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Log from 2007-11-10:
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01:17 <luke-jr> define "really good"
01:17 <ct|kyle> you re a n00b
01:19 <luke-jr> ct|kyle:
01:19 <luke-jr>  שטח דיסק
01:28 <Lucifer> I am
01:28 <Lucifer> er, that was in response to GodTodd (hi there!)
01:28 <ct|kyle> oi Lucifer
01:28 <Lucifer> ui
01:31 <ct|kyle> so radiant heat?
01:33 <Lucifer> what about it?
01:33 <Lucifer> that's what we're up against, isn't it?  ;)
01:33 <ct|kyle> is that what we are going to use?
01:44 <Lucifer> ?
01:44 <Lucifer> er, maybe you should be more specific about what you're asking :)
01:44 <Lucifer> have you tried checking out the subversion repository?
01:44 <ct|kyle> ya i have it
01:46 <Lucifer> so, during the day, we've got radiant heat to deal with
01:46 <Lucifer> we need to quantify that somehow in the lunar surface conditions file
01:47 <ct|kyle> btw how do i use this t2t
01:48 <Lucifer> you mean to edit the file, or to render it to something?
01:48 <ct|kyle> yes
01:49 <Lucifer> use any plaintext editor with which you're comfortable
01:49 <Lucifer> you're using linux, right?
01:49 <ct|kyle> yes
01:49 <ct|kyle> gentoo
01:50 <Lucifer> there's a syntax highlighter file available for kate
01:50 <Lucifer> kubuntu ships with it, or maybe it installs with txt2tags, I forget
01:50 <Lucifer> then, when you want to render it, you go in a terminal to the document and say:
01:50 <ct|kyle> yes i have santex hilighter
01:50 <Lucifer> txt2tags thefile.t2t
01:51 <Lucifer> there's some other options, like to make html with nice css (so we can provide a stylesheet that makes it look awesome) you do:
01:51 <Lucifer> txt2tags --html --css-sugar thefile.t2t
01:51 <Lucifer> I forget arguments sometimes :)
01:51 <Lucifer> you should install a latex package if you want to print
01:52 <Lucifer> then you do, for example (I print from pdf):
01:52 <Lucifer> txt2tags --tex thefile.t2t && latex -output-format=pdf thefile.tex
01:52 <Lucifer> you can print the html files if you want, doesn't matter a whole lot, but if we're going to print for presentation purposes (like to solicit funding) we'll want to go through latex
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02:01 <ct|kyle> ok
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02:09 <GodTodd> Lucifer: in response to my call for help on the spreadsheet thing...nvm i figured it out :)
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02:31 <ct|kyle> lucifer ping
02:35 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: pong
02:35 <Lucifer> this time of night I have a million things going on behind me that need attention, I feel like a kernel scheduler and all the tasks its scheduling rolled into one
02:36 <ct|kyle> i've been looking into acumulating power
02:37 <ct|kyle> Radioisotope thermoelectric generator
02:42 <GodTodd> Lucifer: what's the rover svn repo in case i get a chance to help out
02:44 <Lucifer> GodTodd: er, I forget.  :)
02:44 <Lucifer> I'll have to make a user for you
02:44 <Lucifer> er, you already have a user, I think
02:44 <Lucifer> lemme check it in a minute
02:44 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: isn't that where you toss up some plutonium or other radioactive material?
02:45 <GodTodd> Lucifer: unless you've deleted my user, i've already got one :P
02:45 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i think so
02:45 <Lucifer> it's probably safe to rule out anything that requires IAEA approval and oversight :)
02:46 <Lucifer> GodTodd: I rearranged and the old repositories are still hidden, just haven't had time to bring them back yet
02:46 <Lucifer> they're active in the sense that any attempt to work on them will be stopped until I fix it :)
02:46 <ct|kyle> I don't know i think this may be the best change to survive the night
02:46 <GodTodd> heh
02:46 <Lucifer> http://svn.davefancella.com/login/  <--- have you seen this screen yet?
