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Log from 2007-09-14:
--- Day changed Fri Sep 14 2007
00:14 <spidey> Khalsa, pooned :p
00:15 <Khalsa> tyeah newbie abuse >_>
00:17 <spidey> rofl
00:17 <spidey> yay
00:18 <spidey> steam installed...now to get cs:s working and i can format the 70+gigs of the windows partition and use it for storage since i'm almost out now :(
00:18 -!- P4|away is now known as P4
00:21 <spidey> awe
00:21 <spidey> steam's using 20% of the ram =/
00:32 <luke-jr> ...
00:41 <spidey> ...
00:41 <spidey> luke-jr, ...
00:41 <spidey> caps + . should do like, a bold .
00:45 <Khalsa> luke-jr: how come every server shows up twice here: http://beta.armagetronad.net/serverlist.php ? (other than the beta monikor of course)
00:52 <luke-jr> Khalsa: no clue; want to fix it?
00:52 <luke-jr> spidey: !!!
00:52 <spidey> luke-jr, wtf you want
00:53 <luke-jr> spidey: u
00:53 <luke-jr> http://tinyurl.com/2n34vv
00:54 <spidey> luke-jr, try using a proxy that doesn't suck
00:55 <spidey> just
00:55 <spidey> give me the direct link, pusseh :P
00:55 <luke-jr> http://rqz3ol23ez3ydshq.onion:911/
00:55 <spidey> not to tor...
00:55 <luke-jr> it's a tor site
00:56 <spidey> yea well
00:56 <spidey> server not found
00:56 <luke-jr> http://tinyurl.com/2n34vv
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02:32 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: Lucifer_arma spidey GodTodd Anyone Freeciv
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03:08 <P4> Vanhayes: try this intead :D http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/downloads.php
03:08 <P4> http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/screens.php :D
03:08 <P4> this is damn greate classic remake :D
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03:10 <P4> anyway got to sleep, hope you'll enjoy ;>
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03:54 <Vanhayes> P4|away: heh we found that game in here about a year ago
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04:15 <GodTodd> what game?
04:21 <Vanhayes> scothed3d
04:21 <Vanhayes> scortched 3d*
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04:59 <Lucifer_arma> *scorched3d
05:01 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: !!!
05:07  * Durka sigh
05:16 <Durka> #armaservers
05:16 <armabot> Durka: This data is 52 seconds old; Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), Swampland in 0.2.8 (7/8), >3D> Eternal Destiny Clan Server ~{DF}~ (6/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (5/14), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (5/12), Norm's Place (4/12), Wild West  =Sumo= (3/14), Strawberry Fields (3/16), ~"XzL.Clan The Server (3/12), ~:P1|People's Legion ~:SealBar:· (2/16), Wild West  =Fortress (1 more message)
05:16 <Durka> #serverinfo =sumo
05:16 <armabot> Durka: Wild West  =Sumo=: Players (3/14): help im a bug, Obey, preSs
05:16 <Durka> BUG!
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05:39 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: some day I hope you'll learn to just ask your question
05:39 <Durka> :D
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> you'll get most of your questions answered that way, just by waiting around for someone to come and answer
05:39 <Durka> Can I run the Fall AFL?
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, you have to wait for the person you want to talk to to be here when you are
05:40 <Durka> good point ^^ :P
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> you got time?  ;)
05:40 <Durka> I've got 'enough'
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> did you read my post on time commitments?
05:40 <Durka> yes
05:40 <Durka> this is what I planned
05:41 <Durka> basically:
05:41 <Durka> 1.
05:41 <Durka> 1. Allow a signup period
05:41 <Durka> 2. Finalize Rosters
05:41 <Durka> 3. Make a  schedule in which every team plays against every team (round-robin)
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> *twice
05:42 <Durka> ok
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> (although you could just schedule them to be on the same night, one game on one server, the other game on the other)
05:42 <Durka> 3. Make a schedule in which every team plays against every team twice (round-robin)
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's correcting for lag :)
05:42 <Durka> Yes good point, but I figure
05:42 <Durka> if someone can't make game X, then they are missing 2 games really
05:43 <Durka> game X and game X +1 per say
05:43 <Durka> also, I was thinking making the games best of 5
05:43 <Durka> makes it more enjoyable you know?
