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Log from 2007-09-23:
--- Day changed Sun Sep 23 2007
00:00 <epsy> little shoutbox script, i want to check against imposters
00:00 <Flex_> oh
00:00 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-81-28-7.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
00:00 <Flex_> i dunno about hostmarks but IP should be possible
00:00 <epsy> yeah i seen
00:01 <epsy> bah
00:01 <epsy> i just have to hope phpBB logs IPs
00:01 <Flex_> it does
00:01 <epsy> i mean phpBB 2.0
00:01 <epsy> or 2.whatever
00:02 <Flex_> yeah it does, why don't you just make it so your shoutbox can't be used by guests..
00:02 <Flex_> that simply avoids imposters all together
00:02 <epsy> well, i'm not a grerate phpBB fan
00:02 <Flex_> this for turbo?
00:03 <epsy> no, tronic donkeys
00:03 <Flex_> oh, can i see? :)
00:03 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/tronicdonkeys/
00:03 <epsy> err this might be slow, that's actually just on my comp
00:04 <Flex_> nice, just don't you think the logo is abit too tall? :P
00:04 <epsy> that's only on the home page ;)
00:04 <Flex_> urm long i mean
00:04 <Flex_> yeah
00:05 <P4> epsy: The requested URL /~epsy/tronicdonkeys/shoutbox.php was not found on this server.
00:05 <P4> :P
00:05 <epsy> :P
00:07 <P4> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/tronicdonkeys/index.php?c=2 <=- this page has displays: No such file or directory in /home/epsy/public/tronicdonkeys/contents.php on line 9
00:07 <P4> :)
00:07 <Flex_> he's probably not finished it
00:07 <P4> oh
00:07 <epsy> OOO WAIT I KNOW I KNOW
00:07 <epsy> arrgg spas lock
00:08 <epsy> lol sorry ;p
00:08 <P4> you should be autokicked :P
00:08 <epsy> yeah indeed it's not intended to be finished
00:08 <epsy> bah...sql syntax, you know
00:11 <Flex_> well just a idea, you could like make a phpbb2 shoutbox, then just link it on the index
00:11 <epsy> shoubox should work
00:11 <Flex_> if you want the shoutbox on the index
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00:12 <Flex_> that way it's loginbased on the forums plus visible on index..
00:12 <P4> epsy: Fatal error: Call to undefined function http_redirect() in /home/epsy/public/tronicdonkeys/pages/shoutbox.php on line 33
00:12 <Flex_> dunno your ideas/plans
00:12 <epsy> yeah, but as i say, the first time i started that site, i opened up phpBB3.0, cfg'd it, then looked at it 2 minutes, then i said to myself, bah, i'm gonna just to it by hand :P
00:13 <P4> epsy: good idea :D
00:13 <epsy> barf it's not avaliable here :P
00:14 <P4> #sty
00:14 <armabot> P4: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (2/8): Lêgïöðnå1rê	CPH, mañn
00:14 <Flex_> I was thinking of doing like a index/forums integrated but then I was left with nothing interesting apart from "news" to actually integrate it with..
00:15 <Flex_> but I like "matches" but i guess that's going to be a much of a gloating for x :P
00:15 <epsy> LOL!
00:16 <Flex_> "We are a group of Armagetron Advanced players which have built up" teamed up sounds better :P
00:16 <epsy> k
00:16 <Flex_> has instead of have too :P
00:17  * epsy isn't that greate at english
00:17 <Flex_> or wait have is better
00:17 <P4> epsy: you're french, right?
00:17 <epsy> yes
00:17 <Flex_> i guess so
00:17 <P4> french and english don't like each other :>
00:17 <epsy> lol
00:17 <Flex_> when did you figure that out P4?
00:17 <P4> dunno, someone told me that :P
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00:18 <P4> like english channel and la manche ;)
00:18 <Durka> log the IP epsy
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00:18 <epsy> PI the gol durka!
00:18 <Flex_> I know for sure nobody in Europe likes UK, but I think everybody just hates everyone else in Europe..
00:18 <P4> #whois Durka
00:18 <epsy> he left :p
00:18 <P4> #plugin whois
00:18 <armabot> P4: Error: There is no command "whois".
00:19  * epsy slaps durkas for obscure sayings
00:19 <Flex_> which shoutbox script are you using epsy?
00:19  * P4 slaps Durka with a large trout
00:19 <P4> homebrew :)
00:20 <epsy> yes, i made it on my own :p
00:21 <epsy> arf
00:22  * P4 wants HAL
00:23 <Flex_> then go get a better shoutbox with IP's :P
00:24 <Flex_> This AFL might actually be fun/interesting :D
00:24 <epsy> how? :D
00:25 <P4> epsy: can't you just log the IP with the message?
00:25 <Flex_> stupid question.. but i can't actually remember if DS were in last AFL?
00:25 <epsy> P4, that's what i'm exactly doing lol
00:26 <P4> oh... where did you stuck?
00:26 <epsy> You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'time`=NOW(), `hostmask`='192.168.0.254'' at line 1
00:26  * P4 is gonna smoke some natural stuff
00:26 <epsy> lol
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00:27 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen ~ X ~
00:27 <armabot> Stewie-arma: .:] ~ X ~ has last been seen on  Wild West  =Fortress= 16 hours 3 minutes ago.
00:27 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen sagelord
00:27 <armabot> Stewie-arma: .:] SageLord has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 hours 18 minutes ago.
00:27 <Flex_> #lastseen Flex
00:28 <armabot> Flex_: ¦×¥Flex has last been seen on NIXDA.NET - SUMO 46 minutes ago.
00:28 <Flex_> :D
00:28 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen 42
00:28 <armabot> Stewie-arma: Player 42 has last been seen on NIXDA.NET - SUMO 1 minute ago.
00:28 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen 1200
00:28 <armabot> Stewie-arma: USA|1200 has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 hour 47 minutes ago.
00:28 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen skt
00:28 <Stewie-arma> lol
00:28 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen sky
00:28 <armabot> Stewie-arma: timed out
00:28 <armabot> Stewie-arma: skylla has last been seen on NIXDA.NET - SUMO 20 minutes ago.
00:29 <Stewie-arma> hmmm
00:29 -!- Flex_ is now known as Flex-
00:29 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen durka
00:29 <armabot> Stewie-arma: Durka has last been seen on NIXDA.NET - SUMO 1 hour 23 minutes ago.
00:29 <epsy> INSERT INTO `shoutbox` SET `nick`='epsy', `message='huhu', `time`=NOW(), `hostmask`=':P'
00:29 <epsy> hmm what's wrong with this ?
00:29 <epsy> oh
00:29 <Stewie-arma> `nick`='epsy' is wrong
00:30 <Stewie-arma> look at the message...
00:30 <epsy> forgot something near « message »
00:30 <Stewie-arma> yeah
00:30 <Stewie-arma> I saw that
00:30 <Stewie-arma> lol
00:30 <Stewie-arma> huhu
00:30 <Stewie-arma> #dorka
00:30 <Stewie-arma> awww
00:30 <epsy> it works :)
00:31 <Stewie-arma> what does?
00:31 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/tronicdonkeys/
00:31 <epsy> the shoutbox
00:31 <P4> well done epsy :)
00:31 <epsy> hrhr ty
00:32 <Flex-> maybe make it so "Nickname" is cleared on click :)
00:32 <epsy> ok
00:32 <epsy> so what remains is...
00:32 <Stewie-arma> lol
00:32 <Stewie-arma> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/tronicdonkeys/index.php?c=2
00:32 <epsy> the roster :P, the news, the link to the forums, and...the ... matches :o
00:33 <Flex-> flooood :P
00:33 <epsy> and the new tabs :)
00:33 <epsy> LOL!
00:33 <Flex-> who just flooded the shoutbox! lol
00:33 <Stewie-arma> dunno
00:33 <Stewie-arma> that's weird
00:34 <epsy> that's you flex :p
00:34 <Stewie-arma> lol
00:34 <Flex-> not me :o
00:35 <epsy> * [Flex-] (i=flex@host81-158-124-209.range81-158.btcentralplus.com): Savas
00:35 <epsy> same ip :d
00:35 <Flex-> :o
00:35 <Stewie-arma> lol
00:35 <Flex-> wasn't me :P
00:35 <Stewie-arma> pooned
00:35 <epsy> arf that was your fingers
00:36 <epsy> P4, what font is showing up ?
00:36 <epsy> oh i need a ban script as well
00:36 <Flex-> lol
00:36 <Flex-> ;)
00:37 <epsy> ok enough for today :*
00:37 <epsy> :9
00:39 <epsy> Flex-, you can also use the java apelet to spam this too if you want
00:39 <Flex-> na it's kay
00:39 <Stewie-arma> woot spam
00:39 <epsy> k cu
00:39 <Flex-> i would suggest that you make it so nickname and message disaapear on clcik
00:40 <epsy> yeah good idea
00:40 <epsy> x)
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01:05 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:05 <ghableska> #tea
01:05 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 74.3°F (6:04 PM CDT on September 22, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Steady).
01:05 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
01:05 <Stewie-arma> #weather 92037
01:05 <armabot> Stewie-arma: The current temperature in La Jolla Shores, La Jolla, California is 75.4°F (4:05 PM PDT on September 22, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
01:06 <P4> #weather gliwice
01:06 <armabot> P4: The current temperature in Gliwice, Poland is 46.6°F (1:00 AM CEST on September 23, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Steady).
01:06 <ghableska> brrr
01:06 <P4> yea.. it's almost winter
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01:12 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
01:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 87.4°F (6:11 PM CDT on September 22, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady).
01:12 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
01:12 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 87.1°F (6:03 PM CDT on September 22, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling).  Air pollution watch level Orange in effect for Sunday...
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> yep, winter's almost here alright
01:16 <GodTodd> sure is
01:16 <GodTodd> :/
01:34 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
01:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 8:27 PM ADT; Tonight - A few clouds. Fog patches spreading inland this evening. Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 7C(45F).; Friday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Fog patches dissipating in the (1 more message)
01:34 <Vanhayes> still summer here
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02:03 <ghableska> #tea
02:04 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
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02:41 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: ping
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: pong
02:41 <spidey> you know anything about ndiswrapper?
