Log from 2006-12-01:
--- Day changed Fri Dec 01 2006
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> I found it easiest to grab the mortar (which was 30x30), select all, copy, and have snap-to-grid enabled when I pasted
00:00 <Your_mom_arma> i did the same
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> then it snaps right into the square quite nicely :)
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> now we need a real icbm graphic :)
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose I could use just the cruise missile graphic with the nuke symbol on it for the tactical nuclear missile, and then the nuclear missile as icbm (which is as it is now), and then stick the nuke symbol on it to make it a nuke
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01:56  * Your_mom_arma coughs
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02:14 <spidey> luci ping :p
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02:23 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:23 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 17.6°F (6:54 PM CST on November 30, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.8°F. Windchill: 3.2°F. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa. 
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02:44 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: pong
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03:03 <MaZuffeR> http://jayisgames.com/ <-- arma review, there's probably gonna be more newbies than normally the next days
03:04 <spidey> ph34r TEH l33t newbies and 2 day clans
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ping
03:06 <spidey> pong
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> game's on.  :)  I'm still present somewhat intermittently, though.
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> but you're safe to join without waiting hours for a turn
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> if you and luke-jr_ (hi there!) want to join, we can go to a 6-8 minute timeout
03:10 <spidey> same
03:10 <spidey> i'm like
03:10 <spidey> playing two games
03:10 <spidey> heh
03:10 <spidey> expect 5-6 minute turns =/
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03:46 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:46 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 17.6°F (7:54 PM CST on November 30, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.8°F. Windchill: 3.2°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa. 
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03:46 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
03:46 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 27.7°F (8:47 PM CST on November 30, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 17.6°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa.  Freeze warning in effect until 10 am CST Friday... 
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04:04 <GodTodd> quitter...
04:12 <Compn> ?
04:12 <Compn> you are playing?
04:12 <GodTodd> playing what?
04:13 <Compn> hnm
04:13 <Compn> nm
04:14 <GodTodd> oh...i forgot...*i'm* too stupid to talk to humans...
04:15 <ghableska> it's alright, most of us are :P
04:16 <GodTodd> yeah...sometimes i forget myself and actually say stuff
04:17 <ghableska> *gasP*
04:17 <GodTodd> i apologize to all the humans here who are offended by my too-vocal presence ;)
04:17 <ghableska> heh :)
04:17 <GodTodd> i also forgot the number one rule for the channel
04:17 <GodTodd> #joke
04:17 <armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
04:18 <ghableska> ha ha ha...
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05:00 <ghableska> #night
05:00 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:04 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> server didn't crash, did it?
05:05 <spidey> no
05:05 <spidey> lol
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05:59 <Lucifer_arma> The Japanese are no more!
05:59 <spidey> nothing to brag about, it's only luke..
06:00 <luke-jr__> ...
06:00 <luke-jr__> you mean it's only an AI
06:01 <spidey> you started it
06:01 <spidey> incase you didn't notice, i /awayed mine to
06:01 <luke-jr__> irrelevant
06:01 <spidey> and since i started it
06:01 <spidey> it DID GOOD
06:02 <spidey> you just suck
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:02 <spidey> hell
06:02 <luke-jr__> 1) I /away'd earlier
06:02 <spidey> when i came back
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I did hit it really fucking hard
06:02 <luke-jr__> 2) you had allies
06:02 <spidey> bullshit
06:02 <spidey> i'm at war with all but 3 AI's
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> luke, the whole reason I went after Japan was because it was allied to my enemy and too close to me, I had to secure that corner
06:02 <luke-jr__> Japan didn't have any allies...
06:02 <spidey> i've been at war with all but 4 untill i backstabbed that stupid ai that got me into the all AI war and didn't help me
06:02 <spidey> >.>
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm getting suspicious of the sioux
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> they're making threatening moves in my direction, and I still haven't taken out all the islands around me
06:03 <luke-jr__> spidey: either stfu or help w/ setup MergedFB
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> there's still two islands adjacent to mine that are hostile
06:03 <spidey> ..
06:03 <spidey> this has to do with ogame, not mergedfb
06:04 <spidey> arf
06:04 <spidey> freeciv
06:04 <luke-jr__> stfu then
06:04 <spidey> baka
06:04 <spidey> BAKA
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> CACA!
06:04 <spidey> TABAKA!
06:06 <spidey> luke-jr__, you stfu
06:06 <spidey> noob ;x
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06:17 <Durka> #lastseen whatup
06:17 <Durka> ...
06:17 <armabot> Durka: ~*wHaTuP*~ has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 days 8 hours 44 minutes ago.
06:17 <Durka> #lastseen dwh
06:18 <armabot> Durka: timed out
06:19 <Durka> thank god :)
06:32 <Durka> #lastseen belenus
06:32 <armabot> Durka: belenus has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 8 hours 9 minutes ago.
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06:45 <spidey> #lastseen stfu
06:46 <armabot> spidey: timed out
06:53 <spidey> argh
06:53 <spidey> i downloaded 2.8.2
06:53 <spidey> HOW WILL I LIVE WITHOUT MY COCKPIT/MAP :<
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07:22 <wrtlprnft> spidey: then don't download that old crap? :P
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07:27 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60016
07:27 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Des Plaines, IL is 26.0°F. Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 77%. Wind: N at 12 mph (19 km/h).
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07:45 <Durka> SPIDEY!
07:45 <Durka> §p¡de¥ |mߢ|
07:45 <wrtlprnft> o_O
07:49 <Durka> spidey wanted me to send him that to put in his user.cfg :)
07:51 <wrtlprnft> §πıÐ∈¥ ¦Mߢ¦ :P
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> alright, I'm just about bored with this game now
07:53 <SuPeRTaRD> #cnn 78758
07:53 <armabot> SuPeRTaRD: The current temperature in Austin, TX is 36.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Wind: NW at 8 mph (13 km/h).
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I landed an air transport in a city carrying 8 howitzers, and the same turn I took 6 cities, leaving the ai with just one on the island
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> I finally hit the end of range on the icbms, so now it takes two turns to deliver one to target :/
07:55  * Lucifer_arma needs to add nuclear icbms to his ruleset.  We'll have the Cold War in freeciv!
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> only with the folks around here, that just guarantees the game will end with a cratered cinder of a planet
07:55 <spidey> omfg
07:56 <spidey> tron
07:56 <spidey> fucked
07:56  * Durka Lucifer_amra
07:56 <spidey> my resolution up
07:56  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
07:56 <spidey> i'm seeing triples man
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> I see 2020's here impersonating spidey again
07:56 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: 
07:56  * Durka wrtlprnft 
07:56  * Durka rolfmao @ wrtlpwned
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
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07:57 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
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07:58 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
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07:59 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
07:59 <spidey> dude
07:59 <spidey> i think i found a bug....
08:00 <spidey> tron totally fucked my resolution :/
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> why does every clan say they're well-respected in tron?
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> are there any such clans, anyway?
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> acceptance != respect!
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:00 <spidey> respect != give a siht
08:00 <spidey> xD
08:01 <spidey> #list alias
08:01 <armabot> spidey: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, date, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, lastseen, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, piong, poing, pong, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, serverdetails, serverinfo, svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, and wikipedia
08:01 <luke-jr_> #g 433x270 mm in inch
08:01 <armabot> luke-jr_: 433 x 270 millimeters = 4,602.75591 inch
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:01 <spidey> luke-jr_, stfu
08:01 <luke-jr_> dumb google
08:01 <luke-jr_> #g 433 mm in inch
08:01 <armabot> luke-jr_: 433 millimeters = 17.0472441 inch
08:01 <luke-jr_> #g 270 mm in inch
08:01 <armabot> luke-jr_: 270 millimeters = 10.6299213 inch
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:01 <spidey> luke-jr_, not dumb google
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> dumb luke-jr_ (hi there!) (see)
08:02 <spidey> g 433 mm x 270 mm in in
08:02 <spidey> #g 433 mm x 270 mm in in
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> now dumb spidey
08:02 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:02 <spidey> my pound key is broke
08:02 <spidey> =/
08:02 <spidey> i can only use right shift for it >.>
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> I guess you'll have to $ your sausage instead
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:02 <spidey> LOL
08:03 <spidey> i want one of those :<
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> ?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:03 <luke-jr_> #g 312 mm in inch
08:03 <armabot> luke-jr_: 312 millimeters = 12.2834646 inch
08:03  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:03 <luke-jr_> hm
08:03 <luke-jr_> IRC needs to not use both monitors :p
08:03 <luke-jr_> #g 234 mm in inch
08:03 <armabot> luke-jr_: 234 millimeters = 9.21259843 inch
08:04  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:04  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:04  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:04  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:04  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:04  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:04  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:04 <Durka> HI LUCI!
08:04 <spidey> S
08:04 <spidey> T
08:04 <spidey> F
08:04 <spidey> U
08:04 <Durka> L
08:04 <Durka> O
08:04 <Durka> L
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> the nice thing about this, is that Durka will set there and keep responding while I can go smoke
08:05 <Durka> &nbsp;
08:05 <Durka> O
08:05 <Durka> K
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:05  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
08:05  * Lucifer_arma considers rewriting in python and using random phrases instead
08:05 <Durka> Lucifer: What do you want?
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: What do you want?
08:05 <Durka> Lucifer: What do you want?
08:06 <luke-jr_> hmm
08:06 <luke-jr_> left is 104x111 PPI, and right is 99 PPI
08:06 <Durka> Lucifer: Durka: What do I want?
08:07 <spidey> spidey talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 742 times!
08:07 <spidey> Another lonely one was wrtlprnft, who managed to hit 607 times.
08:07 <spidey> ....
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Kaufman's First Law of Party Physics:
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> 	Population density is inversely proportional
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> 	to the square of the distance from the keg.
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: 	The FIELD GUIDE to NORTH AMERICAN MALES
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> SPECIES:	Cranial Males
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> SUBSPECIES:	The Hacker (homo computatis)
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> Description:
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	Gangly and frail, the hacker has a high forehead and thinning hair.
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	Head disproportionately large and crooked forward, complexion wan and
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	sightly gray from CRT illumination.  He has heavy black-rimmed glasses
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	and a look of intense concentration, which may be due to a software
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	problem or to a pork-and-bean breakfast.
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> Feathering:
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	HOMO COMPUTATIS saw a Brylcreem ad fifteen years ago and believed it.
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	Consequently, crest is greased down, except for the cowlick.
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> Song:
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	A rather plaintive "Is it up?"
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: #if _FP_W_TYPE_SIZE < 64
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> #error "Only stud muffins allowed, schmuck."
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> #endif
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 	-- linux/arch/sparc64/quad.c
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna get booted for this
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Your lucky color has faded.
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Man has never reconciled himself to the ten commandments.
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Mater artium necessitas.
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> 	[Necessity is the mother of invention].
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: 	The defense attorney was hammering away at the plaintiff:
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> "You claim," he jeered, "that my client came at you with a broken bottle
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> in his hand.  But is it not true, that you had something in YOUR hand?"
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> 	"Yes," the man admitted, "his wife. Very charming, of course,
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> but not much good in a fight."
08:10 <spidey> ..
08:10 <DrJoeTron> ping
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> hey joe
08:11 <DrJoeTron> hey there
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: No people are all bad, just as none are all good.
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> Tecumseh, (Shawnee) to his nephew Spemica Lawba 1790
08:11 <spidey> sleep time
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: The world really isn't any worse.  It's just that the news coverage
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> is so much better.
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: You work very hard.  Don't try to think as well.
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Save gas, don't eat beans.
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Preserve Wildlife!  Throw a party today!
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: I am approached with the most opposite opinions and advice, and by men who
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> are equally certain that they represent the divine will.  I am sure that
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> either the one or the other is mistaken in the belief, and perhaps in some
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> respects, both.
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> I hope it will not be irreverent of me to say that if it is probable that
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> God would reveal his will to others on a point so connected with my duty,
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> it might be supposed he would reveal it directly to me.
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> - Abraham Lincoln
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: If you're crossing the nation in a covered wagon, it's better to have four
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> strong oxen than 100 chickens.  Chickens are OK but we can't make them work
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> together yet.
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> 		-- Ross Bott, Pyramid U.S., on multiprocessors at AUUGM '89.
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: People seem to enjoy things more when they know a lot of other people
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> have been left out on the pleasure.
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> 		-- Russell Baker
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Where it is a duty to worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime to
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> examine the laws of heat.
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> 		-- Christopher Morley
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: We give advice, but we cannot give the wisdom to profit by it.
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> 		-- La Rochefoucauld
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple.  After that, it's all learned.
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> 	-- Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org, on X interfaces
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a banana.
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: "No problem is so formidable that you can't walk away from it."
08:17 <Lucifer_arma>  -- C. Schulz
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: Witch!  Witch!  They'll burn ya!
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> 		-- Hag, "Tomorrow is Yesterday", stardate unknown
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: In a museum in Havana, there are two skulls of Christopher Columbus,
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> "one when he was a boy and one when he was a man."
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> 		-- Mark Twain
08:18 <luke-jr_> /kick Lucifer_arma 
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> haha
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> this is neat.  Here I am in modern warfare and I can't let up on science
08:27 <luke-jr_> *** glibc detected *** src/armagetronad_main: free(): invalid pointer: 0x00002b68f44ca010 ***
08:27 <luke-jr_> hmmm
08:27 <Durka> im still here and luci is still talking to me???
08:27 <luke-jr_> Durka: stfu
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't describe what I was doing as "talking" if I were you
08:29 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: should I bother debugging the memory issue, or blame it on my new video card?
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> did you recompile?
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> you know, everything in the chain?
08:31 <luke-jr_> no, can't recompile till SWIG is optional
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> well that was interesting.  All the other ais declared war on me
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> alliances broke and everything
08:32 <luke-jr_> lol
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> except the irish
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> and spidey's away ai, of course
08:33  * luke-jr_ knows how to make away-AI declare war
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> declare war on it?
08:34 <luke-jr_> no, that's not it declaring the war
08:34 <luke-jr_> declare war on its ally
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> oh
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's pretty much what I did, but the ai I declared war on is spidey's enemy
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, after spidey split them up, the civil war civ made an alliance with the original
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I can get the portuguese to cease-fire (no point in it though)
09:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6412 /private/z-man/clio/ (argument_lists.hpp macrorecursion.hpp templatearglist.hpp): Added generation of template signatures from preprocessor friendly variants
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10:20 <Lucifer_arma> man, why did it have to be the sioux?
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> what I'm doing amounts to genocide, why couldn't it be the babylonians?
10:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6413 /private/z-man/clio/ (macros.hpp test.cpp): Restored wrappability of protected functions.
11:30 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6414 /private/z-man/clio/ (5 files): Template classes now wrappable with macros.
11:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: was that durka or a python bot of yours?
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> ?
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> oh, no, that was durka
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> and me using a shell script + dcop :)
11:39 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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13:01 <SuPeRTaRD> #cnn 78758
13:01 <armabot> SuPeRTaRD: The current temperature in Austin, TX is 32.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Wind: CLM at 0 mph (0 km/h).
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> yep, it's cold all right
13:07 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
13:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 29.8°F (6:03 AM CST on December 01, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Rising).  Freeze warning in effect until 9 am CST this morning... 
13:07 <Lucifer_arma> my thermometer says 32
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13:28 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60016
13:28 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 32.0°F (6:09 AM CST on December 01, 2006). Conditions: Heavy Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 29.49 in 998 hPa.  Winter Storm Warning in effect until noon CST today... 
13:29 <DrJoeTron> sweet deal
13:29 <DrJoeTron> guess im going skitchin tonight possibly
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13:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6415 /private/z-man/clio/ (macros.hpp test.cpp):
13:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Base classes of templates don't need to be explicitly instantiated; their functions will be available automatically to all derived template classes.
13:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Template classes can now have virtual functions overridden in script, some type passing magic was required.
13:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Prepended virtual function macros with CLIO_.
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15:37 <DrJoeTron> Snow Blower 3
15:37 <DrJoeTron> Winter 7
15:37 <DrJoeTron> winter wins
15:38 <DrJoeTron> or in pokemon form
15:38 <DrJoeTron> SnowBlower uses Blow Attack
15:38 <DrJoeTron> Winter uses Snow Attack
15:38 <DrJoeTron> Crittical Hit!
15:38 <DrJoeTron> It's Super Effective
15:39 <DrJoeTron> Snow Blower Fainted.
16:27 <spidey> GAY
16:27 <spidey> lets play defcon ;x
16:27 <spidey> or...OR....defcon :D
16:28 <spidey> btw
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16:28 <spidey> 'er
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6416 /private/z-man/clio/ (dataconversion.hpp iclassinfo.hpp macros.hpp test.cpp): Templates that are used as function arguments or return values in wrapped methods are now auto-instantiated and can be used from io.
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17:33 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6417 /private/z-man/clio/ (5 files): Added support for nesting classes.
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19:28 <Nixda852> hey
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19:28 <Nightmare> hey
19:28 <Nightmare> is there anyone here lol
19:29 <luke-jr_> no
19:29 <Nightmare> too bad
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20:01 <navi2shavi> hey girls
20:01 <navi2shavi> helloo girls
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20:04 <Nixda984> hey guys
20:04 <Nixda984> supertard
20:05 <Nixda984> mazufer
20:05 <Nixda984> luke
20:05 <Nixda984> zman
20:05 <Nixda984> wrtlprnft
20:05 <Nixda984> spidey
20:05 <Nixda984> armabot
20:05 <Nixda984> joetron
20:05 <Nixda984> godtodd
20:05 <Nixda984> guru2
20:05 <Nixda984> john3nn2s
20:05 <Nixda984> dlh
20:05 <Nixda984> np tangent
20:05 <Nixda984> xpert darkstar
20:05 <Nixda984> everyone
20:05 <Nixda984> hows it goin
20:05 <Nixda984> nigga
20:05 <Nixda984> ss
20:05 <Nixda984> sss
20:05 <Nixda984> ssssssssssssss
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20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6418 /private/z-man/clio/ (classinfo.hpp macros.hpp):
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: Added support for non-polymorphic inheritance.
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: Added very abstract classes (can't even be destroyed).
20:13 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6419 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Added wrappers for tArray.
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21:04 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (12 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (10 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || -=|LoD|=- Sumo Temporary Server (8 players) || Norm's Place (8 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (8 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) (1 more message)
21:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6420 /private/z-man/clio/ (macros.hpp state.hpp test.cpp): Experimienting with the int & return value trouble.
21:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6421 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/ (engine/ePlayer.cpp tron/gArmagetron.cpp): Fixed memory leaks, nobody was feeling responsible for cleaning up the Io states.
21:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6422 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/tools/tArray.h: Fixed a warning in a normally unused function that triggered a long instantiated here... chain when wrapped.
21:56 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6423 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/tools/tArray_wrap.h: Adapted to template class macro change.
22:12 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6424 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/ (overlay/ overlays.xml): begin work on Gentoo overlay
22:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6425 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/ (games-action/ games-action/armagetronad/ profile/): overlay dirs
22:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6426 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Nov 31, 2006-- SF changes Svn access URIs on us
22:57 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6427 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (armagetronad-0.2.8.0.ebuild armagetronad-0.2.8.1.ebuild): copy old ebuilds from history
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6428 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.ebuild: 0.2.8.2
23:05 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6429 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (4 files): descriptions and svn:keywords
23:05 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6430 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.2.8.0.ebuild: 0.2.8.0 had security issues, so remove it entirely
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23:11 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6431 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (armagetronad-0.2.8.2.ebuild files/): begin 0.2.8.2 port
23:12 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6432 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/files/0280_fix-sysinstall.patch: patch needed for older 0.2.8
23:32 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6433 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (armagetronad-0.2.8.1.ebuild armagetronad-0.2.8.2.ebuild): sync 0.2.8.1 and 0.2.8.2
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> quiet!
23:40 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6434 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/ (3 files in 2 dirs): krawall doesnt work, so dont tolerate it
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23:51 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6435 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest files/digest-armagetronad-0.2.8.1): 0.2.8.1 works
23:51 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:51 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 30.2°F (3:54 PM CST on December 01, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa. 
23:54 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
23:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - Rain at times heavy ending overnight then cloudy. Amount 30 to 40 mm. Fog patches dissipating overnight. Wind northeast 30 km/h becoming east 40 gusting to 60 early this evening then becoming southwest 40 gusting to 60 overnight. (1 more message)
23:55 <ghableska> heh, nothing but rain up there?
23:55 <Vanhayes> nope
23:55 <Vanhayes> we had a half week break but its back
23:55 <Vanhayes> #more
23:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature rising to 11 by morning.; Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of showers. Wind west 40 km/h gusting to 60. Temperature falling to 6 in the afternoon. Saturday night..cloudy periods. Wind west 30 km/h gusting to 50. Low minus 5.; Sunday - Sunny. High plus 1.;
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23:58 <[NP]Tangent> #weather Littleton
23:58 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The current temperature in Littleton, CO is 31.0°F. Conditions: Partly Sunny. Humidity: 56%. Wind: SSE at 8 mph (13 km/h).
23:59 <ghableska> #armaservers
23:59 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.

Log from 2006-12-02:
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00:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6436 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest files/digest-armagetronad-0.2.8.2): 0.2.8.2 works
00:06 <ghableska> wb
00:07 <ghableska> Vanhayes: come to fortress cafe, it's crowded :)
00:10 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
00:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
00:17 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
00:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (8 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (Swamplords Server) (7 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (7 players) || MicroBusCity.com (6 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (6 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (5 (1 more message)
00:18 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
00:19 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (16/32): chat°aot, free kill, G5, gArIsImO, ghableska, Kamakazi, Leanne, MaZuffeR, OMG A WALL, Twister, Vogel, W20, Zop, |sd| wabash, ¬[XS]¬o2, °¯AshitakA
00:24 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6437 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (Manifest armagetronad-0.2.8.2.ebuild): 0.2.8.2 doesnt need config.h hacking anymore I think
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01:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6439 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.3.0.ebuild: remove 0.3.0 ebuild-- its better replaced w/ a new copy
01:05 <luke-jr_> btw
01:05 <luke-jr_> you can all layman -a armagetron now
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01:11 <ghableska> :P
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
01:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 50.7°F (6:18 PM CST on December 01, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Rising). 
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> brrrrrrrrrr
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6440 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 0.2.8.2.1 works as a copy of 0.2.8.2
01:27 <ghableska> :P
01:44 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: does DEBUGLEVEL 3 disable sound in 0.3.0?
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of.
01:48 <luke-jr_> it did in 0.2.8
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01:53 <Lucifer_arma> what language evaluates 0.2.8 == 0.3.0 to true?
01:54 <luke-jr_> dunno, who tried to do that
01:54 <luke-jr_> ?
01:55 <luke-jr_> interesting
01:55 <luke-jr_> 0.3.0 doesn't build a server for me :/
01:55 <luke-jr_> thirdparty/shttpd/libshttpd.a(libshttpd_a-shttpd.o): In function `do_embedded':
01:55 <luke-jr_> shttpd.c:(.text+0x5603): undefined reference to `pthread_create'
01:55 <luke-jr_> shttpd.c:(.text+0x560d): undefined reference to `pthread_detach'
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> what city is directly north of redmond?
02:04 <Lucifer_arma> that's obviously a linker problem, check the makefile for it
02:40 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6441 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 0.3.0 for ~arch
02:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6442 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (5 files): Warning for USE=debug and experimental
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03:12 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: turn, turn, turn
03:13 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: [20:12:32] Turn-blocking game play: waiting on Luke to finish turn...
03:13 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: turn, turn, turn
03:13 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: [20:12:32] Turn-blocking game play: waiting on Luke to finish turn...
03:31 <GodTodd> ...
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04:10 <spidey> GodTodd, ?
04:10 <GodTodd> spidey, ?
04:11 <spidey> <GodTodd> luke-jr_: turn, turn, turn
04:11 <spidey> <GodTodd> luke-jr_: [20:12:32] Turn-blocking game play: waiting on Luke to finish turn...
04:11 <spidey> <GodTodd> luke-jr_: turn, turn, turn
04:11 <spidey> <GodTodd> luke-jr_: [20:12:32] Turn-blocking game play: waiting on Luke to finish turn...
04:12 <GodTodd> yeah...and?
04:14 <luke-jr_> spidey: thanks
04:14 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: thanks too
04:14 <luke-jr_> even if I am 45 mins too late
04:14 <luke-jr_> XD
04:15 <spidey> luke-jr_, start a server =p
04:15 <luke-jr_> eh
04:15 <luke-jr_> but I was being productive...
04:15 <spidey> to bad
04:16 <luke-jr_> ok, lemme restart X first :x
04:16 <spidey> lol
04:19 <luke-jr_> #list
04:19 <armabot> luke-jr_: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
04:19 <luke-jr_> #list cia
04:19 <armabot> luke-jr_: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, removehandler, and runhandler
04:19 <luke-jr_> #runhandler
04:19 <armabot> luke-jr_: (runhandler <shortname> [<text>]) -- Executes the handler given by shortname manually.
04:19 <luke-jr_> #runhandler aabetaupdate
04:19 <armabot> luke-jr_: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
04:19 <luke-jr_> liar
04:19 <luke-jr_> #runhandler aabetaupdatea
04:19 <armabot> luke-jr_: aabetaupdatea not found.  Sorry.
04:19 <luke-jr_> #runhandler aabetaupdate
04:19 <armabot> luke-jr_: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
04:21 <luke-jr_> poj
04:22 <spidey> poj?
04:23 <spidey> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1904065
04:23 <spidey> ;x
04:27 <spidey> Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications (SUA) is a component that provides platform services to run UNIX system–based applications and scripts on Windows Vista Enterprise. SUA is a completely native subsystem, similar to the traditional Windows subsystem that resides on top of the kernel; it is not an emulation layer. SUA eases interoperability between Windows and UNIX/Linux environments and UNIX-based enterprise application
04:27 <spidey> s porting to the Windows platform. SUA recompiles UNIX system–based applications on Windows to help you overcome barriers when you move your workloads to the Windows platform.
04:31 <ghableska> o.0
04:35 <luke-jr_> if*
04:36 <spidey> if?
04:36 <spidey> if what?
04:37 <spidey> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2552650&CatId=0
04:37 <spidey> i want that..
04:38 <spidey> couple car batteries and you got a nice AC backup unit ;x
04:44 <spidey> luke-jr_, btw that's a feature of windows vista enterprise
04:44 <spidey> not "if"
04:44 <spidey> :
04:44 <spidey> :p
04:45 <spidey> GodTodd, Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Vanhayes wanna play freeciv? ;x
04:46 <GodTodd> i ain't playing if Lucifer_arma is playing two civs :P
04:46 <spidey> eh?
04:46 <GodTodd> spidey> GodTodd, Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Vanhayes wanna play freeciv? ;x
04:46 <spidey> two?
04:46 <GodTodd> ^^^
04:46 <spidey> lol
04:46 <spidey> ok
04:46 <spidey> GodTodd, Lucifer_arma luke-jr_ Vanhayes 
04:46 <spidey> :p
04:51 <Vanhayes> spidey: not tonight, im erally tried, cold and wet so I think  Im going to go to bed now
04:51 <Vanhayes> #night
04:51 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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04:51 <ghableska> #weather 50265
04:51 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 21.2°F (8:54 PM CST on December 01, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 12.2°F. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa. 
04:52 <luke-jr_> anyone a HTML expert?
04:52 <luke-jr_> I'll start a server when aabeta is fixed
04:52 <GodTodd> thought you were an expert in everything
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05:05 <spidey> luke-jr_, what about html?
05:09 <luke-jr_> nm fixed it
05:09 <luke-jr_> brb\
05:10 <GodTodd> see? i had faith in  you...
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05:18 <spidey> #g 9.90 EUR in USD
05:18 <armabot> spidey: 9.90 Euros = 13.06701 U.S. dollars
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05:19 <ghableska> #g 1 EUR in USD
05:19 <armabot> ghableska: 1 Euro = 1.3199 U.S. dollars
05:21 <Luke-Jr> server's up
05:22 <spidey> GodTodd, Lucifer_arma 
05:28 <Luke-Jr> O.o
05:31 <Luke-Jr> [NP]Tangent: [Xpert]DarkStar DrJoeTron ghableska GodTodd guru3 Lucifer_arma mkzelda Plazma spidey SuPeRTaRD wejp_ wrtlprnft z-man-work 
05:31 <spidey> half of them don't play freeciv
05:31 <spidey> rofl
05:31 <ghableska> o.0
05:31 <ghableska> :P
05:32 <ghableska> I think I may have downloaded it and put it somewhere...
05:32 <Luke-Jr> time to install it
05:33 <Luke-Jr> 8)
05:37 <DrJoeTron> man
05:37 <ghableska> no, time to sleep
05:37 <DrJoeTron> rushing games is great
05:37 <ghableska> #night
05:37 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:39 <GodTodd> hrmm
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05:42 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: \\
05:42 <GodTodd> yes?
05:43 <Luke-Jr> come play
05:43 <GodTodd> i'm RTFMing so i don't have to ask questions in here...
05:43 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> does your server have icbms?
05:47 <spidey> lol
05:47 <spidey> actually
05:48 <spidey> your ruleset can get boring against AI's
05:48 <spidey> since they seem to slow research after cannons
05:49 <spidey> what i really want is to play a game against 2 HUGE ai's 
05:49 <spidey> like
05:50 <spidey> 100 cities huge
05:59 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: come play
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> no you don't, spidey.  My ruleset is boring against AIs.  :/
06:13 <spidey> "can" be
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> that's why we need to quit wussing out over doing human vs human.  We don't suck anymore, we don't get owned by the ais anymore.
06:14 <spidey> human vs human is fine for me
06:14 <spidey> luke's the wussy
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, it most certainly is.  Did you take it farther and play icbms against the ais?
06:14 <spidey> why should i?
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> now, if I add nuclear icbms (and I'll probably rename them to long-range missiles anyway), we get a situation where we can have a real nuclear standoff
06:14 <spidey> airtransports and howitzers, that's all i ever use
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> "I've got enough missiles to blow you away!"  "Oh yeah?  Well so do I!"
06:15 <spidey> well
06:15 <spidey> transports
06:15 <spidey> but now airtransports
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> the air transports are awesome.  :)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> I still suspect the nuclear bombers aren't going to work out, though, unless they're cheaper and there's no tactical nuclear missile
06:19 <Luke-Jr> I think Lucifer_arma's the one who's been wussing out of games lately
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06:31  * GodTodd does the obligatory sit-com "oooooooooooh" noise.
06:35 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: tuuuuuuuuuuurn!
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> too busy wussing out
06:38 <SuPeRTaRD> #cnn 78758
06:38 <armabot> SuPeRTaRD: The current temperature in Austin, TX is 43.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Wind: SSW at 3 mph (5 km/h).
06:48 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
06:48 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 32.2°F (11:49 PM CST on December 01, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa. 
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
06:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 41.7°F (11:48 PM CST on December 01, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa. 
06:56 <spidey> #weather 38256
06:56 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 24.8°F (11:57 PM CST on December 01, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa. 
06:56 <spidey> ack
06:57 <spidey> it's below freexing
06:57 <spidey> freezing
06:57 <spidey> gay
07:10 <spidey> #g 0 f in c
07:10 <armabot> spidey: 0 degrees Fahrenheit = -17.7777778 degrees Celsius
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10:29 <wrtlprnft> #morning
10:30 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: BLISS is ignorance.
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10:36 <wrtlprnft> wow. Did something special happen yesterday?
10:36 <wrtlprnft> there were about 150 people online on friday around 23:00
10:37 <Luke-Jr> ...
10:37 <Luke-Jr> I'm sure there was more than 150 people online
10:37 <wrtlprnft> i mean on public arma servers
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10:42 <Nixda966> weis jemand wie man bei armagetron drei farben bei den namen m,acht???
10:43 <Nixda966> HALOO???
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11:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping
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11:20 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6457 /private/z-man/clio/ (12 files): Revamped data conversion for increased flexibility (and longer compile time).
11:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6458 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tArray_wrap.cpp tArray_wrap.h tString_wrap.h): Added conversion rule for tString and instantiated tArray< tString >.
11:40 <guru3> good morning
11:42 <spidey> morning!
11:42 <spidey> well, night for me :p close to bedtime xD
11:45 <wrtlprnft> morning/night/whatever
11:48 <spidey> 5am
11:48 <spidey> but
11:48 <spidey> sleeptime is coming :D
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12:50 <Luzifer> #good morning
12:50 <Luzifer> #list
12:50 <armabot> Luzifer: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
12:50 <Luzifer> #roulette
12:50 <armabot> Luzifer: *click*
12:50 <Luzifer> #roulette
12:50 <armabot> Luzifer: *click*
12:50 <Luzifer> #roulette
12:50 <armabot> Luzifer: *click*
12:50 <Luzifer> #roulette
12:50 <armabot> Luzifer: *click*
12:50 <Luzifer> #roulette
12:50 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
12:50  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
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13:27 <spidey> deja_vu, 
13:28 <deja_vu> spidey: 
13:28 <spidey> deja_vu, 
13:29 <deja_vu> i will not continue this. :P
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13:47 <Lucifer_arma> I will not continue this.
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13:49 <Lucifer_arma> alright, in one month's advertising on the wiki, $24.61
13:50 <deja_vu> O.o
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14:17 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
14:17 <spidey> you should see my civ now
14:18 <spidey> 323m tons of production, 12 cities, 0 pollution ;x
14:18 <spidey> plus
14:18 <spidey> a 230 or so gold/turn profit ;x
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6459 /private/z-man/clio/ (classname.hpp dataconversion.hpp macros.hpp test.cpp): Support for wrapping classes in namespaces. The wrapping still has to be done in the root namespace, and there is little that can be done about that.
15:07 <spidey> well
15:08 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,  62 shield city takes 3 turns to produce a bomber
15:08 <spidey> o.O
15:09 <spidey> hell
15:09 <spidey> besides  wonders taking 10 turns, there isn't a thing i can't spit out in 3 turns :))
15:10 <wrtlprnft> http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1#1164984642
15:10 <wrtlprnft> NOT AGAIN!
15:10 <wrtlprnft> you know how long it takes to switch ~10 working copies?
15:10 <spidey> ?
15:11 <wrtlprnft> !
15:11 <wrtlprnft> stupid sourceforge
15:11 <wrtlprnft> i suggest we switch to GNA! or something smaller x_X
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15:15 <spidey> ?
15:17 <wrtlprnft> read the page.
15:19 <spidey> hm
15:22 <spidey> http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/63/goldmk3.gif
15:22 <spidey> http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2833/productionrf9.gif
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16:57 <ghableska> hello
17:02 <ghableska> #armaservers
17:02 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || Strawberry Fields (10 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (10 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (8 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (5 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (5 players) || (1 more message)
17:02 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
17:02 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
17:06 <wrtlprnft> :s
17:07 <wrtlprnft> seems to be empty more often than not
17:07 <ghableska> aww
17:07 <ghableska> I'm sure it'll get crowded in a few hours
17:07 <ghableska> what are the peak times?
17:12 <wrtlprnft> well, the total player peak time is around 23:00 GMT+1
17:12 <wrtlprnft> that's in 6 hours
17:13 <ghableska> ok
17:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6460 /private/z-man/clio/ (classname.hpp macros.hpp): GCC 4.1.1 compatibility.
17:18 <wrtlprnft> kick-ass minimap-related commit incoming!
17:21 <ghableska> :P
17:22 <spidey> #night
17:22 <armabot> Good night spidey!
17:22 <ghableska> ?
17:22 <spidey> bedtime
17:22 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6461 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (12 files in 5 dirs):
17:22 <armabot> armagetronad: More stuff by voodoo (+ some stuff by me):
17:22 <armabot> armagetronad: - changed the XML format for the minimap config. You now define combinations of the various settings and a key to toggle between them
17:22 <armabot> armagetronad: - the map now supports turning by an arbitary angle. The angle can be 0, taken from the cycle direction, from the direction the cycle was spawned, or the direction the camera is facing
17:22 <ghableska> ...
17:22 <armabot> armagetronad: - the zoom factor is configurable now, too
17:22 <armabot> armagetronad: - fixed a DTD conflict
17:22 <ghableska> it's 10 in the morning
17:22 <ghableska> and you
17:22 <spidey> 10:30
17:22 <ghableska> are going to bed now?
17:22 <spidey> yup
17:22 <ghableska> o.0
17:23 <spidey> :p
17:23 <spidey> night
17:23 <ghableska> night
17:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6462 /private/z-man/clio/dataconversion.hpp: Fixed conversion error in primitive reference proxy.
17:49 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpit_Tutorial#Map_Settings
17:50 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that's what you wanted to do a while ago, right?
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18:12 <Ringwraith`> I am a loosah baby so why dont ya core dump mah!
18:12 <ghableska> #weather 50265
18:13 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 21.2°F (10:54 AM CST on December 02, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 6.8°F. Pressure: 30.47 in 1032 hPa. 
18:14 <Ringwraith`> #weather -32767
18:14 <armabot> Ringwraith`: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "-32767".
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #weather 65535
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The current temperature in Steelville, Missouri is 32.7°F (11:15 AM CST on December 02, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.41 in 1029.7 hPa. 
18:15 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:15 <ghableska> O_o
18:16 <wrtlprnft> o_O_o
18:16 <ghableska> o0o
18:17 <Ringwraith`> lol
18:17 <Ringwraith`> #weather 32767
18:17 <armabot> Ringwraith`: The current temperature in St. Johns River, Deland, Florida is 77.9°F (11:56 AM EST on December 02, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa. 
18:26 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
18:26 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): (Tm) Canada, meriton, Player 1, xS Lazer, °¯AshitakA
18:31 <Ringwraith`> #weather 00001
18:31 <armabot> Ringwraith`: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "00001".
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21:18 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails -v wrtl
21:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress (88.198.22.100:4535) running 0.2.8_alpha20061115 unix dedic, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “Hetzner server, AMD64 3700+, 1Gbit/s uplink. Standard fortress settings, but with wall shrink, free teamshuffling, no autobalancing and reduced spam protection. DEDICATED_FPS is increased to 100.“, Players (11/32): (TM) Canada, 2020, achtung sucks, G5, ketamine, (1 more message)
21:24 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6463 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Import 0.2.7.1-r1 from Gentoos portage tree
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21:35 <Canada> ELLo
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> hi
21:50 <Canada> how are you
21:50 <Canada> hows life
21:53 <Canada> ?
21:57 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-36-178-146.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
21:58 <wrtlprnft> fine
21:58 <DrJoeTron> fine!
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22:13 <Nixda858> is swampland down?
22:13 <Nixda858> swampland 2.7.1
22:14 <luke-jr> possibly
22:14 <Canada> hello guys
22:14 <luke-jr> omg
22:14 <luke-jr> go away Canada
22:14 <Nixda858> omg go away you
22:14 <Nixda858> canada
22:14 <Canada> :(
22:15 <Canada> you guys have problems.... what did i do....
22:15 <Nixda858> wheres swampland
22:15 <Nixda858> i cant see it
22:15 <luke-jr> who is Nixda858 anyhow?
22:15 <Canada> probably offline...
22:16 <Nixda858> how do i change my name
22:16 <Nixda858> im gridbug
22:16 <luke-jr>  /nick gridbug
22:16 <Canada> oh hey grid
22:16 -!- Nixda858 is now known as gridbug
22:16 <gridbug> ok
22:16 <Canada> you were in wrtl's fortress before
22:17 <gridbug> yeh
22:17 <Canada> :P
22:17 <Canada> #lastseen Canada
22:17 <armabot> Canada: (TM) Canada has last been seen on wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress 26 minutes ago.
22:17 <Canada> :D
22:18 <Canada> well see ya, im going to go back to editing heavens art
22:18 <Canada> bye bye guys
22:19 <Canada> actually im going to undownload it, anyone have any ogod movie packs that they would like o share
22:20 <DrJoeTron> undownload something?
22:20 <DrJoeTron> you're lucky i've got falco blasting,
22:21 <DrJoeTron> if you respect yourself
22:21 <DrJoeTron> and your life
22:22 <DrJoeTron> you'd download armarocktron
22:22 <Canada> well i did, and it wont work
22:22 <Canada> so....
22:23 <DrJoeTron> you fail at life
22:24 <Canada> go f*** your self... god sorry i was dying to say that
22:24 <luke-jr> /kick Canada
22:25 -!- Canada [n=Arma54@pool-71-252-96-49.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
22:25 <DrJoeTron> again
22:25 <DrJoeTron> falco
22:25 <DrJoeTron> blasting
22:25 <DrJoeTron> cant take anything without glee right now
22:26 <luke-jr> lol
22:26 <luke-jr> say my name DrJoeTron
22:26 <DrJoeTron> Ralph
22:30 <gridbug> what
22:30 <gridbug> funny convorsation
22:30 <gridbug> why can't i kick anyone :)
22:31 <luke-jr> only guru3 can
22:32 <gridbug> ok
22:32 -!- gridbug is now known as guru2
22:33 <guru2> guru2 can't but 3 can
22:33 <guru2> what about 4
22:33 -!- guru2 is now known as guru4
22:33 <guru4> "D
22:33 -!- guru4 is now known as gridbug
22:33 <gridbug> luke where you work at
22:34 <luke-jr> ...
22:34 <gridbug> later
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23:24 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:24 <ghableska> #armaservers
23:24 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 23.0°F (3:54 PM CST on December 02, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 8.6°F. Pressure: 30.49 in 1032 hPa. 
23:24 <armabot> ghableska: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (13 players) || Strawberry Fields (13 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || Norm's Place (12 players) || The Lobster Cage (7 players) || -=|LoD|=- Sumo Temporary Server (7 players) || *Super* *Duck* *Nano* *Fortress* !!! Multi Maps (7 players) || The Tavern [armagetronad.de] (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || (1 more message)
23:24 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
23:24 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): ct|SeBoL158, Edge, G5, ~luAp~, »¥½¥«Curka»¥½¥«
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23:36 <GodTodd> bah...stupid algorithm
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23:39 <GodTodd> it's all luke-jr_work's fucking fault
23:39 <GodTodd> :)
23:39 <luke-jr> ...
23:41 <luke-jr> The <a href="http://armagetronad.net">Armagetron Advanced</a> team has recently added their own <a href="http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Gentoo_Portage_Overlay">Portage tree overlay</a> for the latest versions of their game. Currently, the overlay contains only beta-quality ebuilds for recent 0.2.8 releases and the 0.3.0 experimental release, but bug reports (<a href="http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewforum.php?f=4">to the
23:41 <luke-jr> Armagetron team</a> please, not Gentoo) will improve this with time, and there are plans to add an ebuild for the latest subversion code as well as tools (such as map designing programs).
23:41 <luke-jr> look good?
23:41 <GodTodd> looks like fucking spam
23:41 <luke-jr> stfu GodTodd
23:41 <GodTodd> no
23:41 <luke-jr> I love how SourceForge's Svn server hangs
23:42 <luke-jr> -.-
23:42 <GodTodd> ...
23:51 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: plz update http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar
23:55 <luke-jr> z-man-work: ping
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23:56 <TiTnAsS> supertard

Log from 2006-12-03:
--- Day changed Sun Dec 03 2006
00:13  * spidey yawns
00:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr 
00:13 <spidey> wanna finish that game sometime tonight?
00:21 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6464 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (5 files): fix IUSE
00:24 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
00:25 <luke-jr> TiTnAsS: 
00:33 <spidey> luke-jr, 
00:33 <spidey> 500 slot server?
00:33 <spidey> o.o
00:34 <luke-jr> what
00:34 <luke-jr> you got a problem w/ it?
00:34 <luke-jr> it's been up weeks
00:36 <Vanhayes> I doubt there are 500 people in total who play tron regularly
00:37 <ghableska> heh
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00:42 <TiTnAsS> huh luke?
00:43 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: minor point
00:43 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i think there are, but not at the same time…
00:44 <wrtlprnft> depends on how you define “regularly”, too
00:44 <luke-jr> heh
00:44 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: comments on the GWN announcement?
00:45  * luke-jr is cleaning up the 0.2.7.1 ebuild now
00:45 <GodTodd> taking the nudie pics out of it, eh?
00:46 <luke-jr> yeah
00:47 <luke-jr> actually, making it so you can install both dedicated and client on the same system
00:48 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: which one?
00:49 <TiTnAsS> luke
00:49 <TiTnAsS> what did you want
00:49 <luke-jr> The <a href="http://armagetronad.net">Armagetron Advanced</a> team has recently added their own <a href="http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Gentoo_Portage_Overlay">Portage tree overlay</a> for the latest versions of their game. Currently, the overlay contains only beta-quality ebuilds for recent 0.2.8 releases and the 0.3.0 experimental release, but bug reports (<a href="http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewforum.php?f=4">to the
00:49 <luke-jr> Armagetron team</a> please, not Gentoo) will improve this with time, and there are plans to add an ebuild for the latest subversion code as well as tools (such as map designing programs).
00:49 <luke-jr> TiTnAsS: hi, ltns
00:49 <TiTnAsS> sup
00:49 <wrtlprnft> o_O
00:49 <wrtlprnft> i'll look for a version i can actually read
00:49 <TiTnAsS> i log on tron and someone calls me fake -.-
00:49 <wrtlprnft> w/o html tags in them
00:50 <luke-jr> TiTnAsS: not much
00:51 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ... that's a draft
00:51 <luke-jr> I haven't even emailed it yet
00:51 <wrtlprnft> i guess so, now
00:51 <wrtlprnft> i don't even think we're important enough for that
00:51 <luke-jr> well, gentoo-games doesn't want to replace our portage tree stuff w/ a notice
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01:04 <wrtlprnft> actually, the bug page looks somewhat promising?
01:04 <wrtlprnft> as people are working on it, and if there's a working 0.2.8.2.1 ebuild in the tree it'll be easier to get future versions, i guess…
01:05 <wrtlprnft> > The newest registered user is buy-cialis
01:05  * wrtlprnft counts the seconds till the next spam post
01:05 <ghableska> hehe
01:05 <luke-jr> eh?
01:05 <ghableska> oh, once there was a spambot that wasn't from the US :P
01:06 <ghableska> they've gone international
01:06 <luke-jr> ghableska: I think most are outside the US...
01:06 <ghableska> well, they have the US flag in their profiles, anyway
01:07 <wrtlprnft> Registrant: MyCompany 404 main street 4th floor Boonton, NJ 07005 US
01:08 <wrtlprnft> that's what whois says about their domain
01:08 <ghableska> who?
01:08  * wrtlprnft is surprised you can actually register a domain with that info
01:08 <wrtlprnft> whois.
01:08 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whois
01:09 <ghableska> er, nvm
01:10 <wrtlprnft> MyCompany, 404 main street? come on, any human who reads this knows it's a fake
01:10 <ghableska> lol
01:10 <Vanhayes> I dont know humans can be pretty dumb
01:11 <ghableska> *cough*
01:12 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: actually, the current mutilation of an ebuild on the bug sucks
01:14 <wrtlprnft> be happy something's happening and people are working on it.
01:17 <luke-jr> something's happening because I'm working on it
01:17 <luke-jr> the overlay is functional, it just needs announcing
01:19 <wrtlprnft> why don't you try to get it into sunrise or something?
01:21 <luke-jr> some people don't want to use sunrise?
01:21 <luke-jr> I'm not sure I would
01:22 <luke-jr> why does 0271 compile so much faster?
01:23 <wrtlprnft> because it contains less stuff?
01:24 <luke-jr> that much??
01:24 <spidey> dude
01:24 <spidey> this whole
01:25 <spidey> tron fucking my resolution thing.. =/
01:26 <ghableska> :P
01:26 <spidey> like
01:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: how much faster does it compile? :P
01:26 <spidey> i stop playing tron, and i'll see 3 screens in one >.>
01:26 <wrtlprnft> i haven't compiled that old crap for at least a year now
01:27 <wrtlprnft> then don't stop playing tron.
01:27 <spidey> ...
01:27 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: 0271 is done in < 2 min
01:27 <luke-jr> 028+ takes a good 10 minutes at least
01:27 <wrtlprnft> dunno. What changed exactly?
01:28 <luke-jr> I forget, 0271 was before I did much hacking on it
01:28 <wrtlprnft> we have maps now, your axes stuff, …
01:28 <luke-jr> Sysinfo for 'tsurukikun': Linux 2.6.19-gentoo running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ at 2202 MHz (4410 bogomips), HD: 214/227GB, RAM: 992/1003MB, 242 proc's, 5.11h up
01:28 <luke-jr> wtf
01:28 <luke-jr> How do I get normal exec w/ Konvi
01:28  * wrtlprnft doesn't know
01:29 <luke-jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.19-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.844 MHz) - Processes: 247 - Uptime:  00:29:16 up  5:12,  3 users,  load average: 0.50, 1.61, 1.55 - Memory Usage: 1522MB/1003MB (151%)
01:29 <luke-jr> less swap than usual, maybe that's it
01:29 <wrtlprnft> Memory Usage: 1522MB/1003MB (151%)
01:29 <wrtlprnft> for sure
01:30 <wrtlprnft> can i know where you bought those memory sticks? they must be great!
01:30 <luke-jr> ever hear of swap?
01:30 <luke-jr> it's not great
01:30 <wrtlprnft> doesn't count.
01:30 <luke-jr> it's usage
01:30 <luke-jr> got 1 GB stick coming in the mail tho :)
01:30 <wrtlprnft> then you have to add the total amount of swap space to the maximum number as well.
01:31 <wrtlprnft> anyways
01:31 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:31 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:31 <luke-jr> nope
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03:21  * Ringwraith` dives into the GIANT VAGINA!
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04:01 <ghableska> #weather 50265
04:01 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 15.8°F (8:54 PM CST on December 02, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: -0.4°F. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa (Rising). 
04:01 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
04:01 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 17.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Wind: NW at 13 mph (21 km/h).
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04:07 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Lucifer_arma ping
04:07 <ghableska> spidey, spidey
04:07 <spidey> er
04:07 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr ping
04:07 <spidey> ;x
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04:08 <ghableska> :P
04:08 <luke-jr> spidey: wtf u want
04:08 <spidey> wanna pickup on that save where you wussed out?
04:09 <luke-jr> before the /away?
04:11 <spidey> yea
04:14 <luke-jr> maybe after I eat
04:14 <spidey> you see what my nation will be like?
04:15 <spidey>  http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/63/goldmk3.gif
04:15 <spidey>  http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2833/productionrf9.gif
04:15 <spidey> that's when i continued after ya'll left
04:15 <spidey> 12 cities :)
04:28 <Van-hayes> spidey: was that the one I started in, or another huge map one?
04:29 -!- Van-hayes is now known as Vanhayes
04:29 <spidey> one you didn't start in
04:29 <ghableska> ;
05:20 <spidey> #dict flans
05:20 <armabot> spidey: No definition for "flans" could be found.
05:20 <ghableska> o.0
05:20 <ghableska> #google flans
05:20 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.10 seconds: Flans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flans>; Flan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flan>; Flans: <http://members.tripod.com/~tbf427/>; GourmetSleuth - Flan: <http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/flan.htm>; Flans LYRICS: <http://www.lyricsdownload.com/flans-lyrics.html>; Flans on Yahoo! Music: (1 more message)
05:20 <ghableska> ...
05:35 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/fortress/impact-0.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
05:35 <ghableska> #weather 50265
05:35 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 15.8°F (9:54 PM CST on December 02, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 1.4°F. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035 hPa. 
05:38 <luke-jr> .
05:39 <ghableska> .
05:54 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Bye."]
05:57 <[NP]Tangent> .
05:57 <luke-jr> .
05:57 <[NP]Tangent> fu
05:57 <[NP]Tangent> you already had your turn
05:57 <[NP]Tangent> h4x
05:57  * luke-jr h4x [NP]Tangent
06:08 <Vanhayes> ,
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> @
06:38 <Vanhayes> #
06:38 <Vanhayes> #night
06:38 <Vanhayes> #ping
06:38 <Vanhayes> bah, good night
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06:38 <DrJoeTron> spidey defcon?
06:39 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
06:39 <armabot> pong
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06:54 <Durka> #lastseen psyko
06:54 <Durka> ...
06:54  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
06:54 <armabot> Durka: Psyko has last been seen on  Wild West - Wild Fortress 1 days 6 hours 0 minutes ago.
06:54 <Durka> #lastseen ~*sp*~psyko
06:55 <DrJoeTron> spidey!
06:55 <DrJoeTron> fucker
06:55 <DrJoeTron> defcon!
06:55  * Durka DrJoeTron 
06:55 <DrJoeTron> you always don't want to play when i do
06:55  * Durka DrJoeTron 
06:55  * Durka Lucifer_arma 
06:55  * Durka DrJoeTron 
06:55 <armabot> Durka: ~*SP*~PsYkO has last been seen on Chico's Brake Boost Styball 2 days 14 hours 24 minutes ago.
06:57  * luke-jr h4x Durka
06:57 <Durka> ...
06:57 <DrJoeTron> well im done game raiding for a while
06:58 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
06:58 <spidey> DEFCON!??!?!?
06:58 <spidey> REALLY~?~?
06:58 <DrJoeTron> SI SENOR
06:58 <spidey> i'm hosting ;x
06:59 <spidey> or actually
06:59 <spidey> you host
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06:59 <DrJoeTron> ko
06:59 <DrJoeTron> but first
06:59 <DrJoeTron> let me finish my soup
06:59 <spidey> teamspeak server was causing my halo server to lag like hell =/
06:59 <DrJoeTron> arent you sure its just halo lagging to hell?
06:59 <DrJoeTron> because its a shitty port?
06:59 <spidey> ...
07:00 <spidey> shitty port?
07:00 <spidey> halo can't use port 2302, it's in use b something else :p
07:00 <DrJoeTron> no no
07:00 <spidey> 'er
07:00 <spidey> nevermind,. i know
07:00 <DrJoeTron> its a bad port
07:00 <spidey> xbox => pc
07:00 <DrJoeTron> :p
07:00 <spidey> halo2 should be good
07:00 <DrJoeTron> never played it?
07:00 <DrJoeTron> its really bad
07:00 <DrJoeTron> its worse than the first
07:00 <spidey> heh
07:01 <spidey> the pc version?
07:01 <spidey> it only runs on vista =p
07:01 <spidey> i'ma install vista on this box i'm gonna build ;x
07:01 <DrJoeTron> halo2 sucks period
07:01 <luke-jr> Vista sucks period
07:01 <spidey> luke-jr, stfu
07:01 <spidey> you ever used it?
07:01 <DrJoeTron> seconded
07:02 <DrJoeTron> its going to be shit
07:02 <luke-jr> don't need to :p
07:02 <spidey> either of you used it? ;x
07:02 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: it already is
07:02 <DrJoeTron> dont want to
07:02 <luke-jr> spidey: I know someone who has
07:02 <DrJoeTron> im fine with xp
07:02 <luke-jr> XP sucks too
07:02 <spidey> so you're going by someone elses word? :)
07:02 <luke-jr> no, that someone else likes it I think
07:03 <spidey> just like everyone says dell sucks, i've had this box 3 years and i've never had a problem with it
07:03 <spidey> maybe longer
07:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah you did
07:03 <DrJoeTron> you couldnt upgrade
07:03 <DrJoeTron> because it doesnt have an agp slot
07:03 <spidey> so?
07:03 <luke-jr> lol
07:04 <spidey> only thing i've added is 512ram and a 12gig hdd
07:04 <DrJoeTron> would be great if you added a video card
07:04 <spidey> onboard gfx runs all the games i play
07:05 <spidey> not really, don't need one
07:05 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
07:05 <DrJoeTron> i think the game raid is just about over
07:05 <DrJoeTron> i've had 5 accounts banned
07:05 <spidey> what game?
07:05 <spidey> lol
07:05 <DrJoeTron> and then changed my ip and mac address
07:06 <DrJoeTron> and proceeded toreign hell
07:06 <DrJoeTron> Virtual Laguna Beach
07:06 <spidey> what's that?
07:06 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2200198&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
07:06 <DrJoeTron> 2 thousand posts that were public
07:06 <DrJoeTron> then the MTV admins started monitoring the threads
07:07 <DrJoeTron> and who ever announced their name were banned
07:07 <DrJoeTron> so we had to movie it to the private game server forum
07:07 <DrJoeTron> quake looks better than this game
07:07 <luke-jr> hahaha
07:08 <DrJoeTron> and i got alot of 16 year old girls to go to www.lemonparty.org <---dont click this
07:08 <luke-jr> ..........
07:08 <spidey> he clicked it
07:08 <spidey> LOL
07:09 <spidey> ...
07:09 <spidey> don't ping me
07:09 <spidey> don't ping me
07:09 <spidey> don't ping me
07:09 <DrJoeTron> dont ping me
07:09 <spidey> <spidey> LOL
07:09 <spidey> --- Received a CTCP PING 1165126147 from luke-jr
07:09 <spidey> <spidey> ...
07:09 <spidey> <spidey> don't ping me
07:09 <spidey> --- Received a CTCP PING 1165126153 from luke-jr
07:09 <spidey> <spidey> don't ping me
07:09 <spidey> --- Received a CTCP PING 1165126154 from luke-jr
07:09 <spidey> actually
07:09 <spidey> keep doing it
07:09 <spidey> alot
07:09 <luke-jr> o.o
07:09 <DrJoeTron> hey i told you not to click
07:09 <spidey> then freenode will drop you :p
07:10 <DrJoeTron> actually i might play some more
07:10 <DrJoeTron> its a riot
07:10 <DrJoeTron> especially swince we're still kind of raiding the place
07:12 <spidey> http://img.waffleimages.com/9d55aa64803010d291e93d7d722dce8a750d27e5/there_geno3354_2006-11-29%2023-25-59.jpg
07:12 <spidey> hahaha
07:12 <luke-jr> civ?
07:12 <spidey> DrJoeTron, set the server up
07:12 <spidey> um
07:12 <spidey> luke-jr, if you find luci sure
07:12 <DrJoeTron> 1 sec
07:12 <spidey> otherwise i'ma play defcon ;x
07:14 <luke-jr> I wanna try civ
07:14 <luke-jr> but at size < players
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07:17 <spidey> ??
07:26 <DrJoeTron> hop on ts
07:26 <spidey> come to mine :p
07:27 <DrJoeTron> ip 
07:27 <spidey> i forgot all your info ;/
07:27 <spidey> 	68.114.141.224
07:27 <DrJoeTron> 66.29.95.48:8567 password is option
07:41 <[NP]Tangent> and now today's lesson
07:42 <[NP]Tangent> Fruity Loops is written with Delphi
07:42 <[NP]Tangent> Image-Line does not want to put the energy forth to make it cross-platform
07:42 <[NP]Tangent> NEXT TIME LEARN A REAL LANGUAGE
07:42 <[NP]Tangent> PLZ
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07:51 <spidey> and now todays' lesson
07:51 <spidey> luke-jr, r TEH sux
07:57 <luke-jr> u
08:30 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6468 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (4 files): dont need that hack anymore
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> delphi is a real language
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> a real point-and-click language
08:43 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: update wiki left-side menu
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> you do it
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> you have to edit every page
08:43 <luke-jr> ...
08:44 <luke-jr> bs
08:44 <luke-jr> #last --with wiki. --from luke-jr
08:44 <armabot> luke-jr: [00:51:45] <luke-jr> The <a href="http://armagetronad.net">Armagetron Advanced</a> team has recently added their own <a href="http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Gentoo_Portage_Overlay">Portage tree overlay</a> for the latest versions of their game. Currently, the overlay contains only beta-quality ebuilds for recent 0.2.8 releases and the 0.3.0 experimental release, but bug reports (<a (1 more message)
08:44 <luke-jr> #last --with MediaWiki --from luke-jr
08:44 <armabot> luke-jr: [23:53:44] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: plz update http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar
08:44 <luke-jr> just that one
08:44 <luke-jr> which I can't edit
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> ?  Update it with what?
08:46 <luke-jr> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Template:Sections&curid=1402&diff=16580&oldid=15172
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Wiki_Structuring_Project
08:52 <luke-jr> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Wiki_Structuring_Project&curid=2708&diff=16584&oldid=14741
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> Category:Getting Started - Basic guide to downloading, installing, and playing a local game, ending with a discussion of internet play. The Object of the Game needs to be factored into the top-level Getting Started page. Category name: Getting Started
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> granted that says "basic guide", and more detailed installation docs for specific platforms isn't really part of "basic"
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I want to do one update of the sidebar that slings us into the new(er) organization.  The thing holding us back right now iirc is the navigation thing.
09:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6469 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad/ (6 files): cleaner ECONF_SOURCE usage
09:28 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer_arma, what do you mean Delphi is a real language?
09:28 <[NP]Tangent> if it's only designed for Winblows
09:28 <[NP]Tangent> it's not a real language
09:28 <[NP]Tangent> hell
09:28 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr 
09:28 <[NP]Tangent> even SPanish is better for programming with
09:28 <luke-jr> spidey: 
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, as long as you don't apply arbitrary non-technical requirements, Delphi is a real programming language
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: 
09:29 <spidey> luke-jr, Lucifer_arma  wanna finish that game?
09:29 <spidey> before the /awat
09:29 <spidey>  /away
09:29 <spidey> !
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> before whose away?  mine or luke's?
09:29 <spidey> lukes
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> I could, if luke wants to start it up, but I need to finish applying for a job real quick :)
09:30 <spidey> i have a splinter in my foot
09:30 <spidey> and it hurts
09:30 <spidey> everytime i walk :<
09:30 <luke-jr> and I want to go to bed rsn
09:30 <spidey> rsn?
09:30 <spidey> brb
09:32 <luke-jr> real soon now
09:32 <[NP]Tangent> k
09:32 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer_arma, I'm reading the Delphi entry on wikipedia
09:32 <[NP]Tangent> and it sounds like the n00b way of doing things
09:33 <[NP]Tangent> real men use Notepad to code programs
09:33 <[NP]Tangent> or Kate
09:34 <luke-jr> or nano or vim or kwrite
09:34 <spidey> eh
09:34 <spidey> or wordpad ;x
09:34 <spidey> i use wordpad for everything
09:34 <spidey> ;x
09:34 <luke-jr> wtf
09:35 <luke-jr> who uses wordpad
09:35 <spidey> ftw
09:35 <spidey> me
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> real men use Programmer's Notepad for everything in Windows, and Dave's Stupid Text Editor in Linux
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> which makes me, and only me, a real man
09:35 <spidey> i think you're dreaming again
09:35 <spidey> ;x
09:36 <[NP]Tangent> real men program on their TI-83 in English class
09:36 <[NP]Tangent> <-- programmed a sword fighting game during sophomore English
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> no, those aren't real men, those are little geeks
09:36 <spidey> haha
09:36 <[NP]Tangent> yeah
09:36 <[NP]Tangent> little geeks who have a teacher who's really annoying and talks about nothing for an hour
09:37 <[NP]Tangent> anyways
09:37 <[NP]Tangent> if you're going to make a good program
09:37 <[NP]Tangent> why make it in Delphi?
09:37 <[NP]Tangent> why not make it something that everyone might be able to use?
09:37 <spidey> ..
09:38 <[NP]Tangent> I'm surprised Fruity Loops isn't available for Mac
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> who needs fruity loops when you've got Hydrogen?
09:43 <spidey> who needs hydrogen when you got oxygen
09:45 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer_arma, Hydrogen's a drum machine thingy
09:45 <[NP]Tangent> and it doesn't seem to like my laptop very much
09:45 <[NP]Tangent> I like LMMS
09:45 <[NP]Tangent> but it's quite unstable
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, it is quite unstable :/
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> I dont' like drum sequencers anyway
09:46 <[NP]Tangent> click click click OH IT'S WONDERFUL! click click CRASH!
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like how they work
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> too primitive, they deal with making basic patterns and stringing them together into a song
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want to do that.  I want to say "This is a verse, play <this beat>, phrases are 8 bars, verse has 8 phrases"
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> then the program should pick the patterns it plays and put in its own fills, providing a way for me to customize the fills
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like having to compose every single pattern, and even making a pattern library is just a hack
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> what I want is a song development IDE
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> I want to later attach recordings of phrases
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> have them mix with the drums and other instruments, so I can focus on composing the whole song
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> then later render it all to a file that I can use to rehearse
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> and after that, I can record it all from the ground up
09:49 <luke-jr> ...
09:49 <[NP]Tangent> basically, my plan is just to buy a Fantom Xa synth
09:49 <[NP]Tangent> you can sequence a bunch of stuff on that, then when you need more space, dump the MIDI data to your pc
09:51 <spidey> i really should clean my room
09:51 <spidey> but that means i have to take my network down, and move all of this shit =/
09:51 <spidey> and there's alot of stuff to move >.>
09:54 <spidey> #cnn 38256
09:54 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 31.0°F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Wind: N at 5 mph (8 km/h).
09:54 <spidey> always below freezing >.>
09:56 <spidey> #g freezing in C
09:56 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:57 <luke-jr> #g 32 F in C
09:57 <armabot> luke-jr: 32 degrees Fahrenheit = 0 degrees Celsius
09:57 <luke-jr> :p
09:57 <spidey> i know..
09:58 <luke-jr> #g 0 C in K
09:58 <armabot> luke-jr: 0 degrees Celsius = 273.15 kelvin
09:58 <spidey> #g 100000 k in f
09:58 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:58 <luke-jr> #g 100000 K in F
09:58 <spidey> #g 100000 K in F
09:58 <armabot> luke-jr: 100,000 kelvin = 179,540.33 degrees Fahrenheit
09:58 <armabot> spidey: 100,000 kelvin = 179,540.33 degrees Fahrenheit
09:59 <spidey> o.o
09:59 <spidey> #g 1 K in F
09:59 <armabot> spidey: 1 kelvin = -457.87 degrees Fahrenheit
09:59 <spidey> wow
09:59 <spidey> o.O
09:59 <luke-jr> #g 0 K in F
09:59 <armabot> luke-jr: 0 kelvin = -459.67 degrees Fahrenheit
09:59 <luke-jr> spidey: you don't understand kelvin, do you?
09:59 <spidey> no
09:59 <spidey> ;x
09:59 <luke-jr> 0 K is the coldest temperature physically possible
09:59 <luke-jr> it is the absolute absense of heat
10:00 <luke-jr> aka absolute zero
10:00 <luke-jr> it uses the same scale as Celcius though
10:00 <luke-jr> so
10:00 <luke-jr> #g 1 K in C
10:00 <armabot> luke-jr: 1 kelvin = -272.15 degrees Celsius
10:00 <luke-jr> #g 101 K in C
10:00 <armabot> luke-jr: 101 kelvin = -172.15 degrees Celsius
10:00 <spidey> hm
10:01 <spidey> #g -1 K in F
10:01 <luke-jr> basically, -1 K is impossible
10:01 <armabot> spidey: (-1) kelvin = -461.47 degrees Fahrenheit
10:01 <spidey> lol
10:01 <luke-jr> Hexadecimal temperature also has 0 at absolute zero
10:01 <luke-jr> but it has 0x100 at water boiling :p
10:02 <luke-jr> #g 100 C in K
10:02 <armabot> luke-jr: 100 degrees Celsius = 373.15 kelvin
10:02 <luke-jr> so 373.15 K is 0x100 hextemp
10:02 <luke-jr> approx 1.4575 K per hextemp
10:03 <luke-jr> err, maybe that's backward
10:03 <luke-jr> 1.4575 hextemp per K?
10:03 <luke-jr> yeah
10:03 <luke-jr> #g 31 C to K
10:03 <armabot> luke-jr: 31 degrees Celsius = 304.15 kelvin
10:04 <luke-jr> so the temperature for you is 0xD1
10:04 <luke-jr> #cnn 64150
10:04 <armabot> luke-jr: The current temperature in Gladstone, MO is 21.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Wind: N at 8 mph (13 km/h).
10:04 <spidey> ...
10:04 <luke-jr> #g 21 F in K
10:04 <spidey> no
10:04 <armabot> luke-jr: 21 degrees Fahrenheit = 267.038889 kelvin
10:04 <spidey> because that's celsius :p
10:04 <spidey> #g 31 F in L
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
10:04 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
10:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 39.2°F (3:03 AM CST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa (Rising). 
10:04 <spidey> #g 31 F in K
10:04 <armabot> spidey: 31 degrees Fahrenheit = 272.594444 kelvin
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> my wife fixed our heater
10:05 <luke-jr> 0xB7 here
10:05 <luke-jr> 0xBB for spidey
10:06 <luke-jr> #g 39.2 F in K
10:07 <armabot> luke-jr: 39.2 degrees Fahrenheit = 277.15 kelvin
10:07 <luke-jr> 0xBE for Luci
10:07 <spidey> i want a turkey
10:08 <luke-jr> ...
10:08 <spidey> ...
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10:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 273.15 K in C
10:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 273.15 kelvin = 0 degrees Celsius
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15:53 <Canada> Hello guys
15:54 <Canada> [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5931/tmmonkxs7.png[/IMG][/URL]
15:54 <Canada> oops 
15:55 <Canada> uhmm what time est is the ladle? 2:30?
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15:56 <madmax|pt> hello
15:57 <wrtlprnft> hi
15:59 <wrtlprnft> right now it's 15:00 GMT
16:00 <wrtlprnft> our first battle will be at 20:15 GMT
16:00 <wrtlprnft> so it's in 5 hours 15 minutes
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I should hurry up and do the stuff to the wiki I'd intended to do before the ladle starts?
16:02 <wrtlprnft> either that or wait until it's over :P
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's stuff that shouldn't affect whether or not the machine's running
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> I need to fix the reiser partitions on it, and I want to fix them by turning them into ext3 again
16:04 <wrtlprnft> :(
16:05 <wrtlprnft> ext sucks.
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> let's see, mtab is empty because the power went out and reiser couldn't handle it
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> ext3 can handle it
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> which one sucks again?
16:05 <madmax|pt> talking about filesystems ... glup
16:06  * madmax|pt has a simple one to do
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> so, I'm going with the filesystem I *know* can recover from a power outage, rather than the one that says it can, but doesn't actually do it
16:06 <wrtlprnft> mine always did
16:06 <wrtlprnft> and i have a notebook that runs out of power once in a while
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> well mine didn't, mine's borked
16:09 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's not reiser's fault :P
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16:15 <[dlh]> hmm, my wireless starting to act up.
16:15 <[dlh]> is starting*
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16:17 <wrtlprnft> guess it acted up again :P
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16:49 <Lucifer_arma> why would mtab be empty?
16:52 <wrtlprnft> dunno
16:52 <wrtlprnft> it is if you chroot…
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17:14 <Lucifer_arma> aha, figured it out
17:14 <Lucifer_arma> and, heh, it wasn't the filesystem's problem
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17:21 <ghableska> #weather 50265
17:21 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 12.2°F (9:54 AM CST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: -5.8°F. Pressure: 30.67 in 1038 hPa. 
17:21 <Canada> hey ghab
17:21 <Canada> #weather Washington DC
17:21 <armabot> Canada: The current temperature in Washington, District of Columbia is 41.0°F (10:52 AM EST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.49 in 1032 hPa. 
17:22 <Canada> fix bug please its 11:22, not 10:52
17:22 <Canada> times are skrewed
17:22 <Canada> #weather new york new york
17:22 <armabot> Canada: The current temperature in Central Park, New York is 42.8°F (10:51 AM EST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 30.47 in 1032 hPa. 
17:25 <Lucifer_arma> saying "please" doesn't make something polite
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17:30 <Durka> #hello
17:30 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: [The French Riviera is] a sunny place for shady people. || -- Somerset Maugham
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17:36 <Canada> ELLO 
17:36 <Canada> SO whens the ladle?
17:36 <Canada> tell me~~~
17:36 <Canada> or il kill you
17:36 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/nano/nano_sumo-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
17:38 <Durka> w00t
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> fuck off
17:38 <Durka> i had some problems with that map on the nano server...now everything is fixed :D
17:39  * Durka Lucifer_arma
17:39 <Canada> lucifer is a meanie person, dont listen to crickets in meanie peoples heads
17:41 <ghableska> #armaservers
17:41 <armabot> ghableska: Norm's Place (11 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (7 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (4 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (4 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (4 players) || (1 more message)
17:42 <[NP]Tangent> Canada, just because Lucifer_arma is smarter than you are, doesn't mean you have to insult him
17:42 <Canada> i dont even know who the hell you are
17:43 <[NP]Tangent> good
17:43 <[NP]Tangent> I don't want you to know who I am
17:43 <[NP]Tangent> now go bother someone else
17:44 <Durka> i barely even know who tangent is :)
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17:47 <Durka> hi sticky
17:47 <Durka> #hello _Sticky_
17:47 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Q: What do little WASPs want to be when they grow up? || A: The very best person they can possibly be.
17:47 <Durka> lol
17:48 <[NP]Tangent> dudeman
17:48 <[NP]Tangent> I got the weirdest fortune in a fortune cookie
17:48 <[NP]Tangent> "The onion you are eating is someone else's water lilly."
17:48 <ghableska> o.0
17:49 <[NP]Tangent> what the fuck is that supposed to mean, anyways?
17:49 <[NP]Tangent> seriously
17:49 <ghableska> one man's trash is another man's treasure?
17:49 <madmax|pt> this is fun
17:49 <[NP]Tangent> but I like onions
17:50 <_Sticky_> hay
17:50 <ghableska> ok, one man's treasure is another man's treasure
17:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6470 /private/z-man/clio/ (20 files):
17:51 <armabot> armagetronad: Added possibility to inject io code into wrapped classes.
17:51 <armabot> armagetronad: Used it to make return by non-const reference transparent: except for a set() method that assigns to the referenced value, the returned object behaves like a regular object.
17:52 <Lucifer_arma> he's just mad because I expect him to behave like any other civilized person, but as a regular generic American, he can't, and he knows it
17:53 <ghableska> XD
17:53 <Lucifer_arma> wow, this backup job has been running a long time
17:53 <[NP]Tangent> generic Americans aren't civilized?
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> so, for future reference, if your power goes out and you use say a USB drive that has its own power source, and you don't turn it back on with your server,
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> your root partition will fill up next time your backup script runs
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, generic Americans aren't civilized
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> they're very rude and uncouth people
17:55 <[NP]Tangent> am I rude and uncouth?
17:55 <ghableska> heh
17:55 <ghableska> are you? :P
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> are you a generic American?
17:55 <[NP]Tangent> well, I'm American, but when I'm done with school I'm getting my ass out of here
17:56 <[NP]Tangent> I can't deal with people here
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> are they rude and uncouth?
17:56 <[NP]Tangent> yes
17:56 <[NP]Tangent> and stupid
17:56 <[NP]Tangent> I work at a fast food restaurant
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> so am I right, or am I not right?  :)
17:56 <[NP]Tangent> I have actually gotten this question
17:57 <ghableska> [NP]Tangent: where is here?
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> man, the worst people go to fast food places
17:57 <[NP]Tangent> "Why does your low carb burger have no bun?"
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> I used to work at a Sonic that has 4 lanes for ordering, but only one window
17:57 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer_arma, we get either really smart people, or really stupid people
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> every half hour or so you'd get the person who felt all self-important and wouldn't wait to be called to drive up
17:57 <[NP]Tangent> or really arrogant people.
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> he'd cut off everyone in his hurry to get his food
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> but his food took 3-5 minutes to cook, so people whose orders were ready had to wait for the ass to get out of the way
17:58 <[NP]Tangent> yeah, people here don't have room to do that
17:58 <[NP]Tangent> the last time I saw a guy in a hurry, he almost drove his car into the wall
17:59 <[NP]Tangent> he complained that our manager was an idiot
17:59 <Lucifer_arma> for putting the wall there?
17:59 <[NP]Tangent> no, for putting his food in one bag rather than fifteen
17:59 <[NP]Tangent> you don't need one bag for each item of food
17:59 <[NP]Tangent> the fries don't weigh enough to crush the sandwiches, that's why they go on top!
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> what, he wanted his tater tots individually wrapped?
18:00 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer_arma, pretty much
18:01 <[dlh]> he was in a hurry, but had time to complain?
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> we had this lady come in one time and complain that her hamburger didn't have any meat on it
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> we all got a good laugh about it.  I mean, what burger place serves a hamburger without any meat?
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> so the manager brought it back and there wasn't a meat patty on it!
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> there was grease, and the grill booger that manages to be on the bottom of every meat patty
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> so we decided she ate it or fed it to her dog or something and was just freeloading
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> an hour later when I went to sweep under the bread rack, there was an unexplained meat patty laying there...
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18:03 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the grill boy got so excited putting that meat patty on there that he failed to grip it properly with the top bun, jerked the spatula out, and flung it behind him
18:10 <Canada> lol
18:30 <Canada> hello mr. cricket says hi
18:32 <_Sticky_> hay
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18:36 <Durka> #hello
18:37 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Q: What is the difference between a duck? || A: One leg is both the same.
18:37  * pavelo doesnt get it
18:40 <Durka> #armaservers
18:40 <armabot> Durka: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
18:40 <Durka> awwwwwwww
18:40 <Durka> WRTL!!!!!
18:40 <Durka> #armaservers
18:41 <armabot> Durka: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
18:41 <Durka> :(|
18:41 <_Sticky_> heh
18:42 <Lucifer_arma> why does postfix block courier?
18:42 <wrtlprnft> Durka: 
18:42 <wrtlprnft> Durka: blame guru3, he's running that feed
18:42 <wrtlprnft> :P
18:42 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-212-209-112.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
18:43  * Lucifer_arma is a prick
18:45 <Lucifer_arma> emerge -C canada
18:45  * Durka Lucifer_arma
18:45 <Lucifer_arma> you want me to start my script again, Durka?
18:46 <Durka> actually i kinda do :)
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> sicko
18:55 <_Sticky_> #ar,aservers
18:56 <_Sticky_> #armaservers
18:56 <armabot> _Sticky_: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (12 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || Norm's Place (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (9 players) || Strawberry Fields (8 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (8 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || (1 more message)
19:00 -!- Pez [n=5298247f@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
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19:04 <_Sticky_> is there a commant to locate a player
19:05 <madmax|pt> #lastseen madmax
19:05 <armabot> madmax|pt: madmax has last been seen on -=|LoD|=- Sumo Temporary Server 0 days 4 hours 13 minutes ago.
19:05 <_Sticky_> ahh nice
19:05 <_Sticky_> #lastseen 2020
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
19:05 <_Sticky_> ty
19:05 <armabot> _Sticky_: 2020 has last been seen on wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress 0 days 21 hours 17 minutes ago.
19:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: CTF - Lucifer has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 6 hours 50 minutes ago.
19:05 <madmax|pt> #seen 2020
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> Imposter!
19:05 <armabot> madmax|pt: I have not seen 2020.
19:06  * Lucifer_arma hasn't played arma in a couple of months
19:06 <madmax|pt> "CTF - Lucifer" oO
19:06 <_Sticky_> hmm now all we need is an alert system when they do log into a server
19:06 <Lucifer_arma> it's obviously a fake since I'd never be a part of a clan
19:07 <_Sticky_> #help
19:07 <armabot> _Sticky_: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
19:08 <_Sticky_> what powers that bot
19:08 <Lucifer_arma> electricity?
19:09 <_Sticky_> :-P
19:09  * _Sticky_ slaps Lucifer_arma around a bit with a large trout
19:09  * Lucifer_arma suggests _Sticky_ (hi there!) ask a more meaningful question
19:10 <_Sticky_> ok...what program is running that bot
19:11 <Canada> hey sticky
19:11 <_Sticky_> hay
19:12 <Canada> how are you
19:12 <_Sticky_> not bad...you?
19:12 <Canada> fine
19:13 <_Sticky_> know where 2020 is??
19:13 <Canada> he doesnt go on irc chat
19:14 <_Sticky_> im sure hes been here before
19:14 <Canada> trust me, he wont miss the ladle, he just doesnt come an hour early
19:14 <Canada> well he has
19:14 <Canada>  but he only comes on when he has to
19:15 <Canada> like when the leaders of the teams had to come to irc chat
19:15 <_Sticky_> ahh
19:15 <Canada> since hes leader of (TM)... 
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19:15 <Durka> wheres zman
19:15 <Canada> hey durka
19:16 <Durka> hi
19:16 <Canada> he just kicks noobs from the server
19:16 <Canada> he sucks at armagetron... lol
19:16 <Canada> the sad thing is he sucks at it and he made armagetron
19:16 <Durka> canada: join the ladle room
19:16 <_Sticky_> i did quite like the idea of some sort of voice comms system for the ladel...would certainly aid organisation too.  typing lag seems to cause alot of problems while organising
19:16 <Canada> how
19:16 <Durka> type: /join #arma-ladle
19:17 <Durka> assuming ur using my applet
19:17 <_Sticky_> team leaders only??
19:17 <Durka> just join
19:17 <Canada> im using someone elses
19:17 <Durka> mine
19:17 <Canada> wait
19:17 <Canada> yeah
19:17 <Durka> lol
19:27 -!- Nixda502 [n=d5d9c2b0@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
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19:28 <i2020> hey all
19:28 <i2020> could be a good tournament today
19:28 <pavelo> hi 2020
19:28 <i2020> hi pav, how are you?
19:29 <pavelo> its fine
19:29 <pavelo> most of the others are on arma-ladle
19:30 <pavelo> come there
19:32 <Canada> hey guys
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19:36 <_Sticky_> hay
19:36 <Legit> hey
19:36 <_Sticky_> most people in arma-ladle
19:37 <Durka> hi
19:38 <_Sticky_> bonjour
19:38 <Durka> legit: type /join #arma-ladle
19:43 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-36-178-146.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
19:44 <DrJoeTron> fucking bf2
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19:52 -!- |TuI| is now known as TuI
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19:54 -!- ketamine is now known as gumdropsgood
19:56 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
19:56 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 42.4°F (12:56 PM CST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 30.68 in 1038.8 hPa. 
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19:58 <DrJoeTron> you bastard and your warmness
19:58 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60056
19:58 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 15.8°F (12:52 PM CST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 6.8°F. Windchill: 3.2°F. Pressure: 30.50 in 1033 hPa. 
19:59 -!- Arma67 [n=Arma67@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2k1-229.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #armagetron
19:59 <DrJoeTron> i mean come on
19:59 -!- Arma67 is now known as tuiHash
19:59 <gumdropsgood> that's cold
19:59 <tuiHash> goody
19:59 <gumdropsgood> wtf you want
19:59 <tuiHash> type /join #tui-chat
19:59 -!- Arma33 [n=Arma33@S010600045acfc6b0.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
19:59 <DrJoeTron> mother of god
20:00 -!- Arma33 is now known as Gh
20:00 <DrJoeTron> this game isn't  THAT popular
20:00 -!- Durka [n=Arma61@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2k1-229.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
20:00 <DrJoeTron> half of these people must be rapists
20:00 -!- tuiHash is now known as Durka
20:00 -!- Gh is now known as Beans
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20:01 <Durka> hi van
20:01 <Vanhayes> hello
20:01 <madmax|pt> what the
20:01 <madmax|pt> all these lines ><
20:01 <madmax|pt> hi van
20:01 <DrJoeTron> i know!
20:01 <DrJoeTron> its not even people talking
20:01 <DrJoeTron> its just people logging in for the sake of
20:02 <Durka> we are crazy
20:02 <gumdropsgood> they are doing it just to bother you
20:02 <madmax|pt> I bet
20:02 -!- Pez [n=5298247f@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC"]
20:03 <DrJoeTron> holy fuck
20:03 <DrJoeTron> you CAN learn ANYTHING on the internet
20:03 <DrJoeTron> http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-with-Having-a-Big-Butt-as-a-12-Year-Old
20:04 <madmax|pt> that sounds ... odd
20:04 <madmax|pt> "Tips: Love yourself!"
20:05 -!- gumdropsgood [n=TuI73@h191.167.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
20:05 <madmax|pt> how do you find these things DrJoeTron ?
20:05 -!- TuI22 [n=TuI22@h191.167.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has joined #armagetron
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20:06 -!- gumdropsgood [n=TuI22@h191.167.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20:06 <Durka> lol
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20:08 <Canada> drjoetron, why do you hate me?
20:08 -!- Vanhayes1 [n=lamb--ch@stjhnbsu83w-156034244113.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
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20:08 -!- Vanhayes1 is now known as Vanhayes
20:08 <Beans> because you are canadian and that is all ameriacns do is blame canada
20:09 <Vanhayes> he isnt canadian
20:09 <Beans> lol then why is his name Canada
20:09 <Vanhayes> Cause he likes it I think
20:09 <Durka> lol
20:09 <luke-jr> woohoo I'm +u
20:09 <luke-jr> :p
20:10 <Beans> wow yellow writing is really annoying
20:10 <luke-jr> it's gold
20:10 <luke-jr> foo
20:10 <Durka> blue!
20:10 <Vanhayes> looks yellow
20:10 <madmax|pt> whats u?
20:11 <Canada> im not canadian
20:11 <Beans> wow way to be an hour behind
20:11 <DrJoeTron> hey you know whats great?
20:11 <Beans> now im a flamer
20:11 <DrJoeTron> not typing in color and closet homophobics?
20:11 <Beans> are you trying to come out of the closet Joe?
