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Log from 2008-03-13:
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00:27 <fonkay> Who's got IP help for me?
00:28 <fonkay> proxy servers?
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00:32 <fonkay> nothing?
00:32 <fonkay> Hello?
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00:37 <fonkay> bollucks
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00:38 <K-Yo> fonkay, what u need?
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00:50 <fonkay> I need to pretend I'm american
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00:57 <K-Yo> ok
00:57 <K-Yo> have fun doing so then ;)
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01:01 <Ady|ATool> hey guys
01:01 <Ady|ATool> hey guys
01:01 <Ady|ATool> hey guys
01:01 <Ady|ATool> hey guys
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01:07 <ady|ATool> test
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01:09 <adt|ATool> bumbox
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01:09 <ady666> sry for teh spam
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04:21 <Ricco> is luke-jr posting random bible quotes as he is in #politics and other channels here?
04:22 <ct|kyle> no
04:22 <Ricco> ct|kyle, perhaps he is doing it in #politics cause it is a a no kick no ban environment
04:22 <ct|kyle> probably
04:23 <ct|kyle> Ricco: i bet he uses godtube
04:23 <Ricco> ct|kyle, do you get a lot of protestant christian prstelytiszing here from him or his bot
04:24 <Ricco> he has been prostelytizing in many of the channels that I have visited, even channels on linux having nothing to do with religion
04:24 <ct|kyle> Ricco: i think we banned his bot
04:24 <ct|kyle> we just simply make fun of him. and prove him wrong
04:24 <Ricco> ct|kyle, might waant to ban luke-jr and luke-jr_ too. he is using those mnicks to prostelytize in other channels
04:25 <ct|kyle> Ricco: he is sort of an armagetron developer
04:25 <Ricco> i have no idea what that is
04:25 <Ricco> some kind of computer game?
04:25 <ct|kyle> ya
04:25 <luke-jr_> ct|kyle: lol, you're actually talking to the troll
04:25 <Ricco> ah! armegedom based?
04:26 <Ricco> protestant christian end of the world stuff?
04:26 <ct|kyle> tron based
04:26 <luke-jr_> lol
04:26 <Ricco> ct|kyle, sorry, not a computer gamer myself.
04:26 <Ricco> ct|kyle, but I understand that they are very ppular
04:27 * luke-jr_ heard they were unpopular
04:27 <Ricco> ct|kyle, heck, most people I talk to use their computers almost exclusively for games
04:27 <Ricco> ct|kyle, world of warcraft seems to be a hot game
04:27 <Ricco> ct|kyle, i am a historian that works for a NT scholar. so I am more into the study of history, than game stuff
04:27 <ct|kyle> ya i only play armagetron
04:28 <luke-jr_> z-man-work: wrtlprnft guru3
04:28 <Ricco> TheBibleGeek.org is where he does his thing
04:28 <Ricco> I think it is cool that an actual bible scholar will take questions from the internet community
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04:28 <luke-jr_> I think it's stupid to call atheists "bible scholar"s
04:28 <Ricco> ct|kyle, so often you have so much kook stuff out there, people don't have a clue where to turn to actualy check things out
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04:29 <Ricco> ct|kyle, so often you have so much kook stuff out there, people don't have a clue where to turn to actualy check things out
04:29 <luke-jr_> I think it's stupid to call atheists "bible scholar"s
04:29 <Ricco> ct|kyle, i like that that scholar takes questions from the public
04:30 <Ricco> ct|kyle, too often you get kook groups saying this and that, and even if the general public were interested in trying to get info on the issues they really can't
04:30 <ct|kyle> luke-jr_: I think it is stupid to over infuses astronomy and follow a religion based on it
04:30 <Ricco> ct|kyle, although, most people really don't care about those kinds of things
04:31 <Ricco> ct|kyle, most people really don;t care about religion
04:31 <Ricco> ct|kyle, if they are involved in it at all, they are involved in a social thing in their community or such
04:31 <Ricco> ct|kyle, like being a boy scout when you are a kid, or playing little league
04:31 <Ricco> it just something people in socoety do
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05:06 <Ricco> ct|kyle, well, it is good for you to just keep in mine TheBibleGeek.org if you have to deal with luke-jr daily
05:06 <Ricco> ct|kyle, anyone like that that would auto generate bible servers into #politics is probably selling some kook religion idea regularly
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05:07 <Ricco> ct|kyle, it's good to have access to an actual religious scholar to have access to if you ever actually had a religious question; TheBibleGeek.org
05:07 <Ricco> cheers
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05:08 <vorian> laters :)
05:08 <vorian> be good :)
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05:41 <pippijn> automata/lexer.h:63: error: no match for 'operator+' in '*(((const simpl::Integral<short int, 2>*)((const simpl::Lexer*)this)->simpl::Lexer::base) + (+(((unsigned int)(&s)->simpl::Integral<T, Context>::operator T [with T = short unsigned int, int Context = 0]()) * 2u))) + disp'
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15:03 <Ttech> ping
15:11 <luke-jr_> …
15:15 <spidey> pong
15:15 <spidey> man
15:15 <spidey> where do you live, asia? that was a 11 minute delay!
