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Log from 2007-10-23:
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03:01 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
03:01 <GodTodd> #ping
03:02 <armabot> pong
03:02 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 53.1°F (8:05 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening...
04:05 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
04:05 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 52.9°F (9:07 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 6 PM CDT this afternoon...
04:06 <Lucifer> it's fucking cold here!
04:06 <Lucifer> warm where you are, though
04:06 <GodTodd> #ping
04:06 <armabot> pong
04:06 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:06 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 53.1°F (9:09 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening...
04:06 <GodTodd> .2 degrees different :P
04:06 <GodTodd> the wind is the killer
04:15 <spidey_> #weather 38256
04:15 <armabot> spidey_: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 64.4°F (9:19 PM CDT on October 22, 2007). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady).
04:16 <spidey_> what's100% humidity mean?
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04:31 <GodTodd> means the air can hold no more water
04:32 <GodTodd> in layman's terms...pretty much it means rain ;)
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04:45 <Lucifer> man, newsforge has totally changed
04:45 <Lucifer> still essentially the same stuff, but different
04:46 <Lucifer> er, I was going to give spidey a detailed answer, but now I'm not
04:46 <Lucifer> GodTodd: did you work out the upgrade thing?
04:48 <GodTodd> nah...it was pretty borked so i'm doing different shit with that machine
04:49 <GodTodd> doing the ubuntu with a kde overlay like this laptop is
04:50 <GodTodd> did yours work more or less to plan?
04:51 <Lucifer> I had to remove the pyqt that I built, and then rerun apt-get so it could finish installing the stuff that was blocked
04:51 <Lucifer> haven't done the desktop yet, just the server and my laptop
04:51 <Lucifer> looking to see if I can find someone real quick that wants xprizecup coverage :)
04:51 <GodTodd> heh
04:52 <Lucifer> so I just emailed carmack to see if they're using any Free software, and if so, can he give me a few minutes at the cup to talk about it?  ;)
04:52 <Lucifer> I'm definitely going, my wife may stay home if she's scheduled to work
04:52 <Lucifer> so I may be going with my kids in my car (which I'd kind of prefer, but my wife doesn't fit in the car with the kids, which mostly sucks)
04:52 <GodTodd> ah
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04:54 <spidey> luke,...i am your father!
04:54 <GodTodd> i think you mean "daddy"
04:54 <GodTodd> :D
04:54 <spidey> lol
04:54 <Lucifer> luke: who's your daddy?
04:54 <Lucifer> hey, he's not here
04:54 <Lucifer> party!
04:54 <spidey> LOL
04:54 <GodTodd> nope, he has another rugrat to begin brainwashing
04:54 <Lucifer> spidey: relative humidity is an absurd number
04:54 <spidey> ?
04:55 <Lucifer> it's as godtodd says, it's a percentage of how much total water the air can hold in gaseous form
04:55 <Lucifer> as it approaches 100%, the air gets misty
04:55 <spidey> so, we have lakes in the air here?
04:55 <Lucifer> pretty much, yeah
04:55 <Lucifer> here's why it's absurd:
04:55 <Lucifer> at sea level, the air is very dense, right?
04:55 <spidey> ya
04:55 <Lucifer> and there's the weight of all the air above it pushing down, so it's also high pressure (comparably)
04:56 <Lucifer> so it can hold more water, measured by mass, than air that's in, say, denver, which has an elevation of a mile
04:56 <Lucifer> so 50% humidity at sea level means something totally different than 50% in Denver
04:56 <spidey> hm
04:56 <Lucifer> the more water you have in the atmosphere, the more heat can be stored in the atmosphere
04:57 <spidey> glad i'm not a weather man, cause that sounds forgein
04:57 <Lucifer> so saying it's 90 degrees and 95% relative humidity says very little about how hot it actually feels (which is the heat index)
04:57 <Lucifer> but if you said it's 90 degrees and there's 100kg/m^3 density of the air, that says something much more exact
04:58 <spidey> ah
04:59 <Lucifer> so when I go to new mexico this weekend, if they say it's 95% humidity, I'm going to blow it off
04:59 <Lucifer> I'll be 3000 feet higher than I normally live, and 95% humidity in new mexico is a dry day in central texas
05:02 <spidey> ic
05:06 <GodTodd> yeah NM is friggen dry
05:06 <GodTodd> my skin always peels there :/
05:10 <spidey> i love daemon tools
05:11 <spidey> i made iso's of all the games i play that need cd's and mounted them all with daemon tools =D
05:12 <Lucifer> ok, here's hoping geek.com pays freelance writers
05:12 <Lucifer> hell, if they do, I've probably got all sorts of content for them and could be a regular contributor
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05:41 <ct|kyle> Durka__: oi
05:45 <Lucifer> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=192496#192496  <-- this is the worst joke I've ever told in the arma community
05:45 <Lucifer> it's not the worst joke I've ever told, I'm sure
05:46 <ct|kyle> it is a joke?
