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Log from 2007-10-25:
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01:44 <P4> wrtlprnft: is there any -f switch in #lastseen?
01:44 <P4> oh, he's sleepin
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04:01 <Lucifer> luke-jr: you're not a hot chick, you idiot
04:01 <Lucifer> I meant if you were the last man on earth
04:13 <luke-jr> exactly my point, you idiot
04:13 <luke-jr> you said if she was the last one
04:20 -!- noob7 is now known as noob7_away
04:29 <Lucifer> you missed the point, I did screw it up, but you didn't fix it when you said "not if I were the last one"
04:29 <Lucifer> one, in that context, refers to "hot chick", and you're anything but a hot chick
04:33 <Lucifer> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-chimoon25oct25,1,5477738.story?coll=la-headlines-world  <--- video of China's moon probe launch
05:07 -!- UnnamedPlayer is now known as Khalsa
05:40 <Lucifer> would you like some chips and khalsa?
05:43  * GodTodd would like these friggen files to finish copying
05:50 <GodTodd> 27.5 GB over the wireless is taking forever
05:52 <GodTodd> Lucifer: had any major issues yet with upgrading to gutsy?
05:52 <Lucifer> GodTodd: no, it went very smoothly
05:52 <GodTodd> k
05:52 <Lucifer> so smoothly that I'm going to do the desktop tomorrow, probably
05:52 <GodTodd> i might upgrade this lappy in the next couple days then
05:53 <GodTodd> it went smoothly on the kitchen machine...i just have to remember how i set up sharing before :)
05:53 <Lucifer> it also configured my wireless very easily, which was very nice, and I don't think it's using ndiswrappers anymore
05:53 <GodTodd> nice
05:53 <Lucifer> still hasn't successfully configured my 3d chipset yet
05:54 <GodTodd> i'ma have a different ati card in my new/old laptop...wonder if the 3d for it will work
05:54 <Lucifer> problem is, there's a specific modeline argument that's not there that apparently only applies to a very small number of presarios, and I have to figure out what it is again
05:54 <GodTodd> radeon 300 or some such
05:55 <Lucifer> beats me, ati has been on-again off-again for supporting free drivers
05:55 <GodTodd> i know
05:55 <Lucifer> and free drivers are the only ones that ever really work :)
05:55 <GodTodd> yep
05:55 <Lucifer> I need to dig up a cable to hook up my laptop to my car's cd player for the weekend
05:56 <Lucifer> I'll be damned if I'm going to drive to alamogordo without music!
05:56 <GodTodd> i'll be upgrading and clearing this laptop once karen gets her cd from work
05:56 <Lucifer> my wife needs the alarm clock, so I can't take that one
05:56 <Lucifer> her cd?
05:56 <GodTodd> tommy doesn't need 75% or more of the shit i have installed
05:56 <GodTodd> yeah...the work-from-home software
05:56 <Lucifer> ah, right
05:57 <Lucifer> they have linux versions of that shit yet?  ;)
05:57 <GodTodd> i'm hoping that it runs under wine or i can get the settings and just use native vnc stuff
05:57 <Lucifer> rdesktop :)
05:57 <Lucifer> get a slow-as-dirt hand-me-down and toss winxp on it
05:58 <Lucifer> I hear you can make it take remote users with their terminal services protocol, just one at a time on the personal edition
05:58 <Lucifer> rdesktop should support connecting to that
05:58 <GodTodd> i want to be able to show her definitively that whatever you can do on winders you can do better, faster, and more rockingly on linux ;)
05:58 <Lucifer> there's a virtual machine that z-man dug up awhile ago that might work too
05:58 <Lucifer> heh, that's true :)
05:59 <GodTodd> heh...my server upstairs runs winxp
05:59 <GodTodd> i could install it there and have her rdesktop to that
05:59 <GodTodd> :)
06:00 <Lucifer> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/srg/netos/xen/
06:00 <GodTodd> that and i hope to see if her version of money runs under wine
06:00 <Lucifer> hell, you can even test it with what you've got and make sure it works :)
06:00 <Lucifer> if it's old enough, it might
06:00 <GodTodd> it's 2001 i think
06:01 <GodTodd> i bet it will
06:01 <Khalsa> Lucifer: har har har
06:02 <GodTodd> i think she was actually impressed that i could even get her ie
06:02 <GodTodd> :)
06:03 <Lucifer> xen isn't what I was looking for, it requires OSes to be ported to run under it :(
06:03 <GodTodd> bah
06:03 <GodTodd> i would prefer something more or less transparent
06:03 <GodTodd> transluscent at least ;)
06:04 <Lucifer> they have an experimental mode that might work, but it's not the one z-man linked awhile back
06:04 <Lucifer> damn, where's z-man when you need him?
06:05 <Lucifer> z-man-work: ping
06:05 <GodTodd> heh
06:05 <GodTodd> isn't it like 5am there?
06:06  * GodTodd actually used xcopy today
06:24 <Lucifer> man, I want to write a pygame-based text adventure game with cool sound effects and shit
06:26 <Lucifer> aha, found it
06:26 <Lucifer> VirtualBox
06:26 <GodTodd> yeah...i was thinking that
06:26 <GodTodd> didn't know that's what you were looking for ;)
06:27 <Lucifer> looks like there's packages for it, too
06:27 <GodTodd> from what i read, you can install an entire winders in virtual box
06:27 <Lucifer> sorry, I'm still stuck in the VMWare is $350 frame of mind
06:28 <Lucifer> version 1.5
06:29  * GodTodd just can't wait to get linux on his new/old laptop
06:29 <Lucifer> er, that version 1.5 is the version of VirtualBox that gusty has
06:30 <GodTodd> 3x clock speed, 50GB more memory and double the ram....i'll be in what xtians might call heaven ;)
06:30 <GodTodd> 50GB more hdd that is
06:32 <Lucifer> I hate it when people don't provide an html version of their user manual
06:32 -!- P4 is now known as P4|away
06:38 <Lucifer> aha, my forum search did turn up z-man's post, I just mistakenly thought it was in a new thread and it was actually in the buildbot thread
06:39 <Khalsa> all manuals should be in man-page or latex form
06:40  * GodTodd wonders if you get more documents when latex breaks...
06:41  * Lucifer wonders if traditional catholics would read a bible formatted in latex
06:41 <Lucifer> Khalsa: fine, have them that way, but give me an html version too
06:42  * GodTodd wonders if latex could be thought of as thought control
06:42 <Khalsa> latex -> html is simple and easy
06:42 <Lucifer> not when I want to read it online from somebody's website without downloading shit and doing shit
06:42 <Lucifer> I preview how software works by reading the documentation, and I don't want to have to download and unzip your source tarball and do a bunch of shit to get an html manual
06:43 <Lucifer> put it on a website in html format and let me read it, if it's as easy as you say
06:43 <Khalsa> we are!
