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--- Day changed Sun Feb 10 2008
00:00 <guru3> z-man: would that affect a regular client though?
00:04 <K-Yo> oh guru3
00:04 <K-Yo> you can also help me :D
00:04 <luke-jr> guru3: hide! :o
00:04 <K-Yo> (if you are still around)
00:04 <K-Yo> luke-jr, !!
00:04 <K-Yo> you can help me too
00:04 <K-Yo> :p
00:04  * luke-jr runs
00:04  * K-Yo catches him back
00:04 <flex> luke is useless, don't bother after hinm
00:04 <K-Yo> flex, !!!
00:05 <K-Yo> xP
00:05 <luke-jr> flex: f u
00:05 <flex> no u
00:05 <K-Yo> I wanted to dl the new 0.2.8_alpha20080209
00:05 <K-Yo> but I can't access the beta.arma page
00:05 <luke-jr> K-Yo: why not?
00:05 <K-Yo> (because of a DNS problem)
00:05 <K-Yo> :(
00:05 <luke-jr> so fix your DNS
00:05 <K-Yo> I tried to
00:05 <flex> ....
00:05 <K-Yo> I asked in #dns
00:05 <luke-jr> …
00:06 <flex> windows?
00:06 <luke-jr> does that even exist?
00:06 <K-Yo> It doesn't work
00:06 <K-Yo> it does
00:06 <luke-jr> K-Yo: 1. get a real OS
00:06 <flex> K-Yo windows?
00:06 <K-Yo> yes windows
00:06 <flex> open cmd
00:06 <K-Yo> ftl i know
00:06 <luke-jr> 2. compile the latest code yourself
00:06 <guru3> K-Yo: you whould be able to get it off of SF
00:06 <flex> type ipconfig /flushdns
00:06 <flex> ipconfig /release
00:06 <flex> ipconfig /renew
00:06 <K-Yo> flex, i tried that already
00:06 <K-Yo> not renew
00:06 <guru3> K-Yo: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110997&package_id=195927
00:06 <flex> ^^
00:06 <luke-jr> … you wouldn't be online if you did /release and not /renew
00:07 <guru3> if you can't fix it, go around
00:07 <flex> urm some routers have their own DNS
00:07 <K-Yo> guru3, prefect :D
00:07 <flex> flushing router dns is useful too
00:08 <flex> luke-jr, sometimes windows once released does auto renew in gui
00:08 <flex> so don't always have to renew :p
00:08 <luke-jr> pft
00:08 <flex> does your crappy os have that?!
00:08 <flex> thought so, kkthxbye
00:09 <luke-jr> my OS doesn't use /release
00:09 <luke-jr> it's smarter than that
00:09 <luke-jr> heck it doesn't use DHCP
00:09 <luke-jr> so there
00:09 <flex> O.S.   	Defs.   	%
00:09 <flex> Linux  	3307  	51.76%
00:09 <flex> Win 2003  	2423  	37.92%
00:09 <flex> Win 2000  	426  	6.67%
00:09 <flex> FreeBSD  	167  	2.61%
00:09 <flex> MacOSX  	30  	0.47%
00:09 <flex> Other  	36  	0.56%
00:09 <flex> your os sucks!
00:09 <luke-jr> u
00:09 <flex> u
00:12 <flex> ah man gay! when is v3 gona be updated :(
00:13 <luke-jr> u
00:15 <flex> no u
00:18 <epsy> flex, when someone bothers to do it
00:18 <epsy> (i mean trunk)
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00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7836 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build/doc/description.txt: Updated description
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01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7837 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: eGameObject::DeleteAll no longer calls Kill(), only RemoveFromGame().
01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Several spurious explosion generations in gCycle were removed.
01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: The desired effect: no more unwanted explosions, and a cleaner game exit at round end.
01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Some arcane bits of ancient code were removed here, I hope without ill side effects.
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01:50 <pippijn> torres: { cout << (expression<variable<double> > (variable<double> ()) + expression<constant<double> > (50))(10); }
01:50 <torres> 60
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03:12 <flex> hmm, my GIMP wont open font.xcf, it says: "This XCF file is corrupt!  I could not even salvage any partial image data from it."
03:16 <luke-jr> O.o
03:17 <flex> any idea why?
03:22 <luke-jr> maybe it's corrupt
03:22 <flex> but i'm getting it right from the zip
03:22 <luke-jr> what zip?
03:23 <flex> souce
03:23 <flex> source
03:23 <luke-jr> of?
03:23 <flex> arma
03:23 <flex> I want to get the xcf so i can change the font in v2
03:23 <luke-jr> there is no v2
03:23 <flex> ...
03:24 <luke-jr> …
03:24 <flex> armagetronad-0.2.8_alpha20080209
03:24 <flex> what's that then
03:24 <luke-jr> 0.2.8
03:24 <flex> same fucking thing
03:24 <luke-jr> not at all
03:24 <luke-jr> v0 < v2
03:25 <flex> yeah fu
03:25 <luke-jr> try
03:25 <flex> ok from the source of the latest release
03:25 <flex> kay?
03:25 <flex> so how is it corrupt?
03:27 <luke-jr> did you try src yet?
03:28 <flex> trying now, but could you check if your one works with latest gimp
03:28 <luke-jr> I don't have GIMP
03:28 <luke-jr> cuz it sucks
03:28 <flex> what do you use to open the xcf file
03:28 <luke-jr> I doubt anyone's opened it for years
03:28 <luke-jr> that's probably why it's corrupt
03:29 <luke-jr> gwenview doesn't like it either
03:29 <luke-jr> in particular, nobody has touch the old font since CVS
03:29 <luke-jr> it probably got corrupt during the Svn import or such
03:29 <flex> ah yeah, gimp opened the source
03:39 <flex> might want to include that it's gotten corrupt on the alpha
03:40 <luke-jr> or someone could replace it
03:42 <flex> yeah
03:44 <flex> can't edit the font :(
03:47 <flex> well the font layer
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08:17 <Stewie-arma> http://x.cursedsanctuary.com/
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08:20 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r7838 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
08:20 <armabot> armagetronad: * Fixed dedicated compilation by adding a "Copy Headers" build phase to every
08:20 <armabot> armagetronad: target with the correct config.h for that target. The file's role is set to
08:20 <armabot> armagetronad: Project so it doesn't actually get copied. The other solution attempts failed:
08:20 <armabot> armagetronad: tried putting the src/macosx/dedicated or src/macosx/client folder in the search
08:20 <armabot> armagetronad: path for each respective target, and header files aren't members of a target so
08:20 <armabot> armagetronad: we couldn't exclude them (annoying).
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08:41 <evaldusia> salalalal
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08:46 <evaldusia> is it possible to change hud to look like 0.3.0?
08:46 <evaldusia> and glacing system
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08:57 <evaldusia> is everyone dead?
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09:18 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: no, it's not
09:19 <evaldusia> :/
09:19 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: is on another branch. We're planning on releasing 0.3.1 soon, though, it will contain all the changes from→
09:20 <evaldusia> when it will be released?
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09:30 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: ask z-man :-P
09:31  * z-man hides
09:31 <MrBougo> :o
09:31 <MrBougo> will the chasecam be 2.8.2-like?
09:31 <wrtlprnft> no.
