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Log from 2007-10-13:
--- Day changed Sat Oct 13 2007
00:04 <flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgmLVePuFNc
00:07 <GodTodd> man...i'd better leave that one alone: [2007-10-12 17:06] <totall_6_7> i am also one who believes the bible is without error
00:07 <GodTodd> heh
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00:19 <spidey> http://pastebin.com/m27b10587
00:19 <spidey> read that GodTodd${noob}
00:19 <spidey> ;p
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00:25 <GodTodd> heh
00:25 <GodTodd> was that the online equivalent to the rapture? ;)
00:26 <epsy> ahaha irssi vs konv vs xchat :p
00:26 <Gursikh> irssi wins
00:26 <Gursikh> >.<
00:26 <epsy> LOL
00:26 <spidey> lies
00:27 <Gursikh> no you?
00:27 <epsy> well, xchat has done great improvements last months i must say
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01:38 <Lucifer> I love it when I smack a mosquito and get a big red blot for my trouble
01:41 <spidey> haha
01:42 <ct|kyle> i just catch them and kill then in my hand.
01:42 <spidey> #tremulous spent about a half hour harassing #jesus
01:42 <spidey> lol
01:43 <GodTodd> is that who those asshats were?
01:43 <spidey> yes xD
01:43 <spidey> i told 'em about #jesus :P
01:43 <GodTodd> that waterbottle guy is a moron :)
01:43 <spidey> he's not from #tremulous
01:43 <spidey> i have no idea who he is
01:44 <GodTodd> oh, ok...well, he's still a moron
01:44 <spidey> thorn, jhaa, wired, etc are from tremulous
01:44 <GodTodd> :)
01:44 <GodTodd> ah ok
01:44 <Lucifer> umm, what's a word for people who carelessly spend a lot of money?
01:44 <GodTodd> republicans?
01:44 <GodTodd> government?
01:44 <spidey> GodTodd: ?
01:44 <Lucifer> no, regular people
01:44 <GodTodd> celebrities?
01:44 <Lucifer> rich people
01:44 <spidey> GODTODD!
01:44 <Lucifer> opposite of frugal
01:44 <luke-jr> rich snobs?
01:44 <spidey> jesustod
01:45 <spidey> haha
01:45 <GodTodd> ummm
01:45 -!- spidey is now known as JesusTodd
01:45 <JesusTodd> :O
01:45 -!- Lucifer is now known as spidey
01:45 <spidey> now it's mine, hahahahahahaha
01:45 <GodTodd> well...philanthropist is people that *give* lots of money
01:45 -!- spidey is now known as Lucifer
01:45 -!- JesusTodd is now known as Spidyoeuall
01:45 <Lucifer> no, adjective for people that buy stupid shit they don't need
01:45  * GodTodd thinks.
01:46 <Spidyoeuall> you all
01:46 <Lucifer> like, you buy a $20 toy boat, and this type of person would buy a $2000 toy boat
01:46 <Spidyoeuall> sucl
01:46 <GodTodd> stupid...
01:46 <Lucifer> it's on the tip of my tongue :(
01:46 <GodTodd> heh
01:46 <Spidyoeuall> you all suck
01:46 <GodTodd> mine too
01:46 -!- Spidyoeuall is now known as spidey
01:46 <Lucifer> avarice, along those lines
01:46 <Lucifer> #dict avarice
01:46 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: avarice n 1: reprehensible acquisitiveness; insatiable desire for wealth (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: {greed}, {covetousness}, {rapacity}, {avaritia}] 2: extreme greed for material wealth [syn: {avariciousness}, {covetousness}, {cupidity}]; gcide: Avarice \Av"a*rice\ ([a^]v"[.a]*r[i^]s), n. [F. avaritia, fr. avarus avaricious, (4 more messages)
01:46 <Lucifer> #more
01:46 <armabot> Lucifer: prob. fr. av[=e]re to covet, fr. a root av to satiate one's self: cf. Gr. 'a`menai, 'a^sai, to satiate, Skr. av to satiate one's self, rejoice, protect.] 1. An excessive or inordinate desire of gain; greediness for wealth; covetousness; cupidity. [1913 Webster] To desire money for its own sake, and in order to hoard it up, is avarice. --Beattie. [1913 Webster] 2. An inordinate desire for some (3 more messages)
01:46 <spidey> all suck
01:46 <Lucifer> why is it that when i want a synonym, they're always 3-4 messages deep?
01:46 <Lucifer> #more
01:46 <armabot> Lucifer: supposed good. [1913 Webster] All are taught an avarice of praise. --Goldsmith. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 68 Moby Thesaurus words for "avarice": acedia, acquisitiveness, anger, avariciousness, avaritia, avidity, avidness, cheapness, closefistedness, closeness, covetousness, craving, cupidity, deadly sin, desire, envy, frenzy of desire, frugality, fury of desire, gluttony, grasping, (2 more messages)
01:47 <Lucifer> gluttony is good
01:47 <Lucifer> #more
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer: graspingness, greed, greediness, gula, hardfistedness, hoarding, hoggishness, illiberality, incontinence, inordinate desire, insatiability, insatiable desire, intemperateness, invidia, ira, itching palm, lust, luxuria, meanness, miserliness, nearness, niggardliness, overgreediness, parsimoniousness, parsimony, penny-pinching, penuriousness, piggishness, pride, rapaciousness, rapacity, (1 more message)
01:47 <Lucifer> #more
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer: ravenousness, selfishness, sloth, sordidness, stinginess, superbia, swinishness, thrift, tight purse strings, tightfistedness, tightness, ungenerosity, voraciousness, voracity, wolfishness, wrath
01:47 <Lucifer> #dict gluttony
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: gluttony n 1: habitual eating to excess 2: eating to excess (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: {overeating}, {gula}]; gcide: Gluttony \Glut"ton*y\, n.; pl. {Gluttonies}. [OE. glotonie, OF. glotonie, gloutonnie.] Excess in eating; extravagant indulgence of the appetite for food; voracity. [1913 Webster] Their sumptuous gluttonies, (5 more messages)
01:47 <spidey> all suck
01:47 <Lucifer> #more
01:47 <armabot> Lucifer: and gorgeous feasts. --Milton. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 148 Moby Thesaurus words for "gluttony": abandon, acedia, acquisitiveness, anger, appetite, avarice, avariciousness, avaritia, avidity, avidness, boundlessness, cannibalism, carnivorism, carnivority, carnivorousness, chewing, consumption, covetousness, crapulence, crapulency, crapulousness, cropping, cupidity, deadly sin, (4 more messages)
01:47 <spidey> ...
