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Log from 2007-06-01:
--- Day changed Fri Jun 01 2007
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01:03 <P4> !list
01:03 <BotSub> P4: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Geekquote, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, String, Time, Topic, User, Utilities, and Weather
01:04 <P4> !rainbow blah...
01:04 <BotSub> P4: Error: "rainbow" is not a valid command.
01:20 -!- crazy-tronners [n=CT@ecu148.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #armagetron
01:20 <crazy-tronners> Hi :)
01:20 <P4> ^^ :>
01:21 <P4> .alias add tea "serverdetails Fortress Café"
01:21 <crazy-tronners> P4: The operation succeeded.
01:21 <P4> .tea
01:21 <crazy-tronners> P4: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): Ðúrkå	~Radian, MaZuffeR, }-HaWk~}, °¯AshitakA
01:21 <P4> .rain [tea]
01:21 <crazy-tronners> P4: Fortress Café: Players (/): Ðúrkå	~Radian MaZuffeR }-HaWk~} °¯AshitakA
01:21 <P4> !commands
01:21 <BotSub> P4: Error: "commands" is not a valid command.
01:22 <P4> #lastseen girls
01:25 <P4> #lastseen girl
01:25 <P4> .lastseen girl
01:25 <crazy-tronners> P4: timed out
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> yay, chatting works :)
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's only been a billion hours of programming to get it hooked up, but it works :)
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02:15 <Your_mom_arma> !ping
02:15 <BotSub> pong
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> hey mom, I got chat working
02:20 <Your_mom_arma> nice
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's got some caveats, the network code isn't very tight yet, not good error checking (and what's there doesn't work too well), but I'll straighten that out before moving on
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's just bootstrapping, which is easily the most painful part of any program :/
02:23 <P4> .lastseen hand
02:23 <crazy-tronners> P4: hand has last been seen on Chico's Brake Boost Styball 0 days 13 hours 23 minutes ago.
02:24 <Your_mom_arma> www.google.com
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, why the link to google?
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> wanted to see if the crazy-tronners bot was still doing that hey, I just logged the website you typed
02:29 <P4> Your_mom_arma: if you dont like the bot just tell, dont ban, please ;)
02:30 <P4> .colorize [ tea ]
02:30 <crazy-tronners> P4: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): always last God SuBlImInAl.FreQ Viperized Zop ~Radian ~~~~J~~~~ (1 more message)
02:30 <Your_mom_arma> luci what part of acme parses the map?
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> the map parser :)
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> map_parser in ...libacme/?
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> no, not really
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> had to go look
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> the xml is loaded and parsed into a DOM in resource_parser.py, iirc
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> in map.py, the dom is scanned for map objects
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I lied, apparently all resource_parser has is a function that returns a aaResource object, which is found in resource.py
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> aaMap inherits aaResource
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02:56 <P4> .alias add armaconfig "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1"
02:56 <crazy-tronners> P4: The operation succeeded.
02:57 <P4> .armaconfig wall
02:57 <crazy-tronners> P4: ARENA_WALL_SHADOW_DIST: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 30) || ARENA_WALL_SHADOW_NEAR: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 1) || ARENA_WALL_SHADOW_SIDEDIST: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 10) || ARENA_WALL_SHADOW_SIZE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 0.1) || CAMERA_VISIBILITY_LOWER_WALL: If set to 1, walls are lowerd when they block the view and the camera is not moved (default: 1) || CAMERA_VISIBILITY_LOWER_WALL_SMART: Like (7 more messages)
02:58 <P4> can i let the bot stay here? it will reconnect every 24 hours and may not be online all the time.
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03:02 <Lucifer_arma> long as its not annoying
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know what happened to armabot?
03:09 <P4> i don't know
03:09 <P4> .rain colors dont work? :}
03:09 <crazy-tronners> P4: colors dont work? :}
03:09 <P4> .colorize ah they work ;D
03:09 <crazy-tronners> P4: ah they work ;D
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> yay, works with two clients, even
03:16 <P4> what's your version Lucifer_arma? :}
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> v1.0
03:16 <P4> i mean what irc client version :}
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> 1.0
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh
03:17 <P4> ^^
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> Received CTCP-VERSION reply from Lucifer_arma: Not really any of your business.
03:19 <P4> did you write your own irc client? :)
03:21 <P4> hehe
03:21 <P4> .list math
03:21 <crazy-tronners> P4: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
03:21 <P4> .help rpn
03:21 <crazy-tronners> P4: (rpn <rpn math expression>) -- Returns the value of an RPN expression.
03:21 <P4> ^^
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> P4: no, I didn't
03:27 <P4> Not really any of your business. <=- this version reply looks like hidden so i ask what's your irc client to know why you are saying colors are visible for both of us :)
03:29 <P4> .tea
03:29 <crazy-tronners> P4: Fortress Café: No online players.
03:29 <P4> ;|
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03:46 <P4> .nickometer
03:46 <crazy-tronners> P4: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "P4" is 15.0%.
03:46 <P4> .nickometer LuciEatsPeople
03:46 <crazy-tronners> P4: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "LuciEatsPeople" is 17.6%.
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> .nickometer guru3
03:47 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "guru3" is 21.5%.
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> .nickometer Lucifer_arma
03:47 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Lucifer_arma" is 14.4%.
03:47 <P4> .list games
03:47 <crazy-tronners> P4: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
03:48 <P4> i dont know whta plugins shouud i unload
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> all the annoying ones
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, how should I structure my protocol?
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> a byte can only hold a number from 0-255, right?
