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Log from 2006-12-15:
--- Day changed Fri Dec 15 2006
00:08 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has left #Armagetron []
00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6517 /private/z-man/clio/function_single.hpp: Argh, don't look at the last revision.
00:09  * Lucifer_arma looks at the last revision
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6518 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/ (Makefile.am tools/tConfiguration_wrap.cpp): Completed tConfiguration loading wrapping.
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, after reemerging php I had to reemerge eaccelerator
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00:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: 
00:15 <spidey> this comic has over 1500 pages????!!!!!????1111oneoneone!!!one1
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's been around for awhile :)
00:16 <spidey> i'm only on page 124
00:16 <spidey> :(
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.cafepress.com/sinfest/143366
00:20 <spidey> i refuse
00:21 <spidey> anyone wanna play S3d? ;x
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00:28 <Seyahnav> #ping
00:28 <armabot> pong
00:32 <Your_mom_arma> #pong
00:32 <armabot> ping
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00:35 <spidey> heh
00:35 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, remembre that math test i failed, 
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:35 <spidey> i was able to take the grade and still pass
00:36 <spidey> thing is, i only have two math tests this semester
00:36 <spidey> :D
00:36 <spidey> good thing i made a 100 on my first >.>
00:36 <spidey> i'ma have algerbra when i get to 10th grade
00:36 <spidey> ;/
00:37 <Your_mom_arma> you havnt had algebra yet?
00:37 <spidey> should be by the end of janurary
00:37 <spidey> no, i'm still in 9th grade
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> he's going to take algerbra, not algebra
00:38 <Your_mom_arma> ohhh
00:38 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
00:38 <spidey> ??
00:38 <spidey> #check algerbra
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00:38 <armabot> spidey: algebra
00:38 <spidey> w/e
00:38 <Your_mom_arma> i had algebra in like the 7th grade
00:38 <custang> same
00:38 <Your_mom_arma> if not before then
00:39 <spidey> ...
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00:39 <spidey> 8th grade is prealgebra
00:39 <spidey> 9th grade is a review
00:40 <spidey> 10th grade is algebra
00:40 <Your_mom_arma> so your saying that thats true wherever you go
00:40 <custang> i like algebra its easy
00:40 <spidey> did i say that?
00:40 <spidey> noooo
00:40 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 23
00:40 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #23: "<spidey> you wanna fuck Luke-Jr ?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:40 AM, October 15, 2006)
00:41 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 21
00:41 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
00:41 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 22
00:41 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #22: "i got a pen from a microsoft rep about 2 months ago.. already stopped working properly -- Plazma" (added by Lucifer_arma at 03:46 AM, September 19, 2006)
00:41 <Your_mom_arma> meh
00:41 <custang> lol
00:41 <Your_mom_arma> cant find the one im looking for
00:41 <custang> #quote get 19
00:41 <armabot> custang: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> I flunked algebra twice
00:42 <custang> lol
00:42 <custang> algebra is easy
00:42 <custang> bye
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00:42 <spidey> #quote get 24
00:42 <armabot> spidey: Quote #24: "i'll be in grade 12 by fevurary -- spidey" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:18 AM, October 21, 2006)
00:42 <spidey> wow
00:43 <Your_mom_arma> who the hell is that
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> custang?
00:43 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> just another freeloader
00:43 <spidey> who
00:43 <spidey> kicked luke for us
00:43 <luke-jr|work> lol
00:43 <Your_mom_arma> can we ban the java irc clients
00:43 <spidey> who needs them anyways
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00:44 <spidey> must be raining at hayes's ;x
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00:45 <Seyahnav> no
00:45 <Seyahnav> just bad connection
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00:45 <spidey> ...
00:51 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM AST; Tonight - Clearing early this evening. Fog patches. Low plus 1.; Friday - Cloudy with sunny periods. Showers beginning in the afternoon. Fog patches. Wind becoming south 20 km/h in the morning. High 9. Friday night..showers ending overnight (1 more message)
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01:02 <spidey> haha
01:02 <spidey> IE hax!
01:02 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net
01:08 <Vanhayes> Ie sucks
01:08 <spidey> alot of people still use it
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01:09 <spidey> so if i want to host people who use IE
01:09 <spidey> my layout has to work in IE, so they can navigate through the site
01:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/manta/fortress/horseshoe-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by manta
01:13 <Vanhayes> #night
01:13 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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01:50 <DrJoeTron> we all know ie sucks
01:50 <DrJoeTron> but most of the world uses ie
01:50 <DrJoeTron> and those people have money
01:50 <DrJoeTron> most people as in, (i'm not computer savvy) america
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02:18 <DrJoeTron> ghableska get CS:S yet? :D
02:18 <ghableska> no, not yet
02:18 <DrJoeTron> :/ how about now?
02:18 <ghableska> no
02:18 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:18 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 53.6°F (6:54 PM CST on December 14, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa. 
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02:33 <spidey> #time
02:33 <armabot> spidey: 02:36 AM, December 15, 2006
02:33 <ghableska> lol
02:34 <DrJoeTron> http://www.lucid-tv.com/027.html
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02:47 <luke-jr> #tell your_mom_arma http://olrl.org/doctrine/eens2.shtml
02:49 <luke-jr> dumb bot?
02:50 <DrJoeTron> mom left
02:51 <spidey> #later tell Your_mom_arma <luke-jr> #tell your_mom_arma http://olrl.org/doctrine/eens2.shtml
02:51 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
02:53 <GodTodd> user erroe
02:53 <GodTodd> error*
02:54 <spidey> lol
02:55 <GodTodd> i would elaborate but i wouldn't want to be seen as abusive
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03:09 <luke-jr> [0] Warning in REAL sn_SendPlanned1() in ../../../src/armagetronad-0.3.0.svn/src/network/nNetwork.cpp:2861 :
03:09 <luke-jr>         [0] Timer hickup!
03:09 <luke-jr> what's that mean? O.o
03:09 <spidey> it means you need to scare the shit out of it
03:10 <spidey> so its hickups go away
03:10 <spidey> dunno
03:10 <luke-jr> lol
03:10 <spidey> i used to get them on my server
03:10 <spidey> i think it's a cpu thing
03:10 <luke-jr> O.o
03:10 <spidey> i know it lagged like all hell when it did that
03:11 <luke-jr> :\
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh, my daughter gets mad at me whenever she has the hiccups
03:13 <ghableska> o.0
03:13 <spidey> lol
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> she walks over and says "hic", and I say "BLAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWHAAAAAAAAAAAAACKK!" and tickle her
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> then we argue over whether or not I should have scared her.  She says "You shouldn't have scared me!" and I say "You dn't have the hiccups anymore!"
03:15 <pinter> scaring me never worked to get rid of my hiccups
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's because you've never been my daughter
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> early in my marriage, my wife came up to me with the hiccups
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> I told her "the test came back, apparently I'm HIV positive"
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> then after she stared at me in shock for a few minutes, I said "Oh good, your hiccups went away."
03:16 <Lucifer_arma> she was *so* mad
03:18 <pinter> a few minutes?
03:18 <luke-jr> ROFL
03:18 <pinter> how long did you let he believe you had HIV?
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> a few minutes
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> I had to confirm the hiccups were gone
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> that wouldn't work now, but we've since found a much better cure.  sex!
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> obviously I can't do that cure for my daughter
03:20 <luke-jr> phew. I wasn't sure, knowing you
03:21 <luke-jr> ok
03:21 <luke-jr> sorry
03:21 <luke-jr> that wasn't funny
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> no.  she's about to turn 8.  Maybe in 10 years that would be funny, but definitely not now.
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> wow
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> don't copy the first half of one problem, and the second half of another, and expect your answer to match the book's answer
03:26 <luke-jr> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/13/342
03:26 <luke-jr> finally
03:27 <spidey> um
03:27 <spidey> holding my breath always made my hiccups go away
03:27 <luke-jr> I'm sure being told you have HIV would do it too
03:27 <spidey> not really
03:27 <spidey> we all die sometime...
03:28 <luke-jr> yeah, but you get less time to learn the truth if you die sooner
03:28 <luke-jr> BTW, sorry, haven't found a good sized envelope yet to mail your proof in
03:28 <spidey> the truth believing in god was a waste of my time?
03:28 <luke-jr> will look more tonight
03:28 <spidey> if you send me some retarded bullshit prank type thing
03:29 <spidey> i hope the admin contact on my domain is wrong
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> just don't sniff whatever he sends
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> you know how religious extremists are
03:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: stfu
03:32 <luke-jr> :p
03:34 <spidey> LOL
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> dude, my logic is completelly irrefutable
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's even documented in the bible that religious extremists do really nasty things to people
03:35 <ghableska> haha
03:36 <spidey> like
03:43 <DrJoeTron> it's been documented in the bible that god does really nasty things to people too.
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  The devil offers you power and god offers destruction, calls it salvation
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> what could be more empowering than freedom and independence?
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> so, freedom or guilt?  that's the choice
03:47 <DrJoeTron> and such blasphemous things as make love, not war
03:47 <DrJoeTron> it should be make war, not love :/
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03:49 <RickyRoss> luke
03:49 <RickyRoss> wtf
03:49 <RickyRoss> the server died
03:49 <RickyRoss> and my ping is like 120 in a american server, what is this bs
03:49 <RickyRoss> is this on a comcast cable or a 100 mbit t3
03:50 <RickyRoss> what a joke
03:50 <ghableska> :)
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03:50 <Lucifer_arma> search the chatlogs for "perceived lack of quality"
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03:58 <Legit> luke?
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> luke (cockeater)-jr: ping
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> er
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> try typing his name out completely
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> I can't, I have this thing that does a substitution whenever it sees "luke (cockeater)"
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> see?
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, removed it
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: ping
04:02 <Legit> anyone kno why a server form luke shows up like 4 times on the master lsit and says u cant connect to server when u try to go on it
04:03 <luke-jr> O.o
04:03  * luke-jr connected to it?
04:03 <Legit> im n armalukechat
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04:04 <Durka> its ur server...
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> luke, do ps -A | grep "arma" on your server
04:05 <spidey> lol
04:05 <luke-jr> oh
04:05 <luke-jr> haha
04:05 <Durka> check out my screenshot :)
04:05 <Durka> http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9036/screenshot95fd5.png
04:05  * Lucifer_arma whacks luke-jr (hi there!) with the customer service clue bat
04:06  * luke-jr ponders doing that on purpose
04:06 <luke-jr> :p
04:06 <Durka> actually 11 servers cuz regular fortress is urs right?