05:48 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: can CT append PTA to our AFL team. aka replace one of our null players with him?
05:48 <Lucifer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Nun
05:48 <Lucifer> jesus, can any of the teams get it together?  Everyone wants to keep adding players!
05:48 <Lucifer> is PTA playing on any other teams?
05:49 <Lucifer> (I feel dumb asking that question, btw)
05:49 <ct|kyle> not that i know of
05:50 <ct|kyle> CT is trying to get organized. we did not even know if we were playing till the last minute
05:51 <Lucifer> heh, ok.  I dont' care if PTA joins, I'll tell durka
05:51 <Lucifer> Durka__: PTA is joining CT :)
05:51 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that is, as long as he's not on any other teams ;)
05:52 <ct|kyle> should not be.
05:58 <Durka__> Lucifer: do you want access to edit the rosters?
05:58 <Lucifer> Durka__: ummm, not sure how much it matters.  If it's a pain for you, then sure, but I can't promise to do more than tell you about a change anyway :)
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06:00 <Durka__> Lucifer: read my email
06:00 <Lucifer> yes, that's what we agreed about the playoffs
06:01 <Durka__> mkay :)
06:01 <ct|kyle> Durka__: hopefully that message is fully implemented for next week
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06:01 <Durka__> heh
06:01 <Durka__> i like the idea
06:01 <Durka__> have you showed/told luci?
06:01 <ct|kyle> nope
06:01 <Durka__> btw, I'll just add PTA
06:01 <Durka__> u have 10
06:01 <Durka__> with him makes 11, so u can still add one more
06:02 <Lucifer> kyle never talks to me, he says I abuse him too much
06:02 <ct|kyle> yup
06:02 <Durka__> xD
06:02 <ct|kyle> to both Durka__ and Lucifer
06:02 <ct|kyle> :D
06:02 <Lucifer> :)
06:03 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: well there is the webpage that talks to ct mayhem right now.
06:03 <Durka__> you type in what u want to say
06:03 <Durka__> it shows: Grid name
06:03 <Durka__> and message
06:03 <Durka__> u type it in and hit send
06:03 <Durka__> and in the server it shows
06:03 <Durka__> Admin: Durka: ZOMG GUYS LET ME IN THE SERVER, ITS LOCKED!
06:04 <ct|kyle> so if a player gets thee late one could say let me in
06:04 <ct|kyle> and Durka__ we need to set up a password for this weeks match
06:04 <Durka__> well
06:04 <Durka__> i won't be there
06:04 <Durka__> so don't worry about me :P
06:05 <ct|kyle> so you can tell the rest of the team
06:06 <Durka__> haha Lucifer
06:06 <Durka__> remember u wanted me to make an upload thingee?
06:06 <Lucifer> yeah
06:06 <Lucifer> did you make one?
06:06 <Durka__> well i made it a few weeks ago
06:06 <Durka__> i mean
06:06 <Durka__> it works well but 2 things
06:06 <Durka__> 1. It takes a while to upload sometimes
06:06 <Durka__> and
06:07 <Durka__> 2. u can overwrite files
06:07 <Durka__> like if someone uploaded match2.png
06:07 <Durka__> then someone else uploads a different match2.png
06:07 <Durka__> the 1st one is erased
06:07 <ct|kyle> shh me would never do that
06:07 <Lucifer> you need to rename it to something guaranteed unique, and store the original name in the database
06:07 <Durka__> lol
06:08 <Durka__> this isn't using a database
06:08 <Lucifer> if you don't want to do that, you can do something else, but it's a little trickier
06:08 <Durka__> well
06:08 <Lucifer> how are you associating files with games?
06:08 <Durka__> u can see how it is right now
06:08 <Durka__> first, really quick
06:08 <Durka__> http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3361/snapshot20071022210922gi3.png
06:08 <Durka__> that's the file (roster), it's messy :P
06:08 <ct|kyle> check for file in directory if file is in directory append something to it
06:08 <Durka__> are u ok with editing that?
06:08 <Durka__> kylez0rz, how i do dat?
