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Log from 2007-08-26:
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03:16 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:16 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 75.2°F (8:19 PM CDT on August 25, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Steady).
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03:44 <NeoThermic> #weather 93555
03:44 <armabot> NeoThermic: Error: timed out
03:44 <NeoThermic> #weather 93555
03:44 <ghableska> :p
03:44 <armabot> NeoThermic: The current temperature in Ridgecrest Heights, CA 93555, Ridgecrest, California is 97.3°F (6:45 PM PDT on August 25, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Falling).
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03:44 <NeoThermic> here's me worried that my town melted :P
03:45 <ghableska> hehe
03:45 <ghableska> NeoThermic: are you http://forums.introversion.co.uk/defcon/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6 ?
03:46 <NeoThermic> Yes.
03:46 <ghableska> ah :)
03:47 <NeoThermic> Why does one ask? :)
03:48 <ghableska> just curious
03:48 <ghableska> I thought the name looked familiar ;)
03:48 <NeoThermic> I'm also http://www.phpbb.com/community/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=96783
03:48 <ghableska> oh
03:53 <NeoThermic> so you a fan of IV's work?
03:53 <ghableska> I liked Defcon and Darwinia
03:56 <NeoThermic> Good. Their two best games IMO :)
03:57 <NeoThermic> Source code wise as well. Uplink is horrid :P
03:57 <ghableska> heh
03:59 <ghableska> #night
04:00 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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04:00 <NeoThermic> laters ghableska
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04:17 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr, ??
04:18 <luke-jr_> ??
04:18 <luke-jr_> ./j #armalukechat
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05:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/corridor-1.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
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05:19 <Lucifer_arma> what do y'all's scores in kblackbox look like?
05:30 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/QUARG/rubber/5rooms-1.aamap.xml: Resource by QUARG
05:56 <spidey> wtf's a kblackbox?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's a game
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> hey, digikam is pretty cool
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> it really does simplify getting the pictures off the camera :)
06:22 <tramshed> my cam used to act as a usb drive
06:22 <tramshed> REALLY simplified getting things off the cam
06:22 <tramshed> cp /camera * /data/Incoming/pics
06:22 <tramshed> err
06:22 <tramshed> cp /camera/* /data/Incoming/pics
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> um, yeah, if you call that simple
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> in my house, that never really happened very much, so the camera sat around unused and full
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'll be the first to admit that that's not terribly hard, but when you're trying to organize dozens/hundreds of photos, it's really a pain to deal with
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> even with konqueror's fancy album view
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> still a pain
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> now I've got my kids grabbing the camera and taking pictures (which they're not supposed to do!), and some of them are good
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> some are bad
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> so I want to keep the good ones and trash the bad ones (like fingers covering the lens, or pictures that are obviously just random shots)
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> digikam lets me see the pictures on the camera, pick the ones I want to keep, and then clean up the camera
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, it makes it possible for my wife to do these things too, so she won't be waiting for me to deal with the camera
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> and then it'll export to gallery, and I just setup a gallery installation for us to use for that purpose
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> my parents sent us a photo printer a couple of weeks ago, and I got that hooked up and running.  It'll also print directly from the flash drive in the camera, which is nice
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> so now we have what the corporatespeak junkies call end-to-end integration :)
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06:55 <GodTodd> yay! pbs is done begging for money and red dwarf is back on :)
06:57 <luke-jr> GodTodd sucks
06:57 <luke-jr> spidey said so
06:58 <spidey> yeah
06:58 <spidey> ....
06:58 <GodTodd> at least have the balls to speak for yourself luke-jr :)
06:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: sucks too
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> ?
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> #last --from luke-jr --nolimit
07:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [07:02:34] <luke-jr> spidey said so, [07:02:30] <luke-jr> GodTodd sucks, and [00:22:59] <luke-jr> ...
07:01 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: you suck
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I'm rubber and you're glue and anything you say bounces off of me and goes up your lame ass
07:01 <GodTodd> hrmm...does "hustle" have any meaning in the so-called "drug culture"?
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> yes, why?
07:02 <GodTodd> what's it mean? selling?
07:02 <MrBougo> ... the hell?
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> (it means run a scam)
07:02 <spidey> MrBougo: tell Lucifer_arma he sucks
07:02 <MrBougo> my regedit.exe had disappeared
07:02 <spidey> ...
07:02 <MrBougo> wtf!
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: glad to hear you finally installed linux
07:02 <MrBougo> lawl
07:02 <MrBougo> i have it on a vm
07:02 <spidey> killall X11vnc
07:02 <GodTodd> well...that's not a special meaning...that's what it means anywhere :P
07:02 <spidey> :D
07:02 <spidey> no
07:02 <MrBougo> i have... 3 livecds or something
07:02 <MrBougo> but i dont have it installed
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: then no, it does not have a special meaning that I am aware of
07:02 <GodTodd> k
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> although it could possibly refer to doing a line or shooting up or something
07:03 <MrBougo> i could install some slax on my usb drive, it's easy to do
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> hey, now that you mention it, I think I have heard it used in the context of just a regular sale
07:03 <MrBougo> but now im virscanning
07:03 <MrBougo> i'm worrying about that regedit stuff
07:03 <GodTodd> i'm trying to figure out, short of prostitution (thought that's not out of the question), how a 17 year old makes $5000 in one night
07:03 <GodTodd> heh
07:03 <MrBougo> i've recovered it but i still think that theres some minor problem
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> cousin-in-law?  heh
07:03 <spidey> you all suck
07:03 <spidey> except luke-jr
07:04 <GodTodd> yeah
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> several options come to mind, none of them honest
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, it's not legal afaik for a 17yo to titty dance
07:04 <MrBougo> you suck spidey
07:04 <GodTodd> oh...i'm pretty damn sure it's illegal
07:04 <spidey> you suck more
07:04 <MrBougo> you suck even more
07:05 <spidey> liar
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> are you the poor soul charged with dealing with this particular issue?
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> or just curious about it?
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07:05 <luke-jr_> lol
07:05 <MrBougo> lawl wtf
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> lemme put it another way, the only honest way I know for that to happen is to just ask people that have money for it
07:05 <MrBougo> i cant set quit messages :(((((
07:05 <MrBougo> lemme try
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07:05 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: I can set one for you
07:05 <luke-jr_> ...
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07:06 <luke-jr_> [00:11:47] <-- MrBougo has left this server (""testeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehehehe"").
07:06 <MrBougo> omg! it workzed!
07:06 <MrBougo> :D
07:06 <luke-jr_> MrBougo: vnc?
07:06 <MrBougo> huh?
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: for a teenager, that is.
07:06 <luke-jr_> let me VNC you
07:06 <MrBougo> why the hell would i let you do such a thing
07:06 <MrBougo> i can give you shell access to my linux vm
07:06 <luke-jr_> LOL
07:06 <MrBougo> nothing else
07:07 <MrBougo> go to teh hellz
07:07 <luke-jr_> I've passed out root access to a VM befoe
07:07 <luke-jr_> before
07:07 <MrBougo> weeeee
07:07 <MrBougo> congratulations!
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's a sad day when even Belgians don't speak good english
07:08 <MrBougo> all you would do is delete evrything
07:08 <GodTodd> me?
07:08 <GodTodd> no
07:08 <GodTodd> i'm just nosy ;)
07:08 <MrBougo> and i would recover the snapshot
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> laggy too, apparently, heh
07:08 <luke-jr_> exactly what I did
07:08 <luke-jr_> :p
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07:08 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma: at least you can understand me
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> understand?  hell, I see right through you!