02:46 <ct|kyle> chance*
02:47 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: heh, depends on how it works out.  Find out what isotopes we can use and how easy they are to get hold of?
02:47 <Lucifer> plutonium and uranium are probably out, they cost probably more than we'd win.  :)
02:47 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: that is what i'm working on
02:47 <Lucifer> ko
02:47 <Lucifer> curious about Radon, that's supposed to be relatively common
02:49 <Lucifer> GodTodd: added you to the group
02:49 <Lucifer> login on that login screen and there's a checkout url in there somewhere
02:50 <GodTodd> yeah
02:50 <GodTodd> got it :)
02:51 <Lucifer> you probably also noticed some projects that were missing, like the website :/
02:51 <GodTodd> yeah
02:51 <Lucifer> probably I need to add usvn to its own repository and just start hacking on it when I have time, it's nice but needs work
02:52 <Lucifer> like with the trevor group, I clicked to add you, but it's a listbox, so everybody else got deselected
02:52 <Lucifer> meaning I had to go back through and shift-click everybody :/
02:52 <Lucifer> they're still there, but they can't be accessed since usvn took control of the group file
02:52 <Lucifer> so I need to get usvn to import them somehow
02:53 <GodTodd> svn: URL 'https://svn.davefancella.com/trevor/trunk' doesn't exist
02:54 <Lucifer> er
02:54 <Lucifer> take trunk off
02:54 <Lucifer> I deleted it
02:57 <GodTodd> coo
02:57 <GodTodd> got it
02:57 <GodTodd> (might want to revise the url listed on usvn then ;))
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03:12 <Lucifer> GodTodd: it's automatically generated
03:12 <GodTodd> ah
03:13 <Lucifer> I need a tabbed pdf viewer
03:13 <Lucifer> aha, konqueror :)
03:14 <GodTodd> is there anything it *can't* do? ;)
03:15 <Lucifer> well, it wiped my ass the other day, so I'm gonna have to say no
03:26 <GodTodd> heh
03:27 <GodTodd> oh...btw...i have karen dual booting vista and ubuntu
03:28 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: wich one do you use the most?
03:28 <GodTodd> soon as she figures out how to get her work stuff working through wine she wants me to wipe vista
03:28 <GodTodd> i don't use vista at all
03:28 <ct|kyle> good
03:28 <GodTodd> i tried it on her new lappy and hated it
03:29 <GodTodd> ive used it for about 10 total minutes
03:29 <Lucifer> heh, she didn't like vista either?  ;)
03:29 <GodTodd> i use ubuntu personally
03:29 <ct|kyle> i used it for a month while it was free
03:29 <GodTodd> she hates it almost as much as i do :)
03:30 <GodTodd> one good thing about vista...should help the linux market share grow :)
03:30 <ct|kyle> ya
03:31 <ct|kyle> that is what i predicted
03:31 <GodTodd> she's already been very impressed with ubuntu
03:32 <GodTodd> yeah...people at school thought i was crazy when i predicted microsoft to be a small player in oses by around 2020 or 2030
03:32 <ct|kyle> i like gentoo
03:32 <GodTodd> i stand by it tho
03:32 <GodTodd> relatively small player*
03:33 <GodTodd> linux is getting better/stronger and windows is getting weaker/stupider....easy math to do :)
03:34 <ct|kyle> ya
03:34 <ct|kyle> what linux really needs now is Direct X support
03:35 <luke-jr> DirectX sucks
03:35 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: SUCKS
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03:37 <GodTodd> honestly i haven't run into a situation where i *had* to run anything in windows....i don't even have to run wine much
03:37 <GodTodd> linux has so much choice of stuff to use to do anything i want to do
03:38 <GodTodd> if my youngest's laptop didn't have issues with the boot disk i'd set it up so that he never uses windows at home
03:38 <GodTodd> ever
03:38 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: yes but game compatibility is what the problem is right now
