:52 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr, you are wrong again
00:52 <luke-jr> take Ubuntu for example
00:52 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr, is in wrong mode
00:52 <luke-jr> one major/LTS release every 3 years
00:52 <StickyNoob> gentoo you can forget about functinality beyond eternal compilation
00:53 <llAMYll> lol
00:53 <Monkey_arma> ubuntu?
00:53 <Monkey_arma> wtf r u on luke?
00:53 <Monkey_arma> its 6 months
00:53 <luke-jr> 6 months isn't LTS
00:53 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: not for LTS
00:53 <epsy> or you can just forget about upgrading
00:53 <llAMYll> ubuntu releases an LTS every 18 months right?
00:53 <Monkey_arma> ah ok
00:53 <luke-jr> every 3 years, I'm pretty sure
00:53 <Monkey_arma> well  i dont use ubuntu
00:53 <luke-jr> 6.06 is the last LTS before 8.04
00:54 <llAMYll> yep
00:54 <llAMYll> 18 months
00:54 <luke-jr> so maybe 2 yrs
00:54 <luke-jr> 2 years = 24 months
00:54 <StickyNoob> #tea
00:54 <luke-jr> in this case, 22
00:54 <armabot> StickyNoob: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): CtxWoned, GuessWhoIAm, Kamakazi, O--->, ¦×¦xs20
00:54 <Monkey_arma> lts what the hell
00:54 <Monkey_arma> forget lts...stable ....
00:55 <llAMYll> yaha
00:55 <llAMYll> hardy isn't stable :(
00:55 <luke-jr> well
00:55 <Monkey_arma> for normal distros....its less than 3 years
00:55 <luke-jr> Ubuntu isn't stable
00:55 <luke-jr> but LTS is supposed to be
00:55 <llAMYll> feisty was great :D
00:55 <Monkey_arma> even debian have sped things up
00:55 <StickyNoob> troll troll troll
00:56 <epsy> (everyone stfu)
00:56 <luke-jr> for Gentoo, it's every 5 minutes
00:56 <luke-jr> XD
00:56 <Monkey_arma> :0
00:56  * Monkey_arma senses epsy's blood boil
00:56 <llAMYll> :o
00:56 <epsy> and?
00:56 <Monkey_arma> and nothing
00:57  * llAMYll gives epsy cake :)
00:57 <Monkey_arma> he dont like cake..hes belgian..he likes choc
00:57  * epsy thanks llAMYll and eats it
00:57 <llAMYll> lol
00:57  * epsy turns in the direction of Monkey_arma, slaps him
00:57 <Monkey_arma> #insult epsy
00:57 <armabot> epsy - You are nothing but a humid assload of foul sores.
00:57 <epsy> :|
00:58 <llAMYll> lol!
00:58 <llAMYll> i want to try it
00:58 <llAMYll> #insult llAMYll
00:58 <armabot> llAMYll - You are nothing but a hedge-born ooze of tickle-brained woman's.
00:58  * epsy highlights StickyNoob just because he is playing
00:58 <epsy> #cyborg
00:58 <armabot> epsy: E.P.S.Y.: Electronic Person Skilled in Yelling
00:58 <epsy> :|
00:58 <noob7> #cyborg noob7
00:58 <armabot> noob7: N.O.O.B.: Networked Organism Optimized for Battle
00:59 <noob7> perfect
00:59 <deja_vu> hehe
01:00 <llAMYll> #cyborg
01:00 <armabot> llAMYll: L.L.A.M.Y.L.L.: Lifeform Limited to Assassination, Masterful Yelling and Logical Learning
01:00 <Monkey_arma> some people are thinking that i really think epsy is belgian
01:00 <Monkey_arma> and they are correct.. he is
01:00 <noob7> :o
01:00 <llAMYll> is he belgian or french?
01:00 <llAMYll> i'm still confused
01:00 <Monkey_arma> he pretends to be french
01:00 <Monkey_arma> but when his tablets work..he realises he is belgian
01:00 <epsy> if they are correct, the fact that he thinks i am belgian is true, not the one that i would be belgian
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01:01 <noob7> belgians like kids I heard?
01:01 <noob7> like, REALLY like kids
01:01  * llAMYll is soooo confused right now
01:01 <StickyNoob> ip check will sort it out
01:01 <Monkey_arma> ok amy he is french
01:01 <epsy> and no i'm irish
01:01 <noob7> never heard of proxies?
01:02 <luke-jr> noob7: not on FreeNode
01:02 <noob7> ah..