07:08 <spidey> hi losers
07:08 <spidey> ffs
07:08 <spidey> ./ignore self
07:08 <MrBougo> eeek
07:08 <MrBougo> oh through me
07:08 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: yeah...i know it's not from just asking people with money
07:09 <luke-jr_> MrBougo: Lucifer_arma sees you naked
07:09 <MrBougo> can you see my bones?
07:09 <MrBougo> are they ok?
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'd ask what she stole, if it were me
07:09 <MrBougo> did i eat my usb pendrive?
07:09 <MrBougo> tell me dr arma
07:09 <MrBougo> jesus
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> because I find it unlikely that a 17yo would manage to make that kind of money prostituting herself
07:09 <GodTodd> well...her myspace page has a pic of her earnings in 8 hours....lotsa c-notes and twenties
07:10 <MrBougo> that ican_do_sex_4u@hotmail.com guy wants me in his contact list
07:10 <MrBougo> i dont have much spam like that
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: add him
07:10 <GodTodd> MrBougo: that's luke
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahaha
07:10 <MrBougo> once a month people from lebanon and stuff add me
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> hey, don't say really funny things when my wife's asleep on the couch!
07:10 <GodTodd> :D
07:10 <MrBougo> i ask them who they are
07:10 <MrBougo> "i'm <somerandomname>"
07:10 <MrBougo> "and you"
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> the only way I know to make that kind of cash with drugs in one night is with coke
07:11 <MrBougo> fuck offf, who gave you my email
07:11 <MrBougo> "how old r u"
07:11 <MrBougo> where the hell did you get it
07:11 <MrBougo> "a friend told me"
07:11 <luke-jr_> me
07:11 <luke-jr_> spidey:
07:11 <MrBougo> oh, a friend, nice
07:11 <MrBougo> who?
07:11 <MrBougo> "cant tell"
07:11 <luke-jr_> spidey:
07:11 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: btw...the cousin in law is back in vegas and staying put...the in laws aren't exactly upset about it either heh
07:11 <spidey> ...
07:11 <luke-jr_> spidey:
07:12 <MrBougo> then i tell them that i'm ignoring them forever
07:12 <MrBougo> "ok bye"
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> things didn't work out?
07:12 <MrBougo> "moody(k):s"
07:13 <GodTodd> well...again on her *censored* page, she was complaining about only getting high 4 times out here...besides...her dad gets her blunts
07:13 <MrBougo> go fck yourself moody
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> so much for being well-adjusted :)
07:13 <GodTodd> yeah
07:13 <GodTodd> she puts on a good front tho
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell did she only manage to get high 4 times out here, anyway?
07:14 <GodTodd> dunno
07:14 <luke-jr_> spidey:
07:14 <MrBougo> rofl i remember
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> seems to me like she either wasn't trying hard enough, or she was expecting people to give her too much
07:14 <MrBougo> when my dad started to use the internet
07:14 <MrBougo> he had been a computer scientist for years, but only for servers
07:14 <GodTodd> probably was used to vegas exchange rate...which i'm sure is different
07:15 <MrBougo> and he clicked a goddamn "you are the 500000000000000000th visitor" ad
07:15 <MrBougo> won some trip, whatever
07:15 <MrBougo> problems for months
07:15 <MrBougo> fucking ads
07:16 <GodTodd> tho, as i told the wife, no guarantee that the 5K she gave john was all from the one night...i suspect she'd been saving it up a bit
07:16 <MrBougo> who minds......................
07:16 <MrBougo> shaving?
07:16 <MrBougo> oooh nevermind
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> so hustle is the word she used, then?
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> on her *censored* page?
07:17 <GodTodd> yeah, that's her listed occupation
07:18 <GodTodd> and in the money pic there's a long brown thing in the middle that i have no clue what it is but i think it's the key to understanding
07:18 <GodTodd> heh
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> link?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> privately, of course
07:22 <GodTodd> it doesn't work in ff...haven't tried konqueror....works in ie :/
07:22 <GodTodd> didn't work in konq either
07:22 <GodTodd> sec
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> I've got ie, send it along
07:23 <GodTodd> getting it....
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's a blunt
07:31 <GodTodd> ok...i thought it was something like that...but wasn't sure
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> looks like a very poorly made blunt
07:34 <GodTodd> heh...probably is
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> she needs to get herself a real crip to roll up a swisher
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> never thought I'd say anything like that, but really, in my experience crips roll the best blunts
07:35 <GodTodd> heh
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> works in my firefox, btw
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> but not in my ie
07:35  * GodTodd has never done drugs so is clueless about that ;)
07:35 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:35 <GodTodd> didn't work in my ff
07:35 <GodTodd> but works in my ie
07:35 <GodTodd> heh
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I do feel a little bit dumber for having read her "About me" page
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> so if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go beat on my forehead until I recover
07:36 <GodTodd> you too, huh? that's a real iq melter
07:36 <GodTodd> haha
07:37 <GodTodd> shortening "and" to "nd" is almost as stupid as shortening "something" to "smth"
07:37 <luke-jr_> smth mssd p w gdtd
07:38  * GodTodd points luke-jr_ to aol where he'd probably feel more at home.
07:40  * luke-jr_ s bsy trnng spdy atm
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> worse yet, she shortened it to nD, which still requires three keystrokes
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not actually shorter at all
07:48  * GodTodd never said she was *smart*
07:48 <GodTodd> heh
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, just hot
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:48 <GodTodd> that she is
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> and apparently she agrees with you
07:48 <GodTodd> seems so
07:48 <GodTodd> heh
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> at least since she used flash, it's unlikely that a sexual predator will be able to find her with a search engine
07:50 <GodTodd> true
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> but I have to say, I really hope this gangsta trash language is gone by the time my kids get that old
07:50 <GodTodd> i agree
07:50 <MrBougo> me too
07:50 <GodTodd> it's annoying as hell
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> there's a context where it's actually very entertaining, but I'm not remembering what it was, exactly
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> I think it was one of my wife's friends trying to talk to her step-mom
07:51 <GodTodd> oh...yeah...as a joke it can be hilarious
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> where her step-mom is this so-called liberal white xenophobic lady
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> of course, back then my wife's friends *were* gangsta trash, and the talk wasn't an affectation
07:53 <GodTodd> heh
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> hey, did I tell you I'm fighting with my wife's step mom?
07:53 <GodTodd> not sure
07:53 <GodTodd> what's it over?
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, did I tell you a month ago or so when my sister-in-law was getting her kid baptized, and my wife's step-mom got all psycho about it
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> ?
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> and she attacked my wife and threw religion in her face and shit?
