Log from 2008-04-21:
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00:03 <madmax> #sd nexus
00:03 <armabot> madmax: Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!): Players (10/16): alex, Blu, Colin ~$teel~, God, jet batman, Jichael Mackson, mot1, Mr Evil Guy, N9::Kef, NitroGrinder
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00:28 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
00:28 <armabot> pong
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00:38 <pippijn> wrtlprnft, zmanuel: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/scalar.h.txt
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00:41 <madmax> #ss cafe
00:41 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café (14/32): Team blue (10): Blackbird (4), CTºAdy-Lucifer (2), MaZuffeR (2), ~*SP*~ d3m0n (2), Player 1 (0), hoop (0); Team gold (5): AshitakA (2), madmax (2), ¦×¦ Hoax (1), Desolate (0), Radian (0), alias (0), ¦×¦rolf mao (0), ¦×¦xs20 (0)
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01:46 <noob13> #tea
01:46 <armabot> noob13: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): alias, CtxWoned, hoop (hoop@forums), I/O Bus, madmax, MaZuffeR, Monkey, Player 1, Player 2, Radian, ~*<y<lo*~
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02:25 <Valathar> anyone here bored enough to help me setup a linux dedicated armegetron server with no rubber <im a aregetron n00b thatcant find a howto for this particular subject>
02:25 <luke-jr> Valathar: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org :þ
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02:26 <Valathar> psh fsck that i own 5 dedicated servers why would i buy hosting
02:27 <luke-jr> if you have 5 dedis, you should be able to read the wiki ;)
02:27 <luke-jr> unless you have a more specific problem
02:28 <Valathar> i can setup and start the server fine i just wondering which config and which config params to set it as a no rubber server
02:28 <luke-jr> CYCLE_RUBBER 0
02:29 <Valathar> ty
02:33 <Lucifer> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_Administration_Guide
02:35 <Monkey_arma> lmao @ luke-jr (pwned)
02:36 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: f u
02:36 <Monkey_arma> :)
02:36 <Monkey_arma> nice one Valathar
02:37 <Monkey_arma> the wiki is a bit messy but quite a lot of what u need is there
02:40 <Monkey_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Console_Commands
02:40 <Monkey_arma> bookmark that page
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02:44 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:44 <armabot> pong
02:45 <Lucifer> #ding
02:45 <armabot> dong
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03:27 <Lucifer> #math calc 32-18
03:27 <armabot> Lucifer: 14
03:30 <Lucifer> #math calc 65535-32
03:30 <armabot> Lucifer: 65503
03:35 <Lucifer> #math calc 2**16
03:35 <armabot> Lucifer: 65536
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04:08 <Valathar> ty luke-jr and Monkey_arma servers up and working great but i know u hear this alot how do you add colour to the server name <doesit use basic bash colour definitions or what>
04:08 <luke-jr> 0xrrggbb
04:09 <Valathar> ah
04:18 <Lucifer> be aware that that's annoying :)
04:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer: in server names?
04:18 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yes
04:20 <Lucifer> hmmm, this is fun, writing in python and c++ at the same time :)
04:20 * Lucifer has to write a python client and c++ server for the same network protocol
04:35 <Monkey_arma> Lucifer, wrong...server names with colour are ok
04:35 <Monkey_arma> colours in chat are annoying however
04:36 <Monkey_arma> Valathar, glad to help
04:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8433 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.3.0-r1.ebuild): http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5068221.html#5068221
04:50 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8434 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.3.0-r1.ebuild): http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5068221.html#5068221
04:50 <Monkey_arma> BUG
04:50 <Monkey_arma> ok i just left ctf, then about 10 seconds later looked on the master list and i am still in the server so i cant get in
04:50 <Monkey_arma> !
04:50 <Monkey_arma> but im not in there
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05:04 <DrJoeTron> so this is where the parties at
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05:06 <Lucifer> yes it is, joe
05:06 <Lucifer> hey, go join the TWG game
05:07 <DrJoeTron> TWG?
05:07 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18384
05:07 <Lucifer> here's the first game we played:
05:07 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18374
05:10 <DrJoeTron> i donno if i have that much dedication set for a forum game :T
05:11 <DrJoeTron> haha so many ReBoot referrences
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05:15 <Lucifer> Master Control Program is copyright 2007 by <the people who made it>
05:15 <Lucifer> looks like I need to do a little sed magic on that program
05:15 <GodTodd> reference
05:15 <GodTodd> > to "Bleak House." Dickens understood the soul-dampening impact of
05:15 <GodTodd> > pointless litigation that--in the end--only benefits the
05:16 <GodTodd> goddammit
05:16 <luke-jr> GodTodd: f u too
05:16 <Lucifer> yeah, things that benefit the goddammit are really annoying
05:17 <GodTodd> fuck you luke-jr if i want your input i'll say "hey moron"
05:17 <Lucifer> hey GodTodd (hi there!) , you outta get in on this game
05:17 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you know I only respond when you don't want me to
05:18 <GodTodd> Lucifer, what game?
05:18 <Lucifer> also, it would be really nice if you don't piss off luke to where I have to ignore him again, since he's in this game and I'll want to know every stupid word he utters here
05:18 <Lucifer> [22:08] <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18384
05:18 <Lucifer> [22:08] <Lucifer> here's the first game we played:
05:18 <Lucifer> [22:08] <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18374
05:18 <GodTodd> oh, that
05:18 <GodTodd> heh
05:18 <Lucifer> if joe doesn't play, I'll need someone to finger randomly
05:19 * GodTodd likes random fingering.
05:19 <DrJoeTron> you know im easy
05:19 <DrJoeTron> c'mon now
05:19 <Lucifer> can chars be dealt with like ints?
05:20 <DrJoeTron> c'mon now
05:20 <GodTodd> joe's here?!?!
05:20 <GodTodd> holy fuck
05:20 <DrJoeTron> ~sup duder~
05:20 <Lucifer> like, can i just say char something = 5; ?
05:20 <Lucifer> yeah, thought he got swallowed up in that earthquake, didn't you?
05:20 <Lucifer> that was just joe finally taking a dump
05:20 <DrJoeTron> MIDWEST EARTHQUAKE 2K8 SURVIVOR REPRESENT
05:20 <GodTodd> thought, hoped, whichever you choose ;)
05:21 <Lucifer> man, that was a wussy earthquake
05:21 <Lucifer> it was only like a 5.something
05:21 <GodTodd> bah...we had like 6 tornados here
05:21 <Lucifer> didn't even crack the liberty bell
05:21 <Lucifer> hey, did anybody get hurt in it?
05:21 <Lucifer> the one I was in in seattle, nobody got hurt ;)
05:21 <GodTodd> not that i heard of
05:21 <GodTodd> lots of fucking trees and power poles knocked down tho
05:22 <Lucifer> well yeah, if you stick a piece of wood straight up in the ground and the ground starts shaking, the wood falls
05:22 <Lucifer> much like luke-jr's penis
05:22 <GodTodd> except trees and poles are erect :)
05:23 <DrJoeTron> fffffffff
05:23 <Lucifer> did you miss us joe?
05:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah, like a tumor
05:23 <Lucifer> isn't that a song?
05:23 <Lucifer> "like a tumor, touched for the very first time, like a tuuuuuu uuuuuu uuuuuuuuuumor"
05:23 <GodTodd> lanced for the very first time?
05:24 <Lucifer> lanced, that's it
05:24 * Lucifer wouldn't be surprised if weird al did a song like that
05:24 <DrJoeTron> like a surgeon?
05:25 <GodTodd> btw...if there's weird clicks and pastes from me...my 2 year old horked my trackpad here so i need to fix it :/
05:25 <Lucifer> heh
05:25 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I need one of those ps/2->usb adapters
05:25 <Lucifer> so I can hook up my footpedals and my trackmouse
05:26 <DrJoeTron> your arms fall off again?
05:26 <Lucifer> I'll see if freecycle's got one
05:26 <GodTodd> then my modem went out and we had to have it replaced
05:26 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: yeah, just about, all that fencing you know....
05:26 <GodTodd> *and* he broke my cell phone
05:26 <Lucifer> why didn't you just go to the place your modem went and bring it back?