01:47 <Lucifer> crapulence :)
01:48 <Lucifer> #more
01:48 <armabot> Lucifer: deglutition, devouring, devourment, dieting, dining, drunkenness, eating, edacity, egregiousness, enormousness, envy, epulation, exaggeration, excess, excessiveness, exorbitance, exorbitancy, extravagance, extravagancy, extreme, extremes, extremism, extremity, fabulousness, feasting, feeding, frenzy of desire, fury of desire, giantism, gigantism, gobbling, grasping, graspingness, grazing, (3 more messages)
01:48 <Lucifer> extravagance is closer
01:48 <GodTodd> egregious
01:48 <GodTodd> that's the one i was thinking
01:48 <ct|kyle> way beyond my vocab
01:48 <Lucifer> hmm, not quite the one I was thinking
01:48 <Lucifer> #more
01:48 <armabot> Lucifer: greed, greediness, gula, gulosity, herbivorism, herbivority, herbivorousness, hoggishness, hunger, hyperbole, hypertrophy, immoderacy, immoderateness, immoderation, incontinence, indiscipline, indulgence, ingestion, inordinacy, inordinance, inordinate desire, inordinateness, insatiability, insatiable desire, intemperance, intemperateness, invidia, ira, itching palm, licking, lust, luxuria, (2 more messages)
01:48 <Lucifer> #more
01:48 <armabot> Lucifer: manducation, mastication, messing, monstrousness, munching, nibbling, nimiety, nutrition, omnivorism, omnivorousness, omophagy, outrageousness, overdevelopment, overdoing, overeating, overgreatness, overgreediness, overgrowth, overindulgence, overlargeness, overmuch, overmuchness, pantophagy, pasture, pasturing, pecking, piggishness, pride, prodigality, radicalism, rapaciousness, rapacity, (1 more message)
01:48 <Lucifer> indulgence
01:49 <Lucifer> #dict extravagance
01:49 <ct|kyle> #more Lucifer
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: extravagance n 1: the quality of exceeding the appropriate limits of decorum or probability or truth; "we were surprised by the extravagance of his description" [syn: {extravagancy}] 2: the trait of spending extravagantly [syn: {prodigality}, {profligacy}] 3: excessive spending [syn: {prodigality}, {lavishness}, {highlife}, {high life}]; (13 more messages)
01:49 <armabot> ct|kyle: gcide: Extravagance \Ex*trav"a*gance\, n. [Cf. F. extravagance. See {Extravagant}, and cf. {Extravaganza}.] 1. A wandering beyond proper limits; an excursion or sally from the usual way, course, or limit. [1913 Webster] 2. The state of being extravagant, wild, or prodigal beyond bounds of propriety or duty; want of moderation; excess; especially, undue expenditure of money; vaid and (12 more messages)
01:49 <Lucifer> :)
01:49 <Lucifer> #more
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: gcide: Extravagance \Ex*trav"a*gance\, n. [Cf. F. extravagance. See {Extravagant}, and cf. {Extravaganza}.] 1. A wandering beyond proper limits; an excursion or sally from the usual way, course, or limit. [1913 Webster] 2. The state of being extravagant, wild, or prodigal beyond bounds of propriety or duty; want of moderation; excess; especially, undue expenditure of money; vaid and (12 more messages)
01:49 <ct|kyle> :P
01:49 <Lucifer> #more
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: superfluous expense; prodigality; as, extravagance of anger, love, expression, imagination, demands. [1913 Webster] Some verses of my own, Maximin and Almanzor, cry vengeance on me for their extravagance. --Dryden. [1913 Webster] The income of three dukes was enough to supply her extravagance. --Arbuthnot. Syn: Wildness; irregularity; excess; prodigality; profusion; waste; lavishness; (11 more messages)
01:49 <Lucifer> #more
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: unreasonableness; recklessness. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 300 Moby Thesaurus words for "extravagance": abandon, absurdity, abundance, affluence, aggrandizement, amenity, ample sufficiency, ampleness, amplification, amplitude, avalanche, ballyhoo, bedizenment, big talk, bigotry, blatancy, blowing up, bonanza, boundlessness, bountifulness, bountiousness, brazenness, bumper crop, burlesque, (10 more messages)
01:49 <GodTodd> lavishness is always good :)
01:49 <Lucifer> lavishness is good, that is true :)
01:49 <Lucifer> #more
01:49 <armabot> Lucifer: capriciousness, caricature, carpe diem, cloud of words, colorfulness, copiousness, crapulence, crapulency, crapulousness, crudeness, dash, dazzle, dazzlingness, deluge, diffuseness, diffusion, diffusiveness, dilatation, dilation, dissipation, drunkenness, duplication, duplication of effort, effusion, effusiveness, egregiousness, embarras de richesses, embellishment, enhancement, enlargement, (9 more messages)
01:49 <Lucifer> capriciousness is what I was thinking
01:49 <GodTodd> ah
01:49 <GodTodd> also good
01:50 <luke-jr> ROFL
01:50 <Lucifer> I think I like lavishness better, but it lacks the self-indulgent connotation
01:50 <luke-jr> spidey: tell Sixxs you have 50 credits but it won't let you make a subnet
01:50 <spidey> ?
01:51 <GodTodd> you should be able to imply the connotation with context if that's the word you truly want to use :)
01:51 <Lucifer> thesis statement, the word has to be precise
01:51 <Lucifer> #more
01:51 <armabot> Lucifer: enormousness, enough, exaggerating, exaggeration, excess, excessiveness, exorbitance, exorbitancy, expansion, expletive, extortionateness, extravagancy, extravaganza, extravagation, extreme, extremeness, extremes, extremism, extremity, exuberance, fabulousness, fanaticalness, fanaticism, fantasy, fat, featherbedding, fecundity, fertility, filling, flagrancy, flamboyance, flashiness, (8 more messages)
01:51 <GodTodd> hrmm
01:51 <luke-jr> spidey: tell Sixxs you have 50 credits but it won't let you make a subnet
01:51 <Lucifer> #more
01:51 <armabot> Lucifer: flightiness, flood, flow, fluency, foison, formlessness, frill, frills, frippery, full measure, fullness, gaiety, garishness, gaudery, gaudiness, generosity, generousness, giantism, gigantism, gingerbread, glare, glitter, gluttony, gorgeousness, grandiloquence, great abundance, great plenty, gush, gushing, heightening, huckstering, hyperbole, hyperbolism, hypertrophy, immoderacy, (7 more messages)
01:51 <Lucifer> #dict indulgence
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Indulgence \In*dul"gence\, v. t. To grant an indulgence to. [1913 Webster]; wn: indulgence n 1: an inability to resist the gratification of whims and desires [syn: {self-indulgence}] 2: a disposition to yield to the wishes of someone; "too much indulgence spoils a child" [syn: {lenience}, {leniency}] 3: the act of indulging or gratifying a (8 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: desire [syn: {indulging}, {pampering}, {humoring}] 4: foolish or senseless behavior [syn: {folly}, {foolery}, {tomfoolery}, {craziness}, {lunacy}] 5: the remission by the pope of the temporal punishment in purgatory that is still due for sins even after absolution; "in the Middle Ages the unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners became a widespread abuse"; gcide: Indulgence (7 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: \In*dul"gence\, n. [L. indulgentia: cf. F. indulgence.] [1913 Webster] 1. The act of indulging or humoring; the quality of being indulgent; forbearance of restrain or control. [1913 Webster] If I were a judge, that word indulgence should never issue from my lips. --Tooke. [1913 Webster] They err, that through indulgence to others, or fondness to any sin in themselves, substitute for (6 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: repentance anything less. --Hammond. [1913 Webster] 2. An indulgent act; favor granted; gratification. [1913 Webster] If all these gracious indulgences are without any effect on us, we must perish in our own folly. --Rogers. [1913 Webster] 3. (R. C. Ch.) Remission of the temporal punishment due to sins, after the guilt of sin has been remitted by sincere repentance; absolution from the (5 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: censures and public penances of the church. It is a payment of the debt of justice to God by the application of the merits of Christ and his saints to the contrite soul through the church. It is therefore believed to diminish or destroy for sins the punishment of purgatory. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 120 Moby Thesaurus words for "indulgence": acceptance, accommodatingness, agreeableness, (4 more messages)
01:52 <spidey> #more Lucifer${noo
01:52 <armabot> spidey: Error: I haven't seen Lucifer${noo.
