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Log from 2007-11-08:
--- Day changed Thu Nov 08 2007
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01:21 <LDS_Trooper> luke-jr, you alive?
01:24 -!- LDS_Trooper is now known as Rebel_ECd
01:24 <Rebel_ECd> anyone know where I can snag a basic service bot code from?
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01:28 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:28 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 46.6°F (6:33 PM CST on November 07, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Steady).
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01:45 <Rebel_ECd> anyone here running a CTF server?
01:46 <Rebel_ECd> I need the language files
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01:48 <Rebel_ECd> anyone?
01:49 <luke-jr> …
01:49 <Rebel_ECd> luke!
01:49 <Rebel_ECd> yay
01:49 <luke-jr> Rebel_ECd: service bots are more or less specific to my hosting fyi
01:49 <Rebel_ECd> ahh ok
01:49 <Rebel_ECd> any chance you could scribble up a basic one to learn how to make one?
01:49 <luke-jr> Rebel_ECd: I did 3 ☺
01:50 <luke-jr> Rebel_ECd: I also made plans to write a Perl module for one
01:50 <Rebel_ECd> K
01:50 <Rebel_ECd> Also, for the CTF.. all is well except the missing language file
01:50 <luke-jr> Rebel_ECd: if you want, I can assist you or your developer in writing a framework
01:50 <luke-jr> missing language file?
01:51 <Rebel_ECd> the "english_base.txt" gets modified with the Sty patch
01:51 <Rebel_ECd> so you see things like "player_1 stole the flag! Get them!"
01:52 <luke-jr> yes
01:53 <Rebel_ECd> I'm not getting that because I have the old file
01:54 <luke-jr> because you have your own custom language files
01:54 <Rebel_ECd> hmm
01:54 <luke-jr> I recommend creating a new language based on the english
01:54 <luke-jr> so version changes don't have this problem
01:55 <Rebel_ECd> if I remove that language folder it will work?
01:55 <luke-jr> sure, but you lose your custom messages
01:56 <Rebel_ECd> this is why I am wondering how I can get a copy of the new one.. so I can mod it =)
01:57 <luke-jr> /usr/local/share/games/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8-pig/language/british.txt
01:58 <luke-jr> then use the config value "LANGUAGE_FIRST British English"
02:00 <Rebel_ECd> where would that go Luke? In the individual configs?
02:03 <luke-jr> server_info
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02:18 <Rebel_ECd> thanks Luke!
02:18 <Rebel_ECd> I will e-mail you about setting up the framework. ok?
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04:13 <Lucifer> turn right
04:13 <Lucifer> turn right
04:13 <Lucifer> turn left
04:13 <Lucifer> turn left
04:13  * Lucifer playing #armagetron
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05:06 <Lucifer> maybe freenode's going to survive after all
05:07 <xfroggy> this shit happened again
05:07 <xfroggy> damn
05:08 <Lucifer> horrible netsplit
05:08 <Lucifer> guess they had to reboot one of their win servers
05:10 <xfroggy> for a sec I though I was a drifter in this channel :S
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05:17 <Lucifer> guess they're still working on it
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05:41 <GodTodd> who keeps breaking freenode?
05:42 <Lucifer> you
05:42 <Lucifer> hey, I got a local guy interested in this lunar rover :)
05:43 <Lucifer> machinist, even.  Real smart guy, was in my calc 3 and 4 classes, and now he's in my statics class
05:47 <GodTodd> cool :)
05:47 <GodTodd> can he fix my name resolution issue?
05:47 <GodTodd> heh
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05:54 <GodTodd> yeah...can ping by ip and not name...name resolution in this router sucks donkey balls
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07:10 <Lucifer> man, what's with all these netsplits?
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07:49 <Lucifer> well, I think I just reached a lower-level understanding of my martial arts class
07:49 <Lucifer> er, not the class itself, the art being taught
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11:02 <spidey_> so ugh
11:02 <spidey_> freenode sux much?
11:13 <luke-jr> cuz I fixed my IPv6
11:14 <luke-jr> but FreeNode doesn't work right with it
11:14 <spidey_> ?
11:14 <spidey_> wtf's your ipv6 got to do with freenode?
11:14 <spidey_> freenode's netsplits**
11:16 <luke-jr> it breaks one of the servers
11:16 <luke-jr> so it crashes and splits the network
11:17 <spidey_> liar
11:17 <luke-jr> :þ
11:18 <spidey_> i'm sick :<
11:25 <luke-jr> y
11:54 <luke-jr> hm, PHP seems to be a memory hog
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17:45 <cusco> hi
17:45 <cusco> luke-jr: you arround?
17:49 <cusco> err
17:49 <cusco> whats the command to set how manny people can join?
17:55 <P4> .cfg max_clients
17:55 <P4> #cfg max_clients
17:56 <armabot> P4: MAX_CLIENTS: Maximum number of network clients to accept (default: 16) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_HARD: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will be ignored (default: 8) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_SOFT: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will get kicked when the server is full (default: 4)
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18:53 <MrBougo> luke-jr or lucifer i need your help
18:54 <MrBougo> is it possible to change the ID sent by an identd?
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01:09 <P4> luke-jr: ping
01:09 <luke-jr> #armalukechat
01:10 <P4> #serverinfo -v p4's
01:10 <armabot> P4: p4's Server (64.18.140.140:4534) running 0.2.8_alpha20070906 unix dedic, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org, Description: “Hosted on Luke-Jr's Armagetron Servers -- http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, No online players.
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02:08 <luke-jr> allegedly FreeNode is being DDoS'd
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03:37 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:37 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 43.3°F (8:42 PM CST on November 08, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa (Rising).