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15:43 <ADy|ATool> #ping
15:43 <armabot> pong
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15:49 <ADy|ATool> hi bougo
15:49 <MrBougo> hai ADy
15:50 <eddiefantastic> hi ADy|ATool
15:50 <ADy|ATool> lol hi ed
15:50 <MrBougo> hi eddiefantastic
15:50 <eddiefantastic> hi MrBougo Sir
15:50 <MrBougo> yay we did it
15:50 <MrBougo> cross-hi was a success
15:50 <eddiefantastic> hell yeah!
15:50 <ADy|ATool> well i took durka's screenshot now i will quit
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16:36 <z-man-work> yay, /me got a new 1920x1200 monitor at work
16:38 <z-man-work> Oy, and the graphics card got upgraded from NVidia 5200 to 7600
16:38 <z-man-work> GT, even.
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16:40 * z-man-work ponders about installing Doom3
16:41 <wrtlprnft> sweet
16:41 <wrtlprnft> #g 1920*1200/1280/800
16:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((1,920 * 1,200) / 1,280) / 800 = 2.25
16:41 <wrtlprnft> meh. more than two times the number of pixels of mine
16:42 <z-man-work> apparently, it's also a DualCore CPU now: model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+
16:42 * z-man-work is stuck with 1280x1024 at home
16:43 <z-man-work> Not too bad as it saves GPU power for fancy shaders, though.
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17:20 <kidd> hi
17:20 <wrtlprnft> hi
17:20 <pippijn> hi
17:20 <ct|kyle> hi
17:21 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/strint.cc.txt
17:24 <wrtlprnft> wah.
17:27 <pippijn> :]
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17:46 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: how can I do this:
17:46 <pippijn> torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () { cout << "here"; } }; exec (A ()); }
17:46 <torres> no matching function for call to 'exec(main()::A)'
17:47 <epsy> hm
17:47 <epsy> IP mismatch ... only difference is port
17:48 <epsy> my client sends the connection port, the server compares it to the port it's using for syncing
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft: weird…
18:10 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: any idea?
18:16 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () { cout << "here"; } }; A a; exec (a); }
18:16 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () { cout << "here"; } }; A a; exec (a); cout << "there!"; }
18:17 <z-man-work> wake up, torres!
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18:21 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void E(T const & fn) { fn (); } struct A { void operator ()() const { cout << "here"; } }; int main(){ E(A()); }
18:21 <torres> here
18:22 <z-man-work> Apparently, it didn't like the fact that A was delared local to main().
18:23 <pippijn> z-man-work: no kidding..
18:23 <pippijn> z-man-work: now, how do I get it to work with local structs?
18:24 <z-man-work> Beats me :) Study the weird chapters of the standard dealing with lookup rules :)
18:24 <pippijn> seems to be undefined
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18:25 <z-man-work> Nah, that can't be. Lookup rules need to be well defined.
18:25 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () { cout << "here"; } }; A a; ::exec (a); cout << "there!"; }
18:25 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void E(T const & fn) { fn (); } struct A { void operator ()() const { cout << "here"; } }; int main(){ E(A()); }
18:25 <torres> here
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18:26 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator const () () { cout << "here"; } }; A a; ::exec (a); cout << "there!"; }
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18:26 <z-man-work> torres: template<typename T> void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } int main () { struct A { void operator () () const { cout << "here"; } }; A a; ::exec (a); cout << "there!"; }
18:26 <z-man-work> Shouldn't there be at least some kind of feedback?
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18:28 <z-man-work> "Currently, classes can be declared and defined at block scope, but these classes and their member functions have no linkage, which prohibits their use as template arguments."
18:29 <z-man-work> From http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2002/n1353.html
18:29 <z-man-work> Which means, you're basically screwed.
18:30 <z-man-work> Unless you define a non-templated interface your local class inherits from.
18:32 <pippijn> z-man-work: you added a space before "torres"
18:32 <z-man-work> ah.
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18:34 <z-man-work> torres: struct I { virtual void operator () () const = 0; }; struct X{ template<typename T> static void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } static void exec (I const &fn) { fn (); } }; int main () { struct A: public I { void operator () () const { cout << "here"; } }; X::exec (A()); }
18:34 <torres> 'struct I' has virtual functions and accessible non-virtual destructor
18:34 <z-man-work> torres: struct I { virtual ~I(){}; virtual void operator () () const = 0; }; struct X{ template<typename T> static void exec (T const &fn) { fn (); } static void exec (I const &fn) { fn (); } }; int main () { struct A: public I { void operator () () const { cout << "here"; } }; X::exec (A()); }
18:34 <torres> here
18:34 <pippijn> :-)
18:34 <pippijn> bbl, dinner
18:35 <z-man-work> Horrible, but if all you really want are local functors, it works.