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01:03 <epsy> lol
01:04 -!- mib_6va3cwo4 is now known as rolf
01:04 <epsy> lulzololz
01:04 <noob7> :D
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01:04 -!- epsy is now known as rolf_mao
01:04  * rolf mao
01:04 <rolf_mao> fuck it
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01:04 <rolf_mao> i need to register this
01:05 <rolf> rolf mao is already registered
01:05 <rolf> i thought u did it
01:05 <Monkey_arma> oh hi rolf
01:05 <rolf> ye hi to you
01:05 <rolf_mao> rolf mao isn't registered, because it's an invalid nickname
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01:05 <Monkey_arma> oh
01:05 <rolf> ah i see
01:06 <rolf> o btw luke-jr is wrooooong
01:06 <rolf_mao> linked :)
01:06 <Monkey_arma> :0 rolf
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01:07 <rolf> i must say Monkey_arma is looking particularly stylish today
01:07 <Monkey_arma> why ty rolf
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01:10 <rolf> right i go to cause trouble elsewhere cu
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01:12 <llAMYll> :(
01:12 <noob7> :o
01:12  * Monkey_arma thinks amy was rolf
01:12 <llAMYll> rolf?
01:12 <llAMYll> :S
01:13 <Monkey_arma> just some nutter that came in
01:13 <Monkey_arma> while you were away
01:13 <llAMYll> oh
01:13 <noob7> or epsy :)
01:13 <noob7> maybe even you monkey! :o
01:13 <llAMYll> epsy isn't here? :o
01:13 <llAMYll> i just checked the cables
01:13 <noob7> and maybe its just me, calling you all out to draw attention away from myself
01:13 <noob7> ah paranoia
01:13 <llAMYll> and they seemed fine
01:13 <noob7> healthy
01:14 <llAMYll> paranoia :o
01:14 <Monkey_arma> me? never would i do such a crazy thing..never..not me..i wouldnt do that...er..
01:14 <noob7> ;)
01:14 <Monkey_arma> <--- rolf
01:14 <Monkey_arma> :\
01:14 <noob7> amy, why are you obfuscating your name in such a weird way?
01:14 <noob7> LIES! monkey
01:14 <noob7> dont claim to be me
01:14 <llAMYll> i donno, it didn't turn out right :s
01:14 <Monkey_arma> bah you got me
01:15 <llAMYll> i'm gonna change it:P
01:15 <Monkey_arma>  do  /nick newname
01:15 <noob7> now the question is, to the bystander... who do YOU think rolf was?
01:15 -!- llAMYll is now known as AM1
01:15 <noob7> :o
01:15 <AM1> :(
01:15 <Monkey_arma> who is the bystander?
01:15 <noob7> my alter-ego
01:15 -!- AM1 is now known as am1
01:15 <noob7> he helps me solve things
01:16 -!- am1 is now known as minitureme
01:16 <minitureme> lol
01:16 <minitureme> :D
01:16 <noob7> #t fre eng minitureme
01:16 <armabot> noob7: minitureme
01:16 <Monkey_arma> the superstars here use name_arma
01:16 <noob7> #t eng ger minitureme
01:16 <armabot> noob7: minitureme
01:16 <Monkey_arma> or name_tron
01:16 <noob7> Oo
01:17 <minitureme> :S
01:17 <minitureme> minitureme :d
01:17 <minitureme> lol
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01:17 <minitureme> no-one will know who i am :P
01:17 <rolf> i am back did you miss me?
01:18 <noob7> aloha
01:18 <Monkey_arma> wb rolf
01:18 <rolf> ty
01:18 <noob7> I know a rolf irl
01:18 <noob7> funky character
01:18 <rolf> irl?
01:18 <noob7> he sports that pedo stache
01:18 <noob7> in real life
01:18 <minitureme> in real life :P
01:18 <Monkey_arma> in real life
01:19 <noob7> durka would say: SCREENSHOT!
01:19 <rolf> i thought u meant his second name was irl
01:19 <rolf> lol
01:19 <rolf> <-- stupid
01:19  * Monkey_arma tuts
01:19 <noob7> well would work as an austrian or german name
01:19 <Monkey_arma> where is that weird belgian guy?
01:19 <minitureme> lol
01:20 <noob7> eating chocolate? xD
01:20 <rolf> ah you must mean epsy
01:20 <minitureme> maybe his computer screwed up like mine :P
01:20 <rolf> yes i heard he is strange
01:20 <minitureme> too much cake
01:20 <minitureme> he wanted me to screw a fish! o_0
01:20 <rolf> a fish?
01:20 <rolf> hmm he has moved up in the world
01:20 <Monkey_arma> heh
01:21 <Monkey_arma> true
01:21 <minitureme> weirdd epsy
01:22 <minitureme> weeird person
01:22 <minitureme> is he actually belgian then?
01:22 <noob7> why would you want to screw a fish?