03:39 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't game much...i'm a boring schoolwork/writer type ;)
03:39 <ct|kyle> heh
03:39 <ct|kyle> I use Wine for 1 app, that i probably could get something just as good
03:40 <GodTodd> hell...my wife even worked her way through getting m$ money working on ubuntu
03:40 <GodTodd> unfortunately linux has yet to come up with personal accounting software that we like
03:40 <ct|kyle> my bigest problem right now is i am forced to take this office 2007 class
03:41 <GodTodd> sorry :)
03:41 <ct|kyle> and i'll probbaly have to take visual C++
03:41 <GodTodd> i'm lucky...my java teachers don't care how we program the stuff...so i use kate and javac
03:41 <GodTodd> :)
03:42 <ct|kyle> i like eclipse for java
03:42 <GodTodd> eclipse is ok...but a memory hog
03:42 <GodTodd> as is netbeans
03:43 <luke-jr> I used kwrite and gcj
03:43 <ct|kyle> college for me is pointless right now
03:44 <GodTodd> yeah...i won't get into the good stuff for around another couple semesters
03:44 <GodTodd> tho physics is the beginning of the fun stuff
03:44 <GodTodd> :)
03:45 <ct|kyle> what sucks is i have to retake math classes in order to take physics
03:45 <luke-jr> college is always pointless
03:45 <GodTodd> what math classes you have to retake?
03:45 <ct|kyle> i had this question
03:45 <ct|kyle> ____ transfers files between local and remote host computers.
03:46 <GodTodd> heh
03:46 <GodTodd> go with "magic"
03:46 <GodTodd> :)
03:46 <ct|kyle> TCP and FTP were choices
03:47 <GodTodd> i still say "magic"
03:47 <ct|kyle> trigonometry
03:47 <ct|kyle> i puth TCP and got it wrond
03:47 <ct|kyle> wrong*
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03:48 <GodTodd> since august of 06 i've had to take trig, precal, calculus and calculus 2
03:48 <GodTodd> yeah...for a braindead class i would have gone with ftp
03:49 <GodTodd> when i was getting my AAS i pissed off my comp literacy teacher
03:49 <GodTodd> i argued with her over disk defragmenter
03:50 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: argue
03:50 <GodTodd> she was insistent that you never want to schedule it to run because defragmenting too often would wear out your HDD
03:50 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: FTP uses TCP
03:50 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: i did and got the points back
03:50 <luke-jr> FTP is also not the only way to transfer files
03:51 <luke-jr> HTTP also works
03:51 <luke-jr> as does TFTP, but TFTP is not TCP
03:51 <ct|kyle> ya P2P
03:51 <luke-jr> actually, if I were the teacher, I could justify TCP being wrong ;)
03:52 <luke-jr> but FTP being right is just dumb, since FTP should never be used
03:52 <luke-jr> while on the practical level, TCP does transfer files, it doesn't on the theoretical/conceptual level
03:55 <ct|kyle> well heh i show you another one i argued and got
03:56 <ct|kyle> ____________________ software is designed to analyze and control incoming and outgoing packets.
03:56 <ct|kyle> Proxy or Firewall
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04:15 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that's because tcp isn't a file transfer protocol
04:15 <Lucifer> saying tcp transfers files is nearly as braindead as saying IP transfers files
04:15 <ct|kyle> but TCP transres packets which are basicly files
04:16 <Lucifer> no they're not, they're just collections of arbitrary data
04:16 <Lucifer> hell, because tcp controls the transmission (i.e. ensures everything arrives in the same order it was sent), it has to send a lot of packets that are primarily conversational
04:17 <Lucifer> ftp is a protocol, a real file transfer protocol, and it can be implemented on top of tcp, udp, stdin/stdout, unix domain sockets, etc.