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> .math calc 2**8
04:02 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: 256
04:11 <P4> dns google.com
04:11 <P4> .dns google.com
04:11 <crazy-tronners> P4: 64.233.167.99
04:11 <P4> .dns yahoo.com
04:11 <crazy-tronners> P4: 216.109.112.135
04:12 <P4> .dns microsoft.com
04:12 <crazy-tronners> P4: 207.46.197.32
04:12  * P4 configures connection keeper
04:16 <P4> damn, did you got server notice from dmwaters? :|
04:17 <P4> we got 40 minutes... :P
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04:54 <mkzelda> theyve been sending that msg a lot lately
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05:37 <mkzelda> why does the ban time take forever?
05:37 <mkzelda> banned for 2 mins
05:37 <mkzelda> 10 mins later,
05:38 <mkzelda> still baned for 2 mins
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> it's to make you ask "why does the ban time take forever?"
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> hey, what's a good size for a chunk of data sent over a stream?
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> .math calc 2**32
07:07 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: 4294967296
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> .math calc 4294967296 * 2048/1024
07:08 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: 8589934592
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> .math calc (4294967296 * 2048)/(1024*1024)
07:09 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: 8388608
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> er
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> .math calc 4294967296 * 2048
07:09 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: 8796093022208
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> .math calc 4294967295 * 2048
07:10 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: 8796093020160
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, what needs to be encoded in a chunk?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> .math calc 64-9
07:14 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: 55
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> .math calc 2048-64
07:15 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: 1984
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07:17 <MrBougo> hiho
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> The maximum value of an unsigned long is 4294967295, which gives us a total size of message available as 8 terabytes. That should be plenty of room, even for Lucifer's chat messages.
07:19 <MrBougo> that's huge
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> that's multiple books
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> it might be less than 8 terabytes since I just shortened the payload area to 1984 bytes so the header can be 64 bytes
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> but a message may not just be chat messages, after all.  There will be unit movements, map updates, signalling, etc.
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> still, 8 terabytes is quite a bit of room :)
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's split into 2k chunks, so the minimum size of a message is 2k
07:35 <MrBougo> bye
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08:22 <Lucifer_arma> we need a really nice graphic to put in the map view when there's not a game going
08:27 <Your_mom_arma> pong
08:27 <Your_mom_arma> map view?
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, map view
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> the pane that shows the map
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> which I only just added today :)
08:31  * Lucifer_arma just wrote an encode function for network chunks, but isn't sure he's up to writing the decode function to test it
08:34 <Your_mom_arma> so a grass tile? a tile with the games name on it? or just a splash before a map is loaded?
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> a splash is the best way to think about it
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> neato logo and stuff
08:36 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, what size?
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08:41 <Lucifer_arma> not too big, but not too small?
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, the game needs to be playable at 800x600
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> should be playable even smaller
08:42 <Your_mom_arma> 640x480?
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> smaller even, it's in a subpane in the mainwindow
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> and I don't want scrollbars to appear for a splash pic
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> how about 400x200, or in that range?
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> can go a little bigger if needed
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> if you can make the master in svg format and then export to png, then when we can switch to qt4.3 we can use the svg file and forget about size :)
08:43 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution
08:43 <crazy-tronners> Title: Display resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
08:44 <Your_mom_arma> 432x240
08:45 <Your_mom_arma> www.google.com
08:45 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.google.com/
08:45 <crazy-tronners> Title: Google (at www.google.com)
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically going in like freeciv's map tab
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> since I just copied the layout of freeciv's main window
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> but a common complaint about freeciv is that you have to maximize the window and play at a high resolution to be able to do anything
08:47 <Your_mom_arma> aint that the truth
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08:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, qt's graphicsview widget gives us zooming for free, so we should be able to show the map in a way that accomodates everyone :)
08:47 <Durka> #hello
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> which is nice for playing the game, but for just showing a splash screen in the same area when the game is started, makes it hard to pick a resolution for the picture
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd rather not try to draw it programmatically, because that just makes it harder to change
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> #hi durka
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> #how are you?
08:49 <Durka> #ok
08:49 <Durka> #:D
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm done coding for the night.  I have to be at work at 9am tomorrow, and there's a guy signed up for a makeup lab that's promised to be there at 9am,
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> so really I need to be there a little earlier so I can scrounge up a security guard to open the lab up
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: do I need to give you write access to the svn repo?
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> if I do, msg me with the user and pass you want
08:52  * Lucifer_arma goes to grab a smoke
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> going to bed after this cigarette, though
08:55 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: still hur?
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08:55 <Durka> GodTodd: :D
08:56 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
08:57 <Your_mom_arma> well, this looks nice, but it looks barren
09:01 <Durka> Your_mom_arma: CTF tournament?
09:01 <Durka> you interested? :D
09:01 <Durka> :(
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09:09 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: ping
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09:24 <Lucifer_arma> ok, going to bed now, 'night
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12:43 <Pez> hi
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13:11 <vinavil> Christine from debian answered about aa packaging for debian
13:11 <vinavil> here the reply:
13:12 <vinavil> Sure, I can take a look at 0.3 and upload it to experimental, probably.
13:12 <vinavil> I should really be more present/involved upstream; I just haven't really
13:12 <vinavil> done it yet since it seems like most stuff is done via the forums and
13:12 <vinavil> that's kind of a pain to check on a regular basis.
