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Log from 2008-04-24:
--- Day changed Thu Apr 24 2008
00:00 <Flex> kyle is pippin
00:00 <fonkay> you could just smash it.
00:00 <StickyNoob> how the F&%K is hillary still in this
00:00 <fonkay> that'll fix 'er
00:01 <fonkay> who the f&%k cares?
00:01 <ct|kyle> how is oboma still in this?
00:01 <Flex> she gives free blowjobs
00:01 <Flex> per vote
00:01 <ct|kyle> Obama*
00:01 <StickyNoob> i care
00:01 <ct|kyle> i get to vote next :D
00:01 <Lucifer_pen> 'bout time, eh?
00:01  * Lucifer_pen didn't vote in the primary
00:01 <ct|kyle> i bet it will be a record tournout in indiana
00:02 <Flex> when is the final votes..
00:02 <Flex> or when is it over
00:02 <Lucifer_pen> first tuesday after the first monday in november
00:03 <StickyNoob> heh
00:03 <ct|kyle> that bad part about that is technically the electorals could vote in a different way later
00:03 <Flex> jeez, long time.. i can't bare watching more american bullshit on my tv
00:03 <Lucifer_pen> that's a common misconception
00:03 <fonkay> at this rate they might choose a candidate by semptember.
00:03 <Lucifer_pen> actually electoral votes are governed by state law in most states, I think all states
00:04 <Flex> can we go back to lord of the rings please...
00:04 <ct|kyle> my government teacher told me that
00:04 <Flex> can we go back to lord of the rings please...
00:04 <StickyNoob> the delegate style of choosing your candidate is weird, but hell not as bad as UK where we dont even get to choose who runs
00:05 <Flex> StickyNoob, it's so people get a more accurate choice on who they want in..
00:05 <StickyNoob> Flex: in UK or USA?
00:05 <Flex> uk
00:05 <ct|kyle> i just think obamba is probably founded by people we don't want him to be
00:05 <Flex> so if your choice isn't the most common, atleast you get to choose who your choices are for the current selection
00:05 <Flex> or at least i think that's how it is
00:05 <Monkey_arma> i agree with fonkay ...i dont vote here and i wouldnt there..who cares...its all bs and they are all arseholes
00:06 <StickyNoob> but in UK we get no choice in who is put forward
00:06 <Lucifer_pen> once again, life reflects sex
00:06 <ct|kyle> the media decides it anyway
00:06 <Lucifer_pen> it's easier to screw out than it is to screw in
00:06 <Monkey_arma> bush is only a puppet...
00:06 <Flex> haha, fantastic
00:06 <Lucifer_pen> ct|kyle: the reason it's a common misconception is because government teachers keep teaching it :)
00:06 <Lucifer_pen> does she also want to abolish the electoral college?
00:06 <Lucifer_pen> best is to check specific state law libraries, which nowadays are on the web
00:07 <Flex> london elections coming up soon.. StickyNoob who shall i vote for :D
00:07 <Monkey_arma> vote for boris lmao
00:08 <StickyNoob> Flex: livingstone, as much as i love Borris
00:08 <Monkey_arma> boris makes bush look with it
00:08 <Flex> how comes ken
00:08 <StickyNoob> I want Borris just cos i dont live in london
00:08 <ct|kyle> Lucifer_pen: he* and yes
00:08 <Flex> you bastard
00:08 <StickyNoob> Ken is very competent and a person of conviction and level headed
00:09 <Monkey_arma> bollox
00:09 <Flex> i agree, partly
00:09 <Monkey_arma> hes a twat
00:09 <StickyNoob> far more than the majority of polotitions
00:09 <StickyNoob> oops
00:09 <StickyNoob> what has he done wrong?
00:09 <ct|kyle> i'm still mad i could not register to vote online
00:10 <Flex> i was thinking of voting for that women
00:10 <Flex> keep forgetting her name, something erman
00:10 <Flex> german
00:10 <Lucifer_pen> eva braun?
00:11 <Flex> linda german
00:11 <Flex> or something, anyway, but then i though.. fuck it, she's just bullshit
00:11 <fonkay> oh yea, did we make a start for the twg yet?
00:11 <Monkey_arma> so anyway....i like the idea of these organised games of fort...i am thinking of making them more organised
00:11 <Lucifer_pen> monday
00:12 <Lucifer_pen> I love the argument that the electoral college isn't very democratic
00:12 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: thats the first step to removing the fun out of them
00:12 <Lucifer_pen> reminds me of the old saying "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch"
00:12 <Monkey_arma> StickyNoob, wrong, fail
00:12 <Flex> ken is probably the most competent
00:12 <StickyNoob> Flex: yup
00:12 <Monkey_arma> Flex, its not hard when boris is the competition
00:12 <Flex> haha, what about the other guy
00:12 <Flex> but he's pretty much all mouth
00:13 <Flex> if ken talks about housing.. i might be sure
00:13 <Monkey_arma> i dont mean "highly organised" just slightly more preplanned "slightly"
00:13 <Flex> seriously if borris gets in..
00:14 <Flex> london is officially stupid
00:14 <fonkay> thinks politics is bullshit.
00:15 <luke-jr_> z-man-work: you're obviously free to exclude whoever you want from the game with or without reason, but please don't do it with a fake reason. my wife is not a sockpuppet. kthx
00:15 <Lucifer_pen> this has got to be the shortest time I've ever taken something apart after purchasing it
00:15 <Lucifer_pen> luke-jr_: I spoke up for you, eh?  ;)
00:16 <Lucifer_pen> well, this mp3 player is workable at least
00:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_pen: I doubt she'll mind being excluded from the game, but the false reason is still annoying. ☺
00:16 <ct|kyle> Lucifer_pen: so who should i vote for :D
00:16 <Lucifer_pen> and if it doesn't work out, I cna always just take it out of the case and wrap it in electrical tape
00:16 <Flex> :o
00:16 <Flex> luke-jr_, why did zman do that
00:16 <Lucifer_pen> ct|kyle: beats me, heh.  In Texas, when you vote, you declare your party affiliation
00:17 <Lucifer_pen> and you know how I feel about clans
00:17 <Monkey_arma> *Boris Johnson quote*
00:17 <Monkey_arma> My chances of being PM are about as good as the chances of finding Elvis on Mars, or my being reincarnated as an olive.