02:42 <spidey> i've got the driver installed etc
02:42 <spidey> ndiswrapper -l detects the card, but i don't know exactly what i add to /etc/modules
02:50 <spidey> nvm, got it
02:56 <spidey> tonight shall be vodka night :>
02:56 <Stewie-arma> again?
02:56 <spidey> yes :)
02:56 <Stewie-arma> I thought you said you barely got drunk...
02:56 <spidey> i do
02:56 <spidey> but hey, it's there :)
02:57 <Stewie-arma> this is like twice a week
02:57 <spidey> ...
02:57 <Stewie-arma> lol
02:57 <spidey> is not
02:57 <Stewie-arma> ...
02:57 <Stewie-arma> fine once a week
02:57 <Stewie-arma> it was recent
02:57 <spidey> :P
02:57 <Stewie-arma> infact I think it has been exactly a week
02:58 <spidey> no
02:58 <spidey> it was sunday
02:58 <Stewie-arma> then it is twice a week
02:58 <spidey> no
02:58 <Stewie-arma> lol
02:58 <spidey> because i'm not gonna start till around 12 :P
02:58 <Stewie-arma> lol
02:58 <Stewie-arma> that's still 7 days back ;P
02:59 <spidey> ...
02:59 <spidey> oh well
02:59 <spidey> i'm short on pot
02:59 <spidey> so liquor takes its place till i get some more :|
03:00 <spidey> stupid amarok
03:00 <spidey> it never saves my playlist :|
03:03 <Vanhayes_> spidey: do irish car bombs
03:03 <spidey> ?
03:03 <Stewie-arma> hayes is he in the republic?
03:03 <Vanhayes_> 1 shot of jameson whiskey 1 shot of baileys and a guieness
03:04 <Vanhayes_> Stewie-arma: no, but the are good anywhere
03:04 <Vanhayes_> anytime too
03:05 <Vanhayes_> or you could do canadian car bombs
03:06 <Vanhayes_> or I guess you could just drink your vodka straight like a russian, commie
03:07 <Stewie-arma> spidey is a commie
03:07 <Vanhayes_> the only explanation
03:09 <ghableska> COMMIE!
03:10 <Vanhayes_> or since you barley ever drink you might want to try jager bombs, the are always fun
03:10 <Vanhayes_> hmm, thats not how you spell barely
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03:33 <Lucifer_arma> haha, oops, I ponged spidey and then walked off
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> that was rude :(
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> sorry
03:49 <Vanhayes_> #armaservers
03:49 <armabot> Vanhayes_: This data is 110 seconds old; Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (8/10), Crazy Tronners Bugfarm Clone with Ladders (8/2), .: Eclipse'd.EC|d - UK Div. DogFight :. (7/8), Wild West  =CTF Shooting= (7/10), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (7/12), Swampland in 0.2.8 (6/8), Norm's Place (6/12), MicroBusCity.com (6/12), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (6/12), (1 more message)
03:55 <ghableska> #serverinfo Bugfarm
03:55 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Bugfarm Clone with Ladders: Players (7/2): CT×µ4, ct¤ky13, kyle_Record, Sl33py, ~:P1|NL, ¦×¥ W4z0r, ¦×¥buXbaum
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04:11 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen ~ X ~
04:12 <armabot> Stewie-arma: .:] ~ X ~ has last been seen on  Wild West  =Fortress= 19 hours 48 minutes ago.
04:12 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen sageloord
04:12 <Stewie-arma> lol
04:12 <armabot> Stewie-arma: timed out
04:12 <Stewie-arma> #lastseen sagelord
04:12 <armabot> Stewie-arma: .:] SageLord has last been seen on Fortress Café 6 hours 3 minutes ago.
04:12 <Stewie-arma> damn
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05:23 <Stewie-arma> blech
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> belch
05:42 <GodTodd> fart
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, my stapler's empty!
05:43 <Stewie-arma> not again
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> that probably means someone's been stealing my staples
05:43 <Stewie-arma> sorry that was me
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> it was full at the beginning of the semester, and I haven't done much stapling with it
05:44  * GodTodd hides his neatly stapled papers.
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's better this way, I had regular shiny staples in it before
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> now I can put the neon green staples back in it :)
05:44 <Stewie-arma> lol
05:44 <Stewie-arma> sorry I stole those aswell
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> I stole your nutsack
05:47 <Stewie-arma> let me check
05:47 <Stewie-arma> nope still here
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> hid it in a blender
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> someone turned it on
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I can't finish the rhyme
05:47 <Stewie-arma> lol
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> the first three lines are always easy, because you don't have to rhyme until the fourth line
05:56 <GodTodd> sent you on a bender
05:59 <GodTodd> man...i've been shitting my brains out today :/
05:59  * GodTodd leaves the obvious catholic joke alone there.
06:11 <Stewie-arma> I don't get it
06:12 <GodTodd> sorry
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06:27 <Lucifer_arma> bender is too similar to blender
06:28 <GodTodd> yeah...it was spur of the moment so sue me :P
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06:42 <Durka> \o
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06:49 <GodTodd> o/~
06:51 <GodTodd> #godtodd
06:51 <armabot> Shit, fuck, Satan, Death, sex, drugs, rape!
06:51 <Durka> xD
06:54 <Vanhayes> #alias list
06:54 <Vanhayes> #list alias
06:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: monologue, roulette, 42, \\\:o, add, afl, armabot, armaconfig, armaservers, armasettings, babel, ball, bigbrother, bounce, bug, bye, cat, cfg, chatlog, check, cinf, cink, crazylate, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, ddl, delire, die, die, digg, digitx, ding, disclaimer, do, dog, dong, eliza, eroulette, f, fastfood, finc, fink, fofo, fortune, g, gcalc, gfight, go, godtodd, goodbye, (2 more messages)
06:54 <Vanhayes> #more
06:54 <Vanhayes> #more
06:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: hd, hell, hello, hey, hoop, hungary, hyphy, impregnate, insight, ircstats, jesus, joke, kill, killsomeone, kinc, kinf, laddle10, lastseen, lastseenf, legit, lock, log, log, luke, lukejrwork, m, man, mcalc, mfaq, monologue, morning, move, mrbougo, murder, nano, night, null, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, peek, pingme, pingy, piong, poing, pong, powiedz, praise, pwn, q, rape, (1 more message)
06:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: realchatlogs, remove, res, resources, rou, roulette, roulette, roulete, rules, r‭oulette, sd, serverdetails, serverinfo, slap, speed, stfu, stone, sty, svn, t, tea, team, thank, tst4, tst5, tstservers, tyskie, uname, unlock, ur, vanhayes, w, weather, where, whereis4p, whereisp4, where are the noobs ?, whoareyou, whoisp4, wikipedia, wild, wp, ww, xd, ¡¡¡, and ‭
06:54 <MrBougo> hiho van
06:54 <Vanhayes> hohi
06:54 <MrBougo> we should clean up these aliases
06:54 <Durka> but some of them are so good!~
06:54 <Vanhayes> it happens every once and a while
06:54 <Durka> #hyphy
06:55 <armabot> Durka: lawlz of hi5 j00 n00bz ace pwnz or of i in life n robs ccz and moneyz $ _ $ of ur of the makez
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06:55 <Durka> \o
06:55 <MrBougo> xD
06:55 <MrBougo> nah, clean everything up but the ones we want to keep
06:55 <Vanhayes> #praise
06:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: (praise [<channel>] [<id>] <who|what> [for <reason>]) -- Praises <who|what> (for <reason>, if given). If <id> is given, uses that specific praise. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
06:55 <Vanhayes> #alias praise
06:55 <armabot> Ady sucks
06:56 <Vanhayes> ha
06:56 <Vanhayes> #praise Durka
06:56  * armabot gives Durka a cookie
06:56 <Vanhayes> #praise MrBougo
06:56  * armabot gives MrBougo a cookie
06:56 <Vanhayes> #praise Vanhayes
06:56  * armabot falls down to his knees and praises Vanhayes
06:56 <Vanhayes> damn right, a cookie just doesnt cut it for me
06:56 <MrBougo> #praise Vanhayes
06:56  * armabot falls down to his knees and praises Vanhayes
06:56 <MrBougo> hehe
06:56 <MrBougo> #praise Vanhayes
06:57  * armabot gives Vanhayes a cookie
06:57 <MrBougo> so armabot has knees? wtf!
06:57 <Vanhayes> i was hungry that time, she knew it
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06:58 <Vanhayes> #ping
06:58 <armabot> pong
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> #jesus Vanhayes
06:59 <armabot> Jesus thinks Vanhayes is a jerk.
06:59 <Vanhayes> #jesus god
06:59 <armabot> Jesus thinks god is a jerk.
07:03 <luke-jr> omg
07:03 <luke-jr> CAD > USD
07:03 <Vanhayes> bam
07:03 <Vanhayes> we invade tommorow and buy all your food
07:03 <luke-jr> lol
07:04 <luke-jr> what sucks the most is
07:04 <luke-jr> I just had someone sign up for hosting
07:04 <luke-jr> at the old prices
07:04 <luke-jr> (now I need to set USD prices to CAD)
07:05 <Vanhayes> hmm we are pretty much even now, unless you want to count the .0003 cents
07:06 <luke-jr> ?
07:06 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: $2 difference between what the USD used to be worth, and my new price
07:06 <Vanhayes> i meant the CAD is 1.0003 to the USD
07:07 <Vanhayes> at least according to google, not sure how reliable that is now though
07:07 <Vanhayes> hmm what is the average minimum wage in the US?
07:08 <luke-jr> $5.15/hr
07:08 <luke-jr> and that includes tips
07:09 <Vanhayes> wow
07:09 <Vanhayes> ours is 7,25, or maybe 7, not sure if nfld went up with us or not
07:10 <Vanhayes> not including tips
07:12 <luke-jr> heh
07:12 <luke-jr> I've known people who got paid $2/hr
07:13 <Vanhayes> was that an actual job where you get a paycheck and taxes taken out of it?
07:13 <Vanhayes> or just an oddjob?
07:13 <spidey> dude
07:13 <spidey> omg
07:14 <spidey> have you ever been drinking something, had it go down wrong and come back up your nose?
07:14 <luke-jr> ...
