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Log from 2008-02-12:
--- Day changed Tue Feb 12 2008
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00:02 <epsy> hm, if i consider using xclan instead of xclan.armagetron.co.uk...
00:03 <epsy> what will the suffix in md5 look likeN
00:03 <epsy> *?
00:04 <luke-jr> epsy: do note 'instead' means 'instead' ☺
00:04 <luke-jr> epsy: not 'both'
00:04 <flex> what
00:04 <epsy> hm :S
00:05 <z-man> The suffix is freely choosable.
00:05 <z-man> it could be fsdfijsdpfg'-w
00:05 <z-man> Nobody would mind :)
00:05 <epsy> so i'ill have to wipe out domain from suffix and tell all my user to relogin again?
00:05 <flex> epsy, don't tell
00:05 <flex> just wipe cookie :D
00:05 <flex> force them to relog :D
00:05 <epsy> yea i4m considering that
00:06 <flex> must more faster
00:06 <z-man> No, no such thing is required.
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00:06 <z-man> Just keep the suffix as it is.
00:06 <z-man> We're talking about the thing that enters the md5 hash, right?
00:06 <epsy> well, clients will send different hashes
00:06 <epsy> yes
00:06 <luke-jr> epsy: the domain is hashed after, IIRC
00:07 <z-man> don't worry, the clients will use the suffix you send them.
00:07 <epsy> o right
00:07 <z-man> luke-jr: exactly. besides, it's the game server IP that gets hashed :)
00:07 <epsy> *phew*
00:07 <luke-jr> z-man: the domain is never included in the hash? :o
00:07 <z-man> No, why should it?
00:08 <luke-jr> same reason the login-part is
00:08 <z-man> To keep it secret?
00:09 <luke-jr> login-part isn't secret
00:10 <epsy> guru3, then, i'ill be willing to map xclan -> xclan.armagetron.co.uk
00:11 <z-man> Sure you want the clan in there?
00:11  * luke-jr ponders if the mapping has been implemented
00:11 <epsy> x is better ?
00:12 <z-man> Could create a rush for the other letters :)
00:12 <luke-jr> z-man: does Arma follow domain remapping?
00:12 <z-man> like xxx.com
00:12 <epsy> ^^
00:12 <flex> lol
00:12 <z-man> luke-jr: How should I know? We just use nanohttp.
00:12 <guru3> epsy: if you want to run authentication on xclan.authentication.armagetronad.net
00:12 <z-man> It works for forums, I can't see why it shouldn't work for everyone else :)
00:12 <guru3> you wont be able to run it on xclan.armagetron.co.uk
00:12 <luke-jr> z-man: domain remapping is on a higher level
00:12 <luke-jr> z-man: the forums don't remap
00:13 <flex> x would be cool :D
00:13 <luke-jr> remapping is where:
00:13 <luke-jr> 1) epsy logs in as epsy@x
00:13 <epsy> guru3, hm, but how do i access the DB from there?
00:13 <guru3> it's a redirect
00:13 <luke-jr> 2) x.authentication.armagetronad.net verifies the hash as epsy@xclan.armagetron.co.uk
00:13 <guru3> a CNAME
00:13 <luke-jr> 3) server double checks with xclan.armagetron.co.uk to verify it's ok with this
00:13 <epsy> where is the difference then??
00:13 <z-man> luke-jr is complicating things again.
00:13 <guru3> but you can't authenticate to two places at once
00:14 <luke-jr> z-man: this isn't new
00:14 <epsy> so i shouldn't accept auth attempts with xclan.armagetron.co.uk ?
00:14 <luke-jr> that's why the authority sends "I know this guy as …"
00:14 <guru3> epsy: yes
00:14 <epsy> but only with xclan.authentication.armagetronad.net
00:14 <z-man> No, that's just to fix up disambiguities with case insensitive name lookups.