09:31 <MrBougo> the 0.3 chasecam ruined my gameplay :( :( :(
09:32 <wrtlprnft> infact there haven't been any changes to the camera. I think both cams are less than ideal
09:36 <z-man> What camera complaint is it this time?
09:41 <wrtlprnft> z-man: evaldusia isn't complaining about the camera, he just wants a version that contains the changes and the new HUD
09:41 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo just has the usual complaint that he can't cope with meriton's camera
09:42 <evaldusia> i want hud like in 0.3.0 and glancing system
09:42 <evaldusia> :D
09:42 <MrBougo> it's only about glancing
09:43 <MrBougo> i can't get glancing on 0.3
09:43 <evaldusia> yea i want it too
09:43 <z-man> Did we change anything on the camera from to now?
09:43 <evaldusia> when you hold glancing button and turning camera doesn't turn itself
09:43 <evaldusia> turn bike*
09:44 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: it never did
09:44 <z-man> I happen to like that on the trunk.
09:44 <evaldusia> in turns
09:44 <z-man> in, we just abort the glancing.
09:44 <evaldusia> abort?
09:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah
09:44 <z-man> Yeah, it snaps back.
09:44 <wrtlprnft> as if you released the button at the time you turned
09:45 <evaldusia> but in 0.3.1 it will work normal?
09:46 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: the same way as it does in 0.3.0
09:46 <evaldusia> when you press glanc button and turn cycle camera doesn't move from it's position
09:46 <evaldusia> ah than ok
09:46 <evaldusia> because i hate camera in alpha20080209 and all versions
09:46  * wrtlprnft notes again that evaldusia and MrBougo had totally different questions, thus the confusion
09:48 <MrBougo> :(
09:48 <MrBougo> i prefered :p
09:48 <MrBougo> but since i'm not a player anymore
09:48 <MrBougo> well
09:48 <MrBougo> do you really mind
09:56 <evaldusia> wrtlprnft and when 0.3.1 will be released?
09:57 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: that's what i told you to ask z-man 
09:57 <evaldusia> z-man
09:58 <evaldusia> z-man are you alive :
10:02 <MrBougo> :o
10:02 <z-man> yes, yes. We have no release date for 0.3.1 yet. Let's first get get into the beta phase.
10:03 <evaldusia> thats crap
10:03 <z-man> Thanks for your understanding. You can always check out and compile the current trunk.
10:04 <evaldusia> I don't know how to compile
10:04 <evaldusia> I downloaded all programs and other
10:04 <evaldusia> but it gives some errors
10:04 <z-man> On Windows?
10:05 <evaldusia> yea
10:05 <z-man> Ah, we're never in a hurry to update the project files there, becasue none of the developers actively uses Windows.
10:05 <z-man> Usually, you'll have to add some files to the project.
10:06 <evaldusia> :/
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10:28 <wrtlprnft> z-man: any experience with http://gdub.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/installing-the-latest-version-of-bazaar-and-tools-on-gentoo/?
10:43 <wrtlprnft> mathias@colin $ bzr push bzr+ssh://wrtlprnft@bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-tag
10:43 <wrtlprnft> Pushed up to revision 553.
10:43 <wrtlprnft> … and nothing happened.
10:46 <wrtlprnft> i should have write access to that branch, right?
10:47 <wrtlprnft> sorry to bother you again, z-man, but ping!
10:48 <MrBougo> :p
10:48 <MrBougo> should i sell the #6 channel on ebay?
10:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:48 <MrBougo> i'll get $6 for it :p
10:48 <MrBougo> the #6 channel
10:48 <MrBougo> on freenode
10:49 <MrBougo> -ChanServ-      Channel: #6
10:49 <MrBougo> -ChanServ-      Contact: MrBougo << ONLINE >>
10:50 <MrBougo> brb
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11:44 <pippijn> good morning zmanuel
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12:24 <z-man> back from swimming, will look at wrtlprnft's problem
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12:25 <garbagegarbage> blah
12:25 <evaldusia> .halb
12:25 <z-man> wrtlprnft: well, apparently, it worked :)
12:25 <z-man> https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-tag
12:25  * garbagegarbage waits for the no route to host message
12:26 <garbagegarbage> bah
12:26 <z-man> If you were waiting for a merge message to svn, of course: the tag branch is not mirrored.
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12:26 <z-man> It's bzr only.
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12:27 <z-man> Has luke-jr told us yet what the ominous "other problems" with user name mangling are?
12:28 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7839 /armagetronad/trunk/ (425 files in 34 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 7747 to 7838:
12:28 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:28 <armabot> armagetronad:  r7838 | nemostultae | 2008-02-10 08:26:33 +0100 (Sun, 10 Feb 2008) | 4 lines
12:28 <armabot> armagetronad: * Fixed dedicated compilation by adding a "Copy Headers" build phase to every
12:28 <z-man> About the gentoo-bzr thing, i don't know. I just installed the original packages.
12:28 <armabot> armagetronad: target with the correct config.h for that target. The file's role is set to
12:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Project so it doesn't actually get copied. The other solution attempts failed:
12:30 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i was too impatient
12:31 <z-man> yeah, it takes one or two minutes to update the webpage.
12:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah, and i was waiting for a message in here until i figured out that there won't be one ;-)
12:32 <wrtlprnft> but the overlay works like a charm
--- Log closed Sun Feb 10 12:33:07 2008
--- Log opened Sun Feb 10 12:33:12 2008
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12:33 <z-man> You'd need to subscribe armabot to the branches of interest.
12:33 <wrtlprnft> right, it can do rss :D
12:33 <z-man> There are rss feeds?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> err
12:34 <wrtlprnft> there's an rss icon at the top, at least in opera
12:34  * z-man uses mail notification to trigger the merges.
12:34 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://feeds.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-tag/branch.atom
12:34  * z-man likes that better, because then, he doesn't have to poll constantly
12:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Revision 555 || Revision 554 || Revision 553 || Revision 552 || Revision 551 || Revision 550 || Revision 549 || Revision 548 || Revision 547 || Revision 546 || Revision 545 || Revision 544 || Revision 543 || Revision 542 || Revision 541 || Revision 540 || Revision 539 || Revision 538 || Revision 537 || Revision 536 || Revision 535 || Revision 534 || Revision 533 || Revision 532 || Revision (1 more message)
12:34 <wrtlprnft> err
12:34 <wrtlprnft> that's useless.
12:35 <wrtlprnft> i can count by myself, thanks a lot
12:36 <z-man> luke-mode: It's not Launcpad's fault if armabot doesn't get the rest of the feed message :)
12:36 <wrtlprnft> apparently armabot can only show the headlines, not the actual messages :-(
12:37 <wrtlprnft> i suspected there was more in the feed than just the revision #
12:38 <z-man> #rss http://feeds.launchpad.net/armagetronad/branches.atom
12:39 <armabot> z-man: Source module, stable || Release tools, stable || Windows Code::Blocks build files, stable || Unix development helper, stable || Windows dependencies, stable || Helper script that simultaneously branches multiple main branches || Source module, development || Release tools, development || Unix development helper, development || Windows dependencies, stable || Two way syncronization tools (1 more message)
12:39 <z-man> hmm
12:39 <z-man> #more
12:39 <armabot> z-man: between Subversion and Bazaar || Tag - You're It!
