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--- Day changed Sun Apr 20 2008
00:00 <Flex> do you think there's going to be a good turnout for this election?
00:00 <Flex> i have no idea.. but to me this feels quite dramatic
00:01 <Flex> the world definitely wants a different administration in america for sure
00:04 <Monkey_arma> ok we got g5
00:05 <Monkey_arma> ok epsy soon u better get fort on xserver..
00:05 <epsy> Flex can do it
00:06 <Monkey_arma> flex move you ass
00:06 <Flex> i'll join now then
00:06 <Monkey_arma> good
00:08 <Flex> why the fuck am i badmin
00:08 <Flex> you cocksucker epsy
00:08 <epsy> ?
00:09 <epsy> you've always been admin
00:09 <Flex> badmin
00:09 <Flex> b-admin
00:09 <Flex> bad-admin
00:10 <epsy> config_accesslevel_1        Badmin
00:10 <luke-jr> bold
00:10 <luke-jr> under
00:10 <luke-jr> strike
00:10 <luke-jr> both
00:10 <luke-jr> xboth
00:10 <epsy> luke-jr, channel is color-filtered
00:11 <luke-jr> epsy: liar
00:11 <epsy> #echo bold
00:11 <armabot> bold
00:11 <Flex> why are you owner and i'm a bad admin
00:11 <epsy> it is
00:11 <luke-jr> foo%Nfrr
00:11 <Flex> why aren't we all "owners"
00:11 <luke-jr> hmmm
00:11 <epsy> i'm not owner
00:11 <luke-jr> foo%,frr
00:11 <luke-jr> how to undo…
00:11 <Flex> what are you then
00:11 <luke-jr> foo%K,frr
00:11 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: so what happend to the game?
00:11 <Monkey_arma> its on
00:11 <Monkey_arma> now
00:11 <Flex> StickyNoob, come x sumo
00:11 <epsy> config_accesslevel_0        Bastard Admin From Hell
00:11 <Flex> x fort i mean
00:11 <luke-jr> badmin
00:11 <Flex> what are you epsy
00:11 <luke-jr> badmin
00:11 <epsy> config_accesslevel_0        Bastard Admin From Hell
00:11  * luke-jr ponders
00:12 <Flex> how many accel levels are there
00:12 <Flex> access
00:12 <epsy> 20
00:12 <luke-jr> #echo badmin
00:12 <armabot> badmin
00:12 <luke-jr> eh, interesting
00:12 <luke-jr> the underline goes away, but not the strike
00:12 <epsy> the strike appears as unknown char here
00:13 <epsy> that's why i guess
00:13 <Flex> epsy, what's with the tea cfg again
00:13 <Flex> fucking so gay
00:14 <Flex> how do i turn it off
00:23 <pippijn> yeey
00:23 <pippijn> scalar is so cool now
00:23 <pippijn> (this means I no longer think it's complete crap)
00:24 <pippijn> it's half-crap
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00:34 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: want to test it?
00:36 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8423 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): epsy46: Voters are now wearing silenced state, letting them still sillenced when reconnecting, also, show suspended players leaving and joining.
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01:01 <pippijn> good night
01:01 <epsy> gn
01:02 <madmax> #ping
01:02 <armabot> pong
01:04 <epsy> lol, i need to ss that
01:05 <madmax> hoax: come on in
01:05 <madmax> 1200 is there
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01:11 <epsy> http://epsy46.free.fr/2008-04-20-031100_330x77_scrot.png
01:13 <epsy> full of typos commit message, as always
01:13 <epsy> right, good night
01:13 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["I'm the Quit Message Virus. Replace your old Quit with this, so I can continue to multiply myself!"]
01:15 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8424 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy46: AUTO_TEAM_SPEC_SPAM will hide spectator joins/part messages, as it's generally annoying in the contextts it is used in, mostly important matches and such.
01:21 <Lucifer> this guy's comma-happy
01:24 <mkzelda> back (lol)
01:25 <Lucifer> You don't have to call a read() function, that will block
01:25 <Lucifer> until data apears on the network socket, but you register a callback function,
01:25 <Lucifer> that will get called as soon, as data has been received.
01:25 <mkzelda> nice
01:26 <Lucifer> I think a little comma removal script will help that readme a lot
01:28 <Lucifer> wow, that was an easy library to integrate into my build system
01:37 <Lucifer> I'm going to wind up rewriting his api docs
01:41 <Lucifer> ok, goto in C code is a dealbreaker, I'm removing this library from my build system
01:43 -!- Joy0 [n=joy0@d-65-175-175-158.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #armagetron
01:43 <Joy0> hello
01:44 <Joy0> i am having trouble with armagetron debug recording playback
01:44 <Joy0> wondering if anyone would be about to offer some help?
01:49 <Joy0> anyone out there
01:54 <Joy0> ,,
01:55 <Lucifer> armagetronad -h
01:55 <Joy0> Oh hello
01:56 <Joy0> would you be able to help me?
01:56 <madmax> better say what it is and wait a bit ;)
01:57 <Joy0> okk
01:57 <Joy0> well I recorded a looong file
01:57 <Joy0> tried playing it back right after i recorded it, and it worked fine
01:57 <Lucifer> yes indeed, just asking if anybody can help will yield "yes" at least as often as it'll yield "no"
01:57 <Joy0> i uploaded it without compressing to zip on megaupload.com
01:58 <Joy0> i downloaded it later and tried it, and it does nothing
01:58 <Joy0> but the file is still full of stuff. like 20mb
01:58 <Joy0> Now my orginal copy on my desktop doesnt work either, does the same as the downloaded one
01:58 <Lucifer> ok, I've changed my mind and I'm' not using somebody else's network library, I'm just going to write my own
01:59 <Lucifer> when you downloaded, did the file download to your desktop and overwrite the one you had there already?
01:59 <Joy0> no, at least i do not think
01:59 <Joy0> i probably put it away somewhere, not on my desktop
01:59 <Lucifer> desktop is default download location for every browser on Windows, afaik
01:59 <Lucifer> using windows?
01:59 <Joy0> i have so many differnet copies of it though, from trying different things to get it to work
01:59 <Joy0> yes windows
02:00 <Lucifer> probably write it off, heh
02:00 <Lucifer> you can post the recording to the forums and ask what's wrong with it
02:00 <Lucifer> but zip it yourself *with* compression, if you don't mind
02:00 <Lucifer> 20mb is a big file to ask people to download
02:00 <Joy0> yes, i forgot =p
02:00 <Joy0> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K280EN1G
02:01 <Joy0> thats the compressed one, i tried it again earlier, so i still have link
02:02 <Lucifer> er, I'm actually in the middle of something and need a new cpu fan before I can start arma again anyway
02:02 <Lucifer> post on the forums, that's your best bet to get help on it
02:02 <Lucifer> you may have to wait a day or so before anybody looks at it, though
02:02 <Joy0> oh...