20:12 <DrJoeTron> i quite the queer, and half massive orgies with 50 year olds
20:12 <DrJoeTron> check out my site
20:12 <DrJoeTron> www.lemonparty.org
20:12 <Beans> I'm not going to that
20:12 <DrJoeTron> your call
20:13 <DrJoeTron> Hi Canada, thats some hello you have for me
20:13 -!- Durka is now known as testestest
20:13 -!- testestest is now known as Durka
20:13 <Durka> sry
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20:14 <Beans> damn
20:14 <Durka> lol
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20:15 <DrJoeTron> Canada i don't hate you, i just rip into you when you say something incredibly unintelligent :D
20:15 -!- Canada is now known as [
20:15 <Beans> which is almost everytime you type somthing
20:15 <DrJoeTron> lately?
20:15 <DrJoeTron> yup!
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20:15 <wrtlprnft> Beans: stfu w/ your colors
20:15 -!- Sash1 [n=Sasha@87.240.13.48] has joined #armagetron
20:15 <Beans> do i gotta?
20:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah
20:16 <DrJoeTron> you do
20:16 -!- [ is now known as [TM]
20:16 <Beans> lol ok
20:16 <DrJoeTron> can ya buddy?
20:16 <Sash1> hi all
20:16 -!- G5_Ger [n=G5_Ger@dslb-084-056-159-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
20:16 <Beans> their now im black aagain
20:16 -!- [TM] is now known as [TM]Canada
20:16 <DrJoeTron> thanks
20:16 <Sash1> What about Ladle 6?
20:16 -!- Arma71 [n=Arma71@dslb-084-056-159-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
20:16 <Sash1> Only oops vs. TuIO in quarter?
20:16 <Durka> ya
20:16 -!- Arma71 is now known as G5
20:17 <Sash1> ok
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20:18 <DrJoeTron> man i gotta learn how to wake up earklier
20:18 <DrJoeTron> and how to type.
20:18 -!- Vanhayes [n=lamb--ch@stjhnbsu83w-156034245053.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
20:18 <[TM]Canada> hello van
20:18 <Vanhayes> hi
20:19 <wrtlprnft> hi
20:19 <G5_Ger> Hi
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20:20 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:20 <DrJoeTron> hypothetical question boys
20:20 <DrJoeTron> what would you rather have
20:20 <gumdropsgood> immortality
20:21 <DrJoeTron> flight: up 200MPH and if you flight tou high you pass out and plummit to your death.
20:21 <DrJoeTron> invisibility but your clothes aren't, its just you.
20:22 <gumdropsgood> taht's good
20:22 <gumdropsgood> i'd take that
20:22 <DrJoeTron> underwater breathing
20:22 <gumdropsgood> you can just go naked everywhere
20:22 <DrJoeTron> with pressure resistance
20:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah your right
20:22 <DrJoeTron> ok
20:22 <madmax|pt> i always wanted subzero's powers
20:22 <madmax|pt> those would be nice
20:22 <DrJoeTron> if you pick invisibile you become diagnosed with lymphoma
20:22 <gumdropsgood> i thought raiden was really better
20:23 <gumdropsgood> hodgkin's or non hodgkin's?
20:23 <DrJoeTron> raiden was way to fucking over powered
20:23 <DrJoeTron> so he was amazing
20:23 <gumdropsgood> exactly, joe
20:23 <DrJoeTron> and i used h im every chance i got
20:23 <DrJoeTron> but my god
20:23 <madmax|pt> aw, ice is nice
20:23 <DrJoeTron> he was the cheapest character
20:23 <DrJoeTron> cheaper tahn god dam sector
20:24  * DrJoeTron imma shoot missiles hurrr!!!
20:24 <DrJoeTron> kabal was a creep too
20:25 <madmax|pt> Rain had that 'lightning from above' power that was nice too
20:25 -!- Beans [n=Arma33@S010600045acfc6b0.vn.shawcable.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
20:25 <DrJoeTron> shit man
20:25 <DrJoeTron> i wanna get a damn wii
20:26 <DrJoeTron> they added Ristar to the virtual console :/
20:27 -!- _Sticky_ is now known as [TM]Stivky
20:27 -!- [TM]Stivky is now known as [TM]Sticky
20:27 <DrJoeTron> TM?
20:28 <DrJoeTron> that better be The Monsters.
20:28 <DrJoeTron> because that would be awesome
20:28 <DrJoeTron> or is it something incredibly lame
20:32 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || Norm's Place (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (10 players) || Strawberry Fields (9 players) || Z-Man's Tournament Fortress (8 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (8 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< (7 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (7 players) || (1 more message)
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20:35 <[TM]Sticky> #serverinfo Z-Man's
20:35 <armabot> [TM]Sticky: Z-Man's Tournament Fortress: Players (12/32): G5, Recorder, TUI|SeBoL158, TuI~ Rico, TuI~LacrYmosa, TµÎ~ X ~, TµÎ«Ghß	°¯Hay-L, Z-Man, ~tui~ ketamine, ¦SuI¦}¦Gash¦, °¯AshitakA, °°qedice
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20:54 <mkzelda> is there some sort of tourney today?
20:54 <Vanhayes> ladle
20:55 <Vanhayes> 6th one i think
20:55 <mkzelda> already start?
20:55 -!- eggcozy [n=46269f2a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
20:55 <eggcozy> ahoy
20:55 <madmax|pt> hello
20:55 <mkzelda> im actually available today
20:55 <eggcozy> you there maz?
20:55 <pavelo> hi egg
20:55 <MaZuffeR> yep
20:56 <eggcozy> hya, whats the word?
20:56 <eggcozy> we playing?
20:56 <MaZuffeR> i'm trying to find infamous and newbie, we can start after that
20:56 <pavelo> eggcozy: come to wrtl's tournament server
20:56 <eggcozy> ok
20:57 <pavelo> we are gathering there
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20:59 <mkzelda> >:/ my tron will only do either 320x240 or 2560x1024
20:59 <mkzelda> fullscreen
21:00 <z-man> oops TUI 0:1
21:00 <z-man> it's 5 vs 7 players right now.
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21:01 <madmax|pt> who's the recorder?
21:01 <z-man> me
21:01 <z-man> I hope I find time to actually post the recording this time :)
21:03 <luke-jr> mkzelda: erm
21:04 <luke-jr> mkzelda: MergedFB?
21:07 <ghableska> #armaservers
21:07 <armabot> ghableska: Z-Man's Tournament Fortress (15 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (14 players) || wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress (12 players) || Norm's Place (11 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (6 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (6 players) || -=}ID< (1 more message)
21:07 <ghableska> #serverdetails Z-Man
21:07 <armabot> ghableska: Z-Man's Tournament Fortress: Players (15/16): dookatee |DpG|, Recorder, TUI|SeBoL158, TuI~ Rico, Tµi~ßtd, TµÍ ~ X ~, TµÍ¬Fhß, Z-Man, ~tui~ ketamine, ¦TuI¦~¦Hash¦	Tu, °¯AshitakA, °¯redice, °¯Santa, °°F5, °°Gay-Lin
21:07 <ghableska> #serverdetails wrtl
21:07 <armabot> ghableska: wrtlprnft's ladle/tournament fortress: Players (14/32): (TM) Hyphy Leo, Kamakazi, nemostultae??, newbÎd/\??, Vanhayes, [??] eggcozy, [??] pavelo, [??]MaZuffeR, [??]Pez, [TM] Legit, [TM] one, [TM] wrtlprnft, [TM] ¢`nada, [TM]Sticky
21:10 <z-man> TUI won.
21:17 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:18 <wrtlprnft> tui vs ?? should be interesting then
21:18 <ghableska> ?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> why the f** is it lagging? I don't get it
21:28 <luke-jr> your server?
21:28 <luke-jr> lagging or spontaneous lag?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> well, high pings
21:28 <wrtlprnft> #serverinfo chico
21:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (5/8): Arc, BMW Dude, ct|loops, Jamie, meriton
21:28 <wrtlprnft> #serverinfo ess caf
21:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: No online players.
21:29 <luke-jr> so just regular latency
21:30 <z-man> TUI SP 1:0
21:30 <madmax|pt> how many SPs?
21:31 <z-man> 9
21:32 <wrtlprnft> #serverinfo z-man
21:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Z-Man's Tournament Fortress, Tornament going on.: Players (19/32): emphasis, Recorder, TuI~ Rico, TuI~dookatee, TuI~LacrYmosa, Tµh~ßud, TµÍ ~ X ~, TµÍ¬Fhß, Z-Man, ~*SP*~ D3M0N, ~*SP*~<y<lo, ~*SP*~joda.bot, ~*SP*~Oblivion, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy, ~*SP*~Sasha, ~*SP*~Speed, ~*SP*~viper~, ~tui~ ketamine, ¦TuI¦~¦Hash¦	~*
21:35 <wrtlprnft> ?? 1 : 0 TM
21:35 <ghableska> #weather 50265
21:35 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 17.6°F (1:54 PM CST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 1.4°F. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa. 
21:41 <z-man> TUI 2:0 SP
21:41 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:41 <wrtlprnft> so it will be tui vs ??
21:41 <z-man> That's good, 20 minutes of potty break.
21:42 <z-man> looks like it
21:43 <z-man> awww noooo! Destroyed the recording :(
21:43 <wrtlprnft> so_O
21:43 <ghableska> O_O
21:43 <luke-jr> z-man: you're fired
21:43 <z-man> only of the semi, but still
21:43 <luke-jr> :p
21:44 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: who did TM lose to?
21:44 <luke-jr> z-man: can you review an announcement before I send it?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> well
21:44 <wrtlprnft> we're about to lose to ??
21:44 <z-man> better post the quarter before I destroy that, too
21:44 <ghableska> ah
21:44 <luke-jr> z-man: chattr +i *?
21:44 <z-man> luke-jr: why don't you post it into devstaff only?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> ok
21:44 <wrtlprnft> now ?? won officially
21:45 <wrtlprnft> 2:0
21:45 <ghableska> ooooh
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21:46 -!- Arma68 is now known as Canada
21:46 <Canada> Damn we lost
21:46 <wrtlprnft> I really want to know what's wrong with my server...
21:46 <luke-jr> z-man: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=116561#116561
21:46 <Canada> :(
21:46 <ghableska> http://www.planetside.co.uk/terragen/tg2/tech_preview.shtml <-- about time :)
21:47 <Canada> we prolly lost cause one was lagging so much
21:47 <wrtlprnft> nah
21:47 <wrtlprnft> we lost because we were unorganized
21:47 <wrtlprnft> and i was tired
21:47 <Vanhayes> ok got the recording of SS vs TM, looks alot better than I thought it would
21:47 <Canada> can you post it?
21:47 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: post it
21:47 <Vanhayes> will do
21:47 <Canada> who were you spectatoring?
21:48 <wrtlprnft> mail it to me if it's too big
21:48 <Canada> like following
21:48  * wrtlprnft @ /me . de
21:48 <Canada> mm
21:48 <Canada> can you mail it to me toragwanderer@yahoo.com
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21:49 <Canada> im just sad we lost :(
21:49 <Canada> :,(
21:50 <wrtlprnft> that was forseeable
21:50 <Canada> yeah
21:51 <Canada> van, is it to big to post?
21:51 <Canada> brb
21:51 <Vanhayes> should I post it in the ladle thread or a new one?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: probably too big to post?
21:51 <Vanhayes> its 2.1 MB I think that will fit
21:51 <wrtlprnft> post it on the wiki?
21:52 <Canada> yeah cause i really want to watch it
21:52 <Canada>  how long is it
21:53 <Vanhayes> as long as the match
21:53 <Canada> how long was it
21:53 <Canada> i wasnt paying attention
21:53 <Canada> to the time
21:53 <Vanhayes> I havent played threw the whole thing yet, but id say 20-30 minutes
21:53 <Vanhayes> maybe more
21:54 <Canada> van, who did you record as watching when wrtl died
21:54 <Vanhayes> I watched the middles or close to then switched to whichever def was being attacked
21:54 <Canada> mm
21:55 <Canada> did you get any of me ? lol
21:55 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: grr, it's best if you don't press any keys, but w/e
21:55 <wrtlprnft> you *can* use the turn keys to switch while playing back
21:55 <Vanhayes> oh ya
21:55 <Vanhayes> heh opps
21:55 <Legit> do u hsot that server we was n wrtl?
21:55 <Canada> Van, you get any stuff of me? cause i want to watch myself
21:55 <Canada> yeah 
21:55 <Canada> well
21:56 <Canada> its his server
21:56 <Canada>  and a company hosts it
21:56 <Canada> that way there isnt as much lag
21:56 <Vanhayes> Canada: you can switch to yourself if you want
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21:57 <Canada> it kicked me from the channel
21:57 <Canada> wireless internet sucks :P
21:57 <Canada> how can i switch to me when its playing
21:57 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: oh ya, for some reason it was only the servers hosted by the company you use that I had a high ping, it was weird
21:58 <Canada> wrtl what company hosts your servers
21:58 <Legit> i thoguht wrtls server is the msot stablest
21:59 <Canada> alll i know is one lives in uk so when im on his server i lag a ton and when hes on like say wrtl's he lags a ton
21:59 <Canada> or
21:59 <Canada> where is he from if he isnt from uk
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21:59 <[TM]Sticky> anywhere eles
21:59 <Canada> lol
21:59 <[TM]Sticky> by definition
22:00 <Legit> i lagged bout 4 times the whole time
22:00 <wrtlprnft> i don't know what's wrong
22:00 <[TM]Sticky> yeah the lag was a BITCH
22:00 <wrtlprnft> maybe too many servers
22:00 <Canada> hes from the future... lol
22:00 <wrtlprnft> i'll take down the 4 team styball and the ctf
22:00 <[TM]Sticky> what connection / spec pc??
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22:01 <Canada> wrtl, you should have done that before
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22:01 <Commn> woo
22:01 <Canada> hey durka
22:01 <Commn> fun match
22:01 <Canada> who are you
22:01 <Commn> <~ kamakazi
22:01 <Canada> oh
22:01 <Canada> key
22:01 <Canada> hey**
22:01 <Canada> you were beast in kills kama
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22:01 <Commn> lol
22:01 <wrtlprnft> well, the servers were empty at the time of the match
22:01 <Commn> sorry i coulndnt help you win canada 
22:02 <Canada> its fine
22:02 <Canada> we would have lost worse if we didnt have you
22:02 <Canada> you were beast 
22:03 <Canada> but
22:03 <Canada> pez was good def
22:03 <Canada>  so
22:03 <Canada>  ....
22:03 <Canada> lol
22:03 <[TM]Sticky> who are you commn??
22:03 <Commn> i got killed not by his def
22:03 <Canada> kama
22:03 <Commn> but by his sweepers
22:03 <[TM]Sticky> ahh
22:03 <Canada> commn = kamakazi
22:03 <Canada> i played sweeper the first match
22:03 <Canada> then i played mid field match 2
22:04 <Canada> i did way better first match
22:04 <Canada> ?? deserved their win
22:04 <Commn> they played fair, one man down, and without winzone
22:04 -!- [TM]Sticky is now known as _Sticky_
22:04 <Canada> winzone was a pretty gay rule for the ladle
22:05 <Canada> who made ladle rules
22:05 <Vanhayes> it has been there since the sppon tho
22:05 <Vanhayes> spoon*
22:05 <Commn> you are just jealous you didnt get a chance to use it canada ;p
22:05 <Canada>  lol
22:05 <Commn> stay alive for winzone!
22:05 <Commn> ;p
22:05 <ghableska> #fortune
22:05 <armabot> Random Fortune: His honour rooted in dishonour stood, || And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true. || -Alfred Lord Tennyson
22:06 <Canada> cause when i lived to the end i would be last left and i suck at def so they would get into the zone and win before i could hit winzone... the win zone only came up once in both matches though
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22:07 <Canada> i cant wait to watch van's recording
22:07 <Commn> haha
22:07 <Commn> how does one watch a recording?
22:07 <Commn> i never done it
22:07 <Vanhayes> armagetron playback
22:07 <Canada> he hasnt posted it yet, its like 2 mbs
22:07 <Canada> van, is it to big to post?
22:07 <Vanhayes> its 2.1 and the limit is 2 so...
22:08 <Canada> thats gay
22:08 <Canada> post it on wiki
22:08 <Canada> and send link of which wiki page its on
22:08 <wrtlprnft> or mail it to me
22:09 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: what your e-mail?
22:09  * wrtlprnft @ /me . de
22:10 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: do you want the zip or the actual recording?
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i'd bz2 it
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i don't care about the compression
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22:15 <_Sticky_> can i get a copy of some of the logs?
22:16 <_Sticky_> hay legit whats the scor od tu - ss
22:18 <Canada> van, can you email to me, toragwanderer@yahoo.com and make it so all i have to do is download it and watch it, or make it so i can watch it with windows media player
22:18 <Vanhayes> wow hotmail is really craping out on me today
22:19 <Vanhayes> Canada: I cant make it so it will play on wmp
22:19 <Canada> kk
22:19 <Canada> then what ever
22:19 <Legit> 1-0 ss is winnin
22:19 <Canada> just make it so i can watch it
22:19 <Canada> ss is beating tui?
22:19 <_Sticky_> even game??
22:19 <Canada> mmmm
22:20 <_Sticky_> ss was my guess as tournamnet winners
22:20 <Legit> tui has 1 more player
22:20 <Legit> me2
22:20 <Canada> if we went against ps we might have beat them
22:20 <Vanhayes> ya they have the best team Id say
22:20 <Canada> pez rocks at def
22:20 <_Sticky_> doubt it
22:20 <Legit> they suck, they dont attack
22:20 <_Sticky_> we had a pretty shocking gmae
22:21 <ii2020> van.. you recorded our game?
22:21 <Legit> if we had a betetr def i would attack i always pwn pez def
22:21 <Canada> heh
22:21 <Legit> noone culd or wanted to def so i did
22:21 <Vanhayes> ii2020: ya i did, its too big to go on forums as is, so I sent it to wrtlprnft
22:21 <Canada> yeah he did, z-man recorded all the rest of the games
22:22 <Canada> van, can you email it to me
22:22 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: didn't get anything yet
22:22 <ii2020> brilliant! i mean... worst game in history! hehehe
22:22 <Canada> one, you just had a ton of lag
22:22 <Canada> if you had a ok ping we might have won
22:22 <ii2020> yes... not the biggest problem though
22:22 <Legit> i thought we did good, us n tui have about the same scores as we did vs them
22:22 <Canada> yeah
22:23 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: hotmail is having problems today it seems, I just sent it
22:23 <Canada> ss just has a great team
22:23 <ii2020> legit.. will you play for tm again>?
22:23 <Canada> 2020, you're already pulling together a team for next time?
22:23 <ii2020> i want to be a little more certain for the future so i don't accept.... hmmm how can i put this...?
22:24 <ii2020> canada... um... hmmm... 
22:24 <Legit> sure, i think tm is gettin better  (as a team)
22:24 <ii2020> ? what after that game?
22:24 <Canada> lol you can say people like me, i know i suck
22:24 <ii2020> heheheeheh
22:24 <Legit> just need mor eplayers to stay alive so its not 4 vs 1
22:24 <ii2020> canada... it is not that you suck... it is that you need to find a team where your thinking matches your teammates thinking
22:24 <ii2020> you get me?
22:25 <Canada> aka i suck
22:25 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: ah ill try that again looks like it didnt get thru
22:25 <Canada> lol
22:25 <ii2020> so when you pull off your crazy moves... well your team mates know that... and they are playing the same way...
22:25 <Canada> its ok... i havnt been playing near as long as any of you guys, and im in need of more training
22:25 <ii2020> honestly... could be the most amazing defence...
22:25 <Canada> 5 months isnt really enough
22:25 <ii2020> completely unpredictable
22:26 <Legit> imma buy a nice graphic card soon so i dont lag as much as i normally do
22:26 <ii2020> ok legit... stick your name on the wiki please... on the front page of tronic monkeys...
22:26 <Legit> whats the site
22:26 <ii2020> i hope to get 8 committed players by the next ladle
22:27 <Canada> but 2020, il promise il train well, and maybe in a few months i can be good enough to match up to some of you guys
22:27 <ii2020> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Tronic_Monkeys
22:27 <madmax|pt> reminds me of a double def one day. i was inner def, so, i thought i would turn around and circle to the other side, the outer guy freaked out and almost killed me, guess he wasnt predicting that :P
22:27 <Legit> canada ill train u how to grind hard :)
22:27 <_Sticky_> surely graphics cant be why your lagging...compaired to the net lag it would be a piss in the ocean
22:27 <Canada> :D
22:28 <Canada> i need a new computer, hopfully il get one for christmas, but im prolly getting a bass guitar, so i dont think i can get a nice computer AND a bass guitar
22:28 <ii2020> ok canada... let's practice this month some time... and with legit offering his help and me too... we can get this grinding down
22:28 <_Sticky_> hehe grinding 101
22:28 <ii2020> but really... i think it is not the computer, and not even simple grind, but something about how your mind works...
22:28 <ii2020> what do you do in the real world?
22:29 <Canada> what do you mean?
22:29 <Canada> im 12... i dont work
22:29 <Canada> im in school
22:29 <ii2020> ahhhhhhhh
22:29 <Canada> lol
22:29 <ii2020> now it makes sense hehehhe
22:29 <madmax|pt> lol
22:29 <ii2020> you are 12!
22:29 <Legit> practice sumo canada i bet ull egt good
22:29 <_Sticky_> yeah i play at 30fps on a laptop over wifi...the quality of the pc doesnt realy matter
22:29 <ii2020> hehaha
22:29 <ii2020> hehehahaha
22:29 <ii2020> cool
22:29 <Canada> anyone wanna go lod sumo?
22:29 <ii2020> ok
22:29 <ii2020> heheheh
22:29 <Legit> i practiced sumo alot and then 1 day jsut got awesome at it
22:29 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:29 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:29 <Legit> now i use it n fortress
22:29 <madmax|pt> Legit has a typo problem!
22:30 <Canada> bye wrtl
22:30 <_Sticky_> cya
22:30 <Legit> yes i do, i used to never have that problem until i started playin tron lol
22:30 <Canada> if anyone wants to talk im going to practice in lod sumo
22:30 <ii2020> ok bye
22:30 <madmax|pt> :)
22:30 <Legit> i will after tui vs ss
22:30 <ii2020> hehehehahaha
22:31 <ii2020> i can't stop laughing
22:31 <Legit> y :-/
22:31 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: ah, seems that it just wont go thru, no clue why.
22:31 <ii2020> 12! hehehe
22:32 <ii2020> i was wondering... i mean... i knew it wasn't just grinding.... hmmm how on earth do you teach a 12 year old about tactics?
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22:32 <ii2020> well if he sticks at it, he will be the world's best at 15
22:33 <ii2020> hi ghableska could have done with you today 
22:34 <ii2020> so anyone know what the score was between tui and sp?
22:35 <ghableska> hi 2020 
22:35 <Legit> winzones r allowed n ladleS?
22:35 <ghableska> nah, I doubt it
22:35 <Legit> ss jsut hit one lol
22:36 <ii2020> oh yes
22:36 <ghableska> who won?
22:36 <ii2020> ?? did
22:36 <Legit> 1-1 ss winning so far n 3rd
22:36 <ghableska> ok
22:36 <ii2020> are you sure you can't commit to play for the tronic monkeys?
22:36 <Legit> best of 5 tho i think
22:37 <Legit> i need site to put my name on it
22:37 <Vanhayes> winzones are allowed, well they have been for the last few anyways
22:37 <ghableska> I was gone a lot today, so I wouldn't have been able to play.
22:37 <Legit> really? ppl always told me it was never allowed till now
22:38 <ii2020> winzones? they've always been there
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22:38 <Legit> ya but they say i couldnt touch it lol
22:38 <luke-jr> Legit: PC quality = FPS
22:39 <ii2020> imagine if it was 2v1 and the attackers just didn't attack... the def needs to have the option of the win zone
22:39 <luke-jr> wireless adds to lag
22:39 <ii2020> it's to avoid stalemates
22:39 <luke-jr> in fact, wireless would explain your "spontaneous lag" stuff
22:39 <Legit> lol, def wouldnt make it to the winzone n time
22:40 <luke-jr> z-man: ..
22:40 <Legit> o it does?
22:41 <madmax|pt> Legit: i saw it happen
22:41 <luke-jr> yeah
22:41 <luke-jr> wireless isn't good for latency
22:41 <Legit> is there anything to egt to improve it?
22:41 <luke-jr> an ethernet cable
22:42 <luke-jr> wireless needs to modulate your data onto radio frequencies
22:42 <luke-jr> that adds delay
22:43 <luke-jr> especially if you're sharing the wireless w/ someone else
22:43 <luke-jr> only one PC can talk on WiFi at a time
22:43 <Legit> ya i am with 2 other ppl
22:43 <Vanhayes> my neighbor uses my wireless
22:44 <luke-jr> Legit: so you're splitting airtime 3 way
22:44 <luke-jr> so your PC can only send/receive 1/3 of the time
22:45 <Legit> so its basically my cable not my pc?
22:45 <madmax|pt> Vanhayes: is he supposed to?
22:46 <luke-jr> what cable?
22:46 <Legit> cox
22:48 <luke-jr> I expect that's not a problem
22:48 <luke-jr> it's the wireless
22:50 <Legit> ok, thx
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22:51 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt: no, but we have known them for a while so dont really care
22:53 <G5_Ger> bye
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23:02 <Legit> ss wins
23:04 <Vanhayes> score?
23:04 <pavelo> 3:1 i think
23:04 <MaZuffeR> yes 3:1
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23:05 <Vanhayes> wd
23:05 <MaZuffeR> thx
23:06 <mkzelda> i should play something other than sweeper next time
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23:18 <madmax|pt> anyone knows the game "N" ?
23:21 <Pez> never heard of it
23:22 <Vanhayes> I think ive heard of it, a shooter?
23:22 <MaZuffeR> N is great :D
23:22 <madmax|pt> try it http://www.harveycartel.org/metanet/n.html
23:22 <madmax|pt> yep, its pretty cool
23:23 <madmax|pt> free btw
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23:30 <Pez> hmm, i'm being stupid. cant playback the ladle files
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23:40 <DrJoeTron> DOOOD
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23:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
23:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Norm's Place (11 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (11 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (10 players) || The Lobster Cage (7 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || Gamma Deathmatch (1 more message)

Log from 2006-12-04:
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00:02 <Vanhayes> #night
00:02 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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00:20 <ii2020> gnight guys
00:21 <ghableska> night
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00:31 <GodTodd> piece of fucking shit
00:36 <madmax|pt> oO
00:36 <ghableska> Oo
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01:56 <Durka> #lastseen oposal
01:57 <armabot> Durka: timed out
01:57 <Durka> #lastseen sneak
01:57 <armabot> Durka: )PWNsneak has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 4 days 12 hours 4 minutes ago.
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02:20 <GodTodd> thynhyjuuuuuuh ygu8jyuj juji uui nhjnmuk b\
02:20 <GodTodd> \
02:20 <ghableska> hi there 
02:20 <GodTodd> = p = ]b+ nbh
02:21 <ghableska> having some problems?
02:29 <GodTodd> no...have a nine month old
02:31 <ghableska> ah :)
02:42 <spidey> GodTodd, you adopt luke-jr ?
02:43 <GodTodd> yep right after i lost my mind
02:44 <spidey> lol
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> yep, that's about how a nine-month-old talks
03:03 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 12.2°F (7:54 PM CST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 1.4°F. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa. 
03:05  * ghableska yawns
03:10 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you mean "= p = ]b+ nbh"?
03:10 <GodTodd> :)
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> wow
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized that evolution and war are essentially the same thing, making the same decision
03:29 <GodTodd> natural selection?
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, you've heard the saying "War doesn't decide who's right, it only decides who is left"?
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> I think legions should upgrade phalanxes
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> or at least be cheaper, they're fairly useless because by the time you can produce them at the same rate as phalanxes, you have muskets
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> and the whole point of legions in ancient rome was that they were cheap primarily because the individual soldiers outfitted themselves
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also considering bumping up the base firepower of gunpowder units, but that'll only work if I can increase the firepower of modern units
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> I think instead of getting higher attack/defense ratings, gunpowder units should get more firepower
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> Combined arms was the concept of using infantry, cavalry, and artillery in a coordinated way.
03:52 <spidey> ...
03:52 <spidey> why?
03:52 <spidey> if that's the case you only have to build a shitload of cannons and not upgrade
03:52 <spidey> they already almost pwn forted riflemen in city walls
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> forted riflemen would have higher firepower too
03:58 <spidey> so?
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> the thing I'm trying to determine is where rate of fire should be figured into a unit's ratings
03:58 <spidey> it's defense that counts
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, the thing that made cannons useful was their firepower, and cannons actually rendered city walls obsolete
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> city walls were built to keep out infantry and cavalry, and catapults were used to beat them down.  Cannons tore them down in nothing flat.
04:00 <spidey> why increase the firepower of them?
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the question is, what makes a rifleman inherently a better unit than an archer?
04:00 <spidey> i mean, if they go any higher they'll have a higher attack than most modern units defense
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, increasing firepower doesn't help against city walls, it only helps after you hit :)
04:01 <spidey> riflemen is better than a archer because of its defense and attack?
04:01 <spidey> hell
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> no, ignore defense and attack ratings, just look at the units, technology, and training
04:01 <spidey> fanatics in fundamentalism is a better unit for defense than a MI
04:01 <spidey> they get 4 defense points
04:02 <spidey> and when fortafied it gets a 50% increase
04:02 <spidey> bringing it to 6
04:02 <spidey> and with a 15 production it takes like 1 turn to spit them out
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> nononono, ignore civ stuff
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> look on wikipedia or something :)
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> what makes someone with a rifle inherently stronger than someone with a bow?
04:14 <spidey> longer range?
04:15 <spidey> bullets hurt more ;x
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> that would be firepower :)
04:15 <spidey> it would actually depend
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> there's something about how a conscripted, partially trained rifleman can reach the same rate of fire as a skilled bowmen
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> but archery was a life skill, you practiced it from very young to get that good
04:16 <spidey> in open yes, a riflemen has a better chance, but with other elements you could get you could get your ass kicked :p
04:17 <spidey> besides
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
04:17 <spidey> back then they had muskets
04:17 <spidey> which take along time to reload
04:18 <spidey> luke-jr, 
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05:37 <Durka> hi manta
05:37 <luke-jr> spidey: wtf u want now
05:38 <Durka> type /join #teamsumo
05:39 <spidey> luke-jr, change my domain to 66.90.118.168
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05:45 <luke-jr> spidey: which one?
05:45 <spidey> ..
05:45 <spidey> fallin-angels.net
05:45 <luke-jr> ., dz, or spidey?
05:45 <spidey> the domain
05:46 <luke-jr> you have 2 subdomains
05:46 <spidey> i know
05:46 <luke-jr> so just .?
05:46 <luke-jr> 69.61.80.70 -> 66.90.118.168
05:46 <spidey> oh, my ip changed to,  so 	68.114.141.224
05:47 <luke-jr> 68.112.91.195 -> 68.114.141.224
05:47 <luke-jr> both of those right?
05:47 <spidey> yea
05:47 <luke-jr> ok done
05:47 <spidey> i haven't had a 24. ip in along time,they must have dropped that range =/
05:49 <luke-jr> probably
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05:57 <Durka> hi legit
05:57 <Durka> type /join #teamsumo
05:57 <Durka> unless ur in the irc from my site
05:57 <Durka> if that's the case it wont work
05:57 <Durka> just go to http://durdur.freehostia.com/irc/arma-irc.html
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05:58 <Arma41> wow more and more chats
05:58 <Arma41> .
06:00 <Arma41> so y did i come durka?
06:00 <luke-jr> Legit: want the first half of December for $5? (50% of half $20/month)?
06:01 <Legit> dont i have it till the 18th durka said?
06:01 <luke-jr> for $5, it's somewhere around the 18th
06:02 <luke-jr> I don't have an exact date on it
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> so, what makes a rifleman inherently superior to an archer?
06:03 <luke-jr> ......
06:03 <luke-jr> his ammo moves faster
06:03 <luke-jr> :p
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I forgot why we were talking about it
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait, yeah.  I was thinking about bumping up the first tier of gunpowder units to firepower 2
06:04 <Legit> .
06:05 <luke-jr> Legit: ...
06:06 <spidey> 74.2 gigs of movies =/
06:06 <Legit> ?
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, WWI was fought with riflemen as infantry with some machine gun support, howitzers, and horsed cavalry
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> and saw the introduction of tanks
06:06 <luke-jr> Legit: you retard, you took your own name
06:06 <luke-jr> Legit: so want half the month for $5? :p
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> why don't we ever end up with that configuration for very long in freeciv?
06:07 <luke-jr> cuz we have people doing pure science
06:07 <spidey> because we have all techs before 1300ad ?
06:07 <luke-jr> and I set techpoints low
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> it seems like we do muskets and cannons for a long time, then shoot up into tanks and artillery, where "artillery" *is* a howitzer, and I don't know wtf a howitzer is supposed to be
06:07 <spidey> actually i had all techs in 180 turns
06:07 <spidey> no
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06:07 <spidey> i had all techs in less than 170 turns
06:08 <spidey> ...
06:08 <spidey> we need a panzerfrost unit ;x
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think the gunpowder units all need increased firepower
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06:10 <spidey> no
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> why?
06:10 <spidey> why?
06:10 <spidey> because they're strong enough as is
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> because I think that's what makes a rifleman better than an archer :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, the problem is that there isn't much room to add other units
06:11 <spidey> hell i can take a city that has forted alpines and MI with about 6 cannons
06:11 <spidey> hardened cannons, anyways
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> really?  I've thrown away dozens of cannons against a city that was forted up with muskets and walls
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06:11 <luke-jr> lol
06:11 <LEGlT> say what
06:11 <spidey> really?
06:11 <spidey> haha
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> and that's not reasonable, cannons made city walls obsolete
06:11 <spidey> i don't see how
06:11 <spidey> i've done it easily
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> but rather than have cannons ignore city walls, I think the solution is to increase their firepower
06:12 <spidey> now you're just getting greedy :p
06:12 <spidey> brb , pizza
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06:15 <spidey> back
06:15 <spidey> and next time we play, if we do it with AI's , i want them on experimental :p
06:16 <spidey> they're still to easy on hard =/
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06:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not getting greedy, I want to add more early units and I want them to be a bit more realistic
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> take legions.  By the time we have cities capable of producing legions in quantity, we have muskets
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> that defeats the purpose of legions!  Legions were cheap units, and that was a big reason they defeated the phalanxes they fought
06:19 <luke-jr> pfft
06:20 <luke-jr> I want spacecraft and planets
06:20 <luke-jr> and battles in space
06:20 <luke-jr> :p
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> then why the hell do I have to study feudalism to get heavy cavalry?  The ROmans weren't feudalistic and they had heavy cavalry
06:20 <luke-jr> fix it
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> but if you don't go on a feudalism track, you don't get an upgrade to horsemen until you get cavalry with guns
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I'm trying to do
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> but there isn't room for new units that are significantly better than earlier units without making the gunpowder units weaker
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> the initial advantage to gunpowder units wasn't rate of fire, it was firepower
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, riflemen and archers should have the same attack rating, but riflemen have bayonets so should have a higher defense rating
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> but muskets have a distinct disadvantage in rate of fire, their advantage was range and firepower
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> but see, muskets and riflemen are infantry units, but archers were essentially artillery
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> fundamentally different roles
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> but muskets were less accurate than archers
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so, why should muskets replace legions?  Also, what medieval infantry unit do we have, anyway?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> keeping in mind that medieval warfare was mostly cavalry-based anyway
06:25  * Lucifer_arma notes that medieval warfare in freeciv is phalanxes and catapults, and occasionally knights/horsemen, which is totally ass-backwards
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06:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I see what I'm missing.  If you go on a feudalist track you get pikemen for your infantry unit
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06:44 <spidey> medieval
06:44 <spidey> eh
06:49 <luke-jr> he
06:50  * luke-jr pwns #armagetron?
06:50 <luke-jr> :)
06:50 <luke-jr> o
06:50 <luke-jr> #armagetronad?
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I think I figurd something out
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> gunpowder should just give a boost to existing units to reflect the fact that they're starting to use primitive gunpowder weapons
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> cannons should come before muskets
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> also, metallurgy (which gives cannons) should make city walls obsolete
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> then a second building that can be built needs to be created that provides city walls for the gunpowder era :)
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> the uh, problem is that the rules don't let me do the city walls thing :(
06:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: did you fix the sound blocking bug yet
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> no
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> did you?
06:53 <luke-jr> no clue
06:53 <luke-jr> sound is your stuff
06:53 <spidey> ...
06:53 <spidey> city walls obsolete?
06:53 <spidey> gay
06:53 <spidey> it should only make the great wall obsolete
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06:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, I meant more like how barracks get obsoleted
06:55 <spidey> ..
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> so there'd be a City Walls II or something like that :)
06:56 <spidey> what's to upgrade with city walls?
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> which provides City Walls for gunpowder units.  Problem is, I don't think the freeciv rules are that flexible
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_fort
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> that was the development made after castles were rendered obsolete by cannons
06:57 <luke-jr> that page says you're wrong
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> so, what we need is a city wall that provides a second bonus to gunpowder units
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> eh?
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> wrong about what?
06:57 <luke-jr> The complex and sophisticated designs of star forts that preceded them were highly effective against cannon assault, but proved much less effective against the more accurate fire of rifled guns and the destructive power of explosive shells. 
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't say I'm wrong
06:57 <luke-jr> City Walls replace w/ Star Fort :p
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> that only says you can't read
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> except that City Walls aren't Star Fort
06:58 <luke-jr> exactly
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06:58 <Lucifer_arma> city walls were built first, to defend against infantry with swords and spears and shit
06:58 <luke-jr> after castles were obsoleted by canons, they made star forts
06:58  * Arma84 Lucifer_arma
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I said
06:58 <luke-jr> no, you said polygonal was...
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> scroll up and reread what I said
07:02 <spidey> wtf
07:02 <spidey> there's a horse square??????
07:02 <spidey> open terrain1.png
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07:04 <Lucifer_arma> what tileset?
07:05 <luke-jr> hachi 5555
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> icbms?
07:06 <luke-jr> resume
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
07:06 <spidey> ??
07:07 <luke-jr> spidey: hachi 5555
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07:26 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
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07:45 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
07:47 <Durka> hi zman
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07:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
07:53 <Durka> sorry for upploading all of those
07:53 <Durka> BUT
07:53 <Durka> each of them can be used for different things
07:53 <luke-jr> ...
07:53 <Durka> 0.3 is a smaller version
07:54 <luke-jr> upload as many as make sense
07:54 <luke-jr> and more
07:54 <Durka> lol
07:54 <Durka> its team sumo
07:54 <luke-jr> note that SIZE_FACTOR does exist, tho :)
07:54 <Durka> not size factor
07:54 <Durka> i mean the zone sizes
07:55 <luke-jr> o
07:56 <luke-jr> I think the Resource element needs a new attribute
07:56 <luke-jr> Variant
07:56 <luke-jr> :)
07:59 <Durka> i put ALL of the settings for team sumo
07:59 <Durka> if you want you could put up a team sumo server
08:00 <Durka> just put the line: MAP_FILE Durka/sumo/team-0.0.5.aamap.xml
08:00 <Durka> :p
08:01 <luke-jr> that's a bad thing
08:02 <luke-jr> it means all your maps will break by 1.0
08:02 <luke-jr> or at least be in backwards compatibility mode
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08:04 <manta> Durka: my internet disconected
08:05 <Durka> ok its all good now
08:05 <Durka> its working perfectly...so far :p
08:06 <Durka> go into the server so i can tell u the settings
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08:30 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
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09:42 <spidey> luke wussies out to much :p
09:43  * spidey goes to watch scream
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09:44 <spidey> ...
09:44 <spidey> spanish
09:44 <spidey> i'm not spanish :<
09:52 <manta> spidey:  Adios amigo  
09:53 <spidey> :/
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13:08 <DrJoeTron> anyone wanna give me a hand with working with livecd?
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13:13 <DrJoeTron> damn it
13:15 <spidey> ?
13:15 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wtf you want a windows live cd for?
13:15 <DrJoeTron> nah its ubuntu
13:15 <spidey> lol
13:16 <spidey> what exactly do you want to do with it?
13:16 <spidey> you on it now?
13:16 <DrJoeTron> fucking load :D
13:16 <spidey> load?
13:16 <spidey> eh?
13:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah
13:16 <DrJoeTron> it wont boot
13:16 <spidey> ...
13:16 <spidey> why
13:16 <DrJoeTron> ck if i know
13:16 <spidey> does it give errors?
13:17 <DrJoeTron> not at al
13:17 <DrJoeTron> its like "oh man, i think i should load windows"
13:17 <spidey> lol!
13:17 <DrJoeTron> but i want you to boot the cd? "ok, windows it is"
13:17 <spidey> dude
13:17 <spidey> do this
13:17 <spidey> reboot
13:17 <spidey> hit F12
13:17 <spidey> or whatever brings you to the bios config
13:17 <DrJoeTron> i set it to boot off of the cd
13:17 <DrJoeTron> dur
13:18 <spidey> how many cd-rom drives you got?
13:18 <DrJoeTron> 1
13:18 <spidey> try disabling the harddrives
13:18 <DrJoeTron> i did
13:18 <spidey> ....
13:18 <spidey> wtf
13:18 <DrJoeTron> and then its like HEY WAR R THE DRIVES? OOP, FOUN DTHEM LOAD WINDOWS ^_^ KEKEKEKE
13:19 <DrJoeTron> and then i discovered disabling booting form other devices
13:19 <spidey> well
13:19 <spidey> sucks. heh
13:19 <spidey> besides, mepis is a better choice :p
13:19 <spidey> www.mepis.org
13:19 <DrJoeTron> and it went "herp derp, IM NOT BOOTING!"
13:19 <DrJoeTron> i've got more friends who use ubuntu
13:19 <spidey> so?
13:19 <DrJoeTron> can get better support
13:20 <spidey> no
13:20 <spidey> ubuntu is a debian distro
13:20 <DrJoeTron> i plan on reformating over break
13:20 <spidey> mepis is a debian distro
13:20 <spidey> besides
13:20 <spidey> what isn't precompiled, you can compile
13:21 <DrJoeTron> i dont know  how to compile "/
13:21 <spidey> ..
13:21 <DrJoeTron> well i dont
13:21 <DrJoeTron> i've been raised off of window all of my life
13:22 <spidey> so was i :p
13:22 <spidey> linux isn't that hard, heh
13:22 <DrJoeTron> it shouldnt be
13:22 <DrJoeTron> yet i feel like a total dweeb that livecd wont fucking work
13:22 <DrJoeTron> i'll just try and redownload it
13:22 <spidey> ..
13:23 <spidey> why a live cd?
13:23 <DrJoeTron> cause i wanna try it out first
13:23 <DrJoeTron> before i consider dual booting
13:23 <spidey> livecd doesn't really show you anything
13:24 <DrJoeTron> it wil be showing me something
13:24 <spidey> just the gui? :p
13:25 <DrJoeTron> yup!
13:25 <DrJoeTron> thats all i need
13:25 <spidey> lol
13:26 <DrJoeTron> my friend was trying out the livecd
13:27 <DrJoeTron> and was like "il just use this forever and run everything needed for windows will be ran through wine :D!
13:27 <spidey> no
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13:28 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah tell me about it
13:28 <spidey> you plan on running games in wine?
13:28 <DrJoeTron> fuck no
13:28 <DrJoeTron> this was her
13:28 <DrJoeTron> not i
13:28 <DrJoeTron> i know better
13:28 <spidey> wine doesn't really support dX, heh
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13:28 <DrJoeTron> im aware
13:28 <spidey> joe
13:28 <spidey> send me a blank cd :(
13:28 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:29 <DrJoeTron> give me your address
13:29 <spidey> hmm
13:29 <spidey> it'd be scratched to hell by the time it got here :p
13:30 <spidey> i've considered running vmware in *nix for games
13:30 <spidey> but i dunno how it'll run =/
13:31 <spidey> oh
13:31 <spidey> btw
13:31 <spidey> mepis uses a ubuntu kernal
13:31 <spidey> the new version does anyhow
13:32 <DrJoeTron> thats great
13:32 <DrJoeTron> so does ubuntu :V
13:32 <spidey> you sure?
13:32 <spidey> ;x
13:33 <spidey> Linux just isn't user-friendly when it comes to viruses. You have to work to find and run them. It doesn't happen automatically as it does with Windows. The GNU/Linux folks really should improve this glaring discrepancy.
13:33 <spidey> LOL
13:46 <spidey> DrJoeTron, you use photoshop?
13:46 <DrJoeTron> yup
13:46 <spidey> i've only been able to make annoying things
13:46 <spidey> like this motion blur thing that makes your eyes water
13:46 <DrJoeTron> found the filters tab i see?
13:46 <spidey> yea :D
13:47 <DrJoeTron> i try my hardest not to use filters
13:47 <spidey> i like the lins flare :/
13:47 <DrJoeTron> yeah i bet you do, you dweeb
13:47 <spidey> lol
13:47 <DrJoeTron> do yourself a favor
13:47 <DrJoeTron> use it little as possible
13:47 <DrJoeTron> because a year from now you're gonna go "my god i was so lame"
13:47 <spidey> i haven't actually figured out howto use it :D
13:47 <DrJoeTron> which is why i dont do my web comic anymore
13:48 <DrJoeTron> what version do you have?
13:48 <spidey> cs2
13:48 <spidey> the lates
13:48 <spidey> latest
13:48 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:48 <DrJoeTron> did you get illustrator with it?
13:48 <spidey> mmm?
13:48 <DrJoeTron> or just photoshop
13:48 <spidey> i get a popup with some howto stuff that doesn't really explain anything
13:48 <spidey> lol
13:49 <DrJoeTron> i have illiustratpr cs2 and photoshop cs1 (8.0)
13:49 <DrJoeTron> and before that i had 5.0
13:49 <spidey> i remember along time ago
13:49 <DrJoeTron> wanna learn some cheap parlor tricks?
13:49 <spidey> i tried to run ps with 128mb of ram
13:49 <spidey> yea i done used the polar filter :
13:49 <spidey> :p
13:50 <DrJoeTron> heres a quick easy one
13:50 <DrJoeTron> make a new document, 500x500
13:51 <DrJoeTron> make the backround black
13:51 <spidey> sec
13:51 <DrJoeTron> let me know when you're ready
13:51 <DrJoeTron> and while your doing that, i'll find something else for you
13:52 <DrJoeTron> im just testing them out to see if i still remember them
13:52 <spidey> k
13:52 <spidey> done
13:53 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:53 <DrJoeTron> next go to filter > render > clouds
13:53 <spidey> k
13:53 <spidey> done
13:54 <DrJoeTron> ok now
13:54 <DrJoeTron> filter > pixelate > mezotint
13:54 <DrJoeTron> select medium lines
13:54 <spidey> done
13:54 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:54 <DrJoeTron> now
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13:55 <DrJoeTron> filter > blur > radial blur > blur method zoom > quality best > amount 100
13:55 <DrJoeTron> then hit ctrl-U
13:56 <DrJoeTron> which brings up hue/saturation
13:56 <DrJoeTron> check the colorize box
13:56 <DrJoeTron> fuck with the hue and saturation
13:56 <DrJoeTron> and presto
13:56 <spidey> cool
13:56 <DrJoeTron> like i said
13:57 <DrJoeTron> its a cute little trick
13:57 <DrJoeTron> im trying to remember one but its escaping me
13:57 <DrJoeTron> big tip
13:57 <DrJoeTron> layers
13:57 <DrJoeTron> they are your friend
13:57 <DrJoeTron> the bestest friend ever
13:57 <DrJoeTron> and feel free to fuck with the symbols and use them for shit they arent supposed to be for
13:58 <spidey> symbolsS?
13:58 <spidey> like
13:58 <spidey> any idea how to change text and stuff
13:58 <spidey> like, for a logo?
13:59 <DrJoeTron> course i do
13:59 <DrJoeTron> what are you trying to accomplish?
14:00 <DrJoeTron> www.w-w-c.net is all of the stuff i did
14:01 <spidey> hmm
14:01 <spidey> just text styles
14:01 <spidey> is that a ps layout?
14:01 <DrJoeTron> sort of
14:01 <DrJoeTron> i drew it up in photoshop
14:03 <DrJoeTron> ive been using photoshop for about 4 years now
14:04 <DrJoeTron> nah
14:04 <DrJoeTron> 5 years
14:05 <spidey> btw
14:05 <spidey> htf i save it as a .jpg
14:05 <DrJoeTron> htf?
14:05 <DrJoeTron> how?
14:06 <spidey> how the fuck
14:06 <DrJoeTron> is it jpeg worthy?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> or do you wanna make it a gif
14:06 <DrJoeTron> ask yourself!
14:06 <DrJoeTron> whats it going for
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14:07 <spidey> nothing, it's just that stupid thing
14:07 <spidey> lol
14:07 <spidey> :D
14:07 <DrJoeTron> other wise its just file save as
14:07 <DrJoeTron> jpg
14:07 <spidey> that only gives me .psd
14:07 <DrJoeTron> durr
14:07 <spidey> nothing else
14:07 <DrJoeTron> hmm...
14:08 <spidey> i've only been able to save it as .gif's
14:08 <DrJoeTron> you clicked format and it gave you lip?
14:08 <DrJoeTron> it just said psd?
14:08 <DrJoeTron> because psd is the default
14:09 <DrJoeTron> format will give you many
14:09 <spidey> ?
14:09 <spidey> save as type only gives me psd
14:10 <spidey> there isn't a "all" so i can rename it
14:10 <spidey> heh
14:10 <DrJoeTron> im thinking here
14:10 <DrJoeTron> because thats odd
14:10 <DrJoeTron> click save a copyu
14:10 <DrJoeTron> save as a copy i mean
14:10 <spidey> http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/834/untitled1xu0.gif
14:10 <DrJoeTron> that might give you a work around
14:10 <spidey> :D:D
14:11 <DrJoeTron> my latest thing to do is work with mspaint
14:11 <spidey> i don't have mspaint cause i'm leet
14:11 <spidey> :p
14:12 <spidey> actually the reason i installed ps was so i could do screenshots =/
14:13 <DrJoeTron> hah
14:13 <DrJoeTron> well then remember this
14:13 <DrJoeTron> when you want to shrink the size or anything
14:14 <DrJoeTron> hit ctrl-T
14:14 <DrJoeTron> it will do wonders to it
14:14 <spidey> image/image size
14:14 <spidey> :p
14:14 <DrJoeTron> no
14:14 <DrJoeTron> ctrl t
14:14 <DrJoeTron> does it all for you
14:14 <DrJoeTron> t = transform
14:14 <spidey> ah
14:14 <spidey> cool
14:16 <spidey> i really like the craquelure
14:17 <spidey> what's that other thing?
14:18 <DrJoeTron> what other thing
14:19 <spidey> <DrJoeTron> and while your doing that, i'll find something else for you
14:19 <DrJoeTron> i forgot it :/
14:19 <spidey> lol
14:19 <DrJoeTron> or its too much work to do it
14:19 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
14:19 <DrJoeTron> if you need help lemme know
14:20 <DrJoeTron> i need excuses to use photoshop
14:20 <spidey> lol
14:20 <spidey> k
14:25 <DrJoeTron> holy fuck
14:25 <DrJoeTron> raisin bran crunch
14:25 <DrJoeTron> why is it so amazing'
14:26 <spidey> o.O
14:30 <spidey> joe
14:30 <spidey> once i'm done using the type layor how do i tell it i'm done typing >.>
14:30 <spidey> it like
14:30 <spidey> won't go away
14:30 <spidey> :|
14:31 <MaZuffeR> click on another layer or another tool
14:31 <DrJoeTron> thanks maz
14:32 <MaZuffeR> yw
14:32 <DrJoeTron> i was busy eating manly food
14:32 <spidey> fruity loops doesn't count :p
14:32 <DrJoeTron> what a horrible program
14:34 <spidey> lol
14:39 <DrJoeTron> http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=4289&p=6 play this game! and beat it!
14:39 <DrJoeTron> it should take you a minute
14:45 <spidey> sec
14:46 <spidey> hm
14:46 <spidey> it's loading slow
14:47 <spidey> argh
14:48 <DrJoeTron> nah
14:48 <DrJoeTron> scroll all the way down
14:48 <DrJoeTron> lowtax broke the site
14:53 <spidey> why won't it let me use inverse?
14:55 <DrJoeTron> the game?
14:56 <DrJoeTron> because it was made in less than a week
14:56 <spidey> ps :p
14:56 <DrJoeTron> what are you trying to do?
14:56 <spidey> http://www.rtideas.com/ticks/photoshop_t2/Big_Freeze.html#anchor263178
14:57 <DrJoeTron> i refuse to condone this
14:57 <spidey> :(
14:58 <DrJoeTron> www.good-tutorials.com here you go
14:58 <DrJoeTron> go there 
14:59 <spidey> grrr
14:59 <spidey> i get the feeling i'ma have to restart my router
15:04 <spidey> hmm
15:04 <spidey> gay
15:04 <spidey> i love how imageready always starts instead of pscs2
15:10 <MaZuffeR> and you don't know how to change that?
15:10 <spidey> ?
15:10 <spidey> sure, click pscs2 instead of imageready :D
15:11 <spidey> they're side-by-side and really small icons
15:11 <MaZuffeR> ah, i though you meant when opening a file
15:11 <MaZuffeR> thought*
15:11 <spidey> right click -> open with
15:11 <spidey> :p
15:12 <MaZuffeR> yeah, but so that it opens with the right program when you double click on it
15:12 <spidey> http://www.retireat21.com/tutorials/websitelayout/ps1.jpg
15:13 <spidey> mine doesn't look like that :(
15:13 <MaZuffeR> different version probably
15:18 <spidey> http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9642/testmh7.jpg
15:18 <spidey> that's what mine looks like =/
15:19 <MaZuffeR> lol
15:19 <MaZuffeR> click on gradient overlay
15:19 <spidey> ohhhhhhhhhhhh
15:19  * spidey is dumb :(
15:21 <DrJoeTron> i like 8.0
15:21 <DrJoeTron> :)
15:22 <spidey> i'm using like, 9.somthing
15:23 <DrJoeTron> you're on 9
15:23 <DrJoeTron> alright il brb i gotta take my mama to work
15:25 <spidey> k
15:51 <DrJoeTron> ;
15:51 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah
15:51 <DrJoeTron> venture bros season 2 dvd set for April 17, 2007!
15:51 <DrJoeTron> :D
15:54 <spidey> o.O
15:54 <spidey> hmm
15:54 <spidey> i like this
15:56 <spidey> DrJoeTron, can i edit a old layer without losing all the layers after it?
15:56 <DrJoeTron> course
15:56 <spidey> how?
15:56 <DrJoeTron> select the layer
15:56 <DrJoeTron> in the layer window
15:56 <DrJoeTron> and bam
15:57 <spidey> ohhhhh
15:57 <spidey> ty
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15:58 <DrJoeTron> i need a new fucking monitor
15:59 <DrJoeTron> its killing my eyes
16:00 <DrJoeTron> bbl
16:00 <spidey> http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7356/thingyba8.jpg
16:01 <DrJoeTron> :/
16:01 <spidey> ?
16:01 <DrJoeTron> pick colors that are easy on the eyes
16:02 <spidey> ...
16:02 <spidey> what's wrong with black and orange?
16:03 <DrJoeTron> what kind of site are you making
16:03 <spidey> just playing with it
16:03 <spidey> someone else is making a layout for me :)
16:03 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:04 <spidey> he's better at ps than me =/
16:04 <DrJoeTron> when it coems to stuff like that
16:04 <DrJoeTron> i dont know why
16:04 <DrJoeTron> but i hate getting help from people
16:04 <DrJoeTron> or well
16:04 <DrJoeTron> having them do it for me drives me crazy
16:04 <spidey> well, it's either that or we go back to a half-ass css design, because i do other stuff :p
16:05 <DrJoeTron> i wanna make anew site
16:05 <DrJoeTron> and do web comics
16:05 <DrJoeTron> that arent stupuid fucking sprite comcis
16:05 <spidey> lol
16:06 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/phpBB2
16:06 <spidey> for that
16:07 <spidey> i gotta stop using hard password
16:07 <spidey> i forgot the pass to the webserver, now i have to wait for the host dude to come online so he can reset the password
16:07 <spidey> >.>
16:08 <DrJoeTron> dragonheart?
16:08 <DrJoeTron> whos that?
16:08 <spidey> lizz :p
16:08 <DrJoeTron> ah
16:08 <DrJoeTron> she's still alive
16:08 <DrJoeTron> :)
16:08 <spidey> lol
16:10 <spidey> like
16:10 <spidey> what's the point of having a request thread?
16:10 <spidey> for sigs and stuff
16:10 <DrJoeTron> i hate most signatures
16:10 <spidey> if the guy's gonna make it "his" way and bitch if someone doesn't like it
16:10 <spidey> or wants it a different way
16:11 <spidey> hell, i had to listen to 10 minutes of bitching on x-fire because i asked him to change the background color from white to black
16:11 <spidey> heh
16:12 <DrJoeTron> most of them are consisting of flames, pot leaves, motion blur, and lens flares
16:12 <DrJoeTron> and break tables
16:12 <spidey> nah
16:12 <spidey> you have to register to see it, but it's in the gfx thread
16:13 <spidey> he's good at it...but still =/
16:13 <DrJoeTron> hot link it for me
16:14 <spidey> ?
16:14 <spidey> that doesn't matter :p
16:14 <spidey> still have to register to see it
16:14 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=16
16:14 <DrJoeTron> not if you save it and then photobucket it
16:14 <spidey> what aare you wanting to see?
16:14 <DrJoeTron> i've got enough messageboards to look after
16:15 <spidey> i've got 3 =/
16:16 <spidey> MaZuffeR, you remember the link to the forums .css?
16:16 <MaZuffeR> no, but it's not hard to find
16:16 <spidey> i can't ftp , and my ssh account was disabled because the guy hosts people that like to get DDoS'd =(
16:17 <MaZuffeR> http://www.fallin-angels.com/phpBB2/templates/bcBlackBlu/bcBlackBlu.css
16:17 <spidey> ahhh
16:17 <spidey> i was doing themes
16:17 <spidey> lol
16:17 <spidey> #0184FF what i was looking for
16:18  * spidey goes back to ps
16:19 <spidey> DrJoeTron, can i add custom colors, like 0184FF
16:19 <spidey> instead of picking the colors?
16:20 <spidey> nvm
16:20 <spidey> got it
16:29 <spidey> ok
16:29 <spidey> need help :D
16:29 <spidey> text stuff :/
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17:43 <wrtlprnft> #ping
17:43 <armabot> pong
17:43 <wrtlprnft> grr, what was this nameserver IP again?
17:44 -!- HIM [n=lol@h111n2fls31o977.telia.com] has joined #armagetron
17:44 <HIM> hi all
17:44 <HIM> i need help
17:45 <HIM> someone in here online
17:45 <wrtlprnft> NAMESERVER IP: 4.2.2.1
17:45 <HIM> hallo??
17:45 <HIM> wrtlprnft are you online
17:46 <wrtlprnft> just writing that here so it's easier to find when greping my logs
17:46 <wrtlprnft> HIM: no, what you see of me is a bot
17:46 <HIM> wrtlprnft is it Ô.o
17:46 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft hasn't integrated this bot's functionality into armabot yet
17:46 <HIM> !kill someone
17:47 <wrtlprnft> anyways
17:47 <wrtlprnft> if your server is online, i can't connect to it right now
17:47 <wrtlprnft> so you need to adjust your firewall/router settings
17:47 <wrtlprnft> pretty intelligent bot, eh?
17:47 <HIM> i have no firewall
17:48 <wrtlprnft> i'm .99 positive you have a router.
17:48 <HIM> yeah but i dont know how to get the settings in it
17:48 <wrtlprnft> do you know what kind of router it is?
17:48 <HIM> no?
17:48 <spidey> bbiabout 3 hours
17:48 <spidey> >.>
17:49 <wrtlprnft> well, you'll need to find out.
17:49 -!- spidey [i=Administ@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has quit ["Leaving"]
17:49 <wrtlprnft> just look at the box, for god's sake, i'm sure it's printed on it.
17:52 <HIM> we dont have something that block the port!!
17:52 <wrtlprnft> you do.
17:52 <HIM> no
17:52 <wrtlprnft> just follow the lan cable going out of the back of your computer, or find your wireless access point
17:52 <HIM> im 100% on it
17:53 <HIM> ok you meean the box we have a telia broadband
17:53 <wrtlprnft> if you didn't have anything that blocks the port it would work
17:53 <HIM> but i dont know what blocks that is the problem
17:53 <wrtlprnft> 17:52 <HIM> we dont have something that block the port!!
17:53 <wrtlprnft> well, you have to have *something* that blocks it
17:54 <wrtlprnft> and telia is your provider, not the manufacturer of your router
17:54 <wrtlprnft> 17:44 -!- HIM [n=lol@h111n2fls31o977.telia.com] has joined #armagetron
17:54 <HIM> yeah but i cant find it and i asked my family we dont have somehting that protect
17:55 <wrtlprnft> what about you just follow that damn LAN cable and tell me where it leads to?
17:56 <HIM> our room its a room with a box and cable that leads to my computer
17:57 <wrtlprnft> well, what kind of box is it?
17:57 <HIM> its a box with a cble that lead to our telephone
17:58 <HIM> but we have broadband
17:58 <wrtlprnft> now what's printed on the box?
17:58 <wrtlprnft> company name, model number, anything?
17:59 <HIM> i dont know
17:59 <HIM> wait i should look
17:59 <HIM> topcom xplorer 874A
18:00 <HIM> hallo?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> sec
18:01 <wrtlprnft> http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Topcom/Xplorer870+/F-22_Lightning_3.htm
18:01 <wrtlprnft> it's for a slightly different model, but it should be fine
18:03 <wrtlprnft> note that you *only* need to forward port 4534, not the others
18:04 <HIM> but is default port open for my server
18:05 <HIM> haha i dont know what the password and username is
18:06 <MaZuffeR> try username: admin and password: password
18:07 <wrtlprnft> By default the username is admin, and the password is 12345678. Click the Ok button to log in to your router.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> that's what the page says
18:07 <wrtlprnft> that's one of the main reason i wanted to know your router model, I could have guessed the IP
18:07 <HIM> mazuffer it worked thanks
18:07 <MaZuffeR> yw
18:08 <HIM> but then when im in what should i do
18:09 <wrtlprnft> look for “port forwarding” or “applications/gaming” or something similar
18:09 <luke-jr> omg
18:09 <luke-jr> this is why we need Upnp support =p
18:09 <wrtlprnft> or “inbound servers”
18:11 <HIM> cant find something about that
18:11 <wrtlprnft> HIM: what about a screenshot of the main screen?
18:12 <HIM> nja
18:12 <luke-jr> HIM: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
18:13 <HIM> i dont want to pay for server hosting
18:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i win :P
18:13 <luke-jr> HIM: well then learn to be competent with computers :)
18:14 <wrtlprnft> become a 1337 h@xx0R to run an arma server ;)
18:16 <wrtlprnft> what the f***
18:16 <HIM> status|quick start|configuration|save config what should i go in to
18:16 <luke-jr> Config
18:16 <HIM> and then
18:16 <luke-jr> ...
18:16 <HIM> Wan|Lan|system|firewall|virtual server|advanced what should i do
18:16 <luke-jr> HIM: next step is to place your fingers in your ears, and run around outside screaming
18:16 <luke-jr> eh, try virtual server :p
18:16 <wrtlprnft> this darn DHCP thing keeps overwriting my nameserver
18:17 <wrtlprnft> with a nameserver that appears to be down, that is
18:17 <HIM> ok what port should i open
18:17 <luke-jr> ............
18:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: dhcp_eth0=nodns
18:17 <HIM> can someone script in mirc :P
18:17 <luke-jr> [17:03:32] <wrtlprnft> note that you *only* need to forward port 4534, not the others
18:17 <luke-jr> mIrc sucks
18:18 <wrtlprnft> HIM: 4534
18:18 <HIM> ok it should work know
18:18 <wrtlprnft> and select UDP, not TCP
18:18 <luke-jr> HIM: "now" doesn't have a 'k'
18:19 <HIM> ?
18:19 <HIM> XD
18:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: in theory i like the idea of the nameserver reverting if i reboot the computer, in the hope that my provider's nameserver will be fixed
18:19 <wrtlprnft> but it shouldn't revert 5 minutes after i changed it
18:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I'd never suggest using ISP nameservers
18:20 <luke-jr> they're generally broken
18:20 <wrtlprnft> HIM: can't connect. is the server running and did you press “OK“ or “add” or whatever in the router config?
18:20 <HIM> if someone need help with this channel i can help im good at script in mirc and javascript
18:20 <luke-jr> mirc sucks
18:20  * wrtlprnft uses IRSSI, even though luke-jr thinks that sucks, too
18:20 <HIM> i pressed add
18:21 <luke-jr> no, irssi is decent
18:21 <wrtlprnft> and is there an ok button, too? router configs are awkward sometimes
18:21 <wrtlprnft> the best is to close it and open it again and see if your changes were saved
18:21 <luke-jr> #insult HIM
18:21 <armabot> HIM - You are nothing but a humid puddle of dizzy-eyed entrails. 
18:22 <HIM> armabot lol
18:22 <MaZuffeR> HIM: press save config
18:22 <HIM> i have done
18:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i remember you saying something different
18:23 <HIM> ~[xS]~HÎM
18:23 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: just because I can't use it doesn't mean it isn't decent
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18:27 <luke-jr> how rude
18:27 <luke-jr> not even a "thanks"
18:28 <luke-jr> oh fun
18:28 <luke-jr> trunk doesn't compile
18:28 <luke-jr> make: *** No rule to make target `ax_boost_base.m4', needed by `Makefile.in'.  Stop.
18:29  * luke-jr reconfigures
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18:45 <spidey> man
18:45 <spidey> i just gave the electronics section of my room a makeover >.>
18:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: yeah, got that too, rebootstrapping and reconfiguring helped
18:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: threw it out of the window?
18:47 <spidey> that would have saved sooooooooo much time
18:47 <spidey> =/
18:47 <wrtlprnft> !#@$ name server!
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18:47 <spidey> they need like
18:48 <spidey> a way to install *nix while windows is running
18:48 <spidey> that'd own
18:48 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Thoughtless&rcid=15299
18:48 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:49 <wrtlprnft> > Anything the person directing you here would have written personally would have been a lot less polite.
18:49 <wrtlprnft> indeed
18:50 <spidey> lol
18:50  * wrtlprnft is waiting for z-man to use it
18:50 <wrtlprnft> i can guess where he wants to us it.
18:50 <spidey> haha
18:51 <spidey> hm
18:51 <spidey> does the wiki have a article on portforwording ? :p
18:51 <spidey> since that's like 50% of the problem half the time
18:51 <spidey> lol
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18:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: sure
18:54 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/FAQ#I_did_that.2C_but_my_server_still_is_not_listed._What_else_can_be_wrong.3F
18:55 <spidey> btw
18:56 <spidey> most nats don't allow you to connect to your external ip, so if someone is behind a router and did do that, they might not still be able to connect, if they try to connect from the master list :p
18:56 <spidey> i know mine doesn't :/
18:56 <wrtlprnft> handled on the wiki as well
18:56 <spidey> yea just read it ;x
18:56 <wrtlprnft> stupid broken boxes. Mine works fine :)
18:57 <spidey> lol
18:57 <spidey> it's not a box :p
18:57 <spidey> if i used a box for a router, sure i could to :p
18:57 <wrtlprnft> it came in a box, probably
18:57 <spidey> lol
18:58 <wrtlprnft> box = piece of dumb electronical equipment
18:58 <spidey> well
18:58 <spidey> my server's just a tower, a power cord, and a ethernet cord
18:58 <spidey> so it's a "box" :p
18:59 <wrtlprnft> what proves that it isn't dumb?
18:59 <spidey> it can do math :D
19:00 <wrtlprnft> can it do a mathematical prove?
19:00 <guru3> proof
19:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:00 <spidey> lol
19:00 <wrtlprnft> sorry
19:00 <spidey> sure
19:01  * spidey fires up the caculator
19:01 <wrtlprnft> let it prove tan(x) = sin(x) * (cos(x))^(-1)
19:01 <spidey> o.O
19:02 <spidey> hm
19:02 <spidey> wtf
19:02 <spidey> my internal ip's changed
19:02 <spidey> yet i plugged them back into the same ports >.>
19:09 <luke-jr> ports have nothing to do with IPs
19:09 <luke-jr> dummy
19:26 <spidey> sure they do
19:26 <spidey> if i didn't boot my other computer before this one
19:26 <spidey> this one should be assigned the next ip in the pool, right?
19:29 <luke-jr_work> nope
19:29 <luke-jr_work> wrong
19:30 <luke-jr_work> first, it should see if they're assigned a static IP and give that
19:31 <luke-jr_work> then, it should see if the requested IP is within the valid range, and if so authorize that
19:31 <luke-jr_work> if there's none of those, then it can do something sequential/random and pick one
19:32 <luke-jr_work> and use that if it's not already leased or if it doesn't respond to a ping
19:32 <luke-jr_work> but never does it have anything to do with what port the cable is plugged into
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19:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb
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21:10 <wrtlprnft> finally that stupid nameserver's back up
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21:27 <wrtlprnft> and down again…
21:30 <Commn> wrtl
21:31 <Commn> did you ever get vanhayes' recordings?
21:31 <Commn> are they up somewhere?
21:35 <Commn> wrtlprnft
21:35 <Commn> you alive?
21:35 <Commn> heh
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21:41 <wrtlprnft> no
21:41 <wrtlprnft> and no
21:45 <wrtlprnft> dunno what happened to it, but i didn't get any email >1MB lately
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21:50 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft:it wont send it to your email for some reason, tried a few times yesturday but it kept sending me a failure notice
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21:53 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: go grab my first and last name from the AUTHORS file, take the first name, a dot, the last name, add an @ and “web.de”
21:56 <luke-jr> ...
21:56 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: paranoid?
21:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: du bist deutscher? :P
21:56 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: hmm I didnt get a failure notice this time, did you get it?
21:57 <luke-jr_work> hm
21:57 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: jep
21:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
21:57 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_work: do you work at home or are you just really fast?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: you maybe don't have the amount of spam i have
21:58 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yeah, something big is coming
21:58 <Vanhayes> ah ok
21:58 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes, fast?
21:58 <luke-jr_work> oh, hah
21:58 <luke-jr_work> I'm working at home today, yeah
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21:58 <Vanhayes> heh i was gonna say it took you 2 minutes to get to work
21:58 <luke-jr_work> :)
21:58 <luke-jr_work> usually it's 20-30 min
21:59 <wrtlprnft> nice, already bz2'ed
22:00 <wrtlprnft> at least i hope it is
22:01 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~mathias/ssvstm.aarec.txt.bz2
22:01 <wrtlprnft> feel free to post it where you want
22:02 <wrtlprnft> though actually i should have uploaded it to luke-jr_work's server, that would have saved me the traffic
22:02 <luke-jr_work> ...
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22:02 <luke-jr_work> as if my servers are better for that?
22:05 <wrtlprnft> well, the download doesn't need to be fast :P
22:05 <wrtlprnft> aaah, new stuff from voodoo, nice
22:06  * wrtlprnft wouldn't mind having him on the team officially, or at least ask him
22:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: so?
22:09 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: can you try what your value for GL_MAX_CLIP_PLANES is? It's absurdly high on my machine, and i hope it'll be at least 20 on others…
22:10 <luke-jr_work> wtf is that?
22:10 <wrtlprnft> nvm
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i'm wrong
22:11 <luke-jr_work> and who on the team?
22:11 <wrtlprnft> the constant is just a descriptor, you need to call a function to get the value
22:11 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i'll post later
22:12 <luke-jr> o
22:12 <wrtlprnft> he's doing some interesting map stuff
22:13 <luke-jr> who??
22:13 <wrtlprnft> 22:05 <wrtlprnft> aaah, new stuff from voodoo, nice
22:13 <wrtlprnft> 22:06  * wrtlprnft wouldn't mind having him on the team officially, or at least ask him
22:14 <luke-jr_work> voodoo is a guy?
22:15 <wrtlprnft> if emmanuel is a guy name…
22:15 <luke-jr> heh
22:22 <Vanhayes> well it does have the word man in it, id say its a guys name
22:25 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:27 <luke-jr_work> woman has the word man in it too
22:27 <luke-jr_work> :o
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> so?  idiot has the word luke in it, what's your point?
22:30 <luke-jr_work> bs
22:30 <wrtlprnft> that's why you say idi-luke-ot
22:31 <wrtlprnft> ;)
22:31 <luke-jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.19-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.895 MHz) - Processes: 243 - Uptime:  21:31:43 up 34 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.75, 0.70, 1.48 - Memory Usage: 1119MB/2012MB (55%)
22:31 <luke-jr> :)
22:31 <luke-jr> no swap use now :p
22:32  * wrtlprnft has trouble filling up his 1GB
22:34 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft must not be a power user
22:34 <luke-jr> :P
22:34  * wrtlprnft uses enough power, don't worry
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> man, my 3 year old is talking a *lot*
22:46 <luke-jr> lol
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> new research shows morning sickness lowers the risk of miscarriage by almost 70 per cent.
22:55 <GodTodd> that makes sense if it's due to some kind of toxins or something
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what it could be, but my wife puked her guts out with all 3 kids and had 3 relatively straightforward pregnancies
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22:57 <Lucifer_arma> it'll comfort her to know that all that puking amounted to something good :)
22:58 <GodTodd> well...our bodies usually are trying to get bad shit out when we puke
22:58 <GodTodd> they usually don't puke for the hell of it :)
22:58 <GodTodd> karen only had morning sickness when she tasted toothpaste
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but shit is a one-way path through the stomach, the baby's refuse is kept in the placenta and otten rid of only after the baby's born
22:59 <GodTodd> i lost a few toothbrushes that way
22:59 <GodTodd> right....but if the body is puking out toxins that could hurt the fetus then that would make a safer environment
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, there wasn't any single thing that caused my wife to puke.  She'd feel perfectly fine, so we'd screw, then she'd go puke
23:00 <GodTodd> i'd puke if i screwed you too :P
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> true, but that would tend to imply she's eating shit to begin with
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you'd just have the runs
23:00 <GodTodd> nah...there's a lot of ways we get toxins in the body
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, afaik, toxins and shit only get into your stomach through your mouth, although I seem to remember that your body will pull some toxins into the stomach and puke it out
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> but I read that in a remo williams book, so the source is questionable :)
23:01 <GodTodd> heh
23:01 <GodTodd> we breathe in toxins all the time
23:01 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: my wife didn't even get morning sickness
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> still, it does make sense that your body could be bringing toxins into the stomach from other parts and puking it, then morning sickness would be a good thing
23:02 <GodTodd> not to mention that a "toxin" could be a dormant virus that the host never comes down with
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> and you get toxins even as a byproduct of regular digestion
23:02 <GodTodd> yep
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: then she didn't have a 70% reduction in her chances of a miscarriage
23:02 <luke-jr> heh
23:03  * Lucifer_arma notes the study doesn't say "if you don't get morning sickness, you'll miscarry"
23:03 <luke-jr> not from that at least
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, if god wanted her to have a kid, he couldn't very well let her miscarry, now could he?
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's only us satan-worshippers that have to worry about that stuff
23:04 <luke-jr> true
23:04 <luke-jr> :)
23:04 <GodTodd> heh...there must be a god....luke got laid at least once....explain that one without alcohol or divine intervention 
23:04 <GodTodd> :)
23:04 <GodTodd> insanity, possibly, i suppose
23:05 <luke-jr> GodTodd: something wrong with insanity??
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, coincidence is all that's needed
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> besides, him saying he got laid doesn't make it true
23:05 <GodTodd> ooh...maybe it was immaculate conception
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know what they say about catholic girls...
23:05 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you're saying I'm immaculate?
23:05 <GodTodd> with their tiny little mustache?
23:05 <GodTodd> :)
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:06 <GodTodd> luke-jr: no...i'm saying maybe you're a virgin and your wife got nailed by god
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> and worse yet, she probably liked it
23:06 <GodTodd> how do you dna test god?
23:06 <GodTodd> hmmm
23:06 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you're saying I'm God?
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, could Luke's wife do Swedish with God?
23:06 <GodTodd> not at all
23:07 <luke-jr> GodTodd: why not?
23:07 <luke-jr> :p
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23:07 <luke-jr> ghableska: hi
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: that's blasphemy
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> evil blasphemer!
23:07 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: GodTodd said it
23:07 <GodTodd> no, GodTodd said maybe you're a virgin and your wife got nailed by god
23:07 <GodTodd> read once before typing
23:07 <luke-jr> so you're saying not only am I God, but I'm a virgin who's had sex
23:08 <GodTodd> read once before typing
23:08 <ghableska> hi Lucifer_arma
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm a god
23:08 <GodTodd> i'm a god
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> my wife goes "oh god oh god oh god oh GOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!"
23:08 <GodTodd> <------------- see?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> hi ghableska (hi there!) 
23:08 <luke-jr> I'm a king
23:08 <luke-jr> King of Missouri
23:08 <luke-jr> so there
23:09 <luke-jr> my subjects just aren't very loyal
23:09 <luke-jr> :(
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> Missouri's a monarchy?  no wonder they're so fucked up...
23:09 <ghableska> heh
23:09 <luke-jr> yep
23:09 <luke-jr> now it is
23:09 <luke-jr> :p
23:09 <GodTodd> that's like being king of oklahoma or kansas....nothing to brag about
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> king of a few cows, couple of trees, and a bunch of tumbleweeds
23:09 <luke-jr> Sean Murray is king of Ohio
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> Every daaaay!   And none of their mothers ever seem to knoowww
23:10 <GodTodd> was gonna say....now i have zappa in my head...thanks :/
23:10 <GodTodd> heh
23:10 <luke-jr> ...wtf?
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he's singing that whole song to me right now
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> such a wonderful singing voice, and used well on all that porn rock :)
23:11 <GodTodd> he was never fully understood
23:11 <GodTodd> won't be for a while
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> There's nothing like a Catholic girl, in the CYO, when they learn to blo-oow
23:13 <GodTodd> tho i've always been partial to the classic "why does it hurt when i pee"
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> right after my wife and I got married, I went in the bathroom and sang that song
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> she freaked
23:14 <GodTodd> didn't he die of prostate cancer?
23:14 <GodTodd> heh, i bet
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :(
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> probably could have been saved with stem cell research!
23:15 <GodTodd> probably
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> another casualty in the war against decency
23:15 <GodTodd> so it's luke's fault
23:15 <GodTodd> :)
23:15 <luke-jr> adult stem cells maybe
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> only it did actually hurt when I peed.  It was an interesting couple of months right before we got married...
23:16 <GodTodd> damn...that was what...'93?
23:16 <GodTodd> '94 maybe?
23:16 <luke-jr> 1894
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> sounds about right, it was somewhere between 93 and 96 anyway
23:16 <GodTodd> i think i was at nmsua when he died
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> I was working at SOnic!
23:17 <GodTodd> so that'd put it between june of '93 and july of '94
23:17 <luke-jr> omg
23:17 <luke-jr> Sonic sucks
23:17 <GodTodd> luke-jr sucks
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> (December 21, 1940 – December 4, 1993) 
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa
23:18 <GodTodd> yeah...that sounds right :)
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6471 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/ (cMap.cpp cMap.h):
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: More stuff by voodoo: The clipping area of the map now stays fixed and doesn't
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: turn thanks to some cool openGL functions. I wrapped the thing that defines the
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: planes to clip into a class with virtual functions, so it will be possible to
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: implement more clipping modes (like a circle) in the future.
23:18 <GodTodd> goddamn wrtl
23:18 <GodTodd> heh
23:19 <wrtlprnft> :P
23:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: wtf? I want it to rotate
23:21 <wrtlprnft> umm
23:21 <wrtlprnft> the whole thing?!
23:21 <luke-jr> um, yeah?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> it's just the clipping area
23:22 <luke-jr> eh?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you check out the latest trunk and press cockpit key 1 a couple of times
23:22 <GodTodd> The PMRC proposal is an ill-conceived piece of nonsense which fails to deliver any real benefits to children, infringes the civil liberties of people who are not children, and promises to keep the courts busy for years dealing with the interpretational and enforcemental problems inherent in the proposal's design.
23:22 <wrtlprnft> though i guess i could add it as an option
23:22 <luke-jr> map-depedent?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> cockpit-dependent.
23:23 <luke-jr> ok :p
23:24 <GodTodd> cock-dependent?
23:24 <GodTodd> dirty people :P
23:24 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:24 <ghableska> O_o
23:24 <wrtlprnft> that's your interpretation
23:24 <wrtlprnft> dirty GodTodd.
23:24 <GodTodd> and?
23:24 <GodTodd> heh
23:25  * ghableska hands GodTodd a bible
23:25  * GodTodd already has one.
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> Whats wrong with something being rooster dependent, thats how i get breakfast
23:25 <luke-jr> lol
23:25  * wrtlprnft goes to amazon.com and orders 13 bibles for GodTodd, annonymously under his name, of course
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> chicken omlet
23:25 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma wins
23:25 <ghableska> heh
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> After being approached by a customer who offered him $100 to produce a suggestive tape for a stag party, Zappa and a female friend jokingly faked the "erotic" recording, which purported to contain the sounds of people having sex (which consisted of Frank and his friend jumping on the bed and making sex sounds). Unfortunately the customer was an undercover member of the Vice Squad and Zappa was jailed for ten days on
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> charges of supplying pornography. His entrapment and brief imprisonment left a permanent mark, and was a key event in the formation of his anti-authoritarian stance.
23:26 <GodTodd> well...actually...i don't think roosters are used at all in a chicken omlet
23:27 <luke-jr> wtf
23:27 <luke-jr> for only $100? easily bribed
23:27 <GodTodd> One of Frank's idols was comedian Lenny Bruce, and the original Mothers of Invention opened for him at his final performance. Before the show, Frank asked Lenny to sign his draft card. Apprehensive, Lenny declined.
23:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, any ideas on how to convert a line in parametric form (a+r*u, where a and u are vectors) to a*x+b*y=-c?
23:28 <wrtlprnft> too tired to get out paper and pencil
23:28 <Your_mom_arma> i dont get what zappa did worth getting arrested
23:28 <GodTodd> he made a porno recording
23:28 <GodTodd> i guess
23:28 <GodTodd> heh
23:29 <Your_mom_arma> i know, how is that arrest worthy though
23:29 <GodTodd> because it is/was a witch hunt
23:29 <GodTodd> duh :P
23:30 <GodTodd> "A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians."
23:30 <GodTodd> - Frank Zappa
23:30 <luke-jr> how do I configure cockpit keys?
23:30  * wrtlprnft grumbles and goes massacring a piece of paper with his pencil
23:30 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: system settings
23:31 <wrtlprnft> misc stuff
23:31 <wrtlprnft> global keyboard config
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> he provided a recording that was sexually stimulating
23:31 <luke-jr> ...
23:31 <luke-jr> shouldn't it be per-player?
23:31 <luke-jr> in fact, why isn't cockpit_file per-player?
23:31 <Your_mom_arma> sexually stimulating is relative
23:31 <wrtlprnft> isn't currently
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> basically, it's like if a girl walks up to you and says "Wanna screw?" and you ask "How much?".  If she's a cop, you're soliciting for prostitution
23:31 <wrtlprnft> because the current per-player thing sucks anyways
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> you could just be kicking tires, but you've already committed a crime
23:32 <wrtlprnft> though it would be an idea to have an instance of the cockpit for every player
23:32 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ok, so DCT can fix it :p
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the rules have lightened up a bit, and we can probably thank Zappa for it to some extent
23:32 <wrtlprnft> note that the current cockpit doesn't even work correctly in splitscreen with anything but 1 or 4 players
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> Your favorite band has a recording of people having sex on their third album :)
23:33 <Your_mom_arma> and i wouldnt have it any other way
23:33 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: nice
23:34 <wrtlprnft> thank voodoo for the actual graphics, me for making it configurable
23:34 <wrtlprnft> and jonathan for writing the map in the first place
23:34 <luke-jr> heh
23:34 <luke-jr> can I set a default mode? :p
23:34 <wrtlprnft> only in the cockpit file as of right now
23:34 <luke-jr> probably not
23:35 <luke-jr> that's one of those things we need DCT for
23:35 <wrtlprnft> just put your preferred mode at the top
23:35 <luke-jr> the cockpit could reference a made-up setting in the tree somewhere
23:35 <wrtlprnft> yeah, in fact i have a half-working implementation for that
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> no matter what you do your going to offend somebody
23:35 <luke-jr> if you're not Catholic, you're going to Hell
23:36  * luke-jr bets that offends a lot of people
23:36 <wrtlprnft> but it'll probably conflict with your plans big time, so i won't even bother to show you
23:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: for DCT?