06:09 <Durka__> for now: http://durkas.info/afl/results.php?mode=upload
06:09 <Lucifer> sure, but I won't promise to like it
06:09  * GodTodd smacks Lucifer for making him read that...
06:09 <ct|kyle> umm i had the code somewhere
06:09 <Lucifer> I can sling html like there's no tomorrow, but it's like scrubbing the bathtub
06:09 <Lucifer> GodTodd: :)
06:09 <Lucifer> payback for the third and short joke
06:09 <GodTodd> haha
06:10 <GodTodd> you know when a joke is so bad that it doesn't even deserve a rimshot? :P
06:10 <Lucifer> Durka__: an alternative is to check if the file exists under the name, and if so, just rename it
06:10 <GodTodd> thing is...i'm not sure many on the forums will get that joke ;)
06:10 <Durka__> yea, or append a random # on to it or something
06:11 <Lucifer> if you absolutely insist on preserving the name someone else gave it, then create a uniquely named directory and put it there, where it won't clash with the original
06:11 <Durka__> test how long it takes to uplaod
06:11 <Durka__> especially recordings (compressed please :D )
06:11 <Lucifer> I like to use md5 hashes that include a timestamp and a random number
06:11 <Durka__> u can only upload certain extentions
06:11 <Durka__> just the major compressed file formats and png
06:12 <Lucifer> pdf?
06:12 <ct|kyle> Durka__: look at how to readdir()
06:12 <Lucifer> did you hack this together by hand?
06:12 <Durka__> i modified some script
06:13 <Durka__> the most useful part i added was that it links u to the image and stuff
06:13 <Lucifer> it would be nice if you could get one of those ajax project bars.  I decided to test it with a 26MB pdf file
06:13 <Durka__> like here's the completion
06:13 <Lucifer> if it rejects the pdf file, then I'll have to go through the whole upload to find out it was rejected ;/
06:13 <Lucifer> lemme cut that off and just use an image
06:13 <Durka__> http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5905/snapshot20071022211713sx7.png
06:14 <Lucifer> er, it's not showing me the file location
06:14 <Lucifer> it's getting cutoff
06:14 <Durka__> i'm using iframe i think
06:14 <Durka__> just click it
06:14 <Durka__> it should open up in a new window
06:15 <ct|kyle> just remember to add PTA  i gtg
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06:15 <Durka__> already did ^
06:15 <Lucifer> it's not opening up in a new window
06:15 <Durka__> oO
06:15 <Lucifer> no wait, that's not what I mean
06:15 <Durka__> (let's just abandone this idea)
06:15 <Lucifer> I just uploaded a screenshot :)
06:17 <Lucifer> ah, I see what happened
06:17 <Lucifer> it's the iframe
06:17 <Lucifer> http://durkas.info/afl/upload/files/brokeuploader.png
06:18 <Durka__> word
06:18 <Durka__> why's it doing that?
06:18 <Lucifer> beats me
06:18 <Lucifer> try doing it without the iframe :)
06:18 <Durka__> meh
06:18 <Durka__> in a bit
06:19 <Durka__> respond to my /msg first
06:19 <Lucifer> ?  I didn't get a /msg
06:19 <Durka__> meh
06:19 <Lucifer> you need to identify :)
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06:23 <Lucifer> http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2221812620071023
06:23 <Lucifer> what a fucking psycho
06:30 <Durka__> Lucifer: http://durkas.info/afl/private
06:31 <Durka__> does it work?
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06:31 <spidey> ...
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06:32 <Durka__> oO
06:32 <epsy> pfff
06:32 <Durka__> :O :)
06:32 <epsy> :d
06:36 <Durka__> Lucifer: ?
06:37 <GodTodd> man....that's what passes for a speedy trial now?
06:38 <Lucifer> heh
06:38 <Lucifer> Durka__: ?
06:39 <Lucifer> Durka__: works
06:39 <Lucifer> sorry, I stepped out for a smoke
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06:40 <Lucifer> GodTodd: her arraignment is the exercise of her constitutional right to a speedy trial
06:41 <Lucifer> you can wave that right to some extent, afaik, for scheduling purposes.  Also, the constitution doesn't specify "speedy", I believe, its intent is that you're not kept in jail for a long period without judicial review
06:41 <Lucifer> because we could lock you up and throw away the key knowing you'd be acquitted by just never charging you :)
06:43 <Gursikh> good thing we can just call you a terrorist now and do that, no need for that pesky "constitution" thing
06:44 <Lucifer> why people seem to think the constitution only protects citizens of the US is something I just don't get
06:44 <Lucifer> I don't recall it saying it only applies to US citizens accused of crimes
06:44 <Lucifer> of course, it does say that habeous corpus can be suspended, which is what the patriot act does for some people (so it probably is legal, really)
06:44 <Gursikh> Shutup you damn terrorist
06:45 <Gursikh> >.<
06:45 <Lucifer> kiss my ass you pinko conservative earth-killer
06:47 <Gursikh> Damn tree-hugger, why dont you go support your damn JEEE-had and leave me alone?