04:06 <Lucifer_arma> arma only goes up to 10 ports by default, so after the 10th one was taken, it should've stopped
04:07 <Lucifer_arma> you know, when luke's script went bonkers
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> this would also explain both the inability of a person to connect and the 120 ping for someone who connected
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> CPU was probably maxed out trying to start all these arma processes
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> but I suppose the scientific method is too much to apply to such a situation, no truth comes from science
04:10 <Durka> lol
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04:11 <RickyRoss> i heard your script when "bonkers" according to lucifer
04:11 <RickyRoss> luke..?
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> type his full name, but he's off putting out the fire right now
04:11 <RickyRoss> k
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> he should really set his highlighter to look for "luke" by itself sometime.  Mine's set to find luci, so you don't have to type *my* whole name.  :)
04:12 <RickyRoss> luci
04:12 <RickyRoss> lolololol
04:12 <Legit> hi luke!
04:12 <RickyRoss> luke-jr
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> people have been calling me luci around here since I first started playing :)
04:12 <RickyRoss> lol
04:12 <RickyRoss> ikno
04:13 <Durka> hi luc
04:13 <Durka> without the eye
04:13 <Durka> bbl food
04:13  * Durka is eating duck for dinner
04:13 <Legit> no!
04:13 <Durka> super duck ;)
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> mmmmmmmm
04:13 <Legit> super ducks r too nice
04:13 <Legit> dotn touch them nor play duck hunt
04:13 <RickyRoss> o
04:14 <RickyRoss> k
04:14 <luke-jr> ok
04:14 <luke-jr> this is where
04:14 <luke-jr> I stab Gentoo
04:14 <Legit> k stab him
04:14 <RickyRoss> oooloolol
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:15  * Lucifer_arma refers to his earlier rant about gentoo
04:15  * luke-jr notes his past servers ran Debian
04:15  * RickyRoss punctures gentoo's light cycle tires
04:15 <RickyRoss> pwnage
04:15 <RickyRoss> y dont u run debian then
04:16 <RickyRoss> like get one that does debian
04:16 <luke-jr> was trying Gentoo on the new one
04:16 <RickyRoss> how much did the computer rent cost
04:16 <RickyRoss> around 25 bucks?
04:17 <RickyRoss> telle the truth :P
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04:17 <RickyRoss> speak english?
04:17 <RickyRoss> lwl
04:18 <RickyRoss> luke-jr what is the price of the computer rent
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04:18 <RickyRoss> should i rent a stable computer and you can admin it
04:19 <RickyRoss> hm?
04:19 <RickyRoss> yt?
04:19 <RickyRoss>           
04:20 <RickyRoss> nvm around 200 maybe?
04:22 <RickyRoss> mr r clean!
04:22 <RickyRoss> i talk to my self
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04:23 <Lucifer_arma> man, if a computer rental costed $25/month, there'd be a lot better servers around here
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04:35 <luke-jr> not to mention that T3 I supposedly have
04:35 <luke-jr> what I'd like to know most is what changed since it was working earlier
04:36 <luke-jr> the current problem seemed to be PATH being unset
04:36 <luke-jr> but if that's so, it wouldn't have started earlier
04:36 <luke-jr> and now it's not coming back from a reboot >:O
04:36  * luke-jr gives tech support 30 minutes to respond to a priority Critical
04:37  * luke-jr ponders switching it to Debian, just to give them a fair comparison
04:37  * Durka is back
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04:39 <luke-jr> ...
04:40 <luke-jr> Super_Duck: you there?
04:41 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6178671.stm <-- heh
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04:46 <Arma25> hello
04:46 -!- Arma25 is now known as rickyross
04:46 <rickyross> back
04:46 <luke-jr> hey
04:46 <luke-jr> #armalukechat
04:46 <rickyross> is it working
04:46 <rickyross> k
04:58 <luke-jr> My dad use to say that the reason he never had 10 children (he had 9
04:58 <luke-jr>  also) was that he heard that 1 out of every 10 people in the world are
04:58 <luke-jr>  Chinese and he didn't want a Chinese kid. :o)
04:58 <rickyross> pwn?
04:59 <luke-jr> ftw??
04:59 <rickyross> mb
04:59 <luke-jr> gb
04:59 <rickyross> mb= maybe
05:00 <luke-jr> mb = megabit
05:02 <rickyross> ic
05:03 <ghableska> #weather 50265'
05:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 48.2°F (9:54 PM CST on December 14, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa. 
05:03 <ghableska> #weather 50265
05:03 <ghableska> ops
05:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 48.2°F (9:54 PM CST on December 14, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa. 
05:03 <rickyross> luke-jr requires aim, yes or no
05:03 <rickyross> standard IM is for old farts
05:04 <luke-jr> AOL is for n00bs
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05:08 <luke-jr> ...
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05:11 <Durka> does anyone know where i would find Iceman?
05:11 <mkzelda> anyone use an ipod in linux?
05:11 <Durka> sup dook
05:11 <mkzelda> sup
05:12 <Durka> :p
05:12 <mkzelda> i use amarok to copy stuff to my ipod, but amarok has some things that annoy the crap out of me ( like it ignores some things in my collection when it scans my media directories ) so i'd rather use something else
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05:13 <mkzelda> hrm gtkpod seems alright
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05:21 <Lucifer_arma> no ideas here, sorry
05:22 -!- Arma10 is now known as Durka
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know is that I've been using amarok for my media player and not liking it a lot
05:23  * Durka wants to know where iceman is
05:24 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman
05:26 <Durka> lol ghab
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> is iceman still kicking around?  I thought he left, got arrested or committed or something
05:32 <Durka> lol
05:33 <Durka> i want to use stuff on his site on mine
05:33 <ghableska> has anyone here read Henry V, by Shakespeare?
05:33 <DrJoeTron> probably both
05:33 <Durka> like the tail and bike colors
05:34 <Durka> i just want his permission, i got the code
05:34 <Durka> idk if he "copyrighted" it
05:34 <DrJoeTron> for an opensource game
05:34 <DrJoeTron> ...
05:34 <DrJoeTron> oh god
05:34 <Durka> lol
05:34 <DrJoeTron> don't tell me you're the new iceman
05:34 <DrJoeTron> we can't have two of them.
05:34 <DrJoeTron> you two will have to fight to the death
05:35 <Durka> lol
05:35 <Durka> i just wanna use his code
05:35 <DrJoeTron> fight to the death
05:35 <DrJoeTron> :/
05:35 <DrJoeTron> its the rules
05:35 <Durka> like this: http://durka.freehostia.com/colors.php
05:35 <Durka> i copied the code
05:35 <Durka> but i havent told anyone on the site about it
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> no, Durka's got a long ways to go before he can fill iceman's shoes
05:40 <ghableska> I'm going to bed, cya
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> 'night ghableska (hi there!) 
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05:41 <mkzelda> you just told us durka
05:41 <mkzelda> you thief
05:41 <mkzelda> you should go work for microsoft
05:43 <Durka> i never said i was gonna be a new iceman
05:43 <Durka> llol
05:44  * Durka works for mkzelda
05:45 <mkzelda> awesome
05:45 <mkzelda> go get me some food
05:45 <luke-jr> lol
05:48 <Durka> k here
05:49 <Durka> damn the food wont go into the cd drive =/
05:49 <mkzelda> dcc it
05:53 <Durka> k one sec
06:09 <luke-jr> ./scripts/menu.rb:1: [BUG] Segmentation fault
06:09 <luke-jr> %*()#&%) RUBY
06:15 <DrJoeTron> http://noodlejunkie.com/articles/2006/12/10/ruby-is-rotting
06:21  * Durka Lucifer_arma
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06:26 <mkzelda> :( mooter is busted
06:35 -!- Super_Duck [n=Arma37@ip72-201-70-30.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
07:12 <mkzelda> what was the best/last aa version to not use boost?
07:13 <mkzelda> I cant compile it on my sparc :(
07:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm
07:22 <wrtlprnft> actually that would be a showstopper for boost.
07:24 <wrtlprnft> try revision 5807
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07:34 <wrtlprnft> ah, hi zmanuel. Gotta go soon, but mkzelda is complaining he can't use the trunk on a spark because he can't compile boost on his spark :(
07:34 <luke-jr> sparc*
07:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sorry
07:35 <luke-jr> heh, "wtf is a spark?" :p
07:35 <wrtlprnft> k and c so close to each other, you know?
07:35 <luke-jr> they are?
07:35 <wrtlprnft> ;)
07:36 <mkzelda> heh
07:36 <luke-jr> hey, I'm still a beginner at dvorak :p
07:36  * wrtlprnft is using qwertz
07:36 <zmanuel> I thought boost was reasonably cross platform
07:36 <luke-jr> eww
07:36 <luke-jr> is sparc included in reasonably?
07:36 <zmanuel> I'd think so
07:37 <luke-jr> well, people claim PPC is dying
07:37 <mkzelda> i've had issues w/ boost b4 on not just sparc
07:37 <zmanuel> anyway, we don't really use the bits of boost that need to be compiled, isn't it so?
07:37 <luke-jr> but it's still vastly more popular than SPARC
07:37 <zmanuel> the PS3 is PPC
07:37 <luke-jr> zmanuel: the PS3 features the Cell, IIRC
07:37 <zmanuel> which has a PPC core
07:37 <luke-jr> oh
07:37 <luke-jr> hmm
07:37 <mkzelda> i believe i may have gotten past the boost problem
07:38 <luke-jr> so my earlier idea is possible...
07:38 <mkzelda> apparently it doesnt distribute
07:38 <luke-jr> turning the EFIKA into a PS3 virtualizer...
07:38 <mkzelda> doesnt parrallelize well
07:38 <luke-jr> ah
07:39 <zmanuel> Didn't we plan to put the bits of boost we use into src/thirdparty?
07:39  * luke-jr doesn't remember that
07:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
07:39 <wrtlprnft> noone got around to do that
07:40 <wrtlprnft> nah, in a release we shouldn't depend on all of boost
07:40 <wrtlprnft> imagine how big the arma installer would get on windows if we did
07:40  * luke-jr thinks static linking is bloat, especially when done manually like that
07:41 <luke-jr> of course, when you're talking Windows, there's no real choice
07:41 <zmanuel> wrtlprnft: I think you just got yourself an assignment :) From the active devs, you're the one using boost the most
07:41 <wrtlprnft> errm, uh
07:41 <wrtlprnft> i never used a bit in my own code, i wanted to wait to see boost integrated
07:41 <wrtlprnft> whatever, I'll do it
07:41  * luke-jr silently sneaks off to bed not mentioning the extensive boost in vValue
07:42 <zmanuel> I thought that was wrtl's code originally?