13:17 <vinavil> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/
13:17 <crazy-tronners> Title: Debian -- Software Packages in "unstable", games section (at packages.debian.org)
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15:56 <P4> .tea
15:56 <crazy-tronners> P4: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): 3.1415926535897
16:02 <eddiefantastic>  :q!
16:03 <eddiefantastic> oops
16:03 <eddiefantastic> forgot where I was
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16:52 <epsy> hi
16:58 <Lucifer_arma> hi
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17:02 <MrBougo> hello :)
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17:03 <MrBougo> hiho luke-jr_work 
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> look at the Belgian waffling!
17:05  * Lucifer_arma is trying to figure out when the best time to encode a message is
17:09 <guru3> WOOO A BREAK FROM EXAMS
17:09 <guru3> i have 3 full days before the next one :D
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> yay!
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> party it out, man
17:15 <Lucifer_arma> rock on
17:16 <guru3> i just had 4 exams since tuesday
17:16 <guru3> so ive been a bit stressed out
17:16 <MrBougo> i've had 3
17:21 <epsy> il est où kidanger ?
17:23 <guru3> whoa what
17:23 <epsy> to MrBougo 
17:23 <guru3> Oo
17:23 <epsy> Öø
17:25 <eddiefantastic> Lucifer_arma: just tried the new acme
17:25 <eddiefantastic> does it do anything? or just work in progress?
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> WIP
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> no exams here, it's the first week of classes
17:26 <eddiefantastic> well it works, to a degree
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> what os are you on?
17:26 <eddiefantastic> ubuntu
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> ah.  waht's written right now was partially developed under feisty fawn :)
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> (it'll all be developed under feisty fawn after I get my laptop switched out)
17:27 <eddiefantastic> I can load some maps in and veiw them, that's about it
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> that's about all it does right now.  :)
17:27 <Lucifer_arma> I was last working on syncing the xml editor with the map editor so that you could work on maps in the xml editor and then view them in the map editor
17:27 <eddiefantastic> I will keep my eye on it, you may get a wish list 
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> I need to rethink how the widgets are organized a bit, but I'll get back to it in a bit
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> right now I'm working on a civ game :)
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17:28 <eddiefantastic> that was onwe of them ^
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> also on my own wish list is an xml editor that perfectly reproduces the text file and preserves all edits, but there isn't an xml parser for python that does that
17:29 <Lucifer_arma> so you'll just have to live with the xml editor periodically correcting your syntax :/
17:39 <MrBougo> dunno epsy
17:43 <Lucifer_arma> man, I hate when I have a clear idea in my head what a system should look like, and then when I get to the details, I get blocked
17:43 <Lucifer_arma> like writer's block, you're like "I can do this, I can see it, I know what it is!"  But you can't figure out what to type...
--- Log closed Fri Jun 01 17:57:55 2007
--- Log opened Fri Jun 01 17:58:06 2007
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17:58 <epsy> lol
17:58 <epsy> !time
17:58 <BotSub> epsy: 11:00 AM, June 01, 2007
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18:25 <epsy> wow this time i didn't even polled myself
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19:00 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma :(
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> ?
19:00 <DrJoeTron> swampy is going away
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> happens, you know
19:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah i know
19:00 <DrJoeTron> can still be sad about it
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> they always come back, though
19:01 <DrJoeTron> I kinda want the servers
19:01 <DrJoeTron> but i donno if i could do them justice on my box
19:01 <DrJoeTron> and of course I'd kill the lobster tub
19:01 <Lucifer_arma> not like anybody plays there anymore
19:02 <Lucifer_arma> (heh)
19:02 <DrJoeTron> exactly
19:02 <DrJoeTron> its still a windows box
19:02 <epsy> uh
19:02 <DrJoeTron> people still go to the cage
19:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how well your box would do.  Swampland was on a 64-bit linux server
19:02 <DrJoeTron> yeah exactly
19:02 <Lucifer_arma> shrunkland was on a pretty old 32-bit linux server, though
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'd take at least one of them if I didn't already know what the complaints would look like
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> basically, it would be better if the servers died than suffer a living death on my connection
19:04 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe if I put a server on that machine rico sent me it would do better, maybe it really is the processor
19:04 <Lucifer_arma> especially now that the wiki's off and my own website is a static site now
19:04 <DrJoeTron> heh maybe this means my servers will be loaded :V
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> probably, heh
19:05 <DrJoeTron> i posted i was interested in shrunkland
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> my own take is that it would probably be better for swampy to just retire his servers and post the settings somewhere
19:05 <DrJoeTron> i say he takes his settings to the grave
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> no!
19:05 <DrJoeTron> :V
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> considering they're derived from someone else's settings....
19:06 <DrJoeTron> then they're already posted!
19:06 <DrJoeTron> haha I'm kidding, it actually a great idea
19:06 <Lucifer_arma> then maybe we can dig up ish to host Shrunklandish
19:06 <DrJoeTron> oh god
19:06 <DrJoeTron> that'd be awesome
19:08 <DrJoeTron> sad to see it go though
19:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is
19:08 <Lucifer_arma> but we'll get through it!
19:08 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> I've developed the opinion that servers should never switch hands.  Ladders may, but servers should be anchored to one person.
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> normally when they switch hands, the settings don't quite work the same on the new machine/connection, so it's no longer the same server
19:10 <DrJoeTron> not to mention how low rubber servers are a rare breed
19:10 <DrJoeTron> oh of course
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> and it's very difficult if not outright impossible to correct for the differences
19:10 <DrJoeTron> its never going to be the same
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that I'd consider swampland a low rubber server
19:10 <DrJoeTron> how many goshdarn clones have we seen?