12:39 <z-man> #rss http://feeds.launchpad.net/armagetronad/revisions.atom
12:39 <armabot> z-man: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
12:42 <z-man> #rss http://feeds.launchpad.net/armagetronad/latest-bugs.atom
12:42 <armabot> z-man: [190574] Game objects not cleared || [189780] Cascading Stylesheet Support || [189776] lucifer's first bug || [189684] Another test || [189678] is not out yet || [189672] Test Bug
12:42 <z-man> That could be useful.
12:43 <z-man> #help rss
12:43 <armabot> z-man: (rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines.
12:43 <wrtlprnft> do you want it announced in here?
12:43 <z-man> Woudln't hurt.
12:44 <wrtlprnft> #rss add http://feeds.launchpad.net/armagetronad/latest-bugs.atom lpbugs
12:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'lpbugs' is not a valid url.
12:44 <wrtlprnft> #rss add lpbugs http://feeds.launchpad.net/armagetronad/latest-bugs.atom
12:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:44 <wrtlprnft> #rss announce lpbugs
12:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
12:44 <wrtlprnft> #rss announce lpbugs
12:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:45 <z-man> Does that perhaps fetch the body text?
12:45 <wrtlprnft> no :-(
12:45 <z-man> #help rss announce
12:45 <armabot> z-man: (rss announce [<channel>] [--remove] [<name|url> ...]) -- Adds the list of <name|url> to the current list of announced feeds in the channel given. Valid feeds include the names of registered feeds as well as URLs for a RSS feeds. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. If no arguments are specified, replies with the current list of feeds to announce. If (1 more message)
12:45 <wrtlprnft> i'll see what i can do
12:45 <wrtlprnft> but first i should change the config so it doesn't check the feed every 60 secs
12:46 <z-man> Don't hurry, remove the feed again if it causes problems.
12:46 <z-man> It's not that we can't subscribe to the feeds in our own rss reader :)
12:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah ;-)
12:47 <wrtlprnft> z-man: it won't cause problems
12:47 <wrtlprnft> it'll just cause trouble
12:50 <wrtlprnft> err
12:50 <wrtlprnft> traffic i mean
12:50 <z-man> :)
12:59 <evaldusia> z-man why 0.3.0 doesn't get in alpha stages
12:59 <evaldusia> ? :D
12:59 <evaldusia> phase*
13:00 <z-man> Simply because even alpha builds are a huge chunk of work.
13:00 <z-man> I need to fire up ALL of my PCs, build the source archive on one, transmit it to the Windows machine, the mac
13:00 <z-man> build everything, push the result back
13:00 <z-man> upload it to aabeta
13:00 <z-man> upload it to sf
13:00 <z-man> update the aabeta page
13:01 <z-man> update the sf page.
13:01 <z-man> Not to mention that I first need to make sure everything actually builds.
13:01 <evaldusia> :/
13:03 <evaldusia> but 02.8.1 is lame
13:03 <evaldusia> :D
13:03 <pippijn> z-man: do you check whether it runs and works, too?
13:03 <z-man> For alpha builds, I just fire it up once, play a local round, and maybe connect to a server.
13:04 <pippijn> okay
13:05 <z-man> I'm continuously playing with the current version of 0.2.8, so there is little risk of showstopping bugs entering the alphas that aren't caught right on launch.
13:38 <epsy> i just found a bug in team color calculation
13:38 <epsy> using negative color components
13:43 <wrtlprnft> omg
13:43 <wrtlprnft> can't people just stick to [0,15]?
13:44 <epsy> looks like not
13:47 <wrtlprnft> i don't see anything, though
13:47 <wrtlprnft> no matter what i do, my color is still yellow-ish
13:47 <epsy> go to a server with teams
13:48  * wrtlprnft only tried local games…
13:48 <wrtlprnft>
13:48 <wrtlprnft> fts
13:48 <wrtlprnft> meet you there :)
13:49 <wrtlprnft> err, what?
13:49 <epsy> arma wont start
13:49 <epsy> ah
13:49 <wrtlprnft> fts doesn't have teams
13:49 <epsy> not before 4 players
13:49 <epsy> x sumo is empty
13:49 <wrtlprnft> well, go café…
13:54 <wrtlprnft> epsy: no, bug_color_overflow doesn't “help”
13:54 <epsy> wrtlprnft, there = x sumo or ?
13:55 <epsy> well i get it fixed disabling the overflow bug
14:05 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:13 <evaldusia> is it possible to make hud like in 0.3.0?
14:14 <wrtlprnft> no
14:15  * wrtlprnft is currently working on a windows build
14:15 <evaldusia> is it possible to make not dart rubber
14:15 <evaldusia> to make gauge?
14:15 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:15 <evaldusia> to make rubber show like gauge
14:15 <evaldusia> you know what i mean
14:15 <evaldusia> to make bar
14:16 <wrtlprnft> again, i'm working on a windows build of the latest trunk
14:16 <evaldusia> ok
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14:30 <z-man> wrtlprnft: don't let yourself be bullied by evaldusia :)
14:30 <evaldusia> :D
14:30  * z-man didn't know wrtl had windows development tools installed
14:31 <evaldusia> xD
14:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man: remember that i had to build a qt app a few weeks ago?
14:31 <wrtlprnft> i figured i might give it a shot
14:31 <z-man> Oh yeah.
14:31 <wrtlprnft> update the project file and maybe write a little tutorial
14:32 <wrtlprnft> you know, starting with a clean windows do 1) 2) 3) etc
14:33  * wrtlprnft just found a README
14:33 <wrtlprnft> great, i wish i had seen that before
14:36 <wrtlprnft> woot
14:36 <wrtlprnft> it's running :D
14:37 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7840 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ArmagetronAd.cbp: Added a couple of files. I hope this doesn't break anything...
14:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man: can you give me a hint as to where i would go to create an installer?
14:40 <z-man> Dunno how it works on the trunk
14:40 <wrtlprnft> well
14:40 <wrtlprnft> how does it work on the branch?
14:40 <z-man> on 0.2.8, there are .nsi scripts automatically copied into the build directory
14:40 <z-man> you just have to run them, and voila, you get an installer.
14:40 <wrtlprnft> ah, i got those
14:41 <wrtlprnft> probably need to download yet another program
14:41 <z-man> Yep, the nsis install maker.
14:45 <evaldusia> wrtlprnft compiled yet
14:46 <evaldusia> ?
14:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's compiled
14:47 <wrtlprnft> you can have a binary if you like, but it won't run properly :P
14:47 <wrtlprnft> don't be so impatient
14:47 <z-man>  /ignore evaldusia
14:47 <wrtlprnft> (and i though *i* was impatient)
14:47 <epsy> wrtlprnft, what are you compiling?
14:48 <evaldusia> lol z-man
14:48 <wrtlprnft> epsy: trunk/win32
14:49 <epsy> wrtlprnft, oh, could you give the link when you're done?
14:50 <wrtlprnft> argh, screw that
14:50 <wrtlprnft> who needs installers anyways
14:50 <wrtlprnft> a zip file will have to do
14:50 <evaldusia> just rarit
14:50 <evaldusia> rar it
14:50 <epsy> no, zip it
14:50 <epsy> rar isn't enough wide-spread
14:50 <wrtlprnft> nvm, i got the installer
14:50 <evaldusia> lol
14:50 <wrtlprnft> i tried to compile the wrong script
14:51 <wrtlprnft> actually, the right script in the wrong spot
14:51 <evaldusia> lol
14:52 <kidanger> #t fr en normal
14:52 <armabot> kidanger: normal
14:53 <kidanger> z-man: Are the 2 "spectator mode" normal ? http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=armasl9.