00:15 <guru3> epsy: yes
00:15 <luke-jr> epsy: unless domain mapping *does* work, then you could map to the full length one
00:15 <guru3> that's how i would interprate it
00:15 <luke-jr> z-man: so in other words, it's not implemented
00:15 <epsy> guru3, is there a way i can send a message to my users standing they can login with @x ?
00:15 <z-man> No, of course not, because it is completely unnecessary complication.
00:16 <luke-jr> z-man: guess what? we just hit a real-world need for it
00:16 <luke-jr> oh well
00:16 <z-man> epsy: yes, just let the script answer "please login as <user>@x"
00:16 <guru3> we're not so set in stone
00:16 <epsy> like USER_NOT_FOUND Use x instead of xclan.armagetron.co.uk
00:16 <z-man> yes, exactly.
00:16 <epsy> ok
00:16 <luke-jr> epsy: or DOMAIN_NOT_FOUND, IIRC
00:17 <z-man> luke-jr: you miss the point of the shortcuts.
00:17 <z-man> the point is not that users get it easier to log in, the point is to have shorter user names.
00:17 <epsy> guru3, ok, can we setup that tomorrow ?
00:17 <luke-jr> z-man: you miss the problem
00:17 <guru3> epsy: i suppose so
00:17 <luke-jr> z-man: the problem is that epsy is forced to create new usernames for all his accounts
00:17 <epsy> ok, good night all
00:18 <epsy> ?
00:18 <luke-jr> all his previous statistics are lost under the old usernames
00:18 <luke-jr> and if he has any authority in servers, the admins there need to make the change too
00:19 <luke-jr> if he signed up for any tournaments, he might miss them because his username changed
00:19 <luke-jr> etc
00:19 <epsy> it's ok
00:19 <z-man> Well, but the whole operation would be entirely pointless, were it not for the changed usernames.
00:19 <z-man> besides, YOUR SCRIPT can just map the old usernames to the new ones.
00:19 <z-man> It's not like you'll have to do it for every user separately.
00:20 <epsy> your scrip = luke-jr's or mine?
00:20 <z-man> lukes.
00:20 <luke-jr> z-man: my script can ONLY if every change tells me
00:20 <luke-jr> and again, every other script needs to be told as well
00:20 <luke-jr> and all server admins etc
00:20 <z-man> We can keep a database of authority renamings.
00:21 <luke-jr> and for it to work right, all scripts/servers need to change at the exact same time
00:21 <luke-jr> z-man: we could, but then someone will cry security/privacy
00:21 <z-man> Oh, shut up already.
00:21 <epsy> man, that's a one week stats loss
00:21 <flex> haha
00:22 <epsy> is that even noticeable
00:22 <epsy> only for like the 10 users who played with it
00:22 <luke-jr> epsy: shrug, that's just your case too
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00:24 <luke-jr> ARGH
00:24 <luke-jr> z-man: thanks a lot; someone's running new-auth-usernames without updating their script again
00:35 <flex> <3 luke :p
00:36 <luke-jr> z-man: btw, how does LEGACY_whatever handle spaces in names?
00:37 <z-man> Same as always: in reguar player names, it gets replaced by an underscore, in authenticated names by \_.
00:39 <luke-jr> is escaping in auth names exactly the same?
00:39 <z-man> Yes.
00:39 <luke-jr> ok, thanks
00:39  * luke-jr ponders how to handle this
00:40 <z-man> You mean 0:0:?
00:41 <luke-jr> no, the problem is that I need to make my code *not* de-escape auth'd names
00:41 <luke-jr> while still de-escaping normal names
00:41 <luke-jr> not sure on how to do that reliably
00:43 <z-man> Why do you want to de-escape them?
00:43 <luke-jr> internal storage is 'legacy' at the moment
00:44 <luke-jr> [^\\](\\\\)*@
00:44 <luke-jr> that *might* work
00:45 <luke-jr> can the username-part be null?