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> not sure about that, remember the summer was brief
05:43 <Durka> best of 3's are like 'quickies'
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, are you planning on playing, too?
05:43 <Durka> yes...
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's going to be a bone of contention with me, because it's a conflict of interest
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's also a reason I wound up without much help in the summer :/
05:45 <Durka> I don't see how I would affect anything though
05:45 <Durka> I will keep the same times as the last AFL, they seemed to work...I don't quite know if I will be able to make the games but o well
05:45 <Durka> moving on: 4. Have people play the games and record the results
05:45 <Durka> 5. Organize a single-elimination playoffs (top 2 teams during the season being rewarded with byes)
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to run one "your way", and still use the AFL name, you should call it "Durka's AFL"
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to run the AFL Fall season that logically follows the summer, then you have to work with me :)
05:46 <Durka> I don't see the conflict of interest?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> blind?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> let's say someone on the other team accuses you of cheating
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> where's your impartial judge to make the call?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> aha!  You don't have one!
05:46 <Durka> Monkey
05:46 <Durka> heh ;)
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> Monkey?  Impartial?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> I laugh at your version of reality
05:46 <Durka> XD
05:47 <Durka> what do you mean by cheating?
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> besides, Monkey'll be playing too, how can you be sure he won't be the accuser?  ;)
05:47 <Durka> er, how about the server admin?
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> lots of ways to cheat
05:47 <Durka> z-man, wrtl, manta, spidey
05:47 <Durka> besides, I can
05:47 <Durka> i can't be at every match watching,
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> one way that comes to mind is when there's a borderline call between two other teams, and you make the decision in a way that directly benefits your team
05:47 <Durka> what type of 'borderline' call?
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> we determined over the summer that nobody *has* to be at every match watching, the recordings are what matters
05:48 <Durka> I understand what you're getting at, but you're being a bit too vague
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, like, "They showed up 15 minutes late, that's a forfeit!", and it's the crappy team saying that
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> a bit too vague?  maybe a bit too much of "expecting you to just see what's obvious"  :)
05:48 <Durka> well, you have to have SET rules right?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> yes, but no ruleset can cover every possible eventuality
05:49 <Durka> before the tournament starts, have set rules
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> how about this, a team just dropped a couple of players, and they're now under the limit
05:49 <Durka> but the thing is
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> they want to add 2 more players, and the two they found are really good
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> the rules don't say you can't add more players, they say you have to have league approval after the rosters are finalized
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> so their next game is against your team
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> what do you say?
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> obviously your answer might be different if it was in the first part of the season than in the last, as an impartial judge
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> but you're not an impartial judge
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> similarly, the forfeit will affect rankings.  maybe as a player you need the game to be played so you'll face the crappy team in the first part of the playoffs and advance, and hope the good team gets knocked out
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> in the player add situation, you could realistically stall until after your game with them, and then approve the add
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> can they say you fucked them over?  No, but they can say you dragged your heels when it was to your team's advantage
05:51 <Durka> how about avoiding this completely beforehand: you cannot add players to your team during the season
05:51 <Durka> simple enough
05:51 <Durka> how about increasing it to 6 vs 6 and allowing each team to carry 12 players
05:51 <Durka> this will cover for absences
05:51 <Durka> the only debatable issues i can see are
05:51 <Durka> 1. adding/droping players
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not saying you'll do all or any of this
05:51 <Durka> 2. players showing up late
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> I had three teams asking to add players for various reasons during the short summer season :)
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> besides, these are just examples
05:52 <Durka> yes, yes
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> for every rule you make, there's going to be at least one realistic borderline case that could come up, and the more games and teams you have, the more likely those border cases are to come up
05:53 <Durka> well, i ran the durka land world cup over the summer
05:53 <Durka> and I've pretty much seen every situation
05:53 <Durka> how about this
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> I have very little doubt that you'll make good decisions, but once you let yourself in as a player and a judge, how can you say to someone else (who you know will take advantage of their position) "No, you can't judge and play"
05:53 <Durka> i'll go ahead and work on it
05:53 <Durka> how about i'm not a judge?