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03:53 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: ping
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05:26 <luke-jr> #later tell epsy your server was eating 100% CPU… -.-
05:26 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
05:33 <Lucifer> http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8SPRQR01.htm
05:35 <Khalsa> what's a little butanediol between friends?
05:37 <luke-jr> eh?
05:37 <Lucifer> I was wondering if it would be possible to get a woman to swallow one of those beads
05:38 <Lucifer> seems like now that this particular little fact is out, those beads will hit the black market pretty quickly
05:38  * Khalsa contemplates
05:38 <Lucifer> hey, that guy I thought was from bangladesh, apparently I heard him wrong and he's from saudi arabia
05:38 <Khalsa> whats the street price of GHB ?
05:38 <Khalsa> :-P
05:38 <Lucifer> beats me, never needed one of those drugs to get laid ;)
05:38 <luke-jr> wtf is GHB?
05:39 <Khalsa> date rape drug
05:39 <Khalsa> RTFA
05:39 <Lucifer> I read it
05:39 <Lucifer> I guess rape doesn't count as getting laid
05:42 <Lucifer> man, how long does it take for a ltsp client to build?
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05:49 <luke-jr> what's wrong with regular old XDMCP?
06:07 <GodTodd> freaking commies are trying to kill our next generation, i swear
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07:01 <luke-jr> ouch
07:01 <luke-jr> 532 lines of code in my KAD
07:01 <MrBougo> hello
07:02 <MrBougo> luke-jr: do you know anything with idends?
07:02 <luke-jr> what about an identd?
07:02 <MrBougo> well, i have a shell, running a bnc (psybnc)
07:02 <MrBougo> and when i connect it to irc, the networks use the shell account name as ident for IRC, because of the identd
07:03 <MrBougo> (i think it works so)
07:03 <MrBougo> but i'd like to use another name
07:06 <luke-jr> so shutdown the identd
07:08 <MrBougo> mh
07:08 <MrBougo> it's a freaking shell
07:08 <MrBougo> i don't have root access
07:08 <luke-jr> well, then that's the purpose of the identd
07:08 <MrBougo> 3:
07:09 <MrBougo> oh GOD, PLEASE
07:10 <MrBougo> do they want our kids to be like... DUMB?
07:11 <GodTodd> why? are they sending them to luke-jr's to be educated?
07:11 <luke-jr> MrBougo: …
07:11 <MrBougo> GodTodd: ???
07:11 <MrBougo> i'm talking about something else
07:11 <MrBougo> let me get a link
07:11 <MrBougo> http://kotaku.com/gaming/education/learning-with-pokemon-319823.php
07:11 <GodTodd> my statement fits
07:11 <GodTodd> trust me
07:12 <MrBougo> darn, stupidstupid nintendo
07:12 <MrBougo> pokesomething has NOTHING to do with SCIENCE
07:12 <MrBougo> fuck!
07:13 <GodTodd> depends on what you're poking
07:13 <MrBougo> :/
07:13 <MrBougo> GodTodd ate a clown today :D
07:13 <MrBougo> do you guys also use this expression? "to eat a clown"
07:13 <GodTodd> no
07:13 <GodTodd> but i get the gist
07:13 <MrBougo> oh
07:13 <GodTodd> ;)
07:13 <MrBougo> :p
07:14 <MrBougo> thought that it was 'universal'
07:14 <GodTodd> no...we don't spend a lot of time claiming cannibalism
07:14 <GodTodd> heh
07:14 <MrBougo> D:
07:15 <GodTodd> just like i'm sure you guys don't say "who pissed in your (insert favorite popular cereal here: generally wheaties or cheerios)"
07:24 <MrBougo> heh
07:24 <MrBougo> no we don't
07:26 <luke-jr> #later tell P4|away plz have your bot connect to goethe.freenode.net from source IP 2002:440d:6de2:0:1d::7034 kthx
07:26 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
07:26 <luke-jr> #later tell P4 plz have your bot connect to goethe.freenode.net from source IP 2002:440d:6de2:0:1d::7034 kthx
07:26 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
07:29 <MrBougo> luke-jr: can you chose your ip?
07:29 <luke-jr> MrBougo: I have the whole /48
07:30 <luke-jr> 2002:440d:6de2☹anything) is mine
07:30 <MrBougo> /48? what does that mean?
07:30 <MrBougo> heh, how can that be.... and btw, how did you get an ipv6? i guess it has nothing to do with your ISP
07:30 <luke-jr> 2002:440d:6de2:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 to 2002:440d:6de2:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff
07:31 <luke-jr> MrBougo: well, my ISP assigns the subnet
07:31 <MrBougo> so your ISP minds about ipv6
07:31 <luke-jr> MrBougo: if your router didn't suck, you could use it too
07:31 <MrBougo> heh
07:31 <luke-jr> :o
07:31 <MrBougo> why does it suck?
07:31 <luke-jr> it doesn't support IPv6, I guess
07:31 <MrBougo> my isp sucks
07:32 <MrBougo> i guess noone there knows about ipv6
07:32 <luke-jr> we don't know that until your router problem si gone
07:32 <luke-jr> 2002:51f1:184e::/48 is your subnet
07:32 <luke-jr> imma pinging you XD
07:33 <MrBougo> why is it my subnet?
07:33 <luke-jr> cuz that's the subnet that goes with 78.24-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
07:33 <MrBougo> oh
07:33 <luke-jr> besides, you use Windoze
07:33 <luke-jr> which doesn't do IPv6 by default
07:34 <luke-jr> and even if you enabled it, probably none of your software is able
07:34 <MrBougo> i can install tcp/ip 6
07:34 <MrBougo> indeed
07:34 <MrBougo> ipv4 still existsn luke
07:34 <MrBougo> -n
07:34 <MrBougo> i don't need ipv6
07:34 <luke-jr> P4's bot can use IPv6 :þ
07:34 <MrBougo> does it have any advantage?