05:26 <GodTodd> not been a good w/e electronically
05:26 <GodTodd> heh
05:26 <Lucifer> haha
05:26 <GodTodd> reference
05:26 <GodTodd> > to "Bleak House." Dickens understood the soul-dampening impact of
05:26 <GodTodd> > pointless litigation that--in the end--only benefits the
05:26 <GodTodd> reference
05:26 <GodTodd> > to "Bleak House." Dickens understood the soul-dampening impact of
05:26 <GodTodd> > pointless litigation that--in the end--only benefits the
05:26 <GodTodd> reference
05:26 <Lucifer> just remember, the terrible twos are just a fear tactic, the threes really are terrible
05:26 <GodTodd> > to "Bleak House." Dickens understood the soul-dampening impact of
05:26 <GodTodd> > pointless litigation that--in the end--only benefits the
05:26 <GodTodd> reference
05:27 <GodTodd> > to "Bleak House." Dickens understood the soul-dampening impact of
05:27 <GodTodd> > pointless litigation that--in the end--only benefits the
05:27 <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
05:27 <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
05:27 <GodTodd> so're the 9s :/
05:27 <Lucifer> heh, my 9yo is great :)
05:27 <Lucifer> she's cooking with me now
05:27 <DrJoeTron> MY CHILDREN
05:27 <GodTodd> so's mine...but then he bitches about it when it's time to eat
05:27 <GodTodd> heh
05:28 <Lucifer> heh, yeah. She made a wonderful salad, then didn't eat any of it, poor thing
05:28 <Lucifer> she usually gets a half hour teacher-type lecture about cooking, though, so she's coming along nicely
05:28 <GodTodd> fuck...2 weeks til finals :/
05:28 <luke-jr> my 2 yo makes a good salad
05:28 <GodTodd> errible
05:28 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
05:28 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
05:28 <DrJoeTron> any windows XP users awake y/n
05:28 <GodTodd> grrr
05:29 <Lucifer> n
05:29 <DrJoeTron> damn
05:29 <GodTodd> i use it on occasion
05:29 <DrJoeTron> i got a taskbar question : (
05:29 <GodTodd> errible
05:29 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
05:29 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
05:29 <GodTodd> and the taskbar can't answer it?
05:29 <DrJoeTron> nope
05:29 <GodTodd> stupid taskbar
05:29 <Lucifer> yeah, isn't windows all about answering your questions experimentally becuase nobody else knows the answer?
05:29 <DrJoeTron> i want to set it up on the left, but have the start menu on the bottom rather than the top
05:30 <DrJoeTron> ~lol install lunex problem solved~ etc etc etc
05:30 <Lucifer> did you try right-clicking the start menu and choosing "properties"?
05:30 <GodTodd> sec...i'll see how mine's set up
05:30 <DrJoeTron> yeah, it only shoves the start menu to the top, not the bottom
05:30 * Lucifer doesn't remember if it's possible to move the start menu, but knows it's really easy to move the K menu
05:30 <DrJoeTron> i dont want it there :T
05:31 <Lucifer> did you get one of them widescreen monitors and figure out the taskbar is just wasted vertical space?
05:31 * Lucifer has had his panel on the right for a long time now
05:31 <DrJoeTron> y
05:31 <DrJoeTron> yeah i got one over the summer
05:31 <DrJoeTron> absolutely love it
05:31 <DrJoeTron> my video card on the other hand doesn't
05:31 <Lucifer> they're wonderful
05:32 <Lucifer> video cards suck
05:32 <DrJoeTron> this one would be fine if i wasn't running 1680x1050 but it does a decient job
05:32 <Lucifer> man, I got this datagram thing designed, now I don't know what kind of api I want to write to build the damn things
05:32 <Lucifer> how big is it?
05:32 <Lucifer> on mine I wouldn't be able to use it at that high of a resolution
05:33 <Lucifer> I run 1280x800 and that's perfect for me
05:33 <DrJoeTron> 22 inch
05:33 <Lucifer> ah
05:33 <Lucifer> hey, got an extra one of those? ;)
05:33 <DrJoeTron> oh sure do
05:34 <Lucifer> send it to me with that computer
05:34 <DrJoeTron> ko
05:34 <DrJoeTron> i like my pc but i'd like to up the video card
05:34 <DrJoeTron> most stable computer i've ever had :)
05:34 <Lucifer> I need a new cpu fan :(
05:35 <Lucifer> failing that, I need to build a new desktop, but I'm so addicted to LCD screens and have such little desktop area, I can't just throw an old CRT on my desk
05:35 <DrJoeTron> lcd is fantastic
05:35 <Ttech> DrJoeTron, drugs?
05:35 <DrJoeTron> yeah i crack open monitors and suck the juices out
05:35 <DrJoeTron> ~3/20 bro~
05:36 <fonkay> wassup
05:36 * Ttech cries
05:36 <Ttech> LSD too?
05:37 <Lucifer> he likes to do lds
05:38 <luke-jr> ew, LDS
05:38 <Valathar> lmao
05:38 <Lucifer> oh come on, they hate women, how can *you* not like them?
05:38 <DrJoeTron> uh oh hide the fun luke-jr's here
05:38 * Lucifer has been following the FLDS story pretty closely
05:38 <Lucifer> thinking about luke-jr the whole time
05:41 <luke-jr> Lucifer: why?
05:41 <Lucifer> luke-jr: misogynists
05:41 <DrJoeTron> ^^^^^
05:41 <DrJoeTron> ------^that
05:42 <Lucifer> #dict misogynist
05:42 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: misogynist n : a misanthrope who dislikes women in particular [syn: {woman hater}]; gcide: Misogynist \Mi*sog"y*nist\ (m[i^]*s[o^]j"[i^]*n[i^]st), n. [Gr. misogy`nhs, misogy`naios; misei^n to hate + gynh` woman: cf. F. misogyne.] A woman hater. Contrast {misandrist}. --Fuller. [1913 Webster +PJC]; moby-thes: 21 Moby Thesaurus words for (1 more message)
05:42 <luke-jr> and…?
05:42 <luke-jr> about the only thing I have in common with them is that both of us were invaded by CPS with no legitimate basis
05:43 <DrJoeTron> ~gurls are gross~
05:45 <DrJoeTron> #m
05:45 <armabot> DrJoeTron: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
05:45 <fonkay> damn straight
05:45 <DrJoeTron> #m Your_mom_arma did you ever get orange box?
05:45 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The operation succeeded.
05:46 <Lucifer> they had a legitimate basis to go after FLDS, they had a call from a teenager saying she was being abused and raped and shit
05:46 <Lucifer> if that's not a legitimate basis, then what is?
05:46 <Lucifer> (assuming the call is for real, of course, and not faked in a way that CPS knew about it before they went in)
05:46 <fonkay> wtf is the flds?
05:46 <DrJoeTron> <fonkay> wtf is the flds?
05:46 <Lucifer> fundamentalist latter day saints
05:46 <DrJoeTron> oh
05:46 <DrJoeTron> haaaave fun with that conversation
05:47 <Lucifer> splinter group from the main lds church that still practices polygamy, lives in compounds with guards and shit
05:47 <luke-jr> Lucifer: actually, it was a prank call
05:47 <luke-jr> from Colorado
05:48 <Lucifer> that's not very far from missouri.....
05:48 <fonkay> oooooh, ok.
05:48 <Lucifer> how do you know it was a prank call?
05:49 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I don't; I'm not following the story closely
05:49 <luke-jr> that's just what I've heard
05:51 <Lucifer> ah, they're still trying to track it down
05:51 <Lucifer> at least, last I saw
05:51 <Lucifer> even if it was a prank call, as long as CPS didn't know about it, they had every right to go in
05:51 <Lucifer> what they found after they went in will have its day in court
05:53 <luke-jr> why would someone in FL have a CO callerid?
05:53 <luke-jr> s/FL/TX/
05:53 <Lucifer> cell phone
05:53 <Lucifer> the call was made on a borrowed cell phone
05:55 <luke-jr> shrug, if it wasn't prank then there's nothing in common
05:56 <fonkay> g'night
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06:03 <Valathar> ok last n00b question of the night how do i change the text inthe instant chat bindings?