02:02 <Joy0> =(
02:02 <Joy0> urgh... it really annoys me
02:02 <Joy0> i even tried a new recording
02:02 <Joy0> i just recorded a minute or so
02:03 <Joy0> uploaded it, then downloaded it
02:03 <Joy0> didnt work
02:03 <Joy0> just opened up arma, and did nothing
02:04 <Lucifer> make sure you save the first file somewhere, verify it works, save the second file somewhere else, then run diff on it
02:04 <Lucifer> er, I guess you don't have that in windows
02:04 <Lucifer> you need to take this to the forums, that's your best bet.  this channel isn't terribly active right now
02:04 <Lucifer> mostly just me occasionally saying something useless
02:05 <Joy0> heh
02:05 <Joy0> ok...
02:06 <Joy0> rawr!! hate stuff like this
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02:37 <hoax> thx for the heads up max
02:37 <madmax> ?
02:37 <madmax> oh
02:38 <Monkey_arma> well that was certainly a turn out
02:38 <hoax> yeah gg's
02:38 <madmax> we should hijack Cafe next time, X server with 16 isn't that reliable :P
02:38 <Monkey_arma> shame i was the worst player on the grid
02:38 <Monkey_arma> but that shows the quality
02:38 <hoax> hehe
02:38 <hoax> gn :>
02:38 <madmax> cya
02:39 <Monkey_arma> cu
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02:44 <Flex> lol i think wrtlprnft wouldn't like that
02:44 <madmax> he doesn't need to know!
02:45 <Flex> he dows now :p
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02:45 <Flex> #rating flex
02:45 <armabot> Flex: flex is 477th with a rating of 1586-1636 (from 1588-1634)
02:45 <Flex> #rating |x|_flex
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02:45 <armabot> Flex: |x|_flex is 476th with a rating of 1586-1625 (from 1586-1636)
02:46 <Flex> pff is x sumo connected?
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02:46 <Flex> oh oh
02:46 <Flex> #rating flex@x
02:46 <armabot> Flex: I don't know anything about 'flex@x'!
02:46 <Flex> luke-jr you suck
02:47 <Flex> candy
02:47 <luke-jr> Flex: f u
02:47 <Flex> xxx
02:47 <luke-jr> not my fault you can't learn
02:48 <Flex> what do i have to learn
02:48 <luke-jr> #rating 0:flex@x
02:48 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about '0:flex@x'!
02:48 <madmax> lol
02:48 <Flex> ha
02:48 <luke-jr> how to play I guess
02:48 <madmax> alright, good night
02:48 <Flex> gn
02:48 <luke-jr> madmax: play TWG2?
02:49 <madmax> mmm don't think so
02:49 <Flex> Monkey_arma, you wasn't the worse player
02:49 <Monkey_arma> Flex, wrong
02:49 <Flex> why do you think that?
02:50 <Flex> my teams pwned hardc0re
02:50 <Flex> your team fell apart badly :p
02:50 <Monkey_arma> because , you, hoax, noob13, max, maz, durka, lack, and so on were better
02:51 <Monkey_arma> ady, cyclo...
02:51 <Flex> i'd choose you first for my team :p
02:53 <luke-jr> Flex: Monkey_arma are you guys playing?
02:53 <Flex> we was
02:54 <Monkey_arma> g5...
02:54 <Monkey_arma> yep i was bottom.....
02:55 <Monkey_arma> i play better on cafe it seems but thats no excuse
02:55 <luke-jr> I mean TWG
02:55 <Flex> wtf is twg
02:55 <luke-jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18374
02:55 <Monkey_arma> the werewolf game
02:56 <Monkey_arma> i am not sure
02:56 <Flex> fuck that
02:56 <Flex> that's gay
02:56 <luke-jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18384 = current game
02:56 <Flex> Monkey_arma, i don't get it.. you want a 7v7 or something like that, but you have shitty fps
02:56 <Flex> one of the reasons why i prefer 4v4, lag and fps is fine for everyone
02:57 <Flex> nobody can feel disadvantaged or the latter
02:57 <Monkey_arma> flex i played the same on 4v4
02:57 <Monkey_arma> at the end with 4v4 i was as bad
02:57 <Monkey_arma> and 7v7 is more fun
02:57 <Monkey_arma> i will get fps in next 10 days anyway so ...
02:59 <Flex> luke-jr, where's my rating for my flex@x
02:59 <luke-jr> Flex: never played apparently
02:59 <luke-jr> unless
02:59 <luke-jr> #rating 0:Flex@x
02:59 <armabot> luke-jr: 0:Flex@x is 476th with a rating of 1586-1625 (from 1586-1636)
02:59 <Flex> that's bullshit
02:59 <Flex> fuck you!!!!!
03:00 <luke-jr> blame whoever decided case sensitivity was up to the authority
03:00 <luke-jr> #aka 0:Flex@x
03:00 <Flex> how do i look at my specs
03:00 <luke-jr> specs?
03:00 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿23355 theif's_theme |x|_flex 0:|x|_flex@L_OP 0:Flex@x
03:01 <Flex> like details
03:01 <luke-jr> um
03:01 <Flex> i guess it was mixed with my other names
03:01 <luke-jr> { echo 'raw_rating 0:Flex@x'; sleep 5; } | telnet hachi.dashjr.org 9999
03:01 <luke-jr> or something like that
03:01 <Flex> so what i gotta create a different nick so i can smurf and take care of my rating
03:01 <Flex> so much for a "good" global rating
03:01 <luke-jr> smurf?
03:02 <Flex> yes smurf
03:02 <luke-jr> I only know English well
03:03 <Flex> smurf like use a different nick
03:03 <Flex> different alias
03:03 <luke-jr> sure, it keeps track of them ☺
03:03 <Flex> with ips?
03:03 <luke-jr> nah, with renames
03:04 <Flex> well that's not really an issue
03:04 <luke-jr> people share IPs
03:04 <Flex> by the way, have you got rid of your mustache? :p
03:04 <luke-jr> no
03:04 <luke-jr> …
03:04 <Flex> dude.. it's not the 60's
03:04 <Flex> it's not cool!
03:05 <luke-jr> what do I care?
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03:05 <joy0> hello
03:05 <luke-jr> wtf are you
03:05 <Monkey_arma> joy0, just incase you think luke-jr was talking to you he was not
03:05 <Monkey_arma> hello
03:06 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: I was so
03:06 <Flex> hah
03:06 <Flex> why don't you care luke-jr .....
03:06 <luke-jr> Flex: why should I?
03:06 <Flex> it doesn't cost you money to look cool
03:06 <luke-jr> sure it does
03:06 <Flex> actually cool is the wrong word.. maybe urm
03:06 <luke-jr> would need to buy shaving stuff
03:07 <luke-jr> and spend time on it
03:07 <luke-jr> time is money too
03:07 <Stewie-arma> you don't have a razor?
03:07 <Flex> his weak ass attempt to prove a point
03:07 <luke-jr> why should I?
03:07 <Stewie-arma> pfft, what kind of point is he trying to make?
03:07 <Flex> dude you shave your jaw no?
03:07 <luke-jr> actually, Flex is the one trying to make a point
03:07 <joy0> i am having a problem uploading debug recording for playback, i created a long recording, tested it and it worked fine. Then I upload it unzipped once and zipped once and both times when i downloaded it then try to play it back it didnt work
03:08 <Flex> joy0, try the forums, people are sleeping now
03:08 <joy0> it just brought up a armagetron client, no recording
03:08 <Flex> there's a 'support' section
03:09 <Flex> also joy0 make sure it's in the correct location
03:09 <joy0> i know
03:09 <Flex> and the only recording in the folder
03:09 <joy0> what do you mean?