00:45 <z-man> Umm, we better not allow that :)
00:48 <luke-jr> doesn't matter, "null" was defined in this case as including '\' and such ☹
00:48 <luke-jr> so I expanded it to (?:[^\\]|^)(\\\\)*@
00:49 <luke-jr> under non-legacy, non-auth-usernames still undergo the same space-to-underscore translation before being escaped?
00:49 <luke-jr> or do they have the full character set now?
00:50 <luke-jr> http://ratings.armagetronad.net/?authonly=1 btw
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00:58 <luke-jr> there, xclan is now mapping to @x for me
00:59 <luke-jr> s/^(0:.*\@x)clan\.armagetron\.co\.uk$/$1/
01:00  * luke-jr ponders if that can be broken
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01:09 <flex> is it ok to use two different ID's?
01:10 <flex> flex@x and flex@forums
01:14 <flex> #rating flex
01:14 <armabot> flex: flex is 273rd with a rating of 1549-1694 (from 1550-1693)
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01:16 <flex> #rating flex@x
01:16 <armabot> flex: I don't know anything about 'flex@x'!
01:17 <flex> #rating flex@forums
01:17 <armabot> flex: I don't know anything about 'flex@forums'!
01:17 <flex> #rating |x|_flex
01:17 <armabot> flex: |x|_flex is 186th with a rating of 1567-1602 (from 1571-1598)
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7871 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eGrid.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed cycle memory leaks.
01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7872 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eAdvWall.cpp src/tron/gWall.cpp): Manuel Moos: Using a single glBegin(GL_QUADS) block for all rim walls now.
01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7873 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rFont.cpp): Manuel Moos: Avoiding mode changes.
01:29 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7874 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: Made the display list menu a threefold choice: off, create and call, create and execute.
01:30 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7875 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rFont.cpp): Manuel Moos: Avoiding more mode switches.
01:31 <luke-jr> @aka flex
01:31 <luke-jr> #aka flex
01:31 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿10248 savas flex
01:31 <luke-jr> flex: you have too many ids
01:32 <luke-jr> #aka |x|_Flex
01:32 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿9186 |x|_flex lizguy flexx lizflex flex/forums flex\@armagetron
01:32 <luke-jr> #aka 0:Flex@forums
01:32 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿11459 0:Flex@forums
01:32 <luke-jr> #aka 0:Flex@x
01:32 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿11454 0:Flex@xclan.armagetron.co.uk 0:Flex@x
01:32  * luke-jr spanks flex
01:33  * ct|kyle kills luke-jr
01:33 <luke-jr> #aka ct_ky13
01:33 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿1516 ct_ky13
01:33 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: do you even login yet?
01:33 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: yes
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01:35 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:35 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 6.1°F (6:35 PM CST on February 11, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -4.0°F. Windchill: -11.2°F. Pressure: 29.17 in 987.7 hPa (Rising).
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01:46 <flex> luke-jr, I only have two :p
01:47 <flex> I think..
01:50  * flex slaps luke-jr around a bit with a large trout
01:50 <flex> lol
01:50 <flex> i haven't used that in a long time :p
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01:59 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7876 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycle.cpp src/tron/gWall.cpp src/tron/gWall.h): Manuel Moos: Avoiding mode changes for cycle walls, too.
01:59 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7877 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rDisplayList.cpp): Manuel Moos: Added display list statistics.
02:00 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7878 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycle.cpp): Manuel Moos: Removing expired walls from render list.
02:01 <fonkay> 'ello?
02:01 <flex> hello
02:02 <fonkay> fonkay's here now, where's the party?
02:03 <flex> urm what party
02:06 <z-man> The party that is everywhere where a lone female being enters a chatroom full of geeky men :)
02:06 <fonkay> Indeed
02:07 <flex> what female..
02:07 <flex> where
02:07 <fonkay> spidey
02:07 <flex> spidey is a female?
02:07 <fonkay> where are you when we need you?
02:07 <fonkay> yes
02:07 <flex> I never knew that
02:08 <fonkay> lightcycles are decievingly unisex
02:08 <flex> I never seen spidey on the grid either..