07:34 <luke-jr> it means if his bot gets banned, I don't care
07:34 <luke-jr> :þ
07:34 <MrBougo> and why do you want his bot to connect a specific server
07:35 <MrBougo> heh, what if the subnet gets banned?
07:35 <luke-jr> then I complain to ops abusing power
07:35 <MrBougo> uh
07:35 <luke-jr> and bug netfilter guys to fix -m owner on IPv6
07:36 <luke-jr> MrBougo: does your router support DMZ?
07:36 <MrBougo> yup
07:36 <MrBougo> but i wont enable it :o)
07:36 <luke-jr> how dynamic is your IP?
07:36 <MrBougo> whadya mean?
07:36 <luke-jr> 78.24-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
07:36 <MrBougo> if i disconnect/reconnect, i get a new ip
07:36 <luke-jr> how often does that change
07:36 <MrBougo> every cycle
07:36 <luke-jr> so often
07:36 <MrBougo> yup
07:36 <luke-jr> do you have Wireshark installed?
07:36 <MrBougo> the only good thing with my isp
07:37 <luke-jr> LOL
07:37 <MrBougo> heh no
07:37 <luke-jr> o well
07:37 <MrBougo> i could install it though :D
07:37 <luke-jr> if you don't want to turn on DMZ, don't bother
07:37 <MrBougo> DMZ opens all the ports, right?
07:37 <luke-jr> it passes unknown packets to you
07:38 <luke-jr> so if it doesn't know IPv6, it will pass it to you
07:38 <luke-jr> if it doesn't know a port, same thing
07:38 <MrBougo> :o
07:38 <luke-jr> to an extent
07:38 <luke-jr> not sure if it works with native IPv6
07:38 <luke-jr> MrBougo: btw, with IPv6 you generally get a static AND dynamic IP ☺
07:39 <MrBougo> eh
07:39 <luke-jr> so you use the static for servers, and the dynamic for outgoing connections
07:40 <MrBougo> sweet
07:40 <MrBougo> bah, i have a ddns too
07:40 <MrBougo> it's nicie, my router updates it automatically
07:48 <MrBougo> i'm out
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11:36 <luke-jr> who's here?
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11:59 <luke-jr> #armaconfig spawn_point
11:59 <armabot> luke-jr: SPAWN_POINT_GROUP_SIZE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 0)
11:59 <luke-jr> wonderful
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12:06 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Square-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:31 <luke-jr> #armaconfig fortress
12:31 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
12:31 <luke-jr> liar
12:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Square-0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Square-0.2.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
12:49  * luke-jr invents new game mode :D
13:25 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:34 <luke-jr> >.>
13:34 <luke-jr> nemo's map preview is gone, sorry
13:34 <luke-jr> :þ
13:34 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:36 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:40 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:42 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.1.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
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13:50 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.1.1.1.1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
13:54 <luke-jr> hm
13:54 <luke-jr> that looks half decent
14:01 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/_TEST/Octagon-0.1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:02 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Beehive-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
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14:20 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Octagon-0.1.rc2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:25 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Octagon-0.1.rc3.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Diamond-0.1.rc1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:33 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Diamond-0.1.rc2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:34 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/Diamond-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/DeathDiamond-0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:36 <spidey> luke-jr, sux
14:36 <Lucifer> spidey: true dat
14:36 <luke-jr> screw you
14:36 <spidey> dude
14:36 <spidey> this school sux
14:36 <spidey> i'm sick
14:36 <Lucifer> er, aren
14:36 <spidey> running a fever
14:36 <Lucifer> t you homeschooled?
14:36 <spidey> they still want me to come test
14:37 <spidey> yes and no
14:37 <spidey> it works kinda like college
14:37 <spidey> i get my books, do them, go test at their center
14:37 <spidey> but i'm sick and they still want me to come test
14:37 <spidey> so i get to make other kids sick today
14:38 <spidey> ok i have a algebra 1 question
14:38 <spidey> lets say, | -9 | + | 9 |  <-- anything inside of | | becomes positive yes?
14:39 <spidey> they just gave a example, didn't really explain it
14:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/CrossDiamond-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:39 <Lucifer> yes, anything inside || becomes positive
14:39 <spidey> k
14:39 <Lucifer> | | means 'take the magnitude', which is a fancy way of saying "distance from 0"
14:39 <Lucifer> distance is always measured as a positive number, right?
14:39 <luke-jr> or just abs()
14:39 <spidey> yea
14:40 <Lucifer> the magnitude meaning of | | is important when you get into vectors, but you're fine to just think "make this a positive number" when you see it
14:40 <Lucifer> in order of operations, it takes the same precedence as parenthesis
14:40 <spidey> k
14:41 <spidey> 012-6
14:41 <spidey> er
14:41 <spidey> don't laugh -.-
14:42 <spidey> why do they still give latin 1 and latin 2
14:43 <spidey> it's a useless language =/
14:45 <Lucifer> ummm, lots of fields still use latin
14:46 <Lucifer> hell, take latin and you'll know more about catholicism than luke-jr :)
14:46 <luke-jr> Lucifer assumes I don't know Latin
14:46 <spidey> lucifer, that makes me so wanna learn latin more :D
14:46 <spidey> /sarcasm
14:47 <spidey> man i have a bad headache =/
14:49 <luke-jr> cuz u insulted me
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/CrossDiamond-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
14:50 <spidey> pft
14:50 <spidey> had one since yesterday
14:52 <spidey> ok fuck this
14:53 <spidey> they ask for proof of doing math i left my book at home
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14:55 <spidey> luke-jr, what city was jesus born in?