07:54 <GodTodd> no
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not sure there's a quick summary I can give for this, then
07:55 <GodTodd> heh
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> so, when my wife and I met, she told me all these things about her evil step mother and evil step sister
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> I, being the hardcore objectivist I am, took it with a grain of salt
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> over the years I've come to agree with my wife's initial assessment, and to add to it
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> I've concluded the woman's an emotionally abusive person, and that she probably does it as learned behavior (I've met enough of her family to see how they act)
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> so anyway, it turns out that that whole immediate section of the family has had a number of run-ins over religion
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> my father-in-law has taken a fair amount of crap over his choice of church
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> so religion is something of a hot topic with them, which I didn't know, to be honest
07:57 <luke-jr_> you wouldn't
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> my sister-in-law and her husband left the LDS church awhile back
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> and they've taken a lot of shit over it from *his* family, but not from my wife's
07:58 <GodTodd> i take it he's a mormon
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> so my sister-in-law decides to get her kid baptized in my father-in-law's church (episcopal, if you're interested)
07:58 <GodTodd> ah
07:58 <GodTodd> ok
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> my mother-in-law is the only mormon left in the family
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> unless you reach out through too many links, anyway
07:59 <luke-jr_> except for the ones burning in Hell, I think you meaqn
07:59 <luke-jr_> mean*
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> even the mormons in my family are all so distant now that I don't even know who they are
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> dead great-grandparents and 5th cousins and shit
07:59 <GodTodd> right
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my sister-in-law invited my wife to the baptism
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> then she comes down to do it (they live in plano)
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> she picked the weekend that coincided with my wife's birthday
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> my father-in-law asked my wife where she wanted to go for her birthday, and my wife picked Chuy's
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> her step-mom suggested some other place whose name I've forgotten
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> so about an hour or so before we're all supposed to meet, we get a call telling us we're eating at the place her step-mom picked
08:01 <GodTodd> that's fucked up
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> so we go there, and there are two presents of interest here
08:01 <GodTodd> we let the birthday boy/girl pick ;)
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> one is a card from my father-in-law that was signed with first names
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> my wife showed it to her dad, and her step-mom chimes in with "I guess he's not your dad anymore!", which can credibly be called a joke, right?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> between almost any other 2 individuals, anyway
08:02 <GodTodd> right
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> but these 2 individuals have a harsh history which includes episodes like the step-sister picking a fight with my wife, and as a result my wife gets incarcerated (treatment center) and the step-sister doesn't even get a slap on the wrists
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> the other gift was from the step-mom, and it was a broken piece of cheap-ass jewelry from TJ Max
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> and during the dinner somehow it's made clear that we're not invited to the baptism
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> which angers my wife because her sister had already invited her
08:03 <GodTodd> for sure
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> so afterwards, we all get home, and my wife calls to find out what's going on, because we had made plans to attend already
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> her step-mom answers the phone and tells her to meet her at TJ Max so they can get the jewelry exchanged
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> while there, she basically attacks my wife, saying our kids aren't well-behaved enough to go to her church, that we don't have any business being in her church, and shit like that
08:04 <GodTodd> what a bitch
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> so my wife freaks out, tells both of them (her sister was there, and my wife spoke up before she could jump in to defend my wife) that the only reason she talks to them is because I tell her too (mostly true), and
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> that she doesn't want to see them anymore, and walks off
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> so when she gets home, she's really pissed
08:05 <GodTodd> i bet
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> her dad calls her up and tries to patch things up, apologizes profusely, and says we're invited, he just didn't think we'd be interested in that sort of thing
08:06 <luke-jr_> he was right
08:06 <MrBougo> baaah its still scanning
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm pretty pissed too, after sitting at their table for nearly 12 years and watching my food get cold while they all ask God to save them from my wife's step-mom's inability to thoroughly cook a chicken
08:06 <MrBougo> 2 drivesx
08:06 <MrBougo> can someone tell me
08:07 <MrBougo> how its possible to get surround from stereo...
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> so I decide I deserve better, and invitation or not, I'm not going to this baptism, and I don't go
08:07 <MrBougo> thats just like getting 3d from 2d
08:07 <GodTodd> i wouldn't either
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> my wife doesn't want to take all three kids, so she takes my daughter and leaves the other two at home with me
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> now, a little aside
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> our attitude about religion doesn't mean the kids can't go to church, and a baptism is exactly the kind of ceremony that we want them to attend when it's a family event
08:08 <GodTodd> exactly
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> one thing it gives us is the opportunity to show the kids religion in one of its very few good lights, and also to teach them to act like Romans when they're in Rome
08:09 <GodTodd> yep teach them to act appropriately even when they don't understand why it's that way ;)
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> and it's the sort of thing we view that's like a wedding, or a funeral, or what-have-you.  we went to my sister-in-law's sending off when she was going on her mission....
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> (before the left the LDS church, of course)
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> *LSD church
08:09 <GodTodd> of course
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> so my wife, taking this approach, tells my dauhter to stand when everybody stands, sit when everybody sits, and pay attention
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> don't talk during the ceremony, etc.
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> when they get there, the step-mom sits next to my daughter and immediately tries to spend the ceremony talking to her
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> tries to get her to color on the program, and tries to tell her not to sit/stand/whatever with everyone else
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter, being the good girl she is, didn't listen to her
08:10 <GodTodd> haha
08:11 <GodTodd> good :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> the whole next week, the step-mom sustains her attack on my wife, at one point telling my wife that it's nice that I'm so individualistic, but I would never go anywhere
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> my sister-in-law's husband (is he my brother-in-law?) gets involved and mediates those two's conflict, so they work it out
08:12 <GodTodd> yeah...because free-thinkers *never* amount to anything...
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> the sister-in-law does take the last couple of jabs that are required to complete the circle of abuse, but you've gotta keep in mind that she's only recently started the healing process
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's been healing since we got married, but her sister has only recently started
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> (they both suffered the same abuse as kids from their mother)
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> (and the step-mom in this story)
08:13 <GodTodd> i wouldn't doubt it
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> but see, they reacted outwardly quite differently, so that everyone really thinks her sister's the good kid and my wife's the bad kid
08:14 <GodTodd> when it's just how each dealt with the abuse
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> which put my wife in the unfortunate position of being everybody's scapegoat
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> so I kept telling my wife that she needs to actually confront these people
08:15 <GodTodd> yep
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> see, for the most of our married life together, her mother was the #1 problem, and she continued some serious abuse for quite some time
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> so we focused on that, and I'm happy to say that at this time her mother is no longer abusing her
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> she's still crazy, but she's no longer abusive
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> so when her step-mom steps up, now she's the #1 problem, and we're in a position to deal with it
08:16 <GodTodd> a lot of times the abuser (in emotional abuse anyway) doesn't even realize what they're doing
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> because dealing with both of them at the same time would have been overwhelming
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> we're talking purely emotional abuse
08:16 <GodTodd> right
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> no sexual or physical
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> not that there wsn't sexual abuse, it just didn't come from her family when it came
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> bad pun not intended
08:16 <GodTodd> that's the hardest because it hurts more long term and the abuser may not even realize they're abusing
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> no physical abuse, though
08:17 <GodTodd> like luke-jr_ ;)
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> yep, exactly
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> and yes, just like luke-jr (hi there!)
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> so at this point, the step-mom has completely worn out the small amount of trust she'd managed to build over the years, and my wife needs to confront her
08:17 <GodTodd> yep
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> my wife also needs to confront her dad, but that's not a big deal.  His biggest crime is not standing up to his wife
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> so what does my wife do?
08:18 <GodTodd> only two ways it can go and they're both better than status quo
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> she fucking wusses out!