14:53 <epsy> kidanger, ton lien est cassé
14:53 <wrtlprnft> apparently you need to copy the doc dir from a linux compile run :D
14:53 <evaldusia> z-man are you really ignoring me?
14:53 <z-man> no.
14:53 <epsy> i think he is
14:53 <z-man> It was more a subtle hit to wrtl :)
14:54 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
14:54 <wrtlprnft> which i ignored
14:54 <wrtlprnft> stupid me
14:54 <evaldusia> :D
14:54 <kidanger> http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=armaya6.png *
14:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armagetronad-CVS.win32.exe
14:55 <z-man> kidanger: no. wrtlprnft: could one of them be the "keep ID invisible" toggle?
14:55 <wrtlprnft> i hope it works for everyone
14:55 <wrtlprnft> of what?
14:56 <wrtlprnft> oh
14:57 <wrtlprnft>     (&playerMenu,"$player_stealth_text",
14:57 <wrtlprnft>     (&playerMenu,"$player_spectator_text",
14:57 <evaldusia> nice wrtlprnft newest arma vers
14:57 <evaldusia> xD
14:58 <wrtlprnft> z-man: it's in the right spot, the lower one would be the “stay hidden” one
14:59 <wrtlprnft> but i have no clue how that could happen
14:59 <kidanger> z-man: Only "mode spectateur works
14:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that makes sense
15:00 <evaldusia> wrtlprnft
15:00 <evaldusia> when i run it why it show me @programtitle?
15:00 <evaldusia> @progtitle*
15:00 <evaldusia> @progtitle@
15:01 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:01 <wrtlprnft> where?
15:01 <evaldusia> front
15:01 <z-man> That's normal for direct SVN builds in Windows.
15:01 <evaldusia> first menu
15:01 <evaldusia> aaa
15:02 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: is that *really* a problem for you?
15:02 <evaldusia> nope
15:02 <wrtlprnft> good.
15:02 <evaldusia> omg
15:02 <evaldusia> i get map load failure when i try connet to |x| sumo
15:03 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i'm confused about that french bug
15:03 <z-man> Well, can you reproduce it if you switch to french?
15:03 <wrtlprnft> z-man: yeah :-(
15:03 <epsy> evaldusia, orly?
15:03 <wrtlprnft> epsy: your server's messed up.
15:03 <evaldusia> yea
15:03 <z-man> May be a localization error, I'll look at it.
15:03 <evaldusia> i get map laod failure
15:04 <wrtlprnft> evaldusia: hmm
15:05 <epsy> evaldusia, what map? what url?
15:05 <wrtlprnft> epsy: standard sumo
15:05 <epsy> huh?
15:05 <evaldusia> yep
15:05 <z-man> wrtlprnft: you edited english_base.txt wrongly :)
15:05 <z-man> you put up Hide Global ID into the player_spectator slot.
15:06 <wrtlprnft> it's my fault again. argh.
15:06 <z-man> np :)
15:06 <z-man> That's why we're doing the alpha builds.
15:06  * wrtlprnft just checked the menu items were there and labelled and used the console for the rest
15:07 <evaldusia> aa
15:07 <evaldusia> it works with old client
15:07 <evaldusia> |x|sumo server is okay
15:08  * wrtlprnft is working on it
15:08 <z-man> Perhaps the build doesn't include the dtds?
15:09 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even download the file
15:09 <epsy> evaldusia, what is the f u c k i n g   e r r o r   m e s s a g e ?
15:09 <evaldusia> polygon_shape_used unkown
15:10 <evaldusia> what epsy?
15:10 <epsy> the map load failure error
15:10 <evaldusia> server is ok when i join with older client
15:10 <wrtlprnft> epsy: 404
15:10 <evaldusia> lol
15:10 <epsy> what is THE ERROR ->MESSAGE<-
15:10 <wrtlprnft> z-man: you're right
15:10 <wrtlprnft> damn you.
15:11 <evaldusia> wrtlprnft will you compile it again?
15:11 <wrtlprnft> LET ME FIX THE BUG FIRST MAYBE?
15:11 <evaldusia> OK! :)
15:19 <MrBougo> LOL
15:19 <epsy> reaction time: 7 minutes
15:19 <epsy> :D
15:19 <MrBougo> :D
15:20 <evaldusia> :D
15:20 <wrtlprnft> well, that was a temporary fix
15:20 <evaldusia> compiled?
15:20 <evaldusia> :D
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15:21 <wrtlprnft> ok, there you go. same uri
15:24 <evaldusia> what is that
15:24 <evaldusia> Polygonal_shape_used unkown?
15:24 <wrtlprnft> ignore it
15:25 <wrtlprnft> it's a snapshot for god's sake
15:25 <wrtlprnft> be happy that it runs at all
15:25 <evaldusia> xD
15:27 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7841 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Refined way changed history order in the remote branch is handled: it is merged in now and does not alter SVN history.
15:28 <evaldusia> why mini map turns?
15:28  * z-man notes that fixing the language bug would be more important than babysitting evaldusia
15:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
15:29 <evaldusia> :D
15:29  * wrtlprnft will even fix it in bzr for you, z-man 
15:29 <MrBougo> how cute!
15:29 <z-man> ooh, you make me so happy!
15:29 <MrBougo> this is lovely!
15:30 <z-man> group hug!
15:30 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: invite him at home!
15:30 <wrtlprnft> lol
15:30 <MrBougo> yay! group hug!
15:31 <evaldusia> :D
15:36 <wrtlprnft> oh f***
15:37 <wrtlprnft> now, how do you delete a branch?
15:38 <evaldusia> press delete
15:38 <wrtlprnft> thanks a lot
15:38 <evaldusia> :D
15:43 <wrtlprnft> z-man: you're probably not going to be so happy when you see https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8
15:43 <wrtlprnft> it's darn easy to break stuff using bzr x_X
15:43 <z-man> It is? How?
15:44 <z-man> oh :)
15:44 <wrtlprnft> not pasting the entire URI when using bzr push
15:44 <z-man> You mean, forgetting the bzr+ssh:// bit and writing to a local branch?
15:45 <wrtlprnft> no
15:45 <wrtlprnft> forgetting the -armagetronad-work bit and writing a new branch called 0.2.8
15:45 <z-man> Ah, well, you can always abort and delete that new branch
15:45 <z-man> and you can't write to competely unrelated branches.
15:46  * z-man doesn't count that as breaking stuff
15:46 <z-man> Just wasting a bit of time and bandwidth :)
15:46 <wrtlprnft> well, how do i do that?
15:46 <z-man> Delete the branch>
15:46 <z-man> Just go to its view and press delete.
15:47 <z-man> Ah, you have to go there not from the project page, but from the team page.
15:47 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7842 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt): Fixed a mixup where the menu item labels for hiding your global id and spectator mode were swapped
15:48 <z-man> err
15:48 <z-man> Or from your page.