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18:52 <wrtlprnft> local functors sound useful, though.
19:29 <pippijn> C++0x will render them useless
19:29 <pippijn> when lambda expressions arrive
19:32 <wrtlprnft> true
19:35 <pippijn> is template metaprogramming turing-complete?
19:39 <pippijn> there are plans for pure functions in C++1x :-)
19:39 <pippijn> void foo (int i, int j) static nothrow pure { ... }
19:39 <pippijn> well
19:39 <pippijn> int foo (int i, int j) static nothrow pure { ... }
19:40 <pippijn> pure functions returning void are pretty useless
19:44 <pippijn> also overloading cast operators such as dynamic_cast or const_cast might be in C++1x
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20:48 <apt|comp> #list Weather
20:48 <armabot> apt|comp: cnn, ham, weather, wunder, and wunder rss
20:50 <apt|comp> hello?
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21:07 <luke-jr> overloading const_cast would be pure evil
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22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/epsy/tst/settings-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by epsy
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22:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man: are pre-0.2.8.3 clients supposed to handle suspend votes? By what epsy tells me it looks like they don't
22:42 <epsy> that doesn't only apply to suspend votes
22:43 <epsy> some even reported that they actually voted, except i didn't see any vote message from them
22:43 <wrtlprnft> I remember something about include and command votes not being sent to older clients
22:43 <epsy> and many doesn't even get the vote menu, indeed
22:45 <z-man> wrtlprnft: suspend votes are supposed to be translated to traditional kick votes for old clients.
22:45 <z-man> old being < 0.2.8.0, 0.2.8.0 can handle the custom votes already.
22:45 <z-man> Include and command votes can't be emulated for < 0.2.8.0 clients, though.
22:47 <wrtlprnft> oh, so virtually everyone should be able to vote for anything
22:47 <wrtlprnft> i wonder why epsy reports it doesn't work, then :-(
22:48 <epsy> basically, stable users don't see the vote
22:48 <epsy> no, wait
22:48 <epsy> these see the vote, but when they vote, there's no vote message appearing
22:49 <wrtlprnft> got a nick of a recent pseudovoter handy?
22:49 <epsy> the players who have the build which cannot vote doesn't see it at all
22:49 <epsy> and recent client users can vote
22:49 <epsy> wrtlprnft, Monkey reported to have voted, altrough i never seen his vote
22:49 <epsy> it was probably another command say hi vote
22:50 <wrtlprnft> 743317 [2] Monkey voted for Poll "Suspend The Doctor".
22:50 <epsy> strange
22:51 <wrtlprnft> 743285 [1] Frozen Infernal voted for Poll "Suspend The Doctor".
22:51 <wrtlprnft> 743313 [3] Longball|MBC voted for Poll "Suspend The Doctor".
22:51 <wrtlprnft> plus three against
22:51 <wrtlprnft> i doubt they all used a recent version
22:52 <epsy> i doubt that too
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22:52 * wrtlprnft wonders why client versions aren't logged.
22:55 <flex> because luke-jr__ is gay
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23:19 <z-man> wrtlprnft: feel free to add them to the "connection established" message.
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23:20 * wrtlprnft liked the luke-jr explanation
23:20 <z-man> Hmm, are kick votes enabled on elimination sumo?
23:21 <[dlh]> luke-jr: poke. I need a password reset for my account on beta.armagetronad.net
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23:43 <z-man> That's probably a mighty complicated bug epsy has picked as target.
23:44 * z-man is watching an Uwe Boll film
23:49 * guru3 waves
23:51 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8316 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Have the server log the version of each connecting clients (I hope the max version the client sends is its current version)
23:52 * wrtlprnft wonder if he'll ever manage to produce a commit message without spelling errors
23:52 <wrtlprnft> *wonders
23:52 * wrtlprnft should go to bed.
23:53 <guru3> i would argue that's a grammer error
23:53 <wrtlprnft> it's a nitpick error :P
23:54 <guru3> yup
23:54 <guru3> and you started nitpicking first ;)
23:57 <wrtlprnft> heh, i nitpicked myself :-P
23:57 <wrtlprnft> nitpicking yourself isn't nitpicking…
23:57 <wrtlprnft> err, nvm
23:57 * wrtlprnft really goes to bed
23:57 <guru3> you could have ad an awesome typo there
23:57 <guru3> you could have said
23:57 <guru3> 00:00:12 < wrtlprnft> heh, i nosepicked myself :-P
23:58 <guru3> that would have been bad
23:58 <guru3> even if we do all pick our noses, we rarely admit it in public
23:58 <wrtlprnft> you DO pick your nose?
23:58 * wrtlprnft never did
23:58 <guru3> "no comment"
23:58 <wrtlprnft> really.
23:58 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
23:59 <mkzelda> i dont pick my nose but i pick other people's
23:59 <baddog144> ewww... :)
23:59 <guru3> there's an even rarer statement
23:59 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: mine, for example.
23:59 <guru3> following up on baddog144, are the other people concious/alive when it happens?
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