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Log from 2008-04-17:
--- Day changed Thu Apr 17 2008
00:00 <epsy> #aka ¦×¦epsy
00:00 <armabot> epsy: timed out
00:00 <armabot> epsy: timed out
00:00 <epsy> #aka 0:epsy@x
00:01 <armabot> epsy: timed out
00:01 <epsy> wow
00:01 <epsy> anyway gn
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00:02 <fonkay> so is time up?
00:03 -!- noob7 is now known as noob7_away
00:05 <z-man> no. 45 minutes left.
00:06 <guru3> i thought you said 23:00 gmt
00:06 <fonkay> me too
00:06 <madmax> 23:00 is in 45
00:06 <guru3> Thu Apr 17 00:12:49 CEST 2008
00:07 <guru3> do you mean to say you're using actual gmt
00:07 <guru3> and not summer time adjusted gmt?
00:07 <fonkay> oh yes, forgot about dst
00:09 <fonkay> 23:00 was 14 mins ago in my head.
00:09 <guru3> same here
00:09  * guru3 suggest z-man callibrate to BST
00:09 <guru3> instead of GMT
00:10 <z-man> Isn't DST staring on different days in different regions?
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00:10 <guru3> yes
00:10 <guru3> but it's started everywhere by now
00:10 <z-man> Except on the southern hemisphere :)
00:11 <guru3> is anyone from there playing?
00:11 <z-man> no.
00:11 <guru3> well then
00:12 <madmax> make a countdown through armabot :-P
00:14 <z-man> Or display the official forum time on the forum somewhere :)
00:14  * worm slaps spidey
00:14 <z-man> shut up, worm
00:14 <worm> :x
00:14 <worm> he started it
00:14 <madmax> indeed, could be useful not only for this
00:16 <guru3> oh noes
00:16 <guru3> jonathan gets the axes
00:17 <madmax> btw, is the forum missing an image at the top of the pages or is it just me?
00:17 <guru3> just you
00:18 <fonkay> so you ready to admit your worminess yet?
00:18 <guru3> ?
00:18 <fonkay> yea you...
00:18 <guru3> i'm not a worm
00:18 <guru3> wish i was :<
00:19 <fonkay> that's what a worm would say
00:19 <guru3> it'd be loads more fun
00:19 <worm> no way!
00:19 <fonkay> sthu
00:19 <worm> then 7th graders would be cuttin ya open to study you
00:19 <guru3> did lack vote for someone before voting for jon?
00:19 <ct|kyle> guru3: please @ct authentication :D
00:19 <fonkay> no
00:20 <madmax> doh. my adblock list for opera was blocking the image :<
00:21 <guru3> fie
00:22 <fonkay> fo
00:23 <fonkay> if we decide to play this a second time, I hope we get more people to play.
00:24 <guru3> it would be better with more people
00:24 <guru3> seems like everyone is on at the same time
00:24 <z-man> Yeah, consider this a test run to get the feel for things.
00:25 <fonkay> maybe if we have more people we'll get info after lynchings...
00:25  * guru3 feels bad for jonathan getting lynched
00:26 <fonkay> see, that's not good..
00:26 <fonkay> that's the wrong attitude all together.
00:26 <guru3> well he hasn't done anything to make me suspicious of him
00:26 <guru3> unless not being suspicious is suspicious in and of itself
00:26 <fonkay> oh for sure, i'm sticking with maz...
00:26 <fonkay> well, sometimes that is.
00:27 <guru3> his comment was no more arbitrary than wrtlpwned's opening one
00:27 <fonkay> even though maz is not suspicious himself.
00:27 <guru3> *no less even
00:27 <guru3> but jonathan seems to have a bit of a 'que sera sera' attitude
00:27 <guru3> "i'm innocent and i can't prove it so i'll shut up. if you kill me you've only screwed yourselves"
00:27 <fonkay> the people defending maz is what's suspicious.. no one seems to care if jon goes.. (except you)
00:28 <guru3> because jon hasn't defined himself as a personality
00:28 <fonkay> and him i suppose
00:28 <guru3> so far he's really only a name
00:29 <guru3> on noes
00:30 <guru3> jonathan has changed his vote from maz
00:30 <guru3> it's only you and me now
00:30 <fonkay> why on earth would he do that?
00:30 <guru3> he explains it
00:30 <guru3> That first vote might have been an attempt to get the mob after me initially. wrtlprnft knows it's unlikely that I'm a worm and probably shouldn't eliminate me because I might be dangerous as a worm. And if he is a worm he knows I'm not a worm.
00:30 <guru3> Mobbing is what we live on, because it counters the directed votes from worms with a better chance of randomness (not that random is good, but it's the best we have at this point, ignoring the social aspect that I horribly fail at).
00:31 <guru3> this requires so mch paying attention and remember
00:31 <guru3> to keep the current tally -_-
00:32 <fonkay> yes... but taking away his vote for maz means, that even if luci or wrtl changed back to maz at the last second, jon still goes.
00:32 <guru3> z-man: start a new thread for day 2 please
00:32 <z-man> why?
00:32 <guru3> it's rather difficult to go back to previous pages
00:32 <guru3> and to keep track of votes for a day long period
00:32 <guru3> should be easier if they're all in one place
00:32 <fonkay> maybe twg should get it's own subforum...