15:48 <z-man> I don't know, you'll have to find that yourself, it's your branch, only you can delete it :)
15:48 <wrtlprnft> i'll continue looking for it
15:49 <wrtlprnft> i can abandon it…
15:50 <z-man> I can delete this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~z-man/armagetronad/multifetch
15:50 <z-man> So maybe you can delete yours here: https://code.launchpad.net/~wrtlprnft/armagetronad/0.2.8
15:50 <wrtlprnft> just a disguised 404 page
15:51 <z-man> Hmm
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15:53 <wrtlprnft> err
15:53 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue where it went and why
15:54 <wrtlprnft> but it's gone
15:54 <z-man> I stole it :)
15:54 <wrtlprnft> have fun with it
15:55 <z-man> The reason it was impossible to delete was that it had one bug attached to it.
15:55 <z-man> That happened automatically, because I used 'bzr commit --fixes".
15:55 <wrtlprnft> ah
15:55 <z-man> I removed the bug attachment, then was able to delete the branch.
15:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/ie7sucks.png
15:56 <z-man> But abandoning it removes it from view just as well.
15:56 <wrtlprnft> these redmond people can get on one's nerves
15:57 <wrtlprnft> thanks :-)
15:57 <z-man> 23 Mb to get rid of something?
15:58 <z-man> Sounds like a WTF :)
15:58 <wrtlprnft> inded
15:58 <wrtlprnft> *indeed
15:58 <wrtlprnft> i think i already saw that somewhere
15:58 <z-man> Probably.
15:58 <wrtlprnft> but hey, experiencing it first hand is nice, too
15:58 <wrtlprnft> "nice"
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16:33 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7843 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Better merge messages, they now contain the complete log.
16:33 <wrtlprnft> can they maybe contain the name of the committer, too?
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16:56 <z-man> Only if I make them all merges.
16:59 <z-man> It would look somewhat like this: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Bazaar#Merge_vs._Rebase
17:01 <z-man> Or we could self-host the main SVN repository, then bzr-svn can change the real submitter name.
17:05 <z-man> Or I just hack bzr-svn.
17:05  * z-man goes to work
17:07  * wrtlprnft wouldn't mind a self-hosted svn
17:07 <wrtlprnft> infact, if you need a server I give you an account on mine
17:07 <wrtlprnft> we'd need a backup plan, obviously
17:08 <z-man> The problem with self-hosting svn would be that everyone of us needs yet another account.
17:08 <z-man> But yeah, I'd support that.
17:08 <z-man> We could also do per-directory access restrictions then.
17:12 <wrtlprnft> i don't see an immediate need for that, but having the option is definitely not bad
17:13  * z-man loves python, hack complete.
17:13 <z-man> Two added lines in the right place :)
17:14 <z-man> What should it read?
17:14 <z-man> bzr-committer: <name> ?
17:16 <z-man> Nah, /me goes for author: <name>
17:16 <wrtlprnft> :)
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17:41 <evaldusia> hi Hoax
17:41 <Hoax-> yo
17:41 <Hoax-> :P
17:42 <Hoax-> your sumo serv still up?
17:42 <evaldusia> mine?
17:43 <evaldusia> Hoax- mine?
17:44 <Hoax-> yeah
17:44 <evaldusia> now its on
17:44 <Hoax-> sometimes WW just isn't laggy enough xD
17:44 <evaldusia> xD
17:45 <evaldusia> Hoax- join
17:45 <evaldusia> i want to see your ping
17:45 <Hoax-> haha k
17:46 <evaldusia> Hoax- when you will join?
17:47 <Hoax-> hm cant see it
17:48 <evaldusia> lol
17:48 <evaldusia> i can see it
17:48 <Hoax-> you hosting on your machine? they take a while to show
17:48 <evaldusia> ye
17:48 <evaldusia> but you must see it now
17:49 <flex> wrtlprnft, my mini map is bugged in v3 alpha you done
17:49 <evaldusia> mine too little
17:49 <flex> mines completely white, when it should be a transparant background
17:50 <epsy> that's a b0rken cockpit
17:50 <flex> oh
17:50 <flex> but..
17:50 <flex> oh
17:50 <flex> right hmm
17:51 <epsy> #help sd
17:51 <armabot> epsy: (sd <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverdetails.php?name=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
17:56 <wrtlprnft> flex: then you don't have the latest version of the cockpit
17:57 <wrtlprnft> flex: look if you have an Anonymous/standard-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml somewhere in your automatic resource repository
17:59 <flex> it's my own cockpit :p
17:59 <wrtlprnft> oh
17:59 <flex> i had trouble with my minimap in old v3
17:59 <flex> just think i need to fix it
17:59 <wrtlprnft> you need to add a <Background> tag to your map
17:59 <wrtlprnft> it defaults to white
17:59 <flex> yeah
18:01 <wrtlprnft>             <Background>
18:01 <wrtlprnft>                 <Solid>
18:01 <wrtlprnft>                     <Color r="1." g="1." b="1." alpha=".2" />
18:01 <wrtlprnft>                 </Solid>
18:01 <wrtlprnft>             </Background>
18:01 <wrtlprnft> that's in the default cockpit
18:02 <wrtlprnft> also have a look at <MapMode>, it's a new feature ;-)
18:02 <epsy> (did that mean you can have gradients or pictures as bg?)
18:02 <wrtlprnft> gradients yes, pictures no
18:02  * epsy imagines confusing his users with trails as bg image
18:03 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:03 <flex> yeah, I was trying to use mapmode but it kept bugging on me
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18:04 <wrtlprnft> bugging how?
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18:04 <flex> not sure yet :p
18:05 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Cockpit_Tutorial#Map_Settings
18:05 <wrtlprnft> try that :P
18:05 <epsy> wrtlprnft, the « about » crash still happens in 0.2.8
18:05 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:06 <epsy> there was a nasty bug which made the client freeze when you hit « About » in the ingame menu
18:06 <flex> about works for me
18:06 <epsy> nm, that's a freako bug
18:06 <wrtlprnft> where excactly did he hit it
18:06 <epsy> flex, wait...you're using wrtl's version?
18:07 <epsy> wrtlprnft, in the in-game menu
18:07 <wrtlprnft> on a server?
18:07 <flex> yes, and v0.2.8 alpha
18:07 <epsy> wrtlprnft, yes
18:07 <flex> worked fine in both versions
18:08 <wrtlprnft> can't reproduce it
18:08 <flex> my hud still aint working wrtlprnft
18:09 <epsy> hm maybe it was with 0.3...spot really confused me
18:09  * wrtlprnft is confused
18:09 <wrtlprnft> flex: what excactly doesn't work now?
18:09 <flex> http://pastebin.com/m3d575751
18:09 <kidanger> #t en fr tags trunk
18:09 <flex> what am i doing wrong?
18:09 <armabot> kidanger: étiquette le tronc
18:09 <epsy> kidanger, ?
18:10 <kidanger> epsy: :-' je me demande où je peux trouver la toute dernière version :S J'ai des problème avec tout ça moi :P
18:10 <wrtlprnft> kidanger: do you have alpha blending enabled?
18:10 <kidanger> wrtlprnft: ? why ?
18:11 <epsy> wrtlprnft, c'est quoi pour toi « la dernière version » ...
18:11 <epsy> er
18:11 <epsy> kidanger, *
18:11 <wrtlprnft> kidanger: if you don't have it enabled it will show up white
18:11 <kidanger> epsy: celle où les dev bosse :)
18:11 <epsy> je peux pas te répondre
18:11 <kidanger> wrtlprnft: sry, I don't understand what you mean :P
18:12 <epsy> parce que ça ne veut absolument rien dire
18:12 <epsy> les devs bossent sur
18:12 <wrtlprnft> err
18:12 <wrtlprnft> flex: do you have alpha blending enabled?
