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00:15 <Lucifer_arma> he deletes it, with 2 hours left on a 6GB torrent
00:17 <luke-jr> ...
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01:21 <eddiefantastic> kidanger, you there?
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, anything to quickly reverse some text?
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> #list
01:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
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02:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: wb
02:37 <spidey> :D
02:39 <Vanhayes> Feeciv, right now, whos in?
02:39 <spidey> not i
02:39 <luke-jr_> right now is very fast
02:39 <spidey> well
02:39 <spidey> luke, luke can' i play civ? :p
02:39 <luke-jr_> you forgot to say plz
02:39 <spidey> lol
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02:41 <Lucifer_arma> not I
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, yeah, no, can't
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> working on my computers right now
02:41 <luke-jr_> so is spidey
02:41 <luke-jr_> and I deleted all his pr0n
02:42 <spidey> luke-jr, wanna do this on both servers,next? :p
02:42 <luke-jr_> dunno, maybe
02:42 <spidey> xD
02:42 <luke-jr_> you know how now, rihgt? :)
02:42 <spidey> sorta
02:42 <spidey> you type to fast for me to keep up
02:42 <luke-jr_> lol
02:44 <spidey> and gui is out of the question for them
02:44 <luke-jr_> if they're servers, duh
02:44 <spidey> if it took that long on this box, it'll take weeks on those
02:44 <spidey> heh
02:45 <spidey> btw, there's no sound O.o
02:46 <luke-jr_> o
02:46 <luke-jr_> go into control center
02:47 <luke-jr_> Sound Service or smth
02:47 <luke-jr_> Sound System
02:47 <luke-jr_> set auto-suspend to 0 sec
02:47 <luke-jr_> then go to hardware tab
02:47 <luke-jr_> ALSA sound
02:47 <luke-jr_> for audio device
02:48 <Vanhayes> what are you two doing?
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> ?
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> in KDE?
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> man, disable that arts bullshit
02:49 <luke-jr_> he won't get KDE sound w/o it
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> sure he will
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> he'll get better sound
02:49 <luke-jr_> KDE doesn't support sound except via arts
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> all arts does is an a layer of latency, and then promises to crash often
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> um, arts just provides an OSS and an ALSA interface to itself
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> if you disable arts, then apps using oss/alsa will get alsa directly
02:50 <luke-jr_> and KDE won't get sound period
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> if he doesn't have sound, it's not because arts isn't running
02:50 <luke-jr_> setting auto-suspend to 0 fixes the non-arts apps
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, mr expert, then explain why it is that I disable arts on every box I use, and never have a problem
02:50 <spidey> still no mixer :D
02:51 <luke-jr_> because you don't care about KDE sounds
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> the problem isn't arts, the problem is that the kernel hasn't even loaded the right sound card module
02:51 <luke-jr_> yes it has
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> um, true, but I still hear kde sounds
02:51 <luke-jr_> not w/o arts
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> then why doesn't he have sound?  (it's not arts that's the problem!)
02:51 <luke-jr_> cuz he unplugged his speakers
02:51 <luke-jr_> tbh
02:52 <spidey> wait
02:52 <spidey> luke's right
02:52 <spidey> -.-
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fine, then under your hypothesis, he should have sound with some other application besides kde, right?
02:52 <luke-jr_> he doesn't *have* any other application
02:52 <luke-jr_> except aplay
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> such as mpg123...
02:52 <luke-jr_> and that worked before he unplugged his speakers
02:52 <spidey> now
02:53  * spidey goes to test sound
02:53 <spidey> well i thought is there supposed to be a sound icon?
02:53 <luke-jr_> yeah, it's installing now
02:53 <luke-jr_> see your konsole
02:53 <spidey> o
02:54 <luke-jr_> kmix
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> aumix is better
02:55 <spidey> oh hays. i r dustin. i make music, photoshop, and other stuffs. i like computer. it is best friend. forgive my pour english, im from texas.
02:55 <spidey> haha
02:55 <luke-jr_> wtf is aumix
02:55 <luke-jr_> ...
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> aumix > kmix
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> but you'll never get a kde fanboy to see that
02:55 <luke-jr_> that doesn't answer the question
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> obviously aumix is another mixer application
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> kmix makes certain things a real pain in the ass because it tries to copy the windows mixer too much
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> aumix doesn't, and it makes those things real easy
02:56 <luke-jr_> such as?
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> and it matters when you actually want to do multitrack recording
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> setting the capture device, mostly
02:56 <luke-jr_> omg
02:56 <spidey> luke-jr_: can i use teamspeak atm?
02:56 <luke-jr_> it's so hard to click a red button?
02:56 <luke-jr_> spidey: nevar!
02:57 <spidey> ..
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> now, it's true that kmix finally does it (it didn't used to, that's a recent feature), but aumix is still easier to use
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> the point, luke, is that until about a year ago, kmix didn't have any way to pick the capture device, you could only say capture or not, but not pick a device
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> alsa lets you use any device the mixer knows about as the capture device, but kmix arbitrarily limits you to input devices
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> and then only devices it knows are input devices
02:58 <spidey> ew@ military time
02:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: check the locale settings in kcontrol
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> spidey's used kde before, hasn't he?