07:14 <Vanhayes> yes, beer stings
07:14 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: that's the norm for waitresses
07:14 <spidey> and luke-jr is full of shit, tat's not our min wadge
07:14 <Vanhayes> thats horrible
07:14 <spidey> they raised it
07:14 <luke-jr> spidey: maybe
07:14 <spidey> it's almost $6/hr min
07:14 <luke-jr> if so, it was recent
07:15 <luke-jr> or perhaps you mean a specific state
07:15 <spidey> not to recent
07:15 <spidey> Vanhayes: not beer
07:15 <spidey> vodka
07:15 <spidey> i ended up puking up everything i drank
07:15 <MrBougo> hello
07:15 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S.A._minimum_wages
07:15 <luke-jr> says $5.85 is current
07:15 <spidey> which sucks because now i can't get drunk :|
07:15 <spidey> luke-jr: that's almost $6/hr
07:15 <Vanhayes> ours is by province, nfld is lowest with 7 nb second lowest with 7.25, highest is Nunavut
07:16 <Vanhayes> with 8.50
07:16 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: US states can have a higher minimum than the federal gov't
07:16 <Vanhayes> ah ok
07:16 <Vanhayes> well the highest in theory is nunavut
07:17 <spidey> gay
07:17 <spidey> tn doesn't have a min wadge
07:17 <Vanhayes> the highest  really, is alberta where no one really works for less than 14
07:17 <spidey> but is linked to the federal min wadge atleast
07:17 <Vanhayes> and 14 is pretty low, that wold be a part time mcdonalds job
07:17 <Vanhayes> 18-22 is the starting pay in most jobs
07:18 <spidey>  a hour?
07:18 <spidey> wtf
07:18 <luke-jr> btw
07:18 <luke-jr> this new customer of mine
07:18 <luke-jr> has 8ms ping to the server
07:18 <luke-jr> :O
07:18 <Vanhayes> ya, an hour
07:18 <spidey> luke-jr: so?
07:18 <luke-jr> 8 ms
07:18 <luke-jr> that's like a LAN
07:19 <spidey> not really
07:19 <luke-jr> ...
07:19 <spidey> what's his face had that on the old bugfarm
07:19 <luke-jr> ok, not really
07:19 <luke-jr> LAN looks like 0-2
07:19 <spidey> ya really
07:19 <Vanhayes> i get 30-40 on lan
07:19 <spidey> 8ms means nothing
07:19 <spidey> because
07:19 <luke-jr> but even just to my first hop (my ISP), I have 11 ms ☹
07:19 <spidey> on lan i get 50ms to my brothers game server
07:20 <luke-jr> 50 ms > 8 ms
07:20 <Vanhayes> http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/ShowJob_en.aspx?OrderNum=3196437&Source=JobPosting&CommGrouping=GAB020&Sources=JobBank,Government&Student=No
07:20 <spidey> when i was on cable, and hosted a server from home,and was 100miles away at my moms
07:20 <luke-jr> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 6.393/9.928/17.257/2.684 ms
07:20 <Vanhayes> thats what a full time cashier can make in alberta
07:20 <spidey> i had a 20-30ms ping on my server
07:20 <spidey> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.209/2.137/5.722/1.792 ms
07:20 <spidey> luke-jr: your lan sucks
07:21 <luke-jr> that's not my LAN
07:21 <luke-jr> that's my first ISP hop\
07:21 <luke-jr> tracepath google
07:21 <spidey> to?
07:21 <luke-jr> pick the first IP that's not on your LAN
07:21 <luke-jr> that's the router your ISP has you on
07:22 <spidey> spidey@hax:~$ tracepath google.com
07:22 <spidey>  1:  hax.local (192.168.1.95)                               0.153ms pmtu 1492
07:22 <spidey>  1:  launchmodem (192.168.1.254)                            0.996ms
07:22 <spidey>  2:  no reply
07:22 <spidey>  3:  no reply
07:22 <spidey>  4:  no reply
07:22 <luke-jr> ...
07:22 <luke-jr> ok, your ISP or modem sucks
07:22 <spidey> ...
07:22 <luke-jr> tcptraceroute ☺
07:22 <spidey> gotta install it
07:22 <luke-jr> yeah
07:23 <luke-jr> sheesh, what kind of a nuthead ISP blocks tracepath?
07:24 <spidey> spidey@hax:~$ tcptraceroute google.com
07:24 <spidey> Selected device eth1, address 192.168.1.95, port 33628 for outgoing packets
07:24 <spidey> Tracing the path to google.com (72.14.207.99) on TCP port 80 (www), 30 hops max
07:24 <spidey>  1  * * *
07:24 <spidey>  2  * *
07:25 <luke-jr> wow
07:25 <luke-jr> wtf is wrong with your network?
07:26 <spidey> alot
07:26 <spidey> it's problem the borked router
07:26 <spidey> that's now a switch
07:26 <luke-jr> ...
07:26 <luke-jr> what's your IP?
07:26 <spidey> it doesn't transfer anything as a router
07:26 <spidey> i had to disable routing for it to work
07:26 <spidey> = now a switch
07:26 <luke-jr> what's your IP?
07:27 <spidey> 65.6.218.226
07:27 <Vanhayes> #night
07:27 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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07:27 <MrBougo> luke, wth with your host?
07:28 <luke-jr> best I can tell, 65.83.239.23 is your closest router on your ISP
07:28 <luke-jr> try pinging it
07:28 <MrBougo> n=luke-jr@2002:48ce:72ec:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d
07:28 <luke-jr> MrBougo: what about it?
07:28 <MrBougo> what does that mean :p
07:28 <luke-jr> ...
07:28 <MrBougo> 2002:48ce:72ec:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d
07:28 <luke-jr> n= means I don't run an indent server
07:28 <luke-jr> luke-jr is my "real name" value
07:28 <spidey> ipv6 ip
07:28 <MrBougo> argh, thats ipv§?
07:28 <MrBougo> v6*
07:28 <luke-jr> 2002:48ce:72ec:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d is my IP address
07:28 <spidey> luke-jr: this?
07:28 <spidey> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.519/0.564/0.731/0.049 ms
07:28 <MrBougo> ewww, these ipv6 addresses are ugly
07:28 <luke-jr> spidey: O.o
07:28 <luke-jr> spidey: nice
07:29 <luke-jr> MrBougo: wtf do you think God made DNS for?
07:29 <luke-jr> ☺
07:29 <spidey> 64 bytes from 65.6.218.226: icmp_seq=15 ttl=64 time=0.588 ms
07:29 <spidey> 64 bytes from 65.6.218.226: icmp_seq=16 ttl=64 time=0.599 ms
07:29 <spidey> :)
07:29 <luke-jr> MrBougo: ping6 yokochan.dashjr.org
07:29 <luke-jr> spidey: maybe DSL > Cable there ;P
07:30 <spidey> spidey@hax:~$ ping6 yokochan.dashjr.org
07:30 <spidey> connect: Network is unreachable
07:30 <MrBougo> indeed
07:30 <luke-jr> I got 7-8 ms just to my default gateway
07:31 <luke-jr> spidey: that means your IPv6 is broken :p
07:31 <luke-jr> dig AAAA yokochan.dashjr.org
07:31 <MrBougo> 72.206.114.236
07:31 <spidey> ;; Query time: 161 msec
07:31 <spidey> lame
07:32 <Stewie-arma> stop that incessant chattering
07:32 <spidey> i'm not incest stewie :|
07:32 <MrBougo> lol Stewie-arma
07:32 <MrBougo> luke-jr: do you have an ipv4 address too?
07:32 <MrBougo> 72.206.114.236 ?
07:35 <MrBougo> i've never wondered how ipv6 can live with ipv4
07:36 <spidey> tunneling?
07:43 <luke-jr> MrBougo: yes
07:44 <luke-jr> why wouldn't IPv6 and IPv4 work on the same wire?
07:44 <luke-jr> MrBougo: you forgot the 'AAAA' part
07:51 <MrBougo> AAAA,
07:51 <MrBougo> ?*
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08:55 <epsy> bah
08:55 <epsy> can't sleep
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09:02 <luke-jr> MrBougo: dig AAAA yokochan.dashjr.org
09:02 <luke-jr> the AAAA is required to get the right result
09:03 <MrBougo> i used an online tool
09:03 <MrBougo> remember that im a lame winuser
09:03 <luke-jr> lame
09:03 <MrBougo> but ima get a dell vostro in 2 weeks
09:03 <MrBougo> install 2 kubuntu
09:03 <MrBougo> one testing :p
09:03 <luke-jr> what's that?
09:03 <MrBougo> and one windows
09:03 <MrBougo> dell vostro?
09:03 <luke-jr> lame
09:03 <luke-jr> yes
09:03 <MrBougo> it's a dell computer :p
09:03 <luke-jr> o
09:03 <luke-jr> one they support Ubuntu on?
09:04 <MrBougo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostro
09:04 <MrBougo> nope
09:04  * epsy sneezes
09:04 <MrBougo> the ubuntu laptops dont have 17" screens
09:04 <luke-jr> so ... you'll stay a windozeluser I guess
09:04 <MrBougo> epsy: i know, lenovo, blahblah
09:04 <luke-jr> Lenovo sucks too
09:04 <MrBougo> luke-jr: it will be in absolute need
09:04 <epsy> i really sneezed
09:04 <luke-jr> MrBougo: nah
09:04 <luke-jr> MrBougo: Ubuntu is really picky about hardware
09:04 <luke-jr> it probably doesn't *support* 17" screens
09:04 <MrBougo> i will remove the partition when i'l fully understand linux :p
09:05 <MrBougo> not fully but
09:05 <MrBougo> heh, it does
09:05 <MrBougo> ...
09:05 <epsy> MrBougo, ah, i just need a windwos user
09:05 <MrBougo> they've had tons of releases since 17" screens exist
09:05 <epsy> what font(s) do you see there: http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/tronicdonkeys/
09:05 <MrBougo> epsy: ?