18:12 <wrtlprnft> flex: if you don't have it enabled it will show up white
18:12 <kidanger> epsy: oui, je peux l'avoir où ?
18:12 <wrtlprnft> sorry
18:12 <kidanger> lol
18:12 <epsy> si tu veux la dernière de 0.2.8, va sur aabeta
18:13 <kidanger> epsy: je peux pas avec le svn ?
18:13 <epsy> ...
18:13 <epsy> et bien prends la dernière 0.2.8 ds le svn
18:14 <flex> wrtlprnft, alpha blend is on
18:14 <flex> i'm getting cockpit error
18:14 <wrtlprnft> well
18:14 <wrtlprnft> what's the error?
18:15 <flex> position | size is getting mixed or something
18:15 <flex> with bg
18:15 <flex> http://pastebin.com/m3d575751
18:15 <flex> is that correct?
18:16 <wrtlprnft> it looks perfectly OK to me
18:16 <flex> also when I play around with MapMode I get the declaration of element not reconized or something
18:16 <kidanger>  epsy: donc svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/ ?
18:16 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7844 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/all.sh synctools/request-sync.sh):
18:16 <armabot> armagetronad: BZR-Committer: Manuel Moos <z-man@users.sf.net>
18:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Optimization: Only syncing branches affected by changes; that information is parsed from the notification mail messages.
18:16 <epsy> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/
18:17 <z-man> Hey, that was the wrong patch, obviously.
18:17 <kidanger> oki merci :)
18:17 <epsy> si ce n'est pas ça c'est
18:17 <epsy> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/
18:17 <epsy> jsuis pas sur
18:18 <wrtlprnft> flex: what DTD are you using?
18:19 <kidanger> epsy: ouais 2eme solution
18:19 <flex> element of map does not follow DTD
18:19 <flex> and urm, i dunno lol
18:19 <flex> dtd?
18:19 <wrtlprnft> first line…
18:20 <flex> ah right
18:21 <flex> i was using AATeam/cockpit-0.3.0.dtd
18:21 <flex> changed it to cockpit.dtd and it worked
18:22 <wrtlprnft> :-)
18:22 <flex> thx babe
18:22 <wrtlprnft> the most current DTD isn't versioned
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18:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7845 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/mirror.cfg):
18:24 <armabot> armagetronad: author: bazaarmagetron <z-man@users.sf.net>
18:24 <armabot> armagetronad: Added code::blocks module.
18:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7846 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/all.sh synctools/request-sync.sh):
18:24 <armabot> armagetronad: author: bazaarmagetron <z-man@users.sf.net>
18:24 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed the optimization.
18:25 <z-man> Well, that makes the messages slightly spammy.
18:25 <wrtlprnft> err
18:25 <wrtlprnft> author: bazaarmagetron
18:25 <wrtlprnft> is that correct?
18:25 <z-man> yeah, I edited them directly on the server.
18:25 <z-man> that is correct.
18:25 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:25 <z-man> I should change it, though
18:26 <wrtlprnft> get rid of the newline
18:26 <wrtlprnft> author: <message>
18:26 <wrtlprnft> maybe only add a newline if the actual commit message has more than one line
18:27 <z-man> Well, that would make the line quite long
18:27 <wrtlprnft> get rid of the e-mail address, too
18:27 <wrtlprnft> who in their right mind would put a real address there?
18:28 <z-man> But it's part of the author specs!
18:28 <wrtlprnft> x_X
18:29 <kidanger> epsy: à l'aide ! La compilation marche pas ! http://rafb.net/p/jwsR1K59.html :(
18:31 <z-man> Actually, the bzr email address is hidden for non-members of launchpad in their web interface.
18:32 <epsy> kidanger, tu vois pas que ton ptain de patch il marche pas >.>
18:33 <kidanger> epsy: <.< donc je peux pas le patcher ? :(
18:33 <epsy> non
18:34 <kidanger> ok merci (va falloir que je me démerde sans toi des fois...)
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18:53 <wrtlprnft> can someone please tell me what the class tResource is for?
18:53 <wrtlprnft> it's empty and it isn't used anywhere
18:53 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even have a virtual destructor
18:53 <z-man> Doesn't it have static members?
18:54 <wrtlprnft> class tResource {
18:54 <wrtlprnft> public:
18:54 <wrtlprnft> private:
18:54 <wrtlprnft> };
18:54 <wrtlprnft> tResourceManager is the one with all static members
18:55 <wrtlprnft> (which might as well be a namespace for the lack of private ones)
18:55 <wrtlprnft> but nvm
18:55 <wrtlprnft> some unimplemented method returns a tResource *
18:59 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7847 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/README): Manuel Moos: better so, wrtlprnft?
18:59  * wrtlprnft thinks it's great
19:00 <wrtlprnft> everyone knows that's z-man
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19:00 <z-man> Only problem, whatever goes there can be freely chosen by the submitter :)
19:00  * z-man considers starting to sign commits.
19:00 <wrtlprnft> well, we only have a limited number of submitters
19:01 <wrtlprnft> is there a way to have them automatically signed?
19:01 <z-man> Dunno, I haven't read the docs on that yet.
19:02 <wrtlprnft> i signed three commits by accident
19:03 <flex> wrtlprnft, what's the toggle key? "1" ? can't get it switch :/
19:04 <wrtlprnft> flex: you need to set one
19:04 <wrtlprnft> flex: system settings→misc stuff→global keyboard config
19:12 <wrtlprnft> by the way, what's the deal with astyle/make rebeautify? shall we use it or not?
19:21 <StickyNoob> flex: hay
19:21 <flex> hey
19:21 <flex> 1sec i'll get you link
19:21 <StickyNoob> k
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19:24 <StickyNoob> flex: still there?
19:24 <flex> look in xclan channel :p
19:24 <StickyNoob> ok
19:30 <epsy> lol @ "team red bug", i used to like it :P
19:35 <evaldusia> what bug epsy?
19:35 <epsy>   151 - "Team Red" bug. If the server allows maximally two teams, no team ever
19:35 <epsy>   152   gets to be Team Red.
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19:46 <MrBougo> hahar
19:49 <wrtlprnft> 152?
19:49 <wrtlprnft> oh, lin3 numbers
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20:10 <wrtlprnft> file://localhost/www2/hugecycle.png
20:11  * wrtlprnft never knew we had an SVG logo
20:11  * z-man is just pushing up a branch with the sty patch applied
20:12 <wrtlprnft> z-man: sweet
20:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: which patch did you use
20:15 <wrtlprnft> oh, and maybe we should approach the people behind armahacktron if they'd like to use bzr, too
20:15 <wrtlprnft> that would make it easier for them to merge the latest changes from into their hack
20:19 <StickyNoob> #svn
20:19 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
20:38 <StickyNoob> hmm make -j seems to break the arma compile
20:41 <z-man> Not for me, I use it every day.
20:41 <z-man> dual core and -j 3 ftw!
