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Log from 2008-03-26:
--- Day changed Wed Mar 26 2008
00:56 <hoax> #tea
00:56 <armabot> hoax: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): A5417AkA, álf ñ, Hardy Heron, metaz, N4dd
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01:28 <Monkey_arma> #cup of tea
01:28 <hoax> :D
01:28 <Monkey_arma> sup hoax
01:29 <hoax> nothin.
01:34 <Monkey_arma> i see we have 2 new teams for the fff
01:41 <Stewie-arma> #cuppa
01:41 <Stewie-arma> darn
01:41 <hoax> #bitchplease
01:41 <hoax> :(
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09:52 <z-man> #later tell luke-jr http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?sid=d82b047eb3add76038aae8e29ce634fc&p=195701#195701
09:52 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
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10:06 <luke-jr> z-man: all the way back to 0.2.7?
10:07 <z-man> As far back as you like :) You're the manager of the gentoo stuff.
10:08 <luke-jr> what requires png?
10:09 <luke-jr> …
10:13 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8390 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/ (7 files in 2 dirs): check that sdl-image has USE=png
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11:54 <pippijn> zmanuel: hi
11:56 <pippijn> zmanuel: I am working on a printf preprocessor
11:56 <pippijn> zmanuel: it parses the format string before it passes the code to the compiler
11:57 <zmanuel> ok...
11:57 <pippijn> and it works pretty well already :-)
11:58 <pippijn> it uses helper functions to do the formatting
11:58 <pippijn> zmanuel: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/58d453b83076ce6f9fb75d49886ef9be.txt
11:58 <pippijn> zmanuel: becomes
11:59 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/e2347817cfd9c443a5527f25a314983f.txt
12:01 <zmanuel> nice, but, why? what's wrong with C++ stream output (apart from printf being more compact)?
12:03 <pippijn> nothing
12:03 <pippijn> printf is more compact :-)
12:03 <pippijn> and with the format string parsed before runtime, it's as fast as it gets
12:03 <zmanuel> It's your time :)
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12:04 <pippijn> it wasn't trivial
12:04 <pippijn> I wanted to see if I could do it
12:04 <pippijn> it's not finished, but the hard part is done
12:06 <zmanuel> How do you parse the string?
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12:08 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/1ca02649d2719316c948deac795e3254.txt
12:08 <pippijn> don't moan at me for bad style
12:16 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8391 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gParser.cpp): Manuel Moos: Version 0 maps now also get zones v1 parsed.
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18:46 <flex> Monkey_arma
18:49 <Monkey_arma> hello
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21:33 <pablo> Hi ^^
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21:33 <Monkey_arma> hello
21:33 <Stewie-arma> hey
21:34 <pablo> would you bare few noob questions ?:P
21:34 <Stewie-arma> possibly >.>
21:34 <pablo> maybe ;P
21:34 <pablo> ok here it goes ;)
21:34 <Monkey_arma> sure..
21:34 <pablo> ive googled a bit, looked at the tron forum
21:35 <pablo> and i discovered double bindings
21:35 <Stewie-arma> yes?
21:35 <pablo> great thing, though my turns are not so tight as I see some other players
21:35 <pablo> other can do u turn like
21:35 <pablo> ||
21:36 <pablo> and im doing |  |
21:36 <Stewie-arma> could be the server settings
21:36 <pablo> no matter how hard I try
21:36 <hoax> you pressing both keys at the same time? :)
21:36 <Monkey_arma> are you pressing the buttons at the same tim?
21:36 <Monkey_arma> *time
21:36 <pablo> I even started to suspect to press them in the same time
21:36 <hoax> xD
21:36 <pablo> ble ;P
21:36 <Stewie-arma> rofl
21:36 <hoax> haha
21:36 <pablo> two senteces ;P
21:36 <pablo> I even started to suspect my keyboard
21:36 <pablo> and yes, i press them in the same time
21:37 <pablo> im using wireless keyboard
21:37 <Monkey_arma> well other players will have no advantage then..they press them at the same time
21:37 <Monkey_arma> wireless should make no difference i think
21:37 <pablo> maybe Linux ?
21:37 <Monkey_arma> BUT....get a wired keyboard ;)
21:38 <Monkey_arma> i doubt linux is..
21:38 <pablo> ive tested it also in office (work ;P ) with wired keyboard - same effect
21:38 <Monkey_arma> ah i have worked it out
21:38 <Stewie-arma> have you?
21:38 <pablo> nope, I still have problem :P
21:38 <Monkey_arma> it depends on what speed you are going at so you need to brake before you double bind
21:38 <Monkey_arma> that will do a tighter double bind
21:39 <Monkey_arma> :)
21:39 <pablo> Monkey could you connect to my server just for a sec ?