06:43 <Lucifer> the virtualbox people aren't
06:44  * Lucifer got Toxic Shock Syndrome when he used latex last
06:45 <GodTodd> well...that's what you get for using the same session over and over
06:45 <Lucifer> now I use txt2tags, aka lubricated latex
06:46 <GodTodd> goddamn...i have way too many things i want to get done
06:46 <GodTodd> wonder if my legislative bill to go to the 100 hour day has come up for debate yet
06:46 <Lucifer> ?
06:47 <Lucifer> did you actually submit a bill to the legislature asking for a 100 hour day?
06:47 <GodTodd> just ranting :)
06:47 <Lucifer> ah, er, duh
06:47 <GodTodd> no...but sometimes it seems like a good idea :)
06:47 <Lucifer> ignore that last one
06:47 <Lucifer> we should see if we can get them to redefine e as 2.0
06:47 <GodTodd> i want them to redefine Pi to "3ish"
06:47 <Lucifer> they'd probably see right through the pi scam
06:48 <Lucifer> hey, e = pi for large values of e and small values of pi
06:48 <GodTodd> just like 2+2=5
06:48 <GodTodd> for large values of 2
06:49 <Khalsa> 1=0
06:49 <GodTodd> there are 10 types of people in this world
06:49 <Lucifer> they should pass a law making the values of e and pi both 2.9, to reduce the number of constants we have to know
06:49 <Khalsa> me and you
06:49 <GodTodd> those who understand binary and those who don't
06:50 <GodTodd> 7 out of 5 people suffer from math illiteracy
06:50 <Lucifer> well, 6 out of 5 people think this sentence contains a ratio
06:50 <GodTodd> the box said to install windows 98 or better so i installed linux
06:51 <Lucifer> and when it didn't run you asked for a refund?
06:51 <GodTodd> heh
06:51 <Lucifer> hey, xprizecup this weekend :)
06:51 <GodTodd> friends don't let friends run windows
06:51  * Lucifer is considering querying the chronicle now, since geek.com hasn't responded and he doesn't think they will
06:52  * GodTodd might try to catch the webcast...i'm assuming they're doing that again this year.
06:59 <Lucifer> I went looking to post a link but didn't find one
06:59 <Lucifer> anybody know any good online trip planners that have up-to-date construction/toll road information?
07:02 <Lucifer> US-290 W becomes US-290 W.  <--- no shit?
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07:06 <Lucifer> not using yahoo's trip planner, they're trying to put me on a toll road
07:07 <GodTodd> i think these are the people that did it last year (the webcast): http://www.space.com/xprizecup/
07:11 <wrtlprnft> P4|away: yeah, there is, it makes the search match only the exact nick
07:11 <wrtlprnft> P4|away: you need to prefix it
07:13 <Lucifer> http://nmroads.com/   <--- awesome site
07:14 <Lucifer> ok, so it's basically "drive the same route, there's nothing going on on it"
07:14 <Lucifer> probably shouldn't speed, and need to make sure my insurance card is up to date
07:16 <GodTodd> you go the south route, right?
07:16 <Lucifer> yeah, that looks like the same people, and it looks like they're covering it again
07:16 <Lucifer> yeah, we go i10
07:16 <Lucifer> it adds 3 hours to go through D/FW :)
07:16 <GodTodd> yep
07:17 <GodTodd> takes us around 12 hours to get to alamo
07:18 <Lucifer> 25.883mpg
07:18 <Lucifer> it's, er, I closed mapquest, hang on
07:18 <Khalsa> where you going?
07:18 <Lucifer> 678.75 miles
07:19 <Lucifer> Khalsa: xprizecup
07:19 <Lucifer> pay attention!  :)
07:19 <GodTodd> tho that figure could be a little off...the time zone change always messes with my head
07:19 <Khalsa> freaking nerds
07:19 <Lucifer> I did Austin to Fort Stockton in 3 hours one time
07:19  * Khalsa goes off to bed
07:19 <GodTodd> not nerds
07:19 <GodTodd> geeks
07:19 <Lucifer> got a ticket on the way
07:19 <GodTodd> :P
07:19 <Lucifer> not geeks, space enthusiasts
07:19 <Khalsa> freaking nerds
07:19 <GodTodd> yep
07:19 <GodTodd> geeks
07:19 <Lucifer> don't make me use a random racial slur on you!
07:20  * Khalsa resists the urge to set a trigger to say "freaking nerds" everytime you say geeks
07:20 <GodTodd> Lucifer: like hackey?
07:20 <Lucifer> er, this chatter has made the numbers I was trying to note scroll out of view
07:20 <GodTodd> :)
07:20 <GodTodd> 25.883 mpg
07:20 <Khalsa> 3ish
07:20 <GodTodd> 678.75 mi
07:21 <Lucifer> #math calc 678.75/25.883
07:21 <armabot> Lucifer: 26.2237762238
07:21 <Lucifer> 26 gallons of gas?
07:21 <Lucifer> that's not bad
07:21  * Lucifer wonders how big his tank is
07:21 <GodTodd> halfpoint fill?
07:21 <Khalsa> google it!
07:21 <Lucifer> mapquest doesn't have a gas stop planner, apparently
07:21 <GodTodd> we always fill halfway there
07:22 <Lucifer> ah, we always stop in fort stockton
07:22 <GodTodd> in post or brownfield
07:22 <GodTodd> whichever we decide at the time
07:22 <GodTodd> they're an hour apart
07:23 <GodTodd> do you end up going up through The Pass?