01:22 <noob7> whatever screw even means in that context
01:22 <minitureme> i don't ewwwwwww
01:22 <Monkey_arma> he is french
01:23 <minitureme> okay
01:23 <noob7> Oo
01:23 <Monkey_arma> but always refer to him as belgian
01:23 <Monkey_arma> he likes that
01:23 <minitureme> okay ;)
01:23 <minitureme> it seems like you know him very well Monkey_arma
01:23 <minitureme> :P
01:24 <rolf> monkey and epsy are lovers
01:24 <rolf> hah
01:24 <Monkey_arma> stfu rolf
01:24 <rolf> :0
01:24 <minitureme> hehe
01:24 <rolf> no of course not
01:24 <rolf> monkey is way to awesome to contemplate that
01:25 <Monkey_arma> ty
01:25 <noob7> monkey whats the mouse death count btw?
01:25 <Monkey_arma> oh the mice...just 3 still
01:25 <Monkey_arma> one was running about but he mustve gone..he didnt take bait
01:26 <Monkey_arma> i think he panicked
01:26 -!- minitureme is now known as amys
01:26 <amys> there we go :)
01:26 <Monkey_arma> not bad
01:26 <Monkey_arma> any alternative for the s?
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01:27 <Monkey_arma> amy_winehouse?
01:27 <amys> i donno,
01:27 <amys> nooooooooooooooooooooo
01:27 <amys> i have amy winehouse
01:27 <amys> hate**
01:27 <amys> not have
01:27 <amys> :P
01:27 <noob7> why?
01:27 <amys> i don't like her
01:27 <amys> her hair is like o_0
01:27 <Monkey_arma> she is craaaaazzy
01:28 -!- amys is now known as Amys
01:28 <Amys> capital A :D
01:28 <Monkey_arma> oO
01:28 <noob7> she has a great voice, and I dont really care what people like her do to her life or body
01:28 <Monkey_arma> im not mad on her..but she does have something
01:29 <noob7> drugs :o
01:29 <Amys> i don't really dislike her for her hair
01:29 <Amys> yeah
01:29 <Amys> i was just about to say that
01:29 <Amys> drugss
01:29 <Amys> and i don't like the style of song she sings
01:29  * Amys is weird
01:30 <noob7> that hairstyle of hers is really popular for the lower class "girlies" here in germany
01:30 <noob7> but meh, the 80s coming back and all
01:30 <Amys> hmm..
01:30 <Amys> i've been to germany :D
01:30 <Amys> hamburg for a holiday
01:30 <noob7> I dont know where you are from so I cant one-up you
01:30 <noob7> :P
01:30 <Amys> very nice people
01:31 <Amys> one-up? :S
01:31 <Amys> i'm from the UK
01:31 <Amys> whats one-up?
01:31 <noob7> like.. "beat" with my reply?  "my had has the bigger car" "no MY dad .."
01:31 <noob7> *dad
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01:31 <Amys> ohhh
01:32  * Amys is stupid
01:32 <Amys> :D
01:32 <noob7> I have never heard anyone actually use that phrase irl :)
01:32 <rolf> nor me
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01:33 <noob7> wb rolf
01:33 <rolf> ty
01:33 <rolf> i have heard of in rl
01:33 <rolf> "in rl"
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01:34 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: why you idleing in cafe?
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01:34 <Monkey_arma> you want me to play or leave or?
01:34 <rolf> kick him from the server
01:34 <StickyNoob> just wondering why
01:34 <noob7> suspend
01:34 <noob7> funnier
01:34 <rolf> hi sticky btw
01:34 <StickyNoob> yo
01:34 <Amys> mean people :P
01:35 <Monkey_arma> :(
01:35 <noob7> now you made monkey cry
01:35 <Monkey_arma> ;((
01:35 <noob7> "mean people".... take a look at yourself!
01:35 <noob7> xD
01:35 <Amys> :o
01:35 <Amys> what did i do?
01:35  * Amys cries
01:35 <rolf> ignore him
01:36 <noob7> :o
01:36  * Monkey_arma is not in cafe anymore
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01:38 <Amys> 29people :o
01:39 <StickyNoob> Amys: so you dont play tron?
01:39 <Monkey_arma> that is not bad but on some match days we have had more
01:39 <rolf> i play tro
01:39 <rolf> n
01:39 <rolf> with sticky
01:39 <noob7> nobody plays with sticky
01:39 <Monkey_arma> aw
01:39 <Amys> i played it once :P
01:39 <Amys> actually twice
01:39 <Monkey_arma> what servers and what did u think ?