00:17 <Lucifer_pen> but it's only in the primaries
00:17 <luke-jr_> ct|kyle: voting is a scam
00:17 <ct|kyle> ya heh
00:17 <Flex> so why is he even taking part
00:17 <Monkey_arma> PM = prime minister
00:17 <Flex> oh
00:17 <Lucifer_pen> Flex: same reason nader runs?
00:17 <Lucifer_pen> it's not to win, it's to get the other candidates to adopt his platform to prevent him from stealing their votes :)
00:17 <fonkay> mp3 players are like 5
00:17 <fonkay> $
00:18 <Flex> why don't you just return it
00:18 <fonkay> they're like 5 monies man
00:18 <Flex> why even open it, if it's broken!?
00:18 <Lucifer_pen> CAD?  You do know it's like 1:5 CAD:USD right now, right?
00:18 <Lucifer_pen> Flex: to fix it
00:18 <Flex> return it..
00:19 <Lucifer_pen> I think the warranty ran out pretty quickly
00:19 <ct|kyle> #g 1 cad in usd
00:19 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_pen: you're exaggerating quite a bit
00:19 <Lucifer_pen> what's wrong with spending an hour opening it up, anyway?
00:19 <armabot> ct|kyle: 1 Canadian dollar = 0.990688 U.S. dollars
00:19 <StickyNoob> the tax thing at the moment in the UK is demonstraiting the trueth that: in real life if a person changes their opinion based upon new information they are a considered intelligent person, if a politician does it then they are a weak flip flopper"
00:19 <Lucifer_pen> oh shit, we're not a totally deadbeat third world country anymore
00:20 <fonkay> sure you are.
00:20 <Lucifer_pen> eh?  We're almost back to 1:1 parity with canada
00:20 <ct|kyle> that is who it has been for a few months
00:20 <Flex> stop complaining about your economy
00:20  * Lucifer_pen figures anybody who trades at less than 1:1 with canada is third world
00:21 <fonkay> yea, our monies sucks.
00:21 <Lucifer_pen> (not that canada is third world, just that that's where I draw the line)
00:21 <StickyNoob> heh
00:21 <fonkay> and our taxes are rediculous..
00:21 <Flex> fonkay, what will you do for a dolla?
00:21 <Lucifer_pen> at least you guys are in debt to your great-grandchildren so you can kill a few more moslems before the year ends
00:21 <fonkay> not anything you're asking for flex
00:21 <Lucifer_pen> er, *aren't
00:22 <fonkay> maybe for a euro
00:22 <luke-jr_> fonkay: will you assassinate and destroy records for $1?
00:22 <luke-jr_> :O
00:22 <Flex> pound is stronger, what about pound
00:22 <Lucifer_pen> I'll take a pound, turn it into a newton, and then go trade it for a USD
00:22 <Lucifer_pen> probably be a millionaire when I'm done
00:23 <StickyNoob> woo UK is not 3rd world using the Canada index: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
00:23 <Flex> who's got the highest currency at the moment
00:23 <fonkay> luke-jr_: I'll assassinate you for a dime.
00:23 <Flex> uk was pretty strong
00:23 <Lucifer_pen> afaik, pound
00:23 <luke-jr_> fonkay: not me
00:23 <Lucifer_pen> might be euro
00:23 <Flex> we're going down currently
00:23 <Flex> there's alot of mess here at the moment
00:23 <Flex> due to you assfucks fucking up
00:23 <Lucifer_pen> you guys went in with us...
00:24 <fonkay> everyone's going down... all economies will drop so far that it wont matter anytmore, because we'll all be on par again.
00:24 <Lucifer_pen> canada can at least complain because they tried to hold us back, but you guys went in too
00:24 <Flex> damn, i think i need to start packing for china
00:24 <fonkay> canada's going on strike!
00:24 <StickyNoob> China is soon in trouble too
00:25 <Lucifer_pen> we're all at least a little fucked right now
00:25 <Lucifer_pen> good time for a fascist dictator to rise up somewhere
00:25 <ct|kyle> china is trying to kill us
00:25 <Flex> they're even beating us at snooker.. ronnie sullivan almost got pwned by a 17year old player
00:25 <Lucifer_pen> according to bush, that's what osama bin laden is trying to be
00:25 <fonkay> I say canada should stop giving away all of our fucking oil.
00:25 <noob13> kuwait diner seems to be doing quite well, selling for 3.72 USD a piece
00:25 <Lucifer_pen> you're not giving it away, you're trading it with the us in exchange for somethingorother
00:25 <Flex> those bastards
00:26 <fonkay> for you not going apeshit and invading to get it?
00:26 <StickyNoob> hmm yes, dictators thrive in uncontroleable countries with no public services and chaos, luckily Bush rid us of them
00:26 <Lucifer_pen> no, it's not like that with us anymore
00:27 <Lucifer_pen> let's see, canada sends us comedians and oil, and we send them....
00:27 <Flex> we need to nuke china
00:27 <Lucifer_pen> ...er....
00:27 <fonkay> in the words of Joe "you don't realize that the US doesn't really care about you
00:27 <fonkay> cept for us dirty lieberals
00:27 <fonkay> we haven't taken you guys over for pretty much that reason
00:27 <fonkay> "
00:27 <StickyNoob> heh
00:27 <Lucifer_pen> worse yet, us dirty liberals are being outbred by those asshat conservatives who don't believe in abortion
00:28 <ct|kyle> Flex: i agree
00:28 <Flex> let's do it tomorrow
00:28 <ct|kyle> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/15/BU47V0VOH.DTL&feed=rss.business
00:28 <ct|kyle> i love that article
00:28 <StickyNoob> i like a quot from a guy i know "the good thing about America being in charge is you know where you stand, if there is profit in it they will do it. With China who knows where you stand"
00:28 <Lucifer_pen> we need to take everybody who regularly say "we need to nuke <somebody>" and throw them all off a large building
00:28 <fonkay> ok, just as a small test. Who here (without wiki/google) knows aynthing about the Halifax Explosion?
00:28 <ct|kyle> "Protecting against these new computer viruses, which so far are aimed at PCs running Windows, is hard - and sometimes impossible."
00:29 <Lucifer_pen> that a refinery that went up in the last year or so?