14:56 <Khalsa> Oklahoma City
14:56 <spidey> lol
14:56 <Khalsa> that's what I heard
15:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Luke-Jr/SoloFortress/CrossDiamond-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Luke-Jr
15:04 <luke-jr> #serverinfo -v luke
15:04 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr's test server -- please abuse (85.234.147.28:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20071020 unix dedic, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org, Description: “Hosted on Luke-Jr's Armagetron Servers -- http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, Players (1/5): luke-jr
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15:31 -!- manuel_ is now known as z-man
15:31 <Lucifer> I tried to turn in my kids as proof that I could multiply
15:31 <z-man> for math?
15:33 <z-man> In Linux, is there a way to make file ownership and permissions sticky per directory?
15:34 <z-man> I'd like to permanently share the VirtualBox configuration between me and my wife, and it would be useful if VirutalBox would create all its files in a way that they are read- and writable by both of us.
15:37 <Lucifer> hmmmmm, don't know
15:37 <Lucifer> there's a sticky bit, but I don't know what it does
15:37 <Lucifer> you can also set your default groups to the same group
15:38 <z-man> yeah, but virtualBox creates its files as 600 by default :/
15:38 <Lucifer> chmod them?  ;)
15:39 <z-man> It creates new files from time to time.
15:39 <z-man> Not so ofteh that it would be a problem (only when you make a new snapshot), but still.
15:39 <spidey> 1337   < --- nice year for a war to begin xD
15:40 <Lucifer> chmod g+s spcprjdir
15:40 <Lucifer> chmod g+s <the directory>
15:41 <Lucifer> the page I found that on doesn't say whether or not files created 600 in that directory will still be accessible, but it ensures group ownership of a directory anyway
15:41 <Lucifer> then I guess you just have to periodically chmod -R g+rw <the directory>
15:43 <Lucifer> that's all I found
15:43 <z-man> it works for the group ownership, which is a good start, thanks.
15:43 <z-man> Permissions still will be broken, but I remember there being a setting in the enviromnent that changes that.
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15:50 <z-man> umask was the command. Unfortunately, VirtualBox ignores it.
15:52 <z-man> I could just move all files to a FAT partition.
15:55 <z-man> Oh, no, I can't, the files may grow bigger than FAT allows.
16:00 <Lucifer> umask is system-wide and doesn't apply to chmods :)
16:01 <z-man> there also is a shell-context umask.
16:01 <luke-jr> qemu works
16:01 <luke-jr> ☺
16:02 <luke-jr> #armaserver -v luke
16:02 <luke-jr> #serverinfo -v luke
16:02 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr's test server -- please abuse (85.234.147.28:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20071020 unix dedic, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org, Description: “Hosted on Luke-Jr's Armagetron Servers -- http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, No online players.
16:02 <luke-jr> :/
16:02 <Lucifer> right, but you can open a file with certain permissions and it bypasses umask
16:03 <Lucifer> or maybe it's that you can open a file and then chmod it after you've written it, and that bypasses umask
16:03 <luke-jr> #armaconfig shutdown
16:03 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
16:03 <z-man> Whatever VirtualBox does, that's the effect.
16:03 <luke-jr> #armaconfig exit
16:03 <armabot> luke-jr: Sorry, no matches :S
16:03 <luke-jr> :/
16:03 <Lucifer> my son is insisting on flying his spaceship in front of my face :/
16:04 <z-man> Your face is in space?
16:04 <Lucifer> hmm, maybe I should tell him I'm not wearing a spacesuit
16:05 <luke-jr> z-man: come test my server? :þ
16:05 <z-man> the please abuse one?
16:05 <luke-jr> yes
16:06 <Lucifer> setfacl
16:06 <luke-jr> ACLs get overridden by chmod
16:06 <Lucifer> http://www.groupsrv.com/linux/post-814120.html
16:09 <Lucifer> gotta love classes where the first thing you do in the first chapter, a later chapter makes you do it 3 times per problem, then 10 times per problem, and that's the whole class
16:12 <z-man> sounds like solving linear equation systems.
16:12 <luke-jr> #serverinfo -v luke
16:12 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr's test server -- please abuse (85.234.147.28:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20071020 unix dedic, url: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org, Description: “Hosted on Luke-Jr's Armagetron Servers -- http://lightfoot.dashjr.org“, Players (2/8): gK|Prow, luke-jr
16:12 <z-man> Thanks for the ACL hint, but luke's suspicion proved correct, something in VirutalBox overrides it.
16:12 <luke-jr> it's not a suspicion :þ
16:13 <luke-jr> I know from experience
16:13  * luke-jr actually uses ACLs
16:13 <Lucifer> hmmmm, grep virtualbox sources, find the offending line, and fix it?  ;)
16:14 <Lucifer> you can probably just grep for "chmod", I think that's the posix c function
16:14 <Lucifer> it's the python function anyway, and python swears up and down that it just copies the posix api
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16:30 <luke-jr> z-man: how can I shutdown the server cleanly?
16:32 <z-man> QUIT?
16:36 <luke-jr> …o
16:37 <Lucifer> hey, this method of sections is much better than going joint by joint
16:37 <Lucifer> er, maybe not
16:37  * Lucifer thinks he picked the wrong half of the truss
16:39 <Lucifer> no, maybe it'll work out
16:39 <MrBougo> Lucifer: is it possible to use another ident on IRC than the one given by the identd?
16:40 <Lucifer> er, I don't know?
16:40 <Lucifer> what's an ident?  :)
16:40 <MrBougo> user!ident@host
16:40 <Lucifer> oh yeah, you can change the ident part in your client, I think
16:41 <Lucifer> I can in mine, anyway.  So unless yours is totally worthless.....