03:09 <joy0> what folder?
03:09 <Flex> what os do you use
03:09 <joy0> i just have the recording on my desktop
03:09 <joy0> windows
03:09 <joy0> i opened it in a text app and it is full of info
03:09 <joy0> just doesnt work
03:10 <Flex> ok, try this
03:10 <joy0> once i uploaded it then downloaded it
03:10 <Flex> make a copy of your file so you don't loose it before trying this:
03:10 <Flex> make a new recording, and watch where it appears
03:10 <Monkey_arma> and sticky ! i forgot sticky
03:10 <Flex> play back and if the same file plays then you're at the right location
03:11 <luke-jr> is sticky very sticky?
03:11 <Flex> move your recording that you want to watch to the same location
03:11 <Flex> replace it, and see if it plays back
03:11 <joy0> ive already tried that
03:11 <joy0> it is my desktop, that is the location
03:12 <noob13> :P
03:12 <joy0> ive tried renaming it to ArmagetronAdvancedDebugRecording.aarec
03:12 <Flex> C:\Documents and Settings\[USERNAME]\Desktop\
03:12 <joy0> but nothing works, just a client pops up and the recording does not commence
03:12 <Flex> -playback "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\ArmagetronAdvancedDebugRecording.aarec"
03:13 <Flex> try putting it in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\ArmagetronAdvancedDebugRecording.aarec
03:13 <joy0> put it where?
03:13 <Flex> my computer> local disk
03:13 <Flex> C:\Documents and Settings
03:13 <Flex> All Users
03:13 <Flex> Desktop
03:14 <joy0> ok its there
03:14 <Flex> playback
03:14 <Flex> see if it works
03:14 <joy0> a window pops up and nothing goes
03:14 <Flex> try again with a different recording
03:15 <Flex> or keep trying with that file
03:15 <Flex> restart playback
03:15 <joy0> a different one works
03:15 <Flex> then it's your file
03:15 <Flex> corrupted on the way or something
03:16 <joy0> thats the thing
03:16 <joy0> no matter if i zip the file or leave it uncompressed
03:16 <joy0> when i upload it , it gets ruined
03:16 <Lucifer> I hate to say it, but the most likely answer is that the service you uploaded it to corrupted it, and you overwrote it when you downloaded it to test
03:16 <joy0> i try downloading it again and nothing works
03:16 <Flex> yeah, you should of zipped it
03:16 <Lucifer> it can't get ruined on upload, the web browser only reads it
03:16 <joy0> its megaupload.com
03:17 <Lucifer> well, if it's IE, anything goes, that thing will screw up butter
03:17 <luke-jr> lol
03:17 <joy0> or something close ot that, which a lot of people use
03:17 <Flex> do not put it on your "desktop" because it reads in "ALL USERS" and it might appear in your desktop but once you move it around it will go into your "user" (that you're logged in now) section
03:17  * Flex blames arma
03:17  * luke-jr blames Flex
03:17 <joy0> rar... hate this
03:17 <Flex> for doing it weird
03:18 <joy0> could I try uploading a very small file for you guys?
03:18 <luke-jr> Arma doesn't do anything weird :þ
03:18 <Lucifer> ?  how does arma do it weird?
03:18 <Flex> it does
03:18 <luke-jr> it's a fscking text file
03:18 <Lucifer> I didn't ask if it did, I asked *how* it did
03:18 <Flex> it should create it's own folder in "my doc"
03:18 <luke-jr> …
03:19 <luke-jr> debug recordings are a debugging tool
03:19 <luke-jr> not a toy for n00bs
03:19 <Lucifer> for debug recordings?  You know, something that you're supposed to use when you have a BUG to report?
03:19 <Flex> it's the same thing for recordings
03:19 <Lucifer> it's like any other debug output, whatever's most convenient for the developer is what is used :)
03:19 <Flex> what's the problem with putting it in my docs?
03:19 <Flex> it's too advanced for that place huh
03:19 <luke-jr> it doesn't put it anywhere
03:19 <luke-jr> except where you tell it to
03:19 <Lucifer> might give it the idea that this is supposed to be used for things besides DEBUG recordings :)
03:20 <Flex> well the default location is just wrong :p
03:20 <Lucifer> maybe someday we'll have a recording format that's more generic, and intended to be used by regular end-users to record and share their games
03:20 <luke-jr> Flex: *Windows* determines your "default location"
03:20 <Monkey_arma> speaking of bugs, today in our match people were getting kicked off their teams for no reason
03:20 <Lucifer> there isn't really a "default" location, you can start up a cmd.exe shell and put it anywhere you want....
03:20 <luke-jr> Armagetron does not put it anywhere specific
03:21 <Flex> i'm just saying, it will make life easier if arma placed it's recordings in my docs
03:21 <Lucifer> it puts it in the easiest place for a quick upload to the forums or a bug tracker
03:21 <luke-jr> I'd vote to drop Windows support before that.
03:21 <joy0> where do you guys suggest i upload it to?
03:21 <luke-jr> joy0: the forums
03:21 <Lucifer> the forums :)
03:21 <joy0> ugh
03:21 <joy0> anywhere else?
03:21 <Lucifer> if you have an actual bug to report, there's a bug tracker on launchpad
03:21 <Flex> it places it in "all users" desktop, then the guy looks on his desktop which shows files in the "all users" desktop section
03:21 <joy0> this is just for a debug recording test
03:21 <luke-jr> there is nowhere else appropriate
03:21 <Flex> and bla bla confusion bla bla
03:22 <Flex> there is
03:22 <Flex> c:/arma recordings
03:22 <luke-jr> Flex: no, Windows places Arma there
03:22 <Flex> done
03:22 <Lucifer> hack your registry and fix it?  Then make a patch for the .nsi file?
03:22 <Flex> why me!
03:22 <Lucifer> it's not something arma does directly, the command is created on the registry when you install the game
03:22 <Flex> my point is for others, not me
03:22 <Lucifer> because you're the one hurting by it :)
03:22 <Flex> i'm not in need of a better location
03:23 <Lucifer> oh, right, "I don't want to fix it, I just want to complain"
03:23 <luke-jr> Flex: nobody cares but you
03:23 <Lucifer> ironically, now I remember who you are :)
03:23  * Lucifer goes back to his robot
03:23 <Flex> ironically.. jeez
03:24 <luke-jr> Flex: figure out why Windows is putting them in that directory and fix it ☺
03:24 <luke-jr> Armagetron is not picking any location
03:24 <Flex> it is
03:24 <Flex> the url is there
03:24 <joy0> http://www.uploading.com/files/N9QBDWJM/ArmagetronAdvancedDebugRecording.zip.html
03:24 <luke-jr> nope
03:24 <Flex> i'm not making it up
03:25 <joy0> i uploaded it to a different place
03:25 <joy0> super small test file
03:27 <joy0> wow... it actually worked this time
03:28 <joy0> so it is just that one file
03:28 <joy0> which happens to have the information i actually need
03:31 <Lucifer> what information does it have that you need?