00:29 <fonkay> nope
00:29 <Lucifer_pen> where went up = blew itself to bits
00:29 <Flex> dude, if we don't nuke them.. we'll have the new america.. now that'll be fucked up
00:29 <Flex> two americas.. competing to be bastards
00:29 <StickyNoob> Flex: there will always be someone on top
00:29 <Lucifer_pen> that's just more typical american xenophobia
00:29 <Flex> dude one america is enough.. we can't have two!
00:29 <Lucifer_pen> you'd make a good american :)
00:30 <Lucifer_pen> what we really need is a complete economic collapse
00:30 <StickyNoob> for a long time it was us in charge, and we were a lot less benevolent than the Americans
00:30 <Lucifer_pen> something to make those suv-drivin' slobs finally suffer for something
00:30 <Flex> yes.. to flush out all of that corruption..
00:30 <Flex> that's the problem.. not the fact that you guys are doing poorly.. it's all that fucked up leaching
00:30  * Monkey_arma checks dictionary
00:31 <ct|kyle> come on Lucifer_pen China has sent lead paint in toys, put viruses on memory chips, put poisin in blood thinner. don't you think something needs to be done about that?
00:31 <Flex> to be honest, i'd rather have america then china on top.. their movies are more entertaining
00:31  * fonkay thinks kyle watches too much CNN
00:31  * ct|kyle does not watch TV
00:32 <Lucifer_pen> ct|kyle: China isn't acting any different than America did before about 1995
00:32 <Lucifer_pen> DDT, thalidomide, CIA kidnappings (which turned out to be true :/  ), etc
00:32 <StickyNoob> Lucifer_pen: again tho America is predictable China is not
00:32 <Lucifer_pen> worse yet, now that we don't use DDT, the stuff that DDT kills is starting to come back
00:33 <Flex> you know.. if china spoke english.. it wouldn't be that bad
00:33 <Lucifer_pen> how is that statement anywhere close to being true?
00:33 <Lucifer_pen> the one about china not being predictable and america being predictable...
00:33 <Flex> i agree with StickyNoob
00:33 <Lucifer_pen> we change our entire government every 4-6 years, they sway back and forth in the wind of public opinion and line their pockets on other people's suffering
00:34 <Lucifer_pen> the real question is, how is that any different from China, anyway?
00:34 <Flex> i think it's about the culture..
00:34 <Lucifer_pen> the top dog is always like that, doesn't matter who it is
00:34 <Lucifer_pen> so you're just being xenophobic then
00:34 <Flex> i was being sarcastic about nuking them..
00:35 <Lucifer_pen> "we're afraid of the foreigners!  omg!  Yellow people!"
00:35  * fonkay regrets asking "what is down""
00:35 <Monkey_arma> there is some truth in that...america is similar to europe so what they want is more similar
00:35 <Flex> you think china is going to let you guys live how you guys like to live when they're on top?
00:35 <Flex> they're just getting started..
00:36 <Monkey_arma> i also trust china less
00:36 <Lucifer_pen> besides invading their neighbors, china doesn't really have a history of teling sovereign countries how to live
00:36 <Lucifer_pen> which is actually quite the opposite of the US
00:36 <Monkey_arma> dont think i trust the USA/europe that much tho
00:36 <Monkey_arma> but china now will have the power
00:36 <StickyNoob> besides invading their neighbours?
00:36 <Lucifer_pen> yeah, you know, tibet :)
00:37 <StickyNoob> im not gay despite all the sex i have with men
00:37 <Lucifer_pen> even then, that invasion was a long time ago
00:37 <Flex> haha wtf
00:37 <Flex> extreme!
00:37 <StickyNoob> anyway
00:37 <Lucifer_pen> so in what countries has china recognized sovereignty, and attepted to dictate behavior/policy?
00:38 <fonkay> flag me when the politics is done
00:38 <Monkey_arma> lucifer...china did not have the power...it will soon though
00:38  * Monkey_arma agrees with fonkay 
00:38 <StickyNoob> Lucifer_pen: taiwan
00:38 <Monkey_arma> stfu please
00:38 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:38 <Lucifer_pen> so you're saying you're scared of them because of what they'll do *if* they become powerful?
00:38 <Monkey_arma> no
00:38 <Monkey_arma> im saying..
00:38  * Lucifer_pen quietly notes they didn't act that way when they were top dog in asia
00:38 <Flex> indirectly, yes
00:39 <Monkey_arma> I'm scared of them because of what they'll do *when* they become powerful
00:39 <Lucifer_pen> StickyNoob: taiwan is the successor to the chinese government the maoists overthrew
00:39 <Flex> there's good parts and bad parts to china.. i think we will have a more stable earth if they're on top..
00:39 <Lucifer_pen> StickyNoob: of course they don't recognize taiwan as sovereign, they're chinese!
00:39 <Lucifer_pen> wasn't until the 80s when Taiwan quit claiming to be the legitimate government of all China
00:39 <Monkey_arma> the thing also with china is that they have the numbers
00:39 <Flex> we wont have to hear all this bullshit about america[china] getting involved with everyone else on the planet.. and also maybe china wont be so hungry for oil
00:39 <StickyNoob> but the rest of the world recognises them as sovereign
00:39 <Monkey_arma> more  than europe and north america combined
00:40 <Monkey_arma> ok ehough
00:40 <Monkey_arma> *n
00:40 <Monkey_arma> some people are asking me if we can have a match
00:40 <Lucifer_pen> I don't think China will get to be top dog without winning a large-scale war
00:40 <Monkey_arma> who is interested?
00:40 <ct|kyle> lol China is becoming the biggest oil user
00:40 <Monkey_arma> if not enough  peeople then it wont happen..simple
00:40 <Lucifer_pen> that's something they've never done :)
00:40 <Flex> i think what concerns me is, china might be more ruthless then america.. in terms of how they go about their politics
00:40 <StickyNoob> yes an Eastern led word will not be fun but then im sure a western led world has not been fun for them
00:41 <Lucifer_pen> Flex: maybe that's true, but they're also honest
00:41 <Lucifer_pen> so take your pick, ruthless and honest, or lying cheating thieves?
00:41 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: where?
00:41 <Lucifer_pen> note that I'm not saying china is perfectly honest, just probably the most honest government on the planet
00:41 <Monkey_arma> ok good someone actually listening
00:41  * Lucifer_pen is working, believe it or not
00:41 <StickyNoob> ho come on Lucifer_pen
00:41 <Flex> america made the world into popcorn eating people.. china will make the world into _____
00:41 <Monkey_arma> kyle we will sort server out if enough people are interested...not an issue
00:41 <StickyNoob> most honest government on the planet?