01:52 <Lucifer> dammit, how long does it take to get to synonyms?  :(
01:52 <spidey> #more Lucifer
01:52 <armabot> spidey: allowance, attentiveness, benevolence, blank check, carte blanche, charitableness, charity, coddling, complaisance, concern, condonation, connivance, considerateness, consideration, copyright, cosseting, crapulence, crapulency, crapulousness, delicacy, dispensation, disregard, drunkenness, easiness, endurance, excess, excessiveness, extravagance, favor, favoring, forbearance, forbearing, (3 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: allowance, attentiveness, benevolence, blank check, carte blanche, charitableness, charity, coddling, complaisance, concern, condonation, connivance, considerateness, consideration, copyright, cosseting, crapulence, crapulency, crapulousness, delicacy, dispensation, disregard, drunkenness, easiness, endurance, excess, excessiveness, extravagance, favor, favoring, forbearance, forbearing, (3 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> #more
01:52 <armabot> Lucifer: forbearingness, forgiveness, forgivingness, fortitude, franchise, freedom, generousness, gluttony, grant, gratification, heedfulness, helpfulness, humoring, immoderacy, immoderateness, immoderation, immunity, incontinence, indiscipline, inordinacy, inordinateness, intemperance, intemperateness, kindness, lenience, leniency, lenity, liberty, license, long-sufferance, long-suffering, (2 more messages)
01:52 <Lucifer> intemperance
01:52 <Lucifer> perfect
01:52  * Lucifer kisses armabot
01:53 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: how many times have you read the dictionary?
01:53 <Lucifer> not many, why?
01:53  * GodTodd used to flip through it all the time.
01:53 <ct|kyle> you know way more vocab than me
01:54 <Lucifer> heh
01:54 <Lucifer> I'm with godtodd, I used to flip through it all the time
01:54 <GodTodd> that really has nothing to do with "reading the dictionary" but, rather, reading voraciously
01:54 <Lucifer> indeed
01:54 <Lucifer> if you want to improve your vocab over night, read 19th century writing
01:54 <spidey> Lucifer: luke-jr${noob} GodTodd${noob}
01:54 <spidey> civ?!
01:54 <Lucifer> NO!
01:55 <GodTodd> spidey: NO!
01:55 <Lucifer> I'm writing a paper, ca't you see?
01:55 <spidey> WHY!
01:55 <GodTodd> i have physics homework to do in a bit
01:55 <spidey> write, click done done, write, click turn done
01:55 <GodTodd> after i work on the toilet
01:55 <ct|kyle> GodTodd: that is the fun stuff
01:55 <Lucifer> tried that last week, didn't work out well
01:55 <ct|kyle> well the physics
01:55 <spidey> lol
01:55 <Lucifer> hence why I'm writing the paper tonight
01:56 <Lucifer> I have pretty much two more papers after it to write, but those are easier because they're narratives
01:56 <Lucifer> self narratives, even
01:56 <Lucifer> take 10 minutes each, but I have to do this one for tomorrow, and have it in its final form
01:56 <spidey> att offers ipv6 luke
01:57 <luke-jr> spidey: good for you?
01:57 <luke-jr> who uses att?
01:57 <spidey> att == bellsouth
01:57 <Lucifer> my thesis statement isn't strong enough, but I'll come back to it
01:57  * Lucifer uses att
01:57 <luke-jr> spidey: then trash your router
01:57 <spidey> it's the modem, not the router
01:57 <spidey> well
01:57 <spidey> the modem is the router
01:57 <luke-jr> fine
01:58 <luke-jr> modem
01:58 <spidey> so it's both
01:58 <Lucifer> att is on its way to reestablishing their monopoly
01:58 <spidey> Lucifer: indeed
01:58 <spidey> so we should rebel and switch to verizon
01:58 <luke-jr> Verizon has a (regional) monopoly too
01:58 <Lucifer> if verizon didn't suck, sure
01:58 <spidey> who cares
01:58 <spidey> verizon offers better packages :P
01:58 <Lucifer> the packages may be better, but the service is bad
01:59 <spidey> =/
01:59 <ct|kyle> verizon Sucks
01:59 <luke-jr> lol
01:59 <Lucifer> if your service breaks for any reason, it's your fault
01:59 <ct|kyle> they blocked me from Crazy tronners main server for about 10 hours
01:59 <luke-jr> LOL
01:59 <Lucifer> think of it like luke-jr's telco
01:59 <spidey> Lucifer: that differs from current isp's how?
01:59 <luke-jr> Lucifer: no
01:59 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yes
01:59 <luke-jr> I take care of problems
01:59 <spidey> shit, i had to ask to talk directly to a tech when i was with charter
01:59 <luke-jr> like the one my NJ server has had lately
01:59 <spidey> or else it would be my pc's fault
02:00 <luke-jr> spidey: wtf
02:00 <Lucifer> as many times as people have come in here with service problems and you blamed them, only to learn it was a real service problem, you've no ground to stand on
02:00 <spidey> like one time, charter told me i was having connection issues because i was using linux
02:00 <luke-jr> most ISPs won't let you talk to a tech even if you ask
02:00 <spidey> luke-jr: i told the woman she was stupid
02:00 <spidey> :P
02:00 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you mean never?
02:00 <Lucifer> I don't want to talk to a tech when I call them, I want them to send a truck
02:00 <spidey> Lucifer: chances are that won't happen unless they know something's wrong :P
02:00 <Lucifer> spidey: exactly :)
02:00 <spidey> i went through this b/s of reinstalling my nic drivers
02:01 <spidey> over and over
02:01 <ct|kyle> I found out for a fact that verizon was blocking me from the sever
02:01 <Lucifer> I don't have to call them unless they need to send a truck :)
02:01 <spidey> until i had them call the tech
02:01 <luke-jr> OMFG
02:01 <spidey> turns out the lines where having problems
02:01 <luke-jr> this guy is asking me how to copy and paste
02:01 <ct|kyle> wow
02:01 <Lucifer> he's in #jesus, isn't he?
02:01 <luke-jr> (19:03:29) Crazy (DD): so is there a way to copy all the dd settings and things quicker than me having to type it all out?
02:01 <ct|kyle> heh
02:02 <Lucifer> if I'm talking about the english lanuage, "english" doesn't get capitalized, right?
02:03 <spidey> Lucifer: fuck if i know
02:03 <ct|kyle> i thought English was always capitalized
02:03 <spidey> i had a english test thursday
02:03 <luke-jr> it is always
02:03 <spidey> i capitalized it
02:03 <spidey> in every sentance and passed the test
02:04 <luke-jr> spidey: an*
02:04 <Lucifer> heh, I'll wait until someone who knows answers :)
02:04 <spidey> s/noob/luke-jr
02:04 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I did
02:04 <Lucifer> you also capitalize god, though
02:04 <Lucifer> so what do you know?
02:04 <ct|kyle> #google capitalization of english
02:04 <armabot> ct|kyle: Search took 0.10 seconds: Capitalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization>; Spelling > Contractions, Punctuation, and Capitalization at ...: <http://www.english-zone.com/spelling/1contr.html>; Capital Letters - The OWL at Purdue: <http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/592/01/>; Capitalization - Simple English Wikipedia, the free (3 more messages)
02:06 <Lucifer> thanks kyle, that did it
02:06 <Lucifer> languages are always capitalized
02:06 <Lucifer> although it's hard to tell, look:
02:06 <luke-jr> I capitalize pronouns referring to Him, too
02:06 <luke-jr> and that is correct
02:06 <Lucifer> CORRECT: And God sent His son into the world to spread His word.
02:06 <Lucifer> INCORRECT: And God sent his son into the world to spread his word.