16:41 <MrBougo> oh, seems that i have to enable the oidentd support when compiling my psybnc
16:41 <MrBougo> ok, nvm :p
16:46 <Lucifer> man, if it weren't for moments of force, we'd all be stuck going straight
16:50 <Lucifer> grrr, is clockwise positive or negative?
16:51 <GodTodd> negative i believe
16:51 <MrBougo> lol
16:51 <MrBougo> negative indeed
16:52 <Lucifer> ok, then the member's in tension like I thought :)
16:52 <Lucifer> thanks
16:52  * Lucifer always gets those mixed up
16:52 <Lucifer> in most problems, it doesn't matter, as long as you're consistent with your signs
16:54 <MrBougo> moment of force = torque?
16:54 <Lucifer> yes
16:54 <MrBougo> ok
16:55 <Lucifer> hmmm, I seem to have gotten the wrong answer somehow
16:55  * Lucifer wonders how that happened
16:56 <MrBougo> what's the problem?
16:56 <Lucifer> truss
16:57 <MrBougo> i mean
16:57 <MrBougo> what's the exercise
16:57 <Lucifer> I think it would take awhile for me to draw it for you to see it :/
16:57 <MrBougo> ew
16:57 <MrBougo> take a photograph!
16:57 <Lucifer> these trusses are 5 minutes setting up the problem because of drawing
16:58 <luke-jr> anyone know who this "Spike" guy is?
16:58 <MrBougo> ?
16:58 <luke-jr> on Arma
16:58 <MrBougo> no clue
16:58 <MrBougo> heh, synced lines
16:58 <Lucifer> I think I found my error
16:58 <MrBougo> what was it?
16:59 <Lucifer> wrote a force early on as 500 that's actually 250
16:59 <MrBougo> ew
16:59 <Lucifer> it was while taking a moment to find the reaction forces on the support that I'm interested in
16:59 <MrBougo> what unit of force do you guys use in the usa?
16:59 <Lucifer> we use both newtons and pounds
16:59 <MrBougo> oh, a pound is a force unit?
16:59 <Lucifer> this particular problem uses pounds, but I just did one that uses newtons
16:59 <MrBougo> we only use newtons
17:00 <Lucifer> well, heh, there's a force pound and a mass pound, and they're defined as numerically equal
17:00 <Lucifer> but obviously by newton's second law, they can't be
17:00 <Lucifer> until I heard that, i was totally fine with US customary units
17:00 <MrBougo> hehe
17:00 <Lucifer> but after I learned that braindead definition of force and mass units, I decided to jump on the SI bandwagon
17:00 <MrBougo> :D
17:01 <MrBougo> SI? isn't that a french acronym?
17:01 <Lucifer> I'm still going to tease wrtl about it though ;)
17:01 <Lucifer> yeah, french, not belgian
17:01 <Lucifer> in fact, apparently the standard kg has lost mass
17:01 <MrBougo> heh
17:01 <MrBougo> has it?
17:01 <Lucifer> it was in the news a month ago or so
17:01 <MrBougo> everybody became fat!
17:03 <MrBougo> http://www.bipm.org/en/scientific/mass/pictures_mass/prototype.html
17:03 <MrBougo> heh
17:03 <MrBougo> the kilogram
17:05 <Lucifer> yay, it's right now
17:05 <Lucifer> man, I'm glad my instructor gives so little credit for the right answer
17:05 <Lucifer> i'd be screwed
17:05 <MrBougo> :p
17:06 <luke-jr> this guy is pretty suspicious
17:06 <Lucifer> I got an A on my last test with only 1 right answer.  ;)
17:06 <luke-jr> first he gives me "john@aol.com" for admin email
17:06 <luke-jr> now he's not wanting to give a billing address
17:07 <luke-jr> if he was in Cali, I'd suspect him of being Hyphy
17:07 <Lucifer> hey, this problem's got newtons in it
17:07 <GodTodd> fig?
17:07 <GodTodd> they're not cookies, they're fruit and cake
17:08 <Lucifer> man, I could use some fig newtons right now
17:08  * Lucifer is hungry
17:08 <GodTodd> they have this thing that cures that now
17:08 <Lucifer> the nicotine vaccination?
17:08 <GodTodd> no
17:08 <GodTodd> food
17:08 <GodTodd> :)
17:09 <Lucifer> shit, no kidding?
17:09 <GodTodd> yeah
17:09 <Lucifer> when did they come out with that?
17:09 <GodTodd> was in the news a few days ago
17:09 <Lucifer> ooo, I've been studying, hadn't noticed
17:09 <GodTodd> one of those "why didn't i think of that" things
17:10 <MrBougo> heh, thats stuch a nice idea though
17:10 <MrBougo> i should test it out when i get more time
17:10 <Lucifer> how do you explain to a 4 year old why you have to copy the drawing out of a textbook?
17:10 <MrBougo> it's to have fun!
17:11 <MrBougo> funfunfun!
17:11 <GodTodd> tell him it's not good to write in the book?