21:39 <pablo> ;]
21:39 <pablo> easer way is to show :P
21:39 <Monkey_arma> bah i cant at the moment i am on my other OS
21:39 <pablo> use Linux :P
21:39 <Monkey_arma> i am :)
21:40 <Monkey_arma> i got it on another linux
21:40 <pablo> :D
21:40 <Monkey_arma> it keeps crashing on the other linux so i am changing it over
21:40 <pablo> naaah :/ still cant turn like others :/
21:41 <Stewie-arma> what is the cycle_delay on your server set to?
21:41 <Monkey_arma> i promise you if you use the brake and then press both the keys at the sam time you will be doing the same as the other
21:41 <Monkey_arma> s
21:41 <pablo> 0.1
21:41 <Stewie-arma> that's why
21:41 <Stewie-arma> 0.1 is default right?
21:41 <Monkey_arma> pablo the setting is the same for all players though
21:41 <Monkey_arma> yes it is i think
21:42 <Stewie-arma> but he's talking about on his server right now
21:42 <pablo> ive just started my own servet to check :)
21:42 <Stewie-arma> in console do cycle_delay .05
21:42 <pablo> muahahah :P
21:42 <pablo> ive set it to 5 :D
21:42 <Monkey_arma> pablo are you saying that on the same server as you others are double binding more tightly ?
21:42 <Stewie-arma> 5 is worse than .1
21:43 <Stewie-arma> lol
21:43 <pablo> yes, when i play with other on the servers where they can, I cant
21:43 <Stewie-arma> oh
21:43 <pablo> yes :P i know that already :D
21:43 <Stewie-arma> lol
21:43 <Stewie-arma> pfft
21:43 <Monkey_arma> well that makes no sense to me...i cant think why
21:43 <Stewie-arma> he said noob question
21:43 <Stewie-arma> lol
21:43 <Stewie-arma> uhm
21:43 <Stewie-arma> one sec -.-
21:43 <Monkey_arma> which server are you playing on?
21:43 <pablo> ill give you IP
21:44 <Stewie-arma> not smart to broadcast your ip on the internets
21:44 <Monkey_arma> pablo what version of arma are you running?
21:44 <pablo> ok so to which server should i connect ;)
21:44 <pablo> ive compiled 3.0
21:45 <pablo> (at least there is minimap ;) )
21:45 <Monkey_arma> how much brake is there?
21:45 <Monkey_arma> cycle_brake
21:45 <pablo> default
21:45 <Monkey_arma> which is?
21:46 <pablo> 30
21:46 <Monkey_arma> i think you need to learn to use brake pablo..i cant think of anything else it can be
21:47 <pablo> nor could I
21:47 <pablo> so anyway, if any of you would have a moment just to connect to my server (or any other server)
21:47 <pablo> i would appreciate :)
21:47 <Monkey_arma> are your two keys for left/right next to each other?
21:47 <pablo> yes
21:47 <pablo> left = s+d
21:47 <pablo> righ = j+k
21:47 <pablo> brake = spacve
21:48 <pablo> tso not quite next ;P
21:48 <Monkey_arma> ok it helps to change break to alt because you cant press 3 keys at the same time on some keyboards
21:48 <Monkey_arma> alt is a modifier so it is allowed to be pressed at same time as 2 keyes
21:48 <Monkey_arma> i use alt
21:48 <pablo> good to know, thank you
21:49 <Monkey_arma> i'm still not sure that will solve your issue :)
21:49 <pablo> testing right now
21:50 <pablo> nope :P
21:50 <Monkey_arma> have you tried on another server?
21:50 <pablo> will do right now
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21:50 <Monkey_arma> but dont try it on nexus9 ;)
21:51 <pablo> durak durak land
21:51 <Stewie-arma> durka durka land you mean
21:51 <Monkey_arma> i quite like durak actually
21:51 <Monkey_arma> well on durkaland the binds are tight anyway
21:52 <Monkey_arma> which means that you should not be able to notice any difference between you and the other players
21:54 <pablo> i do :p
21:54 <pablo> i do notice some difference ;)
21:54 <Monkey_arma> hmmm
21:54 <pablo> maybe im tottal noob and not doing something obviouse ;/
21:54 <Monkey_arma> heh
21:55 <Monkey_arma> ok i tell you what i will reboot and come to the server..if i can get my arma to not crash
21:55 <pablo> Monkey when you switch the systems can I ask you to join any server ?:)
21:55 <Monkey_arma> yes
21:56 <Monkey_arma> i will come to irc first
21:56 <Monkey_arma> bbiab
21:56 <pablo> great :) thank you very much
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22:00 <Monkey_arma> ok im on the other OS
22:01 <pablo> :)
22:01 <pablo> what server should I join
22:01 <pablo> should i create one ?