00:41 <Lucifer_pen> Flex: wonton eaters?
00:42  * Lucifer_pen notes that mi6 participated in the some of the CIA's worst projects
00:42 <Flex> fuck off
00:42 <Flex> lol
00:42  * StickyNoob agrees
00:43 <Flex> you agree with him StickyNoob ?
00:43 <StickyNoob> yes
00:43 <Flex> now come on
00:43 <StickyNoob> look at the torture techniques used in guantanamo, suspiciously similar to those used in Northern Ireland
00:44 <Flex> if northern ireland was americas case it would of been a lot lot worse
00:44 <Lucifer_pen> nah, we would have granted them statehood :)
00:44 <Flex> bullshit
00:46 <Flex> we seem to not even talk about the major human right issues in china
00:46 <Flex> that alone is like a red flag on everything..
00:46 <Lucifer_pen> they're not terribly different from the major human right issues in the us
00:46 <Monkey_arma> oh they are
00:46 <Flex> major difference
00:46 <Monkey_arma> there are factories poisoning people to huge extents
00:46 <Lucifer_pen> really?  such as.....?
00:46 <Lucifer_pen> got that!
00:47 <Lucifer_pen> we call them "power plants" typically
00:47 <Flex> you think you can protest in china?
00:47 <Monkey_arma> not like to the extent in china
00:47 <Flex> they block youtube..
00:47 <Flex> OMAG
00:47 <Lucifer_pen> we build poor neighborhoods around them and put black people there to die
00:47 <StickyNoob> only slight issue is America TENDS not to do it to its own citizens
00:47 <Monkey_arma> the rivers are so polluted that they are dangerous
00:47 <Monkey_arma> some of them
00:47 <Lucifer_pen> only some?  we've got that too
00:47 <Flex> in china.. you wont get crazy nut jobs like alex jones
00:47 <Lucifer_pen> and that's a GOOD thing
00:47 <Flex> now that's something that insures we're ok
00:47 <Flex> overal.. that's not..
00:48 <Lucifer_pen> you think protests here do anything?
00:48 <Flex> atleast they wont get hunted over night
00:48 <Flex> and their familes erased
00:48 <ct|kyle> Flex: they block 99% of the ne t:D
00:48 <Flex> and when you get other countries saying something
00:48 <Monkey_arma> true..wikipedia
00:48 <Flex> china is going to say what?
00:48 <Lucifer_pen> they don't actually go after people's families like that
00:49 <Lucifer_pen> they stompt the protestors with tanks, we stomp them with riot gear
00:49 <Flex> there's a difference i'm willing to choose
00:49 <Lucifer_pen> people get killed and jailed, what's the difference?
00:50 <Lucifer_pen> moreover, by all accounts, china's prisons are actually better than the gang-rape sadist guard institution we've got
00:50 <noob13> #seen epsy
00:50 <armabot> noob13: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <epsy> cya, gonna ba back sunday, maybe thursday evening
00:50 <Flex> yeah, they like to steal your organs
00:50 <Flex> and sell them legally
00:50 <Lucifer_pen> sure, you'll be systematically tortured and reprogrammed, but is that really worse than being randomly tortured and let loose as an animal only to slap you in irons for not "rehabilitating"?
00:50 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-058-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [No route to host]
00:51 <Lucifer_pen> ah, they're not selling them legally, and they are selling them to the US
00:51 <StickyNoob> but we are forgeting the one fantastic thing about china their government is officialy atheist
00:51 <Flex> haha
00:51 <Flex> oh noes
00:52 <Lucifer_pen> heh, that's because they don't want to compete with churches
00:52 <Lucifer_pen> the mind control in the us is much more subtle
00:52 <Flex> that'll all change once they see that having pet boys is sweet
00:52 <Lucifer_pen> pet boys?
00:52 <StickyNoob> pet boys?
00:52 <StickyNoob> wtf do you get up to
00:52 <Lucifer_pen> that a catholic thing?
00:53 <StickyNoob> that is not a freedom in the UK, thats a crime
00:53 <Flex> hah
00:53 <Lucifer_pen> maybe he's afraid that China will assimilate that particular european tradition?
00:55 <Flex> http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/1011/1011_no_party.jpg
00:56 <fonkay> What's your favorite school supply?
00:56 <StickyNoob> a dc bench supply
00:56 <StickyNoob> +-24v preferably
00:57 <Flex> a european tradition? you guys invented it
00:58 <Lucifer_pen> heh
00:58 <Lucifer_pen> that's where you get your information?
00:59  * Lucifer_pen notes that Catholics were pedophiles before America was even thought of
00:59 <Flex> i'm pretty sure you guys were the first to add pedophila to the catholic religion
00:59 <Lucifer_pen> nope
00:59 <Lucifer_pen> we were the first to publicize it
00:59 <Lucifer_pen> and fight it
00:59 <Lucifer_pen> :)
00:59 <StickyNoob> Ireland publicised it first im sure
01:00 <Monkey_arma> ok im not gonna bother with match
01:00 <Lucifer_pen> there are some interesting open secrets in history about various individuals being pedophiles, but since they were powerful european aristocrats, nothing was done
01:00 <StickyNoob> fight it my arse, accepting vatican cash and shutting up, then not prosecuting the guy is hardly fighting it
01:00 <Lucifer_pen> how is that not fighting it?
01:00 <Lucifer_pen> conflict and victory don't require violence
01:01 <Lucifer_pen> bankrupting the biggest, richest, most powerful church in the world is no small feat
01:01 <Flex> hey, who's the homosexual royal individual that's on the news currently
01:01 <StickyNoob> yes and crimes should not be settled with a cash payout
01:01 <fonkay> What's your least favorite word?
01:02 <StickyNoob> meatspin
01:02 <Lucifer_pen> to convict, the standard of evidence is much higher than to hold liable
01:02 <Lucifer_pen> and you're tlaking about cases that came out many years after the abuse stopped.  There's no damn evidence to convict
01:02 <Lucifer_pen> but there is evidence to hold liable
01:03 <fonkay> Do you like guacamole?