01:40 <Amys> i donno, guru did everything lol
01:40 <Amys> ask him
01:40 <StickyNoob> OH FFS, /me was too slow in grub land and now im heading for debian
01:40 <Monkey_arma> oh noes
01:40 <Amys> i think its a hard game to play, i kept on losing
01:40 <StickyNoob> i should probably try to get deb working
01:40 <Amys> :P
01:40 <noob7> #onlineservers
01:41 <armabot> noob7: This data is 26 seconds old; ~*SpeederS*~ Server (12/12), Wild West  =Team Sumo= (9/14), Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!) (8/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (8/12), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (7/10), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (7/10), Auctorita Clan DF Server                                      | (7/8), Norm's Place (7/12), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (7/16), [] Cheers! [] The (2 more messages)
01:41 <Monkey_arma> it takes some practice..but...its not too  hard
01:41  * noob7 is off to x sumo
01:41 <Monkey_arma> maybe you played the wrong  servers
01:41 <Monkey_arma> fortress is the best
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01:42 <rolf> right i am going for a game
01:42 <rolf> cu
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01:42 <Monkey_arma> strange guy
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01:45 <StickyNoob> wow fixing screen in debian was easier than expected
01:48 <StickyNoob> now for the arma test
01:57 <Ttech> StickyNoob,  Ubuntu
01:57 <Ttech> ;P
01:57 <StickyNoob> im trying debian as an alternative to ubuntu
01:57 <Monkey_arma> then you are crazy
01:58 <StickyNoob> probably
01:58 <Monkey_arma> it depends...xorg
01:58 <StickyNoob> but hay, i cant knock debian untill i have tried it
01:58 <Monkey_arma> maybe for your card it will be fine
01:58 <StickyNoob> i have 3d working fine
01:58 <Monkey_arma> although on mine  i cant even use Ctrl-Alt-F(x)
01:58 <Monkey_arma> in 2D
01:59 <Monkey_arma> 3D works but crashes some times..
01:59 <StickyNoob> waht is ctrl-alt-f
01:59 <Monkey_arma> ?
02:00 <Monkey_arma> you forgot the (x)
02:00 <Monkey_arma> for example
02:00 <Monkey_arma> Ctrl-Alt-F1
02:00 <Monkey_arma> to go to console
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02:02 <StickyNoob> heh
02:02 <StickyNoob> its spamming:
02:02 <StickyNoob> hda: drive not ready for command
02:02 <StickyNoob> hda: status error: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
02:02 <StickyNoob> hda: status error: error=0x00 { }
02:02 <StickyNoob> ide: failed opcode was: unknown
02:02 <StickyNoob> not sure i have an hda
02:03 <Monkey_arma> so which distros have you tried then?
02:03 <Monkey_arma> more importantly..use
02:03 <Monkey_arma> d
02:04 <StickyNoob> currently, suse debian and ubuntu
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02:05 <StickyNoob> only other one i have tried is corel
02:05 <StickyNoob> and redhat
02:10 <Monkey_arma> if i try to organise the first dictator match this week will we have enough people?
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02:44 <Monkey_arma> i'll take that as a maybe
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03:01 <Ttech> StickyNoob, solve your issue? h\da  is your hard drive
03:01 <Ttech> So your hard drive is not ready for access or what not
03:02 <StickyNoob> naaa sda is the hard disk
03:03 <StickyNoob> hda may be cdrom
03:10 <ct|kyle> StickyNoob: ya
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06:19 <Stewie-arma> #weather 92037
06:19 <armabot> Stewie-arma: The current temperature in La Jolla Shores, La Jolla, California is 67.5°F (9:15 PM PDT on April 28, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising).
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10:09 <spidey> #weather 38256
10:09 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 34.3°F (3:09 AM CDT on April 29, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady).  Frost advisory in effect from 3 am to 8 am CDT Tuesday...
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15:32 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
15:32 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 55.0°F (9:32 AM EDT on April 29, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Rising).
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15:38 <noob7> \o fonkay
15:39 <fonkay> \o?
15:40 <noob7> raised right arm
15:40 <noob7> compared to o/
15:40 <noob7> I wouldnt feel comfortable greeting you with two raised arms \o/
15:41 <fonkay> salute?
15:41 <noob7> just like a friendly "hey we are over here" kinda wave
15:42 <noob7> nvm
15:42 <noob7> lets start again
15:42 <noob7> hi fonkay
15:42  * fonkay is an irc newb
15:42 <fonkay> irc, chatroom, general online talk
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16:33 <K-Yo> epsy, dev il a une ip dynamique?
16:33 <epsy> euh je crois pas, pkoi?
16:44 <z-man-work> isn't \o for Nazis only?
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16:45 <StickyNoob> and people who have had a bad acident
16:46 <z-man-work> Lackadaisical: want to jump in for ender in TWG2?