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> a few
19:10 <DrJoeTron> shrunkland
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> lack had one for awhile that was pretty good
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> shrunkland's not really a goshdarn clone :)
19:10 <DrJoeTron> had being the keyword
19:11 <DrJoeTron> shrunkland was a low rubber server
19:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's kind of entertaining, actually.  Shrunkland is just the old swampland on a small grid, then tweaked from there
19:11 <Lucifer_arma> (I'm assuming it was tweaked a whole lot)
19:11 <DrJoeTron> hah
19:14 <DrJoeTron> count down to the day i retire begins
19:18 <guru3> should i risk hours of forums downtime or not...
19:18 <guru3> hmmm
19:22 <DrJoeTron> DO IT
19:22 <DrJoeTron> DOOOOO 
19:22 <DrJoeTron> ITTTTTTTTT
19:23 <guru3> would need to reasemble my desk first tho :/
19:27 <epsy> ewww...fort café is laggying Oo
19:27 <epsy> even monkey cannot play
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> joe's countdown has begun, but he's starting at 4098
19:28 <DrJoeTron> 5000 actually
19:28 <DrJoeTron> i relapsed :/
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19:35 <MrBougo> hiho
19:37 <MrBougo> we miss armabot :(((
19:41 <epsy> Indeed!
19:42 <MrBougo> epsy, you're gonna replace armabot
19:42 <MrBougo> epsy, hello
19:43 <epsy> Hello MrBougo :) || Random fortune: ehhhh...
19:43 <MrBougo> some harder stuff
19:43 <MrBougo> epsy, cyborg espy
19:43 <epsy> MrBougo: You noob, you can't even spell my name
19:44 <MrBougo> ew right
19:44 <MrBougo> epsy, echo "im a noob"
19:44 <epsy> MrBougo, im a noob
19:44 <MrBougo> good :D
19:44 <epsy> (btw, you can't spell i'm correctly neither)
19:44 <MrBougo> epsy, insight
19:44 <epsy> MrBougo, moo
19:45 <MrBougo> epsy, weather moscow
19:45 <epsy> STFU baka noob! or smth
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19:45 <MrBougo> my turn!
19:45 <epsy> MrBougo, onlineplayers
19:46 <MrBougo> epsy: Ping timeout
19:46 <MrBougo> err...
19:46 <MrBougo> i mean
19:46 <MrBougo> epsy: Ttimed out
19:46 <MrBougo> i suck at armabotting
19:46 <epsy> MrBougo, armaservers
19:47 <MrBougo> Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress, Crazy Tronners Wild Deathmatch, Crazy Tronners Wild Styball, Crazy Tronners Wild Zombies, Crazy Tronners Wild Sumo, Crazy Tronners Wild Racing, Crazy Tronners Wild Labyrinth, Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag
19:48 <epsy> MrBougo, crazylate [armaservers]
19:48 <epsy> MrBougo, where are the noobs ?
19:48 <MrBougo> peanut peanut peanut peanut peanut peanut peanut peanut peanut peanut peanut peanut of the necrophiliac caravan of the of the of the
19:48 <MrBougo> epsy, I don't know
19:49 <epsy> you noob
19:49 <epsy> they are on durka durka land
19:49 <MrBougo> <no #, no answer>
19:49 <epsy> ^^
19:49 <epsy> why did you answered then ?
19:49 <MrBougo> <no #, no answer>
19:50 <epsy> you n00b
19:50 <epsy> MrBougo, you n00b
19:50 <MrBougo> epsy, NEVER
19:50 <epsy> ball ?
19:51 <epsy> MrBougo, or neverputt ?
19:51 <MrBougo> epsy, huh?
19:51 <epsy> MrBougo, uhu
19:52 <epsy> MrBougo, delire
19:52 <epsy> !delire
19:52 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "delire" is not a valid command.
19:52 <MrBougo> :DDDD
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19:52 <epsy> !alias add delire Fasten you seat belt NOW, i'm kicking you...3...2...1...0
19:52 <BotSub> epsy: The operation succeeded.
19:52 <epsy> !delire
19:52 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "Fasten" is not a valid command.
19:52 <epsy> !alias add delire echo Fasten you seat belt NOW, i'm kicking you...3...2...1...0
19:52 <BotSub> epsy: The operation succeeded.
19:52 <epsy> !delire
19:52 <BotSub> Fasten you seat belt NOW, i'm kicking you...3...2...1...0
19:53 <epsy> !alias add nodelire echo Ok, i wont kick you
19:53 <BotSub> epsy: The operation succeeded.
19:53 <epsy> !nodelire
19:53 <BotSub> Ok, i wont kick you
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19:54 <MrBougo> rofl
19:54 <epsy> lfar
19:54 <epsy> *lfor
19:54 <MrBougo> !alias add add hehe?
19:54 <BotSub> MrBougo: Error: You can't overwrite commands in this plugin.
19:54 <MrBougo> :(((
19:54 <epsy> !hehe
19:54 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "hehe" is not a valid command.
