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01:13 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7849 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tConfiguration.cpp: Added 0.3.1 user.cfg file so 0.3.1 won't overwrite 0.3.0 config.
01:14 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7850 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gParser.cpp: Slightly saner way to handle the incompatible-with-old-clients-zones-v2-usage bit.
01:15 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7851 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (win32/config_common.h win32_ded/aa_config.h): Activating zones v2 and Armathentication on Windows.
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01:55 <flex> luke-jr
02:15 <luke-jr> what
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02:17 <Self_Destructo> hi folks
02:20 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: you there?
02:31 <pippijn> torres: << TYPE(char (*)[3])
02:31 <torres> char (*)[3]
02:31 <pippijn> torres: << TYPE_DESC(char (*)[3])
02:31 <torres> pointer to an array of 3 characters
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02:47 <flex> luke-jr
02:47 <flex> ur gay
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05:36 <Stewie-arma> oh wow SD is here...
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06:59 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: hi
07:00 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: hey, hang on just a sec
07:02 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: you made the addict logs right?
07:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah
07:03 <wrtlprnft> http://novicious.com/twatch/
07:03 <wrtlprnft> those are way better though
07:04 <Self_Destructo> ok, hmm nice site
07:04 <Self_Destructo> anyways
07:04 <Self_Destructo> I'm needing an addict log for one server
07:04 <Self_Destructo> ours, of course
07:05 <Self_Destructo> would you already have something of that sort?
07:06 <wrtlprnft> you mean, filtered to just include yours?
07:06 <Self_Destructo> that would work, yes
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07:07 <wrtlprnft> that site i linked to at least tells you where everyone played
07:07 <Self_Destructo> how long does it keep a record?
07:08 <wrtlprnft> All data since February 2nd, 2008. Time data is GMT+1 (CET).
07:08 <wrtlprnft> it's relatively new
07:08 <wrtlprnft> bbl, breakfast
07:08 <Self_Destructo> I'm needing a way to monitor how much time people play on a weekly basis
07:09 <Self_Destructo> k
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07:21 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: i'll look into it later, after school
07:27 <Self_Destructo> ok
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09:47 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7852 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: Performance improvement: the cycle now triggers rendering of its walls, the renderer does not have to traverse all walls (and render them multiple times).
10:26 <luke-jr> does that affect dead cycles' walls?
10:29 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7853 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Avoiding state changes when rendering rim walls (at least, when no moviepack is selected).
10:30 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7854 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycle.cpp): Manuel Moos: Disabling backface culling for cycle walls.
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11:25 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:25 <wrtlprnft> cycle walls were culleD?
11:44 -!- z-man-work is now known as z-man
11:45 <z-man> wrtlprnft: only in the intermediate commit.
11:45 -!- z-man is now known as z-man-work
11:49  * z-man-work constantly forgets "bzr push"
11:50 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:52 <wrtlprnft> argh, why is the part that takes a texture path and passes it through tDirectories::Data() so deeply nested inside the textures?
11:52 <z-man-work> Abstraction :)
11:54 <wrtlprnft> great if you want a texture outside of tDirectories::Data() :-P
11:56 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7855 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Still more performance: putting all rim walls into one display list (as long as they are not lowered for rendering).
11:57 <wrtlprnft> neat.
11:57 <wrtlprnft> are they rendered in the chopped up way the engine requires or as wholes?
12:09 <z-man-work> In the chopped up way; but in the display list, that should not matter too much on modern hardware.
12:10 <wrtlprnft> well, i guess my card doesn't count as modern hardware :-(
12:11 <z-man-work> Sure? Anything with T&L should be fine.
12:12 <wrtlprnft> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
12:12 <wrtlprnft> it sucks, believe me
12:12 <z-man-work> I do.
12:14 <wrtlprnft> heh
12:16 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should draw the rim and the background of the hud map as a display list, too
12:21 <z-man-work> Certainly wouldn't hurt, but let me refactor the display list management first, this can be made quite generic.
12:28 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7856 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eAdvWall.cpp src/tron/gWall.cpp): Manuel Moos: Hmm, odd rendering height bug for the rim walls. It seems the code renders them wrongly the first time around. Oh well, let's just create the display list some frames into the round :)
12:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: ok, you'll need to merge that, then, i need it in the trunk
12:32 <z-man-work> Yes, of course.
12:37 <wrtlprnft> well, i got the textures to work, sort of :)
12:38 <wrtlprnft> but i'm not excactly creative
12:56 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armatextures.png
12:56 <wrtlprnft>                 <Image scale_x="2" scale_y="2">
12:56 <wrtlprnft>                     <Graphic category="" author="wrtlprnft" version="1" name="wood" extension="jpg" uri="http://www.dil.univ-mrs.fr/~mari/Enseignement/M2Shanghai/assets/wood_texture.jpg" />
12:56 <wrtlprnft>                 </Image>
12:56 <wrtlprnft> is that an OK syntax?
12:58 <z-man-work> The URI would be optional?
12:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
12:58 <wrtlprnft> then it'll be download from the repository
12:59 <wrtlprnft> the extension is also optional and defaults to png
12:59 <z-man-work> Sounds fine to me. Will this be directly in the cockpit code?
12:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:59 <wrtlprnft> err, sec
12:59 <wrtlprnft> no
13:00 <wrtlprnft> the parsing of the tag is in the cockpit code right now
13:00 <wrtlprnft> but the actual putting the path together is done somewhere else
13:00 <z-man-work> We also need to think about materials consisting of multiple textures layered above each other.
13:00 <z-man-work> If possible, we should reuse the syntax and texture loading code there.
13:01 <z-man-work> I'm not an expert on textures and blending effects, though.
13:01 <wrtlprnft> me neither :P
13:01 <wrtlprnft> i'm not even sure if my gpu supports multiple textures
13:02 <z-man-work> Ouch.
13:02 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/899737
13:03 <wrtlprnft> that's all the cockpit code does to load a texture
13:03 <z-man-work> Sounds fine.
13:03 <z-man-work> s/fine/perfect/
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13:05 <wrtlprnft> there's a wrapper around rResourceTexture, though
13:05 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should rename the wrapper and the actual class so you don't have to deal with the inner class anymore
13:14 <evaldusia> lo
13:25 <wrtlprnft> hi
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13:53 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7857 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (14 files in 5 dirs):
13:53 <armabot> armagetronad: Added some support for textures in cockpits and for resource textures in general :-)
13:53 <armabot> armagetronad: The map background texture I committed is temporary and just a demonstration and an example. It's waiting for a better design :-)
13:54 <wrtlprnft> :D
14:02 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: ok, I'm out of bed now
14:03 <wrtlprnft> I'd suggest you ask the guy who did the thing i linked to
14:03 <wrtlprnft> his interface is much nicer, anyways
14:04 <wrtlprnft> and he's already got all the info in a format that's much easier to evaluate than mine
14:04 <Self_Destructo> I don't need anything fancy
14:05 <Self_Destructo> i personally was thinking of a php script that read off the players.txt into a database every minute
14:05 <wrtlprnft> oh
14:05 <wrtlprnft> that's something totally different
14:05 <Self_Destructo> that's what I was thinking
14:06 <wrtlprnft> do you know any PHP?
14:06 <wrtlprnft> and mysql
14:06 <Self_Destructo> some
14:06 <wrtlprnft> you can probably do it yourself, then. It's not that hard
14:07 <wrtlprnft> i'll help you if you have any problems
14:07 <Self_Destructo> yeah, probably, I just didn't want to start on it if someone else has already done it
14:07 <wrtlprnft> my script has little to do with what you need
14:08 <wrtlprnft> my database has an entirely different format from what you have
14:08 <Self_Destructo> yeah
14:11 <eddiefantastic> I'm trying to run a server using the latest trunk with a zones v2 map. Is it expected not to crash?
14:11 <wrtlprnft> well
14:12 <wrtlprnft> the client currently crashes with a zonesv2 map
14:12 <wrtlprnft> after the end of the round
14:12 <eddiefantastic> it crashes when creating the grid
14:13 <eddiefantastic> the client merely disconnects
14:13  * wrtlprnft was talking about a local game
14:13 <wrtlprnft> i'll see if it's easy to fix
14:14 <eddiefantastic> since there's clients out there that can understand zonesv2, I'd like to play around with a server
14:14 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_659.png
14:15 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: yeah, i understand that
14:15 <wrtlprnft> now i just need someone to actually try to make a cockpit that uses images in a sensible way
14:16 <Self_Destructo> i might could try
14:16 <wrtlprnft> and tell me what problems they get/what additional features they want
14:16 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: what OS? sorry, i forgot
14:16 <Self_Destructo> but I'm guessing I'd have to do it on Linux
14:16 <wrtlprnft> actually, no
14:16 <Self_Destructo> ugh, yeah, still doing windows xp
14:17 <wrtlprnft> i just compiled a trunk build yesterday
14:17 <Self_Destructo> really?