07:25 <Lucifer> oh fuck it, I'll go on my last fill up
07:26 <Lucifer> 12.38 miles
07:26 <Lucifer> er
07:26 <Lucifer> 12.38 gallons
07:26 <Lucifer> no, we wind up going through el paso
07:26 <GodTodd> that's what i said :P
07:26 <Lucifer> although, now that I say that, I wonder if you meant that, and I thought you meant cloudcroft :)
07:27 <GodTodd> nah...*we* go through cloudcroft
07:27 <Lucifer> I think the distance from d/fw to the i10/i20 junction is the same as the distance from austin
07:27 <Lucifer> you guys drive slow, then
07:27 <Lucifer> I did that drive in 9 hours awhile back
07:28 <Lucifer> so yeah, we go through el shitso
07:28 <Lucifer> heh
07:28 <GodTodd> no...we have a 9 year old and (last time we drove it) a 10 month old
07:28 <Lucifer> I need to make an alternate route that goes through cloudcroft
07:28 <Lucifer> ah, 10 month olds can make a short trip into a long one :)
07:28 <GodTodd> yep
07:28 <Lucifer> I need a better trip planner than this mapquest bullshit
07:29 <GodTodd> and we stop for lunch or whatever when we stop for gas
07:29 <Lucifer> for some reason I'm really concerned about gas stops, even though I know if I make it to fort stockton, I'm fine
07:29 <GodTodd> so that adds time
07:29 <Lucifer> true dat
07:29 <Lucifer> I'm planning on going straight through without stopping
07:29 <Lucifer> conservation of energy, you know
07:29 <GodTodd> yeah
07:29 <Lucifer> more seriously, I don't want to stop any longer than necessary at any place
07:29 <GodTodd> my back kills me after a few hours tho
07:30 <Lucifer> heh, you should've seen me when I drove my truck down here :)
07:30 <Lucifer> when I got here, I was literally walking bent over
07:30 <GodTodd> i bet
07:30 <Lucifer> that sucked a lot, but the drive was a lot of fun
07:30 <Lucifer> but man, I don't think there's a single springy spring left in the seat of that truck
07:30 <GodTodd> i love the travelling...it's the hurt back and numb butt i hate
07:30 <Lucifer> it's like driving on a plywood chair, 16 hours a day (sometimes more, sometimes less)
07:31 <Lucifer> I kind of enjoy all those stupid little pains I get on a long drive
07:31 <Lucifer> kind of masochistic I guess
07:31 <GodTodd> masochist
07:31 <GodTodd> :P
07:31 <Lucifer> the drive with the truck was thoroughly satisfying in that regard
07:32 <Lucifer> it was a challenging drive, though.  :)
07:32 <Lucifer> I had to stop every hour for gas, and in Wyoming that gas stop included a distributor adjustment, and sometimes a carb adjustment
07:32 <GodTodd> should have been ok as long as you steered clear of any part of kansas
07:32 <Lucifer> went right through kansas
07:32 <GodTodd> then the drive sucke
07:32 <Lucifer> stopped in Salina and saw my bro
07:32 <GodTodd> d
07:32 <Lucifer> kansas isn't that bad
07:33 <GodTodd> kansas sucks
07:33 <Lucifer> I was stuck in it for 6 hours though 'cause I chatted with my bro for 3
07:33 <Lucifer> but he fed me fried chicken, I couldn't resist!
07:33 <GodTodd> he's in salina?
07:33 <GodTodd> wtf is in salina?
07:33 <Lucifer> after 4 years of eating what passes for fried chicken in seattle, even that shit they make in kansas tasted good
07:33 <Lucifer> no, he lives in milton, he works in salina
07:34 <Lucifer> salina is northwest of wichita
07:34 <GodTodd> all salina ever was to me was a sleep/eat stop
07:34 <Lucifer> so I only had to take a small piece of the toll road
07:34 <GodTodd> bene there many times :P
07:34 <GodTodd> been*
07:34 <GodTodd> we used to drive alamo-omaha about every summer
07:34 <Lucifer> driving through oklahoma is shitty, though
07:35 <Lucifer> I'd have preferred to go down through new mexico, at least new mexico has nice scenery
07:35 <Lucifer> oklahoma is like "Oh, a hill.  Oh, a cactus.  Oh, a trailer."
07:35 <GodTodd> oklahoma has cops that *love* to do radar duty
07:36 <Lucifer> so does west texas :(
07:36 <Lucifer> otherwise, i'd gladly take this drive as fast as my car will go
07:36 <GodTodd> we drive through a bit of oklahoma when we go to arkansas
07:36 <Lucifer> there's nothing dangerous about driving on I-10 at 100mph or higher
07:36 <GodTodd> maybe southwest texas
07:36 <GodTodd> northwest texas doesn't have many cops
07:36 <GodTodd> not on the highways at least
07:37 <Lucifer> there's a few places you should slow down, but most of the highway is straight and relatively flat
07:37 <GodTodd> not many towns either
07:37 <Lucifer> well, I-10 is a major trucking route, so there's lots of money in tickets
07:37 <GodTodd> i still want to know htf everyone in Throckmorton has such huge houses
07:37 <Lucifer> in fact, that's most of the traffic on I-10 between san antone and el paso
07:38 <GodTodd> texas has silly town names
07:38 <Lucifer> er, damn, I lost my gas tank size and the other stuff
07:38 <GodTodd> i love it :)
07:38 <Lucifer> #math calc 26.2237762238/12.38
07:38 <armabot> Lucifer: 2.11823717478
07:38 <Lucifer> so I'll need to fill up twice on the drive, it looks like
07:38 <Lucifer> that second fill up will be el paso
07:39 <Lucifer> first will be fort stockton, I guess
07:39 <Lucifer> I better find a better trip planner than this
07:39 <GodTodd> we drive a jap car...one fill does us ;)
07:39 <Lucifer> armabot is a good bot, but she's a shitty trip planner
07:39 <Lucifer> mine's a jap car too, it's just old :)
07:39 <GodTodd> 3-400 miles on a tank
07:41  * GodTodd knows when we get to the nm border on our trips...you can smell that fucking refinery for a hunnerd miles
07:41 <GodTodd> in artesia i think it is
07:43 <GodTodd> hrmm
07:43 <GodTodd> was ham the chimp born in alamo?
07:43 <GodTodd> i don't think so
07:44 <GodTodd> he's buried there...
07:48 <GodTodd> # El Paso International Airport in neighboring El Paso, Texas
07:48 <GodTodd> heh..."neighboring"
07:50 <Lucifer> dammit, doesn't anybody have a trip planner that lets me put in mpg and generates gas stops?
07:51 <GodTodd> holy fuck...i found what has got to be the most boring site on the web
07:51 <GodTodd> www.alamogordonow.com
07:52 <GodTodd> they have a webcam of 1st street
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08:01 <Lucifer> ok, I give up looking, I'll have to call it by ear
08:01 <Lucifer> better make sure to pack a gas can, gas stations in west texas are few and far between
08:02 <Lucifer> so, what's good to take on a trip with kids?
08:02 <Lucifer> food, that is
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08:29 <Lucifer> damn
08:29 <Lucifer> 3 kids means 3 emails to teachers to tell them I'm taking them out of town on school days
08:31 <GodTodd> heh
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08:48 <Lucifer> I see GodTodd finished his gusty upgrade
08:48 <GodTodd> nope...haven't even started on here
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09:04 <z-man> I upgraded to gutsy, but that stupid update progam still tells me every time that there is a new version available :(
09:05 <z-man> gusty, I mean :)
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09:05 <GodTodd> z-man: you were right the first time :)
09:06 <z-man> Oh, ok.
