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Log from 2008-03-27:
--- Day changed Thu Mar 27 2008
00:00 <flex> really?
00:00 <flex> are you being serious?
00:00 <Monkey_arma> rofl
00:01 <flex> you actually got a working keyboard after you washed it..
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00:03 <pablo> ::D:D:D
00:03 <pablo> you rock ;P
00:06 <hoax> I've never done it..but it can be done you know ;P
00:06 <hoax> might have to be an oldish keyboard though
00:07 <flex> you first
00:07 <hoax> i wouldnt go shoving my logitech g8w578q8 in there
00:07 <hoax> #tea
00:07 <armabot> hoax: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): .:] CuRbSidE, Ady-Lucifer, backinbizz, CT_emmy, dIsOrIeNtEd, hoop, I/O Bus, madmax, metaz, PhysiX, ~*Noto*~
00:08 <flex> in the specs of wireless keyboards & mouses.. why the fuck don't they include connection speed
00:08 <flex> or whatever
00:08 <Monkey_arma> you can find out on the net from the bluetooth specs
00:09 <Monkey_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth
00:09 <Monkey_arma> its near the beginning
00:11 <flex> yeah but we want throughput
00:12 <flex> actually it's same thing.. sorry
00:14 <flex> maybe the fact that they don't display speed is because it's pretty much the same speed as wired..
00:14 <pablo> I HATE THIS GAME :p
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00:15 <Monkey_arma> hmm i reckon its not the speed flex but the lag
00:15 <Monkey_arma> like we get lag playing over internet maybe there is input lag for wireless
00:16 <epsy> probably
00:16 <epsy> you know, i had my bluetooth headphones,
00:16 <epsy> wanted to use my PC for streaming music to it
00:16 <epsy> result: the media player was eating my cpu at 100%
00:16 <flex> bad drivers
00:17 <Monkey_arma> sound can cause problems with performance unfortunatelly
00:17 <epsy> plus my bluetooth randomly stops working
00:17 <epsy> i can do an inquiry, and even a scan
00:17 <epsy> but i can't do anything else
00:17 <flex> bad drivers probably
00:17 <epsy> everything else times out
00:18 <epsy> and the only workaround i found was to ... reboot..
00:18  * luke-jr double clicks his icon, "Reboot!"
00:19 <epsy> luke-jr, this would mean i have to close every of the 30 open windows
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00:23 <flex> the fucking annoying thing is, people mixing up delay speeds and the actual "lag" with the speed
00:23 <flex> so you can't find good dicussions/references..
00:24 <Monkey_arma> flex, join #wireless :)
00:24 <epsy> the lag is the difference of time between something is percieved at point A and at point B
00:24 <epsy> now what are "delay speeds"
00:25 <Monkey_arma> there are different lags
00:25 <Monkey_arma> i spose delay is one and time to get from a to b is another
00:26 <flex> speaking keyboards.. delay speed is where the keyboard "waits" before excuting the next key
00:26 <epsy> right
00:26 <Monkey_arma> its like with LCD monitors..they have at least 2 types of lag
00:26 <epsy> Monkey_arma, point a being a kb and point b being the screen, point a being a client and point b being a server, etc
00:27 <Monkey_arma> even just for hardware there are 2
00:28 <flex> "repeat delay" i think is the culprit.. (other then the actual physical speed)
00:33 <flex> Monkey_arma, go ahead and ask
00:33 <Monkey_arma> heh er...
00:33 <Monkey_arma> flex join too  then
00:33 <flex> i have
00:33 <Monkey_arma> and epsy
00:33 <flex> go
00:34 <Monkey_arma> how do we  word it?
00:34 <flex> is there a difference with wired and wireless keyboards in terms of speed
00:34 <flex> i think
00:35 <flex> that's pretty much what we want to know right :p
00:38 <flex> haha omg monkey
00:38 <flex> did you have to go into detail!
00:38 <Monkey_arma> yes ..its says "we like detail"
00:39 <flex> that's not what they mean by that lol
00:39 <Monkey_arma> oO isnt it?
00:40 <flex> i guess they were meaning specifics, rather then "us dudes play this game right"
00:40 <Monkey_arma> lmao
00:40 <Monkey_arma> i did give enough info too
00:40 <Monkey_arma> :\
00:41 <epsy> alright, good night
00:41 <Monkey_arma> cu epsy
00:41 <flex> gn
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00:52 <pablo> im also going to bed
00:52 <pablo> this games eats too much time :p
00:53 <pablo> bye
00:53 <pablo> ;]
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00:53 <hoax> he'll be back :D
01:02 <Monkey_arma> yup
01:16 <Monkey_arma> well that confirms it..the guys in #wireless say that wireless sucks for gaming
01:17 <flex> haha
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01:21 <luke-jr> z-man: any way to make spam protection give a warning before actually chat-banning?
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01:27 <Ttech> lol
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03:23 <Stewie-arma> wtf?