02:07 <Lucifer> it may be accepted and common, but it is not correct
02:07 <luke-jr> it is
02:07 <Lucifer> is not
02:07 <luke-jr> is
02:07 <Lucifer> is not
02:07 <luke-jr> idiot
02:07 <Lucifer> I'm rubber and you're glue
02:07 <luke-jr> you're wrong too
02:07 <Lucifer> am not
02:07 <luke-jr> yep
02:07 <Lucifer> in your god-centric world, I'm wrong
02:08 <luke-jr> eg, in reality
02:08 <Lucifer> luckily, the real world doesn't give a rat's ass about god
02:08 <Lucifer> therefore, you don't capitalize pronouns that refer to him
02:08 <Lucifer> but you do have to make sure the antecedent is clear
02:08 <luke-jr> you mean the secular world that lives in Satan's fantasy book
02:08 <Lucifer> no, I mean the world that will continue as it is whether or not there is a god
02:09 <luke-jr> if there were no God, there would be no world
02:09 <Lucifer> it's the same world that doesn't care if you believe in the law of gravity, it'll still kill you if you jump off a high enough cliff
02:09 <Lucifer> aka the natural world
02:09 <Lucifer> not the created world
02:09 <Lucifer> not the illusory world you live in
02:09 <luke-jr> and if you don't believe in God, He'll still send you to Hell if you don't love Him
02:10 <Lucifer> and that makes him just?
02:10 <luke-jr> yes
02:10 <Lucifer> see, that only enhances the idea that justice is a synonym for vengeance
02:10 <luke-jr> well, no
02:10 <luke-jr> nothing *makes* Him just
02:10 <luke-jr> He makes other things just
02:10 <Lucifer> damned to eternal suffering and torment because you dared to think for yourself?
02:10 <Lucifer> you're right, nothing makes hiim just, therefore he is not just
02:10 <luke-jr> because you dared to offend His majesty
02:10 <Lucifer> in fact, he's downright evil
02:10 <spidey> luke-jr: like that gold income? :P
02:11 <spidey> 1.3k income :S
02:11 <luke-jr> spidey: I'll take any gold you want to give me
02:12 <luke-jr> imma watch anime now ttyl
02:12 <spidey> xfiles ftw
02:12 <luke-jr> Juuni Kokuki
02:12 <GodTodd> he just likes to watch anime for the half naked cartoon chicks
02:13 <luke-jr> actually, they were dressed decently including skirts in the first few eps
02:13  * GodTodd notes that luke-jr's notion of how women should act and dress ends when he's watching anime
02:13 <luke-jr> nope
02:14 <GodTodd> sure thing sparky
02:14 <luke-jr> well perhaps to an extent
02:14 <GodTodd> yeah
02:14 <luke-jr> only to the extent that it's FICTION
02:14 <luke-jr> just like your beliefs
02:14 <GodTodd> a large extent
02:14 <GodTodd> like the bible
02:14 <GodTodd> :)
02:14 <luke-jr> except not all fiction is inherently offensive
02:14 <Lucifer> nah, the idea that grown men would try to screw schoolgirls is fact
02:14 <Lucifer> in japan, anyway
02:14 <Lucifer> that's why you see it in anime
02:14 <luke-jr> you don't
02:14 <luke-jr> that crap isn't anime
02:14 <Lucifer> well, I don't, because I don't watch that shit
02:14 <Lucifer> anime = japanese cartoons
02:15 <luke-jr> nope
02:15 <Lucifer> yep
02:15 <luke-jr> it's a form of animation
02:15 <Lucifer> that originated in japan and is produced in japan
02:15 <luke-jr> cartoons are a different form of animation
02:15 <Lucifer> that's why those dvds are in the import section of the store
02:16 <Lucifer> they are cartoons
02:16 <luke-jr> claymation is yet another form of animation
02:16 <luke-jr> nope
02:16 <Lucifer> they're put together the exact same way that mickey mouse and bugs bunny are put together
02:16 <luke-jr> nope
02:16 <Lucifer> except by short men with slanty eyes :)
02:16 <Lucifer> yep
02:16 <luke-jr> shows what you (don't) know
02:16 <Lucifer> in fact, they're a much cheaper way to make cartoons
02:16 <Lucifer> frequently shot at a lower framerate than western cartoons
02:16 <ct|kyle> everything is cheaper in China
02:17 <luke-jr> neither cartoons nor anime are "shot" you idiot
02:17 <Lucifer> yes, they are
02:17 <Lucifer> you draw a picture, then shoot it with a camera
02:17 <luke-jr> I'm not talking about PGS
02:17 <luke-jr> and no you don't
02:17 <luke-jr> you have the computer do it
02:17 <Lucifer> then draw a slightly different picture (basic animation here), and shoot it
02:17 <Lucifer> shows what you know
02:18 <Lucifer> anime was "invented" before computers were used in making cartoons
02:18 <Lucifer> anybody remember G-Force?  ;)
02:18 <luke-jr> indeed
02:18 <luke-jr> but nobody does anime that way today
02:19 <Lucifer> then you're defining anime made today differently than anime made before today
02:19 <ct|kyle> and you are watching stuff that was made before today
02:20 <Lucifer> not that it matters, it's a fact that anime features schoolgirls because japanese men are obsessed with them, and it's a cultural phenomenon in japan tht old men will pay schoolgirls for sex
02:20  * Lucifer doesn't watch anime
02:20 <Lucifer> grew up on Voltron and Robotech and G Force, and realized it was all dumb
02:20  * ct|kyle cannot stand anime
02:20 <Lucifer> and when I say schoolgirls, I'm talking as young as 12 years old
02:21  * GodTodd points to the popularity of Sailor Moon
02:25 <ct|kyle> If matter cannot be created nor destroyed then how was it initially created?
02:25 <Lucifer> it wasn't
02:26 <Lucifer> ironically, creationists argue that evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics
02:26 <Lucifer> instead, the whole creation story itself completely breaks every single law of physics
02:27 <ct|kyle> see I say it was and can be created or destroyed under conditions unknown to man.
02:27 <Lucifer> so you're saying the universe was created, and as evidence you show me magic?
02:28 <Lucifer> so, can energy be created and destroyed, too?
02:29 <ct|kyle> good point
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02:30 <GodTodd> bah
02:30 <GodTodd> nothing wrong with magic
02:30 <GodTodd> it's just a name for that which we cannot yet explain
02:31 <Lucifer> heh
02:31 <Lucifer> but inadmissible as evidence :)
02:31 <GodTodd> oh, of course, but it exists nonetheless :P
02:34 <Lucifer> only if it can be observed
02:34 <Lucifer> since we didn't observe this creation of matter, we do not know if it happened
02:34 <Lucifer> and what we do know tells us that matter can't be created nor destroyed
02:34 <Lucifer> so, do I take as fact what we can observe, or what we can't observe?