14:17 <wrtlprnft> it's too old, though, let me update it
14:17 <Self_Destructo> k
14:18 <eddiefantastic> wrtlprnft: it seems the client crashes too trying to play a zonesv2 map locally too :S
14:18 <eddiefantastic> too
14:18 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: that's what i said
14:18 <wrtlprnft> let me compile Self_Destructo's windows build first
14:19 <eddiefantastic> didn't even load the map for me
14:19 <wrtlprnft> wow, this is the first time i give priority to a windows issue over a linux one
14:19 <Self_Destructo> lol
14:19 <Self_Destructo> because it's your project ;)
14:19 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: i at least partly blame it on z-man-work's merge
14:19 <wrtlprnft> because it didn't crash before that :D
14:20 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: any current documentation on your cockpit?
14:21 <z-man-work> yeah, yeah :)
14:21 <Self_Destructo> hey z-man
14:21 <wrtlprnft> the one on the wiki is current up to the point right before the texture stuff
14:21 <Self_Destructo> ok
14:22 <wrtlprnft> there isn't much to the textures yet
14:22 <z-man-work> For all crashes, please send in recordings :)
14:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: err, you don't need any.
14:22 <eddiefantastic> I can do. Just wondered if it was supposed to work
14:22 <wrtlprnft> just start the client at default settings, play a round, watch the triangular zone
14:22 <wrtlprnft> and die
14:23 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: in any place that expects a color (ie <Background /> and <Foreground />) you can add an <Image /> tag before (or instead of) the color
14:23 <eddiefantastic> the triangular zone?
14:23 <wrtlprnft>                 <Image scale_x="2" scale_y="2">
14:23 <wrtlprnft>                     <Graphic category="" author="wrtlprnft" version="1" name="wood_512" extension="jpg" uri="http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/wood512.jpg" />
14:23 <wrtlprnft>                 </Image>
14:23 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: err, i see a triangular zone when i start with make run
14:23 <z-man-work> I have no triangular zone in default settings.
14:24 <wrtlprnft> wtf.
14:24 <Self_Destructo> ok
14:24 <z-man-work> Clear out your resource cache.
14:24 <wrtlprnft> ah
14:24 <z-man-work> Maybe an outdated default map is lurking somewhere.
14:24 <z-man-work>  /insert rant about philippe modifying it
14:25 <wrtlprnft> argh, now i need to rebuild arma because i deleted too much
14:25 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: if you omit the uri tag it will be loaded from the resource repository
14:25 <Self_Destructo> ok
14:25 <wrtlprnft> at the author/category/name-version.aatex.extension
14:26 <Self_Destructo> k
14:26 <Self_Destructo> can I use my own resource repository for now, while experimenting?
14:26 <wrtlprnft> sure
14:27 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: it's time you allow binary uploads :D
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14:40 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: i'm not dead, having a small problem
14:41 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: you're right, it was a stale file
14:42 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: I'm glad your not dead, just don't scare me like that next time! :p
14:42 <z-man-work> Umm, does that mean we can't track the crash now?
14:42 <wrtlprnft> just try eddiefantastic's map
14:44 <z-man-work> which one?
14:45 <wrtlprnft> let me see
14:46 <wrtlprnft> MAP_FILE wrtlprnft/test(http://crazy-tronners.com/resource/ed/zones_v2/hammertime-0.0.2.aamap.xml)
14:46 <wrtlprnft> that kills it at the end of the round for me
14:46 <wrtlprnft> and yes, it's inproper use of MAP_FILE
14:46 <wrtlprnft> *im
14:47 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: i can give you a version where automatic downloading of resources doesn't work
14:47 <Self_Destructo> that's fine
14:48 <wrtlprnft> i think it's a problem with \n replaced by \r\n
14:48 <Self_Destructo> hm.. small, problem, hard to find
14:49 <wrtlprnft> well, the downloaded pictures are garbled
14:50 <Self_Destructo> hmm
14:51 <wrtlprnft> uploaded to http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armagetronad-CVS.win32.exe
14:52 <wrtlprnft> wow
14:52 <Self_Destructo> ?
14:52 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr's resource fetch code is totally unreadable
14:52 <wrtlprnft> lucifer was right all along
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14:53 <Self_Destructo> that's unusual for luke
14:53 <deja_vu> :O
14:53 <deja_vu> Self_Destructo! :)
14:59 <Self_Destructo> what?
14:59 <deja_vu> hi :P
14:59 <Self_Destructo> am I deja vuing here?
15:00 <wrtlprnft> original: 89 50 4E 47  0D 0A 1A 0A
15:00 <Self_Destructo> how are you? :)
15:00 <deja_vu> i hope so
15:00 <deja_vu> :)
15:00 <wrtlprnft> fake: 89 50 4E 47  0D 0D 0A 1A
15:00 <wrtlprnft> i was right :)
15:00 <deja_vu> rather hungry, but well xD
15:00 <Self_Destructo> :), I'm getting hungry myself
15:01 <deja_vu> haven't seen you in tron for a while
15:01 <deja_vu> where do you usually play? :]
15:02 <Self_Destructo> on ~"XzL.
15:02 <deja_vu> ah
15:02 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7858 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (11 files in 5 dirs):
15:02 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
15:02 <armabot> armagetronad: Added display list wrapper for convenient caching of renderings.
15:02 <armabot> armagetronad: Used it for the console and individual cycle walls.
15:02 <Self_Destructo> and you?
15:02 <deja_vu> i got hooked on ctf and now fortress
15:02 <Self_Destructo> ahh
15:03 <Self_Destructo> I love ctf
15:03 <Self_Destructo> but me and you are at least 6 hours apart, so I am hardly on when you are. ;)
15:03 <deja_vu> btw, i'm a squirrel again
15:04 <Self_Destructo> really? lol
15:04 <deja_vu> but then again i sleep at weird times ;)
15:04 <deja_vu> a QuantumSquirrel this time *.*
15:04 <Self_Destructo> :)
15:04 <Self_Destructo> I'll try to catch you on sometime
15:05 <wrtlprnft> ah, then i've seen you :P
15:05 <deja_vu> you never know where i'm gonna be
15:05 <deja_vu> :)
15:05 <Self_Destructo> lol
15:05 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu is the guy who never actually talks in here and nobody knows anything about
15:05 <wrtlprnft> unless Self_Destructo is here, apparently
15:05 <Self_Destructo> haha, me and deja_vu go way back :)
15:06 <deja_vu> lol wrtlprnft :)
15:06 <Self_Destructo> you probably know more about me then you do about deja_vu
15:06 <deja_vu> i only talk when i'm annoyed about you guys talking about obscure fonts with my name ;)
15:06 <Self_Destructo> lol
15:07 <wrtlprnft> DejaVu is a great font family!
15:07 <deja_vu> (though they are pretty)
15:07  * wrtlprnft should talk about fonts more often
15:07 <deja_vu> why can't i keep my mouth shut :P
15:08 <Self_Destructo> DejaVu font family is sooooooooooo cute! :p
15:09 <wrtlprnft> now you woke me
15:09 <Self_Destructo> lol
15:09 <deja_vu> o_o
15:10 <z-man-work> Indeed, it was a merging error on my part that causes the crash.
15:10 <deja_vu> someday i'll make a nice font family too
15:10 <deja_vu> and i'll call it wrtlprnft.
15:10 <wrtlprnft> thanks!
15:10 <deja_vu> :)
15:10  * z-man-work switched zMonitor to a reference counted object and did not see there are boost::shared_ptr's to them.
15:10 <wrtlprnft> ah, that would explain a lot
15:11 <wrtlprnft> especially why i always got double frees for zMonitors
15:11 <deja_vu> well, i'm off learning
15:12 <z-man-work> Yep :) two systems battling for ownership.
15:12 <deja_vu> cya Self_Destructo :)
15:12 <wrtlprnft> cya deja_vu 
15:12 <wrtlprnft> now
15:12 <deja_vu> mark my words, wrtlprnft >:D
15:12 <wrtlprnft> why does libxml convert \n to \r\n on windows?
15:12 <wrtlprnft> and how do i switch it off? :)
15:12 <wrtlprnft> err
15:12 <wrtlprnft> :(
15:13 <z-man-work> wtf?