03:00 <spidey> long long ago
03:00 <spidey> i mostly use gnome
03:00 <luke-jr_> used*
03:00 <spidey> -.-
03:00 <luke-jr_> lol
03:00 <spidey> yes, used, because if it takes as long to emerge as kde did, screw that :
03:00 <spidey> ;p
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> takes longer
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03:01 <spidey> yea, screw that
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> gnome's got twice the bloat and even less of the useless features kde has
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> although I'm starting to like digikam, for some reason
03:01 <spidey> i always ran smoother under gnome
03:01 <spidey> which is why i started using it
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> weird, it was backwards for me
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> and I hated the gui, on top of it
03:02 <spidey> <3 fluxbox
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> what we really need is a nice qt-based desktop environment that doesn't suck
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> sadly, all we've got is kde
03:02 <luke-jr_> kde4 sucks just as much
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03:03 <spidey> ok which option is this clock thing under?
03:03 <luke-jr_> search for locale
03:03 <spidey> ah
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> you could just right-click the clock on your panel
03:03 <luke-jr_> nope
03:04 <spidey> aye
03:04 <luke-jr_> this is where KDE is stupid
03:04 <spidey> what's that money: thing
03:04 <luke-jr_> rightclicking the clock does not have the locale stuff
03:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: ...
03:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: how you write money out
03:04 <spidey> says Money: $123,456,789.00 / $ (123,456,789.00)
03:04 <spidey> o
03:04 <luke-jr_> this stuff is all formatting
03:04 <luke-jr_> so chang the time formatting
03:04 <Lucifer_arma> ah right, the clock only gives you the timezone, not complete local config
03:05 <luke-jr_> ya
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> it's ok to be buried, though, because you should really only have to configure the locale once
03:06 <spidey> i have to restart kde for the clock to update?
03:06 <spidey> o.O
03:06 <luke-jr_> no
03:06 <luke-jr_> killall kicker
03:06 <luke-jr_> :)
03:06 <spidey> aye
03:07 <spidey> :D
03:07 <luke-jr_> kmix
03:08 <spidey> :D
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03:11 <spidey> ok so
03:11 <spidey> eix packagename
03:11 <spidey> and emerge --ask package
03:11 <spidey> right?
03:11 <luke-jr_> eix searches
03:11 <spidey> k
03:12 <luke-jr_> --ask gives you a proposed install and yes/no
03:12 <spidey> k
03:15 <spidey> spidey@hax ~ $ QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image
03:15 <spidey> ? O.o
03:16 <luke-jr_> ignore it
03:16 <spidey> aye
03:16 <spidey> it gave another one
03:21 <spidey> ok jabber d/c'd and i can't figure out how to reconnect =/
03:21 <luke-jr_> idiot
03:21 <spidey> ?
03:21 <luke-jr_> moron
03:21 <luke-jr_> its easy
03:21 <spidey> ...
03:21 <luke-jr_> and obvious
03:22 <spidey> grr
03:22 <luke-jr_> I've seen you look over it at least 5 times so far
03:22 <spidey> ...
03:22 <spidey> how?
03:22 <luke-jr_> you've only been spending the past 5 minutes trying to figure out out
03:22 <luke-jr_> and it's right there in front of you
03:23 <spidey> LOL
03:23 <luke-jr_> click the lightbulb again
03:23 <luke-jr_> Online
03:23 <luke-jr_> duh
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: heh, that's not an obvious way to do it
03:23 <luke-jr_> it is when he's had the mouse over it 3 times
03:23 <spidey> wtf
03:24 <spidey> how you see what i'm doing?
03:24 <luke-jr_> I told you I was spying
03:24 <spidey> -.-
03:24 <luke-jr_> I think Dreamhost's IM servers are down or smth
03:25 <luke-jr_> wtf are you doing updatedb
03:25 <luke-jr_> you don't even know what it does
03:25 <spidey> updates locate?
03:25 <luke-jr_> ...
03:25 <luke-jr_> ok maybe you do
03:25 <spidey> ...
03:25 <luke-jr_> lol
03:25 <luke-jr_> so what are we doing next
03:25 <spidey> not sure :D
03:26 <spidey> amarok?
03:26 <luke-jr_> that's already goin
03:26 <spidey> o
03:26 <luke-jr_> lol
03:26 <spidey> OUCH
03:26 <spidey> that freakin crashing sound
03:26 <luke-jr_> Kopete has the worst error msgs ever
03:26 <luke-jr_> I guess spidey's sound is working again
03:27 <luke-jr_> spidey
03:27 <spidey> ?
03:27 <luke-jr_> try the menu for TS
03:27 <spidey> what menu?
03:27 <luke-jr_> ok TS sux more
03:28 <luke-jr_> run kappfinder
03:29 <spidey> ...
03:29 <luke-jr_> "TeamSpeak"
03:30 <luke-jr_> capitalized like so
03:31 <spidey> sound driver's in use
03:31 <spidey> and wtf's with this error
03:31 <luke-jr_> running GUI apps in a console gives debug output
03:31 <spidey> o
03:32 <luke-jr_> check Sound Service config
03:32 <spidey> teamspeak uses oss
03:33 <luke-jr_> try now
03:33 <spidey> FFS
03:33 <spidey> volume's still to freakin high
03:33 <luke-jr_> lol
03:33 <luke-jr_> lower PCM instead of Master maybe
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03:36 <spidey> pcm is mic
03:36 <luke-jr_> bs
03:36 <spidey> see
03:36 <spidey> they can hear me now :p
03:36 <spidey> turned pcm up, they hear me, turn it down, they can't
03:36 <luke-jr_> I vote bs
03:37 <spidey> 'er
03:37 <spidey> ok you're right -.-
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04:00 <spidey> luke-jr:
04:00 <luke-jr_> what
04:00 <spidey> aoss next? :D
04:00 <luke-jr_> ...