09:06 <z-man> Those stupid code names annoy me.
09:06 <freako> Z-man can I ask you a question?
09:06 <z-man> How are you supposed to know which of two versions is more recent?
09:06 <z-man> freako: you already did :)
09:06 <freako> yeah, one more :P
09:07 <z-man> go ahead.
09:07 <GodTodd> z-man: later in the alphabet is newer
09:07 <GodTodd> gutsy is after feisty is after edgy is after dapper...etc
09:07  * z-man probably should have known that
09:08 <freako> Can you remember SUMO ALTERNATE ENDING server?? Was a server some time ago,when you sumo normally, the last players keeps his zone and could Fort against nthe other winners
09:08 <z-man> No, never seen that server.
09:08 <freako> but how does it work, its not working and i tried everything except hacking till now
09:08 <freako> It was a server, if theres a hack it needs to be somewhere
09:09 <z-man> It probably was hacked. I would not know how to do such a thing with a stock arma.
09:09 <z-man> maybe one of luke's evil experiments?
09:09 <freako> Could be, but i thought Durka or manta made it, but trying to reach them but dont get respond :(
09:11 <freako> #lastseen -f durka
09:11 <armabot> freako: Durka has last been seen on  Wild West  =Team Sumo= 5 hours 12 minutes ago.
09:11 <freako> #lastseen manta
09:11 <armabot> freako: °¯Manta has last been seen on  Wild West  =Wild Fortress= 22 hours 48 minutes ago.
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09:46 <freako> lol luci
09:59 <spidey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=887&num=1
10:10 <eddiefantastic> freako: you here?
10:11 <freako> yeh
10:12 <freako> Y?
10:12 <eddiefantastic> http://crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?t=1670
10:12 <eddiefantastic> have a read through that
10:12 <eddiefantastic> look at crazy-tronners.com/wiki
10:12 <freako> kk
10:12 <eddiefantastic> if you want a copy of the hacked server, let me know
10:12 <eddiefantastic> it only comes in source form
10:13 <freako> :D, its based on his system but its different
10:13 <freako> cto
10:13 <freako> but it isnt succeeding, i cant get arma hacked :(
10:13 <eddiefantastic> explain what you want exactly?
10:13 <eddiefantastic> we've already hacked it
10:13 <eddiefantastic> I'm sure it'll do what you want
10:13 <eddiefantastic> from the little I've rad anyway
10:14 <freako> how can i get that and use it?
10:14 <eddiefantastic> *read
10:14 <eddiefantastic> what os are you using to host the server?
10:14 <freako> I need Sumo that is normal except the winners of their respective zones and they can play fort with thier non collapsing zones
10:14 <freako> uhm.... windows and linux
10:15 <freako> windows here, and the other pc is linux
10:15 <eddiefantastic> it'll be the source code so you can compile it under linux
10:15 <eddiefantastic> windows, you're on your own
10:15 <freako> :(
10:15 <eddiefantastic> play fort with their non collapsing zones?
10:15 <eddiefantastic> what does that mean?
10:16 <freako> There are 5 Sumo Places with each 4 players// Every zone 1 player survives- His zone doesnt collapse and he can play fort against the other winners for more points
10:16 <freako> i have an map for it up now
10:18 <eddiefantastic> so you want the zones to grow back to their original size, or still shrink?
10:19 <freako> They need to stay as big as when they killed all, or grow back, what should be better
10:19 <freako> nice idea to with the zone going to the center
10:20 <eddiefantastic> the growth rate is set in the map, not by the servers
10:20 <freako> i know
10:20 <eddiefantastic> so unhacked that couldn't be altered
10:20 <freako> Your idea sound like an CT mayhem map :P
10:21 <eddiefantastic> my idea?
10:21 <freako> or eds idea
10:21 <eddiefantastic> I was trying to guess yours
10:21 <eddiefantastic> <--ed
10:21 <freako> :D
10:21 <freako> yeah rad your post?
10:21 <eddiefantastic> that was quargs idea
10:21 <freako> 4x2 sumo and then the zones go to the middle were they other 4 can sumo it out
10:21 <eddiefantastic> I thought that was his
10:22 <freako> oh lol :P
10:22 <freako> could be 2
10:22 <eddiefantastic> I was merely giving him a solution that would work
10:22 <freako> :(
10:23 <eddiefantastic> you can change zone conquer rate/ defence_rate, etc during the round on an unhacked server
10:23 <eddiefantastic> turning sumo zones into fortress zones
10:23 <eddiefantastic> but I don't think it would really work as a better server :(
10:23 <freako> i know with that its possible but how can i do it that it does that when somebody wins
10:24 <eddiefantastic> so as they win their some zone becomes a fortress zone?
10:24 <eddiefantastic> win their "pod" game that is
10:24 <freako> yes
10:24 <freako> yes
10:25 <freako> but youre idea sounds to big for my brain to handle -_-
10:25 <eddiefantastic> it would have to be a global change across all zone
10:25 <eddiefantastic> s
10:25 <freako> oh
10:25 <eddiefantastic> you could set that after a certain time the zone settigns are changed
10:26 <eddiefantastic> a simple script could do that
10:26 <freako> but how do i make that Delayed?
10:26 <eddiefantastic> you seen setting changing on mayhem?
10:26 <eddiefantastic> 60 and 80 seconds nito each round the settings change
10:26 <freako> yeah
10:26 <eddiefantastic> like that
10:27 <eddiefantastic> but I think it would make sumo worse rather that better personally
10:27 <freako> :(
10:27 <eddiefantastic> my typing is awful
10:27 <freako> How would it be an improvement then???
10:28 <eddiefantastic> shooting and zombies ;)
10:28 <freako> erh... how could Sumo be improved then?
10:28 <freako> Lol zombie in a sumo :(
10:29 <freako> shooting sumo maahauhaua!!!
10:29 <eddiefantastic> with the hacked server you could do all sorts of weird and wonderful things with the zone, you have control
10:29 <freako> or an sumo server with 10 different sumo maps
10:29 <freako> Wild Sumo
10:29 <eddiefantastic> whether it would make sumo better?
10:29 <eddiefantastic> certainly be different
10:29 <freako> ???
10:30 <eddiefantastic> wild fortress is different to fortress
10:30 <eddiefantastic> is it better?
10:30 <eddiefantastic> matter of opinion
10:30 <freako> No, but its fun 2
10:30 <eddiefantastic> exactly
10:30 <freako> yeah, in my opinion Normal fort is the best
10:31 <eddiefantastic> but that map with the funny angles, I hate that one ;)
10:31 <freako> me 2
10:31 <eddiefantastic> haha
10:31 <freako> *everybody* does
10:31 <eddiefantastic> everyone hates that one
10:31 <freako> we just like to hate that map :P
10:31 <eddiefantastic> :)
10:31 <freako> Ok new idea, Creat a new gametype Muahuhahau!!!!!