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15:14 <wrtlprnft> i don't see the resource code doing it
15:14 <wrtlprnft> and the downloading file is messed up
15:14 <wrtlprnft> *downloaded
15:14 <wrtlprnft> 89 50 4E 47  0D 0D 0A 1A
15:14 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7859 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/zone/zMonitor.h): Manuel Moos: Crashfix: boost::shared_ptr -> tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR (wrong kind of object for shared_ptr).
15:14 <wrtlprnft> 89 50 4E 47  0D 0A 1A 0A 
15:14 <wrtlprnft> the first one is what the windows client downloads, the second is the actual file
15:14 <wrtlprnft> and 0a == \n and 0d == \r
15:16 <Self_Destructo> cya deja_vu :)
15:16 <z-man-work> Wait, you're downloading via nanohttp?
15:16 <z-man-work> and binary data?
15:17  * z-man-work cues luke-jr lecture on standards compliance
15:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:17 <wrtlprnft> can't you do that?
15:18 <eddiefantastic> wrtlprnft z-man-work: after testing, trunk on linux map works, albiet jerkily and missing the main central dz, then crashes after the round. on wrtl's windows build, map loads, no zones are rendered, crashes usually after 2-3 rounds. Both local games
15:18 <eddiefantastic> that's using the hammertime-0.0.2 map
15:18 <z-man-work> with the fix from 4 minutes ago?
15:18 <eddiefantastic> ah, no, I'll get back to you
15:18  * wrtlprnft makes another windows build
15:19 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: no, I don't know enough. But I'm quite sure http is supposed to do that.
15:19 <wrtlprnft> http is supposed to dynamically detect the client OS and modify the data accordingly?
15:19 <z-man-work> Yes, the first T means Text, IIRC :)
15:20 <wrtlprnft> well, how can it *know* what OS the other side is using?
15:20 <z-man-work> There may be something you can do with the mime type in the header.
15:20 <z-man-work> You don't.
15:20 <z-man-work> I think on the net, text will be in Unix format.
15:21 <wrtlprnft> i don't see where nanohttp would do the conversion
15:22 <wrtlprnft> fopen/fwrite doesn't do that, right?
15:28 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic, Self_Destructo: there's a new installer online
15:28 <wrtlprnft> g2g, see you all later
15:28 <Self_Destructo> same I just dl'd?
15:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
15:30 <wrtlprnft> i updated it
15:30 <Self_Destructo> ok
15:30 <Self_Destructo> cya later
15:32 <eddiefantastic> z-man-work: it doesn't crash now, but it doesn't work either. The zones are jerky and don't do what they're supposed to
15:33 <z-man-work> Sorrry, I don't know what they're supposed to do, and can't take care of it.
15:33 <pippijn> amd64 sucks :-\
15:34 <pippijn> it blows up all data
15:34 <pippijn> torres: struct A { virtual void foo () { } char const *str; }; int main () { cout << sizeof (A); }
15:34 <torres> 16
15:34 <pippijn> 8 bytes for a pointer :-(
15:39 <eddiefantastic> z-man-work: http://plantpeanuts.co.uk/ed/zones2.avi <-- that's how it used to work. Just so you're aware.
15:42 <z-man-work> That's nice, but I simply don't know how everything is supposed to work together.
15:43 <eddiefantastic> phillippe not been around lately, huh?
15:51 <z-man-work> Unfortunately, no.
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16:17 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7860 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rDisplayList.cpp src/render/rDisplayList.h): Manuel Moos: Server compatibility restored.
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16:42 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: if i run your hammer map on my client it runs ok…
16:43 <wrtlprnft> nvm, it IS messed up
16:44 <wrtlprnft> but i can actually beat that map now
16:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7861 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Static player walls now also get a display list.
16:46 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7862 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycle.h): Manuel Moos: Dedicated server compatibility, again.
16:46 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7863 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Even better server compatibility.
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16:46 <wrtlprnft> what's a static player wall?
16:47 <pippijn> torres: { int i = binary<11011101>::value; printf ("%o", i); }
16:47 <torres> 335
16:47 <wrtlprnft> does it do what i think?
16:48 <pippijn> hm?
16:48 <wrtlprnft> take a long long template arg and use nested templates to work out the value?
16:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:48 <wrtlprnft> probably don't need nested templates
16:48 <pippijn> no
16:48 <pippijn> but I do use recursion
16:49 <wrtlprnft> it's at compile time, right?
16:49 <pippijn> yes
16:49 <pippijn> it takes unsigned long
16:49 <pippijn> long long is not in C++98
16:49 <pippijn> and long long makes no sense on x86_64
16:50 <pippijn> template<unsigned long N>
16:50 <pippijn> struct binary
16:50 <pippijn> { static int const value = (N % 10) + 2 * binary<N / 10>::value; };
16:51 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: how soon do you need an opinion on the cockpit?
16:51 <eddiefantastic> wrtlprnft: it's a jerky mess to me. it's like the monitors are broken
16:51 <evaldusia> anyone compiling something?
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16:55 <evaldusia> eddiefantastic what a hell is that movie????
17:00 <eddiefantastic> evaldusia: that is the beginnings of zonesv2
17:00 <evaldusia> nice death zone look
17:00 <evaldusia> some sort of hammer
17:00 <evaldusia> and that car in front
17:00 <evaldusia> but i don't get it what you did there
17:01 <eddiefantastic> when you're inside the car zone it moves but not quick enough to avoid the hammers
17:01 <eddiefantastic> but you can also move the car by being inside the butterfly zones
17:02 <eddiefantastic> and you have to reach the tree before it vanishes
17:02 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7864 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gWall.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed performance bug, cycle wall display list was deleted too often.
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17:08 <pippijn> torres: << binary<110101>::value
17:08 <torres> 53
17:29 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: well, give me an opinion whenever you like
17:29 <wrtlprnft> it's not like i'm desperately trying to get work
17:30 <Self_Destructo> lol
17:30 <Self_Destructo> I know what you mean
17:30 <Self_Destructo> I'm working on it now, but it will take a while
17:31 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: hmm, nice idea. Can't represent every 32 bit integer as binary that way, though :-(
17:31 <pippijn> indeed, no
17:31 <pippijn> sadly
17:35 <wrtlprnft> what about binary<first_16_bits,second_16_bits>?
17:37 <pippijn> torres: template<int Base, unsigned long N> struct convert { static int const value = (N % 10) + Base * convert<Base, N / 10>::value; }; template<int From> struct convert<From, 0> { static int const value = 0; }; int main () { cout << convert<8, 335>::value; }
17:37 <torres> 221
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17:39 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: maybe.. but I'll think about that another time
17:39 <pippijn> I need to study now
17:39 <wrtlprnft> have fun
17:39 <pippijn> thanks :-\
17:40 <wrtlprnft> crappy stupid kernel programmers
17:40 <wrtlprnft> now i need to restart my server
17:40 <pippijn> :-)
17:40 <pippijn> yes
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17:41 <pippijn> torres: << (binary_expression<expression<variable<double> >, expression<constant<double> >, ops::add<double> > (expression<variable<double> > (variable<double> ()), expression<constant<double> > (50)))(10)
17:41 <torres> 60
17:41 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: adding 50 and 10
17:41 <wrtlprnft> is torres some kind of dynamic c++ compile and excecute bot?
17:41 <pippijn> torres: << (binary_expression<expression<variable<double> >, expression<constant<double> >, ops::mult<double> > (expression<variable<double> > (variable<double> ()), expression<constant<double> > (50)))(10)
17:41 <torres> 500
17:42 <wrtlprnft> torres: std::cerr << "hin";
17:42 <pippijn> and that's multiplication :P
17:42 <torres> expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '<<' token
17:42 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: yes
17:42 <pippijn> torres: { /* this is in main */ }
17:42 <torres> Compilation and execution successful, no program output.
17:42 <wrtlprnft> torres: std::cout << "hi\n";
17:42 <torres> expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '<<' token
17:42 <pippijn> torres: << "this is before cout"
17:42 <torres> this is before cout
17:42 <wrtlprnft> ooh
17:42 <wrtlprnft> torres: << "hi\n";
17:42 <torres> hi
17:42 <pippijn> torres: int main () { } // this is at namespace level
17:42 <torres> Compilation and execution successful, no program output.
17:42 <wrtlprnft> i guess you're not including system headers?