23:36 <GodTodd> luke-jr: no...lies don't offend me
23:36 <wrtlprnft> no, for resource-specific settings
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> luke if you like the old cockpit download the one i made
23:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ah, read the DCT thread?
23:36  * wrtlprnft doesn't believe in hell, so luke-jr just talks a bunch of nonsense from my POW
23:36 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: I'm fine w/ the new one
23:36 <wrtlprnft> *POV
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> why should I be offended by someone telling me I'm going to hell?
23:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: your POV is pretty screwed up then :p
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> I've been saying it for years anyway.  Why would I want to go to heaven?  Heaven's ruled by a fascist dictator.
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> Concentration camps were invented in heaven
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> man only copied the design
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> tbrutal
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld rather go to hell then just not exist
23:38 <GodTodd> well....hitler was created in god's image ;)
23:38  * ghableska once again points to the link http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
23:39 <wrtlprnft> just stfu and let me work on this f** conversion, will you?
23:39 <wrtlprnft> ;)
23:39 <Your_mom_arma> i dont like the born again catholics, it looks like a cult(moreso then some of the wakier relegions) to me
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> In 1980, Zappa helped former band members Warren Cuccurullo, 
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I didn't know Warren Cuccurullo was a real person!
23:39 <ghableska> 378. ARGUMENT FROM GEORGE W. BUSH 
23:39 <ghableska> (1) That god won't hunt. 
23:39 <ghableska> (2) Y'all. 
23:39 <ghableska> (3) Ergo, um, axle of evil, ahh, claridify, umm, supportification, ah, pretzel. 
23:39 <ghableska> (3) Y'all.
23:39 <ghableska> (4) What he said.
23:39 <ghableska> (5) Therefore, God existifies.
23:39 <ghableska> (2) Launch.
23:39 <ghableska> heh
23:39 <luke-jr> ROFL
23:41 <ghableska> 365. ARGUMENT FROM ANAL FRUSTRATION
23:41 <ghableska> (1) God my ASS!!
23:41 <ghableska> (2) My ass exists.
23:41 <ghableska> (3) Therefore, God exists.
23:42 <GodTodd> ARGUMENT FROM ALIENS
23:42 <GodTodd> (1) Everyone knows that aliens don't exist.
23:42 <GodTodd> (2) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
23:42 <GodTodd> (3) Oh, but God's different!
23:42 <GodTodd> (4) Therefore, God exists
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I think I saw the crossfire episodes with Zappa arguing with the PMRC guys
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> cat shit exists, therefore there's a god of cat shit!
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr, God of Cat Shit
23:44 <GodTodd> # ARGUMENT FROM JESUS LOVES ME
23:44 <GodTodd> (1) Jesus loves me because the Bible says so.
23:44 <GodTodd> (2) If radiometric dating is valid, then Jesus might not love me after all because the Bible might not be literal truth.
23:44 <GodTodd> (3) That's unacceptable.
23:44 <GodTodd> (4) Therefore, radiometric dating is bogus, the Bible is literally true, Jesus loves me, and God exists.
23:44 <GodTodd> bahahaha
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> Jesus loves me with all his throat
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23:50 <wrtlprnft> hi
23:50 <luke-jr> hi
23:53 <Vanhayes> #hello
23:53 <armabot> Hello Vanhayes :) Random Fortune: Q: Why did the astrophysicist order three hamburgers? || A: Because he was hungry.
23:55 <Your_mom_arma> haha

Log from 2006-12-05:
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00:02 <Vanhayes> #f
00:03 <armabot> Random Fortune: There must be at least 500,000,000 rats in the United States; of course, || I never heard the story before.
00:03 <Vanhayes> I dont get it
00:03 <Vanhayes> #f
00:03 <armabot> Random Fortune: Keep me informed on the behaviour of this kernel.. As the "BugFree(tm)" || series didn't turn out too well, I'm starting a new series called the || "ItWorksForMe(tm)" series, of which this new kernel is yet another || shining example. || -- Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.29
00:04 <wrtlprnft> o_O
00:05 <Vanhayes> hmm
00:05 <Vanhayes> #i
00:05 <Vanhayes> #insight
00:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: The ignominious consumption of technological change will destabilize our future business models.
00:06 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - Snow ending this evening then cloudy periods with 30 percent chance of flurries. Amount 10 cm. Wind northwest 20 km/h. Low minus 8.; Tuesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind northwest 20 km/h. High minus 5. Tuesday night..a few (1 more message)
00:07 <Vanhayes> we finally got that cold front here, and now all the rain we were getting has turned into snow
00:07 <wrtlprnft> that's good.
00:07 <Vanhayes> about 10-15 cm now
00:07 <GodTodd> #g 10cm in in
00:07 <armabot> GodTodd: 10 centimeters = 3.93700787 in
00:07 <GodTodd> #g 15cm in in
00:07 <armabot> GodTodd: 15 centimeters = 5.90551181 in
00:08 <GodTodd> 4-6 inches...not bad
00:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: fix armabot so it sends all the lines :p
00:08 <Vanhayes> #more
00:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: clouds. Low minus 13.; Wednesday - Periods of snow or rain. High plus 2.;
00:08 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
00:09 <Vanhayes> #g -13 C in F
00:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: (-13) degrees Celsius = 8.6 degrees Fahrenheit
00:09 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 48.6°F (5:09 PM CST on December 04, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032.1 hPa. 
00:09 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: it sends as much as it can in one line
00:09 <luke-jr> so fix it
00:09 <wrtlprnft> it's not supposed to spam the channel w/ 50 lines of useless google results
00:09 <luke-jr> and it doesn't either
00:09 <wrtlprnft> there's nothing to fix, there's #more
00:09 <luke-jr> fortunes are trimmed at \n
00:10 <luke-jr> and they don't make sense that way
00:10 <GodTodd> kinda like luke
00:12 <luke-jr> If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
00:12 <Vanhayes> A=A not B
00:12 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: they are?
00:12 <wrtlprnft> #f
00:12 <armabot> Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #350: || paradigm shift...without a clutch
00:12 <wrtlprnft> #f
00:13 <Vanhayes> thats why its called A
00:13 <armabot> Random Fortune: "How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only || coded it." || (Attributed to Linus Torvalds, somewhere in a posting)
00:13 <luke-jr> lol good one
00:13 <wrtlprnft> they aren't trimmed
00:13 <luke-jr> ...
00:13 <wrtlprnft> newlines are replaced by ||
00:13 <luke-jr> aha
00:13 <luke-jr> Konversation hides || and that following it
00:13 <luke-jr> weird
00:13 <wrtlprnft> 00:13 <armabot> Random Fortune: "How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only || coded it." || (Attributed to Linus Torvalds, somewhere in a posting)
00:14 <wrtlprnft> fix your IRC client?
00:14 <luke-jr> I saw it in yours
00:14 <luke-jr> sure there's no colour codes getting in there?
00:14 <wrtlprnft> the || are bold
00:15 <wrtlprnft> supposed to be, my terminal emulation doesn't display bold text
00:15 <luke-jr> does it un-bold?
00:15 <wrtlprnft> should
00:15 <wrtlprnft> at least, if i access this screen from a windows pc w/ putty it looks right
00:16 <luke-jr> can you have armabot join #konversation plz?
00:16 <wrtlprnft> and in xterm it looks ok, too
00:16 <wrtlprnft> errm
00:16 <wrtlprnft> do they want armabot in there?
00:16 <luke-jr> hopefully
00:16 <wrtlprnft> well, you ask
00:16 <wrtlprnft> i watch
00:17 <wrtlprnft> don't want to have them kick me/armabot or get trouble w/ freenode staff
00:20 <wrtlprnft> #join #konversation
00:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
00:20 <wrtlprnft> #join #konversation
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #help f
00:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (f <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Random Fortune: [rss [echo http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/fortune.php?$randomint]]".
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #rss
00:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines.
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #rss                [echo http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/fortune.php?$randomint]
00:24 <armabot> Kansas state law requires pedestrians crossing the highways at night to || wear tail lights.
00:24 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: does this appear correctly?
00:25 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ?
00:25 <luke-jr> yeah
00:25 <Vanhayes> hmm is that true?
00:26 <luke-jr> no clue
00:26 <Vanhayes> anyone live in kansas?
00:26 <luke-jr> a road I take to work is on the state line
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> my brother lives in kansas
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> *one of my brothers
00:26 <luke-jr> Kansas City is like 20% in Kansas
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> I've driven through Kansas a couple of times
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> one time I stopped to kick the shit out of some born-again catholic kid.  Found out later that was luke-jr (hi there!) 
00:28 <Vanhayes> Im sure he had it coming
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> hey Vanhayes (hi there!) , you missed it.  I invaded Luke :)
00:29 <luke-jr> Chapter 272 of the Massachusetts General Laws states, for example:
00:29 <luke-jr> Section 36. Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, His creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more
00:29 <luke-jr> than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> don't they let gay people love each other for life in Massachussetts?
00:30 <Vanhayes> old law?
00:30 <luke-jr> hope not
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they let gay people get married there.  The idiot governor's trying to get it reversed somehow by doing an end-run around the people
00:30 <Vanhayes> might take a trip to massachussetts to test it
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> wear a t-shirt that says "Jesus loves me with all his throat"
00:31 <Vanhayes> the god thing, not the gay thing
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> and in the ensuing invasion, I captured both cities where he built wonders, and he retook one of them, but it was a 1 point city, so it was destroyed
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> s/invasion/battle
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> why he let me keep the other city when I withdrew most of my units to protect one city as a beachhead and basically conceded 3-4 cities to him, I'll never know
00:33 <luke-jr> In one Michigan case, a man who let loose a stream of curses after falling out of a canoe in 1999 was convicted of violating a law against cursing in front of women and children. He was fined US$75 and ordered to perform four days of community service.
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> man, I curse all the time
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> "You're not cleaning your room, you're fucking off!  Quit fucking off and fucking clean your room!"
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> so I asked my kid a few weeks ago, "What are you doing?  You're supposed to be cleaning your room."
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> He said "I'm fucking off"
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> 6 years old.  heh
00:35 <luke-jr> you should go to jail
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> why?  for telling my kids to clean their rooms?
00:35 <luke-jr> for irresponsible parenting
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> because having kids clean their rooms is irresponsible?
00:36 <luke-jr> * Washington state has a law against having sex with a virgin... even on her/his wedding night. 
00:36 <Vanhayes> swearing never he=urt anyone
00:36 <Vanhayes> uh, wouldnt that mean no one would have sex if they followed the law?
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you'll probably have a hard time proving I'm an irresponsible parent.  I might have methods you disagree with, but on the other hand I think you should be strung up for taking your kid to church
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> nothing is more damaging than forcing religion on an innocent kid
00:37 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: unless they left the state first
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's abusive behavior, and parents who do it should be shot, plain and simple
00:37 <luke-jr> Catherine comes willingly :)
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> feeding kids candy is also abusive, especially if you expect them to behave afterwards
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, she doesn't know any better.  She's what, a year now?
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> She can't be expected to make a responsible decision on the matter, that's why you're being irresponsible
00:38 <luke-jr> It's a good thing. There is no better.
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> kids are psychologically incapable of understanding religion until they're at least 12
00:38 <luke-jr> irrelevant
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> all you do is confuse and indoctrinate them
00:38 <luke-jr> indoctrination is only bad when its used to teach falsehoods
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter once said "Daddy's just saying that because he knows I believe in God.  I also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny"
00:39 -!- j0h4nn3s [n=j@i577B9A96.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're teaching her falsehoods, and she'll be scarred for life because of it
00:39 <luke-jr> nonsense
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> you should be hung by your neck until your feet quit kicking
00:39 -!- j0h4nn3s is now known as wejp
00:39 <Vanhayes> I love luke-jr's arguments
00:40  * Lucifer_arma notes that a religious household is much more likely to have physically and sexually abusive parents than a non-religious household
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> self-righteousness is bad
00:41 <luke-jr> only if you define 'religious' to include false religions
00:42 <Your_mom_arma> luke how can you prove other religions are wrong when religions are based on beliefs one can not prove?
00:42 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: Catholicism can be proven, given time
00:43 <Your_mom_arma> explain
00:43 <luke-jr> It is possible to prove Catholicism as true
00:43 <luke-jr> it is easier to prove other religions as false
00:44 <Your_mom_arma> prove away
00:44 <luke-jr> no thanks, that'd take days at the very least to address every doctrine
00:44 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: your wrong
00:44 <Vanhayes> no 
00:44 <Vanhayes> er
00:45 <Your_mom_arma> note that when i offer him the chance to prove himself he refuses
00:45 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: now, if you were to state a specific doubt about Catholicism, that might be more practical
00:45 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: it's easier to disprove the false religions than to prove all of Catholicism
00:45 <luke-jr> it's called elimination
00:46 <Your_mom_arma> fine, disprove buhdism
00:46 <luke-jr> you disprove them until there's only one left
00:46 <Your_mom_arma> pfft
00:46 <luke-jr> of course, another approach would be proving Catholicism through miracles
00:47 <luke-jr> since miracles have always come from the Church
00:47 <luke-jr> but that doesn't work when people discount history
00:47 <Your_mom_arma> what if i lined up 10 blocks and asked you to find the blue one you go down the line proving that 1-9 is red that must mean 10 is blue, but its still red
00:48 <luke-jr> then you're making the claim that there is no truth, which is clearly impossible
00:48 <luke-jr> or that it is impossible to know the truth, which makes life meaningless
00:48 <Your_mom_arma> luke do you really believe a 40 year old woman seeing an angel on her piece of toast is a miracle?
00:48 <luke-jr> however, disproving atheism is also implicitly showing that life cannot be meaningless
00:49 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: no, I would say it didn't happen
00:49 <luke-jr> However, I would say the Sun moving outside of its natural pattern is
00:49 <luke-jr> as well as the crowd witnessing being dried up so quickly
00:50 <luke-jr> not to mention when the Eucharist bleeds fresh 2000 year old blood
00:50 <luke-jr> etc
00:50 <Your_mom_arma> what
00:51 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: there are many well documented miracles witnessed by multitudes
00:51 <luke-jr> don't forget about the Saints whose bodies have never decomposed
00:51 <Vanhayes> have you seen their bodies?
00:52 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: myself, I haven't left the US yet
00:52 <Your_mom_arma> yeah, i've also seen david blane float, that doesnt meant he can float
00:52 <luke-jr> anyone can float
00:52 -!- wejp_ [n=j@i577BA452.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:53 <luke-jr> last I checked, kids were taught to float on their back as part of regular education
00:53 <Your_mom_arma> well teach me how to do it without machines or tricks
00:53 <luke-jr> ...
00:53 <Vanhayes> or water
00:53 <Your_mom_arma> cheap
00:53 <luke-jr> floating w/o water? wtf
00:53 <Your_mom_arma> i ment float in the air
00:54 <luke-jr> that's "hover"
00:54 <Your_mom_arma> like hover
00:54 <luke-jr> float means on the surface of a fluid
00:54 <luke-jr> air isn't fluid
00:54 <Your_mom_arma> #dict float
00:54 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Float \Float\, v. t. 1. To cause to float; to cause to rest or move on the surface of a fluid; as, the tide floated the ship into the harbor. [1913 Webster] Had floated that bell on the Inchcape rock. --Southey. [1913 Webster] 2. To flood; to overflow; to cover with water. [1913 Webster] Proud Pactolus floats the fruitful lands. --Dryden. [1913 Webster] (18 more messages)
00:54 <Your_mom_arma> you win this time
00:54 <luke-jr> lol
00:54 <Your_mom_arma> you kknew what i ment though
00:55 <luke-jr> not really
00:55 <luke-jr> I was wondering wtf you were amazed at
00:55 <luke-jr> but hovering is hardly a miracle
00:55 <luke-jr> even when it defies science, it could even be demonic in nature
00:56 <luke-jr> IIRC, possessed people often hover
00:56 <Your_mom_arma> so your saying magicians are evil?
00:56 <luke-jr> it wouldn't surprise me if many are
00:56 <Your_mom_arma> He's a witch!
00:56 <Vanhayes> ... possesed people
00:56 <Your_mom_arma> luke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=418avmwfx3Y
00:57 <Your_mom_arma> so that guys possesed by the devil?
00:57 <luke-jr> no clue, maybe he's using tricks
00:58 <luke-jr> but it's certainly no guarantee that he's holy
00:58 <Your_mom_arma> i didnt say he was
00:58 <Your_mom_arma> i said believing he could would be similar to believing in miracles
00:59 <luke-jr> Non-belief in miracles is just plain ignorance or denial
00:59 <Your_mom_arma> believe a quarter of what you hear and half of what you see
00:59 <Your_mom_arma> luke ever watched mythbusters?
01:01 <luke-jr> never heard of it
01:01 <Your_mom_arma> meh im bored with arguing with luke
01:01 <luke-jr> 70,000 witnesses to the Fatima miracle
01:01 <Your_mom_arma> its like arguing with someone whos been brainwashed
01:01 <luke-jr> were they all on pot?
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> yes, they were
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> specific doubt about catholicism: I doubt that the god of the Catholics is a real entity
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> was the Fatima miracle the one where Oprah got skinny?
01:18 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> In 1992 details relating to the apparitions, which had previously been unreleased, were finally revealed. A priest who had interviewed the children at the time of the apparitions reported their description of the Lady wearing a short skirt, earrings and a necklace with a medallion.[14] This did not accord with the norms[15] of modesty expected of the Blessed Virgin and was not included in the official reports at the time.
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> "Jacinta declares that Our Lady's dress goes down only to her knees. Our Lady can only appear dressed, obviously, in the most decent and modest way. The dress would have to come down to her feet. Any other way constitutes the most serious obstacle to the supernaturalism of the apparition and makes us think that it is a mystification prepared by the Spirit of Darkness. But how can we explain the belief of so many thousands
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> of people, their living faith and burning piety, the modesty and the composure they show in all their acts, the silence and behavior of the crowd, the numerous and astonishing conversions caused by the events, the appearance of extraordinary signs in the sky and on the earth, verified by thousands of witnesses? How can we explain, I repeat, all these facts and conciliate them with divine providence and the laws that rule
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> the supernatural world, above all after the establishment of Christianity, if the Demon is the cause of such events? (Documentação, Doc. 7, pp. 66–67, cited in Armada and Fernandes, p. 190)
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> this is all about the Fatima miracle, btw
01:24 <Your_mom_arma> "The children wore tight cords around their waists to cause pain, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance."-about the children who saw the miracle
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> The short dress worn by the Virgin during the apparitions did not form part of any official description released at the time, instead ,and in sharp contrast, the Virgin was reported as saying: "Certain fashions will be introduced which will offend my Son (Jesus) very much."
01:24 <Your_mom_arma> im quite sure abused children would see "miracles"
01:26 <luke-jr> right, a non-Catholic "priest" claims to have interviewed the children and be told such things, AFTER THE CHILDREN ARE DEAD and thus cannot accuse him
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> so have you guys managed to play player team vs player team civ yet
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> it was probably some woman working as a socialist.  This was 1917, the red revolution was going on in Russia, and socialist movements were going throughout europe
01:26 <luke-jr> he is the only witness to his claims
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> you should check the references on the wikipedia page yourself
01:27 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: nobody said the children were forced to do those things btw
01:27 <luke-jr> the fact that they were works of penence implies they did so of their own free will
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> but it could also hide the fact that they were ordered to by some idiot catholic adult
01:27 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: it was "revealed" in 1992
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> and as idiot catholic adults tend to put it, "Do it my way or go to hell, it's your choice!", which we know damn well is no choice
01:28 <luke-jr> all the children were dead, and the priest was most likely non-Catholic and lying
01:28 <luke-jr> certainly the only witness to his claims
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01:28 <Lucifer_arma> so?  It was part of the accounts that were covered up by the church
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> look if they did that on their own accord they had to of had some kind of mental anguish or disability
01:28 <luke-jr> it wasn't, it was made up
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> the priest who did the interviewing was somebody different than the priest who released the account in 1992
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> written accounts made at the time something happened can be hidden and revealed later.  If you don't believe that, you'll have to disregard 90% of your bible
01:29 <Your_mom_arma> btw the third secret sounds like an end of the world prediction that didnt come true
01:29 <luke-jr> where's the written account?
01:29 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: the third secret has already happened
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> hell, it could have been some socialist chick that used fancy fireworks effects to appear as a miracle worker to a people who felt very oppressed under the rise of freemasonry in Portugal
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: kept by the catholic church somewhere
01:30 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: then how did a non-Catholic get it?
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> I told *you* the check the references because I don't care enough about it to do it myself
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> because it was released to the public.  Even the catholic church occasionally declassifies shit and releases it to the public.
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01:32  * Lucifer_arma notes there's a lot more evidence supporting alien abductions, why do people believe the Fatima miracle but not alien abductions?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> I met a guy who gave me an eyewitness account of being abducted by aliens
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> do I believe he was abducted by aliens?
01:32 <luke-jr> 70,000 who can give a compatible witness of the same event?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> yep
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> read about the UFO crash in Roswell :)
01:32 <Your_mom_arma> burn
01:33 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/rubber/death-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
01:33 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/rubber/win-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
01:33 <ghableska> are we still on religion?
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> besides, if 70k people give a compatible witness of an event, it's questionable.  People's points of views differ too much.  For any real event, there must be contradiction in 70,000 different peoples' accounts for it to be credible
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> we're trying to move into alien abductions :)
01:34 <ghableska> ah, at least a little more plausible ;)
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> :)
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> my mother-in-law has seen alien spaceships come down to earth twice in her life so far
01:35 <ghableska> lol
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> she also talks to Jesus every day.  Coincidence?
01:35 <ghableska> heh
01:35 <ghableska> wait, so that means aliens are god's children or whatever?
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> aliens would disprove god, because they're not mentioned at all in the bible, and only things mentioned in the bible are real
01:35 <ghableska> heh
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> everything that originates on this planet is implicitly mentioned in the bible, but aliens by definition are not from this planet
01:36 <Your_mom_arma> lucifer preists can bend words to mean different things so im not so sure of that
01:36 <ghableska> if aliens were discovered, they might just be called "angels"
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> ?  they don't have to bend the words at all, they just need to make new "translations"
01:36 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:37 <ghableska> was limbo abolished?
01:37 <Your_mom_arma> there probobly are aliens out there somewhere but i cant say whether they've been to earth or not
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> ask nemo, it's his server
01:37 <luke-jr> Limbo is doctrine
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's pretty limo
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> *limbo
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> *limber
01:38 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> limbo rhymes with bimbo.  Coincidence?
01:39 <ghableska> hahahahaha
01:40 <Your_mom_arma> so have you guys managed a game of team player v player civ yet?
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> not yet
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> I just declared my intention last night of fighting with humans again by invading luke-jr (hi there!) 
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> the ais are all boring now.  I still want ais, don't get me wrong, but I don't want to do humans vs ais by default anymore
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I think we should be more careful about how we treat alliances in the future, and now that we know that allies can win together, maybe we can still have less betrayals
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> whenever humans have fought humans before, there's been alliance betrayals that soured the game.  I suspect that if we're careful about that stuff, we can avoid it.
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> basically it amounts to not using an alliance with a person to take advantage of them and run a sneak attack (I've said all this before)
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> and not forming alliances with people you intend to invade knowing you'll invade them, and maybe the rest of us can agree to go after people who do that shit
01:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I don't break alliances
01:44 <luke-jr> and I ally with AIs all the time
01:45 <luke-jr> so generally, my allies are people nearby me
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, I haven't broken any alliances in awhile :)
01:54 <luke-jr> liar
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> awhile is relative, but I haven't broken any alliances since I sneak attacked you in that one game
02:02 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:02 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 24.8°F (6:54 PM CST on December 04, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 17.6°F. Pressure: 30.35 in 1028 hPa. 
02:02 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
02:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM AST; Tonight - Snow ending this evening then cloudy periods with 30 percent chance of flurries. Wind northwest 20 km/h. Low minus 8.; Tuesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind northwest 20 km/h. High minus 5. Tuesday night..a few clouds. Low (1 more message)
02:02 <Vanhayes> #more
02:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: minus 13.; Wednesday - Periods of snow or rain. High plus 2.;
02:05 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
02:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 46.4°F (7:04 PM CST on December 04, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029.0 hPa. 
02:07  * Lucifer_arma has also never broken an alliance with spidey (hi there!) 
02:07  * Lucifer_arma has had alliances with Your_mom_arma (hi there!) break as collateral damage, though.
02:07 <ghableska> nice tab completion
02:08  * Vanhayes has broken every alliance with luke that he can remember
02:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you broke alliance with me last night
02:11 <Vanhayes> mostly because he usually has little or no def and always settles on or way to close to my land, even when I tell him not to
02:11 <luke-jr> that's a dumb expectation
02:11 <luke-jr> alliance means you're united together
02:11 <Vanhayes> that my ally will respect my border?
02:11 <luke-jr> eg, one country more or less
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: we didn't have an alliance last night
02:12 <luke-jr> yes we did
02:12 <luke-jr> or was that Dutch
02:12 <luke-jr> O.o
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> that was dutch
02:12 <luke-jr> o
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> we only had peace because I didn't want you to figure out I was going to attack you :)
02:12 <luke-jr> now the part that annoyed me was
02:12 <luke-jr> I had almost attacked you 2 or 3 times thinking you were someone else
02:13 <luke-jr> then I find out I should have
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, that was your own problem.  I joined that game for one and only one reason, to annihilate you.
02:13 <luke-jr> so you lied
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> ?  yeah, I did do some dishonest things, but I didn't ally with you and use an alliance against you
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> I got shared vision from the sumerians, who had it with you, and that's it.
02:14 <luke-jr> and made a peace treaty with me
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> I also lied on the ceasefire, I've got enough troops now in your land that when the ceasefire's over, I'll walk all over what's left
02:14 <luke-jr> you think
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> 20 howitzers is pretty convincing
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> ~10 artillery
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> the artillery's obsolete, obviously
02:15 <luke-jr> not if I move all my mech inf to one city
02:15 <Vanhayes> ha
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> good luck
02:15 <luke-jr> not to mention, that's only one part of my land
02:15 <Vanhayes> what a plan
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> you might hold out in that one city for a little while, but I'm putting out 4 howitzers every 2 turns on my homeland
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> and in two of the cities I took from you, I'm putting out howitzers every 3 turns
02:16 <luke-jr> no surprise there
02:16 <luke-jr> you took my best cities
02:16 <luke-jr> which were admittedly undefended as I usually do
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> and while I don't know where you've settled since I declared war on you, I did have an up to date map of all of your territory the same turn I invaded
02:16  * luke-jr usually sets those to produce Mech Inf and fortify them all there
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> you've got to understand, the units I sent to your homeland were a suicidal force
02:17 <luke-jr> yes, but you're not prepared to even attack that
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> they weren't expected to live :)
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> I've got the logistics train to hit all of your cities, but it will take a few turns to get it rolling against your southern cities
02:17 <luke-jr> you think
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> but you're land-connected to an area very near mine, so I can railroad my way to you and won't have to supply by ship
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> I've got 5 transports, and I only stopped there because it's all I need to fight where I'm fighting
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> I had 23 submarines when we quit last night :)
02:19 <Vanhayes> so are all the freeciv games from now on going to be that big?
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> 2 of them are fully loaded with missiles, but I'll switch missile production to bombers when I start preparing to hit your other cities
02:19 <luke-jr> wait what
02:19 <luke-jr> subs can hold missiles??
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> bombers are more useful for long-range campaigns than missiles, I've decided
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> yes
02:20 <GodTodd> submarines are the ones that like being on bottom
02:20  * Lucifer_arma is a submarine
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> what did you think I hit you with when I attaacked?
02:20 -!- Commn is now known as Compn
02:20 <luke-jr> I didn't know how they got nearby
02:20 <GodTodd> they're the bitches of the marine on marine relationship
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> I cleared the target cities with missiles, then used a marine to take the coastal city I needed
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> then I moved the transport in it and unloaded
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> when you do that, you get full movement of the units on it
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's how I broke in and took 4 cities in one turn
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it was more, I forget.  I only know that the next turn I withdrew all my units to defend the one coastal city so I could bring more units in
02:21 <luke-jr> you could have unloaded them on land and I probably wouldn't have noticed..
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> That was after you destroyed Kyoto, where most of your wonders were, and I decided not to try to hold a city that didn't exist anymore
02:22 <luke-jr> erm
02:22 <luke-jr> I didn't destroy it
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> Kyoto was my primary target, and the forces didn't have to survive the ttack :)
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, when you went to reoccupy it it was destroyed
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> I knocked it to 1 point when I took it, and you retook it and destroyed it
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> so while I didn't get the wonders for myself, their usage was denied to everybody, which was an acceptable result
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> also, I can't see cities in the diplomacy dialog, so I'm not likely to accept treaties with people I'm at war with
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> that also means I didn't know you were giving me a city for the cease fire
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> I would have removed the city from the treaty if I'd see it, sorry about that
02:27 <luke-jr> o
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> and since we were at war, I couldn't really trust you to read the dialog to me
02:28 <luke-jr> the Alliance one had 2-3 cities
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> there's no telling, you could have sneaked some of my own cities into it, heh
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe I'll fire up my regular client for treaties like that.  I wish I knew why the warclient doesn't show cities or techs, though.
02:29 <luke-jr> *g*
02:29 <luke-jr> that wouldn't been fun
02:29 <luke-jr> next time remind me to steal all your cities :p
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm in agreement with spidey (hi there!) .  Fighting the ais is getting boring, I want to fight humans instead, but I don't want to have alliances break down like they did at first.
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not saying alliances can't break down, just that I want it to happen without souring the game.
02:30 <luke-jr> I don't want to fight :p
02:30 <GodTodd> heh...that leaves luke out
02:30 <GodTodd> afaik
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> and after a sneak attack, I think a cease fire should be given if it's asked for.  That's the main reason I gave you a cease-fire, and have honored it, and will honor it.
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you were a more reliable ally, you could back me in a fight.  Do whatever you want, just feed me techs for fighting.
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> But Vanhayes (hi there!) is right, as an ally you always infringe on other people's spaces
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> we establish borders, claim islands and shit, and you don't respect them
02:32 <luke-jr> I like to have cities near others
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> there's more to being a good ally than not attacking
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, we don't want our cities too close.  Connect them with roads/rail later, but honor the damn borders!
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> I like both Vanhayes (hi there!) and spidey (hi there!) as allies because I know that I can establish borders with them and they'll honor them
02:33 <luke-jr> and no, I won't honour "I claim that isle" right when I find it
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> why?
02:33 <luke-jr> can't do roads/rail when I'm not on the isle
02:33 <luke-jr> why? because I FOUND THE FSCKING PLACE
02:33 <luke-jr> if you want it, get a settler there
02:34 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: I was joking about most of them
02:34 <luke-jr> but don't go calling it verbally
02:34 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: o
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> the one occasion I know about, you weren't the first to find it, someone (I think Vanhayes) was sending a settler already
02:34 <GodTodd> #joke
02:34 <armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
02:34 <Vanhayes> ya
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> *two occasions, the second one was me, and I enforced my claim with muskets
02:34 <Lucifer_arma> but we weren't allies, we were only at Peace
02:35 <luke-jr> I thought Luci did it once
02:35 <luke-jr> but then I found he had settled it later
02:35 <Vanhayes> I almost always honor borders, the only time I havent that I can remember is that time with fluffy where the border moved 2 over
02:35 <luke-jr> so I gave him my city
02:35 <Vanhayes> woops
02:35 <luke-jr> err, I later found he had settled it first
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> you had to find I settled it, but I already told you I settled it
02:35 <luke-jr> I just want to have a 1 city on the same continent
02:35 <Vanhayes> ah there I kept forgeting to save after deleting that auto replace
02:35 <luke-jr> or maybe a few if it's large
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> when you were out there with a boat, I said "I've already started settling that island"
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> you put your city there anyway, so I resolved to take it from you, and if it meant total war, I was getting ready for it
02:36 <luke-jr> must've missed that?
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, when we're split up on continents, I don't want to have cities on the same continent :)
02:36 <luke-jr> why?
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> not my home continent anyway, you know, where my capital is
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> although, I'm considering making an exchange of cities a requirement for an alliance with me
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> think of it as a way of enforcing the alliance :)
02:37 <luke-jr> erm
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> also, it would be a lot easier for me to defend my science partner if our cities were intermingled
02:37 <luke-jr> so what you're saying is
02:37 <luke-jr> you want an alliance before I have a city on your continent
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> Peace != alliance
02:38 <luke-jr> so what you're saying is
02:38 <luke-jr> you want an alliance before I have a city on your continent
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
02:38 <armabot> pong
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't want an alliance unless there's a real need for it
02:39 <luke-jr> fending AIs off is a real need for me
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> spidey and I stay at peace until we get to each other's areas with caravans/freights.  Then we ally so the freights can have free movement
02:39 <luke-jr> I don't want to do military until forced
02:39 <GodTodd> fending off ais should force it ;)
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, I ally with ais too, but I build my own defenses
02:40 <luke-jr> my point being
02:40 <luke-jr> that allies make AIs less likely to pick on you
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> see, something you seem to be missing, you could ally with an ai near you, right?
02:40 <luke-jr> I try
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> and that ai might be at war with an ai near *me*
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> and if I ally with you, the ai near me will attack me
02:40 <luke-jr> I don't think it works that way
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's in my best interests to avoid alliances as much as possible
02:40 <luke-jr> I think I'd need to be at war w/ the AI near you myself
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, it does.
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't declare war on that ai, your ally with break the alliance
02:41 <luke-jr> sometimes
02:41 <GodTodd> luke-jr: ever heard the saying "the friend of my enemy is my enemy"?
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> always.  It always happens.  I had the Dutch saying "Declare war on luke!"
02:41 <luke-jr> well, I guess usually that AI declares war on me first
02:41 <Lucifer_arma> probably.  :)
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> spidey and I both allied with the dutch to keep him from going after us
02:42 <luke-jr> GodTodd: want to play tonight?
02:42 <luke-jr> I allied w/ Dutch too :p
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> I declared war on the sioux finally because the dutch told me to, but I didn't want to
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> you did it after a human took him over, spidey and I were dealing with him as an ai
02:42 <luke-jr> I was at war w/ Sioux too
02:42 <GodTodd> sounds like there're too many wuss rules...so i dunno
02:42 <luke-jr> no, I allied w/ Dutch before that
02:42 <luke-jr> and he broke it off
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> wuss rules?
02:42 <GodTodd> yeah...like don't attack luke and let him settle wherever
02:42 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: let's play as a team and intermingle our cities :)
02:43 <luke-jr> GodTodd: actually, I don't know if I'm going to trust you all to follow those rules :p
02:43  * luke-jr thinks the ruleset should make alliances unbreakable :p
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see how the game goes when we know ahead of time who our allies will be, and play a team game, but later on probably won't want to do that, just play it where the cards lie
02:43 <GodTodd> luke-jr: smart...cuz those rules would be broken faster than a whore's back
02:43 <luke-jr> GodTodd: those ones you cited were never rules btw
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> if the ruleset made alliances unbreakable, I'd *never* make alliances
02:44 <Vanhayes> hmm, are teams unbreakable?
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> teams are unbreakable!
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> you create them before the game
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> teammates spawn next to each other
02:44 <luke-jr> I don't want predetermined alliances tho
02:44 <Vanhayes> why not...
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, I want to do it to find out how the game flows when we fight humans vs humans
02:44 <luke-jr> boring
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> ?  there are other alliances...
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> there's a reason I want to do it with 3 teams instead of 2 :)
02:45 <luke-jr> eh?
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> being on a team doesn't mean you can't make other alliances
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, anyway
02:45 <luke-jr> yes it does
02:45 <luke-jr> last time I played teams anyhow
02:45 <GodTodd> luke needs his own team
02:45 <Vanhayes> hmm Id like to try teams next time we all play
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> it might have been setup that way, teams can always do diplomacy with themselves no matter how it's setup
02:46 <luke-jr> only if I get 4x starting units :p
02:46 <GodTodd> sure...all explorers :P
02:46 <luke-jr> so shall we try teams tonight?
02:46 <luke-jr> we have enough players I think
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, I wouldn't object to having starting units as long as there's a ton of settlers and workers :)
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> maybe after 11pm or so, for me
02:46 <luke-jr> that's way too late...
02:46 <luke-jr> that'd give us an hour before bedtime
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> that's when I can play :/
02:47 <GodTodd> yeah...luke's wife would never go for that
02:47 <luke-jr> what's stopping you from playing now?
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> the fact that I'm about to go into the kitchen and cook dinner for my family
02:47 <luke-jr> ...
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I should already be in there
02:47 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: lame
02:47 <GodTodd> heh
02:47 <Vanhayes> well I cant tonight, too late already
02:47 <luke-jr> we can take breaks
02:47 <luke-jr> omg
02:47 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: baby
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> ?
02:47 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: school
02:47 <luke-jr> it's nowhere near late
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> you won't play past midnight and vanhayes is a baby somehow?
02:47 <luke-jr> it's not even 8 pm
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> 7:47
02:48 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: its almost 10
02:48 <GodTodd> Vanhayes: but school is lame
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> and it's after 8 where Vanhayes (hi there!) is
02:48 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: I thought you were in Canada?
02:48 <luke-jr> and 10 isn't that late
02:48 <Vanhayes> I am
02:48  * Lucifer_arma shows luke-jr (hi there!) a map of Canada's timezones
02:48 <luke-jr> does Canada have a timezone east of US?
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> yes
02:48 <luke-jr> wtf
02:48 <Vanhayes> atlantic
02:48 <luke-jr> that's dumb
02:48 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: move to midwest or texas
02:48 <Vanhayes> your dumb, timezones make sense
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> not that it matters, vanhayes is in EST anyway, right?
02:48 <luke-jr> anyhow, 10 isn't that late
02:48 <ghableska> no
02:49 <luke-jr> timezones don't make sense
02:49 <Vanhayes> Im atlantic
02:49 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: Eastern is 8:49
02:49 <Vanhayes> -4 GMT now I think
02:49 <GodTodd> neither does catholocism but you agree with it
02:49 <GodTodd> :P
02:49 <luke-jr> yes it does
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> oh right, EST is only 1 hour ahead of me, heh
02:50 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: 2 right now
02:50 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: well Im pretty tired and ill probly be asleep in an hour or so
02:50 <luke-jr> but Eastern != EST right now
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> um, yeah it is
02:50 <luke-jr> no, it's EDT...
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> daylight savings is in the summer, when it'd be EDT
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, you're backwards :)
02:50 <luke-jr> whatever
02:50 <luke-jr> DST is dumber than TZs
02:50 <Vanhayes> hmm when does it get dark there?
02:50 <luke-jr> like 5
02:50 <GodTodd> there's the witty reply i've come to expect from luke :)
02:51 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> whatever
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> 5:30-6
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> lemme guess, it gets dark where you're at like at 3pm?
02:51 <luke-jr> why should the time change to make the sun go down earlier?
02:51 <Vanhayes> nah, 5 ish is about right
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> sun comes up around 10am?
02:52 <Vanhayes> sun comes up around 6-7
02:52 <luke-jr> why are we asking each other these dumb questions about when the sun does what?
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> that's what Seattle was like near the winter solstice
02:52 <luke-jr> with timezones it should be the same for all of us
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> no
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> when people are farther north, the sunrises later and sets earlier
02:52 <luke-jr> fun, so timezones don't even serve *THAT* purpose
02:52 <luke-jr> they're really useless
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> no they're not :)
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> 9-5 means the same thing everywhere
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> if we didn't have timezones, 9-5 in GMT would be some weird hour in Texas
02:53 <luke-jr> as if "work hours" is so hard
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02:53 <luke-jr> 9-5 GMT is still a weird hour in TX
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, it means you adjust your equipment when you move
02:53 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: invent a better system or stop complaining
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> instead of adjusting your thoughts
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> while I'm not opposed to adjusting thoughts, I do know that when you live in an area most of the time and go to new areas some of the time, those time-besd habits are ingrained
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> and probably nearly impossible to deal with
02:54 <luke-jr> right, because it's so hard to get used to different work hours
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> but for people that travel a lot, it doesn't matter either way
02:55 <luke-jr> for people that do international communications, it serves as a pain in the butt often
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> how?
02:55 <luke-jr> that's almost everyone these days
02:55 <luke-jr> scheduling stuff
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> not if everyone knows their offset from GMT and does their scheduling off GMT
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> so I say "let's meet at 10:00 GMT"
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> you adjust it for your clock, I adjust it for mine
02:56 <luke-jr> right, because everyone knows their offset
02:56 <luke-jr> DST screws up most who do
02:56 <Vanhayes> -4
02:56 <luke-jr> heck, even I don't know my offset
02:56 <luke-jr> but then I avoid timezones anyway
02:56 <Vanhayes> its not really hard
02:56 <luke-jr> I'm -5 or -6
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> -6
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> -5 in daylight savings
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, until recently, most people didn't have to worry about it
02:57 <Vanhayes> anyways, good night
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd wager that most people still don't have to worry about it
02:57 <Vanhayes> #night
02:57 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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02:57 <Lucifer_arma> I need to go cook dinner, bbl
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04:25 <spidey> #ping
04:25 <armabot> pong
04:34 <ghableska> #weather 50265
04:34 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 24.8°F (8:54 PM CST on December 04, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Windchill: 17.6°F. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa. 
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
04:38 <armabot> pong
04:38 <ghableska> #pong
04:38 <armabot> ping
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04:43 <DrJoeTr0n> ahahaha the SA boards were digg'd
04:43 <DrJoeTr0n> no wonder why they've been running like crap
04:44 <DrJoeTr0n> it was for a thread about a guy who recognized their sister in a porno :p http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2191192
04:45 <Compn> hahaha
04:45 <Compn> sounds funny
04:46 <DrJoeTr0n> im so glad i registered :)
04:46 <DrJoeTr0n> il be back
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05:04 <ghableska> #night
05:04 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:26 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: spidey GodTodd
05:28 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6472 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/DCT.txt: DCT plans
05:30 <DrJoeTr0n> ko
05:34 <spidey> luke-jr, 
05:34 <luke-jr> 5555
05:38 <spidey> luke-jr, unai me
05:38 <luke-jr> in a bit
05:39 <spidey> ..
05:40 <luke-jr> ah, I see
05:41 <luke-jr> ok, restarted
05:42 <luke-jr> come play now
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> this the same game as last night?
05:54 <luke-jr> no
05:54 <luke-jr> size 6
05:56 <luke-jr> um
05:56 <luke-jr> Swedish AI just bought...
06:01 <GodTodd> ...a hooker for you?
06:02 <spidey> i wanna finish that game from last night
06:02 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr !
06:04 <luke-jr> I don't
06:05 <spidey> ...
06:06 <spidey> then find someone else to play with :|
06:08 <spidey> we rarely finish a game, and i'm getting tired of building a new civ over other day
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06:14 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't want to finish it because he knows I'm going to wipe him out
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> can't blame him for that
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: spidey (hi there!) GodTodd (hi there!) you guys playing a game right now?
06:16 <spidey> his fault
06:16 <spidey> he fucking smallpoxs, not building anything else
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's not his fault I invaded him.  :)  He did talk trash to try to incite me to play a game...
06:16 <spidey> if he took the time to build maybe 20 cities instead of 50-60 he might actually do something besides lose them
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> if he was willing to settle for a slower rate of growth, he could still build a fuckload of cities and have them well-defended
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, if we always disable the space race, what's the point of playing peacefully?  war is all that's left...
06:17 <spidey> yea
06:17 <spidey> and AI's are boring
06:17 <spidey> it's like
06:17 <spidey> "zomg i'm being invaded, it's there ass now"
06:18 <spidey> "40 turns later"
06:18 <spidey> "pwned bitches"
06:18 <spidey> ;x
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> right!
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> and "Oh well, I guess I"ll have to pick up science on the fly then"
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> because you know that after you wipe out the first ai, you'll have the best science again anyway
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> and you can keep on fighting, commie no less!  and still get techs before everyone else
06:19 <spidey> haha
06:19 <spidey> how true
06:19 <spidey> but, i get like 600pts/turn no matter how many cities i got :p
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> in that game we were playing on the islands, I got up to 1200 points/turn at one point
06:20 <spidey> i had 947 at 70% science
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> it was a continued portion after you ai'd yourself, and we restored from an earlier spot
06:20 <spidey> stupid cities would revolt if i didn't put lux at 30%
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> I think we should go back to small maps, fewer ais, more techs to start, more gold, more settlers
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> just because we might be able to shave off 4-6 hours of the game
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06:21 <spidey> yea
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> on the one hand, I like the freedom the bigger map gives you, but then you wind up with a game that'll take weeks to get to a declared end
06:22 <spidey> is there a way to set a limit to the amount of cities a nation can "build" not including the conquored cities?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> but it's a foregone conclusion the humans will win now
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't think there is :(
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> another thing I'm thinking, maybe we should prep games
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> where we get like 4-5 people to start a game, agree to do no war on each other
06:23 <spidey> hmmm
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> play it until we get modern tech, then save it off
06:23 <spidey> nah
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> leave it for a month or so, then come back and everybody has to pick a civ other than the one they prepped
06:23 <spidey> because most people will smallpox
06:23 <spidey> i don't like smallpoxing
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> citymindist
06:23 <spidey> doesn't matter
06:23 <spidey> only thing that does is make them build further apart
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> the problem I'm having is that it takes 4-6 hours to build up to a point where you can start preparing a war
06:24 <spidey> they'll still build a ton of cities
06:24 <spidey> i don't know
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to just start with a map that's already filled in the civs and you can start the war right away
06:24 <spidey> 20 turns into this game i had gunpowder
06:24 <spidey> lol
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's start with like 20-50 techs or so
06:24 <spidey> yea
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so you just have to build your cities, rapture them up, and explore
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> nothing but settlers even
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> like 15 settlers
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> big starting radius
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> so you can build a city with most of them on the first turn :)
06:26 <spidey> heh
06:26 <spidey> honestly
06:26 <spidey> i don't want AI's
06:26 <spidey> none at all
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I want ais, but I want them excluded from victory conditions
06:28 <spidey> i just don't want them :p
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, we need more than just you and me for a game then :)
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: luke-jr (hi there!) ?
06:33 <luke-jr> wtf
06:33 <luke-jr> we're already playing foo
06:33 <spidey> well
06:33 <spidey> basically it turns into
06:33 <spidey> "if i pwn this AI i'll have twice the firerate and twice the chance of pwning this human over here"
06:39 <DrJoeTr0n> your "o" button works, spazz. :V
06:40 <spidey> des nt
06:40 <spidey> des nawt
06:40 <spidey> haha
06:40 <spidey> i'ma start using nawt
06:40 <spidey> ;x
06:41 <luke-jr> <Adolf Spidey> to bad
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08:19 <Durka> #lastseen I Hate Durka!
08:19 <Durka> #lastseen I Hate Durka!2
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08:20 <armabot> Durka: )PWNsneak has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 5 days 18 hours 26 minutes ago.
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10:52 <spidey> wtf
10:52 <spidey> #google search test
10:52 <armabot> spidey: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
10:53 <spidey> Firefox can't find the server at www.google.com.
10:53 <spidey> anyone else get thaT? =/
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
11:00 <spidey> well
11:00 <spidey> i get google can't be found
11:00 <spidey> so does armabot =/
11:00 <spidey> #google search test
11:00 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.11 seconds: Peterson's - College and Graduate School Planning, Test ...: <http://www.petersons.com/>; OSDL - Search Test Runs: <http://www.osdl.org/lab_activities/kernel_testing/stp/search.lnk/redirect_link>; Welcome to the Self-Directed Search ...the world's most widely used ...: <http://www.self-directed-search.com/>; SAT Registration - SAT Scores - College Search - College Admissions: (2 more messages)
11:01 <spidey> gay
11:08 <spidey> wow
11:08 <spidey> my router's being gay
11:08 <spidey> #ping
11:08 <armabot> pong
11:08 <spidey> brb
11:08 <spidey> #ping
11:08 <armabot> pong
11:08 <spidey> #ping
11:09 <armabot> pong
11:10 <spidey> wow
11:10 <spidey> #ping
11:10 <armabot> pong
11:10 <spidey> ...
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
11:10 <armabot> pong
11:10 <spidey> i don't understand that
11:10 <spidey> did i leave?
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> what?
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> no
11:10 <spidey> i turned the router off, then back on
11:10 <spidey> least webpages load now ;x
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> I figured out why me and luke are seeing each other fighting the vietnamese
11:11 <spidey> why?
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> he's moving north and I'm moving south, and we're not far from each other now
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> when we started, the vietnamese were between us
11:12 <spidey> hmm
11:12 <spidey> i'ma play with these pictures and photoshop
11:12 <spidey> maybe i can make some good looking transport units and such :)
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> :)
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> make an air freight for me ;)
11:13 <spidey> ok
11:14 <spidey> i was thinking about a city radar
11:24 <spidey> hm
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> I keep meaning to look and see if I can make a building that'll expand city vision
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> I change my mind, I don't think an air freight would be useful
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> just build an air transport and load it up with freight, that should be sufficient
11:25 <spidey> http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1778/airfrieghtfm5.gif
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I can use that as a robotic bomber/fighter or something
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> you might keep in mind I want to extend techs into the future to allow for a robotic arsenal, and then a fusion-based series of units like plasma cannons and stuff
11:28 <spidey> heh
11:28 <spidey> k
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> City_Vision_Radius_Sq
11:29 <Lucifer_arma>     Increase city vision radius in squared distance by amount tiles.
11:30 <spidey> hmm
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> I was wanting to make a ground-based building that increases city vision by some amount, then a couple of satellites that become available that do even more for each city
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> regular buildings that you can build, the satellites would be, not wonders.
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> graphics for buildings aren't that important unless you really want them, units are obviously very important
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'd also like to push chemical rocket technology to where you get semiballistic transports that have a range like an icbm
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> means you can't just defend coastal cities anymore :)
11:38 <spidey> heh
11:50 <spidey> hmm
11:51 <spidey> i'm not sure what this is but whatever
11:51 <spidey> http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9810/imnotreallysuredp2.gif
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh, not sure either :/
11:52 <spidey> i'll call it
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> the tileset I'm putting this stuff in wants 30x30.  I can try to scale it to fit.
11:52 <spidey> "spideysucksatphotoshop fighter"
11:52 <spidey> :D
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> I think the unit tiles can be used in the iso tilesets
11:53 <spidey> hm
11:53 <spidey> that's like
11:53 <spidey> 96x96
11:53 <spidey> i can't do 30x30 it's way to pixelated when i zoom in :/
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> I can scale it, but there's going to be some loss....
11:54 <spidey> http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6386/testmr6.jpg
11:55 <spidey> ;x
11:55 <spidey> that's like
11:56 <spidey> #date
11:56 <armabot> I was just gonna say, eight o'clock?
11:56 <spidey> #time
11:56 <armabot> spidey: 11:59 AM, December 05, 2006
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, looks like the iso sets use the same images as the top-down sets
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> for units, that is
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> try cropping all the whitespace out before scaling it down :)
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's pretty small
11:57 <spidey> lol
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> you can run it right to the edges if you want, some of the unit tiles already do that
12:02 <guru3> gotta hate it when
12:02 <guru3> there's some stupid ass unsheduled seminar thing
12:02 <guru3> in your work room
12:03 <guru3> "undergraduate workroom"
12:03 <guru3> i'm an undergraduate
12:03 <guru3> AND I CANT WORK THERE CAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON IN THERE
12:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and what is going on there?
12:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
12:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
12:08 <guru3> i found a chair in a landing by the stair case
12:08 <guru3> it has an outlet nearby
12:08 <guru3> and is in range of wifi
12:08 <guru3> im set until the next lexture
12:21 <spidey> http://files.filefront.com/alienarena+2006+x86run/;4295821;/fileinfo.html
12:22 <guru3> is it in portage?
12:23 <spidey> ?
12:23 <guru3> nevermind
12:23 <spidey> that's the linux install, there's a windows one somewhere
12:24 <spidey> i've done closed it :/
12:24 <guru3> alien arena 2007 is out it seems
12:24 <spidey> yea
12:24 <spidey> i had it, before i formatted
12:25 <spidey> http://red.planetarena.org/
12:26 <guru3> remind me to dl it @ some point
12:26 <spidey> only if i can remember to download it..
12:27 <guru3> jk alreadying dling
12:28 <spidey> heh
12:29 <guru3> an hour to dl
12:29 <guru3> i'll try it well later
12:30 <spidey> ;p
12:31 <guru3> woo got tron running on here
12:31 <guru3> maybe play some of that
12:31 <guru3> afk
12:32 <guru3> i'm on CP
12:32 <spidey> cp?
12:34 <guru3> classic play
12:34 <guru3> i'm sad to learn ppl playing on it
12:34 <guru3> appear to be dicks
12:36 <spidey> heh
12:36 <spidey> wow@ my ping
12:36 <spidey> o.o
13:02 <guru3> yeah well
13:02 <guru3> i'm off to class now
13:06 <spidey> cy
13:06 <spidey> cya
13:11 <spidey> Special note: Due to the massive filesize of this release, it is recommended that you use the browser Firefox. Internet Explorer most likely can not handle the file.
13:11 <spidey> is 2.5gb big??? :p
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13:17 <spidey> 2 hour download at 389kb/s
13:17 <spidey> >.>
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13:24 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: you know that a char can't hold values from 0 to 0x100?
13:33 <spidey> #cnn 38256
13:33 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 25.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Wind: W at 3 mph (5 km/h).
13:39 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: guru3
13:40  * wrtlprnft spams because guru3 isn't there :D
13:40 <spidey> lol
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13:46 <Lucifer_arma> spam
13:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: too late.
13:48 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I wanted guru3 (hi there!) to see my spam?
13:49 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/cockpit/cMap.h:130: warning: ‘cWidget::Map::m_currentMode’ will be initialized after
13:49 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/cockpit/cMap.h:119: warning:   ‘std::auto_ptr<cWidget::Map::Clipper> cWidget::Map::m_clipper’
13:49 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/cockpit/cMap.cpp:512: warning:   when initialized here
13:49 <wrtlprnft> rm -f libtron.a
13:49 <wrtlprnft> how i HATE these warnings
13:49 <wrtlprnft> as if i CARED what gets initialized first
13:51 <z-man-work> you do care if one initialization depends on the other.
13:52 <z-man-work> and the poor compiler has no way of figuring that out (well, it has, but you know how it is)
13:53 <wrtlprnft> yeah, true
13:53 <wrtlprnft> anyways, in the current trunk it's easy to miss a warning under tons of ruby stuff
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&engine=2&dockey=xml/f/4/f4f08f7e6c8d69e79031b079f7a2b411@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=php+programmer+python+c%2B%2B+linux  <-- how can you *not* want this job?
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm somehow not a shoe-in for this job, then they don't know what they want :)
13:54 <z-man-work> The ruby warnings only come while the Ruby bindings are compiled, or am I wrong?
13:54 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but i have them enabled in case i feel like doing some scripting
13:55 <wrtlprnft> the danger is that if i don't have it compiled in permanently i might want to try it out someday, but lose interest before i get it to compile
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> I have that same problem with my cat
13:58 <wrtlprnft> compiling your cat?
13:58 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6473 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
13:58 <armabot> armagetronad: Added a new clipping mode, an ellipse. It uses lines to clip, so it's limited to
13:58 <armabot> armagetronad: how many GL_CLIP_PLANEs you have. That mans it's a boring hexagon for me, but I
13:58 <armabot> armagetronad: hope it'll look good for someone with a better graphics card.
13:59 <wrtlprnft> wow, and the ci went through w/o errors
14:00  * Lucifer_arma doesn't have a cat
14:01 <wrtlprnft> lol
14:03 <z-man-work> So you don't know whether you may one day want a cat?
14:04 <z-man-work> clipping modes? What is clipped?
14:04 <wrtlprnft> the minimap
14:04 <z-man-work> ah
14:04 <wrtlprnft> you were supposed to see that from the filenames, but armabot doesn't show them
14:04 <z-man-work> can it now be zoomed in on you?
14:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:04 <z-man-work> cool
14:05 <wrtlprnft> thanks to voodoo, to a large degree
14:05 <z-man-work> voodoo the user?
14:05 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpit_Tutorial#Map_Settings
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14:05 <wrtlprnft> the player
14:05 <cusco> hey!
14:05 <cusco> long time no play!
14:05 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=8491 ← this voodoo
14:06 <wrtlprnft> looks like I've got to implement my own clipping :(
14:06 <cusco> !who's THE player
14:07 <wrtlprnft> opengl doesn't seem to support more than 6 clipping plane no matter what the graphics card is
14:07 <z-man-work> darn, don't join in the middle of a conversation and try to understand it :)
14:07 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: yes, the clipping is mainly for the view frustum clipping
14:07 <z-man-work> Umm, were it is done already by other means, so that argument doesn't count.
14:08 <wrtlprnft> just wanted to say, didn't see any effects of it on other rendering
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> hell, I've been watching it since it started and I don't understand it
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> er
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> #night
14:30 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
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16:11 <spidey> DrJoeTr0n, get americas army
16:12 <spidey> i keep shooting the drill sargent cause he won't stfu, so i'm still doing basic training :/
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17:39 <DrJoeTr0n> ewww
17:39 <DrJoeTr0n> americas army?
17:40 <DrJoeTr0n> that was great when i was on dial up
17:40 <DrJoeTr0n> but since im not any more
17:40 <DrJoeTr0n> :)
17:40 <DrJoeTr0n> off to class!
17:42 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i suggest you fix durka's server? he's your client…
17:42 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=117471#117471
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21:07 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/zero/Rubber/Multi-death-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by zero
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21:23 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(2)^-1
21:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt(2)^(-1) = 0.707106781
21:23 <wrtlprnft> #g 2.82843 / 0.707106781
21:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2.82843 / 0.707106781 = 4.00000407
21:24 <wrtlprnft> interesting…
21:26 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: do you use X-chat?
21:26 <luke-jr_work> or anyone
21:26 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50873C24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
21:26 <luke-jr_work> the colours Konversation uses just don't sit right w/ me... :p
21:26 <luke-jr_work> z-man: hi
21:26  * wrtlprnft uses IRSSI, still
21:28 <luke-jr_work> o
21:28 <luke-jr_work> spidey: 
21:29 <wrtlprnft> he uses mirc or something like that IIRC
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/zero/Rubber/Multi-death-0.0.01.aamap.xml: Resource by zero
21:32 <Compn> #serverinfo cafe
21:32 <armabot> Compn: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): Blitz, Kamakazi, SwornTOKill, ~*SP*~viper~
21:40 <Compn> #serverinfo cafe
21:40 <armabot> Compn: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): Blitz, Kamakazi, snotmaster, SwornTOKill, wrtlprnft |mbc|, ~*SP*~viper~
21:40 <Compn> it grows!
21:56 <Compn> it grows!
21:56 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:56 <Compn> #serverinfo cafe
21:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (14 players) || Norm's Place (12 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (11 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (9 players) || Strawberry Fields (8 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (8 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (6 players) || The Tavern [armagetronad.de] (5 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (4 (1 more message)
21:56 <armabot> Compn: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): Blitz, G5, Johnyboy, Kamakazi, Player 1, snotmaster, wrtlprnft |mbc|, |AST| FoFo, |AST| }{Alex}{, ~*SP*~Sasha, ~Coin~
21:56 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: looks like your server doesnt show up on that
21:56 <Vanhayes> #more
21:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: players) || Carina Epsilon (high speed) (4 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< (3 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (3 players) || Strawberry Fields - BACKUP-SERVER (3 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (2 players)
22:01 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/zero/Rubber/Multi-death-0.0.02.aamap.xml: Resource by zero
22:17 <[dlh]> #rpn 2 dup *
22:17 <armabot> [dlh]: 4
22:18 <[dlh]> #rpn 1 2 nip
22:18 <armabot> [dlh]: Error: "nip" is not a defined function.
22:28 <wrtlprnft> nip?
22:29 <[dlh]> 1 2 nip -> 2
22:30 <wrtlprnft> ie delete the second-to-top stack element?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> or multiply?
22:31 <wrtlprnft> or swap the top 2, then divide?
22:31 <[dlh]> deletes the second to-top stack element.
22:31 <wrtlprnft> so my first guess :)
22:32 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/zero/Rubber/Multi-death-0.0.03.aamap.xml: Resource by zero
22:32 <wrtlprnft> #rpn 1 2 swp /
22:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: "swp" is not a defined function.
22:32 <wrtlprnft> #rpn 1 2 swap /
22:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2
22:32 <wrtlprnft> #rpn 5 2 * !
22:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:33 <wrtlprnft> can't do n!?
22:35 <[dlh]> #rpn 2 2dup
22:35 <armabot> [dlh]: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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22:55 <ghableska> #weather 50265
22:55 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 50.0°F (2:54 PM CST on December 05, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa. 
22:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6474 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nServerInfo.cpp: Fixed master to master communication.
23:02 <wrtlprnft> nice!
23:02 <ghableska> o.0
23:02 <wrtlprnft> z-man: is that related to all the problems people were experiencing?
23:02 <z-man> yep
23:02 <z-man> I hope
23:03 <z-man> the masters were not accepting messages from other masters
23:03 <z-man> I posted in the lates master server problem thread
23:03 <wrtlprnft> sorry i didn't reply to your question earlier in that thread
23:03 <wrtlprnft> read it, figured i didn't have time for it right then, forgot about it…
23:04 <z-man> never mind, I had to set up a private master to test things myself anyway.
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> what's the word for when everybody feels pressure to act exactly the same?
23:04  * Lucifer_arma just woke up and hasn't finished loading his dictionary
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> starts with a c
23:05 <z-man> do you want us all to scream "peer pressure"?
23:05 <z-man> oh
23:05 <ghableska> copying? :)
23:05 <z-man> conformity?
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> conformity, that's it, thanks :)
23:05 <wrtlprnft> grr, threw away my master build dir
23:06 <wrtlprnft> ah, no, there it is
23:07 <wrtlprnft> but it's a trunk version, i'd better use the stable branch
23:07 <wrtlprnft> URL: https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
23:07 <wrtlprnft> Revision: 6105
23:07 <wrtlprnft> that was my master, if anyone cares
23:09 <z-man> Oh yeah, those ruby warnings are annoying
23:09 <z-man> How can you put PACKAGE_VERSION in a header?
23:10 <[dlh]> Sorry about the ruby warnings, if I knew how to get rid of them I would.
23:11 <z-man> Their headers look broken to me. I'd just edit the silly #defines out on my local system.
23:11 <z-man> We could #undef them in our own code, but probably not in the SWIG wrappers.
23:12 <z-man> We could disable that particular warning for the swig generated files, if that's possible.
23:15 <wrtlprnft> config.status: WARNING:  src/Makefile.in seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting
23:15 <wrtlprnft> i'm getting that with a lot of files when configuring the master…
23:15 <wrtlprnft> any meaning to it?
23:16 <z-man> My theory is that it's a autoconf/automake problem.
23:16 <z-man> err, a problem with those two only, and unrelated to what we do.
23:17 <z-man> autoconf probably produces makefiles that ignore --dataroot, whatever that is.
23:17 <z-man> s/autoconf/automake
23:17 <z-man> Hmm, there is gcc -w :->
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> the question was "Have you ever worked in a small company?"
23:17 <wrtlprnft> well, i'll ignore that the makefile ignores --datarootdir
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> To which I needed to answer "Yes, I only work in small companies because big companies require too much conformity" :)
23:18  * Lucifer_arma is off to school now, later
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23:20 <z-man> http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/html_node/Changed-Directory-Variables.html
23:20 <z-man> They claim auomake handles this.
23:21 <z-man> Well, it doesn't. At least not the version I currently use.
23:22 <wrtlprnft> i hope it'll work, i wanna go to bed.
23:22 <z-man> It worked for me.
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> #time
23:22 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: 11:25 PM, December 05, 2006
23:22 <luke-jr_work> anyone else tested the overlay yet?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> btw, this bug also explains why master4 was the most reliable :D
23:22 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: it does?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> it probably was the only one that wasn't updated to the new revision
23:23 <Your_mom_arma> who was master 4?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> ig
23:23 <wrtlprnft> *iF
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> mine hasn't been updated in quite awhile
23:23 <wrtlprnft> and he is still running it
23:23 <luke-jr_work> I thought arma servers registered w/ all masters anyway?
23:24 <z-man> new ones, yes.
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> not 0.2.7.1-
23:24 <z-man> old ones only talk to my server.
23:24 <wrtlprnft> and that doesn't work either :(
23:24 <luke-jr_work> are there that many old ones?
23:24 <z-man> Enough to care for.
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe they asked for a Linux programmer and then sent a MS Word document with questions to answer
23:25 <luke-jr_work> lol
23:25 <wrtlprnft> there's 6 old servers on my master
23:25 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: that implies they expect conformity...
23:25 <wrtlprnft> sorry, 3, 0.3.0 isn't old
23:26 <luke-jr_work> anyone else tested the overlay yet? <---
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: no, it implies they're a headhunter
23:26 <wrtlprnft> not me, i always use current SVN and install w/ --prefix
23:26 <luke-jr_work> hm
23:26 <luke-jr_work> btw, any ideas on a svn ebuild?
23:27 <luke-jr_work> stupid Portage lacks support for it
23:27 <Your_mom_arma> if we just dropped support for older servers i'ld guess less then half would actually upgrade
23:27  * Lucifer_arma isn't in gentoo anymore
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I"m really leaving, bbl
23:27 <wrtlprnft> z-man: do the other master servers send updates to master1?
23:28 <z-man> yes, but it was ignoring them due to the bug :?
23:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know that
23:28 <wrtlprnft> just asking because new servers only appear on masters 3 and 4 for a while
23:29 <wrtlprnft> it takes a few hours to make it to 1 and 2, in my experience
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23:30 <z-man> yeah, that may be the other problem, master1 pings the server quite right away while it's still talking to the other masters, and thinks it is unreachable.
23:30 <Your_mom_arma> #seen philippeqc
23:30 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: philippeqc was last seen in #armagetron 8 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 58 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <philippeqc> hi
23:30 <z-man> bedtime
23:30 <z-man> for
23:30 <z-man> me
23:30 <wrtlprnft> g'night
23:31 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen philippe
23:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: philippe has last been seen on The Lobster Cage 3 days 7 hours 50 minutes ago.
23:31 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:31 <armabot> pong
23:31 <Vanhayes> #pong
23:31 <armabot> ping
23:32 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen philippeqc
23:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: timed out
23:33 <Vanhayes> #lastseen
23:33 <Your_mom_arma> t1minute delay?
23:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: Christiano has last been seen on ¬| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | ¬/xff9900 1 minutes ago.
23:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: 90 secs, i think
23:34 <Your_mom_arma> it was 61 seconds oms, but it could be different for you, the server and me
23:35 <wrtlprnft> ok, my new master is up and running
23:39 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:39 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:41 <luke-jr_work> hmm
23:41 <luke-jr_work> 750 GB for $215
23:44 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
23:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 16°F / -9°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 60 percent chance of flurries this evening. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low minus 12.; Wednesday - Sunny. Becoming cloudy late in the morning with 40 percent chance of flurries or rain (1 more message)
23:44 <Vanhayes> #more
23:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: showers late in the day. Wind becoming south 20 km/h in the afternoon. High plus 2. Wednesday night..cloudy. 40 percent chance of flurries or rain showers early in the evening. Periods of rain beginning in the evening. Rainfall amount 5 to 10 mm. Wind south 30 km/h becoming southwest 40 gusting to 60 late in the evening. Temperature rising to 6 by morning.; Thursday - Showers. High 8.;
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23:50 <luke-jr_work> anyone want to buy a HD? :)
23:50  * luke-jr_work ponders effectively paying $-0.33/GB
23:53 <GodTodd> sure...i'll take a 750 GB off your hands for $100 ;)
23:54 <luke-jr_work> nah
23:55 <luke-jr_work> I meant a 250 GB for $100+
23:55 <GodTodd> nah...i can get that cheaper
23:55 <luke-jr_work> hm
23:55 <Vanhayes> if you cant pay me anymore than that I suppose ill take it
23:55 <luke-jr_work> how about $70? :p
23:56 <Vanhayes> uh I think you missed the part about you paying me
23:56 <GodTodd> anyway...i have enough 250s....next one i buy will be closer to 1 TB
23:56 <luke-jr_work> $-70 then
23:56 <Vanhayes> lol
23:57 <GodTodd> well...if you're charging $-70 then i'll take it
23:57 <GodTodd> ;)
23:58 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:58 <Vanhayes> btw luke-jr_work its impossible to pay a negitive number
23:58 <GodTodd> not in bookkeeping, it's not
23:58 <luke-jr_work> lol

Log from 2006-12-06:
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00:01 <GodTodd> if you are writing off an old credit that a vendor gave you, in the books you write it as having paid a -whateverthecreditwas
00:02 <Vanhayes> heh I meant with cash, like you cant give someone -10 bucks
00:02 <luke-jr_work> cash is worthless anyhow
00:02 <GodTodd> well...then say 'with cash' :P
00:02 <Vanhayes> heh, i will from now on
00:02 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: give yours to me then
00:02 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_work:  give yours to me then
00:02 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: why would I have any if it's worthless?
00:03 <Vanhayes> are you one of those crazy people who use gold?
00:06 <Vanhayes> your silence tells me everything
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00:08 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org check my currencies accepted :p
00:11 <Vanhayes> I knew it
00:13  * GodTodd wonders what makes a check worth more than USD...
00:20 <GodTodd> yeah...my thoughts exactly
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01:01 <Vanhayes> #night
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01:02 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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02:53 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:53 <armabot> pong
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
02:59 <armabot> pong
03:00 <GodTodd> #pong
03:00 <armabot> ping
03:00 <luke-jr> wtf
03:01 <GodTodd> stfu
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> ftw
03:05 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
03:05 <armabot> pong
03:21 <spidey> #last --with spidey
03:21 <armabot> spidey: [21:31:27] <luke-jr_work> spidey:
03:21 <spidey> luke-jr_work, what?
03:21 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
03:21 <armabot> spidey: [03:23:50] <spidey> #last --with spidey, [21:31:27] <luke-jr_work> spidey:, [11:55:31] <spidey> "spideysucksatphotoshop fighter", [11:02:30] <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?, [06:43:59] <luke-jr> <Adolf Spidey> to bad, [06:18:50] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: spidey (hi there!) GodTodd (hi there!) you guys playing a game right now?, [05:29:33] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: spidey GodTodd, [02:45:08] <Lucifer_arma> you did it (2 more messages)
03:21 <luke-jr> spidey: x-chat
03:21 <spidey> what about it?
03:24 <luke-jr> colours
03:26 <spidey> ..
03:27 <spidey> what about the colors?
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03:42 <luke-jr> hi Legit
03:42 <luke-jr> spidey: I like them
03:42 <spidey> lol
03:43 <spidey> i like windows x-chat client better
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03:44 <Legit> hey
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03:50 <DrJoeTr0n> god damn
03:51 <DrJoeTr0n> i got a new lobster :)
03:51 <spidey> lol, how much they pay you?
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03:53 <Hans> hello...?
03:53 <Hans> whoa...
03:53 <Hans> what is this?
03:53 <Hans> HELLO!?
03:53 <Hans> ...
03:53 <Hans> whatever
03:53 <Hans> bye
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03:54 <ghableska> ...
03:55 <spidey> lol
03:55 <ghableska> was that hyphy?
03:55 <ghableska> or Canada? 
03:59 <spidey> dunno
04:00 <ghableska> heh
04:07 <DrJoeTr0n> i need to go out and buy some pink paper
04:07 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr 
04:08 <spidey> are we gonna play civ tonight?
04:08 <DrJoeTr0n> no
04:08 <spidey> if not i'ma play america's army
04:08 <DrJoeTr0n> spidey
04:08 <spidey> that 2.5gig recruiting poster >.>
04:08 <spidey> DrJoeTr0n, 
04:08 <DrJoeTr0n> you seem off of the pulse of these games
04:08 <DrJoeTr0n> because americas army
04:09 <DrJoeTr0n> god damn man
04:09 <spidey> ?
04:09 <DrJoeTr0n> its sooo baad
04:09 <spidey> better than warrock
04:09 <spidey> so far atleast
04:09 <DrJoeTr0n> anything is better than warrock
04:09 <spidey> well
04:09 <spidey> i still like warrock :p
04:09 <DrJoeTr0n> AA was great when i was 8th grade
04:10 <DrJoeTr0n> back when i was on dial up and integrated graphics
04:10 <spidey> eh
04:10 <DrJoeTr0n> and thats right there where you realize
04:10 <spidey> v2.7 
04:10 <DrJoeTr0n> the people with the highest ping, play the best
04:10 <spidey> try running it on ubtegrated
04:10 <spidey> omg
04:10 <spidey> integrated
04:10  * spidey should look at the keyboard when he types
04:10 <DrJoeTr0n> i dont have onboard video
04:11 <DrJoeTr0n> not anymore i dont
04:11 <spidey> i have to run it on 800x600
04:11 <spidey> with normal gfx
04:11 <DrJoeTr0n> bwahahaha
04:11 <DrJoeTr0n> fuck AA
04:11 <spidey> ii like it
04:12 <DrJoeTr0n> you like alot of crapy games
04:12 <spidey> i'm happy because you can afford a gfx card to run these "better" games :)
04:13 <spidey> i can't even run swat 4
04:14 <spidey> something about the shaders, appearently my onboard doesn't support
04:15 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah it doesnt
04:15 <DrJoeTr0n> dx9 barely
04:15 <DrJoeTr0n> and dx9 likes shaders
04:15 <spidey> i have dx9 support
04:15 <spidey> aa requires it
04:15 <DrJoeTr0n> you barely have it
04:16 <DrJoeTr0n> if it uses the shaders
04:16 <DrJoeTr0n> you're dead
04:16 <spidey> well
04:16 <spidey> swat 4 crashes my vid drivers
04:16 <spidey> so i go back to looking at a win98 desktop
04:16 <spidey> lol
04:16 <DrJoeTr0n> no wonder why HL2 wouldnt run
04:16 <DrJoeTr0n> Your_mom_arma ping
04:17 <spidey> well
04:17 <spidey> with this mobo i'm getting i'll be able to get a agp card.....sometime
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> hello....?
04:17 <spidey> goodbye....?
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, yahoo mail just crashed my web browser :/
04:18 <spidey> i haven't used yahoo mail in...atleast 7 months
04:19 <spidey> i have about 7k emails on it
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm about to go renew my pop3 service
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> then I won't use yahoo mail :)
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> An email has been sent to you with information regarding steps needed to make the services ordered function properly.
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell am I supposed to receive it when I'm renewing my mail service?!?!?
04:22 <spidey> ...
04:22 <spidey> go check your mail :p
04:22 <spidey> i'ma play AA
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it was just boilerplate.  :)  I received the email
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> now I'll email myself from my yahoo account to see if it works, then start forwarding from  yahoo
04:22 <spidey> maybe
04:22 <spidey> if i can stop shooting my drill sargent
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:23 <luke-jr> Yahoo mail sucks
04:23 <luke-jr> they drop so many emails
04:23 <spidey> my online profile must be bad
04:23 <spidey> it's called bulk
04:24 <ghableska> #weather 50265
04:24 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 42.8°F (8:54 PM CST on December 05, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa. 
04:25 <ghableska> ...
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> apparently there isn't any way to forward yahoo mail to a regular pop account :/
04:39 <Your_mom_arma> pong
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
04:39 <armabot> pong
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> grrrr
04:41 <DrJoeTr0n> damn finals
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> hi DrJoeTr0n (hi there!) 
04:41 <DrJoeTr0n> hi Lucifer_arma
04:41 <ghableska> DrJoeTr0n: finals already? O_o
04:41 <DrJoeTr0n> i''ve got some this week and finals week officially starts next week
04:42 <DrJoeTr0n> and 2 concerts
04:42 <ghableska> what do you play?
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> damn music people
04:42 <DrJoeTr0n> percussion (drums)
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> he plays a whiny instrument :)
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> er
04:42 <ghableska> heh
04:43 <DrJoeTr0n> i had a steel band concert about an hour ago, and i have a symphonic band performance on thursday
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> I met this kid who told me he was a music major because he didn't think he was smart enough for anything else
04:43 <DrJoeTr0n> not looking to that
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> then he went off telling me all the things he wasn't good enough for
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> ?  symphonic band performances are easy
04:43 <ghableska> did he have them written down?
04:43 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah, you'd think so
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> play a cymbal crash, then go to the bar for awhile, then go back and play the second cymbal crash
04:43 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah thats the problem
04:43 <DrJoeTr0n> i cant wait that fucking lok
04:43 <DrJoeTr0n> long*
04:44 <DrJoeTr0n> especially whenthe meter keeps changing
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> just don't do any drugs in the meantime, or you'll lose count
04:44  * Lucifer_arma points to a cheers episode where Frasier brings the cymbal player in, and the cymbal player loses count while Diane's counting his change to him
04:44 <DrJoeTr0n> its usually Count to 342...*ding* count to 40
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> you should be a rock'n'roll guy
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> you only have to count when you're playing :)
04:45 <DrJoeTr0n> i love steel band though
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's probably a lot of fun, symphonic not so fun
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> I always hated the pretension that surrounds the symphonic stuff
04:45 <DrJoeTr0n> i've been doing that for about 4 years now
04:46 <DrJoeTr0n> symphonic crap for the past 11 years
04:46 <DrJoeTr0n> lots of counting in my life time
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:46 <DrJoeTr0n> and yet im terrible at math
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> I never counted the long rests.
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> I just waited until the rest of the band got to the part where I knew to count from.
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> the percussion players mostly told me they did the same thing :)
04:47 <DrJoeTr0n> i actually have to count them half of the time
04:47 <DrJoeTr0n> oh yeah
04:47 <DrJoeTr0n> alot of the times we dont need to count durring long rests
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I never had many long rests, I was a clarinet player, different ballgame
04:48 <ghableska> clarinet?
04:48 <ghableska> that's really hard to picture :)
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> clarinet, yes
04:48 <DrJoeTr0n> theres usually a ritard, or a fermada right before i come in 60% of the time.
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> oooo
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> what a pain, heh
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04:49 <Lucifer_arma> of course, there were first section clarinet players that waited until the last note to play
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> how they got to first section is beyond me, but I carried first section most of the time :/
04:49 <DrJoeTr0n> welcome to my life
04:49 <DrJoeTr0n> i got fucked over 12th grade for snare captain by a girl who cant count to 8
04:50 <DrJoeTr0n> band director got fed up with her and just had me do everything a quarter way through the year because she sucked so hard.
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> so they'd always get it wrong, man.  Always.  Director could never do the dramatic shit he wanted to (had to run and get my kid who fell off the couch)
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> how did she wind up snare captain then?
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> and how the hell do you play snare if you can't count to 8?
04:51 <DrJoeTr0n> see thats the thing
04:51 <DrJoeTr0n> they were looking for a leader
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> which they didn't think you were?
04:51 <DrJoeTr0n> of course not
04:52 <DrJoeTr0n> i dicked around the whole time
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> man, what sucked about high school is they said "leader", but they really meant "bossy bitch"
04:52 <DrJoeTr0n> she was a bossy bitch
04:52 <DrJoeTr0n> no one listened her, disregarded he and came to me instead.
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> yep
04:52 <DrJoeTr0n> like she would say something, they would look for my approval first, which i usually didnt agree on.
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> I wound up getting first chair for the same thing.  Technically the girl beat me on the test, but she just sat there and stared
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> the rest of the section actually looked at me for help :/
04:53 <DrJoeTr0n> she would whine about me in her online journal ;d
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> not a great honor, I was in the middle band anyway.  Not pretensious or Christian enough to make the Good Band (tm)
04:53 <DrJoeTr0n> because she has to bust a hump playing everything, while i dont even pay attention and just sight read everything and nail it.
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:54 <DrJoeTr0n> oh yeah
04:54 <DrJoeTr0n> she was a one of those pretencious christian girls
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I could see how she'd be jealous that she had no musical ability, and you come from a long line of one-hit-wonders
04:54 <DrJoeTr0n> i was a foul mouthed ass hole.
04:54 <DrJoeTr0n> haha
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'm your vehicle baby
04:54 <DrJoeTr0n> he married into the family ;D
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> close enough :)
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> apparently my wife's family got some musical ability when I married into it :)
04:55 <DrJoeTr0n> too bad his kids are fucking weird
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, my kid woke up again
04:56 <DrJoeTr0n> this is what my cousin that came from his loins looks like to the fucking bone
04:56 <DrJoeTr0n> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/msutazzi16/kyle.jpg
04:56 <DrJoeTr0n> talks like him too
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> hahaha
04:57 <GodTodd> they jewish? ;)
04:57 <DrJoeTr0n> nah
04:58 <GodTodd> then there's no excuse :P
04:58 <DrJoeTr0n> i know!
04:58 <DrJoeTr0n> god i just want to just beat the shit out of him
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> do it on the Ides of March
04:58 <GodTodd> do it
04:58 <DrJoeTr0n> hahaha
04:58 <GodTodd> just do it
04:58 <DrJoeTr0n> he beats up on his little brother and sister
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> on the floor of the senate...
04:59 <GodTodd> nike his ass ;)
04:59 <DrJoeTr0n> test tube babies at there finest
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> shove a drumstick down his throat with a little american flag on the end
04:59 <DrJoeTr0n> like
04:59 <DrJoeTr0n> he's a wannabe nerd
04:59 <luke-jr> .
04:59 <DrJoeTr0n> he doesnt have the smarts or know how of anything.
04:59 <DrJoeTr0n> but he is socially awkward
05:00 <DrJoeTr0n> and talks really fucking weird
05:00 <DrJoeTr0n> christmas is gonna be a doozy
05:00 <ghableska> #night
05:00 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> man, you gotta come to texas so we can jam
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> transfer to UT
05:00 <DrJoeTr0n> haha
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05:02 <Lucifer_arma> so, if I tell you the plot of star wars from beginning to end in my own words, have I infringed on Lucas' copyright?
05:03 <spidey> DrJoeTr0n sux
05:03 <DrJoeTr0n> damn good
05:03 <DrJoeTr0n> you aught to be
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> if we promise to hurt luke-jr (hi there!) , would DrJoeTr0n (hi there!) play freeciv with us?
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be willing to invade luke if it got joe into the game
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> who wouldn't?
05:04 <mkzelda> star wars is just lucas' retelling of other stories
05:04 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I have an alliance w/ spidey
05:04 <mkzelda> w/ modernized/futuristic characters/settings
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> I was speaking in general terms, luke
05:04 <DrJoeTr0n> hmm
05:04 <DrJoeTr0n> tell you what
05:04 <DrJoeTr0n> i'll give it a shot next week
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.olga.net/
05:04 <DrJoeTr0n> because im going to get way to in to this
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> yes, you are, and you've got finals :)
05:05 <DrJoeTr0n> and...well normally say "who needs academics!? :V"
05:05 <DrJoeTr0n> but i need to do good
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: oh yeah, my check came.  Can you email me your address?
05:05 <DrJoeTr0n> so sometime next week i'll join up
05:06 <GodTodd> sure can
05:06 <GodTodd> DrJoeTr0n sucks
05:06 <GodTodd> fyi
05:06 <GodTodd> :P
05:06  * DrJoeTr0n sucks damn good
05:07 <GodTodd> i can't complain
05:07 <GodTodd> heh
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, this kid in my drafting class
05:07  * DrJoeTr0n *
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> this is funny :)
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> he got drunk, went to IHOP and was acting like an ass, right?
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> so this cop decided to take him down for PI
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> on the way down, the cop car wrecked
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> kid has a little red mark on his forehead now from the scratch
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> moral of the story?  cops can't drive!
05:08 <luke-jr> ...
05:08 <luke-jr> it's been too long since I've listened to Kajiura
05:08 <mkzelda> ...
05:08 <mkzelda> dont let it happen again
05:08  * GodTodd ships luke to japan.
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> he listens to japanese music so he won't know how dirty and satanic the lyrics are
05:08 <luke-jr> ....
05:08 <luke-jr> mkzelda: you talk
05:09 <mkzelda> ...
05:09 <mkzelda> sometimes
05:09 <DrJoeTr0n> haha thats awesome
05:09  * GodTodd sends luke a king diamond cd so he can listen to some real music.
05:09 <DrJoeTr0n> hey mkzelda doesnt talk much, 
05:09 <DrJoeTr0n> but when he does
05:09 <luke-jr> yeah, it really is
05:09 <luke-jr> wd mkzelda
05:09 <DrJoeTr0n> it tends to be god damned gold
05:09  * luke-jr is listening to 'em more'
05:09 <GodTodd> don't mention gold...luke will get a 2 inch hardon
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> tell him it's a gold jesus and luke will shoot his foreskin into orbit
05:10 <mkzelda> i play the marcel marceau
05:10 <mkzelda> role
05:10 <GodTodd> mkzelda: face paint and all?
05:10 <mkzelda> ya, just for irc
05:10 <GodTodd> cool :)
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> I always pictured you in a err
05:11 <DrJoeTr0n> hahahaha
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> what do ballerinas wear?