04:00 <luke-jr_> TS doesn't work?
04:00 <spidey> yes
04:00 <spidey> but it hogs the sound driver
04:00 <luke-jr_> and?
04:01 <spidey> aoss fixes it? :p
04:01 <luke-jr_> aoss doesn't do much
04:02 <spidey> wraps a program in alsa?
04:02 <luke-jr_> your sound card only supports 1 audio stream
04:02 <luke-jr_> at a time
04:02 <spidey> not on windows :p
04:02 <luke-jr_> yes
04:02 <spidey> so why do i listen to music, talk on teamspeak, and have sound ingames then? :p
04:03 <spidey> at the sametime
04:04 <luke-jr_> Win might mix
04:04 <spidey> ...
04:05 <spidey> besides
04:05 <spidey> using this same onboard in ubuntu, i could listen to music and play arma with sound
04:05 <spidey> way back when
04:06 <luke-jr_> arma doent have sound
04:06 <spidey> does so
04:06 <spidey> it makes a chick chick sound when you turn :p
04:07 <luke-jr_> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix#Intro_to_dmix
04:07 <luke-jr_> read but dont do
04:14 <GodTodd> hrmm...maybe i'll work on my sound and scanner in a bit :/
04:16 <spidey> heh
04:16 <spidey> i think the sound broke again O.o
04:16 <spidey> oh ffs
04:16 <spidey> luke
04:17 <spidey> if i drop out it's because one of my brothers kiddie friends decided to DDoS us
04:17 <spidey> because he's a dumbass and my brother banned him xD
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> can anybody reach http://gallery.davefancella.com ?
04:53 <spidey> luke-jr_: how do i restart the sound system? or are you usingi t? :p
04:56 <spidey> #weather 38256
04:56 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 81.0°F (10:02 PM CDT on August 23, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising).  Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM CDT Friday...
04:57 <spidey> can you believe school let because of a extreme heat advisery?
04:57 <spidey> and it didn't get above 100!
04:57 <spidey> lucky bastards :/
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> http://gallery.davefancella.com/main.php
05:04 <spidey> works
05:05 <spidey> is that your truck?
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's for sale, if you want it
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: want a gallery?
05:29 <GodTodd> sure
05:29 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: copycat
05:29 <luke-jr_> :p
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> ?  what did I copy?
05:29 <luke-jr_> using Gallery for photos
05:29 <luke-jr_> I patented it
05:29 <luke-jr_> :p
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> um, sure, whatever (lots of people use gallery for photos)
05:30 <luke-jr_> sweet
05:30 <luke-jr_> all the more people to sue
05:30 <luke-jr_> :D
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> I picked gallery because it integrates with digikam, and I Just got us going with digikam so my wife can *gasp* organize our pictures
05:30 <luke-jr_> it does???
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:30 <luke-jr_> O.O
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> you can export from digikam to gallery
05:30  * luke-jr_ uses both and never noticed
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> dumbshit
05:30 <luke-jr_> u
05:30 <spidey> ROFL
05:30 <GodTodd> hrmm... luke-jr_ wants to sue people for use of "proprietary software"?
05:30 <luke-jr_> it's free software GodTodd
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> gallery's GPL :)
05:31 <luke-jr_> GPLv2
05:31 <luke-jr_> but it's not just for use of it
05:31 <GodTodd> it was a joke based on his saying he patented it and wants to sue ;)
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> well of course, if it was GPLv3, you'd sue them for something dumb
05:31 <luke-jr_> it's for a specific way of using it
05:31 <luke-jr_> that is, to store photos
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> heh, well, gallery was created to store photos...
05:31  * luke-jr_ bets that patent would go through tho
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, it was a dumb joke, can we move on now?
05:33 <spidey> #night
05:33 <armabot> Good night spidey!
05:34 <spidey> luke-jr_: why x11vnc?
05:36 <GodTodd> hrmm...what's it mean when kmix says mixer not found? is that because my soundcard isn't supported?
05:36 <spidey> anyways
05:36 <spidey> #night
05:36 <armabot> Good night spidey!
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: yes and no, it means your soundcard wasn't configured
05:37 <GodTodd> any easy way to fix that?
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> at this point you need to google your soundcard to see if it's supported by ubuntu, and if so, what you have to do about it
05:37 <GodTodd> hrmm...how do i find out the name of it?
05:38 <GodTodd> i've never really paid attention to what soundcard is in that box
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> lspci
05:38 <GodTodd> ah...yeah
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you need to setup an alias for gallery.toddmacy.com to www.toddmacy.com in your dns dealie
05:40 <ToddKitchen> hrmm...which one is the soundcard?
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> to get your gallery to send email, you'll need to create an email address for it on your mail host (google, right?), then configure gallery to use it
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> pastebin the whole thing
05:42 <ToddKitchen> http://www.pastebin.ca/668814
05:44 <luke-jr_> no sound card there
05:44 <ToddKitchen> i have one :P
05:44 <luke-jr_> 00:0f.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21152 (rev 03)
05:44 <luke-jr_> maybe?