02:35 <GodTodd> matter can *not* be created nor destroyed
02:35 <GodTodd> that's obvious
02:38 <Lucifer> kyle's point, if I understood it correctly, was that God could create the universe, and man just doesn't know yet how it can be done
02:38 <GodTodd> sounded like it to me too
02:39 <Lucifer> I'm willing to concede that god could come into being in our universe, and then manipulate matter to form our world and many other worlds
02:39 <GodTodd> spidey: you are being denigrated in #jesus currently :)
02:39 <Lucifer> spidey: sounds like a compliment to me
02:40 <GodTodd> Lucifer: that's closer to what i, personally, believe
02:41 <Lucifer> heh, well me conceding the possibility doesn't equate to me believing in it :)
02:41 <Lucifer> but it would be bad if I were to reject possibilities that are within the realm of science and observable facts
02:41 <GodTodd> right, and i never try to tell others what to believe...until they try to do the same ;)
02:42 <Lucifer> 'twould be better, imo, if God were to show up again and give a better explanation now that we're capable of understanding a much more technical explanation than "I made it"
02:43 <spidey> http://pastebin.ca/734799
02:43 <Lucifer> spidey: don't advertise when you've been bitchslapped
02:44 <spidey> ;p
02:44  * GodTodd avoids a lengthy discussion of why god prefers not to show up again to masses ;)
02:44 <Lucifer> heh
02:44 <Lucifer> he doesn't have to show up to masses, in fact we'd probably hang him if he did
02:45 <Lucifer> he could just masquerade as a scientist and publich a few papers on how he did it, and put it up to peer review
02:45 <GodTodd> nah, lethal injection :D
02:45 <GodTodd> btw spidey....#jesus implies christian quite strongly :P
02:45 <Lucifer> that would require him to reject his own condescending attitude, but for someone who's all-powerful and all-knowing, he could do it
02:46 <spidey> could be jewish
02:46 <GodTodd> no
02:46 <Lucifer> heh
02:46 <GodTodd> jews try *not* to talk about jesus
02:46 <Lucifer> you guys in #jesus right now?
02:46 <GodTodd> yep
02:46 <GodTodd> i hang there
02:46 <spidey> wasn't jesus jewish tho?
02:46 <luke-jr> Jews think Jesus was a b⁂⁑d
02:46 <GodTodd> it's a cool place
02:46 <spidey> or is that something else
02:47 <GodTodd> luke-jr: a what?
02:47 <luke-jr> GodTodd: b⁂⁑d
02:47 <GodTodd> i repeat
02:47 <GodTodd> a what?
02:47 <luke-jr> GodTodd: b⁂⁑d
02:47 <GodTodd> forget it
02:47 <luke-jr> ☺
02:47 <GodTodd>  /ignore luke-jr
02:49  * GodTodd notes that if you have to disguise a word then maybe you should just stfu
02:49 <Lucifer> ah well, that was fun
02:49 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you suck at trolling btw
02:49 <Lucifer> I wasn't trolling
02:49 <Lucifer> I was asking an honest question
02:49 <luke-jr> sure
02:49 <GodTodd> he came back in around 0 AD?
02:50 <GodTodd> i thought it was like 34 AD
02:50 <Lucifer> GodTodd: nobody knows the exact date, of course, but 0 AD doesn't exist on any calendar
02:50 <Lucifer> it goes from 1 BC to 1 AD
02:50 <GodTodd> i thought he was BORN in 0
02:50 <GodTodd> s/around/in
02:50 <Lucifer> you mean: s/in/around
02:52 <GodTodd> s/target/replacement?
02:53 <Lucifer> yep
02:53 <Lucifer> s/yep/yessir
02:53 <Lucifer> s/spidey/suckass
02:53 <spidey> s/lucifer/luke-jr
02:53 <GodTodd> then yes s/in/around
02:54 <Lucifer> s/spidey/luke-jr's crotch
02:55 <GodTodd> a gnat's crotch >> luke-jr's crotch
02:55 <Lucifer> I'm reading that as "divide a gnat's crotch in half and you get luke-jr's crotch"
02:55 <GodTodd> roughly
02:56 <GodTodd> the notation just mean's "massively greater" not really a number involved
02:56 <Lucifer> ah, I read it as an arithmetic shift right
02:56 <GodTodd> either way, the point is valid :)
02:57 <Lucifer> marriage is an exclusive or operation
02:58 <Lucifer> this is the suckiest paper I've ever written
02:58 <Lucifer> and I'm not even half way into it
02:58 <Lucifer> bbiab
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03:44 <luke-jr> trem is retarded
03:46 <ct|kyle> anime is retarded
03:46 <ct|kyle> luke-jr is retarded
03:58 <spidey> y is trem retarded?
03:58 <spidey> lol
03:58 <ct|kyle> because luke-jr is retarded
04:09 <luke-jr> spidey: because it has its own special install program
04:10 <spidey> lol
04:11 <spidey> luke-jr: im
04:11 <luke-jr> screw your dumb im
04:11 <spidey> ...
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04:32 <spidey> luke-jr: i'm killing ssh since all you'r edoing now is spying :P
04:32 <spidey> and it's using most of my upstream -.-
04:32 <ct|kyle> he is taking your pron
04:34 <spidey> why is it so hard to find a guide to setting up a svn server o.o
04:35  * ct|kyle is looking for pidgins svn
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05:11 <ct|kyle> everyone hide Lucifer is back
05:12 <Lucifer> I'm back in black, I hit the sack, I think you know I'm glad to be back
05:12 <spidey> Lucifer: you've setup a svn server right?
05:12 <Lucifer> yes
05:12 <Lucifer> have you?
05:12 <spidey> could you help me? :/
05:12 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/svn
05:12 <Lucifer> wednesday
05:12 <spidey> i'm trying
05:12 <spidey> k
05:12 <Lucifer> umm, are you still in ubuntu?
05:13 <spidey> the server's ubuntu, yes
05:13 <Lucifer> did you already apt-get the apache module?
05:13 <spidey> done got it
05:13 <spidey> i followed this thing
05:13 <spidey> http://linux.about.com/od/ubusrv_doc/a/ubusg27t02.htm
05:13 <spidey> along with 2 others
05:13 <spidey> but i forgot those
05:15 <Lucifer> http://rafb.net/p/H87hny23.html
05:15 <Lucifer> AuthUserFile /etc/svn/svn-auth-file  <--- this is an ini format file
05:15 <Lucifer> no wait, that's not right
05:15 <Lucifer> AuthzSVNAccessFile /etc/svn/svnaccess.conf   <--- *this* is an ini format file
05:15 <spidey> if i don't want it to have auth, i can remove the auth stuff, right?
05:16 <Lucifer> AuthUserFile /etc/svn/svn-auth-file  <--- *this* file is made with htpasswd
05:16 <Lucifer> keep the auth stuff
05:17 <Lucifer> http://rafb.net/p/vSmNnx42.html   <--- this is a section of svnaccess.conf
05:17 <Lucifer> [groups] defines groups, and they're groupname = list, of, users, in, group
05:17 <Lucifer> then you go by repo
05:18 <Lucifer> [alieninvasion:/]   <--- this means "repository alieninvasion, root directory"
05:18 <Lucifer> dave = rw   <--- this means that only the user 'dave' can read/write to this repository.  In fact, it's private
05:18 <Lucifer> * = r   <--- this is the magic line that gives all users read access to it
05:19 <Lucifer> this is the entry for eugenics:
05:19 <Lucifer> [eugenics:/]
05:19 <Lucifer> * = r
05:19 <Lucifer> @eugenicsdev = rw
05:20 <Lucifer> anyone can read, but you have to be a member of group eugenicsdev to write
05:20 <Lucifer> [website:/]
05:20 <Lucifer> @websitedev = rw
05:20 <Lucifer> website is a private repo
05:20 <Lucifer> you'll notice in one of the pastes who the members of websitedev are :)
05:21 <Lucifer> tht's pretty easy, that part.  setting up apache is a pain
05:21 <Lucifer> so going back to here:
05:21 <Lucifer> http://rafb.net/p/H87hny23.html
05:21 <Lucifer> my server is setup with several virtualhosts, all name-based
05:22 <Lucifer> the trigger that makes that happen is somewhere else, but i think you told me you already had it working for you
05:22 <Lucifer> you really should put any writable svn repository under SSL, which is what I've done here
05:22 <Lucifer> that means you need a certificate, which you generate from the commandline
05:23 <Lucifer> I don't think ubuntu comes with a certificate, but it's not hard to generate one, just make sure that wherever you put it,
05:23 <Lucifer> the path lines up with this line:
05:23 <Lucifer> SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem
05:24 <Lucifer> SVNParentpath obviously has to point to the parent directory of your svn repositories
05:24 <Lucifer> on mine it's /var/svn
05:24 <spidey> ok i think i sorta get this
05:24 <Lucifer> so underneath that is /var/svn/dsac, /var/svn/eugenics, etc
05:24 <spidey> ok
05:24 <Lucifer> this is all before you actually create the repository :)
05:24 <Lucifer> to create a repository, you do:
05:24 <spidey> svnadmin create
05:24 <Lucifer> svnadmin create /path/to/repository/nameit
05:25 <spidey> wait
05:25 <Lucifer> and obviously you need to have write access to it
05:25 <spidey> i did svnadmin create /var/svn
05:25 <Lucifer> ah, that's a mistake
05:25 <spidey> should i have done svnadmin create /var/svn/name instead?