05:11 <GodTodd> that reminds me of that one movie...what was it..."silent movie" i think
05:11 <GodTodd> tutu
05:12 <mkzelda> oh i thought that was going to be a joke
05:12 <mkzelda> i was all hyped about the punchline
05:12 <GodTodd> it is
05:12 <GodTodd> don't you get it?
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I was fixing my bass
05:12 <mkzelda> did it stop singing?
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> you know, like Cheech in Up In Smoke
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> "My daddy he disowned me 'cause I wear my sister's clothes"
05:12 <GodTodd> or the nerdy guy in toxic avenger
05:13 <mkzelda> as much of a stoner as i used to be i should've seen up in smoke
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> you haven't seen it?
05:13 <mkzelda> nope
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> man....
05:13 <GodTodd> blasphemer!
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's the movie with that song in it :)
05:13 <mkzelda> i even owned a tommy chong bong
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> "Caught me in the bathroom with a pair of panty hose"
05:13 <spidey> #last --with spidey
05:13 <armabot> spidey: [05:07:09] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I have an alliance w/ spidey
05:14 <mkzelda> thats what he thinks
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> I've always found spidey to be a good ally
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't preemptively strike, anyway, so as long as you don't, no problems
05:14 <GodTodd> yeah well...luke thinks ally == love fest :/
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think in the future I'm definitely going to want a city trade for alliances
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> not just you give me a city, but more like we exchange cities near our capitals
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> I want yours for an insurance policy, and it's fair for me to give you one of mine
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> might not do that for spidey though, like I say, he's always been a good ally
05:15 <GodTodd> yeah....you could always just move your capital tho
05:16 <mkzelda> nice
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'd consider that without an appropriate city gift to be breaking the alliance
05:16 <spidey> man
05:16 <spidey> i hate this game
05:16 <GodTodd> then don't play it
05:16 <GodTodd> duh
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: you freeciv?
05:16 <spidey> i can't qualify with the weapons :<
05:16 <mkzelda> im terrible at it
05:17 <spidey> the stupid drill sargent keeps annoying me :<
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> nonsense, you just need more practice!  :)
05:17 <mkzelda> im awful at most strategy games
05:17 <spidey> so i shoot him and get put in jail :|
05:17 <GodTodd> don't shoot him then
05:17 <mkzelda> i either try to plan something longer term and get rushed
05:17 <spidey> HURRY THE HELL UP
05:17 <mkzelda> or i go defensive to prevent rushing and suffer long term
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> aha
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> you need to learn and obey the first rule of war
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> which is
05:18 <spidey> science first
05:18 <spidey> ;x
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> Any plan, no matter how well thought-out, no matter how well-prepared, gets fucked up upon contact with the enemy.
05:18 <spidey> not always
05:18 <GodTodd> heh...wasn't snafu a military term? ;)
05:18 <mkzelda> starcraft was about the only thing i got good enough at to keep up w/ others
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, not when the enemy is luke
05:18 <luke-jr> bs
05:18 <spidey> ;p
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> the only thing that gets fucked up about the plan when it's luke is that you wind up taking cities so fast you outrun your reinforcements
05:19 <spidey> in the game we're playing
05:19 <spidey> in about 20 turns
05:19 <spidey> i'll be military grade
05:19 <spidey> like
05:19 <spidey> 400+ profit gold
05:19 <luke-jr> haha
05:19 <spidey> 500+ m tons production
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> and then he's either going to hit me or luke
05:19 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I have alliance :p
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully luke, but I'm building defenses :)
05:19 <GodTodd> heh...my bet's on luke ;)
05:20  * luke-jr has alliance and defenses already
05:20 <spidey> bs
05:20  * Lucifer_arma sent a spy to luke's cities, he doesn't have defenses
05:20 <luke-jr> ...
05:20 <mkzelda> dont forget god is on your side
05:20 <GodTodd> defenses...that means he has *3* phalanxes
05:20 <GodTodd> heh
05:20 <spidey> you have pikemen and muskets
05:20 <luke-jr> when was this? 50 turns ago?
05:20 <spidey> and 1 riflemen
05:20 <spidey> in each city
05:20 <luke-jr> spidey: and Howitz now
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> warriors only count as defenses when you don't have bronze working
05:20 <spidey> so?
05:20 <spidey> you're railed
05:20 <spidey> howitzers are shit for defense
05:21 <spidey> even if you autoattack with  them
05:21 <GodTodd> howitzer defense sucks
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> howitzers are defense of 2
05:21 <spidey> the rail lets me strike first
05:21 <spidey> either way
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> 2-3 fortified MI + 1 autoattack howitzer is a good defense
05:21 <luke-jr> auto-attack
05:21 <spidey> i got you 2 teched up
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> but tanks are cheaper than howitzers and actually work a little better
05:21 <spidey> i'll be happy to finish the AI and let you fight
05:21 <spidey> :p
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> for defense that is
05:21 <spidey> well
05:21 <spidey> fanatics
05:21 <GodTodd> yeah...i usually favor tanks for defense over howitzers
05:21 <spidey> are the cheapest
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> tanks also have the advantage of being good fortifiers too
05:22 <spidey> and have a defense rating of a MI when forted
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> same as a fortified MI?
05:22 <luke-jr> never seen a tank unit
05:22 <spidey> MI don't get a bonus when forted
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, we're in modern warfare, and any city that lacks SDI + SAM battery is *not* defended, no matter how many units you have
05:22 <spidey> fanatics have a 6 defense rating when forted
05:22 <GodTodd> truly
05:22 <spidey> mi do aswell
05:23 <spidey> only need a SDI
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> wait, MI don't get a fortified bonus?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> where did you see this?
05:23 <spidey> which, btw i'm building :)
05:23  * Lucifer_arma goes to look, this is important info
05:23 <spidey> they don't
05:23 <spidey> i checked the "help" thingy
05:23 <luke-jr> ...
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> May fortify, granting a 50% defensive bonus.
05:24 <spidey> i'm build every defense building except SAM
05:24 <spidey> sdi will do me fine
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's something about the civ2 ruleset luke's running
05:24 <spidey> hm
05:24 <spidey> well in your ruleset
05:24 <spidey> isaac newtons college doesn't give a free uni.
05:24 <spidey> lukes does
05:25 <luke-jr> heh
05:25 <spidey> yours only gives a 100% science boost
05:25 <luke-jr> College is nice in warruleset
05:25 <spidey> yea
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> my ruleset's based on the freeciv default right now
05:25 <spidey> if my cities wasn't bitching at me all the time i'd have a 1k+ pts/turn type thing
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> you might want to think about what else you want in it, btw :)
05:26 <spidey> but i have to put it at 70% and lux at 30%
05:26 <spidey> and only get 900+pts/turn
05:26 <spidey> wanna start that game up? :p
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> wait, how do I load a ruleset?  :)
05:27 <spidey> dunno
05:27 <spidey> i'ma start on mine in janurary :)
05:27 <spidey> i found some cool pictures to use
05:28 <spidey> modern units will look like future units :D
05:28 <luke-jr> lame
05:28 <luke-jr> why don't you help w/ ArmaCiv
05:28 <spidey> you're lame
05:28 <spidey> armaciv? .... is a tank a lightcycle?
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see it, spidey
05:29 <spidey> see what?
05:29 <luke-jr> no, a tank's a tank
05:29 <luke-jr> duh
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> I loaded the civ2 ruleset, and it says MI get a bonus when they fortify
05:29 <spidey> hm
05:29 <luke-jr> who uses civ2?
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> you?
05:29 <spidey> maybe  i was looking at the wrong unit then
05:29 <luke-jr> no?
05:29 <spidey> he uses the warruleset
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> ummmmmmm
05:29 <spidey> fundamentalism ftw
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't one?
05:29 <luke-jr> ...
05:29 <luke-jr> it's 3rd-party
05:30 <luke-jr> goes w/ warserver/warclient
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, so I'll hve to check it after we restore the game
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> but you don't run the warserver, do you?
05:30 <luke-jr> no
05:30 <luke-jr> just the ruleset
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhhhh
05:30 <luke-jr> O.o
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I should google it up and see what's different
05:31 <luke-jr> a lot it seems
05:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr wanna start now? :p
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> so, I'm going to remove paratroops from my ruleset
05:31 <luke-jr> no
05:31 <spidey> :/
05:31 <luke-jr> I'm organizing CD/DVDs
05:31 <spidey> to bad
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> turns out that air transports make paratroops a worthless unit
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> and I can use the graphic somewhere else
05:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: can we unload air transports at arbitrary land?
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:32 <luke-jr> nice
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> I did some good invasions with it
05:32 <luke-jr> they should lose HP by falling arbitrary tho
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> I can tar it up for you in its current form, or stick in svn or something
05:32 <luke-jr> or require something to protect them
05:32 <luke-jr> not arma svn, unless you're going to make it armaciv
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, in reality, most units can be paradropped
05:32 <luke-jr> o
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> the ones that can't, well, freeciv isn't that flexible
05:33 <spidey> marines can
05:33 <luke-jr> we need modifiers for units or smth
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05:33 <Lucifer_arma> even light tanks can, and I've seen the transports that are used for heavy tanks, although they can't be paradropped
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> they dropped jeeps and field guns in Operation: ummmm
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> Market Garden
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's it
05:34 <luke-jr> air transports should have fuel based on load weight :p
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's something we also can't do :(
05:34 <luke-jr> hrm
05:34 <spidey> they need a disadvantage for sure
05:34 <luke-jr> can we do space battles?
05:34 <luke-jr> or have space units?
05:34 <luke-jr> eg, above air units
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> we can have space units, but we're limited in what they can do
05:34 <luke-jr> unable to drop or land except designated sites
05:35 <luke-jr> but don't use as much fuel
05:35 <luke-jr> but can be equipped with lasers and such
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> depending on the unit, of course.  Some are better suited for city buildings even though they're technically units
05:35 <luke-jr> or fight other space units
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> in that regard we're limited to the below the stratosphere
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> I gave my icbms 100 MP, and the game seems to have clamped it at 64
05:36 <luke-jr> MP?
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> movement points
05:36 <luke-jr> o
05:36 <spidey> sdi makes icbm's useless, right?
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> it should, but no guarantees
05:37 <spidey> it better
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> icbms are missiles, and sdi should affect them the same way it does cruise missiles
05:37 <spidey> if i'ma pay 4gold/turn per city
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, I made the icbms pretty expensive
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I want a bomb unit type
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> here's the problem
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> a nuclear unit takes out a 3x3 patch of units, right?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> with a disposable missile, no problem
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> but make it a bomber, and it's a one-shot bomber.  What's the use?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> so I'd like to have a bomb unit with bomb carriers, make a heavy bomber that can carry 8 bombs or so, and make a nuclear bomb
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> and the bomb would have a range of 2 squares, just enough to let the bomber drop it without being taken out by it
05:39 <spidey> hm
05:39 <spidey> that's unbalancing
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> so, say I use a missile instead.  Now the problem is that the heavy bomber could carry cruise missiles and even icbms
05:39 <spidey> load 8 bombers on a carrier with 8 bombs per bomber
05:39 <spidey> that defeats the purpose of a carrier-limit
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, the air transport gives you that option too :/
05:40 <spidey> yea
05:40 <spidey> and the airtransport doesn't have a negative
05:40 <spidey> everything has to have a negative :p
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> what's the negative to a ship transport, the one you get with industrialization?
05:40 <spidey> it can be sank
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> air transport can be shot down
05:41 <spidey> not with the amount of movement points they have :p
05:41 <spidey> nothing will be able to catch them
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, that's a good point
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> fighters can't catch them
05:41 <spidey> bombers can intercept, maybe
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> neither can cruise missiles for that matter
05:42 <spidey> but only on the return trip
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but bombers can't attack air units
05:42 <spidey> oh
05:42 <luke-jr> heh
05:42 <luke-jr> why so many MP?
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> clearly we need a modern interceptor
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm trying to speed units up in general, to be honest :)
05:43 <spidey> i don't like that ;/
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> probably a bad idea
05:43 <spidey> 1 turn strikes will make it almost impossible to defend
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, I gave the air transport the same MP as a bomber under the reasoning that they were essentially the same plane with different cargo
05:44 <spidey> actually
05:44 <spidey> you gave it 24(24)
05:44 <spidey> bombers have 24(12)
05:44 <spidey> or something
05:44 <spidey> maybe the other way around
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> stealth have 24(12), where 24 is total, 12 is how far per turn
05:45 <spidey> yea
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> the older bombers are 16(8)
05:45 <spidey> but bombers only carry a few bombs
05:45 <spidey> transports carry more weight
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> bombers only get one attack, that is true
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like a heavy bomber with more than one attack, though
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I should take another look at the air transport
05:46 <spidey> i like it vs AI
05:46 <spidey> but it's to strong vs human ;p
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> icbms probably also need to be a bit more expensive
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> on smaller maps, the whole map will be in range, which was kind of the point
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> nuclear icbms need to be prohibitively expensive
05:48 <spidey> i notice something, i installed tron in GamesArmagetronAdvanced instead of Games\Armagetron Advanced
05:48 <spidey> =/
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> duh
05:49 <spidey> E:\GamesArmagetron Advanced
05:49 <spidey> lol
05:49 <spidey> hmm, on install 1 i have C:\ D:\ E:\  on install 2 i have C:\ D:\ G:\
05:50 <spidey> ;d
05:50 <spidey> brb
05:51 <spidey> tell me about 20minutes before we're gonna play
05:51 <spidey> so i can make breakfast
05:51 <spidey> ;p
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm gonna grab a smoke
06:08 <spidey> hm
06:08 <spidey> luke-jr, hurry up ;p
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06:42 <Lucifer_arma> er, where's this war ruleset?
06:45 <spidey> don't know
06:46 <spidey> but if luke don't hurry up i'ma play americas army instead ;p
06:47 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you remember that one game we played??
06:48 <spidey> the...
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> which one?  the one on the islands?
06:48 <spidey> ice age i think
06:48 <spidey> where i was aussie
06:48 <spidey> and pwned the russians and such
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, oh wait
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't ice age, it was just a cold planet
06:49 <spidey> oh
06:49 <spidey> wanna play that untill luke gets done playing with himself?
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, I'm looking for the mysterious warruleset right now :)
06:49 <spidey> lol
06:50 <spidey> hm
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think hoover's dam gives a wild advantage to whoever has it
07:10 <spidey> not really
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, it wouldn't help luke, he doesn't build factories :)
07:10 <spidey> lol
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> last couple of games I've built it, and it's really helpful
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> when you take a new city, to get it into production you just have to build a factory and an engineer
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> hoover dam gives you a hydro plant, and you can usually put out howitzers in 3 turns
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> to do better you need a mfg plant, but if you're not building bombers, you don't really need it
07:18 <spidey> doesn't matter to me...
07:18 <spidey> my cities are usually 40+ sheild cities
07:19 <spidey> only takes me 4 turns to build a nuke plant once ineed to build them
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> MI can fortify for a 50% bonus
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> I think you were smoking crack or something
07:21 <spidey> lol
07:21 <spidey> probably another unit i acidently clicked
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't look like the warruleset has much difference from civ2 ruleset
07:26 <spidey> they have quad core processors already
07:26 <spidey> o.O
07:26 <spidey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115011
07:32 <luke-jr> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
07:33 <spidey> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
07:40 <spidey> luke-jr, you ready yet?
07:41 <luke-jr> never said I would be tonight
07:41 <spidey> :|
07:42 <spidey> fine, my night goes to americas army :D
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08:40 <Lucifer_arma> - all chat messages (public, private, allies) are echoed in the server console  <--- warclient only, looks like
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> *warserver
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk
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10:00 <spidey> fuckin a
10:00 <spidey> #last --nolimit
10:00 <armabot> spidey: [10:02:56] <spidey> fuckin a, [09:02:38] <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.davefancella.com/davesrules/trunk, [08:43:17] <Lucifer_arma> *warserver, [08:43:14] <Lucifer_arma> - all chat messages (public, private, allies) are echoed in the server console  <--- warclient only, looks like, [07:45:34] <spidey> fine, my night goes to americas army :D, [07:44:02] <spidey> :|, [07:43:56] <luke-jr> never said I would (50 more messages)
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> re spidey
10:01 <spidey> man
10:01 <spidey> either my isp is really fucked up tonight
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> or you are?  :)
10:01 <spidey> or i got some serious problems with my coax lines
10:02 <spidey> either way
10:02 <spidey> it's there job to fix it
10:02 <spidey> so i'm calling when they open ;x
10:03 <spidey> and i wanted to play americas army :(
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, how useful in the grand scheme of things is a ground-based missile carrier?
10:05 <spidey> not really
10:05 <spidey> you could have silos though
10:05 <spidey> http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2095/testgp0.jpg
10:05 <spidey> i made that while i was netless :D
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10:05 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't look like a civ unit...
10:06 <spidey> rofl
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think a ground-based missile carrier is useful as a carrier of cruise missiles, but as an expensive artillery piece it could be pretty useful
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> you know, ratcheting up towards truly robotic units, it could sit at a higher tier than howitzers
10:07 <spidey> i think it'd offbalance the game
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> have it available side by side with howitzers, then have something obsolete howitzers so the missile carrier is the cheapest ground artillery unit
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> offbalance how?  I'm trying to get techs and stuff after modern tech :)
10:08 <spidey> because
10:08 <spidey> it'd be nothing but a slaughter
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> isn't that what war is?
10:08 <spidey> all you're doing is making people build sdi and sam
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> you must have missed the part about having it not carry cruise missiles
10:08 <spidey> which in return even i won't be able to afford with the gold rates i put out
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> just have it attack like a regular unit, give it a higher attack than a howitzer, and have it be comparably more expensive
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> and yes, another tier of buildings that both increase shield production and tax revenue will be needed
10:09 <spidey> then have something obsolete howitzers so the missile carrier is the cheapest ground artillery unit
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> and probably at least one more new tier of wonders
10:10 <spidey> it should have the same MP as a howitzer
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, with a higher attack, also ignoring city walls
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe not ignoring city walls
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> have to think about that
10:11 <spidey> if it's a ballistic unit...
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter, I just stuck it in the tileset, haven't made rules for it yet :)
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, missiles aren't really ballistic anymore, they have tracking systems and are fired at targets and can theoretically go over city walls
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> man, I wish I could add more city wall effect buildings, so that a city with old city walls isn't protected against modern units, and a city with "new" city walls isn't protected against older units
10:12 <spidey> you know what we need
10:12 <spidey> something they didn't think about.
10:12 <spidey> around the ww2 era we need a atomic bomb
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> yes
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> civ1 worked that way, iirc.  There ws a nuclear missile and a nuclear bomber
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's what I was talking about about the heavy bomber.  On further thought I think it should only carry 1 bomb, but since there is no "bomb" type and I'd have to use missiles instead, I think that would be bad
10:13 <spidey> well
10:13 <spidey> make a bomb
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> unless we can obsolete the heavy bomber with something else when cruise missiles arrive so that a missile-carrying bomber doesn't exist at the same time as a cruise missile
10:14 <spidey> get a pic of some bomb
10:14 <spidey> give the unit 1 movement point
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> carry it on a transport?
10:15 <spidey> on a bomber
10:15 <spidey> ;p
10:15 <spidey> and
10:15 <spidey> make the bomber a non-attack unit
10:15 <spidey> then you've got a real bomber
10:15 <spidey> ;p
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> lemme see if there's a real unit limit I can have
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> nothing in there about that
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the real problem I have with that is that it's going to make managing a war like that a real pain in the ass
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> it would really be best if we could get the nuclear effect without killing the unit firing it, and for that we'll just have to test it
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> do we have a savegame where someone has nuclear tactics?
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, missile carrier should have same attack/defense/etc as howitzer, maybe tweak attack a few more points
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> but it should also be able to attack air units
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> if possible maybe give it increased defense against air units
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10:32 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv needs shallow ocean water, I think :)
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> so we can have riverboats and scenarios that use them
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so, should a missile carrier obsolete a howitzer?  something tells me no...
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10:40 <spidey> i'm getting
10:40 <spidey> very annoyed
10:40 <spidey> #last --nolimit
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:41 <armabot> spidey: [10:43:40] <spidey> very annoyed, [10:43:38] <spidey> i'm getting, [10:36:17] <Lucifer_arma> ok, so, should a missile carrier obsolete a howitzer?  something tells me no..., [10:35:48] <Lucifer_arma> so we can have riverboats and scenarios that use them, [10:35:33] <Lucifer_arma> freeciv needs shallow ocean water, I think :), [10:26:48] <Lucifer_arma> if possible maybe give it increased defense against air (50 more messages)
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> so, should a missile carrier obsolete a howitzer?
10:41  * Lucifer_arma just added nuclear ICBM
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> costs 400 shields, very expensive
10:41 <spidey> i don't think we should have them unless they carry short rang missles
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> even if they can attack air units?
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> and have extra defense against air units?  AEGIS is a flag...
10:42 <spidey> still
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> besides, then you have the problem wher eyou could load one up with missiles and stick it on a transport...
10:42 <spidey> heh
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> and finally, there's one and only one missile type, so if it can carry missiles, it can carry icbms, because for an icbm to use itself up, it has to be a missile
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> and that would all make it very powerful.  I'm already uncomfortable that you can use carriers and subs to extend the range of an icbm...
10:43 <spidey> i'm uncomfertable we have them ;p
10:44 <spidey> any idea why i can't connect to the net via my voip modem?
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'll toss 'em in there and we'll see how it goes.  If they're useless, I can remove them, but I'm going to insist on further developing the tech tree and getting more modern units
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> dns issue?
10:45 <spidey> well
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> router going bad?
10:45 <spidey> no?
10:45 <spidey> i'm on a "modem" now
10:45 <spidey> i have 2
10:45 <spidey> one for the voip
10:45 <spidey> it has a 10/100 ethernet port that does nothing...
10:45 <spidey> well it gives me this ip: 169.254.78.97
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> ok, changed air transport to move 16(8)
10:46 <spidey> :)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> If that's not slow enough, I'd rather bump it to just 12, with it having to stop to refuel every turn
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> 16(8) is equivalent to the first bomber you get
10:47 <spidey> yea
10:47 <spidey> that should be fine
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> slower than an awac by quite a bit, awacs are fast
10:47 <spidey> hell yea ;d
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, what tech for a missile launcher
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me I need to rearrange the military techs
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't make sense that combined arms is a modern tech, it's an ancient tech
10:50 <spidey> combined arms is how you get choppers
10:50 <spidey> isn't it?
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and paratroopers
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm removing paratroopers from the ruleset, they're useless when you have air transports
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> but all combined arms is is the ability of infantry, cavalry, and artillery to be used in the same battle working together
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> I can make another tech for helicopters to replace combined arms in the modern techs
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> but I need to see what I can give it in the ancient techs to make it worthwhile.  I was thinking just a slight attack bonus would be good, if I can, for all units
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh, how about Robotics II :)
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> requires rocketry and robotics, gives you missile launchers
10:56 <spidey> missle launcher!
10:56  * spidey feels like he's 5 again playing with those little plastic gi-joes
10:56 <spidey> ;x
10:57  * Lucifer_arma has to admit it was the GI Joe unit that gave hiim the inspiration for it, and mom made the graphic look a lot like the GI Joe unit
10:58 <spidey> lol;
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's the problem
10:59 <spidey> "BOOM i hit you"
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> er, nvm
10:59 <spidey> "no uh, i moved"
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> I was just looking at it wrong
10:59 <spidey> "no way, it's a rocket launcher!"
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> how about infantry with mobile warfare, obsoletes and upgrades riflemen?
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> then MI upgrades infantry
10:59 <spidey> yes
11:00 <spidey> we need a actual armory unit
11:00 <spidey> riflemen aren't modern
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> no, they're not.  We need guys in green camoflauge (sp?) carrying machine guns
11:01 <spidey> actually
11:01 <spidey> civ2 has those
11:01  * spidey installs civ2 to steal the pic
11:04 <spidey> :D
11:04 <spidey> now to steal the pic
11:04 <spidey> ;p
11:05 <spidey> hmm
11:05 <spidey> actually
11:05 <spidey> there's alot of units here you could use
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> mom gave me an infantry pic
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> and since I don't have paratroopers anymore, I set that as the alternate
11:06 <spidey> i have something better
11:06 <spidey> http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2997/unitscl0.gif
11:06 <spidey> that's the civ2 unit list
11:06 <spidey> :)
11:06 <spidey> that stealth fighter looks...real
11:06 <spidey> :D
11:08 <spidey> there's 2 more rocket pics atleast
11:08 <spidey> :)
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> some of those were stolen for the freeland tileset
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> which means, I've got some already ripped :)
11:09 <spidey> lol
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> that's the set I used to fill in the chart with unit icons
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> definitely want the balloon and the icbm
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> the balloon should require chemistry, carry 2 units, work like a trireme, vision of 2, no attack, no defense (it's an air unit, nothing can attack it anyway)
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> maybe defense 1
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> then with combustion, I was thinking about adding a zeppelin that can carry 4 units, go a little faster than a balloon, and cross the ocean :)
11:12 <spidey> actually
11:12 <spidey> the balloon is a spare unit
11:12 <spidey> a do make it yourself type thong
11:13 <spidey> -do
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> in civ2 it is?  I don't understand (but I decided last night I wanted balloons in the ruleset)
11:13 <spidey> lol
11:13 <spidey> yea
11:14 <spidey> you should use that fighter pic
11:14 <spidey> for stealth fighters
11:14 <spidey> tell me which ones you want and i'll cut them out/ add the white background
11:14 <spidey> or does it need to be white?
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> needs to be transparent
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> and 30x30 :)
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to grab them all.... heh
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> hang on
11:15 <spidey> transparent
11:15 <spidey> hm
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, all the modern ships and air units
11:15 <spidey> i'll have to cut it and paste it on a new sheet
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> the icbm and balloons too, of course
11:15 <spidey> what about that sea creature? :p
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> ?  the gimp would let you just select by color and cut to transparent
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> ok, grab the sea creature, no idea what we'll use it for, but grab it :)
11:16 <spidey> haha
11:16 <spidey> k
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> one of the horse units for a cataphract
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> don't care which, but it shouldn't look like a knight
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> a cataphract is essentially heavy cavalry like a knight, only knights had stirrups
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's a Roman unit
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> I think what's left is in the freeland set
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I just added 9 more spots in the tileset :)
11:21 <spidey> you want the modern ships?
11:21 <spidey> 'er
11:21 <spidey> you want the old ships*
11:21 <spidey> trieme to steam engine
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, not the old ships
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> those look like the ones the freeland guys stole, so if we want to use them, I already broke the freeland set up into parts
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I just made it so that Legions upgrade phalanx (and cost 20 shields), and PIkemen upgrade Legions
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to make Legions require Republic, though
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, ok, I think I've got it.  Can I require certain government types for units?
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> no, better stick with Republic being required for Legions
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, legions and pikemen aren't supposed to exist in the same army.  Cataphracts and Knights are the same relationship.
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice if I could restrict a unit to whatever government the player has when he's building it
11:30 <spidey> you can
11:30 <spidey> fanatics are fundie only
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's a flag :/
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> not an option.  So if I mark a unit as "Fanatic", then you have to have a fanatic government to build it
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's not the same as saying "You have to be republic to build legions and cataphracts"
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> I think it'll be fine.  :)  The real question is, if you have knights and cataphracts and legions and pikemen, which combination should you have?
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> Do you get legions and knights?  Pikemen and cataphracts (the weaker combination)?
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> historically you got pikemen and knights, which is how I set up the ruleset, but I don't see a technological limitation to it
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> the right place to solve it is in governments :/
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> which iso tileset do you use?
11:37 <spidey> ?
11:37 <spidey> default?
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's what you use for real?
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> I think the default is just isotrident
11:38 <spidey> lol
11:38 <spidey> is 39x28 ok?
11:38  * Lucifer_arma wants to make an iso tileset with the new units in it so y'all that prefer isometric view works
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> umm, it has to be 30x30 :/
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> if you get both dimensions under 30, I can deal with it, or if you get them close to the same, like 40x40
11:40 <spidey> you say gimp lets you select colors and make them transparent?
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> not exactly
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> you select by color and do "cut"
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> and you have to have transparency enabled, you might have to make a conversion to get it
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> or, what I wind up doing, copy the background layer the hard way (highlight the whole thing), paste it into a new layer, then hide the original layer
11:43 <spidey> well
11:43 <spidey> most of these images look really distorted at 30x30
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> well
11:43 <spidey> which maybe why those other guys didn't use them
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> :)
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> hang on
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> if you can make 'em 64 x 48, I can use them in the iso set
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> turns out the isotrident tileset uses different-sized unit tiles.  I thought it used 30x30...
11:44 <spidey> blowing them up should look better :D
11:45 <spidey> especially the carrier
11:45 <spidey> it looked like a blob
11:45 <spidey> lol
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> for that, you'll need some more units that are already in the flat set :)
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> nuke cruise missile, nuke icbm (I just copied the cruise missile and nuclear unit and stuck the nuke symbol on them)
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> air transport
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> (I'll be using the stealth fighter graphic eventually)
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> mortar, infantry, nuke bomber, missile launcher
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's it for units I've added so far
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> for the nuke bomber I just took the regular bomber and stuck a nuke symbol on it
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> so for all the nuke versions of units, if you don't want to do them, it's fine, I'll just do the same thing I did on the flat set :)
11:49 <spidey> hmm
11:49 <spidey> these pics are 64x48
11:49 <spidey> lol
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, that makes it easy, doesn't it?  :)
11:50 <spidey> yea :D
11:50 <spidey> except i dunno how to make the bg transparent...
11:50 <spidey> <<ps noob =/
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11:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's hard in photoshop, I don't remember how to do it, I just remember it being a pain
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> if you can at least make the background a solid color that's not in the graphic itself, I can deal with it
11:54 <spidey> MaZuffeR, how do i make a image background transparent? :D
11:55 <MaZuffeR> i don't remember
11:56 <spidey> ;p
11:56 <spidey> luci you want the modern transport?
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh, at this point you're picking graphics for your own tileset, you decide :)
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> the next transport will be a hovercraft, so I'll have to go out somewhere else for that graphic
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, only freeciv might not quite be flexible enough for that either :/
11:58 <spidey> ??
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> a hovercraft should be able to be attacked by regular ground units
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> and travel over water and land, right?
11:58 <spidey> yea
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, to travel over water and land, you have to mark it as "air", which means land units can't attack it unless they are in turn marked as bein able to attack air units
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> but really, a phalanx can attack a hovercraft
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> nah, maybe we could use a more modern transport ship
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> then move into semiballistic rocket-powered transports
12:45 <spidey> http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1966/pryanh4x3oz4tq.gif
12:45 <spidey> watch and be entertained
12:45 <spidey> ;x
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> that was annoying spidey
12:49 <spidey> ;p
12:50 <spidey> http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3371/screenyip5.jpg
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> no, not watching it
12:53 <spidey> lol
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21:48 <Vanhayes> #g $249.99 USD in CAD
21:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:48 <Vanhayes> #g 249.99 USD in CAD
21:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: 249.99 U.S. dollars = 285.963561 Canadian dollars
21:56 <spidey> wow
21:57 <spidey> i've been getting 11- 20 pings on americas army
22:00 <wrtlprnft> got 11 pings on freenode now, too
22:02  * wrtlprnft notes that the unit is missing. I really don't know if you mean 11s^(-3) (very good) or 11s (very bad)…
22:03 <wrtlprnft> * s*10^(-3)
22:04 <spidey> ?
22:04 <spidey> anyways
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22:04 <spidey> i didn't know you could get a 10 ping on a server that isn't on your network, or on the same node as you
22:05 <spidey> best ping i've gotten until that was 16ms and that was from my moms house to here (about 100 or so miles)
22:05 <spidey> but the same isp
22:14 <spidey> i know one thing
22:14 <spidey> i got like 6-7 fps
22:15  * Lucifer_arma rubs his eyes and mutters "what day is it?"
22:15 <spidey> wednesday?
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22:26 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
22:28 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
22:28 <ghableska> #weather 50265
22:28 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 37.4°F (2:54 PM CST on December 06, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa. 
22:29 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 5:11 PM AST; Tonight - Flurries changing to periods of rain this evening. Rainfall amount 5 to 10 mm. Fog patches developing this evening. Wind south 40 km/h gusting to 60. Temperature rising to 6 by morning.; Thursday - Periods of rain. Amount (1 more message)
22:31  * luke-jr got an EFIKA :p
22:31  * luke-jr wants to play Armagetron on it, so don't bloat >:O
22:31 <luke-jr> :p
22:31 <Vanhayes> #more
22:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: 5 to 10 mm. Fog patches. Wind south 30 km/h. High 8. Thursday night..periods of rain ending early in the evening then cloudy periods. Wind becoming north 20 km/h overnight. Low minus 3.; Friday - A mix of sun and cloud. High minus 1.;
22:32 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
22:32 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 61.2°F (3:32 PM CST on December 06, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa. 
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22:33 <ghableska> hi
22:34 <DrJoeTr0n> yo
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22:38 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails cafe
22:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
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22:51 <madmax|pt> hello
22:51 <ghableska> hey
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23:09 <Lucifer_arma> we want full time and we don't care if you're in school
23:14 <DrJoeTr0n> ok
23:15 <DrJoeTr0n> that was the possibly the most horrible thing i've read
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> we want full time and we don't care if you're in school
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll bite, what did you read that was so horrible?
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> was it this:  http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1966/pryanh4x3oz4tq.gif  ?
23:16 <DrJoeTr0n> nah
23:17 <DrJoeTr0n> some one just sold their respect online for 51 dollars
23:17 <ghableska> haha
23:17 <DrJoeTr0n> showing that they can self fellate
23:17 <DrJoeTr0n> ...
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> college girls do it for poor?
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> er
23:17 <DrJoeTr0n> guy
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> college girls do it for money?
23:17 <DrJoeTr0n> it was a man
23:17 <DrJoeTr0n> theres...there is pictures...
23:17 <DrJoeTr0n> i didnt click them
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> and you were reading this one one hand wrapped around your cock, right?
23:18 <DrJoeTr0n> no, i was trying it myself :p
23:18 <DrJoeTr0n> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2209585
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not clicking on any more somethingawful links if you don't mind :)
23:18 <DrJoeTr0n> :p
23:18 <DrJoeTr0n> all of the pics are in links
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> so, does he ever leave the house?
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, if I could self fellate, I don't know that I'd ever leave the house...
23:19 <DrJoeTr0n> well if you read the thread :p
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> I've gotta start cooking something
23:19 <DrJoeTr0n> i mean, its pretty Not Mind Safe to think about
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> what's the chances I could have a 13 pound turkey finished in 4 hours?
23:20 <DrJoeTr0n> depends
23:20 <DrJoeTr0n> deep fried or baked?
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> there is a requirement that it not be burnt
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> baked
23:20 <DrJoeTr0n> i salute you if you get it done in 4 hours
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> I used to make fun of my wife's step mother for insisting that 4 hours was all it took
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, one year my mother-in-law and I had a bit of an altercation because she insisted it only took 4 hours, and the turkey had already been in the oven for about 10
23:21 <GodTodd> heh...15 mins a lb isnt it?
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> and I said it had 3 left on it
23:21 <luke-jr> EFIKA is nice
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> + 1 hour/lb if it's stuffed
23:22 <GodTodd> i don't stuff :P
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> EFIKA = self-fellate?
23:22 <GodTodd> #cyborg efika
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> unstuffed its more like 45 minutes a pound, isnt it?
23:22 <armabot> GodTodd: E.F.I.K.A.: Electronic Fighting and Immediate Killing Android
23:22 <GodTodd> an hour for every 4 lbs iirc
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> sure, if you like raw turkey
23:23 <GodTodd> ummm no
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, actually, you have to specify a temperature too :)
23:23 <GodTodd> 350 i believe
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I usually do 300/325, which is a slow cook
23:23 <GodTodd> i haven't had to do the turkey for thanks. for a few years 
23:23 <GodTodd> heh
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> on the smoker I aim for more like 250, which is even slower.  That 8 hour turkey turns into a 16 hour turkey
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> but I suspect that if I run it at 425 I can have the turkey done in 4 hours, it is a small turkey after all
23:24 <GodTodd> i have a hankering for a nice thick grilled steak :/
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> so, I will now go and attempt that
23:25 <luke-jr> #google EFIKA
23:25 <armabot> luke-jr: Search took 0.23 seconds: Genesi - EFIKA 5200B: <http://www.genesippc.com/efika.php>; Genesi - Press Releases: <http://www.genesippc.com/press.php?date=20051216>; PegasosPPC - Gallery for EFIKA 5K2: <http://www.pegasosppc.com/gallery.php?id=128>; Evolution of the Species: EFIKA EUREKA!: <http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/01/efika-eureka.html>; Evolution of the Species: EFIKA Power!: (2 more messages)
23:27  * GodTodd wonders if we fall all over him and profess jealousy if luke will stfu...
23:27 <Van-hayes> #list alias
23:27 <armabot> Van-hayes: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, date, digg, do, eliza, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, joke, lastseen, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, piong, poing, pong, praise, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, serverdetails, serverinfo, svn, t, uberinsult, unlock, and wikipedia
23:27 <Van-hayes> #uberinsult
23:27 <armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
23:28 <Van-hayes> ha
23:28 <luke-jr> haha
23:28 <luke-jr> I just tried to exec x86 on ppc\
23:30 <GodTodd> good for you
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23:30 <GodTodd> i had a really satisfying shit earlier
23:30 <ghableska> heh
23:31  * ghableska thinks the latter is much more interesting
23:31 <GodTodd> :D
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> why does ground beef smell so good and taste so bad?
23:31 <ghableska> because it's ground beef
23:31 <GodTodd> especially if you were there to smell it ;)
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, why the fuck is there ground beef on my burner?
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> I took a shit the other day that smelled good enough to eat
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> it was scary
23:32 <GodTodd> i should get karen a gas mask for xmas....my kids take after me and when we have onions or beans this house gets kinda smelly
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> you know what I've always wondered?
23:33 <GodTodd> why we have butt cracks?
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> and maybe luke-jr (hi there!) can answer this for me
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> no
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> when Jesus took a shit, did it ever smell?  I mean, he was a man, right?  Men periodically take really smelly dumps.  How did Jesus's shit smell?
23:34 <GodTodd> probably bad...he ate fish and drank lots of wine
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> moreover, did he properly wipe and get every little turd off, and then properly wash his hands?
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> It was ~0 AD, they didn't have toilet paper
23:34 <GodTodd> wash hands?
23:35 <GodTodd> all i know is his diaper had to have been really ripe by the time he died on the cross
23:36 <ghableska> >_>
23:36 <GodTodd> we don't know these things because like all good fiction the bible doesn't go into such mundane matters :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> lies
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> even tarzan took a shit
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> granted those were written starting around the turn of the 20th century
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think it matters because if the Bible really and truly is timeless, then it should be able to accomodate future audiences
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23:47 <Lucifer_arma> and the Bible's future audiences include a past audience and a present audience that was interested in such things
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> God knows all, he knows what the future will bring, right?  Therefore, you'd think he would have mentioned something like "make sure you document Jesus taking a shit after the Sermon on the Mount"
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> the absence of such information may not dismiss the timelessness of the Bible, but it should at least cast some doubt
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23:55 <Lucifer_arma> so, they say they might have seen evidence of recent liquid water flowing on mars
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> does that mean they'll find beer next?

Log from 2006-12-07:
--- Day changed Thu Dec 07 2006
00:05 <DrJoeTr0n> Rocketman was the best mars expedition documentary ever!
00:06 <ghableska> has anyone here tried 3d Studio Max?
00:06 <GodTodd> if they find beer on mars i'm going
00:07 <luke-jr> ghableska: sux
00:08 <GodTodd> that probably means it rules
00:09 <DrJoeTr0n> ghableska  i have
00:09 <DrJoeTr0n> its pretty overwhelming
00:09 <DrJoeTr0n> i used to know how to use it
00:09 <ghableska> ah :)
00:09 <GodTodd> luke's reviews are a lot like movie critic reviews....if the review is bad, i'll probably like it
00:09 <DrJoeTr0n> but i forgot most of it
00:09 <ghableska> heh
00:09 <DrJoeTr0n> i took a class in it
00:10 <DrJoeTr0n> and i made bombs out of everything i did
00:10  * ghableska is having fun with reactor
00:10 <DrJoeTr0n> haha
00:10 <DrJoeTr0n> i recreated tron for my final project
00:10 <ghableska> trying to get the ragdoll script to work
00:10 <DrJoeTr0n> im such a dork
00:10 <ghableska> cool
00:10 <ghableska> :P
00:11 <DrJoeTr0n> i need to learn how to make light cycles
00:11 <DrJoeTr0n> because i need to finish my movie pack finallly
00:11 <DrJoeTr0n> among the other ones im workin gon
00:11 <GodTodd> well, first you take some light....then you cycle it through something
00:15 <DrJoeTr0n> it turns into something gnarly
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://heritage.stsci.edu/2000/06/big.html  <-- That nebula is giving us the bird
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think I want it for my avatar
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00:42 <Lucifer_arma> wahahaha, that's an awesome avatar :)
00:42 <ghableska> the nebula?
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> the one that looks like the middle finger
00:43 <ghableska> :P
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=118011#118011
00:48 <ghableska> :)
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01:09 <ghableska> #weather 50265
01:09 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 30.2°F (5:54 PM CST on December 06, 2006). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 17.6°F. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa. 
01:09 <GodTodd> so, jesus really does think we're jerks?
01:09 <GodTodd> heh
01:09 <ghableska> light snow?
01:10 <GodTodd> opposite of heavy snow?
01:10 <ghableska> it might just mean that...
01:10 <GodTodd> or opposite of dark snow for all i know ;)
01:11  * ghableska runs to luke-jr for further clarification :)
01:11 <GodTodd> haha
01:11 <ghableska> ;)
01:11 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr - http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/
01:11 <Your_mom_arma> so funny
01:12 <ghableska> hahaha
01:12 <ghableska> "it says there right there, on page one"
01:18 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6213644.stm <-- hahahahaha
01:21 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
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01:40 <Lucifer_arma> is this a serious presentation?
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> aha, ok, it's not a serious presentation :)
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=210316&cid=17137366  <--- bahahahaha
01:48 <ghableska> haha
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> I was expecting some pseudoscience crackpot link.  Took me by surprise, made my kids laugh too without knowing what they were laughing about
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> Leaders at Texas conference join McKissic's call for more freedom
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> anyone want to know the freedom they want?
02:15 <Seyahnav> #weather saint john
02:15 <armabot> Seyahnav: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 25mph / 41km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM AST; Tonight - Flurries changing to periods of rain this evening. Rainfall amount 5 to 10 mm. Fog patches developing this evening. Wind south 40 km/h gusting to 60. Temperature rising to 6 by morning.; Thursday - Periods of rain. Amount 5 to 10 (1 more message)
02:16 <Seyahnav> #moe
02:16 <Seyahnav> #more
02:16 <armabot> Seyahnav: mm. Fog patches. Wind south 30 km/h. High 8. Thursday night..periods of rain ending early in the evening then cloudy periods. Wind becoming north 20 km/h overnight. Low minus 3.; Friday - A mix of sun and cloud. High minus 1.;
02:16 <Seyahnav> #night
02:16 <armabot> Good night Seyahnav!
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02:39 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:39 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 26.6°F (6:54 PM CST on December 06, 2006). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 21.2°F. Windchill: 14.0°F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa. 
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03:27 <Arma74> #dict Subvitrieous
03:27 <armabot> Arma74: No definition for "Subvitrieous" could be found.
03:28 <Arma74> #dict subvitreous
03:28 <armabot> Arma74: No definition for "subvitreous" could be found.
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03:29 <Your_mom_arma> why login here on a java client to check a definition when you could use google
03:29 <ghableska> lmao
03:29 <ghableska> #uberinsult
03:29 <armabot> You're not even the void in Canada's head
03:30 <luke-jr> lol
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> I love my new avatar
03:47 <ghableska> :)
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03:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://openclipart.org/clipart//people/architetto_francesco_ro_01.svg  <--- engineers?
03:56 <DrJoeTr0n> hang is back :D
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> did he get tired of that kangaroo chick he was chasing?
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04:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm taking my turkey out and I'm 95% confident it's cooked all the way through
04:32 <DrJoeTr0n> hahaha
04:32 <DrJoeTr0n> did you put a thermometer in?
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, I'm psychic
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> I will though, don't worry
04:34 <DrJoeTr0n> so
04:34 <DrJoeTr0n> is there a way to block java clients from entering this channel?
04:35 <DrJoeTr0n> because that would make life much grander
04:37 <ghableska> haha
04:49 <ghableska> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:19 <Lucifer_arma> no need for a thermometer, the fucking thing was falling apart
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe I cooked a 4 hour turkey, but I pulled it off
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> it was good, too
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1417.50 + 1293.75
05:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1,417.50 + 1,293.75 = 2,711.25
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: did you get those units ripped for the iso tileset?
06:01 <GodTodd> hrmm
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> hrmm?
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> just added a balloon to my ruleset :)
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> you get it with Chemistry
06:06 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:06 <GodTodd> finals next week :)
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> it is about that time again, isn't it?
06:07 <GodTodd> yep
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> I also gave explorers vision of 2, to make them good scouts
06:07 <GodTodd> but i'm totally done with c++
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?  final project--no final test?
06:08 <GodTodd> nah...final project and final test but the teacher is going to be having surgery next tuesday so bumped it all up a week
06:09 <GodTodd> actually...bumped two weeks i think
06:09 <GodTodd> whatever we took the final a week ago tuesday :)
06:12 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: biowarfare?
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> need better support in the engine for that :/
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> althugh I've considered having a chemical weapon that spits out pollution squares, if that's possible
06:13 <luke-jr> aww
06:13 <luke-jr> nuclear does something like that
06:13 <luke-jr> make a plane that can spray it
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/gettingstarted.php
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://wargamer.sourceforge.net/  <--- too bad it's windows only
06:32 <luke-jr> http://google.com/search?btnI=I&q=EFIKA
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> I want a WWII simulation
06:36 <luke-jr> WWII sucked
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it did, but it's the largest war in history, and therefore makes a fun strategy game
06:39 <luke-jr> :p
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> I want a general purpose strategy wargame engine
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> I think I saw one on sourceforge...
06:46 <DrJoeTr0n> when are we allowed to flame the people shitting up the boards?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> so, are we going to resume a freeciv game tonight?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTr0n: anytime?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> you want to flame kyle?
06:47 <DrJoeTr0n> i dont pay attention to his posts
06:47 <DrJoeTr0n> hoax's
06:47 <DrJoeTr0n> "DOOD LOOK AT DAT LAG
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I don't read hoax's posts, heh
06:49 <DrJoeTr0n> can tank change peoples avatars?
06:49 <DrJoeTr0n> because i got one for canada
06:49 <DrJoeTr0n> http://67.36.178.146/kng.jpg
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> yes, why?
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 67.36.178.146.
06:49 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah, just saw that
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> *shameless avatar plug*
06:50 <DrJoeTr0n> hmmm
06:54 <DrJoeTr0n> ok
06:54 <DrJoeTr0n> http://67.36.178.146/kng.jpg i forgot i changed mac addresses
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> we need irc avatars
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> man, this turkey gravy I made is fucking awesome
06:57 <DrJoeTr0n> we need to kill that browser client
06:57 <DrJoeTr0n> because god damn
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> is he really only 12, or is he just some underdeveloped teenager?
07:00 <DrJoeTr0n> arent they one in the same?
07:00 <DrJoeTr0n> im pretty sure he is only 12
07:01 <DrJoeTr0n> you gotta be 13 to be on without parental permission :p
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here got scorched 3d?
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: luke-jr (hi there!) ping
07:08 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: KVIrc supports avatars
07:09 <luke-jr> no civ tonight
07:09 <luke-jr> Fri maybe
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/
07:10 <DrJoeTr0n> ive heard and seen it a bunch of times
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> play it?
07:11 <DrJoeTr0n> nope
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm installing it, I've played it before and it's a lot of fun
07:11 <DrJoeTr0n> was playin gunbound at the time, didnt need another one
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> looks like you can have up to 24 other players
07:11 <spidey> dude
07:11 <spidey> i get
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> really?  gunbound's an artillery game?
07:11 <DrJoeTr0n> i thought it was only 4
07:11 <spidey> 7fps in americas army
07:11 <spidey> 7!
07:11 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah thats what gunbound is
07:11 <spidey> but it runs smoothly
07:11 <spidey> i don't get it
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> motion blur?
07:11 <DrJoeTr0n> americas army blows
07:12 <spidey> you blow
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, come play scorched3d with me :)
07:12 <spidey> ??
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we can get joe to play
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> [00:09] <Lucifer_arma> http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/
07:12 <DrJoeTr0n> i remember scorched earth
07:12 <DrJoeTr0n> bah! you fuckers
07:13 <spidey> stfu and get it
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> I never played scorched earth, but sexylosers had a fun parody of it
07:13 <spidey> you make me get all these games >.>
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:13 <DrJoeTr0n> gunbound was cool if you knew who you were playing with
07:13 <spidey> americas army => 3.14gb
07:13 <spidey> ;/
07:13 <DrJoeTr0n> but most of the time it drove you crazy
07:13 <DrJoeTr0n> americas army sucks spidey
07:13 <DrJoeTr0n> uninstall it
07:13 <DrJoeTr0n> you're better than this
07:14 <luke-jr> lol
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> he loves his country, what's wrong with that?
07:14 <DrJoeTr0n> do i need to upgrade?
07:14 <spidey> pay my internet bill or something else, then i might
07:14 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: his country sucks, that's what's wrong with it
07:14 <spidey> till then ~i~ am playing it
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't ask what was wrong with his country...
07:14 <spidey> ...
07:14 <spidey> luke
07:14 <luke-jr> spid
07:14 <DrJoeTr0n> silly missourians, they forget what country they are in sometimes.
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> anybody finish installing scorched3d yet?
07:14 <spidey> if it sucks so much why are you still here?
07:15 <luke-jr> spidey: I never said there was a better alternative
07:15 <spidey> 7 seconds
07:15 <spidey> then stfu
07:15 <DrJoeTr0n> 2 minutes
07:15 <luke-jr> just because US sucks least doesn't change the fact that it sucks
07:15 <DrJoeTr0n> do i need to patch?
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of....
07:15 <DrJoeTr0n> ok
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's open source, no problems, right?
07:16 <spidey> ok luci
07:16 <spidey> what do i do?
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> don't know yet, still waiting for the rpm to install
07:16 <spidey> lol
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's been ~8 months since I last played it
07:16 <spidey> i already got it installed :D
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> had to install openAL too
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> the progress bar says it's done, though
07:17 <spidey> 640x480
07:17 <spidey> hell no
07:17 <DrJoeTr0n> cant handle it spidey?
07:17 <spidey> to small
07:18 <spidey> had to turn it up ;x
07:18 <spidey> "failed to open sound device"
07:18 <spidey> wtf
07:18 <DrJoeTr0n> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cefef8f29c
07:19 <spidey> i had to disable sound
07:19 <spidey> heh
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> er, I missed what port it started on, heh
07:19 <DrJoeTr0n> installed and somewhat configured
07:19 <spidey> ..
07:20 <spidey> these "human" looking guys suck :D
07:20 <spidey> they're flat
07:20 <spidey> and green
07:20 <spidey> and look like building blocks o.O
07:20 <spidey> kenny!
07:21 <DrJoeTr0n> bender!
07:21 <spidey> haha
07:21 <spidey> they have sonic
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, connect to www.davefancella.com of course :)
07:22 <spidey> 'er
07:22 <spidey> gotta patch
07:22 <spidey> sec
07:24 <spidey> the hell
07:24 <spidey> luci
07:24 <spidey> you downloadedthe ubuntu package didn't you?
07:25 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping
07:25 <spidey> me and joe can't play on your server
07:25 <spidey> probably anyone else to..
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> thing was broke
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> bigtime broke :/
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> I used the mandriva package, why?
07:26 <spidey> says you're running version 40
07:27 <spidey> and windows version is 40.1
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> what's the problem with that?  too old or something?
07:27 <spidey> yea
07:27 <spidey> i patched and it still says that
07:27 <spidey> =/
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, downloading the rpm given by the scorched3d site
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> text was all screwed up, I couldn't read anything
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> what's this patch thing they're talking about?
07:28 <spidey> ?
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> you guys keep talking about patching something
07:30 <spidey> nvm
07:30 <spidey> it's just a windows patch
07:30 <spidey> wrong one, heh
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, started the server by itself
07:31 <DrJoeTr0n> ok
07:31 <DrJoeTr0n> im ready
07:31 <DrJoeTr0n> Lucifer_arma do you have server info for me?
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> hang on, I was starting the server, then my web browser said "it's downloaded, want to isntall?"
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> so just a minute...
07:32 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
07:32 <armabot> spidey: [07:24:36] <Lucifer_arma> ok, connect to www.davefancella.com of course :)
07:32 <DrJoeTr0n> ten four
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> this package wanted libstdc++
07:32 <DrJoeTr0n> this could prove interesting
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> which probably explains what was broken in the other package, stdc++ has localization stuff in it, iirc
07:33 <spidey> i want breakfast, but i don't feel like making it ;/
07:34 <luke-jr> my Chicago server rental is officially cancelled
07:34 <spidey> ?
07:34 <luke-jr> lightfoot
07:34 <spidey> heh
07:35 <spidey> gimme a link where you got it :p
07:35 <luke-jr> why
07:35 <spidey> why not
07:35 <luke-jr> cuz I'd rather get business than competitors? :p
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07:35 <luke-jr> ...
07:35 <spidey> what buisness you canceled
07:36 <luke-jr> yeah, cuz nobody has Chicago hosting right now
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07:36 <spidey> lol
07:36 <luke-jr> If someone buys Chicago service from me, I rent a new one
07:36 <luke-jr> big deal
07:36 <spidey> if i wanted to compete with you it wouldn't be hard
07:36 <luke-jr> maybe with a different company
07:36 <spidey> i don't really even play tron anymore ;x
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, server's started
07:37 <luke-jr> heh
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
07:37 <luke-jr> www sux
07:37 <luke-jr> :p
07:37 <luke-jr> SRV records should be mandatory
07:37 <luke-jr> etc
07:37 <luke-jr> k ttyl
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07:39 <DrJoeTron> that was super keen
07:39 <DrJoeTron> ok im ready
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> man, these fonts are all fucked up still
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> can't see shit for words
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07:40 <spidey_> gee
07:40 <spidey_> how thoughful of them
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07:41 <spidey> btw
07:41 <spidey> i can't play
07:41 <spidey> it crashes my vid drivers
07:42 <spidey> and i booted to the wrong install
07:42 <spidey> brb
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07:43 <Lucifer_arma> man
07:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:44 <DrJoeTron> intel integerated sucks
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07:44 <spidey> ok
07:44 <spidey> #last --nolimit
07:44 <armabot> spidey: [07:47:39] <spidey> ok, [07:47:30] <DrJoeTron> intel integerated sucks, [07:47:25] <DrJoeTron> yeah, [07:45:54] <Lucifer_arma> man, [07:45:04] <spidey> brb, [07:45:04] <spidey> and i booted to the wrong install, [07:45:04] <spidey> it crashes my vid drivers, [07:45:03] <spidey> i can't play, [07:45:03] <spidey> btw, [07:45:03] <spidey_> how thoughful of them, [07:45:02] <spidey_> gee, [07:43:08] <Lucifer_arma> (50 more messages)
07:45 <DrJoeTron> thats why dell makes horrible computers if you plan on using them for anything other than using Calc.exe
07:45 <spidey> ....
07:47 <spidey> how about freeciv? Lucifer_arma luke-jr 
07:47 <spidey> ;p
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> man, this is thoroughly disappointing
07:47 <GodTodd> luke-jr sux
07:47 <spidey> #more
07:47 <armabot> spidey: can't see shit for words, [07:43:03] <Lucifer_arma> man, these fonts are all fucked up still, [07:42:03] <DrJoeTron> ok im ready, [07:42:01] <DrJoeTron> that was super keen, [07:40:26] <luke-jr> k ttyl, [07:40:23] <luke-jr> etc, [07:40:23] <luke-jr> SRV records should be mandatory, [07:40:02] <luke-jr> :p, [07:40:00] <luke-jr> www sux, [07:39:51] <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com, [07:39:50] <luke-jr> heh, (49 more messages)
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> because, you know, we're all going to have lots of fun playing scorched3d if the damn thing would just work :/
07:47 <DrJoeTron> damn it!
07:48 <spidey> #more
07:48 <armabot> spidey: [07:39:45] <Lucifer_arma> ok, server's started, [07:39:44] <spidey> i don't really even play tron anymore ;x, [07:39:34] <luke-jr> maybe with a different company, [07:39:34] <spidey> if i wanted to compete with you it wouldn't be hard, [07:39:18] <luke-jr> big deal, [07:39:16] <luke-jr> If someone buys Chicago service from me, I rent a new one, [07:39:14] <spidey> lol, [07:38:54] <luke-jr> yeah, cuz nobody has (48 more messages)
07:48 <DrJoeTron> i'm staying up for this Lucifer_arma  You're ruining christmas!
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> but I've got no fonts, so the game's unplayable
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if I'm clicking on "play game" or "change your tampon"
07:48 <spidey> lol
07:49 <spidey> how about freeciv..
07:49 <spidey> i wanna finish that game :D
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> sure, just us, or does GodTodd (hi there!) want to jump in?
07:49 <DrJoeTron> im pretty sure you're clicking "make spidey obsess over a crappy game"
07:49 <DrJoeTron> no wait
07:49 <DrJoeTron> you're clicking "make DrJoeTron type worse"
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I changed the ruleset a bit, don't know if it'll work
07:49 <spidey> ...
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> how baout I click "get DrJoeTron (hi there!) to play freeciv instead"
07:50 <DrJoeTron> next week
07:50 <spidey> lol
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> you said that last week
07:50 <DrJoeTron> i said that 24 hours ago
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07:51 <Arma54> i got in!!!
07:51 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i was talking about that one where you was about to invade luke-jr 
07:51 -!- Arma54 is now known as Pilot
07:51 <DrJoeTron> see if you can get out :)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr doesn't want to play tonight
07:51 -!- Pilot is now known as Pilot_
07:51 <spidey> ...
07:52 <spidey> hm
07:52 <spidey> didn't i say i wasn't playing anymore with him anyways?
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, yeah, who unlocked the door here?
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> something about him wussing out when it's time to restore?
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> I've started some savegame on my server, no idea which one though, heh
07:53 <spidey> well
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> it has a luke-jr away ai in it
07:53 <spidey> i refuse to play with luke anymore :D
07:53 <spidey> he never finishes a game
07:53 <GodTodd> of course not...he's always on the verge of losing ;)
07:53 <DrJoeTron> is defcon out for linux yet?
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, heh, I don't know if we'll finish this one, it's a large map with lots of ais, and I'm getting damn sick of fighting ais
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: come join this game for awhile, take an ai :)
07:53 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:54 <GodTodd> i really shouldn't
07:54 <GodTodd> :/
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> well then don't, up to you
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:54 <GodTodd> heh
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08:06 <DrJoeTron> http://averagebattlefield2game.ytmnd.com/ ahhahaha
08:09 <DrJoeTron> so nothing going on about scorch3d?
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> no, we went to freeciv instead, sorry
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> scorched is unplayable on my machine because of weird font shit :/
08:12 <DrJoeTron> night
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08:29 <Arma883> hey
08:29 <Arma883> anyone there
08:30 <GodTodd> no
08:30 <Arma883> lol
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09:42 <custang> hey all :)
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13:45 <spidey> #cnn 38256
13:45 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 31.0°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Wind: NNW at 5 mph (8 km/h).
14:07 <spidey> #g 6y - [-8y]
14:07 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:33 <spidey> #g 30 usd in ca
14:33 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:33 <spidey> #g 30 usd in cad
14:34 <armabot> spidey: 30 U.S. dollars = 34.24200 Canadian dollars
14:34 <spidey> #g 30CAD in USD
14:34 <armabot> spidey: 30 Canadian dollars = 26.2835115 U.S. dollars
14:42 <spidey> #g 5-6
14:42 <armabot> spidey: 5 - 6 = -1
14:44 <spidey> #g 7x - 3y - 9x - 4y
14:44 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:44 <spidey> ..
14:44 <spidey> #g 7x - 3y
14:44 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:44 <spidey> ghey
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15:59 <Arma886> gh
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16:14 <CT|P4> hello
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17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6475 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/network/nSocket.cpp: Reverted a change from the mingw cross compilation fixes; the include of unistd.h really is required on BSD platforms.
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19:46 <DrJoeTron> fuck today!
19:46 <DrJoeTron> my car got lodged in the snow, i tore my pants, and I missed my final
19:50 <luke-jr_work> you have a car?
19:51  * luke-jr_work didn't think they licensed people so young
19:52 <luke-jr_work> or are you older, just immature?
19:56  * wrtlprnft didn't think they let people as childish as luke-jr_work connect to FreeNode…
19:56 <luke-jr_work> actually, that was a serious question :p
19:57 <DrJoeTron> im 20
19:57 <luke-jr_work> wow
19:58 <luke-jr_work> anyway
19:58 <DrJoeTron> mom
19:58 <luke-jr_work> I'd imagine they'd let you retake the final
19:58 <DrJoeTron> well i went in
19:58 <DrJoeTron> and he said keep the grade i have now or take the final
19:58 <luke-jr_work> O.o
19:58 <DrJoeTron> so i kept my grade
19:59 <luke-jr_work> heh
19:59 <luke-jr_work> that works
19:59 <luke-jr_work> so why are you complaining about missing it? :p
19:59 <DrJoeTron> because it made my heart sink for an hour as i dug my car out of the snow
19:59 <DrJoeTron> and no one would let me back out so i could get the car out so i just sunk in deeper
20:00 <DrJoeTron> no point of having 4 wheel drive if i cant fucking back out
20:00 <luke-jr_work> er, a busy road? :\
20:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah
20:00 <DrJoeTron> with retarded college kids
20:00 <DrJoeTron> more retarded than i
20:00 <luke-jr_work> heh
20:01 <luke-jr_work> no cell?
20:01 <DrJoeTron> i have one
20:01 <luke-jr_work> could've called police and asked them to block the road for a few min
20:01 <luke-jr_work> or smth
20:01 <DrJoeTron> i did
20:02 <DrJoeTron> "AHHHH NAH I GOTS DA GO TO A MEETIN" YOU COULDA GET A TOW TRUCK BUT YA GOTTA SHELL OUT LIKE EIGHTY BUCKS
20:02 <luke-jr_work> wtf
20:02 <DrJoeTron> "well do you think you could give me a shovel?
20:02 <luke-jr_work> call friend or someone?
20:02 <DrJoeTron> DAHH, I SPOSE I COULD IL BE BACK ARIGHT?
20:03 <DrJoeTron> such a thick south side chicago acsent
20:03 <DrJoeTron> the closest i have right now untill next week is 40 miles away
20:04 <luke-jr_work> :/
20:04 <DrJoeTron> i eventually got the car out
20:05 <luke-jr_work> I noticed :p
20:05 <DrJoeTron> i finally got a hold of my brother and i told him to block the lane up with his car so i could drive the car out.
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20:18 <spidey> oh i thought i had closed this one
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20:20 <luke-jr_work> spidey: foo
20:20 <luke-jr_work> anyone here a hardware expert?
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20:21 <Durka> hi lazer
20:21 <Arma52> nice chat
20:21 <spidey> ....
20:21 -!- Arma52 is now known as Lazer
20:21 <Durka> u 4got to change ur name...
20:21 <Durka> ok cool
20:21 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:21 <spidey> luke-jr_work, why you always needing a expert, i thought you knew everything
20:21 <Lazer> private chat ?
20:21 <luke-jr_work> spidey: you say it is so
20:21 <Durka> no its ok
20:22 <Durka> its the developers from arma oon here
20:22 <Durka> except spidey...hes a n00b
20:22 <Lazer> ok i open config.cfr
20:22 <spidey> what hardware?
20:22 <spidey> Durka, shush
20:22 <Durka> no open user.cfg
20:22 <luke-jr_work> wtf is a cfr
20:22 <Lazer> ok
20:22 <luke-jr_work> spidey: EFIKA-like
20:22  * Durka drowns spidey in colors
20:22 <Durka> maz are u here?
20:22 <luke-jr_work> Durka: look at your fscking userlist
20:22 <spidey> i just spent 3 hours sitting in a place for absolutely nothing besides hearing the kids act like complete retards
20:22 <spidey> worse than DrJoeTron 
20:23 <luke-jr_work> #google EFIKA
20:23 <spidey> then i go ask "have you finished grading my self test yet?"
20:23 <Durka> lol
20:23 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Search took 0.35 seconds: Genesi - EFIKA 5200B: <http://www.genesippc.com/efika.php>; Genesi - Press Releases: <http://www.genesippc.com/press.php?date=20051216>; PegasosPPC - Gallery for EFIKA 5K2: <http://www.pegasosppc.com/gallery.php?id=128>; Evolution of the Species: EFIKA EUREKA!: <http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/01/efika-eureka.html>; Evolution of the Species: EFIKA Power!: (2 more messages)
20:23 <spidey> ugh....we're sorry it's to late to test
20:23  * Durka is sorry
20:23 <spidey> >:|
20:23 <Durka> have u found it lazer?
20:23 <spidey> Lazer, efika?
20:23 <spidey> 'er
20:23 <spidey> luke-jr_work, efika?
20:23 <Lazer> i havent user.cfg
20:24 <luke-jr_work> spidey: I just googled it for you
20:24 <Durka> its in C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application Data\Armagetron Advanced\var\user.cfg
20:24 <Durka> look around there
20:24 <spidey> no you didn't
20:24 <Lazer> ah ok
20:24 <spidey> armabot did
20:24 <luke-jr_work> #google EFIKA
20:24 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
20:24 <luke-jr_work> o.o
20:25 <spidey> ?
20:25 <spidey> #google test
20:25 <spidey> wtf is that???
20:25 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.23 seconds: Test Central Home: <http://www.test.com/>; Bandwidth Speed Test: <http://www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/>; Geek Out with the Original Geek Test: <http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html>; SparkLife: <http://community.sparknotes.com/>; Testing Foundations - Brian Marick: <http://www.testing.com/>; Personality test based on Jung - Myers-Briggs typology: (1 more message)
20:25 <spidey> a mini mobo?
20:25 <Lazer> user_30 or user ?
20:25 <Durka> just user.cfg
20:25 <Durka> in the var folder right?
20:26 <luke-jr_work> spidey: sure
20:26 <Lazer> ok
20:26 <Lazer>     INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_11 0xff8800!!!  0x000000BEL0xffff88GI0xff0000UM  0xff8800!!!
20:26 <luke-jr_work> spidey: you get it free if you help me make it into a mini laptop
20:26 <Lazer> oops no
20:26 <Durka> in var right?
20:26 <Lazer> yes
20:26 <Durka> ok
20:26 <Lazer> its open
20:26 <spidey> huh?
20:27 <Durka> fine the one that is ur default one
20:27 <spidey> btw is that a mac board?
20:27 <luke-jr_work> spidey: no
20:27 <spidey> k
20:27 <luke-jr_work> it's PowerPC non-Apple
20:27 <Durka> like INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_blahblah 0xff0000B0xff0000\
20:27 <spidey> ppc is a different platform right?
20:27 <Durka> something like that
20:27 <Durka> find it
20:28 <luke-jr_work> spidey: PPC = PowerPC
20:28 <luke-jr_work> Apple used to use it
20:28 <Durka> replace B with fl
20:28 <Lazer> ?? i miss "INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_x " 1<x<10 !
20:28 <spidey> btw
20:28 <Durka> fine the one u use to talk
20:28 <spidey> how do you plan to make that into a mini laptop?
20:28 <Durka> it says
20:29 <Durka> 0xff0000B0xffff00\
20:29 <spidey> it doesn't have integrated graphics
20:29 <Durka> or something like that
20:29 <luke-jr_work> spidey: redesigning the board, adding a GPU, etc
20:30 <Durka> find it yet?
20:31 <Lazer> i found every chat except the with x and /team x  :s  in case of the last i have : /team //
20:31 <luke-jr_work> you mean \
20:31 <luke-jr_work> foo
20:31 <spidey> ...
20:31 <luke-jr_work> spidey: ...
20:31 <spidey> what's he talkingabout?
20:31 <luke-jr_work> so I'm guessing you lack the hw skillz too?
20:32 <spidey> ...
20:32 <Lazer> aaaah
20:32 <Lazer> it is in user_3_0
20:32 <Lazer>     INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_14 0xff000BB0xfff000\\
20:32 <Durka> ok
20:32 <Lazer> what do i have to do ?
20:32 <Durka> replace B with
20:32  * luke-jr_work strangles Lazer for typoing
20:32 <Durka> fl
20:32 <Durka> thats one letter
20:32 <Durka> just copy it
20:32 <Durka> and paste
20:32 <Durka> test it out
20:33 <Durka> it should show up as ß
20:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:33 <Durka> hey wrtl
20:33 <wrtlprnft> Only idiots write in color all the time!
20:33 <wrtlprnft> hi
20:33 <Durka> lol
20:34 <Durka> how do you right in color in irc :[
20:34 <luke-jr_work> haha
20:34 <wrtlprnft> depends on your client
20:34 <luke-jr_work> don't tell Durka 
20:34 <Lazer> to delete the bookmarks, just delete the bookmarks in user.cfg ?
20:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: don't worry
20:34 <Durka> u can do tht
20:34 <Lazer> ok ty
20:34 <Durka> or delete them ingame
20:34 <wrtlprnft> Lazer: delete every line containing BOOKMARK
20:34 <Durka> tell me if the ß works
20:34 <luke-jr_work> it doesn't
20:34 <Durka> go into local game and test it
20:35 <Durka> fl somehow = ß
20:35 <Lazer> ok i go try
20:35 <Durka> k
20:35  * spidey sets a new irinstant chat
20:35  * Durka pokes Maz...is he here?
20:36  * wrtlprnft ponders fl has to do with ß
20:36  * spidey presses F1
20:36 <spidey> "OMG IT'S DURKA EVERYONE PRETEND TO BE IDLE"
20:36 <wrtlprnft> fl is 0xfb02 in UTF-8, and ß is 0xdf…
20:37 <Durka> lol
20:37 <Durka> very nice
20:38  * Durka press F2
20:38 <Durka> "SO...SHALL WE BE HEADING OFF TO THAT CUSTOM CONNECT GAME THAT SPIDEY CAN'T GET INTO?"
20:38 <spidey> ....
20:38 <spidey> why would i care?
20:38 <Durka> :)
20:39  * Durka learned who GodTodd was today
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20:39 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:39 <spidey> ....
20:39 <luke-jr_work> wait
20:39 <Durka> ...
20:39 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd plays arma??
20:39 <spidey> LOL
20:39 <Durka> i dont think so
20:39 <luke-jr_work> I thought he just hung out here and chats
20:40 <z3> how 180
20:40 <luke-jr_work> wtf is z3
20:40 <Durka> http://www.davefancella.com/node/105
20:40 <Durka> godtodd is lucis friend
20:41 <spidey> no shit?
20:41 <luke-jr_work> no rly?
20:41 <Durka> HEY im a n00b
20:41 <Durka> settle down
20:41  * Durka hides in corner
20:41  * luke-jr_work saves that quote
20:42 <spidey> #quote add <Durka> HEY im a n00b
20:42 <armabot> spidey: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
20:42 <DrJoeTron> get outta town!
20:42 <spidey> #quote add <Durka> HEY im a n00b
20:42 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.  Quote #36 added.
20:42  * Durka can't connect to any Luke-Jr. US server
20:42 <spidey> #quote get 36
20:42 <armabot> spidey: Quote #36: "<Durka> HEY im a n00b" (added by spidey at 08:45 PM, December 07, 2006)
20:42 <DrJoeTron> save it to notepad
20:43 <Durka> #quote get 35
20:43 <armabot> Durka: Quote #35: "ur not a good writer :P - Ady" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:00 PM, November 13, 2006)
20:43 <spidey> lol
20:43 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
20:43 <Durka> #quote get 34
20:43 <DrJoeTron> #q
20:43 <armabot> Durka: Quote #34: "im FBI, got ya...hands up,or i will shot at u with dos attacks-Ady" (added by spidey at 01:17 AM, November 11, 2006)
20:43 <luke-jr_work> Durka: it's probably gone
20:43 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 05:23 AM, June 21, 2006)
20:43 <Durka> #quote get 33
20:43 <armabot> Durka: Quote #33: "that wasn't a war, that was you losing units trying to attack one city...then mom joined in with howtizers-spidey" (added by spidey at 04:07 AM, November 07, 2006)
20:43 <Durka> #quote get 1
20:43 <armabot> Durka: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:37 AM, March 24, 2006)
20:43 <Durka> lol
20:44 <Lazer> shit all my config fucked up
20:44 -!- z3 [n=z3000@216.184.124.207] has left #armagetron ["Konversation terminated!"]
20:44 <wrtlprnft> who is Lazer anyways
20:44 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Lazer 
20:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Lazer has last been seen on -=|LoD|=- Sumo Temporary Server 14 minutes ago.
20:44 <Lazer> lol
20:45 <wrtlprnft> must be playing on other servers than i am
20:45 <Durka> #quite add <spidey> lol
20:45 <Lazer> I'm the finalist of the Sumo Tournament
20:45 <spidey> ...
20:45 <spidey> noob
20:45 <Lazer> a :P
20:45 <Durka> sumo tounament
20:45 <Durka> it never started lol
20:45 <Lazer> no but i'm not bad
20:45 <Durka> how could u be in the finals???
20:45 <wrtlprnft> but in fact he played over 38 hours since 24 Sept 2006
20:45 <Lazer> i lied :'(
20:46 <wrtlprnft> that's 2.6% of the time since them!
20:46 <Durka> as hellion wrote on the arma forums: Wrtlpwned
20:46 <Lazer> is 38h much ?
20:46 <wrtlprnft> more than 1½ days
20:46  * wrtlprnft should stfu w/ his 52.5 hours
20:46 <Durka> wrtl: make it start fresh at the new year
20:46 <wrtlprnft> Durka: probably need to anyways
20:46 <DrJoeTron> quit adding crap the quote list
20:46 <Lazer> durka, when i set fl, it ask me to save in Unicode
20:47 <Lazer> i did it and all my config gone
20:47 <Lazer> can u repass me that fl ?
20:47 <wrtlprnft> loool
20:47 <wrtlprnft> flflflflfl
20:47 <Durka> ok go back
20:47 <Durka> and dont use f1
20:47 <Durka> use ß
20:47 <Durka> then try
20:48 <DrJoeTron> holy shit
20:48 <Durka> it should go back to normal
20:48 <DrJoeTron> shadow run is going to be online?
20:48 <DrJoeTron> sweet fucking deal
20:48  * Durka is above wrtl by 1 hour
20:48 <wrtlprnft> note that fl in unicode is û^B in latin-1
20:48 <DrJoeTron> im starting to like the 360
20:48 <Durka> lol
20:48 <Lazer> i go try
20:48 <wrtlprnft> i don't think that'll work
20:49 <Durka> #quote add <wrtlprnft> note that fl in unicode is û^B in latin-1
20:49 <armabot> Durka: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
20:49 <Lazer> ok it works
20:49 <Lazer> ty
20:49 <wrtlprnft> Durka: the mysql database with all the data over the last 2½ months is 1.5GB…
20:49 <Lazer> how can i see my stats of arma ?
20:49 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/playerstats2.htm
20:50 <Lazer> who has IE7 here ?
20:50 <Durka> i cant read german
20:50 <Durka> wtf is this: *** NickServe Kein Nick/Kanaal gefunden
20:50 <DrJoeTron> fuck ie7
20:50  * wrtlprnft agrees with DrJoeTron 
20:50 <Durka> o not found
20:50 <DrJoeTron> i'd rather use an AOL browser
20:50 <wrtlprnft> Durka: no nick/channel found
20:50 <wrtlprnft> bad translation, i know
20:51 <wrtlprnft> “no such nick/channel” would be better
20:51 <Durka> weird
20:51 <Durka> o well
20:51 <Lazer> how did u generate that wtqomghqsbrg ?
20:52  * Durka is racing around the track - beta - ß
20:52 <Durka> lol
20:52 <Durka> its wrtlpwned
20:52 <Lazer> with an simple JS or HTML code ?
20:52 <Lazer> wrtlsfkgb ?
20:53 <Lazer> is he there ?
20:53 <Lazer> |AST|}{Alex}{ 149:01 10.1  ??? he isnt especially good
20:54 -!- Lazer [n=Arma52@241.12-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit ["Bye!"]
20:55 <wrtlprnft> well, did he want an answer or not?
20:55 <Durka> #lastseen durka_123
20:55 -!- Arma39 [n=Arma39@241.12-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron
20:55 <Durka> wb
20:55 <Arma39> eho ?
20:55 -!- Arma39 is now known as Lazer
20:55 <DrJoeTron> go back to russia!
20:55 <Lazer> aa h ouf
20:56 <Lazer> Belgium !
20:56 <DrJoeTron> this is AMERIKKA
20:56 <armabot> Durka: timed out
20:56 <Lazer> BeLGIUM
20:56 <Lazer> Is WRTL here ?
20:56 <DrJoeTron> stop typing in fucking color.
20:56 <DrJoeTron> it wasnt cool the first time
20:56 <Lazer> hello dr
20:56 <DrJoeTron> its not cool now
20:57 <spidey> is that canada?
20:57 <Lazer> Americans --> Imperialusts!!!
20:57 <spidey> cause i thought i ignored him..
20:57 <DrJoeTron> probably
20:57 <Lazer> Germany --> Nazis !!
20:57 <DrJoeTron> no
20:57 <Lazer> ALL
20:57 <DrJoeTron> its someone else to ignore
20:57 <Durka> wrtlpwnd: do you wanna host a sumo server for me during a tournament im thinking of making...i already have a us server
20:57 <DrJoeTron> i spose we better ping tank
20:57 <Lazer> lol
20:58 <DrJoeTron> and get him to block the java irc client if thats possible :)
20:58 <Durka> but if ppl wanna play on euro server
20:58 <Lazer> i'll win Durka
20:58 <Durka> its team sumo
20:58 <spidey> guru3, ping :D
20:58 <Durka> joe: we arent using java irc
20:58 <Lazer> never played team sumo
20:58 <Durka> ya its a gametype i "made"
20:58 <Durka> added more players
20:58 <DrJoeTron> which one is Lazer on?
20:58 <Durka> chhagned spawn points
20:58 <Lazer> wooow :P :P
20:59 <Durka> increases zones
20:59 <Lazer> is it already done Durka ?
20:59 <Durka> its the one on top of my site
20:59 <Durka> ya its a us server
20:59 <Lazer> whats the name ,
20:59 <Lazer> ?
20:59 <Durka> *Team* *Sumo* *By* *Durka*
20:59 <DrJoeTron> whats your site?
20:59 <Lazer> ok i come
20:59 -!- Lazer [n=Arma39@241.12-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Client Quit]
20:59 <Durka> http://ddl.notlong.com
20:59 <Durka> at the top next to the search engine thing
20:59 <Durka> u just login and it pops up
21:00 -!- DRJOETRONSUX [n=4325b894@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
21:00 <DRJOETRONSUX> ROFL OMG HI
21:00 -!- DRJOETRONSUX [n=4325b894@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
21:02 <Durka> lol
21:02 <Durka> haha joe
21:02 <Durka> do u like it?
21:02 <DrJoeTron> it would be awesome if it didnt track mud in to here ;)
21:02  * wrtlprnft grumbles at lazer
21:02 <Durka> lol
21:02 <DrJoeTron> but uh, i have my own client
21:02 <Durka> i told tank that he should put that on the arma forums
21:03 <wrtlprnft> Durka: i could, yeah
21:03 <Durka> and the search engine
21:03 <DrJoeTron> i hope not
21:03 <Durka> the seatch only searches the arma sites
21:03 <MaZuffeR> Durka: i'm here now
21:03 <Durka> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
21:03 <Durka> yo maz
21:03 <Durka> that mustve taken some mighty scrolling to find that message
21:03 -!- luke-jr_work [n=luke-jr@2002:4335:4375:0:20d:60ff:fe60:756a] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
21:03 <Durka> ok so maz
21:04 <Durka> we want a rematch vs ??
21:04 <Durka> this sunday same time same place?
21:04 <Durka> or if not in zmans in wrtls?
21:04 -!- luke-jr_work [n=luke-jr@2002:4335:4375:0:20d:60ff:fe60:756a] has joined #armagetron
21:04 <MaZuffeR> i'll ask everyone
21:05 <Durka> k
21:05 <Durka> i told egg and pez and newbie that we wanted a rematch
21:05 <Durka> they said talk to u
21:05 <guru3> spidey: pong
21:06 <guru3> yes, my internet is that slow
21:06 <MaZuffeR> k, i'll send a mail to everyone who played
21:06 <Durka> lol hi tank
21:06 <spidey> lol
21:06 <spidey> guru3, DrJoeTron wanted to ping you ;x
21:07 <guru3> where's he then?
21:07 <Durka> afk
21:08 <DrJoeTron> pong
21:08 <wrtlprnft> back
21:09 <guru3> soooooooooooo
21:10 <DrJoeTron> hey guru3 do you think we could have some moderators for the channel?
21:10 <guru3> how so?
21:11 <DrJoeTron> how so?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> like, to kick people who spread racist stuff in here? /me wouldn't mind
21:11 <DrJoeTron> i mean there seems to be alot of that happening lately
21:11  * Durka needs to get kicked
21:11 <guru3> thing is the people you think would normally be mature enough to handle that position
21:12 <guru3> wind up kicking me
21:12 <guru3> when i give them the power
21:12 <Durka> roflmao
21:12 <DrJoeTron> haha
21:12 <guru3> so you'll forgive me if i'm a bit cautious
21:12 <DrJoeTron> well, luke-jr is a baby eater, so its safe to assume that he would be corrupt
21:13 <DrJoeTron> wait, guru3 how often does that happen to you?
21:13 <guru3> i think it's been 3 out of the last 5 times
21:13 <luke-jr_work> guru3: I didn't
21:13 <guru3> you did something though i bet
21:13 <luke-jr_work> kicked spidey
21:14 <luke-jr_work> he deserved it :o
21:14 <luke-jr_work> I didn't the first time tho
21:15 <luke-jr_work> but you deoped me within a second, so the next time I knew I had to do something or I'd never get a chance
21:15 <luke-jr_work> :
21:15 <luke-jr_work> :p
21:15 <DrJoeTron> see?
21:15 <DrJoeTron> what about Lucifer_arma 
21:15 <DrJoeTron> he doesnt scare children
21:15 <spidey> guru3, can i kick luke? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaase :D
21:16 <DrJoeTron> like how luke-jr_work  does
21:17 <guru3> maybe give op privs to wrtlprnft 
21:17 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:17  * wrtlprnft wouldn't run around kicking everyone at least
21:17 <guru3> z-man
21:17 <guru3> never spidey
21:17 <DrJoeTron> give it to people who are active
21:17 <spidey> :(
21:18 <spidey> never DrJoeTron 
21:18 <spidey> !
21:18 <guru3> yeah...
21:18 <guru3> but you can just message me
21:18 <spidey> lol
21:18 <DrJoeTron> i dont really know how to work irc much. so i wouldnt be very good
21:18 <spidey> i dun care anyways...i have the leetest power of all
21:18 <spidey> /ignore ftw!
21:19 <DrJoeTron> what about wrtlprnft and Lucifer_arma 
21:19 <spidey> luci kicked tank
21:19 <spidey> rofl
21:19 <DrJoeTron> those two are usually active
21:19 <DrJoeTron> bwahahaha
21:20  * wrtlprnft is looking at http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
21:20 <DrJoeTron> bwahahaha nice quote GodTodd 
21:20 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: Lucifer_arma was the one who kicked guru3 
21:21  * luke-jr_work wouldn't run around kicking everyone if it were a perm thing :p
21:21 <wrtlprnft> http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/82120
21:21 <wrtlprnft> hahaha!
21:21 <wrtlprnft> how right it is!
21:22 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034246069.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:22 <guru3> access #armagetron add wrtlprnft 10
21:22 <guru3> whoops
21:22 <DrJoeTron> aww my quote is so weak
21:22 <Durka> hey van
21:23 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
21:23 <DrJoeTron> huzzah!
21:23 <luke-jr_work> guru3: note I didn't do anything when you opped me the first time, and only the second because spidey deserved it and I knew it was temporary
21:23 <spidey> ...
21:23 <luke-jr_work> and nothing the third time again
21:23 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_work is craving for maximum power!