06:47 <Gursikh> anyways
06:48 <Gursikh> On a serious note, please alert any of your Brown or Muslim friends to be careful this week, especiialy if they are college students
06:48 <Lucifer> why?
06:49 <Gursikh> It's apparently "islamo-fascism" week
06:49 <Lucifer> (my immediate supervisor at work is muslim)
06:49 <Gursikh> http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/49/a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/
06:50 <Gursikh> and shit's supposed to be going down accross the country, violence and hate crimes are to be expected
06:51 <Lucifer> er, is that a joke site?
06:51 <Gursikh> no, it's real
06:52 <Gursikh> and events have been confirmed at many schools not on that list
06:52 <Gursikh> the events themselves are supposed to be protests
06:52 <Gursikh> but anytime you have something like this you _ALWAYS_ get the group of rednecks who get drunk and go beat the shit out of some random dark-skinned person(s)
06:53 <Lucifer> true dat
06:53 <Lucifer> I'm willing to bet my school's pretty safe, though
06:53 <Lucifer> :)
06:53 <GodTodd> not in texas...we don't gots no rednecks in these here parts
06:53 <GodTodd> ;)
06:53 <Lucifer> well, I am in the liberal heart of texas
06:54 <Lucifer> and most of the kids I've talked to at school, particularly Iraq veterans, are now opposed to the war on terror
06:54 <Gursikh> GodTodd: yeah lemme tell you....
06:54 <Lucifer> besides, the one kid I know of that migt actually be muslim needs to get the shit kicked out of him :)
06:54 <GodTodd> war on terror....heh....that's about as effective as the war on drugs
06:55 <Lucifer> (besides my supervisor, who is a very nice lady, but being Indian, few know her actual religion.  I only know it via hearsay, so it could be wrong)
06:55 <Lucifer> hey, lots of bureacrats have made their careers on the war on drugs, so it's been very effective
06:55 <Gursikh> Indian generally means not-muslim
06:55 <GodTodd> heh
06:55 <Lucifer> oh wait, you thought the point was to defeat drugs, but it was really part of reagan's employment plan
06:56 <GodTodd> indians are generally hindu, no?
06:56 <Lucifer> Gursikh: that's true, but muslims are a significant minority in india
06:56 <Gursikh> <---- From India
06:56 <Lucifer> she wears the thing on her head, and I heard she was fasting for the month
06:57 <Lucifer> and apparently she went into some detail about it with the geology teacher that is my sole source of information
06:57 <Gursikh> ah, then she must be muslim >.<
06:57 <Lucifer> see, I don't care (as you might expect), but he seems to be getting a kick out of it.  I guess he's never known a muslim before
06:57 <GodTodd> heh
06:58 <GodTodd> that strikes me as sad
06:58 <Lucifer> the kid I mentioned, though, is bengali, and uses that as the reason my statics class is so hard (because the teacher's Indian)
06:58 <Lucifer> I have a don't ask, don't tell policy about people's religions
06:58 <GodTodd> same
06:58  * Gursikh got lost in Lucifer's previous statement
06:58 <Lucifer> ah, the bengali kid says the bengalis hate indians and indians hate bengalis, that's how it's always been, that's how it always will be
06:59 <Lucifer> indians hate teaching bengalis, etc.
06:59 <Gursikh> oh, meh
06:59 <Lucifer> so he says that the reason he's having such a hard time in the class is because the teacher is indian and doesn't want to teach him
06:59 <Gursikh> He's just retarded most likely
06:59 <Gursikh> well, most assuradly really
06:59 <Lucifer> he's actually a smart guy, he's just got this little racism thing going for no good reason
06:59 <GodTodd> is there a good reason?
06:59 <Lucifer> I told him he's in america now, and we have to love all americans and hate all non-americans, and since he and the teacher are american now...
07:00 <Lucifer> GodTodd: not that I can see.  :)
07:00 <GodTodd> wait...you mean to tell me that non-white people can be racist?