04:17 <Lucifer> of course, the implementation that's "standard" is implemented on top of tcp
04:18 <Lucifer> but you know, I guess it's ok, since a lot of people do call their cars "wheels"
04:19 <ct|kyle> i can't figure out why i put proxie for ____________________ software is designed to analyze and control incoming and outgoing packets.
04:20 <Lucifer> I would have put "Windows update"
04:20 <ct|kyle> heh
04:20 <ct|kyle> it gave you 4 choices
04:20 <ct|kyle> firewall is what it was
04:21 <ct|kyle> but i still got points for proxie
04:25 <ct|kyle> i also decided an RTG should not be used
04:25 <Lucifer> rtg?
04:25  * Lucifer has seen that acronym before, but doesn't remember what it means
04:25 <Lucifer> Real Thick Girl?
04:25 <ct|kyle> radioisotope thermoelectric generator
04:25 <Lucifer> ah, right
04:25 <Lucifer> what convinced you?
04:25 <Lucifer> GodTodd: I think I agree with her, but for different reasons
04:25 <Lucifer> A disk defragmenter should never be scheduled automatically because you should always use a filesystem that takes pains to store files as efficiently as possible to begin with
04:26 <Lucifer> I guess that choice isn't available in windows
04:26 <Lucifer> does ntfs do anything like that?
04:26 <GodTodd> exactly
04:26 <GodTodd> but my point was that defragmenting doesn't damage the drive
04:26 <GodTodd> anymore than storing files in the first place does
04:26 <Lucifer> not directly, but it does contribute to wear
04:27 <Lucifer> right, exactly.  :)
04:27 <Lucifer> Her point was either superstitious mumbojumbo (there used to be an argument over whether or not defragmenting was dangerous), or that
04:27 <GodTodd> hers was the mubojumbo
04:27 <GodTodd> mumbo*
04:27 <GodTodd> she was an idiot :)
04:27 <Lucifer> if you schedule it to run when nobody would otherwise be using it, you're causing additional wear and tear that wouldn't have happened, therefore shortening the apparent life, um, duration, of the drive :)
04:28 <Lucifer> but that's a downright philosophical question, really
04:28 <GodTodd> personally i would rather run linux and forget defragmenting :)
04:28 <Lucifer> man, that's something that always irritated me about that old argument
04:28 <Lucifer> all you're doing is copying data from disk into memory, and then saving it back to disk
04:28 <GodTodd> right
04:28 <Lucifer> sure, you're rearranging how it's physically arranged on disk
04:29 <Lucifer> I think it's the word "defragment" that people freaked out about
04:29 <GodTodd> probably
04:29 <Lucifer> it just sounds horrible and nasty
04:29 <GodTodd> if windows didn't just willy nilly throw shit on the drive, defragmenting would not have to exist
04:29 <Lucifer> like, if you go to your doctor and he says he has to defragment your arteries and veins to prevent a heart attack, that just sounds horrible
04:29 <ct|kyle> lol it actualy slows computer speeds down
04:30 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that all depends on the software doing it, really.  It can theoretically increase the speed of your machine for a time
04:30 <Lucifer> at least, back when it was noticeable.  I think it's no longer noticeable
04:30 <Lucifer> not that it matters for me, I'm with GodTodd (hi there!) , just use a filesystem that doesn't suck
04:30 <ct|kyle> it depends of free space left on drive
04:30 <Lucifer> it's seek times it's minimizing
04:31 <ct|kyle> NTFS does not even partition a driver corectly
04:31 <Lucifer> by putting all of a file in a contiguous and sequential block, you don't have to seek all over the other discs or platters or whatever they're called to get the whole file
04:31 <Lucifer> you just put your head at the beginning and read in a straight line (more or less) to the end
04:32 <Lucifer> heh
04:32 <Lucifer> my dad told me a couple of years back that he scheduled a defrag to run every night so his computer always ran as fast as possible
04:32 <ct|kyle> heh
04:32 <Lucifer> then he asked me how often I defrag, and I said "I use a filesystem that doesn't suck"
04:33 <GodTodd> that's what else sucks on it...you have to have 15% free to optimize the defragmenting...i *never* have 15% free
04:33 <GodTodd> heh
04:33 <Lucifer> I've never seen an ext3 filesystem gain more than about 2% of non-contiguous blocks
04:33 <Lucifer> and I've gone long periods between formatting and shit :)
04:34 <ct|kyle> i just reloaded my PC
04:34 <Lucifer> really, you can defrag on the fly
04:34 <ct|kyle> not because of performance but because GCC got removed
04:34 <Lucifer> heh, so you couldn't reinstall it?