09:05 <luke-jr> MrBougo: http://www.hscripts.com/tools/HDNT/dns-record.php
09:05 <MrBougo> arial epsy oO
09:06 <MrBougo> oh nicie luke-jr
09:06 <epsy> ok
09:06  * MrBougo bookmarks
09:06 <epsy> no, that's not a perm. site
09:06 <epsy> bah
09:06 <luke-jr> MrBougo: btw, Vostro seems to be totally untested on any Linux :p
09:06 <epsy> XD
09:06 <MrBougo> i saw some guys
09:06 <MrBougo> they installed linux on it with no problem
09:07 <MrBougo> it uses the same hardware as inspiron
09:07 <luke-jr> what model
09:07 <epsy> i hope for you that's true
09:07 <luke-jr> I have yet to find a PC that Ubuntu boots on :p
09:07 <MrBougo> dont remember
09:07 <MrBougo> it boots :/
09:07 <luke-jr> 1700 is 17"
09:08 <MrBougo> yup
09:08 <MrBougo> i think its this one
09:08 <luke-jr> be careful you only get "Standard Features"
09:09 <MrBougo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=521753
09:09 <MrBougo> and what are the advanced features?
09:11 <luke-jr> or rather, just make sure you stick with the Intel GMA X3100
09:11 <MrBougo> ?
09:11 <luke-jr> and probably not get the Wireless-N feature
09:11 <MrBougo> i dont need wireless N
09:11 <MrBougo> g is enough for me
09:11 <luke-jr> might want to research the 'G' ones to see which are supported
09:11 <luke-jr> Dell hides the real card type
09:12 <MrBougo> ?
09:14 <luke-jr> $2034 if I customized it :p
09:15 <MrBougo> ew
09:15 <MrBougo> which one?
09:15 <luke-jr> ?
09:15 <luke-jr> 1700
09:15 <MrBougo> you took some hardcore game laptop and added tons of memory?
09:15 <luke-jr> the laptop you're looking at, customized
09:15 <MrBougo> checked all the accesories checkboxes
09:15 <luke-jr> Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
09:15 <luke-jr> 4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz, 2 DIMM
09:15 <luke-jr> DUAL HARD DRIVES, 320G (2x 160) 5400RPM SATA hard drive
09:15 <luke-jr> 8X CD/DVD Burner w/ double-layer DVD+R write capability
09:15 <luke-jr> Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
09:15 <luke-jr> Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Wi-Fi Mini Card
09:16 <luke-jr> Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate), Vista
09:16 <luke-jr> Integrated 2.0 mega pixel Web Camera
09:16 <luke-jr> Integrated High Definition Audio
09:16 <luke-jr> 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
09:16 <MrBougo> hehe
09:16 <luke-jr> ☺
09:16 <MrBougo> i prefer a nvidia graphics
09:16 <luke-jr> ew
09:16 <luke-jr> 2D only
09:17 <MrBougo> ?
09:17 <luke-jr> nVidia is 2D in Linux
09:17 <MrBougo> :/
09:17 <luke-jr> Intel is *the* best ☺
09:17 <epsy> well
09:17 <MrBougo> yea
09:17 <luke-jr> epsy: stfu
09:17 <MrBougo> but nvidia isnt 2D
09:17 <epsy> some of them are the best
09:17 <luke-jr> it is in Linux
09:17 <epsy> like mine ^^
09:18 <epsy> man, 30 fps with 'normal' settings
09:18 <MrBougo> proof it luke-jr
09:18 <luke-jr> MrBougo: ...
09:18 <epsy> is that « good » ?
09:18 <MrBougo> hehe
09:18 <epsy> but i guess an i945 is way better
09:18 <epsy> but this time i want to see it from my eyes
09:19 <luke-jr> MrBougo: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
09:19 <luke-jr> MrBougo: that's the experimental in-development 3D support
09:19 <luke-jr> I don't think it works yet
09:19 <MrBougo> yea right
09:19 <luke-jr> 'Currently, there is some kind of 2D-support, and a very limited 3D support for extremely lucky developers'
09:19 <MrBougo> i had a nvidia card
09:19 <MrBougo> kind of old
09:19 <MrBougo> installed ubuntu to test
09:19 <MrBougo> and played that lame tux-in-the-snow game
09:19 <MrBougo> in 3D
09:20 <luke-jr> obviously 3D can use software if the card lacks suppotr
09:21 <luke-jr> actually, I don't think the latest Ubuntus are really Linux anymore
09:21 <luke-jr> they might have switched to the popular and illegal pseudo-Linux
09:21 <luke-jr> which does have 3D support for nVidia
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09:22 <MrBougo> bah luke you're boring
09:22 <luke-jr> MrBougo: ...
09:22 <luke-jr> IGP!
09:22 <MrBougo> ok, 'ill keep windows
09:22 <MrBougo> you won!
09:22 <MrBougo> one more win user!
09:22 <MrBougo> (i guess nvidia supports 3D accel with windows)
09:23 <luke-jr> but anything with Windows sucks
09:23 <luke-jr> :p
09:23 <MrBougo> hehe
09:23 <luke-jr> and spidey claims his illegal pseudo-Linux with nVidia has better performance than Windows did :p
09:23 <luke-jr> but IGP is the win
09:24 <luke-jr> "I recently went through the pain of loading UBUNTU on a Dell Vostro 1700"
09:24 <luke-jr> :p
09:24 <MrBougo> now hes trying to make me use ubuntu
09:24 <luke-jr> nah
09:24 <luke-jr> use Gentoo
09:24 <luke-jr> :p
09:24 <MrBougo> how many ISOs?
09:24 <luke-jr> uh
09:24 <luke-jr> 0-1
09:24 <luke-jr> if you need one, it'd be about 50 MB
09:25 <luke-jr> http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/2007.0/installcd/install-amd64-minimal-2007.0.iso
09:25 <luke-jr> 55 MB
09:25 <luke-jr> but if you already have a recent LiveCD, like an Ubuntu disc, that can work too ☺
09:27  * luke-jr pokes MrBougo
09:27 <luke-jr> he's in shock?
09:27 <luke-jr> or just doing some homework?
09:27 <MrBougo> or both
09:27 <MrBougo> nah im reading docs
09:28 <MrBougo> about the vostro and ubuntu
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09:28 <MrBougo> and it's less complicated than compiling arma
09:28 <MrBougo> oh wait that was a bad example
09:28 <luke-jr> lol
09:28 <MrBougo> j/k
09:28 <MrBougo> except on windows
09:28 <MrBougo> i once wanted to try
09:28 <luke-jr> HAHAHA
09:28 <MrBougo> i needed libs and libs and libs
09:29 <luke-jr> building Arma on Windows has to be a nightmare
09:29 <MrBougo> IT IS
09:29 <MrBougo> LIBS EVERYWHERE
09:29 <luke-jr> well, you have the libs thing on most Linux-based OS too
09:29 <MrBougo> i know
09:29 <MrBougo> linux rocks for dev
09:29 <luke-jr> err
09:29 <MrBougo> not only for dev
09:29 <luke-jr> what I'm saying is
09:29 <luke-jr> on ubuntu
09:29 <luke-jr> you'd need to get libs, and lib, and libs
09:29 <luke-jr> just like Windows
09:29 <MrBougo> i dont want to compile arma
09:29 <luke-jr> :p
09:30 <MrBougo> so what, i should use slackware as my first linux experience?
09:30 <luke-jr> no
09:30 <luke-jr> Gentoo
09:30 <MrBougo> :p
09:30 <DStar> indeed
09:30 <luke-jr> Gentoo is great for beginners
09:30 <epsy>  LOL!
09:30 <DStar> gentoo is great for everyone
09:30 <MrBougo> except me
09:30 <luke-jr> even if you move on to something else later
09:30 <MrBougo> ok luke, i'll try gentoo
09:30 <luke-jr> MrBougo: k, IM me if you have any questions
09:31 <luke-jr> if you use your Ubuntu LiveCD, I presume you have IM and IRC available if you need them
09:31 <luke-jr> so that's probably the best way to install
09:31 <luke-jr> like spidey did
09:31 <MrBougo> i have a desktop computer too heh
09:31 <luke-jr> o
09:31 <MrBougo> i wont shut it down :p
09:31 <luke-jr> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1
09:31 <luke-jr> that's the manual
09:32 <MrBougo> amd64?
09:32 <luke-jr> replace w/ x86 if yours is old
09:32 <luke-jr> Core 2 Duo would do amd64 tho
09:32 <MrBougo> old?
09:32 <MrBougo> wtf old
09:32 <MrBougo> lol
09:32 <luke-jr> lol
09:32 <MrBougo> oh nvm
09:32 <MrBougo> it's old
09:32 <luke-jr> my 3 year old system is amd64
09:32 <MrBougo> pentium 4 yuck
09:32 <luke-jr> EWW
09:33 <MrBougo> i think this one is 5-old
09:33 <DStar> ow xD
09:33 <MrBougo> THAT HURT
09:33 <luke-jr> amd64 might work, but DONT TRY IT
09:33 <MrBougo> err
09:33 <luke-jr> Pentium 4 ran 64-bit SLOW
09:33 <DStar> really?
09:33 <DStar> omfg...
09:33 <MrBougo> wait, im not talking about installing gentoo on my desktop pc
09:33 <MrBougo> my laptop will have a cor 2 duo, is it AMD64 too?
09:33 <MrBougo> i mean
09:33 <MrBougo> i know it isnt AMD
09:34 <DStar> but it's the same arch as an amd64
09:34 <MrBougo> The Core 2 brand refers to a range of Intel's consumer dual-core and quad-core (2x2) 64-bit x86-64 CPUs based on the Intel Core microarchitecture, which derived from the 32-bit dual-core Yonah laptop processor.
09:34 <MrBougo> mh
09:34 <MrBougo> seems to be x86
09:35 <luke-jr> Core2Duo should be fine for 64-bit
09:35 <DStar> core 2 is amd64
09:35 <MrBougo> how did spidey install his gentoo, luke-jr ?
09:35 <luke-jr> MrBougo: Ubuntu LiveCD
09:35 <MrBougo> wikipedia says that its x86
09:35 <MrBougo> so you can install gentoo from a ub livecd?
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09:36 <MrBougo> oh, i spelled "lovecd" on google
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09:37 <DStar> lol xD
09:37 <luke-jr> MrBougo: yes
09:37 <luke-jr> tho
09:37 <MrBougo> how do you do that
09:37 <luke-jr> amd64 Gentoo requires amd64 LiveCD too
09:37 <MrBougo> hehe
09:38 <DStar> or at least the kernel has to be amd64
09:38 <MrBougo> i have a kubuntu x86 livecd
09:38 <luke-jr> MrBougo: open a console and do the install
09:38 <luke-jr> ☺
09:38 <MrBougo> oh, thank you for your help, luke
09:38 <luke-jr> DStar: true
09:38 <luke-jr> MrBougo: did you rtfm? :P
09:38 <MrBougo> tfmygtm?