05:45 <ToddKitchen> that's what i was thinking but not sure
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, there's no sound card listed
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's the best candidate
05:45 <ToddKitchen> worked fine in windows :P
05:45 <ToddKitchen> heh
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> is it an isa soundcard, by any chance?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> isa support was removed in the 2.6 kernel, iirc
05:46 <luke-jr_> wtf
05:46 <luke-jr_> was not
05:47 <luke-jr_> alsaconf supposedly can probe ISA
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> you sure that's all of what lspci has for you?
05:49 <ToddKitchen> yep
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> try lshw
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> cat /proc/asound/cards
05:53 <ToddKitchen> three lines too much for here? ;)
05:53 <ToddKitchen> todd@kitchen:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
05:53 <ToddKitchen>  0 [CS4236B        ]: CS4236B - CS4236B
05:53 <ToddKitchen>                       CS4236B at 0x534, irq 5, dma 1&3
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2343&highlight=cs4236b
05:58 <ToddKitchen> i'm looking at this one: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=379926
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> the bottom post in the link I gave shows a command line you can work with to test the solution before rebooting
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> sudo /sbin/modprobe cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> obviously adjust for your specific card
06:00 <ToddKitchen> do that after editing the /etc/modules?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> just do it right now
06:01 <Lucifer_arma>  /etc/modules is for what it does when you boot
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> then there may be a script in /etc/init.d you have to run, not sure.  In mandriva at one point you had to restart the sound service
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> but that was mandriva-centric
06:03 <ToddKitchen> k...i did that line...am i supposed to get something back?
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> no
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> open kmix and see if it sees the soundcard now
06:04 <ToddKitchen> it doesn't
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> what did you do for the modprobe line?
06:05  * Lucifer_arma has learned that it's an isa soundcard, which is why it didn't show in lspci, and also why the autodetection was so bad
06:05 <ToddKitchen> yeah
06:05 <ToddKitchen> :/
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> is it a desktop machine?
06:06 <ToddKitchen> FATAL: Module cs4236B not found.
06:06 <ToddKitchen> same for without the B
06:06 <ToddKitchen> yeah it is
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> I once found it worthwhile to just buy a $10 pci card and toss it in
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> seriously :)
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> I still have it, in fact, but it's not currently in a computer
06:06 <ToddKitchen> that's probably what would be best
06:06 <ToddKitchen> i probably have a few upstairs
06:06 <ToddKitchen> :)
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> would cost more for me to ship it to you than it would for you to just go buy one from frye's :)
06:07 <ToddKitchen> in fact i can probably take the one out of the server upstairs...i don't use the sound there anyways
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> but, as a learning experience.... :)
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> here's the line I'd try
06:07 <ToddKitchen> that one's a soundblaster
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> sudo /sbin/modprobe snd-cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=3
06:08 <ToddKitchen> but 4236, right?
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> oops
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> sudo /sbin/modprobe snd-cs4236 io=0x534 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=3
06:08 <ToddKitchen> k
06:08 <ToddKitchen> then restart the sound service?
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> if there is one, yes
06:09 <ToddKitchen> no go :/
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh, get a pci card :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> given the choice, it's almost better to put an isa net card in place of the sound card if you have to make that choice (I've had to)
06:14 <ToddKitchen> i don't think i have to choose
06:15 <ToddKitchen> weird part is...if i use modconf, the cs4236 module and lib are activated in the kernel...and if i try to remove them it says it's in use
06:20 <ToddKitchen> ok...i'll probably break into the box tomorrow for that...anyone know how to get a scanner working? ;)
06:20 <ToddKitchen> programs recognize the scanner but can't use it
06:20 <ToddKitchen> is it a permissions thing?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> what kind of scanner is it?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> also, you have to be in a certain group to use the scanner, iirc
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I think I just locked the whole world out of my gallery :)
06:22 <ToddKitchen> it's the scanner part of the hp psc 1210xi that i set up as the shared printer
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> as my wife wanted
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> check your config program and see if there's a separate configuration applet for scanners, and if so, run it
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> scanners might be seeing the hardware, but that doesn't mean the hardware is configured for them to use
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> dammit, did this thing come with a usb cable at all?  :(
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I actually don't have enough usb cables
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> this is pretty shocking
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> how do I see if I have firewire plugs without looking at the back of the computer?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> can someone that's not luke look at http://gallery.davefancella.com and tell me if you can look at any pictures?
06:42 <ToddKitchen> do we have logins?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> on the gallery?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, first, yours is in a different place :)
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> you have to do the dns thing
06:43 <ToddKitchen> it says to enter your login information
06:43 <ToddKitchen> i was testing yours for you :P
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> mine's supposed to be private, at my wife's request
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> you don't have a login :)
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> ah, see, the "we" confused me :)
06:44 <ToddKitchen> "we" being the ones being asked to try and see the pictures :P
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> so I want to know if you can see any pictures at all, and if so, where are they
06:44 <ToddKitchen> no
06:44 <ToddKitchen> i can't
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I could logout and test myself, now that I think about it
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> ah, good, that's cool :)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> now, if you'd like a login, you could register :)
06:45 <ToddKitchen> i will
06:45 <ToddKitchen> :)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I have to hand-approve registrations, which is fine since my wife wants it private anyway
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> but it's a pain that it won't send email :(
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you're activated
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> now I'd like to know if you *can* see pictures :)
06:47 <ToddKitchen> yep i can now :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> :)
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07:18 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr, you around?