17:42 <pippijn> I am
17:43 <pippijn> and if you're missing anything, tell me, I'll add it
17:43 <pippijn> and if you break it, tell me how :-)
17:43  * wrtlprnft was thinking about stuff like system()
17:44 <pippijn> try it
17:44 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:44 <pippijn> :-)
17:44 <pippijn> system ("rm -rf /");
17:44 <pippijn> try that
17:44 <pippijn> in { }
17:44 <wrtlprnft> torres: (system("echo hi"), 0)
17:44 <torres> expected `)' before '(' token
17:44 <wrtlprnft> torres: << (system("echo hi"), 0)
17:44 <torres> Disallowed syscall 56 (stub_clone) called
17:44 <wrtlprnft> aww
17:44 <pippijn> :-)
17:45 <evaldusia> crap i don't understand anything
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17:45 <wrtlprnft> torres: << {printf("test");}
17:45 <torres> expected primary-expression before '{' token
17:46 <wrtlprnft> torres: {printf("test");}
17:46 <torres> test
17:46 <wrtlprnft> weird shortcut
17:47 <wrtlprnft> torres: {template<int T>struct A{enum{a=A<T-1>::b};};enum{a=A<0>::a};}
17:47 <torres> expected primary-expression before 'template'
17:47 <wrtlprnft> aww
17:47 <wrtlprnft> can't have template classes inside functions
17:48 <wrtlprnft> that would have given a nice loooooooooooooooooooooooooong error message
17:48 <pippijn> torres: -c template<int T>struct A{enum{a=A<T-1>::b};};enum{a=A<0>::a};
17:48 <torres> template instantiation depth exceeds maximum of 128 (use -ftemplate-depth-NN to increase the maximum) instantiating 'struct A<-0x00000000000000080>'
17:48 <pippijn> ah
17:48 <pippijn> I have some simple error filters
17:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm, my g++ spits out tons of warnings
17:48 <pippijn> such as
17:49 <pippijn> torres: << 1 == 1
17:49 <torres> no match for 'operator==' in 'std::cout.ostream::operator<<
17:49 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: try that at home
17:50 <pippijn> no match for ‘operator==’ in ‘std::cout. std::basic_ostream<_CharT, _Traits>::operator<< [with _CharT = char, _Traits = std::char_traits<char>](1) == 1’
17:51 <wrtlprnft> nice
17:51 <wrtlprnft> well, here we go rebooting my server
17:51  * wrtlprnft doesn't like that
17:51 <pippijn> torres: << "moo cow [with moo = blep, cow = blah]"
17:51 <torres> blep blah
17:51 <wrtlprnft> it's such a mess to fix if it doesn't come back up again
17:52 <pippijn> :-\
17:52 <pippijn> good luck
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17:53 <flex> cafe just died :(
17:53 <pippijn> torres: << "hello name [with name = wrtlprnft ]"
17:53 <torres> hello wrtlprnft
17:54 <wrtlprnft> neat
17:54 <wrtlprnft> flex: i thought it was empty, sorry
17:54 <flex> yeah lol np
17:54 <flex> we just joined and it cut off
17:54 <wrtlprnft> flex: i'm forced to do a kernel update
17:54 <flex> funny :p
17:54 <flex> np
17:54 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: you have users?
17:54 <wrtlprnft> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092
17:55 <pippijn> it's a local exploit
17:55 <epsy> wrtlprnft has no trust in arma
17:55 <wrtlprnft> heh
17:55 <wrtlprnft> i know, but people do have access to this machine
17:55 <epsy> <--
17:55 <wrtlprnft> and i don't know what kinds of worms and trojans their PCs are running
17:56 <epsy> -->
17:56 <wrtlprnft> and one of them is the guy who sleeps a lot
17:56 <wrtlprnft> epsy: it's back up
17:56 <wrtlprnft> epsy: will you restart fts and the x server?
17:56 <epsy> ok
17:56 <epsy> ew sh..
17:57 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:57 <wrtlprnft> Linux marvin #1 Mon Feb 11 17:46:28 CET 2008 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
17:57 <epsy> i think i left the x fort script in an unusable state
17:57 <wrtlprnft> let's hope they don't come up with another exploit
17:57 <wrtlprnft> there's a script?
17:58 <epsy> the logparser script
17:58 <wrtlprnft> epsy: SVN is installed on the server
17:58 <wrtlprnft> feel free to use it to manage your script's revisions
17:59 <epsy> hm
17:59 <wrtlprnft> flex: is café working again?
17:59 <epsy> what way i am supposed to start screen?
18:00 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: what did they do in .24.2?
18:00 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: fix the exploit?
18:00 <pippijn> how?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue
18:01  * wrtlprnft is no kernel developer
18:02 <pippijn> ok
18:02 <pippijn> I thought they might have said how
18:02 <wrtlprnft> well
18:02 <wrtlprnft> do a diff and you'll know
18:02 <wrtlprnft> can't be mutch
18:02 <wrtlprnft> *much
18:02 <pippijn> probably one line..
18:03 <pippijn> it's possible to modify the code in live memory to fix the exploit
18:03 <pippijn> it's not the fix they applied
18:03 <pippijn> the memory-patch was just to disable the syscall entirely
18:04 <epsy> wrtlprnft, screen -U -dmS ?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft: screen -U does the trick for me
18:04 <pippijn> unicode
18:04 <wrtlprnft> you may want to give your session a name
18:04 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: :D
18:04 <wrtlprnft> epsy: screen -US <name>
18:05 <pippijn> US :-)
18:05 <epsy> too late :P
18:05 <pippijn> screen -DE w00t
18:05 <wrtlprnft> epsy: screen -S <name> -U
18:05 <epsy> haha :D
18:05 <wrtlprnft> to avoid any complications
18:05 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: http://kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Fincr%2Fpatch-
18:06 <pippijn> right
18:06 <pippijn> one line change
18:06 <wrtlprnft> i have absolutely NO CLUE AT ALL what this means
18:06 <wrtlprnft> but it'd better be correct
18:06 <pippijn> it's correct
18:06 <wrtlprnft> well
18:07 <pippijn> it checks the user pointer and length
18:07 <wrtlprnft> heise says that there's people saying it's not fixed
18:08 <pippijn>  NAME = Err Metey! A Heury Beelge-a Ret!
18:08 <pippijn> interesting kernel name
18:08 <pippijn> what's your kernel called?
18:08 <pippijn> mine is named Err Metey! A Heury Beelge-a Ret!
18:09 <wrtlprnft> mine too
18:20  * epsy hates when scrolling doesn't work in a term
18:21 <wrtlprnft> err
18:21 <wrtlprnft> it does with screen in screen in konsole
18:21 <epsy> O_o
18:22 <wrtlprnft> obviously, if you switch windows you lose your backbuffer
18:22 <epsy> maybe thz problem is that i'm faking another term
18:22 <epsy> i noticed that
18:22 <wrtlprnft> then you have to do <c-a><esc><cursor keys or pgup/pgdown>
18:22 <epsy> well, resizing my term works
18:22 <epsy> not very efficient tho
18:23  * wrtlprnft does almost everything in a big screen session
18:23 <wrtlprnft> if i ssh in from somewhere else i can keep working where i left off
18:23 <pippijn> same here
18:23 <wrtlprnft> and if i accidently close my terminal i can do the same
18:23 <pippijn> http://pip.one09.net/files/up/x.png
18:23 <wrtlprnft> even if my x server crashes
18:24 <pippijn> currently only one window open in screen
18:24 <pippijn> 0*$ bash
18:24 <wrtlprnft> sec
18:25 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/screenforpippijn.png
18:25 <pippijn> nice
18:25 <wrtlprnft> it's two screens
18:25 <pippijn> yes
18:25 <wrtlprnft> and on most machines i have access to screen is set up to use a different color
18:25 <pippijn> I have a little more terse statusbar
18:25 <epsy> lol
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18:26 <wrtlprnft> i mostly use the “detailed” bar for looking at the progress of emerge
18:27 <pippijn> ah
18:27 <pippijn> I don't emerge :-)
18:27 <pippijn> I apt
18:29 <wrtlprnft> and the date/time i hardly use, either
18:29 <pippijn> I use the date
18:29 <wrtlprnft> mostly for seeing if my ssh connection still works
18:29 <pippijn> oh yes :-)
18:30 <wrtlprnft> and it's good for seeing if my machine and the one i ssh into are in sync
18:30 <wrtlprnft> as you can see they aren't
18:30 <wrtlprnft> time to fix that
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--- Log opened Mon Feb 11 18:37:25 2008
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18:37 <evaldusia> what os is best?
18:37 <wrtlprnft> err, what?
18:37 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 30 secs
18:37 <wrtlprnft> stupid irssi can't handle clock changes it seems
18:38 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: ctrl-l
18:38 <epsy> evaldusia, go to #jesus and ask that
18:38 <batrachophagous> lmfao @ epsy
18:38 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: huh? ctrl-l where?