09:38 <luke-jr> ???
09:38 <MrBougo> it doesnt talk about isntalling from another livecd
09:39 <luke-jr> o
09:39 <DStar> because there is no actual difference
09:39 <luke-jr> DStar: yes there is
09:39 <luke-jr> 1 minor thing
09:39 <DStar> oh?
09:39 <luke-jr> you need to skip steps 1-3 :p
09:39 <DStar> /mnt/gentoo not exist?
09:39 <luke-jr> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap4
09:40 <luke-jr> that too, but mkdir is easy
09:40 <DStar> and it doesn't have to be /mnt/gentoo
09:40 <luke-jr> no
09:40 <luke-jr> I usually use /mnt/g
09:40 <DStar> i use whatever is there
09:40 <DStar> on the install that i'm currently doing it's /mnt/gentoo
09:40 <luke-jr> I don't really follow the manual strictly :p
09:40 <luke-jr> mount -t proc{,,} <-- fun
09:41 <DStar> what does the {,,} do?
09:41 <luke-jr> here's a hint:
09:41 <luke-jr> mv file{1,2,3,4} dir
09:41 <luke-jr> expands to:
09:41 <luke-jr> mv file1 file2 file3 file4 dir
09:41 <DStar> ah
09:41 <DStar> :D
09:42 <luke-jr> MrBougo: you should follow the manual strictly tho :p
09:42 <DStar> gotta see if my ultra 10 is all right
09:42 <luke-jr> wtf?
09:42 <luke-jr> speaking of which, I have 2 MIPS servers to mess with someitme
09:42 <DStar> i have 2 ultra 10s :P
09:42 <luke-jr> what arch?
09:42 <DStar> ultrasparc
09:43 <luke-jr> o
09:43 <DStar> http://dstar.ch/phpsysinfo
09:43 <luke-jr> trade you a MIPS for one
09:43 <luke-jr> I live diverse archs
09:43 <DStar> this is one of them
09:43 <DStar> and the other one is on bootstrap.sh atm
09:44 <luke-jr> heh
09:44 <luke-jr> I don't know how to install on my MIPS ones yet
09:44 <luke-jr> wait
09:44 <luke-jr> does SPARC still use stage1??
09:44 <DStar> i am doing a stage 1
09:44 <luke-jr> most Gentoo doesn't support stage1 anymore..
09:45 <DStar> i just do it anyway
09:45 <DStar> :P
09:45 <luke-jr> ...
09:45 <luke-jr> pointless
09:45 <luke-jr> hm
09:45 <luke-jr> I think I didn't shake the milk good enough ☹
09:45 <DStar> how off-topic xD
09:45 <DStar> but speaking of which... brb
09:46 <luke-jr> I'm not used to weird texture
09:46 <luke-jr> or whatever it is floating on top
09:46 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: wb
09:48 <DStar> i've got the feeling that something is wrong with the ultra 10
09:48 <DStar> again
09:48 <DStar> (the one i'm currently installing)
09:48 <DStar> can't ping it nomore :S
09:48 <MrBougo> mh
09:48 <luke-jr> :o
09:49 <DStar> that's the 3rd time this happens
09:49 <DStar> and it'd always happen while there is sorta heavy load
09:49 <DStar> guess it's dead :/
09:49 <luke-jr> that's one thing for sure
09:50 <luke-jr> Gentoo does tell you when the hardware's dead
09:50 <DStar> well maybe it says something on the screen
09:50 <luke-jr> MIPS don't have screens
09:50 <DStar> well... my ultra 10 has a monitor and a keyboard hooked up
09:50 <DStar> but it's in another room
09:50 <luke-jr> :p
09:50 <DStar> brb
09:50 <luke-jr> if it worked, I'd trade
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09:55 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: ty
09:56 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft:
09:56 <MrBougo> what graphics card do you use
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10:05 <DStar> luke-jr: there is stages for mips
10:05 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: iSomething
10:05 <luke-jr> DStar: I imagine
10:06 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: O.o
10:06 <wrtlprnft> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
10:06 <Bougo> wrtlprnft: aw
10:06 <DStar> ewww intel xD is that a laptop?
10:06 <luke-jr> DStar: ...
10:06 <wrtlprnft> yep
10:06 <luke-jr> Intel > *
10:06 <Bougo> wrtlprnft: and nvidia doest support 3D acceleration on linux?
10:06 <DStar> of course they do
10:06 <wrtlprnft> it does with a binary driver
10:06 <luke-jr> Bougo: that's not what I said
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10:06 <luke-jr> I said Linux doesn't support 3D acceleration for nVidia
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10:07 <MrBougo> :/
10:07 <MrBougo> yea sorry
10:07 <MrBougo> thats what i meant
10:07 <MrBougo> so it does with a bin driver
10:07 <MrBougo> ew
10:07 <MrBougo> so whats the problem luke
10:07 <luke-jr> if you use nVidia's stuff, you end up with an illegal pseudo-Linux that most people won't support
10:07 <MrBougo> :(
10:07 <wrtlprnft> well, if the opensource amd driver comes along the next card i'll buy will have an AMD graphics card
10:08 <DStar> illegal?
10:08 <MrBougo> yea, how is it illegal
10:08 <wrtlprnft> *the next computer
10:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: the open source ATi driver already works nicely, tho not as good as Intel's
10:08 <MrBougo> anything installing on linux should be open source?
10:08 <luke-jr> MrBougo: same way downloading most movies is illegal
10:08 <MrBougo> huh
10:08 <luke-jr> Linux is copyrighted
10:08  * wrtlprnft uses opera and is happy with it
10:08 <MrBougo> so it's copyrighted
10:08 <MrBougo> oh
10:08 <MrBougo> but im downloading linux
10:08 <MrBougo> then installing stuff on it
10:09 <MrBougo> that's the purpose of an OS, isnt it?
10:09 <luke-jr> MrBougo: you are granted permission to distribute and derive from Linux under certain conditions
10:09 <luke-jr> nVidia violates those conditions
10:09 <MrBougo> and if i derive for personal use?
10:09 <luke-jr> same conditions apply
10:09 <MrBougo> heh
10:09 <MrBougo> and how is it derived
10:09 <luke-jr> but "personal use" generally doesn't involve distribution
10:09 <luke-jr> which is all the restrictions are
10:10 <luke-jr> MrBougo: Linux isn't a microkernel, it's monolithic
10:10 <MrBougo> is it a driver or a patch?
10:10 <luke-jr> all hardware support is part of a single whole program
10:10 <luke-jr> eg, there are no real drivers
10:10 <wrtlprnft> it's not totally accepted that nvidia's driver is illegal
10:10 <luke-jr> "drivers" for Linux are patches
10:10 <wrtlprnft> infact linus thinks it's not IIRC
10:10 <MrBougo> bah, i'll be illegal, full stop
10:10 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it is by all IP lawyers and most kernel developers
10:10 <MrBougo> i'll blame nvidia
10:10 <luke-jr> MrBougo: nVidia is liable anyway
10:10 <luke-jr> they uploaded it to you
10:10 <MrBougo> yup
10:10 <wrtlprnft> as long as you have a GPL'd module that just uses an external prorietary binary
10:10 <luke-jr> but good luck if you need support ☺
10:10 <MrBougo> i'm a poor user
10:11 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: that's not legal
10:11 <MrBougo> hehe
10:11 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: GPL'd code cannot use an external blob
10:11 <MrBougo> huh
10:11 <wrtlprnft> sure it can
10:11 <DStar> wrtlprnft: it is not GPL'd
10:11 <MrBougo> haha
10:11 <DStar> only parts of it are
10:11 <wrtlprnft> otherwise you wouldn't be able to write GPL'd apps for windows
10:11 <DStar> or really.. only parts are open source
10:11 <luke-jr> DStar: it must be
10:11 <MrBougo> so theres the guy who says everybody's wrong
10:11 <DStar> and not GPL'd at all
10:12 <MrBougo> the two guys who have different visions of GPL
10:12 <MrBougo> and the noob
10:12 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: the GPL makes an exception for parts included with the OS, IIRC
10:12 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: otherwise you couldn't
10:12  * wrtlprnft never read about such an exception
10:13 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: Windows binaries for GPL'd apps are illegal most of the time anyway
10:13 <luke-jr> nobody bothers to enforce it, is all
10:13 <wrtlprnft> well, there's no point
10:13 <luke-jr> technically, on Windows the compiler is considered "source code" because it's not included with the OS
10:15 <wrtlprnft> anyways, with amd releasing their specs nvidia will at some point be forced to do so, too
10:15 <DStar> i still don't get why using an external module in the linux kernel should be wrong...
10:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: probably
10:15 <luke-jr> nVidia has an interesting history
10:15 <luke-jr> DStar: there is no such thing as an external module in the linux kernel
10:15 <luke-jr> Linux is monolithic
10:15 <luke-jr> it is a single program
10:15 <luke-jr> modules are just binary patches
10:16 <DStar> yeah and now tell me
10:16 <DStar> what is wrong with a module that is not compiled from the source of the kernel?
10:16 <luke-jr> what module is not?
10:16 <DStar> the nvidia kernel driver...
10:16 <luke-jr> nope
10:17 <luke-jr> it uses internal Linux symbols/code
10:17 <wrtlprnft> kernel modules can be written without modifying linux's source code
10:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: not without deriving from Linux's source code
10:17 <wrtlprnft> which makes them external enough for me
10:18 <luke-jr> there is a way nVidia could work around the GPL's restrictions
10:18 <wrtlprnft> if you write a GPL'd module that implements an API, some sort of standard
10:18 <luke-jr> but they don't do it
10:18 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: there is no such API
10:18 <luke-jr> the only APIs Linux has are for userspace
10:18 <wrtlprnft> everything can use that API without deriving from GPLd code
10:19 <luke-jr> ah, if you added such an API
10:19 <luke-jr> then yes
10:19 <luke-jr> that's the workaround
10:19 <luke-jr> but as of right now, there is no such piece
10:19 <wrtlprnft> i think nvidia is doing that
10:19 <luke-jr> and the Linux developers have stated they would reject it
10:19 <luke-jr> no
10:19 <luke-jr> there is no standard/API they use
10:19 <wrtlprnft> well, what does the opensource part of nvidia's driver do, then?