07:19 <luke-jr_> yea
07:19 <luke-jr_> barely
07:19 <Rebel_Eclipsed> noticing some differences with the server... everything ok on your end?
07:20 <luke-jr_> /j #armalukechat
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08:55 <kidanger> hey eddiefan1astic
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12:20  * spidey yawns
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12:23 <spidey> aye
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14:36 <spidey> aye
14:36 <spidey> i need to rethink my freeciv tatics :(
14:36 <spidey> barbarians pwned me :<
14:38 <spidey> luke-jr_: um
14:38 <spidey> luke-jr_: i had sounds in freeciv while playing music
14:38 <spidey> O.o
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15:35  * MrBougo slaps spidey with his own hand
15:40  * MrBougo splats teh spideyie
15:40 <MrBougo> #murder spidey
15:40 <armabot> spidey will get murdered by NeoThermic on Mon Oct 13 20:04:20 1997 because spidey tried to kill one of Lucifer_arma's digitx-s
15:41 <MrBougo> #alias pingrand echo Ping $randomnick Ping $randomnick Ping $randomnick Ping
15:41 <MrBougo> #alias add pingrand echo Ping $randomnick Ping $randomnick Ping $randomnick Ping
15:41 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
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17:00 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove pingrand
17:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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19:34 <MrBougo> hiho luke-jr
19:34 <MrBougo> wb kidanger
19:34 <kidanger> I have a problem with a script: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34920/ When there is someone on the server it's ok but if all player left, sometimes, it does "Segmentation fault" :/
19:35 <kidanger> The script make a death zone random
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> yay, got a new mouse
19:36 <kidanger> What is the problem ?
19:37 <kidanger> #t fr en je m'explique très mal
19:37 <armabot> kidanger: I am explained très badly
19:37 <kidanger> -très :/
19:40 <kidanger> Can someone help me ??
19:40 <MrBougo> kidanger: bah non tu t'expliques bien
19:40 <kidanger> ah ? :/
19:40 <MrBougo> le problème c'est que personne n'est là :p
19:40 <kidanger> :P
19:41 <kidanger> MrBougo: et tu peux m'aider ?
19:41 <MrBougo> bah non
19:41 <MrBougo> j'y connais rien :(
19:41 <kidanger> le truk c'est qu'il ne faudrai pas que ça execute le script "death" quand ya personne
19:41 <kidanger> :'(
19:42 <MrBougo> :(
19:42 <kidanger> armabot ?
19:42 <kidanger> ba jpense pas
19:43 <MrBougo> P4|away ?
19:43 <MrBougo> si philippeqc était là il pourrait aider
19:43 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma: ??
19:43 <MrBougo> hows your mouse?
19:43 <kidanger> ouais
19:43 <kidanger> epsy ? pas là
19:44 <kidanger> #lastseen p4
19:44 <armabot> kidanger: P4n1c has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 hours 42 minutes ago.
19:44 <kidanger> aww
19:44 <MrBougo> lawl
19:47 <kidanger> et si je demande sur un autre channel, personne ne connesserai le jeu !
19:48 <MrBougo> bah non
19:48 <MrBougo> laisse ton prbz de côté et attends des jours meilleurs
19:48 <MrBougo> genre demain :p
19:48 <kidanger> :P
19:49 <kidanger> sinon tu ne serai pas où je peux trouver la version "0.2.6_alpha20070804" ?
19:49 <kidanger> xD
19:50 <kidanger> C'est la même que CT Wild Fortress
19:50 <MrBougo> sais pas
19:50 <MrBougo> compiler à partir de la source
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> so, do I give the wireless keyboard and mouse to the kids?
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> or do I give it to my wife and move the wired optical mouse that's in there to the kids' machine....
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
19:51 <kidanger> eddie devais me faire un deb, mais: "<eddiefantastic> I'm away a few days, contact me then if you like"
19:51 <kidanger> :'(
19:52 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: kids are less likely to "lose" wired peripherals ;)
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's true
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm leaning that way myself
19:53 <kidanger> MrBougo: tu vois, ya du monde ;)
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> they've got a ball mouse right now with no scroll wheel, and it's a pain
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> check this out
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I bought a multimeter, but didn't get leads, so I can't use it!  :(
19:53 <GodTodd> haha
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> got a bredboard, though, so I can actually play with this stuff :)
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> but man, frye's really let me down
19:54 <GodTodd> i should be a semester or two away from needing to frequent the component aisle at fry's :)
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't have many of the resistors I needed, and the ones they did have, they only had one and I needed 4 :(
19:54 <luke-jr_> wt_f_
19:55 <luke-jr_> why won't some ethernet cables fit in my Thinkpad???
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  That damn physics 2 class.  Betcha by the time I take my own physics 2 class, I'll already know all the electrical stuff
19:55 <GodTodd> do they have to build much in physics I and II?
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> but at least I got away with just getting the minimum of what I need to fool around
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> nah, not in ours anyway.  You don't build anything.
19:56 <GodTodd> bah :(
19:56 <GodTodd> guess that'll come in digital circuits and stuff
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> see, what happened was they were studying the RC circuit, which is a capacitor and a resistor, and I had to setup the lab, and several things started clicking all at once
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> so I went off quite a bit farther than the class did.