05:25 <spidey> :S
05:25 <Lucifer> delete /var/svn, then do mkdir /var/svn, then svn create /var/svn/name :)
05:25 <spidey> k
05:25 <Lucifer> *then*, the apache user has to have read/write access to it
05:25 <Lucifer> so you need to chown the repository afterwards
05:26 <Lucifer> sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/svn
05:26 <Lucifer> I do it one repository at a time, actually, to avoid spurious modification times on other repos
05:26 <Lucifer> so:
05:26 <Lucifer> sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/svn/name
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05:30 <spidey> htpasswd2 /path/svn-auth-file
05:30 <spidey> right?
05:35 <Lucifer> something like that, I don't really remember how to use htpasswd and usually have to google up args for it
05:35 <Lucifer> or read the man pae
05:35 <Lucifer> page
05:40 <spidey> i think i'm retarded
05:46 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/svn/trem/
05:46 <spidey> omg
05:46 <spidey> i love you luci
05:46 <spidey> :D
05:47 <spidey> ok so
05:47 <spidey> this setup will work with svn:// ?
05:47 <spidey> "svn co" that is o.O
05:47 <Lucifer> no
05:48 <Lucifer> have to use https:
05:48 <Lucifer> or http:, depending on how you set that up
05:48 <spidey> so, svn co http://blah/svn/blah?
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05:58 <Lucifer> oops
05:58 <Lucifer> broke my svn repo
05:58 <Lucifer> duh
05:58 <spidey> o.o
05:58 <Lucifer> wait a minute, I have a backup :)
05:58 <Lucifer> anyway, here:
05:58 <spidey> you should write a how-to with that
05:58 <Lucifer> https://trac.usvn.info/
05:58 <spidey> because atleast that helped me get the thing halfway working xD
05:59 <Lucifer> I just installed that, and that's how I broke my repo, but i broke it doing something stupid
05:59 <Lucifer> I'll fix it sometime, but I need to finish this paper
05:59 <Lucifer> seriously, I need to finish this paper.  It's due at 11:15 tomorrow
06:00 <Lucifer> anyway, if you're not too invested in your repo yet, I'd highly recommend installing this thing :)
06:00 <Lucifer> unless you have something better
06:00 <Lucifer> of course
06:00 <spidey> hm
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06:09 <Lucifer> it went in pretty easily for me, and one problem I've had with my repos is other users managing their accounts
06:27 <spidey> Lucifer: got it thanks :)
06:28 <spidey> except
06:28 <spidey> i'm not sure how to allow anonymous access with this thing
06:28 <spidey> o.O
06:30 <Lucifer> me neither :(
06:30 <Lucifer> heh
06:31 <Lucifer> for you it's probably good enough to modify the file
06:32 <Lucifer> in usvn/files/authz
06:32 <Lucifer> change "* =" to "* = r"
06:32 <Lucifer> might work
06:32 <spidey> yup
06:32 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/usvn/svn/trem/
06:32 <spidey> you see that?
06:32 <Lucifer> getting prompted
06:32 <spidey> =/
06:33 <Gursikh> you guys fail
06:33 <spidey> [trem:/]
06:33 <spidey> * = r
06:33 <spidey> @trem = rw
06:33 <Lucifer> er, I had to make some minor changes
06:33 <Lucifer> in files, I deleted svn and changed it to a symlink
06:38 <Lucifer> Guriskh eats cold cock
06:38 <spidey> lol
06:49 <spidey> Lucifer: and that worked?
06:49 <Lucifer> so far
06:50 <spidey> ;s
06:50 <Lucifer> except you have to change the config file directly to get the right checkout url to display
06:50 <spidey> ?
06:50 <spidey> i 'uno
06:50 <Lucifer> even then the right one doesn't show up, but that's because it doesn't ask you when you create the project what the right url is
06:50 <spidey> this is good enough for now i guess
06:50 <Lucifer> you have to add the projects manually
06:51 <Lucifer> yeah, maybe if I looked harder I'd find a better web interface
06:51 <spidey> xD
06:51 <Lucifer> but this is better than the last time I looked, when there wasn't jack shit out there
06:53 <Lucifer> http://insurrection.tigris.org/
06:55 <spidey> hah!
06:55 <spidey> got it!
06:55 <spidey> you need to add Satisfy Any
06:55 <spidey> to the apache2 config
06:55 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/usvn/svn/trem/trunk/
06:56 <spidey> getting prompted now?
07:05 <Lucifer> nope
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09:02 <Lucifer> Latest news reports advise that a cell of 4 terrorists has been operating in West Virginia. Police advise earlier today that 3 of the 4 have been detained.
09:02 <Lucifer> The West Virginia State Police stated that the terrorists Bin Loafin, Bin Drinkin, and Bin Fightin have been arrested on immigration issues.
09:02 <Lucifer> The Police advise further that they can find no one fitting the description of the fourth cell member, Bin Workin, in the state. Police are confident that anyone who looks like Workin will be very easy to spot in the community.
10:01 <duudii> hehe
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10:12 <Lucifer> #dict contemplative
10:12 <armabot> Lucifer: wn and gcide responded: gcide: Contemplative \Con*tem"pla*tive\, n. (R. C. Ch.) A religious or either sex devoted to prayer and meditation, rather than to active works of charity. [1913 Webster]; wn: contemplative adj : persistently or morbidly thoughtful [syn: {brooding}, {broody}, {meditative}, {musing}, {pensive}, {pondering}, {reflective}, {ruminative}] n : a person devoted to the (1 more message)
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10:35 <Lucifer> yay, my paper's long enough, now I just need to edit it
10:35 <Lucifer> without shortening it
10:46 <Lucifer> wow, who'd have thunk that you could fuck off for 4 hours and then the paper would write itself in about 15 minutes?
10:52 <wrtlprnft> how long is it?
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13:52 <epsy> #time
13:52 <armabot> epsy: 01:51 PM, October 13, 2007
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20:27 <epsy> hmm
20:27 <epsy> 66.6 GB remaining on my home folders
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20:34 <spidey> lol
20:34 <spidey> 90gb on sda1 and 39gb on sdb1 remaining :P
20:39 <spidey> both are 120gb drives =/
20:40 <Lucifer> jenny says "turn off the radio"
20:41 <Lucifer> jenny says "turn off the light"
20:41 <spidey> luci
20:42 <spidey> you won't believe this civ i've built
20:42 <Lucifer> you're right
20:42 <spidey> 1245 gold income/504 total costs
20:42 <spidey> that's with not even half cities on coinage
20:43 <spidey> 1,137 m tons production
20:43 <spidey> 18,5k gold
20:43 <spidey> 674 units
20:43 <Lucifer> how many cities?