22:01 <Monkey_arma> i will join first
22:01 <Monkey_arma> wait a sec
22:01 <pablo> oook
22:02 <Monkey_arma> ok join yellow submarine
22:02 <Monkey_arma> and try your doubles i will be watching
22:02 <pablo> ook
22:04 <Monkey_arma> lmao hes not joking you know
22:04 <Monkey_arma> his doubles are wider lol
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22:15 <pablo> re
22:15 <pablo> from Windows ;)
22:16 <Stewie-arma> geeze
22:18 <pablo> still same issue
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22:18 <pablo> ill try v3.0
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22:19 <Monkey_arma> pablo did you say you tried it from work on a  wired keyboard?
22:20 <Stewie-arma> he could learn how to triple and just never double bind again...
22:20 <pablo> yes at work, but on my server, not public
22:20 <pablo> where the cycle_delay was set to default
22:21 <pablo> what triple means ?:p
22:21 <pablo> tripple bind ?:P
22:21 <Stewie-arma> yeah
22:21 <Monkey_arma> tripple is left left left right
22:21 <pablo> this could work
22:21 <Monkey_arma> but you cant always press them together
22:21 <pablo> doin P letter shape
22:22 <Monkey_arma> yes
22:22 <Monkey_arma> i would try to get doubles working
22:22 <Monkey_arma> at work were there other people on your server?
22:22 <pablo> yes - second noob :P
22:23 <Monkey_arma> and their double binds were tighter than yours??
22:24 <pablo> he does now what double bind is ;)
22:24 <pablo> ok so if I am a noob he is nooooob :P
22:26 <Monkey_arma> so he was not double binding?
22:29 <pablo> nope
22:29 <pablo> not at all
22:29 <Monkey_arma> ok well then i can only think it is your keyboard...borrow a wired keyboard and test it out
22:30 <pablo> why do i always have such a problems :P
22:31 <Monkey_arma> dont use wireless...EVER
22:31 <Monkey_arma> :)
22:32 <pablo> its convinient :)
22:33 <pablo> ok back to linux :>
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22:37 <pablo> re
22:39 <Monkey_arma> it may be convenient but you wont be winning many games
22:39 <Monkey_arma> i can possibly understand wireless mice but not keyboards
22:40 <pablo> nah :P stupid keyboard will not stop me :P
22:40 <pablo> im searching how to tune it ;P
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22:46 <pablo> btw. Monkey_arma <- wireless keyboard is briliant when you are watching movies  :P
22:50 <flex> I'm using a wireless keyboard and mouse.. what are you on about Monkey_arma
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22:54 <pablo> I have problems with doing doubles
22:54 <pablo> they are no tight :/
22:54 <hoax> what server?
22:55 <pablo> each of the servers
22:55 <flex> pablo join ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server
22:55 <flex> lemmy see :)
22:55 <pablo> ok will do
22:55 <pablo> L(
22:55 <pablo> :)
22:55 <pablo> just w8 :)
22:55 <flex> k
22:56 <pablo> already there
22:58 <pablo> i cant do those tight ones
22:58 <pablo> as you spoted
22:58 <flex> right, that's normal double binds your doing..
22:58 <pablo> but im doing | |
22:59 <flex> the tight ones i have no idea how some of those "high rubber" players do it
22:59 <pablo> and other can even go it with grinding
22:59 <flex> i'm guessing a macro program
23:00 <flex> pablo, your doing perfectly fine double binds.. that's as good as they get without using something else.. ie hotkeys
23:00 <pablo> ok, so how to do a hotkey :D
23:00 <flex> if your keyboard has hotkey settings or something
23:00 <flex> or try
23:00 <flex> http://www.autohotkey.com/
23:01 <pablo> ah so simply setting it on keyboard
23:01 <pablo> like multimedia keys
23:01 <pablo> got it
23:01 <flex> right
23:01 <pablo> ee that would be no fun
23:02 <flex> but, i should suggest, using hotkeys or double binds and stuff is the rookie way :p
23:02 <pablo> rookie ?:> im not as fluent in english :)
23:02 <pablo> could you translate ??:P
23:02 <flex> urm, newb?
23:02 <pablo> as I see on server every one use them ;P
23:03 <pablo> *servers
23:03 <flex> yeah they're all loosers!
23:03 <flex> not so much normal double binds.. they're kinda acceptable
23:03 <flex> it's the norm that's why..
23:03 <pablo> so whats the deal of being non-looser in loosers world ?:D
23:04 <flex> i do it myself, so i guess i can't disagree anyway lol
23:04 <pablo> :D
23:04 <flex> just not hotkeys or anything external..
23:04 <flex> i consider that cheating..
23:05 <pablo> ive already seen nearly immortal players ...