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a circuit for a variable DC power supply I'm going to build first, so I can use it to test the other things I want to build
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> oh crap, I left without looking at transformers
19:57 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, GodTodd, luke-jr, whoever, kidanger needs some help
19:57 <MrBougo> thank you
19:57 <GodTodd> for my associates, all we ever built besides computers was a digital siren
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> since I have to go back for leads (which I'll do after work today, since it's on the way), I'll look then
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> a digital siren?
19:58 <GodTodd> yeah
19:58 <MrBougo> are you guys ignoring me?
19:58 <MrBougo> bah
19:58 <kidanger> MrBougo: ^^ merci
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, kidanger hasn't asked his question that I can see
19:58 <MrBougo> he did
19:58 <MrBougo> i think
19:58 <MrBougo> well
19:58 <GodTodd> really annoying and useless really...but it taught us how to put components together to accomplish a task
19:58 <kidanger> heuu
19:58 <MrBougo> kidanger: c'est quoi ton probz?
19:58 <MrBougo> he has written a script to spawn deadzones randomly
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> this mouse needs to be broken in
19:58 <kidanger> [19:45] <kidanger> What is the problem ?
19:59 <MrBougo> and he gets segfaults when the serv is empty
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that shouldn't happen
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> obviously he needs to modify his script to keep track of how many players are there and not spawn random deadzones when the server's empty
19:59 <MrBougo> well, how can he spawn deadzones if there's no map loaded
19:59 <MrBougo> yep, but he'd like to know how :p
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, that's a bug, put it on the tracker
19:59 <MrBougo> kidanger: tu comprends?
20:00 <kidanger> hm
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> kidanger ne parle pas anglais?
20:00 <MrBougo> un peu
20:00 <kidanger> ^^
20:00 <MrBougo> lil bit
20:00 <MrBougo> tu dois tenir compte du nombre de joueurs quand tu spawn tes zones
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I wound up deciding not ot try to use a foreign language in school, so I'm taking boring classes
20:00 <kidanger> how ?
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> he needs to either connect to the server's stdout pipe, or tail the log file
20:01 <MrBougo> he doesnt know how to test the player count
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> then use a regular expression to scan the lines that come in and look for player logged in/out lines
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> he can't test the player count directly, afaik
20:01 <MrBougo> bah voilà, tu dois voir tes logs ou le stdout de ton serveur
20:01 <MrBougo> oh
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> he's not using ruby in the svn version, is he?
20:01 <MrBougo> this should need to be implemented
20:01 <MrBougo> tu utilises quoi pour ton script kidanger ?
20:01 <kidanger> bash ?
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> he will find his job a lot easier if he switches to python/perl/php
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> seriously
20:02 <MrBougo> là je penses que t'as compris :p
20:02 <kidanger> ok
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> he needs better data structures than bash provides to track players
20:02 <kidanger> Can someone make me a script in php :P
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> but he could just watch for player logged in lines and increment a counter, and decrement it when a player leaves
20:02 <MrBougo> hehe
20:02  * GodTodd has a whole class on data structures coming up ;)
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> that will suit him just fine
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: and they won't use bash!  ;)
20:02 <kidanger> oula
20:03 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma: it would mess everything up if something goes wrong
20:03 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: nope...java for this one ;)
20:03 <MrBougo> like a ltr char on the nicks, or whatever
20:03 <MrBougo> rtl*
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> nah, the regex itself is fairly simple, I could probably write it
20:03 <MrBougo> i dunno what can bring bugs
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> hte regex, that is
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> anything can bring bugs.  :)
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> he's using a patch to spawn the deadzones, right?
20:04 <MrBougo> kidanger: à coup de regex dans les logs ou bien dans le stdout
20:04 <kidanger> C'est quoi ?
20:04 <GodTodd> tho...i'm hoping that the data structures class is done the right way...a way that lets me logically implement the knowledge gained into other languages...such as python :)
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> regular expression
20:04 <MrBougo> des regex?
20:04 <kidanger> oui
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> like what you do with grep
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: since they're using java, you should be safe
20:04 <MrBougo> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regex
20:04 <kidanger> aww
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> if it was using c++, you'd probably spend a lot of time dealing with pointers and shit that would just complicate the issue
20:05 <MrBougo> c'est pas trop compliqué les reges
20:05 <MrBougo> regex*
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> not that complicated
20:05 <MrBougo> et une fois que tu connais, c'est un outil merveilleux
20:05 <kidanger> et ca sert a quoi ?
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> this one just needs one wildcard, where the player's name would appear
20:05 <MrBougo> isnt it a wonderful tool, luci?
20:05 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: it's encouraging that there's a whole chapter or two on java dictionaries
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> everything else is constant
20:05 <MrBougo> bah c'est comme les caractères joker (wildcards) mais en beaucoup plus avancé
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> I think the operator you want is .^
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> I could be wrong, though, been awhile since I tried to write a regex
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> so, for example, if the log lines look like this:
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer has just logged in.
20:06 <MrBougo> pour "repérer" dans un texte un groupe de caractères qui correspond à un certain schéma
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> Your regex would be:
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> (.^) has just logged in.
20:06 <MrBougo> genre une lettre, deux chiffres, une lettre de A à N
20:06 <kidanger> Et ca changerai quoi ?