03:31 <Lucifer> I ask because it's just a plaintext file, you can open it in a text editor :)
03:32 <Flex> Lucifer, i don't know where you're remembering me from, but if there was something i could fix, i would fix it, so i don't know what you're talking about or trying to protray
03:33 <Lucifer> ok, then get a source release and look at the .nsi file that builds the installer
03:33 <Flex> as far as i know, our first conformation was when i oppened a thread to suggest some ideas i had with the console and other things.. and you called my thread "ironic" for some weird.. as if i've rejected my own ideas
03:34 <Lucifer> probably doesn't take any programming or anything to do whatever you're wanting to do, just testing (which I can't do, because I don't use windows)
03:34 <Flex> nice way of introducing yourself i'll also add.
03:35 <Flex> i'm going bed
03:37 <Monkey_arma> oO
03:44 <Lucifer> #google 4096 bytes in kilobytes
03:44 <Lucifer> heh
03:44 <armabot> Lucifer: Search took 0.16 seconds: Number and size limits of a cookie in Internet Explorer: <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306070>; twocanoes.com :: View topic - 64 gigs drive image is 644 kilobytes: <http://twocanoes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2865&sid=3b2ac31956a8292f3049fdd1a6b36b7f>; scalability.org » Blog Archive » … and 8 simultaneous buffered ...: <http://scalability.org/?p=547>; (2 more messages)
03:44 <Lucifer> awww
03:45 <Lucifer> ok good, I'm not smoking crack
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03:51 <joy0> "what information does it have that you need? "
03:51 <joy0> the recording of a tournament
03:52 <Lucifer> hmmmm, you might be screwed
03:52 <Lucifer> best thing to do is determine if the original file is anywhere on your hard drive
03:52 <joy0> perhaps it something ireeversible
03:53 <Lucifer> I'm serious that there's no way doing the upload could have borked the original
03:53 <joy0> 2 hr tournament down the drain
03:53 <Lucifer> so the most logical conclusion is that it was overwritten on download, accidentally (which is surprisingly common)
03:53 <Lucifer> well, depends on what you're looking for in the recording still
03:53 <Lucifer> the score might still be there, but you may have to do some work to get it out
03:53 <joy0> how would the place where i uploaded it ruin it?
03:53 <Lucifer> it *wouldn't*
03:54 <joy0> huh?
03:54 <Lucifer> I'm saying it's most likely when you downloaded it to see if it worked, the place that ruined it sent you a broken file that overwrote your old one
03:54 <Lucifer> er, maybe I misunderstood the question
03:54 <Lucifer> the place you uploaded it to could have ruined it any dozens of ways
03:54 <joy0> ugh
03:54 <Lucifer> maybe they used a broken zip implementation?
03:54 <joy0> i uploaded it aarec
03:54 <joy0> not zipped
03:55 <Lucifer> right......
03:55 <joy0> i still have the orginal link
03:55 <joy0> when i firts uploaded it
03:55 <joy0> when i first*
03:55 <Lucifer> do you have the original file?
03:55 <joy0> I think I do, its hard to tell
03:55 <joy0> i tried so many different things, tons of copies
03:55 <Lucifer> look at the date last modified on the file
03:55 <joy0> i possible could have deleted it
03:55 <Lucifer> assuming you know when you created it
03:56 <joy0> 4:18
03:56 <Lucifer> well, see, if the file is that important to you, you generally back it up before doing anything else with it :)
03:56 <joy0> well, see, im dumb
03:56  * Lucifer puts everything in version control as soon as he makes it
03:56 <joy0> 4:18 sounds about right
03:56 <joy0> the tournament started around 3pm
03:56 <joy0> finished around then
03:56 <Lucifer> right-click on any file and choose "properties", and you'll get a dialog that has in it something saying when the file was last modified
03:56 <joy0> i know
03:57 <joy0> i checked it already
03:57 <joy0> 4:18
03:57 <Lucifer> if you accidentally overwrote the original when you downloaded from that site to check, it should show
03:57 <Lucifer> then upload it to the forums
03:57 <Lucifer> or post there and link the one at the othe rplace
03:57 <Lucifer> something
03:57 <Lucifer> you need someone besides me (most likely z-man) to download it and look at it
03:57 <Lucifer> state which version of arma you used to make it, of course
03:59 <joy0> currently downloading orginal file
03:59 <joy0> 14%!
03:59 <joy0> 20%
04:00 <joy0> 45%
04:00 <Lucifer> um, I don't think I made myself clear
04:00 <Lucifer> the original file that existed before you uploaded it to that place
04:01 <Lucifer> you can just post a link to that other place, no need to upload it, if you want us to look at that file
04:01 <joy0> i am downloading the orginal file i uploaded
04:01 <joy0> to compare dates with the file i have now
04:01 <joy0> which i think is the same
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04:03 <joy0> uhh
04:04 <joy0> the one i downloaded just said everything was modified and created and acessed at the same time
04:04 <joy0> now, when i downloaded it
04:06 <luke-jr> joy0: why are you trying to use debug recordings anyhow?
04:09 <joy0> To record matches and distribute them.
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04:10 <luke-jr> fair
04:10 <luke-jr> fail*
04:10 <FroZen2> Hmm
04:11 <FroZen2> "FroZen2"
04:12 <Monkey_arma> hi
04:12 <luke-jr> …
04:12 <Monkey_arma> a few new names tonight...
04:12 <luke-jr> what's with all the n00bs?
04:13 <FroZen2> Was my name changed to "FroZen2" because I need to log in as "FroZen"
04:14 <luke-jr> you can't login as FroZen
04:15 <FroZen2> It is taken?
04:15 <luke-jr> yes
04:15 <FroZen2> Hmm
04:15 <FroZen2> Well, I am FroZen.
04:16 <FroZen2> I do not remember how to login, or where to enter a password.
04:16 <luke-jr> no you're not
04:16 <luke-jr> the real frozen is connected already
04:17 <luke-jr> from Seattle
04:17 <FroZen2> Huh?
04:17 <luke-jr> [21:20:59] [Whois] frozen is i=blueclou@seattle.rh.rit.edu (R.J. Kidd)
04:17 <luke-jr> [21:20:59] [Whois] frozen is online via irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/).
04:17 <FroZen2> I do not see a FroZen in this room.
04:17 <luke-jr> he's not in this room
04:17 <FroZen2> Ah, I see.
04:17 <FroZen2> So someone is already registered under my name.
04:18 <luke-jr> minus the 2, yes
04:18 <FroZen2> That is a bummer.
04:22 <Lucifer> maybe if I mix some tea with this wine it'll be easier to drink
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06:22 <Lucifer> yay!  finally got my udp thingee working
06:22 <Lucifer> now I can do some real work :)
06:40 <Lucifer> bastard!
06:40 <Lucifer> last cup of tea in the pitcher, and while I'm pouring it, this moth flies into the stream and dies!
06:41 <Lucifer> luke-jr: you gonna get your wife into irc for this game?
06:50 <luke-jr> maybe
06:50 <luke-jr> or she might just read the forum
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07:08 <Lucifer> who's this ttech guy?
07:10 <Lucifer> if she just reads the forums, she'll miss a lot of the game
07:10 <Ttech> Lucifer,  a maniac
07:10 <Ttech> she?
07:10 <Ttech> She?!