00:33 <guru3> i'm considering it already
00:33 <z-man> Just open the whole thread in a separate window, every page in a tab.
00:33 <z-man> Don't tell me you're using IE6 :)
00:33 <guru3> that doesn't make it easier to count votes
00:33 <z-man> Ah, keep a spreadsheet
00:33  * guru3 has been doing it on memory
00:33 <z-man> a 9x9 matrix where you mark current votes and cross out old votes.
00:33  * fonkay has be writing it on paper.
00:33 <z-man> That's what I tend to do.
00:33 <guru3> why do i feel stupid now
00:34 <z-man> yep. Paper is best.
00:34 <Flex> can i ask why are you guys playing this game?
00:34 <guru3> it was z-man's idea
00:34 <fonkay> no
00:34 <guru3> all hail z-man
00:34 <Flex> why not just turn tron on and join a server all together..
00:34 <Flex> i said guys
00:34 <fonkay> because i don't play tron
00:34 <Flex> ;)
00:34 <z-man> More paranoia and scheming if it goes over several days.
00:34 <guru3> i'm not even sure if we're schemeing
00:34 <guru3> only the worms could be really
00:35 <guru3> and so far it looks like they're acting independently
00:35 <fonkay> maybe we should take over the afl channel or something for this... so we don't get outsiders commenting.
00:35 <Flex> lol outsiders
00:35 <ct|kyle> outsiders where?
00:35 <z-man> yep, a new channel would be best.
00:35 <guru3> #themainframe
00:36 <Flex> nobody is scaring you're pretty game away, i was only asking
00:36 <z-man> or #armagetron-twg
00:36 <Flex> your^
00:36 <z-man> noob7 was making inapproprate game influencing comments yesterday.
00:36 <guru3> #armagetron-twg is boring :<
00:36 <Flex> z-man #arma.twg
00:37 <fonkay> and "worm" today
00:37 <guru3> #armatwgetron
00:37 <z-man> lol
00:37 <fonkay> nice
00:37 <Flex> #guru3usesie5
00:37 <guru3> ...
00:37 <Flex> or 6
00:37 <fonkay> i repeat... we need a channel
00:37 <guru3> yeah, sort of
00:38 <fonkay> or I could just start muting everyone who annoys me.. that works too.
00:38 <z-man> #armatwgtron gets my vote
00:38 <fonkay> mine too
00:38 <madmax> don't forget the 'e'
00:38 <guru3> yeah
00:38 <guru3> we need a channel key
00:38 <guru3> to keep out non-players
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00:41 <z-man> arg, guru3 set a key
00:42 <fonkay> yes
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00:55 <luke-jr> man, 2 of the worms are just so obvious
00:55  * luke-jr stfu ☺
01:24 <Monkey_arma> hey you shouldnt keep out non-players..dont you want others to see the game and then  play in the next one? you fools...
01:24 <Monkey_arma> just kick people who say "too much"
01:25 <Monkey_arma> er like guru did to me ...er....
01:25 <Monkey_arma> :|
01:26 <Monkey_arma> no it was not for ruining the game....
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01:27 <madmax> or you can +m the channel and +v the ones who are playing
01:27 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
01:27 <fonkay> good timing mom :P
01:27 <Monkey_arma> i guess that means allow voice to players but mute non-players?
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> what I miss?
01:28 <Monkey_arma> lots .......youve been lynched
01:28 <Monkey_arma> j/k
01:28 <fonkay> the cycle end for one.
01:29 <madmax> Your_mom_arma: suggestions about creating a channel for the game
01:29 <madmax> yes Monkey_arma
01:29 <Monkey_arma> ... :)
01:29 <Your_mom_arma> oh
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01:37 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
01:37 <Lucifer_pen> yay, now there's 3 of me here
01:38 <fonkay> yay?
01:40 <Lackadaisical> i shouldve changed my vote for tank so we'd have a three way tie :(
01:41 <Your_mom_arma> and then leave it to chance?
01:41 <fonkay> or a tiebreaker.
01:41 <Lackadaisical> no everyone needs to vote again
01:41 <Your_mom_arma> tiebreakers are decided randomly I thought
01:42 <Lackadaisical> but only for one of those three people
01:42 <Lackadaisical> wouldve been interesting
01:47 <z-man> ties are broken randomly only in certain situations.
01:47 <z-man> For example, if the number of players is even, and half of them wants to lynch A, the other B.
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01:48 <Lucifer_pen> we should be lynching wrtpwned
01:49 <z-man> Well, you need to wait for the new "day".
01:49 <fonkay> no killing yet?
01:50 <z-man> Someone has been ignoring his PMs so far.
01:51 <fonkay> booo
01:54  * z-man is about to go to bed, not much time left.
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02:13 <Durka> Lucifer I know it's you!!!
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02:18 <z-man> New day has started, guru3 is dead.
02:19 <Durka> z-man HOW COULD YOU!!! :(
02:19 <z-man> It wasn't me, it was the worms :/
02:20 <Durka> z-man: don't give away my identity :(
02:20 <z-man> hmm?