20:43 <spidey> 114 stealth bombers
20:43 <spidey> 78 xD
20:43 <Lucifer> heh, that's not so unbelievable then :)
20:44 <Lucifer> if you were doing that with only 20, that'd be unbelievable
20:44 <Lucifer> mfg plants?  power plants?
20:44 <spidey> hoover dam
20:44 <Lucifer> hoover dam is so awesome
20:44 <spidey> 24 mfg plants, 35 factories
20:44 <Lucifer> something tells me I'm going to be competing with you to build it in the future
20:45 <Lucifer> are you trashing luke with this civ?
20:45 <spidey> no
20:45 <Lucifer> then what good is it?
20:45 <spidey> i'm just stock piling units
20:45 <spidey> i could overrun the entire map in 4 turns right now
20:45 <Lucifer> heh
20:45 <Lucifer> I played a size 2 map with one ai and it still took 9 hours to play :(
20:46 <spidey> i have 4 carriers of fighter, 4 of choppers, 12 of bombers 2 of awacs
20:46 <Lucifer> you don't want to split those up a bit?  ;)
20:46 <spidey> 6 transports of MI 6 of howitzers
20:46 <spidey> thing is i spit out mi and howitzers faster than transports, lol
20:47 <Lucifer> I hate it when that happens
20:47 <Lucifer> but see, it's not that you need a transport for every land unit, it's that you can maintain a certain flow of units to an area
20:47 <Lucifer> where you're being reinforced faster than you're losing units, and a unit is considered lost when you have to fortify it to defend a newly captured city
20:48 <Lucifer> it's not really lost, of course, but it is lost for offensive action anyway
20:48 <spidey> heh
20:48 <Lucifer> next game I play, which will probably be by myself, I'm going to build a spaceship
20:48 <Lucifer> I want to see how that works out
20:49 <spidey> i have enough battleships/ages cruisers i could wraper around the map with each side by side
20:49 <Lucifer> anyway, next time I have some time and nothing to do with it, I'm going to do some substantial work on eugenics to get it to understand freeciv protocol and then start in on a real freeciv client
20:49 <Lucifer> my goal is that i'll play freeciv maybe once more with the gtk client, to build a spaceship, and then after that I won't play it again until eugenics is a freeciv client
20:49 <spidey> eugenics?
20:50 <Lucifer> yeah, eugenics
20:50 <Lucifer> game I started working on over the summer to replace freeciv in the usage of my time :)
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20:50 <spidey> xD
20:50 <Lucifer> the idea is that it'll have all the automation I want so I don't have to do all the things I hate in freeciv, and can do more of the things I like
20:50 <Lucifer> and things I expect to like that aren't even possible in freeciv
20:50 <spidey> all these cities i have
20:51 <spidey> almost all of them at size 8
20:51 <spidey> xD
20:51 <Lucifer> anyway, a week ago or so I decided to make it a freeciv client as the first major milestone in eugenics development
20:51 <spidey> nice
20:51 <Lucifer> then I can work on the automation I want, and at some point after that it'll make sense to work on the eugenics server, since it'll be a completely different game
20:52 <Lucifer> probably make it support the 2.1 protocol, and if it turns out the 2.1beta servers are unstable, make it support the 2.0 protocol as well
20:52 <Lucifer> doesn't matter much to me either way, since I'm going to layer a bunch of client-side shit on top of it to where it'll barely even resemble freeciv anyway
20:53 <Lucifer> probably at some point, you'll decide to give in to python so you can make eugenics do shit you want it to do, but it's not there yet ;)
20:54 <spidey> python is to picky for my liking
20:54 <spidey> if you even miss a indent it bitches
20:55 <MrBougo> oh my god, that xkcd comic is amazing
20:55 <MrBougo> http://xkcd.com/327/
20:55 <MrBougo> made my day
20:56 <Lucifer> so?  what happens when you miss a curly brace in php?
20:56 <Lucifer> the difference being that it's always easier to find missing indents in python, so those errors are quick to correct :)
20:57 <Lucifer> haha
20:57 <Lucifer> thanks MrBougo (hi there!)
20:57 <MrBougo> hello Lucifer
20:59 <spidey> heh
21:02 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I've played size 2 with 20 AI ☺
21:03 <spidey> i think i'ma use this tatic in real games
21:03 <spidey> my science research rate
21:03 <spidey> was 1.8k pts/turn
21:04 <spidey> luke-jr: what's it mean when "pop is down" ?
21:05 <luke-jr> spidey: http://www.sixxs.net/tickets/?pop=usbos01
21:05 <luke-jr> usatl01 and usbos01 are currently down. We are aware of this and one does not need to contact us nor report anything about this. The problems will be resolved in due time, please have patience.
21:07 <Lucifer> luke-jr: well, there were 4 ais by the time the game was over :)
21:07 <spidey> isn't pop a email server?
21:07 <Lucifer> it doesn't matter a whole lot when you're at war with every city that's not yours and the ais have settled the whole map
21:07 <Lucifer> spidey: pop is a protocol
21:07 <spidey> o
21:08 <luke-jr> spidey: yeah, sixxs is stupid so redefined it as point of presense
21:08 <spidey> pop3 is a email server?
21:08 <luke-jr> no
21:08 <luke-jr> POP3 is a lame protocol
21:08 <spidey> o.O
21:10 <pavelo> it has one good property: one can use it through telnet :)
21:10 <luke-jr> pavelo: not true
21:10 <pavelo> which part ?
21:10 <luke-jr> POP3 does not encompass the telnet protocol
21:11 <pavelo> what i meant is, you can use telnet program to read mail
21:11 <luke-jr> only if you don't use any advanced functionality of telnet
21:11 <luke-jr> and then it is coincidence
21:11 <luke-jr> and highly insecure
21:11 <spidey> scorey
21:11 <spidey> scarey*
21:11 <pavelo> i didn't say it was secure
21:11 <luke-jr> that'd be like using FTP
21:11 <spidey> Lucifer: with this awesome civ, i have 793 points, the AI has 1143 points
21:11 <spidey> :S
21:12 <pavelo> but i actually managed to fix my mailbox with telnet when my regular client wouldn't download my mail
21:12 <luke-jr> good for you
21:12 <luke-jr> and the whole neighborhood learned your password too
21:12 <spidey> ?
21:13 <pavelo> i knew the risks
21:13 <pavelo> but its not like i keep top-secret documents there
21:16 <MrBougo> you can use a ftp to download pop mails? :p
21:17 <luke-jr> MrBougo: no
21:17 <MrBougo> luke-jr: do you use IMAP?
21:17 <luke-jr> yes
21:17 <MrBougo> <luke-jr> that'd be like using FTP
21:17 <luke-jr> indeed
21:17 <luke-jr> in the sense that everyone in the world knows your password now
21:17 <MrBougo> oh
21:17 <MrBougo> ftp doesnt encrypt passwords?
21:17 <luke-jr> no
21:17 <MrBougo> crazy
21:17 <luke-jr> FTP doesn't encrypt anything
21:17 <luke-jr> that's why it's stupid to use FTP
21:18 <MrBougo> mh
21:18 <luke-jr> SFTP ftw
21:18 <MrBougo> oooh rite
21:18 <MrBougo> i thought that you meant... all the ftp protocol
21:18 <MrBougo> and sub-protocols or somehting
21:18 <luke-jr> SFTP has little in common with FTP
21:18 <luke-jr> about the only thing in common is the goal
21:18 <luke-jr> (copying files)
21:19 <luke-jr> the protocol is 100% different
21:19 <spidey> sftp?