06:08 <GodTodd> Lucifer, yeah...they arrested some chick for making the false call
06:08 <GodTodd> but cps didn't know it was fake til la
06:08 <GodTodd> errible
06:08 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:08 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:08 <GodTodd> ter
06:08 <GodTodd> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
06:08 <GodTodd> errible
06:08 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:08 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:10 <Lucifer> Valathar: check your player settings, there's a gui for that
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06:14 <GodTodd> errible
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:14 <GodTodd> errible
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:14 <GodTodd> errible
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:14 <GodTodd> errible
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:14 <GodTodd> errible
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:14 <GodTodd> errible
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:14 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:15 <GodTodd> errible
06:15 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:15 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:15 <GodTodd> probably gonna have to break into this box to fix this :/
06:16 <GodTodd> errible
06:16 <GodTodd> [22:27] <GodTodd> fuck fuck fuck
06:16 <GodTodd> [22:27] <Lucifer> he could focus a different window to do that
06:21 <luke-jr> spammer
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06:26 <Valathar> ty Lucifer i found it
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06:30 <Stewie-arma> aww 3rd login in 3 hours I see Todd...
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06:31 <DrJoeTron> bbl i swear
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06:56 <GodTodd> okay...we'll give this a try...theoretically the touchpad is disabled now
06:58 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8435 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): patch for autoconf
07:05 <Lucifer> hmmmm
07:05 <Lucifer> got some arma code that doesn't seem to work right
07:05 <Lucifer> maybe I need to bind the socket again
07:06 <Lucifer> z-man-work: ping
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12:57 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8436 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy46: show network version in /players, too
13:16 <armabot> lpbugs: [220195] port mismatch while authing, client sending a wrong port
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15:26 <epsy> Got one!
15:28 <joda_bot> epsy: ? congrats to whatever you got ;)
15:28 <epsy> got a weird mismatch with server record :)
15:29 <joda_bot> ah that's what happens on the server browser ?!
15:29 <epsy> an IP mismatch during auth
15:29 <joda_bot> oh ah, not the server browser ;
15:29 <epsy> :)
15:37 <epsy> wasn't the one i was looking for anyway meh
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17:13 <epsy> #echo epsy46
17:13 <armabot> epsy46
17:13 <epsy> #echo epsy
17:13 <armabot> epsy
17:13 <epsy> #echo epsy
17:13 <armabot> epsy
17:13 <epsy> #echo somethingepsy
17:13 <armabot> somethingepsy
17:13 <epsy> #echo something_epsy
17:13 <armabot> something_epsy
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17:14 <Raiden05> #echo hi raiden
17:14 <armabot> hi raiden
17:14 <Raiden05> =P
17:15 <epsy> Raiden05, i was wondering why commit messages didn't highlight me :)
17:15 <epsy> #hello madmax
17:15 <armabot> Hello epsy madmax :) Quote #45: "better an idiot that can admit it than a luke-jr....er, idiot that can't --GodTodd" (added by Lucifer_arma at 03:35 AM, March 12, 2007)
17:15 <epsy> errr
17:15 <Raiden05> :)
17:15 <madmax> #hello epsy
17:15 <armabot> Hello madmax epsy :) Quote #45: "better an idiot that can admit it than a luke-jr....er, idiot that can't --GodTodd" (added by Lucifer_arma at 03:35 AM, March 12, 2007)
17:16 <epsy> Raiden05, you see what's a commit message?
17:16 <Raiden05> ys
17:16 <Raiden05> ya
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17:17 <Raiden05> #hello all
17:17 <armabot> Hello Raiden05 all :) Quote #47: "ooo, a fez. I would look awesome in a fez -- Lucifer_arma (2007-04-12 19:38)" (added by MrBougo at 08:48 AM, April 15, 2007)
17:17 <Hoax> #morning
17:17 <armabot> Good Morning Hoax Random Fortune: Look at it this way: Your wife's spending $280 a month on meditation lessons to || forget $26,000 of college education. And you're still drinking ordinary scotch?
17:17 <Hoax> :/
17:17 * madmax notes #hello is supposed to be used without arg
17:17 <MrBougo> hehe
17:17 <Hoax> haha
17:17 <MrBougo> #hello
17:17 <armabot> Hello MrBougo :) Quote #57: "* epsy runs away from MrBougo | <epsy> i'm gonna take a shower brb | * MrBougo follows epsy *" (added by MrBougo at 01:38 PM, August 12, 2007)
17:17 <epsy> hi Hoax Random Fortune
17:18 <Hoax> lmao
17:18 <MrBougo> this quote is stupid
17:18 <epsy> damn teh blegian
17:18 <epsy> hahaha
17:18 <MrBougo> #quote random
17:18 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #29: "It was like playing a game with a ping of 3000. -- John Carmack, Founder, Armadillo Aerospace" (added by GodTodd at 05:34 AM, October 29, 2006)
17:18 <MrBougo> eh.
17:18 <epsy> lol
17:18 <MrBougo> #quote random
17:18 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
17:18 <MrBougo> #quote random
17:18 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #30: "Fonkay: Are you afraid of sex? -armabot" (added by spidey at 01:02 AM, November 02, 2006)
17:18 <epsy> #q
17:18 <armabot> epsy: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
17:19 <MrBougo> heh
17:19 <epsy> #help hello
17:19 <armabot> epsy: (hello <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Hello $who $* :) [q]".
17:19 <epsy> madmax, [pause] NAAT
17:20 <epsy> MrBougo, did you ever seen borat in french?
17:20 <epsy> have*
17:22 <madmax> NAAT? is that 'kewl' for not?
17:22 <epsy> it is NAAAT
17:22 <epsy> :)
17:22 <madmax> whoa, As are getting added
17:22 <madmax> >_<
17:23 <Hoax> yagshemash!
17:23 <MrBougo> epsy: nap
17:23 <epsy> MrBougo, lucky you
17:25 <MrBougo> :p
17:29 * noob7 wonders why anybody would watch a film like borat in a synchronized version...
17:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:34 * wrtlprnft wonders why everyone would want to see any english film in a synchronized version
17:35 <wrtlprnft> they all suck. Watch an english film in both english and your native language and you'll notice how much you miss if you watch the synchronized one
17:35 <noob7> a) people that suck at english b) ignoratns
17:35 <wrtlprnft> s/everyone/anyone/
17:35 * wrtlprnft sucks at english :-x
17:36 <noob7> hehe, why do you think theres only 3 or 4 cinemas in munich that show original movies anymore...
17:36 <wrtlprnft> :-(
17:36 <wrtlprnft> why do you think i tend to download movies instead of going to a cinema
17:36 <noob7> a couple of years ago most cinemas had screenings in original language at least a couple of times a week
17:36 <noob7> because you are a cheap skate :P
17:37 <wrtlprnft> ever watched one of those real cheap translations of a southpark episode?
17:37 <noob7> <- downloads because our generation is brainfucked into this "news now!" mentality
17:37 <noob7> no, never watched the german version really
17:37 <wrtlprnft> or any english comedy show that isn't really funny even in english
17:38 <wrtlprnft> sharing is a good thing, right? so filesharing must be, too!
17:38 <noob7> I agree, but I'd pay 10 euros or so a month for good TV / movies, hell I pay money to rent movies too
17:39 <noob7> even 20 euros would be ok
17:39 * wrtlprnft pays for movies he really likes
17:39 <noob7> I pay money for movies that are birthday presents
17:40 <noob7> when I rent movies I am not able to download as well, and the occasional cinema visit
17:40 <noob7> besides that, nah
17:40 * wrtlprnft went to the cinema about once a week while he was in canada
17:40 <noob7> because cinema is like 4 bucks there?
17:40 <wrtlprnft> 8
17:40 <noob7> :o
17:40 * Lucifer doesnt' pay for movies bcause some of that money goes to the MPAA's campaign to rule the world
17:40 <noob7> :P
17:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: then you shouldn't pay taxes
17:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: a lot of it goes to bush's plan to rule the world
17:41 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: hah, I won't go to jail for not buying movies....
17:41 <fonkay> anyone know when the 2nd round of twg is starting?