07:42 <luke-jr> indeed, originally
07:42 <wrtlprnft> but w/o boost
07:42 <wrtlprnft> i used std::auto_ptr all over the place
07:42 <luke-jr> actually, I think it had shared_ptr back then
07:42 <zmanuel> oh, then Luke got himself an assignment :)
07:42 <luke-jr> ah, but I disagree with bloating the project with thirdparty code :)
07:43 <wrtlprnft> ph added the boost stuff because he wanted to put tValues into stl containers
07:43 <zmanuel> And I disagree with depending on third party libraries that take a day to compile.
07:43 <wrtlprnft> so my solution with the virtual clone() function didn't work for him
07:43 <luke-jr> then use binaries
07:44  * mkzelda looks for the sparc boost binary
07:44 <luke-jr> or make a seperate sub-project that only builds a minimal boost
07:44 <luke-jr> :p
07:44  * wrtlprnft disagrees with depending on 3rd party libs that take more than 128MB of RAM to compile
07:45 <luke-jr> hey, I only used boost because it was already there and I was told it was pending standards :p
07:45 <luke-jr> and it was convenient
07:45 <luke-jr> :)
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07:45 <zmanuel> Which means it MAY be included in the standard in about 10 years.
07:46 <luke-jr> ok, so let's discontinue Windows support for 10 years :)
07:46 <wrtlprnft> and MAY be integrated into compilers in about 20 years
07:46 <zmanuel> The GCC team is usually faster, especially when it's only a matter of copying code around :)
07:46 <wrtlprnft> anyways, gotta go, geography test starts in 13 minutes
07:47 <zmanuel> anyway, emerge -s boost does not find binaries. So what now?
07:47 <wrtlprnft> but MS can't use gpl code :P
07:47 <luke-jr> hire GenUX
07:47 <luke-jr> oh wait, they went out of biz
07:47 <wrtlprnft> so they'd have to reimplement it i guess
07:47 <zmanuel> And philippe, who would be the one really responsible and hence the man for the inclusion job, isn't around.
07:47 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: neither can glibc
07:48 <custang> wrtlprnft: neither can glibc
07:48 <luke-jr> glibc is only LGPL
07:48 <luke-jr> ...
07:48 <zmanuel> So luke-jr: the job is yours. Do it, please.
07:48 <luke-jr> no thanks
07:49 <mkzelda> Nelson Munce points and says HA HA!
07:49 <zmanuel> Would you rather REMOVE all boost code?
07:49 <zmanuel> Becasue that are the long term choices, really.
07:49 <luke-jr> shrug, maybe
07:49 <luke-jr> so I have to pick between copying code around and inventing my own replacement?
07:49 <zmanuel> Or the minimal distribution.
07:50 <luke-jr> you missed the joke ;)
07:50 <zmanuel> My humor sensors don't react to you anymore since that earth rotation thing, remember?
07:50 <luke-jr> what about the Earth's lack of rotation?
07:51 <mkzelda> I really wish boost would distribute 
07:51 <zmanuel> Well, I thought your first post on it was a very good joke, and it turned out I was very wrong.
07:51 <mkzelda> its the difference of 8 mins and 2-3hrs
07:52 <luke-jr> mkzelda seems the perfect man for making a minimal boost
07:52 <zmanuel> Anyway, three choices: build a minimal distribution of boost with the stuff we use, remove boost code, or integrate it.
07:52 <luke-jr> he actually has incentive :)
07:52  * zmanuel is off for breakfast.
07:52 <mkzelda> im willing to learn
07:52  * luke-jr is off for bed :)
07:52 <luke-jr> almost 1 AM >_<
07:53  * custang its 6:00 pm
07:53 <luke-jr> liar
07:53 <mkzelda> but my experience w/ programming stops after "Understanding programming logic and reason" and Intro to ***
07:53  * custang is from AUSTRALIA
07:53 <luke-jr> mkzelda: that's ok, you theoretically just need to touch the build system and such
07:53 <mkzelda> custang: please dont tell me what happens, i want to be surprised
07:53 <luke-jr> which nobody else here is any better suited to do
07:54 <custang> mkzelda: about what???
07:54 <luke-jr> they have lightbulbs in austrailia?
07:54 <luke-jr> ;)
07:54 <mkzelda> whatever, mr 'im custang from the future'
07:55 <custang> lol
07:55 <custang> its not that bad
07:55 <custang> unless your in the north of australia
07:55 <custang> lol
07:55 <luke-jr> yeah, I guess just the immorality is that bad
07:55 <custang> yep sure is
07:56 <luke-jr> guys cheating on their wives and all :/
07:56 <custang> :| never heared that
07:56 <custang> but im not full aussie im half italian too i like playing football and im good at it
07:57 <luke-jr> football is mere violence
07:57 <custang> football = soccer
07:57 <mkzelda> i think he's talking about soccer man
07:57 <luke-jr> bah
07:57 <custang> haha lol
07:57 <luke-jr> not much better
07:57 <luke-jr> then it's just plain boringness
07:58 <custang> luke-jr you do a sport??
07:58 <mkzelda> foot fairies
07:58 <custang> too old
07:58 <luke-jr> no
07:58 <mkzelda> :D
07:58 <luke-jr> used to shoot rifles
07:58 <custang> lol
07:58 <custang> you from usa
07:58 <luke-jr> but I lack a rifle now
07:58 <mkzelda> guns are evil
07:58 <luke-jr> guns are good
07:58 <mkzelda> they can be used to kill someone and killing is not that cool
07:59 <mkzelda> anymore
07:59 <luke-jr> I can kill someone with a fork too
07:59 <luke-jr> what's your point?
07:59 <mkzelda> you should stop using forks too
07:59 <custang> SPOON
07:59 <mkzelda> ya, use a spoon
07:59 <mkzelda> much safer
07:59 <luke-jr> I'll kill you with a rock then
07:59 <luke-jr> :p
07:59 <custang> haha 
07:59 <mkzelda> then we'll have to get rid of all the rocks
07:59 <luke-jr> then I'll jump on your head
07:59 <luke-jr> :o
07:59 <custang> NO LEGS lol
07:59 <mkzelda> then we'll have to cut off your legs
08:00 <mkzelda> maybe just feet
08:00 <luke-jr> not really, you probably wouldn't feel me
08:00 <luke-jr> but anyhow
08:00 <luke-jr> I'll email you a virus that poisons your water supply
08:00 <luke-jr> :p
08:00 <custang> haha we have no water
08:00 <luke-jr> rofl
08:00 <custang> we have a bit
08:01 <custang> stage 3 and the north is in 6
08:01 <luke-jr> ...
08:01  * luke-jr goes over to his sink and leaves the faucet running for a few hours
08:01 <mkzelda> i read stage 3 and think gentoo
08:01 <luke-jr> hehe
08:02 <luke-jr> speaking of water
08:02 <luke-jr> I'm thirsty
08:02 <luke-jr> brb
08:02  * custang has bad ping in server
08:02 <mkzelda> speaking of thirsty, im hungry
08:02  * custang goes to toliet and misses :O
08:03 <luke-jr> ...
08:03 <custang> ....
08:03 <luke-jr> mmm pure filtered water :)
08:03 <luke-jr> cuz tap water has too much flouride crap
08:03 <luke-jr> :p
08:03 <custang> lol
08:04 <custang> luke-jr you play armagetron??
08:04 <luke-jr> rarely
08:04 <custang> lol never see you
08:04 <custang> yu make servers tho yea??
08:04 <luke-jr> yeah
08:04 <luke-jr> I spend more time developing the game and hosting servers than I do playing it
08:04 <custang> yea me and apparition might be maiing a server
08:05 <luke-jr> O.o
08:05 <custang> making*
08:05 <GodTodd> #dict flouride
08:05 <armabot> GodTodd: No definition for "flouride" could be found.
08:05 <luke-jr> #dict custang
08:05 <armabot> luke-jr: No definition for "custang" could be found.
08:05 <custang> lol i was gonna do that
08:05 <GodTodd> #dict fluoride
08:05 <armabot> GodTodd: wn and gcide responded: wn: fluoride n : a salt of hydrofluoric acid; gcide: Fluoride \Flu"or*ide\ (? or ?; 104), n. [Cf. F. fluoride.] (Chem.) A binary compound of fluorine with another element or radical. [1913 Webster] {Calcium fluoride} (Min.), fluorite, {CaF2}. See {Fluorite}. [1913 Webster]
08:05 <custang> #dict luke-jr
08:05 <armabot> custang: No definition for "luke-jr" could be found.
08:06 <luke-jr> WHAT?!?!?!
08:06 <luke-jr> I mean
08:06 <custang> lol
08:06 <mkzelda> nothing to eat :(
08:06 <luke-jr> WHAT? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ?
08:06 <mkzelda> im almost as hungry as this guy http://www.mkzelda.com/images/Hungrynegro.jpg
08:06 <custang> #dict armagetron
08:06 <armabot> custang: No definition for "armagetron" could be found.
08:06  * GodTodd sends luke a dictionary.
08:06 <custang> haha
08:06 <pinter> #dict pinter
08:06 <armabot> pinter: wn: Pinter n : English dramatist whose plays are characterized by silences and the use of inaction (born in 1930) [syn: {Harold Pinter}]
08:07 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you one of those guys who abuse dictionaries?
08:07 <GodTodd> how do you abuse a dictionary?
08:07 <custang> lol luke-jr it would be so funny if 500 people went into that test server XD
08:07 <mkzelda> if by abuse you mean, cuts out a hole in the middle and hides a flask or drugs in it, then ya
08:07 <luke-jr> attempt to use it for a purpose other than that of which it is intended :p
08:07 <GodTodd> such as?
08:07 <luke-jr> custang: not really, wrtl would have a cow
08:08 <luke-jr> GodTodd: figuring out how to spell words
08:08 <custang> wrtl???
08:08 <GodTodd> so, in your opinion, just what is a dictionary for?
08:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft <-- him
08:08 <luke-jr> GodTodd: looking up definitions of words
08:08 <GodTodd> yeah...cause the words in a dictionary aren't spelled correctly
08:09  * GodTodd rolls his eyes.