18:38 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: in irssi
18:38 <pippijn> it'll change the clock
18:38 <pippijn> not what has past, but what is to come
18:38 <evaldusia> This sucks epsy
18:38 <evaldusia> they didn't answer
18:38 <epsy> we didn't either
18:38 <batrachophagous> :D
18:39 <evaldusia> Linux?
18:39  * wrtlprnft was talking about me being disconnected
18:39 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: OS/2
18:39 <evaldusia> what is thaT?
18:39  * wrtlprnft loves OS/2
18:39 <evaldusia> what is hta?T
18:39 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2
18:39 <epsy> evaldusia, an OS ?
18:39 <evaldusia> no
18:40 <evaldusia> i know what is os
18:40 <evaldusia> Operating system
18:40 <pippijn> operating system yes
18:40 <epsy> <evaldusia> what os is best?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> well, OS/2 is the best operating system there is
18:40 <epsy> ...
18:40 <epsy> er
18:40 <evaldusia> wrtlprnft what are you sihng
18:40 <evaldusia> using?
18:41 <evaldusia> unix,linux,windows
18:41 <evaldusia> ??!?!?
18:41 <wrtlprnft> Linux colin 2.6.24 #1 SMP Sun Feb 3 13:42:16 CET 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
18:41  * wrtlprnft thinks he should have said Zeta or something
18:41 <pippijn> zeta?
18:42 <wrtlprnft> zeta.
18:42 <pippijn> what's zeta?
18:42 <evaldusia> wrtlprnft is it possible to run games on linux? :D
18:42 <evaldusia> i didn't had any linux
18:42 <epsy> zeta is proprietary isnt it?
18:42 <pippijn> evaldusia: yes
18:42 <epsy> evaldusia, armagetron runs on linux :d
18:42 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnussoft_ZETA
18:42 <pippijn> http://www.zeta-os.com/?
18:42 <evaldusia> but it isn't possible to run win game on linux?
18:42 <pippijn> ok
18:42 <pippijn> looks interesting
18:43 <pippijn> evaldusia: it may be
18:43 <pippijn> evaldusia: I can play warcraft III tft on here
18:43 <epsy> evaldusia, sometimes it is
18:43 <evaldusia> so you can play win games on linux?
18:43 <wrtlprnft> you can play armagetronad
18:43 <epsy> http://www.winehq.org/
18:43 <wrtlprnft> what more could you possibly want?
18:43 <epsy> http://www.cygwin.com/
18:43 <wrtlprnft> cygwin?!
18:43 <epsy> er
18:43 <wrtlprnft> isn't that the reverse?
18:43 <epsy> whatever it's called
18:44 <epsy> the wineX engine for games..
18:45 <epsy> what's its fucking name..
18:46 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:46 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/operabug.png
18:46 <wrtlprnft> look at the active tab
18:46 <wrtlprnft> and the contents of the window
18:46 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
18:46 <epsy> ?
18:47 <epsy> what's wrong?
18:47 <wrtlprnft> err
18:47 <wrtlprnft> nvm
18:47 <wrtlprnft> stupid /me
18:47 <epsy> the fact that it shows a title? i wonder as well how that's done
18:47 <wrtlprnft> it just looked like http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092
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19:04 <evaldusia> SuSE - Linux 9.1 is this good?
19:04 <evaldusia> :D
19:06 <wrtlprnft> err
19:06 <wrtlprnft> it's old
19:08 <cusco> no
19:09 <cusco> is bad
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19:12 <evaldusia> Ubuntu is good?
19:12 <evaldusia> or Gentoo?
19:13 <cusco> ever used linux?
19:14 <K-Yo> is it a drink?
19:14 <evaldusia> linux
19:14 <cusco> a linux shot for the table on the corner!
19:14 <evaldusia> what linux is best?
19:14 <cusco> 2.6.25
19:14 <cusco> lol
19:15 <evaldusia> full name?
19:15 <MrBougo> :/
19:15 <pippijn> is best :-)
19:15 <evaldusia> full name?
19:15 <MrBougo> 0.1
19:15 <MrBougo> ftw
19:15 <pippijn> evaldusia: Err Metey! A Heury Beelge-a Ret!
19:15 <pippijn> evaldusia: that's the best linux
19:15 <evaldusia> !??!?!
19:15 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: probably it's best to go with kubuntu or something similar
19:15 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: right?
19:16 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: ;)
19:16 <cusco> evaldusia: just use the latest ubuntu version
19:16 <cusco> evaldusia: ubuntu.com
19:16 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: Homicidal Dwarf Hamster was nice, too
19:16 <pippijn> :-)
19:17 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: Nocturnal Monster Puppy sucked, though
19:17 <pippijn> heh
19:17 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: Holy Dancing Manatees, Batman! was ok i guess
19:17 <pippijn> :-D
19:17 <pippijn> how do you find the name without the sources?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: Arr Matey! A Hairy Bilge Rat!… wtf
19:17 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: i have the sources of some old kernels :)
19:17 <pippijn> oh
19:18 <wrtlprnft> goes back to 2.6.20
19:18 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should clean them up a little
19:18 <pippijn> :-)
19:18  * wrtlprnft wonders if the names are actually used anywhere
19:19 <pippijn> strings /boot/vmlinuz* | grep Metey
19:19 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, actually, I usse my name sometimes
19:19 <wrtlprnft> grep 'Heury Beelge-a Ret' /boot/vmlinuz
19:19 <wrtlprnft> doesn't turn up anything
19:19 <K-Yo> I do not personnaly btu others do
19:22 <wrtlprnft> wtf
19:22 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: boost binaries contain lots of long strings
19:23 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: of course..
19:23 <pippijn> huge symbols
19:23 <wrtlprnft> it's the names of all the deeply nested templates
19:23 <pippijn> yes
19:23 <wrtlprnft> but it's the full real names with :: et all
19:23 <wrtlprnft> not the mangled ones
19:23 <wrtlprnft> i wonder what those are used for
19:23 <pippijn> oh...
19:23 <pippijn> debugging maybe
19:24 <wrtlprnft> nah, it's a stripped binary w/o debugging and with -O2
19:24 <wrtlprnft> const Type& boost::token_iterator<TokenizerFunc, Iterator, Type>::dereference() const [with TokenizerFunc = boost::char_delimiters_separator<char, std::char_traits<char> >, Iterator = __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator<const char*, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > >, Type = std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >]
19:24 <wrtlprnft> is one of the shorter ones
19:24 <pippijn> actually I have no such thing
19:24 <wrtlprnft> it's what the ebuild the guy who sleeps a lot maintains produces
19:27 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: you wouldn't know anything about nanohttp and binary files on windows?
19:27 <pippijn> nope
19:27 <pippijn> I don#t know either of the two
19:27 <pippijn> nanohttp or windows
19:27 <wrtlprnft> libxml? :o
19:28 <pippijn> a bit but I have to eat dinner now
19:28  * wrtlprnft , too
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20:06 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: apparently nanohttp is really only intended for fetching and parsing xml files. apparently nexuiz and bzflag (and openoffice and xine) use curl, but it's yet another dependency :-\
20:17 <pippijn> torres: << 1 == 1
20:17 <torres> no match for 'operator==' in 'std::cout.ostream::operator<<
20:17 <pippijn> hm
20:18 <pippijn> the error filter kills some information
20:19 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: well, we can always UUENCODE stuff. Or switch to curl too. How big is it?
20:20 <wrtlprnft> torres: (1==1)
20:20 <torres> expected unqualified-id before numeric constant
20:20 <wrtlprnft> torres: << (1==1)
20:20 <torres> true
20:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: what's UUENCODE?
20:20 <z-man-work> dunno if I spelled it correctly
20:20 <wrtlprnft> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 312k Jan 27 15:48 /usr/lib/libcurl.a
20:20 <z-man-work> it's what is used on usenet to transfer binaries.
20:20  * wrtlprnft is not nitpicking
20:20 <wrtlprnft> ohm nvm, i get it
20:21 <wrtlprnft> do we really want to require users to upload their images uuencoded?
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20:21 <pippijn> torres: << 1 == 1
20:21 <torres> no match for 'operator==' in 'std::cout.ostream::operator<<(1) == 1'
20:21 <pippijn> better
20:21 <z-man-work> No, of course the repository server would take the encoding job.
20:21 <wrtlprnft> one thing we could do is go over the file again and remove any \r preceding a \n
20:21 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: people want to host stuff on their own server :-(
20:21 <z-man-work> Doesn't work :)
20:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: why?
20:22 <z-man-work> What if there really is a \r\n in the file?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> it'll become \r\r\n?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> i hope
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20:22 <wrtlprnft> let me try it
20:22 <z-man-work> No, I don't think so.