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> she's getting all two-faced now, and with me we're both agreeing we can't trust the step-mom and that we need to take steps to protect our kids
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, today I had to actually enact those steps
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> we were at barnes and noble, and the step-mom is hanging out with my daughter, so I am too, watching her like a hawk (the step-mom, my daughter is very trustworthy)
08:19 <GodTodd> right
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> all of a sudden, with no outward signs of anything going on, the step-mom whispers something in my daughter's ear, and then takes her hand and walks off
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> she turns back to tell me "You can't come with us"
08:20 <GodTodd> i'd say "hell no"
08:20 <GodTodd> :)
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> now, I didn't really think she was going to do anything horrible
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> and I have to admit she took me by surprise
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> so when they got back, which was only a few minutes afterwards, I told her if I can't go, she can't take my daughter there either
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> it turned out to be a bathroom break, but there are still several parts of the event that just don't go right
08:21 <GodTodd> well...couldn't she at least *tell* you...without being so secretive?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> one is that you don't just ask a kid randomly if they need to go to the bathroom.  If her reasoning was that my dauhter had been having problems with that previously,
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't add up because it was proven pretty much completely that my daughter only has that problem when she's in the care of people who don't listen to kids
08:22 <GodTodd> i only ask my son if he does the potty dance
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> and yes, you put your finger on the real problem.  Not only should she have told me because it was the right thing to do, but I have previously explicitly instructed her that that's what she needs to do
08:22 <GodTodd> i agree
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> right, well, after what happened last year at the school, we've been spending the summer getting my daughter to not be shy about telling people she needs to go
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> and to not wait until the last minute
08:23 <GodTodd> my wife's parents don't take the kids anywhere without telling me first
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> if you recall, we weren't aware she was even having a problem going to the bathroom, because she didn't have those problems at home,
08:23 <GodTodd> right
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> or when we go out to eat, or any places we went
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> but she has had that problem with the step-mom
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the step-mom got all mad that I didn't trust her anymore
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> now, I haven't told you the part where the step-mom comes to my wife and apologizes for the sustained attack
08:24 <GodTodd> just tell the step mom that if she has a problem telling you where she's taking your kid/s that you *can* institute a sign in/out procedure ;)
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I also haven't told you the part where the step-mom apologizes for giving my kids random access to candy at her house (a fact I wasn't aware of until recently, which is also contrary to my explicit instructions)
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah...candy bad
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't told you those parts of the story because they *haven't happened*
08:25 <GodTodd> heh
08:26 <GodTodd> i guess i got lucky with in laws....they follow instructions very well ;)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> man
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> my parents would never do any of that shit
08:26 <GodTodd> well...the religion thing never really comes up around us because my father in law is an atheis
08:26 <GodTodd> t
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> as it happens, the only person in the family who likes this woman is her husband
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, my parents are christians, and the religion thing doesn't come up with them
08:27 <GodTodd> that's the best kind of christian
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> my wife told me earlier that she thinks religion is something you're not supposed to talk about, she thinks it's a taboo subject
08:27 <GodTodd> the ones that keep it to themselves :)
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I told her I disagreed, religion is something you shouldn't have to talk about
08:28 <GodTodd> it's not taboo...should just be an open discussion
08:28 <GodTodd> not closed and can only go one way
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> which requires work.  You have to have a certain amount of tolerance, and a certain amount of acceptance, but most importantly,
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> you have to talk about it and know what other people think
08:28 <GodTodd> exactly
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> my father-in-law says he wasn't going to invite us because he didn't think we'd be interested (to the baptism)
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?  why wouldn't we be interested?
08:29 <GodTodd> he should invite you anyway....give *you* that choice
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's very simple, if the religiously oriented ceremony is something you'd normally invite everyone in your family who goes to your church, then it's something you should normally invite everyone in your family
08:29 <GodTodd> even if he said "you may not be interested but..." yada yada
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> what's so hard to understand about that?
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> as you say, it should be our choice.
08:29 <GodTodd> yep
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> if they really genuinely want us there, it should be our choice
08:30 <GodTodd> i agree totally
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> but if they really genuinely want us there, we should go, that's what family does
08:30 <GodTodd> if they don't invite you it is an unspoken "fuck you, stay away"
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> we should *gasp* set aside our differences and go there
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's more to it, the step-mom explicitly cited our religious views and said we were completely unwelcome
08:31 <GodTodd> ok...that's a *spoken* "fuck you, stay away" ;)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> yep
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> now, it's a guarantee that she went home and only told my father-in-law what my wife said
08:31 <GodTodd> in which case, i'd stay away totally and wait for the questions from the ones that *did* genuinely want you there
08:32 <GodTodd> to which questions they'd get totally honest answers
08:32 <GodTodd> but then, i lean toward passive aggressiveness ;)
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to let problems resolve themselves and not stick my hand in it
08:33 <GodTodd> well...in my mind, going would stick my hand in it
08:34 <GodTodd> :)
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> there are very few of the problems I've stuck my hand in that were resolved that I can say sticking my hand in was necessary for it to be resolved
08:34 <GodTodd> that's usually the case
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> nobody over there knows yet that my unattendance was a protest to the attack
08:35 <GodTodd> kind of like changing history...it's likely the same stuff will happen and by meddling you'll just delay the resolution
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> so, if the religion thing is to be taken as the fundamental problem (which I don't think it is), the executive summary is that after taking all this trash for their choice of churches,
08:35 <GodTodd> i just wouldn't lie and say that one of the boys was sick or something...if asked i would tell the truth
08:36 <GodTodd> :)
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's father and his wife have turned around and given trash to us.  Have they learned nothing?
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, nobody's asked
08:36 <GodTodd> right
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> in my family, people would ask.  But then, in my family, there's real communication
08:36 <GodTodd> mine would too
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> we may not always be happy with each other, but we always know where we stand.  :)
08:36 <GodTodd> i'd get a "where the hell were you?" call ;)
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> my wife loves the fact that when we're with anybody in my family, everybody is always so relaxed, everybody is listened to (although you might have to work to make yourself heard), etc.
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, that's probably closer to the call I'd get :)
08:37 <GodTodd> that's just cuz you're loud italians :P
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> :)
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> but in her family everybody is always so guarded, you walk on eggshells, and everybody does it
08:38 <GodTodd> not to be mean, but when i hear you talk about your in laws it makes me feel *much* better about mine ;)
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> see, I never talk much at her family gatherings, so those people haven't gotten to know me as well as they think they do
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'm glad my inlaws are good for something, then
08:39 <GodTodd> haha
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> so when they want to whine about how they've been mistreated for their choice of religion, and that they don't want any trouble with us, I'm not sympathetic
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> if they didn't want trouble, they'd invite us.  Full stop.
08:39 <GodTodd> exactly
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> because my family has quite a sordid history with religion, feuds stretching many years
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> hell, the two reasons my dad didn't talk to his dad for many many years was his choice of career and his choice of church
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> in the end, they resolved their differences because they were both dying (although my dad managed to pull through, his dad didn't)
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> so all the stupid religious bigotry was stopped at my parent's generation, and they were bound and determined not to pass it on
08:41 <GodTodd> smart people
08:41 <GodTodd> religion was never a big deal with my family growing up
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> but my wife's step-mom is a standard american xenophobe, even if she is "liberal"
08:42 <GodTodd> liberal is a no-meaning label
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> my parents quit going to church when they saw how the members of their church treated their son when he left the church
08:42 <MrBougo> is it possible to set an alias so that its possible to use it with sudo?
08:42 <MrBougo> sudo alias doesnt work :/
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> they still believe in god and all, but they've taken the view that everybody's relationships with god is each individual's own problem and none of their business
08:43 <GodTodd> only time my parents went to church was if someone got married or died
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> I wish more christians would take that view
08:43 <GodTodd> yep...that's how i was brought up
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: what kind of alias are you trying to set?
08:43 <MrBougo> huh
08:43 <MrBougo> a bash alias
08:44 <MrBougo> when i set up any alias, it doesnt work with sudo
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, I have to admit my parent's view forms the core of how I implement my own tolerance
08:44 <GodTodd> understandably :)
08:44 <MrBougo> just like the default alias
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: you have to change the root user's login shell
08:44 <MrBougo> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
08:44 <MrBougo> and what do i have to change thee?