08:09 <luke-jr> no, cuz if you don't know how to spell it, you can't look it up
08:09 <luke-jr> du
08:09 <luke-jr> h
08:09 <GodTodd> then a dictionary is of no use to you?
08:09 <luke-jr> dictionary is useful when you know how to spell it
08:09 <luke-jr> :p
08:09 <mkzelda> Some people are smart enough to figure out how to do so anyways
08:09 <GodTodd> then a dictionary is of no use to you?
08:09 <luke-jr> anyhow
08:09 <mkzelda> they sound it out and get some of the first letters right
08:09 <luke-jr> way past bed time
08:09 <custang> we need a server in australia we have one called ShadowLight Tron but the settings are normal and know one goes in it :)
08:10 <luke-jr> mkzelda: not all dictionaries allow searching for partial matches
08:10 <luke-jr> and not all words are spelled like they sound
08:10  * GodTodd notes that knowing everything must not include spelling.
08:10 <mkzelda> oh i was talking about a dictionary in hand
08:10 <luke-jr> custang: last time I looked, server rentals in Aussie were expensive
08:10 <mkzelda> then the person can allow whatever partial matches their brain can handle
08:11 <GodTodd> mkzelda: hence the limitation
08:11 <custang> hehe thats why  dont make a server in australia
08:11 <custang> anyways im going to playing armagetron catch ya guys later
08:12  * custang LEAVES
08:12 <mkzelda> what server?
08:12 <custang> huh???
08:12 <mkzelda> where will u go to play?
08:12 <custang> hmmmmmm
08:12 <custang> maybe durkas
08:13 <mkzelda> haha i just wanted to make a liar out of you
08:13 <mkzelda> you didnt really leave
08:13 <custang> huh????
08:13 <custang> i no
08:13 <mkzelda> :D
08:13 <mkzelda> i may see ya there
08:13  * custang REALLY LEAVES
08:13 <custang> ok bye
08:13 <mkzelda> haha u didnt leave again
08:13 <mkzelda> im not even going
08:13  * custang REALLY REALLY LEAVES
08:14 <custang> bye
08:14 <custang> im serous now
08:14 <custang> hehe magic know im gone......................
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08:16 <mkzelda> Why does Ervin Johnson keep track of where you are?
08:16 <mkzelda> *Earvin
08:19 <mkzelda> hah, i googled for magic johnson and got http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/ b/c it said "Her eyes rolled up pleadingly as she threw her head down again and again on my magic johnson."
08:22 <mkzelda> Tony said...
08:22 <mkzelda>     Way to feed your throbbing Chomsky to her little brown McCarthy.
08:22 <mkzelda>     Like LBJ fucking Kennedy's head wound on Air Force One, this is truer than the truth. Nice work. 
08:22 <mkzelda> roflmao the internets are ridiculous
08:25 <GodTodd> nah...it's just like the world in general...not a thing wrong with it...it's the people on it that annoy me ;)
08:26 <GodTodd> well...most of*
08:26 <GodTodd> heh
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe I missed the boost discussion
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: zmanuel (hi there!) z-man-work (hi there!) ping (this is a drive by thing anyway)
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> joda was going to do the code copying when he got us updated to build in windows.  So it may already be done, he'd intended to put it somewhere for windows only
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> I asked him several times to put it in src/thirdparty though.  You know how thick-headed he can be.  :)
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if we can't "copy code around" and keep the boost stuff we use to ourself, I'm for getting rid of it.  We've got too goddamned many compile time dependencies that aren't optional.
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09:26  * DrJoeTron yawn
09:26 <custang> hey
09:28 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma, GodTodd  spidey scorch3d?
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> if you can get at least one other player besides you and me, I'm in
09:29 <DrJoeTron> ko
09:29 <DrJoeTron> hmm
09:30 <DrJoeTron> maybe Ill work on the lobster tub
09:30 <DrJoeTron> just a quick note
09:30 <DrJoeTron> all of the server settings show up when you join a server right?
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, only what's different from default
09:30 <custang> yes
09:30 <DrJoeTron> custang seems more right than you
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> rather, only what's different from the client's settings, which are usually default but not always
09:31 <DrJoeTron> :p
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> have you ever seen TALK_TO_MASTER in there?  ;)
09:31 <custang> nope
09:31 <custang> i think
09:31 <DrJoeTron> either that or contact nemo and swampy for their server settings for limbo and shrunk
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> no, you haven't.  It's not sent to the client
09:31 <DrJoeTron> so I can make mix them
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> nemo posted his limbo settings awhile back
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> and, they may be in examples
09:32 <DrJoeTron> oh that makes my life a tad easier
09:32 <DrJoeTron> I gotta get this combined and send it to gomes to put on the lobster tub
09:32 <custang> you making a server or something???
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> if he is, it'll be in illinois
09:33 <DrJoeTron> it wont help ya' aussie boy
09:33 <custang> :(
09:33 <DrJoeTron> and its more like redoing a server that was already up
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, joe's adhd, he has to rearrange all of his servers every couple of hours
09:34 <custang> lol
09:34 <DrJoeTron> its out of my hands
09:34 <DrJoeTron> I have no choice
09:34 <custang> how many servers you have???
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, I should restart my server
09:34 <DrJoeTron> but the shrunken limbo will be much better than fortress
09:34 <DrJoeTron> currently 1 1/2
09:34 <custang> k
09:35 <DrJoeTron> half becouse its sitting there and waiting for a new configuration
09:35 <custang> lucifer you own super duck nano??
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> do you want to start from default settings, or cage settings?
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> custang: no, I think that's Legit's
09:35 <custang> lol 
09:35 <DrJoeTron> default
09:35 <custang> mixed up
09:36 <DrJoeTron> I dont think lobster settings would work
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok.  Then you'll probably want to restart your client
09:36 <DrJoeTron> on a small grid
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> you know, connect to shrunkland first, grab a screenshot, then quit and restart and connect to limbo
09:36 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what I was going to do
09:36 <DrJoeTron> but if some of it is already posted
09:36 <DrJoeTron> why not?
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> if you wanted to start from cage settings, you could just connect to the cage in between :)
09:37 <DrJoeTron> I kept the settings of the cage on this pc
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, you might have to dig for it.  It might be easier to just connect and grab a screenshot :)
09:37 <DrJoeTron> just incase anything went bad
09:37 <DrJoeTron> your ways is faster right now
09:37 <DrJoeTron> ONLY because I'm peeling an orange
09:38 <custang> hehe
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> oooo, can I watch?
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> are you going to peel a banana next?
09:39 <custang> apparition, hans, rodreges and i might be making a server
09:41 <DrJoeTron> I know
09:41 <DrJoeTron> you private messaged me about it
09:42 <DrJoeTron> as well as Lucifer_arma, and made 2 threads about it ;)
09:42 <DrJoeTron> why cant you just host it on your pc
09:42 <DrJoeTron> thats what I did for almost a year
09:42 <DrJoeTron> its not rocket science
09:42 <custang> lol but i dont kept in on 24/7
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> turn it on 24/7, then?
09:43 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma does have a point
09:43 <custang> watse power lol
09:43 <DrJoeTron> hey it just turned night time on the east side of the australia
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> if "lol" used as a full stop in Australia?
09:44 <custang> na this is .
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> ah
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> is there an Australia On-Line, then?
09:44 <DrJoeTron> I thought you ended each sentences with "lol" lol
09:45 <DrJoeTron> well if you're cool you did
09:45 <custang> on line where on aramgetron??
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think we should deprecate lol and instead use "aol"
09:45 <DrJoeTron> haha
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> and to end a paragraph, we'll use aolzomgrofldicksuck
09:46 <custang> haha people use lawl hehehe
09:46 <DrJoeTron> hurf druf
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> so, in order to avoid wasting power, you'd like to get someone else to run a server 24/7 for you?
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> how does *that* now waste power?
09:46 <custang> lol i was joking around XD
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> see, the problem is, you're coming off sounding like a freeloader, and while we all like to get free shit, we generally don't like freeloaders
09:47 <DrJoeTron> the fact that you're trying to freeload on a free game
09:47 <DrJoeTron> is kind of a different low
09:47 <DrJoeTron> especially for a server your going to run for like what, 8 months tops?
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  The general attitude around here is that if you're getting a free game and you want to improve it somehow (such as by offering a server on a continent that currently doesn't have one), you kinda should be trying to contribute
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> the nice thing about it being a game is that there's a way for every person to contribute something positive
09:48 <DrJoeTron> especially when most of the server hosts are in europe and the US
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> even joe's cat has made positive contributions to the game
09:48 <DrJoeTron> he has
09:48 <DrJoeTron> :3
09:49 <DrJoeTron> wanna know his name :V?
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> so, if you're not actually trying to freeload, we could use something that would make it more obvious ;)   <--- ;) can be used as a full stop
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> his name is Lucifer, I'm sure
09:49 <DrJoeTron> it's whitey
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have a black cat that went around whining all the time.  I named him Oreo
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> (ok, that's not true, but it's funny!)
09:51 <DrJoeTron> custang I think it would be great contribution if you set up a server in australia, but as I said, most of us are from europe and the US
09:51 <DrJoeTron> so having us host a server for you is kind of depleting the purpose, especially if its free
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  The thing is, if any of our aussie players could run a server, it would already be there.  The aussie players we have now are very addict--..er, dedicated to the game
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> *defeating
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> I know wolverine (or whatever her regular mbc'd name is) would love to run a server
09:52 <custang> we have a server in australia though
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?  then why so many posts asking someone to host a server for you?
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> is that Dance of the Cats server still around?
09:53 <custang> because i only saw it then haha
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you sort by ping in your server browser, you get good results :)
09:54 <custang> hehe i figured that out about 3 days ago...
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> something else you might want to consider.  Some of the all-time greatest players around here have been australian (I'm thinking about subby and hang3r), and they didn't have australian servers to play on :)
09:54 <DrJoeTron> dance is gone
09:54 <DrJoeTron> so is coffeee
09:54 <DrJoeTron> :/
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> and if you ever get to play with communist, you'll be schooled on what ping actually means
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> that man rocks the grid even when he sucks, I swear
09:55 <DrJoeTron> yeah its pretty nuts when he plays
09:55 <custang> i do play good with pings like 300 - 400 though
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> allegedly he used to play two cycles at once and kick ass with both of them
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> some days I'd kill to have a ping that high, I really would
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> and I've all but lost interest in running my own server because my ping is too low on it, I can't play on it
09:55 <custang> download something then.