19:54 <epsy> !list alias
19:54 <BotSub> epsy: add, c, calc, delire, lock, luke, m, night, nodelire, q, remove, and unlock
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19:54 <epsy> !luke
19:54 <BotSub> blah blah jesus blah blah i'm great or smth blah blah RTFM blah blah stfu baka noob blah blah
19:56 <MrBougo> !alias add epsy I suck :DDDD
19:56 <BotSub> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
19:56 <MrBougo> it's hidden
19:56 <MrBougo> :D
19:56 <MrBougo> i cheated
19:56 <epsy> why are you putting a U+000F
19:56 <MrBougo> awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
19:56 <MrBougo> + some more w
19:57 <epsy> while (true) echo "w";
19:57 <MrBougo> !alias add add Heeee
19:57 <BotSub> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
19:57 <MrBougo> !alias add
19:57 <BotSub> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
19:57 <epsy> lol
19:57 <epsy> !add
19:57 <BotSub> epsy: Error: The command "add" is available in the Alias, Herald, Praise, Quote, RSS, and Topic plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add".
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19:57 <epsy> !alias add
19:57 <BotSub> epsy: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and (1 more message)
19:57 <MrBougo> !alias remove add
19:57 <BotSub> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
19:57 <epsy> !list alias
19:57 <BotSub> epsy: add, c, calc, delire, lock, luke, m, night, nodelire, q, remove, and unlock
19:57 <MrBougo> !alias add remove
19:57 <BotSub> MrBougo: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," (1 more message)
19:57 <MrBougo> !night
19:57 <BotSub> Goodnight MrBougo :(
19:57 <epsy> !epsy
19:58 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "epsy" is not a valid command.
19:58 <MrBougo> some poeple on benmac are too serious
19:58 <epsy> lol what thay do want ?
19:59 <MrBougo> people that wann,a have fun
19:59 <MrBougo> and not attack bases D:
19:59 <epsy> i remember when unison built 180 nodes xD
20:00 <epsy> but i still can't see how to get the no-hitbox thing
20:00 <MrBougo> :(
20:00 <MrBougo> /god maybe
20:00 <MrBougo> oooh
20:00 <MrBougo> /noclip
20:00 <epsy> /buy god
20:00 <epsy> :)
20:00 <MrBougo> heh
20:00 <epsy> no noclipdoesn't work
20:00 <MrBougo> whats the no-hitbox thingy
20:00 <epsy> « cheats are disabled on this server »
20:00 <MrBougo> i know
20:01 <MrBougo> they have to be enabled fisrt
20:01 <epsy> MrBougo, if i knew
20:01 <MrBougo> you need an admin
20:01 <MrBougo> who would load some funny script
20:01 <epsy> (which name is benmac0019.pk3)
20:05 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/trem-bunnyyyy
20:05 <crazy-tronners> <http://ln-s.net/_$h> (at epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539)
20:05 <epsy> crazy-tronners, stfu
20:05 <crazy-tronners> epsy: Error: "stfu" is not a valid command.
20:14 <MrBougo> bye
20:14 <MrBougo> epsy, wtf's this
20:14 <MrBougo> crazy-tronners, help
20:14 <crazy-tronners> MrBougo: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
20:14 <MrBougo> epsy
20:14 <MrBougo> what's this
20:15 <epsy> ??
20:15 <MrBougo> no, soem funny script with commands to disable buildtime, 999bp, cheat on
20:15 <MrBougo> epsy, your screenie
20:15 <MrBougo> how did you do that?
20:16 <MrBougo> epsy: epsy epsy epsy epsy epsy epsy epsy 
20:16 <MrBougo> bye..
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20:54 <Lucifer_arma> you know, instead of reading about the GPL, I'd rather write more GPL code
20:55 <epsy> lol
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody here care about GPL v3, anyway?
21:00 <luke-jr_work> dunno
21:00 <epsy> not me :P
21:01 <epsy> i'm preferring BSD anyways
21:01 <luke-jr_work> I'd rather write my own short and simple license
21:01 <epsy> (which is short and simple, btw)
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> in a perfect world, or at least a world with about 20% of the greed this one has, I'd prefer BSD too
21:02 <luke-jr_work> "All rights are granted provided you offer free of charge the source code along with any program you distribute."
21:02 <epsy> BSD is for me the « truth » of what a free licence would be
21:02 <luke-jr_work> in a perfect world, we wouldn't need licenses
21:02 <epsy> in a perfect world, we wouldn't exist
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> only as long as you make the assumption that people will behave with the software as far as distributing it are concerned can I agree with you
21:02 <epsy> stop dreaming about the perfect world
21:02 <luke-jr_work> that's part of it being a perfect world
21:03 <epsy> just support your world, or don't, at your choice
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, as long as it's perfectly ok to bite the hand that feeds you (which it is in a capitalistic society), then I won't release under BSD license
21:03 <epsy> (*just live with the real world, or don't, it's up to you)
21:04 <epsy> you know what ?
21:04 <epsy> i don't care about what they are fucknig doing
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> really?  So they come back and bitchslap you for the program you wrote and you're fine with that?
21:05 <epsy> i don't know why they would bitchslap me...
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> "Hey you asshole, this program you wrote opened up a hole in my mother's brother's cousin's former roommate's computer and his identity got stolen, I'm kicking your ass!"
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> or how about this:
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> "Hey dickhead, this program you wrote pissed off the communists in China, and now we have to kill you or else they'll send our ambassador back"
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, then there's the james bond scenario
21:06 <epsy> what does the bsd do in this ??????
21:06 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: how about my license?
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> lets them hide the fact that you wrote the program they're bitching about :)
21:08 <Lucifer_arma> of course, each statement contains "program you wrote"
21:08 <epsy> i simply say: « it was hAit who wrote that program, not me »
21:08 <epsy> xD
21:08 <Lucifer_arma> I was actually thinking more like you write a good socket library, napster uses it to let people freely exchange music, and the record companies come after you, too
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> because napster says you wrote the network part, they just wrote the ui
21:09 <epsy> i'm really afraid where does the bsd come in there ?