10:19 <luke-jr> and even if there was, they would need to distribute the binary .o and source code wrapper individually
10:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it interfaces with interal Linux functions and internal nVidia functions
10:20 <luke-jr> if nVidia put an API in between, they'd have a way out
10:20 <luke-jr> like NDISWrapper
10:20 <luke-jr> but as-is, the current nVidia drivers are illegal
10:20 <wrtlprnft> oh, NDISWrapper is legal, then?
10:21 <luke-jr> NDISwrapper itself is legal
10:21 <wrtlprnft> anyways, /me doesn't care too much if it's legal. I just hope that the linux kernel developers aren't like the content industry
10:21 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: Linus already veto'd it
10:21 <luke-jr> tho I wish he hadn't
10:22 <MrBougo> veto'd what?
10:22 <luke-jr> a patch added a warning of an impending disallow of loading non-GPL modules in 2008
10:22 <luke-jr> to make it technically harder to load illegal code
10:22 <wrtlprnft> which is stupid
10:22 <luke-jr> no
10:22 <DStar> i agree with wrtlprnft
10:23 <DStar> it is stupid
10:23 <wrtlprnft> just would mean that the vanilla kernel becomes useless
10:23 <luke-jr> no
10:23 <luke-jr> it means we can at least pretend the nVidia modules don't exist
10:23 <wrtlprnft> and i'd have to patch it all the time to remove that stupid restriction
10:23 <luke-jr> even if everyone is too chicken to sue
10:23 <luke-jr> better no code from nVidia than binary code
10:23 <wrtlprnft> not much better than DRM crap and nothing to do with freedom IMHO
10:24 <DStar> luke-jr: if everyone's too chicken to sue, why don't you?
10:24 <luke-jr> DStar: I don't own the relevant copyrights
10:24  * wrtlprnft wants to have the freedom to load whatever he wants into his kernel
10:24  * wrtlprnft thinks that's a Good Thing
10:24 <MrBougo> yup
10:24 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: and you can; but that doesn't mean upstream will make it easy
10:24 <MrBougo> agreed
10:25 <luke-jr> especially when your loading that crap makes it impossible for them to debug any problems you have
10:25 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: well, anyone is free to distribute a patched kernel removing that restriction, as long as the patch is GPL'd
10:25 <luke-jr> maybe if people understood that and didn't go bugging developers for support, it'd be tolerable
10:25 <MrBougo> hehe wrtlprnft
10:25 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: yes
10:25 <MrBougo> so why would they do such a kernel
10:25 <MrBougo> a readme file is enough :(
10:26 <luke-jr> MrBougo: because people don't read readme
10:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: so do you think any major distro would include an unpatched kernel?
10:26 <luke-jr> join #xorg and watch for people asking for help with nVidia's drivers
10:26 <MrBougo> but they are supposed to do
10:26 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no clue, probably RedHat
10:26 <luke-jr> they removed MP3 support
10:26 <MrBougo> i've installed some nvidia driver
10:26 <MrBougo> i dont remember having any problem
10:26 <wrtlprnft> making it harder for people to use their product with their hardware?
10:26 <luke-jr> MrBougo: most people don't give it time w/o the blob
10:26 <wrtlprnft> MP3 is different x_X
10:27 <luke-jr> not really
10:27 <luke-jr> MP3 is political
10:27 <luke-jr> the only reason is to push Vorbis
10:27 <wrtlprnft> bs
10:27 <MrBougo> yea, we're talking about mp3s
10:27 <MrBougo> and next we're gonna talk about the music industry
10:27 <MrBougo> then about racism
10:28 <wrtlprnft> then about terrorism
10:28 <luke-jr> yeah
10:28 <wrtlprnft> then about evolution
10:28 <luke-jr> those stinkin Jews
10:28 <luke-jr> :p
10:28 <MrBougo> what about big bang
10:28 <luke-jr> not even evolutionists follow big bang anymore, do they?
10:28 <DStar> or about religious fanatics
10:28 <DStar> oh wait we already did that all the time
10:28 <MrBougo> damn, it works!
10:28 <luke-jr> DStar: fanatics are good
10:28 <MrBougo> we arent talking about kernels anymore!
10:29 <DStar> luke-jr: extremism and fanatism is NOT good...
10:29 <epsy> #quote add <luke-jr> fanatics are good
10:29 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.  Quote #60 added.
10:29 <luke-jr> fanaticus - inspired by a deity
10:29 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: i like cashew kernels
10:29 <luke-jr> I like sunflower kernels
10:29 <luke-jr> they make my poop icky tho
10:29 <luke-jr> :p
10:30 <DStar> everyone wanted to know that
10:30 <luke-jr> lol
10:30 <MrBougo> haha wrtlprnft
10:30 <wrtlprnft> let's talk about poo!
10:30 <MrBougo> ew
10:30 <MrBougo> i actually do too
10:30 <MrBougo> omg no, cashew kernels
10:30 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: real poo or sham poo?
10:30 <MrBougo> or poo made of cashew kernels
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10:31 <MrBougo> poor guy
10:31 <luke-jr> LOL
10:31 <wrtlprnft> isn't sham poo something evil like sunscreen?
10:31 <MrBougo> he was too hungry
10:31 <MrBougo> then we talked about poo
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10:31 <MrBougo> he couldnt resist
10:31 <luke-jr> aww he d/c before I could /invite
10:31 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: is it?
10:31 <wrtlprnft> probably is
10:32 <wrtlprnft> if sunscreen is evil, how can sham poo not be?
10:32 <luke-jr> I suspect they are totally different chemicals...
10:32 <wrtlprnft> not that i believe that either of them are evil
10:33 <luke-jr> well, obviously neither are *evil*
10:33 <luke-jr> I presumed you meant "unhealthy"
10:35 <luke-jr> btw wrtlprnft
10:35 <wrtlprnft> not really
10:35 <luke-jr> plz say ...
10:35 <luke-jr> with a single character
10:35 <wrtlprnft> …
10:35 <luke-jr> ☹
10:35 <luke-jr> it doesn't show up
10:35 <wrtlprnft> does any other utf8 char show up?
10:36 <wrtlprnft> euro: € pi: π
10:36 <luke-jr> most
10:36 <luke-jr> ☺
10:36 <wrtlprnft> maybe your font doesn't have it
10:36 <wrtlprnft> which sort of sucks
10:36 <wrtlprnft> use dejavu
10:36 <luke-jr> does it look like DOS?
10:37 <wrtlprnft> not really
10:37 <wrtlprnft> but there's a monospaced version (which i'm using right now as i'm using irssi in a konsole)
10:38 <luke-jr> ☹
10:38 <wrtlprnft> old screenshot: http://wrtlrpnft.ath.cx/irssieyes.png
10:38 <luke-jr> Unknown host wrtlrpnft.ath.cx
10:38 <epsy> *-r
10:39 <luke-jr> Unknown host wrtlprnft.ath.cx
10:39 <luke-jr> err
10:39 <luke-jr> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/irssieyes.png
10:39 <luke-jr> err
10:39 <luke-jr> yeah
10:39 <luke-jr> kinda ugly
10:42 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/snapshot18.png
10:42 <luke-jr> …
10:42 <luke-jr> wtf
10:42 <luke-jr> changing to DejaVu, then back makes the characters show up?
10:44 <wrtlprnft> eek, unantialiased
10:45 <luke-jr> it doesn't need antialiasing :p
10:45 <luke-jr> i think it's a bitmap font :p
10:46 <wrtlprnft> which means it's not scalable
10:46 <luke-jr> IRC is a single size
10:46 <luke-jr> as are terminals
10:47 <luke-jr> and yes, this font only has 1 size option :p
10:47  * wrtlprnft likes to chose this size
10:50 <luke-jr> well, my font making friend
10:50 <luke-jr> please port this font to TTF :P
10:51 <MrBougo> heh, that xampp thingy rocks
10:51 <luke-jr> …
10:52 <MrBougo> :p
10:52 <epsy> luke-jr is doing bandwidth saves
10:52 <MrBougo> xD
10:52 <luke-jr> epsy: I am?
10:53 <epsy> yes, that's 2B in utf and ... is 3
10:53  * luke-jr notes … uses 3 bytes
10:53 <luke-jr> in utf8
10:53 <MrBougo> ...
10:53 <epsy> ...
10:53 <MrBougo> …
10:53 <epsy> …
10:53 <MrBougo> so both ... and … use 3 bytes
10:53 <luke-jr> … = e2 80 a6
10:53 <MrBougo> whats wrong
10:53 <MrBougo> is it?
10:54 <luke-jr> yes
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10:55 <MrBougo> whoopsy
10:55 <MrBougo> pressed ctrl w instead of ctrl x
10:55 <epsy> #tea
10:55 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: No online players.
10:55 <epsy> gah
10:55 <epsy> #onlineservers
10:55 <armabot> epsy: This data is 35 seconds old; Bugfarm Elimination Sumo (7/16), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (6/10), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (5/14), Norm's Place (5/12), NIXDA.NET - CLASSIC (3/16), ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L an d | ¬ (3/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (3/12), Wild West  =Team Sumo= (2/14), The YELLOW Submarine (2/16)
10:55 <MrBougo> bye all
10:55 <luke-jr> y
10:55 <MrBougo> have a nice day
10:55 <luke-jr> WHY
10:56 <luke-jr> epsy: CHF?
10:58 <epsy> hm?
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10:59 <luke-jr> epsy: is that your currency?
11:00  * luke-jr just added CHF and GBP to his pricelist
11:01 <epsy> my currency is euro -.-
11:03 <luke-jr> o
11:03 <luke-jr> :p
11:03  * luke-jr thought someone here had some other weird currency
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11:38 <epsy> hm
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12:35 <epsy> hmm
12:35 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/tronicdonkeys/index.php?c=1
12:35 <epsy> if there's one comment, everything's k
12:35 <epsy> when there's more, a warning shows up
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12:43 <epsy> any clue ?