09:56 <DrJoeTron> or play on my server ;d
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> downloading isn't a solution because it makes the ping unstable, and sucks cpu time from my machine
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> I want the higher ping to be stable and caused outside of my home, for best play
09:57 <custang> well i gtg bye
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> go bang a kangaroo for me!
09:57 <custang> :( 
09:57 <DrJoeTron> wallaroo for me :d
09:57 <custang> haha thats funny :|
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09:58 <Lucifer_arma> I gues he's not a kangasexual
09:58 <DrJoeTron> maybe he's a closet kangasexual
09:58 <DrJoeTron> alright lets see what I can do here
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10:03 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, I'm fucked for the test tomorrow
10:04 <DrJoeTron> :(
10:04 <DrJoeTron> I finished today
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized I don't have any clue how to find the mass in R2
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> I should be able to get at least a 44 with what I feel strong about right now, we'll have to see after I finish reviewing in the *morning*
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> #night
10:09 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
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10:43 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6519 /private/z-man/clio/ (factory.hpp instantiation.hpp macros.hpp): Yay! 120 kb gone! Factory is now using function pointers instead of pointers to classes with virtual functions.
11:03 <z-man-work> WTF? Moving the implementation of virtual functions from the header to the cpp file makes everything BIGGER?
11:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6520 /private/z-man/clio/ (factory.hpp macros.hpp): Moved function pointer declarations into FlexibleFactory
11:08 <DrJoeTron> time to test what I have so far
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11:32 <wrtlprnft> wth do i have to do with dictionaries?
11:33 <wrtlprnft> if we're only using shared_ptr and variant, couldn't we just reimplement them?
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13:14 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6521 /private/z-man/clio/ (5 files): Another 35 kb down.
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13:15 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR already is our shared_ptr
13:15 <madmax|pt> hello
13:16 <z-man-work> it's just stupidly named, and requires the object to be derived from tReferencable or similar (it's an invasive smart pointer)
13:16 <z-man-work> I just noticed function pointers are valid template arguments :)
13:16 <z-man-work> time to do some evil.
13:18 <spidey> #weather 38256
13:18 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 37.0°F (6:19 AM CST on December 15, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa. 
13:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: the name sort of suggests it's a pointer that “just” controls if it is 0 before it's accessed in debug mode
13:21 <z-man-work> as I said: stupidly named
13:21 <wrtlprnft> hmm, and the tReferencable… that would mean I'd have to change the cockpit classes
13:21 <wrtlprnft> i did some experimenting and managed to implement a shared_ptr that does what we need in 40 lines
13:22 <z-man-work> Yep. But you just have to derive from it, shouldn't be too much of a big deal.
13:22 <wrtlprnft> can't just say namespace boost { typedef tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR shared_ptr; }
13:24 <wrtlprnft> oh, and can it be const?
13:25 <z-man-work> the object pointed at? No. It needs to be possible to be destroyed, and IIRC, that's impossible with const objects.
13:27 <wrtlprnft> const_cast :P
13:27 <wrtlprnft> err, no
13:27 <wrtlprnft> have the pointer object be constant, not the pointed object
13:28 <wrtlprnft> so you can give it to a function that can't change the pointed object, but once the last pointer object is dead it'll be destroyed even if the last pointer object was const
13:30 <z-man-work> Hmm, no, you need the extra level of indirection of boost::shared_ptr for that, I think, or a specialization that stores the non-const pointer, but only gives out the const. It's easily doable, but not currently done.
13:32 <wrtlprnft> make the refcount member of tReferencable mutable?
13:34 <z-man-work> No, you'd still be destroying the object from a const method. Only possible with const_cast. (Not that I would mind terribly).
13:35 <wrtlprnft> make the pointer's internal value mutable, too :P
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13:51 <z-man-work> now that only makes the pointer value mutable, not the pointed-at object :)
13:52 <z-man-work> (sorry, busy evildoing with function pointer template arguments)
13:54 <wrtlprnft> is there any implementation of boost::variant (though this was what gHudValue was originally for before it grew to the vValue it is now)?
13:54 <wrtlprnft> if we have that we can throw out boost, I think
14:13 <z-man-work> no, we don't have a variant. I'd argue that vValue should be specialized for floats anyway, though.
14:13 <z-man-work> And if anything, it should be a boost::any, that's much more powerful.
14:16 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit needs strings as well
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14:16 <DrJoeTron> hey, does anyone care to help me find the In Limbo settings from nemo's server?
14:17 <DrJoeTron> on the forums I mean
14:17 <wrtlprnft> copy them from the console?
14:17 <DrJoeTron> I tried that with shrunkland it was a complete failure
14:18 <[dlh]> DrJoeTron: sure, just a sec.
14:18 <DrJoeTron> excellent thanks a bunch :)
14:19 <[dlh]> http://harple.com/~lee/settings_custom.cfg ← there.
14:20 <DrJoeTron> oh awesome, much appreciated
14:21 <DrJoeTron> [dlh] whats your real name?
14:21 <[dlh]> daniel/lee
14:21 <DrJoeTron> on arma?
14:21 <[dlh]> nemo
14:21 <DrJoeTron> oh you!
14:22 <[dlh]> we need more good servers, hope you come up with a good combination of settings.
14:22 <DrJoeTron> I was wondering where you were :( 
14:22 <DrJoeTron> haha, I hope I do too
14:22 <DrJoeTron> thanks, I'm trying to combine Shrunkland and Limbo.
14:22 <DrJoeTron> if that means anything
14:23 <DrJoeTron> I love the idea of Rubber witha  decimal
14:23 <[dlh]> heh
14:24 <[dlh]> I've been thinking about starting a HTF server, with shrunkland-ish type settings
14:25 <[dlh]> maybe more Limbo-ish settings…
14:25 <DrJoeTron> hehe
14:25 <DrJoeTron> Im going to add a few lobster things
14:25 <DrJoeTron> like scoring. a very very small single use turbo, 
14:26 <DrJoeTron> probably even more useless than the one in the current cage 
14:26 <DrJoeTron> this is all to replace the tub
14:26 <DrJoeTron> since sumo is as dead as disco
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14:35 <DrJoeTron> why does Find in notepad suck so much today
14:36 <spidey> true or false,
14:36 <spidey> when choosing a physician , look for an emphasis on "miracle drugs"
14:36 <spidey> LOL
14:39 <DrJoeTron> alright I'm going to bed so I dont make something horrid
14:39 <DrJoeTron> thanks a bunch [dlh] I appreciate your help ;)
14:39 <[dlh]> sure, cya.
14:45 <spidey> ohhh
14:45 <spidey> george washingtons doctors killed him! ;x
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14:55  * wrtlprnft is glad 
14:55 <wrtlprnft> *legit/super duck left without saying a word
14:56 <wrtlprnft> err, happy
14:57 <spidey> lol
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15:30 <[dlh]> Argh, how does one get the flag to spawn for HTF. These are the settings I have right now → http://pastie.caboo.se/27832
15:33 <wrtlprnft> <Zone type="flag"><!-- ... --></Zone>?
15:35 <wrtlprnft> need a map, of course :)
15:42 <[dlh]> #aaconfig RESOURCE_
15:44 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig resource_
15:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT: URI the client uses to search for map files if they aren't stored locally. Better leave it alone (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/) || RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER: URI clients and the server use to search for map files if they aren't stored locally (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/)
15:45 <wrtlprnft> those are a bit misleading, though :(
15:49 <spidey> man
15:50 <spidey> this is the last time i wait till morning to do my homework
15:50 <spidey> it's 8:51am now, i started at 6am...and i just now finished 52 pages :/
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15:57 <spidey> http://www.funpic.hu/files/pics/00010/00010692.jpg
16:05 <wrtlprnft> i agree.
16:06 <spidey> lol
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16:27 <spidey> oops
16:27 <spidey> some idiot flipped the wrong breaker and cut power to the whole house
16:27  * spidey blushes
16:46 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: something else. ed is complaining about those lag credit messages, there's a lot of them. Maybe only print them in debug mode?
16:48 <z-man-work> I thought they already were debug mode only... sure, go ahead, wrap them in an #ifdef DEBUG
16:48 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
16:51 <wrtlprnft> they're in #ifdef DEBUG_LAG
16:51 <wrtlprnft> which is defined at the beginning of the file, so I'll wrap that
16:57 <spidey> wrtlprnft, what browser do you use?
16:58 <wrtlprnft> Opera/9.02 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)
16:58 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.net/  << does that display right? all the columns inline and stuff?
16:59 <wrtlprnft> as i said, too high
16:59 <spidey> screenshot?
17:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/falling-spidey.png
17:01 <wrtlprnft> the content col is 1px too high
17:01 <spidey> hm
17:02 <wrtlprnft> and the whole thing is too hight, too
17:03 <spidey> i tihnk i know what it is
17:03 <spidey> i used a hack for the right column instead of using margin: 10px 0 10px 175px;
17:04 <spidey> maybe not o.O
17:09 <spidey> how about now?
17:10 <[dlh]> spidey: you know you can download opera for windows, right :)
17:11 <spidey> hm
17:12 <spidey> fixed :D
17:13 <spidey> <yes i installed opera> ;x
17:14 <spidey> now
17:14 <spidey> i'ma change res to 800x600 , brb
17:17 <wrtlprnft> same pos now
17:17 <wrtlprnft> still too high
17:17 <spidey> ?
17:18 <spidey> o
17:18 <spidey> i had to use a zoom thingy to see
17:18 <spidey> heh
17:19 <wrtlprnft> and if you put stuff into the content thing it grows over the sides
17:19 <spidey> ?
17:20 <spidey> all mine are like that, i just <br> the line when it gets to long
17:22 <wrtlprnft> no, it's longer than the sidebars
17:24 <spidey> hmm
17:24 <spidey> i don't understand...
17:28 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/falling-spidey2.png
17:28 <spidey> The requested URL /falling-spidey2.png was not found on this server.
17:28 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/falling-spidey1.png
17:28 <spidey> oh
17:28 <spidey> that's simple
17:28 <spidey> sec
17:29 <wrtlprnft> noooooooooooooooooo
17:29 <wrtlprnft> noooooooooooooooooo
17:29 <wrtlprnft> noooooooooooooooooo
17:29 <spidey> ?
17:29 <spidey> overflow: auto;
17:29 <spidey> fixes that
17:31 <wrtlprnft> grrrrrrrrr
17:31 <wrtlprnft> stupid X11
17:31 <spidey> ?