20:41 <StickyNoob> ahh yes my src is just broken
20:41 <StickyNoob>         /bin/bash ../ylwrap `test -f 'tools/values/vParser.ypp' || echo './'`tools/values/vParser.ypp y.tab.c vParser.cpp y.tab.h vParser.h y.output vParser.output -- yacc
20:41 <StickyNoob> ../ylwrap: line 110: yacc: command not found
20:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man: same here :D
20:43 <wrtlprnft> StickyNoob: install bison
20:43 <StickyNoob> ok
20:44 <StickyNoob> ahh there we go
20:44 <StickyNoob> is that not checked for in configure?
20:44 <StickyNoob> wrtlprnft: thanks
20:45 <wrtlprnft> yw
20:45 <wrtlprnft> apparently not
20:45 <wrtlprnft> well, bison is one of the dependencies we don't actully use (yet)
20:45 <wrtlprnft> it's just one of the formula/scripting approaches that all haven't worked out
20:50 <StickyNoob> is there a option to return to the old style of glancing yet?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> no
20:52 <z-man> StickyNoob: No, and let me give you the official warning that WE HATE THIS QUESTION.
20:52 <StickyNoob> heh
20:52  * wrtlprnft can understand it as the new glancing isn't perfect
20:52 <StickyNoob> ok
20:52  * wrtlprnft can't stand the default behavior of either cam
20:52  * wrtlprnft guesses that noone can stand the behavior he uses
20:53 <StickyNoob> i thought the 2.8 way was fine
20:53 <wrtlprnft> how are you supposed to sumo if the cam keeps turning all the time and you can't do anything to stop it?
20:53 <StickyNoob> i need that for the way i play
20:54 <StickyNoob> i think my main issue is that a quick glance one way then the other has fairly undefined behaviour, ie sometimes the second glance takes effect and some times it doesnt
20:55 <wrtlprnft> it's well, defined
20:56 <StickyNoob> also repetatively hitting the same glance has different behaviours
20:56 <Hoax-> didn't meriton release a patch for glancing in 3.0
20:56 <wrtlprnft> err, that IS the patch
20:57 <StickyNoob> ahhh i get it, every left glance(in quick succesion) rotates the cam by 90deg and every back glance rotates the cam 180deg
20:58 <wrtlprnft> exactly
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21:00 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what's the buisness with astyle/make rebautify? am i still supposed to call it or not?
21:00  * wrtlprnft remembers a commit about it not being worth the trouble
21:00 <z-man> If it doesn't make too many changes, call it.
21:00 <wrtlprnft> ok
21:01 <z-man> Yeah, on my kubuntu desktop, I can't get it not to change tons of stuff around for no good reason.
21:02 <z-man> We should restart it sometime with strict and well defined settings, not just 'defaults are fine', because obviously, they aren't, because they change over time.
21:02 <wrtlprnft> well, if they change we can just fix them to what they are now
21:05 <z-man> No, we can't, that's the problem.
21:05 <wrtlprnft> why?
21:05 <z-man> Or rather, the problem is that there is no option to leave spacings alone.
21:05 <wrtlprnft> i thought the entire point was to change the indentation
21:06 <z-man> And other formatting.
21:06 <z-man> It now likes to change
21:06 <z-man> if(a=b)
21:06 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:06 <z-man> to
21:06 <wrtlprnft> ouch.
21:06 <z-man> if ( a = b )
21:06 <z-man> or vice versa.
21:06 <z-man> but there is no "just leave things as they are and get out of my way, stupid program" option.
21:07 <wrtlprnft>     -P   OR  --pad=all
21:07 <wrtlprnft>     Insert space paddings around operators AND parenthesies.
21:07 <wrtlprnft> there must be a way to switch that off, too
21:07 <z-man> No, only a reverse.
21:08 <z-man> remove all paddings.
21:08 <z-man> At least, no such thing is mentioned in the docs, but --pad=none didn't work.
21:08 <wrtlprnft> that's stupid
21:10 <z-man> My words :)
21:11 <z-man> Any idea how to solve the DTD issue with the sty patch?
21:11 <z-man> Or, any idea what it was in the first place?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> well
21:12 <wrtlprnft> the issue is that the sty maps need another DTD
21:12 <wrtlprnft> obviously
21:12 <wrtlprnft> that's not the actual issue, though, the issue is that the guy who might be sleeping right now won't put the DTD on the repository
21:13 <z-man> Ok, yeah, I remembered that bit.
21:13 <wrtlprnft> you basically have to host it on your own resource repository for people to be able to play on your server
21:13 <wrtlprnft> or send your clients a stripped-down version of the map w/o zones
21:13 <wrtlprnft> it's not a real issue, though, imho
21:14 <z-man> Which is illegal according to the guy who sleeps very long.
21:14 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
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21:24 <z-man> Well, we do have write access to the resource repository, so I have a simple solution :)
21:25 <z-man> Oh well
21:26 <z-man> Someone forgot to make the directories grop writable.
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21:35 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:35 <wrtlprnft> how can you screw up so badly that your code crashes inside boost::shared_ptr<rITexture>::operator*?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:37 <wrtlprnft> apparently if(&*m_tex) isn't valid with shared_ptrs
21:43 <wrtlprnft> z-man: any idea how sortresources.py could handle binary resources like images?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> without some XML wrapper file
21:44 <z-man> Well, my idea would be to store metainfo not in a wrapper, but a .manifest file.
21:44 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:44 <z-man> So for every resource raw file, whatever type, you'd have two files, X and X.manifest.xml
21:45 <z-man> not pretty, but I better than finding a way to hide the info in every binary format we will encounter.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> so the manifest wouldn't be required for most stuff, just for sortresources?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> well, i still wonder why we need to write any info into a binary file
21:45 <wrtlprnft> you already know the path in most cases
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21:46 <z-man> Since sortresources came from the age of CVS, where we were afraid to move files, we could also just as well drop it
21:46 <z-man> and say "a file is where it is".
21:47 <z-man> We'd just need a way to give server admins the "correct" way to put a file where it belongs.
21:47 <z-man> That's the problem, user created files placed by server admins where they don't belong.
21:47 <z-man> Any alternative solution to that problem that avoids tons of metadata would be welcomed by me.
21:50 <wrtlprnft> well
21:50 <wrtlprnft> my current solution to that is splitting the path name up
21:50 <wrtlprnft>                     <Graphic author="wrtlprnft" version="1" name="test" />
21:50 <wrtlprnft> and the client builds the URI out of that
21:51 <wrtlprnft> that way you actively have to mess around to get it wrong
21:52 <z-man> Hmm, would that work for "root resources", like maps? Resources the admin has to specify?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> not right now
21:52 <z-man> Those, of course, are the problematic ones, and we only need to protect them against getting misplaced.
21:52 <wrtlprnft> but those aren't a problem right now
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21:52 <wrtlprnft> and if we add binary root resources (what for?) we can always split up the config items, too
21:54 <wrtlprnft> second, do resources delete themselves?
21:54 <wrtlprnft> -second
21:54 <wrtlprnft> err
21:54 <wrtlprnft> textures i mean
21:56 <z-man> I guess you're right about this: if we stick to xml primary resources, there will be no problem.
21:56 <z-man> textures delete themselves?
21:56 <z-man> No, the rTexture object lives as long as it exists.
21:56 <z-man> Maybe it has an Unload() function or something.
21:56 <wrtlprnft> weird
21:57 <z-man> Yep, Unload() is it.
21:57 <wrtlprnft> do i need to call that?
21:58 <z-man> If you want the texture to release its video card/OpenGL memory, yes.