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> but the line probably has a player number in it and a timestamp, you need to wildcard the timestamp but keep the player number constant, to prevent players from tricking the script
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> so, for example:
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> [sometimestamp] [0] Lucifer has logged in.
20:07 <MrBougo> bah tu passes une regex dans le stdout de ton serveur oub ien dans les logs, et à partir de ça il compte les joueurs qui se sont connectés, ceux qui se sont déconnectés, et avec une soustraction tu peux savoir combien de joueurs tu a sur ton serv
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> [(.^)] [0] (.^) has logged in.
20:08 <MrBougo> et si c'est 0, tu ne spawnes rien
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> he's better off learning enough python to pull it off, to be honest
20:08 <kidanger> ba je veux bien mais :/ comment je fais ça ?
20:08 <MrBougo> tu devrais apprendre le python pour bien faire
20:08 <kidanger> ah
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't have to become expert or anything, just good enough to do what he's doing
20:08 <MrBougo> le bash c'est pas assez souple pour ce genre de scripts
20:08 <kidanger> et php ?
20:09 <MrBougo> whabout php Lucifer_arma?
20:09 <kidanger> je ne connais que ça
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> fine too, perl too.  If you've already worked with one of the three, then use the one you've worked with :)
20:09  * GodTodd should get back to work on his recipe program :/
20:09 <MrBougo> php, perl, python, tu choisis
20:09 <kidanger> php
20:09 <MrBougo> si tu connais un peu php, commence sur tes bases
20:09 <kidanger> ^^
20:09 <MrBougo> ça vaut mieux :)
20:10 <MrBougo> i had never thought that i would be some kind of interpreter some day
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> haha
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'm understanding most of what he's saying, at least :)
20:10 <MrBougo> good point :)
20:10 <kidanger> enfin je voit pas comment je peux faire :/
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> except that
20:11 <MrBougo> bah apprends déjà le php
20:11 <kidanger> lol
20:11 <kidanger> MrBougo: je connais un peu
20:11 <MrBougo> he cant figure out how hes gonna do it, Lucifer_arma
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> then use php :)
20:11 <MrBougo> vois comment on utilise les regex en php
20:11 <kidanger> aww
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> the easiest way to do it is to write your script to read stdin and invoke it with tail -f thelog | yourscript
20:11 <MrBougo> là tu peux aller voir sur d'autres chans francophones
20:12  * GodTodd wonders how useful it would be to run to his oldest son's school during "meet and greet" time...
20:12 <MrBougo> puisque tu t'es détaché du problème d'arma pour un moment
20:12 <kidanger> xD
20:12 <MrBougo> stdout you mean?
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: not terribly, but we did
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: no, stdin.  Read stdin with his script, then pipe arma's log file to it
20:12 <MrBougo> oh ok
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> and use tail so it'll get new lines as they appear :)
20:13 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: thing is, i usually do that to find out who his teacher is....but since his main teacher is the special ed teacher...that one doesn't change
20:13 <MrBougo> i thought that you meant read the serv stdout
20:13 <kidanger> MrBougo: ba, pour le bash, c'est hoop qui avais commencer le script
20:13 <MrBougo> bah vois ça avec hoop,epsy peut-être
20:13 <MrBougo> parce que moi là je dois y'aller
20:13 <MrBougo> gtg
20:13 <GodTodd> i figure all they're going to do is try and suck money out of me and guilt me into joining PTA
20:13 <kidanger> cu
20:13 <GodTodd> :/
20:13 <MrBougo> byebye
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh, probably
20:13 <MrBougo> have a nice evenin'
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> we just did the meet and greet at my kids' school last night, and we blew off the singalong/pat-themselves-on-the-back ceremony
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> I got to meet all three teachers, though, but it was pretty hectic
20:14  * GodTodd has physics, java, humanities and govt II....no freaking time for PTA ;)
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter's teacher is only in her second year :(
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20:14 <Lucifer_arma> heh, my wife's planning on doing PTA and shit
20:15 <GodTodd> i think fall is going to seem like a break after two calc classes in 10 weeks tho :)
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'll get into regular communication with each teacher, weekly (even if it's only an email), and deal with the daytime stuff of course
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> P/T conferences and shit
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it probably is :)
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20:15 <Lucifer_arma> and my wife will do the PTA thing
20:15 <GodTodd> yeah...we don't have std P/T conferences
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> and the special school events
20:15 <GodTodd> we have IEP meetings
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> IEP?
20:16 <GodTodd> individualized education plan
20:16 <GodTodd> special ed thing
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> they should do that for all kids, heh
20:16 <GodTodd> tho i think he's close to 75% mainstreamed
20:16 <luke-jr_> anyone know what RJ45 brands work with ThinkPads?
20:16 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: the sucky ones?
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> apparently my kids' school spreads out all the really smart and talented kids so that every class gets one or two or however many there are,
20:16 <GodTodd> my goal is to have him 100% mainstreamed by middle school
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> then when the smart kids all get bored off their balls, the school tries to get them under sedation
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> if they put all the smart kids together, they could go at whatever pace the smart kids wanted, and then they wouldn't be bored!
20:17 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: but that would make sense :P
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> Although, I have to admit, the idea of separating kids like that could lead to other serious problems, like the development of a caste system (like we had in middle school, remember?)