16:47 <Lackadaisical> um.. ok
16:47 <z-man-work> Really, only if you want.
16:47 <z-man-work> Ender hasn't been reading his PMs yet :(
16:48 <Lackadaisical> ah i see
16:48 <z-man-work> #lastseen ender
16:48 <armabot> z-man-work: Rune DEFENDER has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 2 hours 45 minutes ago.
16:48  * epsy is sitting there looking at what could be the logo of the new TST site
16:48 <epsy> "oooh it's nice"
16:50 <z-man-work> Lackadaisical: if you want, read up on the action, and write me a PM if you want to join.
16:51 <Lackadaisical> ok
17:03 <noob7> epsy, can I have a sneek peak?
17:04 <epsy> hmm, not really
17:08 <epsy> noob7,
17:08 <noob7> thats pretty
17:08 <epsy> lol
17:08 <noob7> I didnt know you were such a creative and skilled person :)
17:08 <noob7> your typography skills really blow me away xD
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17:22 <ender> BAH!
17:23 <noob7> ender: #armatwgetron
17:23 <epsy> BEH!
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17:49 <wrtlprnft> pavelo: luke-jr: maybe continue that discussion in here? :o
17:50 <luke-jr> lol
17:50  * wrtlprnft personally likes that his IP doesn't resolve sometimes
17:50 <luke-jr> pavelo: RDNS works fine for me
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17:51 <pavelo> ;; SERVER:
17:51 <pavelo> i just noticed that my hostname isn't listed in the logs you pasted
17:52 <wrtlprnft> pavelo: i bet your DNS isn't as shaky as the DNS luke-jr uses for his servers
17:53 <pavelo> :P
17:59 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: the DNS I use is fine
18:00 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: just buggy DNS caches other people use
18:00 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: which turned out to be well documented
18:00 <luke-jr> pavelo: that server, btw, doesn't answer my request at all
18:02 <eddiefantastic> [1] Login failed, reason: Server adress mismatch, (sent by client) != *.*.*.*:* (our address). Pharming suspected. If  you are connecting from the LAN and get this error, either set "TRUST_LAN" on the server (only if your LAN can be fully trusted, of course) or use "SERVER_IP" to make the local IP known to the server.
18:02 <eddiefantastic> any idea what's happening there?
18:02 <pavelo> eddiefantastic: which server
18:02 <eddiefantastic> that is the ip of the server btw, not the client
18:03 <eddiefantastic> arma-0.2.8+sty+ct or something
18:03 <pavelo> the same thing happened on x sumo, the other day
18:03 <pavelo> it turned out epsy set talk_to_master to 0
18:03 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: well, it turns out that your domains are the only ones I experience this with
18:04 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: and that i'm not the only one experiencing this.
18:04 <eddiefantastic> yes, talk to master is 0, I'm testing stuff
18:04 <eddiefantastic> thanks, I'll try 1
18:04 <epsy> eddiefantastic, then it doesn't know it's ip
18:04 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: ah, so the server doesn't know its IP
18:04 <wrtlprnft> SERVER_IP
18:04 <epsy> it's the masters which give the server it's ip
18:04 <epsy> or, SERVER_IP
18:04 <eddiefantastic> is there an echo in here?
18:05 <eddiefantastic> thanks
18:05 <wrtlprnft> is it just me or do i hear an echo?
18:05 <epsy> look like there's an echo in here
18:05 <epsy> :)
18:06 <wrtlprnft> (-:
18:06 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it's not a common bug
18:06 <pavelo> its been a while since i did network stuff, but couldn't the server get his ip from the socket corresponding to the clients connection
18:07 <pavelo> that way he could handle connections from multiple interfaces
18:07 <epsy> it does try to, if i understood that part correctly
18:07 <pavelo> and send to each client the correct ip
18:09  * wrtlprnft doesn't care. Fact is that you can't use the default resource repository for any serious server
18:10  * epsy experienced that :(
18:10  * eddiefantastic too
18:10 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: feel free to fix it
18:11 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it's beyond my control
18:11 <eddiefantastic> armathentication works with crazy zones :)
18:11 <eddiefantastic> but crazy zones are broken :(
18:11 <pavelo> "crazy zones" ?
18:11 <luke-jr> the best I can do is to suggest using resource.aa.dashjr.org for the hostname instead of resource.armagetronad.nte
18:12 <eddiefantastic> the kind of zones in flower sumo. moving, expanding, etc
18:12 <pavelo> right.... i thought you meant zonesv2
18:12 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: same problem.