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13:02 <epsy> nvm
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14:19 <MrBougo> i love it
14:19 <MrBougo> awesome
14:19 <MrBougo> 220 megs into a 20 megs 7z
14:19 <MrBougo> :D
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14:46 <noob13> Yo, im having noob troubles with my ctf server install..
14:46 <noob13> basically im following the guide on the wiki and the forum
14:47 <noob13> got to the point where im instructed to patch the code, using patch -p0 < pigsty-061021.patch
14:47 <noob13> and now im asked to point to the files to patch...
14:47 <noob13> but...which?
14:48 <noob13> help appreciated, confusion is strong :)
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15:25 <epsy> noob13, what's the output?
15:25 <epsy> err has someone here IE7?
15:27 <noob13> well i tried skipping the problematic step, and the results weren't pretty
15:27 <epsy> heh
15:27 <epsy> what version are you trying to patch?
15:29 <noob13> hehe, i just owned it... epsy u bring me luck! :)
15:29 <noob13> ty ty ty...
15:29 <epsy> lol
15:29 <noob13> ill get back to ya if i get stuck, again :)
15:29 <epsy> k
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15:39 <noob13> apparently i didnt get too far :P next step, generating the configure script with bootstrap.sh fails
15:39 <epsy> output ?
15:45 <noob13> the output is quite huge, not going to paste it here...
15:46 <noob13> basically stuff like this automake: src/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `thirdparty/binreloc/prefix.h' is in subdirectory
15:46 <noob13> and this: Makefile.am:31: bad macro name `destdir.inst3'
15:46 <noob13> Makefile.am:36: invalid variable `nobase_dist_language_DATA'
15:46  * kidanger part quelques minutes
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15:58 <epsy> o_O
16:03 <noob13> yep.
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16:35 <noob13> can anyone tell me why i get this: http://flamer.dyndns.biz/output.txt
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16:58 <ghableska> #weather 50266
16:58 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.5°F (9:58 AM CDT on September 23, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Falling).
17:03 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
17:03 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 72.3°F (9:41 AM CDT on September 23, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa (Rising).  Air pollution watch level Orange in effect for today...
17:05 <spidey> #weather 38256
17:05 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 80.8°F (10:06 AM CDT on September 23, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Falling).
17:15 <spidey> anyone here decent with hardware?
17:17 <paleman> #weather helsinki
17:17 <armabot> paleman: The current temperature in Helsinki Malmi, Finland is 57.2°F (5:56 PM EEST on September 23, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
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17:59 <noob13> ok i got further with my problem after installing a different version of automake
17:59 <noob13> now im stuck, again.
17:59 <spidey> for tron?
17:59 <noob13> trying to get ctf server working, yea
18:00 <spidey> you need
18:00 <spidey> version 1.9.6
18:00 <spidey> afaik luci said other versions don't work when compiling tron
18:00 <spidey> i compile the FA servers just fine with 1.9.6
18:00 <noob13> yea, figured that out eventually
18:01 <noob13> now...
18:01 <noob13> after ./configure no makefile is found. Stop.
18:01 <spidey> if you want, i can just send you our binary :P
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18:01 <noob13> hmm...
18:01 <noob13> maybe that could help...
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18:02 <noob13> would you know why "./configure --prefix=${HOME} --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts" doesnt work tho
18:02 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/ctfbin.tar
18:03 <spidey> i use --prefix=servername --disable-glout --disable sysinstall
18:03 <spidey> works for me
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18:04 <spidey> maybe it's the ${HOME} ?
18:04 <spidey> afaik you need another dir
18:05 <spidey> like ${HOME}/server
18:06 <noob13> true that helped :)
18:06 <noob13> thanks...
18:06 <noob13> thou now i've got a new problem :P
18:06 <noob13> configure: error: Fatal error: the libxml2 configuration script xml2-config does not work/exist.
18:07 <noob13> and apparently doesnt wanna be installed
18:10 <noob13> also get a relocation error when running ur binary
18:12 <noob13> oh why must i be so noob?
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18:59 <wrtlprnft> noob13: are you sure you installed libxml2-dev or some similarily named package?
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19:05 <noob13> wrtlprnft: excellent, that helped :) "libxml2-dev" did the trick
19:05 <noob13> thanks
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19:19 <spidey> relocation error?
19:20 <spidey> might be because of the way i install te servers
19:20 <spidey> i install it with all the files in one dir
19:20 <spidey> which reminds me
19:20 <spidey> when we move servers, i have to recompile 2 tremulous, and 5 tron servers
19:20 <spidey> :|
19:29 <noob13> yay, so i got it installed!
19:29 <noob13> one final nooby question, which is the executable that will spark up the server?
19:29 <noob13> :P
19:30 <noob13> i made such a mess when installing this...
19:30 <noob13> one could say confusion has prevailed
19:31 <spidey> ?
19:31 <spidey> where do you install it?
19:31 <spidey> it'll be in
19:31 <noob13> :O
19:31 <spidey> ${HOME}/server/bin/armagetronad-server
19:31 <spidey> assuming you installed it in /server
19:31 <spidey> no
19:31 <spidey> armagetronad-dedicated
19:32 <noob13> ah yes, thank you
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19:33 <spidey> configs will be
19:33 <noob13> and the settings are in the config dir?
19:33 <spidey> ${HOME}/server/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated/
19:33 <spidey> afaik
19:33 <MrBougo> afayk
19:33 <spidey> yup
19:34 <spidey> that be where they are
19:34 <noob13> so ehm, so should i make an autoexec like usually?
19:34 <spidey> yea
19:34 <spidey> server_info.cfg
19:34 <spidey> settings_custom.cfg
19:34 <spidey> etc
19:34 <noob13> i see, great...
19:34 <spidey> autoexec.cfg loads something "every" round
19:35 <spidey> so normally you'd want to put settings in settings_custom
19:35 <noob13> good to know, cheers
19:37 <spidey> xfiles ftw
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20:31 <epsy> #lastseen g5
20:31 <armabot> epsy: G5 has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 55 minutes ago.
20:31 <epsy> #lastseen phant
20:31 <armabot> epsy: ~|DS|~Phantom has last been seen on ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} 47 minutes ago.
20:31 <epsy> #lastseen pixel
20:31 <armabot> epsy: °¯pixel has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 day 21 hours 22 minutes ago.
20:31 <epsy> #tea
20:31 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (13/32): (mo) SpinAce, ?bottlesofbeer, Bip, CrazyFoo, featherfcuk, GNOME, hoop, miGhty°aALLs, USA|Gazelle, ~*<y<lo*~, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ~|DS|~Slash, ¦Ö¦Lazer
20:32 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
20:32 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 84.9°F (1:33 PM CDT on September 23, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.26 in 990.7 hPa (Falling).  Air pollution watch level Orange in effect for today...
20:36 <noob13> what would be the map_file that ctf server usually uses?
20:37 <noob13> or why is it that my server doesnt have a flags or zones?
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20:45 <luke-jr> noob13: CTF doesn't work on a standard server
20:45 <luke-jr> noob13: it requires 0.2.8-pig
20:46 <noob13> yep that i am aware of...
20:46 <noob13> and ive got it installed...
20:47 <noob13> just not exactly sure how to set it up properly...
20:48 <wrtlprnft> noob13: yw
20:48 <noob13> wrtlprnft: what does that mean?
20:49 <wrtlprnft> you're welcoome
20:49 <wrtlprnft> -o
20:49 <wrtlprnft> sort of late, i know
20:49 <noob13> ah, hehe...
20:51 <wrtlprnft> there should be an example config file somewhere i think
20:51 <wrtlprnft> for CTF, that is
20:53 <noob13> actually the example config dir only contains these: breakfast_in_hell.cfg, death_zone.cfg, health_is_wall_length.cfg, teamsumo.cfg, cvs_test, fortress_soccer.cfg, single_use_turbo.cfg
20:56 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:57 <wrtlprnft> anyways, you can just create a map yourself :)
20:58 <wrtlprnft> you need to add two fortresses and a <Zone effect="flag">
20:58 <wrtlprnft> err, two of them :)
21:07 <spidey> aye
21:07 <spidey> it be
21:07 <spidey> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml <-- there ya go noob13
21:09 <spidey> resource_repository_server http://fallin-angels.org/arma/
21:09 <spidey> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml
21:09 <noob13> wrtlprnft: i dont know how to make maps, but thanks... perhaps one of these days ill try ;)
21:09 <spidey> you can use that if you want
21:09 <noob13> :)
21:09 <noob13> cool, i will try those!
21:10 <wrtlprnft> spidey: your repository is missing the DTD
21:10 <spidey> hm
21:10 <spidey> no it's not
21:10 <spidey> it's in /var/www/AATeam
21:10 <spidey> 'er
21:11 <spidey> it's in /var/www/arma/AATeam
21:11 <wrtlprnft> http://fallin-angels.org/arma/Your_mom/dtd/
21:11 <wrtlprnft> looks quite empty to me
21:11 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/arma/AATeam
21:11 <spidey> i couldn't get the dtd to download if i put it anywhere else
21:11 <spidey> so putting it there worked for me
21:12 <wrtlprnft> the map file wants Your_mom/dtd/map-0.2.8.0_pig2.dtd
21:12 <wrtlprnft> it may work for you, but only because you already downloaded that file from somewhere
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21:12 <spidey> ok so i need to add a 2 at the end of pig?
21:12 <wrtlprnft> right now it will block out clients that haven't been on a CTF server before
21:13 <spidey> fixed i think
21:13 <wrtlprnft> it should work now
21:14 <spidey> you any good with hardware? :p
21:14 <noob13> i can't enter my server :P
21:15 <spidey> y?
21:15 <noob13> with the new map_file and resource_repository_server....
21:15 <noob13> i dont know
21:15 <spidey> try it again, i just fixed it
21:15 <noob13> ok
21:15 <wrtlprnft> spidey: not really
21:15 <spidey> =/
21:16 <wrtlprnft> mastercontrolprogram.de O_O
21:16 <spidey> would you know if ddr400 can underclock to ddr333?
21:16 <noob13> nice moves, works now :D
21:16 <wrtlprnft> not at all, sorry
21:16 <spidey> :(
21:16  * wrtlprnft hates installing RAM
21:17 <wrtlprnft> or trying to figure out which kind of RAM to get
21:17 <spidey> installing it is easy if the box isn't small
21:17 <spidey> figuring out if it's compatible is differne =/
21:17 <spidey> different*
21:19 <wrtlprnft> that site's even got a link to mine o_O
21:19 <spidey> wrtlprnft: doesn't opera dow rows of tabs. if it's to long for the browser?