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10:32 <freako> wrong button
10:32 <freako> New Idea Create A new Gamtype Mahuahuahua!!!!
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10:33 <freako> sorry pc went mad
10:33 <freako> you there?
10:34 <eddiefantastic> hi
10:34 <eddiefantastic> I got to get back to work
10:34 <freako> ok
10:34 <eddiefantastic> good luck woth your ideas
10:35 <freako> cya , Thanks
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14:10 <freako> Is there Someone here who can help me a bit with hacking arma?
14:10 <freako> in windows i mean
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15:50 <z-man> Eeek, Windows.
15:50  * z-man runs away
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15:51 <kick52> you have to be fucking me
15:51 <kick52> i got kicked for being idle
15:51 <kick52> I WAS DEAD WTF
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16:29 <DrJoeTron> hot damn
16:29 <spidey> no u
16:30 <spidey> and  i'm hot =p
16:30 <DrJoeTron> those userbar.org sigbars are the worst things ever
16:30 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192534#192534 cept for mine, they're the coolest
16:30 <spidey> ccocompressing 1.26gb at 1.71mb/s on realtime priority is the worst thing ever
16:31 <spidey> talk about lag
16:31 <z-man> userbar user?
16:31 <spidey> if i can get this same ratio that the file was packed in
16:31 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah z-man
16:31 <spidey> i figure i can free up about 10-20gb of space
16:31 <DrJoeTron> i also am george clooney
16:32 <DrJoeTron> hop on the bandwagon
16:32 <DrJoeTron> only pick the coolest userbars
16:32 <spidey> liar
16:32 <spidey> because i'm his brother...
16:32 <DrJoeTron> unfortunately i picked the best ones
16:32 <z-man> darn, none left?
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16:32 <DrJoeTron> well i can share one if you want
16:32 <z-man> nah
16:33 <DrJoeTron> i know you were eyeing the Hey Arnold Watcher one.
16:33 <z-man> very suspiciously, yes :)
16:33 <DrJoeTron> if you want it you gotta give me your gameboy
16:33 <DrJoeTron> its only fair
16:34 <Lucifer> well, I was going to get a DrJoeTron userbar, because I'm a user of DrJoeTron, but decided their site didn't make enough sense (required too much work)
16:34 <z-man> No way, I'm not yet through super mario 2.
16:34 <DrJoeTron> damn it :(
16:34 <DrJoeTron> get those damn coins
16:34 <DrJoeTron> theres only 6 of them
16:35 <Lucifer> hey, x prize cup this weekend
16:35 <DrJoeTron> haha really?
16:36 <DrJoeTron> reminds me. has mom been on at all :I
16:38 <Lucifer> off and on
16:39 <Lucifer> http://www.space.com/xprizecup/  <--- they'll have web coverage again
16:41 <DrJoeTron> awesome
16:41 <Lucifer> http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=270707Armadil_module
16:42 <Lucifer> I won't be in here, though, I'll be there :)
16:42 <Lucifer> we're leaving tomorrow (me and the kids, my wife have to work)
16:42 <Lucifer> coming back monday
16:42 <DrJoeTron> im gonna probably miss it
16:42 <DrJoeTron> got a lot of stuff to do this weekend
16:47 <Lucifer> me too :)
16:47 <Lucifer> gotta drive to new mexico....
16:47 <Lucifer> hrm, I need to make sure my camera's got batteries this time, and probably dig up the extra memory card I have for it
16:49 <spidey> ummmm
16:49 <spidey> it's fucking cold outside >.>
16:49 <spidey> #weather 38256
16:49 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 50.7°F (9:53 AM CDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Rising).
16:50 <luke-jr> #weather 68127
16:50 <armabot> luke-jr: The current temperature in Omaha Millard, Nebraska is 42.8°F (9:30 AM CDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
16:50 <spidey> wow i have a 5.4second lag
16:50 <luke-jr> spidey: not likely?
16:51 <luke-jr> 3 second :þ
16:51 <spidey> luke because this compression hit a text file
16:52 <spidey> it'll go back to 5+ in a second =p
16:52 <spidey> 697mb of 1.26gb to 133.68mb so far =D
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16:55 <spidey> my servers hdd is dying :<
16:55 <spidey> it's been making a scratching sound like a wind storm all night
16:58 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
16:58 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 54.5°F (9:58 AM CDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady).
16:59 <Lucifer> they're forecasting 80s weather in New Mexico
17:05 <spidey> it's been raining all day >.>
17:05 <Lucifer> you're in the middle of a big green blob on weather.com
17:05 <spidey> lol
17:05 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60016
17:05 <luke-jr> spidey: your fault for not understanding what realtime is
17:06 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Error: timed out
17:06 <DrJoeTron> welp
17:06 <DrJoeTron> no weather for today i guess
17:06 <spidey> atleast it's not a big red blob
17:06 <Lucifer> #weather 60016
17:06 <spidey> luke-jr, i understand what it is
17:06 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 50.0°F (9:52 AM CDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
17:06 <Lucifer> I love you, armabot
17:06 <DrJoeTron> fuck off armabot
17:06 <spidey> LOL
17:06 <Lucifer> I hate you, DrJoeTron (hi there!)
17:06 <DrJoeTron> thats cool
17:06 <luke-jr> #weather 66666
17:06 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:07 <luke-jr> pwnt
17:07 <spidey> #weather 666
17:07 <armabot> spidey: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:07 <spidey> ?
17:07 <Lucifer> #weather Hell
17:07 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Baseline Lake, Pinckney, Michigan is 45.5°F (11:10 AM EDT on October 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Rising).
17:07 <Lucifer> pretty cold in Hell
17:07 <spidey> #weather heavan
17:07 <armabot> spidey: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:07 <luke-jr> …
17:07 <Lucifer> #weather heaven
17:07  * luke-jr smacks spidey
17:07 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:07 <spidey> owned
17:07 <DrJoeTron> geometry wars galaxies looks like alot of fun for the wii
17:07 <luke-jr> learn to speel
17:07 <spidey> u
17:08 <luke-jr> #weather nothingness
17:08 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:08 <Lucifer> #weather limbo
17:08 <luke-jr> o well
17:08 <armabot> Lucifer: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:08 <luke-jr> Lucifer: Limbo is part of Hell
17:08 <luke-jr> which you already asked it
17:08 <Lucifer> is not
17:08 <spidey> you spell you, u, oh, o, don't correct me =p
17:08 <Lucifer> yeah, spidey's right
17:08 <luke-jr> no he isn't
17:09 <luke-jr> u and o are widely accepted abbreviations
17:09 <Khalsa> #weather ornot?