05:53 <Durka> simple enough?
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> like I say, if you want to keep the AFL name and do it "your way", just ccall it Durka's AFL and do what you want :)
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> but if you want to work with me on another AFL, I want to avoid the conflict of interest :)
05:54 <Durka> who said i want to work with you ;)
05:54 <Durka> ;)
05:54 <Durka> kidding
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> we might be able to work around it together, but I'm in chaos right now
05:54 <Durka> realistically, i'll just not be a judge
05:55 <Durka> i'll just manage the schedule
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's position just got cut, so our income is down to $240/month for now
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can't make *any* time commitment to this
05:55 <Durka> you can't say i'll be fixing the schedule since it'll be a round-robin
05:55 <Durka> well, i'll only need you for disputes, and hopefully there won't be any
05:55 <Durka> i'll write up some rules
05:55 <Durka> and i would like your feedback?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> you're right.  :)  I did let Epsy do a lot of stuff that was safely out of the conflict of interest area
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> the rules we ran worked fine, all you need to do is set dates
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> I found the long registration period failed miserably, so just try to keep it reasonable
05:56 <Durka> if we have a set rulebook that covers the majority of cases, i won't need you much
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> and it might be too late to reasonably play the championship before christmas
05:56 <Durka> well, if we allow a short signup period, that's the best thing probably
05:57 <Durka> for example: hoop got a lot of players on his team in like 3 days, but then they forgot about the tournament
05:57 <Durka> since it didn't start for another 3 weeks
05:57 <Durka> and besides, we pretty much know the teams anyways
05:57 <Durka> CT, x, SP, kod, monkey's team, hoop's revitalized team, DS, GP?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> oops might rally :)
05:58 <Durka> if we can get 8 semi-good sized teams, we should be up and running, anyways, i'll write up some rules and we can continue from there
05:58  * Lucifer_arma is confused
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> aren't rules already written?  ;)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> you should just revise those, if any changes are needed :)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> also, there were a couple of outstanding issues from the summer
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> 1.  There were a few players that signed up and then couldn't play on sundays.  An alternate day is definitely needed, but how well it'll work out, I don't know
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> 2.  There were a few players that signed up and then couldn't play at all because of the time it happened, and others still that didn't sign up at all for that reason
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> so there may be more teams
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> if we do this, and wind up with more than 8 teams, then the schedule will need more thought
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> one more thing, if we do this together, then I want a disclaimer somewhere to the effect of "Durka volunteered and is the reason this season can happen, and is well-respected and won't cheat, and Luci's there when impartiality is required"
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> not a big deal, just a footnote somewhere really
06:03 <Durka> np
06:03 <Durka> revisal of the rules is what i meant
06:03 <Durka> the thing is though, the majority of the players CAN play on sundays...and sundays are best for the majority
06:04 <Durka> this is why the ladle worked so well
06:04 <Durka> any day during the week is out of the question
06:04 <Durka> and saturdays are ify
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> I actually had quite a few players ask for the wednesday games we'd originally planned
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> do this, on the sign up page, ask players to specify best time to play
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> you know, say something like "Put your name and the best time for you to play"
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> "Note: we're not guaranteeing you'll be able to play at the time you asked for, but we need your input on the schedule"
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you get a google account, I can give you write access to the google AFL calendar
06:08 <Durka> well, wednesday's suck for americans since europeans don't like playing at 3 am
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> people found it useful, as long as it's updated :)
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> just ask when people want to play, and then we'll see.  Hopefully people will just answer honestly when they want to play
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> then when you make the schedule, if you notice that the two teams playing both prefer a different time/day, you can give it to them :)
06:10 <Khalsa> <internet_reference> Caturday! </internet_reference>
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> Khalsa: how was the hurricane?