01:03 <Lucifer_pen> hence the cash payout
01:03 <Lucifer_pen> fonkay: no
01:03 <Lucifer_pen> favorite word right now: cunnilingus
01:03 <Flex> fonkay, what's your favorite word?
01:03 <fonkay> *least
01:03 <Lucifer_pen> oh, right, sorry
01:04 <Lucifer_pen> irregardless
01:04 <Lucifer_pen> favorite school supply: duct tape
01:04 <Flex> glue for sure
01:04 <fonkay> I know this isn't a word. but my least favourite is :pickleweasle.
01:04 <Flex> what's your favourite..
01:04 <Lucifer_pen> heh, irregardless isn't a word either :)
01:04 <fonkay> compass (the geometry set kind)
01:05 <Flex> i was about to say that.. but i resisted
01:05 <fonkay> my favourite word? hmmm..
01:05 <StickyNoob> mine is OVERSIMPLIFICATION's
01:06 <StickyNoob> its the word with the most number of uniq letters in the standard linux dictionary
01:06 <Flex> how can you have a favourite or least favourite word..
01:06 <Flex> how do you come up with a choice..
01:06 <fonkay> metamorphisis
01:07 <Flex> Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu
01:07 <fonkay> that was my favourite word when i was little.
01:07 <Flex> because it was long..
01:07 <Flex> kinky
01:07 <fonkay> REally it was just a random "conversation starter" i found online while trying to break up the political debate
01:08 <fonkay> Which do you use more often, the dictionary or the thesaurus?
01:08 <Lucifer_pen> wikipedia
01:08 <fonkay> What's your favorite tree?
01:08 <Lucifer_pen> oak
01:08 <StickyNoob> genmecha
01:08 <fonkay> Who's your favorite Muppet?
01:08 <Lucifer_pen> animal!@
01:08 <Lucifer_pen> er,
01:09 <Lucifer_pen> actually, I like Dr. Teeth a lot too
01:09 <StickyNoob> gonzo
01:09 <fonkay> dictionary, willow, swedish chef
01:09 <Flex> this is hurting my head!!!
01:10 <fonkay> the swedish chef and beaker were the best.. not sure if it a coinsidence that neither of them said anything
01:10 <Lucifer_pen> the swedish chef said lots of things
01:10 <Lucifer_pen> he was just unintelligible
01:10 <fonkay> doesn't take too much flex... you'll be ok
01:10 <Lucifer_pen> I liked the captain of the pigs in space starship
01:10 <fonkay> haha
01:11 <Flex> i think luke-jr_  is frodo
01:11 <Lucifer_pen> anyway, gonna grab a smoke, bbiab
01:11 <fonkay> i love the history behind the swedish chef
01:11 <Flex> Lucifer, is sam
01:11 <fonkay> oooo smoke break.. sounds good bbi5
01:20 <fonkay> Does your chewing gum lose its flavor on the bedpost overnight?
01:20 <Lucifer_pen> Actually, this is about the only thing I can think of that GNU Emacs is not.  <--- haha
01:23 <fonkay> Have you ever been in a food fight?
01:25 <fonkay> What modern convenience should never have been invented?
01:25 <fonkay> Ok, i'll stop.
01:25 <Lucifer_pen> I just said the same thing while reading a "simple" emacs tutorial
01:25 <Lucifer_pen> there's got to be a better text editor for me to use in a terminal
01:26 <StickyNoob> nanoooooooooooo
01:26 <fonkay> if only i had any clue wtf you're talking about.
01:27 <StickyNoob> fonkay: file editors for the command line
01:27 <StickyNoob> ie vi vim jove nano emacs
01:28 <ct|kyle> pico
01:28 <Lucifer_pen> nano is kind of shitty
01:29 <Lucifer_pen> I use it for config files, but I want something I can work with c++ files now
01:29 <Lucifer_pen> I gave up trying to fit a robot development environment on a usb stick and taking it with me and am working on being able to ssh into a computer at home that has the robot development stuff on it
01:29 <Lucifer_pen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JED_%28text_editor%29  <-- looks promising
01:33 <madmax> Lucifer_pen: vim? :-P
01:33 <Lucifer_pen> hmm, actually, vim might work in putty
01:33 <Lucifer_pen> doesn't work well for some reason when I'm using konsole
01:36 <madmax> even if you don't like the editing modes, you can always use it in modeless er, mode --> 'vim -y'
01:38 <noob13> hmm wow i'm just trying jed. so far pretty sweet indeed.
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01:41 <Monkey_arma> viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
01:41 <fonkay> anyone seen mum around?
01:41 <Monkey_arma> <== vim
01:42 <Lucifer_pen> I like vim a lot, typically, but I want multi-document support and easy to switch between them
01:42 <Lucifer_pen> and like I said, I had trouble with the escape sequences in konsole, but maybe that's a konsole problem and not a putty problem
01:42 <Lucifer_pen> it's installed on the server, right now I'm trying to ge tthe robot simulator to run headless
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01:43 <StickyNoob> what simulator?
01:43 <Lucifer_pen> stage
01:44 <Lucifer_pen> part of player/stage
01:44 <StickyNoob> hahahahahahahahahahahah
01:44 <StickyNoob> hahahahah
01:44  * StickyNoob has done your headless patch
01:44 <StickyNoob> i had to have it work on a cluster
01:44 <StickyNoob> so had to patch it to headless
01:44 <Monkey_arma> oh noes..sticky on robots...
01:45 <StickyNoob> if you have admin on the boxes you are using, xvfb will be quicker than patching
01:45 <StickyNoob> ie quicker to implement, not to run
01:48 <Lucifer_pen> xvfb?
01:48 <Lucifer_pen> so stage can't run headless?
01:48 <StickyNoob> yes it can
01:49 <StickyNoob> if you fix the code
01:49 <StickyNoob> they may have fixed it since 2.0.1
01:49 <StickyNoob> but putting gui_disable 0 in the configs used to break it
01:51 <madmax> are you talking about that google xprize thing?
01:52 <Lucifer_pen> yes
01:52 <StickyNoob> xprize?
01:52 <madmax> how's it going?
01:52 <madmax> no one posted any news on the forum thread...
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02:00 <luke-jr_> z-man-work: btw, my wife says she feels rejected
02:00 <luke-jr_> jerk
02:00 <luke-jr_> :þ
02:03 <StickyNoob> Lucifer_pen: looking at the source i think they have fixed the gui_disable flag
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02:05 <fonkay> oh come on luke, how could you not see it coming?