17:13 <MrBougo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule
17:13 <MrBougo> haha
17:14 <MrBougo> damn i'm still using it to recall the orientation of space
17:14  * MrBougo hides
17:15 <GodTodd> orientation of space is easy...it's up
17:15 <GodTodd> :)
17:15 <MrBougo> errr ok
17:15 <Lucifer> well, if you go down far enough, you'll reach my happy space
17:16 <GodTodd> wouldn't want to bump heads with luke-jr though
17:16 <GodTodd> ;)
17:17 <Lucifer> heh, I'm going to use the big part of the truss just so don't have to determine the 2 force reaction at the support without wheels
17:21 <MrBougo> ¡¡¡¡
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17:24 <MrBougo> what's the translation for truss in french
17:24 <MrBougo> #translate en fr truss
17:24 <armabot> MrBougo: botte
17:24 <MrBougo> omgomg
17:24 <MrBougo> #translate fr en botte
17:24 <armabot> MrBougo: boot
17:24 <MrBougo> :/
17:24 <spidey> lol
17:24 <MrBougo> gah
17:25 <spidey> truss can be many things
17:25 <spidey> just depends what luci ment for it to be =p
17:25 <GodTodd> a truss is generally a support for something
17:26 <GodTodd> now...what it supports varies the actual meaning ;)
17:26 <spidey> =p
17:26 <spidey> http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+truss&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
17:26 <spidey> it has so many definitions
17:26 <spidey> lol
17:27 <GodTodd> yep
17:27 <GodTodd> that's pretty standard for english tho
17:27 <spidey> i'm really not looking forward to today
17:28 <spidey> i'm thinking about going to the doctor instead
17:28 <spidey> maybe he'll make me be able to breathe through my nose >.>
17:30 <MrBougo> huh
17:30 <MrBougo> having a cold?
17:30 <spidey> i guess
17:30 <spidey> hoping it's not the flue
17:30 <spidey> -e
17:30 <MrBougo> flu you mean
17:30 <MrBougo> oh :p
17:31 <spidey> i haven't been sick in over 4 years until now =(
17:31 <MrBougo> :o
17:31 <MrBougo> spider flu
17:31 <MrBougo> gtg
17:31 <MrBougo> i'll be back... SOON
17:31 <spidey> cya
17:31 <MrBougo> heh
17:32 <MrBougo> the only thing you can take over with a netsplit is the topic
17:32 <MrBougo> i figured out
17:32 <spidey> ..
17:32 <spidey> you can't even take that over really
17:32 <MrBougo> when theres a split and you're the only one on the chan, cycle and you can change the topic
17:32 <MrBougo> heh, i did it on swiftirc and on quakenet already
17:32 <spidey> MrBougo, pointless
17:33 <MrBougo> :(
17:33 <spidey> and it depends if you're on the server with chanserv or not
17:33 <spidey> if you're on the server with chanserv you can't do anything you couldn't before =p
17:33 <MrBougo> :o
17:33 <spidey> once the servers are back up
17:33 <spidey> the topic goes back to normal
17:33 <spidey> == pointless
17:33 <MrBougo> yep, i know
17:33 <MrBougo> theres no chanserv here afaik
17:34 <spidey> is so
17:34 <spidey> he's just not in the channel
17:34 <spidey> /msg chanserv help
17:35 <MrBougo> i know :/
17:35  * MrBougo aint a noob
17:35 <MrBougo> or only a bit
17:35 <spidey> lo
17:35 <spidey> l
17:35 <MrBougo> now im out for real
17:35 <MrBougo> but I'LL BE BACK HAHHAA
17:35 <MrBougo> *oughcoughcough*
17:35 <spidey> no you wont'
17:36 <MrBougo> ok :(
17:36 <MrBougo> /kick MrBougo
17:36 <MrBougo> * #armagetron :You need to be a channel operator to do that
17:36 <spidey> /part spidey pwns me
17:36 <MrBougo> I SHOULDNT
17:36 <spidey> works better
17:36 <MrBougo> i deserve the right to kick myself
17:36 <MrBougo> nah spidey
17:36 <MrBougo> for some reason, on xchat you have to do /part #armagetron bleh
17:37 <MrBougo> or /part alone
17:37 <MrBougo> i made an alias
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17:37 <MrBougo> damn, i was just demonstrating it.....
17:37 <MrBougo> forgot the double slash
17:37 <spidey> lol
17:37 <MrBougo> /p something
17:37 <MrBougo> so /p spidey pwns me
17:38 <spidey> <=== supreme overlord of the galaxy
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17:39 <spidey> :<
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17:58 <Lucifer> let's put the x in sex
18:01 <Lucifer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss
18:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7367 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fixed pedantic new warnings in GCC 4.1.3.
18:03 <Lucifer> the primary reason open source software improves with time is because GCC gets more anal with each release
18:05 <z-man> Yeah :)
18:07 <z-man> Now, is there a way to compile with "make -j <bla>" and still get error locations in emacs?
18:08 <Lucifer> I think so, I think distcc still gives you the output of the other process
18:09 <Lucifer> hey, now that I've got every computer running the same distribution, binary even, I should setup distcc again
18:09 <z-man> Yeah, but emacs also parses make's "entering directory xyz" messages...
18:09 <Lucifer> yeah, it'll still get those for sure
18:09 <Lucifer> make isn't distributed, distcc wraps gcc, not make
18:09 <z-man> and with -j, it doesn't know which directory the current error message comes from.
18:09 <z-man> same problem :)
18:09 <Lucifer> ah, I see
18:10 <Lucifer> color-gcc?  ;)
18:10  * Lucifer uses color-gcc
18:10 <z-man> does that help emacs?
18:10 <Lucifer> not that I do much compiling....
18:10 <Lucifer> no, it doesn't help your specific problem at all
18:10 <z-man> but it looks pretty?
18:10 <Lucifer> but errors will be red, and warnings yellow, etc, so it's easier to find stuff in the terminal
18:11  * z-man uses -Werror
18:11 <Lucifer> so yes, you'll be able to quickly find error messages in a big window full of horribly long gcc invocations
18:12 <z-man> Finding the error itself is not the problem, getting the source file it was from automatically is.
18:12 <Lucifer> I think distcc and color-gcc are compatible with each other, but didn't experiment with it enough to know for certain
18:12 <Lucifer> are you definitely having the problem now, or just trying to anticipate it?
18:12 <Lucifer> I seem to recall make waiting for all distcc processes to finish before it leaves a directory...