21:23 <spidey> bs
21:23 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: op isn't max baka
21:23 <spidey> i was afk when you did it
21:24 <luke-jr_work> spidey: you had a lot piled up :)
21:24 <spidey> well
21:24 <guru3> hope you're all happy now
21:24 <luke-jr_work> guru3: thanks
21:24 <spidey> then you deserved to be banned by each person from this channel
21:24 <spidey> aka Lucifer_arma wrtlprnft me :p
21:24 <@wrtlprnft> :D
21:25 <@wrtlprnft> i'll keep it like guru3 and only op if needed :P
21:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o wrtlprnft] by wrtlprnft
21:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
21:25 <spidey> haha
21:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o wrtlprnft] by wrtlprnft
21:25 <luke-jr_work> O.o
21:25 <wrtlprnft> just testing #op, sorry
21:25 <spidey> <3 chanserv
21:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
21:25 <spidey> o.o
21:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
21:25 <luke-jr_work> hm
21:25 <wrtlprnft> that wasn't me.
21:25 <luke-jr_work> weird syntax
21:25 <luke-jr_work> why not a 'deop' cmd?
21:26 <guru3> there is one
21:26 <luke-jr_work> o well, can always deop w/ the button
21:26 <luke-jr_work> there is?
21:26 <guru3> op yourself luke-jr_work 
21:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: /mode -o luke-jr_work 
21:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
21:26 <wrtlprnft> no need for chanserv if you want to deop someone…
21:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
21:26 <guru3> see
21:26 <guru3> can be done
21:26 <luke-jr_work> Konv annoys me
21:26 <luke-jr_work> yeah
21:26 <luke-jr_work> but I used OP -Luke-Jr_work
21:27 <luke-jr_work> [14:27:14] [Notice] -ChanServ- No help available on deop 
21:27 <DrJoeTron> im gonna book mark the stats page
21:27 <DrJoeTron> this is a riot
21:27 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:27 <wrtlprnft> wtf is CMDCLEAR?
21:27 <spidey> ?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> 21:27 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- No help available on cmdclear
21:27 <DrJoeTron> of all of the random quotes GodTodd
21:27 <luke-jr_work> ??
21:27 <DrJoeTron> s is "shit fuck satan death sex drugs rape"
21:27 <spidey> clears stuff?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:28 <wrtlprnft> the command is CLEAR
21:28 <spidey> lol
21:28 <spidey> i have to reinstall my mixer board brb
21:28 <wrtlprnft> CLEAR USERS     - Removes all users from channel
21:28 <luke-jr_work> eek
21:28 <Durka> no!
21:28 <wrtlprnft> that sounds dangerous o_O
21:28 <wrtlprnft> not gonna use it
21:29 <wrtlprnft> pretty analogous to /admin QUIT
21:29 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by ChanServ
21:30 <guru3> wrtlprnft: thanks
21:30 <guru3> good to know there's a shortcut
21:30 <wrtlprnft> oh lol
21:30 <+spidey> :<
21:30 <+spidey> i don't have sound
21:31 <wrtlprnft> why would you ever want to kick everyone?
21:31 <+spidey> and i can't find my backup drivers ;/
21:31 <+spidey> wrtlprnft, move the channel?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> spidey: your sound is gone, you have voice now
21:31 <wrtlprnft> not from me, though
21:31 <+spidey> ...
21:31 <DrJoeTron> or if anything
21:31 <DrJoeTron> guru3 is there a way to remove colored text?
21:32 <+spidey> i mean my audio driver
21:32 <+spidey> yea
21:32 <+spidey> +c
21:32 <DrJoeTron> the kiddies tend to latch on to that as fast as possible
21:32 <+spidey> ../mode +c
21:32 <+spidey> or something o.O
21:32 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: yeah
21:32 <wrtlprnft> #f
21:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
21:32 <armabot> Random Fortune: Our comedies are not to be laughed at. -Samuel Goldwyn
21:32 <DrJoeTron> #q
21:32 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Quote #31: "<Fonkay> #eliza you are stupid <armabot> Fonkay: Why do you say i are stupid?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:05 AM, November 02, 2006)
21:32 <wrtlprnft> that wouldn't work either then, though
21:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+c] by luke-jr_work
21:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr_work] by luke-jr_work
21:32 <luke-jr_work> happy?
21:32 <luke-jr_work> #f
21:32 <armabot> Random Fortune: It's more than magnificent-it's mediocre. -Samuel Goldwyn
21:32 <luke-jr_work> hm
21:33 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: that won't stay for long
21:33 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: no?
21:33 <luke-jr_work> whatever :p
21:33 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: you need access level 11 methinks
21:33 <luke-jr_work> why?
21:33 <luke-jr_work> [14:34:03] [Notice] -ChanServ- 11    25    SET       Modify channel SETs
21:33 <luke-jr_work> oh
21:34 <guru3> access level 25
21:34 <guru3> but set doesn't cover color codes
21:34 <wrtlprnft> level 25, id 11
21:34 <wrtlprnft> whatever
21:34 <wrtlprnft> there's some command to set the channel modes, i know that much
21:35 <wrtlprnft> found it when i played around with #arma-ladle, which is mine
21:35 <+spidey> hahahahha
21:35 <luke-jr_work> set mlock <-- locks em
21:35 <+spidey> i'm stupid
21:35 <+spidey> no
21:35 <+spidey> i know what it is
21:35 <+spidey> that stupid game Lucifer_arma had us download
21:35 <+spidey> it disabled my windows audio service
21:35 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: aah
21:35 <DrJoeTron> scorch3d
21:35 <DrJoeTron> ?
21:35 -!- mode/#armagetron [+c] by ChanServ
21:35 <DrJoeTron> yeah only you did that happen to
21:36 <guru3> :>
21:36 <DrJoeTron> yay!
21:36 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
21:36 <luke-jr_work> guru3: now we can't +m either
21:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [-c] by guru3
21:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+c] by ChanServ
21:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by guru3
21:36 <@guru3> nope, that still works
21:36 <@guru3> :>
21:36 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by guru3
21:36 <luke-jr_work> weird
21:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
21:37 <+wrtlprnft> too late, lol
21:37 <+wrtlprnft> #f
21:37 <@guru3> because that's not a mode ive locked
21:37 <luke-jr_work> how about topic?
21:37 <armabot> Random Fortune: QFM: || Quelle fashion mistake. "It was really QFM. I mean painter || pants? That's 1979 beyond belief." || -- Douglas Coupland, "Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated || Culture"
21:37 <luke-jr_work> hrm, I think I'll miss colours on armabot
21:37 <luke-jr_work> does +c allow exceptions?
21:37 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: lol
21:37 <luke-jr_work> you ruined it!
21:37 <+wrtlprnft> the colors in CIA messages are nice, too :(
21:37 <@guru3> darn
21:37 <@guru3> turned the topic lock on too
21:37 <@guru3> but of course
21:37 <@guru3> i have the damn priveleges
21:37 <@guru3> ><
21:38 <DrJoeTron> spidey ping me
21:38 <+wrtlprnft> i think there's ways to deal with the occasional jerks other than always disabling colors
21:38 <+spidey> DrJoeTron, ping
21:38 <@guru3> anyone remember the topic?
21:38 <DrJoeTron> cool thats still there
21:38 <DrJoeTron> thanks
21:38 <+wrtlprnft> like, just disable them if jerks are around
21:38 <+wrtlprnft> guru3: http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
21:38 <+wrtlprnft> guru3: the very bottom
21:38 <+spidey> DrJoeTron, channel modes have no affect on client side colors :p
21:38 <luke-jr_work> yeah
21:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
21:39 -!- Van-hayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034154022.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:39 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2.1 has been released! | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Playing with the topic eh? Whoops!
21:39 <luke-jr_work> 0.2.8.2.1 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net | Nothing sucks like a raging headache.
21:39 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2.1.2.8.0.2.4.6.1 has been released! | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Anyone else think we have too many version #s?
21:39 <luke-jr_work> Konversation keeps a topic history
21:39 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
21:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
21:39 <wrtlprnft> these would show it, too
21:40 <@guru3> or i could check my own logs
21:40 <@guru3> from which those stupid stats are generated
21:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
21:41 <+spidey> spidey is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 105 times.
21:41 <+spidey> :D
21:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
21:41 -!- luke-jr_work changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2.1.2.8.0.2.4.6.1 has been released! | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Anyone else think we have too many version #s? | http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
21:41  * guru3 slaps spidey to help make up the difference
21:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr_work] by luke-jr_work
21:41 <luke-jr_work> lol
21:41 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
21:41 <+spidey> lol
21:41 <DrJoeTron> guru3 did you have finals yet?
21:42 <guru3> no
21:42 <guru3> after christmas
21:42 <DrJoeTron> ah
21:42 <DrJoeTron> mine are supposed to start next week
21:42 <wrtlprnft> must be a fun christmas.
21:42 <DrJoeTron> but ive gotten most of them this week
21:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah really
21:42 <guru3> not the same for sping semester finals
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21:42  * wrtlprnft has tons of once-per-semester tests now, too
21:46 <DrJoeTron> alright
21:46 <DrJoeTron> bbl
21:46 <+spidey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=13%2D135%2D025%2D02%2Ejpg%2C13%2D135%2D025%2D03%2Ejpg%2C13%2D135%2D025%2D04%2Ejpg%2C13%2D135%2D025%2D05%2Ejpg%2C13%2D135%2D025%2D06%2Ejpg&CurImage=13%2D135%2D025%2D02%2Ejpg&Type=RECERTIFIED&Description=Recertified%3A+ECS+PT800CE%2DA+%281%2E0%29+Socket+478+VIA+PT800CE+ATX+Intel+Motherboard+%2D+Retail
21:46 <DrJoeTron> thanks guru3
21:46 <+spidey> i'm getting that
21:46 <DrJoeTron> get something from asus
21:46 <+spidey> just cause it's only $24 and if it's shit it'll only be a waste of $24
21:47 <DrJoeTron> you've gotta give me more than this
21:47 <+spidey> ?
21:47 <DrJoeTron> all you're doing is showing me chips
21:47 <DrJoeTron> and i eat chips
21:47 <DrJoeTron> stats?
21:47 <+spidey> ....
21:48 <+spidey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010200280+4093&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=280
21:48 <+spidey> second one
21:48 <DrJoeTron> the lobster cage cpu is a doritio
21:48 <+spidey> if i do get that i'll get a 2.8ghz p4
21:48 <luke-jr_work> guru3:
21:48 <+spidey> i'ma go play americas army with my 8fps
21:48 <+spidey> so bbl
21:49 <DrJoeTron> it says its out of stock
21:49 <+spidey> ?
21:49 <+spidey> gay
21:49 <guru3> luke-jr_work: ?
21:49 <DrJoeTron> bbl
21:49 <luke-jr_work> guru3: you got any hardware background?
21:49 <DrJoeTron> have for play americas smarmy
21:49 <guru3> depends
21:50 <luke-jr_work> guru3: I have a project for designing a handheld computer
21:51 <luke-jr_work> members might get a free EFIKA
21:51 <guru3> not that into hardware
21:51 <luke-jr_work> heh
21:53 <guru3> im no electrical engineer
21:53 <guru3> just sorta tinker every now and then
21:53 <luke-jr_work> me too :p
21:53 <guru3> ><
21:53 <luke-jr_work> heh
21:54 <wrtlprnft> btw, i can confirm that i think we have too many version #s
21:55 <luke-jr_work> yeah
21:55 <luke-jr_work> so release 0.2.8.3 already
21:55 <luke-jr_work> wait
21:55 <luke-jr_work> I need to enable RESPAWN_HACK first
21:55 <luke-jr_work> :po
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21:55  * luke-jr_work forgot to do that
21:55 <wrtlprnft> it's a HACK, as the name suggests
21:55 <Durka> respawn_hack ?
21:55 <luke-jr_work> Durka: deathmatch mode
21:56 <Durka> ooooo_OOOOOOOO
21:56 <wrtlprnft> the official serverside code can wait for 0.3.1/scripting
21:56 <Durka> thats what i figured
21:56 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: same applies to zones
21:56 <wrtlprnft> the important thing is that the clients already support it
21:56 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: zones do have an extensible infrastructure with derivation
21:56 <luke-jr_work> but yes, I agree that deathmatch should be a script
21:57 <luke-jr_work> the 0.2.8 zones are a hack, just as RESPAWN_HACK is
21:57 <wrtlprnft> the respawning doesn't even make sure that you don't spawn in a closed off area
21:57 <luke-jr_work> so?
21:57 <luke-jr_work> it has no adverse effect when disabled
21:57 <luke-jr_work> there's no harm including it
21:57 <wrtlprnft> there is
21:57 <wrtlprnft> it introduces settings we might be forced to carry around
21:58 <wrtlprnft> even if they totally suck in the new implementation
21:58 <luke-jr_work> that applies to all settings right now
21:58 <wrtlprnft> more to the respawn related ones
21:58 <luke-jr_work> nope
21:58 <luke-jr_work> all settings need to be changed for DCT
21:59 <wrtlprnft> screw DCT
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21:59 <luke-jr_work> respawn ones will just be a few more backward compat entries in a table
21:59 <wrtlprnft> lol Seyahnav
21:59 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:59 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: the respawn ones might have no equivalent with the new code!
21:59 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: neither will some of our current ones
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22:00 <luke-jr_work> eg, the ones relating to WINZONE will need a script to use
22:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but there's no point in ADDING new ones that will be removed in the next release
22:00 <wrtlprnft> the winzone ones have been around for ages
22:00 <luke-jr_work> irrelevant
22:01 <luke-jr_work> document their planned removal if you must, but I expect compatibility to be easy
22:01 <luke-jr_work> z-man-work: ping
22:01 <wrtlprnft> just keep the RESPAWN_HACK unsupported
22:01 <wrtlprnft> most people running a server will be able to compile it anyways
22:01 <luke-jr_work> so document it as unsupported
22:02 <luke-jr_work> the only purpose of a release is for binaries
22:02 <wrtlprnft> and then you can tell them how to enable it, and at the same time tell them they shouldn't expect forward compatibility
22:02 <luke-jr_work> it's disabled by default, even when compiled in
22:02 <wrtlprnft> it's enablable without searching for it and seeing that it's unsupported
22:03 <luke-jr_work> nope, they need to get the config info from somewhere
22:03 <luke-jr_work> and that somewhere can document its status
22:03 <wrtlprnft> ^RESPAWN<return>
22:03 <luke-jr_work> so add it to docs
22:03 <wrtlprnft> that might not be read
22:03 <luke-jr_work> it's displayed when you search for it
22:03 <wrtlprnft> or it'll be a long blurb that's irrelevant in that place
22:05 <luke-jr_work> um
22:05 <luke-jr_work> RESPAWN doesn't even appear in the config items :p
22:07 <Durka> hey i have question
22:08 <Durka> can i plot different deathzones
22:08 <Durka> but have them appear at a certain time
22:08 <wrtlprnft> not w/o hacking arma
22:09 <wrtlprnft> you can only have zones that appear at round start, and the deathzone that appears after some time
22:10 <Durka> i know u can plot zones on a map
22:10 <Durka> <zone effect="whatever">
22:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:11 <Durka> can u add like <zone effect="whatever" round_time="blah">
22:11 <Durka> so u can make them appear
22:11 <wrtlprnft> not w/o hacking arma
22:11 <luke-jr_work> Durka: in 0.3.1 you might be able to use a script
22:11  * Durka pokes groundpig
22:12 <wrtlprnft> Durka: the hard thing isn't to make them appear, that's a 5-minute hack
22:12 <wrtlprnft> the hard thing is how to make it configurable without bloating everything
22:12 <Durka> the hard thing is...
22:12 <Durka> ooooooooo
22:12 <Durka> why is spidey op?
22:12 <luke-jr_work> he's not
22:12 <wrtlprnft> he's voiced
22:12 <luke-jr_work> because he's loud
22:12 <luke-jr_work> :p
22:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v spidey] by ChanServ
22:13 <luke-jr_work> lol
22:14 <GodTodd> so...durka finally figured out my secret identity...
22:14 <GodTodd> hrmmm
22:16  * wrtlprnft wonders what would happen if he did /op *
22:16 <wrtlprnft> the channel would probably end up empty in no time
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22:19 <GodTodd> wrtlprnft: you think so? ;)
22:21 <wrtlprnft> depend on who's there at the moment, probably
22:22 <GodTodd> i can pretty well assure you that luke would be here a total of about 2 seconds heh
22:24 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:24 <wrtlprnft> unless he kicks everyone first
22:25 <wrtlprnft> sort of like #roulette
22:25 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:25 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:25 <GodTodd> true...but it's like a mexican standoff....you gotta like the odds of the many against the one, even if there is collateral damage
22:27  * GodTodd is wondering where joe found that quote he referred to.....the shit, fuck, satan, sex, drugs, rape one....
22:28 <GodTodd> wasn't aware i had put that anywhere heh
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen tf|lu
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
22:29 <armabot> pong
22:30 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: timed out
22:30 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron sux
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22:32 <GodTodd> spidey sux
22:34 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o spidey] by ChanServ
22:35 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o spidey] by ChanServ
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22:39  * Durka is back
22:40 <Durka> aka bad news
22:40 <Durka> roflmao
22:40 <Durka> 0.2.8.2.1.2.8.0.2.4.6.1
22:41 <Durka> #quote *** Topic is 0.2.8.2.1.2.8.0.2.4.6.1 has been released! | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Anyone else think we have too many version #s? | http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
22:43  * Durka :(
22:47 <luke-jr_work> should I make an ebuild for that ver? :p
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22:57 <Your_mom_arma> hey ghab
22:57 <ghableska> hi mom
22:58 <ghableska> #armaservers
22:58 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:58 <Durka> hi ghab
22:58 <ghableska> hi Durka
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23:28 <ghableska> is anyone having problems connecting to the master server?
23:29 <[dlh]> all of them?
23:30 <ghableska> well, it attempts to connect to Master 1 and then it freezes
23:38 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:38 <luke-jr_work> give it time
23:38 <luke-jr_work> :p
23:38 <ghableska> ok..
23:38 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 17.6°F (3:54 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Windchill: 6.8°F. Pressure: 30.74 in 1041 hPa.
23:41 <spidey> ...
23:41 <ghableska> ...
23:41 <spidey> synnc error?
23:42 <spidey> one version i had installed everytime i connected to the master server it took ages, then when i tried to connect to a server it stopped at the suncing part and everything locked up
23:42 <ghableska> lol
23:42 <ghableska> .3?
23:43 <spidey> now the 2.8.2.1 version i have when i exit tron i get 3 monitor views in 1 monitor
23:43 <ghableska> I know how to fix that.
23:43 <spidey> ?
23:43 <ghableska> buy two more monitors :)
23:43 <spidey> haha
23:44 <spidey> i'ma go get supper ... meat loaf, baked potatoes, and something else i forgot :D
23:45 <luke-jr_work> spidey: there is no 2.8.2.1
23:49 <spidey> ..
23:50 <Vanhayes> .2.8.2.1
23:50 <spidey> ...
23:50 <spidey> 0.2.8.2.1
23:50 <spidey> wtf's the difference
23:51 <Vanhayes> there is no difference between 0.2.8.2.1 and .2.8.2.1 but there is a difference between those and 2.8.2.1
23:52 <Vanhayes> see I know what you meant and wouldnt have said anything, but luke-jr_work  being luke-jr_work had to correct you even tho we all knew what you meant
23:53 <spidey> Send this request in on the day you'd like to cancel. Also we value our customers so please let us know if there's anything we can do to retain your business or to improve our services.
23:53 <spidey> Thanks,
23:53 <spidey> Jim
23:53 <spidey> i should respond
23:53 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:53 <spidey> "don't put support tickets on hold for a fucking weak, i opened them because i ~needed~ something"
23:53 <luke-jr_work> LOL
23:54 <luke-jr_work> what company is this?
23:54 <spidey> vpsland.com
23:54 <spidey> i've been asking to have my password reset to the win2k3 vps for over a weak
23:54 <spidey> because i suddenly couldn't login
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23:56 <luke-jr_work> spidey: PM
23:56 <spidey> you know what
23:56 <spidey> i just sent 10 lines for nothing
23:56 <spidey> forgot to identify
23:56 <luke-jr_work> ...
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Log from 2006-12-08:
--- Day changed Fri Dec 08 2006
00:01 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Fog patches. Wind south 20 km/h except 40 along the fundy coast early this evening. Wind becoming light this evening. Low minus 1.; Friday - Rain showers or flurries (1 more message)
00:01 <Vanhayes> #more
00:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: changing to periods of snow in the morning. Rainfall amount 2 mm. Snowfall amount 5 cm. Wind becoming north 40 km/h gusting to 60 late in the morning. High zero with temperature falling to minus 4 in the afternoon. Friday night..clearing early in the evening. Wind north 40 km/h gusting to 60 becoming light overnight. Low minus 10.; Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud. High zero.;
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00:55 <DrJoeTron> yo
00:55 <pilot> back
00:55 <DrJoeTron> go back
00:55 <pilot> ?
00:55 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:56 <spidey> ..
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01:02 <DrJoeTron> we need to block that thing :p
01:05 <spidey> #g 20*6
01:05 <armabot> spidey: 20 * 6 = 120
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02:21 <GodTodd> blergle
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> blarg
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02:35 <GodTodd> flargle blargle boo popper
02:38 <ghableska> *yawn*
02:38 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 14.0°F (6:54 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Pressure: 30.70 in 1040 hPa.
02:38 <Compn> #serverinfo wild west fort
02:38 <armabot> Compn: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “wild west fort” at the moment, sorry.
02:38 <Compn> #serverinfo fortress
02:38 <armabot> Compn: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (6/14): CrAzZy, Reeli, SHACE, \\Nervous//, ~}XD{~Zero, ÷swaziland
02:38 <Compn> doh
02:42 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
02:42 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 32.2°F (7:42 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 1.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.72 in 1040.2 hPa.
02:43 <Compn> #weather 48152
02:43 <armabot> Compn: The current temperature in 8 Mile and Middlebelt, Farmington Hills, Michigan is 20.7°F (8:38 PM EST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa.
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03:31 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:31 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 10.4°F (7:54 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Windchill: 3.2°F. Pressure: 30.71 in 1040 hPa.
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03:59 <spidey> #cnn 38256
03:59 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 20.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Wind: NNW at 17 mph (27 km/h).
04:17 <ghableska> spidey, spidey
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04:30 <DrJoeTron>  /back
04:30 <ghableska> wb
04:30 <DrJoeTron> yo
04:31 <GodTodd> goddamn it joe
04:31 <DrJoeTron> :( baby i can change
04:31 <GodTodd> bullshit...you always say that and then it's the same old shit
04:32 <DrJoeTron> i didnt know it was your daughter
04:32 <DrJoeTron> i swear
04:33 <GodTodd> heh
04:41 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
04:41 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Southall Subdivision, Raleigh, North Carolina is 34.3°F (10:41 PM EST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa.
04:42 <DrJoeTron> i'll see yoour 34.3 F and raise you with a
04:42 <DrJoeTron> #cnn 60056
04:42 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Mount Prospect, IL is 13.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Wind: WNW at 11 mph (18 km/h).
04:42 <mkzelda> :D
04:42 <mkzelda> its supposed to be 20 tonight
04:42 <DrJoeTron> its fucking cold out
04:42 <mkzelda> its been 78 this week
04:42 <mkzelda> so, our 34 feels pretty shitty atm
04:42 <DrJoeTron> sounds rough :(
04:43 <mkzelda> and its so damn windy my car was flying all over the road
04:43 <mkzelda> it was like drunk driving
04:43 <mkzelda> so i hear
04:43 <mkzelda> :D
04:43 <ghableska> #weather 50265
04:43 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 10.4°F (8:54 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -0.4°F. Windchill: -2.2°F. Pressure: 30.68 in 1039 hPa.
04:43 <ghableska> >_>
04:43 <mkzelda> yipes
04:44 <mkzelda> last night i was watching tv and the news had their stupid commercial blurb
04:44 <ghableska> #weather Ulaanbataar
04:44 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Ulaanbataar".
04:44 <ghableska> GodTodd: ;)
04:44 <mkzelda> "An arctic blast, coming our way, tonight at eleven"
04:44 <ghableska> grr
04:44 <mkzelda> i saw that at 10:45
04:44 <ghableska> I can never get that right
04:44 <ghableska> #weather Ulaanbaatar
04:44 <mkzelda> i thought, "only 15 mins till this arctic blast"
04:44 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia is 10.4°F (11:30 AM ULAT on December 08, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa.
04:45 <mkzelda> i hate the news
04:45 <mkzelda> i'd rather listen to fran drescher
04:46 <mkzelda> they make dumb mistakes like that every night in almost every story
04:46 <ghableska> "high nasal tone" lol
04:46 <mkzelda> How the hell they know the arctic blast is coming precisely at 11?
04:46 <mkzelda> :D
04:46 <mkzelda> and it wasnt even a complete sentence, there was no verb in the sentence
04:46 <ghableska> they're weather(wo)men- they know everything
04:47 <mkzelda> they sputter fragments
04:48 <ghableska> :P
04:48 <mkzelda> The world ending at 7:00 tonight, details at eleven.
04:48 <mkzelda> up next, why you could be paying more at the pump
04:48 <mkzelda> cause the price went up?
04:49 <ghableska> maybe...
04:49 <mkzelda> i dont really have very much hate
04:49 <mkzelda> i reserve that word for choice occasions
04:49 <mkzelda> the news is one of them
04:49 <DrJoeTron> if you say hate alot
04:49 <DrJoeTron> you destroy the sinisterness of it
04:49 <mkzelda> yea
04:49 <mkzelda> any word or value for that matter
04:50 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:50 <DrJoeTron> like antiquing
04:50 <mkzelda> like the south park episode where they said 'shit' 230ish times
04:50 <DrJoeTron> or shit
04:50 <DrJoeTron> daddy taught me how to swear :D
04:51 <mkzelda> im using my fireplace for the first time
04:51 <mkzelda> not b/c i needed to, but b/c i could
04:51 <mkzelda> cause fire is teh winz!
04:52 <mkzelda> i wanted to try it out b4 all my family got here for christmas
04:53 <GodTodd> family sux
04:59 <mkzelda> jesus was born so i get lots of presents, thank you jesus for being born
05:02 <mkzelda> man extreme home makeover came here and shut down parts of town
05:02 <mkzelda> and everyone around here acted like idiots b/c tv crews were around
05:03 <mkzelda> i wish i had something wrong w/ me so i could get a dope million dollar mansion w/ 18 plasma tv's
05:04 <mkzelda> i hate that show too, the cast always acts so high and mighty for helping people when its their job and they get paid (VERY WELL) to do so, and everything is funded/donated by companies who in turn get tons of free advertising and make all the money back b/c its all tax write-offs
05:05 <mkzelda> and instead of spending millions on one family they could have helped many families w/ less
05:07 <GodTodd> i wouldn't be able to afford the property taxes on the bigass house they'd build
05:13 <mkzelda> i checked it out today, it looks ridiculous
05:13 <mkzelda> cause its  so much larger and nicer than any other house nearby
05:13 <mkzelda> also, the recpient is blind
05:14 <mkzelda> so... they could have just neglected the aesthetics
05:14 <ghableska> haha
05:14 <mkzelda> no paint
05:14 <GodTodd> heh
05:15 <mkzelda> they made it this stone/cobblestone exterior
05:15 <mkzelda> no houses look like that here
05:15 <GodTodd> so...how'd that reveal segment go?  "How do you like it?" "How the fuck would I know, I'm blind you bastard!"
05:15 <mkzelda> haha
05:16 <mkzelda> its yet to air on tv but i saw the news clip and she started dancing
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
05:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 41.4°F (10:15 PM CST on December 07, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 15.8°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034.1 hPa.
05:16 <mkzelda> they said "legally blind"
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, DareDevil is legally blind
05:16 <mkzelda> but it seemed that person could see alright
05:16 <mkzelda> they moved the bus and she responded
05:17 <mkzelda> cause otherwise i'd think she'd keep standing there and say 'did they move hte bus yet?'
05:17 <GodTodd> hmmm
05:17 <GodTodd> doesn't sound too fucking blind to me
05:17 <GodTodd> she's in it for the house
05:17 <GodTodd> bitch
05:17 <mkzelda> do i start dancing now?
05:17 <mkzelda> OMG it smells beautiful
05:17 <GodTodd> maybe that's it...they jabbed her to get her dancing
05:18 <mkzelda> actually during the summer i work in that area, its the bad side of town and they run after school programs for kids to keep them off the streets and out of trouble
05:19 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6213012.stm
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> you guys talking about some dumb reality tv show?
05:19 <ghableska> hahahahahaha
05:19 <mkzelda> wow
05:19 <mkzelda> We had cops kill a kid here cause he stole a PS3
05:19 <ghableska> O_O
05:19 <GodTodd> yeah...mkzelda watches extreme makeover home edition
05:19 <ghableska> how old was he?
05:20 <mkzelda> 19ish
05:20 <mkzelda> college student at UNC-Wilmington
05:20 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma: i hate that show, and now it came to my town and shut down streets i drive regularly
05:20 <mkzelda> and made people act like idiots b/c its tv
05:21 <GodTodd> i've found people tend to act like idiots anyway
05:21 <mkzelda> ya but put them in numbers and in front of a camera
05:21 <GodTodd> true
05:22 <mkzelda> u never know what you'll get
05:23 <GodTodd> hence the popularity of crappy reality tv
05:24 <mkzelda> if its not one stupid trend its another
05:24 <GodTodd> this reality trend has overstayed its welcome tho
05:24 <mkzelda> looks like game shows are on their way back
05:24 <luke-jr> TV sucks
05:25 <GodTodd> game shows never left
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> make no mistake about it, every reality TV show I've seen was a "game show"
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> you all saw Time Bandits, right?
05:25 <GodTodd> yep
05:25 <GodTodd> have it on dvd :)
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I want to hire Terry Gilliam to be my personal prophet
05:25 <mkzelda> no
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, was he right, or was he right with that movie?  :)
05:25 <GodTodd> heh
05:26 <mkzelda> oh does it have that old bat from who's the boss
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> "and now, would you like to save your wife and win no prizes, or would you like to answer this question, and if you get it wrong, she dies!"
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> (or something like that)
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of.  It's a british movie
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> bunch of midgets, a kid, and a big talking head that says "Return the map!"
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> and the Devil, of course.
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> John Cleese plays the Supreme Being
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> the group of midgets was in a chevy chase movie, and some of them appeared in Willow (although Willow himself was not in Time Bandits)
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> there's two cameos from ummm, Indy's dad
05:28  * Lucifer_arma kicks himself for not remembering Sean Connery
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> Sean Connery plays Agamemnon :)
05:28 <mkzelda> ya thats it
05:28 <mkzelda> i have seen pieces
05:28 <mkzelda> it does that woman from who's the boss
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> ah yeah, she plays the troll's wife
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> in the ship, in the time of legends
05:28 <mkzelda> thats why i didnt watch all of it
05:29 <Compn> sean connery was great in zardoz :d
05:29 <Compn> ZARDOZ MAN!
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't even talk in zardoz!
05:29 <Compn> yes he did, not much
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> just looked around and showed us his hairy nut sack
05:29 <Compn> lol
05:29 <mkzelda> thats why Compn liked it
05:29 <Compn> i didnt need to see his junk....
05:29 <Compn> that was way too far
05:30 <mkzelda> haha
05:30 <Compn> should be laws against that
05:30 <Compn> sean connery is banned from being naked forever
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> "If I made the universe, I would have started with lasers on day one!"
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, don't worry about that old chick being in it.  First, she's good in it, and second, she's only there for like 5 minutes
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> the movie rocks
05:31 <Compn> so what movie you guys talking about?
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> they mug Napolean, sink on the Titanic, etc
05:31 <Compn> time bandits
05:31 <Compn> ack
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> Time Bandits
05:31 <Compn> who directed that?
05:31 <Compn> gilliam?
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> it was his first non-python show, iirc
05:31 <Compn> i cant believe i waited so long to watch 'brazil'
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> maybe just his first as director
05:32 <Compn> brazil was insane
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen Brazil.  :)
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I saw Twelve Monkeys
05:32 <Compn> i love twelve monkeys
05:32 <Compn> but it blows twelve monkeys away... thats how good it is
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have to catch it.  It's already on my list to watch every movie Terry Gilliam ever made
05:33 <Compn> i heard bruiser sucks tho
05:33 <Compn> errr
05:33 <Compn> wrong director
05:33 <Compn> nm
05:33 <Compn> :D
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> come on man, from animating monty python to Time Bandits and Twelve MOnkeys, I'll bet his shitty movies are better than most directors' lifetime best!
05:33 <Compn> bruiser was george ramero
05:34 <Compn> dunno how i got them confused
05:34 <Compn> lost in lamancha (that docu about gilliam's don quixote movie) was painful to watch :D
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I thought he didn't make his don quixote movie because nobody would fund it?
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> they should have gotten him to direct Hitchhiker's Guide...
05:35 <Compn> he got some work started on it, some filming, but it broke down
05:35 <Compn> i saw the mini-series of hitchhikers, and the new movie missed some good jokes ;\
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen the new movie yet, nobody's given it to me, and I won't give the MPAA any of *my* money
05:36 <Compn> i downloaded a cam a while back i think
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> like I said, I won't give the MPAA any of *my* money
05:36 <Compn> i cant wait for idiocracy
05:36 <Compn> :)
05:36 <Compn> FOX BURN IN HELL!
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> we already have idiocracy in the US
05:37 <Compn> for burying idiocracy
05:37 <Compn> huh?
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sorry, I know bush keeps calling it "democracy"
05:37 <Compn> ah
05:37 <Compn> i meant new mike judge movie
05:37 <Compn> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
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05:50 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma always lets us know what he/she's doing: 2447 actions!
05:50 <mkzelda> For example, like this:
05:50 <mkzelda>      * Lucifer_arma farted
05:51 <mkzelda> hehe
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06:10 <Durka> #lastseen whatup
06:11 <Durka> :[
06:12 <armabot> Durka: timed out
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06:13 <luke-jr> haha
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06:16 <GodTodd> luke-jr: find yourself amusing?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, I guess we can't cry for the indians anymore
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> they're stinking rich!
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> (the Seminole tribe in Florida just bought the Hard Rock Cafe chain)
06:25 <GodTodd> is that so that they could get cheap drinks?
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Game_Variations&curid=1432&diff=16630&oldid=16571
06:27 <mkzelda> I wonder if you need reservations
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> what they didn't realize when they bought it was that the white men they bought it from are just going to take it back
06:28 <mkzelda> they should open a clone of it and call it Manifest Destiny
06:28 <mkzelda> hrm, i cant join WW sumo, i get 404 errors dling the map yet i see 8 ppl playing it
06:34 <Compn> #serverinfo sum
06:34 <armabot> Compn: Wild West - Sumo: Players (2/10): Egg, Super Duck?
06:34 <Compn> works for me
06:34 <Compn> #serverinfo sum
06:34 <armabot> Compn: Wild West - Sumo: Players (2/10): Egg, Super Duck?
06:35 <mkzelda> :/
06:35 <mkzelda> i think my last cvs update broke some stuff, i have that prob and i also can only get 320x240 or 2560x1024 in Fullscreen
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> Rocket Brigade, that's what the unit should be called
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> have you updated your driver and/or sdl recently?
06:37 <mkzelda> neither of those, but i have updated other things, that could be the source, or i could just need to rm my .cfg
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, arma does query via sdl for available resolutions
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> it could be querying wrong, but I thought I'd ask in case there might be an indication of something else
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: spidey (hi there!) I figured out why scorched3d didn't work for me, and I fixed it :)
06:43 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: it broke spidey's sound
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> scorched3d?
06:43 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma: flea said he had same prob, removing cfg fixed
06:43 <luke-jr> yeah
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: that indicates a problem in arma.  :)  File a bug report?  If it's not there already?
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: sure it's not PEBKAC?
06:45 <luke-jr> nope, could be
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose they could have replaced some system library or other, but it's kind of unlikely...
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> worst thing they might have done is change some registry key or something, in which case simply reinstalling the driver should fix it
06:46 <luke-jr> BTW, did I mention it'd be nice if Arma didn't block on audio things?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my problem was Xgl.  Apparently there are font problems in Xgl, and one of the fixes is to run xorg instead
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> BTW, did I mention that I'll deal with when I can, and mentioning it again and again isn't going to change that?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you want it done faster, do it yourself
06:47 <mkzelda> as long as you start your sound first you can play both :D
06:47 <luke-jr> Xgl is obsolete
06:48 <luke-jr> mkzelda: no, arma freezes when you exit a round if it's blocked
06:50 <mkzelda> not for me
06:50 <mkzelda> im doing that right now, have always done that
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> have I mentioned that I was right and y'all were right, that what we call an expression in vValue is by definition still a function?
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> but that it can take multiple parameters.  :)  (calc 3 is the beginning study of functions that take multiple parameters)
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> so now I'd like vValue to support vector functios
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> *functions
06:51 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: sure
06:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you can do the hard part
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, it's still a function because it has to return one and only one value for the parameters given
06:52 <luke-jr> make a vValue that turns Movement-derivative into Movement or vice versa
06:52 <luke-jr> it can return an array
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> that's called "scope creep", I suspect
06:53 <luke-jr> hm?
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> if it returns an array, how is the calling code that expects a number supposed to know what to do with it?
06:53 <luke-jr> would it be easier to go directly from Speed/Acceleration to Position?
06:54 <luke-jr> it's not
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, because the direction might change.  All position gives you is the distance traveled, it says nothing of the direction
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need more specific examples, actually
06:54 <luke-jr> no, Speed/Accel would be coordinate sets
06:54 <luke-jr> I think
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> why?  they're not coordinates...
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what would the coordinates mean?
06:55 <luke-jr> for speed, change in (x,y) per t
06:55 <luke-jr> for accel, change in speed in (x,y) per t
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> so the position function is f(x,y) then?
06:56  * Lucifer_arma notes that f(x,y) is a surface, not a path
06:56 <luke-jr> Position would only get 't' and return (x,y) position
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> what type is t?
06:57 <luke-jr> coordinate
06:57 <luke-jr> oh
06:57 <luke-jr> t
06:57 <luke-jr> t is some time representation
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> so float/int/real?
06:57 <luke-jr> floating point probably
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> then Position should return distance traveled in that time
06:57 <luke-jr> no, Position would be the location of the object at that time
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> to get an actual position, you need a vector function
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> then you pass it t and get a vector, the new position of the object is on the tip of the vector
06:58 <luke-jr> wtf is a vector
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> you've never studied vectors?!?
06:59 <luke-jr> lol
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> something like 5i + 6j ?
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> or <5,6>
06:59 <GodTodd> no...study is a dirty word
06:59 <luke-jr> might've
06:59 <luke-jr> if I did, I don't remember it right now
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> how about "5 m/sec at 45 degrees"?
06:59 <luke-jr> oh
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> vector is magnitude and direction
06:59 <luke-jr> ok
06:59 <luke-jr> that'd be Speed
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> the position function you're talking about is only magnitude, so it's derivatives can also only be magnitude
06:59 <luke-jr> not Position
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> position would be distance, which is a magnitude
07:00 <luke-jr> Position would be the exact coordinate
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> actual position requires the function return something with a physical position
07:00 <luke-jr> not a derivative at all
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> you've done parametric equations?
07:00 <luke-jr> dunno
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> where the point (x,y) is determined by one equation for x, and another one for y?
07:01 <luke-jr> maybe
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> so x = x(t) and y = y(t)
07:01 <luke-jr> it's been over a year since college... :p
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> a point is then ( x(t), y(t) )
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07:01 <GodTodd> ahhh...but college only taught you things you already knew
07:01 <Durka> #lastseen qain
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> t is usually time, same time you give to the distance function, but what you get out is a set of points that represent a path traveled
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> if you graph it, you'll see an actual path
07:02 <Durka> #lastseen olato
07:02 <luke-jr> GodTodd: as far as computers, which was the purpose
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> changing it to a vector is really just a notation technicality
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz computers don't require math
07:02 <luke-jr> GodTodd: only very specialized things do
07:03 <armabot> Durka: timed out
07:03 <luke-jr> well, this kind of math anyhow
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, a lot of OpenGL that previously didn't make sense started making a lot more sense this semester
07:03 <GodTodd> such as...hmm...programming
07:03 <luke-jr> Durka: timed out
07:03 <luke-jr> GodTodd: nope
07:03 <luke-jr> programming is language, not math
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm now going to recommend everyone wanting to do OPenGL programming take a multivariable calculus class
07:03 <luke-jr> other side of the brain
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> programming is math :)
07:03 <GodTodd> ummm so you guys aren't talking about programming right now?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's the derivative of gets() ?
07:03 <luke-jr> GodTodd: no
07:03 <Durka> #lastseen rain
07:03 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:04 <luke-jr> we're talking about equations for game physics
07:04 <armabot> Durka: timed out
07:04 <GodTodd> okie dokie
07:04 <Durka> #lastseen plato
07:04 <armabot> Durka: Rainer Lempert has last been seen on  -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server 0 days 7 hours 19 minutes ago.
07:04 <luke-jr> Durka: stfu
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> gets` = getc()
07:04 <GodTodd> which won't be programmed i suppose
07:04 <luke-jr> GodTodd: it already is, we're trying to make it a configuration option :p
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> look, if vValue can store a 3d vector, and have an expression parser, maybe it can store a vector function too
07:04 <GodTodd> by not programming the option in?
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> were you planning on including 3d vectors into vValue?
07:05 <armabot> Durka: timed out
07:05 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: as soon as eCoord can handle 3D
07:05 <luke-jr> IIRC, I have a branch with that
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> make vValue support 3d vectors and eCoord is obsolete :)
07:05 <luke-jr> eCoord will be the class used to store/return vectors :p
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07:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, whatever.  It would be nice to define acceleration due to gravity as -r^2 instead of -8.9
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> (where r is distance from the center of the earth)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
07:07  * Lucifer_arma goes to grab a smoke
07:07 <luke-jr> Arma isn't played on Earth :p
07:08 <GodTodd> luke is right...i have to learn...if luke says it, it is true
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> it would be more accurate, I think, to view programming as being derived from math, and heavily dependent on it
07:12 <GodTodd> as i do
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's hard to look at a system that uses algebraic syntax at its core and say its not math, otoh, it does use the language part of your brain
07:12 <GodTodd> but that is wrong
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> that's why many mathematicians can't program, and many linguists can't program
07:13 <GodTodd> math and programming are separate things
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> to be a programmer you have to have some mathematical ability and some liguistical ability
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> but as luke-jr (hi there!) has demonstrated so well, you don't have to have common sense
07:14 <GodTodd> i was just mainly making the point that he was using the excuse that he hadn't had college math in a while as an excuse after saying college is a complete waste of time because they were teaching him stuff he already knew
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he doesn't want to admit he didn't study as much calculus as he lets on?
07:15 <GodTodd> he doesn't want to admit he couldn't hack a well rounded education imo
07:15 <mkzelda> he studied ellipses
07:16 <GodTodd> much like a child who gives up on something out of frustration says "well, it's stupid anyway...who'd want to do that?"
07:17  * GodTodd gets peeved when anyone says education is a waste of time.
07:17 <GodTodd> heh
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> education is a waste of time
07:17  * Lucifer_arma dodges
07:17 <GodTodd> sumbitch
07:17 <GodTodd> ;)
07:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: syntax is language, not math
07:18 <GodTodd> did you read anything he said?
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> a = b + c is math
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> a = b + c; is c code
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> what's the difference?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> a = sin(b) is math
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> a = sin(b); is c code
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> what's a c function?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> how is it different than f(x) = x^2 + 1 ?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> besides syntax, it's not.  It's the same concept
07:20  * Lucifer_arma struggled with C when he was 15, then studied functions in his algebra class and suddenly C made sense.  Coincidence?
07:21  * Lucifer_arma notes that many CS degrees only require single variable integral and differential calculus, and applications of such (aka differential equations).
07:21 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I'd argue that calculus should come before algebra, BTW
07:21 <luke-jr> it's easier
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> throw in a token 3 hour science class as part of your core and you wind up with a CS degree that doesn't understand vectors
07:21 <luke-jr> algebra is what gets me
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, that would be like studying sex before puberty
07:22 <luke-jr> "a = b + c" is a mathematical expression, not math itself
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> it won't make any sense at all
07:22 <luke-jr> math would be the meaning of it
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> it means the same thing in math or C
07:22  * luke-jr was programming long before he "took" algebra, and algebra didn't make sense
07:23  * Lucifer_arma too, doesn't change the fact that many of the programming algorithms and constructs we use were dreamed up by 19th century mathematicians.
07:23 <luke-jr> nah, they were programmers-- just didn't know it at the time :p jk
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> now I just need to learn matrices (which I've managed to skip somehow), and OpenGL will finally make complete sense to me :)
07:24 <luke-jr> sure, you need to know higher maths like Calc to write a vehicle-based game like Arma, but not for programming in general
07:25 <luke-jr> obviously, you need to know basic math-- but you need that for anything
07:26 <luke-jr> note that the main stuff I've done w/ arma is unrelated to the game physics-- eg, no calculus involved
07:26 <luke-jr> just geometry and basic stuff
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> I would argue that you learn algebra when you start programming and you don't already know it
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I had a hard time with algebra even though I'd been programming for years was because the teacher was awfully lazy about the language
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> took it with a teacher who was damned anal about the language, problem went away
07:27 <luke-jr> I never figured out algebra, even eventually
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I won't say I'm good at it, I suspect a hint of dyslexia at work which is showing in my calculus too
07:27 <luke-jr> how the heck do you turn "4 = 3x * 2y" into x, y?
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> what's so hard to figure out?  It's just a bunch of little skills, there's nothing conceptually hard about it
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> if you have 2 variables, to solve you must have 2 equations
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> so the answer to your question is "you can't"
07:28 <luke-jr> well, maybe I just remember it wrong
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> you can solve for x or y, but you can't solve for values for x or y without knowing something else about both x and y
07:28 <luke-jr> well, for x or y then
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, solve for x
07:28 <luke-jr> that's probably a bad example tho
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> not really, divide by 6y
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> because 3x * 2y = 6xy
07:29 <luke-jr> (4 / 2y) / 3 = x
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> so you have 4 = 6xy
07:29 <luke-jr> ...
07:29 <luke-jr> hm
07:30 <luke-jr> shrug, maybe if I tried again it'd make sense now
07:30 <luke-jr> IIRC, the book I was using was known to be not that great too
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> probably if you just quit assuming you know everything you'd be amazed at how easy it is to learn new things
07:30 <luke-jr> I never claimed I knew algebra or calc :p
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> there are also many more bad algebra teachers than good
07:31 <luke-jr> I didn't get a teacher
07:31 <luke-jr> just myself and the book
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, so many algebra teachers try to dumb down the technical stuff, and the result only confuses people
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, if it were a regular textbook like I've used, then I can understand why you'd have trouble.   :)
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> Textbooks suck.  They're meant to be complimentary to a lecture, not to be used on their own.
07:32 <luke-jr> heh
07:32 <luke-jr> my dad was supposed to be the teacher
07:32 <luke-jr> IIRC, when it came to algebra, he just said he had no clue
07:32 <luke-jr> :p
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> how did you get through any calculus without algebra?
07:33 <luke-jr> it was easy?
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07:33 <luke-jr> O.O
07:33 <luke-jr> O.o*
07:33  * Lucifer_arma wonders if this is the part where we find out luke flunked out of calculus
07:33 <luke-jr> first time was a bad teacher :p
07:33 <luke-jr> second time, it was easy
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07:35 <luke-jr> grr
07:36 <luke-jr> just thinking about that first teacher annoys me
07:36 <luke-jr> he assigned a TON of homework
07:36 <GodTodd> aha...there's the crux....bad educational experiences == education is bad
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  the teacher I'm taking for calc 4 also assigns a ton of homework
07:36 <luke-jr> I think teachers should only be able to assign what they can grade
07:36 <luke-jr> s/able/allowed
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> he's also probably the second best math teacher who ever lived :)
07:37 <GodTodd> better than kellar or is kellar #1?
07:37 <GodTodd> :)
07:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: more than he can grade?
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> why?  homework isn't for their benefit, it's for the student
07:37 <luke-jr> students have other classes
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: nope, kellar's the greatest
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> so do teachers
07:37 <luke-jr> we can't dedicate 100% of our time to a single class
07:37 <GodTodd> right...my trig teacher assigned a lot of homework and didn't grade any of it
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> my current calc teacher just goes through the pile, looks to see that there's more than a couple of pages, and writes a check mark on it
07:38 <luke-jr> ...
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see it taking hiim more than 10 minutes to grade the class's homework :)
07:38 <luke-jr> that teacher just didn't tell us which homework was graded until it was due
07:38 <GodTodd> my trig teacher said that he can just tell by the tests if you've been doing your homework
07:39 <luke-jr> oh, and our graded homework made up part of the final grade
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> when it comes down to it, how much does the teacher care if you do the homework, anyway?
07:39 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: don't ask me
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> so does ours, but that's mostly to give you room to fuck up on a test
07:39 <luke-jr> why do they care if you attend the classes?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> they don't?
07:39 <GodTodd> they don't
07:39 <luke-jr> I think I'd have done better w/ Discreet if I didn't attend the classes
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> as long as you're learning the material, why should they give a shit?
07:39 <luke-jr> if I didn't attend tho, I'd lose at least a letter off the final grade...
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> besides, in the end it's your grade anyway
07:40 <GodTodd> your grade, your money, your choice
07:40 <GodTodd> it's not high school
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you don't attend, you're not likely to do much better anyway, so why does it matter?
07:40 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: pretty sure I would have in this class
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> now, true, in my school there are teachers who make showing up to class important
07:40 <luke-jr> the book was decent, the teacher wasn't that great
07:40 <luke-jr> time would have been better spent at home reading it
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> was it a private university?
07:40 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: so if your final grade was “failed” you'd get a “ailed”?
07:40 <luke-jr> yes
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> what university was it?
07:41 <luke-jr> Benedictine College
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> catholic school?  :)
07:41 <luke-jr> no
07:41 <luke-jr> conciliarist
07:41 <luke-jr> before I converted
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, I understand religious schools are pretty hardcore on discipline
07:41 <GodTodd> you're catholic and you chose it? man...
07:41 <GodTodd> heh
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> part of discipline is being where you say you're going to be at the time you say you're going to be there
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> and I could see someone interpreting a class registration as a promise to be at a certain place at a certain time
07:42 <GodTodd> yeah...i've heard they're almost as bad as military schools for that
07:43 <luke-jr> ...
07:43 <GodTodd> the teachers i've had so far here have made attending reward you but never count against you
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> at my school, which is a community college, they figure since tax dollars represent a large amount of the school's funding, they would be irresponsible to let kids just fuck off all day long
07:43 <luke-jr> hm
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> since the success of students is known to have a correlation to both how much homework they do and how many lectures they attend, there tends to be some added emphasis on those two things
07:44 <GodTodd> luke-jr: i bet you'd have a different view of college if you tried a public school
07:44 <luke-jr> GodTodd: I'd probably be non-Catholic and probably even worse off than before I converted
07:44 <GodTodd> not necessarily of course but i'd be willing to put money on it
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, supposedly Bush went to Yale...
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> (yeah yeah, Yale's a private school)
07:45 <luke-jr> what's Bush got to do with it?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> because he's a raving idiot christian, just like you?
07:45 <luke-jr> no, he's a Satanist, like you
07:45 <luke-jr> just claims to be Christian
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> if he were truly a servant of darkness, he wouldn't be talking freedom, pushing the patriot act, and torturing people
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> but he's not, therefore he must be a servant of god
07:46 <luke-jr> you've got it backward :)
07:46 <luke-jr> anyhow
07:46 <luke-jr> wife sez bed time NOW
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I guarantee you, pound for pound there's more adultery, bestiality, torture, and genocide that's condoned int he christian bible than there is in the satanic bible
07:47 <wrtlprnft>  /away school/not too much interested in another religous debate
07:47 <wrtlprnft> oops
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> hi wrtlprnft (hi there!)
07:47  * GodTodd defies luke to say what religion he is.
07:47 <wrtlprnft> well, i'll be really away now.
07:47 <GodTodd> name*
07:47 <luke-jr> wtf does that even mean, GodTodd?
07:47 <GodTodd> which word did you not understand?
07:48 <luke-jr> as a whole
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> function GodTodd() { LukeGuessGodToddsReligion(); }
07:48 <GodTodd> ^^^
07:48 <GodTodd> :)
07:48 <luke-jr> evolutionism?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a religion
07:48 <GodTodd> that's not a religion
07:48 <luke-jr> yes it is
07:48 <GodTodd> nope
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> no it's not
07:48 <luke-jr> it's blind belief in evolution, despite its having been disproven
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> it hasn't been disproven
07:48 <GodTodd> if so...then creationism is as well...and jews and christians are the same
07:48 <luke-jr> many times
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> no times
07:49 <luke-jr> GodTodd: oh, I wasn't specific enough?
07:49 <GodTodd> nah...jews and christians being the same is fine by me :)
07:49  * Lucifer_arma looks for the link ghableska gave us
07:49 <luke-jr> Jews are anti-Christian
07:50 <GodTodd> nope...both are creationists
07:50 <GodTodd> and that's the religion
07:50 <luke-jr> in fact, having found out someone is a Jew, I may cancel our get-together next week
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> right, because Jesus, of course, said "love everyone but jews"
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> "hate jews" - Jesus
07:50 <GodTodd> even tho he was a jew
07:51 <luke-jr> Loving Jews involves non-tolerance of Judaism
07:51 <luke-jr> anyhow, bed time NOW I'm reminded
07:51 <luke-jr> bye
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> anti-semitism doesn't come from the bible, it comes from the fact that the Jewish people historically behaved in very assinine ways
07:51  * GodTodd wonders what kind of whip luke's wife uses...
07:51 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma cool
07:51 <luke-jr> anti-Judaism comes from Jews being anti-Christian
07:52 <luke-jr> bye
07:52 <DrJoeTron> too bad i cant play right now
07:52 <DrJoeTron> maybe in a few hours
07:52 <DrJoeTron> but hey
07:52 <DrJoeTron> guys
07:52 <DrJoeTron> heres kind of a serious question
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> good, that's the only kind of question you can ask here
07:53 <DrJoeTron> what do you think is going to shape the 21st century?
07:53 <DrJoeTron> i need this because im writing a paper
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> my penis
07:53 <DrJoeTron> can you support that?
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> err, I meant that the 21st century will be shaped like my penis
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, I could, but I'd have to use photos
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> more seriously, I think it's a tossup
07:53 <DrJoeTron> well pictures are infact a thousand words
07:53 <DrJoeTron> woth*
07:54 <DrJoeTron> worth*
07:54 <DrJoeTron> fuck
07:54 <DrJoeTron> thank god for spellcheck
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> either we'll have to deal with the dying gasp of Christianity throwing one last period of totalitarianism on us
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> or the thing that will mostly define the 21st century will be space travel, actual manned expansion into space
07:54 <GodTodd> i can agree with that
07:55 <GodTodd> cuz i'm going to go into robotics which will contribute to that
07:55 <DrJoeTron> ok
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> and build howitzers?  :)
07:55 <DrJoeTron> which also goes to computers
07:55 <GodTodd> i can see everything for quite a while revolving around colonizing space
07:55 <DrJoeTron> computers will definatly shape the 21st century
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> society will be transformed and the technology base will advance dramatically because of colonizing space
07:56 <GodTodd> yep
07:56 <GodTodd> you figure...we've spent the last few decades bitching that we're overpopulating the earth...only one place to go then :)
07:56 <DrJoeTron> immigration
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> what about immigration?
07:57 <DrJoeTron> that will also shape it
07:57 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: how about when God pours out his wrath on the world?
07:57 <GodTodd> ironically...if/when we find life in space...*we'll* be the illegal immigrants ;)
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, how much can it shape it?
07:57 <luke-jr> BTW, Earth can easily handle at least 30 billion people
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> you need to back that statement up with credentials
07:57 <GodTodd> and we won't get there in 100 years?
07:58 <luke-jr> the entire current Earth population can fit in Texas
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> but to have those credentials, you'd need to know what a vector was :)
07:58 <luke-jr> just slightly uncomfortably
07:58  * luke-jr goes back to bed
07:58 <GodTodd> isn't it past your bedtime, luke?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> look, I saw the Mask of Gideon several times
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> she probably wants to screw, and since they're hardcore catholics...no vibrators
07:58 <DrJoeTron> hmm
07:59 <DrJoeTron> what about cold fusion
07:59 <DrJoeTron> if we get it actually working
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> violates the second law of thermodynamics
07:59 <GodTodd> wouldn't that mean they can't screw unless they're trying to make a baby?
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're not trying not to make a baby, you're trying to make a baby.  No conscious decision is required.
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think energy problems are going to have that big of an impact, and I think it's safe to say that new energy sources will be found
08:00 <GodTodd> well...what i mean is that he couldn't even pull out or anything
08:00 <GodTodd> cuz that's a form of birth control
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> for example, in colonizing the moon, solar power is going to play a big role in it
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> if the ITER reactor works out, we'll have fusion power finally
08:00 <GodTodd> nah....looooooooooooooong extension cords ;)
08:00  * Lucifer_arma notes he didn't say "cold fusion", which is pseudoscience
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> physicists recently worked out a hypothetical way to transmit power wirelessly
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> they're going to test it, and we all hope it works out, because if it does, it will make a lot of changes
08:01 <GodTodd> yeah...sounds neat...using resonance of electromagnetic waves
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> but I don't know that it will really shape the century really, more like "it'll make the tech base look really neat"
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> but the tech base will become what it will regardless :)
08:02 <DrJoeTron> so lets see
08:02 <GodTodd> i just want to not have to plug in my laptop
08:02 <DrJoeTron> computers
08:02 <GodTodd> heh
08:02 <DrJoeTron> space travel
08:02 <DrJoeTron> what else?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, hmmmmmm
08:02 <GodTodd> second coming of christ
08:02 <DrJoeTron> second coming of santa
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I don't know that computers are really going to shape the century.  They'll have their role, but I kind of see computers as already having done whatever damage they're going to do
08:03 <GodTodd> they're just going to make the shaping possible
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> now they're part of the tech base, and just like we don't really think of screws and bolts as shaping the world, neither will computers
08:03 <DrJoeTron> so what about the internet?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> same thing, it's alredy done whatever damage it's going to do :)
08:03 <DrJoeTron> i think it will do more
08:03 <GodTodd> yeah...it's peaked
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, what's left is essentially cleanup, but the internet has been successfully integrated into society
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> anything that comes next is going to depend on advances that frankly I don't think it's safe to predict
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> like if we got direct neural interfacing, that will transform society, but is it really going to happen?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> can't say
08:04 <GodTodd> it's definitely going to be an exciting century i think
08:05 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: it's about here
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> fusion has been "about here" for 20 years
08:05 <DrJoeTron> well its a english 101 persuasive essay
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> yet TXU is reopening a coal plant
08:05 <DrJoeTron> i could say pudding is going to shape the 21st century
08:05 <GodTodd> www.brainfingers.com
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> and as long as you support it, you get an A, right?
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm biased, better get another point from someone else.  I'm stuck on space travel.  :)
08:06 <DrJoeTron> well space travel is very good
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> I think something that will play a role is the downfall of American power
08:06 <DrJoeTron> but i need 2 more paragraphs
08:06 <DrJoeTron> its that crappy 5 paragraph essay
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> I think US power has peaked and the republic has already dissolved into something monstrous
08:07 <GodTodd> the 1-3-1 form?
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> um, all of my comp 1 essays were 5 paragraph essays :)
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> except the research paper, which was much longer
08:07 <GodTodd> yeah...it's standard
08:07 <GodTodd> that's still in essence the 5 paragraph paper
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> the thing is, I don't know how much US decline will shape the century, nor am I able to predict who will step in to the vacuum there
08:08 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd, yeah
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> I hope it's the EU, but I can't really predict it
08:08 <GodTodd> "tell us what you're going to tell us, then the three main points, then tell us you told us"
08:08 <DrJoeTron> yup
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I told my wife that's how you answer an essay question and she refused to believe me
08:08 <GodTodd> that's how i was taught
08:08 <GodTodd> by more than one teacher :)
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> first rewrite the question into a sentence, that's your main sentence, then write 3 sentences to support it, then write it again.
08:09 <GodTodd> yep
08:09 <GodTodd> in a different way
08:10 <GodTodd> i remember my comp2 persuasive paper...i debunked global warming
08:10 <GodTodd> heh
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'm starting to support global warming :)
08:10 <GodTodd> nah
08:10 <GodTodd> well...it is a fact...but it's a natural cycle
08:10 <GodTodd> just like global cooling
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> I remember my high school english teacher getting pissed at me for demonstrating Kafka was gay
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing about global warming
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's caused by humans, maybe not.  We'll probably know some day
08:11 <DrJoeTron> so climate change
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> but whether it is or isn't, it's happening, and we have to adapt to it
08:11 <GodTodd> it's not, imo
08:11 <DrJoeTron> climate change space travel
08:11 <GodTodd> :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> many of those adaptions require us to reduce whatever contribution we've made to it
08:11 <GodTodd> adapt to it, yes...but to try and stop it is futile
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> but what nobody seems to want to talk about is the potential effect those reductions will have
08:12 <GodTodd> exactly
08:12 <GodTodd> don't volcanoes emit cfcs?
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> there's a neat book on the baen free library which tells a good sci fi story in the context of a world where the effect those reductions had were to plunge us into an overdue ice age
08:12 <DrJoeTron> yes
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> which was even more disastrous than global warming's worst scenario!
08:12 <DrJoeTron> but us doing it doesnt help
08:13 <DrJoeTron> i dont believe in global warming
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think if it's us doing it, it does help, because that means we have some control oer the environment
08:13 <GodTodd> the environment will kick our asses everytime
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> and if we exercise that control judiciously and responsibly, and make sure to shepherd our resources, we can make this planet a really nice place
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> all it really means is that I'm currently on the side of the environmentalists :)
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> I don't necessarily agree with them, and many of them are also raving save-the-furry-creatures loony
08:14 <GodTodd> i can see moderating our emmissions...which i'm all for....but the extreme environmentalists are misguided
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, it just doesn't make sense to pump up billions of tons of carbon from the ground and process it into known toxic chemicals and just dump that into the atmosphere
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> just like you don't shit on your dinner plate
08:15 <DrJoeTron> <--needs a 3rd topic
08:15 <GodTodd> for instance...taken in a small picture context...temperatures here are currently below normal...should i run out spraying aerosols?
08:16 <DrJoeTron> no
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think the EU is going to be a big part of the 21st century
08:16 <DrJoeTron> EU?
08:16 <GodTodd> european union
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, global warming predicts more extreme weather, not just warmer weather
08:16 <DrJoeTron> ah
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, European Union.  I think they're going to get a constitution early in the 21st century
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> they're already a growing economic power
08:17 <GodTodd> if they can truly work together....they'll take our place as #1 superpower
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> no longer a series of small states, the EU is a larger united power
08:17 <DrJoeTron> how about betamax :V
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, to be honest I see either fierce competition between the US and EU over space exploration, ala the competition between Britain and Spain/France in the New World
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> or I see WW3 finally, and there isn't a strong nuclear exchange in it
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> mostly conventional weapons
08:18 <GodTodd> i just don't want another friggin cold war
08:18 <GodTodd> wasn't it einstein who said that ww3 would be fought with "sticks and stones"?
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> it was something like "I do not know with what weapons world war 3 will be fought, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones"
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know.  I think the kids that grew up during the cold war seem to be smarter than the kids that have grown up since.
08:19 <GodTodd> i thought it was ww3
08:20 <GodTodd> probably a product of the international competition....i bet more of our generation know chess than kids since
08:20 <DrJoeTron> i think the baby boomers need to be retired faster
08:21 <GodTodd> bah...it is ww4 :/
08:21 <GodTodd> "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
08:21 <GodTodd> Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> they need to get old enough to retire first
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> my mom's pre-baby boomer and she still hasn't reached retirement age
08:23  * Lucifer_arma notes for reference that the baby boomers were born in the late 40s and early 50s
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, I think there's a possibility the EU will dissolve into a war instead of completing the union, but I'm optimistic
08:24 <GodTodd> Baby Boomers
08:24 <GodTodd> 1946–1964
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> wow, all the way into the 60s?
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was born in 1974...
08:25 <GodTodd> In the United States, the term is iconic and more properly capitalized as Baby Boomers and commonly applied to people with birth years after World War II (WW II) and before the Vietnam War, thus possibly comprising more than one generation.
08:25 <DrJoeTron> my parents are baby boomers
08:25 <GodTodd> yeah..we're generation x :/
08:26 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> we're the loser generation
08:26 <GodTodd> well...we're gen x and the mtv generation
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I think Dave Mustaine summed up our generation pretty well.  "We are the damned of all the world etc etc"
08:26 <GodTodd> 1963-1978 and 1975-1984
08:26 <GodTodd> errr...you're just x
08:27 <GodTodd> :)
08:27 <DrJoeTron> generation y here
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> Nov 1974 lumps me in with the 1975 brats
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> same grade, you know
08:27 <GodTodd> 85 or 86, joe?
08:27 <DrJoeTron> and boomerang
08:27 <DrJoeTron> 86
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's 1980 :)
08:27 <DrJoeTron> i made the cut off
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> damn kid
08:27 <GodTodd> she's culture wars then too :)
08:28 <GodTodd> new silent generation...wtf does that mean?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> young enough not to have experienced the cold war in a direct fashion, but old enough not to be dumb like (sorry joe) most of the kids out there
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> not saying joe's dumb, he's just in the age range I'm talking about :)
08:29 <GodTodd> The term is a reflection of Howe's and Strauss's theory that the characteristics of American generations are cyclical, and the generation currently being born will share characteristics with the Silent Generation, born in the span of years between 1925 and 1945.
08:29 <GodTodd> that's interesting in a metaphysical sense
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> scary
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> it means my daughter's going to grow up to be my mom
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, her names' not Antigone
08:30 <GodTodd> well...i believe in reincarnation...whether anyone thinks it's sane or not :)
08:31 <GodTodd> heh that shut everyone up
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> joe probably went off to write his paper
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet it's due tomorrow
08:31 <GodTodd> sounded kinda like it
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> The exact demographic boundaries of Generation X are not well defined: persons born between 1963-1975 are generally considered "Gen X'ers", while others use the term to describe anyone who was a twentysomething sometime during the 1990's.
08:33 <GodTodd> yeah...we're the slackers
08:34 <DrJoeTron> way to slack
08:35 <GodTodd> yet...us slackers are in school while out of a sample of two 20-21 y/o's only one is furthering their education
08:35 <GodTodd> heh
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> Or like one Gen-Xer summarized it: Baby Boomers had sex, drugs and rock-and-roll. We got HIV, neo-conservativism and new wave
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> here?
08:35 <GodTodd> here?
08:35 <GodTodd> the sample?
08:35 <GodTodd> yeah
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> lot more school kids than that, I think
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
08:36 <GodTodd> yeah...but that's the thing with stats....the stat maker chooses the sample :P
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> you might actually be right :)
08:36 <GodTodd> personally...even if i use my trig class as a sample
08:37 <GodTodd> started with 36...ending with 8
08:37 <GodTodd> all that's left are the older people
08:38 <GodTodd> i think we just grew up with "hippies" for parents and so decided to go their way for a while...then we didn't like that after a while and decided slacking wasn't all that great
08:38 <GodTodd> :)
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> Gen X knows that the United States landed on the moon, from reading the history books; but they did not live through it and feel the national pride: it is a "so what".
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> you're nto seriously describing my parents as hippies, I know you aren't
08:38 <DrJoeTron> nostalgia will pave the way!
08:39 <GodTodd> not in particular...but as a generation...
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'd say our attitude about the moon landings is less "so what" and more "but that was it, and you promised us more than that, you jerkoffs!"
08:39 <DrJoeTron> who doesnt love nostalgia
08:39 <GodTodd> yeah...that "so what" is what's going to cause us to colonize the damn thing :)
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> actually, my parents are hippies by philosophy, they just chose a more traditional lifestyle, because free choice is a big part of hippy philosophy :)
08:39 <GodTodd> yep
08:40 <GodTodd> there's different extremes of hippy
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> I think we're the Five Guys in Shorts Generation
08:40 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
08:40 <GodTodd> they obviously arent the 'flower child' variety
08:40 <GodTodd> five guys in shorts?
08:41 <GodTodd> bah
08:41 <GodTodd> i'm slow
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> who gives a shit, we do what we like we don't care where we fit
08:41 <GodTodd> yeah yeah
08:41 <GodTodd> i got it
08:41 <GodTodd> :P
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> all you new jacks what is this, you're getting me, get off my dick!
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> *kidding
08:43 <GodTodd> that's 'i'm the man' isn't it?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> In Iran, they are called the Burnt Generation.
08:43 <GodTodd> been a while since i listened to that album
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> I think Iranians might be smarter than we give them credit for!
08:43 <DrJoeTron> y'know as i think about it
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> um, I'm the Man is a single :)
08:43 <DrJoeTron> us landing on the moon is pretty fucking cool.
08:43 <GodTodd> it's on attack of the killer b's
08:43 <GodTodd> :P
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> "killer b's"
08:43  * Lucifer_arma notes the liner notes even say "this is not the new Anthrax album"
08:44 <GodTodd> i'm using it in a loose way...not a technical way
08:44 <GodTodd> :P
08:44 <GodTodd> sumbitch
08:44 <GodTodd> heh
08:44 <GodTodd> been a while since i listened to that *cd*
08:44 <GodTodd> how's that?
08:45 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: it'd be even cooler if we took the next step tho
08:45 <DrJoeTron> going into the center of the earth?
08:45 <DrJoeTron> because that would be awesome too
08:45 <GodTodd> no...colonization
08:45 <GodTodd> we've had 35 years or so
08:45 <DrJoeTron> i think that could be bad later
08:46 <DrJoeTron> the colonies will rise up and fight back after earths tyranny
08:46 <DrJoeTron> i've watched anime before
08:46 <GodTodd> heh
08:46 <GodTodd> england got over it :)
08:46 <DrJoeTron> yeah but the moon will have giant robots
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> Hostility between Baby Boomers and Generation X increased in the 1980s and 1990s as Gen Xers accused Baby Boomers of hypocrisy and a "greed is good" mentality and Baby Boomers accused Gen Xers of being slackers.
08:47 <GodTodd> hahahah
08:47 <GodTodd> yuppies vs. slackers
08:47 <GodTodd> :)
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think we were right
08:47 <DrJoeTron> you ARE right
08:47 <DrJoeTron> :)
08:47 <DrJoeTron> fuck past tense
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> but they were also right, we are slackers :)
08:47 <GodTodd> we can put them in homes soon...of course we're right :)
08:48 <DrJoeTron> i just wrote an epic intro
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> Generation X is also marked by its lack of optimism for the future, nihilism, cynicism and lack of beliefs and trust on basic values. In this sense the Generation X can be called as the first Postmodern generation
08:48 <DrJoeTron> so i should do space travel, climate change
08:48 <GodTodd> joe....it was the best of times, it was the worst of times..that's already taken ;)
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> yep, I can agree with that last part.  I've noticed a rise in common sense and a sink in idiot religions
08:48 <DrJoeTron> i still need a third
08:49 <GodTodd> ender's game
08:49 <GodTodd> that centers around a third
08:49 <GodTodd> :)
08:49 <DrJoeTron> no not a thirdie
08:49 <GodTodd> no...it's just third
08:49 <DrJoeTron> i third topic :p
08:49 <DrJoeTron> no thats how they mocked the thirds
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> say something about Generation Y coming into power with their whiny rock music and wusses-for-metalheads
08:50 <DrJoeTron> "stupid third-ie:
08:50 <GodTodd> heh
08:50 <GodTodd> true
08:50 <DrJoeTron> grunge?
08:51 <DrJoeTron> grunge is amazing compared to what has become of the music we have now
08:51 <DrJoeTron> god i hate the new crap
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> he's already 30
08:51 <GodTodd> who?
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron:
08:51 <DrJoeTron> i am fairly bitter for my age
08:51 <GodTodd> nah...he just plays it in irc
08:51 <GodTodd> ;)
08:51 <DrJoeTron> I KAN PLY LIK A 13 Y O LOL
08:52 <DrJoeTron> DIS IS MY BROS OLD COMP
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> I"ll tell you what, man, what I wouldn't give sometimes for a good, old-fashioned metalhead
08:52 <GodTodd> we're a pretty cynical generation but look at what we grew up with...
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> Crankster Crap?
08:52  * GodTodd is a good old fashioned metalhead.
08:52 <DrJoeTron> Kop Killa
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> Q: Why are community colleges taking in so many new students right now?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> A: Generation X decided to grow up, finally.
08:53 <GodTodd> that's my belief
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> there are so many 28-34yo kids in my school, it's un-fucking-believable
08:53 <GodTodd> we got sick of slacking and now are determined to shape the world instead of bitching about it
08:53 <DrJoeTron> Fuck it, computers it is
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> Come on, man, Generation X going to school is a Big Deal
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> we're gonna makeover the world
08:54 <GodTodd> gen x will shape the 21st century
08:54 <GodTodd> seriously
08:54 <DrJoeTron> can we pee all over it?
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> we're finally gonna tell our parents to fuck off, and have the retirement home to back us up
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> we're gonna say "You couldn't run your lives, you sure in the hell won't run mine"
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> (where we used to say "you couldn't run your lives, wtf makes you think you can run mine?")
08:55 <GodTodd> heh
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> we really aren't going to take it anymore :)
08:56  * Lucifer_arma considers writing a song "We really aren't going to take it anymore"
08:56  * GodTodd jams to twisted sister in his head.
08:56 <GodTodd> heh
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> record it under the name Sisted Twister :)
08:56 <GodTodd> he fucking sold out too
08:56 <GodTodd> sumbitch
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> ?  last I heard he had a show on a radio station up in Seattle
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> this would be ~3 years ago
08:57 <GodTodd> he's syndicated
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> really?
08:57 <GodTodd> some station here carries it
08:57 <GodTodd> yeah
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> syndicated from seattle :)
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> he does various promotional spots around seattle all the time
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> how the *fuck* can you accuse a hair band of selling out?
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's like telling a shark "you ate a fish!"
08:58 <GodTodd> Dee Snider and Debbie Rochon host FANGORIA RADIO, which airs on Sirius Satellite, channel 102, at 10 PM till 1 AM EST every Friday!
08:58 <GodTodd> i can tell anyfuckingone they sold out :P
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> saying that twisted sister sold out is like saying that catholics are dumb
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's self-evident
08:59 <GodTodd> well...i know
08:59 <GodTodd> but i can still say it
08:59 <DrJoeTron> bah dup tsss!
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter if they sold out or not, we still grew up singing "We're not gonna take it" and "We don't need no education"
09:00 <GodTodd> yep
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> even though our parents tried to stop us from hearing that music
09:00 <GodTodd> i just liked his makeup...that's all
09:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah i bet you did
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to see his lips wrapped around my penis
09:00 <GodTodd> i remember my mom getting freaked out when she finally saw the cover for one of my iron maiden albums
09:00 <GodTodd> heh
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> my mom thought that Madonna video was something we shouldn't watch
09:01 <GodTodd> eddie doesn't make a good first impression, i guess
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> Like a Prayer
09:01 <GodTodd> like a virgin?
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> no wait
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Just like a prayer, I wanna take you there!
09:01 <GodTodd> ahhh
09:01 <GodTodd> virgin was worse
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> because it shows her doing weird shit with a knife and real blood
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> the irony is that I got so mad at her for trying to censor me that I went and rocked out with slayer for awhile
09:02 <GodTodd> yeah...slayer is much more wholesome :)
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> the brush of dead, cold flesh appease the (something)
09:02 <GodTodd> appease the need i thikn
09:02 <GodTodd> think*
09:02 <GodTodd> dead skin mask
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> yep
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I scared my daughter one time by playing that song on my guitar
09:03 <GodTodd> based on the ed gein story
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> she said "Daddy, you're scaring me, play something else!"
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I wasn't even singing it, just playing the guitar part
09:03 <GodTodd> like king diamond? ;)
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> haha, here's something you'll like
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> we were in my wife's car, and I had climbin' the walls in the cd player
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter says "I want to hear songs about vampires, that would be cool"
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> so I skipped it up to the appropriate song for her
09:04 <GodTodd> haha
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> a few minutes into it, "Daddy, this song isn't about vampires!"
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> !?
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> so later on, she was in my car (with the other kids), and I had 3d in there
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> and it was playing Spy, and she whispers to her brother "This song is about vampires!"
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> it was night time, so she got really scared
09:05 <GodTodd> heh
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> half way through Gentleman Death she started screaming, she was so scared
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> poor girl.  I skipped to Surrounded by Idiots and she was fine
09:06 <GodTodd> heh
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> at least we know she won't go rushing into the arms of the evil metalheads out of curiosity (like our generation did)
09:07 <GodTodd> i like evil metalheads
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> evil devil-worshipping cat-sacrificing er metalheads
09:07 <DrJoeTron> >:/ i like cats
09:08 <GodTodd> i do too...they taste like chicken
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> Joe, you ever hear waht AC/DC stands for?
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I'm in Generation XY!
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> yep, I'm reading the list of stuff that makes you Generation XY and saying "That's my childhood!"
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> The Satanic ritual abuse panic throughout the 1980s and up to the mid 1990s, bringing Satanism back into the mass media's eye.
09:20 <GodTodd> yeah...xy sounds like what i remember
09:22 <GodTodd> Those born prior to 1985 can also remember the early stages of the World Wide Web - including the first original chat applications such as ICQ and Yahoo! (one of the pioneering "dotcoms" in the 1990s) along with AltaVista being the first major search engines.
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, then their list of bands are all stuff I didn't like when it came out, preferring to stick with older 80s rock'n'roll and metal
09:23 <GodTodd> yeah...but they're going with the majority
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd say the satanic ritual abuse panic is a defining part of my life somehow (and actually the source of my AC/DC question)
09:23 <GodTodd> and i think it's safe to say we shunned the majority :)
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> they are, and it's a cusp generation which by definition contains traits from the one before it and the one after it
09:24 <GodTodd> right
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> but I definitely remember as a kid the feeling that there was a satanist behind every tree waiting to do something really mean to you
09:24 <GodTodd> yeah
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> and if you listened to <this music> you'll become one of them!
09:24 <GodTodd> definitely
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> and they were right, and it happened, and I listened to that music, and it has happened
09:25 <GodTodd> i remember motley crue being thought of as satanic
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I just can't see how they thought it was a bad thing :)
09:25 <GodTodd> i listened to it too and i'm not a satanist :P
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, they are.  :)
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I carry my crucifix under my deathlist, forward my mail to me in hell
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> - Motley Crue
09:26 <GodTodd> i'm far from christian...but not a satanist
09:26 <GodTodd> nothing against satanists however
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, I tend to take Anton LaVey's definition for the meaning of the word, which is basically "people that embrace philosophies and behaviors that are considered sinful to fundamentalist whackjobs like luke-jr (hi there!) )
09:29 <GodTodd> hmmm...by that definition i'm satanic then
09:29 <GodTodd> heh
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> yep :)
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> and so is everything worthwhile, and nothing that is not worthwhile
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's a really nice way of looking at the world, I think
09:30 <GodTodd> but i don't believe in satan as an entity, however
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> and you don't have to join the Church of Satan to do it
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> neither does he.  Satan in the satanic bible is explicitly not an anthropomorphic being, light energy, or anything like that
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> Satan is a fictional character who represents a very real and human way of life
09:30 <GodTodd> i do believe in a higher power, tho
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> aha, well, sorry :)
09:31 <GodTodd> :)
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> you might be right, but I think I like life better when I think I control it
09:31 <GodTodd> higher power != no control
09:31 <GodTodd> outside of christianity anyway
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> Other terms that have been used in conjunction with this generation include:
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> # Loli-boomers[6]
09:32 <GodTodd> my higher power is more of a "hands off" higher power
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron is a loliboomer
09:32 <DrJoeTron> lolita?
09:33 <DrJoeTron> D: don't compare me to jerk wads, jerk wad.
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGeneration  <--- real, honest citation
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> loli-boomer
09:33 <GodTodd> joe is in the same generation as luke
09:33 <GodTodd> :D
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> luke's a loli-boomer too
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> but my wife thankfully is not
09:35 <GodTodd> ahhh that's from the new hippie movement
09:36 <GodTodd> The term comes from the first two letters of the words 'love' and 'light', a greeting or sign-off used by the emerging multitude of green, spiritual and holistically-minded people, hence the loli-boomers.
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> no way
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> it comes from lol
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> it has to
09:36 <GodTodd> nope
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's the only way I can use it to tease joe
09:37 <GodTodd> heh
09:37 <GodTodd> how about "sucking a lollypop" therefore loliboomers suck
09:37 <GodTodd> ?
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I like how my wife sucks a lollipop
09:38 <DrJoeTron> does she just bite it?
09:38 <DrJoeTron> i bet she bites it
09:38 <DrJoeTron> is she a biter?
09:38 <GodTodd> nah...no teeth
09:38 <GodTodd> :)
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> she licks it and does all this crazy shit with it, then bites it in half
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's awesome because someone usually watches her with a woody
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> (not me, I've seen it too many times)
09:39 <DrJoeTron> you used to say the same about me :(
09:39 <GodTodd> you still give me a woody, joe
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah joe, I've got an entire tree just for you
09:40 <GodTodd> i have the whole fuckin forest
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> mine's a rain forest
09:45 <GodTodd> mines a redwood forest
09:46 <GodTodd> joe's masturbating thinking of our dicks, you know
09:52 <DrJoeTron> im that easy to read these days arent i.
09:57 <GodTodd> yep
10:00 <DrJoeTron> god im typing so slow
10:02 <DrJoeTron> you know computers really are going to shape the 21st century
10:02 <DrJoeTron> and im not just saying PC's
10:02 <DrJoeTron> i totally agree with them being peaked,
10:02 <DrJoeTron> but lets face it, we're lazy
10:02 <DrJoeTron> we always want something to do something to do our meaningless tasks for us.
10:03 <DrJoeTron> sorry, my record skipped
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> you don't have kids yet, do you?
10:06 <DrJoeTron> nope
10:06 <DrJoeTron> im probably going to adopt when i consider having kids.
10:06 <DrJoeTron> my genes are far to recessive to be spread.
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> Moltke's famous statement that "No campaign plan survives first contact with the enemy" i
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> is that a fancy way of saying "I haven't had much luck getting laid"?
10:09 <DrJoeTron> at least oscilloscope is fixed
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> "No one starts a war--or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so--without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it."
10:10 <DrJoeTron> i dont know if the world could handle two of him roaming the world.
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'm fixed, too
10:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah but you already planted your seeds of evil
10:10 <DrJoeTron> he hasn't
10:10 <GodTodd> i'm still broken
10:10 <GodTodd> heh
10:10 <DrJoeTron> you know im looking at my paper
10:11 <DrJoeTron> and the first paragraph could very well be my essay.
10:11 <DrJoeTron> i think i wil..
10:11 <DrJoeTron> haha
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.clausewitz.com/CWZHOME/VomKriege2/ONWARTOC2.HTML
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> Now, philanthropists may easily imagine there is a skilful method of disarming and overcoming an enemy without causing great bloodshed, and that this is the proper tendency of the art of War. However plausible this may appear, still it is an error which must be extirpated; for in such dangerous things as war, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are just the worst.
10:27 <DrJoeTron> HAI LUCI CAN U HALP ME SET UP A SERVER? OR R U GHEY?
10:45 <DrJoeTron> thats it, im ripping the insert key out of the keyboard
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> don't do it, joe!
11:03 <DrJoeTron> :(
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> anyone want to play scorched3d?
11:38 <spidey> ..
11:41 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: bind it to something useful
11:41  * wrtlprnft is doing the same with capslock
11:42 <DrJoeTron> i popped out the caps lock button
11:43 <wrtlprnft> what a waste
11:44 <wrtlprnft> it's a big key right next to your fingers. Give it a real use!
11:49 <DrJoeTron> i'd give it a horrible use
11:49 <DrJoeTron> so this is better
11:51 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
11:51 <armabot> spidey: [06:46:12] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: it broke spidey's sound, [06:42:49] <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: spidey (hi there!) I figured out why scorched3d didn't work for me, and I fixed it :), [04:19:54] <ghableska> spidey, spidey, [23:59:19] <luke-jr_work> spidey: PM, [23:48:48] <luke-jr_work> spidey: there is no 2.8.2.1, [22:35:16] <GodTodd> spidey sux, [22:15:24] <Durka> why is spidey op?, [21:44:22] * guru3 slaps (9 more messages)
11:53 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wrtlprnft ping
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with idiot --nolimit
11:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [09:08:15] <Lucifer_arma> poor girl.  I skipped to Surrounded by Idiots and she was fine, [08:51:39] <Lucifer_arma> yep, I can agree with that last part.  I've noticed a rise in common sense and a sink in idiot religions, [07:48:28] <Lucifer_arma> because he's a raving idiot christian, just like you?, [05:24:17] <GodTodd> i've found people tend to act like idiots anyway, [05:23:51] <mkzelda> and made (2 more messages)
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> #more
11:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: people act like idiots b/c its tv, [05:05:19] <mkzelda> and everyone around here acted like idiots b/c tv crews were around, [20:36:35] <wrtlprnft> Only idiots write in color all the time!, [01:30:46] <Lucifer_arma> and as idiot catholic adults tend to put it, "Do it my way or go to hell, it's your choice!", which we know damn well is no choice, [01:30:23] <Lucifer_arma> but it could also hide (1 more message)
11:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, www.fallin-angels.com/phpBB2 that load for you?