02:08 <luke-jr> fonkay: f u too
02:11 <fonkay> It wasn't meant to be rude
02:12 <fonkay> even if that's hard for you to believe. ( i wouldn't blame you)
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02:18 <Monkey_arma> hi
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02:19 <StickyNoob> what a weird guy
02:20 <Monkey_arma> which one?
02:20 <StickyNoob> lolwhat
02:20 <StickyNoob> he talked in the x channel
02:20 <Monkey_arma> you probably know him then
02:20 <StickyNoob> no
02:20 <Monkey_arma> er ye
02:21 <StickyNoob> he came in via the x website irc interface
02:22 <Monkey_arma> damn you get some nutters on this game...lucky none of us are like that eh....
02:23 <Monkey_arma> like a bit mad or/and annoying
02:23 <noob13> yeh, some serious nutcases abouts these days
02:24 <noob13> luke-jr is the leader i think
02:24 <Monkey_arma> i am not mad or annoying
02:24 <Monkey_arma> i am mad AND annoying
02:24 <noob13> heh
02:25  * hoax agrees 100%
02:26 <Monkey_arma> i was just going to say where is hoax, we need a 100%
02:26 <Monkey_arma> jynx
02:26 <noob13> :P
02:26 <hoax> :)
02:26 <noob13> i was almost gonna do it for him..
02:26 <Monkey_arma> :(
02:26 <madmax> heh new scoring in nexus
02:26 <Monkey_arma> suicides?
02:26 <madmax> no
02:27 <noob13> no more -5 for DZ?
02:28 <hoax> hah, kiwi finaly left irc, maybe they alive again
02:29 <madmax> +5 kill, +2 round survivor
02:30 <Monkey_arma> whaaaaaat?
02:30 <madmax> dont see the purpose either
02:30 <Lucifer_pen> madmax: sorry, working right now too so I have to keep walking away
02:30 <hoax> pts for last one alive is lame
02:30 <Monkey_arma> *whaaaaaaat?!!!!!111one11!!
02:30 <Lucifer_pen> news is being posted on a different site now
02:31 <Lucifer_pen> http://orbitalrobotics.davefancella.com
02:31 <madmax> ah thanks
02:31 <StickyNoob> Lucifer_pen: any luck wits player/stage?
02:31 <Lucifer_pen> StickyNoob: installing gazebo instaed
02:31 <StickyNoob> heh
02:31 <StickyNoob> DOOOM
02:31 <Lucifer_pen> ?
02:32 <StickyNoob> unles you have one of the 2 gfx cards it supports your screwed
02:32 <Lucifer_pen> player/stage works fine at home, it's trying to use a remote linux box over ssh from windows that's the problem
02:32 <Lucifer_pen> ah, see, gazebo runs headless :)
02:32 <StickyNoob> ahh
02:32 <Lucifer_pen> I've run gazebo before, it's pretty nice
02:32 <StickyNoob> looks nice, but the gfx is a bitch
02:32 <Lucifer_pen> the simulation is what's important
02:33 <StickyNoob> yeah
02:33 <StickyNoob> stage will run headless now
02:33 <StickyNoob> was fixed in october
02:33 <Lucifer_pen> what version?
02:34 <StickyNoob> http://www.mail-archive.com/playerstage-commit@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01756.html
02:34 <StickyNoob> that was the commit that fixed it
02:34 <Lucifer_pen> so I may have to go to source to get it?
02:34 <StickyNoob> maby
02:35 <Lucifer_pen> alright, got gazebo building
02:35 <Lucifer_pen> I don't mind going to source for it, I just installed like I did out of convenience
02:35 <StickyNoob> what the deb package?
02:35 <Lucifer_pen> ubuntu
02:35 <StickyNoob> yeah i think they are a bit old
02:36 <Lucifer_pen> looks like there's a much newer stage released
02:36 <StickyNoob> 2.1 definately has the fix
02:39 <StickyNoob> i think all versions past 2.0.4 should be ok
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02:42 <Lucifer_pen> I have 2.0.3
02:42 <StickyNoob> heh, so close
02:44 <StickyNoob> mind you there is 15 months between 2.0.3 and 2.0.4
02:45 <Monkey_arma> oh sticky the firefox plugin just crashed firefox
02:45 <StickyNoob> ?
02:46 <StickyNoob> what plugin?
02:46 <Monkey_arma> the one that YOU recommended
02:46 <Monkey_arma> flash plugin
02:47 <StickyNoob> oh yeah
02:47 <Monkey_arma> oh yeah indeed
02:47 <StickyNoob> it does that
02:47 <Lucifer_pen> oh, building player/stage from source
02:47 <Lucifer_pen> s/oh/ok
02:47 <Monkey_arma> ok so why did you recommend a flash plugin that cant do flash and only crashes?
02:48 <Lucifer_pen> so you would quit wasting your life away watching flash animations
02:48 <StickyNoob> it does work, just crashes too
02:48 <Lucifer_pen> so you could ignore the worst part of the web this sid eof myspace?
02:48 <StickyNoob> utube!!!!!!
02:50 <Monkey_arma> StickyNoob, wrong
02:50 <StickyNoob> did you go for the free or non free flash player
02:52 <Monkey_arma> http://bayimg.com/laJnFaaBh
02:52 <Monkey_arma> see he does smile sometimes
02:53 <StickyNoob> wait a min...the shadows are all wrong...ITS A FAKE
02:54 <Monkey_arma> what shadows?
02:54 <StickyNoob> heh
02:54 <Monkey_arma> :)
02:54  * Monkey_arma didnt do it
02:54 <Monkey_arma> http://bayimg.com/LajNdaAbH
02:57 <noob13> lol!
03:18 <Lucifer_pen> er, how am I supposed to run stage headless from within player?
03:19 <StickyNoob> gui_disable 0
03:19 <StickyNoob> in one of the include files
03:20 <StickyNoob> note dont try to use any of the graphics interfaces when using it
03:26 <hoax> Monkey_arma, nexus?
03:26 <Monkey_arma> i have too bad fps..especially since epsy told me to upgrade to trunk
03:26 <Monkey_arma> and the scoring is mad now according to max
03:26 <hoax> need to check it out
03:26 <Monkey_arma> ok i come for 1 match
03:27 <noob13> don't ever listen to epsy.