04:35  * Lucifer likes binary distributions for regular use
04:35  * Lucifer is totally uninterested in this paper
04:35 <Lucifer> do I really want to even write the B paper, or just get out with a C?
04:36 <Lucifer> actually, the defragging thing caught my dad's attention.  He was convinced that since he'd never seen any tools for defragging a linux machine that it sucked
04:37 <Lucifer> then he realized we don't have those tools because we don't need them (they're out there, though, if you look hard enough)
04:37 <Lucifer> not convinced enough to make the switch, but enough to take it more seriously
04:37 <GodTodd> i'm scared to even look at the vista defragger
04:38 <Lucifer> it probably has to call MS for every block and ask if it should keep it or throw it away
04:38 <ct|kyle> heh probably
04:38 <Lucifer> so how far's karen with running her work apps in linux?
04:39 <GodTodd> she is there except for her work vpn client
04:43 <Lucifer> ah, so when she wants to work at home (heh), she has to use windows, but the rest of the time doesn't
04:43 <Lucifer> ?
04:43 <GodTodd> right
04:43  * Lucifer just stuck a linux box in front of my wife and gave her a yes or no option
04:43 <Lucifer> (and she got mad when I thought silence meant no)
04:43 <GodTodd> heh
04:48  * luke-jr 's wife has been using KDE for years
04:48 <ct|kyle> heh i just found the patent for my tape measure. It's design does not match the one i have in front of me
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04:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr's wife will accept any second rate thing in her life so her using it isn't exactly an indication of widespread useability
05:01 <GodTodd> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2007/11/09/447492.aspx <---- scary
05:02 <Lucifer> well, you know, if she's dumb enough to marry luke, then her using linux is a testament to its ease of use
05:03 <ct|kyle> exactly what i was thinking
05:03  * Lucifer waits for luke to say linux isn't easy to use
05:04 <ct|kyle> #luke-jr-work luke-jr
05:04 <armabot> ♪ luke-jr is obsolete. ♫
05:04 <Lucifer> #luke-jr-work sex
05:04 <armabot> ♪ sex is obsolete. ♫
05:05 <Lucifer> #send luke-jr a nuclear missile
05:05 <armabot> I have sent a nuclear missile to luke-jr, it should arrive shortly.
05:05 <GodTodd> is it lack of intelligence or advantageous naivete that caused her to throw her life away that way tho?
05:05 <Lucifer> drugs
05:05 <GodTodd> #dict naivete
05:05 <armabot> GodTodd: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: naivete n : lack of sophistication or worldliness [syn: {naivety}, {naiveness}] [ant: {sophistication}]; gcide: Naivet'e \Na`["i]ve`t['e]"\, n. [F. See {Na["i]ve}, and cf. {Nativity}.] 1. The state or quality of being naive; lack of sophistication or worldliness. Syn: naivete, naiveness. [1913 Webster + WordNet 1.5 + PJC] A story which pleases (2 more messages)
05:05 <Lucifer> she ate an aqua dot
05:05 <GodTodd> ok...i did spell it right :)
05:06 <Lucifer> that reminds me, I promised to email a link to that article to my chem teacher
05:06 <Lucifer> maybe if I do that, she'll finally give me back my last test :)
05:07 <GodTodd> although...if luke's wife was out to just make sure that no other woman would find him attractive enough to want to cheat with him...then she couldn't have chosen better :)
05:07 <ct|kyle> heh
05:08 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: probably threatened to kill her, if she did not marry him
05:08 <GodTodd> tho i could say the same about Lucifer ;)
05:08 <GodTodd> badup tss
05:09 <GodTodd> heh...my inlaws had mediation today
05:10 <GodTodd> 7 hours and nothing accomplished...good thing they had lawyers there...only would have taken an hour or so without them ;)
05:16 <ct|kyle> #night
05:16 <armabot> Good night ct|kyle!