06:10 <Khalsa> didn't touch houston
06:10 <Khalsa> went east
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> cat 1 hurricane anyway, if it had been bigger it would have hurt you :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> weird though that it formed in like one day
06:10 <Khalsa> east texas, lousiana, and missori got the brunt of it
06:11  * Lucifer_arma is thinking of starting a hurricanewatchers irc channel
06:12 <Khalsa> chanserv points to ##hurican and #wiki-hurricanes
06:13 <Khalsa> ##hurricane *
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> there's only one person in there, and I suspect he's a bot
06:14 <Khalsa> lol forwards to ##earth
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07:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropical/index.html?from=hurricane_welcome  <--- another tropical storm
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07:18 <MrBougo> hiho
07:18 <wrtlprnft> hi
07:18 <MrBougo> woot! someone!
07:27 <tramshed> hae
07:27 <MrBougo> someone else!
07:27 <tramshed> im setting up my dualheads on gentoo right now
07:27 <tramshed> got em working fine, cept I cant drag windows between the two
07:27 <tramshed> I did just have two armagetrons running at once on diff screens with hardware accel though, which was kind of cool
07:27  * wrtlprnft has no experience with that
07:28 <wrtlprnft> now you just need two keyboards and have each control another instance of arma
07:28 <wrtlprnft> possible with MPX iirc
07:29 <tramshed> yeah, Ive set up a dual head system like that before
07:29 <tramshed> two kbs, two mice
07:29 <tramshed> two people.
07:29 <tramshed> this system has enough nuts I might be able to run two ut2k4s at the same time
07:30  * wrtlprnft is happy with 40fps on arma
07:32 <tramshed> hmm
07:32 <tramshed> it wont let me run two at once
07:32 <tramshed> I think thats a ut thing though
07:33 <wrtlprnft> tried running them as different users?
07:35 <MrBougo> bye
07:35 <MrBougo> schoolz
07:35 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: im happy with 50 fps and 150 ping
07:35 <MrBougo> :D
07:36 <MrBougo> even though i dont play arma much these days
07:36 <MrBougo> i think theres at least one gramatical error in my premious message
07:36 <MrBougo> i dont like this feeling
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07:51 <tramshed> hmm
07:51 <tramshed> diff users is a good plan
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/hanging.asp
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10:18 <Lucifer_arma>  	 Zach P.: "Premarital sex isn't worth it! You can catch AIDS, or cancer, or testicle weevils, or a bad body image or rickets. You know what IS worth it? Making love to Jesus. Because you can't knock Him up and He'll never ask what you're thinking – cuz He already knows!"
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13:25 <deja_vu> >:D
13:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:26 <wrtlprnft> The Font is back online
13:27 <deja_vu> i'm not a font
13:27 <deja_vu> oh wait
13:27 <deja_vu> maybe i am
13:28 <deja_vu> if i was a font i could hurt you with razor-sharp serifs >:P
13:32 <wrtlprnft> x_X
13:32 <wrtlprnft> i think a sans- serif font would be better
13:33 <deja_vu> hehe :)
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16:40 <guru3> wrtlprnft: you there?
16:50 <MrBougo> http://www.bash.org/?803904
16:50 <MrBougo> haah
16:50 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft should be there
16:50 <MrBougo> he's taking his 5 minutes of idleness
16:50 <guru3> wrtlprnft: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=191812#191812
16:51 <MrBougo> sorry, i clicked
16:54 <Khalsa> is there someway to custom connect to a server not running on ports 45xx ?
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17:06 <spidey> Khalsa, yes
17:07 <spidey> network -> custom connect
17:07 <spidey> at the main screen
17:09 <Khalsa> yeah, but I cant seem to change the ports beyond anything 45xx
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17:53 <spidey> hm
17:54 <Khalsa> anyways I gave up. Finally figured out school blocks all UDP traffic :-(
17:55 <spidey> you're right
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> mine too
17:56 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, why doesn't tron let you go above 4550?