17:31 <wrtlprnft> the keyword always stops working if i press alt + tab + ^^
17:31 <spidey> heh
17:31 <wrtlprnft> i copy and pasted the nooooo together
17:32 <wrtlprnft> and no, overflow: auto is even uglier
17:32 <wrtlprnft> i already have to scroll to see the entire page, w/ overflow:auto i'd have a scrollbar in a scrollbar
17:33 <spidey> well
17:33 <spidey> i'll change it to x768
17:34 <spidey> nut if i got any lower it'll look horrible in bigger resolutions
17:34 <spidey> s/nut/but
17:34 <wrtlprnft> what about you make it fluid?
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17:35 <wrtlprnft> that would be awfully easy
17:35 <spidey> i can't make percents and pixels work together
17:35 <spidey> i always fuck it up
17:35 <wrtlprnft> don't use pixels
17:35 <wrtlprnft> and i don't see a use for percents either
17:35 <spidey> ?
17:36 <wrtlprnft> the left and right are floats with an em width and borders
17:36 <wrtlprnft> and the content is a normal box with left and right margins which are a bit more than the width of the left and right bars
17:36 <spidey> hm
17:36 <wrtlprnft> that's it.
17:36 <wrtlprnft> no width on the content.
17:37 <spidey> why does width matter?
17:37 <spidey> it's height causing it
17:37 <spidey> even in 800x600 width is fine
17:38 <spidey> i have to go shower, my last 2 test for this semester are in 30 minutes, i'll fix it when i get home
17:38 <wrtlprnft> well, at high resolutions it'll look really ugly
17:38 <wrtlprnft> especially since you used pixels, not ems
17:52 <spidey> wel
17:52 <spidey> well
17:54 <spidey> i "should" only have to change the container
17:54 <spidey> well, not really
17:54 <spidey> container doesn't have a height, so i only have to change the columns
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18:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
18:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #evening
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20:23 <wrtlprnft> s3d anyone?
20:23 <wrtlprnft> in some 10 minutes, have to do something else before
20:23 <wrtlprnft> spidey: Lucifer_arma: [dlh]: DrJoeTron?
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20:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrrmm
20:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone know about cracking rar archives?
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20:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or where to get stargate atlantis s03e14 not in a pw protected rar archive?
21:08 <spidey> woot!
21:08 <spidey> i have
21:08 <spidey> 4 100's and a 94 and a 76
21:08 <spidey> :D:D:D
21:09 <spidey> as my first semester adverage!
21:09 <spidey> and by our scale a 93 is a A so i got 5 A's and a D ;x
21:13 <spidey> #last --from wrtlprnft --with em --nolimit
21:13 <armabot> spidey: [17:41:52] <wrtlprnft> especially since you used pixels, not ems, [17:39:10] <wrtlprnft> the left and right are floats with an em width and borders, [16:49:58] <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: something else. ed is complaining about those lag credit messages, there's a lot of them. Maybe only print them in debug mode?, [14:20:12] <wrtlprnft> copy them from the console?, [13:57:17] <wrtlprnft> is there any (8 more messages)
21:14 <spidey> hmm
21:18 <wrtlprnft> what's the 76?
21:18 <spidey> pre-algebra
21:19 <spidey> only reason
21:19 <spidey> is because i decided to keep a 65
21:19 <spidey> instead of retest
21:19 <spidey> and i only had 2 pre algebra books this semester
21:19 <spidey> i made a 88 or something on the first one
21:21 <wrtlprnft> pre algebra?
21:21 <wrtlprnft> that's like stuff that doesn't have variables yet?
21:21 <spidey> hm
21:21 <spidey> i guess
21:22 <spidey> gimme a example
21:23 <wrtlprnft> you give me an expample of what you're doing?
21:23 <spidey> well
21:23 <spidey> different things
21:24 <spidey> like -somethingx * 4 / x + 5
21:24 <wrtlprnft> -3*x*x + 10x + 42 = 0 ← that would be algebra
21:24 <spidey> yea
21:24 <spidey> i'm doing that
21:24 <wrtlprnft> then why is it called pre algebra?
21:24 <spidey> dunno
21:24 <spidey> because it's only basics?
21:25 <spidey> or something
21:25 <wrtlprnft> pre calculus is not calculus, anyways
21:25 <wrtlprnft> ie, you're not deriving anything
21:25 <spidey> well
21:25 <wrtlprnft> * -,
21:25 <spidey> i guess it makes algebra easy
21:25 <spidey> if you learn some of it in pre algebra
21:25 <spidey> easier*
21:26 <wrtlprnft> do you have any x²?
21:26 <spidey> well
21:26 <spidey> i would tell you
21:27 <spidey> but all i see is x and A with a line over itt
21:27 <spidey> then a small circle type thing
21:27 <spidey> oh
21:27 <spidey> A with a 2 exponent
21:27 <spidey> A has a line over it
21:28 <wrtlprnft> a?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> i mean x*x
21:28 <spidey> oh
21:29 <spidey> no, not yet
21:29 <spidey> but isn't that like
21:29 <spidey> 1x
21:29 <spidey> ?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> err, no
21:29 <wrtlprnft> definitely no quadratic equations
21:29 <spidey> 1heh
21:29 <spidey> we mainly have things like
21:30 <spidey> 3a(-5b)  or -5x / 4 - x + -3
21:30 <wrtlprnft> i guess you'll see that soon enough →x = (-b - √(b²-4*a*b))/2/a
21:30 <spidey> once again
21:30 <spidey> i see alot of ASCII :p
21:30 <wrtlprnft> umm, don't you need an equeal sign somewhere?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> get a client capable of utf8!
21:31 <spidey> no?
21:31 <spidey> it's
21:31 <spidey> 'er
21:31 <spidey> i done forgot
21:31 <spidey> oh
21:31 <spidey> adding like signs?
21:31 <spidey> or something..
21:31 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/spideyextra.png
21:32 <spidey> nop
21:32 <spidey> don't have that ;p
21:32 <wrtlprnft> that's one of the only forumulas I ever had to really learn
21:33 <wrtlprnft> that and these:
21:33 <wrtlprnft> (a+b)*(a+b) = a*a + 2*a*b + b*b
21:33 <wrtlprnft> (a-b)*(a-b) = a*a - 2*a*b + b*b
21:33 <wrtlprnft> (a-b)*(a+b) = a*a - b*b
21:34 <spidey> o.o
21:34 <wrtlprnft> actually, i wonder if google can do this:
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #g power / time
21:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:34 <wrtlprnft> nope
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 W / 1 s
21:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (1 watt) / (1 second) = 1 m^(2) kg / s^(4)
21:35 <wrtlprnft> actually, that's stupid
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #g power  time
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #g power * time
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 W * 1 s
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (1 watt) * 1 second = 1 joule
21:35 <wrtlprnft> can only do units :(
21:36 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 MW * 1 hour / 1 month
21:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((1 MW) * (1 hour)) / (1 month) = 1,368.95463 watts
21:36  * wrtlprnft loves that useless unit MWH/month
21:43 <spidey> wow..
21:43 <spidey> 1em is fucking huge
21:43 <wrtlprnft> it's yourfont size
21:43 <spidey> omg
21:43 <spidey> i changed font-size to 11em
21:43 <spidey> now it takes the whole screen
21:44 <wrtlprnft> 1 em is the default of your browser
21:44 <wrtlprnft> 11 em is 11 times that size
21:44 <spidey> 1em is still huge
21:44 <madmax|pt> em? oO
21:45 <wrtlprnft> then use less than 1em
21:45 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: CSS uni
21:45 <wrtlprnft> t
21:47 <spidey> http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/1589/1emhq0.gif
21:52 <spidey> ok so
21:52 <spidey> why doesn't top: work when i use em
21:52 <spidey> but it doesn't when i use px
21:53 <spidey> ok, maybe it don't o.o
21:53 <wrtlprnft> note that ems are always relative to the font size of the element
21:54 <wrtlprnft> so on an element with half the font size 1 em is half as much
21:54 <spidey> i got font size at .9
21:54 <spidey> that's about 11px
21:55 <spidey> hm
21:56 <spidey> ok
21:56 <spidey> no more em's
21:56 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:57 <spidey> i'm doing something wrong...
21:57 <spidey> not sure what =/
21:57 <wrtlprnft> what's going wrong?
21:58 <spidey> wow
21:58 <spidey> that's gay
21:58 <spidey> i had         border: 1px solid #484646;  in html,body {}
21:58 <spidey> and it was causing it not to work >.>
21:58 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:59 <spidey> i removed it from it, and it's working now
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> totally homosexual
22:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:06 <wrtlprnft> what/who is?
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> spidey
22:06 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
22:07 <wrtlprnft> are you two together?
22:07  * Lucifer_arma notes the sign of the radical in the quadratic formula is +/-, not just -
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> nah, my wife doesn't like spidey
22:07 <wrtlprnft> yeah, forgot
22:07 <spidey> what did i do to her :(
22:07 <wrtlprnft> i'd know it, just wrote it down the wrong way
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> me?
22:08 <spidey> one good thing about luke is
22:08 <wrtlprnft> and i would probably have been too lazy to find my ± key
22:08 <spidey> his wife sounds hot
22:08 <spidey> lol
22:08 <luke-jr|work> that lukes are good things
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> also, "deriving" is not "taking the derivative"  :)
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> the gerund for that is "differentiating"
22:08 <wrtlprnft> that's a language problem
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> minor thing, but when you derive something, that means you're using mathematical tools to go from a primitive concept to a more advanced concept
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> it is, imo, a very serious language problem
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> half the problem in calc 1 seems to be figuring out that "taking the derivative" is "differentiating" :)
22:09 <wrtlprnft> if i talk about math i usually do it in german
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> I've heard people say "derivating" instead
22:10 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't take the derivative of anything while i was in canada
22:10 <wrtlprnft> derivativing :P
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I know.  but that's actually independent of the problem.  Native english speakers with no second language have the problem.
22:10  * wrtlprnft is just noting that noone actually told him that yet
22:11 <wrtlprnft> so thanks :)
22:11  * Lucifer_arma notes nobody says it in calc 1 either :)
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> you have to read between the lines to figure it out.  You know you got it right when your teacher finally understands you.  :)
22:11 <wrtlprnft> aah, i like german :) there it's „ableiten“ for taking the derivative and “Ableitung„ for the derivative itself
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, when my calc 1 teacher first said "differentiable" in class, everyone got confused because before that he'd only ever said "taking the derivative"
22:12 <wrtlprnft> is integrating just as wrong or do you have to say, “taking the integral”
22:12 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> and "can or can't take the derivative", so "differentiable" was new.