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05:16 <Lucifer> mediation?
05:17 <GodTodd> yeah
05:17 <Lucifer> they suing somebody?
05:17 <GodTodd> yeah...that dude that hit robbie
05:17 <Lucifer> oh.  I thought he got the chair or something
05:17 <Lucifer> i.e. can't sue a dead man
05:17 <GodTodd> no
05:17 <GodTodd> he got 5 years
05:18 <GodTodd> and served 2.5 to 3
05:18 <Lucifer> that's a slap on the wrist
05:18 <Lucifer> it should be robbie's coma + 5 years :)
05:18 <GodTodd> that was just for the chick he killed
05:18 <GodTodd> 10 years probation for the assault on robbie
05:18 <Lucifer> justice in america
05:19 <Lucifer> if you intentionally crash an airplane into a building, we go bomb everybody in a certain part of the world
05:19 <GodTodd> now the inlaws are trying to get stipulations that he have to work with robbie regularly as the civil punishment
05:19 <Lucifer> get drunk and kill someone and put someone else in a coma, we'll just take care of you for a few years and let you go
05:19 <Lucifer> american justice, I love it
05:19 <GodTodd> they have a 5 million judgement they can pull at any time
05:19 <Lucifer> if it weren't for american justice, we might be, well, I don't know, someone else
05:20 <Lucifer> against him?  but he can't pay it, what happens then?
05:20 <GodTodd> then it goes as a debt
05:20 <GodTodd> so if he hits the lottery or something it comes off the top
05:21 <GodTodd> they don't want the money tho
05:21 <Lucifer> no, of course not.  It makes no difference if he's just gonna go out and get smashed and smash someone again
05:21 <GodTodd> yeah...the american justice system kinda sucks but it's all we got ;)
05:21 <GodTodd> exactly
05:21 <GodTodd> they want him to realize fully what his actions caused
05:22 <Lucifer> give me 5 minutes with him.  He'll either come around, or he won't walk out :)
05:22 <GodTodd> robbie's going on 5 years as a vegetable
05:22 <GodTodd> yeah...they don't want me in the room with him
05:22 <GodTodd> heh
05:23 <GodTodd> thing is....apparently there's a no contact stipulation in his parole
05:23 <Lucifer> that's sensible, if he holds a grudge....
05:24 <Lucifer> actually, it's probably standard for assaults
05:24 <GodTodd> i think they're more worried about the families holding a grudge
05:24 <GodTodd> after all...one family lost a young girl
05:24 <GodTodd> she was 16 i think
05:24 <Lucifer> hey, if he a) doesn't do it again, and b) does whatever he can to help Robbie, there's no reason to hold a grudge
05:24 <GodTodd> exactly their point :)
05:25 <Lucifer> yeah.  by all the pictures I saw, she was pretty hot too
05:25 <GodTodd> yeah
05:25 <GodTodd> she was
05:25 <Lucifer> well, he doesn't have to come over and help very much, he could just send regular checks to help pay for medical care and make himself available to relieve them so they can go out sometime
05:25 <Lucifer> he could make regular visits and be sociable and stuff
05:26 <GodTodd> yeah...i think 10% of his income is part of the deal
05:26 <Lucifer> if it has to be forced from him, they should just lock him back up
05:27 <GodTodd> i think working with robbie would teach the bastard more than 100 years in jail
05:27 <Lucifer> I agree, actually, but I've known too many irresponsible criminal types
05:27 <Lucifer> I guess I'm just cynical
05:27 <GodTodd> yeah
05:27 <GodTodd> i am too
05:27 <GodTodd> i keep telling karen that i don't think he'll do the right thing
05:27 <Lucifer> I'd like to think he could work with Robbie for awhile and come around to the view I think is good and healthy and lets everybody move on from here
05:27 <luke-jr> KDE is easy to use
05:28 <Lucifer> but I don't believe it for a minute.  Cynical.