17:41 <Lucifer> besides, I get money back on my taxes
17:42 <Lucifer> meaning I don't pay taxes, someone else's taxes are given to me
17:42 <Lucifer> income/federal taxes, taht is, but that's the only money that goes towards bush
17:43 <noob7> fonkey I got a message from armabot earlier
17:43 <noob7> stating signups are open
17:44 <wrtlprnft> i think the luke-jr+sockpuppet buisness needs to be sorted out first
17:44 <fonkay> what's to sort out?
17:45 <wrtlprnft> if (s)he can play or not
17:45 <wrtlprnft> or maybe z-man-work is just waiting for more signups
17:45 <wrtlprnft> or just busy
17:45 <wrtlprnft> or forgot about the whole thing (unlikely)
17:45 <z-man-work> Waiting for signups.
17:45 <fonkay> hmmm. didn't know zman was considering it
17:45 <z-man-work> Especially noob7.
17:45 <noob7> thing is, I'd have to register an account on the forums
17:45 <Lucifer> yeah, don't want to start a new game and have someone go and say "noob7 and I would like to play"
17:45 <noob7> or everybody would know who I am :o
17:46 <z-man-work> Well, then do so, how else do you think this is going to work?>
17:46 <noob7> magic
17:46 <Lucifer> you know?
17:46 <wrtlprnft> noob7 could email his messages to z-man-work and have him relay them to the forums
17:46 <wrtlprnft> in theory.
17:46 <noob7> or setup armabot to do the work
17:47 <fonkay> wrtl want more work for z
17:47 <wrtlprnft> setup armabot to post messages to the forums?
17:47 <Lucifer> wait, why can't noob7 register on the forums again?
17:47 <z-man-work> Great! Spam!
17:47 <fonkay> he can
17:47 <fonkay> he seems to be refusing
17:47 * wrtlprnft is not being serious right now
17:47 <noob7> you are not supposed to have multiple accounts right?
17:47 <wrtlprnft> noob7@forums!
17:47 <noob7> :o
17:47 <z-man-work> You can have as many as you have email addresses :)
17:47 <fonkay> wait, so you already have an account?
17:48 <Lucifer> lemme guess, it's named "Communist" and you forgot your password?
17:48 <noob7> nah I have one... :) I know the pass
17:48 <noob7> but I didnt know I had registered noob7@forums
17:48 <z-man-work> Then use that?
17:48 <noob7> nah then everybody knows who I am
17:48 <z-man-work> And?
17:48 <noob7> that makes noob7 sad
17:48 * wrtlprnft wonders if Redneck@forums is a sockpuppet of Lucifer (just kidding)
17:48 <z-man-work> Everybody knows who everybody else is.
17:48 <Lucifer> apparently this isn't Cheers
17:49 <fonkay> hehe
17:49 <noob7> damn. wrong channel then
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17:49 <z-man-work> Actually, I don't know who you are, noob7, you're just a random name on IRC :)
17:49 <Lucifer> "Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your nick"
17:49 <Lucifer> "And they'll never know you're sick"
17:50 <fonkay> how many players do we have now?
17:51 <z-man-work> 9 again
17:51 <z-man-work> not counting SockPuppet-Jr
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17:52 <Lucifer> I tried to get joe to sign up, heh
17:52 <fonkay> joe's given up i'm thinking
17:52 <fonkay> which is kinda sad... since he runs the only servers i ever played on.
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17:53 <noob7> noob7@forums was not registered yet wrtlprnft...
17:54 <fonkay> wait, so you registered twice in like 6 days?
17:55 <noob7> hmmm no?
17:55 <noob7> why would I do that?
17:55 <fonkay> you tell me
17:55 <noob7> I registered twice in like 2.5 years
17:55 <epsy> you are spoiling my plans, noob7..
17:55 <noob7> :o
17:56 <fonkay> ko, later.
17:56 <z-man-work> epsy: don't you want to sign up, too? You'll get to lynch or eat luke-jr!
17:56 <fonkay> z-man-work: can we know a few days in advance before the 1st cycle starts plz?
17:57 <z-man-work> sure.
17:57 * noob7 signed uo
17:57 <fonkay> k, good. wont have time over the next week to check the forums everyday.
17:57 <fonkay> bye
17:58 <z-man-work> noob7: you forgot the [b]bold[/b], your signup is INVALID
17:58 <Raiden05> lol
17:58 <wrtlprnft> so strict.
17:58 <noob7> alright, ignore my post then, have fun with TWG2
17:59 <epsy> z-man-work, i'm quite allergic to forum games since i read the tremulous forums
17:59 <z-man-work> Knowing how to write something in bold is a requirement :) you won't be able to vote without it.
17:59 <z-man-work> epsy: why?
17:59 <epsy> z-man-work, you don't read the, do you?
17:59 <noob7> ok, edited in some boldness just for you :)
17:59 <epsy> them-
17:59 <luke-jr> I love these 15 minute rechargable batteries
17:59 <epsy> *
18:00 <luke-jr> they really take 30 minutes because for 15 minutes after charging they're too fscking hot to touch
18:00 <z-man-work> epsy: no, I don't, are they so bad?
18:01 <Lucifer> well, it is the tremulous forums
18:01 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: throw the charger into some icewater
18:01 <Lucifer> surprised wpsy still has a brain after reading those
18:01 <epsy> z-man-work, quite bad, especially when it comes to forums games
18:01 <Lucifer> s/wpsy/epsy
18:01 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: and short it?
18:01 <z-man-work> Lucifer: he ever had one? ;)_
18:01 <noob7> duh, take the plug out first :P
18:01 <wrtlprnft> distilled ice water.
18:01 <z-man-work> Liquid nitrogen.
18:02 <Lucifer> dry ice!
18:02 <wrtlprnft> if you have some handy
18:02 <z-man-work> Any time.
18:02 <wrtlprnft> but liquid nitrogen is fun :-)
18:02 <Lucifer> it's actually mostly perfect for this, since it sublimates, so nothing gets wet
18:02 * epsy /admin slap z-man-work 100
18:02 <Lucifer> or he could develop some patience and get one of the longer chargers and some extra batteries
18:02 <z-man-work> What does the parameter do?
18:03 <epsy> you loose 100 points instead of one
18:03 <noob7> its the speed you get slapped with
18:03 <epsy> :)
18:03 <z-man-work> Argh
18:03 <Lucifer> probably specifies the number of trouts to slap you with
18:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: niquid nitrogen doesn't conduct
18:03 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: but it's a little harder to come by than dry ice
18:03 <wrtlprnft> and it doesn't stay liquid for long when you take the charger out of it
18:04 <Lucifer> don't forget luke-jr lives out in the middle of nowhere
18:04 <Lucifer> where they still use wooden forks and spoons
18:05 <luke-jr> whatever Lucifer
18:05 <luke-jr> 45 on the largest US cities list
18:05 <z-man-work> Counted from the bottom or the top?
18:05 * noob7 didnt know trailer parks could get that big
18:06 <luke-jr> z-man-work: haha
18:06 <Lucifer> Tulsa Oklahoma?
18:07 <Lucifer> whoah, seattle's smaller than austin?
18:08 <luke-jr> lol
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18:24 <pavelo> epsy: do you know x team sumo authentication doesn't work ?
18:24 <epsy> really?
18:24 <pavelo> epsy: it says something about address mismatch and suspected pharming
18:24 <epsy> woot
18:24 * epsy wished he had a recording :(
18:37 <wrtlprnft> pavelo: but it does on café?
18:37 <epsy> it does on all the install
18:37 <epsy> i'd think..
18:37 <epsy> oh
18:38 <epsy> let me guess
18:38 <epsy> the server knows it's ip from the masters?
18:38 <pavelo> wrtlprnft: idk, should i try ?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> pavelo: please do
18:40 <wrtlprnft> last time i tried it worked
18:40 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i ran a test server in the morning
18:41 <epsy> wrtlprnft, wanted it not to contact masters, and i needed a full config fastly
18:41 <epsy> so i turned TALK_TO_MASTER off then forgot it :P
18:41 <pavelo> café works fine
18:41 <wrtlprnft> ok, then it's an x server thing
18:42 * epsy will have to run his test again then
18:43 <pavelo> wrtlprnft: i just realized your message is a bit odd. word order is that of a statement but you end it with a ?. what did you mean ?