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02:09 <fonkay> lucky you
02:09 <fonkay> spidey's a crazy chicken.
02:11 <flex> kyle
02:11 <flex> ct|kyle
02:12 <ct|kyle> flex: flex flex flex
02:13 <flex> u fag
02:13 <Stewie-arma> yeah well spidey is still a girl...
02:13 <Stewie-arma> no scratch that
02:13 <Stewie-arma> his brother is, The_Acid. he's a girl
02:14 <flex> i don't think anyone was disputing that.. (the spidey_ being a girl part)
02:15 <fonkay> no one could
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02:36 <fonkay> so this is it? no party?
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02:39 <flex> what do you have in mind fonkay? :p
02:42 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7879 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycle.cpp src/tron/gWall.cpp): Manuel Moos: Last one for today: removing walls that are really dead and vanished from the rendering list.
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04:04 <Stewie-arma> hmm it's a party now...
04:04 <P4> luke-jr: ping
04:13 <P4> #m luke-jr can you remind me the link you gave me describing how does your rating system works? or just the name of that system, please
04:13 <armabot> P4: The operation succeeded.
04:29 <ct|kyle> P4: http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/
04:35 <ct|kyle> #m P4 Luke-Jr stats http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/
04:35 <armabot> ct|kyle: The operation succeeded.
04:41 <luke-jr> P4: Glicko2
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10:31 <luke-jr> <+HoCkster> I got an official warning from my bank // <+HoCkster> I usually pay my rent as "Columbian Drug Money", they never objected // <+HoCkster> but then I forgot my mates cell phone number, // <+HoCkster> we were both doing internet banking at the same time right // <@Lilzvixen> welcome to my room // <+HoCkster> so I give him a 1 cent payment going "What's your number" // <+HoCkster> and we start having this whole
10:31 <luke-jr> conversation // <+HoCkster> it was like webchat // <+HoCkster> so like 87 payments later, the bank rings me up and were like // <+HoCkster> "have you thought of getting MSN?"
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12:22 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7880 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/Makefile.am src/render/rGL.cpp src/render/rGL.h): Manuel Moos: Backported OpenGL error dedection code from the trunk.
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13:46 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7884 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Fixed wall display list generation some more.
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15:20 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7885 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (10 files in 5 dirs): Manuel Moos: Disabled support for antialiasing and perspective correction settings. Antialiasing never worked properly anyway, and disabling perspective correction is just stupid :)
15:21 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7886 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp src/render/rGLRender.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed unitialized variable bugs.
15:22 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7887 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rFont.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed another OpenGL usage bug, the white background was rendered without starting a new Quad block.
15:22 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7888 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rDisplayList.cpp): Manuel Moos: More debug checks.
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16:57 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7890 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eAdvWall.cpp): Manuel Moos: Disabling wall "shadows" when display lists are used for them. Let's see if we can find something smarter.
16:58 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: you mean the shadows you get with rim walls?
16:58 <z-man-work> yeah.
16:58 <z-man-work> Their rendering is camera dependant and does not fit into a display list.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> weren't those just a hack so you could see rim walls when looking at them from the wrong direction?
16:59 <z-man-work> No, they were a hack to allow you seeing where walls are when the camera is sitting directly inside of them.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> that's what i meant
17:00 <z-man-work> ah, ok.
17:01 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7892 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Better texture support: You can now choose if you want your texture to repeat in
17:01 <armabot> armagetronad: the x-, y- or both directions. This needs two extra openGL calls per texture
17:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Select() since there can be multiple places using the same phyiscal texture with
17:01 <armabot> armagetronad: different settings, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem
17:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Made the interface a bit more intuitive: You can actually call the
17:01 <armabot> armagetronad: rResourceTexture constructor to get a texture and don't need to deal with the
17:01 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7889 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Fixed wall flickering.