07:00 <GodTodd> fucking liar
07:00 <GodTodd> :)
07:00 <Lucifer> the teacher's one of those really sweet old men, he's like the stereotypical indian engineering teacher who really wants everyone to learn the stuff
07:01 <Lucifer> it'd be different if he were a prick, then the bengali kid might have something, you know?
07:01 <GodTodd> nah...he might have something if he were a prick *only to that student*
07:02 <Lucifer> well, in class I don't see anything
07:02 <Lucifer> but there could be some cultural non-verbal/non-vocal communication going on that i don't understand
07:02 <Lucifer> I doubt it, though.  The teacher's a really nice guy
07:02 <Lucifer> the kid refuses to see him in his office, he's already decided the teacher won't help him
07:02 <Gursikh> noob
07:03 <Lucifer> I think he's wrong, the teacher's help is going to be as good as it is in class, but the teacher's lecturing style is a different discussion :)
07:03 <GodTodd> at least the bengali kid has picked up on the true meaning of americanism....if at first you don't succeed, find the first reason that makes it not your fault and jump on it
07:03 <GodTodd> :)
07:03 <Gursikh> he could totally play the "OMG your from india? I'm from near-there too! LOVE ME!"
07:03 <Gursikh> card
07:03 <Lucifer> he could, heh
07:04 <Lucifer> there's a croatian girl in the physics class I work in, and the teacher's romanian, so she tried to play some racist card too
07:04 <GodTodd> heh
07:04 <Lucifer> but she's apparently either a little smarter than the bengalli kid, or her hatred doesn't run as deep, because she changed her mind quickly
07:05 <Lucifer> I'd never heard of croatians hating romanians, thought it was weird
07:05 <GodTodd> probably a more recent thing
07:05 <Lucifer> so, my wife's step-mother says I don't have any exposure to people from other cultures besides the internet, and I think she's an idiot
07:05 <Lucifer> :)
07:05 <GodTodd> bah...no better place for it than a college campus
07:07 <GodTodd> my physics lab group consists of two white dudes, an african and an oriental dude
07:07 <Lucifer> I wonder what she'll do if she finds out i have to actively fight myself to avoid turning against white people in general ;)
07:07 <GodTodd> :)
07:07 <Gursikh> better to just stop fighting it and see how that goes over >_>
07:07 <Lucifer> just white americans, really
07:07 <GodTodd> no
07:07 <GodTodd> pale skin == bad
07:07 <GodTodd> :D
07:08 <Lucifer> Gursikh: since "white american" historically meant "northern european descent", I'm fairly safe
07:08 <Lucifer> I can claim mediterranean descent and ignore the german quarter that's several generations removed anyway
07:08 <GodTodd> it's because evil is dark colored and so the paler the skin the more the person lets the evil out against society
07:09 <Lucifer> but I'd probably have to kill my wife and kids, and I don't want to do that
07:09 <GodTodd> the darker the skin the more the person is protecting society from innate human evil by keeping it bottled up
07:09 <Lucifer> sure the dark skin isn't just scarring from fighting evil?
07:10 <GodTodd> we could work that in too, sure
07:10 <GodTodd> :)
07:10 <Lucifer> hey, that asian dude that works in the testing center is still there
07:10 <Lucifer> I hadn't seen him since last spring, which now that I think about it isn't that unusual, but i thought he'd quit
07:11 <Lucifer> so i got to chat with hiim a bit today
07:11 <GodTodd> i can prove it too....KKK == evil...Aryan Brotherhood or whatever the fuck they're called == evil
07:11 <GodTodd> see?
07:11 <GodTodd> :D
07:11 <Lucifer> hey, I'm not arguing it :)
07:11 <GodTodd> :)
07:11 <Lucifer> I took my chem test in 20 minutes and he said "You're already finished?"  I said "It's only chemistry"
07:11 <Lucifer> he smiled at me :)
07:12  * Gursikh envisions Lucifer "fluttering" at that smile
07:12 <Lucifer> man, he's old too
07:12 <Lucifer> why are all the nice people at school old, and all hte young people are mean?
07:13 <Lucifer> (and white, mean people are always white for some reason)
07:14 <GodTodd> white, mean people couldn't really be any other color
07:14 <GodTodd> :P
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07:14 <Lucifer> speaking of mean white people, hi MrBougo (hi there!)
07:15 <GodTodd> and we need to bomb belgium next...