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> but not tcp traffic, so I could theoretically play freeciv at school
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: there's no technical reason for it, and if you set the server to a higher port, the client will connect to it just fine
17:57 <spidey> yea
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's just there's a ui widget that limits the choices is all ;)
17:57 <spidey> but there's no way to custom connect to it =/
17:57 <Khalsa> yeah  you can edit user.cfg
17:57 <Khalsa> and I think it works that way
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> put your custom connect server in the lower ports and the servers that are on the master server browser in the higher ports
17:57 <spidey> o
17:59 <Khalsa> I tried like 40 differnt solutions, only 1 left, but i'm too lazy now to do it
17:59 <Khalsa> im pretty sure it'll work, dunno how well though
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> you can put it manually in the er, whatever it's called
18:00  * Lucifer_arma is sleepy
18:00  * Lucifer_arma goes to smoke a cigarette
18:00 <Khalsa> lol
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18:21 <wrtlprnft> guru3: answered
18:21 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mougo* more like 100 minutes of idleness
18:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> if you sneeze 7 times in a row, you'll have an orgasm
18:22 <wrtlprnft> never noticed that
18:23 <wrtlprnft> happened when dusting out my server
18:23 <wrtlprnft> de-dusting? dedustifying?
18:24 <wrtlprnft> (sorry to all the native english speakers in here, just don't at my abuses of your language)
18:24 <wrtlprnft> *don't look at*
18:26 <Khalsa> English is overrated
18:26 <spidey> de-wrtlprnft? de-wrtlprnfting?
18:27  * spidey gives wrtlprnft a aterix
18:27 <spidey> asterix*
18:28 <wrtlprnft> f**c* *o* *p**ey
18:28 <spidey> lol
18:29 <wrtlprnft> it
18:29 <MaZuffeR> did anything important happen during the three months i was gone?
18:29 <wrtlprnft> 's sad if you can read that sentence
18:29 <spidey> MaZuffeR, yes
18:29 <spidey> SPAM!
18:29 <wrtlprnft> not really as far as i know
18:29 <wrtlprnft> actually
18:29 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=17381
18:30 <wrtlprnft> so something important did happen ;)
18:30 <MaZuffeR> i wouldn't classify that as important
18:31 <wrtlprnft> pfft ;)
18:32 <wrtlprnft> just kidding, but i do think it's fun to use and great for making maps
18:44 -!- P4|away is now known as P4
19:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, lots of important things happened while maz was gone
19:01 <Lucifer_arma> I just don't remember any of them
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19:39 <spidey> bwahaha
19:39 <spidey> now if i can just get xfire to work
19:39 <spidey> i can delete my windows partitions and run linux now :D
19:40 <spidey> cs:s + warrock work in wine to a playable extent :)
19:49 <MrBougo> brb
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19:55 <GodTodd> hmmm have we had our terrorist/presidential attack yet?
20:00  * GodTodd thnks praps luke-jr s n hs bnkr sf frm bsh
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20:05 <GodTodd> lk-jr*
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20:14 <epsy> http://bash.org/?803851
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20:22 <luke-jr> GodTodd: if I could afford a bunker
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20:56 <epsy> lol at Jovan20's tor hostmask
20:56 <epsy> :)
20:56 <epsy> #q
20:57 <armabot> epsy: Quote #29: "It was like playing a game with a ping of 3000. -- John Carmack, Founder, Armadillo Aerospace" (added by GodTodd at 05:34 AM, October 29, 2006)
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21:01 <guru3> wrtlprnft: did some research before and it looks like it's not getting the map_model correctly
21:18 <guru3> wrtlprnft: found me problem
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21:46 <epsy> http://bash.org/?9322
22:00 <wrtlprnft> seen funnier things
22:00 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even look correct :D
22:04 <epsy> http://bash.org/?400459
22:04 <epsy> http://bash.org/?258908
22:09 <epsy> or even this http://bash.org/?362137
22:10 <wrtlprnft> lol @ the p2p one
22:10 <epsy> heh
22:10 <epsy> <studdud> what the fuck is wtf
22:10 <wrtlprnft> old one
22:11 <epsy> #luke-kr_work what the fuck is wtf
22:11 <epsy> oops
22:11 <epsy> #luke-j_work what the fuck is wtf
22:11 <epsy> #luke-jr_work what the fuck is wtf
22:11 <armabot> ♪ what the fuck is wtf is obsolete. ♫
22:11 <spidey> epsy, wrong
22:12 <spidey> #luke-jr_work what the fuck
22:12 <armabot> ♪ what the fuck is obsolete. ♫
22:12 <spidey> that sounds more like luke
22:12 <epsy> lol spidey
22:12 <spidey> then you'll be like, well what isn't?