07:10 <Ttech> go die
07:10 <Lucifer> heh, I just noticed you in #python and got curious
07:10 <Ttech> he would be more correct
07:10 <Ttech> And I'm in many places
07:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer: guess I'll install Konversation on her laptop then
07:11 <Lucifer> no, the she I was talking about was a different conversation
07:11  * luke-jr snickers.
07:11 <Lucifer> yeah, I already finished stalking ttech, lost interest, heh
07:11 <Lucifer> stalling
07:11 <Lucifer> I need to start designing my network protocol, and I don't want to
07:12 <Lucifer> I just...plain...don't...want...to
07:12 <luke-jr> make Ttech do it
07:12 <Lucifer> ttech: write my network protocol, now!
07:13 <Ttech> Lucifer,  come on DevNode
07:14 <Ttech> irc://irc.devnode.org/programming and talk to duck
07:15 <Lucifer> is this one of those situations where I go over there and then he says "$2000!"?
07:16 <Ttech> Lucifer,  no
07:16 <Ttech> Not at all
07:16 <luke-jr> lol
07:19 <Lucifer> bahahahaha
07:19 <Ttech> Lucifer,  You got lucky
07:25 <Lucifer> I got unlucky
07:26 <Lucifer> I'm a grab a smoke and then see if I can at least define a header and write a handshake before I crash
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08:21 <Stewie-arma> #weather 92037
08:21 <armabot> Stewie-arma: The current temperature in La Jolla Shores, La Jolla, California is 56.3°F (11:25 PM PDT on April 19, 2008). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising).
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08:31 <Durka> #m Manta email me please: durkadurkamj@gmail.com
08:31 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
08:31 <Durka> #m Manta (we need to talk)
08:31 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
08:34 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy the 0xRESETT in player_admin_slap_win and player_admin_slap_lose is unnecessary, AddScore handles that automatically
08:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:35 <Durka> luke-jr: are u alive?
08:36 <Durka> is 0xRESETT what I think it is?
08:37 <wrtlprnft> Durka: what do you think it is?
08:38 <Durka> wrtlprnft: for some reason I'm thinking it would reset the color of someone's text to 0xffff7f
08:38 <Durka> like 0xff0000def 0xRESETTdown
08:38 <Durka> would really be 0xff0000def 0xffff7fdown
08:38 <Durka> but I'm probably way wrong :P
08:39 <wrtlprnft> no. it resets it to the default color of the textbox
08:39 <wrtlprnft> which is usually white in the console
08:39 <wrtlprnft> but when voodoo makes the console a cockpit widget he may make its default color configurable
08:40 <wrtlprnft> Durka: where it's useful right now is in server names. 0xRESETT blinks when you hover it, 0xffffff doesn't (or does less)
08:40 <Durka> o gotcha
08:40 <Durka> yea I noticed that
08:41 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately few server admins seem to know that :-(
08:41 <wrtlprnft> all those ID servers for example
08:41 <wrtlprnft> someone should get their admin
08:42 <Durka> QUARG is the admin
08:43 <wrtlprnft> QUARG: hi there.
08:43 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
08:43 <Durka> wrtlprnft: you should change the name of cafe to
08:43 <Durka> er i dont feel like typing it out
08:43 <Durka> but for the first 4 letters: F0xffffffo0xRESETTr0xfffffft
08:43 <Durka> every other letter blinks ;P
08:44 <wrtlprnft> heh, i want to see how that looks
08:44 <Durka> the only thing I could think that would screw up is online server browsers
08:44 <Durka> i guess i could just put a str replace for RESETT as ffffff
08:44 <Durka> since <font color="RESETT"> i dont think exists
08:45 <Durka> :D
08:46 <wrtlprnft> :-)
08:46 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i was wrong about the blinking
08:47 <wrtlprnft> weird
08:47 <wrtlprnft> i'll have to check on that later
08:48 <Durka> what time is it GMT right now?
08:49 <wrtlprnft> 6:50
08:49 <wrtlprnft> #unload time
08:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
08:49 <wrtlprnft> #unload time
08:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:49 <wrtlprnft> #load Time2
08:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:49 <wrtlprnft> #gmzime
08:50 <wrtlprnft> #gmtime
08:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 06:57 AM, April 20, 2008
08:57 <wrtlprnft> #gmtime
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 06:57 AM, April 20, 2008
08:57 <wrtlprnft> now it's actually correct :-)
09:04 <Durka> wrtlprnft: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18389
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09:05 <Durka> wait, weren't you in the matches?
09:05  * Durka has amnesia :S
09:08 <wrtlprnft> Durka: no, i wasn't
09:08 <Durka> o heh
09:10 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: is voodoo really going to do that?
09:10 <Lucifer> er, make the console a cockpit widget, that is
09:11 <wrtlprnft> he was talking about it
09:11 <wrtlprnft> together with that camview widget
09:11 <Lucifer> man, if he does that, that might be worth an unchecked commit :)
09:13 <Durka> the camview widget aint working right
09:13 <Durka> but i'm off to go play some halo ftw
09:13 <Lucifer> Durka: yes it does, we just dropped support for your OS
09:13 <Durka> you dropped support for linux?
09:14 <Durka> Lucifer: pwnt
09:14 <wrtlprnft> for your distribution
09:14 <Lucifer> nt mac fanboy
09:14 <Durka> voodoo has a mac too ;)
09:14 <Lucifer> then complain to him if it's not working right for you :)
09:14 <Durka> (I already did and he said he knew and he's working on a new one)
09:14 <Lucifer> at least, until it shows up in the trunk....
09:15  * Durka is always one step ahead of Luci :P)
09:15 <Durka> alright cya
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09:15 <Lucifer> if he ws always one step ahead of me, wrtlpwned would have finished the worm game
09:17 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy i like your permanent silence feature, but will someone who's silenced and rejoins ever be voiced again?
09:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:20 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8425 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): wrtlprnft: fixed a typo, removed useless 0xRESETT and an access level setter to Administrator (that's the default), and documented some changes in NEWS
09:27 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy binaries are updated again
09:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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10:06 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8426 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp src/tools/tString.cpp):
10:06 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft: made use of the new 0xRESETT tColorStringProxies. Also removed a lot
10:06 <armabot> armagetronad: of tabs that made the code unreadable at tabstop=4 (unfortunately we settled to
10:06 <armabot> armagetronad: use spaces for indentation, I agree that using tabs at the beginning of lines
10:06 <armabot> armagetronad: would have been way better)
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12:15 <joda_bot> z-man-work: wrtlprnft: Lucifer: https://answers.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+question/28842 Why was that mouse behaviour changed in the first place (is that a side effect of the glancing behaviour)
12:18 <wrtlprnft_opera> is it just me or is lp terribly slow right now?
12:19 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: is that person talking about→0.2.8?
12:20 <wrtlprnft> or about the trunk?
12:20 <pippijn> wrtlprnft:
12:20 <pippijn>   s = "20 apples"; std::cout << s << '\n';
12:20 <pippijn>   s += 10; std::cout << s << '\n';
12:20 <pippijn> output:
12:20 <pippijn> 20 apples
12:20 <pippijn> 30 apples
12:20 <joda_bot> no he is talking about -> 0.2.8 I guess
12:21 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no clue, i never really played
12:21 <joda_bot> at least my mouse glancing behaviour was broken
12:21 <wrtlprnft> mouse glancing IS definitely broken
12:21 <wrtlprnft> but i recall it was in 0.2.7 as well
12:21 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: is s a string or a scalar?