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> sure, you can ultimately become exonerated by showing your code
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> because the bsd allows napster in that situation to withhold the code
21:10 <epsy> you put a warning, that there isn't any warranty...
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> the reason why I say 20% greed and I like BSD is because the share and share-alike that we're all raised with is getting overruled by selfish greed
21:10 <epsy> my code gets shared, what then ?
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> decrease the selfish greed by a substantial amount so the share-and-share-alike attitudes can come out from where they're hiding, and I'm down with the BSD license
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's all I'm saying.  I think people should share and share alike, and if they don't want to do that, then I don't want them to use my code
21:12 <Vanhayes> Anyone up for some civ?
21:12 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: ...
21:12 <epsy> haha xD
21:12 <luke-jr_work> *maybe* in 4 hours
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> no civ!
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me, I was trying to work on my network protocol
21:12 <epsy> i pretty munch fucked my script and now i'm too lazy to get back on it
21:13 <epsy> i wrote about all the code of it at school...i have it on paper
21:13 <epsy> i just have to type it
21:13 <epsy> but i'm too lazy to do that
21:13 <Vanhayes> oh ya, luke-jr_work, I hoped you learned your lesson about giving me any power at all
21:14 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: don't use glob2 as an example with that
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21:27 <Lucifer_arma> correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't know that luke-jr and "learned your lesson" belong in the same sentence
21:27 <luke-jr_work> no
21:30 <Vanhayes> no they dont, or no you didnt?
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> no they don't
21:31 <GodTodd> luke-jr and "learned" don't belong in the same sentence
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> now I remember where I was, working on the login again
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, unless that sentence is "I just learned that luke-jr is an asshat"
21:31 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, ?
21:31 <GodTodd> that's like saying "i just learned the sky is blue"....it just *is* ;)
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> self-evident, even
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> so how's calc going, GodTodd (hi there!) ?
21:32 <GodTodd> yep
21:32 <GodTodd> going ok for a class i've only had twice so far 
21:32 <GodTodd> heh
21:32 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: you're wrong, but I refuse to correct you
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> by my count you should be about to take your first derivative
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> or still reviewing precal?
21:32 <GodTodd> we're on limits
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> the sequence that I don't think can be changed is review precal->limits->derivative
21:33 <GodTodd> we didn't review precal
21:33 <GodTodd> just jumped into limits then learning mathematica
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> not even a 5 minute "this is a function" review?
21:33 <GodTodd> nope
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> did the teacher even ask "do you know logarithms?"
21:33 <GodTodd> nope
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> fun :)
21:33 <GodTodd> :)
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> that knocks out the whole first test from my calc 1 class ;)
21:34 <GodTodd> heh
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, the derivative was on it, but it was simple functions using the difference quotient
21:34 <GodTodd> we did that in precal
21:34 <luke-jr_work> "know" logarithms?
21:34 <luke-jr_work> wtf is there to know?
21:34 <luke-jr_work> it's just basic numbers
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> so there's a warning in the syllabus that says "If you didn't just finish precal, you signed up for the wrong class."?
21:35 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: we're discussing education...wait till we're on a subject you know about
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, when you take the limit of the difference quotient as h goes to 0, you get the derivative
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> assuming you learned it with an h in the denominator
21:35 <GodTodd> we did
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> well there you go, now you're a step up from the class.  :)  (you didn't do limits in precal, did you?)
21:36 <GodTodd> we covered instantaneous speed and stuff too
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> now you just need to figure out how to take that limit without blowing it up
21:36 <GodTodd> nope...we did conics but not limits
21:36 <luke-jr_work> blowing it up would be more fun
21:37 <GodTodd> oh...that's right...christians like to kill people with explosives
21:37 <GodTodd> heh
21:37 <luke-jr_work> explosives are for babies...
21:38 <GodTodd> you kill babies?
21:38 <GodTodd> stupid fucker
21:39 <epsy> what's best in that quote from luke-jr is his name « luke-jr_work »
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_force*distance
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> oh alright, you guys have piqued my curiosity
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> .last --from luke-jr
21:40 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages.
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> .last --from luke-jr_work
21:40 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: [21:40:08] <luke-jr_work> explosives are for babies...
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> .last --from luke-jr_work --limit 10
21:40 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> .last --from luke-jr_work 10
21:40 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> .last --from luke-jr_work --nolimit
21:40 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: [21:40:08] <luke-jr_work> explosives are for babies..., [21:38:48] <luke-jr_work> blowing it up would be more fun, [21:36:59] <luke-jr_work> it's just basic numbers, [21:36:56] <luke-jr_work> wtf is there to know?, [21:36:53] <luke-jr_work> "know" logarithms?, [21:34:48] <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: you're wrong, but I refuse to correct you, [21:30:14] <luke-jr_work> no, [21:16:46] (2 more messages)
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> .more
21:40 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: don't use glob2 as an example with that, [21:14:29] <luke-jr_work> *maybe* in 4 hours, [21:14:23] <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: ..., [21:09:14] <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: how about my license?, [21:05:14] <luke-jr_work> that's part of it being a perfect world, [21:04:35] <luke-jr_work> in a perfect world, we wouldn't need licenses, [21:04:21] <luke-jr_work> "All (1 more message)
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> for nothing, all for nothing
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> why did I think there'd be something interesting in there?
21:41 <GodTodd> so if you do a function of luke-jr_work's ignorance, would the limit not exist?