07:15 <MrBougo> hello
07:15 <MrBougo> i agree GodTodd
07:15 <GodTodd> kill them and take their stuff
07:15 <Gursikh> GodTodd: sorry, our "countries to be bombed" list is allready reaching capacity, try again in 6 months when we've bombed the next one in the run-up to the election
07:15 <Lucifer> he says that because he knows that half of our bombs will have beer in them
07:15 <Lucifer> part of our humanitarian ideals
07:16 <MrBougo> so belgium will need bomb us, so the damn flemishes and the damn walloons will be FORCED to unite
07:16 <GodTodd> haha
07:16 <MrBougo> err wait
07:16 <MrBougo> what the hell is wrong with me
07:16 <MrBougo> i dont even reember typing this
07:16 <Lucifer> cApiTAliZAtIoN is GoOd
07:16 <GodTodd> we're still working on that
07:16 <MrBougo> i meant "you need to bomb belgium"
07:17 <Lucifer> just say you're buying a nuclear reactor from Russia and the bombs will start production
07:17 <Lucifer> about when they're finished, the President will sweet-talk congress into approving the budget for it
07:17 <GodTodd> Gursikh: is belgium at least on the way to one of the countries high on the list?
07:17 <GodTodd> you know...drop one as we pass by?
07:17 <Lucifer> too bad libya's not on the list anymore
07:18 <Gursikh> GodTodd: dunno the ordering, just know it's full
07:18 <GodTodd> bah
07:18 <Gursikh> GodTodd: i'm sure you can get a sympathetic ear in congress though
07:18 <GodTodd> it's *never* full
07:18 <GodTodd> we're american, dammit
07:18 <Lucifer> yeah, just tell the GOP that they speak Freedom in belgium
07:18 <GodTodd> :)
07:18 <Gursikh> lol
07:19 <GodTodd> bombing people is our whole identity
07:19 <GodTodd> we can't let that go
07:19 <GodTodd> :)
07:19 <Lucifer> yeah, if we quit bombing people, we'd have to actually train our foot soldiers
07:19 <Lucifer> (not showing any air force snobbery, am I?)
07:20 <GodTodd> no...if we quit bombing people we'd have to fix all the shit going down the drain at home
07:20 <Lucifer> we could fix all that shit and bomb people at the same time, the solution's obvious
07:20 <Lucifer> bomb all the blue states
07:21 <GodTodd> heh
07:21 <Lucifer> problem goes away when the only people talking about them have been blasted into a bazillion pieces :)
07:22 <GodTodd> i just wonder if all these anti-war protesters realize that we're in too deep for a speedy withdrawal from iraq...otherwise the Dems would be jumping all over it with their "withdrawal initiatives"
07:22 <Lucifer> I think we should stick it out and get new leadership to run it
07:22 <Lucifer> starting from the top, of course
07:22 <Lucifer> election year's coming
07:23 <GodTodd> i don't think we should still be there either, but i'm realistic about the time it'll take to get the hell out of dodge no matter who's in charge
07:23 <Lucifer> if iraq were the only issue coming up, I think I'd pick McCain, to be honest
07:23 <GodTodd> he's too fucking senile for my blood
07:23 <Lucifer> well, I don't think the war is unwinnable in general, just that it's unwinnable by the bush administration
07:23 <Lucifer> well, iraq's not the only issue coming up, and something tells me giulani's going to win the vote
07:23 <GodTodd> nothing is winnable by the bush admin
07:24 <Lucifer> so I'm probably going to cast mine for clinton
07:24 <GodTodd> yeah...i think giuliani will do it
07:24 <GodTodd> i refuse to vote for Billary
07:24 <Lucifer> I made sure my daughter was well aware that giulani wants to make saturday a school day :)
07:24 <Lucifer> she doesn't want him to win either
07:25 <Lucifer> and she likes girls, so she wants hillary to win
07:25 <GodTodd> i'm not a partisan type so i'm not really paying attention yet...i'll form better opinions after the primaries
07:25 <Lucifer> hell, I'd vote for al gore at this point just to keep the GOP out of that fucking office
07:25 <GodTodd> my govt teacher is predicting al to make a run
07:25 <Lucifer> I'm watching both sides
07:25 <Lucifer> this is the year for him to do it
07:26 <GodTodd> if al runs i think he'd win
07:26 <Lucifer> lots of people that might get sucked into voting GOP because they hate hillary might well vote for gore
07:26 <GodTodd> again
07:26 <GodTodd> that is
07:26 <Lucifer> heh
07:26 <Lucifer> but see, after his first term of actually serving, the GOP will point out he can't run for a second term because he already won 2 terms
07:26  * GodTodd is not a fan of the current electoral college system :)
07:27  * Lucifer is not a fan of presidents being appointed by the SCOTUS
07:27 <Gursikh> llol
07:27 <GodTodd> nah...they wouldn't say that because then they'd have to admit that dubya lost
07:27 <Lucifer> they're safe to admit that after he's served his two terms
07:27 <Gursikh> lol
07:28 <GodTodd> and, actually, i think it's that you cannot *serve* more than two terms...you can keep getting elected all you want as long as you turn it down
07:28 <GodTodd> :)
07:29 <Lucifer> eh?  which amendment is it?