02:20 <Durka> jk :P
02:21 <Your_mom_arma> he's saying he's a worm
02:21 <z-man> anyway, bedtime. happy lynching.
02:22 <Durka> z-man: one quick question!1
02:22 <Durka> does this mean that every cycle 2 people are gone?
02:23 <Your_mom_arma> no, the firewall can save the nightkill
02:24 <Lackadaisical> and the vigilante can kill an extra one, or is there no vigilante in this game?
02:24 <Your_mom_arma> the vigilante kill replaces the lynching
02:25 <Your_mom_arma> I think
02:25 <fonkay> yes
02:25 <Lackadaisical> mmm ok
02:25 <fonkay> but the "kill" program can only kill one person in the whole game.
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02:32 <pippijn> z-man: you there?
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02:40 <pippijn> :-|
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02:44 <pippijn> z-man-work: you there?
02:44 <pippijn> hm, doesn't seem to be
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04:57 <luke-jr> z-man-work: awesome narration btw
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05:23 <luke-jr> http://documents.iss.net/whitepapers/IBM_X-Force_WP_final.pdf
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08:19 <Lucifer> I'm willing to bet now that the two worms are your_mom and lackadaisical
08:22 <wrtlprnft> you change your opinion quite often
08:26 <Lucifer> yeah
08:26 <Lucifer> well, see, I made this spreadsheet
08:26 <Lucifer> you want it?
08:26 <Lucifer> it tracks vote changes, and keeps a current tally
08:26 <wrtlprnft> sure
08:26 <Lucifer> and makes it easy to check arbitrary time periods
08:26  * Lucifer wonders briefly if he can still do ctcp
08:27 <wrtlprnft> argh, better don't try
08:27 <Lucifer> awww
08:27 <Lucifer> I'll pm it to you on the forums, then
08:28 <wrtlprnft> nvm, i got it
08:28 <wrtlprnft> wow
08:28 <wrtlprnft> that's the first time that worked
08:29 <wrtlprnft> now, where did irssi save it? :o
08:30 <epsy> ~ ?
08:30 <Lucifer> epsy drinks coke, he doesn't like pepsi
08:30 <epsy> :)
08:30 <Lucifer> he's got narcolepsy
08:30 <epsy> :(
08:31 <Lucifer> I'm out of words that rhyme with epsy
08:32 <epsy> alright, cya
08:32 <epsy> have a good day
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08:32 <Lucifer> I found a worm!  It's in epsy's quit message!
08:33 <wrtlprnft> lych it!
08:33 <wrtlprnft> and my avatar, too, it got infected
08:35 <Lucifer> so yeah, right before lackadaisical spoke up, maz had 6 votes
08:35 <Lucifer> if maz and lack are both worms, then lack's post makes perfect sense
08:35 <Lucifer> does it make sense also if lack and maz are not worms?
08:36 <Lucifer> lack's post is clear in the spreadsheet because you changed your vote right after it
08:37 <Lucifer> it doesn't make sense for you and durka to be both worms if you're not voting together, to some extent
08:37 <Lucifer> could be a misdirection effort, though.  voting separately and somewhat disagreeing with each other could draw attention from you guys
08:39 <wrtlprnft> could be anything
08:39 <wrtlprnft> the same as your actions
08:39 <Lucifer> :)
08:40 <Lucifer> well, right now we're united against lack.  If I'm a worm, then I'm either taking a gamble with my worm friend's life, or lack isn't a worm.
08:40 <Lucifer> and with that, I think I should shut up, since we just wind up in circles.  Better to wait for lack's response to this attack
08:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
08:42 <Lucifer> but yeah, you're right, if we hang the wrong person tonight, even the firewall can't save us
08:43 <wrtlprnft> if there's three worms
08:43 <Lucifer> right
08:43 <wrtlprnft> might be just two
08:43 <Lucifer> if there's two, we have one more night exactly, and then we have to hang the right person *and* have the firewall save us
08:44 <wrtlprnft> x_X
08:48 <wrtlprnft> on the bright side, if there were just two worms and we killed the right one by pure luck the remaining one is pretty much doomed
09:05 <guru3> so i'm hearing that i died then? :<
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09:13 <wrtlprnft> R.I.P
09:13 <guru3> the irony is killing me
09:14 <guru3> when this game is over
09:14 <guru3> someone better explain why i died
09:15 <wrtlprnft> ask the wolves
09:15 <guru3> i will when the game is over
09:15 <guru3> in the meantime i will just be bitter
09:16 <wrtlprnft> be happy you escaped the madness.
09:16 <guru3> i wanted to keep on playing though :<
09:19 <guru3> and we just hit 0x666 views on TWG thread
09:20 <Flex> haha
09:20 <Flex> rip :(
09:21 <guru3> thnx
09:29 <wrtlprnft> TWG is probably the longest thread that stayed on topic in the history of these forums
09:29 <guru3> there was once one about barbacuing a whale
09:29 <guru3> i think
09:30 <z-man> Nah, the authentication thread from hell was longer.