18:13 <pavelo> do you have an ETA for a server with those zones ?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> all your .dasjr.org domains have the same issue
18:13 <eddiefantastic> it is just a small bug meaning the zones aren't assigned correctly
18:13 <eddiefantastic> once that's fixed, it's there
18:14 <eddiefantastic> until the other bugs show up ....
18:14 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: well, that's a different problem
18:14 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: which can be fixed
18:14 <wrtlprnft> good to know.
18:14 <luke-jr> ns2.dashjr.org doesn't exist
18:14 <eddiefantastic> https://code.launchpad.net/~aavoodoo/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct
18:15 <wrtlprnft> ns2 := ns1?
18:15 <luke-jr> ?
18:16 <wrtlprnft> can't they be the same?
18:16 <luke-jr> not really
18:16 <luke-jr> ns3 and ns4 are fine
18:16 <luke-jr> ns1 too
18:16 <luke-jr> so ns2 being gone should just prompt a failover
18:18 <luke-jr> removed ns2 from the list
18:18 <luke-jr> :þ
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18:23 <eddiefantastic> so, can an unarmathenticated player call themself someone@somewhere ?
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18:25 <luke-jr> yes
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18:26 <eddiefantastic> shouldn't the @ symbol be reserved for only armathenticated players?
18:27 <eddiefantastic> on armathentication servers that is
18:29 <epsy> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/annotate/epsy46-20080428162250-65tkq33p0wjhqnec?file_id=7723%407d95bf1e-0414-0410-9756-b78462a59f44%3Aarmagetronad%252Fbranches%252F0.2.8%252Farmagetronad%3Aconfig%252Fsettings_authentication.cfg
18:29 <epsy> eddiefantastic, read from line 401
18:41 <eddiefantastic> ty, that'll do it
18:44 <wrtlprnft> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/annotate/epsy46-20080428162250-65tkq33p0wjhqnec?file_id=7723%407d95bf1e-0414-0410-9756-b78462a59f44%3Aarmagetronad%252Fbranches%252F0.2.8%252Farmagetronad%3Aconfig%252Fsettings_authentication.cfg#L401
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18:44 <eddiefantastic> even better :)
18:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: still a delay, may just need time to propagate
18:45 <wrtlprnft> and myspace keyis broken again.
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18:46 <wrtlprnft> hello, this is a test to see if my space key works again.
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18:50 <eddiefantastic> wrtlprnft: I thought you were talking about something similar to facebook
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19:05 <wrtlprnft> huh? where?
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19:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: that problem might be fixed. at least the couple of domains i tried now resolve quickly
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19:30 <Monkey_arma> do most of you unix/linux users set your home computer's *hardware* clock to local time or GMT/UTC?
19:30 <Lucifer> utc
19:30 <Lucifer> that's the only sensible way to do it
19:30 <Monkey_arma> although if you use windows  too...
19:30 <Lucifer> I don't care if windows doesn't like it
19:31 <Monkey_arma> hehe
19:31 <Monkey_arma> nice replly
19:31 <Lucifer> I'll run windows in UTC if I have to to keep timestamps consistent
19:31 <Monkey_arma> i was thinking that
19:31 <Monkey_arma> windows is not really important enough for time to matter
19:32 <Lucifer> well, it really depends on what's your primary system, you know, the one who's clock you're looking at regularly to find out what time it is
19:32 <Lucifer> that clock, whichever it is, should show localtime
19:32 <wrtlprnft> just get both OSs to use NTP.
19:32 <Monkey_arma> that would be not windows
19:32 <Lucifer> for me, that clock will be in Linux
19:32 <Monkey_arma> same
19:33 <Monkey_arma> ok u helped me make my mind up
19:33 <Lucifer> so UTC on the hardware clock is, to me, the most sensible approach :)
19:33  * Monkey_arma agrees
19:33 <wrtlprnft> the clock /me uses is on his wrist
19:33  * Lucifer has been using his cell phone clock more and more lately
19:33 <Monkey_arma> me too.. i dont have a watch
19:33  * wrtlprnft doesn't regularily carry a cell phone around
19:33  * Lucifer doesn't wear a wristwatch
19:34  * wrtlprnft always does
19:34 <wrtlprnft> and I don't trust anything else.
19:34 <Lucifer> heh, I just started a few months ago with the cell phone.  Didn't have one for several years, but this semester's been so hectic, my wife and I hooked ourselves up
19:34 <Lucifer> I like pocket watches
19:34 <Lucifer> there's a swiss army knife model that has a clock on it, and that's what I'd like
19:35 <Monkey_arma> i used to have a swiss army knife but not with all the crazy stuff on
19:35 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_730.png
19:35 <Lucifer> I've got the generic one right now, with a corkscrew, nail file, one blade, etc
19:35 <Lucifer> still very handy, but I'd like one that's more electronics-oriented now
19:35 <wrtlprnft> epsy: armagetron.at:4536
19:35 <Monkey_arma> swiss army knife + electronics = :\
19:36 <Lucifer> heh
19:36 <epsy> wrtlprnft, upgrade
19:36 <wrtlprnft> merge?