18:13 <z-man> I definitely ran make -j from emacs and it didn't find the locations of the errors, and leaving the -j away fixed that.
18:13 <z-man> but it's not really a problem problem.
18:13 <Lucifer> (not that distcc is required for -j, just having a multi-core system benefits)
18:14 <Lucifer> hmmm, I think I've given you everything I've got on the subject right now :)
18:14 <z-man> Yeah, I'll just have to hack something if it's that important to me :)
18:16 <Lucifer> there might be flag to tell make to wait before leaving a directory, but it could just be some emacs developer decided that -j meant it couldn't track anything, so emacs may not be trying hard enough
18:16 <Lucifer> press the "try harder" button
18:20 <GodTodd> is that anywhere near the "any key"?
18:21 <z-man> No, next to the F1 key you have to press when you don't have a keyboard connected.
18:24  * GodTodd saw a shirt once that had an error box of "An error has occurred, press ok to continue" and then had "yes" and "no" buttons
18:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer: actually, that's one of the points i mentioned to you when we discussed it ;)
18:38 <wrtlprnft> sort of, at least
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18:40 <z-man> meh, /me will just use "make -j 3 || make -k"
18:47 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: there is another mass unit in the us customary system, it's just not used very much
18:48 <Lucifer> I had at least one physics teacher and one calc teacher tell me there was no such thing as mass pounds, but then we spent some time in my statics class talking about it
18:50 <Lucifer> what do you do when you've triple-checked all of your computations, and you still disagree with the book's answer?
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18:53 <GodTodd> you decide that education is useless, drop out and form a failing hosting company :)
18:53 <Lucifer> lemme double check this :)
18:53 <Lucifer> so, the moment of force given by the formula rFsin(theta)
18:53 <Lucifer> theta is the angle between the force vector and the position vector, right?
18:54 <GodTodd> i beieve so, yeah
18:54 <GodTodd> believe*
18:54 <Lucifer> well, I can't see it being any other angle
18:54 <Lucifer> and when it's 90 degrees where sin is 1, you get just F*d
18:55 <GodTodd> heh...for a moment there i read that as fucked
18:55 <GodTodd> ;)
18:56 <Lucifer> I found my distance two ways and got the same number
18:58 <Lucifer> #math calc -240*2 - 360*4 - 240*6 - 120*8 + 840*8
18:58 <armabot> Lucifer: 2400
18:58 <Lucifer> er, what?
18:59 <Lucifer> #math calc (-240*2) - (360*4) - (240*6) - (120*8) + (840*8)
19:00 <armabot> Lucifer: 2400
19:00 <Lucifer> #math calc (-240*2) - (360*4) - (240*6) - (120*8) + (840*9)
19:00 <armabot> Lucifer: 3240
19:01 <Lucifer> #math calc (-240*2) - (360*4) - (240*6) - (120*8) + (840*8)
19:01 <armabot> Lucifer: 2400
19:02 <Lucifer> that's annoying
19:02 <Lucifer> my calculator gave me a different answer
19:02  * Lucifer wants to blame his calculator, but when he typed it in exactly as he did here, calculator gave 2400
19:09 <z-man> Sneaky little thing.
19:09 <Lucifer> #math calc (240*2) + (360*4) + (240*6) + (120*8) - (840*8)
19:09 <armabot> Lucifer: -2400
19:09 <Lucifer> man, I was totally spot on on the last problem, this one I'm just screwing everything up
19:16 <Lucifer> comes a time when you just have to move on
19:35 <GodTodd> hrmm...known good ubuntu disk (i've installed two machines with it) starts to boot on an older laptop but only boots into command line....
19:46 -!- QUARG [n=QUARG@modemcable004.12-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #armagetron
19:46 <QUARG> hello
19:47 <QUARG> i was in the middle of doing the sty patch, suring the make i got this error.
19:47 <QUARG> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `armagetronad_main.c', needed by `armagetronad_main.o'.  Stop.
19:47 <QUARG> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
19:47 <QUARG> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
19:47 <QUARG> make: *** [all] Error 2
19:47 <QUARG> modemcable004:~/Desktop/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1 quarg$
19:48 <QUARG> i am using macos in the terminal app to do the patching as discribed in the wiki
19:48 <epsy> so, what was the output of ./configure ?
19:48 <QUARG> lookigin
19:49 <QUARG> its quite long do you want me to post it all here?
19:50 <QUARG> or just the last few lines
19:50 <epsy> pastebin.ca
19:51 <QUARG> http://pastebin.ca/767400
19:52 <QUARG> config is on ine 40
19:52 <QUARG> i got the source code from the dl page on the armagetron,net
19:55 <QUARG> can i redo the whole process on the same source file a second time or do i have to start fresh?
19:59 <epsy> sorry back
19:59 <QUARG> sok
19:59 <QUARG> though i missed you ;)
19:59 <epsy> #
19:59 <epsy> -bash: svn: command not found
19:59 <epsy> good start :/
19:59 <QUARG> that was my first attempt at getting the source
19:59 <QUARG> so i went and dled it from arma.net
20:00 <epsy> not sure the lastet pigsty works with stable
20:01 <QUARG> mmm might be the issue
20:01 <QUARG> which version would you suggest?
20:02 <QUARG> is the sty patch included in the newest source?
20:02 <QUARG> maybe there is no need to patch it
20:02 <QUARG> just compile the newest source
20:03 <epsy> no
20:03 <epsy> it's not in lastet svn
20:03 <epsy> and it'ill never be
20:04 <epsy> not in it's form, at least ;)
20:04 <epsy> URL : https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad
20:04 <epsy> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad <dir>
20:05 <QUARG> what is this page?