07:29 <GodTodd> er...not sure off the top
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07:29 <MrBougo> bomb the sea!
07:30 <Lucifer> No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice
07:30 <Lucifer> 22nd amendment
07:30 <MrBougo> kill these lazy fishes, they dont mind about you
07:30 <Lucifer> MrBougo: that's actually a safe way to use nukes in freeciv
07:30 <MrBougo> aw :(
07:30 <Lucifer> wait, bush can run again since he wasn't elected the first time
07:30 <MrBougo> that 22ns amendment is a good thing
07:30 <MrBougo> wasnt he?
07:30 <Lucifer> no
07:30 <MrBougo> err wtf?
07:31 <Lucifer> elections imply the will of the people was met
07:31 <Lucifer> the people chose al gore, the supreme court chose bush
07:31 <Lucifer> in fact, after the supreme court ruled on the case, al gore asked them to recount their votes
07:32 <GodTodd> nope it is elected...bah
07:32 <MrBougo> hehe pwnt
07:32 <Lucifer> and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once  <--- doesn't this mean bush's second term was also unconstitutional?
07:33 <MrBougo> oh crap
07:33 <MrBougo> :p
07:33 <MrBougo> gtg
07:33 <MrBougo> school
07:33 <GodTodd> nope...because the supreme court determines constitutionality and bush has been able to pack the court
07:33 <GodTodd> :)
07:33 <MrBougo> please, next time... chose a president for the USA, not for the world
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07:37 <Lucifer> http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html
07:38 <GodTodd> Al Gore as yet hasn’t “definitively ruled out a bid for the 2008 Democratic nomination for president.”
07:39 <GodTodd> californians are pushing currently to get his name on the primary ballot
07:39 <GodTodd> whether he runs or not
07:39 <GodTodd> heh
07:39 <Lucifer> er, that only explains how it works, not discussing the pros and cons
07:40 <GodTodd> the college?
07:41 <Lucifer> yeah
07:48 <GodTodd> ah
08:04 <Lucifer> aha, I figured out what I want
08:04 <Lucifer> I want a fourth branch that consists of 1000 people for every 1 million people in the country that has to vote yay/nay on everything congress does
08:04 <Lucifer> it can't do anything else, just that
08:04 <Lucifer> and only that
08:05 <Lucifer> and you get picked randomly for service, just like jury duty
08:05 <Lucifer> with a little loophole that allows congress to pass a bill whose only purpose is to change the vote of that body to vote yay/nay on something the president does
08:06 <Lucifer> call it the citizen's oversight congress
08:06 <Lucifer> er
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08:31 <Lucifer> yes!  carmack uses linux :)
08:47 <Lucifer> yay, now I have 2 queries out that aren't mutually exclusive.  Hopefully someone will bite :)
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13:08 <kick52> hello, i'm encounting an error whenever i launch the game on my powermac here
13:08 <kick52> it pops off and quits again, here is the error message from the console
13:09 <kick52> Error: Error in int SDL_main(int, char**) in /Users/lee/Desktop/armagetronad- :
13:09 <kick52>  var directory not writable or does not exist. It should reside insie your user data directory and should have been created automatically on first start, but something must have gone wrong. Your user data directory is subdirectory named .armagetronad in your home directordy.
13:09 <kick52> why is it looking in users/lee?
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14:33 <z-man-work> It is not looking in /Users/lee, that's just where the sources were residing when the game was built.
14:34 <z-man-work> I'm not a Mac expert, so sorry if I can
14:34 <z-man-work> 't be really helpful.
14:34  * z-man-work curses the guy who placed the ' right next to the return key, gets me every time
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15:17 <spidey> '''''''''''
15:17  * spidey pokes z-man-work 
15:18  * z-man-work grabs spidey's stick and clobbers him to death with it
15:18 <spidey> :O
15:18 <spidey> but i didn't have a stick!!
15:18 <spidey> i was poking you with luke-jr's limb
15:18 <z-man-work> well, then I rip your arm off and clobber you to death with that.
15:18 <spidey> so cruel :<
15:19 <z-man-work> Let me think about that...