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't know
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> #more
11:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: the fact that they were ordered to by some idiot catholic adult, [00:33:23] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they let gay people get married there.  The idiot governor's trying to get it reversed somehow by doing an end-run around the people, and [22:30:52] <Lucifer_arma> so?  idiot has the word luke in it, what's your point?
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> hang on
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> yep
11:56 <spidey> gay
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> where were you when I was ready to play scorched3d?  :)
11:56  * Lucifer_arma fixed it, it was Xgl.
11:56 <spidey> ugh
11:56 <spidey> no
11:56 <spidey> it crashes my vid drivers, remember?
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't fix that?  :/
11:57 <spidey> ...
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> does it do it in windowed mode?
11:57 <spidey> dunno
11:57 <spidey> but i hate rebooting so i'm not gonna try :p
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> so your gaming platform is having trouble with a really cool-looking game.....
11:58 <DrJoeTron> pong
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> ping
11:58 <DrJoeTron> whatcha need spidey
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> #pang
11:58 <spidey> pong
11:58 <spidey> OMG YOU MISSED THE BALL!
11:58 <spidey> DrJoeTron, nvm luci checked
11:58 <spidey> for some reason i can't load forums
11:59 <spidey> everything else seems to load
11:59 <spidey> just not any forums
11:59 <DrJoeTron> dell makes crappy computers
11:59 <spidey> ....
11:59 <spidey> stfu
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of computers, did you send that one yet?
11:59 <spidey> ?
11:59 <DrJoeTron> no, i'm sorry :/
12:00 <DrJoeTron> i actually lost half of the case
12:00 <DrJoeTron> its somewhere
12:00 <DrJoeTron> i just need to clean this place up
12:00 <DrJoeTron> maybe i'll send it as a christmas present :D
12:03 <spidey> i want a xmas present too
12:05 <DrJoeTron> ok
12:05 <DrJoeTron> i'll send you a blank cd-r
12:05 <spidey> lol
12:05 <spidey> grrr
12:05 <spidey> brb i'ma reboot
12:06 <spidey> first
12:06 <DrJoeTron> and an insert button
12:06 <spidey> just for luci i'ma see if scorthced does whatever
12:06 <DrJoeTron> i need to redownload scorch3d
12:06 <DrJoeTron> no no
12:06 <DrJoeTron> i need to type my paper first
12:07 <spidey> ...
12:07 <spidey> it loaded
12:07 <spidey> o.o
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to bed, so finish your paper
12:08 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, how do i shoot? ;x
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> -/= are power
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> arrow keys turn it and raise/lower, with airplane controls
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> space bar fires
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> 0-9 are different camera views
12:10 <DrJoeTron> i should be able to play tomorrow
12:10 <DrJoeTron> ern
12:10 <DrJoeTron> today.
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12:14 <Lucifer_arma> whenever is fine, it's just a game.  :)  I'm going to bed for real now
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> #night
12:14 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
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12:23 <spidey> DrJoeTron, http://flyff.gpotato.com/
12:23 <DrJoeTron> im shoving you down the stairs
12:23 <spidey> ?
12:23 <DrJoeTron> you can't be serious
12:24 <spidey> ...
12:24 <spidey> http://game.ijji.com/download.nhn?m=arcade&gameId=u_gunz
12:24 <DrJoeTron> oh god
12:24 <DrJoeTron> die!
12:24 <DrJoeTron> oh wow ijji bought gunz too?
12:24 <DrJoeTron> i thought it was just gunbound
12:24 <spidey> ?
12:24 <DrJoeTron> fuck gunz
12:25 <DrJoeTron> if you like playing with bickering 14 year old otaku's
12:25 <DrJoeTron> or liked Oni for some reason
12:25 <DrJoeTron> that game was bad
12:26 <spidey> heh
12:28 <DrJoeTron> most of these games you are finding i played years ago :p
12:28 <DrJoeTron> and quit playing for valid reasons
12:28 <DrJoeTron> the only game im still playing is armagetron from durring my "oh cool FREE GAMES LOL" years.
12:33 <spidey> well
12:33 <spidey> i'ma go play americasarmy
12:33 <spidey> cause i'm getting good at it >.>
12:48 <DrJoeTron> have fun play crap
12:48 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:06 <spidey> ..
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16:15 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ping
16:15 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6476 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tDirectories.cpp tSysTime.cpp): Added inclusion of unistd.h where it was needed.
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18:46 <deja_vu> *.*
18:46 <deja_vu> finally
18:46 <deja_vu> internet at home *.*
18:55 <spidey> deja_vu,
18:56 <DrJoeTron> spidey pong?
18:57 <deja_vu> spidey:
18:57 <deja_vu> spidey ping!
19:03 <spidey> deja_vu, deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu
19:03 <spidey> deja_vu, deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu
19:03 <spidey> DrJoeTron, http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/6463/desktoprd4.gif
19:04 <spidey> :D
19:04 <DrJoeTron> vista?
19:04 <spidey> nah
19:05 <DrJoeTron> and you wonder why your computer cant handle americas army
19:05 <spidey> ...
19:05 <DrJoeTron> with a gui i like that
19:05 <spidey> my computer can
19:05 <spidey> noob
19:05 <DrJoeTron> no I*
19:05 <spidey> i run 22fps on the old maps
19:05 <DrJoeTron> noob?
19:05 <spidey> 7-8fps on the new ones
19:05 <spidey> but it still runs smoothly
19:05 <DrJoeTron> you suck spidey
19:05 <DrJoeTron> on many levels
19:06 <DrJoeTron> thats because AA sucks
19:06 <spidey> you suck
19:06 <spidey> with this skin i haven't noticed a change in performance
19:07 <spidey> maybe your computer can't handle it...but mine can :p
19:07 <DrJoeTron> my shitty dell couldnt
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19:07 <wrtlprnft> i love those black boxes around the desktop icons' texts
19:07 <spidey> ?
19:07 <spidey> i could disable that
19:07 <spidey> it's a option :p
19:08 <DrJoeTron> ahahaha
19:08 <wrtlprnft> still looks even more ugly than the rest :P
19:08 <DrJoeTron> i just use classic mode with an mspaint backround i drew
19:12 <DrJoeTron> nappy time
19:12 <spidey> lol
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20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6477 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build_codeblocks/makedist.bat:
20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Corrected winlibs path. I'm always using makedist.bat from the build_visualc
20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: directory, so I don't know whether this change is enough, the two versions are a
20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: bit out of sync. But Pig said the change was all that was required.
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21:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/manta/fortress/quasar-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by manta
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21:25 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (9 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (8 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (8 players) || Strawberry Fields (7 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (7 players) || -=|LoD|=- Sumo Temporary Server (7 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6 players) || Shrunkland in (1 more message)
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22:03 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/kyle/nano/fortress/nano_sumo_box-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by kyle
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23:21 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska
23:21 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
23:21 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:21 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 37.4°F (3:54 PM CST on December 08, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Windchill: 28.4°F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa.
23:25 <wrtlprnft> hi
23:25 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
23:26  * Lucifer_arma rubs his eyes and yawns
23:27 <ghableska> hello Lucifer_arma
23:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what's your internal time of the day?
23:28 <wrtlprnft> you don't seem to be too attached to the sun time
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> morning?
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> it gets really bad in the winter.  :/
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> in 4-5 hours I can probably go to bed for another 12
23:28 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> if I lived in Alaska, I'd probably have 1 or 2 days a year
23:29 <wrtlprnft> 2?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> how would you get that?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> maybe 3.  :)  The point being that I'd hibernate all winter and be awake all summer
23:31 <wrtlprnft> take one big breakfast in spring, lunch in the middle of summer and supper in fall?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> not healthy.
23:31 <ghableska>  heh
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, I do kinda have practical reasons for wanting to live either in an island in the Caribbean, or on the moon
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23:49 <ghableska> hi mom
23:49 <Your_mom_arma> hi
23:50 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma greet("hi") print
23:50 <wrtlprnft> err, too much io
23:51 <Vanhayes> hmm, How big would an island have to be for it to be considered a country?
23:51 <ghableska> why?
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23:52 <Vanhayes> my goal in life is to create my own country
23:52 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:52 <luke-jr_work> what's a good computer name for a DMZ?
23:52 <DrJoeTron> does Your_mom_arma knowa bout scorch3d?
23:52 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it has to big enough so you a) fit on it, b) can sustain yourself, c) won't get flooded away
23:53 <Vanhayes> I want it to be legit too, not just my calling an island my country
23:53 <DrJoeTron> lucifer wants to start playing a 3d version of scorched earth
23:53 <Your_mom_arma> link?
23:53 <Vanhayes> ah that would probly cost alot
23:53 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: echo "HOSTNAME='crackme'" > /etc/conf.d/hostname
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> all you have to do is declare your independence, establish a government, and get UN recognition
23:54  * Lucifer_arma notes the Vatican isn't very big, but is its own country
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> several cities, as well.  Monaco?
23:54 <DrJoeTron> http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/
23:54 <wrtlprnft> yep
23:54 <wrtlprnft> san marino
23:54 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: good idea
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/
23:55 <luke-jr_work> HOSTNAME="independence"
23:55 <Vanhayes> true, I think id have to find people willing to move to my island first, I doubt the UN would recognize me as a country if it was only me on the island
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> they wouldn't waste the time, but you could try to get the US to recognize you, although they might want basing rights
23:55 <wrtlprnft> you'd have to find your island first
23:55 <Your_mom_arma> i think i playedan atari version of that joe
23:56 <DrJoeTron> i played the dos versin
23:56 <DrJoeTron> and gunbound
23:56 <DrJoeTron> and worms
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see it until Scorched3d :)
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's a pretty neat game, though.  Does take some work to get aimed and stuff
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> some of the shots are pretty tough, too.  I played as some gun that got stuck on the side of a steep hill and to hit my enemy I had to shoot over the hill
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you shoot straight up, you hit yourself
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> you both have it already?
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah....  :)
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> we were gonna play it a couple of nights ago but it wasn't working on my machine, and spidey was having problems with it
23:59 <Vanhayes> so its worth the download?
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> but I fixed it last night, but joe was working on a paper
23:59 <DrJoeTron> im playing as bender :D
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's worth the download :)

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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's fun, and it's not a loooong game (like freeciv)
00:00 <Vanhayes> I think ive played games like it before
00:02 <DrJoeTron> haha they changed the wii strap
00:02 <Your_mom_arma> i saw haha
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> why's it funny?
00:04 <DrJoeTron> because the old ones were breaking and controllers were flying into tv's
00:04 <DrJoeTron> aw man
00:04 <DrJoeTron> i was excited about  firefly being an mmorpg
00:05 <DrJoeTron> too bad its gonna be sort of like star wars galaxies
00:05 <DrJoeTron> thanks guys.
00:05 <DrJoeTron> because THATS a great idea
00:05 <DrJoeTron> why dont they base it off of auto assault
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00:10 <Your_mom_arma> luci an example http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.nintendowiifanboy.com/media/2006/12/wiimote-skewer.jpg
00:10 <DrJoeTron> ah hah ah a
00:10 <DrJoeTron> oh hey Your_mom_arma seeker is a lobster
00:10 <DrJoeTron> and hang came back out of no where
00:11 <Your_mom_arma> how people lose their grip on it is beyond me
00:11 <Your_mom_arma> yeah?
00:11 <DrJoeTron> i can see it happening
00:11 <DrJoeTron> but jesus christ
00:11 <DrJoeTron> you dont need to thrash the thing around
00:12 <DrJoeTron> did you get one yet?
00:12 <DrJoeTron> i sure havent
00:12 <Your_mom_arma> next year they'll need new controllers anyway... Diagnosis shacken controller syndrom
00:12 <Compn> www.wiihaveaproblem.com is THE site for broken wii photos :)
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> i dont have one yet
00:14 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:15 <DrJoeTron> i got bored with final fantasy III
00:15 <DrJoeTron> very fast
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00:15 <DrJoeTron> so i went back to mario & luigi:partners in time, and i havent looked back
00:15 <DrJoeTron> i forgot that the game was actually pretty funny
00:16 <Compn> which one is that?
00:16 <Compn> for DS ?
00:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah
00:17 <Compn> is there a DS emulator yet? hehe
00:17 <DrJoeTron> dont know about a good working one
00:17 <DrJoeTron> but fortunately for that particular game
00:17 <DrJoeTron> it has no use for the touch screen
00:18 <DrJoeTron> it doesnt even work on the game
00:20 <DrJoeTron> 1 final left and its not till tuesday :D
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00:40 <Your_mom_arma> ok i think we could pull together a game now, just rushed through the tutorial
00:40 <DrJoeTron> im running out in a few min
00:40 <DrJoeTron> and i wont be gone long
00:40 <DrJoeTron> so after that
00:40 <DrJoeTron> i'd be down
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00:47 <DrJoeTron> brb
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01:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, it's fucking tankwars but 3-d
01:12 <spidey> you have to callibrate a perfect launch straight up
01:12 <spidey> over hills
01:14 <Vanhayes> hmm, anyone want to play?
01:15 <Your_mom_arma> i'll play if someone else hosts
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01:20 <Vanhayes> spidey: can you host it?
01:28  * Lucifer_arma just got off the phone
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> can you guys wait about 10 minutes while I grab a cigarette?
01:28 <DrJoeTron> im back
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> then I'll host, of course :)
01:29 <DrJoeTron> sweet deal
01:29 <DrJoeTron> ping me when we're gonna start
01:32 <spidey> well
01:32 <spidey> i'ma playing halo
01:32 <DrJoeTron> hey Your_mom_arma do you remember when americas army was "the game" to play? like 4 years ago?
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> right after the 9/11 attacks?
01:35 <DrJoeTron> yeah
01:35 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: Your_mom_arma (hi there!) DrJoeTron (hi there!) Vanhayes (hi there!) ping!
01:35 <DrJoeTron> ok
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> server's started, www.davefancella.com
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> who's playing, besides me and joe?
01:39 <DrJoeTron> :(
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> ?
01:43 <Your_mom_arma> pong
01:44 <spidey> pong
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, you going to join?
01:56 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, yes
02:00 <Vanhayes> spidey: are you administrator?
02:00 <spidey> yea
02:00 <Vanhayes> ah ok
02:01 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
02:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 18°F / -8°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM AST; Tonight - Periods of snow ending early this evening then clearing. Amount 2 cm. Wind north 40 km/h gusting to 70 becoming west 20 overnight except gusting to 40 along the fundy coast. Low minus 10.; Saturday - Cloudy with sunny (1 more message)
02:07 <Vanhayes> spidey?
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02:08 <ghableska> heh
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02:09 <spidey> dude
02:09 <spidey> it crashed my drivers
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> what happened?
02:09 <spidey> again
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> awwww
02:09 <spidey> but
02:09 <spidey> since i'm retarded
02:09 <spidey> i'm coming back
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02:27 <spidey_> ij
02:27 <spidey_> ok
02:27 <spidey_> fuck that game
02:29 <DrJoeTron> fuck your pc
02:31 <spidey_> fuck you
02:31 <spidey_> i'ma update my drivers, brb
02:31 <Vanhayes> spidey_: try windowed?
02:32 <spidey_> no
02:32 <spidey_> gimme a sec
02:32 <spidey_> my driver version => 6,14,19,4020  latest version => 14.10.3
02:32 <spidey_> so lemme try this update
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02:40 <spidey> there we go
02:45 <Vanhayes> spidey: ping
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02:48 <spidey> one last time
02:48 <spidey> then
02:48 <spidey> i'm usinstalling it
02:57 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ?
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> dinner and stuff
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03:18 <spidey_>  fuck it
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03:33 <ghableska> heh
03:38 <DrJoeTron> i'd like to keep playing that
03:39 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:39 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 30.2°F (7:54 PM CST on December 08, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Windchill: 21.2°F. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa.
03:39 <spidey> http://youtube.com/watch?v=6RiG9lq84o8  <=== WTF!?!?!?
03:40 <ghableska> ...
03:40 <ghableska> what is that...thing?
03:40 <spidey> hell if i know
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03:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's a pretty neat game
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: you get scorched3d yet?
03:50 <ghableska> no, but I'll check it out :)
03:52 <ghableska> do you guys have a server up?
03:54 <Vanhayes> ghableska:  ya
03:54 <ghableska> what's it called?
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03:54 <Vanhayes> #last --with www
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: [02:12:07] <Lucifer_arma> awwww
03:54 <Vanhayes> #last --with www.
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: [01:39:56] <Lucifer_arma> server's started, www.davefancella.com
03:54 <ghableska> ok, thanks
03:54 <DrJoeTron> ghab is gonna play with us?
03:54 <DrJoeTron> :)
03:54 <ghableska> yep
03:54 <DrJoeTron> i'll be on later
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'll be back in a bit, I've got stuff to do right now
04:06 <ghableska> grr
04:15 <Your_mom_arma> no one wanted to play with me
04:17  * ghableska wonders why
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04:19 <Van-hayes> #last --with www.
04:19 <armabot> Van-hayes: [03:57:14] <Vanhayes> #last --with www.
04:19 <Van-hayes> #last --with www.d
04:19 <armabot> Van-hayes: [01:39:56] <Lucifer_arma> server's started, www.davefancella.com
04:25 <Van-hayes> Your_mom_arma: ghableska are you guys still playing?
04:25 <ghableska> nah
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> awww, no one's playing?
04:26  * ghableska sucked too much
04:29 <Compn> #armaservers
04:30 <armabot> Compn: ~"XzL.Clan The Server (12 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Strawberry Fields (8 players) || The Lobster Cage (7 players) || MicroBusCity.com (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (6 players) || Yeager rules, Physics sucks (5 players) || *Super* *Duck* *Multi* *Map* *Nano* *Fortress* (5 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (5 players) || (1 more message)
04:30 <Your_mom_arma> im up for some more, but everyone left
04:32 <Your_mom_arma> i understand why ghab left, i was killing him on the first turn
04:33 <ghableska> :)
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04:43 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i'll play if you bribe my vid drivers not to crash
04:50 <spidey> actually
04:50 <spidey> i'm going sleep
04:50 <spidey> cya
04:51 <GodTodd> spidey sleeps?
04:51 <GodTodd> wow
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05:21 <Lucifer_arma> anybody else for some scorched3d?  :)
05:21 <Van-hayes> Your_mom_arma: DrJoeTron spidey ghableska want to play?
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
05:21 <Van-hayes> Lucifer_arma: is there a setting for weapons?
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a long game like freeciv is....
05:22 <GodTodd> gimme just a minute and i'd be up for a bit
05:22 <GodTodd> :)
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> sorta
05:22 <ghableska> Van-hayes: sure
05:23 <Van-hayes> ghableska: come to the server :)
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> there's a weapon level, no idea what it does
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a "give all weapons"
05:24 <Your_mom_arma> pong
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> play?
05:25 <Your_mom_arma> ok
05:25 <ghableska> ok
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05:52 <luke-jr> I might be up for civ tonight :p
05:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you're at war in 1tpd, fyi
05:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: ready to take over? :p
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> no
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> ready for scorched3d?
05:57 <luke-jr> no plans
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> come on man, one more person and we can do a real team game
06:04 <luke-jr> but... it's ~arch masked!
06:15 <luke-jr> I'll install it if you play 1tpd :p
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06:43 <ghableska> hmm
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:44 <ghableska> #night
06:44 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, server's restarting
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06:44 <luke-jr> ...
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> don't know what happened though
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I know what happened, I was disconnected for inactivity :)
06:45 <DrJoeTron> im gonna make my rounds on arma
06:45 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: 1tpd?
06:46 <DrJoeTron> ko
06:47 <Van-hayes> #ping
06:47 <armabot> pong
06:47 <DrJoeTron> anyone playing?
06:47 <Van-hayes> just about to
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> scorched3d?
06:47 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:47 <luke-jr> I am if you play 1tpd :p
06:47 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma scorch3d?
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> nah, im done for the day cya guys
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06:48 <DrJoeTron> oh carp brb
06:50 <luke-jr> erm
06:50 <luke-jr> it's way too slow :(
06:56 <luke-jr> hrm
06:56 <luke-jr> how the heck are you supposed to aim?
06:56 <luke-jr> well, accurately
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> you're supposed to use the force
06:57 <luke-jr> wtf
06:57 <luke-jr> lol
06:57 <luke-jr> I killed myself
06:57 <luke-jr> and it said well done
06:58 <luke-jr> bah
06:58 <luke-jr> how do I play w/ you
06:58 <GodTodd> it must know you ;)
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> join my server, www.davefancella.com
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07:07  * GodTodd sniffs his armpits.
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> you coming back?
07:08 <GodTodd> no :P
07:08 <GodTodd> heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> luke?  you coming back?
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> er, he's not here
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: ?
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08:06 <luke-jr> hi guru3
08:06 <luke-jr> hm, two guru3_s
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> that apocolypse mod is cool
08:08 <GodTodd> yeah it is
08:09 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: I can't connect
08:09 <GodTodd> i'ma have to do some practicing tho
08:09 <luke-jr> spidey:
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:09 <luke-jr> wanna continue civ?
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, those rounds where people take you out on the first shot suck
08:10 <Van-hayes> heh
08:10 <Van-hayes> I love the dirt
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08:10 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, those rounds where I take someone out on the first shot rule
08:10 <Van-hayes> best is when you take them out with the weakest weapon in the first shot
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> isn't the first shot always with the weakest weapon so you can try to range and gauge the wind?
08:11 <Van-hayes> well it depends on what you really want to do
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> I screwed up that one round, I kept firing the wrong weapon, thought I was shooting sandhogs but I was shooting leapfrogs
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I saw you throwing up the wall of dirt to block someone close off
08:12 <Van-hayes> heh I did that to GodTodd a few times in that last game
08:12 <GodTodd> :P
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyways, had I shot sandhogs that one round, I should've taken you out a few shots earlier, couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong until next round
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08:14 <Lucifer_arma> fun game though, we'll have to play it some more :)
08:16 <Van-hayes> ya, I enjoy it, alot quicker than freeciv
08:18 <GodTodd> it's definitely a long way from scorched earth
08:18 <GodTodd> heh
08:48 <Van-hayes> #night
08:48 <armabot> Good night Van-hayes!
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10:23 <wrtlprnft> woha
10:23 <wrtlprnft> we had over 140 players friday night
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, 139 of them were a script I ran
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> just kidding :)
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10:44 <luke-jr> pwn
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10:50 <Lucifer_arma> did luke-jr (hi there!) just pwn us?
10:51  * luke-jr sure did
11:00 <DrJoeTron> herf derf
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11:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: heh, give me a script to connect to a master :)
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11:16 <wrtlprnft> s/a master/an arma server/
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12:36 <Lucifer_arma> Out of the whole multitude of prudent men in the world, the great majority are so from timidity.
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "Out of the whole multitude of prudent men in the world, the great majority are so from timidity. --Clausewitz"
12:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "Out of the whole multitude of prudent men in the world, the great majority are so from timidity. --Clausewitz"
12:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.  Quote #37 added.
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13:55 <spidey> gay
13:55 <spidey> did yalll play civ last night?
13:56 <MaZuffeR> no
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> no, we play scorched3d
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> *played
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> #q
13:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 08:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
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13:58 <Lucifer_arma> #seen n54
13:58 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 25 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 8 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> #q
14:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:27 PM, March 29, 2006)
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14:44 <spidey> #cnn 38256
14:44 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 19.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Wind: SSW at 2 mph (3 km/h).
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15:55 <spidey> #ping
15:55 <armabot> pong
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15:59  * wrtlprnft wonders what happened to/with n54
16:06 <wrtlprnft> #g 1.4^2
16:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1.4^2 = 1.96
16:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 1/1.4^2
16:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 / (1.4^2) = 0.510204082
16:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 1/1.4^2 * 4
16:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (1 / (1.4^2)) * 4 = 2.04081633
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16:30 <wrtlprnft> #g 1/.7^2
16:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 / (.7^2) = 2.04081633
16:31 <spidey> #weather 38256
16:31 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 30.0°F (9:32 AM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Rising).
16:32 <spidey> eh
16:32 <spidey> #cnn 38256
16:32 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 24.0°F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 59%. Wind: S at 3 mph (5 km/h).
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18:49 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen sworntokill
18:50 <armabot> MaZuffeR: SwornTOKill has last been seen on Fortress Café 3 days 20 hours 56 minutes ago.
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18:55 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
18:55 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): Aflac, LacrYmosa, pavelo, Pez, Rico, Sticky, ~ Super X ~
18:55 <ghableska> #armaservers
18:56 <armabot> ghableska: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (12 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (8 players) || Swampland *in 2.8* (7 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || *Super* *Duck* *Multi* *Map* *Nano* *Fortress* (5 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || Strawberry Fields (1 more message)
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19:08 <mkzelda> ahhh its warmed up today
19:08 <ghableska> #weather 50265
19:08 <mkzelda> #cnn 27610
19:08 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 44.6°F (11:54 AM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa.
19:08 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Raleigh, NC is 42.0°F. Conditions: Partly Sunny. Humidity: 24%. Wind: WSW at 6 mph (10 km/h).
19:08 <ghableska> hmm
19:09 <mkzelda> last night i emptied a cooler outside and the water froze while i was still standing there
19:10 <mkzelda> i've never seen that happen
19:10 <ghableska> how cold was it?
19:11 <mkzelda> 20 or so
19:11 <mkzelda> i dunno
19:11 <ghableska> 's not that cold
19:11 <mkzelda> ya
19:12 <mkzelda> it was funny cause my dogs couldnt figure out why they couldnt drink the water
19:13 <mkzelda> the water was broken
19:15 <ghableska> haha
19:18 -!- [dlh] [n=[dlh]@a0204.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
19:25 <luke-jr> wtf does it mean if a CRT makes high-pitch noise?
19:28 <ghableska> luke-jr: does everything you own do that?
19:28 <luke-jr> ...
19:29 <Compn> luke-jr : its warming up, pour water on it
19:29 <Compn> hehe
19:31 <ghableska> "Luke-Jr:     what's it mean when a UPS makes an annoying constant high-pitch noise??"
19:31 <luke-jr> lol
19:31 <luke-jr> this is even higher
19:32 <ghableska> duck
19:42 <ghableska> grr
19:42 <ghableska> arma disappeared while I was playing
19:42 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: found it again?
19:42 <ghableska> I mean, it minimized itself and won't come back
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19:58 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
19:58 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
19:59 <ghableska> how long were you guys playing last night?
20:00 <Vanhayes> hmm, not sure, quite a while
20:00 <ghableska> hehe
20:00 <ghableska> it's a fun game :)
20:00 <Vanhayes> such a fun game
20:00 <Vanhayes> heh
20:00 <ghableska> when you don't shoot straight up >_>
20:01 <Vanhayes> lol, that is pretty funny tho
20:01 <ghableska> heh
20:32 <ghableska> #weather 50265
20:32 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 48.2°F (12:54 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa.
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20:36 <Van-hayes> #serverdetails -v original
20:36 <armabot> Van-hayes: Original Fortress (old CVS style) (80.237.235.8:4534) running 0.3.0 unix dedicated, Description: “CVS test/bugfarm style fortress clone.“, Players (8/16): Agg, Ciccio, Eddie Hitler, King Gojinn, mdesvo, Waffen |SS|, Weird Solo, ZZ 109
20:42 <ghableska> #armaservers
20:42 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (11 players) || Original Fortress (old CVS style) (9 players) || *Super* *Duck* *Multi* *Map* *Nano* *Fortress* (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (7 players) || ^}LC}< Legendary Rubber Clan Server > (6 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (6 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || (1 more message)
20:43 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig winzone
20:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:43 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig win_zone
20:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode (default: 1000000) || SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode (default: 100000) || WIN_ZONE_EXPANSION: Expansion speed of the instant win zone (default: 1) || (2 more messages)
20:43 <wrtlprnft> #more
20:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: WIN_ZONE_INITIAL_SIZE: Initial size of the instant win zone (default: 5) || WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated (default: 30) || WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the instant win zone is activated (default: 60) || WIN_ZONE_RANDOMNESS: Randomness factor of the initial win zone (1 more message)
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20:51 -!- Van-hayes is now known as Vanhayes
21:01 -!- Arma91 [n=Arma91@cpe-76-167-221-172.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
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21:02 -!- Arma91 is now known as Durka
21:03 <Durka> MaZuffeR: you here?
21:03 <MaZuffeR> yes
21:04 <Durka> where
21:04 <Durka> ;]
21:04 <Durka> ok so what have ur teammates said
21:04 <Durka> about the rematch
21:04 <Durka> i dont think we can set it up for 2maro
21:04 <Durka> thats a tight one
21:05 <Durka> how about next sunday at 9 or 10 pm gmt in zmans or wrtls
21:05 <MaZuffeR> i can't play next sunday
21:05 <Durka> even better ;]
21:05 <Durka> ok so when
21:06 <pavelo> lol
21:06 <MaZuffeR> i can't play after wednesday
21:06 <Durka> awww
21:06 <Durka> i can get 5 ppl for 2maro i think
21:07 <Durka> but i cant play
21:07 <Durka> so 4 maybe
21:07 <Durka> i could get 6 idk
21:07 <pavelo> tomorrow doesnt work for me as well
21:07 <MaZuffeR> eggcozy wasn't sure if he can play
21:08 <Durka> hmmmm
21:08 <Lucifer_arma> it's going to be very entertaining when we've finished beating around the config system if we wind up deciding our current config system satisfies the requirements and we need change nothing
21:08  * Durka Lucifer_arma
21:09  * Lucifer_arma goes to start his annoydurka.sh script
21:10 <Durka> lol
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I killed the channel
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> who woulda thunk it, but actually talking about developing arma kills the channel!
21:12  * Durka doenst see the script
21:12  * Lucifer_arma didn't really start it
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> besides, it's called annoyluke.sh
21:12 <Durka> lawl
21:14 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v cvs
21:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Original Fortress (old CVS style) (80.237.235.8:4534) running 0.3.0 unix dedicated, Description: “CVS test/bugfarm style fortress clone.“, Players (11/16): Agg, delarge, King Gojinn, Player 1, Suicidal Eddie, TERMIN A TORD, VALOO, Waffen |SS|, Weird Solo, ZZ 109, |HTF|Gergely
21:14 <ghableska> whose server is that?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.0?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> dunno
21:14 <Durka> is it zmans?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> certainly not
21:15 <wrtlprnft> descr:          Michael Lechtermann
21:15 <wrtlprnft> descr:          Aeussere Kanalstrasse 215
21:15 <wrtlprnft> descr:          50827 Koeln
21:15 <wrtlprnft> hmm, cologne, but that's not manuel moos aka z-man
21:15 <z-man> err, no.
21:16 <Durka> whos server?
21:16 <wrtlprnft> host europe? is that handled by luke-jr?
21:16 <Durka> its not wrtls or lukes
21:16 <wrtlprnft> nvm then
21:16 <luke-jr> ?
21:16 <Durka> IP: 80.237.235.8
21:16 <wrtlprnft> is it yours now?
21:16 <Durka> runningn on port 4534
21:16 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v 2020
21:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “2020” at the moment, sorry.
21:16 <Durka> its not lukes
21:16 <wrtlprnft> umm
21:16 <Durka> look at the ip
21:16 <Durka> 80.237.235.8
21:16 <luke-jr> Durka: ...
21:17 <luke-jr> 87.230.6.125 is my hosteurope IP
21:17 <wrtlprnft> ah
21:17 <wrtlprnft> is it just 2020's server renamed then?
21:17 <luke-jr> no, it'd be 87.230.6.125
21:17 <Durka> ill check my logs for someone's ip like that
21:17 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:17 <MaZuffeR> belenus' maybe, he's from koeln and hosted FEs server i think
21:17 <Durka> no belenus's old server lagged a ton
21:17 <Durka> this doesnt
21:18 <wrtlprnft> inetnum:        80.237.235.8 - 80.237.235.15
21:18 <wrtlprnft> he's got an entire 3-bit subnet
21:19 <luke-jr> lol
21:21 <Durka> im downloading my ladderlog...29 mb :[
21:21 <luke-jr> ow
21:21 <wrtlprnft> Durka: bz2 it?
21:21 <luke-jr> anyone want to buy a US server from me so I can try out some other server rentals?
21:21 <ghableska> No.
21:22 <Durka> no
21:22 <wrtlprnft> btw, looks like the lag issue on my servers fixed itself again
21:22 <wrtlprnft> seemed ok when the café had 17 players today
21:23 <Durka> no way
21:23 <Durka> i have 350 ping =/
21:23 <Durka> constatnly
21:23 <ghableska> haha
21:23 <ghableska> #armaservers
21:23 <armabot> ghableska: Norm's Place (10 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (9 players) || *Super* *Duck* *Multi* *Map* *Nano* *Fortress* (8 players) || MicroBusCity.com (7 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 (1 more message)
21:24 <ghableska> #serverdetails Styball
21:24 <wrtlprnft> lots of people under 100ms when i was there, and most under 200…
21:24 <armabot> ghableska: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (4/8): Angstronaut, GOLIATH, Killer_of_Kitty, |?- What?-?{
21:24 <wrtlprnft> even ota from the US had ~125ms
21:24 <Compn> durka, i've seen you ping bad on a lot of servers
21:24 <Compn> i blame you/your isp
21:25 <Durka> somethings weird here
21:25 <Durka> my isp =/
21:25 <MaZuffeR> Durka: so no match tomorrow?
21:25 <Durka> nope
21:25 <Durka> who is compn
21:25 <MaZuffeR> kamakazi
21:26 <Durka> o
21:26 <Durka> o i think i know why
21:26 <Durka> i was downloading my ladder log XD
21:26 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:27 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: ya that problem with only having a high ping in the servers hosted by that company you use is gone, I had around 130 ping today
21:27 <Vanhayes> which is 100 better than what it was a few days ago
21:27 <Durka> ya now its constantly 250
21:27 <wrtlprnft> and you're from Canada, so 100 is minimum anyways
21:27 <Durka> now 300 =/
21:28 <Vanhayes> ya, 130 is great in a europe server for me, 160-180 is average
21:28  * wrtlprnft had ~300 on BF when he was in winnipeg
21:29 <wrtlprnft> *~300ms
21:30 <Durka> no match for the ip of that fortress server from my logs
21:30 <wrtlprnft> it's a dedicated server box
21:30 <wrtlprnft> i'm certain it never ran an arma client
21:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:31 <Durka> ya
21:31 <wrtlprnft> that guy is active in BSD mailing lists
21:31 <wrtlprnft> belenus?
21:32 <Durka> #lastseen belenus
21:32 <armabot> Durka: belenus has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 7 hours 1 minutes ago.
21:32 <wrtlprnft> ah, sec
21:32 <wrtlprnft> i could check who first played on the server :P
21:32 <Durka> ya
21:34 <Compn> belenus
21:34 <Compn> i kinda remember him on the servers
21:34 <ghableska> #lastseen wuttle
21:35 <Vanhayes> used to be Fe if i remember
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #help time
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (time [<format>] [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the current time in <format> format, or, if <format> is not given, uses the configurable format for the current channel. If no <seconds since epoch> time is given, the current time is used.
21:35 <ghableska> fe, sl?
21:35 <Durka> wtf is up with ct servers wrtl
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #help U
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "u".
21:35 <wrtlprnft> Durka: ?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #time U
21:35 <Vanhayes> I dont think he was around for SL
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: U
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #time +U
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: +U
21:35 <ghableska> oh
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #time %U
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 49
21:35 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #time %u
21:35 <ghableska> #time
21:35 <armabot> ghableska: 09:38 PM, December 09, 2006
21:35 <Durka> no he was van
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 6
21:35 <wrtlprnft> i want a unix timestamp x_X
21:35 <armabot> ghableska: timed out
21:36 <Durka> ok when they first started it was all good
21:36 <Durka> not much sliding and lag
21:36 <Durka> i got 180-200 ping
21:36 <Durka> its gotten so much worse
21:36 <Durka> a month ago i was constatnly getting 220-250
21:36 <Durka> now its 250-350
21:36 <Durka> i think the maps are too detailed
21:36 <Durka> it slows everything down
21:37 <Vanhayes> do maps affect pings? thought it was just fps
21:37 <wrtlprnft> well
21:37 <wrtlprnft> low framerate = more lag, in a way
21:37 <Compn> http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/excise.asp
21:37 <Compn> for any other usa people out there ;p
21:38 <wrtlprnft> #g 1165696623 - 24*3600
21:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1,165,696,623 - (24 * 3,600) = 1,165,610,223
21:38 <wrtlprnft> #g 1165696623 - 24*3600*10
21:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1,165,696,623 - (24 * 3,600 * 10) = 1,164,832,623
21:38 <wrtlprnft> w/o commas!
21:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, belenus was the first guy to play on this server
21:39 <wrtlprnft> #help time
21:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (time [<format>] [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the current time in <format> format, or, if <format> is not given, uses the configurable format for the current channel. If no <seconds since epoch> time is given, the current time is used.
21:40 <wrtlprnft> #time "%D %T" 1165664463
21:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 12/09/06 12:41:03
21:41 <wrtlprnft> apparenty not long ago
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21:43 <Durka> was that when belenus was last in there?
21:43 <Durka> so then check when the server first contacted the master list
21:43 <Vanhayes> uh, so why are you trying to track him down?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> what's the point?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> we now know that bel is hosting it, that's what i wanted
21:44 <Compn> lots of noobs in styball
21:44 <Durka> lol
21:44 <wrtlprnft> let's go show them how to play :D
21:44 <Compn> i'm dere
21:45 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails styball
21:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (7/8): ?, Burt Bacarach, Kamakazi, Killer_of_Kitty, sophie, The Truth, |?- What?-?{
21:45 <Vanhayes> hmm
21:45 <Compn> it full?
21:45 <Compn> we trying to kick one of the noobs
21:45 <Compn> :)
21:45 <Durka> #serverdetails thekowsklan
21:45 <armabot> Durka: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “thekowsklan” at the moment, sorry.
21:46 <Durka> #serverdetails *super
21:46 <armabot> Durka: *Super* *Duck* *Multi* *Map* *Nano* *Fortress*: Players (7/10): .dBd|Nanotek, /CWB\ BALLIN, longball lasch, trAth, [The~Chosen~One, |!STELL!|, ~*SP*~ ØLÊfÀ	Cr
21:46 <Durka> lol ~*SP*~ ØLÊfÀCr = ~*SP*~ Omega
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21:48 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
21:48 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a rude-snouted puddle of tepid seagull.
21:49 <Durka> #quote get 35
21:49 <armabot> Durka: Quote #35: "ur not a good writer :P - Ady" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:00 PM, November 13, 2006)
21:49 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@p509239E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
21:49 <spidey> #quote get 17
21:49 <Durka> #quote get 36
21:49 <armabot> spidey: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 02:02 AM, June 14, 2006)
21:49 <armabot> Durka: Quote #36: "<Durka> HEY im a n00b" (added by spidey at 08:45 PM, December 07, 2006)
21:50 <spidey> #quote get 18
21:50 <armabot> spidey: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 05:23 AM, June 21, 2006)
21:50 <spidey> #quote get 16
21:50 <armabot> spidey: Quote #16: "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. - Brian Kernighan" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:21 PM, May 03, 2006)
21:51 <spidey> #quote get 19
21:51 <armabot> spidey: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
21:51 <spidey> heh
21:51 <spidey> #quote get 25
21:52 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no Quote with id #25 in my database for #armagetron.
21:52 <spidey> #quote get 26
21:52 <armabot> spidey: Quote #26: "<Lucifer_arma> I want fundamentalism just so I can wipe my ass with luke-jr_'s face" (added by spidey at 05:44 AM, October 25, 2006)
21:52 <spidey> haha i still like that one
21:53 <Durka> lol
21:53 <spidey> #quote get 27
21:53 <armabot> spidey: Quote #27: "thats like asking if vegetarians can eat animal crackers -- DrJoeTron" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:12 AM, October 26, 2006)
21:53 <spidey> how many quotes are there now? o.O
21:53 <spidey> #quote get 28
21:53 <armabot> spidey: Quote #28: "i can't speel either --Fonkay" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:38 AM, October 28, 2006)
21:54 <Durka> #quote get 1
21:54 <armabot> Durka: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:37 AM, March 24, 2006)
21:54 <Durka> #quote get 2
21:54 <armabot> Durka: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
21:54 <spidey> #quote get 29
21:54 <armabot> spidey: Quote #29: "It was like playing a game with a ping of 3000. -- John Carmack, Founder, Armadillo Aerospace" (added by GodTodd at 05:34 AM, October 29, 2006)
21:55 <spidey> heh
21:55 <spidey> #quote get 20
21:55 <armabot> spidey: Quote #20: "ok luci, you'd know better on this one -- luke-jr" (added by wrtlprnft at 02:26 PM, August 24, 2006)
21:55 <spidey> #quote get 30
21:55 <armabot> spidey: Quote #30: "Fonkay: Are you afraid of sex? -armabot" (added by spidey at 01:02 AM, November 02, 2006)
21:55 <spidey> #quote get 31
21:55 <armabot> spidey: Quote #31: "<Fonkay> #eliza you are stupid <armabot> Fonkay: Why do you say i are stupid?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:05 AM, November 02, 2006)
21:56 <spidey> would have been better if armabot said "i r stupid?"
21:56 <spidey> :p
21:56 <Vanhayes> #eliza you r stupid
21:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say me r stupid?
21:57 <ghableska> #eliza u r stupid
21:57 <armabot> ghableska: Why do you say u r stupid?
21:57 <spidey> haha
21:57 <ghableska> ..
21:57 <Durka> #eliza i r stupid
21:57 <armabot> Durka: Why do you say you r stupid?
21:57 <Vanhayes> my favorite is still:
21:57 <Vanhayes> #eliza Bitch
21:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
21:57 <Vanhayes> #eliza You are a Bitch
21:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Please, watch your tongue!
21:57 <Durka> #eliza fuck me
21:57 <armabot> Durka: Are you afraid of sex?
21:57 <Vanhayes> ha
21:57 <ghableska> :P
21:58 <Durka> lol
21:58 <Durka> #eliza fuck you bitch
21:58 <armabot> Durka: Are you afraid of sex?
21:58 <Durka> =/
21:58 <Vanhayes> #eliza I love you
21:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Please, describe your relationship with me.
21:58 <spidey> o.o
21:58 <Durka> #eliza i wanna fuck u
21:58 <armabot> Durka: Why do you say you might want to fuck u?
21:58 <Durka> lol
21:58 <Vanhayes> wo, who said might?
21:58 <Durka> #eliza i wanna fuck armabot
21:58 <armabot> Durka: Why do you say you might want to fuck armabot?
21:59 <Durka> #eliza i wanna fuck #eliza
21:59 <armabot> Durka: Fuck what? || Why do you say you might want to?
21:59 <spidey> what?
21:59 <Durka> ?
21:59 <Durka> lol
21:59 <spidey> #eliza #eliza #eliza
21:59 <armabot> spidey: Can you elaborate on that?
21:59 <spidey> #eliza what's #eliza
21:59 <armabot> spidey: Why do you say what 's?
22:00 <spidey> Durka: Fuck what? || Why do you say you might want to?
22:00 <spidey> it did two of them
22:00 <Durka> lol
22:00 <Vanhayes> #ekiza #eliza Why do you make no sense. answer me that #eliza
22:00 <Vanhayes> #eliza #eliza Why do you make no sense. answer me that #eliza
22:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Can you elaborate on that?
22:00 <Vanhayes> #eliza NO
22:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why not?
22:01 <Vanhayes> #eliza i wanna fuck #eliza
22:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fuck what? || Why do you say you might want to?
22:01 <Durka> #eliza abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
22:01 <armabot> Durka: Can you elaborate on that?
22:01 <Vanhayes> #eliza i wanna blah #eliza
22:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say you might want to blah?
22:01 <Vanhayes> hmm
22:01 <Vanhayes> anyways
22:02 <Vanhayes> spidey: Lucifer_arma GodTodd DrJoeTron ghableska , anyone else who plays, want to play a game of scorched3d?
22:03 <luke-jr> scorched3d sux
22:03 <luke-jr> it froze my PC :p
22:03 <Vanhayes> you pc sucks
22:03 <spidey> yea
22:03 <Vanhayes> your*
22:03 <spidey> and it crashes my vid drivers
22:03 <Vanhayes> ya thats happened to me before
22:03 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: spidey says it's the game :p
22:04 <luke-jr> #eliza [eliza]
22:04 <armabot> luke-jr: Can you elaborate on that?
22:04 <luke-jr> heh
22:04 <luke-jr> #eliza [eliza [eliza]]
22:04 <armabot> luke-jr: Can you elaborate on that?
22:04 <Vanhayes> still its only happened once to me and its fun so i can live with it
22:04 <spidey> maybe
22:04 <spidey> but i hate rebooting
22:04 <spidey> ohhhhhhhhhhhh
22:04 <spidey> i know
22:05 <spidey> i'll run it in vmware
22:05 <spidey> then it can pwn the virtual machine all it wants
22:05 <luke-jr> "once"
22:05 <spidey> cause i won't have to reboot
22:05 <luke-jr> spidey: VM won't do 3D
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22:05 <spidey> sure it will
22:05 <spidey> it did tron
22:05 <luke-jr> TRON can work w/o 3D hardware
22:05 <spidey> heh
22:05 <spidey> well i can always try
22:06 <spidey> not like it'll hurt anything
22:06 <luke-jr> yeah
22:06  * luke-jr watches it crash the main PC even in VMWare :p
22:06 <spidey> oh hell no
22:06 <spidey> i'm not trying
22:06 <spidey> :/
22:06 <luke-jr> lol
22:06 <spidey> actually i am
22:06 <spidey> i need a excuse to install vmware
22:06 <luke-jr> vmware sux
22:06 <luke-jr> :p
22:07 <spidey> so do you, but do we complain? :D
22:07 <Vanhayes> yes, yes we do
22:07 <spidey> good point
22:08 <spidey> well this sucks
22:08 <spidey> i have about 20gigs free
22:08 <spidey> total
22:08 <spidey> out of 123gigs
22:09 <ghableska> ...
22:09 <spidey> ..
22:09 <ghableska> .
22:09 <Vanhayes> ..
22:09 <spidey> ...
22:09 <Vanhayes> so, anyone want to play?
22:10 <ghableska> maybe in around 30 minutes
22:10 <spidey> hmm
22:10 <spidey> gimme 30 minutes to
22:10 <Vanhayes> o
22:10 <spidey> it'll take me that long to install windows
22:10 <spidey> heh
22:10 <Vanhayes> ok*
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22:14 <spidey> hmm
22:14 <spidey> i'ma rob windows of resources
22:14 <spidey> :D
22:15 <Durka> play what...
22:15 <spidey> nothing
22:15 <ghableska> #roulette
22:15 <armabot> ghableska: *click*
22:15 <spidey> it doesn't have instant chats, or text-color support
22:17 <ghableska> Vanhayes: make that 40 minutes :P
22:18 <spidey> Vanhayes, make that 40 minutes
22:18 <Vanhayes> ok
22:18 <Vanhayes> spidey: copier
22:18 <ghableska> haha
22:18 <spidey> Vanhayes, copier
22:18 <ghableska> spidey
22:18 <spidey> spidey
22:19 <Durka> spidey
22:19 <spidey> WTF DO YOU PEOPLE WANT!?
22:19 <DrJoeTron> i'll play schorch3d later tonight
22:19 <Durka> WTF DO YOU PEOPLE WANT!?
22:19 <spidey> die
22:19  * Durka gives up
22:20  * spidey gives Durka up
22:20 <spidey> for adoption
22:20 <spidey> brb
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22:22 <Durka> *** spidey has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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22:23 <Durka> *** spidey has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection
22:23 <spidey> no shit?
22:25 <Durka> *** spidey has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection
22:25 <Durka> brb
22:25 <spidey> ..
22:25 <Durka> *** Durka has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:26 <spidey> ..
22:27 -!- spidey is now known as luke-jr_
22:27 <luke-jr_> baka
22:27 -!- luke-jr_ is now known as spidey
22:30 <Compn> #serverinfo cafe
22:31 <armabot> Compn: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): Kamakazi, wrtlprnft |mbc|, |AST| }{Alex}{
22:31 <spidey> fuck the cannot format this drive error
22:31 <spidey> i'll just delete everything :D
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22:45 <Durka> #hello
22:46 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Police up your spare rounds and frags. Don't leave nothin' for the dinks. || - Willem Dafoe in "Platoon"
22:46 <Durka> #insult spidey
22:46 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but an impure assload of jarring gizzards.
22:46 <spidey> noob
22:46 <Durka> #insult noob
22:46 <armabot> noob - You are nothing but a coughed-up bucket of onion-eyed user.
22:46 <Durka> #insult armabot
22:46 <armabot> armabot - You are nothing but an ill-borne thimbleful of spur-galled cat.
22:46 <spidey> takes a real noob to need a bot to insult someone
22:47 <Durka> roflamo
22:47  * Durka loves spidey (not in a homo way)
22:47 <spidey> fag
22:48 <spidey> i should pretend i didn't see (not in a homo way) and add the rest to armabot quote
22:48 <spidey> :D
22:52 <Vanhayes> thats called lying
22:52 <Vanhayes> or slander, maybe
22:53 <spidey> how do you know it's a lie?
22:53 <spidey> besides  the fact i just said i would
22:53 <GodTodd> nah...written is libel....and that wouldn't be libel because he *did* type it
22:53 <Vanhayes> mis quoting then
22:53 <GodTodd> yeah...but that's not a crime ;)
22:54 <spidey> lol
22:54 <spidey> so like
22:54 <spidey> will we ever play trackmania again?
22:54 <spidey> or can i delete this tmndedicated server i backed up?
22:55 <Vanhayes> well I got bored of it pretty quick
22:55 <spidey> heh
22:55 <spidey> bored of it?
22:55 <spidey> or the tracks?
22:55 <spidey> joe mom and me made some good tracks
22:56 <spidey> hells it was full alot
22:56 <Vanhayes> if they add long colourful tails to the ends of the cars I might play again
22:56  * GodTodd really isn't into racing games....got burnt out with pole position
22:56 <spidey> lol
22:56 <spidey> that's kinda like me and halo
22:56 <spidey> except i was raping everyone in the server
22:56 <GodTodd> fag
22:57 <spidey> halo gets boring because the weapons don't have recoil
22:57 <spidey> so it's like
22:57 <spidey> "if i can keep this indicator on him i'll win"
22:57 <spidey> i like the other fps cause you can't just aim and continually fire, you have to actually try o.O
22:58 <spidey> now
22:58 <spidey> #time
22:58 <armabot> spidey: 11:01 PM, December 09, 2006
22:58 <spidey> ok
22:58 <spidey> so lets see how long windows takes to install in vmware :)
22:59 <Vanhayes> bbiab
22:59 <GodTodd> w00t...gots me a A in c++
22:59 <ghableska> Vanhayes: ready
23:00 <spidey> stfu u
23:00 <GodTodd> suck my dick
23:00 <GodTodd> :)
23:00 <ghableska> -_-
23:00 <spidey> since when did females have a dick?
23:00 <ghableska> hahah
23:01 <GodTodd> didn't know they did....why, did you grow one?
23:01 <spidey> heh
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23:01 <spidey> you must be refering to luke-jr
23:03 <GodTodd> no...i didn't say the word "moron" at all
23:04 <spidey> good point
23:04 <spidey> anyways, why aren't you at work....you know hookers have to work to keep there turf
23:05 <GodTodd> nope, i didn't...you get into many 'turf wars'?
23:05 <mkzelda> do I come to your job and slap the dick out of your mouth?
23:05 <spidey> ..
23:06 <mkzelda> .
23:06 <spidey> ..
23:06 <mkzelda> ...
23:06 <GodTodd> .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................
23:06 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:06 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 50.0°F (3:54 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa.
23:06 -!- spidey is now known as luke-jr_
23:06 <luke-jr_> GodTodd, baka
23:06 <mkzelda> nice
23:06 -!- luke-jr_ is now known as spidey
23:06 <wrtlprnft> ·
23:07 <ghableska> O_o
23:07 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
23:07 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 52.0°F (4:07 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: 10.4°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa.
23:07 <mkzelda> #weather 27601
23:07 <spidey> #weather 38256
23:07 <wrtlprnft> go ghostkick each other!
23:07 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Yates Mill Pond, Raleigh, North Carolina is 39.6°F (5:07 PM EST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa.
23:07 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 48.0°F (4:07 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029.0 hPa.
23:07 <spidey> #time
23:07 <armabot> spidey: 11:10 PM, December 09, 2006
23:07 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
23:07 <GodTodd> bunch of fucking weather geeks
23:07 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Lizard Lick / Glory Rd NC, Wendell, North Carolina is 38.5°F (5:05 PM EST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa.
23:07 <GodTodd> heh
23:07 <spidey> 9 minutes
23:07 <spidey> and i'm halfway through with the install
23:08 <mkzelda> weird it comes up with different names for the location
23:08 <ghableska> no.
23:08 <mkzelda> it did not at all say lizard lick / glory rd last few times ive done that
23:08 <mkzelda> or wendell
23:08 <wrtlprnft> who cares about the weather anyways?
23:08 <mkzelda> it said raleigh
23:08 <GodTodd> how the fuck does a place get a name like lizard lick?
23:08 <GodTodd> wait...i don't wanna know
23:08 <mkzelda> ya, i dont even know where that is
23:08 <mkzelda> and thats my zip
23:08 <ghableska> because of the kind of people that live there
23:08 <mkzelda> its not wendell
23:08 <ghableska> #cnn 27545
23:09 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Raleigh, NC is 47.0°F. Conditions: Partly Sunny. Humidity: 23%. Wind: SW at 10 mph (16 km/h).
23:09 <mkzelda> its also not raleigh, like it normally says
23:09 <spidey> #cnn 38256
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #cnn r2c 4m1
23:09 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 46.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Sunny. Humidity: 19%. Wind: W at 7 mph (11 km/h).
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No such location could be found.
23:09 <mkzelda> and is it 47 or 38.5
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #cnn r2c4m1
23:09 <mkzelda> heh
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No such location could be found.
23:09 <ghableska> lol wrtlprnft
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #cnn winnipeg, mb
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No such location could be found.
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #cnn winnipeg, manitoba, canada
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No such location could be found.
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #cnn winnipeg, canada
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No such location could be found.
23:09 <wrtlprnft> stupid!
23:09 <ghableska> #weather Winnipeg
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #cnn winnipeg, manitoba
23:09 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Winnipeg, Manitoba is 28.4°F (4:00 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa.
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The current temperature in Winnipeg, Manitoba is 30.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Wind: W at 4 mph (6 km/h).
23:09 <mkzelda> why does #weather say something 9 degrees different than #cnn
23:09 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:09 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 50.0°F (3:54 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa.
23:09 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
23:10 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 51.0°F. Conditions: Sunny. Humidity: 36%. Wind: S at 13 mph (21 km/h).
23:10 <GodTodd> different weather stations
23:10  * wrtlprnft can't use °F
23:10 <mkzelda> weather channel says 41
23:10 <ghableska> grr, mine is never updated
23:10 <mkzelda> #weather 33901
23:10 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Fort Myers, Florida is 69.8°F (4:53 PM EST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa.
23:11 <mkzelda> :/, that'd be nice
23:11 <GodTodd> #weather mesa AZ
23:11 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Western Mesa, AZ, Mesa, Arizona is 71.8°F (3:10 PM MST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa.
23:11 <ghableska> #weather Ulaanbaatar
23:11 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia is -9.4°F (6:00 AM ULAT on December 10, 2006). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -14.8°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa.
23:11 <ghableska> heh
23:11 <GodTodd> #weather 88310
23:11 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Holloman AFB, New Mexico is 50.0°F (2:55 PM MST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Windchill: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa.
23:12 <mkzelda> that was a terrible movie
23:12 <spidey> #cnn GodTodds' secret gay place
23:12 <ghableska> ?
23:12 <armabot> spidey: Error: No such location could be found.
23:12 <GodTodd> what was?
23:12 <mkzelda> HollowMan
23:12 <ghableska> spidey: it's hidden
23:12 <GodTodd> heh
23:12 <spidey> indeed
23:12 <ghableska> that's why it's secret
23:12 <mkzelda> theres that part where he's invisible so the fire doesn't see him
23:12 <spidey> ahh
23:12 <GodTodd> nah...it's right next to big gay al's place
23:13 <GodTodd> have to have someplace for spidey to hang out, you know
23:13 <spidey> GodTodd, leave luke-jr out of this
23:13 <GodTodd> again...not once did i say anything about a moron
23:14 <spidey> hm
23:14 <spidey> anyways
23:14 <spidey> #time
23:14 <armabot> spidey: 11:17 PM, December 09, 2006
23:14 <spidey> if this isntall finishes in 4 minutes
23:14 <GodTodd> 16 min in years
23:14 <spidey> it'll have taken me 20 minutes to install windows
23:14 <spidey> in a virtual machine
23:14 <GodTodd> oops
23:14 <GodTodd> heh
23:14 <GodTodd> #g 16 min in years
23:15 <armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:15 <GodTodd> fucker
23:15 <GodTodd> #g 16 minutes in years
23:15 <armabot> GodTodd: 16 minutes = 3.04212141 * 10^(-5) years
23:15 <spidey> #g 1 day in years
23:15 <armabot> spidey: 1 day = 0.00273790926 years
23:15 <spidey> #g 3.04212141 * 10^(-5) years
23:15 <armabot> spidey: 3.04212141 * (10^(-5)) * years = 16 minutes
23:15 <GodTodd> #g .00273790926 *365.25
23:15 <armabot> GodTodd: .00273790926 * 365.25 = 1.00002136
23:15 <spidey> heh
23:16 <spidey> #time
23:16 <armabot> spidey: 11:18 PM, December 09, 2006
23:16 <spidey> woot
23:16 <spidey> i installed windows in
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 kg/s/C
23:16 <spidey> 17 minutes
23:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:16 <spidey> in a virtual machine
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 kg/second/Coulomb
23:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:16 <spidey> i'ma see if linux can beat that time
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 kg/second/Coulomb * 1
23:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 ((kg / second) / coulomb) * 1 = 1 tesla
23:16 <wrtlprnft> there we go
23:16 <wrtlprnft> stupid thing
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 kg/s/C * 1
23:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 ((kg / s) / C) * 1 = 1 tesla
23:16 <wrtlprnft> ah, that would have been sufficient as well
23:16 <mkzelda> spidey: xp?
23:17 <spidey> mkzelda, yes
23:17 <GodTodd> thought spidey would be a vista boy
23:17 <spidey> ...
23:17 <GodTodd> lick some bill gates balls
23:18 <spidey> if i use vista it won't be a legal version
23:18 <mkzelda> im putting gentoo on my ultrasparc :o)
23:18 <spidey> only reason i got a legal version of winxp is because it came with my pc when i bought it
23:18 <GodTodd> i take great pride in having never bought a version of windows other than preinstalled crap
23:19 <mkzelda> i've only aquired pre-installed crap from other ppl's computers when they ditch'em
23:19 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: why would you ever buy a version of windows? if you buy a computer you get windows, and if a new version of it comes out your old box won'd be capable of running it anyways
23:20 <wrtlprnft> *buy a license
23:20 <spidey> wow
23:20 <GodTodd> what chaps my hide is that i'll probably have to have at least one box running Vomita just so that i can be competent on the shit
23:20 <spidey> my vm is already fragmented
23:20 <GodTodd> wrtlprnft: when i get a new computer (other than this laptop) it comes with nothing on it :P
23:21 <wrtlprnft> but then you don't want windows anyways
23:21 <ghableska> O_O
23:21 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm
23:21 <mkzelda> btw, if you want a better xp, snag "2 Fast XP SE" or some other modified ISOs that strip out all the bullshit, disable BS services, and slipstream all the windows updates
23:21 <spidey> wrtlprnft, that's so not true
23:21 <GodTodd> well...i haven't taken the time to set up any linux boxes yet :/
23:21 <spidey> i got a box built in '98 that came with win98
23:21 <spidey> guess what
23:21 <spidey> it's running winxp
23:21 <spidey> just fine
23:21 <spidey> 375mhz p2 and 64mb ram
23:22 <mkzelda> ya ive got it on a 233mhz laptop
23:22 <mkzelda> 128mb ram
23:22 <GodTodd> yeah...i had a 300 running xp pro
23:22 <GodTodd> it even dual booted xp and redhat
23:22 <GodTodd> still is
23:22 <GodTodd> it's at the inlaws
23:22 <wrtlprnft> must be fun to do anything with that
23:22 <spidey> ??
23:22 <spidey> it runs fine
23:22 <spidey> i rdp it all the time
23:23 <spidey> if i had my router hooked up i'd let you rdp it and see
23:23 <spidey> :p
23:23 <mkzelda> its fine as long as you're not trying to game on it
23:23 <spidey> who would game on a 300 anyways?
23:23 <mkzelda> Exactly
23:23 <GodTodd> yeah the laptop dual booting is just for guest internet access
23:23 <mkzelda> although i used to play the original Unreal on my 233mhz and it ran GREAT
23:23 <mkzelda> i had a 12mb voodoo2
23:24 <mkzelda> glide was sweet
23:24 <spidey> lol
23:24 <wrtlprnft> > "It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters," he said.
23:24 <wrtlprnft> LOL
23:24 <ghableska> xX
23:24 <mkzelda> no doubt
23:25 <GodTodd> except when you have a small dick...then your OS has to keep taking more resources with each release
23:25 <ghableska> lol
23:25 <GodTodd> bill gates actually has a huge dick
23:25 <GodTodd> too bad it's up his ass
23:25 <spidey> ...
23:26 <ghableska> how do you know this?
23:26 <GodTodd> internet
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23:27 <mkzelda> If you have a pencil dick you can put it in the clit
23:27 <mkzelda> according to spidey
23:27 <GodTodd> put it *in* the clit
23:27 <GodTodd> hmmm
23:27 <spidey> ....
23:27 <mkzelda> haha
23:27 <GodTodd> wouldn't that involve an incision or something?
23:28 <mkzelda> i dunno, are pencil dicks sharp enough?
23:28 <mkzelda> spidey?
23:28 <mkzelda> :D
23:28 <GodTodd> needle dicks might be
23:29 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma is going to spend next semester poking guys with something long and thin
23:29 <GodTodd> ask him
23:30 <ghableska> -_-
23:30 <spidey> i love how i get faster downloads in the vm
23:31 <spidey> i'm getting 430kb/s+
23:31 <spidey> i shouldn't get over 380kb/s
23:31 <GodTodd> it's probably reporting it wrong
23:31 <GodTodd> heh
23:34 <mkzelda> it'll be funny when the channel stats uses exerpts of this convo
23:35 <ghableska> haha
23:41 <spidey> luke-jr,it;s rybbubg scircged
23:41 <spidey> wiw
23:41 <spidey> WOW
23:42 <spidey> goddamn it
23:42 <spidey> luke-jr, it's running scortched
23:42 <spidey> ghableska, ping
23:42 <spidey> ping ping ping
23:43 <spidey> ghableska, Vanhayes ?
23:46 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by ChanServ
23:46 <+spidey> ...
23:46 <GodTodd> spidey> luke-jr,it;s rybbubg scircged
23:46 <luke-jr> wtf
23:46 <luke-jr> stfu
23:47 <+spidey> it's called
23:47 <+spidey> not looking at the keyboard
23:47 <GodTodd> spidey> luke-jr,it;s rybbubg scircged
23:47 <+spidey> and starting off with the wrong key
23:47 <+spidey> luke-jr, vmware runs 3-d apps :)
23:47 <GodTodd> does not
23:47 <+spidey> does so
23:47 <GodTodd> luke says it doesn't so that's the truth
23:47 <+spidey> want a fuckin screenshot?
23:48 <luke-jr> lol
23:48 <wrtlprnft> well, you can always have software rendering
23:48 <wrtlprnft> though i read something about vmware supporting opengl or sometrhing
23:48 <GodTodd> luke says it doesn't so that's the truth
23:49 <+spidey> i just need
23:49 <+spidey> someone to try to join my server, so i can see how it actually runs
23:49 <+spidey> ghableska, Vanhayes ping
23:50 <GodTodd> spidey> luke-jr,it;s rybbubg scircged
23:50 <+spidey> /ignore GodTodd
23:50 <ghableska> spidey
23:50 <+spidey> ghableska, try to join 68.119.125.251
23:50 <+spidey> on scortched
23:50 <ghableska> ok
23:50 <wrtlprnft> 23:41 <spidey> luke-jr,it;s rybbubg scircged
23:51 <ghableska> O_o
23:51 <ghableska> connection failed :P
23:51 <+spidey> hmm
23:51 <+spidey> i'll have to run it outside the vm
23:51 <+spidey> sec
23:52 <+spidey> ok
23:52 <+spidey> try now
23:52 <ghableska> no
23:53 <ghableska> :P
23:54 <+spidey> ...
23:54 <ghableska> I have to do my...homework first
23:54 <+spidey> ;/
23:55 <ghableska> :D
23:55 <ghableska> it works, btw
23:55 <+spidey> i saw
23:57 <+spidey> ...
23:57 <+spidey> ghableska, does it keep loading the map
23:57 <+spidey> over and over?
23:57 <+spidey> oh
23:58 <+spidey> you left, that's why
23:58 <+spidey> where's hayes o.O
23:59 <+spidey> ok
23:59 <+spidey> well halo time
23:59 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:59 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!

Log from 2006-12-10:
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00:02 -!- pavelo [n=pavelo@unimatrix0.ubyt.sdjls.uniba.sk] has quit []
00:03 <GodTodd> spidey> luke-jr,it;s rybbubg scircged
00:03 <ghableska> spidey: are you trying to talk like bush?
00:03 <Vanhayes> spidey: PONG
00:03 <ghableska> lol
00:04 <Vanhayes> spidey: did you pay for halo?
00:04 <ghableska> knowing him, no.
00:04 <Vanhayes> ya, probly not
00:05 <ghableska> probably got it off a torrent or something? :P
00:05 <DrJoeTron> what
00:05 <DrJoeTron> who shot who in the what now?
00:05 <ghableska> no
00:06 <luke-jr> spidey shot DrJoeTron in the thy
00:06 <DrJoeTron> ass hole
00:06 <Vanhayes> thigh?
00:06 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:07 <ghableska> spidey tried to shoot DrJoeTron but was holding the gun backwards
00:07 <Vanhayes> thats believable
00:07 <ghableska> "Hey, what's this hole here?" *BOOM*
00:07 <DrJoeTron> is spidey silenced or something?
00:08 <GodTodd> spidey shot luke in the eye...without a gun
00:08 <ghableska> haha
00:08 <Vanhayes> eww
00:08 <ghableska> spidey is playing halo
00:08 <DrJoeTron> eww
00:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
00:08 <DrJoeTron> thats a kickable offense
00:08 <@luke-jr> is it?
00:08 <ghableska> luke-jr: ...
00:08 <@luke-jr> lol
00:08 <DrJoeTron> it aught to be :)
00:09 <DrJoeTron> give me operator priveledges
00:09 <@luke-jr> hmm
00:09 <@luke-jr> I think I'll let him off with a warning :p
00:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-oo luke-jr MaZuffeR] by luke-jr
00:09 <ghableska> o.0
00:11 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
00:11 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o ghableska] by luke-jr
00:11 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
00:12 <DrJoeTron> who is this kvarchil character
00:12 <luke-jr> ask armabot
00:12 <luke-jr> #cybord kvarchil
00:13 <kvarchil> whaa?
00:13 <luke-jr> #cyborg kvarchil
00:13 <armabot> luke-jr: K.V.A.R.C.H.I.L.: Kinetic Versatile Android Responsible for Calculation, Harm and Immediate Learning
00:13 <luke-jr> oooh immediate learning
00:13 <luke-jr> I still say it's the KDE variable for chili
00:13 <luke-jr> :p
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00:20  * mkzelda just laughed so hard rode his lollerskates to his roflcopter and flew to see lmao tse tung
00:23 -!- Arma17 [n=Arma17@cpe-76-167-221-172.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
00:23 -!- Arma17 is now known as Durka
00:23 <Durka> #hello
00:23 <Durka> #insult armabot
00:23 <armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a left-over coagulation of unmuzzled entrails.
00:23 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Q: How do you shoot a blue elephant? || A: With a blue-elephant gun. || Q: How do you shoot a pink elephant? || A: Twist its trunk until it turns blue, then shoot it with || a blue-elephant gun.
00:24 <mkzelda> thats good to know
00:24 <Durka> lol hi dook
00:24 <mkzelda> hi
00:24 <Durka> register on our site if you want - http://tui.owns.it
00:24 <mkzelda> haha i knew that was coming
00:25 <Durka> :)
00:25 <mkzelda> im not a forum kind of person
00:25 <Durka> k :)
00:25 <Durka> it don't matter
00:25 <mkzelda> i'll do it, but just be aware i wont use it
00:26 <mkzelda> theres about 10 forums i would be inclined to post on and my post count is not higher than 10 on any of them
00:27 <mkzelda> on my own site i've prolly posted no more than 100 times in a few years
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00:28 <Durka> lol
00:28 <mkzelda> haha, the image to prevent bots gave me "RIFART"
00:29 <Durka> lol
00:29 <Durka> its just so we can contact u and keep u intouch
00:29 <Durka> check it like once every other week or so :)
00:29 <mkzelda> ill try
00:30 <mkzelda> how silly, on the signup page it has an edit signature button but it asks you to log in
00:31 <Durka> ?
00:31 <Durka> lol
00:31 <Durka> o
00:31 <Durka> :)
00:31 <DrJoeTron> stop scaring mom away
00:32 <mkzelda> uhhh
00:32 <mkzelda> Failed sending email :: PHP ::
00:32 <mkzelda> DEBUG MODE
00:32 <mkzelda> Line : 234
00:32 <mkzelda> File : emailer.php
00:32 <mkzelda> it took me 3 tries to get the OCR text anti-bot image correct
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> ;http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=210826&cid=17173470[Pppp-------=\
00:32 <mkzelda> then that
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> \
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> \
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> \
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> "\]
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> "?
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> "
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> "[]
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> ?";/
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> ?['
00:33 <mkzelda> I just love it when Lucifer_arma says that to me
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00:36 <Durka> o ya that thing
00:36 <Durka> ignore it
00:36 <Durka> there's something wrong in the emailer.php file
00:36 <Durka> i can't find it =/
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00:40 <mkzelda> haha, i posted
00:42 <mkzelda> oh now i notice the naming scheme
00:42 <mkzelda> :/
00:42 <mkzelda> i wish i had picked something similar
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00:54 <+spidey> no
00:54 <+spidey> i didn't pay for it
00:54 <+spidey> my brother did
00:55 <+spidey> if it was me i'd grab 3-4 keys and when someone's online with one key i switch keys until i find one someone's not using
00:55 <+spidey> Lucifer_arma, DrJoeTron Vanhayes ping
00:56 <+spidey> PING YOU FUXZ0RS!
00:56 <+spidey> :D
00:59 <luke-jr> ...
01:00 <+spidey> no body talking to you
01:01 <+spidey> go away
01:02 <+spidey> i <3 my desktop
01:08 <+spidey> durka
01:08 <+spidey> there's nothing wrong with emailer.php
01:09 <+spidey> that error means you don't have a stmp server running on the phpbb2 host
01:09 <+spidey> and/or the stmp address you supplied is invalid/doesn't work
01:09  * spidey had that problem for a while
01:09 <+spidey> 'er he left
01:14 <luke-jr> it's fscking SMTP idiot
01:16 <+spidey> w/e
01:22  * MaZuffeR waits for ghableska to go crazy and kickban everyone
01:26 <+spidey> MaZuffeR, care to help with photoshop? :
01:26 <+spidey> :p
01:26 <MaZuffeR> what you need help with?
01:26 <+spidey> or DrJoeTron ping
01:26 <+spidey> well
01:27 <+spidey> i can't figure out why the filters aren't working
01:27 <+spidey> eg
01:27 <+spidey> new page => gradient fill => filters don't work
01:27 <+spidey> i can't remember what i did to make them work with the background i'm using now
01:29 <MaZuffeR> change the mode to rgb color
01:30 <+spidey> hmm?
01:31 <MaZuffeR> image > mode > rgb
01:31 <+spidey> it is rgb
01:32 <MaZuffeR> oh, idk what's wrong then
01:32 <+spidey> :(
01:35 <Vanhayes> spidey: PONG, and stop making words up, or at least stop making stupid words up
01:36 <+spidey> ...
01:37 <Vanhayes> unless you think "FUXZORS" is a real word
01:38 <DrJoeTron> what
01:38 <Vanhayes> oh ya, what did you want?
01:38 <+spidey> to late
01:38 <+spidey> was gonna play scortched
01:38 <+spidey> but i'm playing with photoshop
01:38 <DrJoeTron> ok
01:38 <+spidey> DrJoeTron, help me with my filters :D
01:38 <Vanhayes> are you winning?
01:38 <DrJoeTron> shit man
01:38 <DrJoeTron> all you need is lens flare
01:39 <DrJoeTron> and put it on EVERYTHING
01:39 <+spidey> ?
01:39 <DrJoeTron> and everyone wil know you're a pro!
01:39 <DrJoeTron> oh add gradients too
01:39 <+spidey> ....
01:39 <DrJoeTron> with horrible colors
01:39 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508717A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
01:39 <DrJoeTron> like brown and pink
01:39 <DrJoeTron> add FLAMES
01:42 <+spidey> w/e
01:45 <@ghableska> #weather 50265
01:45 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 42.8°F (5:54 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa.
01:45 <DrJoeTron> fuck with the filters and see what happens
01:45 <DrJoeTron> but try not to depend on them
01:45 <@ghableska> MaZuffeR!
01:45 <+spidey> ....
01:45  * ghableska goes crazy
01:45 <+spidey> that's not what i was talking about
01:46  * ghableska is not sure how to kickban everyone
01:46 <@ghableska> spidey: why not get GIMP? :P
01:46 <DrJoeTron> photoshop is cooler
01:46 <@ghableska> well, if you're spidey, they're both free
01:46 <DrJoeTron> or me
01:46 <Vanhayes> free is pretty nice
01:47 <+spidey> i don't understand :/
01:47 <DrJoeTron> i think im going to play CS:S for the first time in 4 months
01:48 <+spidey> the filters work when i do a solid fill
01:48 <+spidey> but when i do a gradient they don't
01:48 <DrJoeTron> what are you trying to do?
01:48 <+spidey> nothing really
01:48 <DrJoeTron> some filters just dont work well on some things
01:48 <+spidey> i wanna use a gradient and play with filters
01:48 <+spidey> they worked last time
01:48 <+spidey> i made a wallpaper :D
01:49 <DrJoeTron> then you're doing something wrong
01:49 <@ghableska> DrJoeTron: css?
01:49 <DrJoeTron> counter strike : source
01:49 <@ghableska> ...
01:49 <@ghableska> I know that
01:49 <@ghableska> I wasn't sure if it was source or the first one.. :P
01:49 <DrJoeTron> i have yet to try out the new dynamic weapons system
01:50 <DrJoeTron> wepaon lists*
01:50 <DrJoeTron> weapon*
01:50 <DrJoeTron> the prices change every week
01:50 <DrJoeTron> ghableska do you have steam?
01:50 <@ghableska> yes
01:51 <@ghableska> ...
01:52 <DrJoeTron> whats your steam id :)
01:53 <DrJoeTron> sorry i was running the video test
01:53 <DrJoeTron> in the past 2 years hl2 has been out
01:53 <DrJoeTron> i went from 65fps to 52fps
01:53 <@ghableska> guess :P
01:53 <DrJoeTron> stop updating it guys :(
01:53 <DrJoeTron> haha
01:54 <DrJoeTron> added :)
01:54 <@ghableska> ok :)
01:54 <DrJoeTron> i bet you'll never guess mine :p
01:54 <DrJoeTron> bbl
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01:55 <@ghableska> hi mom
01:56 <@ghableska> er
01:56 <+spidey> ok i give up
01:57 <+spidey> Lucifer_arma, ghableska Vanhayes scortched?
01:57 <Vanhayes> thats the spirit
01:57 <@ghableska> how do I un-ops myself? :P
01:57 <Vanhayes> kick spidey before you do
01:57 <Vanhayes> its tradition
01:57 <@ghableska> O_o
01:57 <+spidey>    /mode #armagetron -o ghableska
01:57 <@ghableska> who made me ops, anyway?
01:57 <+spidey> lke
01:57 <+spidey> luke
01:57 <@ghableska> ike?
01:57 <@ghableska> Oh.
01:57 <Vanhayes> 1l
01:57 <@ghableska> luke-jr: ...
01:57 -!- ghableska was kicked from #Armagetron by ghableska [Kick]
01:58 <Vanhayes> ...
01:58 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
01:58 <Vanhayes> wd
01:58 <ghableska> you can kick yourself?
01:58 <ghableska> O_o
01:58 <Vanhayes> ghableska has kicked ghableska from #Armagetron (Kick)
01:58 <ghableska> lol
01:58 <ghableska> I thought it wouldn't let me...
01:59 <Vanhayes> heh, thought wrong
01:59 <Vanhayes> spidey: ya scortched sounds good
01:59 <ghableska> I might play later on tonight
01:59 <ghableska> not now though
02:00 <+spidey> gimme a sec
02:00 <Vanhayes> hmmm, actually spidey what is yourkey for Halo
02:00 <ghableska> haha
02:00 <+spidey> fuck you
02:00 <ghableska> Vanhayes: find a keygen :P
02:01 <Vanhayes> heh
02:01 <Vanhayes> worth a try
02:01 <Vanhayes> meh ill do it later
02:01 <+spidey> they don't have keygens
02:01 <+spidey> not for the new version
02:01 <Vanhayes> halo 1 or 2?
02:01 <+spidey> halo2 isn't on pc
02:02 <Vanhayes> oh ya
02:02 <+spidey> not yet
02:02 <+spidey> and when it is it will be vista only
02:02 <Vanhayes> lame
02:02 <+spidey> which i'll be using vista
02:02 <Vanhayes> I dont feel like shelling out money for something I dont want or need
02:02 <+spidey> maybe
02:02 <+spidey> who pays for windows?
02:03 <Vanhayes> hmm actually I probly wouldnt be the onw paying for it
02:03 <Vanhayes> anyways, spidey want to play scortched?
02:03 <+spidey> yea, gimme a sec
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02:23 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:23 <+spidey> Compn,
02:23 <+spidey> Vanhayes,
02:23 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 42.8°F (6:54 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa.
02:23 <+spidey> ready?
02:23 <Vanhayes> sure
02:23 <+spidey> k gimme a sec
02:23 <+spidey> gotta start vmware and stuff
02:23 <DrJoeTron> halo2 is crap
02:23 <Vanhayes> are you running it?
02:23 <+spidey> yea
02:24 <Vanhayes> ok, heh set it so we get more money, and apoc mode
02:24 <+spidey> eh
02:25 <+spidey> ANYWAYS
02:25 <+spidey> hold on, vm is starting
02:25 <+spidey> this way it'll crash the vm and i don't have to reboot ;x
02:25 <+spidey> if it crashes
02:27 <+spidey> ok server's start
02:27 <+spidey> my ip is
02:27 <+spidey>  68.119.125.251
02:28 <DrJoeTron> hey look Your_mom_arma
02:28 <DrJoeTron> is back
02:32 <Your_mom_arma> i am?
02:34 <+spidey> shit
02:34 <+spidey> sec hayes
02:36 <DrJoeTron> looks like it
02:36 <DrJoeTron> i told durka to stop scaring you away
02:37 <DrJoeTron> i dont think he heard me
02:40 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:52 <GodTodd> wow...that was pretty damn snazzy
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02:53 <DrJoeTron> you know, sonic spinball couldve been done so much better
02:54 <ghableska> O_o
03:00 <+spidey> stupid thing
03:00 <+spidey> :/
03:00 <+spidey> don't minimize the game...
03:00 <+spidey> you guys leave?
03:00 <Vanhayes> I did
03:00 <Vanhayes> ill bbiab
03:00 <Your_mom_arma> tvan self destructs destoying half the areana then he quits
03:00 <Vanhayes> like an hoiur
03:00 <Vanhayes> heh
03:00 <+spidey> self destruct?
03:00 <Vanhayes> I used the apocalyspe bomb
03:00 <+spidey> lol
03:00 <Your_mom_arma> i was going to rush up to van and do the same thing too
03:01 <Vanhayes> at about 85 degree angle by mistake
03:01 <Vanhayes> so up it goes, then boom, half the map is gone
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> thaha
03:01 <+spidey> lol
03:01 <Vanhayes> the half with me on it, you guys' half was pretty much intaked
03:01 <Vanhayes> anyways ill be back
03:02  * GodTodd just watched the shuttle launch. :)
03:02 <+spidey> it's over already?? damn...isn't there something else you could watch for a bit? :p
03:03 <GodTodd> it was much snazzier than the daytime launches
03:03 <+spidey> what? only being heh
03:04 <+spidey> brb
03:04 <GodTodd> only being?
03:04 <GodTodd> wtf?
03:04 <+spidey> erm
03:04 <+spidey> i was gonna typing something
03:04 <+spidey> thought i backspaced it all
03:04 <+spidey> heh
03:04 <+spidey> brb
03:12 <+spidey> back
03:12 <+spidey> i need to learn to not finalize my cd's
03:12 <+spidey> so i can add stuff to them
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03:21 <luke-jr> ghableska: ...
03:25 <ghableska> luke-jr...
03:27 <luke-jr> hi
03:27 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTr0n: ...
03:28 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: 1tpd 7 min remaining
03:39 <+spidey> vangaynus....
03:44 <DrJoeTr0n> hm?
03:57 <Vanhayes> anyone playinf scortched?
03:57 <Vanhayes> playing*
03:57 <Vanhayes> #time
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: 04:00 AM, December 10, 2006
03:57 <+spidey> heh
03:58 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: I doubt wrtlprnft is still up
03:59 <+spidey> 4am = prime  time
04:00 <Vanhayes> 4 am is my absolute cut off time for civ
04:00 <Vanhayes> thats when I turn off the power
04:04 <+spidey> lol
04:09 <+spidey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Y9Lxgpms0
04:13 <luke-jr> spidey: wanna finish that game?
04:13 <+spidey> ?
04:13 <+spidey> which?
04:19 <Your_mom_arma> hi
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04:29 <luke-jr> spidey: the last one we were playing
04:29 <+spidey> need luci
04:42 <+spidey> luke-jr, ping
04:49 <luke-jr> ?
04:50 <luke-jr> you mean ping Lucifer_arma
04:51 <+spidey> no
04:51 <+spidey> luke-jr, you still got that old ssh password to fallin-angels.com ?
04:54 <luke-jr> ...
04:54 <luke-jr> I don't use passwords
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05:10  * ghableska rubs eyes
05:11  * ghableska just watched The Da Vinci Code.
05:25 <DrJoeTr0n> god the ps2 sucks for a dvd player
05:46 <ghableska> #weather 50265
05:46 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 39.2°F (9:54 PM CST on December 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 30.2°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa.
05:50 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
05:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 12:00 AM AST; Tonight - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Wind west 20 km/h becoming southwest 20 overnight. Temperature rising to plus 2 by morning.; Sunday - Cloudy with sunny periods. Wind southwest 20 km/h becoming west 30 gusting to 50 late (1 more message)
05:50 <Vanhayes> #more
05:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: in the morning. High plus 5. Sunday night..clearing. Wind west 30 km/h gusting to 50 becoming northwest 20 in the evening. Low minus 2.; Monday - Sunny. High plus 1.;
05:57 <DrJoeTr0n> #cnn 60016
05:57 <armabot> DrJoeTr0n: The current temperature in Des Plaines, IL is 34.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Wind: SW at 14 mph (23 km/h).
06:02 <Vanhayes> #night
06:02 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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06:22 <+spidey> http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8817/evilgirls1wb.jpg
06:24 <ghableska> hahaha
06:32 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: spidey
06:32 <luke-jr> poke
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06:55 <DrJoeTr0n> ding
06:56 <luke-jr> go away
06:56 <DrJoeTr0n> away go
07:10 <GodTodd> heh luke's an ass
07:10 <luke-jr> u
07:11 <GodTodd> v
07:11 <DrJoeTr0n> time to download season 2 of venture bros
07:12 <GodTodd> ok...amend that....luke's an ass that can't formulate a complete intelligent sentence in response to anyone
07:12 <GodTodd> :)
07:15 <luke-jr> u
07:15 <luke-jr> w
07:15 <luke-jr> x
07:15 <luke-jr> y
07:15 <luke-jr> z
07:16 <GodTodd> as well as not being aware of the correct alphabet
07:16 <DrJoeTr0n> looks like preschool was rough for you luke-jr
07:17 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
07:18 <DrJoeTr0n> rise up!