03:27 <hoax> fuck trunk
03:27 <hoax> 2.8 is where its at
03:27 <hoax> trunks for geeks
03:27 <StickyNoob> tree luv ftw
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03:35 <luke-jr> hoax: 0.2.8*
03:35 <luke-jr> hoax: and that's what I've been saying this past month
03:35 <luke-jr> hoax: at the rate things are going, should really be 0.2.9
03:35 <hoax> great, shame no one listens to ya :P
03:36 <hoax> get 2.3 out already i wana upgrade
03:37 <StickyNoob> you need to skip a few versions and anounce 1.0.0
03:37 <luke-jr> StickyNoob: what's to skip?
03:38 <luke-jr> 0.3 was always intended to become 1.0, IIRC
03:38 <StickyNoob> i duno, do you have specific features you want for 1.0  or are you just doing the its ready when its ready idea?
03:41 <Monkey_arma> not ready for 1 AT ALL
03:41 <Monkey_arma> dont even do that
03:41 <StickyNoob> what do you want to see before 1.0?
03:45 <StickyNoob> right
03:45 <StickyNoob> #night
03:45 <armabot> Good night StickyNoob!
03:54 <Monkey_arma> what need doing before 1? lots
03:54 <Monkey_arma> lots and lots and lots
03:55 <hoax> like?
03:55 <Monkey_arma> ok first off sort out the glances
03:56 <Monkey_arma> give a choice of the current 2 types and then one more where the 4 glances are up/down/left/right
03:56 <Monkey_arma> lots of other things
03:56 <hoax> glances are fine in 2.8
03:56 <Monkey_arma> tk's are not detected correctly
03:56 <Monkey_arma> and someone can slate me here but a lag  code 2 needs to be done
03:56 <Monkey_arma> i should not get disconnected like i do
03:56 <Monkey_arma> net code or whatever
03:57 <hoax> you get disconnected cuz you have a shit connection
03:57 <Monkey_arma> it should realise people are spiking
03:57 <Monkey_arma> true
03:57 <Monkey_arma> my fps seems to be a factor
03:57 <Monkey_arma> it should not be
03:57 <Monkey_arma> there are also lots of console commands/variables to be added
03:57 <Monkey_arma> there are so many things  i think of while playing
03:58 <Monkey_arma> the core dump/tk detection is just not right...it needs altering no matter what they say
03:58 <hoax> write them down, add them to the forum list
03:58 <Monkey_arma> im not moaning
03:58 <Monkey_arma> just saying
03:58 <Monkey_arma> ive told  wrtl some  of them
03:58 <Lucifer> heh
03:58 <Lucifer> do you have any idea how *hard* it is to detect core dumps?
03:58 <Monkey_arma> of COURSE
03:58 <Lucifer> there are configuration parameters for it to fool with it
03:59 <Lucifer> but it's a really hard problem that computers can't solve, only referees can solve them
03:59 <Monkey_arma> the algorithm for core dumps needs some real AI style coding..some hard shit i know
03:59 <Monkey_arma> well again i dont agree to some extent
03:59 <Lucifer> I should mention nobody's arguing that it can't be improved
03:59 <Monkey_arma> im not saying im an expert
03:59 <Lucifer> that's exactly the point.  :)
03:59 <Monkey_arma> exactly..my criticism is always constructive
03:59 <Monkey_arma> apart from the glance thing
03:59 <Monkey_arma> that sucks
03:59 <Lucifer> go through the code and see if you can give more specific ideas
04:00 <Lucifer> "it needs to be improved because it isn't right" is an extremely useless criticism
04:00 <Monkey_arma> a lot of the hard work in tron  has been done ..but there are many loose ends to tie up
04:00 <Lucifer> it already has AI style coding, the core dump detection
04:00 <Monkey_arma> and a version 1 should be something special...im not saying never release 1
04:00 <Monkey_arma> i bet it is
04:00 <Monkey_arma> :)
04:00 <Lucifer> it's not just some little algorithm, it's several hundred lines
04:00 <Monkey_arma> it must be the hardest thing in tron to code
04:00 <Monkey_arma> i know
04:01 <Monkey_arma> i know how hard AI is
04:01 <Monkey_arma> dont get defensive :)
04:01 <Lucifer> it's a problem that's been thoroughly analyzed from many different directions, and what's there is the best we can come up with
04:01 <Monkey_arma> ..at the moment
04:01 <Lucifer> now, I'm exaggerating a tad, but it really is a hard problem
04:01 <Lucifer> it's just like the ladder, in fact
04:01 <Monkey_arma> that will be the hardest thing to sort out agreed
04:02 <Lucifer> how do you make a ladder that accurately ranks people according to their relative skills?
04:02 <Lucifer> it's exactly the same problem :)
04:02 <Monkey_arma> ladder is even hardere
04:02 <Monkey_arma> no its even harder
04:02 <Monkey_arma> :)
04:02 <Monkey_arma> forget ladders
04:02 <Lucifer> I disagree, I say they're the same problem
04:02 <Monkey_arma> very similar
04:02 <Monkey_arma> but not the same
04:02 <Lucifer> I could build a tunnel and trick you into going into it
04:02 <Lucifer> do I get credit for the kill?
04:02 <Monkey_arma> with  team servers  it is not the same
04:02 <Monkey_arma> maybe in single player servers
04:02 <Monkey_arma> but not team
04:02 <Lucifer> the suicide/tk thing is very much configurble
04:03 <Lucifer> what we need is for people to screw with the configuration and tell us what settings work which way they work
04:03 <Lucifer> we need community involvement :)
04:03 <Monkey_arma> i totally get the complexity of the detection...that is the kind of thing i like thinking about
04:03 <Lucifer> that will allow us to compare the actual results to the expected results and improve the algorithm
04:03 <Monkey_arma> i remember a guy doing some animal simulation on how they flock/move
04:03 <Lucifer> nothing else can replace experimental data, and to my knowledge there isn't any because nobody's collecting it :)
04:04 <Monkey_arma> my c++ is rusty :)
04:04 <Lucifer> well, if you can code, even a little bit, it would be worth your time to look at the detection code
04:04 <Lucifer> rusty is fine, I'm not asking for a patch for once :)
04:04 <Lucifer> just look through it, understand it, see what kind of specifics you can find
04:05 <Monkey_arma> i've still got stuff to learn but some day  i might contribute
04:05 <Monkey_arma> certainly the docs in tron suck
04:05 <Monkey_arma> the wiki :|
04:05 <Lucifer> anyway, I've got to move on, my wife wants to talk to me, and I have to pack for my trip
04:05 <Monkey_arma> sure
04:05 <Lucifer> eat dinner, drink some wine, etc ;)
04:05 <hoax> wtf is 2.3 coming out?