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> integrating is right.  :/
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect the problem is ultimately derived from the leibnitz/newton thing.  So I'd expect German not to have the problem since Leibnitz' conventions and language were the ones adopted,
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> and then translated into english.
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> Where english already used "deriving" for something else, and in math you can't have the same word meaning two different things.  That's just not allowed.
22:13 <wrtlprnft> well, „Ableitung“ means something else, too
22:14 <wrtlprnft> but that's not related to math
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> I want someone who's a good artist to create a web comic about a superhero called the Integrator, and use the comic to teach math
22:15 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but here's a catch.  When you say something like "the part is integral to how it works", you accent the middle syllable
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> so intEGral, right?
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> but when you talk about an integral, you accent the first syllable.  INTegral
22:16 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> if you say inTEGral when you mean INTegral, people get confused
22:17 <wrtlprnft> as i said, i never talked about that stuff in english :P
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> no wonder americans have so much trouble with math, the language is all fucked up :/
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> (that's ignoring the base problem that geeky things are stigmata here)
22:17 <wrtlprnft> many germans are having math trouble, don't worry
22:19 <wrtlprnft> now, how are you supposed to implement an efficient mergesort implementation without using pointers?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, you don't?
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> any particular reason you can't use pointers?
22:20 <wrtlprnft> this compuuter science course sucks. just because my teacher has long forgotten how a pointer works i can't use them in a test
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> ack, that really does suck
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> because by definition there's no such thing as an efficient sort without pointers
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> which is one of the reasons interpreted languages use references for variable copying and shit anyway
22:21 <wrtlprnft> not all do
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> he's asking you to change a spare tire but only letting you use a crescent wrench
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> copy-on-write is the most common model I've seen, which php and python both use :)
22:21 <wrtlprnft> didn't know PHP used it
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, ironically, if you pass by reference in php, you take a slight performance hit compared to just passing a copy, because the original variable is referenced without ref-counting it
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> and the copy is only done when you change the copy
22:22 <wrtlprnft> and then he wants me to comment on every part of the program and describe every variable
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> and then the copy isn't really done, it's evaluated nd the new value stored.  So if you pass by reference, you cause the interpreter to ref-count, which adds overhead
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, the last part is reasonable.  :)
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> but sorting without pointers, er, only reasonable if you haven't covered pointers in class because you're not supposed to know about them
22:23 <wrtlprnft> well, the rest of the class doesn't
22:23 <wrtlprnft> you know, what I'm writing is so trivial I wouldn't bother to add even a single comment
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd want to do it by creating an array and copying the two arrays into it, then just do any given sort
22:24 <wrtlprnft> use nice names for vars and functions, but no comments
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> you know, one of the reasons I won't take a CS degree and will avoid taking CS classes is so I don't have the problem you've got now :)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> well, i hope I'll get a reasonable mark
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> I could take any given science/math/engineering degree and have the same or better employment options as I would with a CS degree :)
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you can't use pointers, then even a binary sort probably won't do
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> but you could approach it with a binary sort
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> first scan for min/max values
22:27 <pavelo> how about using array of indexes
22:27 <wrtlprnft> oh, and did i ever mention that writing a program on paper sucks?
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> you're writing it on paper!?!?!?
22:27 <wrtlprnft> yeap
22:27 <wrtlprnft> *yep
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> is it too late to drop the class and take a different professor?
22:28 <wrtlprnft> if i was writing it on a computer i could just compile him and show the teacher that it works
22:28 <wrtlprnft> i could drop it, but I'm still hoping for a usuable mark, and this is not university
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, yes, and if I were the teacher, compiling and running would be a requirement of the assignment...
22:28 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
22:28 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Southall Subdivision, Raleigh, North Carolina is 64.2°F (4:28 PM EST on December 15, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa. 
22:28 <wrtlprnft> ooooh, but the cheating possibilities!
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> aren't any different than writing it on paper
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> you know as well as I do that no two programmers will ever look as close as cheating papers look in code
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> unless they're surgically joined at the neck or something
22:29 <wrtlprnft> no, cheating = write it before and just copy it
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> you mean write it now and copy it off a usb stick or something?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> something like that
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> why is the test writing a program anyway?  Shouldn't it be test questions asking about programming concepts and syntactical gotchas, with a final project program along with it that you've worked on for a few weeks?
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> has this guy even seen code written after 1984?
22:31 <wrtlprnft> umm, err
22:31 <wrtlprnft> we aren't even fixed on a programming language
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> fine, do it in mindfuck
22:31 <wrtlprnft> brainfuck?
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> do it in python where it doesn't matter :)
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, brainfuck
22:31 <wrtlprnft> or better in whitespace
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> there ya go
22:32 <wrtlprnft> well, i mentioned that and he said he wanted to be able to read it
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> fine, do it in english :)
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> or german
22:32 <wrtlprnft> variable names WILL be in english
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> whatever he can read
22:32 <wrtlprnft> no, he hasn't seen any recent code
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> then why is he teaching a programming class?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> umm
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> lemme guess, he's the department head?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> no
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> department head's brother/husband/father/whatever?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> see, computer science is a fairly new subject
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> not *that* new.  I took programming classes in high school, and that school had offered them for several years before I took 'em
22:34 <wrtlprnft> anyways, before it was purely a matter of choice and did't cound for marks
22:34 <wrtlprnft> at least here
22:34 <wrtlprnft> so now that it's an actual course they just take math teachers and tell them to teach programming
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> ?  But, but... Germany's been producing talented game developers since I was a kid!
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> but...but....math teachers can't fucking program!
22:35 <wrtlprnft> if you're talented you have your own ways of learning it
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> my CS teacher in high school was a math teacher who knew he couldn't program, so he depended on the book and the 2-3 talented kids in every class to teach the class
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> he lectured for the first couple of weeks, long enough to figure out who the talented kids were, and then basically turned lecturing over to them
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> so even I got stuck lecturing, heh
22:36 <wrtlprnft> i actually took a course ages ago, where we started with all the VB crap.
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> he still gave assignments, but they came out of the book.
22:36 <wrtlprnft> but that wasn't in school
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, it was pascal.  VB didn't exist back then.  Neither did Java, for that matter.
22:37 <wrtlprnft> and that guy actually KNOWS what he's talking about
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> structured programming was in, object-oriented was still a fringe concept
22:38 <wrtlprnft> he's in a 4-man company that's doing all sorts ofstuff
22:38 <madmax|pt> is Calc similar/same as Mathematical Analysis?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> probably not
22:38 <pavelo> its the same thing
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> maybe the translation to english makes it read differently :)
22:39 <madmax|pt> Calc is in high school or in college?
22:39 <pavelo> calculus== mathematical anallysis
22:39 <madmax|pt> I see
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, here, it depends.  Some high schools have it, some do a dual-credit deal with a community college to offer it
22:39 <[dlh]> I took calc in high school. Depends, though.
22:39 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_analysis
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh.  I don't know, reads like it requires calculus
22:40 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> rather than being the samet hing, but I could see calculus being taught along the way
22:41 <wrtlprnft> like calculus is a subset of it
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> see, the name "Mathematical analysis" by itself indicates teaching a type of reasoning, but the calculus class I took was a skills class
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, the calculus classes I've taken, anyway, and analysis is kind of a byproduct of the skills taught, but the focus is on skills
22:41 <pavelo> we have a subject called math analysis, and its all about derivating and itegrating.....
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, but does it focus on what those things mean and/or require you to already know them, or does it focus on how to do it?
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> you can't do either of those things without the other (i.e. you have to teach some meaning with the how-to in order for the student to understand)
22:42 <Lucifer_arma> but you can definitely place the emphasis in different places
22:42 <pavelo> on how to do it i guess: you start with limits
22:43 <pavelo> then do derivatives..... then you integrate
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> is there a presumption that you already know what a limit is?
22:43 <pavelo> no
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> could just be education-speak
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> you know, fancify the course title
22:44 <pavelo> i think its called differently in different languages
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, what's the major?  Does that class substitue for a calc 1 class if you're on a math track compared to say an engineering or science track?
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> like the difference between algebra (a skills class) and linear algebra (a highly theoretical class)
22:45 <wrtlprnft> isn't linear algebra terribly boring and easy?
22:45 <pavelo> now im not sure i understand the diff between a skills and theoretical class
22:45 <DrJoeTron> #serverdetails Lobster Tub
22:45 <armabot> DrJoeTron: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “lobster tub” at the moment, sorry.
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i mean, what can you actually do w/o squares?
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think linear algebra depends on calculus, so it's not quite a perfect comparison
22:45 <DrJoeTron> it HAS to be on port 4534 right?
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> no joe, it doesn't
22:46 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: 4534 to 4540
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> but if you just now started the server, you might hae to wait some hours before every master knows about it
22:46 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails tub
22:46 <DrJoeTron> and it will show up on the master server list?
22:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “tub” at the moment, sorry.
22:46 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: what's the IP?
22:47 <DrJoeTron> just making sure, because I;m running whats going to be the tub on my pc and Lobster cage is running on the other machine
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok pavelo, here's the difference the way I see it
22:47 <DrJoeTron>
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> in my calc 1 class, we learned what a limit was (look at the graph and say what number it is approaching at a point) and how to approximate it
22:48 <madmax|pt> i had linear algebra last year, and now i'm having mathematical analysis. im kind of trying to understand where 'Calc' fits in what i know. since i didnt have a class with that name.
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> then we learned that for most functions, you can just plug in the number and go and moved on to the derivative
22:48 <wrtlprnft> [2006/12/15 21:49:42] [17] Acknowledged server:
22:48 <madmax|pt> well, analysis III, one per semester
22:48 <wrtlprnft> but that's the cage
22:48 <wrtlprnft> nothing known about another server
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> in calc 3, he threw the definition of the limit at us and told us you can't find the limit using the definition, instead you find an approximation and then use the definition to prove it's right
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'd imagine in a theoretical class, you might discuss the definition of a limit, prove it, and learn about how to prove your guess is correct
22:49 <wrtlprnft> you don't HAVE to guess?
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> so, in my class we learned hwo to use it, and only as much conceptually as we needed to know to use it and move on.  Skills class.
22:49 <pavelo> well they threw the definition of a limit at us right at the start of the course
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> In another class, if I were a math major, we'd learn all about the definition, how it's derived, what it means, and so forth.  Theoretical class.