17:02  * wrtlprnft shouldn't write such long commit messages
17:02 <wrtlprnft> by the way, i think my 0.2.8 build with debug does render a lot faster. for any real world test i'd need a trunk build, though
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17:06 <CraYSuPeRcOm> help! help! in desperate need, i went to upgrade to 1.1.3 from jailbreak 1.1.2, and my phone is totally F--ed
17:07 <CraYSuPeRcOm> now i cant even restore from itunes
17:07 <wrtlprnft> what's jailbreak?
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17:15 <flex> haha
17:44 <Hoax-> flex, was that even you in sumo
17:54 <flex> ytes
17:54 <flex> it was me
17:54 <flex> why?
17:54 <flex> i had numb hands
17:54 <flex> i was cold, leave me alone!
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18:12 <epsy> guru3, you there?
18:13 <guru3> no ;)
18:14 <epsy> i have some time, can we setup the x -> xclan stuff?
18:14 <guru3> we can try
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18:15 <wrtlprnft> another system updated to the newest kernel…
18:18 <epsy> ok, i've set my script to only accept connections at xclan.authentication.armagetronad.net, is that right if i want « x » as alias ?
18:19 <epsy> still didn't upload the new version, i want to be sure about it
18:19 <guru3> a square-square-x-square-square-square-square alias?
18:20 <guru3> xclan would be the alias
18:20 <guru3> aka /login xclan
18:20 <epsy> er, no just "x" without quotes
18:20 <guru3> alias.authentication.armagetronad.net
18:20 <epsy> right.
18:20  * wrtlprnft notes that there are just 26 letters in the alphabet
18:21 <epsy> who will reserve D ? :P
18:21 <flex> who will reserve "1"
18:21 <wrtlprnft> flex: 1 isn't possible anyways
18:22 <flex> guess nobody then :p
18:22 <epsy> guru3, i go for x.authentication.armagetronad.net then
18:22 <wrtlprnft> guru3: what about x.clans.authentication.armagetronad.net?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> then we can have all clans in their own category
18:22 <wrtlprnft> maybe get rid of the 's'
18:22 <epsy> /login x.clans ? huh
18:22 <wrtlprnft> /login x.clan
18:22 <flex> i object!
18:22 <flex> what's the difference?
18:22 <guru3> x.clan.authentication then
18:23  * wrtlprnft is just suggesting stuff
18:23 <flex> so if a team or group of people get x because they don't see themselves as a clan?
18:23 <guru3> i'm now debating
18:23 <z-man-work> Err, won't work with the current server code.
18:23 <guru3> i.am.silly.authentication.armagetronad.net
18:23 <z-man-work> x.clan will stay x.clan and won't get expanded.
18:23 <guru3> or
18:23 <guru3> supercallyfragilisticexpialadocious.authentication.armagetronad.net
18:23 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: ah, right
18:24 <guru3> (yes the sound of that is something quite attrocious)
18:24 <wrtlprnft> it checks if there's a . in the authority, right?
18:24 <z-man-work> yes.
18:24 <epsy> guru3, i'ill go for x
18:24 <wrtlprnft> forget it, then :-(
18:24 <wrtlprnft> can i have w?
18:24 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft@w
18:24 <epsy> lol :)
18:24 <wrtlprnft> or t, maybe
18:24 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnf@t
18:25 <guru3> lol
18:25 <epsy> h@x
18:25 <z-man-work> I want n!
18:25 <z-man-work> z-m@n
18:25 <guru3> guru@3
18:25 <guru3> tank progr@m
18:25 <wrtlprnft> guru3: won't work :-(
18:26 <epsy> tank.progr@m
18:26 <guru3> auth names can have spaces
18:27 <guru3> but nah
18:27 <wrtlprnft> if you like having tank\ progr@m in your logs…
18:27 <guru3> i think i'll keep @ forums
18:27 <guru3> i don't read mah logs
18:27 <guru3> epsy: what do i need to CNAME to?