22:12 <spidey> he'll be like wtf
22:13 <epsy> what the fuck do you mean with wtf?
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #luke-jr_work wtf is not an internationally accepted acronym. Therefore it
22:13 <armabot> ♪ wtf is not an internationally accepted acronym. Therefore it is obsolete. ♫
22:13 <luke-jr> ...
22:14 <wrtlprnft> what RFC defines WTF?
22:14 <wrtlprnft> there *must* be one
22:14 <epsy> why the fuck would the RFC define the fucking infuckingcredible wtf?
22:16 <wrtlprnft> well, they define SHOULD, MUST, MUST NOT, and all that
22:16 <wrtlprnft> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2119.html
22:17 <epsy> oww that's fucked
22:21 <luke-jr> lol
22:26 <wrtlprnft> not to mention all the pigeon stuff
22:26 <wrtlprnft> *pidgeon?
22:26 <spidey> pidgin!
22:26 <epsy> gaim!
22:26 <wrtlprnft> pfft
22:26 <spidey> rofl
22:26 <wrtlprnft> irssi! kopete!
22:27 <spidey> xchat!
22:27 <epsy> gajim!
22:27 <wrtlprnft> netcat!
22:27 <spidey> wtf's that
22:27 <epsy> MSN!
22:27 <luke-jr> konversation!
22:27 <wrtlprnft> #man netcat
22:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:27 <wrtlprnft> pfft
22:27 <luke-jr> #man nc
22:27 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:27 <luke-jr> pfft
22:27 <epsy> #man sh
22:27 <armabot> epsy: sh - shell, the standard command language interpreter
22:28 <spidey> #man epsy
22:28 <armabot> spidey: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:28 <epsy> #man spidey
22:28 <armabot> epsy: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:28 <wrtlprnft> Netcat is a simple Unix utility which reads and writes data across network connections, using TCP or UDP protocol.  It is designed to be a reliable "back-end" tool that can be used directly or easily driven by other programs and scripts.  At the same time, it is a feature-rich network debugging and exploration tool,
22:28 <wrtlprnft>  since it can create amost any kind of connection you would need and has several intderesting built-in capa- bilities.  Netcat, or "nc" as the original program was named, should have been supplied long ago as another one of those cryptic but standard Unix tools.
22:28 <wrtlprnft> from its manpage
22:28 <luke-jr> that's a lame description
22:28  * epsy wonders why wrtlprnft and armabot shares the same nick color on his client
22:28 <luke-jr> how dare they define what I would need?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> epsy: hostname?
22:29 <epsy> i guess so or course :p
22:29 <epsy> of
22:29 <wrtlprnft> well, netcat is great :D
22:30 <luke-jr> netcat is rarely useful
22:30 <luke-jr> socat is better
22:30 <luke-jr> netcat only works with TCP and UDP
22:30 <wrtlprnft> enough for me
22:30 <luke-jr> and BASH itself supports outgoing TCP connections
22:30 <wrtlprnft> only if you enable it
22:30 <luke-jr> so really netcat is only useful for raw UDP communication or incoming TCP connections
22:30 <luke-jr> and for incoming connections, only 1 at a time
22:31 <luke-jr> socat at least supports UNIX sockets
22:31 <spidey> luke-jr, no way!
22:31 <epsy> yes way!
22:31 <luke-jr> btw, has anyone tested the new ebuilds yet?
22:31 <wrtlprnft> #luke-jr_work netcat
22:32 <armabot> ♪ netcat is obsolete. ♫
22:32 <spidey> which reminds me, think i'ma try freebsd since the windows partitions are gone
22:32 <luke-jr> spidey: have you ever heard of qemu?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> the old ones work fine for me right now
22:32 <spidey> qemu?
22:32 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: with FEATURES=-strict
22:32 <wrtlprnft> #luke-jr_work qemu
22:32 <armabot> ♪ qemu is obsolete. ♫
22:32 <wrtlprnft> i never noticed any harm from FEATURES=-strict
22:33  * wrtlprnft loves that alias
22:33 <spidey> it's basically vmware?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> same idea
22:33 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it disabled PGP verification adn stuff
22:33 <luke-jr> spidey: except it's FREE
22:33 <spidey> why do i care about free?