19:36  * Lucifer has carried a swiss army knife for 20-someodd years
19:36 <epsy> no
19:36 <Lucifer> it's the single most useful piece of equipment I own
19:36 <wrtlprnft> o_O?
19:36 <wrtlprnft> i think i have the latest rev since my merge
19:36 <Monkey_arma> yes i like swiss army knives.. always meant to get a new one
19:37 <Monkey_arma> but nowadays you would get in trouble for having one in many instances
19:37 <Lucifer> heh, nah
19:37 <Lucifer> you're just being paranoid :)
19:37 <Lucifer> I continue to carry one.....
19:37 <Lucifer> went on Holloman with it, put it in the tub before going through the metal detector, the airmen handed it right back to me
19:37 <Lucifer> went to NASA with it last weekend
19:37 <wrtlprnft> epsy: oh, the colored team name thing is trunk only
19:38 <wrtlprnft> nvm my concerns about it, then
19:38 <epsy> yes
19:38 <Lucifer> after we were told not to bring knives or weapons, I took it in anyway because it's not a weapon
19:38 <epsy> althrough i'm still not getting any color at all
19:38 <wrtlprnft> sounds useful, then.
19:38 <epsy> :/
19:39 <epsy> wrtlprnft, why did you direct me to x sumo? O_o
19:39 <epsy> does the client know anything about team colors anyway?
19:39 <wrtlprnft> epsy: of course it does
19:39 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i just told you where the screenshot was made
19:40 <epsy> oh
19:40 <wrtlprnft> epsy: my guess is that the menu items in the team menu are set to ignore color codes
19:40 <epsy> oh wait, eTeam::R() gives a short, not a real
19:41 <epsy> explains it :)
19:42 <wrtlprnft> the fun of having at least three different ways to represent colors in arma
19:42 <epsy> yeah :/
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19:44 <epsy> btw one day we'll have to kill either tColors or tColoredStringProxies
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19:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> you're not supposed to really use tColoredStringProxy AFAIK
19:49 <wrtlprnft> it's just some temporary type you never have to store.
19:49 <wrtlprnft> but there's other color types in game/, too
19:50 <epsy> wrtlprnft, yeah but we can set tColor do do the samme thing among many other things
19:50 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8447 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gTeam.cpp): epsy46: working team colors in team menu
19:51 <epsy> let's see if that works
19:51 <wrtlprnft> tColor has alpha, color codes don't?
19:52 <epsy> we can discard that :P
19:53 <epsy>
19:53 <epsy> that's colorful :)
19:57 <wrtlprnft> now make it fade
19:57 <wrtlprnft> so it's fully saturated in the middle of the name, and grayscale at the ends
19:58 <epsy> er, why?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> to make it even more weird-looking ;-D
19:59 <wrtlprnft> oh, and the names need to blink or something
20:00 <wrtlprnft> maybe make it so the colors move along the teamname in an animated manner
20:00 <wrtlprnft> and use the complementary color to whatever the team's color is to confuse people
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22:14 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: oh, it was just a delay originally? then it was 100% my bad for that problem; I thought you meant it didn't resolve.
22:18 <wrtlprnft> nonono, that's what i explained all the time
22:18 <wrtlprnft> first lookup takes forever
22:19 <wrtlprnft> then it goes well for a while, probably cached
22:19 <wrtlprnft> and if i stop using the domain it takes forever again (like 20 seconds)
22:19 <luke-jr> oh, well hopefully it's reduced to only the unfixable bug now
22:19 <epsy> by me the first time it just tells me it doesn't resolve
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22:19 <wrtlprnft> which is obviously enough to cause a lot of lag on servers with switching maps
22:19 <epsy> then second time i get it normally
22:19 <epsy> until some time
22:19 <wrtlprnft> might be the same thing
22:20 <wrtlprnft> just different DNS caches
22:20 <wrtlprnft> epsy: does it work now?
22:20 <epsy> it is still the same thing
22:20 <epsy> and i tried earlier in the day
22:21 <epsy> a few after luke-jr said <luke-jr> removed ns2 from the list
22:21 <wrtlprnft> dashjr.org.             245     IN      NS      ns2.everydns.dashjr.org.
22:21 <luke-jr> there's a long TTL on root DNS records, I think
22:21 <wrtlprnft> actually it's still listed for me
22:21 <wrtlprnft> dunno, let's wait for a day and see what happens
22:22 <luke-jr> if it persists after a week, epsy's problem is probably the unfixable bug
22:22 <wrtlprnft> what's that number?