09:30 <wrtlprnft> well, just one day has passed
09:30 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3288
09:31 <wrtlprnft> that one's quite promising
09:31 <wrtlprnft> by the way, page number 13 isn't very hexadecimal
09:31 <guru3> i'm not rewriting all of phpbb to use hex
09:32 <wrtlprnft> x_X
09:32 <guru3> i just changed some of the commonly used outputs
09:32 <wrtlprnft> run the generated html through a program that takes anything that looks decimal and turns it into a hex number ;-P
09:33 <wrtlprnft> including numbers in posts
09:33 <guru3> that sounds like work :o
09:33 <wrtlprnft> today's the 0x11.0x4.0x7d
09:34 <wrtlprnft> *0x11.0x4.0x7d8
09:35 <Flex> urm.. i've lost my menu on xchat.. :((
09:35 <Flex> how do i bring it back!!
09:37 <guru3> voodoo magicz
09:41 <Flex> oh found it
09:42 <guru3> the chicken you need to behead?
09:42 <Flex> it was /GUI MENU SHOW
09:43 <guru3> well i'm off to school now
09:43 <Flex> gn
09:43 <Flex> :D
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12:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: err, how do i join #armatwgetron?
12:59  * z-man-work would like to know that, too.
13:00 <z-man-work> fonkay: ?
13:00 <z-man-work> guru3: ?
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13:23 <fonkay> fonkay
13:27 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: my logs are made by my client
13:27 <z-man-work> ah.
13:28 <wrtlprnft> so from now on there will be logs. I'll publish them if you like
13:28 <z-man-work> Well, I'm leaning towards logs not counting as official evidence.
13:28 <z-man-work> The reason being that IRC logs are a pain to read in general.
13:30 <wrtlprnft> it's mostly for reading stuff you missed on if you really care I guess
13:33 <fonkay> people like lack
13:33 <z-man-work> Yeah, so go ahead, publish them.
13:53 <guru3> ah right
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14:06 <dsop> z-man-work: did you get the patch?
14:06 <z-man-work> Dunno, I just changed the line myself.
14:06 <pippijn> z-man-work: can you help me with a c++ issue?
14:06 <z-man-work> On 0.2.8.
14:07 <z-man-work> pippijn: I can try.
14:07 <pippijn> okay
14:09 <pippijn> I have a template class that holds a variable of one of N different types
14:09 <pippijn> like a union
14:09 <pippijn> but it knows at runtime what it currently holds and this may change
14:10 <pippijn> clear so far?
14:10 <z-man-work> Ah, yes, I know these things.
14:10 <pippijn> I implemented it with a type list
14:11 <pippijn> now I want to compare the value in this class to any other type
14:11 <pippijn> to make it easy, I want to compare it to a long signed int
14:11 <z-man-work> Ah.
14:11 <pippijn> in the type, I have (for example) long, const char*, double
14:11 <z-man-work> Integer conversion make this tricky, I'd guess.
14:12 <pippijn> I have a visitor class that does the comparison
14:12  * z-man-work fetches coffee, do go on
14:12 <pippijn> but using operator== will fail on const char*
14:13 <pippijn> it would be possible to provide one predicate for every possible type comparison
14:13 <pippijn> but I want to have one template function that does ==-comparison for supported types
14:14 <pippijn> I know how to achieve this, but it's a bit ugly.. I need a lot of helper templates for it
14:14 <pippijn> I use SFINAE for it
14:16 <z-man-work> Yeah, I guess that's your only option.
14:17 <pippijn> any ideas on how to implement a template is_one_of<T, T1, T2, T3, T4>?
14:17 <z-man-work> Taking a typelist of arbitrary length?
14:17 <pippijn> not necessarily
14:18 <pippijn> it would be nice but impossible with c++03
14:19 <z-man-work> Well, first, I'd define template<class T1, class T2> types_equal
14:19 <pippijn> I have that
14:19 <z-man-work> (using specialization)
14:19 <z-man-work> and then just OR them?
14:21 <pippijn> okay
14:21 <pippijn> that's how I would have done it
14:21 <pippijn> I thought.. maybe you have a cleaner solution
14:22 <z-man-work> You mean, one that uses more convoluted template tricks? :)
14:22 <pippijn> one that is less typing
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14:22 <z-man-work> Well, I'd use typelists and recursion, probably.
14:22 <pippijn> right
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14:39 <guru3> back to  uni :<
14:40 <hoax-> at least u got it cheap up there ;)
14:44 <epsy> noob7_away, noob13: nice score man! http://ds.experimentalworks.net/board/download/file.php?id=42
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15:30 <pippijn> z-man-work: how do I find out at compile time whether two types are equality-comparable?
15:30 <z-man-work> There's no way to do that, as far as I know.
15:31 <pippijn> hrm
15:31 <pippijn> that's shitty
15:31 <z-man-work> You can get close by testing whether one type converts to the other.
15:31 <pippijn>       template<typename Lhs>
15:31 <pippijn>       typename meta::type_if<void, meta::is_one_of<Lhs (std::string, const char *, char *)>::value
15:31 <pippijn>                                 && meta::is_same<Lhs, std::string>::value>::type
15:31 <pippijn> z-man-work: that's only for std::string, though :-\
15:31  * pippijn can't wait for c++0x concepts
15:31 <pippijn> so I can simply demand equality comparable
15:32 <pippijn> it would have been nice if all stdlib types that are equality comparable were derived from template<typename T> struct equality_comparable
15:32 <pippijn> or so
15:33 <z-man-work> Yea. I'd test for convertibility in both direction. If that's only possible in one direction, compare after actually converting one of the types.