08:44 <MrBougo> there*
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> those aliases are defined somehwere, and bash loads them on startup
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> so consult the bash man page for the information, the home directory for root is /root
08:45 <MrBougo> there's only one "root" word in the bash manpage
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know the exact order that shit gets loaded, so you should look at the bash man page for it
08:45 <MrBougo> hehe
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> don't search for root, read about the startup files
08:46 <MrBougo> but there's something crazy
08:46 <MrBougo> sudo: alias: command not found
08:46 <MrBougo> i tried to set up my alias with sudo
08:46 <MrBougo> oh crap
08:46 <MrBougo> there's probly no alias file or such for sudoers
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> that won't work, because sudo forks a new shell every time you run it
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> grrr
08:46 <MrBougo> ow
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> sudo just starts a new bash to run the command
08:47 <MrBougo> it should be possible to use sodu to keep some stuff from the user who invokes it
08:47 <MrBougo> ima check the sudo manpage
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fine, do that
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> but you have to send me a cookie when you find the answer in the bash man page area that talks about startup files
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> so anyway, I was supposed to call her tonight and tell her what the problem is with me
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> and I did, but there was no answer
08:48 <MrBougo> okay i'll send you a cookie
08:49 <MrBougo> line 136
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> and I narrowed it down to three topics that I want to talk to her about.  One is the actual mechanics of how what she did today was totally wrong, and the random access candy thing.  The rest I'm going to delegate to my wife, which is another topic
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> that one is basically that she and I are the wrong two people to be having this conversation, I'm stuck in the middle of something and trying to do my best for my kids, and she and my wife need to have it out
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> and the third topic I don't know if I'm going to bother with, I don't think she'll understand it and I don't feel like wasting my time with it, which is how to deal with people from other religions or that lack a religion
08:51 <MrBougo> heres a coookie
08:51 <MrBougo> .google.com	TRUE	/	FALSE	1457262410	rememberme	false
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, I meant a real baked good that was made in belgium by a real belgian
08:51 <MrBougo> oh
08:51 <MrBougo> the only cookies i have here
08:51 <MrBougo> are industrial
08:51 <MrBougo> and called "new york cookies"
08:52 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: makes sense
08:52 <MrBougo> i'd like real cookies too
08:52 <MrBougo> these new york cookies are chocolate chip cookies
08:53 <MrBougo> with crushed nuts
08:53 <GodTodd> ow
08:54 <MrBougo> oh and chocolate-flavoured paste
08:54 <MrBougo> yummy, but its industrial
08:54 <MrBougo> nothing's better than real cookies
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe that you can't go out and buy a real cookie
08:54 <spidey> ...
08:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: civ?
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> or bake one
08:55 <spidey> luke's gone to bed so it's safe for me to coem out xD
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: nah, I need to make sure I don't sleep in too much tomorrow so I can call my wife's idiot step-mom
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> basically, the civ opportunity for me has passed
08:56 <spidey> fuck
08:56 <spidey> i didn't realize it was 2am
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, it's 2am
08:56 <GodTodd> spidey: what was fucknuts trnng you on, anyway?
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> what language is "trnng"?
08:56 <spidey> haha
08:56 <GodTodd> luke-jr_ language :)
08:56 <MrBougo> turning?
08:57 <MrBougo> tronning?
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> what country speaks "turning"?
08:57 <GodTodd> #last --with trnng
08:57 <armabot> GodTodd: [09:01:56] <Lucifer_arma> what language is "trnng"?
08:57 <MrBougo> taronenaoing
08:57 <GodTodd> #last --with trnng --nolimit
08:57 <armabot> GodTodd: [09:02:28] <GodTodd> #last --with trnng, [09:01:56] <Lucifer_arma> what language is "trnng"?, [09:01:37] <GodTodd> spidey: what was fucknuts trnng you on, anyway?, and [07:46:05] * luke-jr_ s bsy trnng spdy atm
08:57 <MrBougo> hehe
08:57 <MrBougo> actually i'd like to make a joke
08:57 <spidey> training?
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh, he's going to make a joke
08:58 <MrBougo> for a friend
08:58 <GodTodd> that's what i guessed
08:58  * Lucifer_arma gets a brown paper bag ready
08:58 <MrBougo> like he just crashed my system
08:58 <MrBougo> with a virtual machine
08:58 <MrBougo> make an alias "ku"
08:58 <MrBougo> to delete the kernel
08:58 <MrBougo> and make him type sudo ku
08:58 <MrBougo> get it?
08:58  * Lucifer_arma barfs into his paper bag
08:58 <MrBougo> xD
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> is the joke over?
08:58 <spidey> LOL
08:58 <MrBougo> it is
08:58 <MrBougo> i think
08:58 <MrBougo> i want him to panic
08:59  * Lucifer_arma puts the paper bag into the trash
08:59 <MrBougo> hehe
08:59 <GodTodd> a kernel panic?
08:59 <MrBougo> but the problem is that i cant get an alias working with sudo
08:59 <MrBougo> oh, i could make a script
08:59 <MrBougo> thank you for your help
08:59 <GodTodd> all this work for a practical joke?
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> eh?  you call that joke practical?
08:59 <MrBougo> and for gaining exp
08:59 <GodTodd> we obviously need to outsource more jobs to belgium
08:59 <MrBougo> lalw
09:00 <MrBougo> lawl*
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> nah, belgium's got some crazy labor laws
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> hell, the fact that they've got labor laws is pretty crazy
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> hey, did I tell you I might have a new job of sorts?  :)
09:00 <GodTodd> and the people to go with them ;)
09:00 <GodTodd> new job? doing?
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> building amps :)
09:00 <GodTodd> hrmm
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> one of the teachers I worked with over the summer has a husband that designs tube amps
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> as a hobby
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> he's willing to spend some money to have someone build the prototypes so he can focus on the design
09:01 <GodTodd> cool :)
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> he's also interested in trying to make some money selling the boards to the DIY amp community, and he's already got a name in said community
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> so we're going to try a few amps and see if we can agree on a price point
09:02 <MrBougo> sudo cat /dev/input/mice is funney :(
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> he suggested I could try to make some extra cash by selling the amps, and I suggested web marketing (of course)
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> so we'll see how it goes.  I'm not quitting my job at the school for it, it'll be extra cash
09:03 <GodTodd> right
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> but it comes at the right time when I could use some extra cash, and I'd like to pursue this new-found electronics hobby
09:04 <GodTodd> fun, ain't it? :)
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> if the extra cash is there, then the justification is there to buy certain items needed to pursue electronics as a hobby :)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> one thing I'll need to do this is a bench supply, so I can test the amp circuits I build before I build the power supply part
09:05 <spidey> er
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> because I need to know the amp is good before I hook up the power supply in case the power supply isn't good, and I'll need to test the power supply too of course
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> the first amp he wants me to build is this one:
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.amb.org/audio/ck2/
09:10 <GodTodd> shouldn't be too bad
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> nah, not too bad at all, but I should get a decent soldering iron for it :)
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> I can probably get away with that, but a bench supply is pushing it right now
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> so I can just build what's there with the supply it has, hope that I don't screw anything up and trust that the design itself is good
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> take the money and move on, probably aim on getting a bench supply for the first actual prototype he wants me to build
09:13 <GodTodd> right
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13:32 <armabot> pong
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15:01 <philippeqc> hello
15:02 <Angel-H> do you know by any chance how to personalise the bots names for a server ? :)
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15:04 <Ill> hi all
15:04 <Angel-H> hi :)
15:04 <Ill> just a nube q: what is the best linux round?
15:08 <philippeqc> linux round?
15:09 <philippeqc> The only true answer is : "the one that makes you stick with it and start fixing the small part that do not work for you"
15:10 <Ill> linux around i meant
15:10 <philippeqc> They will all give you "troubles", be it a non-working sound card, or a font that you dont like in the window manager. The question is "is it giving you enought of what you want for you to stick with it"?
15:11 <philippeqc> There are no real "best". It more catering to somewhat differrent tastes. Gentoo give you plenty of opportunity to tune and retune your system.