23:05 <pablo> and was wondering how the fu**k they do that ;)
23:06 <pablo> closed in a box
23:06 <pablo> grinding all the time in one place
23:06 <flex> i don't understand really.. they max out the rubber to 20000, then use hotkeys and macros..
23:06 <flex> completely changed the whole idea of the game for me (in my opinion)
23:07 <pablo> dont ask me ;P im a simple noob
23:07 <pablo> :P
23:07 <flex> well, don't be fooled.. that's not even half the picture ;)
23:08 <pablo> discribe the other half ;P
23:08 <flex> fortress, sumo
23:09 <pablo> ah so other game options
23:09 <pablo> like CTF right ?
23:09 <flex> yeah
23:09 <flex> for custom fortress maps, check out Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress
23:10 <pablo> what to do there ?:p
23:10 <flex> you mean how to play?
23:11 <pablo> YES
23:11 <pablo> :]
23:11 <pablo> sry 4 caps
23:11 <pablo> yyy lol. 45 degree turns ?:D
23:11 <flex> you start off in a team, yellow or blue. you need to grind so that you gain more speed and your whole team gains off your grind as well
23:12 <flex> split accordingly to your teammate beside you, so that you don't get teamkilled or end up blocking your teammate in the inside row.
23:13 <flex> the objective of the game is to capture the enemy zone and also defend your own zone from the enemy attacking.
23:13 <flex> pretty simple huh? :p
23:14 <pablo> cool ;P
23:14 <pablo> i get the picture :)
23:14 <flex> hf
23:15 <pablo> thank you :)
23:17 <flex> some tips: try not to enter your own teams zone unless your the "defender" (usually the person circling the zone, trying to block the enemy trying to get into the zone.) also try to grind tight (close to the wall.) when grinding at the start.
23:19 <pablo> :>
23:19 <flex> so that your teammates get the maximum speed, and also you get gain speed more with closer grinds.
23:20 <flex> grinding = when you drive close to a wall or object and it causes friction(sparks) = makes you go faster
23:20 <Monkey_arma> flex you nutter..his doubles arent working..go  to yellow sub and see
23:20 <flex> you silly head
23:21 <flex> his grinds are fine
23:21 <flex> i saw him use it in x sumo
23:21 <Monkey_arma> sumo is different
23:21 <flex> you're confusing him!
23:21 <Monkey_arma> goto yellow sub
23:21 <Monkey_arma> do it!!!!
23:21 <flex> pff
23:21 <Monkey_arma> sumo has more delay so it dont matrer
23:21 <Monkey_arma> matter
23:21 <pablo> :P
23:22 <Monkey_arma> seriously go there and see..its crazy
23:22 <pablo> so are they working or not ?:p
23:22 <Monkey_arma> they are NOT
23:22 <flex> shut up monkey
23:22 <Monkey_arma> #kill flex
23:22 <flex> he's doing the same double bind i'm doing
23:22 <armabot> flex will die on Wed Mar 26 23:26:41 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Monkey_arma
23:22 <flex> how is he doing it wrong?
23:22 <Monkey_arma> go to yellow sub NOW
23:22 <Monkey_arma> i will meet you there
23:22 <flex> i'm there
23:22 <pablo> going therte
23:26 <Monkey_arma> haha flex has fucked up binds too
23:43 <Monkey_arma> so we have confirmed now that wireless sucks
23:45 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-210-251.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit []
23:45 <flex> haha
23:45 <flex> you're so gay
23:45 <Monkey_arma> so you agree  then ye?
23:46 <flex> no
23:46 <flex> his grinds are fine
23:46 <Monkey_arma> bollox
23:46 <Monkey_arma> you are blind
23:46 <pablo> :>
23:46 <Monkey_arma> pablo is right
23:46 <Monkey_arma> your binds and his are looser than mine
23:47 <pablo> ill get complex because of that :P
23:49 <Monkey_arma> we can compare a wireless with a wired keyboard on the same computer...then we will know...
23:49 <flex> so Monkey_arma, what do you think causes it? wireless is evil?
23:49 <Monkey_arma> that is all i can think of ye
23:50 <Monkey_arma> we will take some screenshots some time
23:51 <pablo> im evil ;P
23:58 <flex> i'll check it out monkey
23:58 <flex> i've got 4-5working spare keyboards
23:59 <Monkey_arma> ok cool when  when you want to do it call me and we will check....it dont have to be now
23:59 <flex> ok
23:59 <flex> plus, we can be more specific and check the connection speed..
23:59 <flex> need software for that
23:59 <hoax> u know you can put keyboards in the dishwasher to clean em
23:59 <Monkey_arma> well i have lame arse connection so it cant be that
23:59 <Monkey_arma> lmao hoax
23:59 <hoax> dont try it with a laptop keyoard mind
23:59 <hoax> :S

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