18:44 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:44 <epsy> pavelo, see what i wrote
18:44 <wrtlprnft> what are you referring to?
18:44 <pavelo> wrtlprnft: pavelo: but it does on café?
18:44 <pavelo> "it does" vs "?"
18:44 <Flex> BOOB HEADSHOT
18:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that meant that i asked you to try it out
18:44 <epsy> no, at least it shouldn't
18:44 <wrtlprnft> *but it does work on café, right?
18:44 <pavelo> well, then i understood you correctly :)
18:44 <Flex> oops, i meant BOOM
18:45 <epsy> Flex, boob or head..decide yourself
18:45 <Flex> dunno where boob came from, but i was thinking "boom headshot"
18:45 <epsy> ok..
18:46 <epsy> i hope at least it was woman boob
18:46 <Flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olm7xC-gBMY
18:46 <epsy> ..right..flex?
18:46 <Flex> dude omg, i'm not alone!
18:50 <pavelo> epsy: the TALK_TO_MASTER thing, yes i saw it.... does that mean i don't have to change my password ? :)
18:51 <epsy> what?
18:52 <pavelo> the message mentioned pharming... i suppose that's password farming
18:52 <epsy> it says that it supposes it might be pharming
18:52 <epsy> not that you got pharmed
18:52 <epsy> :)
18:52 <pavelo> right
18:52 <epsy> why would we do that
18:52 <noob7> so you are pharming epsy? :)
18:53 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/scalar.h.txt
18:53 <noob7> to get into the email accounts of people that use the same password for both forum account and email
18:53 <noob7> then go from there
18:54 <noob7> you might have to let paypal etc send you new passwords... its easy from there on
18:54 <pavelo> though if i understood the protocol correctly, the password should never reach the server, right ?
18:55 <epsy> currently, 100% of pharming suspicions were false positive :p
18:55 <noob7> unless he is pharming... using a modified server
18:55 <epsy> pavelo, it goes trought the server
18:55 <epsy> pavelo, but at that point it is quite screwed up
18:56 <pavelo> but in a hashed form. with a random salt. or not ?
18:56 <noob7> unless he is using a modified server pavelo :P
18:56 <pavelo> even if he's using a mod. server
18:56 <epsy> it's the client which does the screwing up
18:57 <epsy> you really thing the client would give a password verbatim to the server?
18:57 <pavelo> i hope not
18:58 <epsy> it doesnt, lol
18:58 <pavelo> but if it doesnt, how can one pharm ?
18:58 <pavelo> the best thing he can do is a man-in-the-middle
18:59 <epsy> the wiki explains it briefly and clearly enougy, let me give you a link
18:59 <epsy> yes, exactly
18:59 <wrtlprnft> pavelo: i'm not reading that huge header file ;-)
18:59 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: latest version, probably last
18:59 * pavelo goes to look up the definition of pharming
19:00 <epsy> pavelo, http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Hash_Based_Authentication#Attack_Vectors
19:01 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: do you know dbus?
19:02 <wrtlprnft> i know what it is
19:02 <wrtlprnft> that's about it
19:02 <pippijn> hm
19:02 <pippijn> okay
19:02 <pippijn> I was going to ask you what you thought of it
19:02 <pippijn> as a message passing system
19:03 <wrtlprnft> its name is easier to remember than dcop.
19:03 <wrtlprnft> that enough of an opinion?
19:04 <epsy> heh
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19:48 <noob7> POOOOOORK its the meat of kings! it's made from pig try it with onion rings!
19:48 <madmax> oO
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21:12 <Bougo> #g 1+1
21:12 <armabot> Bougo: 1 + 1 = 2
21:12 <Bougo> #g number of horns on a unicorn
21:12 <armabot> Bougo: number of horns on a unicorn = 1
21:12 <Bougo> I win!
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21:13 <madmax> hah
21:13 <MrBougo> try it on google :p
21:13 <MrBougo> it's a nicie easter egg
21:15 <epsy> #g the answer to the question of life and universe
21:15 <armabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:15 <epsy> wrtl knows it better
21:15 <epsy> :P
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21:25 <Valathar> #g number of horns on a unicorn + 2 * 3 / 2 - 3
21:25 <armabot> Valathar: number of horns on a unicorn + ((2 * 3) / 2) - 3 = 1
21:25 <wrtlprnft> epsy:
21:26 <epsy> wrtlprnft:
21:26 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
21:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
21:26 <epsy> right :P
21:26 * wrtlprnft wonders how many more of those there are
21:26 <epsy> int *(0) = 42 :O
21:28 <wrtlprnft> i like doing that?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> s/\?/
21:28 <epsy> how often?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> why?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> did you find that somewhere in my code?
21:29 <MrBougo> #g What's the answer to life, the universe and everything multiplied by the speed of light divided by three teaspoons?
21:30 <armabot> MrBougo: (the answer to life, the universe and everything multiplied by the speed of light) divided by (three US teaspoons) = 8.51523874 * 10^(14) m^(-2) s^(-1)
21:30 <epsy> not sure if the syntaxes are same
21:30 <epsy> not sure if mine even compiles :P
21:30 <wrtlprnft> torres: {int *(0) = 42;}
21:30 <torres> expected unqualified-id before numeric constant
21:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah, thought so
21:30 <wrtlprnft> i usually do
21:30 <wrtlprnft> torres: {(char*)0 = 42;}
21:30 <torres> lvalue required as left operand of assignment
21:30 <epsy> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/cube.patch
21:30 <wrtlprnft> torres: {*(char*)(0) = 42;}
21:30 <torres> Subprocess /t died on signal 11 (Segmentation fault)
21:31 <wrtlprnft> that one :-)
21:31 <wrtlprnft> oooh
21:31 <wrtlprnft> heh
21:31 <epsy> *(int*)0 = 42;
21:31 <wrtlprnft> char, int, std::string, all the same for that matter
21:31 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft:
21:31 <MrBougo> #g speed of a Delorean going back in time
21:31 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:31 <MrBougo> eh
21:31 <wrtlprnft> #g number of microsoft employees it takes to screw in a light bulb
21:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:31 <wrtlprnft> aww!
21:32 <MrBougo> I believe that delorean one was a hoax
21:32 <MrBougo> ... fooled
21:32 <wrtlprnft> no
21:32 <wrtlprnft> click the link
21:32 <wrtlprnft> you're not supposed to enter the text
21:32 <MrBougo> ????
21:32 <wrtlprnft> 1.21 gigawatts * 88mph
21:33 <MrBougo> screw that
21:33 <MrBougo> :p
21:33 <Valathar> #g once in a blue moon
21:33 <armabot> Valathar: once in a blue moon = 1.16699016 * 10^(-8) hertz
21:33 <wrtlprnft> lol!