15:34 <z-man-work> If conversion in both direction was possible, convert the smaller to the larger type.
15:34 <z-man-work> dunno what to do with signed int vs unsigned int, there's no good way to compare those.
15:34 <pippijn> they are convertible
15:36 <z-man-work> yes, but of equal size, and conversion loss can happen in both directions. So which way do you compare?
15:37 <pippijn> hmm
15:38 <z-man-work> Of course, you can write special code and transform them to the next bigger integer type :)
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15:41 <pippijn> torres: << cxa_demangle ("A6_c")
15:41 <torres> char [6]
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15:52 <pippijn> z-man-work: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/d528d60da5b1d450e8abdd8a4ca2e3ae.txt
15:55 <z-man-work> nice.
15:55 <pippijn> not really..
15:56 <pippijn> but it works
16:00 <pippijn> z-man-work: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/004d102afbde2fa61b782721146dc79f.txt <- more generic
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16:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: Apr 17 15:31:39 FindCurrentFace() is running, so this message probably means there is a BUG: [0] SpEeD got 1 points for a sacrifice for the good of the team.
16:39 <z-man-work> version?
16:39 <wrtlprnft> Revision: 8406
16:40 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8
16:40 <z-man-work> rats.
16:41 <wrtlprnft> sorry, still no recording available
16:41 <z-man-work> I thought r8397 fixed that bug.
16:41 <z-man-work> It may not be a bug at all, of course.
16:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah, just thought i'd tell you
16:42 <z-man-work> But the instance I obseved on bugfarm was me and some other guy driving peacefully in parallel, then I suddenly died.
16:42 <z-man-work> Was the resulting kill unusual?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> no clue
16:42 <wrtlprnft> i wasn't online
16:42 <z-man-work> (like, did aSpEeD complain)
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16:42 <wrtlprnft> noob13 was
16:42 <wrtlprnft> Apr 17 15:31:41 [1] SpEeD: ?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> no clue if that's a complaint
16:43 <wrtlprnft> but speed didn't die
16:43 <wrtlprnft> Apr 17 15:31:44 [0] SpEeD core dumped noob13 for 2 points.
16:43 <z-man-work> Ah right.
16:43 <z-man-work> Well, then there probably wasn't a real bug.
16:43 <wrtlprnft> actually it must be a bug
16:43 <wrtlprnft> there were only two players
16:43 <wrtlprnft> and it's fortress
16:44 <z-man-work> Oh
16:44 <wrtlprnft> and sorry for that, speed did die
16:44 <z-man-work> then he probably drove throug his own hole :)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
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16:45 <z-man-work> Post mortem, of course.
16:45 <wrtlprnft> http://pastebin.ca/988365
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16:46 <z-man-work> That's a blank page?
16:46 <wrtlprnft> err, try again
16:46 <wrtlprnft> the pastebin is somewhat screwy right now
16:47 <z-man-work> Yeah, looks like SpEeD drove through his own hole.
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16:47 <z-man-work> I mean, what other point source could there be?
16:48 <wrtlprnft> ah, wait a second
16:48 <wrtlprnft> ladderlog :D
16:49 <wrtlprnft> SACRIFICE speed speed noob13
16:49 <wrtlprnft> there we go
16:49 <z-man-work> Yep.
16:50 <z-man-work> I'll add alive checks and self-holing checks.
16:51 <wrtlprnft> ok, thanks
16:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8409 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed bug where a dead cylce would move passively through the hole created by its own explosion and award the hole score to its player.
16:55 <luke-jr> lol
17:00 <z-man-work> Well, we're committed to fix those odd once-in-a-lifetime bugs :)
17:01 <pippijn> z-man-work: how do I find the nearest conversion for a certain type to a set of other types?
17:01 <z-man-work> I don't think it's possible.
17:02 <z-man-work> The best I could come up with would be a two stage process:
17:02 <z-man-work> first, you look for an exact match.
17:02 <z-man-work> next, you look vor any conversion.
17:03 <pippijn> hm
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17:04 <pippijn> nearest_conversion<int (double, long, std::string)>::type
17:04 <pippijn> z-man-work: there is no exact match
17:04 <pippijn> but long is the best one
17:08 <z-man-work> C++ was not really designed with these N*M pairing things in mind.
17:08 <pippijn> I've got quite far already
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17:11 <pippijn> I'll just hack something up
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17:17 <pippijn> z-man-work: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/9c1c4a182fd93be7855ee467816a60cd.txt
17:17 <pippijn> SFINAE is great :-)
17:18 <wrtlprnft> best conversion: insert it into a stringstream and extract it again
17:20 <z-man-work> heh :)
17:21 <wrtlprnft> that's essentially what the cockpit system does to display any configuration value
17:21 <wrtlprnft> per frame :-(
17:27 <z-man-work> wha? really?