20:17 <GodTodd> which, of course, means it'll never happen
20:18 <GodTodd> not anymore than all the smart kids taking honors classes would
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> they could graduate every kid with 120+ IQ at age 16 with an associates degree if they did it right
20:19 <GodTodd> yep
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> and every kid from 80-120 IQ could graduate at age 18 with an associates degree
20:19 <GodTodd> i know i spent most of high school bored off my ass hairs
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> all of the core classes I've taken so far have been high school level material
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> and that's like 70% of the associates degree
20:19 <GodTodd> yeah...high school kids wouldn't have had too much trouble with my AAS classes
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I have a new plan for how to handle the kids' homework this year
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to get them workbooks for the next grade level up, and when they don't have homework, I'm going to require them to work from their workbooks
20:21 <GodTodd> erg...homework...*shudder*
20:21 <GodTodd> yeah...we do that now
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> see, what happened last year is when they didn't have homework, we played
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> so they were encouraged to say they didn't have homework
20:21 <GodTodd> we have been doing that for years
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, I was so busy the last school year that I tried to take every spare minute I could to spend with my kids
20:22 <GodTodd> and we got some electronics project things that tommy and i can work on for no homework days
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  Need a multimeter?
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> without leads?  ;)
20:22 <GodTodd> he likes science and i want to encourage that
20:22  * GodTodd already has one.
20:22 <GodTodd> *with* leads
20:22 <GodTodd> :)
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> I finally replaced my old analog multimeter
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> it couldn't read less than 1k ohms, so it's virtually useless for the stuff I'm doing now
20:23 <GodTodd> heh
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> also, years ago I blew the fuse in it and put a jumper in its place, and that makes it downright dangerous for what I'm at now
20:23 <GodTodd> truly
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if it matters to me anymore if my kids are interested in science.  I'll throw it at them anyway
20:24 <GodTodd> heh
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> considering how many people cram stupid religion down kids' throats, I can't see my approach being bad
20:24 <GodTodd> you should make religion an integral part of their education ;)
20:24 <GodTodd> xtian religion that is
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> I will, but later
20:24 <GodTodd> :P
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> right now I want to focus on what-is, not what-if
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> because that's what they can handle :)
20:25 <GodTodd> but christianity is *proven* to be true
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> in your dreams
20:25  * GodTodd thumps his bible.
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh
20:25 <GodTodd> :)
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> know what my daughter calls the bible?
20:25 <GodTodd> best selling fiction ever?
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> because you know how all the bibles have in big letters on the front "Holy Bible"?
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> she calls it the Boring Bible
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> she's so awesome
20:26 <GodTodd> heh
20:26 <GodTodd> it's not boring tho
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> I used to read it to go to sleep
20:26 <GodTodd> it's edge-of-your-seat excitement
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> the pornographic parts are, certainly
20:27 <GodTodd> it's got incest, murder, broken rules....man, what *doesn't* it have?
20:27 <GodTodd> :)
20:27 <GodTodd> and that's just the stuff the xtian god *liked*
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, we know from the story of Onan that the god of abraham doesn't like bukkakke
20:28 <GodTodd> haha
20:28 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: it doesn't have antepasta
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> I want to build a circuit with my bredboard
20:28 <GodTodd> so do it :P
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> but I really need leads for my multimeter, and I really need a power supply
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'm not quite setup for this, but I will be
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'll use the bredboard to test the power supply first, and then build that
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> instead of buying a meter, I'll just work my old multimeter into it
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> take it apart, clean it up, then make a permanent installation
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's either that or I put an extra set of plugs to plug in my new multimeter
20:30 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
20:30 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 92.1°F (1:35 PM CDT on August 24, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 17.72 in 600.0 hPa (Rising).
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, I need to make lunch
20:30 <GodTodd> hmm...might not be a half bad day to mow
20:31 <GodTodd> #weather 88310
20:31 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Alamogordo, New Mexico is 93.2°F (12:31 PM MDT on August 24, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
20:31 <GodTodd> #weather 68131
20:31 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Omaha, Nebraska is 75.2°F (12:52 PM CDT on August 24, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
20:31 <GodTodd> wow...cold in omaha
20:31 <GodTodd> #weather 85205
20:31 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Mesa, Arizona is 98.6°F (10:55 AM MST on August 24, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
20:32 <GodTodd> cold in mesa too
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
20:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 90.9°F (1:41 PM CDT on August 24, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling).
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy I remembered we had that snack machine
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's the easiest way in the world to make a grilled cheese sandwich
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20:44 <Lucifer_arma> so where do you go when fry's doesn't have what you need in the quantities you need?  :(
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20:45 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized the multimeter was supposed to have test leads in it
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> it says so on the box
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> so I guess I'll go back and point this out to them so they can either replace it with one that has test leads, or they can just give me some leads
20:51 <GodTodd> fry's will probably just replace it with another one
21:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, probably.  Next time I'll look more closely at the package
22:07 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Rain ending overnight then cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. Risk of a thundershower this evening. Amount 10 mm(0.4 in). Fog. Wind south 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming southwest (2 more messages)
23:31 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-109-179.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron
23:31 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:31 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 75.9°F (4:34 PM CDT on August 24, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 28.87 in 977.5 hPa (Steady).
23:32 <ghableska> #tea
23:32 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): 1200, flynn, Lêfïõnnåîrê, SpinAce, ToRiTo XXl, `, ~|DS|~sunny, ~|DS|~zion, ~|DS|~|GonZ|~, ¦×¥ FoFo, ¦×¥HoAX
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