15:11 <philippeqc> Slackware and or Suse have a long history, and some people like to stick with them or their feeling
15:12 <philippeqc> Debian/Ubuntu are the new raising popular ones
15:12 <philippeqc> Mandriva get rids of many of the hassles normaly associated with linux to get you running faster
15:14 <Ill> thanx
15:14 <philippeqc> Basically, yes you will have to try a few. On my laptop, some years ago, I tried Debian, which refused to give me X 4.1 (it was 3.6 by default), the red hat "worked" but had way ugly desktop and no easy package installation (in the style of "I want X, install all that is required") and then Mandrake just "worked" enough for me to try and address the remaining issue
15:16 <philippeqc> After a year, switched to Gentoo in the hope to get access to accelerated 3d rendering on my integrated graphic card, but never really managed, and after a few months of spending more time maintaining it than actually using it, i ditched it back for Mandriva.
15:18 <philippeqc> Now on my desktop pc, I decided to just try Ubuntu, knowing I could fall back on Mandriva. They are quite equal to each other with wide software selection and the possiblity to download and install directly from the net, and enough GUI admin tools so that you dont need to go trhough long docs just for trivial task (such as opening a port or 2 on the firewall)
15:23 <philippeqc> Ill: if you want an easy answer, burn both Ubuntu and Mandriva installation CD's, close your eyes and stick on in the drive. If it fail, try the other.
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15:31 <Ill> cyall
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16:09 <philippeqc> Hi MrBougo
16:10 <MrBougo> hiho philippeqc
16:10 <philippeqc> Been a while
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16:33 <MrBougo> yup philippeqc
16:33 <MrBougo> sry :p
16:33 <philippeqc> ?
16:34 <MrBougo> late answer
16:34 <philippeqc> o yeah
16:34 <philippeqc> my mind in Ruby learning mode atm
16:34 <MrBougo> hehe
16:34 <MrBougo> i'll learn python when i get my laptop
16:34 <philippeqc> why python?
16:34 <MrBougo> but first i need to finish my student job :p
16:35 <philippeqc> what is your job?
16:35 <MrBougo> cause my physics teacher gave me a book
16:35 <MrBougo> a GPL book :p
16:35 <MrBougo> i'm working in a hypermarket
16:35 <philippeqc> neat, what is it about
16:35 <MrBougo> frozen food department
16:35 <MrBougo> it's about learning python :)
16:36 <philippeqc> so people click their groceries online and you ship them frozen peas?
16:36 <MrBougo> naaaah
16:36 <MrBougo> wtf
16:36 <MrBougo> we're talking about two different thing at th same time
16:36 <MrBougo> thigs* the*
16:36 <MrBougo> im working so i can buy a laptop
16:36 <philippeqc> oooo hyper not at hyperlink but as hyper is bigger than super kinda market
16:37 <MrBougo> and when i get my laptop i'll learn python
16:37 <MrBougo> yep
16:37 <philippeqc> yeah, but I managed to follow that
16:37 <MrBougo> hehe
16:37 <philippeqc> though you worked on an amazon of food
16:38 <philippeqc> If I give you 2 free books, one about ruby (http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/) and one about C++ (http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/) like your phys teacher gave you, does that mean you will learn them too?
16:38 <MrBougo> nah
16:38 <MrBougo> i'll learn python fisrt :p
16:39 <MrBougo> cause it's a real book
16:39 <MrBougo> with paper and stuff you know
16:39 <MrBougo> it still exists
16:39 <MrBougo> and python is better for starting programming, isnt it?
16:39 <philippeqc> printed myself a dead tree version of the C++ one, and the Ruby one is published on cellulose pulp too ;)
16:39 <philippeqc> Dunno!
16:40 <MrBougo> either
16:40 <philippeqc> I'd just keep away from C++
16:40 <MrBougo> anyway i'll learn python
16:40 <MrBougo> so would i
16:40 <MrBougo> C++ is too complex for a 1st language
16:40 <MrBougo> not 1st actually
16:40 <MrBougo> i've done some visualbasic
16:40 <philippeqc> complex, not, picky, yes
16:40 <MrBougo> eek
16:40 <MrBougo> yep
16:40 <MrBougo> complex to learn :)
16:40 <philippeqc> very simple, it has close to no libraries, while ruby/python have huges ones
16:41 <philippeqc> ;)
16:41 <MrBougo> that's less confusion, right?
16:41 <MrBougo> you only load the libs you need
16:41 <philippeqc> O yeah! By default, you cant do network, threading, GUI and all that stuff. Just counting and shuffling data around.'
16:42 <MrBougo> :(
16:42 <philippeqc> Ha yes, but they are not standard! The network lib for Unix isnt the same as the one for Windows. While Python/Ruby/Java all come with one big library that does all that.
16:42 <philippeqc> That is a few more chapters in the book ;)
16:43 <MrBougo> wee
16:43 <philippeqc> Lets try to cut down the confusion: Why do you want to learn to program. What kind of problems you want to address=
16:43 <philippeqc> ?
16:43 <MrBougo> wth you printed a whole book?
16:43 <MrBougo> ah no
16:44 <MrBougo> i just want to have fun with my computer
16:44 <MrBougo> understand how things work
16:44 <philippeqc> yes, at a previous work place, like 20-30 pages a day (in 2 pages per sheet mode)
16:44 <MrBougo> phew, at a work place
16:44 <MrBougo> thats ok then :p
16:44 <philippeqc> It wasnt much more than the daily report I needed to print !
16:45 <philippeqc> C++
16:45 <philippeqc> oups
16:47 <philippeqc> C++'s goal is to a) get you close to the hardware (think of drivers or embedded systems), b) give you multi-paradigm capacity (both procedural and Object Oriented) c) allows you to extract the most of the resources at hand (ie: do big calculation)
16:48 <philippeqc> Python has often been said to be an excellent prototyping language (ie: you first code something in Python to see if it works and learn from the problem area, then use what you learned to code it in another language)
16:48 <philippeqc> Note that I didn't say that Python was a prototyping language, just that is is often used for that very succesfully.
16:49 <philippeqc> Google for example looked for python skills in their hiring process, even though they do not use it in their products.
16:50 <philippeqc> As for Ruby, even though I'm studiying it, I know very little of its advantages and regular uses.
16:55 <philippeqc> And just not to ignore anyone, the whole Java vs C++ could be turned to a Alkatras vs Fort Knocks. Both are secure place, but one of them got much of it for free by using a rocky island in the middle of a wide bay with heavy currents. In the same way, you often get a lot for free(at no developer cost) with Java.
16:58 <philippeqc> At a previous work place, one group of 4 Java developers + 1 manager where coding toward a single server that had to take all the payments information from all the banks, and match it to the companies account. So if you used you mobile phone for like 54$ one month, 37$ the second and 73$ the third, and where late paying, then payed twice in the same month like 47$ and 21$, they had to all match it up.
17:00 <philippeqc> Anyway, my point is, 4 coders + 1 manager, 1 server, what do you think cost you each month, the coding time or the machine? So giving tools for the coder to spend less time chasing pointers and more time delivering features might mean you need to fork the green for a server twice as powerfull, but even that wont come near with a single month of development cost.
17:06 <MrBougo> amen
17:11 <philippeqc> lol
17:12 <philippeqc> the real question is why are you waiting before starting to learn Python?
17:12 <philippeqc> Seems to me you have access to a puter right now!