17:09 <armabot> Khalsa: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
17:09 <spidey> luke-jr, if you use aol and it's 1998
17:09  * Khalsa is reminded of the simpsons episode wiht the spelling bee.
17:09 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah its 1998
17:09 <Lucifer> luke-jr: they're only widely accepted abbreviations by illiterate turds
17:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer: like u
17:10 <Lucifer> I haven't accepted them
17:10 <Lucifer> in fact, when do I abbreviate anything?
17:10 <spidey> you say civ =p
17:10 <Lucifer> I can type faster than the speed of light, I don't *need* to abbreviate easy words
17:10 <Khalsa> Your word is Weather, can you use it in a sentence? "little timmy didnt know wether or not the weather was going to trun foul"
17:11 <spidey> lol
17:11 <Lucifer> spidey: ah, see, civ *is* a widely accepted abbreviation by people that can read and write.  :)
17:11 <spidey> =p
17:11 <Khalsa> civ = honda civic?
17:11 <spidey> my brother had surgery today
17:11 <Lucifer> did they remove his criminal bone?
17:11 <spidey> hahaha
17:11 <spidey> gal?sp? bladder
17:12 <Lucifer> gall bladder
17:12 <spidey> yea,they removed it
17:12 <Lucifer> it's sometimes called the gaul bladder, because it's full of nasty things and otherwise useless, i.e. you can survive without it
17:12 <spidey> yea
17:12 <spidey> but doesn't it help digest food?
17:12 <Khalsa> just can't eat too many fried foods
17:12 <DrJoeTron> im glad the one time i join its not connect/disconnect messages here
17:12 <Lucifer> people without gaul bladders tend to fight to the very end
17:13 <spidey> heh
17:13 <Lucifer> damn, where's MrBougo when you're making french jokes?
17:15 <DrJoeTron> i hope updating my sound drvers fixes that horrible pop sound
17:15 <spidey> lol
17:15 <GodTodd> man...that kepler is such a liar
17:15 <GodTodd> was*
17:15 <spidey> sound is for noobs!
17:15 <Lucifer> uninstall the britney spears media player to get rid of that horrible pop sound
17:15 <spidey> haha
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17:15 <spidey> owned?
17:15 <Lucifer> bye joe
17:15 <Lucifer> GodTodd: what are you working on now?
17:16 <GodTodd> didn't know joe was such a kepler fan
17:16 <GodTodd> gravitation
17:16 <Lucifer> hey, I took my second statics test yesterday.  Finished in 25 minutes.
17:16 <GodTodd> that's either really good or really bad
17:16 <GodTodd> heh
17:16 <Lucifer> oh shit, kepler didn't put earth at the center of the universe, did he?
17:16 <Lucifer> well, I'm confident of all my answers.  I am concerned that if I finished it that quickly, I might have missed something obvious :)
17:16 <GodTodd> no, he lied and proved that the planets move relative to the sun
17:17 <Lucifer> or maybe I finished so quickly because I saw all the obvious stuff
17:17 <Lucifer> well, kepler's model allows us to send spacecraft to Saturn, and no other model gives us that...
17:17 <spidey> uha$0000.$$$  <---wtf? lol
17:17 <GodTodd> gesundheit
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17:17 <DrJoeTron> damn it!
17:17 <spidey> haha
17:18 <Lucifer> heh, one of the trip planner sites gave me the helpful bit of information that US-290 turns into US-290
17:18 <spidey> that's what you get for torrenting games joe
17:18 <Lucifer> DrJoeTron: shouldn't have said anything
17:18 <GodTodd> yeah but everyone knows it's an earth-centric setup
17:18 <Lucifer> GodTodd: then why can't the jesus freaks give us a mathematical model we can use to send spacecraft to Saturn?
17:18 <DrJoeTron> guess i should wait for the Wii/DS versions to come out
17:18 <spidey> lol
17:18 <GodTodd> because math is proof and faith needs no proof
17:19 <spidey> lol
17:19 <Lucifer> spacecraft don't navigate on faith!
17:19 <GodTodd> therefore math is anathema to faith
17:19 <Lucifer> are you actually working with kepler's equations?
17:19 <GodTodd> yeah
17:19 <GodTodd> his three laws
17:19 <Lucifer> we just kind of talked about what he did, but didn't do anything
17:19 <Lucifer> I'm expecting to go into his stuff in detail in orbital mechanics, later on :)
17:20 <GodTodd> we're doing that with einstein
17:20 <GodTodd> won't touch his stuff til physics 2
17:20 <Lucifer> yeah, same here for that, and I haven't taken physics 2 yet
17:20 <GodTodd> i'm just hoping i can pass physics 1 :/
17:21 <GodTodd> it's kicking my ass for some reason
17:21 <GodTodd> i think it's the teacher's style
17:21 <GodTodd> i think he hates white people
17:24 <GodTodd> hrmm...when you're given weight how do you find the torque acting on a meterstick when the fulcrum is placed at 35cm?
17:27 <Lucifer> weight is in kg?
17:28 <Lucifer> multiply it by 9.81 m/s^2 to get N, then multiply *that* by the perpendicular distance of the force and the point
17:28 <GodTodd> weight is in N
17:28 <Lucifer> you're taking the moment of force about a point
17:28 <GodTodd> weight is mg
17:28 <Lucifer> you can also use the formula (force)*(distance)* sin(angle between the two vectors)
17:29 <Lucifer> which requires you to know the angle between them :)
17:29 <Lucifer> this is what we spent the last two chapters doing in my statics class
17:29 <GodTodd> well...there's two forces...mg down on the long end
17:29 <GodTodd> and normal force (which is up on the other end, no?)
17:29 <Lucifer> the total moment is the sum of the individual moments
17:30 <Lucifer> ?
17:30 <Lucifer> wait, I have to take my kid to school right quick
17:30 <Lucifer> wel, don't wait, but I'll ask if you're still on it when I get back
17:30 <GodTodd> aight
17:33 <spidey> i wonder what would happen if i slid this memory bus slider from 400mhz to 1000mhz
17:35 <GodTodd> it would go from 400-1000?
17:35 <GodTodd> :P
17:35 <spidey> maybe
17:36 <GodTodd> millihertz aren't all that big tho ;)
17:36 <spidey> who said anything about milli?
17:36 <spidey> it's megahertz =p
17:36 <GodTodd> that's what "little m" means :P
17:37 <GodTodd> MHz is what you are referring to :P
17:37 <spidey> ....