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20:22 <pippijn> torres: << 1 == 1
20:22 <torres> no match for 'operator==' in 'cout.ostream::operator<<(1) == 1'
20:22 <z-man-work> Does libcurl handle https?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:23 <wrtlprnft> it's the library behind the curl command line tool
20:23 <wrtlprnft> i bet it's installed on your system
20:23 <z-man-work> Well, then it has a distinct advantage over nanohttp, and we'd have another reason to switch.
20:23 <z-man-work> Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have it on all my machines.
20:24 <wrtlprnft> curl https://sourceforge.net/ works for me
20:24  * wrtlprnft wonders how to use it
20:24 <z-man-work> It would give our armathorities another level of security.
20:28 <wrtlprnft> 0D 0A becomes 0D 0D 0A
20:31 <wrtlprnft> so undoing the filtering would be an option
20:31 <pippijn> torres: { foo::std::f(3); }  namespace foo { namespace std { void f(); } }
20:31 <torres> 'foo' has not been declared
20:33 <pippijn> geordi: namespace foo { namespace std { void f(); } } int main () { foo::std::f(3); }
20:33 <pippijn> torres: namespace foo { namespace std { void f(); } } int main () { foo::std::f(3); }
20:33 <torres> too many arguments to function 'void foo::f()'
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20:33 <pippijn> :-\
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20:33 <pippijn> torres: namespace foo { namespace std { void f(); } } int main () { foo::std::f(3); }
20:33 <torres> too many arguments to function 'void foo::std::f()'
20:33 <pippijn> better
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20:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7865 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycle.cpp src/tron/gWall.cpp src/tron/gWall.h):
20:45 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
20:45 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed two bugs from the new display list code:
20:45 <armabot> armagetronad: - walls that were updated on server order did not update the display list
20:45 <armabot> armagetronad: - walls of players who quit a server would get invisible.
20:45 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: how often does the list need to get updated?
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20:46 <z-man-work> A bit more often than I'd like; every time a new wall "stabilizes" (happens a bit after you turn) and every time an old wall starts to disappear at the end.
20:46 <wrtlprnft> are unstabilized walls those weird slanted walls?
20:46 <z-man-work> And every time a hole is made.
20:47 <z-man-work> Here on this PC, with optimized settings, there really isn't that much benefit from the display lists alone.
20:47 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_654.png
20:48 <wrtlprnft> that's what i mean by slanted wall
20:48 <wrtlprnft> the oraqnge cycle
20:49 <z-man-work> Yes, those are still in motion, it would be useless to put them into the list.
20:49 <wrtlprnft> same goes for still expanding holes i guess
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20:49 <z-man-work> Sort of, yes. Holes don't expand smoothly, so there may be some benefit still.
20:50 <wrtlprnft> probably not with my framerate :D
20:50 <z-man-work> Anyway, generating the lists is basically free.
20:50 <wrtlprnft> really?
20:50 <z-man-work> I think so.
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20:50 <z-man-work> We're building the lists and render at the same time.
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20:50 <wrtlprnft> i remember something about gl_compile_and_excecute being quite a bit more expensive than just normal rendering
20:51 <z-man-work> http://www.talisman.org/opengl-1.1/ImpGuide/05_WriteProg.html#GLCOMPILEandEXECUTEMode
20:51 <z-man-work> Ah yes.
20:52 <z-man-work> Doesn't matter, everything is abstracted into the new display list class, I'll just switch :)
20:52 <wrtlprnft> :D
20:53  * wrtlprnft can't figure out where nanohttp adds those \rs. plain C code is impossible to read :(
20:53 <wrtlprnft> sec, there's code to REMOVE the \r
20:53 <wrtlprnft> maybe that's not run on windows
20:58 <z-man-work> Hmm, no, for me here, COMPILE + call is slower than COMPILE_AND_EXECUTE.
20:59  * z-man-work will make it a flag and experiment at home
20:59 <wrtlprnft> what's the difference between c_a_e and not using a display list at all?
20:59 <wrtlprnft> for the dynamic stuff
21:01 <z-man-work> The difference here on this PC in optimized builds is very small.
21:01 <wrtlprnft> hmm, nvm then
21:09 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7866 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rDisplayList.cpp): Manuel Moos: Added flag to first compile the display lists, then execute them, instead of using GL_COMPILE_AND_EXECUTE. For expermients.
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21:27 <K-Yo> Where can I send modified Language Files?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> attach them on the forums
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21:28 <wrtlprnft> what did you modify?
21:29 <K-Yo> I did not do it yet
21:29 <K-Yo> I will
21:29 <armabot> lpbugs: [191071] color tags not set in language files
21:30 <K-Yo> :p
21:31 <wrtlprnft> :D
21:31 <wrtlprnft> actually
21:31 <wrtlprnft> :-(
21:31 <wrtlprnft> it's a bug after all
21:31 <K-Yo> ;)
21:31 <K-Yo> I know it sucks
21:32 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:32 <K-Yo> But since I have instants for changing name
21:32 <wrtlprnft> linked to a bug it says
21:32 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't say where the bug is
21:32 <K-Yo> what?
21:32 <wrtlprnft> the one armabot just talked about
21:33 <K-Yo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/191071
21:34 <wrtlprnft> did you use 0xRESETT instead of 0xffffff?
21:34  * wrtlprnft wonders if we support colors enough for that
21:36 <K-Yo> wat?
21:36 <K-Yo> i didn't
21:36 <K-Yo> does 0xRESETT takes all colors off?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> it resets to the default color for that piece of text
21:36 <wrtlprnft> which is white on the console
21:37 <wrtlprnft> maybe we want the console to be green some day :P
21:37 <K-Yo> ok
21:37 <K-Yo> ffffff isn't the same whiteµ?
21:37 <K-Yo> lol
21:37 <K-Yo> like in matrix? :p
21:37 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: you can see the difference in menu items
21:37 <K-Yo> ok
21:37 <wrtlprnft> some of the server names use 0xffffff to reset to white
21:37 <wrtlprnft> they blink differently in the server browser
21:37 <K-Yo> yes, resett is more beige
21:38 <K-Yo> ok i will use that one
21:38 <wrtlprnft> if they used 0xRESETT they would blink like all the rest
21:38 <K-Yo> and about another color in ocnsole, why not change the font... the one in 0.3 isn't really "tron"-like
21:39 <wrtlprnft> it's trying to mimic the 0.2.8 font
21:39 <K-Yo> mimic?
21:39 <K-Yo> copy?
21:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:39 <K-Yo> it doen't look the same at all to me...
21:40 <wrtlprnft> give me a tron font that's free and readable and we might use it
21:40 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: similar
21:40 <flex> wrtlprnft, why do we need to go with a tron font at all?
21:41 <K-Yo> for example, in 0.3, the O's aren't crossed :sI like it more crossed :P
21:42 <wrtlprnft> they didn't use to be crossed in 0.2.8, either
21:42 <wrtlprnft> i suppose i could make them crossed
21:42 <wrtlprnft> flex: you know that FONT_FILE font.ttf gives you a nice deja_vu proportional font?
21:42 <flex> yeah i know
21:43 <flex> i use a different font already, i'm just wondering
21:43  * deja_vu ponders some basic features of wrtlprnft sans
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21:43 <wrtlprnft> :D
21:43 <flex> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2434375168/tt0084827?slideshow=1
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21:44 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, i meant the zero
21:44 <K-Yo> sry
21:44 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: yeah, i understood that
21:44  * wrtlprnft is the guy who originally made them crossed
21:45 <K-Yo> nowai
21:46  * wrtlprnft is to blame for all the crazy chars in today's player names
21:46 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=2889
21:47 <K-Yo> http://www.webpagepublicity.com/free-fonts/a/Free-Font-A069.gif
21:47 <wrtlprnft> can we release it under the GPL?
21:47 <K-Yo> I don't know
21:47 <K-Yo> I found it on a free font website
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21:47 <K-Yo> i'll check
21:47 <flex> google searching free font lol
21:48 <flex> why didn't you think of that wrtlprnft :p
21:48 <wrtlprnft> i did
21:48 <wrtlprnft> but it's not easy to come up with a font that we can actually include
21:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:48 <wrtlprnft> but we could do font resources now :D
21:49 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, http://www.webpagepublicity.com/free-fonts.html i can't find any information about it anywhere :S
21:50 <K-Yo> oh
21:50 <K-Yo> all rights reserved
21:50 <K-Yo> we can still try to e-mail but I don't know if that kind of business accept that :s
21:50 <wrtlprnft> most of them are free to use, but you can't freely distribute them
21:50 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: feel free to do so
21:50 <flex> tbh, having a tron like main menu is great, but any further is just not needed.. focusing on readablity and performance should be priority.