15:19 <z-man-work> NO!
15:19 <z-man-work> Definitely no cuddling.
15:19 <spidey> but why not???? =(
15:20 <z-man-work> it's ghey.
15:20 <spidey> yes, it's about being happy
15:21 <z-man-work> says someone who abuses other peoples' limbs :)
15:21 <spidey> luke-jr's a person?
15:21 <spidey> oh crap
15:22  * spidey offers z-man-work a butterscotch
15:23 <z-man-work> what's that? a snack?
15:23 <spidey> yes, a poisoned...couch...a tastey carmel blob
15:23 <spidey> like a pepperment =p
15:23 <spidey> s/pepperment/peppermint
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17:00 <eddiefantastic> z-man: ignore my ramblings, do what you need to do. Don't know what came over me
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19:09 <kick52> hello, i'm encounting an error whenever i launch the game on my powermac here
19:09 <kick52> it runs and quits
19:10 <kick52> though it works with sudo using the terminal
19:10 <kick52>  /sbe
19:10 <kick52> whoopd
19:10 <kick52> *whoops
19:10 <kick52> ugh
19:10 <kick52> the error is:    var directory not writable or does not exist.
19:11 <P4> hi kick52
19:11 <kick52> hello
19:11 <kick52> any ideas?
19:12 <P4> hmm
19:12 <P4> maybe create /var dir
19:12 <P4> or set +w rights
19:13 <P4> or specify it in as armagetron option
19:22 <xfroggy> +w
19:22 <xfroggy> hmm
19:22 <xfroggy> this font is so koo
19:26 <kick52> P4: where is var?
19:26 <P4> in mac? dunno, probably in /var :P
19:27 <P4> you can specify it in command line
19:27 <kick52> are you sure it is talking about that folder?
19:27 <kick52> i'm pretty sure that exists
19:27 <P4> do you got +w right there?
19:27 <kick52> uh...
19:28 <kick52> chmod /var
19:28 <kick52> whoops
19:28 <P4> you can try to add --vardir /new/var/dir
19:28 <P4> ...to the command line
19:30 <kick52> it says it should of been created on first run, though this is the first time i've run it
19:30 <kick52> anyway i can convince it to do a first run?
19:30 <P4> you should delete some file (firstrun marker... dunno where it is)
19:34 <kick52> hm
19:35 <P4> i would use --vardir switch
19:36  * kick52 just deleted the app support folder
19:37 <kick52> ok, it is working
19:37 <kick52> thanksth
19:38 <P4> you're welcome
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21:50 <Lucifer> GodTodd: are you going to the XPC?
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22:22 <Lucifer> http://www.mopo.ca/uploaded_images/windows-vista-vinyl-710669.jpg
22:22 <epsy> O_o
22:29 <Lucifer> I'd pay for that
22:31 <epsy> what would you do with it then ?
22:31 <Lucifer> don't know, I don't have a turntable
22:31 <Lucifer> maybe I'd take a picture of it and post it somewhere
22:32 <epsy> :d
22:32 <epsy> did i told you i just got a new connection
22:33 <Lucifer> no, you didn't told me
22:36 <epsy> heh
22:37 <epsy> now i can pause TV...useful
22:38 <epsy> and it's stupid control looks like a ... game controller
22:38 <epsy> with buttons on the rear etc
22:39 <Lucifer> can you play games with it?
22:39 <epsy> i dunno
22:39 <epsy> it seems not
22:39 <epsy> so seems it stupid to me
22:39 <epsy> well
22:39 <Lucifer> all devices are stupid, it's the way of things
22:40 <epsy> the device runs some linux
22:40 <epsy> i might try someday
22:40 <Lucifer> I wish geek.com would hurry up and tell me they don't take freelance writers so I can query the chronicle
22:40 <epsy> but it looks like it's mostly an HTTP OS which runs the TV
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22:53 <GodTodd> Lucifer: no, i have a physics test this weekend :(
22:54 <Lucifer> awwww
22:54 <Lucifer> might need a photographer :)
22:54 <Lucifer> newsforge bit on an article, but it's not general coverage.  I have a feeling geek.com isn't going to bite, though
22:54 <Lucifer> my dad said he'll do what he can, though, but he's getting old you know
22:55  * Lucifer is kicking himself for not coming up with this sooner
22:55  * Lucifer is being kicked by his wife because she *did* come up with this sooner, and Luci rejected it
22:57 <GodTodd> heh
22:59 <GodTodd> i would love to go, especially with tommy kinda interested in space, but school got in the way, ya know? ;)
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