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11:42 <MrBougo> test
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17:25 <eddiefantastic> epsy: I have put "Ed's fff server" online
17:25 <eddiefantastic> who shall I add as admin/mods? currently it is just you
17:29 <epsy> hm..
17:29 <epsy> eddiefantastic, i'ill organize the rosters then tell you, ok?
17:29 <eddiefantastic> sure
17:30 <eddiefantastic> within 24 hours ok? after that I can't guarantee I'll be around
17:30 <epsy> ok
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19:20 <epsy> http://fff.armagetron.co.uk/?c=3
19:22 <epsy> schedule is up!
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20:31 <epsy> dangit, got bugged in mah face X_x
20:35 <MrBougo> IN YAH FACE
20:35  * MrBougo goes back to the eternal silent stupid idling
20:35 <Stewie-arma> as you should
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21:39 <keit1> is this the right place to ask about arm~ad too?
21:40 <keit1> basically on a fresh install on gutsy it won't connect to the servers.
21:40 <keit1> i did exactly the same install on another machine on the same network and it ran like a dream
21:41 <epsy> yes
21:41 <epsy> we didn't move fro some reason i don't know :)
21:41 <keit1> on this machine it refuses to connect (as do some of the other games which worked on the other machine) - i can only presume it's a iptables issue, but, how can this be as I didn't edit the iptables on the other machine
21:42 <keit1> there you go... my  question is out there ;)
21:42 <epsy> keit1, when you say "it won't connect to the servers" you mean you can't access server list or you actually can't connect a server?
21:42 <keit1> please someone, put me out of my misery
21:42 <keit1> can't access server list
21:42 <keit1> say's it will use old server list then crashes
21:43 <keit1> its the version in the repos
21:43 <epsy> DEBUGLEVEL ?
21:43 <keit1> ?
21:43 <keit1> please explain ! ;)
21:44 <keit1> i installed armagetronad armagetronad-common & armagetronad-dedicated
21:44 <epsy> are you using 0.2.8 or trunk?
21:44 <keit1> 0.2.8
21:44 <keit1> Version: to be precise
21:44 <epsy> when you run it from a term, do you get any message?
21:44 <keit1> not tried.. shall i add -verbose or something?
21:45 <epsy> there's no -verbose arg :-P
21:45 <keit1> still getting my footing with linux
21:45 <keit1> fair
21:45 <keit1> i shall brb
21:46 <keit1> gets to "recieved 124 servers" then....
21:46 <epsy> then it just crashes?
21:47 <keit1> wtf? it just worked lol
21:47 <keit1> try again from icon 2 secs
21:47 <epsy> heh
21:48 <keit1> and that doesn't work
21:48 <keit1> ok now my head is about to pop
21:48 <epsy> you sure the icon is running the correct arma?
21:48 <keit1> how could it not?
21:48 <keit1> no other version installed
21:49 <epsy> well, it's worth checking
21:49 <keit1> now... terminal launch doen't work
21:49 <epsy> anything appears?
21:50 <keit1> nothing in terminal in way of info and it got as far as saying master server 3 couldn't connect etc...
21:50 <epsy> d'uh...
21:51 <keit1> now after typing this it's in... looks like it's taking a while to get in and failing on some servers?
21:51 <epsy> edit your ~/.armagetronad/master.srv
21:51 <keit1> is this the same for you?
21:51 <epsy> (copy it from the install dir if needed)
21:51 <keit1> what to?
21:51 <epsy> i regularly fail to connect to master 1 and 3
21:51 <epsy> <epsy> edit your ~/.armagetronad/master.srv
21:51 <keit1> what should i edit inside it?
21:51 <epsy>  ~/.armagetronad/var/master.srv *
21:52 <epsy> try to remove the buggy master server entries until you can connect each time
21:52 <keit1> ok
21:53 <keit1> gotta go, will be back if I need more help! but food is ready
21:53 <keit1> peace
21:53 <keit1> and thank you
21:53 <epsy> have a good meal
21:53 <epsy> yw
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22:30 <epsy> eddiefantastic, i'ill admin it myself
22:31 <epsy> now who will admin ¦×¦FFF ?? :) *cough* wrtlprnft *cough*
22:33  * epsy realizes he's highlighting the only people who are /away :þ
22:37 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8392 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gWinZone.cpp): epsy: how come we were missing ZONE_ALPHA_TOGGLE on trunk? :-)
22:38 <ct|kyle> epsy: port 4534  <<why is it not on master list (TALK_TO_MASTER is 1)
22:39 <epsy> ct|kyle, i don't own any master
22:39 <ct|kyle> i thought maybe you would know
22:39  * epsy sadly isn't a wizzard
22:40 <hoax> what? gtfo epsy
22:40 <ct|kyle> z-man is the only wixxard i know :D
22:40 <ct|kyle> Wizard*
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22:41 <epsy> Lucifer_bed is a bed wizzard
22:42 <ct|kyle> and wrtlprnft but... he escaped the kingdom
22:43 <Monkey_arma> Perhaps the random teams could do with a better name?
22:45 <Monkey_arma> still 13 is not bad going epsy
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