21:34 <wrtlprnft> somewhat special, but not too eastereggy
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 / once in a blue moon
21:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 / once in a blue moon = 2.71542689 years
21:35 <wrtlprnft> the next one is 2010 :-(
21:35 <Monkey_arma> #g the brain power of the person that changed the glances from .2 to those in .3
21:36 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:36 <wrtlprnft> Monkey_arma: the brain power of the person that changed the glances from .2 to those in .3 = infinity
21:36 <wrtlprnft> #g (November 21, 2010) - (February 21, 2008)
21:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:36 <MrBougo> #g 2 ( ngogn / farshimmelt potrzebie ) * 3 furshlugginer blintz
21:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that would have been too great
21:36 <armabot> MrBougo: 2 * (ngogn / farshimmelt potrzebie) * (3 furshlugginer blintz) = 1,119,540.13 m^(2) kg
21:36 <MrBougo> http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-01-13-n28.html
21:37 <Monkey_arma> #g on a scale of 1 to 10 how annoying is durka
21:37 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:38 <wrtlprnft> that one's interesting
21:38 <MrBougo> :p
21:38 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 blintz in kg
21:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 blintz = 0.0364253863 kilograms
21:39 <MrBougo> #g 1 hoo * 1 hah
21:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:39 <wrtlprnft> sounds more useful to me than the imperial system
21:39 <MrBougo> mh :/
21:39 <MrBougo> #g 1 whatmeworry
21:39 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:39 <MrBougo> it isnt complete, it seems
21:39 <MrBougo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrzebie#Unit_System
21:39 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 Potrzebie whatmeworry * 1
21:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:40 <Valathar> http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/
21:40 <epsy> lol
21:40 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that's nothing new
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21:41 <Valathar> http://www.google.com/googlegulp/index.html
21:41 <MrBougo> hehe
21:42 <Valathar> http://www.google.com/romance/index.html
21:42 <Valathar> http://www.googoth.com/
21:42 <Valathar> http://www.googleloco.com/
21:42 <Valathar> http://www.google.com/mentalplex/
21:45 <Valathar> #g 0x7d3 in roman numerals
21:45 <armabot> Valathar: 0x7d3 = MMIII
21:46 <Valathar> #g 0b1100101*0b1001
21:46 <armabot> Valathar: 0b1100101 * 0b1001 = 0b1110001101
21:46 <Valathar> heh
21:46 <wrtlprnft> that's old as well
21:46 <wrtlprnft> 0b111.1 * 2
21:46 <wrtlprnft> #g 0b111.1 * 2
21:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:46 <wrtlprnft> why doesn't anything support binary/hex numbers with decimals?
21:48 <Valathar> #g furlongs per fortnight
21:48 <armabot> Valathar: 1 furlongs per fortnight = 0.000166309524 m / s
21:49 <Valathar> #g e
21:50 <armabot> Valathar: e = 2.71828183
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21:50 <Valathar> #g Avogadros number
21:50 <armabot> Valathar: Avogadro's number = 6.0221415 * 10^(23)
21:50 <wrtlprnft> it has to know that one
21:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 42u in kg
21:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 42 atomic mass units = 6.97426323 * 10^(-26) kilograms
21:51 <Valathar> lol
21:51 <Valathar> thats all i know of off the top of my head
21:51 <wrtlprnft> #g plank length * 1
21:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:51 <wrtlprnft> #g planck length * 1
21:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:52 <MrBougo> #g planck unit
21:52 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:52 <MrBougo> bah
21:52 <wrtlprnft> #g the plank length * 1
21:52 <MrBougo> #g planck time
21:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:52 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:52 <wrtlprnft> weak!
21:52 <MrBougo> #g plank time
21:52 <MrBougo> no
21:52 <armabot> MrBougo: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:52 <MrBougo> that's ck
21:52 <MrBougo> #g planck constant
21:52 <armabot> MrBougo: Planck's constant = 6.626068 * 10^(-34) m^(2) kg / s
21:52 <MrBougo> well
21:53 <MrBougo> not-so-related :p
21:53 <MrBougo> I mean, not directly
21:53 <MrBougo> ok I'm out
21:53 <MrBougo> night
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22:05 <Flex> BOOM HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!111!!!1
22:05 <epsy> that vid sucks, flex
22:05 <epsy> phail
22:05 <Flex> no u suck
22:10 <Hoax> no no no, let epsy say it again...
22:10 <epsy> You Phialed!
22:12 <Hoax> xD
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22:20 <Lucifer_pen> whoah, I just realized I don't need to have a virtual machine on this computer to do development
22:20 <Lucifer_pen> just subversion
22:21 * Lucifer_pen wishes there was a portableapps release of subversion
22:21 * epsy blames CTCP VERSION answers that don't include OS
22:22 -!- Hoax is now known as Hoax_paper
22:22 * Hoax_paper for your writing pleasure
22:24 <Lucifer_pen> anybody know what to use in windows when you don't have cat?
22:24 <Monkey_arma> edit
22:24 <Flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Utt7DCzEDg&feature=related
22:24 <Monkey_arma> type maybe
22:24 <Lucifer_pen> edit works, thanks
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22:25 <Lucifer_pen> now I need a portable python distribution that has PyQt4 and PyQwt5 in it
22:28 <Lucifer_pen> http://www.portablepython.com/site/download/
22:29 <Monkey_arma> what is pen?
22:33 <Lucifer_pen> pen drive
22:34 <Lucifer_pen> it means I'm using a computer that's mine, with software installed on my pendrive
22:34 <Lucifer_pen> er, a computer that's *not* mine
22:34 <Lucifer_pen> if you find yourself needing to use a computer, and only windows computers are around, portableapps.com has some great stuff
22:34 <noob7> is there a list of stuff you use lucifer?
22:34 <Lucifer_pen> so, I'm about to put python and subversion on there
22:34 <Lucifer_pen> http://www.portableapps.com/ is the place
22:34 <noob7> oh ok, I thought you booted from the flash drive as well
22:35 <noob7> yeah I know about those
22:35 <Lucifer_pen> no, not guaranteed to be able to boot from usb on public computers :/
22:35 <noob7> true
22:35 <Lucifer_pen> so I've got a command prompt, and might be able to set the PATH variable with a little research into the thing
22:35 <Lucifer_pen> subversion installs from a zip file, no registry settings or anything, and there's a portable python distribution. Hopefully I'll be able to install pyqt and pyqwt into it
22:36 <Monkey_arma> well many aps have a windows version...even bash i think
22:36 <Lucifer_pen> yes, I haven't checked to see how big mingw is yet
22:36 <Lucifer_pen> it might be too big, or I should buy a bigger pen drive :)
22:37 <Lucifer_pen> not sure I want to use subversion on a flash drive, but I can use it on the hard drive, commit my changes, then delete it
22:48 <ct|kyle> what is a Lucifer_pen?
22:50 <noob7> [22:34] <Monkey_arma> what is pen?
22:50 <noob7> [22:38] <Lucifer_pen> pen drive
22:50 <noob7> but maybe its the pen satan uses...
22:50 <ct|kyle> that is what i thought
22:51 <ct|kyle> pen drive
22:51 <noob7> ...when asking you to sign over your soul
22:51 <ct|kyle> i gotta get me an OS on my jump dive
22:52 <noob7> I have never tried it, but theres "damn small linux"...
22:52 <Lucifer_pen> dsl is neat
22:53 <Lucifer_pen> anybody know how to get the current drive in a windows batch file?
22:55 <ct|kyle> Lucifer_pen: nope i just used autoit to do stuff like that
22:56 <Monkey_arma> pwd might include the drive..im not sure
22:57 <Monkey_arma> try it
22:57 <Lucifer_pen> nope, no luck
22:57 <luke-jr> epsy: your VERSION doesn't include OS
22:58 <epsy> try again
22:58 <luke-jr> nope
22:58 <epsy> ^^
23:01 <Lucifer_pen> now I have to consider whether or not it's worth having OO.o on this thing
23:02 <ct|kyle> ya 00.o is hugnomase
23:04 <Lucifer_pen> grrrr
23:04 <Lucifer_pen> there's no spreadsheet program I can use otherwise
23:04 <Lucifer_pen> I can install abiword instead and have a much smaller word processor, but then no spreadsheet
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23:05 <ct|kyle> so what distro are you running on it?
23:05 <luke-jr> Lucifer_pen: KSpread
23:06 <Lucifer_pen> I'm not running a distro
23:06 <Lucifer_pen> it's http://www.portableapps.com/
23:06 <Lucifer_pen> open source windows applications
23:07 <Lucifer_pen> configured to run portably, so I can plug this in anywhere and my settings are saved and nothing is left on the machine I plug it into, unless I want to leave something there
23:08 <Lucifer_pen> of course, it does require the machine I plug into be a windows computer
23:08 <Lucifer_pen> we should make an arma distribution for this :)
23:10 <ct|kyle> heh
23:14 <Lucifer_pen> ok, I'm putting python on there
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23:17 <pippijn> how far is 2.8's death away?
23:20 <ct|kyle> years
23:20 <wrtlprnft> technically it's supposed to be soon
23:22 <Lucifer_pen> awesome, I've got a command prompt in windows with python and subversion
23:22 <pippijn> I am not going to work on 2.8
23:22 <Lucifer_pen> I can take it anywhere I want, and I'm ecstatic about that :)
23:23 <Lucifer_pen> so, I've got python and a source code editor, what more do I need?