07:19 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o wejp_] by luke-jr
07:19 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
07:19 <DrJoeTr0n> dont make us ping guru3 smite you
07:19 <DrJoeTr0n> to* smite you
07:19 <luke-jr> hmm?
07:21 <DrJoeTr0n> spidey you take over the Most used words list
07:21 <DrJoeTr0n> lets see if you can form a sentence
07:24 <luke-jr> hm
07:25 <luke-jr> well, *I* got an EFIKA and you didn't
07:25 <luke-jr> so there :p
07:29 <DrJoeTr0n> give me it
07:30 <luke-jr> lol
07:30 <luke-jr> why?
07:30  * luke-jr isn't really using it for anything
07:30 <luke-jr> ...yet, anyhow
07:30 <DrJoeTr0n> gonna put it into an NES
07:31 <DrJoeTr0n> does it have onboard video?
07:31 <luke-jr> no
07:32 <luke-jr> I have a spare Radeon 9200 SE
07:32 <luke-jr> but I haven't a need for video on it
07:32 <luke-jr> so it's not plugged in
07:32 <luke-jr> and there's nothing to hold the card in place
07:33 <DrJoeTr0n> heh
07:33 <DrJoeTr0n> i have have a 9200se pci version
07:33 <luke-jr> then it'd be sticking up
07:33 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah
07:33 <luke-jr> the AGP adapter at least rotates the card 90 degrees
07:33 <DrJoeTr0n> so maybe id have to look for one of those weird ITX boards
07:34 <luke-jr> it's ATX
07:34 <DrJoeTr0n> the efika?
07:34 <luke-jr> yeah
07:34 <luke-jr> it needs a regular ATX power supply
07:34 <luke-jr> it doesn't include a HD either :p
07:34 <DrJoeTr0n> how big is it?
07:35 <DrJoeTr0n> it looks super tiny
07:35 <DrJoeTr0n> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/subscribe.asp?s=8
07:35 <DrJoeTr0n> is what i also might look at
07:36 <luke-jr> it could fit in the space of a CD-ROM drive
07:36 <DrJoeTr0n> hmmm
07:36 <luke-jr> w/o PSU and vid card
07:37 <luke-jr> HD doesn't add to the size significantly
07:37 <luke-jr> hehe, you could make it some kind of weird add-on server you put in a 5" slot :p
07:38 <luke-jr> actually...
07:38  * luke-jr claims the patent on this, or at least prior art
07:38 <luke-jr> Mac OS X virtualization for Windoze boxes :p
07:38 <luke-jr> run Mac OS X at native speed :p
07:38 <DrJoeTr0n> id just put laptop parts and just wedge it all in there
07:39 <luke-jr> :p
07:40 <DrJoeTr0n> http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/nespc/
07:41 <luke-jr> you could probably turn it into a NES :p
07:42 <luke-jr> SNES controllers have Linux support
07:42 <luke-jr> just add a cartridge interface
07:42 <luke-jr> install an emulator, etc
07:44 <DrJoeTr0n> hmm
07:44  * DrJoeTr0n checks zophar
07:45 <DrJoeTr0n> hmmm
07:46 <luke-jr> with the added bonus of compatibility w/ other platforms :p
07:46 <luke-jr> of course, it'd be real easy if you skip the cart interface and just use ROMs for everything
07:46 <luke-jr> or replace cart w/ a USB port for USB sticks
07:47 <luke-jr> you'd need to add serial ports if you wanted more than 1 controller
07:47 <luke-jr> can be done w/ a USB hub and USB->serial
07:48 <DrJoeTr0n> oh im aware
07:49 <DrJoeTr0n> so you're gonna give me it? :D
07:50 <luke-jr> heh
07:50 <luke-jr> no, but if you have the skill to make a nice game console out of it, you could probably get one :p
07:51 <luke-jr> http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/projects.php?project=300
07:51 <luke-jr> that's my project
07:51 <DrJoeTr0n> hmmm
08:03 <luke-jr> hm
08:03 <luke-jr> there already is a LinuxPPC PCI card :p
08:03 <luke-jr> http://www.killernic.com
08:03 <luke-jr> Linux box that runs in a PCI slot :p
08:07 <DrJoeTr0n> hah
08:19 <+spidey> ..
08:20 <luke-jr> ...
08:20 <luke-jr> hi spidey
08:20 <+spidey> wtf you want
08:20 <luke-jr> ...
08:22 <DrJoeTr0n> http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: pong
08:34 <+spidey> ...
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> ...
08:39 <luke-jr> http://www.agloco.com/r/BBBH2903
08:39 <luke-jr> (yes, that's a referral code :p)
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> (yes, this is me not clicking a link)
08:41 <luke-jr> heh
08:41 <luke-jr> I'd rather you than most people here, seeing as you use Linux
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08:58 <+spidey> #armaconfig
08:58 <armabot> spidey: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
08:59 <+spidey> #armaconfig rounds
08:59 <armabot> spidey: LIMIT_ROUNDS: End the match after this number of rounds (default: 10) || SP_LIMIT_ROUNDS: End the match after this number of rounds in single player mode (default: 10)
09:00 <luke-jr> spidey: BTW, let me know when you want me to sign up the site thing
09:00 <luke-jr> z-man: morning
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09:00 <+spidey> whenever it goes through
09:00 <+spidey> pm
09:00 <luke-jr> identify :p
09:01 <+spidey> yea ;/
09:01 <luke-jr> hehe
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09:47 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you missed your turn
09:47 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:47 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Okay, Marge, as long as we're traumatizing the kids, I have a scandalous || story of my own. || -- Homer Simpson || Another Simpsons Clip Show
09:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: not the first one i missed
09:47 <luke-jr> heh
09:47 <luke-jr> but spidey's playing now, you need to watch your back
09:47 <spidey> ...
09:47 <luke-jr> lol
09:48 <spidey> ok then
09:48 <spidey> we'll play that way
09:48 <spidey> if i refuse to ally you know why
09:48 <luke-jr> :x
09:48  * luke-jr allies w/ mog
09:48 <luke-jr> :p
09:48 <spidey> bots don't scare me
09:48  * GodTodd would refuse to ally with luke anyway since alliances with him are unbreakable.
09:49 <luke-jr> mog isn't a bot foo
09:49 <spidey> i've never broke a alliance
09:49 <luke-jr> nor have I
09:49 <spidey> but if i want to do something i won't ally
09:49 <spidey> so
09:49 <luke-jr> http://www.agloco.com/r/BBBH2903 <-- get paid to surf the net? :p
09:49 <spidey> i'm not allying with luke
09:49  * GodTodd wonders if it's moral to spam an irc channel with ads.
09:50 <luke-jr> only when GodTodd is present
09:50 <GodTodd> or only in a situationally shifting sense of morals
09:50 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you're not allowed to go there tho
09:50 <luke-jr> you're a windozeluser
09:51 <luke-jr> and I don't refer those yet
09:51 <GodTodd> ummm and my feelings are hurt?
09:51 <luke-jr> heh
09:51 <luke-jr> sorry
09:51 <GodTodd> for?
09:51 <luke-jr> hurting your feelings
09:51 <luke-jr> or whatever
09:51 <luke-jr> im tired -.-;
09:51 <GodTodd> did you see the question mark?
09:52 <GodTodd> or are you just stupid?
09:52 <luke-jr> #joke
09:52 <armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
09:52 <luke-jr> you forgot
09:52 <GodTodd> i wasn't joking
09:52 <GodTodd> i was asking a question
09:52 <GodTodd> which you obviously didn't understand
09:52 <luke-jr> #joke
09:52 <armabot> By royal decree, all humor has hereby been expunged from this channel. If you feel you absolutely *have* to be funny please find a channel where people are able to understand jokes.
09:52 <GodTodd> i will try to speak monosyllabically for you from now on
09:52 <luke-jr> or
09:52 <spidey> well
09:52 <luke-jr> you can try
09:52 <luke-jr> talking
09:52 <luke-jr> like 2020
09:52 <spidey> this always seems to work
09:52 <spidey> luke-jr, fuck off
09:53 <luke-jr> lol
09:53 <luke-jr> spide
09:53 <luke-jr> y
09:53 <luke-jr> go listen
09:53 <luke-jr> to
09:53 <spidey> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /home/acid/public_html/tron.php on line 3
09:53 <luke-jr> salva nos
09:53 <GodTodd> heh...or how about this...Prove god exists
09:53 <spidey> line 3
09:53 <spidey> $dir = "/home/acid/public_html/armagetron/bin/armagetronad-dedicated"
09:53 <spidey> wtf's wrong there..
09:53 <luke-jr> GodTodd: I'm married
09:53 <luke-jr> there, proven
09:53 <luke-jr> :p
09:54 <GodTodd> heh...he doesn't even try anymore
09:54 <spidey> that means you found a woman who will put up with you
09:54 <luke-jr> armagetronad-dedicated isn't a directory
09:54 <GodTodd> kinda sad really
09:54 <spidey> that doesn't prove god is real
09:54 <luke-jr> oh
09:54 <luke-jr> and you're
09:54 <luke-jr> missing a semicolon
09:55 <spidey> oh
09:55 <luke-jr> isn't parse and syntax error redundant
09:55 <luke-jr> to each other
09:55 <luke-jr> ?
09:55 <spidey> Warning: exec() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/acid/public_html/tron.php on line 4
09:55 <spidey> rofl
09:55 <luke-jr> haha
09:55 <luke-jr> do you have
09:56 <luke-jr> a
09:56 <luke-jr> cgi-
09:56 <luke-jr> bin
09:56 <luke-jr> ?
09:56 <spidey> yea
09:56 <spidey> i
09:56 <spidey> do
09:56 <GodTodd>  /ignore luke-jr
09:56 <spidey> have
09:56 <spidey> a
09:56 <spidey> cgi
09:56 <spidey> bin
09:56 <luke-jr> use
09:56 <luke-jr> it
09:56 <spidey> ?
09:56 <luke-jr> #!/bin/bash
09:56 <luke-jr> nohup /path/to/command/to/run
09:56 <luke-jr> then
09:56 <luke-jr> browse to it
09:56 <luke-jr> :p
09:56 <luke-jr> make sure to
09:56 <luke-jr> chmod +x
09:56 <luke-jr> it first
09:57 <spidey> do i make it .php or what?
09:57 <luke-jr> .sh
09:57 <luke-jr> is
09:57 <luke-jr> fine
09:57 <luke-jr> but then
09:57 <luke-jr> to be politically correc
09:57 <luke-jr> t
09:57 <luke-jr> /bin/bash should be
09:57 <luke-jr> /bin/sh
09:57 <luke-jr> after the #!
09:58 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz that has to do with politics
09:58 <GodTodd> moron :)
09:58 <luke-jr> I thought
09:58 <luke-jr> I was
09:58 <luke-jr> ignored
09:58 <luke-jr> ?
09:58 <GodTodd> nah...i am too amused by arrogant stupid people to ignore you luke
09:58 <GodTodd> you should know that by now
09:58 <luke-jr> but still
09:58 <luke-jr> I can make fun
09:59 <luke-jr> I wonder
09:59 <luke-jr> when will wejp
09:59 <luke-jr> notice his opship
09:59 <GodTodd> nice complete thought there, einstein
09:59 <spidey> luke-jr, and why does it want me to download it?
09:59 <luke-jr> because you
09:59 <luke-jr> did it wrong
09:59 <spidey> ...
09:59 <luke-jr> obviously
09:59 <luke-jr> it needs to be
09:59 <luke-jr> in the cgi-bin
10:00 <luke-jr> and +x
10:00 <spidey> it's +X
10:00 <@wejp_> i've noticed that, but do you want me to do anything with it?
10:00 <luke-jr> +x != +X
10:00 <luke-jr> wejp_:
10:00 <luke-jr> maybe
10:01 <luke-jr> I
10:01 <luke-jr> need sleep
10:01 <spidey> hm
10:02 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/cgi-bin/tron.sh
10:02 <GodTodd> no please don't go, luke
10:02 <GodTodd> please stay
10:02 <GodTodd> i need to bask in your infinite wisdom
10:02 <luke-jr> did I
10:02 <luke-jr> say
10:02 <luke-jr> I was leaving?
10:02 <luke-jr> ???
10:02 <GodTodd> i never said you did
10:03 <luke-jr> well
10:03 <luke-jr> I did
10:03 <luke-jr> imply it
10:03 <luke-jr> stupid
10:03 <GodTodd> don't talk about yourself like that, luke
10:03 <luke-jr> why
10:03 <GodTodd> because i worship you
10:03 <luke-jr> oh
10:03 <GodTodd> i want to be just like you
10:04 <luke-jr> I think
10:04 <luke-jr> you lie
10:04 <luke-jr> you shouldn't
10:04 <luke-jr> lie
10:04 <luke-jr> to
10:04 <luke-jr> people you worship
10:04 <luke-jr> especially
10:04 <luke-jr> not me
10:04 <GodTodd> heh...i'll let you work out the logic on that statement
10:05 <GodTodd> then again, you're catholic....logic is an alien concept to you
10:05 <luke-jr> n
10:05 <luke-jr> o
10:05 <luke-jr> n
10:05 <luke-jr> s
10:05 <luke-jr> e
10:05 <luke-jr> n
10:05 <luke-jr> s
10:05 <luke-jr> e
10:05 <GodTodd> yeah...that's what i said...catholic
10:06 <luke-jr> for KDE
10:06 <luke-jr> Katholic
10:09 <spidey> luke-jr,
10:09 <spidey> help with cron ;x
10:10 <wrtlprnft> spidey: $ man cron
10:10 <spidey> i dun have ssh
10:10 <wrtlprnft> you can do that on any machine
10:10 <spidey> i don't have a nix box running
10:10 <spidey> :p
10:11 <wrtlprnft> then crack one.
10:11 <wrtlprnft> #google cron manpage
10:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.24 seconds: cron (8): daemon to execute scheduled commands - Linux man page: <http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/cron.8.html>; crontab(5): tables for driving cron - Linux man page: <http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/crontab.5.html>; UNIX man pages : crontab (5): <http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?crontab+5>; Crontab Man Page: (2 more messages)
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> I quit allying with luke when I realized I could prevent hiim from smallpoxing my own cities by putting units on the border
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> allies aren't subject to zones of control, but all others are, which is why not allying with luke lets me control the situation
10:16 <spidey> heh
10:16 <spidey> luke knows he comes in my space it's his as
10:16 <spidey> ass
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> if luke wants me to accept an alliance, he's going to have to start noticing when people ask him to establish and respect borders
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> or quit pretending not to notice, whichever is applicable
10:16 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv [NP]Tangent [Xpert]DarkStar armabot Compn] by wejp_
10:16 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv GodTodd guru3 Lucifer_arma luke-jr] by wejp_
10:16 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvvv mkzelda Plazma spidey wrtlprnft] by wejp_
10:16 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vv z-man z-man-work] by wejp_
10:17 <+spidey> o.o
10:17 <+wrtlprnft> ?
10:17 <@wejp_> lol
10:19 <+Lucifer_arma> also, if there's no strategic or tactical reason for an ally to put military units in my territory, I'll cancel the alliance and/or not make the alliance in the first place
10:19 <+wrtlprnft> wejp_'s gonna pwn us all
10:19 <@wejp_> ;)
10:19 <+spidey> yea
10:19 <+spidey> i concider acts of war
10:19 <@wejp_> :o
10:19 <+spidey> 1 offensive units in my terratory
10:20 <+spidey> 2 smallpoxing my area
10:20 <+Lucifer_arma> well, if you're using my cities to stage an invasion, that's fine, but you have to tell me you're doing it
10:20 <+spidey> 3 a large force close to me that hasn't been moved in 2 turns
10:20 <+Lucifer_arma> and you have to share vision.  :)  Allies that don't share vision are absolutely not allowed to put any military units in my territory
10:20  * wrtlprnft wonders why luke-jr's oping everyone
10:20 <+spidey> then, and only then will i take defensive matters
10:20 <+spidey> then strike :p
10:20 <@wejp_> heh
10:20 <@wejp_> no idea
10:20 <+wrtlprnft> not that i'd mind
10:20 <@wejp_> ;)
10:21 <+wrtlprnft> i trust that wejp_ won't kick everyone
10:21 <+wrtlprnft> or op spidey 
10:21 <+wrtlprnft> scary thought
10:21 <+Lucifer_arma> well, when you're the science guy I usually wind up putting lots of units in your territory
10:21 <+spidey> ...
10:21 <@wejp_> hehe i won't do that ;)
10:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
10:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o spidey] by luke-jr
10:21 <+spidey> yea
10:21 <+spidey> though i trust you
10:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o spidey] by luke-jr
10:21 <+Lucifer_arma> it's a win-win situation.  You get defenses, and I get to make sure you keep giving me science :)
10:21 <@luke-jr> until he's done w/ sciences
10:21 <+Lucifer_arma> although I prefer to guard you with naval units anyway
10:22 <+spidey> yea
10:22 <@luke-jr> then you have no reason to not attack :p
10:22 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v spidey] by ChanServ
10:22 <+Lucifer_arma> right, and then I've got an army in his border, and we've already made a ton of enemies, so we have to work together :)
10:22 <@luke-jr> :o
10:22 <spidey> i don't think you've ever put units in my cities for defense besides that stupid russian game have you?
10:22  * luke-jr runs off to bed
10:22 <+Lucifer_arma> I've done it in emergencies
10:22 <+Lucifer_arma> like "there's barbs and no defenses, help meeee!"
10:23 <spidey> heh
10:23 <spidey> well
10:23 <spidey> even if you do have units in my city
10:23 <+Lucifer_arma> I've never done it as policy, because it is somewhat antagonistic :)
10:23 <spidey> as soon as the alliance is canceldd they go back to there homecities
10:23 <+Lucifer_arma> yep
10:23  * Lucifer_arma notes that when he puts units in there, they usually don't go in the cities, they go in more forward-positioned defensive positions
10:23 <+Lucifer_arma> and safely off any potential city work squares
10:24 <+Lucifer_arma> unless the city in question is under direct threat
10:24 <+Lucifer_arma> wait, in that europe game I kept putting units in a city, but that was because the latvians kept attacking that city, and it was the right strategic decision to defend that city
10:24 <spidey> yea
10:25 <spidey> they took that city they had a clear for me you and mom
10:25 <+Lucifer_arma> yep.  and if we defended that city, they wasted resources attacking it
10:25 <+Lucifer_arma> even if the city had gotten destroyed I would've wanted a fort there
10:25 <spidey> though
10:25 <spidey> one thing freeciv doesn't have
10:26 <spidey> in civ2 when you airlift
10:26 <spidey> if there's enemy area between
10:26 <spidey> there's a chance the unit dies
10:26 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I've never really used airlifts
10:26 <spidey> i have
10:26 <+Lucifer_arma> I always found the UI frustrating and the rules never clear :/
10:26 <spidey> when i need 1 turn defense
10:26 <spidey> heh
10:27 <+Lucifer_arma> I'll probably figure it out in the warclient, which makes airlifting a lot easier
10:27 <spidey> ...
10:27 <spidey> it gives you a list of cities
10:27 <spidey> you click one that's checked
10:27 <spidey> that's the one you're airlifting to
10:27 <+Lucifer_arma> I've been adding port facilities and airports so I can build veteran navy and air units :)
10:27 <spidey> in that game were me and you control half the world
10:27 <spidey> i've got like 12 port thingies
10:28 <+Lucifer_arma> well, let me amend my statement.  I didn't play a lot of civ2, and the civ1 airlift UI was frustrating and the rules weren't very clear
10:28 <+Lucifer_arma> that game where you're aussie, and you fought the russians?  ANd I'm me.  :)  That's the game where I started building those things, which is why my barracks count doesn't give me # cities
10:29 <+Lucifer_arma> the cities that build navy don't have barracks because they're not building ground units.  If I switch them to ground units, they'll have to build a barracks first, obviously
10:29 <spidey> heh
10:29 <spidey> i've got over 87 barracks in that game
10:29 <spidey> of course i get them free
10:29 <spidey> along with anything else that costs 1 gold
10:29 <spidey> <3 me wonder
10:29 <+Lucifer_arma> :)
10:30 <spidey> there's only 2 wonders i actually want in that game
10:30 <+Lucifer_arma> there's something wrong with it, though.  I built hoover dam and now can't build power plants, and for some reason I can't build mfg plants
10:30 <spidey> the gold one and isaacs
10:30 <spidey> the rest i get to make luke mad
10:30 <spidey> ugh
10:30 <+Lucifer_arma> I prefer to let luke build 'em, and then I'll take them :)
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10:30 <spidey> you can only have either 1 nuke plant, 1 power plant, or 1 hydro damn
10:30 <spidey> you can't have all
10:31 <+Lucifer_arma> right, but hoover dam counts as a hydro plant in all cities
10:31 <spidey> exactly
10:31 <+Lucifer_arma> it's *much* cheaper than building plants in every city
10:31 <spidey> yes
10:31 <+Lucifer_arma> but somehow I cna't build mfg plants, which require a power plant of some sort and a factory
10:31 <spidey> so if you techniqually have a hydro dam in every city
10:31 <spidey> how would you build power plants ? :p
10:32 <spidey> no
10:32 <+Lucifer_arma> that's the point, I can't, but I also can't build mfg plants
10:32 <spidey> mfg plant requires mass production AND and factory
10:32 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I thought I had mass production
10:32 <spidey> no?
10:32 <spidey> i had just gotten it
10:32 <+Lucifer_arma> I have factories, because the hoover dam doesn't kick in without factories anyway
10:32 <spidey> remember you went for robotics
10:33 <+Lucifer_arma> so maybe I don't have mass production, and I just expect to be able to build mfg plants when I can build howitzers because I usually get mass production first
10:33 <spidey> lol
10:34 <+Lucifer_arma> anyway, I think that game is about to run out of fun
10:34 <+Lucifer_arma> we're closer to finishing the game when it's going to run out of fun than we usually get, which I think is a good thing
10:34 <+Lucifer_arma> but basically after I'm done with the mexicans and the americans, and maybe with mordor, there isn't much left besides tedium
10:35 <spidey> well
10:35 <+Lucifer_arma> don't know for sure about where you're at, but it looks pretty much the same.  You've already done the fun stuff against the sumerians
10:35 <spidey> there's still alot
10:35 <spidey> we only control half the map
10:35 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, but we're reaching the point where taking the whole map will be tedious and not much fun
10:35 <spidey> if that
10:36 <+Lucifer_arma> not there yet, but I think we're getting there.  Probably the next time we restore we'll be there.
10:36 <spidey> hell
10:36 <spidey> i can spit out 4 units every turn
10:36 <+Lucifer_arma> my war with the aztecs and incas was a lot of fun, and the fact that it segued into direct war with mordor was fun, but mordor is almost destroyed now
10:36 <spidey> heh
10:37 <spidey> at the rate i'm spitting out bombers
10:37 <+Lucifer_arma> I'm putting out like 12 units in 2 turns.  :)  Maybe more, maybe less.  Some of it depends on losses, because if I don't take losses, my city productions are slowing down a lot.
10:37 <spidey> i have 24 now
10:37 <spidey> in about 20 turns i should be able invade with 40
10:37 <spidey> or 50
10:37 <+Lucifer_arma> heh.  My bombers are split up right now, but I have like 44 iirc
10:38 <spidey> heh
10:38 <+Lucifer_arma> they're converging though, everywhere they're involved is advancing towards a common point
10:38 <spidey> i'm glad i populated that little alaskian like thing on my continent
10:38 <spidey> it's been a very good naval port
10:38 <+Lucifer_arma> :)
10:39 <+Lucifer_arma> those cold cities aren't necessarily bad, they just have low food production is all
10:39 <spidey> i got so many battleships i yea
10:39 <spidey> 'er
10:39 <spidey> i got so many battleships i had to start just moving them out into the harbors and "S" ing them
10:39 <+Lucifer_arma> I don't even build battleships, heh
10:39 <spidey> battleships have a 12 attack and 12 defense
10:39 <+Lucifer_arma> if battleships were cheaper, I'd build them
10:39 <spidey> if they're vet it's increased, of course
10:40 <+Lucifer_arma> well, there's several things
10:40 <spidey> i put out battleships in less than 9 turns
10:40 <spidey> in each of those cities
10:40 <+Lucifer_arma> first is that battleships are obsolete by carriers + bombers
10:40 <+Lucifer_arma> this is a historical thing, not a civ thing
10:40 <spidey> they've all got factories, offshore platforms, nuke plants, and soon to have mfg plants
10:40 <+Lucifer_arma> so when you look at modern navies, you see task groups that are aegis cruisers supporting carriers
10:41 <spidey> well
10:41 <spidey> battleships are effective against multiple targets
10:41 <+Lucifer_arma> the period where battleships are actually useful is small enough that we get past battleships faster than I can build one
10:41 <spidey> aegis cruisers get pwnt big time by battleships
10:41 <+Lucifer_arma> they are, but cruisers for the screen and subs for the attack are just as effective, if not more so
10:41 <+Lucifer_arma> yes, but they're cheaper to replace, and subs have attack 12
10:42 <spidey> yea
10:42 <+Lucifer_arma> so offensively, subs are actually better than battleships because they also have stealth
10:42 <spidey> but battleships last long
10:42 <spidey> since they're cheaper :p
10:42 <+Lucifer_arma> defensively subs suck, and they're supposed to
10:42 <spidey> yea
10:42 <+Lucifer_arma> subs can also carry missiles
10:42 <spidey> stupid sumerians whiped out 2 loaded subs
10:42 <spidey> >:|
10:42 <+Lucifer_arma> you see why I build so goddamned many subs?  :)
10:42 <+[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
10:42 <+armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent. || -- Sagan
10:42 <spidey> hey it's that darkstar person
10:43 <spidey> 'er i mean HI DARKSTAR!
10:43 <+[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
10:43 <+Lucifer_arma> I build destroyers for my screen because they're cheap, but I'm starting to get sick of replacing them and cruisers work better, they're just more expensive
10:43 <+Lucifer_arma> so now I'm building the initial screen with destroyers and then replacing them with cruisers
10:43 <spidey> ...
10:43 <spidey> destroyers have like 4/4 rating
10:43 <spidey> they blow
10:43 <+Lucifer_arma> they do, in fact, suck pretty seriously, but they're dirt cheap
10:43 <+Lucifer_arma> and the screen I put up is expensive, even when build with destroyers
10:44 <spidey> so why not build something that'll last ALOT longer?
10:44 <spidey> i meani haven't lost a battleship yet
10:44 <+Lucifer_arma> replacing the destroyers with cruisers makes it a lot better, but you only have to replace the destroyers that are in trouble spots
10:44 <spidey> and i've been attacking coastal defenses with them
10:44 <+Lucifer_arma> well, you may not have lost a battleship, but all of my enemies have lost a lot of battleships
10:44 <spidey> heh
10:45 <spidey> doesn't matter to me though
10:45 <spidey> all that does is step up my production
10:45 <+Lucifer_arma> they bring them up and attack my destroyers, killing 2-3 of them and never seeing the sub that's also there
10:45 <spidey> bring me down to 6turns per bs!
10:45 <+Lucifer_arma> hell, I'd use transports for the screen, the screen only needs to have vision
10:46 <+Lucifer_arma> I'd use carriers for it if the game had a sensible way to manage carriers
10:46 <spidey> burn them all
10:46 <spidey> ugh
10:46 <spidey> dude
10:46 <spidey> carriers cost the same as battleships
10:46 <+Lucifer_arma> it should be that if you attack with a bomber from a carrier, it automatically returns to its carrier the next turn
10:46 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, but they carry bombers :)
10:47 <+Lucifer_arma> I could use 3 carriers with 3-4 bombers on each of them to cover the same area that I currently build like 20 destroyers to cover
10:47 <spidey> could do it like defcon
10:47 <+Lucifer_arma> that is cheap, but it's also tedious to maintain.  The destroyers sit on sentry
10:47 <spidey> 2 bombers per carrier
10:47 <spidey> 5 fighters
10:47 <+Lucifer_arma> the carriers would require manual maintenance
10:48 <+Lucifer_arma> well, you want to place the carriers where their bombers' attack zones overlap each other's a little bit
10:48 <+Lucifer_arma> then fly awacs to patrol the area and send bombers to hit anything they see
10:48 <+Lucifer_arma> the only problem is that it would let subs through :/
10:49 <spidey> so feel the gaps with some cheap unit?
10:49 <+Lucifer_arma> like destroyers?
10:49 <+Lucifer_arma> :)
10:49 <+Lucifer_arma> that would work, then use the bombers to hit the subs when they appear
10:50 <spidey> ;p
10:50 <+Lucifer_arma> but to be useful, the game needs to manage it for me, automatically sending the awacs to patrol, and automatically launching the bombers to hit anything it sees
10:50 <+Lucifer_arma> now, can bombers be put on autoattack in a carrier?
10:50 <spidey> "patrol"
10:50 <spidey> it's a option
10:51 <+Lucifer_arma> well, warclient provides air unit patrol
10:51 <spidey> hm
10:51 <spidey> guess i could patrol my costal cities then
10:51 <spidey> :D
10:51 <+Lucifer_arma> I've actually had good luck with putting subs on patrol, so maybe filling in the gap with patrolling subs would be better than brute-forcing it with destroyers
10:51 <+Lucifer_arma> warclient's UI additions are useful, but a real pain to use
10:52 <+Lucifer_arma> the only time I used air unit patrol I managed to run the bomber out of fuel somehow
10:52 <spidey> lol
10:53 <+Lucifer_arma> I do want patrolling ships to automatically attack any enemy they find and then go back on patrol
10:53 <+Lucifer_arma> of course, I want sentried ships to do it too :)
10:53 <spidey> lol
10:53 <spidey> argh
10:53 <spidey> i'ma have to learn mysql
10:55 <spidey> i'ma go get owned in americas army
10:55 <spidey> heh
10:56 <spidey> btw
10:56 <spidey> the people who play halo demo
10:56 <spidey> are bigger noobs than luke-jr
10:56 <spidey> i massacured them fuckers
10:56 <spidey> and i suck
10:56 <spidey> my record was 1 death vs 6 of them
10:57 <spidey> and a score of 25 kills
10:57 <spidey> 25 kills = the limit, then it's next round
10:57 <spidey> now americas army :D
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11:10 <+Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I also want to be able to attack units that I'm neutral towards
11:11 <+Lucifer_arma> I don't like having to declare war to attack a unit.  Sure, the person controlling it should declare war on me, but I don't want to have to declare war to do it
11:11 <+Lucifer_arma> sometimes you just want to say "move that piece or I'm killing it", and neither side wants total war
11:12 <+Lucifer_arma> but when you declare war, you almost have to be able to go to total war to back it up, while in most situations where you want to attack a unit without declaring war,
11:12 <+Lucifer_arma> it's not likely to escalate to total war.  It's more likely to be "That wasn't nice, but I'll back off because I'm not ready for war either"
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13:30 <+wrtlprnft> #g log(2)
13:30 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: log(2) = 0.301029996
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14:23 <+Lucifer_arma> I feel like a broken record
14:23 <+Lucifer_arma> "Don't force it!"
14:23 <+Lucifer_arma> never works.
14:23 <+Lucifer_arma> My wife's convinced that to make anything work, you have to apply force, in spite of the fact that you only ever have to apply force to parts designed to be forced, and there will be directions telling you to do so
14:35 <+wrtlprnft> it works if you just use enough force
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15:51 <+Compn> Lucifer_arma : what is she forcing?
15:52 <+Lucifer_arma> christmas tree.  There's a little pipe at the bottom that hooks into the stand and into the main tree
15:52 <+Lucifer_arma> the main tree pipe has a groove in it that fits the seam in the bottom pipe
15:52 <+Lucifer_arma> she didn't even bother looking at *how* they went together, and swore she didn't force the two pieces together
15:52 <+Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, I needed a hammer to separate them
15:57 <+Compn> ah yes
15:57 <+Compn> the old 'insert peg a into slot b' fiasco
15:57 <+Compn> many people fall victim to this trap
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16:37 <ghableska> luke-jr: ...
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17:25 <ghableska_> >_>
17:27 <ghableska_> #weather 50265
17:27 <+armabot> ghableska_: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 44.6°F (9:54 AM CST on December 10, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 23.0°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa.
17:30 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
17:30 <+armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 48.6°F (10:30 AM CST on December 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Windchill: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa.
17:39 <ghableska_> so, what's the difference between normal and voice?
17:47 <GodTodd> a little yellow dot on my client
17:48 <ghableska_> mine is swirly, beat that
17:49 <GodTodd> :P
18:38 <spidey> .
18:38 <ghableska_> ..
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18:39 <spidey> :
18:39 <spidey> :D
18:39 <ghableska> ...
18:40 <spidey> stfu
18:40 <ghableska> you stfu
18:40 <spidey> u
18:40 <ghableska> you know what?
18:40 <spidey> ?
18:40 <ghableska> #weather 50265
18:40 <spidey> luke's gay?
18:40 <ghableska> :P
18:40 <+armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 46.4°F (10:54 AM CST on December 10, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa.
18:41 <spidey> #weather 38256
18:41 <+armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 46.9°F (11:41 AM CST on December 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029.0 hPa.
18:41 <spidey> joo r tEh six
18:41 <spidey> sux
18:42 <GodTodd> j00 r the sux typzor
18:42 <GodTodd> teh
18:42 <GodTodd> *
18:42 <ghableska> 1337 is for n00bs
18:43 <GodTodd> 1337 is java programming
18:43 <ghableska> haha
18:43 <spidey> java sux
18:43 <GodTodd> ok luke
18:43 <spidey> luke-jr, joo sux
18:44 <GodTodd> i know he's your hero
18:45 <ghableska> :P
18:45 <ghableska> #f
18:45 <GodTodd> #later tell spidey stfu
18:45 <+armabot> Random Fortune: Coward, n.: || One who in a perilous emergency thinks with his legs. || -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
18:45 <+armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
18:46 <ghableska> #later tell spidey stfu
18:46 <+armabot> ghableska: The operation succeeded.
18:46 <GodTodd> #later tell spidey stfu
18:46 <+armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
18:46 <GodTodd> #later tell spidey stfu
18:46 <+armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
18:46 <GodTodd> #later tell spidey stfu
18:46 <GodTodd> #later tell spidey stfu
18:46 <+armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
18:46 <+armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
18:47 <ghableska> spidey: hi
18:47 <spidey> ...
18:47 <GodTodd> #later tell spidey stfu
18:47 <+armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
18:50 <GodTodd> wow...spidey was silenced :D
18:50 <spidey> ..
18:50 <+wrtlprnft> lol
18:50 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v GodTodd] by ChanServ
18:50 <spidey> you started it
18:50 <ghableska> hehe
18:51 <ghableska> spidey: I"[11:51] armabot: Sent 1 minute ago: <spidey> gay
18:51 <ghableska> [11:51] armabot: Sent 1 minute ago: <spidey> gay
18:51 <ghableska> [11:51] armabot: Sent 1 minute ago: <spidey> gay
18:51 <ghableska> [11:51] armabot: Sent 1 minute ago: <spidey> gay
18:51 <ghableska> [11:51] armabot: Sent 1 minute ago: <spidey> gay
18:51 <ghableska> [11:51] armabot: Sent 1 minute ago: <spidey> gay
18:51 <ghableska> [11:51] armabot: Sent 1 minute ago: <spidey> gay
18:51 <ghableska> [11:51] armabot: Sent just now: <spidey> gay
18:51 <ghableska> [11:51] armabot: Sent just now: <spidey> gay"
18:51 <ghableska> ...
18:51 <spidey> you did it to
18:51 <spidey> :p
18:51 <ghableska> only once :P
18:51 <ghableska> GodTodd should have gotten most of those
18:51 <+wrtlprnft> #list admin
18:52 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
18:52 <+wrtlprnft> #admin ignore add spidey 
18:52 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:52 <ghableska> heh
18:52 <spidey> ...
18:52 <+wrtlprnft> ghableska: thanks for telling me :)
18:52 <ghableska> huh?
18:52 <spidey> <armabot> Sent 1 minute ago: <GodTodd> stfu
18:52 <spidey> <armabot> Sent 1 minute ago: <ghableska> stfu
18:52 <spidey> <armabot> Sent 1 minute ago: <GodTodd> stfu
18:52 <spidey> <armabot> Sent 1 minute ago: <GodTodd> stfu
18:52 <spidey> <armabot> Sent 1 minute ago: <GodTodd> stfu
18:52 <spidey> <armabot> Sent 1 minute ago: <GodTodd> stfu
18:52 <spidey> think i care for spam either?
18:52 <ghableska> lol
18:52 <+wrtlprnft> evil GodTodd, evil.
18:53  * ghableska is free from any wrongdoing
18:53  * wrtlprnft shoots a sharp look at GodTodd
18:54  * GodTodd looks ashamed.
18:56  * ghableska yawns
18:56  * GodTodd picks eye boogers.
18:57  * ghableska is not amused
18:57 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Lucifer_arma ghableska scortched3d?
18:57 <spidey> 'er
18:57 <spidey> luke-jr, *
18:58 <ghableska> haven't you done that before? :P
18:58 <spidey> yea
19:03 <+Lucifer_arma> maybe a bit later
19:06 <+armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6478 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Io + addons can now be shipped with the game.
19:07 <ghableska> hmm
19:07 <+armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6479 /private/z-man/clio/state.hpp: Added IoState* accessor
19:08 <+wrtlprnft> i liked the colors there :(
19:08 <ghableska> those aren't in color anymore. :(
19:08 <+wrtlprnft> guru3: any chance we can get colors back and have normal ops be able to disable them temporarily?
19:08 <+wrtlprnft> after all most clients support disabling all colors as well
19:10 <ghableska> #later tell ghableska hi
19:10 <+armabot> ghableska: The operation succeeded.
19:10 <+wrtlprnft> ghableska: won't work, you'll get it at the same time you send it
19:11 <ghableska> yeah. :/
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19:22 <@guru3> haha
19:22 -!- mode/#armagetron [+c] by ChanServ
19:22 <ghableska> :P
19:22 -!- mode/#armagetron [-c] by ChanServ
19:23 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv mkzelda Compn GodTodd armabot] by guru3
19:23 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvvv wrtlprnft Lucifer_arma luke-jr Plazma] by guru3
19:23 -!- mode/#armagetron [-vvv [Xpert]DarkStar [NP]Tangent z-man-work] by guru3
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19:27 <wrtlprnft> thanks :)
19:27 <ghableska> hehe
19:27 <ghableska> back to normal now? 
19:27 <+guru3> i'd like to point out that it's best if there aren't voices and people with ops
19:27 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o wrtlprnft] by ChanServ
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19:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, chanserv still controls it
19:28 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
19:28 <wrtlprnft> guru3: i didn't voice everyone :(
19:28 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v guru3] by guru3
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19:28 <guru3> don't know how to make chanserv relinquish control
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> mmm mmmm mmmmmmm mm mmmm mm mm
19:29 <ghableska> O_o
19:31 <wrtlprnft> guru3: use SET #armagetron MLOCK?
19:31 <wrtlprnft> just remove the c flag from it completely
19:32 <guru3> did mlock -c
19:33 <wrtlprnft> no c at all, neither -c nor c
19:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6480 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/macosx/AAIo.mm: Removed debug output
19:33 <guru3> and how would you d othat?
19:33 <wrtlprnft> sec
19:34 <wrtlprnft> set #arma-ladle mlock ""
19:34 <wrtlprnft> that worked for me
19:36 <guru3> done
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19:37 <wrtlprnft> works, thanks :)
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19:45 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6481 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/render/rSysdep.cpp: Re-enable threading
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19:52 <wrtlprnft> oh, duh, there's an Io branch i can actually test?
19:53 <wrtlprnft> i checked out private/z-man/clio and only saw tests
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21:35 <Lucifer_arma> I want to play a pirate game
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22:06 <luke-jr> like a civ game where we're all pirates?
22:07 <luke-jr> /set startunits ckxDaaaAAA
22:07 <DrJoeTr0n> i wish Pirates! was multiplayer :/
22:09 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: spidey: want to try a pirate game? :p
22:10 <luke-jr> I'll need to take a 5 hour break in 20 minutes or so, but we can start :p
22:13 <spidey> ..
22:13 <spidey> #cnn 38256
22:13 <spidey> it's
22:13 <spidey> how
22:13 <spidey> hot
22:13 <spidey> 'er
22:14 <luke-jr> ...
22:14 -!- spidey is now known as spider
22:14 -!- spider is now known as spidey
22:14 <spidey> wtf
22:15 <GodTodd> i think you're still on armabot ignore from earlier
22:15 <spidey> that's gay
22:16 <GodTodd> wrtlprnft> #admin ignore add spidey
22:16 <GodTodd> <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:16 <GodTodd> that was at 11:52 central
22:20 <Vanhayes> #cnn 38257
22:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Martin, TN is 52.0°F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 24%. Wind: SSW at 8 mph (13 km/h).
22:20 <Vanhayes> #cnn 38258
22:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in McKenzie, TN is 52.0°F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Wind: S at 7 mph (11 km/h).
22:20 <Vanhayes> #cnn 38255
22:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Martin, TN is 52.0°F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 24%. Wind: SSW at 8 mph (13 km/h).
22:36 <wrtlprnft> #admin ignore list
22:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 'TitsnAss!n=TitsnAss@c-24-5-241-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net'
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22:37 <DrJoeTr0n> yo
22:37 <wrtlprnft> hi
22:38 <Your_mom_arma> hey
22:42 <DrJoeTr0n> this mini boss wont fucking die!
22:46 -!- DrJoeTr0n is now known as DrJoeTron
22:49 <DrJoeTron> jesus that took 20 minutes
22:51 <GodTodd> an eternity
22:52 <luke-jr> hm
22:52 <luke-jr> I lose civ-pirate game
23:01 <DrJoeTron> an eternity if your playing it on a ds
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: a civ pirate game?
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> er, I was thinking more like a pirate game that's roughly formatted like silent service, only you're a pirate in 1630 in the caribbean rather than a sub in ww2 pacific
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> you'd have to outfit the ship, pay the crew, buy food, ammo, powder, etc.
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> a good sail-powered war simulator, but turn-based
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> multiplayer, and you can pick if you want to be a pirate, a merchant, or a military vessel (they're all the same ships anyway)
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> you can buy and sell shit (unless you're military).  You can fight other players, maybe a loan system so when you sink another player he can still get a new ship
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> and have little quests show up every now and then, so you can go search for hidden treasure, magical artifacts and crap.  So not a perfect historical simulation.  :)
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> and you can bury your own treasure, but other players could unbury it of course
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> while I was thinking a 3d UI would be nice, it occurs to me the game could be reasonably written quickly if it were just 2d
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> use sdl, if you don't want to have to deal with widgets, use sdl+qt
23:25 <Vanhayes> didnt the guy who made Civilization make a pirate game too?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but it sucked
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> he also made silent service
23:26  * Lucifer_arma notes that Sid Meier has been around for a long time
23:27 <Vanhayes> ya, civ1 was made in the late 80s wasnt it?
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> early 90s.  Might have been 1989 or so
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> I knew kids in high school that played it, but didn't personally play it until a few years later, but before civ2 came out
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of copying a pirate board game my brother and I used to play
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> you have these maneuvering cards, and every turn you had to pick 3 cards and lay them face down.  So would the other guy
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> your ships moved over a grid.  The 3 cards were there to provide something resembling wind simulation, an obvious and effective abstraction
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> so after you picked your cards, you would turn each over in turn.  If you were in range, you could fire cannons depending on the orientation of the ships
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it was called Broadsides and Boarding Parties
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> so each time you turned over a card, you could fire if you were in range, so you'd always try to cross the T, which meant you could fire a broadside and the other ship couldn't fire shit
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> if the ships "collided", you went to boarding parties, where you positioned the two ship models next to each other according to their orientation and you boarded their ship and tried to take it
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> moving your figures around and stuff.  You removed the cannons because they weren't used and they just got in the way.  Once you took the other ship's captain, you won.
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> or, if you were the pirate ship, you could win by landing on the military ship's square
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, turning that into a multi-player networked game by itself would be a lot of fun, I think.
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I had some improvements in mind.  :)
23:33 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to be able to run around on the boat
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> You still get a regular top-down tactical layout.  Each turn you have wind, you can change your heading, change your sail rigging, and fire
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> everyone takes their turn at the same time, then the turn gets executed
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> so if you're going slow enough and you ram a ship, you go to boarding parties, but if you're going fast, you ram them instead
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's actually more like an old c-64 game I played called Balance of Power, which used spaceships
23:35 <Vanhayes> heh, thatd be fun, go full speed into the side of another guys' boat and see who comes out in one peice
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, what you do in the fight depends on what you want :)
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> if you're a pirate attacking a merchant vessel, you just want to shoot the masts and get them to surrender without boarding
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> if you're a pirate facing a military vessel, you want to sink them or disable them so you can get away
23:36 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: a civ pirate game :p
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> if you're a military vessel, just sink the pirates :)
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> if you're a merchant vessel, if there are no survivors and your crew is utterly loyal to you....
23:37 <luke-jr> needs some ruleset changes
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> so there'd be a campaign mode, right?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> in the campaign mode you wonder around teh ocean looking for ships to fight
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> and your crew would have loyalty ratings, and if you did stupid things like run them out of food or stay away from land too long they might mutiny
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> the more treasure you build up on the ship the higher the chances of the crew mutinying
23:38 <luke-jr> well, I think one change would be
23:38 <luke-jr> start w/ Triemes
23:38 <luke-jr> :p
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> and you have to return to port every now and then to buy more ammo and food and replenish your crew
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23:38 <luke-jr> and allow military to attack boats
23:39 <luke-jr> so you can have at-sea battles
23:39 <luke-jr> eg, load units on a boat and pull up next to an enemy boat and attack
23:39 <luke-jr> and conquer boats like cities
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> there's not an option in the ruleset for that
23:39 <luke-jr> or smth
23:39 <luke-jr> hm
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> you'd have to modify the code
23:40 <luke-jr> land units can't attack sea?
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> I looked for it, I wanted to make an artillery piece that could attack ships too
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> nope
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> and you can't force zones of control on ships
23:40 <luke-jr> lame
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> the airattack might suffice to make it happen, but it may require you to be an air unit to work :)
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> you'd have to modify the code anyway to let units take ships like they take cities
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23:46 <Your_mom_arma> i think the mutinay thing should have some kind of math algorithem so its based on the rate of which you recieve gold and not how much you have
23:47 <Your_mom_arma> spelling*
23:56 <DrJoeTron> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eccc09a848 :D

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00:23 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3887493.stm <-- "Holy Church of The Order of The Red Breast"
00:23 <ghableska> o0
00:25 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: creepy
00:25 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma i just notice its got the dad from titus
00:25 <DrJoeTron> wait no
00:26 <DrJoeTron> its the grounded for life grandpa
00:26 <DrJoeTron> i get the cancelled fox sitcoms mixed up
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the rate at which you receive gold should matter more than how much you get, but on the other hand, the more you have on the ship the more likely your crew is to betray you
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> in the first instance it's "He's a loser captain"
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> in the second it's "Look at all that gold!  If we knock out the captain, we can keep it for ourselves!"
00:43 <DrJoeTron> making a pirate version of freeciv?
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01:34 <ghableska> #weather 50265
01:35 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 42.8°F (5:54 PM CST on December 10, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa. 
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01:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr Vanhayes ghableska Your_mom_arma ping
01:43 <Your_mom_arma> pong
01:43 <spidey> guys wanna play scortched3d?
01:43 <spidey> i'ms start calling it
01:43 <spidey> S3D
01:43 <spidey> cause it's a big word
01:44 <spidey> and i'ma start abbreviating big words
01:44 <ghableska> you do that
01:44 <spidey> like Lucifer_arma 
01:44 <spidey> LA
01:44 <spidey> and Your_mom_arma , ymca ;x
01:45 <ghableska> ghableska?
01:45 <spidey> who?
01:45 <ghableska> spidey?
01:45 <spidey> who?
01:45 <ghableska> ...
01:45 <spidey> what?
01:57 <Your_mom_arma> you adresss me as mom or mr. mom spidey
01:57 <spidey> ok mrs mom
01:57 <Your_mom_arma> is there a server up ?
01:57 <spidey> not right now
01:58 <spidey> i'll put one up if anyone wants to play
01:58  * spidey wants to play
01:58 <Your_mom_arma> i'll play
01:58 <spidey> no killing me on the first turn ;p
01:58 <spidey> i'm just now figuring out the autoaim
01:58 <spidey> i thought the stupid thing lined it up automatically
01:58 <Your_mom_arma> well i'll see what i can do
01:58 <spidey> but you have to point the mouse >.>
01:59 <Your_mom_arma> auto aim?
02:01 <spidey> yea
02:01 <spidey> sec
02:01 <spidey> 68.119.125.27
02:15 <DrJoeTron> are you playing scorch3d?
02:17 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
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03:04 <DrJoeTron> brb
03:18 <DrJoeTron> man i wish some of you guys played bf2
03:24 <spidey> heh
03:29 <DrJoeTron> because that game never gets old for me
03:29 <DrJoeTron> well...
03:29 <DrJoeTron> no it really doesnt
03:30 <DrJoeTron> cept for the Yay i spawne-URK"
03:30 <DrJoeTron> thanks jerks
03:55 <Vanhayes> spidey: still playing scortched?
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04:17 <Vanhayes2> #night
04:17 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes2!
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04:38 <spidey> DrJoeTron, spawners?
04:38 <spidey> rofl!
04:38 <spidey> i'm a spawn killer ;/
04:38 <spidey> not if i can help it
04:38 <spidey> but
04:38 <spidey> if i run past someone
04:38 <DrJoeTron> see thats the thing
04:38 <DrJoeTron> we all are
04:38 <spidey> and it's me or them
04:38 <spidey> it's them damn it
04:38 <DrJoeTron> but on a 64 person server
04:38 <DrJoeTron> it gets brutal
04:38 <spidey> heh
04:38 <DrJoeTron> especailly with artillery in uncaps
04:38 <spidey> lolol
04:39 <DrJoeTron> its devasting
04:39 <spidey> i try not to spawn kill
04:39 <DrJoeTron> its hilarious to do
04:39 <DrJoeTron> but not fun on the receiving end
04:39 <spidey> but if they like
04:39 <spidey> spawn right next to me
04:39 <DrJoeTron> i do that all of time
04:39 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah, you kill them
04:39 <DrJoeTron> i make a not of it
04:39 <spidey> i don't wanna die so i kill 'em :p
04:39 <DrJoeTron> note*
04:39 <DrJoeTron> to kill them
04:39 <DrJoeTron> i like to storm the air carrier with a medic and a supply guy and and an anti tank
04:39 <DrJoeTron> and just wreak havoc
04:40 <spidey> kik
04:40 <spidey> lol
04:40 <DrJoeTron> "im gonna takez off with a jet! hurrr!" *BLAM*
04:40 <DrJoeTron> it never gets old
04:40 <DrJoeTron> when you get it spidey, we'll have fun
04:40 <spidey> if i get it
04:40 <spidey> haven't decided
04:40 <DrJoeTron> i live for the jets
04:41 <spidey> i like warrock best of the games i played so far
04:41 <spidey> i'm ranked 5 ;x
04:41 <spidey> 5 more ranks and i'll be a corporal!
04:42 <spidey> or
04:42 <spidey> whatever rank has those V's
04:42 <spidey> dude
04:42 <spidey> you ever played halo zero?
04:43 <spidey> picture soldat, combined with halo, combined with ninja turtles 
04:43 <spidey> then throw french into the mix
04:43 <spidey> then you got halo zero
04:43 <DrJoeTron> sounds horrible
04:43 <DrJoeTron> to me at least
04:43 <spidey> it is
04:43 <spidey> very
04:44 <DrJoeTron> get bf2 :/
04:44 <spidey> gotta wait
04:44 <spidey> it'll be about
04:44 <spidey> well
04:44 <spidey> i can get the game now
04:44 <spidey> but i can't play it
04:45 <spidey> anyways
04:45 <spidey> it'll be around janurary 1st
04:45 <DrJoeTron> http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=3097 here you go :p
04:45 <spidey> plus whatever the shipping time is
04:45 <DrJoeTron> this sums up how to play bf2
04:46 <DrJoeTron> like Constantly Vote to Remove Your Commander! or If You See Somebody Repairing a Vehicle, Feel Free to Take It!
04:46 <spidey> rofl
04:46 <spidey> i do that in warrock
04:46 <spidey> if it's a tank or chopper
04:47 <DrJoeTron> and Revive Fallen Teammates In the Middle of Firefights!
04:47 <DrJoeTron> its fun to do!
04:47 <DrJoeTron> yay! URK!
04:47 <DrJoeTron> bzzzt! you'll live buddy, now get back to the fight! URK!
04:47 <DrJoeTron> bzzt!
04:48 <DrJoeTron> you'll live buddy now get back the URK!
04:48 <DrJoeTron> bzzzt
04:48 <spidey> rofl
04:48 <DrJoeTron> read it :p
04:57 <spidey> ok
04:57 <spidey> sleep
04:57 <spidey> now!
05:39 <luke-jr> ...
05:46 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: spidey [NP]Tangent GodTodd 
05:46 <luke-jr> pirate civ?
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07:22 <Durka> #lastseen infamous
07:22 <armabot> Durka: ¦Ö¦Infamous has last been seen on Fortress Café 0 days 11 hours 48 minutes ago.
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08:03 <DrJoeTron> http://www.typingtest.com/test/default.asp who can type the fastest here
08:07 <luke-jr> mer
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08:51 <wrtlprnft> is it cheating of i copy and paste that address or am i supposed to type it? :D
08:55 <wrtlprnft> *if
09:02 <GodTodd> i got 50 wpm
09:06 <luke-jr> lol
09:09 <GodTodd> something funny?
09:17 <luke-jr> yep
09:18 <DrJoeTron> 65 "
09:18 <DrJoeTron> :/*
09:18 <GodTodd> luke-jr: i meant besides in your mirror
09:18 <luke-jr> so did I
09:18 <GodTodd> liar
09:24 <DrJoeTron> haha wrtlprnft 
10:32 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma ping
10:33 <DrJoeTron> tomorrow
10:33 <DrJoeTron> haha it works
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: pong
10:34 <DrJoeTron> ok
10:34 <DrJoeTron> good news and bad news, sir.
10:34 <DrJoeTron> which one you want first
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> since I just woke up and am feeling terribly indecisive, I'll get a cup of tea
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10:36 <DrJoeTron> i take that back with the good news
10:36 <DrJoeTron> i have good news and good news
10:37 <DrJoeTron> in fact you now get a choice in DrJoeTron's Used Computer, Pool, and Patio Emporium.
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'll take tha patio emporium!
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so what is the news?
10:38 <DrJoeTron> ok
10:38 <DrJoeTron> while looking for the computer stuff to send you
10:38 <DrJoeTron> i couldnt find it, scratched my head, and went an deconstructed the computer i had gotten from relatives.
10:39 <DrJoeTron> its a 500mhz (if i remember) intel pentium III
10:39 <DrJoeTron> ATX board
10:39 <DrJoeTron> but
10:39 <DrJoeTron> no case
10:39 <DrJoeTron> and its a DELL motherboard
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> uh huh.  so where does "choice" come in?
10:41 <DrJoeTron> i then also found my the other pc
10:41 <DrJoeTron> when i looked away from the screen and took a 2nd look
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> sooo, I get to pick one or the other?
10:42 <DrJoeTron> so that one is a 450mhz celeron, micro atx board, the cpu fan is going bad, has a tiny case that can probably stop bullets with all of the metal its has
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> the computer that ws in a fire, or the one with the dell motherboard
10:42 <DrJoeTron> you can pick both if you'd like probably
10:42 <DrJoeTron> neither were on fire
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> can I smoke a cigarette real quick?  :)
10:43 <DrJoeTron> go for it
10:43 <DrJoeTron> im destroying my room and cleaning it all at once
10:43 <DrJoeTron> its been a weekend endeavor
10:43 <DrJoeTron> and im really lazy and i procrastinate to no end
10:45 <DrJoeTron> got a free dvd rom and burner out of that sucker :)
10:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6482 /private/z-man/clio/ (21 files):
10:48 <armabot> armagetronad: Added support for custom constructors.
10:48 <armabot> armagetronad: Added support for classes without (or with private) default or copy constructors or with protected and private destructors.
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the one that's the dell motherboard, does it have a standard atx power connector?
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, do they both?  Problem with OEM boards sometimes is they use a nonstandard power connector, so you can't get a power supply
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> you have to get a new computer :(
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> if they have standard atx power connectors, I'll take both.  :)  One for a backup server, and one for a kid computer (my kids need their own now)
10:58 <DrJoeTron> nope
10:58 <DrJoeTron> they work
10:58 <DrJoeTron> all of them
10:59 <DrJoeTron> they're work
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> so, "nope, they don't have standard atx power connectors"?  Or "Yes, they'll work with standard atx power supplies"?
10:59 <DrJoeTron> sorry im incohearent
10:59 <DrJoeTron> they take standard atx
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then if I can have both, I'll take both :)
11:00 <DrJoeTron> theres one none' related thing with the dell mobo
11:00 <DrJoeTron> cool it should fit
11:00 <DrJoeTron> i'd offer the case for the dell
11:01 <DrJoeTron> but i destroyed it pretty much
11:01 <DrJoeTron> this was when it was still "lets be creative with case design so its virtually impossible to install stuff"
11:02 <DrJoeTron> oop lemme find the cpu for it
11:05 <DrJoeTron> ok cool
11:05 <DrJoeTron> i figured i'd offer both since its been 4 months since i said i'd send it
11:07 <DrJoeTron> i'll leave the cpu unplugged so it doesnt crack off durring shipping
11:10 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma but yeah i'll send it sometime this week hopefully
11:10 <DrJoeTron> im going to try to
11:10 <DrJoeTron> rather than trying to try
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> ko.  just let me know where to paypal the shipping :)
11:22 <DrJoeTron> i'll let you know
11:22 <DrJoeTron> when i actually ship
11:22 <DrJoeTron> actually
11:22 <DrJoeTron> fuck it
11:22 <DrJoeTron> christmas :d
11:22 <DrJoeTron> its a gift! ;p
11:22 <DrJoeTron> oh dear, i think the case is bent
11:24 <DrJoeTron> hope that doesnt bother you :p
11:24 <DrJoeTron> its such a peice of shit case
11:24 <DrJoeTron> thanks hp
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'll work something out.  Cases are cheap anyway, and I probalby need power supplies.  Usually you just get a case when you need a power supply ;)
11:26 <DrJoeTron> haha
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is the stuff that goes inside the case, if you buy it brand new, adds up to a fair chunk of change when you start from nothing
11:26 <DrJoeTron> the case is hard to pry apart
11:26 <DrJoeTron> totally
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> when you start with something, well, obviously that's better :)
11:27 <DrJoeTron> espcailly cables
11:27 <DrJoeTron> the computers ive made for friends and family they all are mixes of new and used parts
11:28 <DrJoeTron> i think the most expensive pc i've bui;t was 1100 dollars i believe
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's really the easiest way to start.  :)
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I don't even have 1100 dollars into my server yet.  :/
11:29 <DrJoeTron> haha
11:29 <DrJoeTron> neither does my pc
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> my laptop was around $1k, but that's how laptops are.
11:29 <DrJoeTron> it doesn even have 300 dollars in it
11:29 <DrJoeTron> my friend also wanted a 400 dollar video card
11:29 <DrJoeTron> so that cost the most
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> ack.  I buy the cheapest video cards when I have to, I don't mind having an outdated card
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I have to admit, I love the geforce that's in my laptop
11:30 <DrJoeTron> well since i play video games alot
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I want to write the pirate game I was talking about earlier
11:30 <DrJoeTron> i wait a bit, wait for a decient video card to go to 100 dollars rather than 400 dollars
11:31 <DrJoeTron> haha i wanna help :p
11:31 <DrJoeTron> i wanna make the splash screen ;)
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> :)  If you really want to help, I could use an accumulation of 17th century pirate/nautical folklore :)
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> I just looked around wikipedia for what they've got, and there isn't much
11:32 <DrJoeTron> i can see what i can do
11:32 <DrJoeTron> my friends love pirate stuff
11:32 <DrJoeTron> and since pirates of the carribean II just came out on dvd
11:32 <DrJoeTron> that means the history channel is going to show pirate crap again
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> I just watched that movie, it's what got me thinking about a pirate game again
11:33 <DrJoeTron> hah
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> see, I've wanted a good sail/gunpowder combat simulator of some sort for years
11:33 <DrJoeTron> i could send you this genesis rom i have
11:33 <DrJoeTron> Pirates Gold
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> so every now and then, I get a little tease to make one
11:34 <DrJoeTron> thats the first thing that came to mind
11:34 <DrJoeTron> its based off of Sid Meiers Pirates
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> I kind of remember Sid Meier's Pirates sucking
11:35 <DrJoeTron> thats why its based
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter, I want multi-player networked play where you can fight other players and accumulate a big treasure :)
11:35 <DrJoeTron> Pirates Gold for the genesis was extremely fun
11:35 <DrJoeTron> OH GOD
11:35 <DrJoeTron> COUNT ME IN
11:36 <DrJoeTron> I'll do anything i can possibly do that doesnt involve coding
11:36 <DrJoeTron> like textures and what not
11:36 <DrJoeTron> and looking up the folklore :)
11:37 <DrJoeTron> but oh god,
11:37 <DrJoeTron> thats exactly what ive been looking for
11:38 <DrJoeTron> take me with you! :)
11:41 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma yeah the case is totally bent
11:41 <DrJoeTron> this thing hasnt been together in...actually a complete year
11:41 <DrJoeTron> wowee
11:43 <DrJoeTron> but yeah, if you're looking for people to help, count me in
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like historical accuracy as a base, for sure.  So the british navy will be the miscreants they actually were (they didn't become a disciplined "modern" navy until the 20th century)
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> I also don't want people to put in a lot of work on vaporware, so I should warn you you could be taking chances with me not having much time to actually code it :)
11:44  * Lucifer_arma notes his sub simulator didn't get very far after he got what he really needed out of it, which was a review of trig
11:44 <DrJoeTron> hey trust me
11:44 <DrJoeTron> no rush
11:45 <DrJoeTron> my friends and i have been looking for a game like this
11:45 <DrJoeTron> what kind of textures are you looking for?
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, I'd like there to be at least the option to play with historical accuracy, and then add in the folklore and legends as actual parts of the game on top of that
11:45 <DrJoeTron> so a net play game with single player?
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> so you could run into the Flying Dutchman :)
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, many players
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> have you played Silent Service?
11:46 <DrJoeTron> no matter what
11:46 <DrJoeTron> ?
11:46 <DrJoeTron> no
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> you might dig up an emulator, I probably have a disk image hanging around somewhere
11:46 <DrJoeTron> but yeah, i think i can get a rag tag team of people to do research for this
11:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6483 /private/z-man/clio/ (instantiation.cpp instantiation.hpp): Added separate file for template functions that need to be defined AFTER all custom overloads of functions are declared. It needs to be included from the bottom of every cpp file with clio wrappers.
11:46 <DrJoeTron> because my friends = obsessed with pirates
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> there's two modes in Silent Service, you either just play scenarios where you attack convoys
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> the mode I want to really copy is the campaign mode.  In that, you move around the south pacific (ww2) and have encounters where you fight convoys
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> and you have to return periodically to port to refuel/rearm
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11:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6484 /private/z-man/clio/ (5 files):
11:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Added separate file for template functions that need to be defined AFTER all custom overloads of functions are declared. It needs to be included from the bottom of every cpp file with clio wrappers.
11:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Worked around possible exception catching bug in GCC 4.1.1.
11:47 <DrJoeTr0n> hello?
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> I want to copy that mode, but have many ports, and you can do more in a port.  Like shack up and leave :)
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> hello?
11:47 <DrJoeTr0n> the fuck was that about
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> weird.  What's the last thing you saw me say?
11:48 <DrJoeTr0n> <Lucifer_arma> there's two modes in Silent Service, you either just play scenarios where you attack convoys
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> I want to copy that mode, but have many ports, and you can do more in a port.  Like shack up and leave :)
11:48 <DrJoeTr0n> my connection just severed 
11:48 <DrJoeTr0n> oh cool i didnt miss a thing
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> so you could just be a merchant, buy shit in one port and sell shit in another port and make money that way
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> you could be british navy, where you hunt pirates and probably merchants that aren't british
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> dont' know that I want to make Spanish ships available, except as pirates
11:49 <DrJoeTr0n> how about anything with the dtuch?
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> so you'd start as a merchant for a nation, probably pick from British, Spanish, Dutch, and French
11:49 <DrJoeTr0n> dutch*
11:49 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah, this is totally Pirates Gold
11:50 <DrJoeTr0n> i love it to death
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to be a pirate, you just start attacking people.  :)  I'd like it to be possible to be a secret pirate, where in port people think you're a regular merchant,
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> but at sea you act like a pirate, and if you do it well, you won't get any military hunting you down
11:50 <DrJoeTr0n> that sounds like it could an over powering element
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> so I was thinking if you shack up in a port so you can leave the game for awhile, when you return there'd be some computed chance that (if you're a pirate) you were arrested while you were gone and you escape when you return
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> the obvious way to avoid that would be to find an unsettled and preferably uncharted island to build your own base
11:51 <DrJoeTr0n> how about for mutiny
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> mutiny would happen if you're a bad captain.  :)
11:51 <DrJoeTr0n> like you have to divvy up the booty stolen
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> like, if you stay away from port too long, too cheap with your sailors, accumulate too much treasure on the ship (motivating a mutiny to steal the treasure)
11:52 <DrJoeTr0n> Thar was a mutiny! You were stranded on an island for (insert variable time)
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, handling time could be tricky.  If it were single player, no problem, but multiplayer, it gets hard to skip time for one player
11:52 <DrJoeTr0n> well you can make it so they actually wait for that long
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> but that's not fun :)
11:53 <DrJoeTr0n> don't be a bad pirate :)
11:53 <DrJoeTr0n> captain*
11:53 <DrJoeTr0n> arrr
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> probably more like make them take 3 turns off or something like that, then start them in Tortuga or Port Royal, and they can borrow money to outfit a new ship
11:53 <DrJoeTr0n> and make it so they can spectate or something
11:53 <DrJoeTr0n> ok
11:53 <DrJoeTr0n> Lucifer_arma 
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> and then their old ship becomes a computer-controlled NPC that they can try to hunt down :)
11:54  * Lucifer_arma points out that Tortuga and Port Royal were real towns, pirate towns
11:54 <DrJoeTr0n> http://67.37.179.152/Pirates%20Gold%20(U)%20%5B!%5D.bin take this from me
11:55 <DrJoeTr0n> bah
11:55 <DrJoeTr0n> oh good it worked
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> what kind of emulator do I need?  Sega Genesis?
11:55 <DrJoeTr0n> yes
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> will mame play it?
11:55 <DrJoeTr0n> im not sure
11:56 <DrJoeTr0n> but i can give you a list of genesis emulators
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure I can google one up :)
11:56 <DrJoeTr0n> http://67.37.179.152/Pirates%20Gold%20(U)%20%5B!%5D.bin
11:56 <DrJoeTr0n> shit sorry
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> there's an emulator these days for just about everything you can want right now :)
11:56 <DrJoeTr0n> nah this is like the google of emulators
11:56 <DrJoeTr0n> http://www.zophar.net/unix/genesis.html
11:56 <DrJoeTr0n> they keep tabs on all of the emulators
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I think I've been there a few times :)
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> I occasionally play games that require emulators (like silent service)
11:58 <DrJoeTr0n> i strongly suggest gens
11:58 <DrJoeTr0n> the one for windows is rather amazing
11:58 <DrJoeTr0n> and thats what i use
11:58 <DrJoeTr0n> it even supports the bios files for 32X and Sega CD
11:58 <DrJoeTr0n> which both took months to find
11:59 <DrJoeTr0n> and involved me reformatting
11:59 <DrJoeTr0n> because my computer was devasted after lurking through the bowels of the internet
11:59 <DrJoeTr0n> but i got the files
11:59 <DrJoeTr0n> and still gotem :)
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm installing dgen
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> also, uae and vice while I'm at it
12:02 <DrJoeTr0n> want a list of other genesis games? :)
12:02 <DrJoeTr0n> i have an entire folder for them
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> (Mandriva provides some emulator packages :)  )
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> don't really know, I never played much sega genesis, and to be honest, I'm only really interested in multiplayer network games these days
12:02 <DrJoeTr0n> ah
12:03 <DrJoeTr0n> i lived for sega genesis when i was in grade school
12:04  * DrJoeTr0n notes that if you use gens, you should be able to do network gaming if Kailera is made for linux ;d
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12:06 <Lucifer_arma> er, how do I control it?
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> every key I hit is making the game reset :/
12:06 <DrJoeTron> never used dgen
12:06 <DrJoeTron> im pretty sure you have to bind the keys
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe I should install a different one.  :)  That's the one Mandriva had a package for, though
12:09 <DrJoeTron> dells come prepackaged with aol
12:11 <DrJoeTron> try out gens
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'll fool with it later.  It looks like I'll have to compile gens
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> sooo, need a server and client, obviously.  I think the server will run in a plain-jane python installation :)
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> client with pygame, that should be enough dependencies
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> which means I'll have to write the gui stuff myself, always a pain, but better than trying to convince qt to let me animate stuff in a frame where I'm going to end up wanting to use pygame anyway
12:16 <DrJoeTron> i see
12:17 <DrJoeTron> my problem my lack of knowledge about using anything else other than windows :/
12:17 <DrJoeTron> is*
12:17 <DrJoeTron> i've used mac OS too
12:17 <DrJoeTron> but meh
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, I use python so much because programs run more or less unmodified on other platforms :)
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> the server will probably require linux for awhile just to make my life a bit simpler, but the client will be written to run everywhere from the beginning, because it's useless to require linux for that
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> and then eventually, if I stick with it long enough and there's enough interest, the server will be turned into something that also runs everywhere
12:25 <DrJoeTron> but you DO plan on making a windows version?
12:25 <DrJoeTron> client at least?
12:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6485 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adapted to clio changes
12:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6486 /private/z-man/clio/ (dataconversion.hpp factory.hpp objectwrapper.hpp): Fixed some cloning issues.
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> yes.  There wouldn't be any players without a windows version :)
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'll probably throw my win2k disk in a qemu session to build it until someone volunteers to handle that for me
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> pygame is SDL for python, and SDL is a cross-platform game library
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13:15 <madmax|pt> hello
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6487 /private/z-man/clio/ (dataconversion_base.hpp functioninfo.hpp objectwrapper.hpp): Improved error messages.
13:22 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma want another board? :D
13:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6488 /private/z-man/clio/ (4 files): Unified calls to IoObject_clone into one utility function.
13:26 <DrJoeTron> It's a socket 478 dell motherboard 
13:26 <DrJoeTron> micro atx
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> I have a case for that that isn't too chewed up
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> what processor goes on socket 478?
13:30 <DrJoeTron> intel 
13:30 <DrJoeTron> im pretty sure its fried
13:30 <DrJoeTron> but
13:30 <DrJoeTron> im not sure antymore
13:31 <DrJoeTron> because of the fact the same problem happened to a the exact same board model i have for it
13:31 <DrJoeTron> and it just turned out it wasnt allowing me to mix ram speeds anymore
13:31 <DrJoeTron> as you can see im trying to get rid of my dell stuff
13:31 <DrJoeTron> but after being mishandled for 8 months
13:31 <DrJoeTron> im not sure if it will ever run again
13:31 <DrJoeTron> but hey
13:31 <DrJoeTron> also
13:32 <DrJoeTron> it doesnt have any real good way to mount it to the board
13:32 <DrJoeTron> ive had 3 dell computers in my life
13:32 <DrJoeTron> i've hated all of them
13:33 <DrJoeTron> the one thats left, was a free one after dell screwed up the order and gave us 2
13:33 <DrJoeTron> which turned into my brothers
13:33 <DrJoeTron> which i then built a computer for my brother when he decided one day he wanted to be a nerd.
13:33 <DrJoeTron> again.
13:34 <DrJoeTron> so now that computer is now the lobster cage.
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you send it, worst I'm gnig to do is toss it if I can't get it to work.  I am trying to avoid an accumulation of junk parts, but an accumulation of good parts is by definition good :)
13:37 <DrJoeTron> i would love to keep these parts
13:37 <DrJoeTron> but the fact of the matter is i dont have the space, nore the thought that i will ever put these to use in a next year or so
13:37 <DrJoeTron> so i dont want them.
13:38 <DrJoeTron> id much rather give them to someone who has actual thoughts in using them
13:41 <DrJoeTron> the mobo also has integrated graphic
13:41 <DrJoeTron> s
13:41 <DrJoeTron> you know what
13:41 <DrJoeTron> i wont burden you with it
13:41 <DrJoeTron> im 80% sure its crap
13:41 <DrJoeTron> its pretty much spideys pc
13:42 <DrJoeTron> so if you like crashing :p
13:42 <DrJoeTron> theres no agp slot
13:43 <DrJoeTron> im going to throw it out
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14:25 <guru3> vive k6
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14:36 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want a job so much as I want someone to just give me $200,000
14:37 <guru3> lol
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> socket programming looks fairly straightforward
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> I just need to open a listening socket and poll it
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> whenever someone connects, do accept() and add the new socket to the list to poll
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> and when a socket says it has data, send it to a higher layer to decode it, which will in turn stick it into the game's event system for processing by the main event loop
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, what should I call this pirate game?
15:06 <guru3> "The Pirate Game"
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15:31 <spidey> ...
15:31 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wtf you on about?
15:59 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6489 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Include aa_config.h in gArmagetron
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> how about "On the Spanish Main"?
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> do you ever want to respond to someone's request for help on the forums with "I don't think you're smart enough to do that"?
16:36 <spidey> LOL
16:36 <spidey> d00d
16:36 <spidey> i was playing halo, and there was this guy from spain there
16:37 <spidey> everytime i killed him he'd call me "a lagger" 
16:37 <spidey> my ping 67 his 230
16:37 <spidey> ;x
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> pot, kettle?
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> I made a grave mistake today already
16:37 <spidey> ?
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> I read about socket programming until it sounded easy, now I have to start on my pirate game
16:38 <spidey> you forget to feed luke-jr ?
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> that wouldn't be a mistake
16:38 <spidey> lol
16:45  * wrtlprnft throws luke-jr a smelly but standarized fish, RFC 4242
16:45 <wrtlprnft> omg, that RRC actually exists
16:48  * spidey goes to install hidden & dangerous
16:48 <spidey> it's where luke-jr hides and i hunt him
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> is there something wrong with liking the music in a scooby doo show?
17:04 <spidey> yes
17:04 <spidey> phag
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17:21 <spidey> joo r queer
17:21 <Lucifer_arma> spidey's been playing too many fps games, he's turning into an fps smeghead
17:22 <spidey> LOL
17:22 <spidey> what's the difference from that, and turn based smegheads? :D
17:23 <Lucifer_arma> turn-based smegheads have time to think about what they're writing?
17:24 <luke-jr_work> lol
17:24 <spidey> lol
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: did you ever get scorched3d working?
17:24 <spidey> scortched3d anyone? :D
17:24 <spidey> or
17:24 <spidey> as i say it
17:24 <spidey> S3D
17:24 <spidey> because it's a big word
17:25 <Lucifer_arma> and spidey doesn't use big words
17:25 <spidey> indeed
17:25 <spidey> they're to compecation!
17:25 <Lucifer_arma> can't play right now, working some more on my resume
17:26 <spidey> luke-jr, tomorrow
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> I had a headhunter tell me shit was missing that was supposed to be there, so I'm having to go back over it
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> I found Dice's txt exporter sucks, lots of shit was cut off
17:27 <spidey> dddddddddeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr
17:27 <spidey> actually now i'm thinking about it
17:28 <spidey> fps smegheads consist of 4 phrases  "you're a noob,you use aimbots,you hacker hacker, you cheatter"
17:29 <Lucifer_arma> what about "you lagger"?
17:29 <spidey> only if they have a 200 ping
17:30 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6490 /private/z-man/clio/ (4 files): Added lots of #undef statements for temporary macros.
17:30 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: it froze my PC
17:35 <Lucifer_arma> aww, too bad, it's a fun game
17:41 <spidey> luke-jr, ping
17:41 <spidey> was you playing fullscreen or windowed??
17:41 <luke-jr_work> ...
17:41 <luke-jr_work> windowed
17:41 <spidey> try it fullscreen
17:42 <luke-jr_work> fullscreen is even slower
17:42 <spidey> it crashed me doing windowed
17:42 <luke-jr_work> ...
17:42 <spidey> joe has problems playing windowed mode to
17:42 <luke-jr_work> it was only like 10 fps in windowed 640x480
17:42 <spidey> hm
17:42 <luke-jr_work> I don't want to know what would happen at fullscreen res
17:42 <spidey> i play at 800x600
17:43 <spidey> and it runs fine
17:45 <spidey> it's sad when even spell check can't help me
17:45 <spidey> i'm hopeless
17:49 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: any reason you keep around gRotator in the clio branch? It never worked (I was hoping for self_destructo to do some work, I only set up some basic stuff), and if there's scripting it'll be obsolete anyways
17:49 <wrtlprnft> *Io branch
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17:53 <[dlh]> I thought I deleted your code in the Io branch. The one there now is the one we'll use with scripting.
17:53 <wrtlprnft> hmm
17:53 <wrtlprnft> it still has the wrong #define / #ifndef, i'll fix that
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any problems running it fullscreen or windowed
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's because I use the binary nvidia drivers :)
17:55 <spidey> ?
17:55 <luke-jr_work> evil!
17:55 <spidey> the ones luke call immoral?
17:55 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6491 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/src/tron/gRotation.h: Fixed wrong #ifndef and #define names (ARMAGETRON_COCKPIT_H → ARMAGETRON_ROTATION_H), a leftover from copy&pasting.
17:55  * Lucifer_arma smiles
17:55 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: you Bush-ite!
17:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: now you fed luke-jr_work 
17:56 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to think of it as "baited"
17:56 <spidey> lol
17:56 <spidey> i'ma install macosx :D
17:57 <luke-jr_work> ...
17:57 <spidey> the new mac os x can be installed on a pc, since the intel mac stuff
17:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a brush my teeth, then fire up amarok.  The scooby doo music is stuck in my head and getting annoying
17:57 <spidey> there's ways
17:57 <spidey> just hard
17:58 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: another question, should i copy the stuff in private/z-man/clio somewhere to compile? If I try to compile the Io branch it complains about a missing state.hpp, and that file is in private/z-man/clio
17:58 <luke-jr_work> most OS X systems are PCs...
17:58 <spidey> on a x86 platform
17:59 <luke-jr_work> newer Macs run x86
17:59 <luke-jr_work> but why would you want x86? :p
17:59 <spidey> http://uneasysilence.com/os-x-proven-hacked-and-running-on-an-ordinary-pc/
18:01 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: You should add that directory to your include flags, and you need to link against clio. For the Mac OS X project I just added all the clio files.
18:01 <wrtlprnft> hmm, I'll try, thanks.
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Rackham  <-- the pirate whose flag is now the flag of the Luciferians
18:08 <Lucifer_arma> it's also his flag that's on the stickers my wife bought me for my car
18:09 <spidey> lol
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> I like that flag :)
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> his story is actually pretty interesting, too
18:11 <spidey> i can picture
18:11 <spidey> "lucifer in his pirate ship fighting modern naval ships"
18:11 <spidey> "oop, luci got pwned"
18:12 <luke-jr_work> how is his flag any different?
18:13 <spidey> joo luke r tEh sux
18:13  * luke-jr_work pwns spidey 
18:13 <spidey> psh
18:21  * Lucifer_arma points out that pirates generally ran their own flags, there isn't any standard pirate flag
18:22 <spidey> pirates suck, human eating zombies own
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> which is why luke-jr_work (hi there!) could never be a pirate
18:22 <luke-jr_work> civ has one
18:22 <spidey> luci
18:22 <spidey> can i make a unit
18:22 <spidey> it'll be
18:22 <spidey> "zombies"
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> civ has a generic barb flag that's intended to work as barbs for 5000 years
18:22 <spidey> future viral warfare :D
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> give a tech tree with it :)
18:23 <spidey> hmm
18:23 <spidey> k
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> you probably want to start at genetic engineering :)
18:23 <spidey> yea, was thinking that
18:24 <luke-jr_work> heh
18:24 <luke-jr_work> zombies should preexist it
18:24 <luke-jr_work> there's some kind of natural zombie poison thing
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> leprosy?
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> I mentioned that I added balloons, didn't I?
18:25 <wrtlprnft> great, now i'm getting a compile error inside io
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> I found a good balloon graphic on openclipart.org and made a balloon unit
18:25 <spidey> lol
18:26 <spidey> maybe
18:26 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: what is the error?
18:26 <spidey> start with chemistry
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> 0 attack, 1 defense, carries two units and has air vision (2 squares)
18:26 <spidey> and have a extra tech or two that you "have" to get before genetic engineering
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> moves slowly.  Couldn't figure out how to make it a trireme, the trireme flag invokes other rules besides the movement thing
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> but since it's an air unit, at the time you can build it you're pretty safe to move it through enemy territory to scout, which is what balloons were used for
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
18:27 <armabot> pong
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18:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back!  *kiss*
18:31 <spidey> lol
18:33 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/275593
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> what was that all about?  That happened to joe earlier too
18:36 <spidey> ??
18:37 <spidey> freenode drops users after a certain amount of time
18:37 <spidey> longest i've been connected is 2 weeks
18:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you mean armabot? that's the #herald you added ages ago
18:38 <wrtlprnft> 03:12 <Lucifer_arma> #herald add Lucifer_arma "Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back!  *kiss*"
18:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, I mean getting cut off from freenode and then logging back in, with no Lucifer_arma_ name
18:38 <wrtlprnft> 18:29 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@adsl-64-218-161-71.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
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18:38 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't close the connection
18:38 <wrtlprnft> maybe you were disconnected long enough so you timed out?
18:39 <wrtlprnft> Remote closed the connection != normal quit
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18:39 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 21 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal]
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18:40 <wrtlprnft> that's what you should see normally
18:40 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, if "Freenode" disconnects you
18:40 <spidey> your name is dropped too
18:40 <spidey> makes sense?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> i don't think Lucifer_arma was online for two weeks
18:40 <spidey> so?
18:41 <spidey> that doesn't stop freenode from refreshing him
18:41 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter that much :)
18:41 <Lucifer_arma> people get dropped all the time for weird reasons
18:41 <spidey> i was just stating the longest i've managed to stay connected is 2 weeks
18:41 <spidey> :D
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18:57 <spidey> i got tired of a blare of the monitor
18:58 <spidey> so i put a blanket over the window
18:58 <spidey> :D
19:10 <luke-jr_work> glare*
19:13 <spidey> ...
19:13 <spidey> typo
19:28 <deja_vu_> *g*
19:42 <spidey> deja_vu_, 
19:42 <deja_vu_> spidey: 
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19:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6492 /private/z-man/clio/stateregistrator.cpp: Fixed initialization order problem.
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19:49 <spidey> deja_vu_, 
19:49 <spidey> deja_vu_, 
19:49 <spidey> deja_vu_, 
19:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6493 /private/z-man/clio/dataconversion_base.hpp: Even with pass by pointer, C++ created objects now stay owned by C++.
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19:53 <z-man-work> grr
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> grr?
19:57 <z-man-work> it renamed me
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> oh
20:11 <spidey> lol
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21:12 <spidey> hm
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22:55 <DrJoeTron> spidey pong?
22:56 <spidey> DrJoeTron, dong
22:56 <DrJoeTron> get bf2
22:56 <spidey> i can't play it...
22:56 <spidey> not right now
22:56 <spidey> i told you not till early janurary
22:58 <DrJoeTron> hurry up and wait? :D
23:00 <spidey> heh
23:01 <spidey> Vanhayes, DrJoeTron Lucifer_arma  ping
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> what?!?
23:08 <spidey> s3d? 
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> not for me, it'll have to be later--much later, like after everyone goes to bed, assuming I don't go to bed too
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's not for lack of want, though.  :)
23:10 <spidey> lol
23:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6494 /private/z-man/clio/forcesemicolon.hpp: Using empty anonymous enum to force semicolons now.
23:15 <luke-jr_work> spidey: f4a?
23:15 <spidey> ??
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23:17 <spidey> luke-jr_work, '
23:18 <luke-jr_work> f4a!
23:19 <spidey> ...
23:19 <luke-jr_work> spidey: spidey 
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv four armagetron?
23:19 <spidey> for?
23:19 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma gets the prize
23:19 <spidey> wtf's that??
23:20 <spidey> and what about it
23:20 <luke-jr_work> for the best meaning to 3 random characters
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> it means that if you develop gunpowder, you can play on pig's server
23:20 <spidey> and why do you keep making xchat go hey dummy look at me
23:20 <luke-jr_work> spidey: 
23:20 <luke-jr_work> haha
23:20 <luke-jr_work> Pig Sty (Wonder)
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> XMPP Integration (Wonder)
23:21 -!- deja_vu_ [n=deja_vu@p5092106D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["leaving"]
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> last tech you can get is "Mutual Agreement on Everything"
23:21 <spidey> wtf's xmpp anyways
23:21 <spidey> my p2 has it
23:22 <spidey> luke-jr_work, what the fuck about it?