17:37 <GodTodd> !!!!
17:38 <GodTodd> hrmm...torque is measured in N * m....so it should just be the force * the radius from the point of force to the fulcrum
17:38 <GodTodd> i think
17:39 <GodTodd> so with a weight of 1.96N and the end being .65m from the fulcrum that'd be...
17:39 <GodTodd> #math calc 1.96*.65
17:39 <armabot> GodTodd: 1.274
17:39 <GodTodd> maybe
17:40 <kick52> lolzor
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17:41 <spidey> hey Lucifer there's MrBougo !!
17:41 <MrBougo> hiho
17:41 <spidey> do it do it do it!!
17:41 <MrBougo> yea do it
17:41 <spidey> i'm not a ho :<
17:41 <MrBougo> you are
17:41 <GodTodd> #last --from Lucifer --nolimit
17:41 <armabot> GodTodd: [17:30:50] <Lucifer> wel, don't wait, but I'll ask if you're still on it when I get back, [17:30:39] <Lucifer> wait, I have to take my kid to school right quick, [17:30:10] <Lucifer> ?, [17:29:53] <Lucifer> the total moment is the sum of the individual moments, [17:29:29] <Lucifer> this is what we spent the last two chapters doing in my statics class, [17:29:11] <Lucifer> which requires you (11 more messages)
17:41 <MrBougo> a spider ho
17:42 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer --with MrBougo
17:42 <armabot> spidey: [17:13:23] <Lucifer> damn, where's MrBougo when you're making french jokes?
17:42 <MrBougo> you can do it spidey-ho
17:42 <MrBougo> just a little more effort and you will do it
17:42 <MrBougo> let me give you a hint
17:42 <MrBougo> link me to teh logz ftw!
17:43 <GodTodd> MrBougo: spidey isn't a ho, you have to get laid to be a ho
17:43 <GodTodd> ;)
17:43 <MrBougo> aw true
17:43 <spidey> ...
17:47 <MrBougo> i didnt get his fench joke
17:47 <MrBougo> and btw i'm belgian
17:47 <P4> hey MrBougo, do you know where the Lokeren is?
17:48 <MrBougo> course
17:48 <P4> i were there 2 years ago :) great town ^^
17:48 <MrBougo> it's Lokeren
17:48 <MrBougo> not the Lokeren
17:48 <P4> oh
17:48  * P4 sucks at English :)
17:48 <MrBougo> never been there though
17:48 <MrBougo> np P4  :)
17:48 <P4> is it far away from your home location?
17:48 <MrBougo> yup
17:49 <MrBougo> kind of
17:49 <P4> oh... what a pity... i got family there so i probably be there in future
17:49 <P4> we could smoke some stuff or drink some polish vodka :)
17:49 <MrBougo> i dont smoke nor drink
17:49 <MrBougo> :D
17:49 <MrBougo> it's not that far away actually
17:49 <P4> oh... you got to be sXe guy :P
17:49 <MrBougo> 40 kilometers
17:50 <MrBougo> sxe?
17:50 <P4> straight edge ;)
17:50 <Lucifer> GodTodd: still working on it?
17:50 <GodTodd> yeah
17:50 <MrBougo> ew, straight edge :p
17:50 <P4> :}
17:51 <Lucifer> ok, so what's the whole problem, then?  Got a picture convenient?
17:51 <GodTodd> i had to draw one
17:51 <Lucifer> MrBougo: Gaul, French, get it?
17:51 <MrBougo> yup
17:51 <Lucifer> it was a surrender monkey joke
17:51 <MrBougo> but i didnt get the sentence
17:51 <GodTodd> now...wtf is the normal force acting on the meterstick?
17:52 <Lucifer> is that what's acting?
17:52 <Lucifer> er
17:52 <GodTodd> it says weight and normal force
17:52 <Lucifer> is that what you're supposed to figure out?
17:52 <GodTodd> i have to diagram where the forces are acting
17:52 <Lucifer> what's the whole problem?  In words at least, copy and paste yadayada :)
17:52 <GodTodd> (it's a prelab thingee)
17:53 <GodTodd> sec and i'll get a c&p copy
17:56 <GodTodd> it's a pdf so it's taking a sec to open
17:56 <GodTodd> A meter-long ruler (meterstick) has a mass of 200 g giving it a weight of 1.96 N (nearly 1/2 pound).
17:56 <GodTodd> A pencil lying flat on a tabletop serves as a fulcrum and the if the ruler is placed with the 50-cm mark
17:56 <GodTodd> above the pencil the ruler is balanced -showing that the center of mass is at the center of the ruler.
17:56 <GodTodd> that's the setup
17:57 <GodTodd> so then i have to diagram the forces (normal and weight) acting on the ruler when the pencil is below the 35cm mark
17:58 <GodTodd> then they want to know if the torque is CW or CCW
17:58 <GodTodd> then the magnitude of the torque
18:01 <Lucifer> ah
18:02 <Lucifer> first mark where the meterstick's center of mass is and place it's force there (I assume you already did this)
18:02 <GodTodd> it says it's at 50cm
18:02 <Lucifer> then you take the moment of force about either the pencil or the tip of the stick that touches the table
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18:02 <Lucifer> diagram the forces (normal and weight) acting on the ruler when the pencil is below the 35cm mark  <--- it will no longer be balanced at this point
18:03 <GodTodd> right...but they're wanting the forces at the INSTANT it's released
18:03 <GodTodd> so, while still balanced, i'm assuming
18:03 <Lucifer> ?  that's not what I read in your copy and paste
18:04 <Lucifer> not sure it matters either, since a pencil isn't very thick, so the angle isn't going to be very large :)
18:04 <GodTodd> 1) (a) Draw a diagram showing the ruler placed horizontally on the pencil with the ruler's 35-cm mark
18:04 <GodTodd>    above the pencil. Draw vectors showing the two forces that act on the ruler (weight and normal force)
18:04 <GodTodd>    at the INSTANT it is released (we realize, of course, that the ruler will quickly be rotationally
18:04 <GodTodd>    accelerated by the net torque).
18:04 <Lucifer> aha, ok
18:04 <Lucifer> so draw it that way and take the moment of force about the pencil
18:04 <GodTodd> but where is the normal force acting?
18:04 <Lucifer> put the force of the stick at the center of mass still (50 cm)
18:04 <Lucifer> the normal force where the pencil is?
18:05 <GodTodd> the normal force acting on the ruler
18:05 <Lucifer> the normal force acting on the ruler is acted by which body?