23:23 <Lucifer_pen> I guess that means I can remove OO.o and go with abiword then
23:23 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: who's the project coordinator?
23:23 <Lucifer_pen> who needs a spreadsheet when you've got python? ;)
23:23 <Lucifer_pen> pippijn: none, we're uncoordinated
23:24 <pippijn> who says what's going to happen next?
23:24 <pippijn> who says when a branch is dead?
23:24 <Lucifer_pen> generally the person that does it
23:24 <Lucifer_pen> ah, that'll be whoever maintains the branch
23:24 <pippijn> who maintains 2.8?
23:24 <Lucifer_pen> the de facto 0.2.8 branch manager is z-man
23:24 <pippijn> I see
23:24 <Lucifer_pen> but we're all in agreement that it must die
23:24 <Lucifer_pen> why?
23:24 <Lucifer_pen> note: there is no de jure branch manager of anything
23:25 <pippijn> I want to work on armagetron to make the code of better quality
23:25 <Lucifer_pen> that's what happens when you let anarchists run the asylum
23:25 <pippijn> instead of adding features
23:25 <Lucifer_pen> then you want to work in the trunk anyway :)
23:25 <pippijn> the thing is
23:25 <pippijn> if I start doing that, backports will become hard to impossible
23:25 <Lucifer_pen> ummmm, yeah
23:26 <Lucifer_pen> but if you do them in 0.2.8, they can't be replicated to the trunk anyway
23:26 <pippijn> hence, I can't do anything
23:26 <Lucifer_pen> there's redesign work going on in the trunk, and one of the reasons the 0.2.8 branch has to die is because it's blocking the trunk
23:26 <Lucifer_pen> who says you have to backport anything? Work in the 0.3 series instead....
23:27 <Lucifer_pen> I don't see the problem.... if you want people to use the code you've written, push for release when it's in the trunk. We release directly off the trunk in the development series (typically)
23:27 <pippijn> forward ports would be impossible, as well :-)
23:28 <pippijn> honestly, I don't care for people using my code
23:28 <Lucifer_pen> er, one of the reasons for branching from the trunk is so you don't have to worry so much about backwards/forwards compatibility
23:28 <Lucifer_pen> comes down to one simple thing: if you want to contribute code to help the project in the future, the trunk is the place it goes. If you want to contribute code to help on a current stable release, then that branch is the place to do it
23:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_pen: pippijn is talking about quite global changes
23:29 <Lucifer_pen> wrtlprnft: which would belong in the trunk anyway, right? ;)
23:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_pen: that would cause tons of merge conflicts when trying to merge even the simplest changes from 0.2.8 to the trunk
23:29 <Lucifer_pen> don't we want to kill the 0.2.8 branch so we can stop worrying about situations like that that we already have?
23:29 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: for one: tArray would be gone
23:30 <pippijn> and just about everything depends on tArray and its behaviour
23:30 <pippijn> (which is broken)
23:30 <Lucifer_pen> tArray is already deprecated, slated to be replaced with an std class, isn't it?
23:30 <pippijn> things should be std::'d as much as possible
23:30 <Lucifer_pen> just hasn't been yet....
23:31 <pippijn> stdlib containers are faster than the ones in t*
23:31 <Lucifer_pen> um, stop typing for a minute and read what I just said
23:31 <pippijn> yes
23:31 <pippijn> tArray is deprecated
23:31 <pippijn> but used all over the place
23:31 <pippijn> it's a nontrivial task to replace it with std::vector
23:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_pen: it's too big a change for 0.2.8, and if we do it in the trunk right now it will be impossible to merge bugfixes from 0.2.8 (which we'll want to do as long as it's alive)
23:31 <Lucifer_pen> yes it is, which is why we can't just switch it out
23:31 <pippijn> because std::vector behaves correctly
23:31 <Lucifer_pen> er, not really :)
23:31 <pippijn> and a lot of code depends on incorrect behaviour from tArray
23:32 <Lucifer_pen> std::vector behaves correctly when you want an array that forms one contiguous block in memory
23:32 <Lucifer_pen> I'm curious what about tArray behaves "incorrectly"
23:32 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: that's beside the point, tArray does the same
23:32 <Lucifer_pen> it behaves as it was specified, afaik
23:32 <pippijn> yes
23:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_pen: it's autoexpanding is one thing
23:32 <wrtlprnft> and it's a pain sometimes
23:32 <Lucifer_pen> yeah, but it was written that way :)
23:32 <pippijn> std::vector is autoexpanding
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23:33 <Lucifer_pen> I'm not arguing that we should keep it, we've been working on switching code out to std classes and removing some of this stuff for quite some time now
23:33 <pippijn> tArray has a design bug
23:33 <wrtlprnft> i mean in the someArray[someArray.size()] = <something>; way
23:33 <Legio> urgh
23:33 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: ah, yes
23:33 <Lucifer_pen> but I'll tell you what, I like lots of people. I don't like programmers that argue "correct" vs "incorrect"
23:33 <wrtlprnft> what's the design bug?
23:33 <Lucifer_pen> correct is subjective, tArray serves the purpose it was designed to serve
23:34 <pippijn> modifying elements in a const array
23:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_pen: it's a PITA
23:34 <Lucifer_pen> yes, but anybody who's worked with std knows that PITA != incorrect :)
23:35 <wrtlprnft> oh, and just imagine all the goodies you get from moving to standard containers
23:35 <Legio> Do you guys ever talk about other things than computers or arma *just a Q not a stab*
23:35 <wrtlprnft> like the tString → std::string move
23:35 <wrtlprnft> Legio: this channel is called #armagetron
23:35 <Lucifer_pen> I'm curious what position you think I'm arguing here, wrtlprnft
23:35 <Legio> xD
23:35 <wrtlprnft> if you want to talk about random crap go to #lounge or something
23:36 <Legio> pfft wrtlprnft, i forgot how to message you but you must come over here, i will intraduce you to a life =P
23:36 <Legio> xD
23:36 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_pen: dunno really
23:36 <Legio> was a joke bro chil, chill. n what is louge? oO
23:36 <Legio> *lounge
23:36 <Valathar> its another channel
23:36 <Valathar> for general chit chat crap
23:37 <wrtlprnft> at least i think it is
23:37 <Legio> yes i gathered that, but i know jack about IRC
23:37 <wrtlprnft> /join #lounge
23:37 <Legio> can't even remmember how to log into my nick LOL
23:37 <Legio> ok ok ty
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23:37 <wrtlprnft> aww, it doesn't even exist?!
23:37 <Legio> hoi hoi lacka boy!
23:38 <pippijn> torres: template<typename T> struct tArray { T *ptr; tArray () : ptr (new T[2]) { ptr[0] = 0; ptr[1] = 1; } T &operator [] (int i) const { return ptr[i]; } }; int main () { tArray<int> const arr; cout << arr[1]; }
23:38 <torres> 1
23:38 <wrtlprnft> then maybe freenode is the wrong server for you
23:38 <pippijn> torres: template<typename T> struct tArray { T *ptr; tArray () : ptr (new T[2]) { ptr[0] = 0; ptr[1] = 1; } T &operator [] (int i) const { return ptr[i]; } }; int main () { tArray<int> const arr; arr[1] = 30; cout << arr[1]; }
23:38 <torres> 30
23:38 <Valathar> maybe?
23:38 <Legio> you think? really? well. . .
23:38 <Legio> course, im the sociable type xD
23:38 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: how does this make sense?
23:38 <Legio> anyway, later alligator, <3
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23:39 <Lucifer_pen> pippijn: you're obviously pretty new to the community. If you want to come in and make wide sweeping changes, you've got many hours reading the archives on the forums before this conversation is worth having
23:39 <Lucifer_pen> or you can fork
23:39 <Lucifer_pen> there's always that option :)
23:39 <Valathar> irc + Legio = phail
23:39 * wrtlprnft thinks pippijn has the right idea
23:39 <wrtlprnft> but it IS blocked by 0.2.8
23:40 <pippijn> pippijn needs sleep
23:40 <pippijn> good night everybody
23:40 <Lucifer_pen> maybe he does have the right idea, but the reason he needs to read the archives is so he'll find that most of us here already had that idea
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23:40 <Lucifer_pen> which is why we're doing that sort of work in the trunk.....