17:18 <MrBougo> philippeqc: the only computer we have here is the family computer
17:18 <MrBougo> i dont have much access :p
17:18 <MrBougo> sis or mom always want it
17:18 <MrBougo> so do i
17:19 <philippeqc> It's called pen and papers
17:19 <MrBougo> mh
17:19 <MrBougo> i cant learn without experimenting
17:19 <MrBougo> i can actually
17:19 <MrBougo> but it doesnt stay :p
17:19 <philippeqc> Read the dead tree book, note stuff on paper, quickly jolt things to try later when the puter is free
17:19 <MrBougo> yup
17:20 <MrBougo> but i prefer having access when i want it
17:20 <MrBougo> so if i wounder about some stuff
17:20 <MrBougo> i dont have to wait 30 minutes
17:20 <MrBougo> i can experiment directly
17:20 <MrBougo> brb
17:20 <philippeqc> I know, I'm just telling you you can get a head start
17:20 <MrBougo> yup i know
17:20 <MrBougo> but i prefer starting later
17:21 <MrBougo> and being sure that i'll feel comfortable
17:21 <MrBougo> brb now :p
17:22 <philippeqc> k
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17:30 <Bougo> crap! damn connection!
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17:32 <philippeqc> Mr B: Got a wireless router I hope?
17:33 <philippeqc> to fully enjoy your laptop
17:47 <MrBougo> philippeqc: i'll get one, you
17:47 <MrBougo> patcha thing about a belkin?
17:48 <MrBougo> modem+router
17:48 <MrBougo> is it good stuff?
17:48 <MrBougo> i have one at dad's, and i have no problem with it
17:48 <MrBougo> but i'm not using the wireless a lot
17:48 <philippeqc> yeah, but now that I'm no longer using my laptop, it just still idle (except for the 2 desktop I mean)
17:49 <philippeqc> dont have a modem + router, have cable here, and they gave us the cable modem
17:49 <MrBougo> oh
17:49 <MrBougo> no cable here
17:49 <MrBougo> its fackin expensive
17:49 <philippeqc> dsl?
17:49 <philippeqc> dial-up?
17:49 <MrBougo> its the only place in brussels where the cable is expensive
17:49 <qxdtz> need money for macbook
17:49 <MrBougo> dsl
17:49 <qxdtz> donate
17:49 <qxdtz> pls!
17:49 <qxdtz> :D
17:50 <philippeqc> qxdtz: me too! Can you donate to me?
17:50 <qxdtz> never
17:50 <qxdtz> and you?
17:50 <qxdtz> D:
17:50 <MrBougo> ill donate you if you donate me
17:50 <philippeqc> well, I was considering donating to you, but not anymore
17:50 <MrBougo> to*
17:50 <philippeqc> ;)
17:50 <qxdtz> you donate me, and i donate back you
17:50 <qxdtz> XD
17:52 <philippeqc> ok, you first ;)
17:53 <qxdtz> no!
17:53 <qxdtz> :(
17:53 <philippeqc> darn! Such a near perfect plan!
18:32 <MrBougo> mmmh
18:32 <MrBougo> yummy
18:32 <MrBougo> chicken red curry and rice
18:32 <MrBougo> spicy
18:40 <MrBougo> mmh
18:40  * philippeqc is jealous! I want some one else to cook my food too
18:40 <MrBougo> bought it where i work :p
18:40 <MrBougo> frozen
18:41 <philippeqc> the frozen web-store
18:41 <philippeqc> ;)
18:42 <MrBougo> hehe
18:42 <MrBougo> it isnt web
18:42 <MrBougo> but you know
18:42 <MrBougo> but sometimes i cant spot irony
18:42 <MrBougo> but i can spot that i look dumb now
18:42 <qxdtz> .
18:42 <philippeqc> chicken break and lettuce head are calling my stomack to a different room
18:42 <qxdtz> .
18:42 <qxdtz> .
18:42 <kidanger> hi
18:43 <kidanger> salut MrBougo
18:43 <MrBougo> hop
18:44 <kidanger> MrBougo: J'ai pas (encore) reussi a faire un script en php :/
18:44 <MrBougo> :(
18:46 <kidanger> j'ai reessayer quelque chose en bash, mais ça marche mal
18:47 <MrBougo> yummy
18:47 <MrBougo> bah je sais pas kidanger
18:47 <kidanger> :P
18:49 <MrBougo> there are little thingies in my meal
18:50 <qxdtz> ...
18:50 <MrBougo> looks like peas
18:50 <MrBougo> a bit bigger though
18:50 <qxdtz> bu o go
18:50 <MrBougo> and very spicy
18:50 <MrBougo> hot
18:50 <qxdtz> b o r i n g
18:50 <MrBougo> i think these are little eggplants
18:50 <MrBougo> qxdtz: ?
18:51 <qxdtz> you are boring mrbougo
18:51 <qxdtz> ;)
18:51 <MrBougo> why am i
18:51 <qxdtz> because digitx boring too
18:51 <MrBougo> you are digitx
18:51 <qxdtz> sure
18:51 <qxdtz> indeed
18:52 <kidanger> MrBougo: tu t'y connais en "regex" ?
18:52 <MrBougo> bof
18:52 <qxdtz> smart bugi
18:52 <MrBougo> pas trop
18:52 <qxdtz> ;p
18:53 <kidanger> MrBougo: je cherche comment "chercher" "committed suicide"
18:53 <kidanger> et "core dumped"
18:53 <qxdtz> comment va tu bugi?
18:54 <MrBougo> je sais pas kidanger
18:54 <MrBougo> y'a des sites spécialisés en regex
18:54 <MrBougo> en français
18:55 <kidanger> oui oui, je sort !
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19:01 <mixnetwork> Tank?
19:02 <qxdtz> program
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19:39 <MrBougo> lol
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20:06 <xfroggy> anyone wants to help me with a winzone :)))
20:06 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:06 <armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:06 <xfroggy> everyone's dead
20:07 <qxdtz> :D
20:07 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:07 <armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:07 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:07 <armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:07 <xfroggy> -.-
20:07 <qxdtz> i won
20:07 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:07 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:07  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:07 <qxdtz> :D
20:07 <qxdtz> oww
20:07 <xfroggy> :S
20:07 <qxdtz> you won:D
20:07 <xfroggy> :D
20:08 <FatesDestiny> lol
20:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by ChanServ
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> #roulette
20:12 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: *click*
20:12 <xfroggy> hehe Lucifer_arma :D
20:12 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:12 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> #roulette
20:12 <@armabot> Lucifer_arma: *click*
20:12 <xfroggy> qxdtz, ur turn :P
20:12 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:12 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:12  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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20:12 <qxdtz> xDDDDDDDDDDDDD
20:13 <xfroggy> >:(
20:13 <qxdtz> naab! xD
20:13 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:13 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:13 <qxdtz> oh yea
20:13 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:13 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:13 <xfroggy> xD
20:13 <qxdtz> oh yea
20:13 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:13 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:13 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:13 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:13 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:13 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:13 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:13 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:13  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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20:13 <qxdtz> i won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:13 <xfroggy> twice :(((
20:13 <qxdtz> heheheh
20:13 <qxdtz> :D
20:13 <qxdtz> i won
20:13 <qxdtz> new round
20:13 <xfroggy> best out 5
20:13 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:13 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:13 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:13 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:13 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:13 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:13 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:13 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:13  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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20:14 <xfroggy> grr
20:14 <qxdtz> AGAIN i WON!!!!!
20:14 <qxdtz> 2:0
20:14 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:14 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:14  * xfroggy scared
20:14 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:14 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:14 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:14 <xfroggy> whew.