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, luke-jr_work (hi there!) , I have no intention of doing anything remotely like glob2's network code
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what the function is dependent on
21:42 <epsy> .last --from luke-jr_work --with obsolete
21:42 <crazy-tronners> epsy: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages.
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> if it's luke-jr_work's ignorance with respect to time, then the limit as time increases is 0
21:42 <epsy> .last --from luke-jr_work --with for babies
21:42 <crazy-tronners> epsy: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
21:42 <GodTodd> dependent on whether or not you can live without a functioning brain ;)
21:42 <epsy> .last --from luke-jr_work --with for babies --nolimit
21:42 <crazy-tronners> epsy: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
21:42 <luke-jr_work> what happened to armabot?
21:42 <epsy> .last --with for babies --nolimit
21:42 <crazy-tronners> epsy: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
21:43 <epsy> splitted out
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, if it's taken with respect to distance, then as distance grows, the limit becomes more irrelevant :)
21:43 <GodTodd> heh
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, timesheet
21:44 <GodTodd> time to sheet?
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> 27.75 hours this week
21:44 <GodTodd> i already went sheet
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> but that's because monday was a holiday, which otherwise would have been another 8 hours
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm suddenly not really in the mood to finish the login stuff, but it's a blocker for anything else
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> have to get into the new protocol I just designed before anything else can happen
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I need a byte to signal whether or not the chunk requires an ACK
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> I guess that's not terribly necessary using a stream socket, but if we were to switch over to udp, it would matter a lot :)
21:47 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: it'd be cool if it was XMPP-based
21:47 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653686.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
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21:55 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: ltciv?
21:55 <Vanhayes> is that 1 turn civ?
21:55 <Vanhayes> because ltciv makes no sense to me
21:56 <luke-jr_work> 24hr timeout
21:56 <luke-jr_work> http://www.longturn.org/lt-classic-3-started
21:56 <luke-jr_work> just started
21:56 <crazy-tronners> Title: LT-classic-3 - started | Longturn (at www.longturn.org)
21:57 <luke-jr_work> crazy-tronners: wtf?
21:57 <crazy-tronners> luke-jr_work: Error: "wtf?" is not a valid command.
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's a drupal site
22:02 <GodTodd> hrmm...at least my bot doesn't get mouthy everytime someone links a site...
22:02 <GodTodd> heh
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't decided if I like that feature or not
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> but as long as P4 isn't in here masturbating his bot, I don't know that I care too much if it's here
22:06 <luke-jr_work> lol
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> oops, looks like I forgot to write the encode/decode functions for login
22:11 <epsy> ftp is so damn slow -.-
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> compared to ... ?
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> zmodem?
22:12 <luke-jr_work> encode/decode why?
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> kermit?
22:12 <epsy> since now 10 minutes i'm sending xaraya to my personal space
22:12 <epsy> 7% done
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's your internet connection, not the protocol?
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I say that because when I was still on cable, I could get 1000kb/sec with ftp
22:13 <epsy> nothing uses my net connection, execpt the ftp client, xchat, gajim, and amsn
22:13 <luke-jr_work> FTP sends the data over TCP w/o any overhead
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> but not with http, and I suspect that's because ftp servers are optimized for large, long file transfers where web servers aren't
22:13 <luke-jr_work> the only difference between FTP and HTTP is how the transfer is established/initiated
22:14 <epsy> Oo
22:14 <epsy> ETA 1:18:00
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> how big is the file?
22:14 <epsy> are...
22:14 <luke-jr_work> is...
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's good that you're looking at your own usage first, though.  The grid is full of people who don't...  but oftentimes, prevailing conditions on the internet can screw you no matter how good you are with your own machine
22:17 <epsy> 41 Mo are the files
22:17 <luke-jr_work> I like in MO
22:18 <epsy> i'm just hoping the connection won't break in the middle of the transfert
22:18 <luke-jr_work> why?
22:18 <luke-jr_work> FTP supports resuming transfers
22:18 <epsy> because ftp connections often breaks
22:19 <luke-jr_work> so?
22:19 <luke-jr_work> anyway, the flaw in FTP is authentication, security, and privacy
22:19 <luke-jr_work> everything else is fine
22:19 <epsy> and so i'ill have to check one hour long if the connection didn't break
22:26 <P4> is there any problem with crazy-tronners?
22:27 <epsy> http://notlong.com/links/
22:27 <epsy> http://notlong.com/links/
22:27 <epsy> http://notlong.com/links/
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> besides being just another damn clan?
22:27 <crazy-tronners> Title: notlong Free Short URL Redirection: Sites That Shorten Long URLs (at notlong.com)
22:27 <crazy-tronners> Title: notlong Free Short URL Redirection: Sites That Shorten Long URLs (at notlong.com)
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> er wait, you're talking about the bot
22:27 <P4> oh
22:27 <crazy-tronners> Title: notlong Free Short URL Redirection: Sites That Shorten Long URLs (at notlong.com)
22:27 <epsy> ...
22:27 <P4> this crappy page titles
22:27 <crazy-tronners> epsy: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
22:27 <epsy> i hate this
22:27 <P4> i haven't know about that
22:27 <P4> i'll fix it...
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> don't fix the ... thing though
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> that keeps luke in check
22:27 <epsy> xD
22:27 <epsy> !delire
22:27 <BotSub> Fasten you seat belt NOW, i'm kicking you...3...2...1...0
22:28 <epsy> !nodelire
22:28 <BotSub> Ok, i wont kick you
22:28 <P4> http://notlong.com/links/
22:28 <P4> seems like fixed
22:28 <epsy> good
22:28 <epsy> ty :)
22:28 <P4> anything else? :}
22:28 <epsy> ...