23:40 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: it's a good thing you are doing it
23:40 <wrtlprnft> we are?
23:40 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: I want to help
23:41 <Lucifer_pen> and if he wants to come in here and argue correct vs incorrect code, he damn well better know what we want by reading the archives and the wiki
23:41 <Lucifer_pen> wrtlprnft
23:41 <Lucifer_pen> yes
23:41 <Lucifer_pen> er, still learning miranda, sorry :)
23:41 <wrtlprnft> i don't remember anything besides the tString→std::string rebase and not using tArray in new code
23:41 <Lucifer_pen> we made the decision to switch out towards std before you showed up :)
23:41 <wrtlprnft> i know there's the decision
23:42 <Lucifer_pen> but it's a lot of work, it's big sweeping changes, and it takes time, and time is one thing most of us don't have
23:42 <Lucifer_pen> in case you hadn't noticed....
23:42 <wrtlprnft> that's why we could use pippijn because he seems to have quite a lot of time
23:42 <Lucifer_pen> and one of the reasons 0.2.8 needs to die is so we can continue that work
23:42 <wrtlprnft> and more c++ knowledge than any of us, maybe even z-man
23:42 <Lucifer_pen> because existing work is already causing enough merge headaches....
23:43 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: unlikely
23:43 * Lucifer_pen points up to where he already said this stuff, after wrtlprnft had already said it....
23:43 <pippijn> I probably know the standard better, but I have less experience
23:43 <Lucifer_pen> hard to say
23:43 <Lucifer_pen> pippijn: what reason do you believe could have caused arma to not use stl?
23:43 <Lucifer_pen> just curious :)
23:44 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: I assume the c++ stdlib wasn't very usable back when arma was created
23:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that's correct :-)
23:44 <Lucifer_pen> just checking
23:44 <pippijn> I know that gcc 2.9 had issues compiling c++
23:44 <Lucifer_pen> we get people coming along every now and then that start ripping into us for not using stl
23:45 <wrtlprnft> we all know that tArray wasn't a bad idea at the time it was invented
23:45 <pippijn> I am not ripping into you
23:45 <Lucifer_pen> the game has significant legacy weight right now that we really wa to clean up
23:45 <Lucifer_pen> *want
23:45 <pippijn> back then I had to overload operator new just to get placement new with constructor arguments
23:45 <Lucifer_pen> wrtlprnft: right, that's what I was saying earlier. :) It does what it was designed to do.
23:45 * wrtlprnft doesn't get what we're all arguing about
23:45 <pippijn> type *ptr = new (loc) type (foo, bar, baz); // didn't work
23:45 <Lucifer_pen> we just happen to know it doesn't do some things that are needed now
23:45 <wrtlprnft> we basically agree on everything
23:45 <Lucifer_pen> I don't either, we all keep agreeing
23:46 <pippijn> so
23:46 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:46 <pippijn> we are all happy
23:46 <pippijn> great
23:46 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:46 <Lucifer_pen> ok, here's what set me off then :)
23:46 <pippijn> let's work on it when the time allows us to
23:46 <Lucifer_pen> when he said he can't contribute because he can't work in 0.2.8
23:46 <Lucifer_pen> because what he wants to do is appropriately done in the trunk
23:46 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: am I allowed to start moving away from tArray in trunk?
23:47 <Lucifer_pen> yes, but with some constraints
23:47 <pippijn> are those listed somewhere?
23:47 <Lucifer_pen> the constraint is you need to do it in your own bzr branch
23:47 <Lucifer_pen> publish it somewhere, where we can see it
23:48 <pippijn> ah
23:48 <Lucifer_pen> some changes might get merged into the trunk quickly, others may not, we'll have to see
23:48 <pippijn> is there a documented coding style?
23:48 <wrtlprnft> four spaces for indentation
23:48 <wrtlprnft> use spaces inside statements in any way you like
23:49 <wrtlprnft> and put opening braces whereever you like
23:49 <pippijn> uhm
23:49 <pippijn> the only rule is four spaces?
23:50 <pippijn> what about line length?
23:50 <wrtlprnft> because astyle used to enforce it
23:50 <pippijn> astyle breaks more than it does good imo..
23:50 <wrtlprnft> there is no other common code. even z-man's code isn't always consistent
23:50 <wrtlprnft> heh, we figured that out
23:50 <wrtlprnft> that's why i said used to
23:50 <pippijn> yes
23:51 <pippijn> so four spaces?
23:51 <pippijn> what about brace indentation?
23:51 <Lucifer_pen> it's basically "don't do things that annoy people" :)
23:51 <pippijn> I don't know what annoys you
23:51 <Lucifer_pen> and "don't be annoyed by trivial things"
23:51 <wrtlprnft> astyle used to enforce the same level as the code around them
23:51 <Lucifer_pen> I prefer function/method signatures to be all on one line
23:52 <wrtlprnft> \tif()
23:52 <wrtlprnft> \t{
23:52 <wrtlprnft> \t\tcode
23:52 <wrtlprnft> \t}
23:52 <Lucifer_pen> that's about the only thing that really annoys me in other people's code, when they do this:
23:52 <Lucifer_pen> const char*
23:52 <wrtlprnft> int
23:52 <wrtlprnft> main()
23:52 <Lucifer_pen> functionname(whatever)
23:52 <Lucifer_pen> {
23:52 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: you'd hate my code :-)
23:52 <Lucifer_pen> that really annoys me :)
23:52 <pippijn> that's GNU style
23:52 <pippijn> I write GNU style in my own code
23:52 <Lucifer_pen> which is known to be "correct", right?
23:53 <pippijn> no
23:53 <pippijn> styles are not correct
23:53 <pippijn> styles make more or less sense
23:53 <pippijn> no style is perfect
23:53 <pippijn> to me, it makes sense to do
23:53 <pippijn> if (foo)
23:53 <pippijn> {
23:53 <pippijn> blah blah;
23:53 <pippijn> }
23:53 <Lucifer_pen> ? that's odd ;)
23:53 <Lucifer_pen> I like this:
23:53 <Lucifer_pen> if(foo) {
23:53 <Lucifer_pen> blah blah;
23:53 <Lucifer_pen> }
23:54 <pippijn> 3-space?
23:54 <Lucifer_pen> closing brace lines up with the statement it goes with
23:54 * wrtlprnft really goes to bed now. This discussion is pointless
23:54 <pippijn> yes
23:54 <Lucifer_pen> I use 4 space in my code editor
23:54 <pippijn> I need sleep, too
23:54 <Lucifer_pen> replace tabs with spaces, etc
23:54 <pippijn> good night
23:54 <pippijn> Lucifer_pen: good
23:54 <Lucifer_pen> heh, it's early evening for me
23:54 * wrtlprnft wisely notes: use whatever you see in the surrounding code
23:54 * Lucifer_pen agrees
23:54 <pippijn> hm
23:54 * Lucifer_pen also notes that if you don't like the style in the code you're on, change it
23:54 <pippijn> but then the entire code will never be consistent
23:55 <Lucifer_pen> (when someone else touches it, they'll make themselves happy)
23:55 <pippijn> I would like to make the code consistent
23:55 <Lucifer_pen> style consistency is overrated
23:55 <pippijn> I don't agree
23:55 <pippijn> but I still need sleep
23:55 <pippijn> good night
23:55 <Valathar> and impossible in a community project
23:55 <Lucifer_pen> ok, we'll have this argument later :)
23:55 <pippijn> Valathar: no
23:55 <pippijn> but anyway
23:55 <pippijn> good night :O
23:56 * Lucifer_pen needs to clean up the lab anyway
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23:56 <Valathar> correction *near impossible in a community project
23:58 <Lucifer_pen> still overrated, heh
23:58 <Lucifer_pen> there's no substitue for knowing the language, and syntax highlighting takes care of the rest
23:58 <Lucifer_pen> style consistency is past the point of diminishing returns
23:58 <Lucifer_pen> let's instead worry about writing in a style that is comfortable to you, and legible by others, and not sweat the small stuff
23:59 * Lucifer_pen is a rebel!
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