20:14 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:14 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:14 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:14 <xfroggy> xD
20:14 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:14 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:14 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:14 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:14  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:14 -!- xfroggy [n=xfroggy@adsl-144-128-101.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #armagetron
20:14 <qxdtz> 3:0
20:14 <qxdtz> unlucky
20:14 <qxdtz> now you start
20:14 <xfroggy> I'm getting a suspicion that Lucifer_arma got something to do with that O_o
20:15 <qxdtz> start
20:15 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:15 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:15  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:15 -!- xfroggy [n=xfroggy@adsl-144-128-101.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #armagetron
20:15 <qxdtz> 4:0
20:15 <xfroggy> -.-
20:15 <qxdtz> armabot like me
20:15 <qxdtz> :)
20:15  * xfroggy lost :(
20:15 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:15 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:15 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:15 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:15  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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20:15 <qxdtz> 5:0
20:15 <xfroggy> omg...
20:15 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:15 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:15 <xfroggy> he hates me!
20:15 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:15 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:15 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:15 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:15 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:15 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:15 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:15 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:15 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:15 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:15  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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20:15 <qxdtz> 6:0
20:15 <xfroggy> :'(
20:15 <qxdtz> ok, what you give me?
20:16 <qxdtz> i need ssh account
20:16 <qxdtz> :D
20:16 <xfroggy> my 6 lifes
20:16 <qxdtz> -.-
20:16 <qxdtz> ok you are cat
20:16 <qxdtz> you have 9 age
20:16 <xfroggy> xD
20:16 <qxdtz> start
20:16 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:16 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:16 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:16 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:16 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:16 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:16 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:16 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:16 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:16 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:16 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:16 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:16  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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20:16 <qxdtz> 7:0
20:16 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:16 <xfroggy> something ain't fair here -.-
20:16 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:16 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:16 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:16 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:16 -!- qxdtz was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:16  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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20:16 <xfroggy> ha!
20:17 <qxdtz> 7:1
20:17 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:17 <xfroggy> finally :D
20:17 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:17 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:17 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:17 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:17 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:17 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:17 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:17 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:17 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:17 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:17 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:17  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:17 -!- xfroggy [n=xfroggy@adsl-144-128-101.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #armagetron
20:17 <qxdtz> 8:1
20:17 <xfroggy> Oo
20:17 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:17 <qxdtz> i know what is tactics
20:17 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:17 <qxdtz> :)
20:17 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:17 -!- qxdtz was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:17  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:17 -!- qxdtz [n=qxdtz@unaffiliated/qxdtz] has joined #armagetron
20:17 <xfroggy> you sure do..
20:17 <xfroggy> ;D
20:17 <qxdtz> 8:2
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20:17 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:17 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:18  * xfroggy on his last life
20:18 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:18 <@armabot> xfroggy: *click*
20:18 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:18 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:18 <xfroggy> armabot, I love you <3
20:18 <xfroggy> #roulette
20:18 -!- xfroggy was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:18  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:18 -!- xfroggy [n=xfroggy@adsl-144-128-101.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #armagetron
20:18 <qxdtz> XDDDDDDDDdddddddddd
20:18 <xfroggy> armabot, doesn't like men :P
20:18 <qxdtz> 9:2
20:18 <qxdtz> ok
20:18 <qxdtz> and now
20:18 <qxdtz> ssh account?
20:18 <qxdtz> :)
20:18 <xfroggy> can I make one up :D
20:20 <qxdtz> i wanna play with z-man
20:20 <qxdtz> xD
20:20 <xfroggy> lol!
20:20 <qxdtz> but if i win
20:20 <xfroggy> why armabot hates me so much :(
20:20 <qxdtz> i need ssh account
20:20 <qxdtz> :D
20:20 <qxdtz> because you flood
20:20 <qxdtz> look:
20:20 <qxdtz> .
20:20 <qxdtz> -
20:20 <qxdtz> .-
20:20 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:20 <xfroggy> Oo
20:20 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:21 <qxdtz> hm
20:21 <qxdtz> fweé
20:21 <qxdtz> wefwefwef
20:21 <qxdtz> hm
20:21 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:21 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:21 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:21 -!- qxdtz was kicked from #armagetron by armabot [BANG!]
20:21 <xfroggy> -.-
20:21  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
20:21 -!- qxdtz [n=qxdtz@unaffiliated/qxdtz] has joined #armagetron
20:21 <qxdtz> #roulette
20:21 <xfroggy> qxdtz, lol :D
20:21 <@armabot> qxdtz: *click*
20:21 <qxdtz> you see?
20:21 <qxdtz> :p
20:21 <xfroggy> hmm, he really based on flooding O_o
20:21 <qxdtz> i'm good
20:21 <qxdtz> :D
20:21 <xfroggy> -.-
20:22 <xfroggy> ;_;
20:22 <qxdtz> #kill Bunny
20:22 <@armabot> Bunny will die on 08:03 PM, July 06, 2007 GMT due to being stabbed in the eye by qxdtz
20:22 <xfroggy> #smoke
20:22 <xfroggy> Oo
20:24 <xfroggy> #stone
20:24 <@armabot> 2 fat hash joints for BedMan and xfroggy, here you are guys, enjoy morocco stuff.
20:24 <xfroggy> ah :D
20:28 <qxdtz> lol
20:28 <qxdtz> :D
20:28 <qxdtz> where is zman
20:28 <qxdtz> omg
20:28 <qxdtz> :D
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20:33 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
20:33 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o armabot] by Lucifer_arma
20:33 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
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21:55 <FatesDestiny> hi i was told i could get help here with map design
21:55 <FatesDestiny> and i was told luke was the man :)
22:08 <FatesDestiny> luke-jr, hi luke, i was told you make maps and may be able to help me with map design
22:11 <NeoThermic> Maps are programmed in Malbolge ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge ) ;)
22:11 <FatesDestiny> ty :D i'm making one and i have some kinda off the wall ideas i wanna try
22:12 <NeoThermic> Hehe, I'm just kidding about Malbolge.
22:12 <FatesDestiny>  lol ohhh
22:12 <FatesDestiny> i was fixin to look it up
22:12 <NeoThermic> It's the most evil programming language in the world
22:12 <FatesDestiny>  ohhh
22:13 <NeoThermic> makes a good read if only to understand that it's awful
22:13 <FatesDestiny> that wasn't very nice :P
22:13 <NeoThermic> This Malbolge program displays "Hello, world."
22:13 <NeoThermic>  (=<`:9876Z4321UT.-Q+*)M'&%$H"!~}|Bzy?=|{z]KwZY44Eq0/{mlk**
22:13 <NeoThermic>  hKs_dG5[m_BA{?-Y;;Vb'rR5431M}/.zHGwEDCBA@98\6543W10/.R,+O<
22:13 <FatesDestiny> do you have any idea how respawning works or how win zones work
22:14 <NeoThermic> Nope, sorry. I only play Armagetron :)
22:15 <FatesDestiny> :) well this is my first try at a map
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22:51 <luke-jr_> FatesDestiny: who told you that nonsense?
22:51 <luke-jr_> I've made very few maps, very long time ago
22:51 <FatesDestiny> ohh someone in tron said to ask luke or kyle
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> nobody seriously recommends talking to luke
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> you tried the wiki already, right?
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> the detailed documentation is there...
22:59 <FatesDestiny> i did, but i can't really find out how, i kinda found something on spawning a zone, but i'm not sure if it is going to work how i need it to
23:00 <FatesDestiny> i want to set it so that the win zone has to be found in order to end the round
23:01 <FatesDestiny> i also want to be able to respawn players
23:21 <luke-jr_> FatesDestiny: talking to me is just to register with the repository
23:22 <luke-jr_> and someday that will be z-man
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23:38 <DrJoeTron> that was one shitty week
23:39 <DrJoeTron> WB electricity
23:51 -!- FatesDestiny [n=Compaq_O@ip24-253-244-124.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"]

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