20:05 <epsy> but you need to install svn first
20:05 <epsy> i'ts the svn repository
20:07 <QUARG> what is the <dir>?
20:08 <QUARG> this is the line suggested in the wiki
20:08 <QUARG> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad armagetronad
20:10 <QUARG> im not sure what you mean by install the svn
20:15 <epsy> http://subversion.tigris.org/
20:15 <epsy> install that
20:16 <epsy> <dir> is the dir you want the files to be put in
20:18 <QUARG> im  running macos
20:18 <QUARG> that seems to be for windows
20:20 <epsy> you didn't really look in it
20:21 <epsy> go to downloads and see if it's really for wingblows
20:22 <QUARG> my mistake sorrry
20:22 <epsy> :P
20:24 <QUARG> seems to have installed succesfuly
20:24 <epsy> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad <dir>
20:24 <epsy> now dl the svn
20:24 <epsy> (svn repo)
20:25 <QUARG> temporarily or permanently?
20:25 <epsy> ??
20:26 <QUARG> Error validating server certificate for 'https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net:443':
20:26 <QUARG>  - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the
20:26 <QUARG>    fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!
20:26 <QUARG> Certificate information:
20:26 <QUARG>  - Hostname: *.svn.sourceforge.net
20:26 <QUARG>  - Valid: from Oct  9 14:15:07 2007 GMT until Dec  8 15:15:07 2008 GMT
20:26 <QUARG>  - Issuer: Equifax Secure Certificate Authority, Equifax, US
20:26 <QUARG>  - Fingerprint: fb:75:6c:40:58:ae:21:8c:63:dd:1b:7b:6a:7d:bb:8c:74:36:e7:8a
20:26 <QUARG> (R)eject, accept (t)emporarily or accept (p)ermanently?
20:26 <epsy> ah
20:26 <epsy> as you like
20:26 <QUARG> eureka
20:27 <QUARG> svn: 'armagetron' does not appear to be a URL
20:27 <epsy> add a / after 'armagetron'
20:29 <QUARG> do i have to create a new folder on my dektop as a target?
20:29 <QUARG> or will it creat one
20:29 <epsy> it'ill create <dir> as needed, then i'ill put contents in there
20:29 <QUARG> thought so ty
20:31 <QUARG> svn: URL 'https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/armagetronad' doesn't exist
20:31 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$
20:32 <epsy> i said you to put a / after armagetron
20:32 <epsy> *armagetronad
20:32 <QUARG> aaaa
20:33 <QUARG> um i did
20:33 <QUARG> this line means im in the main directory right?
20:34 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$
20:34 <epsy> this line is your command prompt
20:34 <epsy> it invites you to type something ^^
20:34 <epsy> and also tells the current user and the current working dir
20:35 <epsy> wait
20:35 <epsy> at the end of the line
20:35 <epsy> you put 'armagetronad' 2 times
20:35 <QUARG> my desktop is /users/quarg
20:35 <epsy> there it's only one
20:35 <epsy> ~ = home directory
20:36 <QUARG> its doing something
20:36 <QUARG> Checked out revision 7367.
20:36 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$
20:37 <epsy> ok now you have the right svn versions :)
20:37 <epsy> cd into the dir it just made
20:37 <QUARG> i dont see it
20:37 <epsy> ?
20:38 <QUARG> i dont were it went
20:38 <QUARG> should i be on my comp?
20:38 <epsy> you should be on the same shell we were already
20:39 <epsy> well
20:39 <epsy> if you do 'ls' what happens ?
20:39 <epsy> does the dir we just made show up ?
20:40 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$ ls
20:40 <QUARG> Desktop                 Movies                  Send Registration
20:40 <QUARG> Documents               Music                   Sites
20:40 <QUARG> Incomplete              Pictures                armagetronad
20:40 <QUARG> Library                 Public                  dedicated
20:40 <QUARG> modemcable004:~ quarg$
20:40 <epsy> cd into the dir we just made
20:41 <QUARG> ok
20:41 <QUARG> then apply the patch and the rest
20:41 <QUARG> modemcable004:~/armagetronad quarg$
20:42 <epsy> indeed
20:42 <QUARG> ill give it a go and tell you how it comes out
20:42 <QUARG> pray for me:)
20:43 <QUARG> thankyou for your patients and help.
20:44 <QUARG> im not there yet sorry
20:46 <QUARG> bootstrap failed
20:46 <epsy> bost output on pastebin
20:47 <QUARG> http://pastebin.ca/767470
20:47 <QUARG> src/Makefile.am:166: invalid unused variable name: `armagetronad_main_master_SOURCES'
20:48 <QUARG> i must go out for a bit
20:48 <QUARG> should be back in 30 mins or so
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21:46 <MrBougo> hello supreme overlord
22:00 <QUARG> back
22:33 <QUARG> epsy how can i get the svn as a folder on my desktop?
22:39 <epsy> erm...
22:39 <epsy> open finder on your home folder
22:39 <QUARG> ok
22:41 <QUARG> it doesnt show
22:41 <QUARG> would i have to have selected permanent?
22:42 <QUARG> o i think i have found were it goes ty
22:43 <QUARG> i am going to try and use xcode instead
22:43 <epsy> ok ^^
22:43 <QUARG> might have better luck
22:44 <QUARG> its a mac application dev tool
22:45 <epsy> i know what it is
22:45 <epsy> i just have no clue on how to help you then
22:45 <QUARG> lol that makes 2 of us :)
22:45 <QUARG> ill wing it
22:45 <QUARG> thanx for everything epsy
22:45 <epsy> yw
22:46 <QUARG> even if it didnt work i still learned something today.
22:47 <epsy> lol!
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23:35 <GodTodd> anyone here really good with spreadsheet programs?
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