22:28 <crazy-tronners> epsy: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> no!
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> don't fix that one!
22:28 <epsy> :)
22:28 <P4> :P
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's like the automatic bitch-at-luke thing
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> now if you can just make it work for Lucifer_arma: ...
22:29 <epsy> .-*{([ø|¦|ø])}*-.
22:29 <crazy-tronners> epsy: Error: "ø|¦|ø" is not a valid command.
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> .nickometer epsy
22:29 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "epsy" is 0.0%.
22:29 <P4> .alias add .. [do slaps $nick]
22:29  * crazy-tronners slaps $nick
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> .nickometer crazy-tronners
22:29 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "crazy-tronners" is 14.4%.
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> ...
22:29 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: Error: ".." is not a valid command.
22:29 <P4> .alias add .. "do slaps $nick"
22:29 <crazy-tronners> P4: The operation succeeded.
22:29 <P4> ...
22:29  * crazy-tronners slaps P4
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> ...
22:29 <crazy-tronners> Lucifer_arma: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> haha
22:30 <P4> aww
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> it was a nice thought, though
22:30 <P4> hmm
22:33 <P4> try ... again
22:34 <GodTodd> ...
22:34  * crazy-tronners slaps GodTodd
22:34 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 gfduxitgerhyuiovfg<hqiùHMhAU_IGHIUDRLGHUGYgyhugbysgfæÊ€æÊ»þýýûÎÃ]
22:34 <P4> :}
22:35 <GodTodd> anyways...gotta go put away my meat ;)
22:35 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma can you see if the lobster tub shows up on your master server list
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> er, not riht this minute, sorry
22:46 <luke-jr_work> .alias add .. 
22:46 <crazy-tronners> luke-jr_work: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and (1 more message)
22:46 <luke-jr_work> .alias add .. ""
22:46 <crazy-tronners> luke-jr_work: The operation succeeded.
22:46 <luke-jr_work> ..
22:46 <crazy-tronners> luke-jr_work: Error: "." is not a valid command.
22:46 <luke-jr_work> ...
22:46 <crazy-tronners> luke-jr_work: Error: "" is not a valid command.
22:46 <luke-jr_work> bah
22:47 <luke-jr_work> .rss
22:47 <crazy-tronners> luke-jr_work: (rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines.
22:47 <luke-jr_work> .rss http://timeout
22:47 <crazy-tronners> luke-jr_work: Unable to download feed.
22:47 <luke-jr_work> hm
22:55 -!- luke-jr_work [n=luke-jr@adsl-76-194-177-181.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"]
23:13 <P4> ...
23:13 <crazy-tronners> P4: Error: "" is not a valid command.
23:13 <P4> .alias remove ..
23:13 <crazy-tronners> P4: The operation succeeded.
23:13 <P4> .alias add .. "do [rain slaps $nick]"
23:13 <crazy-tronners> P4: The operation succeeded.
23:13 <P4> ...
23:13  * crazy-tronners slaps P
23:14 <P4> .alias add .. "do [rot13 slaps $nick]"
23:14 <crazy-tronners> P4: The operation succeeded.
23:14 <P4> ...
23:14  * crazy-tronners fyncf C4
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> see, this bot-masturbation is annoying
23:14 <P4> what you mean?
23:14 <P4> remove it if unwanted
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> why not just /msg it to keep the testing light on the channel?
23:14 <P4> if you dont want alias add to be public i think i can fix it too
23:15 <P4> oh... you mean that 
23:15 <P4> :)
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's the part where the channel fills up with that stuff :)
23:15 <P4> ok im sorry
23:17 <P4> what was the alias to lookup the configureation of armgetron?
23:17 <P4> and how was the CVS changes news added?
23:18 <P4> and the map repository changes :D
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> the svn notifiers use a custom plugin we wrote
23:18  * Lucifer_arma thinks
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's in svn somewhere :)
23:18 <P4> :)
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> not terribly well-documented either
23:18 <P4> .svn
23:19 <crazy-tronners> P4: Error: "svn" is not a valid command.
23:19 <P4> what's the svn path?
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/support/armabot/trunk/
23:19 <crazy-tronners> <http://ln-s.net/_:d> (at armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net)
23:19 <P4> thanks
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> it's in plugins
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> might need https
23:19 <P4> isn't that ln-s thnig annoying?
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't decided yet
23:19 <P4> ok :)
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> epsy doesn't like it
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> don't know about anyone else
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> to use that plugin, you have to make your bot join #commits
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> because that's where the commit messages come from
23:22 <P4> i'll get full svn first, i may need newest sources 
23:22 <P4> http://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/ <=- is it your main svn tree?
23:22 <crazy-tronners> <http://ln-s.net/_:k> (at armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net)
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> yes, and it's huge
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> just get the plugins directory for the bot, really :)
23:23 <P4> oh
23:23 <P4> ;)
23:24  * P4 is getting some music rigth now
23:24 <P4> ok i'll go for a little smoke ;)
23:24 <P4> is it 20MB or 200MB?
23:24 <P4> is it about*
23:28 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
23:29 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: Latest Version: 0.2.8.2 | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron
23:29 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's huge, man, huge
23:32 <P4> you're right, and thansfer rate drops :|
23:32 <P4> i mean jumps
23:32 <P4> hmm, i'll try to browse it with my client
23:38 <P4> why it takes so long :|

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