05:28 <GodTodd> i hope i'm wrong but something tells me he's looking to sweep it all under the rug
05:28 <Lucifer> he's probably in pretty bad shape over it himself, to be honest
05:28 <GodTodd> i'm sure he is
05:28 <Lucifer> so he wants to take the natural response, which is to hide it
05:28 <GodTodd> otherwise he's not human
05:28 <Lucifer> heh
05:29 <Lucifer> so maybe a couple of years of forced exposure to Robbie, like 4 hours every two weeks, might eventually bring him around
05:29 <GodTodd> yeah...that's what i'm hoping
05:29 <Lucifer> he might even come back and thank y'all for doing it and making him a better person
05:29 <GodTodd> that's a little too optimistic for my world view ;)
05:30 <GodTodd> some say the glass is half full
05:30 <GodTodd> some say it's half empty
05:30 <Lucifer> well, the flip side is I'v eknown quite a few people who had been irresponsible criminal types and had some event that changed them in that way
05:30 <GodTodd> i say, you made the glass twice as big as you had to
05:30 <Lucifer> heh
05:31 <Lucifer> so, there's a doctor, a chemist, and an engineer playing on the golf course
05:31 <Lucifer> they come up on this foursome that's playing and have to wait
05:31 <Lucifer> the doctor says "What's taking them so long?"
05:31 <Lucifer> the caddy tells him "Those are the firefighters that put out the fire in the clubhouse last year.  They get to play free golf anytime they want.  They lost their eyesight in the fire."
05:32 <Lucifer> the doctor says "Oh, that's terrible!  Is there nothing medical science can do for thsoe poor guys?"
05:32 <Lucifer> the chemist says "Oh, that's terrible!  Is there no chemical that could have been used that wouldn't have blinded them?"
05:32 <Lucifer> the engineer says "Why don't they just play at night?"
05:32 <GodTodd> heh
05:43 <GodTodd> a chemist, a physicist and a mathematician are on a camping trip
05:43 <GodTodd> they go to open a can of beans for dinner and realize no one brought a can opener
05:44 <GodTodd> the chemist says "I'm sure I could find a chemical here in nature that would eat away the metal and leave the beans alone."
05:45 <GodTodd> the physicist says "No, I think we should do a controlled heating of the can until the pressure of the expanding air pops the can open."
05:45 <GodTodd> the mathematician thinks for a minute then says "Hell, why don't we just assume the can is open and we can eat right now."
07:24 <luke-jr> lol
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07:45 <MrBougo> #ping
07:45 <armabot> pong
07:45 <MrBougo> heh
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08:42 -!- Bougo is now known as MrBougo
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09:45 <P4> luke-jr: spam_maxlen 100
10:05 <MrBougo> amen
10:05 <P4> what was then?
10:05 <P4> that*
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12:13 <cusco> howdy
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16:02 <z-man> tonybbb's internet search competence must be the lowest I've ever seen.
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16:58 <MrBougo> beh
16:58 <MrBougo> i can't find any way to anonymize on that irc network
16:58 <MrBougo> they detect proxies, cgi:irc's
16:59 <MrBougo> the only way i found is to use.... a bouncer
16:59 <MrBougo> but i can't find any shell
16:59 <MrBougo> i have a shell, but my user name there is mrbougo :/
16:59 <MrBougo> any idea for me?