21:59 <wrtlprnft> ok
21:59 <wrtlprnft> i think i need to redesign this thing, anyways
21:59 <wrtlprnft> have the cockpit writer specify the textures they intend to use at the beginning of the file
21:59 <wrtlprnft> to avoid loading the same texture twice
21:59 <wrtlprnft> and have the cockpit own the textures, not the individual gauges
21:59 <z-man> We should have a resource cache of sorts.
22:00 <z-man> Where you request a texture by name and get it back and don't have to worry whether it already was loaded or has to be loaded for you.
22:00 <wrtlprnft> true
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22:08 <flex> wrtlprnft, that version adds an extra like 10ms compared to the old version
22:08 <wrtlprnft> 10ms what?
22:08 <flex> ping
22:08 <wrtlprnft> you sure 10ms of ping is measurable
22:08 <flex> my ping with old client is 50-60 and with your one it's like 70-80
22:09 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't know why
22:09 <wrtlprnft> does anyone else have the same problem?
22:09 <flex> maybe the auth thing?
22:09 <wrtlprnft> no
22:09 <flex> i'm comparing at cafe
22:09 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't do anything for most of the time
22:09 <z-man> Uh oh, I just pushed the sty patch to our main branch.
22:09 <wrtlprnft> lol!
22:09 <z-man> Luckily, it hasn't been merged to SVN yet :)
22:10  * z-man needs to remember to add the --remember option ot our bzr wiki page doc
22:10 <wrtlprnft> what's that?
22:12 <z-man> it remembers the push location.
22:12 <z-man> To create the patch, I basically did
22:12 <z-man> bzr branch <mainline>
22:12 <z-man> <apply patch>
22:12 <z-man> bzr push <pig branch>
22:12 <z-man> and there, I should have put a --remember, because the next time I pused, it pushed to <mainline>
22:12 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:13 <z-man> Good thing there is "bzr push --overwrite"
22:21 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7848 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetwork.cpp): Manuel Moos: Merged memory leak fix from Pig Sty Branch.
22:22 <flex> yes wrtlprnft
22:22 <flex> rico is having same issue
22:22 <wrtlprnft> also on café?
22:22 <flex> yes
22:22 <flex> come and ask him yourself
22:22 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's café, then
22:22 <flex> he uses v2
22:22 <flex> so it could be auth
22:22 <wrtlprnft> auth doesn't actually do anything for most of the time
22:22 <flex> oh cafe yes
22:23 <flex> or^
22:23 <flex> well actually i never noticed it much anywhere else
22:23 <wrtlprnft> it authenticates once, then does nothing
22:23 <flex> so cafe could be it
22:23 <wrtlprnft> well, 10 ms of ping is nothing, anyways
22:24 <wrtlprnft> if you really want to be sure make a server on your own computer and try connecting there with both versions
22:26 <flex> when i mean 10ms i mean actually quite a difference
22:26 <flex> noticiable by 10atleast
22:26 <epsy> wtf is wmsplice ?
22:26 <epsy> vm*
22:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:26 <epsy> just to make sure i'm not using it
22:26 <epsy> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/232770527/article.pl
22:27  * epsy isn't quite sure about what runs on his machine
22:29 <epsy> btw, http://www.milw0rm.com/search.php?dong=armagetron :P
22:32 <flex> does that even work?
22:33 <flex> later
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22:41 <luke-jr> epsy: I call BS :þ
22:41 <luke-jr> it doesn't work on my server
22:42 <luke-jr> Linux hachi 2.6.22-ovz005.1-gentoo9 #2 SMP Sat Dec 1 05:31:42 UTC 2007 i686 Pentium III (Katmai) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
22:43 <luke-jr> tho it DOES work on my pbx :\
22:50 <pippijn> luke-jr: pippijn@gryphus.homeunix.net
22:50 <luke-jr> …
22:50 <pippijn> dyndns had issues
22:50 <pippijn> I'm thinking of hosting my own jabberd :-\
22:50 <pippijn> gryphus belongs to a friend of mine who uses dyndns
22:51 <pippijn> I have several nameservers
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22:51 <epsy> i stopped using dyndns since they enabled account automatic disabling
22:52 <epsy> :/
22:52 <wrtlprnft> epsy: it's annoying x_X
22:52 <pippijn> I stopped using dyndns since I got my own domain and servers
22:52 <epsy> hehe
22:52 <epsy> now i'm just linking everything with my ip in it
22:52 <pippijn> I couldn't live without anymore :-)
22:53 <epsy> that's not the best to do but...what else could i do
22:55 <epsy> #tea
22:55 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): Aneta, AshitakA, bli, cos, hoop, Minefield
22:55 <epsy> pff
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22:55 <epsy> damned ...
22:55 <epsy> i need to get a softw. sound mixer
22:57  * epsy was wondering why his mpd client didn't show the current playing song...
22:57  * epsy was playing from his phone
23:01 <luke-jr> epsy: what they don't tell you about that exploit is
23:01 <luke-jr> it screws up the system
23:01 <luke-jr> my PBX needs a reboot now
23:01 <epsy> that's why i didn't try it :P
23:02 <luke-jr> :þ
23:02 <luke-jr> well, I figured it was *only* going to give me a root shell when it works
23:02 <luke-jr> especially since Debian's bug on it has a modified version recommended
23:02 <epsy> any idea how to get dmix working with a bluetooth device?
23:02 <luke-jr> no
23:17 <flex> "Note: At the time of writing, the trunk doesn't build in windows. Hopefully we'll remember to update this page when it does."
23:17 <flex> is this still the case?
23:23 <flex> z-man?
23:24 <z-man> flex: wrtl just did a build, where is that quote from?
23:25 <flex> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Windows_Development
23:31 <wrtlprnft> might as well leave it there
23:31 <wrtlprnft> as soon as we add another file it'll break again
23:32 <flex> is cafe fixed then wrtlprnft?
23:32 <wrtlprnft> fixed?
23:32 <z-man> Was it broken?
23:33 <wrtlprnft> i think he talks about his 10ms more lag
23:33 <wrtlprnft> *he's talking
23:33 <flex> lol it's more
23:33 <flex> fps decrease as well
23:33 <flex> not just me
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23:33 <flex> major drop in fps, and ping increase of around 100
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23:34 <wrtlprnft> just on café?
23:34 -!- ct|kyl1 is now known as ct|kyle
23:34 <flex> well i only spotted it in cafe, i never checked properly everywhere
23:34 <wrtlprnft> if you use my build please remember that it's not even an alpha build
23:35 <wrtlprnft> with it would be a serious concern
23:35 <flex> np, i'm just saying
23:35 <flex> you said it was cafe, so i assumed you resolved it
23:35 <wrtlprnft> i said it might be café
23:36 <flex> slowly decreasing the fps from start of round till peak drop of 28fps..
23:36 <wrtlprnft> never noticed that myself
23:36 <flex> exactly like thing that happened in ladle
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and i rarely get more than 40fps
23:37 <flex> you can tell the difference more when the server is quite populated
23:37 <epsy> that was something related to holes inthe ladle
23:40 <z-man> That was my theory, anyway.
23:40 <epsy> well, you got to fix it, didn't you?
23:40 <z-man> If my theory was correct, yes :)
23:41 <epsy> heh
23:41 <flex> was it anything related to the client?
23:41 <flex> or just server side
23:41 <z-man> Since on the ladle, everyone was using old clients, the problem back then was server related.
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