18:28 <epsy> xclan.armagetron.co.uk leads to our site
18:29 <epsy> should i check for it's ip?
18:29 <guru3> as long as whatever server xclan.armagetron.co.uk is aware that it should also answer to x.authentication.armagetronad.net
18:30 <epsy> well, gets to another server
18:30 <epsy> si you'ill need double redirection i guess
18:30 <epsy> so*
18:30 <guru3> do you mean to say i will need it
18:30 <guru3> or you will need it
18:31 <epsy> i mean that otherwise i wont work
18:31 <epsy> it*
18:31 <guru3> ...
18:31 <guru3> do you host xclan.armagetronad.net
18:31 <guru3> *xclan.armagetron.co.uk
18:32 <epsy> no myself
18:32 <epsy> *no
18:32 <guru3> where does it go to if xclan.armagetron.co.uk is a redirect
18:35 <epsy> i am searching
18:40 <wrtlprnft> wtf
18:40 <wrtlprnft> my master is denying people their login attempts
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18:40  * z-man-work whistles
18:40 <wrtlprnft> wtf.
18:41 <wrtlprnft> [2008/02/12 18:41:03] [17] Players from IP are banned for 6 minutes. Reason: None given.
18:41 <epsy> hm
18:41 <wrtlprnft> it banned itself
18:41 <z-man-work> which code are you running?
18:41 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8 I think
18:41 <wrtlprnft> some older checkout
18:42 <z-man-work> hmm, that has always worked fine for me.
18:42 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad-master-0.2.8_alpha20061205
18:42 <wrtlprnft> i'll just delete the ban
18:43 <wrtlprnft> that is, if i can figure out where it stores its bans
18:43 <wrtlprnft> not in var
18:43 <wrtlprnft> apparently it doesn't store it at all
18:44 <epsy> hm, theses servers arent wanting to give any cname
18:44 <wrtlprnft> that did the trick
18:44 <wrtlprnft> ah, i think i get it
18:44 <wrtlprnft> i set the clock back by 30 minutes after the server was started
18:47 <epsy> guru3, it can't work with xclan.armagerton.co.uk as cname?
18:47 <guru3> the server at xclan.armagetron.co.uk needs to know to answer to xclan.authentication.armagetronad.net as a domain name
18:47 <guru3> not a http redirect
18:48 <epsy> guru3, and you think it's doing an http redirect?
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18:49 <guru3> yes
18:49 <epsy> hm, why?
18:50 <guru3> because it's not a cname
18:50 <guru3> eithe that or it's there
18:50 <epsy> "it's there" ?
18:51 <guru3> there is no redirection
18:51 <z-man-work> It doesn't look like a redirect to me, I disabled redirects and still could get the site.
18:51 <z-man-work> Why would a CNAME not work?
18:52 <guru3> if it's on a hosting company
18:52 <guru3> and it's not setup to respond to xclan.authentication.armagetronad.net
18:52 <guru3> using vhosts
18:52 <z-man-work> ah, ok.
18:54 <epsy> well i will talk to the site owner
18:54 <guru3> ok
18:54 <z-man-work> Of course, there would be alternatives, we could use proxy scripts instead of CNAMEs.
18:55 <guru3> i was bored today: http://electricpotential.net/temp/landgen.php
18:55 <epsy> did you bind from xclan.authentication.armagetronad.net or x.authentication.armagetronad.net
18:55 <guru3> i haven't done anything yet
18:55 <guru3> because of dns propogation times
18:55 <epsy> oh ok
18:55 <guru3> id rahter get it right on the first shot
18:55 <guru3> as trying to fix it could be rather time consuming
18:55 <epsy> i see
18:56 <wrtlprnft> epsy: you could host a proxy auth server somewhere
18:56 <epsy> somewhere?
18:56 <z-man-work> Anywhere. On a home server, for example.