17:03 <epsy> noob7_away has a bnc
17:03 <epsy> lol z-man
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17:17 <spidey> MrBougo, they don't detect all proxies
17:17 <spidey> i bet they just use a blacklist
17:17 <spidey> because port scanning everyone that connects = a bit excessive
17:18 <spidey> try using a "high anonymous" or "elite proxy"
17:18 <spidey> socks 5 and that allows irc
17:20 <spidey> and great, my ears are starting to drain -.-
17:38 <P4> MrBougo: TOR
17:38 <P4> or ask staff about cloak
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18:49 <Kriki6> hi all
18:50 <Kriki6> i  would like to ask you here if anyone knows how to hack with pigsty patch,i am working on making a "shooting sumo"
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19:25 <Kriki6> dies anyone know how to hack with pigsty patch :S?!
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19:30 <Lucifer_bed> 3 steps
19:30 <Lucifer_bed> 1.  Open text editor
19:30 <Lucifer_bed> 2.  Hack arma source code with pigsty patch
19:30 <Lucifer_bed> 3.  Compile, run, play
19:32 <Kriki5> hi all
19:32 <Kriki5> lucifer? what is this?
19:32 <Kriki5> you mean steps how to patch
19:32 <Lucifer_bed> answer to your question?
19:32 <Kriki5> well...
19:33 <Kriki5> i got to web tron CTF hacking
19:35 <Kriki5> ok i download it AGAIN
19:35 <Lucifer_bed> er, maybe you should phrase your question in a form that it's asking whatever it is you really want to know
19:35 <Kriki5> text editor you mean open it on web or on file called "pigsty 061021
19:35  * Kriki5 wants to make shooting sumo
19:36 <Kriki5> P4 was telling me somethink
19:36 <Kriki5> but i got confused
19:37 <Kriki5> Angel said that i should search for some player called "wrtpl" she said hes the best in this....
19:37 <Kriki5> :O
19:37 <Kriki5> :) is he in here?
19:37 <GodTodd> you mean wrtlprnft?
19:38 <Kriki5> idk
19:38 <Kriki5> maybe
19:39 <GodTodd> only one way to see if he's here...
19:39 <GodTodd> wrtlprnft: ping
19:39 <Kriki5> -.-
19:39 <Kriki5> i can see him that he is here :S
19:39 <GodTodd> he's here...but might not be "here"
19:39 <Kriki5> anyone can help me make shooting sumo :S
19:40 <Kriki5> details...
19:40 <Kriki5> with bigzones of players,win zone,shooting fast as in FA|Shooting Gallery,Little labirint and maybe teams
19:40 <Kriki5> :P
19:41  * Kriki5 has 2 servers 1 sumo 1 fortress :S
19:41 <Kriki5> :)
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19:43 <MrBougo> P4: i tried tor too
19:43 <MrBougo> spidey: do you have good sources for proxies?
19:53 <MrBougo> spidey , p4 ?
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20:10 <MrBougo> spidey: the only working irc proxies i found are on very very tiny lists, and blacklisted by the network
20:20 <MrBougo> apparently, the network uses BOPM
20:20 <MrBougo> Blitzed Open Proxy Monitor
20:20 <luke-jr> #later tell Durka btw, you have an imposter who goes by the name Spike
20:20 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
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20:51 <cusco_> 18:48:37 <purplehash> lmfao, your domain say's virgin =P
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20:57 <Bougo> :o
20:57 <cusco> wa sup
21:00 <cusco> :)
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23:38 <Durka_> #lastseen durka
23:38 <armabot> Durka_: Durka has last been seen on Solo Fortress (new game mode by Luke-Jr) 13 hours 38 minutes ago.
23:38 <Durka_> #lastseen spike
23:38 <armabot> Durka_: spike has last been seen on  Wild West  =CTF Shooting= 5 hours 23 minutes ago.
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23:47 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *bougo* looks like i missed him…
23:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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