17:31 <wrtlprnft> couldn't find a better way without modifying the config system too much
17:41 <z-man-work> So it's my fault again? ;)
17:41 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: that's actually the worst conversion
17:42 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: and I do use it
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17:52 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: dunno. there's just so many different config item classes
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18:50 <Flex> monkeh
18:51 <Monkey_arma> flexus
18:51 <Monkey_arma> guess what happended  today all
18:51 <Flex> you bought something you didn't want? :D
18:52 <Monkey_arma> someone send a birthday card to my address by mistake and it had ?10 in it !
18:52 <Monkey_arma> wahoo
18:52 <Flex> haha
18:54 <Lucifer> so you stole someone's birthday present?
18:55 <Monkey_arma> wrong
18:55 <Monkey_arma> i was given it by mistake by someone who cant get someone else's address correct
18:55 <Lucifer> had your name on it?
18:55 <Monkey_arma> finally stupid people have a purpose
18:55 <Monkey_arma> no it had someone else's name on it
18:55 <Lucifer> then you stole it
18:55 <Monkey_arma> wrong
18:56 <Lucifer> because you can always return to sender at no cost to you
18:56 <Monkey_arma> how?
18:56 <Monkey_arma> it has no return address
18:56 <Monkey_arma> its just a card with first names on it
18:56 <Lucifer> by writing "return to sender" on the envelope and putting it in the outbox
18:56 <Monkey_arma> you fool they wont know where it came from
18:56 <Lucifer> heh
18:56 <Flex> if there's no claimer.. it's not considered stealing
18:56 <Lucifer> you opened a card with money in it that had no return address and was sent to the wrong address?
18:56 <Monkey_arma> all it has is "happy bday from bob etc"
18:57 <Monkey_arma> Lucifer, correct
18:57 <Lucifer> well, if there was no return address, then fine, you didn't steal somebody's birthday present
18:57  * Monkey_arma is a lucker today
18:57 <Monkey_arma> correct Lucifer
18:57 <Lucifer> but I wouldn't have opened a card with no return address on it, I'm just paranoid like that
18:57 <noob7> Oo
18:57 <Monkey_arma> you've been playing to much of this crazy werewolf game
18:57 <Monkey_arma> its affecting all of u
18:58 <Lucifer> no it's not!
18:58 <Lucifer> clearly Monkey_arma (hi there!) is a worm and we take him out asap
18:58 <Flex> you live in america.. what you expect
18:58 <Flex> rest of the world lives in peace :D
18:58 <Monkey_arma> oO
18:58 <Lucifer> this is the land of the unabomber
18:58 <Flex> that was clearly the gov
18:59 <Flex> so was jfk :p
18:59  * Flex hides
19:00 <Lucifer> i'm blaming mi6
19:00 <Lucifer> we need to take them down
19:00 <Monkey_arma> Lucifer, how many birthday cards in america have a return address on? i would suspect none...
19:00 <noob7> after 9/11? are you kidding?
19:00 <Lucifer> I don't know that I'e ever seen one without a return address on it
19:01 <noob7> you have to write your SSN on the card 3 times
19:01 <Lucifer> especially if there's money in it :)
19:01 <Monkey_arma> Lucifer, it most be america then..in europe people dont do that
19:01 <Lucifer> if it goes to the wrong place, you'd hope the other person sends it back so you can try to get it right
19:01 <Monkey_arma> if any americans in here want to disagree with Lucifer now is the time
19:01 <Lucifer> well, in america we're taught not to open mail from people who are too chickenshit to identify themselves
19:01 <noob7> because you'd get sued otherwise
19:01 <noob7> :o
19:02 <Monkey_arma> its good to see you are taught something there at least
19:02 <Monkey_arma> 1 in 3 cant find USA on a world map
19:02 <Flex> america is seriously fucked
19:02  * Monkey_arma agrees
19:02 <noob7> this discussion, me likes
19:02 <Monkey_arma> britain has gone that way though too
19:02 <noob7> from postcard to fucking america in 10 lines
19:02 <noob7> wtg
19:03 <Flex> back to cholcolate cake in 1
19:03 <noob7> yay!
19:03 <Lucifer> yeah, this channel's full of people who hate americans
19:03 <Lucifer> that's modern enlightened european thought
19:03 <Lucifer> "Oh, we don't hate jews anymore, now we hate americans"
19:03 <Flex> i don't hate americans
19:03 <Flex> we hate america.. :D
19:04 <Monkey_arma> hehe
19:04 <noob7> you cant compare a religous group (some might say race) to a country
19:04 <Lucifer> you can when you're talking about america
19:04 <Lucifer> :)
19:05 <Flex> america to most "american haters" are fox channel and mcdonalds... and oh the bush family?
19:05 <Monkey_arma> just out of interest here Lucifer, if you got a bday card with no return address and some money in it (not that you'd know because you wouldn't have opened it) and no one came to collect it within weeks, what would you do with it?
19:05 <Lucifer> you guys just try to remember that we got our megalomania from Britain and other european traditions
19:05 <Monkey_arma> the problem with americans is that they come from british origins...agreed
19:05 <Flex> he's take the cash
19:05 <Flex> 100%
19:05 <Lucifer> Monkey_arma: I'd have thrown it away.  Birthday cards are personal and private, and I don't look at them if they're not for me, in general
19:06 <noob7> but destryong money is a federal offense!