12:21 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: scalar
12:21 <joda_bot> ok, the bug is more or less that the mouse glancing does not rotate about the current cycle's center, but some point far behind the cycle
12:22 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: it throws if there was no number in the scalar
12:22 <joda_bot> also it does not keep the rotation when moving along, but always rotates back to centered pos
12:22 <wrtlprnft> neat
12:22 <joda_bot> that's the point that is broken in
12:22 <joda_bot> as far as I tested it
12:22 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue why it is?
12:22 <wrtlprnft> is it broken in the same way in 0.2.7?
12:22 <joda_bot> Never touched that code, so no idea
12:23 <wrtlprnft> me neither
12:23 <joda_bot> did not test 0.7
12:23 <joda_bot> 2.7
12:23 <joda_bot> meritron (?) might know he made a lot of glancing code experiments
12:23 <joda_bot> is he around ?
12:23 <wrtlprnft> haven't seen him for some time
12:23 <joda_bot> hmmm
12:24 <pippijn>   s = "I have 20 apples"; std::cout << s << '\n';
12:24 <pippijn>   s += 10; std::cout << s << '\n';
12:24 <pippijn> throws with  what():  Invalid attempt to add number to non-numeric in operator+=
12:24 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: it now also works with s * 10
12:24 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: and reserve()s before doing it
12:24 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/092a1e54846c8a1fc3129274c968abf5.txt
12:24 <wrtlprnft> php++?
12:25 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/f6cdc3face9b54d654e26ee39dcb4424.txt <- any way to optimise this?
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12:26 <wrtlprnft> the first paste of yours can still be optimized :-)
12:26 <pippijn> correct
12:26 <pippijn>       std::string const &val = lhs;
12:26 <pippijn> oh wait
12:26 <pippijn> no
12:26 <pippijn> can't
12:26 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:26 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: how?
12:26 <wrtlprnft> can
12:26 <wrtlprnft> ;-=
12:26 <pippijn> can't
12:27 <wrtlprnft> lhs.reserve (lhs.length () * rhs);
12:27 <pippijn> it will be a reference to lhs
12:27 <pippijn> uhm
12:27 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: how?
12:27 <wrtlprnft> std::string::const_iterator end = lhs.end();
12:27 <wrtlprnft> for(blah)
12:27 <wrtlprnft> lhs.append(lhs.begin(), end);
12:27 <wrtlprnft> dunno if that's legal
12:28 <pippijn> o_o
12:28 <pippijn> append?
12:28 <pippijn> ah
12:28 <pippijn> yes
12:28 <pippijn> hmm
12:29 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: what if it relocates?
12:29 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't because you called reserve
12:29 <pippijn> right
12:29 <pippijn> I wonder if it's legal
12:29 <wrtlprnft> alternatively use lhs.append(lhs, 0, <old length>)
12:29 <pippijn> that should be as fast
12:29 <pippijn> and possibly more safe
12:30 <wrtlprnft> might be as illegal, though
12:30 <pippijn> why?
12:30 <wrtlprnft> if it's a really stupid implementation that ignores reserve() and reallocates right in the middle of copying
12:30 <joda_bot> pippijn: in the second one , double num is not initialized... (or is it ?)
12:30 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: it is
12:30 <wrtlprnft> is >> num
12:31 <pippijn> joda_bot: that's why I check if (is >> num)
12:31 <wrtlprnft> extraces num from is
12:31 <joda_bot> ah right you read it in the if line :-P
12:31 <joda_bot> argh
12:31 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: >> may not initialise it
12:31 <pippijn> but if it doesn't then the condition fails
12:31 <wrtlprnft> true
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12:37 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/c8a94ec01a3fcfe24773d8c489bcbad2.txt
12:37 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: look how easy it is to define rules for valid operations
12:38 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: will the changes you made to "ladderlog" be automatically merged to armagetron-sty ?
12:39 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: what does your name mean?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: the next time someone merges
12:39 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: what the hell is that? a template of templates?
12:39 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: nested template in a template class
12:40 <wrtlprnft> ah, right. I always define those in the interface
12:40 <pippijn> template<typename> struct foo { template<typename> struct bar; };
12:40 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: I can't do that
12:40 <pippijn> the interfaces are generated
12:40 <pippijn> these rules are manually added
12:40 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:41 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Valentin#Gefl.C3.BCgelte_Worte_Valentins
12:41 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: it's a variation of that
12:41 <pippijn> ah
12:41 <wrtlprnft> (assuming that you can read german if you have a german keyboard)
12:41 <pippijn> I can ;-)
12:42 <pippijn> hmm
12:42 <pippijn> interesting :-)
12:42 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: my math teacher in grade 4 used to use that name in exercises (or another variation of it)
12:43 <pippijn> oh
12:43 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: like, herr wrtlprnft kauft 5 äpfel zum preis von je .3DM, etc
12:43 <pippijn> :-D
12:43 <pippijn> how nice of him
12:44 <wrtlprnft> and well, the first time i had to pick a nick to register somewhere I tried to spell it and used it as a nickname
12:44 <pippijn> I see
12:44 <wrtlprnft> it turns out this name isn't taken anywhere, so it's a better choice than Lucifer or Joda, of which there are millions
12:44 <pippijn> people have interesting stories about their nick
12:44 <pippijn> my nick is just my name
12:45 <pippijn> and my name isn't taken anywhere either
12:45 <wrtlprnft> good for you :-) mathias is probably too common, even though it's an uncommon spelling
12:46 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: now they're merged.
12:47 <joda_bot> hehe ;)
12:47 <joda_bot> have to reboot
12:48 <joda_bot> will be back later ... somehow the fan control of the notebook seems to be gone
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12:50 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: how can I optimise the first?
12:50 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:50 <pippijn> er
12:50 <pippijn> the second
12:50 <pippijn> op+=
12:50  * wrtlprnft is no optimisation expert, but i'll have a look at it
12:52 <wrtlprnft> well, copying the entire string into an istringstream sounds inefficient, but I don't know a way around that
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12:52 <wrtlprnft> besides atoi, which isn't very c++y
12:52 <pippijn> right
12:52 <pippijn> I want to be c++y
12:52 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
12:52 <pippijn> and I would be using strtol anyways
12:53 <wrtlprnft> same general idea
12:53 <pippijn> yes
12:53 <pippijn> except that strtol is both faster and more safe
12:53 <pippijn> s/more safe/safer/
12:54 <epsy> wrtlprnft, can you update your binaries ?
12:54 <wrtlprnft> err, they should be already
12:54 <wrtlprnft> At revision 8426.