21:19 <spidey> mine isn't doing it =/
21:20 <spidey> they just keep getting smaller xD
21:20 <wrtlprnft> dow?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> anyways, right click→customize
21:20 <wrtlprnft> then change “wrapping” to whatever you like
21:21 <wrtlprnft> you can't say how many rows you want, though :(
21:21 <spidey> hrm
21:21 <spidey> do i have to restart it?
21:21 <wrtlprnft> no
21:22 <wrtlprnft> it should do it instantly
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21:22 <wrtlprnft> in fact it does it even before you click ok
21:23 <spidey> weird
21:23 <spidey> what version you using?
21:24 <paleman> why does my cycle_walls_length keep resetting to -1 every round?
21:25 <spidey> ah i see
21:25 <spidey> i was right clicking the wrong area
21:28 <wrtlprnft> 9.23
21:28 <spidey> same
21:28 <wrtlprnft> got a 9.50 alpha, too, but it's still too alpha for me
21:29 <luke-jr> paleman: because cycle_walls_length is an internal value, not a configuration option
21:29 <freako> litlle question i get an new pc wednesday, how do i limit my fps with vsync?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> paleman: use WALLS_LENGTH and SP_WALLS_LENGTH
21:29 <wrtlprnft> #cfg cycle_walls_length
21:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_WALLS_LENGTH: cycle_walls_length_help (default: -1)
21:29 <luke-jr> …
21:30 <wrtlprnft> hmm, the help text doesn't even warn the user :(
21:30 <epsy> #lastseen phantom
21:30 <armabot> epsy: ~|DS|~Phantom has last been seen on ~"XzL.Clan The Server 15 minutes ago.
21:30 <epsy> meh
21:31 <spidey> #lastseen spidey
21:31 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=15971&highlight=vsync
21:31 <armabot> spidey: timed out
21:31 <spidey> wow
21:31 <spidey> it's been that long?
21:31 <spidey> #lastseen --help
21:31 <spidey> #help lastseen
21:31 <armabot> spidey: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
21:31 <epsy>  "help lastseen
21:31 <armabot> spidey: timed out
21:32 <spidey> wrtlprnft: what args can i use?
21:32 <freako> help lastseen
21:32 <epsy> freako, #
21:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey: none really
21:32 <spidey> k
21:32 <wrtlprnft> you can use #lastseen -f <name>
21:32 <freako> #lastseen psyko
21:32 <armabot> freako: ~*SP*~PsYkO has last been seen on Fortress Café 57 minutes ago.
21:32 <wrtlprnft> that will search for the exact name, not part of it
21:32 <epsy> |FA| Spidey has last been seen on Swampland II 9 days 3 hours 37 minutes ago.
21:32 <epsy> :P
21:32 <freako> oh ok
21:33 <spidey> i never played swampland after i left mbc...
21:33 <spidey> #lastseen spidey |mbc|
21:33 <spidey> #lastseen -f spidey |mbc|
21:33 <armabot> spidey: timed out
21:33 <freako> #lastseen |DS|freako
21:33 <armabot> spidey: timed out
21:34 <armabot> freako: timed out
21:34 <spidey> #lastseen -f |FA| Spidey
21:34 <freako> #lastseen xirus
21:34 <armabot> spidey: timed out
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21:34 <armabot> freako: timed out
21:34 <beta_USA> #serverinfo wild
21:34 <armabot> beta_USA: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (10/14): (-.-)Black, Bloody_Scroach, ChiCho, Cloneing, hulett, Izzy, Pink Tomatoes, Szopin, [noclan] JC, ~*SP*~Sasha
21:34 <beta_USA> #serverinfo west
21:34 <G5_Ger> #tea
21:35 <armabot> beta_USA: Wild West  =Capture The Flag=: Players (9/10): Blahmonkey, Czar, Dimitrio, Gwt2, matthew, moth, oMeGaTrOn, RAZIEL VENGADOR, |SnYpErZ|Champ
21:35 <armabot> G5_Ger: Fortress Café: No online players.
21:35 <beta_USA> #serverinfo USA
21:35 <freako> #lol much info here, didnt know it was so much :P
21:35 <armabot> beta_USA: USA CTF practice server: No online players.
21:35 <wrtlprnft> ah, great, café is empty. finally i can emerge sync
21:35 <beta_USA> hehe
21:35 <beta_USA> a prod server on gentoo. XD
21:35 <freako> wrtl cafe has some probs
21:35 <wrtlprnft> :P
21:36 <epsy> lol wrtl
21:36 <wrtlprnft> i know it lags sometimes
21:36 <freako> fort cafe has some Ping spikes that last for half hours sometimes then everybody gets ping 2x
21:36  * epsy is still loading http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=-f+spidey+|mbc|
21:37 <beta_USA> That's the use for "SERVER_OPTIONS" ? I left the "All settings at default values." But i'm not sure what to do with it right now.
21:37 <spidey> lol
21:37 <spidey> that's the description of the server
21:37 <spidey> :P
21:37 <epsy> haha freako
21:38 <freako> :P
21:38 <spidey> back when i played tron
21:38 <spidey> i got 150~ ping on cafe
21:38 <spidey> which luke says is impossible
21:38 <spidey> :P
21:38 <freako> i got 175 normal it 50/60
21:38 <wrtlprnft> freako: i don't know the cause…
21:38 <luke-jr> spidey: heck, I don't know that your ISP ping is possible
21:38 <wrtlprnft> there's just two cronjobs
21:38 <spidey> luke-jr: you saw it...
21:38 <spidey> want to ssh and try it yourself? :P
21:39 <luke-jr> I saw you paste it
21:39 <luke-jr> :p
21:39 <luke-jr> fine
21:39 <beta_USA> Yes i know but what's the use for that ^^ I mean on the server list i have the players, the version and the URI (i don't know that's the use of that last one either tought :p) Then does people see this message ?
21:39 <spidey> info's the same as it is on gentoo
21:39 <luke-jr> different SSH host key
21:39 <luke-jr> and what IP?
21:39 <spidey> yea
21:39 <spidey> um
21:39 <spidey> sec
21:39 <wrtlprnft> one running every 5 minutes to upload some 10KB of stuff within the same provider's network
21:39 <spidey> 5.6.218.226
21:39 <spidey> 65.6.218.226
21:39 <luke-jr> and I don't remember your passwords
21:39 <wrtlprnft> and one every hour running an rsync to luke's server, but that only runs for a minute or so
21:40 <freako> #lastseen psyko
21:40 <armabot> freako: ~*SP*~PsYkO has last been seen on Fortress Café 1 hour 5 minutes ago.
21:40 <freako> #lastseen fofo
21:40 <armabot> freako: ¦×¥ FoFo has last been seen on Bugfarm Elimination Sumo 1 minute ago.
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21:46 <spidey_> ...
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21:46 <spidey> luke-jr: wtf'd you do?
21:46 <spidey> luke-jr: wtf'd you do?
21:46 <luke-jr> ..
21:46 <luke-jr> ping
21:47 <luke-jr> then it died
21:47 <spidey> ...
21:47 <luke-jr> …
21:47 <luke-jr> did it again
21:47 <luke-jr> piece of junk network you got
21:47 <spidey> what was that router ip i posted?
21:47 <luke-jr> ?
21:49 <spidey> #ping
21:49 <armabot> pong
21:50 <wrtlprnft> 21:39 <spidey> 5.6.218.226
21:50 <wrtlprnft> 21:39 <spidey> 65.6.218.226
21:51 <wrtlprnft> if that helps
21:52 <spidey> um
21:52 <spidey> luke-jr: it doesn't drop out for me...
21:52 <spidey> you're breaking something
21:52 <spidey> :D
21:53 <spidey> what exactly are you doing?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ~/.bash_history
21:53 <wrtlprnft> not foolproof, but gives a good indication
21:56 <spidey> hm
21:56 <spidey> doesn't show anything =/
21:58 <noob13> spidey: any chance i could see ur ctf settings?
21:59 <spidey> it's huge
21:59 <spidey> but sure
21:59 <noob13> its working, but it has issues all around
21:59 <noob13> the cycle settings and team settings are the main ones i need...
22:00 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/settings_custom.cfg
22:00 <spidey> and
22:01 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.org/server_info.cfg
22:01 <noob13> thanks alot :)
22:04 <spidey> afaik
22:04 <spidey> if you disable flag blinking
22:04 <spidey> it should help with the lag at the end of rounds
22:05 <spidey> #last --from luke-jr --with router
22:05 <armabot> spidey: [07:26:44] <luke-jr> best I can tell, 65.83.239.23 is your closest router on your ISP
22:06 <spidey> it seems the ping is higher today
22:06 <spidey> o.o
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=191902#191902
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
22:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: timed out
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22:26 <G5_Ger> #tea
22:26 <armabot> G5_Ger: Fortress Café: No online players.
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23:32 <Gursikh> Is there a way to dump all current running settings to a file?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> nope
23:38 <Gursikh> or to output them on consoel so I can grab them?
23:38 <Gursikh> been playing with setting in console and I think I got them how I want them
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think there's a way to output them as a group
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> with a script setup properly, you could determine your settings by induction
23:40 <Gursikh> awww
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> another way is to take a client configured with only default settings, join the server, and take a screenie of the red setting text as you join
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> there's a reason I always suggest making sure your changes get put in everytime.cfg while you're experimenting :)
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> or to instead put INCLUDE settings_custom.cfg into everytime.cfg
23:41 <Gursikh> lame :-( , and lack of tab-complete is somehow also very annoying
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> just press enter instead
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> you'll get a list of choices
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> but you have to type in from scratch again, of course
23:42 <Gursikh> yeah
23:45 <spidey> why am i having problems getting tremulous's output to pipe to a file instead of spam my screen :|
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23:57 <Gursikh> I <3 tremulous console
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: maybe it outputs to stderr instead of stdout?
23:58 <Gursikh> naw`its stdout
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I'm about as ready as I'm going to be to take my overnment test
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> so I'll get my statics homework done tonight
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> but I can't help but notice my wife is still nowhere to be seen :(

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