18:56 <wrtlprnft> or the one that hosts your arma server :-P
18:56 <epsy> i don't own any
18:57 <epsy> heh
18:57 <wrtlprnft> you'd have to talk with the owner of that, though
18:57 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ok i'm going to talk to him right now, but right now eh ;p
18:57 <wrtlprnft> you'd better do so :-P
18:58 <wrtlprnft> anyways, see if you can get it to work without a proxy first
18:58 <epsy> wrtlprnft, so i'd just relay the queries et the answers?
18:58 <wrtlprnft> epsy: yeah, that should work fine
18:58 <epsy> er.. *and
18:58 <epsy> wrtlprnft, php hasn't curl support on your machine if i remember correctly
18:59 <wrtlprnft> well, that can be changed
18:59 <wrtlprnft> i'll do it tomorrow, though
18:59 <wrtlprnft> otherwise the people on café will kill me
19:00 <epsy> hrhr
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19:12 <kidanger> #serverinfo kunai
19:12 <armabot> kidanger: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “kunai” at the moment, sorry.
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19:38 <flex> fle@x
19:38 <flex> pwned
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19:40 <flex> ha-ha-ha- ho-ho-ho- ha-ha-ha
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20:09 <kidanger> epsy: tu vois le serveur "Kunai |Shooting|" dans la liste ?
20:12 <epsy> #sd kuns
20:12 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “kuns” at the moment, sorry.
20:12 <epsy> #sd kun
20:12 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “kun” at the moment, sorry.
20:15 <kidanger> epsy: ba armabot le voit pas :S
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20:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: what do you think about including authentication info in those big server messages so my script (and the clients) can parse it?
20:43 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: and we could go and include the network version in the requestBigServerInfo messages so we'll have less trouble when we finally implement utf-8
20:49 <epsy> wrtlprnft, in players lists?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> epsy: the stuff the server sends when a client populates the server browser
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21:38 <luke-jr> #markov wrtlprnft:
21:38 <g5vc> :D
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21:41 <beta|AoS|> epsy: merci à tout ceux qui m'on kické 2 rounds après que je joine...
21:41 <epsy> beta|AoS|, ça t'apprendra à utiliser un nom d'inconnu -.-
21:41 <beta|AoS|> Super très malin ça. kickons tous ceux qu'on ne connait pas.
21:42 <luke-jr> #ping
21:42 <armabot> pong
21:42 <luke-jr> #markov wrtlprnft:
21:42 <epsy> ben c'est à dire que tu tombais au mauvais moment
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21:45 <wrtlprnft> #relead markov
21:45 <wrtlprnft> #reload markov
21:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin markov exists.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> #reload Markov
21:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: don't ask me why it needs that
21:45 <luke-jr> #markov wrtlprnft:
21:45 <luke-jr> still no go
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21:46 <wrtlprnft> #markov luke-jr 
21:46 <wrtlprnft> #list markov
21:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: firsts, follows, lasts, markov, pairs, and stats
21:47 <wrtlprnft> #markov markov
21:47 <wrtlprnft> ImportError: No module named _bsddb
21:47 <wrtlprnft> that's what supybot is spitting at me
21:48 <luke-jr> i c
21:49 <wrtlprnft> #reload Markov
21:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
21:49 <luke-jr> #markov wrtlprnft:
21:51 <wrtlprnft> no, i was just looking when the message would appear
21:51 <wrtlprnft> directly after loading
21:53 <wrtlprnft> * dev-python/bsddb3 Available versions:  4.5.0 {doc} Homepage:            http://pybsddb.sourceforge.net/ Description:         Python bindings for BerkeleyDB
21:53 <wrtlprnft> maybe that's what i need
21:57 <luke-jr> maybe
21:59 <flex0> wrtlprnft we got some dick in cafe, mind assisting please :)
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22:05 <Hoax-> #tea
22:05 <armabot> Hoax-: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): .:] Goody, /dev/null/h4ck, 31013, CTxGonzap, CT_emmy, deadskater01, Eleanic, hoop, Knus, ToA, wrtlprnft |mbc|, |x| Sticky, ~"XzL.PuNish, ¦×¦epsy
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22:34 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7893 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rDisplayList.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed Create-and-Call playlist mode.