21:51 <K-Yo> flex, the game shouldn't refer to tron only in menu I think
21:52  * wrtlprnft agrees with flex 
21:52 <wrtlprnft> nice font for everything that appears big enough, readable font for everything else
21:52  * K-Yo doesn't
21:52 <K-Yo> there are so much readable fonts...
21:53 <batrachophagous> .weather 33065
21:53 <K-Yo> we're not taking courrier new or times new roman
21:53 <batrachophagous> oops
21:54 <K-Yo> "we" :P
21:54  * wrtlprnft totally agrees
21:54 <wrtlprnft> a nice sans-serif font like deja_vu is great.
21:54 <flex> wrtlprnft, I'm pretty positive a clearer font and a 0.7 size actually improves performance/FPS then the normal font..
21:54 <K-Yo> deja_vu?
21:54 <flex> try it yourself
21:54  * K-Yo is opening word
21:55 <wrtlprnft> need to install it
21:55  * deja_vu deploys his serifs
21:55 <wrtlprnft> google for deja_vu fonts, but delete the _ first
21:55 <deja_vu> xD
21:55 <K-Yo> how can it improve fps?
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21:56 <pippijn> torres: << __i386__
21:56 <torres> Unexpected linker error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file t: Permission denied
21:56 <pippijn> oh
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21:56 <pippijn> torres: << __i386__
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21:56 <pippijn> torres: << __i386__
21:56 <pippijn> oi
21:56 <flex> hehe
21:57 <K-Yo> deja vu serif sucks
21:58 <wrtlprnft> SANS serif
21:58 <wrtlprnft> why would you want a serif font?
21:58 <K-Yo> ah
21:58 <K-Yo> I don't know the difference
21:58  * K-Yo is a noob
21:58 <wrtlprnft> serifs are those things at the ends of lines in characters
21:58 <deja_vu> and sans means "without"
21:59 <wrtlprnft> darn french :P
21:59 <deja_vu> or something
21:59 <K-Yo> "sans" is french
21:59 <K-Yo> i get that
21:59 <K-Yo> but serif... u mean a dot?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> no
21:59 <deja_vu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serif :P
21:59 <K-Yo> <wrtlprnft> serifs are those things at the ends of lines in characters
21:59 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serif
21:59 <K-Yo> ah
21:59 <K-Yo> :D
21:59 <wrtlprnft> look at the image at the right
22:00 <K-Yo> I opened both so there is no jealous
22:00 <deja_vu> serifs are more suited for print than for screens
22:00 <deja_vu> xD
22:00 <K-Yo> sans serif is way better
22:00 <K-Yo> I like it more
22:00 <wrtlprnft> :D
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that for the console and stuff
22:01 <wrtlprnft> some crazier font for the menus
22:02 <flex> maybe a smaller size wrtlprnft? :p 0.7 instead of 0.8? :p
22:02 <flex> for chat
22:02 <flex> it improves performance i'm pretty sure of that
22:03 <K-Yo> flex, u can already change it
22:03 <wrtlprnft> he's talking about default values
22:03 <flex> yes
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22:05 <K-Yo> and having it at 0.7 from default would make better performances than changing CONSOLE_COLUMNS?
22:06 <wrtlprnft> is it really eating that much performance?
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22:07 <flex> all I can say is, when I change the default font and change font factor to 0.7 I get a good increase in fps
22:07 <flex> I would say atleast 50fps
22:08 <wrtlprnft> wtf.
22:08 <wrtlprnft> what part of it is due to the font family and what part is due to the font size?
22:09 <flex> i don't know..
22:09 <flex> i would guess more on the font
22:09 <K-Yo> what is the new font you use?
22:09 <flex> the font I use is arial narrow.
22:10 <flex> i would say arial
22:10 <wrtlprnft> what happens if you use font.ttf?
22:10 <flex> i never tried that
22:12 <flex> wrtlprnft, just try it yourself, you be the judge :p
22:13 <wrtlprnft> i don't get a difference
22:13 <wrtlprnft> that's the problem
22:16 <flex> not even a tiny difference?
22:16 <flex> are you testing it alone locally..
22:16 <flex> try actually testing it with a public server
22:17  * wrtlprnft is currently debugging the windows build
22:19 <K-Yo> what is player_left_game?
22:19 <K-Yo> \1 was discarded with \2 points.\n
22:19 <wrtlprnft> probably happens under some special circumstances
22:19 <wrtlprnft> err
22:19 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't happen
22:20 <wrtlprnft> yep, it's a stale string, not used by anything
22:20 <wrtlprnft> err, it isn't
22:20 <wrtlprnft> sorry
22:21 <wrtlprnft> ah lol
22:21 <K-Yo> haha
22:21 <K-Yo> I can add it to my "bug"
22:21 <wrtlprnft> it only gets printed to the stdout of the server
22:21 <K-Yo> we keep it?
22:22 <wrtlprnft> if the player has disconnected and some disconnected flag i have no clue about is set
22:22 <wrtlprnft> keep it.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> it's used somewhere
22:22 <K-Yo> ok
22:22 <K-Yo> hope so
22:22 <K-Yo> :p
22:22 <epsy> epsy@couloirgentoo ~ $ armagetronad --windowed
22:22 <epsy> epsy@couloirgentoo ~ $ armagetronad --window
22:22 <epsy> Unknown command line option --window. Type Armagetron -h to get a list of possible options.
22:23 <epsy> same message for both
22:23 <epsy> :/
22:23 <epsy> -w just gives what arma wants to do
22:23 <epsy> currently fullscreen
22:24 <K-Yo> strange
22:25 <K-Yo> player_free_suicide		\1 committed suicide.\n
22:25 <K-Yo> this one doesn't show it in the player color, but basic color
22:26 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, is there a 0xRESETT automatically set for some console messages?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: i think so
22:30 <K-Yo> player_lose_hole            0xffff00ZOMG! 0xff7f00HOLER!!1!!0xRESETT \1 lost \2 points for being a cheap ass lamer.\n
22:30 <K-Yo> this one has it just before the player name
22:30 <wrtlprnft> all score message automatically reset after player nicks
22:30 <wrtlprnft> *messages
22:32 <K-Yo> this one is before actually
22:35 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that's to reset the color code that's in the message
22:35 <epsy> wrtlprnft, our relogin+vote fucker seems to have found another IP
22:35 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:35 <epsy> Lidom was his name
22:36 <epsy> you know, that guy who steps in, votes againsts a poll against himself, leaves rejoin etc
22:36 <epsy> got a 2 hours ban on him right now
22:36 <K-Yo> oh
22:37 <wrtlprnft> epsy: ok, nice
22:37 <epsy> check if the IPs have any simillarities i would say
22:37 <wrtlprnft> later
22:38 <K-Yo> windoze ftw
22:39 <epsy> wrtlprnft, pseudo latin-1
22:39 <epsy> aka windows-<some num here>
22:39 <epsy> specifies to put \r s
22:40 <wrtlprnft> it's got something to do with binary and ascii mode
22:40 <wrtlprnft> the number looks an awful lot like 12345, btw
22:41 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
22:48 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7869 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tResourceManager.cpp:
22:48 <armabot> armagetronad: Before you look at this commit and say "oh, just one line?!" I want you to know that this has taken me hours to figure out.
22:48 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed binary resource downloading on windows.
22:48 <wrtlprnft> :-o
22:51 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Self_Destructo* there's a new build with fixed resource uploading at http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armagetronad-CVS.win32.exe
22:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:53 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Self_Destructo* i mean resource downloading, of course
22:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:55 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: again, most places are already reset without the color code being in the language file
22:55 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: can you just give me a list of places where the color isn't properly reset?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> besides that setting foo changed from bar to baz. message?
22:58 <K-Yo> ok i will
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23:20 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7870 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tConfiguration.cpp):
23:20 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft: Fixed color overflow in the configuration change message (hi there
23:20 <armabot> armagetronad: K-Yo!). I hope z-man doesn't rip my head off for removing yet another color code
23:20 <armabot> armagetronad: related bug that he can use as proof that color codes aren't officially
23:20 <armabot> armagetronad: supported (they're still not!)
23:20 <wrtlprnft> epsy: from the wiki: If you want a shorthand authority name, talk to Tank Program/Guru3. Shorthand names get expanded to <shorthand>.authentication.armagetronad.net, and we can set up a DNS CNAME entry that maps this name to your server.