19:06 <Monkey_arma> correct nice one noob7 !
19:06 <Lucifer> heh
19:06  * Lucifer wonders when he's been that worried about laws
19:06 <epsy> it's the fucking nicest way to get to prison
19:07 <Flex> smoking weed is the nicest way
19:07 <Lucifer> except that chances are there's no money in the card anyway
19:07 <Monkey_arma> wrong
19:07 <Monkey_arma> its a bday card...maybe you amercans dont give money....
19:07 <Lucifer> he's assuming there's money in the card, but he's limiting his question to "cards without return addresses that have money in them"
19:07 <Lucifer> but that's just a member of the group "cards without return addresses"
19:08 <Monkey_arma> if you open the card you might be able to find out who to give it back to
19:08 <Flex> ok you're quite sure the mail has money in it.. because it's clearly the same of cash
19:08 <Lucifer> we typically only give money to grandchildren, apparently.  All other gifts of money are considered shallow
19:08 <Flex> you're telling us you wont take the money?
19:08 <Monkey_arma> americans shallow .....perish the thought
19:08 <Lucifer> no, I'm saying I wouldn't open the card to find out if there's money in it, I'd toss it
19:08 <Flex> but you're sure it has money in it
19:08 <Monkey_arma> i opened the card to see who it was from
19:08 <Monkey_arma> just in case
19:09 <Lucifer> how can I be sure it has money in it without openin it?
19:09 <Monkey_arma> then i saw the cash
19:09 <Lucifer> who is so dumb that they put the money in a card where just anybody could see it's in there?
19:09 <Flex> it's in a money shape and it sounds and feels like some amount of cash
19:09 <Monkey_arma> how can u be sure it doesnt have money in it without opening it...
19:09 <Lucifer> that's the quickest way to get a mailman to rip you off
19:09 <Monkey_arma> lucifer in europe cards are made from...erm ....card
19:09 <Monkey_arma> so you cant see through them
19:09 <Lucifer> right, and you stick the money inside the card so that it's undetectable
19:09 <Monkey_arma> correct
19:10 <Monkey_arma> i opened it first to see who it was from...
19:10 <Flex> ha
19:10 <Lucifer> and if some large amount of cards are guaranteed to have money, then your odds of getting money by stealing cards go up quite a bit
19:10 <Monkey_arma> the money was just a lucky bonus
19:10 <Monkey_arma> oO
19:10  * Monkey_arma changes profession to mailmann
19:10 <Monkey_arma> -n
19:10 <Lucifer> which would indicate that it would be worthwhile to steal birthday cards in the mail
19:11 <Flex> ever heard of the mail robbery
19:11 <Flex> or something
19:11 <Flex> they stole quite alot
19:11 <Lucifer> in the US, afaik (it has been my experience, anyway), most cards don't have money in them, so you'd have to steal a bunch of them to get a small amount
19:11 <Flex> just by robbering the royla mail
19:11 <Monkey_arma> only some have money in
19:11 <Lucifer> robbing from aristocrats may be illegal, but it is not immoral
19:11 <noob7> but lots of cards have gift-cards in them right?
19:11 <Lucifer> the ones with giftcards can be picked out, I think
19:12 <Monkey_arma> some...some cards contain gift vouchers or money and others dont
19:12 <noob7> you'd feel that plastic card inside and got a winner
19:12 <Lucifer> just bend the envelope.  If there's a gift card, it'll try to force the bend to be straight
19:12 <Lucifer> but what if it's a gift card to bath and body?
19:12 <Lucifer> ebay that?
19:12 <noob7> then buy soap and give it away as a birthday present
19:12 <Monkey_arma> take it to shop for a refund
19:12 <noob7> I mostly use my giftcards to buy presents for others
19:13 <Lucifer> hmmm, not me, but that's because I'v eonly been getting barnes and noble gift cards for a few years, so I use them to buy textbooks
19:13 <epsy> to buy a giftcard to offer to someone else?
19:13 <Lucifer> (college bookstore is owned by b&n)
19:14 <Lucifer> hmmm, a man walking into Bath and Body and saying "Someone gave me this gift card for my birthday" looks damn suspicious
19:14 <Lucifer> unless you're really obviously gay or something
19:15 <noob7> I can pass as gay easily
19:15 <Flex> men don't buy soap?
19:15 <Flex> what's wrong with that
19:15 <Flex> don't have to be gay or anything :p
19:15 <epsy> i wonder what would say someone when buying 2 giftcards paying with another
19:16 <noob7> I gorgot which store it was at, but while staying in the US two friends of mine used to buy giftcards with giftcardds to get 5 bucks or so extra (as a bonus when buying the card) until theys closed that loophole
19:16 <noob7> I think it was best buy? could be wrong...
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19:32 <Flex> wb
19:32 <Flex> wanna play?
19:32 <Flex> hello kitty island adventure
19:33 <Monkey_arma> yes i will play
19:33 <Monkey_arma> and kitty who wtf?
19:35 <Flex> hello kitty island adventure..
19:35 <Flex> me and hoax play it
19:36 <hoax> yeah u in monk?