21:19 <spidey> i thought that was just a scp client
21:19 <pavelo> i copied files with telnet once :D
21:19 <luke-jr> more or less
21:19  * luke-jr smacks pavelo
21:19 <luke-jr> scp and sftp are both subprotocols of SSH
21:20 <luke-jr> sftp has a server-side service for it
21:20 <luke-jr> /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server
21:21 <MrBougo> oh
21:21 <luke-jr> scp doesn't need a subsystem, IIRC
21:21 <MrBougo> luke-jr: i thought that  SFTP was related to SSL
21:21 <luke-jr> it probably is
21:22 <luke-jr> I think SSH is SSL-based at some level
21:22 <MrBougo> mh
21:22 <luke-jr> or can be
21:22 <MrBougo> so http is unrelated to https too
21:22 <luke-jr> no
21:22 <MrBougo> nvm
21:22 <luke-jr> HTTPS is just HTTP over SSL
21:22 <MrBougo> well i thought that sftp was some sort of SSL ftp
21:22 <luke-jr> no
21:23 <luke-jr> SFTP is an entirely different protocol, over SSH
21:23 <MrBougo> there's better than any file transfer protocol
21:23 <luke-jr> FTP had too many issues ;)
21:23 <MrBougo> http://www.wfshome.com/
21:23 <MrBougo> ftw!
21:23  * MrBougo runs away
21:24 <luke-jr> Juuni Kokuki ftw
21:24 <MrBougo> that's the lamest program ever
21:24 <MrBougo> juuni what?
21:24 <luke-jr> indeed
21:24 <luke-jr> http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?do=seen&seen=1&h=1&filemode=1&showvotes=1&show=mylist&uid=255064&lid=33021960&showheader=1&char=j&expand=26&orderby=name
21:25 <MrBougo> ?
21:25 <luke-jr> http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=26
21:26 <MrBougo> heh luke-jr
21:26 <MrBougo> do you know any physics simulator?
21:26 <luke-jr> no
21:26 <luke-jr> write one
21:26 <MrBougo> like Crocodile Physics but... free?
21:26 <MrBougo> heh whatever
21:26 <luke-jr> quidlibit
21:27 <MrBougo> thats a lib, sint it
21:27 <MrBougo> isnt*
21:27 <luke-jr> …
21:27 <luke-jr> it's Latin for "whatever"
21:27 <MrBougo> haha
21:28 <MrBougo> omg
21:28 <luke-jr> come watch Juuni Kokuki with me
21:28 <MrBougo> i thought it was some quid-lib-it
21:28 <MrBougo> why would i do thta
21:28 <MrBougo> who's a physics nerd here :p
21:28 <MrBougo> Lucifer: ?
21:29 <luke-jr> nobody
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21:33 <MaZuffeR> well, i do study physics...
21:34 <spidey> if i push a ball up a hill, how much thrust will i have to give it?
21:35 <MrBougo> MaZuffeR: do you know any physics software
21:35 <MaZuffeR> no
21:37 <MaZuffeR> spidey: depends on the steepness and height of the hill, and weight and size of the ball
21:37 <MrBougo> ew
21:37 <MrBougo> first... what's thrust
21:37 <MrBougo> oh ok
21:38 <MrBougo> but... that's about aerodynamics, isnt it?
21:38 <G5_Ger> #tea
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21:39 <MaZuffeR> i asumed spidey didn't use thrust in it's correct meaning
21:39 <spidey> ;p
21:39 <MaZuffeR> its*
21:41 <MrBougo> hehe MaZuffeR
21:41 <MrBougo> he meant force
21:41 <MrBougo> or work
21:43 <MrBougo> so you're studying physics MaZuffeR
21:43 <MrBougo> nice!
21:44 <MrBougo> i wanna do this too
21:44 <MrBougo> next year (if everything is ok, and i think it will) i'll go to the university
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21:48 <Bougo> mh
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21:51 <spidey> u
21:53 <MaZuffeR> MrBougo: i should probably warn you, physics is pretty hard at university level :/
21:53 <MrBougo> i know
21:54 <MrBougo> i love physics
21:54 <MaZuffeR> me too
21:54 <MrBougo> i've always loved physics
21:54 <MrBougo> and iv'e always loved maths
21:54 <MrBougo> and i've also always been the best math and physics student of my level
21:54 <MaZuffeR> math is to abstract at university, or atleast what i've read so far
21:55 <MrBougo> i know
21:55 <MaZuffeR> yeah, I was best in my school too
21:55 <MrBougo> i know, it doesnt mean anything
21:56 <MrBougo> so what kind of physics do you learn
21:56 <MrBougo> engineer stuff then?
21:57 <MaZuffeR> no, the real stuff, not engineering physics ;)
21:57 <MrBougo> oh
21:57 <MrBougo> and in what kind of school?
21:57 <MaZuffeR> univeristy
21:57 <MaZuffeR> or what do you mean?
21:57 <MrBougo> oh ok
21:58 <MrBougo> that's not what i understood :p
21:58 <MrBougo> and is it ok?
21:58 <MrBougo> quantum mechanics, yummy
21:58 <MaZuffeR> it's hard, for me atleast
21:58 <MrBougo> but you can handle ti
21:58 <MrBougo> it*
21:58 <MaZuffeR> yep, i have a quantum mechanics course atm
21:58 <MaZuffeR> yeah, i've passed all my courses so far
21:58 <MrBougo> nice then :)
21:59 <MaZuffeR> but it's getting harder and harder
21:59 <MrBougo> hard doesnt mean annoying or whatever
21:59 <MaZuffeR> no, just hard to understand
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21:59 <MrBougo> it's a bit abstract i guess
21:59 <MrBougo> not only a bit actually :p
21:59 <MaZuffeR> yep
21:59 <MrBougo> things you can't feel at all
22:00 <MaZuffeR> yeah, quantum mechanics is really weird
22:00 <MrBougo> i'd love having a course right now
22:01 <MrBougo> oh kewl, there's a "quantum mechs for dummies"
22:01 <MaZuffeR> lol
22:01 <MrBougo> there isnt :(
22:10 <spidey> russian can't touch this xD
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22:14 <epsy> #lastseen durka
22:14 <armabot> epsy: Durka has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 hour 16 minutes ago.
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22:14 <armabot> epsy: DDMJ has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 hours 25 minutes ago.
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22:26 <Lucifer> spidey: the force you need to push a ball up a hill depends on how fast you want it to accelerate, and the angle the hill makes with the horizontal
22:26 <Lucifer> MrBougo: wxMaxima
22:26 <Lucifer> it's not a physics problem specifically, but it does a lot of math symbolically so you can focus on physics
22:28 <MrBougo> ow
22:28 <Lucifer> MrBougo: for a physics simulator, I'd appreciate it if you google first and ask questions afterwards :)
22:28 <MrBougo> thats not what i meant
22:28 <MrBougo> what do you think, Lucifer :p
22:28 <Lucifer> I googled for CAD programs last week and found a whole ton of physics simulators
22:28 <Lucifer> all of them open source
22:28 <Lucifer> so I think you either didn't bother, or didn't do a very good job of googling :)
22:32 <Lucifer> http://www.google.com/search?q=open+source+physics+simulator
22:37 <MrBougo> Lucifer: these are either libraries or java applets
22:40 <MrBougo> i'm out
22:40 <MrBougo> bye
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22:40 <Lucifer> too bad he didn't look harder, there's one made by the army that looks like a pretty in-depth mechanics simulator, used to simulate vehicles made for the army to test them against specs
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