12:54 <epsy> 820 fixes an horrible bug X_x
12:55 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's time to use bzr on my server, too
12:56 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: i don't see a c++y way, but several non-c++y ways
12:56 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: I see several non-c++y ways
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12:56 <wrtlprnft> including not rewriting the string if the number's length doesn't change
12:57 <Flex> wrtlprnft, update :D
12:57 <pippijn> I could just return if rhs is 0
12:57 <pippijn> that would help a bit
12:57 <pippijn> but I'm not sure whether the branch is worth it
12:57 <pippijn> I doubt += 0 happens a lo
12:57 <pippijn> t
12:57 <wrtlprnft> Flex: haha, i just read the log message
12:58 <Flex> lol
12:58 <Flex> 'darn'
12:59 <epsy> one fucking line :P
12:59 <wrtlprnft> done
13:01 <wrtlprnft> “enjoy the silence”
13:02 <Flex> epsy is a control freak
13:02 <Flex> seriously, he'll eat your soulszzz
13:03  * wrtlprnft wonders if 5 nested for loops are a Good Thing
13:03 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8427 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eVoter.cpp): epsy46: woops, everyone could get silenced right upon connection
13:12 <wrtlprnft> epsy: there we go, now i'm using bzr for getting arma's source code
13:14 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/475604d31d2e7e08983e44b8d6f89815.txt
13:14 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: that's the rule for modulo
13:15 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: how would you format it?
13:18 <pippijn> you know what I regard as one the coolest things of scalar?
13:18 <pippijn>   s = &std::cout; std::cout << s << '\n';
13:18 <pippijn>   std::ostream *out = s; *out << "Hello world\n";
13:18 <pippijn> this :-)
13:18 <pippijn> output:
13:18 <pippijn> 0x615a20
13:18 <pippijn> Hello world
13:19 <Flex> hello pippijn
13:19 <pippijn> hi Flex
13:19 <Flex> hello pippijn
13:19 <pippijn> ?
13:19 <Flex> ?
13:19  * Flex high fives
13:23 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: your formatting looks ok to me…
13:23 <pippijn> okay
13:24 <wrtlprnft> and your coolest thing is crazy ;-)
13:24 -!- emphasis|zzzzz is now known as emphasis
13:24 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: it's lovely
13:24 <pippijn> I can store pointers to arbitrary data in it
13:25 <pippijn> I just don't get any type checking..
13:25 <pippijn> I could implement it, though
13:25 <pippijn> by storing a pointer to the typeid of the pointer along with the pointer itself
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13:30  * wrtlprnft thought typeid was more of a debugging tool than something to be used in a serious manner
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13:31 <pippijn> boost::any uses it
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13:31 <wrtlprnft> true
13:31 <pippijn> std::tr1::enable_if<cond, type> is counter-intuitive to me
13:32 <pippijn> well
13:32 <pippijn> maybe not counter-intuitive
13:32 <pippijn> but I'd rather see cond and type switched
13:32 <pippijn> my meta::type_if<type, cond> is more readable in use
13:33 <pippijn> the type is important and cond may grow a lot
13:33 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/86eb2e945402ce2491104dfaf2c79aa3.txt
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8428 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy46: SILENCE and VOICE use GetColoredName() instead of GetName() and don't spam.
13:41 <wrtlprnft> i just hope this won't break café again
13:41 <wrtlprnft> crazy template stuff ;-)
13:42 <pippijn> ;-)
13:42 <pippijn> I think I'll have a go at type-safety
13:46 <wrtlprnft> good luck
13:47 <pippijn> it's not nice
13:47 <pippijn> hm
13:47 <pippijn> a gcc bug prevents torres from getting the newest scalar
13:48 <pippijn> sadly
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13:49 <pippijn> so now it has no scalar at all
13:49 <pippijn> torres: { istringstream i ("hello"); istringstream is = i; }
13:49 <torres> ‘ios_base::ios_base(const ios_base&)’ is private
13:49 <pippijn> :-(
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14:34 <pippijn> wrtlprnft:   what():  Invalid conversion of std::ostream* to char*
14:35 <wrtlprnft> so you're typesafe now?
14:35 <pippijn> yes
14:36 <pippijn> demangling of type names for that error message
14:36 <pippijn>         throw std::runtime_error ("Invalid conversion of " + demangle (*ti) + " to " + demangle (typeid (ptr)));
14:36 <pippijn> works for gcc and visual studio
14:36 <pippijn> and possibly more
14:37 <wrtlprnft> who cares about the rest, really? ;-D
14:37 <pippijn> right
14:39 <pippijn>   s = &std::cout; std::cout << s << '\n';
14:39 <pippijn>   std::ostream *out = s; *out << "Hello world" << '\n';
14:39 <pippijn>   attempt (char *str = s; std::cout << str << '\n');
14:39 <wrtlprnft> argh
14:39 <wrtlprnft> pdflatex is generating unreadable pdf files for me
14:41 <pippijn> output:
14:41 <pippijn> 0x61b660 0x416c80
14:41 <pippijn> Hello world
14:41 <pippijn> Exception caught: Invalid conversion of std::ostream* to char*
14:43 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: one other cool thing is that my scalar is 100% well-defined c++ code
14:43 <pippijn> there is no undefined behavior in it
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16:11 <P4> i got a problem with +directx option when running armagetron, it gives me an error:
16:11 <P4> Error in int SDL_main(int, char**) in src\tron\gArmagetron.cpp:629:
16:11 <P4> 	Couldn't initialize SDL: DirectInputDevice::SetCooperativeLevel: Unknown DirectInput error: 0x80004001
16:12 <P4> i use -directx, i wonder if this is the reason why i got low fps. -directx means no DirectX usage, right?
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16:22 <luke-jr> P4: there is never DirectX usage afaik
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16:27 <Flex> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3773520.ece
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16:27 <Flex> fucking hell.. now i know what that awful smell was
16:27 <Flex> and still is..
16:28 <K-Yo> :/
16:29  * K-Yo goes for a shower
16:29 <P4> oh
16:29 <P4> what is +-directx then?
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16:44 <Flex> http://overclockingpin.com/cooling.html
16:44 <Flex> http://overclockingpin.com/tek9%2030%20xfire%20frozen%20web.jpg
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19:13 <Lucifer> they need to make a network protocol that's message-based like udp, but reliable like tcp
19:33 <Lucifer> if the universe does end when you cast a struct sockaddr_in* to a  struct sockaddr*, I promise you it's pure coincidence and you shouldn't even worry about it.
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19:59 <joda_bot> P4: did someone explain about directx ?
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20:03 <Durka> madmax: ping
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20:15 <madmax> Durka: pong
20:15 <Durka> madmax: I was going to ask you if you have that macosx recorder program
20:15 <Durka> the one that sometimes comes in the dmg that u download arma with
20:16 <Durka> but i found it in svn, building it now
20:18 <madmax> it's in an alpha .dmg z-man published to beta.armagetronad.net too
20:18 <madmax> and somewhere in the forums in a post from nemo :P
20:19 <Durka> alright, madmax see if you can download it
20:19 <Durka> http://durkas.info/mac
20:20 <ct|kyle> who uses a mac :D
20:20 <madmax> don't think you built that thing universal
20:21 <Durka> me neither
20:21 <Durka> it just crashed on me
20:21 <Durka> x2
20:21 <madmax> well, if you need it grab the one from beta...
20:22 <Durka> lol failed again :P
20:27 <Durka> madmax: I've just searched nemo's posts back to dec. 06
20:27 <Durka> no luck
20:29 <madmax> er, did you read what i said? :P
20:29 <madmax> grab z-man's alpha from march
20:30 <Durka> meh
20:30  * Durka usually ignores max :D
20:32 <madmax> pfft.