18:05 <Lucifer> (here's a hint: it's the only body the ruler is touching!  :)  )
18:05 <GodTodd> the pencil, i'm assuming
18:05 <GodTodd> because it'll push up
18:06 <Lucifer> and it has to be perpendicular to the surface, where the surface is the pencil's surface
18:06 <Lucifer> so a perfectly round pencil will push it's normal force perpendicular to the ruler, but on a line from it's center
18:06 <GodTodd> so, the normal force is acting up from 35cm
18:06 <Lucifer> a hexagonal pencil (I'm assuming that's what they assume) will act like a table where the force will push straight up
18:07 <Lucifer> but see, when you take the moment about the pencil, that force disappears and you only have the weight of the stick to worry about
18:07 <GodTodd> right
18:07 <GodTodd> so how do i take the moment about the pencil?
18:07 <Lucifer> center of mass of the stick is at 50cm?
18:07 <GodTodd> right
18:07 <Lucifer> pencil is at 35?
18:07 <GodTodd> ahhh...so 1.96*15?
18:07 <Lucifer> 50-35 gives r in the formula M = F*d
18:07 <Lucifer> er, d
18:08 <GodTodd> #math calc 1.96*15
18:08 <armabot> GodTodd: 29.4
18:08 <Lucifer> yep, then plug in the F, which you said was 1.96, right?
18:08 <GodTodd> er
18:08 <GodTodd> .15
18:08 <GodTodd> #math calc 1.96*.15
18:08 <armabot> GodTodd: 0.294
18:08 <GodTodd> so....294 Newton meters
18:08 <GodTodd> that's .294
18:08 <GodTodd> heh
18:08 <Lucifer> haha
18:09 <Lucifer> I don't know if we can determine the normal force acting on the stick by the pencil
18:09 <Lucifer> I suppose we could, the problem is, it's not in equilibrium, so there's nothing to equate it to
18:10 <GodTodd> nah...don't need it except to show it on the drawring
18:10 <Lucifer> maybe if I think hard enough about the rotational formulas I'll come up with a solution
18:10 <GodTodd> now...
18:10 <GodTodd> 2) If a 100 gram mass is correctly placed on the above ruler, the ruler + 100g system will remain
18:10 <GodTodd>    balanced (with the 35-cm mark above the pencil and the ruler horizontal). Such a system is in
18:10 <GodTodd>    equilibrium since the forces and torques are balanced and the acceleration is zero.
18:10 <Lucifer> where do you put the mass?
18:11 <GodTodd> yep
18:11 <GodTodd> that's the question
18:11 <GodTodd> :)
18:11 <Lucifer> F*d + F*d = 0
18:11 <Lucifer> :)
18:11 <GodTodd> at least part d of it
18:11 <Lucifer> you want a net moment of force equal to 0 to balance it
18:11 <Lucifer> so, you have the force of the 100 gram mass by multiplying it by little g
18:11 <Lucifer> you have the moment of the stick, plug in and solve for d :)
18:12 <Lucifer> maybe I should be clearer
18:12 <epsy> ...
18:12 <Lucifer> F*d(stick) + F*d(mass) = 0
18:12 <Lucifer> still taking the moment about the pencil so we don't have to figure out the normal force there
18:12 <Lucifer> you'll want to make sure to declare an axis, too
18:13 <GodTodd> now, the d would be from the fulcrum, right?
18:13 <Lucifer> er, I don't understand words like fulcrum
18:13 <Lucifer> :)
18:13 <GodTodd> so, when i get 30 cm that's 30cm from the pencil
18:13 <GodTodd> so you'd put it at 5 cm
18:13 <Lucifer> not being a smart-ass, we never talked about levers and fulcrums, just moments of force
18:13 <Lucifer> right
18:13 <GodTodd> k
18:14 <Lucifer> what you're doing is taking the sums of the moments about the pencil, and since you want the system to be balanced, then the sums of the moments about the pencil have to equal 0
18:14 <Lucifer> if they don't, then the stick will rotate
18:14 <Lucifer> one way or the other, of course :)
18:14 <GodTodd> right
18:14 <Lucifer> (moments of force, in case I haven't said that enough already, there are other moments you can take besidse moments of force :)  )
18:15 <GodTodd> yep
18:15 <GodTodd> the way you explained it makes way more sense than the dude teaching it to me :/
18:16 <Lucifer> that's probably why we don't use words like fulcrum and lever in the classes I've taken :)
18:16 <GodTodd> anywho...i gotsta piss and then see if i can get my physics lab done in less than the alotted 3 hours
18:16 <Lucifer> heh, ko
18:17 <Lucifer> I've got to clean out my car, change the oil, wash the winders, etc
18:17 <GodTodd> tanks fer da help :)
18:29 <Lucifer> anytime :)
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19:25 <spidey> that luke-jr guy
19:25 <spidey> you know him?
19:25 <spidey> i heard he's a satanist
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19:59 <Lucifer> luke-jr loves the devil
20:10 <epsy> i need log excerpts
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20:10 <epsy> i need a player which goes into spec mode :p
20:11 <Lucifer> *phew*
20:11 <Lucifer> first conference today isn't until 3pm
20:11 <epsy> heh
20:11 <Lucifer> there may yet be time for the run to the grocery store
20:12 <epsy> \[0\] (:({$regexpdefs['nick']}) (:left the (game)|left ({$regexpdefs['teamname']}))|(Spectator) ({$regexpdefs['nick']}) left)\.$
20:12 <epsy> am i right ?
20:12 <epsy> err, except for the « Spectator left » part :p
20:12 <MrBougo> heh
20:13 <MrBougo> hehe
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22:02 <kick52> what the fucking shit
22:02 <kick52> i got kicked out of a CTF game for NO REASON WHATSOEVER
22:03 <kick52> i join (unspawned), a poll is cast, i spawn, i get kicked
22:03 <P4> maybe they plaid some inclan tourney
22:03 <P4> what server?
22:03 <kick52> ctf shooting wild west
22:04 <kick52> didn't say it was a clan server
22:04 <P4> #sd ctf shooting
22:04 <armabot> P4: Wild West  =CTF Shooting=: Players (5/10): 2+2=5!, L2K|@DeMo@, Player 1, |NR|*ROC*| root, |ROC|OSSY
22:04 <P4> dunno why :P
22:04 <kick52> so no i can't play ctf for 30 mins
22:05 <kick52> fuck that shit.
22:05 <kick52> i feel like ban-evading and being an asshole. it is right
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22:08 <kick52_> they have some problem with my name (???)
22:08 <kick52_> i join, and someone says "do that again and i will kick you"
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23:05 <Lucifer> kick52: do that again and I will kick you
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23:06 <kick52> Lucifer: heh?
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23:07 <kick52> oh
23:07 <kick52> heh
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23:54 <ct|kyle> Lucifer:

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