19:36 <Monkey_arma> oO
19:36 <Monkey_arma> no im not in this an auto reply bot with awesome AI
19:37 <noob7> #sd kitty
19:37 <armabot> noob7: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “kitty” at the moment, sorry.
19:37 <noob7> :(
19:37 <Flex> perfect name for a server :D
19:41 <Monkey_arma> so where is this kitty?
19:41 <Flex> let's try nexus9 for abit
19:41 <Monkey_arma> im cooking now
19:42 <Monkey_arma> maybe ctf in a bit :)
19:43 <Monkey_arma> i want a decent fort match...cant we organise one for tonight...6v6 or 7v7...
19:43 <Monkey_arma> DECENT tho
19:43 <Flex> there's meant to be a game with dsvx
19:44 <epsy> Monkey_arma, can you /join #arma.xclan please?
19:44 <Monkey_arma> sure
19:51 <noob7> whoever is responsible for the "ignore feature" - thanks a ton
19:52 <wrtlprnft_opera> probably z-man.
19:56 <noob7> I never thought that there could a crowd worse than DDL, but Nexus tops everything
19:57 <Monkey_arma> it depends who is on
19:57 <pippijn> z-man-work: I'm almost done
20:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: wow, i just noticed how unintuitive lp is to me :-(
20:11 <wrtlprnft> this is the first time i've seen the list of related bugs at the bottom of pages like https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
20:18 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/4e1c0e9aa222dc363dfd28bfd2a7670f.txt
20:18 <pippijn> how can I reduce code duplication in that?
20:18 <pippijn> I guess I can't
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20:28 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: probably not
20:29 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: I'll do it with auto-generation
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20:30 <Flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj04vut0lA8
20:30 <Flex> 3:00 +
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20:33 <Monkey_arma> grr
20:34 <hoax> eat!
20:36 <Monkey_arma> eat what?
20:36 <Monkey_arma> take a minigun to debian xorg more like
20:37 <hoax> <Monkey_arma> grr  eat!<hoax>
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20:39 <Monkey_arma> oO
20:41 <epsy> Monkey_arma, go rape debian?
20:48 <Monkey_arma> agreed
20:51 <Flex> Monkey_arma, come cafe
20:51 <Flex> quick
20:52 <Monkey_arma> er..ok?
20:53 <Monkey_arma> #tea
20:53 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): Badzilla, Izual, onetwo=3, Raiden, RoterBaron, ¦×¦ Flex, ¦×¦ Hoax
20:54 <Flex> nm
20:54 <Flex> sorted now
20:55 <Monkey_arma> oh great take me out the most awesome game of ctf since...the last one
20:55 <Monkey_arma> actually its pants
20:56 <pippijn> z-man-work:
20:56 <pippijn>   s = &std::cout;
20:56 <pippijn>   std::ostream *out = s;
20:56 <pippijn>   *out << "Hello world\n";
20:56 <pippijn> z-man-work: with scalar s
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21:01 <pippijn> z-man-work: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/7807e06e74938b5c13c9871d12890969.txt
21:01 <pippijn> z-man-work: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/05341f1af1aa0cc4cb2c25a012e56fea.txt <- this is the output
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21:20 <guru3> "Surely the worms are deciding on their strategy together."
21:20 <guru3> nothing supports that statement
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21:29 <pippijn> zmanuel
21:29 <pippijn> did you see the scalar?
21:47 <wrtlprnft> guru3: i think the best worms are the worms who don't know who they are during the day
21:47 <pippijn> zmanuel: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/scalar.h.txt
21:48 <wrtlprnft> the general odds with random lynching are definitely in favor of the wolves
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21:59 <pippijn> good night
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22:39 <noob13> wb.
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23:17 <luke-jr> #last --from cusco
23:18 <armabot> luke-jr: [04:22:53] <cusco> to open a query
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23:55 <madmax> #tea
23:55 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): AA, Blackbird (Hay-Lin@forums), crayzian, CTxGonzap, madmax (madmax@forums), noob13, O--->, unclepunkle, |x| Sticky
23:56 <Monkey_arma> ah looks good
23:57 <akira_> o
23:57 <Monkey_arma> hi akira_ long time no c
23:57  * akira_ throws his stupid mates enforcing wlan on him into a shredder
23:57 <akira_> cant play tron :(
23:57 <akira_> wlan spikes
23:57 <Monkey_arma> wlan sucks ass
23:57 <akira_> indeed
23:57 <Monkey_arma> all wireless suck
23:57 <akira_> indeed
23:58 <akira_> tell me sth. new!
23:58 <akira_> :(
23:58 <Monkey_arma> we actually tested wired v wireless keyboards
23:58  * akira_ weeps
23:58 <Monkey_arma> and found that in tron it makes a difference, which was confirmed in #wireless
23:58 <akira_> yea tron is so sensitive
23:59 <luke-jr> wow
23:59 <luke-jr> I didn't realize wireless *keyboards* were bad
23:59 <Flex> they confirmed shit
23:59 <Monkey_arma> oh yeah
23:59 <Monkey_arma> they said it as fact
23:59 <Flex> i confirmed it :D
23:59 <madmax> Monkey_arma: you just didn't grind
23:59 <Monkey_arma> hah
23:59 <Flex> we already know wireless keyboards are worse then wired ones in gaming

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