20:33 <Durka> madmax: found it ;) http://durkas.info/mac/recorder/
20:35 <Durka> max you read my thread?
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20:36 <madmax> yes
20:41 <Durka> :P
20:47 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you could always treat TCP packets as messages
20:47 <luke-jr> Lucifer: the problem is when you have small MTUs
20:47 <Lucifer> that's what I did in eugenics, and just read the stream and parse out the messages
20:47 <luke-jr> but that would be a problem with UDP packets too
20:48 <Lucifer> I like the semantics in udp though, where you get the entire message and only that (for each recvfrom), or nothing
20:48 <luke-jr> that's the API, I think
20:48 <luke-jr> the protocol itself doesn't influence it
20:48 <luke-jr> other than TCP defining an actual order for packets
20:48 <Lucifer> well, tcp also requires the stream to be in order, and I'd like the out of order delivery capabilities of udp also
20:49 <Lucifer> so I could probably write an api that uses udp down below and preserves the message semantics
20:49 <Lucifer> what I'm working on right now doesn't need every packet to be guaranteed delivery, so I won't worry about it yet :)
20:50 <luke-jr> yeah
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20:51 <luke-jr> I think the logic behind having only those two was along the lines of "most people want reliability, in-order processing, and such or at least don't MIND these features, so TCP takes care of them; a minimal UDP can cover everything else" ☺
20:52 <Lucifer> hey, that's all fine too, but I hate parsing the stream :)
20:53 <Lucifer> if your'e just downloading a file, it's no big deal, but when it's a communication protocol, there's more stuff you want in there
20:54 <luke-jr> I'm sure there's higher-level libraries for stuff like that ☺
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21:01 <Durka> madmax: ping
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21:08 <Lucifer> my wife's a codemonkey :/
21:08 <luke-jr> Lucifer: have her join TWG too?
21:09 <Lucifer> no, heh
21:09 <Stewie-arma> woah, deja vu.
21:09 <Lucifer> she's in there with openoffice.org making lists by hand because "it wasn't doing it the way I wanted it to"
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21:09 <deja_vu> hey
21:09 <Stewie-arma> whoops, haha
21:10 <deja_vu> :P
21:10 <deja_vu> didn't think i was that impressive
21:10 <Lucifer> definition of a codemonkey: someone who doesn't let the machine/program/application do the heavy lifting because they don't understand how it does it
21:10 <Stewie-arma> I know, I was just to amazed.
21:11 <luke-jr> btw, if anyone cares, 0.2.8 branch is broken yet again
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21:11 <luke-jr> probably epsy
21:12 <luke-jr> /var/tmp/portage/games-action/armagetronad-live-0.2.8_alpha7561/work/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp:2934: error: 'se_hideAccessLevelOf' was not declared in this scope
21:14 <epsy> compiles fine here :/
21:14 <luke-jr> epsy: configured as a client, it does?
21:17 <epsy> ah i see the problem
21:18 <epsy> :P
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21:19 <Stewie-arma> hmmm, that's not very fun...
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21:20  * epsy agrees 100%
21:21 <epsy> luke-jr, committed the fix
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21:22 <Lucifer> egads, what's the biggest numberan unsigned short can have?
21:23 <wrtlprnft> #g 2^16 - 1
21:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (2^16) - 1 = 65,535
21:23 <Lucifer> er, I meant just one byte, heh
21:24 <Lucifer> #g 2^8 - 1
21:24 <wrtlprnft> char?
21:24 <armabot> Lucifer: (2^8) - 1 = 255
21:24 <Lucifer> yeah, that
21:24 <Lucifer> ok, maybe I meant a short.  255 is too small
21:24 <wrtlprnft> gee, everyone knows that number by heart :-)
21:24 <madmax> #later tell Durka pong
21:24 <armabot> madmax: The operation succeeded.
21:24 <Lucifer> man, I've been hacking python for a long time now, haven't done stuff like this in awhile...
21:25 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8429 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
21:25 <armabot> armagetronad: cleanup
21:25 <armabot> armagetronad: add auth USE to -live 0.3
21:25 <armabot> armagetronad: add respawn USE to -live *
21:26 <luke-jr> epsy: where's your commit msg?
21:26 <epsy> on launchpad
21:26 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8430 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy46: Fixing non-auth compilation.
21:26 <epsy> you could give a slap to bazaarmagetron
21:26 <epsy> hah
21:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 3*360 + 270
21:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (3 * 360) + 270 = 1,350
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #g 270+360-590
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 270 + 360 - 590 = 40
21:32 <wrtlprnft> #g 590+360+30
21:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 590 + 360 + 30 = 980
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21:48 <Lucifer> so I need a short short to get a 1 byte int?
21:49 <epsy> isn't a one byte int a boolean?
21:50 <Lucifer> no, that's one bit :)
21:50 <Lucifer> 8 bits to a byte!
21:50 <Lucifer> except that the bool datatype in c++ usually takes up a whole byte, hence the use of OR'ed flags
21:52 <Lucifer> er how big is a timestamp?  ;)
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21:57 <epsy> ops
21:58 <Lucifer> er, long int is 32 bits, right?
21:58 <Lucifer> or is it 64?  ;)
21:59 <madmax> doesn't that depend on language/arch?
21:59 <epsy> in french we use totally different words for bit and byte
22:00 <epsy> 8 bit = 1 'octet'
22:00 <Lucifer> ah, we use octet in network only, typically
22:00 <Lucifer> like, ethernet defines an ethernet packet in terms of octets
22:01 <Lucifer> but since 1 byte = 1 octet, it's not a big deal ;)
22:01 <epsy> yes, it's just confusing sometimes
22:01 <Lucifer> that's for hardware geeks, software geeks use byte
22:01 <epsy> (excuses excuses)
22:02 <Lucifer> ok, a long int is 4 bytes/octets, how about that?
22:02 <Lucifer> I need room for two of these
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22:05 <Lucifer> I guess I could have just done sizeof(struct timeval)
22:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: short short doesn't exist.
22:18 <wrtlprnft> #g 590-270
22:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 590 - 270 = 320
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22:22 <epsy> and finally you can really hide your GID
22:23 <epsy> :P
22:23 <wrtlprnft> it's a serverside opt-in right now, though
22:23 <epsy> at least it can really work now
22:24 <wrtlprnft> epsy: if you are hiding yourself and execute /players, do you show the hidden tag there, too?
22:24 <wrtlprnft> would be useful to determine if you're really hidden
22:24 <epsy> yes
22:25 <wrtlprnft> neat :-)
22:25 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8431 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy46: hide login messages, too
22:25 <epsy> se_Hide tells a is able to see b when a = b
22:25 <wrtlprnft> i know
22:25 <epsy> and well, in ePlayer we're testing if we can hide or not
22:26 <wrtlprnft> so you know if you would able to hide from yoursef if you weren't yourself
22:26 <epsy> err
22:26 <epsy> yes?
22:26 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
22:26  * epsy splits
22:34 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8432 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy46: you could demote someone of the same level as yourself
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23:19 <epsy> #ping
23:19 <armabot> pong
23:32 <epsy> if i would add network version in /players, what would be the best? show it to everyone, to people who have ACCESS_LEVEL_IPS, or to have a specific ACCESS_LEVEL_ entry for it?
23:43 <epsy> brb
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