22:34 <spidey> i have over 100gb of pirated movies/music
22:34 <luke-jr> spidey: and the source materials of them?
22:34 <wrtlprnft> Free, not free
22:34 <spidey> i know what he means :p
22:34 <luke-jr> Free, not gratis
22:34 <wrtlprnft> in fact it's FrEe
22:34 <wrtlprnft> or fReE?
22:34  * wrtlprnft doesn't know
22:34 <epsy> http://free.fr/ for 28MB/sec ?
22:35 <epsy> (and lightfiber)
22:35  * epsy stops adverting france
22:35  * wrtlprnft doesn't understand a word
22:35 <wrtlprnft> forgot about everything since grade 10
22:35 <epsy> a word ?
22:35 <spidey> http://free.org/
22:35 <wrtlprnft> on that side
22:35 <spidey> english version
22:36 <epsy> O_o
22:36 <spidey> maybe not
22:36 <epsy> wrtlprnft, http://dictionnaire.sensagent.com/word/en-en/
22:36  * wrtlprnft thinks any language where adjectives in front of a noun can mean something different than after is sort of crazy
22:37 <spidey> the jumped fence dog!
22:37 <luke-jr> I got a gratis 1.3 GHz Duron!
22:37 <epsy> how costs the transport ?
22:37 <wrtlprnft> do you have the source materials?
22:37 <epsy> the power flow ?
22:37 <spidey> i got a flj 1.8ghz duron!
22:37 <wrtlprnft> could you build one yourself from the sources?
22:38 <epsy> 3 GHz intel P4-M
22:38 <spidey> flj = fuck luke jr
22:38 <spidey> :D
22:38 <epsy> hyperthreading and other shit we don't care about with
22:38 <luke-jr> !
22:38 <luke-jr> someone spammed #luke-jrisanasshat the other day
22:38 <luke-jr> kinda funny, IMO
22:39 <luke-jr> (no, it wasn't me)
22:39 <spidey> was so
22:39 <luke-jr> liar
22:39 <spidey> am not
22:39 <spidey> i saw it
22:39 <wrtlprnft> http://xkcd.com/316/
22:39 <luke-jr> liar
22:39 <spidey> am isn't
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22:40 <spidey> amarok > luke-jr
22:41 <epsy> #tea
22:41 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: No online players.
22:41 <epsy> #bugfarm
22:42 <epsy> #elim
22:42 <epsy> ~sd elim
22:42 <epsy> #sd elim
22:42 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “elim” at the moment, sorry.
22:42 <epsy> #sd bugfar
22:42 <armabot> epsy: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: Players (13/16): Player 1, Player 2, Soups, SP.Minefield, |B|one, |PwN|ShåÐè1, |x| FoFo, ~YY~ Gazelle, ~{GP}~Spot, ¦×¥Flex, ¦×¥Rico, ¼µ½·Gun, ¼µ½·GªLª­
22:42 <epsy> fort > sumo -
22:42 <epsy> -.-
22:44  * epsy slaps....himself
22:45  * spidey slaps epsy
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23:08 <epsy> *** Quits: TITANIC (Excess Flood)
23:08 <epsy> i'm definitively on bash quotes this evening
23:11 <epsy> http://bash.org/?13213
23:20 <spidey> there's a better one on there
23:21 <spidey> that one was probably a rip off of it :p
23:21 <spidey> it's where a guy named NEW ORLEANS quits for excess flood
23:21 <epsy> eeww
23:25 <Vanhayes> ahahaha the CAD is almost equal to the USD
23:25 <luke-jr> ...
23:26 <Vanhayes> its 97 cents to your dollar
23:26 <luke-jr> so?
23:26 <luke-jr> wait
23:26 <epsy> stfu Vanhayes -.-
23:26 <luke-jr> since when
23:26 <Vanhayes> and since everything is cheaper in the US and the lowest minimum wage in canada is about 7 bucks we can get what ever we want
23:26 <luke-jr> ...
23:27 <Vanhayes> we will invade yo with tourists and buy everything
23:27  * luke-jr stabs Konqueror for forcing dvorak
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