04:05 <hoax> .3*
04:06 <Monkey_arma> idk
04:07 <Monkey_arma> s/rusty/rusty&sucky/
04:12 <hoax> lots of little additions but never really a final release like
04:13 <hoax> tbf thats how i would roll so
04:15 <Monkey_arma> also it would have been nice to  have a stable release come out  more often...but that wont be an issue soon anyway i think
04:16 <Monkey_arma> hoax, i think they are getting ready to release .3 or whatever and .2.x will die..i may be wrong
04:17 <hoax> hmm
04:17  * hoax waits for ;)
04:17 <Monkey_arma> i think StickyNoob should contribute...he is a good coder it seems...he knows his stuff more than me
04:18 <hoax> i couldnt say anything about that
04:19 <hoax> im just one of these that plays the game ;)
04:19 <Monkey_arma> me too ...
04:19 <Monkey_arma> :)
04:19 <Monkey_arma> at the mo
04:23 <luke-jr> giving proper attribution to kills really requires wetware
04:24 <luke-jr> you need to know what the intentions of every player were
04:24 <Monkey_arma> to some extent
04:24 <Monkey_arma> but not totalluy
04:36 <Lucifer> you deserve credit for kills you didn't intend to make, I think
04:36 <Lucifer> if you go in a tunnel, and some asshat follows you for no good reason, and you survive and he doesn't, you deserve credit :)
04:36 <luke-jr> Lucifer: not if someone else saw you and intended to take the kill :þ
04:36 <Lucifer> how about this situation that comes up in last man standing
04:37 <Lucifer> you see two people fighting it out, so you jump in, create a bunch of chaos, and take them both out?
04:37 <Lucifer> in my world, you get credit for the kills, even if they are cheap, but in arma's world, one of them will get credit for the other, and if you're lucky, you'll get credit for one
04:38 <luke-jr> hm
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04:38 <Lucifer> even knowing intentions, how do you resolve it?  You've got two players intending to kill each other, and a third player intending to kill both
04:39 <luke-jr> split credit?
04:39 <luke-jr> or, if both die, give credit to the one with the intention to kill both
04:39 <Lucifer> sure, make it configurable, the question I'm asking is "How do you detect it?"  ;)
04:39 <luke-jr> wetware :þ
04:39 <Lucifer> I know I said "resolve", but I meant "detect", and you should bbe able to read my mind!
04:40 <Lucifer> I told him earlier that you need referees to ensure proper credit to everyone :)
04:40 <Lucifer> even then, you'll have refs and players fighting over who gets credit every now and then
04:40 <Lucifer> if humans can't resolve the problem, why does anybody think a computer can?
04:41 <luke-jr> at least a computer is objective
04:41 <Lucifer> all things considered, I think arma does a very good job of crediting kills
04:41 <Lucifer> and I seriously doubt anybody could do better :)
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04:44 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma fail!
04:44 <Monkey_arma> my computer, OS and ISP   ..... FAIL
04:45 <Monkey_arma> *EPIC FAIL
04:45  * luke-jr win.
04:45  * luke-jr h4x0r Monkey_arma & NTL!
04:46 <Monkey_arma> oh no its called Virgin Media now
04:46 <Monkey_arma> same shit company
04:46 <luke-jr> well "NTL" sufficed for hacking them
04:46 <luke-jr> and taking down their cable network
04:46 <Monkey_arma> yes
04:46 <Monkey_arma> not hard
04:47 <hoax> u knoe they hacked sky recently monk, all channels for all soon ;)
04:47 <luke-jr> wtf hoax
04:47 <luke-jr> speek English polz
04:48  * hoax dont speaka ina americanish
04:49 <hoax> Monkey_arma if i had to be on virgin for time id go get a hacked box & buy a modem with custom firmware
04:49  * luke-jr snickers
04:49 <Monkey_arma> taht woz m3 ..aye h4x0r3d t3h s|<y w1f my s|<1llz
04:49 <luke-jr> hoax would end up in jail
04:49 <Monkey_arma> hoax is close to jail
04:50 <Monkey_arma> you cant haxor the modems anymore..they do the speed at the server
04:50 <Monkey_arma> i think
04:50 <hoax> haha, ye theyd catch u eventually, whether they can prove its you or not is another question
04:50 <luke-jr> hoax: no, they'd catch you.
04:50 <luke-jr> not me.
04:50 <hoax> no u can get the modem off ebay
04:51 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: no, cable always does capping at the modem
04:51 <Monkey_arma> well they used to i know that
04:51 <Monkey_arma> i rember 2 certain members on here discussing it and there is a cool website
04:51 <luke-jr> TCNiSO is a company
04:53 <luke-jr> I've run a hacked modem for years continuously before.
04:53 <luke-jr> but I know how to not get caught.
04:53 <luke-jr> (and I stay legal, just in case)
04:53 <hoax> alright hyphy
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13:54 <dnmtnk> Raiden go out my nick
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13:55 <noob13> heh?
13:57 <wrtlprnft> heh, he probably isn't usually in this channel
13:57 <wrtlprnft> #gulyabani.net apparently
14:13 <pippijn> :-D
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14:55 <wrtlprnft> http://web.mit.edu/ksplice/
14:55 <wrtlprnft> that sounds extremely interesting
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17:39 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: yes :-)
17:40 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: I have hacked the running kernel memory before.. the basic idea behind ksplice is trivial, but in order to make it 100% safe, I suspect it is no longer trivial
17:41 <pippijn> Q: Doesn't Ksplice help bad guys introduce non-GPL code in the kernel and/or create malware?
17:42 <pippijn> OOOH
17:42 <pippijn> BAD GUYS WITH NON-GPL
17:42 <pippijn> :-D
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17:42  * pippijn laughs
17:42  * pippijn shakes his head
17:42 <pippijn> pathetic.
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17:42 <pippijn> bbl
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