23:20 <wrtlprnft> epsy: maybe you want to set that up while there's still few people using it
23:21 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, u removed the one from score_hole?
23:21 <K-Yo> :P
23:22 <wrtlprnft> score_hole?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> oh
23:22 <wrtlprnft> that's needed
23:22 <K-Yo> i mean the color
23:22 <K-Yo> <armabot> armagetronad: K-Yo!). I hope z-man doesn't rip my head off for removing yet another color code
23:22 <wrtlprnft> the 0xRESETT is needed there
23:22 <K-Yo> ok
23:22 <z-man> :)
23:22  * wrtlprnft hides
23:22 <K-Yo> sry z-manfor hl :s
23:23 <guru3> manfred z-man
23:23  * z-man rips everybody's heads of anyway. z-man does not need a reason for that.
23:23 <wrtlprnft> let's see if i can close that bug you reported K-Yo :D
23:23 <z-man> You could have already marked it with "bzr --fix <bug id>"
23:24  * K-Yo holds his head
23:24 <wrtlprnft> can i still do that?
23:24  * wrtlprnft didn't read most of the bzr manual, he just saw the “works just like svn” note on the wiki and started using it like svn
23:25 <z-man> No, you'd have to have done it alongside the commit.
23:25 <z-man> It doesn't matter much. really.
23:25 <wrtlprnft> ok
23:25 <wrtlprnft> i'll close it via the web interface
23:25 <wrtlprnft> if i can find out how
23:26 <z-man> It would not have closed the bug, only attached it to the branch with a "fix is in this branch, somewhere, we're not telling you what revision" style.
23:26  * K-Yo has no clue what svn and bzr refers to... maybe movies, i'll be glad seeing one of them some day... i know.. http:// wikipedia. svn/bzr_for_noooobs.com
23:26 <guru3> launchpas is a tiny bit confusing
23:26 <guru3> launchpad
23:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:26 <guru3> but it does let you set cool icons
23:27 <z-man> A bit, it's kind of a maze.
23:27 <wrtlprnft> still less confusing than bugzilla
23:27 <z-man> But I already got used to it.
23:27 <wrtlprnft> sorry, bugzilla is hell for non-developers
23:27 <z-man> It's better than waiting a minute for every SF page, that's for sure :)
23:27 -!- luke-jr_ is now known as luke-jr
23:28 <z-man> luke-jr: you wanted to tell us what else is bad about our normal user name manging
23:28 <wrtlprnft> looks like i just woke everyone
23:28 <luke-jr> z-man: I did?
23:28 <K-Yo> lol: https://launchpad.net/armagetronad/+mentoring i'm the one supposed to fix all arma's bugs? xD you will never play again :p
23:28 <z-man> Yes.
23:29 <z-man> Two or three days ago, before you went to bed, you hinted at something.
23:29 <z-man> Not that we gave it any importance, but you may want to now.
23:29 <z-man> And you wanted to be reminded of something.
23:29 <z-man> had something to do with 0: vs authenticated: or so.
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23:30 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: you offered to mentor that single bug
23:30 <K-Yo> ah
23:30 <K-Yo> ok
23:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm
23:31 <z-man> Why? Was it performing badly at bug school?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> if users had trouble fixing it i think
23:31 <z-man> Hmm
23:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man: when we release, will that bug automatically go to “Fix Released”?
23:31 <z-man> I admit I don't understand the mentoring concept.
23:32 <wrtlprnft> because it's at “Fix Committed” right now
23:32 <z-man> Not automatically, we'll have to go throught them ourselves.
23:32 <z-man> Yes, that is the correct state.
23:32 <epsy> wrtlprnft, why not
23:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i think it's just that he's offered to answer any questions regarding that bot
23:32 <wrtlprnft> epsy: talk to guru3, then
23:32 <z-man> I think maybe there is a script somewhere that switches all bugs in a branch from "committed" to "released".
23:33  * wrtlprnft was just curious
23:33 <wrtlprnft> i don't think the amount of bugs we have (well, the amount of bugs that get written down in a bug tracker) is high enough for manual closing to be a problem
23:33 <z-man> guru3: the idea behind the shortcut armathority names was to give others DNS entries below authentication.armagetronad.net, right?
23:34 <guru3> hmmm
23:34 <z-man> wrtlprnft: right.
23:34 <guru3> i never thought that far ahead
23:34 <guru3> i suppose we could
23:34 <wrtlprnft> well, it's on the wiki, i just pointed it out to epsy 
23:34 <z-man> It's your domain. If you don't want to, I'll remove it from the wiki.
23:35  * z-man though that was the plan.
23:35 <guru3> i'd just have to stipulate
23:35 <guru3> that it's for say, partially trusted authorities
23:35 <guru3> that we know aren't going to go anywhere
23:35 <z-man> Yeah. Maybe a "no clans" rule?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:36 <z-man> We could make it flexible, the x authority is a regular forum open for everyone.
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23:36 <guru3> well, no new clans anyway
23:36 <wrtlprnft> that would make sense
23:36  * wrtlprnft notes that most of those throwaway clans won't be able to host their own authentication server, anyways
23:36 <z-man> Perhaps the crucial property of an authority we "adopt" needs to be that it is open for everyone?
23:37 <z-man> wrtlprnft: with my throwaway reference implementation, they could.
23:37 <wrtlprnft> they barely manage to get a home-hosted server
23:37 <guru3> something like that
23:37 <wrtlprnft> if they do manage to do that at all
23:38 <guru3> we should setup something on authentication.armagetronad.net itself
23:38 <luke-jr> err
23:38 <luke-jr> that wouldn't work
23:38 <guru3> no
23:38 <luke-jr> @(null) is local accounts
23:38 <guru3> but we can't force people to register on the forums
23:39 <guru3> for just a regular auth account
23:39 <luke-jr> why not?
23:39 <guru3> it's a massive waste
23:39 <guru3> what if someone gets there account banned
23:39 <guru3> and wnats a new one
23:39 <guru3> and repeats
23:39 <K-Yo> there register on DDL :P
23:39 <guru3> i don't need 800000 users that are never going to login
23:39 <luke-jr> if you ban someone, they're banned :þ
23:39 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: there could be a regular web site on authentication@aa.net
23:39 <wrtlprnft> err
23:39 <wrtlprnft> s/@/.
23:39 <luke-jr> guru3: make a forum policy to disallow multiple accounts
23:40 <guru3> that doesn't stop it from actually happening
23:40 <luke-jr> make it so a request from an IP/Cookie that has already logged in needs to be manually approved?
23:40 <guru3> that's more work
23:41 <guru3> than actually writing a cheap disposable login system
23:42 <wrtlprnft> what would really be fun is if you required them to make at least one post before they can login
23:42 <guru3> via armathentication?
23:42 <guru3> that's a good idea
23:43 <guru3> that's probably the best thing we can do to stop abuse
23:43 <wrtlprnft> err, what?
23:43 <wrtlprnft> that was a joke
23:43 <guru3> force people to post
23:43 <guru3> because then we can weed them out
23:43 <wrtlprnft> imagine the kinds of posts you'd get
23:43 <guru3> have that and then the cheap logins
23:43 <guru3> everyone would go for the cheap logins
23:44 <wrtlprnft> maybe have a way to convert your account into a forums account
23:44 <wrtlprnft> z-man: do you remember where lucifer's flyspray installation is hosted?
23:44 <guru3> for now it's not a problem
23:44 <guru3> but it could be one day
23:44 <wrtlprnft> or is it down?
23:45 <guru3> wrtlprnft: http://flyspray.armagetronad.net
23:45 <z-man> wrtlprnft: he said it's down
23:45 <wrtlprnft> argh
23:45 <guru3> maybe it's tracker
23:45 <wrtlprnft> that worked
23:45 <wrtlprnft> thanks
23:46  * wrtlprnft tried all variations of “flyspray”, “bugspray”, “bug”, “bugs”, etc
23:46 <guru3> thats been runing since we moved the wiki
23:46 <guru3> i'm sure there's a link... somewhere
23:46 <guru3> maybe...
23:46  * wrtlprnft didn't find it at first try
23:48 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:48 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:49 <guru3> i should create icons for other AA groups on launch pad
23:50  * wrtlprnft notes we actually have an SVG icon
23:51 <guru3> pff
23:51 <guru3> it's not very cool
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i think it's fine
23:51 <wrtlprnft> almost better than the real one
23:51 <guru3> not as cool as my stick figures
23:51 <wrtlprnft> heh
23:51 <wrtlprnft> get our groups some of those!
23:52 <guru3> the triumvirate has one
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23:54 <guru3> it id E-LEET
23:54 <guru3> *is
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