22:41 <armabot> lpbugs: [191371] Sporadic display list crashes
22:46 <z-man> ooh, nice!
22:46 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:47 <z-man> The bug reporting armabot.
22:47 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's nice to see
22:47 <wrtlprnft> of course i sooner or later get the e-mail, too
22:48 <wrtlprnft> but those things might spark a discussion :-)
22:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7894 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Manuel Moos: Bye, bye, Z-Trick. It was nice while it lasted. *sniff*
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7895 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad: Automatic merging of commits that would change history order:
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad:  revno: 602.1.2
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad:  committer: wrtlprnft <wrtlprnft@users.sf.net>
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad:  branch nick: 0.2.8
22:58 <wrtlprnft> wow.
22:59 <z-man> Good to see that works in practice.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> :D
23:00  * wrtlprnft goes update his server
23:00 <wrtlprnft> #reload Markov
23:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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23:01 <z-man> Just put "merging" as the merge commit message :)
23:01 <wrtlprnft> ok
23:01 <wrtlprnft> i was just confused
23:01 <wrtlprnft> i thought it might want me to enter my original ci message again
23:01 <z-man> Or use "bzr rebase" instead, that avoids the reordering.
23:01 <wrtlprnft> i knew there was something
23:01 <wrtlprnft> i followed the instructions on the wiki
23:01 <z-man> No, that's handled automatically. BZR keeps merging metainfo.
23:01 <wrtlprnft> but they changed since the last time i looked at them
23:01 <z-man> Yeah, merging is the easier way :)
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23:03 <wrtlprnft> but i never knew you could to /admin CYCLE_RUBBER 0 KILL some_player SAY HAHA!
23:03 <wrtlprnft> i thought one line of /admin == one command
23:03 <wrtlprnft> err, what
23:03 <wrtlprnft> i think i deleted doc/COPYING or something
23:04 <z-man> What? I thought that, too.
23:04 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue how i did that, though
23:04 <wrtlprnft> i certainly didn't delete that
23:05 <wrtlprnft> now, what's the least stupid way to restore it?
23:07 <z-man> Hmm, in svn, you could revive an old revision.
23:08 <wrtlprnft> svn wouldn't let you delete the file in the first place without using an explicit call to svn remove
23:09 <z-man> bzr usually doesn't do that, either.
23:09 <z-man> I think.
23:10  * wrtlprnft neither deleted the file using rm nor bzr
23:10 <z-man> Oh, indeed, it deletes automatically.
23:11 <z-man> Maybe we have a script that deletes/moves the file?
23:11 <wrtlprnft> oooh
23:11 <wrtlprnft> i did make distclean
23:11 <z-man> Ah, fine :)
23:12 <z-man> because the file should not be there :)
23:12 <wrtlprnft> because i originally configured that working copy directly using ./configure but then decided to use seperate build dirs to build both the client and the server
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23:12 <wrtlprnft> ah, great
23:12 <z-man> Yes, it's fine. Somebody must have added it accidentally, maybe my script.
23:14 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/doc/COPYING.txt?view=log&pathrev=7894
23:14 <wrtlprnft> quite old actually
23:14 <z-man> Yeah, it happened when we cleaned up the project right after I joined armagetronad.
23:15 <wrtlprnft> what a memorable date :)
23:15 <z-man> I guess I should put up the deletion warning next to the "bzr works just like svn" section.
23:15  * wrtlprnft only knows those times from ancient forum threads he stumbled over
23:25 <epsy> gn
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23:55 <flex0> http://teamfbi.co.nz/pictures/roflbrothel.gif
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r7896 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gWinZone.cpp): Manuel Moos: Display lists for zones, too.
23:59  * wrtlprnft would rather have dynamic reordering of the individual zone segments to avoid rendering bugs

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