22:22 <epsy> ok
22:22 <epsy> luke-jr, i seriousely hope so, because many people in the TST had problems resolving to your servers
22:22 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: TTL on the dashjr.org A record
22:22 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you need to get the NS record at the higher-up servers
22:23 <luke-jr> epsy: you mean you hope not
22:23 <luke-jr> unfixable bugs aren't getting fixed
22:23 <epsy> i hope it doesn't persist a week :p
22:23 <luke-jr> heh
22:23 <luke-jr> a week is just the max, I think
22:23 <luke-jr> either way, there's a bug on your end
22:23 <epsy> we're scheduling next TST to the 25th of may
22:23 <luke-jr> the fixable bug was just a delay
22:24 <luke-jr> if you got an error, there's a bug somewhere in your DNS chain
22:26 <Monkey_arma> z-man, can you give me the details of your tournament master server please... thank you
22:27 <z-man> mom
22:28 <Monkey_arma> if mom means "wait a moment" then ok
22:28 <z-man> master1.armagetronad.net:4532
22:28 <z-man> it does :)
22:28 <Monkey_arma> i thought you meant "ask your_mom" for about 30 seconds
22:29 <z-man> no, that would be AYFM.
22:29 <epsy> heh
22:29 <Monkey_arma> ok nice one, thanks....is that all i need to know....or any other issues etc?
22:29 <z-man> Dunno, really :)
22:30 <z-man> there's something on the wiki telling you how to set up a server to use it.
22:30 <z-man> it equires manually editing masters.cfg.
22:30 <Monkey_arma> the famous dunno...ok
22:30 <epsy> #help wiki
22:30 <armabot> epsy: Error: There is no command "wiki".
22:30 <epsy> #help armawiki
22:30 <armabot> epsy: (armawiki [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armawiki at the RSS feed <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
22:30 <epsy> hrm
22:31 <Monkey_arma> dunno = gtfo and rtfm n00b
22:31 <epsy> #wiki subcultures
22:31 <armabot> epsy: Search took 0.12 seconds: Subcultures - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Subcultures>; Talk: Subcultures - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Talk:Subcultures>; Playing the Game - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Playing_the_Game>; stop! hammer time! continue: (1 more message)
22:32 <epsy> what does « name <subculture name> » do?
22:32 <epsy> oh, that's only for the client :)
22:44 -!- Monkey_arma is now known as noob34
22:45 -!- noob34 is now known as Monkey_arma
22:45 <Monkey_arma> i am not noob34 btw..just testing :)
22:47 <noob13> riiight...
22:48 <luke-jr> lol
23:06 -!- rolf [i=520df0d1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f0a005cf35ed54df] has joined #armagetron
23:06 <rolf> sup peoples
23:06 <rolf> <== mao
23:06 <noob7> xD
23:06 <rolf> epsy: hi
23:07 <epsy> hi amy
23:07 <rolf> how did you know it was me?
23:09 <epsy> because you did the same thing the other day
23:09 <epsy> btw, do you like potatoes?
23:09 <ct|kyle> epsy: what is this (ID: #) in /players
23:09  * epsy --->[]
23:09 <epsy> ct|kyle, network version ID
23:12 <ct|kyle> and what does that tell you
23:12 -!- noob7 is now known as noob7_away
23:13 <luke-jr> who is amy?
23:13 <epsy> each network version ID has an associated network string
23:13 <epsy> ..which you can see right before the (ID: part
23:14 <ct|kyle> oh so ID 13 is
23:14 <epsy> yes
23:14 <ct|kyle> and 20 is trunk?
23:15 <epsy> yes, at least currently
23:15 <luke-jr> shouldn't it say (proto: 13) then?
23:15 <luke-jr> ID is misleading
23:16 <ct|kyle> i agree ID is missleading
23:16 <epsy> idk, i took the same format than the one that appears at connection
23:16 <luke-jr> O.o
23:16 <luke-jr> imo, it should be some kind of bitmask anyway
23:17 <luke-jr> telling capabilities
23:17 <luke-jr> especially now that there's two heads
23:17 <luke-jr> three, if we count wrtlprnft's php client
23:17 <epsy> interesting idea
23:18 <luke-jr> four, if gltron ever supports the same protocol
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23:49 -!- epsy is now known as rolf_mao
23:51 -!- rolf is now known as mao
23:52 <noob13> oO
23:52 <rolf_mao> Oo
23:53 -!- Monkey_arma is now known as rolf
23:59 -!- rolf is now known as Monkey_arma
23:59 -!- noob7 is now known as rolf

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