22:50 <DrJoeTron> Ill bring it up later
22:50 <pavelo> so i guess its a theoretical class
22:50 <DrJoeTron> bunch of crap just happened
22:50 <DrJoeTron> bbl
22:50 <pavelo> but you also learn how to compute limits
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: technically, if you compute the limit of x^2 as x->0 by plugging 0 into x^2, you're guessing
22:50 <pavelo> Lucifer_arma: no you dont
22:51 <wrtlprnft> nope
22:51 <pavelo> you use the fact that for every <insert fancy name here> function lim x->a f(x) == f(a)
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22:52 <Lucifer_arma> pavelo: that's a guess
22:53 <[dlh]> hey, what is that setting called that allows you go through the end of your tail.
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> to prove the answer is right, you then apply the definition of a limit to prove it
22:53 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> but until you've applied the definition to prove your answer, your answer is a guess
22:53 <[dlh]> thanks
22:53 <wrtlprnft> yw
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> now, they didn't bother to tell us that until this semester when we're trying to find the limit of a surface at a given place
22:53 <wrtlprnft> well, you can calculate 0^2
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> and that's another ballgame.  In 2 dimensions, you learn about approaching from the right and approaching from the left
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> in 3 dimensions, you have an infinite number of paths you can approach from, so it gets a lot harder to definitively state what the limit is
22:54 <wrtlprnft> now you have to prove that for any abs(a) < abs(b) abs(f(a)-0) < abs(f(b)-0)
22:54 <pavelo> no there's a thorem that says something along the lines of: if f is an elementary function and a is in D(f) then lim x->a f(x) = f(a).
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it has to be continuous on both sides of the point, curved, and some other things
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> there's one other criteria, iirc, but I'm not recalling it at the moment
22:55 <pavelo> yes, and x^2 is obviously continuous
22:56 <wrtlprnft> the only example in my mind where this wouldn't work is lim x->0 SGN(x)
22:56 <pavelo> wrtlprnft: that has no limit
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, that's what they told us in calc 1.  But in calc 3, the teacher said "that's not really true, after all."
22:56 <wrtlprnft> pavelo: yeah, but it does have a right and left limit
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> f(x) = [x]
22:56 <pavelo> well but it doesnt have a _limit_
22:57 <wrtlprnft> it has no limit but does have a value
22:57 <pavelo> function has a limit iff right limit == left limit
22:57 <pavelo> limit is not the same as value
22:57 <wrtlprnft> i know
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> so basically, what he said was "if you find a limit, what you're really saying is 'I think there's a limit, and if it is, it's this number', but until you apply the definition of a limit and prove your answer is right, it's a guess"
22:57 <wrtlprnft> there's also cases where it doesn't have a value but does have a limit :)
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> and we were all shocked
22:58 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i missed the year where limits and derivatives were introduced
22:58 <wrtlprnft> so i only know how to use them, really
22:59 <wrtlprnft> and how to figure out interesting things like lim x→0 sin(x)/x
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> 1
23:00 <wrtlprnft> yep
23:00 <wrtlprnft> there was one exercise in a test like that that noone could solve
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> l'Hopital's.  :)  I'm still thanking lackadaisical everytime I use l'Hopital's, because I was sick that day for class and lack picked up the slack for me later
23:01 <wrtlprnft> but it was lim h→0 h / (e^h + 1)
23:01 <wrtlprnft> wasn't the whole exercise, though, just the final step
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> 1 again
23:01 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:01 <pavelo> err no
23:01 <pavelo> that 1/2
23:01 <wrtlprnft> 1
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> use l'hopital's :)
23:01 <wrtlprnft> the derivative of h at 0 is 1
23:02 <pavelo> well just plug the zero in
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> the derivative of the top is 1, the derivative of the bottom is e^h
23:02 <wrtlprnft> the derivative of (e^h + 1) at 0 is 1
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> e^0 = 1
23:02 <pavelo> or was the e^h -1
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> if it had been e^(h+1), then the limit's 1/e
23:02 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: though we never heard of that rule, we were supposed to figure that out for ourselves
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  we had a section on it in the textbook.  :)
23:03 <wrtlprnft> noone did, and I only did after the test after sitting over it for another 30 mins
23:03 <wrtlprnft> but it does make sense
23:03 <pavelo> Lucifer_arma:  you cant use lhospital there
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> why not?  you have a function over a function, and it's indeterminate...
23:03 <pavelo> this function _isnt_ indeterminate
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23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.00001 / (e ^ 0.00001 + 1)
23:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.00001 / ((e^0.00001) + 1) = 4.999975 * 10^(-6)
23:04  * Lucifer_arma is looking at it again
23:04 <wrtlprnft> err
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.00001 / (e ^ 0.00001 - 1)
23:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.00001 / ((e^0.00001) - 1) = 0.999995
23:04 <wrtlprnft> oops, -1 of course
23:04 <wrtlprnft> sorry
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't use l'hopital's you get 0, because 0/anything = 0
23:04 <pavelo> thats more like it
23:05 <Super_Duck> luke "-jr" u there? 
23:05 <luke-jr|work> maybe
23:05 <wrtlprnft> eek
23:05 <Super_Duck> i hear ya makin adjsutments
23:05 <Super_Duck> can u go to armalukechat
23:06 <wrtlprnft> plop. everyone's pretending to be away?
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23:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's not indeterminate :)
23:10  * Lucifer_arma stepped out to smoke and had to chat with his wife
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> I still get 0 for the limit thataway, then.
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, why couldn't I find the antiderivative of sqrt(y^2 + 1) ?
23:10 <pavelo> yes its zero
23:10 <wrtlprnft> for h / (e^h - 1)?
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's the indeterminate, for the typod one
23:11 <wrtlprnft> that's 1 :)
23:11 <pavelo> dont know what came into me....
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, why is the typod one 1?
23:11 <wrtlprnft> what's a “typod one”?
23:11 <Vanhayes> wrong?
23:12 <pavelo> whats the antiderivative ?
23:12 <wrtlprnft> integral function?
23:13 <wrtlprnft> or area function
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's 0.  I just threw it up in KmPlot, and it clearly goes through the origin at that point
23:13 <madmax|pt> integral function? or integral of?
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I was taking a double integral, and the function in the middle was the sqrt one I gave
23:16 <pavelo> well for the integral of sqrt(x^2+1) you would probably have to you trigonometrric substitution
23:16 <pavelo> *use
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> he'd promised us no trig substitution.  Said the worst we could expect was a u substitution
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> but a u substitution didn't work
23:17 <wrtlprnft> well, my formula collections has something on that
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> I considered a trig sub, but nothing came to mind.  He also said we wouldn't have to do parts, so I didn't try parts even though I'm thinking parts might have gotten it
23:17 <pavelo> well with trig subst its quite easy, just use x=tan(t)
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> right, then you wind up with sec(t) :)
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe
23:18  * Lucifer_arma is a little foggy right now anyway
23:18 <wrtlprnft> integral of sqrt(a² + x²) = x/2*sqrt(a² + x²) + a²/2*ln(x + sqrt(a² + x²)) + C
23:18 <wrtlprnft> pretty eh?
23:18 <pavelo> whats a sec ? 
23:18 <pavelo> 1/cos ?
23:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:19 <pavelo> then thats the way to go
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect I missed something about the problem
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think there was supposed to end up with a y in front of it, which would have made a u substitution work
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> but I was confident in how I set up the double integral, or for some reason didn't think I needed to change the iteration
23:20  * Lucifer_arma thinks he bombed the test, but it shouldn't kill his grade which was a solid B, and will probably end up a shaky low B, but it was the last test of the class
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> but I talked to him after the test, and he might be more lenient now that he knows I'm losing my job around christmastime, and he is santa claus, after all
23:21 <wrtlprnft> not that nice.
23:22 <luke-jr|work> hm
23:22 <luke-jr|work> 47 packets transmitted, 22 received, 53% packet loss, time 45993ms
23:22 <luke-jr|work> think that's usable?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> sure
23:23 <wrtlprnft> pulled the network cable halfway through the ping?
23:23  * luke-jr|work hopes so
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't mind waiting 60 seconds for every keystroke you type in a telnet session to show up
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> for anything else, it's probably not usable at all
23:23  * luke-jr|work uses ssh :p
23:23 <luke-jr|work> wrtlprnft: no
23:23 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: I'd hope TCP works with retrying
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, you could be waiting many minutes for each keystroke, then.  :)
23:23 <luke-jr|work> hm
23:23 <luke-jr|work> better than nothing? :p
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it'll work, but with 53% packet loss, that means it'll have to retry at least twice for every packet you send
23:24 <wrtlprnft> start an arma server on that machine!
23:24 <luke-jr|work> heh, I get them out of order too
23:24 <luke-jr|work> and dupes
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, jonathan can play on it
23:24 <wrtlprnft> :D
23:24 <luke-jr|work> 100 packets transmitted, 44 received, +6 duplicates, 56% packet loss, time 99002ms
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, is it run through an echo pedal?
23:25 <luke-jr|work> what's that?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> what computer is this, anyway?  It can't be your home connection, or you wouldn't be able to talk here
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe it can, I just realized you're at work
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> echo pedal = guitar effects pedal (actually there's versions for all sorts of uses)
23:25 <luke-jr|work> it's a tunnel
23:26 <luke-jr|work> 100 packets transmitted, 51 received, +1 duplicates, 49% packet loss, time 10871ms
23:26 <luke-jr|work> it works better at interval 0.1
23:26 <luke-jr|work> 100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 1572ms
23:26 <luke-jr|work> interval 0.01
23:26 <luke-jr|work> much nicer
23:26 <luke-jr|work> heck, they're even in order :)
23:27 <wrtlprnft> how boring.
23:27 <luke-jr|work> darn, it stopped being so nice
23:27 <luke-jr|work> the advantage is
23:28 <luke-jr|work> this tunnel should work w/o paying for the wifi
23:28 <luke-jr|work> :p
23:28 <wrtlprnft> where is that tunnel leading to? mars?
23:28 <luke-jr|work> my home pc
23:28 <luke-jr|work> over DNS
23:28 <wrtlprnft> no, mars would be ~40 minutes of lag
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23:29 <luke-jr|work> lots of TXT lookups :)
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23:37 <luke-jr|work> symmetry...
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23:51 <Lucifer_arma> symmetry...
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> lots of TXT lookups :)
23:51 <wrtlprnft> #night thgin#
23:51 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:51 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: haha
23:52 <luke-jr|work> it seems to work best when upload and download are the same bitrate
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