23:22 <luke-jr_work> your p2 has xmpp?
23:22 <luke-jr_work> wtf
23:22 <spidey> i think
23:22 <spidey> lemme check
23:23 <spidey> MMX
23:23 <spidey> :D
23:23 <luke-jr_work> O.o
23:23  * Lucifer_arma whacks spidey with a clue bat
23:24  * Lucifer_arma shoots spidey with a clue musket
23:24  * Lucifer_arma slashes spidey with a clue light saber
23:24  * Lucifer_arma runs spidey over with a clue light cycle
23:24  * spidey runs Lucifer_arma over with a i don't give a fuck car
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> poser
23:25 <spidey> loser
23:25  * Lucifer_arma unleashes an unending spiel of rhetoric that results in spidey having third degree burns all over his body
23:26 <luke-jr_work> too bad quotes need to be single line
23:27  * spidey doesn't
23:27  * spidey know
23:27  * spidey what
23:27  * spidey you
23:27  * spidey mean
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> #q
23:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:37 AM, March 24, 2006)
23:28 <luke-jr_work> spidey: my 286 has XML! :p
23:29 <spidey> i still don't know what you're talking about
23:29 <spidey> ...#quote add something "#quote get someothernumber"
23:29 <luke-jr_work> ..
23:30 <spidey> ..
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> my calculator has multiplication!
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> #q
23:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:32 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: stop that
23:32 <DrJoeTron> no way
23:33 <luke-jr_work> >:O
23:33 <luke-jr_work> or else I make your P2 have XMPP!
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> #q
23:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take to change a light bulb?" (added by hang3r at 07:41 AM, March 31, 2006)
23:33  * Lucifer_arma still wants to know the answer to that question
23:34 <DrJoeTron> hey, hey luke-jr 
23:34 <DrJoeTron> guess what...
23:34 <DrJoeTron> :)
23:34 <spidey> heh
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> #q
23:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> #herald
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> #list herald
23:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, change, default, get, and remove
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> #herald remove
23:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> you guys are making too much noise!
23:40 <DrJoeTron> pwns don't working against me
23:40 <DrJoeTron> they don't exsist
23:40 <spidey> hmm
23:41 <spidey> this thing works
23:41 <spidey> i've smoked 1 1/2 cigarettes today
23:41 <spidey> usually it's a pack a day
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> just woke up?
23:41 <spidey> no
23:41 <spidey> i woke up at 8 am
23:41 <spidey> it's some patch thing my grandma's making me use
23:41 <spidey> lol
23:41 <luke-jr_work> lol
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> "where can I find good deals in Austria?"
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, in austria?
23:42 <spidey> lol
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> oops
23:43 <spidey> luke-jr, 
23:43 <spidey> you suck
23:43 <luke-jr_work> u
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> nobody thawed out the chicken I'm supposed to cook tonight
23:43 <spidey> luke-jr, 
23:43 <spidey> you suck
23:43 <luke-jr_work> u
23:43 <spidey> luke-jr, you suck Lucifer_arma's balls
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> they don't fit in his mouth
23:44 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
23:44 <spidey> lol
23:44 <spidey> hm
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> who's the idiot that gave luke op here?
23:44 <spidey> heh
23:44 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by luke-jr_work [User terminated!]
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23:45 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr_work] by luke-jr_work
23:45 <spidey> my /join button says you suck ass
23:45 <spidey> :)
23:45 <luke-jr_work> my /kick button said that was uncalled for
23:45 <spidey> you still suck Lucifer_arma's balls!
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&engine=2&dockey=xml/0/6/06ae9a4f37d1279fb158a9c99481a317@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> can anybody translate that page for me?  I don't think it was written in english...
23:46 <spidey> ???
23:46 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
23:46 <spidey> it looks fine to me
23:46 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v spidey] by luke-jr_work
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's like, I know all the words used to write that page, but the way they're strung together doesn't make any sense
23:47 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr_work] by luke-jr_work
23:47 <luke-jr_work> heh
23:47 <spidey> maybe because i speak spidish anyways
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23:47 <spidey> 'er
23:47 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:47 <spidey> wrong one
23:47 <spidey> i hit /cycle instead of /ping luke-jr_work
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23:48 <spidey> pwned
23:48 <spidey> rofl
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23:48 <spidey> look at that, i don't even have to kick luke-jr, freenode does it for me!
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23:48 <spidey> <spidey> look at that, i don't even have to kick luke-jr, freenode does it for me!
23:49  * Lucifer_arma has left this server (terrorists have attacked my balls!)
23:49 <luke-jr_work> I'd say what happened, but I think it'd enable you all to crash Konversation on me
23:49 <luke-jr_work> #last --nolimit
23:49 <armabot> luke-jr_work: [23:52:03] <luke-jr_work> I'd say what happened, but I think it'd enable you all to crash Konversation on me, [23:51:58] * Lucifer_arma has left this server (terrorists have attacked my balls!), [23:51:52] <spidey> <spidey> look at that, i don't even have to kick luke-jr, freenode does it for me!, [23:51:40] <spidey> look at that, i don't even have to kick luke-jr, freenode does it for me!, [23:51:21] (15 more messages)
23:49 <luke-jr_work> @more
23:49 <luke-jr_work> #more
23:49 <armabot> luke-jr_work: <spidey> rofl, [23:51:20] <spidey> pwned, [23:50:52] <spidey> i hit /cycle instead of /ping luke-jr_work, [23:50:29] <spidey> wrong one, [23:50:28] <luke-jr_work> ..., [23:50:27] <spidey> 'er, [23:50:04] <spidey> maybe because i speak spidish anyways, [23:50:02] <luke-jr_work> heh, [23:49:52] <Lucifer_arma> it's like, I know all the words used to write that page, but the way they're strung together (14 more messages)
23:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, that's not terrorists
23:49 <spidey> that's luke-jr 
23:49 <spidey> he's jealous you didn't give him a peice
23:49 <spidey> ;
23:49 <spidey> ;x
23:52 <spidey> luke-jr, what version of Konversation are you using?
23:53 <luke-jr_work> nothing
23:53 <spidey> pwned
23:57 <DrJoeTron> shutup spidey
23:57 <spidey> eat shit :D
23:57 <DrJoeTron> pwned is not a word!
23:58 <spidey> it is so
23:58 <DrJoeTron> see thats better than "PWNED ROFL ^_^ KEKEKE"
23:58 <spidey> you just don't speak spidish
23:58 <DrJoeTron> i dont speak 14 year old :d
23:58 <spidey> but it is a word in spidish
23:58 <DrJoeTron> derived from 14 year olds :V
23:58 <spidey> yes
23:58 <spidey> but
23:59 <spidey> that doesn't alter the fact...it is a word in spidish
23:59 <DrJoeTron> spidish: anorther way to talk like a 14 year old :)
23:59 <luke-jr_work> hm, DrJoeTron acting mature
23:59 <luke-jr_work> :o

Log from 2006-12-12:
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00:01 <DrJoeTron> because im such a wild, rowdy. rapscallion, every other time i speak.
00:02 <DrJoeTron> i just hate that type of talk
00:03 <DrJoeTron> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
00:03 <DrJoeTron> :)
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add rules echo A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
00:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> #rules
00:08 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
00:08 <luke-jr_work> you should rephrase it..
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> no, I *could* rephrase it
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> could != should
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> what I *should* do is clean my kitchen and cook dinner
00:10 <DrJoeTron> haha
00:10 <DrJoeTron> i got that from the SAclopedia 
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> The student could easily have afforded to pay the measly $290 for Microsoft Word to write his thesis, legally. After all the selfish little filcher was paying over $14,000 for his education! Although this law prevented a hard-working student from graduating, much more should have been done.
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.piratesinfo.com/detail/detail.php?article_id=77
00:15 <luke-jr_work> wtf
00:17 <DrJoeTron> i love chicago style popcorn :)
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.05 * 3000
00:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 0.05 * 3,000 = 150
00:18 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: are you still working on ACME?
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> you love popcorn on a thick, wheat crust with cheese under the sauce?
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: not right at this moment
00:18 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: is there a working version?
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> I want to rewrite it with pyqt4
00:19 <luke-jr_work> pyqt4 is broken
00:19 <luke-jr_work> it fails to emerge
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> only whatever was in cvs, which worked, but only worked for a beta dtd
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't mean it's broken, it means you're using a worthless distribution
00:19 <DrJoeTron> chicago style popcorn is a mix of buttered popcorn, caramel corn, and cheese corn.
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not like chicago style pizza then?
00:19 <DrJoeTron> not at all
00:20 <DrJoeTron> this is the type of popcorn god would eat if he d(oes)id) exsist
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> then it sucks?
00:20 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: you make a good point, but I'm not going to fix it just so I can use ACME :p
00:20 <DrJoeTron> its powerful and fearsome
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> god only likes sucky things, that's how we know he loves luke-jr_work (hi there!) 
00:20 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:21 <DrJoeTron> god loves all loaded walltet carrying citizens ;)
00:21 <DrJoeTron> wallet*
00:24 <DrJoeTron> #rules
00:25 <DrJoeTron> #kazaam!
00:26 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
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00:39 <DrJoeTron> anyone one want to tell me the command for adjusting the ammounts of turns in a second?
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00:59 <Lucifer_arma_> CYCLE_DELAY ?
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01:00 <Lucifer_arma> quick, someone send me $200,000 before I go to hell!
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> GOD WILL TAKE AWAY MY EYESIGHT if you don't SEND ME YOUR MONEY!
01:00  * Lucifer_arma wonders if there's any money in being an irc evangelist
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01:27 <ghableska> #weather 50265
01:29 <ghableska> ...
01:31 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 46.4°F (6:12 PM CST on December 11, 2006). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa. 
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01:37 <A7XBean> Hello Everybody
01:38 <A7XBean> ok ill just leave then
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01:40 <DrJoeTron> good
01:40 <ghableska> :P
01:40 <DrJoeTron> im glad everyone keeps quiet whenever there is stranger danger.
01:40 <ghableska> yep
01:41 <ghableska> although IRC is usually quiet already...
01:41 <DrJoeTron> oooh bbl dinner time
01:46 <madmax|pt> #weather lppt
01:46 <armabot> madmax|pt: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 46.4°F (12:30 AM WET on December 12, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa. 
01:46 <madmax|pt> #46.4f in 
01:46 <madmax|pt> #46.4f in c
01:46 <madmax|pt> argh
01:46 <madmax|pt> #g 46.4f in c
01:46 <armabot> madmax|pt: 46.4 degrees Fahrenheit = 8 degrees Celsius
01:46 <madmax|pt> :S
01:51 <madmax|pt> gnight
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02:09 <DrJoeTron> ko
02:09 <DrJoeTron> ho kai
02:09 <DrJoeTron> ghableska what do you have on steam?
02:11 <DrJoeTron> Yes!
02:11 <DrJoeTron> amd finally took the lead over intel on the system survey
02:12 <ghableska> DrJoeTron, nothing :P
02:13 <DrJoeTron> http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
02:13 <ghableska> well, no full games
02:13 <DrJoeTron> ah
02:13 <ghableska> lots of demos :P
02:13 <DrJoeTron> :( i wanted someone to play hl2 DM with
02:13 <ghableska> ask spidey :)
02:13 <DrJoeTron> spideys computer cant handle hl2
02:14 <ghableska> haha
02:14 <DrJoeTron> well i mean hl2 really is sort of a bench mark still
02:14 <ghableska> yeah
02:14 <DrJoeTron> if your pc can run hl2 ok, you can run just about anything still
02:14 <ghableska> the demo runs great for me
02:14 <spidey> ..
02:14 <spidey> i couldn't play it off steam
02:14 <spidey> though i can't play alot of demos off steam
02:15 <DrJoeTron> you cant play hl2 without steam
02:15 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: is css worth purchasing?
02:15 <DrJoeTron> Valve made hl2 and steam
02:15 <spidey> no
02:15 <ghableska> no?
02:15 <DrJoeTron> hmmm... ghableska 
02:15 <DrJoeTron> tough question
02:15 <ghableska> O_o
02:15 <DrJoeTron> have you ever played CS ever?
02:16 <ghableska> no :P
02:16 <DrJoeTron> ok
02:16 <ghableska> wish there was a demo for it...
02:16 <spidey> no he ever has ever
02:16 <DrJoeTron> you're going to either LOVE IT or HATE IT
02:16 <ghableska> oh?
02:16 <DrJoeTron> and that love is ever lasting
02:16 <ghableska> haha
02:16 <spidey> don't ask joe questions
02:16 <ghableska> I dunno, I've never loathed a video game before: P
02:16 <ghableska> *:P
02:16 <spidey> he loves every game when he plays it
02:16 <DrJoeTron> you're going to bitch about it, but have this unconditional love for it
02:16 <spidey> then he changes his mind
02:17 <spidey> then he changes his mind again
02:17 <ghableska> haha
02:17 <spidey> then...
02:17 <spidey> again
02:17 <DrJoeTron> thats how it is with CS:S
02:17 <ghableska> heh
02:17 <DrJoeTron> when i got it i played it none stop for months
02:17 <DrJoeTron> so in all reality
02:17 <DrJoeTron> buy it
02:17 <DrJoeTron> its alot of fun
02:17 <ghableska> I saw a gmod10 css combo
02:17 <DrJoeTron> garrys mod is a lot of fun
02:18 <spidey> css is easy to hack
02:18 <spidey> they keep all there stuff client side
02:18 <DrJoeTron> yup
02:18 <DrJoeTron> and its blatently obvious
02:18 <DrJoeTron> and they are usually kicked instantly
02:18 <spidey> heh
02:19 <DrJoeTron> besides, its the most popular online game still
02:19 <ghableska> oh
02:19 <spidey> i refuse to play a game  with more aimbotters than halo
02:19 <spidey> it pisses me off
02:19 <spidey> then i kill them
02:19 <ghableska> :P
02:19 <spidey> then i get botted for the rest of the round
02:19 <DrJoeTron> see spidey of all the tmes i've played
02:19 <DrJoeTron> ive ran into a cheater like...4 times
02:20 <spidey> knowing my luck
02:20 <DrJoeTron> besides if you're caught they ban your steam id
02:20 <spidey> i'll run into one in every server i join
02:20 <DrJoeTron> its not as big as a cess pool as you think
02:20 <DrJoeTron> knowing you you'll accuse anyone who is doing good, a cheater.
02:20 <spidey> i love joining games that use punk buster
02:20 <spidey> and hear
02:20 <spidey> "hacker!@"
02:21 <spidey> like every 2 minutes
02:21 <DrJoeTron> steam doesnt use punkbuster
02:21 <spidey> ...
02:21 <ghableska> I was accused of hacking while playing BF2142 :P
02:21 <DrJoeTron> ;)
02:21 <spidey> steam isn't a game
02:21 <ghableska> it uses VAC2
02:21 <DrJoeTron> i was too
02:21 <spidey> punkbuster runs aside a game
02:21 <spidey> it's a server/client type thing
02:21 <DrJoeTron> spidey, most people associate steam with every valve game
02:21 <ghableska> it was funny, because this guy camped in the same spot every time
02:21 <ghableska> and I got so many points :D
02:21 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:22 <spidey> lol
02:22 <DrJoeTron> BF2 uses punkbuster
02:22 <spidey> ghableska, get halo demo
02:22 <spidey> ;p
02:22 <DrJoeTron> its retarded
02:22 <ghableska> I did...two years ago or something
02:22 <DrJoeTron> i hate how flawed it is
02:22 <spidey> ;/
02:22 <ghableska> it was fun for a while
02:22 <spidey> well
02:22 <spidey> get it again ;p
02:22 <ghableska> nah
02:22 <DrJoeTron> ghableska go with CS
02:23 <ghableska> yeah!
02:23 <DrJoeTron> CS:S is loads of fun
02:23 <ghableska> screw halo
02:23 <DrJoeTron> thats my boy!
02:23 <spidey> screw you!
02:23 <spidey> i hope you fall on your head! (again)
02:23 <spidey> :D
02:23 <DrJoeTron> ghableska you know how CS is played right?
02:23 <ghableska> round based
02:23 <ghableska> not spawn?
02:23 <DrJoeTron> one hit you're dead, watch the round end
02:23 <DrJoeTron> wel
02:23 <DrJoeTron> not one hit your dead
02:24 <DrJoeTron> depends on the gun :p
02:24 <DrJoeTron> also
02:24 <DrJoeTron> something i want to try
02:24 <ghableska> heh
02:24 <DrJoeTron> they just added a dynamic weapons list
02:24 <ghableska> yeah, I heard about that
02:24 <ghableska> dynamic pricing
02:24 <DrJoeTron> i hear kevlar and helmet is like $1000  and just kevlar is like 200
02:25 <ghableska> O_o
02:25 <ghableska> well, headshots aren't good :P
02:25 <DrJoeTron> that wont protect you
02:25 <DrJoeTron> especially when people use the AWP
02:25 <DrJoeTron> god that thing is so cheap
02:25 <ghableska> AWP?
02:25 <DrJoeTron> i love the console too
02:26 <DrJoeTron> when you bring it up, it tells you where you were shot and for how much
02:26 <ghableska> messing around with the console was fun in hl2
02:26 <DrJoeTron> and how much you did to them
02:26 <ghableska> (demo)
02:26 <DrJoeTron> it is!
02:26 <ghableska> making zombies fight combine soldiers
02:26 <DrJoeTron> the console is so fun on hl2
02:26 <DrJoeTron> my favorite thing was after beating the game
02:26 <DrJoeTron> warp to the citadel and then go back to first chapter
02:27 <DrJoeTron> and starting off with the super gravity gun
02:27 <DrJoeTron> so i could rip things off of walls and hurl people across the room
02:27 <DrJoeTron> that never gets old
02:27 <ghableska> ^_^
02:29 <DrJoeTron> CS:S is 20 bucks
02:29 <DrJoeTron> what can you lose?
02:29 <spidey> 20 bucks
02:30 <ghableska> 20 bucks isn't much
02:30 <DrJoeTron> it really isnt
02:30 <ghableska> for a game which never really ends...
02:30 <DrJoeTron> especially for when i got the game
02:30 <DrJoeTron> well...
02:30 <ghableska> hmm?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> i technically got it for free
02:30 <ghableska> O_O
02:30 <ghableska> How?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> because it comes with HL2
02:30 <ghableska> oh
02:30 <DrJoeTron> if you buy it at the store
02:30 <ghableska> how much did you pay for Hl2?
02:31 <DrJoeTron> but i bought it for like 60 bucks
02:31 <DrJoeTron> and it came on 5 CD's
02:31 <DrJoeTron> it was HUGE
02:31 <ghableska> O_O
02:31 <DrJoeTron> needless to say one of the cd's has a crack at the end
02:31 <DrJoeTron> disc 3 i think
02:31 <DrJoeTron> so i cant use them anymor
02:31 <ghableska> I hope they put them on DVD's now, lol.
02:31 <DrJoeTron> and this is exactly why steam is cool
02:31 <DrJoeTron> they do
02:32 <DrJoeTron> but that cost more
02:32 <DrJoeTron> but they gave you half life: source
02:32 <ghableska> Ah.
02:32 <DrJoeTron> after you type the CD key into your steam account
02:32 <DrJoeTron> its saved on it forever
02:32 <DrJoeTron> so if you lose the discs and need to install
02:33 <DrJoeTron> just click the game and it will install the game from their database
02:33 <ghableska> cool
02:33 <DrJoeTron> its awesome
02:33 <DrJoeTron> the games are huge though
02:33 <DrJoeTron> so its an endeavor
02:33 <ghableska> yeah
02:33 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
02:33 <ghableska> especially if you have a slow internet connection
02:33 <DrJoeTron> nah
02:33 <DrJoeTron> doesnt even matter sometimes if its a day when a game launches
02:33 -!- [dlh] [n=[dlh]@a0204.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit ["⌘Q"]
02:33 <DrJoeTron> their servers are stockpiled
02:34 <DrJoeTron> its not even close to as bad as when half life 2 was launched
02:34 <GodTodd> goddamn you joe
02:35 <ghableska> ...?
02:35 <DrJoeTron> ghableska ok
02:35 <DrJoeTron> best buy has halflife 2 game of the year addition
02:35 <DrJoeTron> for 30 bucks
02:35 <DrJoeTron> if you buy that
02:35 <DrJoeTron> you get hl2 dm (which is free no matter what) and CS:S
02:36 <ghableska> hmm
02:36 <ghableska> what's hl2 dm like?
02:36 <DrJoeTron> loads of fun
02:36 <DrJoeTron> especially with the gravity gun
02:36  * ghableska doesn't really like dm
02:36 <DrJoeTron> i dont either
02:37 <DrJoeTron> but we have fun with the settings and build stuff
02:37 <DrJoeTron> and then blow each other up
02:37 <ghableska> I'd prefer more team-oriented games
02:37 <ghableska> haha
02:37 <ghableska> well, gmod is multiplayer too, right?
02:37 <DrJoeTron> well i mean
02:37 <DrJoeTron> hl2 dm is free if you buy hl2 anyways
02:37 <DrJoeTron> because its like, the 2nd mod for it
02:37 <ghableska> oh
02:37 <DrJoeTron> garrys mod is extremely laggy online
02:37 <ghableska> really?
02:37 <DrJoeTron> ungodly
02:38 <DrJoeTron> even on a lan
02:38 <DrJoeTron> its horrid
02:38 <ghableska> haha
02:39 <spidey> your computer just sucks
02:39 <ghableska> spidey: look who's talking
02:39 <DrJoeTron> ghab can run hl2
02:39 <DrJoeTron> so he doesnt need to worry
02:40 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: ever played in a 64 player titan server? XD
02:40 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
02:40 <spidey> my computer runs what ~i want~
02:40 <spidey> not these bajillion fuckin games joe wants me to get
02:40 <DrJoeTron> ghableska garrys mod's discrimination knows no bounds
02:41 <DrJoeTron> hl2 and bf2 = bajillion
02:41 <ghableska> O_o
02:41 <spidey> ugh
02:41 <spidey> lets see
02:41 <spidey> this is just a few
02:41 <spidey> warrock
02:41 <spidey> guild wars
02:41 <ghableska> I want portal :-/
02:41 <DrJoeTron> wait
02:41 <spidey> bf2
02:41 <ghableska> warrock sucks
02:41 <spidey> annd the bf's
02:41 <spidey> what else
02:41 <DrJoeTron> someone else got you to play warrock
02:41 <spidey> hl
02:41 <spidey> hl2
02:41 <spidey> bs
02:41 <spidey> you did
02:41 <spidey> you got me and hayes
02:41 <spidey> not stfu
02:41 <ghableska> and spidey got me :P
02:42 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:42 <DrJoeTron> guild wars i still play
02:42 <ghableska> I miss Bf2.
02:42 <DrJoeTron> you had bf2?
02:42 <ghableska> demo :P
02:42 <DrJoeTron> ah
02:42 <DrJoeTron> Mount up!
02:42 <ghableska> it took skill to fly the airplanes/ helis
02:42 <ghableska> "Clear!:
02:42 <DrJoeTron> You'll live buddy! Now get back to the fight!
02:43 <ghableska> hahaha
02:43 <DrJoeTron> Enemy Boat Spotted
02:43 <ghableska> >_>
02:43 <DrJoeTron> Enemy Boat Spotted Enemy Boat Spotted Enemy Boat Spotted Enemy Boat Spotted Enemy Boat Spotted Enemy Boat Spotted 
02:43 <ghableska> I hated those commanders
02:43 <ghableska> they disabled spam protection and wouldn't shut up
02:43 <DrJoeTron> i loved watching the people go and fly the plane upside down into the water
02:43 <ghableska> lol
02:44 <DrJoeTron> while they kill the entire team in the process for it
02:44 <ghableska> everyone waited around for the planes to spawn
02:44 <DrJoeTron> of course
02:44 <DrJoeTron> btw
02:44 <DrJoeTron> that map
02:44 <DrJoeTron> gulf of oman
02:44 <ghableska> hehe
02:44 <DrJoeTron> one of THE best maps on  their
02:44 <ghableska> I liked the crane :)
02:45 <ghableska> if you had a squad leader go up really high with the blackhawk, you could spawn from him and parachute ANYWHERE
02:45 <DrJoeTron> my friend and i usually go in the chopper or fly the planes and destroy everything
02:45 <DrJoeTron> oh god!
02:45 <DrJoeTron> the blackhawk was so nerfed :/
02:45 <ghableska> :P
02:45 <DrJoeTron> see heres what we did
02:45 <ghableska> a whole squad of snipers on a crane :D
02:45 <DrJoeTron> we'd go in the blackhawk, pilot would be squadleader and a medic
02:45 <DrJoeTron> 2 gunners, and an engineer in the back
02:46 <DrJoeTron> so as you got shot the egineer virtually instantly repairs the blackhawk
02:46 <DrJoeTron> and the blackhawk had this rediculous ammount of armor
02:46 <DrJoeTron> it could not be stopped
02:46 <ghableska> haha, nice
02:46 <DrJoeTron> unless you rammed it :p
02:47 <ghableska> true
02:47 <ghableska> kamakazi pilots
02:47 <ghableska> btw, that's a good way of bringing down a walker
02:47 <DrJoeTron> my favorite thing to do now is to drive the planes
02:48 <DrJoeTron> when on the mec side
02:48 <DrJoeTron> i'll just take the fighter, hook it to the left and just start driving it down the road
02:48 <ghableska> yeah, you can get lots of points from people sitting around on the carrier
02:48 <DrJoeTron> oh no
02:48 <ghableska> if you're on MEC. :P
02:48 <ghableska> it sucked
02:48 <DrJoeTron> no way
02:48 <DrJoeTron> i love being Mec
02:48 <DrJoeTron> you learn to love them all
02:48 <ghableska> especially when you were one of the people who waited around for the planes to spawn
02:49 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ghableska lets play defcon
02:49 <DrJoeTron> trust me ghableska when you play with people you know on like a voip, its a whole different game.
02:50 <DrJoeTron> you'll try and be super tactical, and then realize "dick stole my plane! i jusst planted c4 on it though, so he's in for a suprise"
02:50 <ghableska> hahaha
02:50 <ghableska> with ts?
02:50 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:50 <ghableska> hmm, I think I had that a long time agot oo
02:50 <DrJoeTron> the one for bf2 sucks
02:51 <ghableska> *ago too
02:51 <DrJoeTron> my friend and i play every friday from like 7pm to 2am
02:51 <DrJoeTron> roughly around there
02:51 <ghableska> heh
02:53 <spidey> "you hac....(headshot)....ker
02:53 <spidey> x;
02:53 <ghableska> :P
02:53 <spidey> i love playing no sheilds
02:54 <spidey> and 400% health
02:54 <spidey> i can headshot atleast once every person i aim at
02:54 <ghableska> :P
02:54 <spidey> headshot = instant death no matter what the health is
02:54 <spidey> and they're sitting there hitting my body and legs and stuff doing almost no damage
02:54 <spidey> it's like
02:54 <spidey> pwn!
02:55 <DrJoeTron> #rules
02:55 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
02:56 <DrJoeTron> but uh yeah ghableska let me know if you get hl2 or css
02:57 <spidey> #cnn 38256
02:57 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, TN is 59.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Wind: SE at 6 mph (10 km/h).
02:57 <spidey> nice out
02:58 <spidey> DrJoeTron, you're the only one who bitches about "pwn"
02:58 <spidey> so stfu
02:58 <spidey> PWN PWN PWN
02:58 <spidey> zpmg
02:58 <spidey> ZPMG
02:58 <spidey> #help rules
02:58 <armabot> spidey: (rules <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.".
02:59 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:59 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 46.4°F (7:29 PM CST on December 11, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa. 
03:07 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
03:07 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 58.8°F (8:07 PM CST on December 11, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa. 
03:07 <GodTodd> man...i haven't been addicted to punch out since like 7th grade...
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03:21 <spidey> brb
03:21 <ghableska> o.0
03:43 <spidey> JPP R TEH PWNED!
03:44 <spidey> #night
03:44 <armabot> Good night spidey!
03:53 <DrJoeTron> ghableska http://steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=stats&cc=--
03:54 <DrJoeTron> click view detailed statistics
03:54 <ghableska> ok...
03:54 <ghableska> wow!
03:55 <DrJoeTron> source isnt as popular
03:55 <ghableska> yeah...
03:55 <ghableska> higher system requirements?
03:55 <DrJoeTron> but thats because cs v1.6 runs on everything
03:56 <DrJoeTron> but still
03:56 <DrJoeTron> thats alot of servers
03:56 <ghableska> yeah
03:56 <ghableska> what's day of defeat?
04:00 <DrJoeTron> world war II game
04:00 <ghableska> hmm
04:00 <ghableska> I really want portal :)
04:00 <DrJoeTron> its pretty fun
04:00 <DrJoeTron> we all do
04:00 <DrJoeTron> :)
04:00 <ghableska> heh
04:00 <DrJoeTron> have you ever tried narbackular drop?
04:01 <DrJoeTron> i think i misspelled that totally
04:01 <DrJoeTron> but thats what portal is based off of
04:01 <DrJoeTron> its a free game i believe
04:01 <DrJoeTron> also
04:01 <DrJoeTron> if you're waiting for episode 2 to comeout
04:02 <DrJoeTron> note that TF2 is coming with :)
04:02 <DrJoeTron> and i cannot wait for that
04:02 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: yeah, that's fun too
04:02 <ghableska> heh, I like the TF2 and portal trailers :)
04:02 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
04:03 <DrJoeTron> i've been waiting for tf2 for years
04:03 <ghableska> "As part of a previously-mentioned required test protocol, we can no longer lie to you. When the testing is over, you will be... missed!"
04:16 <DrJoeTron> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6947118853654187245&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en poor poor asimo :(
04:18 <ghableska> heh
04:31 <ghableska> #weather 50265
04:31 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 46.4°F (9:01 PM CST on December 11, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa. 
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04:55 <Lucifer_arma> pwn isn't a word
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> man, I was expecting to come back and see spidey whining about wanting to play scorched3d
04:56 <ghableska> instead you came back and saw spidey whining about...?
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> nothing, believe it or not
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> he went to bed, apparently
04:57 <ghableska> o.0
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05:38 <DrJoeTron> oh god
05:38 <DrJoeTron> national no probation day is hilarious
05:39 <DrJoeTron> if you post something stupid on the sa boards, you get put on probation and cant post for "insert time here"
05:39 <DrJoeTron> today they got rid of it for the day, and instead they just ban you for minor infractions.
05:44 <GodTodd> so...how'd you get banned? ;)
05:45 <DrJoeTron> i havent yet
05:45 <DrJoeTron> i never post :.
05:45 <DrJoeTron> i dont plan on it today
05:45 <GodTodd> yet...nice choice of words
05:45 <GodTodd> heh
05:46 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
05:46 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php welcome to the lepers colony
05:47 <DrJoeTron> i mean people get banned for pretty much being totally retarded\
05:48 <GodTodd> you wanna take my last final for me, joe?
05:49 <DrJoeTron> whats it in
05:49 <GodTodd> trig
05:49 <DrJoeTron> and then will you take my last one?
05:49 <GodTodd> what's it in?
05:49 <DrJoeTron> can i just draw dinosaurs?
05:49 <DrJoeTron> graphic design
05:49 <GodTodd> ummm no
05:50 <GodTodd> yeah..i'll take yours :)
05:50 <GodTodd> heh
05:50 <DrJoeTron> hah
05:51 <GodTodd> you have two days to study for mine :)
05:52 <DrJoeTron> mine is tommarow
05:52 <DrJoeTron> shit
05:52 <GodTodd> tomorrow?
05:52 <GodTodd> :P
05:52 <DrJoeTron> curse you spell correct
05:52 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
05:52 <DrJoeTron> tomorrow
05:52 <DrJoeTron> there we go
05:53 <DrJoeTron> i only set it to work with tom arrow
05:53 <GodTodd> haha
05:53 <DrJoeTron> see now there is no excuse for spelling like crap a billion times on the same word you use frequently
05:54 <GodTodd> exactly
05:54 <GodTodd> computers rule :)
05:59 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:00 <GodTodd> hrmm
07:00 <GodTodd> this channel's not nearly as amusing as it normally is
07:01 <GodTodd> oh....i see why
07:12 <DrJoeTron> awesome
07:13 <DrJoeTron> some stranger over the internet just spent money on me
07:16 <GodTodd> how much?
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07:53 <DrJoeTron> 5 bucks
07:53 <DrJoeTron> sorry it took so long
07:54 <DrJoeTron> i decided to be apart of a "new guy adoption thread"
07:54 <DrJoeTron> so he's helping me "break the ice" in the retarded section of the boards
07:56 <DrJoeTron> and decided he liked me and spent 5 bucks so i can get an avatar
08:05 <GodTodd> haha
08:06 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2222932&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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08:11 <GodTodd> heh
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08:53 <Durka> is joda here?
08:53 <DrJoeTron> now i need to come up with an avatar
08:53 <DrJoeTron> nk
08:53 <DrJoeTron> no
08:54 <Durka> is dr joe tron here?
08:54 <DrJoeTron> probably
08:54 <Durka> o
08:54 <Durka> do u know where
08:54 <DrJoeTron> let me ping him
08:54 <Durka> k
08:54 <DrJoeTron> DrJoeTron ping
08:54 <Durka> i think his ip is 127.0.0.1
08:54 <Durka> or 192.168.0.101 im not sure
08:54 <DrJoeTron> that twit is never there when i need him
08:54 <Durka> :[
08:55 <DrJoeTron> i'll tell him you were looking for him
08:55 <Durka> aight
08:55 <Durka> and tell joda too
08:55 <DrJoeTron> more than likely you'll see him before i will
08:55 <Durka> k
08:56 <Durka> thnx for the advice
08:56 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd i need to come up with an avatar :/
08:56 <DrJoeTron> im thinking i should mspaint one up
09:02 <Durka> #lastseen joda.bot
09:02 <armabot> Durka: ~*SP*~joda.bot has last been seen on Chico's Brake Boost Styball 12 minutes ago.
09:04 <Durka> #lastseen godtodd
09:05 <Durka> timedout probably
09:05 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd plays armagetron?
09:05 <Durka> no lol
09:05 <armabot> Durka: timed out
09:06 <Durka> #lastseen armabot
09:07 <armabot> Durka: timed out
09:08 <Durka> #quote get 34
09:08 <armabot> Durka: Quote #34: "im FBI, got ya...hands up,or i will shot at u with dos attacks-Ady" (added by spidey at 01:17 AM, November 11, 2006)
09:08 <Durka> #quote get 35
09:08 <armabot> Durka: Quote #35: "ur not a good writer :P - Ady" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:00 PM, November 13, 2006)
09:08 <Durka> #quote get 36
09:08 <armabot> Durka: Quote #36: "<Durka> HEY im a n00b" (added by spidey at 08:45 PM, December 07, 2006)
09:11 <DrJoeTron> #rules
09:11 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
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09:22 <DrJoeTron> dont you have finals to study for Durka?
09:46  * Durka isnt in college anymore
09:46  * Durka has to go
09:46  * Durka is STILL looking for joe
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11:34 <DrJoeTron> holy fuck
11:34 <DrJoeTron> how old is durka?
11:34 <DrJoeTron> i pegged him as 16
11:39 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma did you ever watch voltron?
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12:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6495 /private/z-man/clio/ (classname.hpp dataconversion.hpp macros.hpp): All places where you pass custom names to macros now require real C strings instead of preprocessor tokens that get stringified.
12:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6496 /private/z-man/clio/test.cpp: All places where you pass custom names to macros now require real C strings instead of preprocessor tokens that get stringified.
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13:31 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: yeah, I watched both the voltron with the lions, and the one with the spaceships
13:38 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:38 <DrJoeTron> answer me this then
13:38 <DrJoeTron> is pidge a boy or a girl
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> boy?
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> the lions had a bunch of boys and one and only one girl
13:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah
13:39 <DrJoeTron> pidge reminds of me of "its pat!"
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, don't forget, it was a japanese cartoon, and what we saw in america was some american script written on top of the japanese animation
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> not the japanese script translated :)
13:40 <DrJoeTron> im aware
13:41 <DrJoeTron> like how the old blue lion pilot is just "sent back" in the american dubb when he was mortaly wounded
13:41 <DrJoeTron> no
13:41 <DrJoeTron> Sven died!
13:41 <DrJoeTron> D:
13:41 <DrJoeTron> and i liked sven
13:42 <DrJoeTron> do you know how old durka is?
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't sorry
13:44  * Lucifer_arma is going to go smoke a cigarette
13:45 <spidey> die
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> you die
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect durka is 16-18, but he might be drinking age
13:57 <DrJoeTron> he said he is out of college now
13:57 <DrJoeTron> which suprises me
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> could be a college drop out
14:00 <DrJoeTron> true
14:00 <DrJoeTron> but the way he types, he comes off as as someone around 15-18
14:00 <DrJoeTron> wheras when 2020 types he comes off as "I type with my tongue!"
14:00 <DrJoeTron> or
14:00 <DrJoeTron> I
14:01 <DrJoeTron> type with me
14:01 <DrJoeTron> tongue
14:01 <DrJoeTron> !
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> (
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> but only on days ending in Y
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> )
14:01 <wrtlprnft> wow. this math test sucked.
14:01 <DrJoeTron> how'd ya do
14:01 <wrtlprnft> i sort of got something everywhere, so i guess it'll be fine
14:02 <wrtlprnft> but there's one question i heven't found two people with the same answer for
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> I want to read a web page about ship-to-ship sailing tactics, not large navy tactics
14:02  * wrtlprnft hates questions featuring 3-dimensional vectors
14:02 <wrtlprnft> it's work³
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> they're not that hard, are they?
14:03 <wrtlprnft> not in therory
14:03 <wrtlprnft> lots of places where a little error can be fatal, though
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh, better get used to that.  What was the question?
14:04 <wrtlprnft> sec
14:04 <wrtlprnft> 2 vectors that define a paralellogram
14:04 <wrtlprnft> ABCD, where A = (0;0;0)
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit.  volume of the parallelpiped?
14:04 <wrtlprnft> no
14:05 <wrtlprnft> you were supposed to find the equations of three lines
14:05 <wrtlprnft> BD, A-(midpoint of BC), and C-(midpoint of AB)
14:05 <wrtlprnft> they're supposed to intersect in one point
14:06 <wrtlprnft> i was supposed to find that point, and got three intersection
14:06 <wrtlprnft> the next question was the ratio in which the point divides the lines
14:07 <wrtlprnft> well, i had 3 points, each intersecting 2 lines, so i could have given 6 answers
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, is there something missing?  Are the two vectors given, or are you just given the one point and those relationships?
14:07 <wrtlprnft> the vectors and the point is given
14:08 <wrtlprnft> if the vectors are x and y (stupid names), b is a+x, d is a+y, and c is a+x+y
14:09 <wrtlprnft> all with vector arrows over them
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> umm, yeah, we normally use different letters for vectors because x, y, and z are used for points and equations
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a requirement, of course, but it is less confusing that way
14:10 <wrtlprnft> they didn't have names
14:10 <wrtlprnft> they were just called AB and BC
14:10 <wrtlprnft> w/ vector symbols, but you can't have them here, so i named them
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> since a is (0,0,0), you can simplify c to just x+y
14:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
14:11 <wrtlprnft> i know how to do it, but i must have made some miscalculations
14:11 <DrJoeTron> man oh man do i wish i payed attention in math durring high school
14:11 <DrJoeTron> or....every school
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmm, you're supposed to end up with 3 sets of equations, right?  x = ? , y = ?, and z = ?, for each line
14:12 <wrtlprnft> well, we express lines as x = a + r*u
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> and that's just x = x1 + vector_x
14:12 <wrtlprnft> where x,a,u are vectors
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, we didn't do lines like that.  We either did them as parametric equations or vector functions
14:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yeah, but you'll only use two lines for the intersection, and then check if that point is on the third line as well
14:13 <spidey> #g H2(g) + Cl2
14:13 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:13 <wrtlprnft> that is parametric?!
14:13 <spidey> psh
14:13 <Lucifer_arma> where a vector function would be something like r = <asubx + x, asuby + y, asubz + x>
14:13 <wrtlprnft> x = a + r*u is parametric
14:14 <wrtlprnft> r is your variable parameter
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14:14 <Lucifer_arma> right, but afaik (I'm weak on parametrics), you still need y = ? and z = ? to make it parametric
14:14 <wrtlprnft> oh, x is a vector
14:15 <wrtlprnft> consisting of x,y,z components
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> so x is a vector function, then.  :)  For each r you pass in, there is one and only one vector you get out
14:16 <wrtlprnft> 1
14:17 <spidey> 2
14:17 <wrtlprnft> 1 true yes ja oui si yeah yep
14:17 <spidey> o.o
14:18 <spidey> wrttl
14:18 <spidey> why doesn't your bot do science equations
14:18 <wrtlprnft> #g 100N/5A/20cm
14:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((100 N) / (5 A)) / (20 cm) = 100 tesla
14:19 <wrtlprnft> it does?
14:19 <spidey> #g 2 WO3(s) + 3H2(g)
14:19 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:19 <spidey> can't tell
14:19 <spidey> ;p
14:19 <wrtlprnft> that's chemistry
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> that's chemistry
14:19 <wrtlprnft> lol
14:19 <spidey> w/e
14:19 <spidey> >.>
14:20 <spidey> it's in my physical science book ;s
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, correct me if I'm wrong, but there can be multiple solutions to those chemical equations
14:20 <wrtlprnft> and you can't solve them as such automatically
14:20 <spidey> i had this my first year of 8th grade
14:20 <spidey> and i aced it
14:20 <spidey> but
14:21  * Lucifer_arma aced it in high school, but bombed it in college
14:21 <spidey> i forgot it because my long term memory is gay :D
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> if your long term memory was gay, you happily remember it
14:21 <spidey> LOL
14:21 <DrJoeTron> soundslike a quote to me
14:21 <wrtlprnft> what do you actually do in grade 8? parabolas and 
14:21 <spidey> ...
14:21 <DrJoeTron> fractions
14:21 <spidey> well
14:21 <wrtlprnft> umm, what did we do in 8-class physics? :o
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> depends on how much of a loser you are
14:22 <wrtlprnft> don't remember
14:22 <spidey> 8th grade was when i started caring more about picking on teachers instead of books
14:22 <spidey> so
14:22  * Lucifer_arma flunked algebra 1 twice
14:22 <spidey> i caused havack
14:22 <spidey> :D
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> *havoc
14:22 <spidey> w/e
14:22 <spidey> that's also why i can't spell
14:22 <spidey> ;x
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> so you used to pick on books?
14:22 <wrtlprnft> poor things.
14:22 <spidey> ...
14:23 <DrJoeTron> what did goosebumps ever do to you spidey?
14:23 <spidey> omg
14:23 <spidey> NO
14:23 <spidey> i hate those books
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> racist
14:23 <DrJoeTron> too scary? :)
14:23 <spidey> no
14:23 <spidey> i tested on a shitload of them for reading
14:23 <spidey> in this stupid program we wasdoing
14:24 <spidey> then when i got in 7th grade i tested on them again
14:24 <spidey> because i already knew them
14:24 <DrJoeTron> you were being tested on goosebump books?
14:24 <DrJoeTron> my god
14:24 <spidey> no
14:24 <spidey> it's a reading program
14:24 <spidey> you read a book on your "reading level" which is decided by a program
14:24 <spidey> then you test on it
14:25 <spidey> on the computer, of course
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> this was earlier this year, right?
14:25 <wrtlprnft> goosebump books = these things where you get a choice at the end of each “chapter” and have to flip to a certain page based on that?
14:25 <spidey> no...
14:25 <spidey> this was
14:25 <spidey> 3-4 years ago
14:25 <spidey> or so
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> no, goosebumps are scary-for-kids books
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> like Dean Koontz, but for 8 year olds
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter loves them
14:25 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
14:26 <wrtlprnft> wiki down?
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> ?
14:27 <wrtlprnft> Connecting to remote host wiki.armagetronad.net…
14:27 <wrtlprnft> there for about 10 minutes now
14:27 <wrtlprnft> i can access the forums just fine
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: libmysqlclient.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> errrr
14:28 <wrtlprnft> emerge --oneshot php
14:28 <wrtlprnft> or emerge gentoolkit and then run revdep-rebuild
14:28 <wrtlprnft> it's because you updated mysql, and the old PHP can't link to the new mysql
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> right, I did update mysql accidentally
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> man, this gentoo thing is getting old.  I'm considering moving my server back to Mandriva too
14:29 <wrtlprnft> x_X
14:29 <DrJoeTron> bah i got a class at 1:40, i think im going to get some more sleep
14:29 <DrJoeTron> tata
14:29  * Lucifer_arma just woke up
14:29 <spidey> i got to goto "class" at 11am
14:29 <wrtlprnft> #g 1:40 GMT+1 in CST
14:29 <Lucifer_arma> I need to study for my calc test, which is thursday
14:29 <spidey> so shush
14:29 <spidey> ;p
14:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:29 <wrtlprnft> aww
14:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what's that about?
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> what's what about?
14:30 <Lucifer_arma> calc test?
14:30 <wrtlprnft> 1
14:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's, er, spherical and cylindrical coordinates, double and triple integrals
14:32 <wrtlprnft> eek
14:32 <wrtlprnft> double integrals sound awful
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> and applications of same :)
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> they're not that bad, really, just tedious
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> you don't work with constant bounds necessarily, you might have one set of constant bounds and varying bounds for the other
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> you have to put the varying bounds on the inside and the constant bounds on the outside, or you don't get a number
14:34 <wrtlprnft> the other course is currently doing volume under functions w/ two parameters
14:34 <wrtlprnft> that's basically a double integral, too
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what we're doing :)
14:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's also applicable to density and some other stuff.  There's a hardcore applications section in this chapter using double and triple integrals
14:35 <wrtlprnft> well, we didn't do it (yet?)
14:35 <wrtlprnft> the other course is the “lower” one, though, they didn't do the other stuff we did
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're already doing 3d vectors, then I've got no idea at all how your calc sequence is ordered
14:36 <wrtlprnft> dunno myself
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> because I'm in calc 3, and we only just this semester started doing all that 3d crap, and next semester we go to even more dimensions
14:37 <wrtlprnft> that teacher likes mixing stuff op until noone understands it anymore
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> so if they're putting calc3 stuff in an earlier calc class.... :)
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> it is calculus though, right?  You're doing derivatives and crap?
14:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can see calculus being organized where the multivariable stuff is mixed in, most of this semester has been calc 1 derivative-type stuff, only in 3 dimensions
14:39 <wrtlprnft> note that i missed grade 11
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> so there's a windows build of crimson fields with networking now :)
14:39 <wrtlprnft> but they were doing derivatives and some complex numbers
14:40 <spidey> how gay
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, pretty much after algebra there are probably all sorts of ways you can organize the whole calc sequence :/
14:40 <spidey> "each of the colored balls is a electron"
14:40 <spidey> the picture's black and white....
14:40 <spidey> and
14:40 <spidey> all the "balls" re black
14:40 <wrtlprnft> just imagine the colors
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> colored = black
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> don't you know anything about race issues?
14:40 <spidey> lol
14:40 <wrtlprnft> the smaller balls are the electrons, if there's any doubt
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, spidey's balls are electrons
14:41 <spidey> >.>
14:41 <spidey> well
14:41 <spidey> there's 8 there
14:41  * Lucifer_arma quietly notes there's a big/small penis joke in every sentence
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> and how many protons are there?
14:41 <spidey> doesn't say
14:42 <spidey> just says the color they are
14:42 <spidey> but it's a black and white picture :p
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> I guess you're not supposed to identify the atom then?
14:42 <spidey> guess not
14:42 <spidey> o.O
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, you need to know how many protons are there
14:43 <wrtlprnft> the ones that are all glued together are protons and neutrons
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> look up that number on the periodic table, then figure out the charge.  If the charge is 0, you have an atom.  Otherwise, you have an ion
14:44 <wrtlprnft> i loved chemistry when it was that simple
14:44 <wrtlprnft> now we have orbitals and all sorts of names for all sorts of molecules containing lots of C and H
14:45 <spidey> it's oxygen
14:45 <spidey> it has the answer on the bottom of the second page ;x
14:45 <wrtlprnft> 1,2-Methyl-1-Propen
14:46 <wrtlprnft> you should see either 6 or 8 electrons on there
14:46 <spidey> 8
14:46 <wrtlprnft> then they have the 1s² electrons on there, too
14:48 <wrtlprnft> which reminds me
14:49 <wrtlprnft> 10.6g/cm/cm/cm /2/107.87u
14:49 <wrtlprnft> #g 10.6g/cm/cm/cm /2/107.87u
14:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (10.6 (((g / cm) / cm) / cm)) / ((2/107.87) u) = 3.44292454 * 10^(32) m^(-3)
14:49 <wrtlprnft> errm, no
14:49 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 u in g
14:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 atomic mass unit = 1.66053886 * 10^(-24) grams
14:50 <wrtlprnft> #g (10.6g/cm/cm/cm /2/107.87u)^(-1)
14:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((10.6 (((g / cm) / cm) / cm)) / ((2/107.87) u))^(-1) = 2.90450746 * 10^(-33) m^(3)
14:50 <wrtlprnft> something's wrong there. there are more free electrons in one cubic metre of silver!
14:51 <spidey> big words!
14:51  * spidey abbr.'s them
14:51 <wrtlprnft> #g ((10.6)*(g/cm/cm/cm) / (2*107.87u))^(-1)
14:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((10.6 * (((g / cm) / cm) / cm)) / (2 * 107.87 u))^(-1) = 3.37966655 * 10^(-29) m^(3)
14:52 <wrtlprnft> #g ((10.6)*(g/cm/cm/cm) / (2*107.87u))
14:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (10.6 * (((g / cm) / cm) / cm)) / (2 * 107.87 u) = 2.95887179 * 10^(28) m^(-3)
14:52 <wrtlprnft> that sounds ok
14:52 <wrtlprnft> #g ((10.6)*(g/cm/cm/cm) / (2*107.87u)) * (elementary charge)
14:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ((10.6 * (((g / cm) / cm) / cm)) / (2 * 107.87 u)) * elementary charge = 4.74063473 * 10^(9) s A / m^(3)
14:53 <wrtlprnft> #g elementary charge
14:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: elementary charge = 1.60217646 * 10^(-19) coulombs
14:54 <wrtlprnft> so the free electrons in one cubic metre of silver have a charge of 4.74 * 10^(-9) C
14:54 <wrtlprnft> *10^(+9)
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0612120306dec12,1,4416127.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true  <-- sometimes Texas doesn't seem that great a place
15:01 <wrtlprnft> Please register or log in
15:01 <wrtlprnft> The story you requested is available only to registered members.
15:01 <wrtlprnft> i refuse.
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> er
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-1-0&fd=R&url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0612120306dec12,1,4416127.story%3Fcoll%3Dchi-newsnationworld-hed&cid=1111935768&ei=9rR-Rbi4N8eIaOTonMkO
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> apparently if the referrer is google, they let you read it
15:01 <wrtlprnft> o_O
15:01 <wrtlprnft> i don't send referrers
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of news sites do that :)
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, basically someone wants to build a mosque in a Houston suburbs and residents are complaining the area will become a hotbed for terrorism
15:03 <wrtlprnft> i can read it
15:03 <spidey> mosque?
15:03 <wrtlprnft> w/o referrers
15:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: islamic equivalent of a church.
15:03 <spidey> o
15:04 <wrtlprnft> wow, even i didn't have to look that up, and i'm not a native english speaker…
15:04 <wrtlprnft> it's „moschee“ in german
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> I always get mosques and synagogues confused
15:04 <wrtlprnft> o_O
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> there's an irony in there somewhere
15:07 <spidey> 22/30
15:07  * spidey yawns
15:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 22/30
15:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 22 / 30 = 0.733333333
15:09 <spidey> 73% done with this book?
15:09 <spidey> o.O
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> dammit
15:10 <wrtlprnft> what book has 30 pages?
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> why does installing a few kid games break apache?
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> now I have to rebuild eaccelerator because it was built for the older php
15:10 <spidey> wrtlprnft, my physical science packet??
15:11 <spidey> i've got 6 of these bastards
15:11 <spidey> 'er
15:11 <spidey> 8
15:11 <spidey> 12 pre algerbra :
15:11 <spidey> :/
15:13 <spidey> gotta love christrain schools, rofl
15:13 <spidey> you're doing your work....then you turn a page and in big bold letters it says "GOD LOVES YOU!"
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> didn't we establish god only loves things that suck?
15:14 <spidey> like luke?
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> yes
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: did you get scorched3d?
15:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: err, no
15:15 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia scorched3d
15:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.20 seconds: Scorched 3D - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_3D>; Artillery (computer game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_(computer_game)>; List of open source games - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_games>
15:16 <wrtlprnft> i hope that'll run on this machine
15:16 <spidey> lol!
15:16 <spidey> just
15:16 <spidey> don't run it in windowed mode
15:16 <wrtlprnft> the graphics look pretty demanding
15:17 <spidey> i run it
15:17 <spidey> onboard here
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15:17 <Lucifer_arma> you can turn down the graphical detail and stuff
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> it is a very nice looking game though :)
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's the new black
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> the water simulation is very convincing, even :)
15:18 <spidey> lol
15:19 <wrtlprnft> 53MB o_O
15:19 <spidey> ?
15:19 <spidey> 53mb = small
15:20 <spidey> most games i play are over 800mb
15:20 <spidey> one was a 2.5gb download and installed with 3.14gb >.>
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, wiki's back up now
15:22 <wrtlprnft> grmpf, darn opera
15:23 <wrtlprnft> if you try too often to connect to a server that's down it keeps those connection attempts open
15:23 <wrtlprnft> now it hit its per-server limit, and i can't connect to it at all. Well, someone care about the spam until i restart it ;)
15:24 <wrtlprnft> *take care of?
15:24 <wrtlprnft> so this is basically worms in 3d w/o movement?
15:25 <spidey> you can move
15:25 <spidey> teleports
15:25 <spidey> fuel
15:25 <spidey> nitro
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> you can move, yes.  In fact, standard artillery practice these days is to fire, then move, then fire again
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> but that's not necessary in this game, you move when you see your opponent is going to have his range
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> if you can, that is
15:27 <spidey> lol
15:27 <spidey> i saw mom was close to hitting me
15:27 <spidey> so i teleported right when his nuke landed
15:27 <spidey> ;x
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15:31 <Lucifer_arma> heh
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> I dodged a number of vanhayes' nukes that way
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> also by just walking
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had one where vanhayes was getting his range on me (shooting over a mountain), and I had just hit someone else
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> then I teleported to right behind vanhayes and shot him on the next turn :)
15:33 <spidey> lol
15:33 <spidey> i like how you guys waste your missles and stuff :p
15:33 <wrtlprnft> this thing takes forever to compile.
15:33 <spidey> i use tracers
15:34 <spidey> smoke tracer i sthe best
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> I played on a server (I think against bots) where they showed a map that was completely black
15:34 <spidey> because it leaves a blue tail
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, tracers really clutter the field, and baby missiles are infinite
15:34 <spidey> and lets you adjust your aim better
15:34 <spidey> ;p
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> I use baby missiles until I'm pretty sure I'll hit, then I switch to a different weapon, depending on what I'm doing
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I position the camera so I can see the shot
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> I only screw up and take a bunch of turns to aim when I'm smoking crack
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> I also watch the shot cam
15:35 <spidey> lol
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> also, it seems like the scale of different maps is different
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> like, the other guy can be the same visual distance, but closer, so you use less power
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> so the only time I really hit on the first turn is when the guy is at such an angle and position that I can just fire at max power, where my shot basically goes in a straight line because he's too close for it to be significantly affected by gravity
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, vanhayes was burying me one time, and I shot him with a heavy laser.  :)
15:37 <spidey> lol
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it's a fun game, if it runs for you (it doesn't for luke), it'll probably be worth the compile
15:39 <wrtlprnft> if it doesn't run for luke-jr_work that's a bonus point.
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh
15:40 <wrtlprnft> ill try the tutorial first :)
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> good idea :)
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> it also has the advantage of not taking 8-20 hours to play a whole game
15:40 <wrtlprnft> The Scorched3d process terminated due to configuration errors.
15:40 <wrtlprnft> Scorched3D : Failed to open sound device
15:41 <wrtlprnft> grmpf
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> disable sound?
15:41 <wrtlprnft> and it left me at a 640*480 res
15:41 <wrtlprnft> kill the mplayer in the background
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> here I get a little window that makes me decide options before I can start the game, do you get that window?
15:42  * Lucifer_arma notes older versions didn't do that, you just started the game and had to hack the config file to do anything else
15:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i got that
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, one of the icons in that window is graphics settings
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> *settings, including graphics and sound
15:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i saw that
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> I like the sound effects, to be honest
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> you hear birds chirping and shit
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm doing something wron
15:52 <spidey> done!
15:52 <spidey> yay
15:52 <spidey> 30 page book in 
15:52 <GodTodd> #dict perspicacity
15:52 <armabot> GodTodd: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Perspicacity \Per`spi*cac"i*ty\ (p[~e]r`sp[i^]*k[a^]s"[i^]*t[y^]), n. [L. perspicacitas: cf. F. perspicacit['e]. See {Perspicacious}.] The state of being perspicacious; acuteness of sight or of intelligence; acute discernment. --Sir T. Browne. [1913 Webster]; wn: perspicacity n 1: intelligence manifested by being astute (as in business dealings) [syn: (3 more messages)
15:52 <spidey> hour and a hlf
15:52 <spidey> half
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> reading some eric flint?
15:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wanna play s3d?
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> studying calc right now, maybe in a bit
15:53 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: me?
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: yeah you :)
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> he uses that word a lot
15:53 <GodTodd> heh...nah
15:53 <GodTodd> that word is cool tho
15:53 <GodTodd> :)
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> it is a cool word, I like how it rolls off the tongue
15:54 <GodTodd> i'ma have to put it in my lexicon
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> anyone convert rectangular coordinates to spherical coordinates?
15:54 <GodTodd> nope...just covered converting them to polar
15:54 <GodTodd> :)
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I get for my distance sqrt(18), or 3sqrt(2), right?
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> cos(someangle) = 4/3sqrt(2)
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> what's the angle?
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> in radians
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> er, this is all fucked up
15:58 <spidey> #g -3x + 4 + x + 9
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> I get sqrt(18) for p, but the book's answer for p is sqrt(2)
15:58 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
15:58 <spidey> ....
15:58 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6497 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Wrapped tOutput
15:59 <GodTodd> spidey: 13-2x
15:59 <GodTodd> ;)
15:59 <spidey> no
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> yes
16:00 <GodTodd> ok....-2x+13 but that's not preferred form
16:00 <GodTodd> :P
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> umm, yeah it is
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> you want decreasing exponents
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> x^1 comes before x^0
16:01 <GodTodd> well...depends on where you're going with it
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's a polynomial, by convention you put it with decreasing exponents
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> just not your preferred form.  :)
16:02 <GodTodd> i've run into a lot of teachers that hate negatives at the beginning tho
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> ah, well, they're just sign-cripples or something
16:02 <GodTodd> probably :)
16:02 <GodTodd> my preferred form is either :P
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> if you put y= in front of it, suddenly you want the x term first
16:02 <GodTodd> yep
16:02 <spidey> so
16:04 <spidey> how do you work that...
16:04 <GodTodd> combine like terms
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> you're done?
16:04 <spidey> done ?
16:04 <GodTodd> yeah
16:04 <spidey> done with physical science yea
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> no, the answer is what GodTodd gave
16:04 <GodTodd> yep
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, you combine like terms.  x + 2x = 3x
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> x^2 + x is "finished"
16:05 <GodTodd> yep
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> x + 1 is also finished
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> (and unfactorable)
16:05 <GodTodd> you can only combine terms with equivalent powers of x
16:05 <spidey> um
16:05 <spidey> can we like
16:05 <spidey> bring it down to 9th grade expanation
16:05 <spidey> ;x
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> just did :)
16:06 <spidey> explanation* or something
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what's actually confusing you?
16:06 <spidey> ok so -3x + 4 + x+ 9, you switch the 4 and the x, then work it from left to right?
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not necessarily
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> I would read -3x and x, combine them to -2x, and write that
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> then I'd read 4 and 9, combine them to 13, and write + 13
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> then you'd read on my paper "-2x + 13"
16:07 <spidey> oh
16:07 <wrtlprnft> ok, i think i get it
16:07 <wrtlprnft> i probably still suck
16:07 <spidey> i get it now
16:08 <GodTodd> yeah...i do it the way Lucifer_arma does 
16:08 <spidey> i missed those problems because i worked it all the way threw
16:08 <spidey> lol
16:08 <spidey> so i got 11x
16:08 <spidey> :/
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> on really big expressions you'll want to cross out terms you've already combined
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> you know, just to keep track of wher eyou're at
16:09 <spidey> ok so lets try this one
16:09 <GodTodd> spidey: common mistake....you just need to remember that you can only combine terms with equal letters
16:10 <spidey> 7x - 3y -9x -4y , 7x - 9x = -2x and 3y - 4y =-1y so it's -2x and -1y?
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here know how to convert rectangular coordinates to spherical coordinates?
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, that's a different problem
16:10 <spidey> 'er -2x + 1y
16:10 <spidey> or something
16:10 <GodTodd> -2x and -7y
16:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6498 /private/z-man/clio/ (10 files): Added custom constructors for classes with virtual functions. From the unnecessary limitations department: the default constructor of them can't be private.
16:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6499 /private/z-man/clio/argument_lists_undef.hpp: Added custom constructors for classes with virtual functions. From the unnecessary limitations department: the default constructor of them can't be private.
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait a minute, I misunderstood what spidey wrote, haha
16:11 <spidey> lol
16:11 <spidey> did i do it right?
16:11 <spidey> o.O
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> I get what godtodd got
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> you were close, you just screwed up adding two negative numbers
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> in the y's you get -3y - 4y
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> -3-4 = -7
16:12 <spidey> oh
16:12 <spidey> forgot >.>
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> you did it right, just got the actual arithmetic wrong :)
16:12 <GodTodd> the sign always stays with the number directly to the right
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> which is a *very* common mistake
16:12 <GodTodd> definitely
16:12 <GodTodd> my first trig test i would have gotten a 100 if i hadn't brain farted some arithmetic
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> I switch digits and signs all the time, it's how come I've got a B in calc 3 right now instead of an A
16:13 <GodTodd> yeah...that's how i'm getting my b in trig :/
16:13 <spidey> -3-4 = -7?
16:13 <GodTodd> yep
16:13 <spidey> i thought it was 1
16:13 <spidey> o.O
16:13 <GodTodd> -3+-4
16:14 <spidey> oh
16:14 <spidey> would help if i read the review more than once ;x
16:14 <GodTodd> heh
16:14 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: I already got my A in c++ :)
16:15 <spidey> so 3x + 4 + (-6x) + -3 would be -3x + 1 ?
16:15 <GodTodd> yep
16:16 <spidey> yay :D
16:17  * GodTodd likes algebra.
16:17 <GodTodd> useful stuff
16:18 <spidey> i'm on prealgerbra :/
16:19 <GodTodd> prealgebra still uses algebra :P
16:19 <spidey> i missed 9 problems on the 20 problem self test
16:19 <GodTodd> hmmm
16:19 <spidey> so i gotta correct them
16:19 <spidey> then get it rechecked
16:19 <spidey> then test
16:19 <GodTodd> errors combining terms?
16:19 <spidey> yea
16:20 <GodTodd> once you get that down, you'll have it forever
16:21 <GodTodd> wow...that came out trying to be a little more profound than i meant it to be
16:21 <GodTodd> heh
16:22 <spidey> ok here's a orders of operations
16:23 <spidey> -10 / 2 * 8 -4
16:23 <spidey> devide or multiply first
16:23 <GodTodd> divide
16:23 <GodTodd> division/multiplication from left to right
16:23 <spidey> k
16:23 <GodTodd> then add/subtract from left to right
16:24 <GodTodd> they'll add more later, but that should do it for prealgebra
16:24 <GodTodd> unless they add exponents
16:24 <spidey> yea
16:24 <spidey> then you do them first
16:24 <GodTodd> yep
16:25 <spidey> or parenthises
16:25 <GodTodd> yeah
16:25 <GodTodd> parentheses just set a section off as having to be done before applying it to any other part of the equation
16:26 <GodTodd> such as 10 * (5 -2)
16:26 <GodTodd> compared to 10 * 5 - 2
16:26 <spidey> now if i pass this math and physical science i have 3 books to finish the semister
16:26 <spidey> :D
16:26 <GodTodd> i have one final to finish the semester :P
16:26 <GodTodd> heh
16:26 <spidey> i don't have finals
16:26 <spidey> or tcaps
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> I've one test, but it's not a cumulative final
16:27 <spidey> "tennessee assesment test
16:27 <spidey> or some shit
16:27 <GodTodd> mine is cumulative
16:27 <GodTodd> the history one i took last night was only over 2 chapters
16:27 <spidey> ii don't have mid terms either ;x
16:27 <GodTodd> basically over civil rights movements in texas and the decline of the democratic party in texas
16:27 <wrtlprnft> darn, the bot beat me 6:4
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> we don't technically do mid-terms, but very often several classes will all test the same week in the middle of the semester
16:28 <spidey> well
16:28 <spidey> the way we did it in public school was
16:28 <GodTodd> yeah...we tend to do informal midterms
16:28 <spidey> the first semester was mid terms
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't take long, wrtlprnft (hi there!) .  :)  GodTodd played the very first time in a crowd with me and vanhayes and spidey and ghableska
16:28 <spidey> the last semester was finals
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> he got wiped the first couple of rounds, then came on and kicked ass
16:28 <GodTodd> ;)
16:29 <GodTodd> trial by fire 
16:29 <spidey> i've gotten the hang of that game
16:29 <spidey> wrtlprnft, wanna play?
16:29 <spidey> i have a hour and a half before i have to leave :D
16:30 <wrtlprnft> ok
16:30 <spidey> you host or me?
16:30 <wrtlprnft> you host, i don't even know the port
16:30 <spidey> k
16:30 <spidey> me either
16:30 <spidey> i just got this box dmz'd
16:30 <spidey> :p
16:31 <wrtlprnft> 68-119-125-27.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com?
16:31 <spidey> yea
16:31 <spidey> ok, server started
16:32 <wrtlprnft> grrr!
16:32 <wrtlprnft> i hate games w/o network compatibility
16:32 <spidey> lol
16:32 <spidey> it disconnect you?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:33 <spidey> try again :p
16:33 <wrtlprnft> updating to what gentoo calls unstable…
16:33 <spidey> heh
16:33 <spidey> you should have gotten 40.1d off there site
16:33 <wrtlprnft> still the same
16:33 <wrtlprnft> i used what was in portage
16:33 <wrtlprnft> didn't know this game was so anal about versions
16:34 <spidey> #google search scortched3d
16:34 <armabot> spidey: No matches found. (Search took 0.27 seconds)
16:34 <spidey> ?
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> scorched3d
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> there's no 't' in it
16:34 <spidey> http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/downloads.php
16:34 <wrtlprnft> i KNOW.
16:34 <spidey>  Linux (Redhat, Mandrake, etc.) 	56MB 	40.1d 	Download - RPM Format
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> spidey doesn't know, apparently :)
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> I installed the rpm from their site
16:35 <wrtlprnft> i'm still using portage, just installing what it considers to be unstable
16:35  * wrtlprnft dislikes RPM
16:35 <spidey> heh
16:35  * Lucifer_arma notes that if he'd have installed that shit on his server from rpm, it wouldn't have required rebuilding php and eaccelerator
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> and "that shit" was a game package for kids
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> why should a game package for kids break a webserver?
16:36 <wrtlprnft> just run revdep-rebuild after you emerge a new version of an important package
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> urpmi <wahtever the package was called> would have done it without all that extra shit
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> but I guess since rpm sucks so much, it doesn't matter how easy it is
16:37 <wrtlprnft> the only time i tried installing an rpm it failed
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even remember what package it was, I think it was the kedutainment package
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've installed thousands of rpms by now (have to, that's how many it takes to install a base system)
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> and have only had problems with a very few
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, I've had problems with quite a few emerges
16:38 <Lucifer_arma> on my laptop, I was willing to credit myself as the problem, but the server uses only the "stable" stuff
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you're installing an rpm onto a non-rpmbased system, I'd expect problems.  :)
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> but if I updated mysql, urpmi would also update everything that depended on mysql automatically
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> provided the people that made the packages did their dependencies right, of course, but dependencies are determined by ld for the most part anyway
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I now want a source-based distribution that uses rpm for its package format :)
16:41 <wrtlprnft> whatever rocks your boat.
16:41 <spidey> hm
16:41 <spidey> there's servers online!
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> yes, there are
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> you in one?
16:41 <spidey> no
16:42 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(32^2+16^2)
16:42 <spidey> thinking of joining one
16:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sqrt((32^2) + (16^2)) = 35.7770876
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> hang on, lemme see the list :)
16:42  * Lucifer_arma is taking a study break
16:42 <spidey> mine isn't on there :(
16:43 <spidey> oh
16:43 <spidey> i see it on the lan list
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> you have to tell it to tell the metaserver about itself
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's not automatic
16:44 <spidey> i did
16:44 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spawn
16:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_FIRST_SPAWN_PROTECTION: Set to 1 if the invulnerability and wall delay should already be active on the initial spawn at the beginning of a round. (default: 0) || CYCLE_FIRST_SPAWN_PROTECTION_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) || SPAWN_POINT_GROUP_SIZE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 0) || SPAWN_WINGMEN_BACK: Determines how much each wingman is placed backwards in a team. (default: 2.2029) || (1 more message)
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> what did you call your server?
16:44 <spidey> "spidey"
16:44 <Lucifer_arma> and do you want me to just connect to your server?
16:55 <spidey> doesn't matter
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's not in my list either
16:55 <spidey> that or we could join one of these
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, did you start with the apoc mod?
16:55 <spidey> yea
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> let's play there then :)
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> IP/host?
16:55 <spidey> sec
16:55 <spidey> Wan IP
16:55 <spidey> 	68.119.125.27
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17:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh, fun game :)
17:49 <GodTodd> yep :)
17:53 <wrtlprnft> darn you GodTodd 
17:53 <GodTodd> ?
17:53 <wrtlprnft> you were idle
17:54 <GodTodd> i got disconnected apparently
17:54 <GodTodd> :
17:54 <GodTodd> :/
17:54 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig start_speedf
17:54 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig start_speed
17:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
17:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_START_SPEED: Initial cycle speed (default: 20)
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17:58 <Lucifer_arma> I love that apocolypse mod
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> big explosions :)
17:58 <GodTodd> yep
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> I need to remember that riot bombs are just dirt removers though
17:59 <Lucifer_arma> one round I would've killed someone (spidey?) if I had used baby missiles, I kept hitting with riot bombs :/
17:59 <GodTodd> heh
17:59 <wrtlprnft> haha
17:59 <wrtlprnft> ever played wormux?
17:59 <wrtlprnft> it's got riot bombs, too, they're fun
18:00 <wrtlprnft> useful if you have someone right over water
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> no, I haven't.  People are saying scorched is like "worms", but I keep thinking the worms game that's like tron
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you hadn't hit that nuclear plant, my next shot was going to be a mirv that would have taken you out.  That was a lucky shot, I think you were still aiming
18:00 <wrtlprnft> it's another network game, though the network is still improvable
18:00 <wrtlprnft> it tends to hang sometimes
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron says scorched3d is like gunbound, and there was a big flareup of gunbound in the arma community awhile back
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> is wormux for linux?
18:01  * Lucifer_arma checks his package manager
18:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: won't find anything usuable there
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> too old, or too new?
18:02 <wrtlprnft> the old releases don't have networking at all, the one alpha they released is quite buggy, you need the SVN version
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> ah
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> is it an artillery game, then?
18:02 <wrtlprnft> like worms
18:02 <wrtlprnft> anyways, need to play a bit on CTWF to see a new map :)
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18:04 <Lucifer_arma> looks interesting
18:04 <Lucifer_arma> when the network play is good, lemme know and I'l give it a shot :)
18:04 <Lucifer_arma> I had looked at scorched3d awhile back, before it had network play, and last week I wanted to see how it was going
18:05 <Lucifer_arma> that's kinda how we got to start playing it, I saw it had network play and told everyone to download it :)
18:07 <wrtlprnft> heh
18:07 <wrtlprnft> i'm a developer for that game in theory, but i only committed minor things yet
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> wanna work on a pirate game?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> sorry, i missed what it's about, but i saw you talking about it
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> I want to play a pirate game, but none exists (that I know of)
18:09 <wrtlprnft> lemme guess, it's in python?
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> basically, I want to sail around on a ship, raid other ships, etc.
18:09 <Lucifer_arma> um, yeah, of course.  :)
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> I've only got empty files right now, but I read up on sockets and stuff so I'm ready to start in on the server
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> figured when I get it to send chat I'm ready to work on the game seriously
18:10 <wrtlprnft> so you're gonna have a server before local play?
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> but pygame is the only dependency I want
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, no point to having it imo if there's no network play
18:10 <Lucifer_arma> so I figured I'd copy the freeciv model and just have the client start the server for local play
18:10 <wrtlprnft> too lazy to do an AI?
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> no, I'll do an ai, I just don't want to sit and play by myself for months and months before I can play over the network
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> if that happens, I wouldn't stick with it long enough to get it there
18:11 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:11 <Lucifer_arma> no guarantees I'll be able to stick with it anyway, but I still want to play it :)
18:12 <wrtlprnft> i guess you should have developed acme in network mode then :)
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> at least this time I want it to play, there won't be some ulterior motive that once satisifed I'll quit (like leviathan)
18:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  acme had more serious problems.  :/  I needed to stop writing it in pygame, and the xml stuff needed a more or less complete rewrite
18:12 <wrtlprnft> leviathan?
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> sub simulator I started a couple summers ago, before my trig class
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> used pyopengl and pygame
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> I got it to a point where you could move around and was adding in torpedoes, then the semester started.  I wanted a trig review, and I got it
18:13 <Lucifer_arma> so after the semester heated up, leviathan became history
18:13 <wrtlprnft> aww
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> I probably still have the code beating around, though, if you wanted to pick up from it
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> but really, there's already a pretty good open source sub simulator, it just does german subs in WWII, and I do want American subs in WWII :)
18:14 <GodTodd> hrmm...think i could get a copy sometime so i have some decent code to learn from?
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> don't know if I'd call it "decent code", but lemme check
18:14 <Lucifer_arma> I had it in an svn repo at some point
18:15 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: if you want decent code… look at armagetronad's gGame.cpp
18:15 <GodTodd> well to me decent == stuff written by someone who knows more about it than i ;)
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> cvs is where it was, not svn at the time, heh
18:15 <wrtlprnft> then gGame fits that
18:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I've still got it.  I put it in my codedump
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> if you want, I can put it in an svn repo and if you want to work on it, you can commit to the repo
18:16 <GodTodd> see...i know how to program decently...i want to get into GUI and graphics too tho
18:16 <Lucifer_arma> er, are you crazy, wrtlprnft (hi there!) ?  You trying to scar poor GodTodd (hi there!) here?
18:17 <Lucifer_arma> you may as well ask him to crawl under your house and then tell him there's a bunch of rats living under it!
18:17 <GodTodd> heh
18:18 <GodTodd> if you want, I can put it in an svn repo and if you want to work on it, you can commit to the repo <--- that to me or wrtl?
18:18 <GodTodd> heh
18:19 <Lucifer_arma> it was to you, but if he wants in on it I'm cool with that
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> there were a few problems with it you should probably know about, though :)
18:20 <GodTodd> sure...i suppose...not sure if/when i'd be able to work much on it and i'd have to tutor myself on the use of svn :)
18:20 <Lucifer_arma> the math library really really sucks.  I originally wrote it to use knots as the base unit of speed, which meant using imperial units internally
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> I rewrote it at some point to use SI units, but I don't remember how complete that rewrite was
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> angles were manipulated in degrees, which is also bad.  They should internally be radians, and converted to degrees at the last minute to show the user
18:21 <GodTodd> heh
18:21 <Lucifer_arma> and finally, I used atan() instead of atan2(), so there are some quadrant problems in a few places
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> svn's not hard, I can tell you what you need to know to start working with it
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter, I can zip it up and email it to you too
18:22 <GodTodd> either way
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> but if you spend a few minutes working with svn, I've got several projects stashed away that I beat on every now and then, and my svn repo is publicly accessible
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. unless you're really interested in a sub simulator, I've got lots of code you can get just with an svn client
18:23 <Lucifer_arma> and some of it is better-written
18:23 <GodTodd> that'd probably be the best way then
18:23 <GodTodd> i have a svn client
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> here's the base url first :)
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://svn.davefancella.com/
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> then you can add to it anything from this list:
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> davesciv, dsac, dsbp, dsdesktop, dste
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad too, but that's a read-only backup of the arma svn hosted on sourceforge
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> davesciv is my freeciv ruleset and tilesets
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> dsac is my alarm clock
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> dsbp is my budget program
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> dsdesktop is my desktop environment
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> dste is my text editor
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18:26 <GodTodd> k
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> I use my alarm clock and text editor every day.  Both require pyqt3, however.
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> they need to be ported to pyqt4.  pyqt3 is not Free on Windows
18:26 <Lucifer_arma> my desktop environment requires X11, which means you need a *nix of some sort
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> my budget program requires pyqt3 also, but needs to be ported to pyqt4.  In fact, that's what I'm doing next, I'm just going to throw away the qt3 UI and rewrite it with pyqt4
18:27 <GodTodd> i have dsl currently on my usb drive
18:27 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: why not just write it in Qt4?
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> "Why do it the easy way when you can do it the hard way?"
18:28 <luke-jr_work> pfft, as if Python is any easier...
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> it is
18:28 <Lucifer_arma> and since none of these programs are high performance, a scripting language is suitable
18:29 <Lucifer_arma> even my desktop environment is python, although it doesn't really work yet.  Haven't had time to screw with it.
18:29 <Lucifer_arma> maybe over christmas break I'll get it working finally.  The window manager has issues.  :)
18:30 <Lucifer_arma> my text editor can use some real attention.  Besides porting it to pyqt4, it's gt a bunch of half-working stuff in it
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> the documentation browser, for example, uses a qt3 widget that doesn't handle more complex xml/xhtml very well, so I wind up using firefox anyway
18:31 <Lucifer_arma> the bug tracker needs testing, it's not well-tested enough for me to actually use it yet.  Chicken and egg problem.
18:31 <GodTodd> heh
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> the file treeview will get the necessary attention with the pyqt4 port, though.  qt4 has really neat changes in how it handles data widgets
18:32 <Lucifer_arma> desktop environment needs to be updated to a newer pyqt4.  The pyqt guy promised to add the x11embed widgets for me so I can embed xterm.  :)  text editor needs that, too.
18:33 <Lucifer_arma> *sigh*  alarm clock needs a pyqt4 port so it can get a windows release.
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> so anyway, if you want to hack code on any of that, make sure you change it to https://svn.THERESTOFIT
18:34 <Lucifer_arma> and tell me so I can put you in there with read/write access
18:38 <GodTodd> k
18:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, leviathan was having trouble with fonts
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok, no point in looking at leviathan, I don't even know what it's doing
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> it just says "hi there" in the top left corner, no plotter, nothing
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> and it crashes
18:48 <Lucifer_arma> :(
18:50 <GodTodd> hmmm
18:51 <Lucifer_arma> what you might really consider is helping me with my pirate game :)
18:51 <Lucifer_arma> sure there's no code yet, but that's fine :)
18:51 <Lucifer_arma> actually, now there is some
18:51 <Lucifer_arma> there's "import socket"
18:51 <GodTodd> i'd be willing to...dunno how much help i'd be tho :)
18:52 <Lucifer_arma> man, I love this song.  How did Empire turn out such a shitty album with this song on it?  (Empire)
18:52 <GodTodd> i like that album
18:53 <Lucifer_arma> all the love songs get on my nerves.  I listen to a subset of it that's really good and tells the whole story.  :)
18:53 <GodTodd> true...i have to be in a certain mood to enjoy most of it
18:54 <Lucifer_arma> I also object to the message that if the feds spent more money on law enforcement, people would quit shooting each other
18:55 <GodTodd> yeah
18:55 <Lucifer_arma> if the american aristocracy quit grinding poor people under their heels, people would also quit shooting each other so much
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's true.  :)  Take any violent criminal and give him a job where he makes $50k/year and it's a certainty that more than half of them would suddenly stop being violent criminals
18:56 <GodTodd> yeah...but no matter what you do there's always going to be violent crime
18:56 <wrtlprnft> i love the help feature of scorched3d…
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> it has a help feature?
18:56 <wrtlprnft> all it does is open a dialog box telling me what address to go to
18:56 <Lucifer_arma> haha
18:57 <GodTodd> maybe luke wrote it
18:57 <luke-jr_work> stfu
18:58 <luke-jr_work> s3d seems like it'd be easy to make a cheat for
18:58 <luke-jr_work> :p
18:58 <wrtlprnft> he wouldn't have written “web site address:”, though, rather “URI”
18:58 <wrtlprnft> as it's actually a file:// URI
18:58 <GodTodd> yes master...i will obey your every command
18:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, you'd have to get it running first
19:02 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i managed to get a little window with a camera following my shots, probably by accident.
19:02 <wrtlprnft> how do i get another one? :D
19:03 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: sure?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> btw, is there a way to make fine adjustments to the shot power?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> if i press shift and - nothing happens, probably because i actually pressed _
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> press c I think
19:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know about fine adjustments, I only know you adjust power with -/=
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> anyone here know how to convert rectangular coordinates to spherical coordinates?
19:30 <luke-jr_work> probably
19:30 <luke-jr_work> by spherical, you mean a degree/distance pair?
19:31 <luke-jr_work> distance=sqrt(x^2 + y ^2)
19:31 <luke-jr_work> IIRC
19:31 <luke-jr_work> not sure on degree
19:32 <wrtlprnft> umm, the angle is tan^-1(y/x), but i doubt this is what Lucifer_arma wants
19:33 <wrtlprnft> he wants the whole thing in 3 dimensions, i guess
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, 3d
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> polar is 2d
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> I keep getting an extra factor of 2 somewhere that's screwing up the inverse trig functions
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I shouldn't listen to paula abdul when doing this
19:34 <luke-jr_work> you should listen to me instead
19:34 <luke-jr_work> :)
19:34 <wrtlprnft> bad idea
19:34 <wrtlprnft> never listen to someone who has no idea what he's talking about
19:35 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_from_spherical_coordinates_to_rectangular_coordinates#From_Cartesian_coordinates
19:36 <GodTodd> dunno if that's what you're looking for
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> other way.  Actually I skipped the wikipedia links in my google search because wikipedia is usually a complicated explanation that's not better than my textbook :)
19:36 <GodTodd> heh
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> we have it like this:
19:37 <wrtlprnft> the last one looks nice
19:37 <GodTodd> it's just a bunch of formulas
19:37 <wrtlprnft> the one with the matrix
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> (distance, angle from xy plane, angle from xz plane)
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> for distance, you just do sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2), the distance formula!
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> and it seems that in there I'm getting an extra factor of 2 :(
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> the point is (-1, -sqrt(3), 2)
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> you guys figure it out and tell me what you get :)
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, that point is in rectangular coordinates.  Convert to spherical.
19:38 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: shouldn't it be cubed root?
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> no
19:39 <luke-jr_work> lame
19:39 <GodTodd> 2sqrt(3)
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> ?
19:39 <GodTodd> yeah...anything luke doesn't understand is lame
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> I got 2sqrt(2) for the distance
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> the book says it's just 2
19:40 <wrtlprnft> omg, luke doesn't have any idea
19:40 <GodTodd> bah...yeah...2sqrt(2) is what i got too
19:40 <GodTodd> sqrt(8)
19:40 <wrtlprnft> it's sqrt(x²+(sqrt(y²+z²))²)
19:40 <wrtlprnft> and the second sqrt cancels the ²
19:41 <wrtlprnft> so you're left with √(x²+y²+z²)
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'd like to know how you're doing *that*
19:41 <GodTodd> it works out to the 3d distance formula
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> right.  just like in polar, the radius is figured using the distance formula in 2d :)
19:42 <GodTodd> yep
19:42 <GodTodd> i'm still getting 2sqrt(2) tho
19:42 <GodTodd> hmmm
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> er, nvm
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> I figured out what I did wrong
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> haha
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> sorry
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the directions say "cyclindrical coordinates", not "spherical" :)
19:43 <GodTodd> haha
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> *cylindrical
19:43 <GodTodd> well then....*that's* 2
19:43 <GodTodd> :P
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the point now is (1, -1, 4)
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> convert to cylindrical :)
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> (part a of the problem, have to restart now)
19:45 <GodTodd> doing distance?
19:45 <GodTodd> or what?
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> convert to cylindrical coordinates
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> might need to google again, but all the google results I found were pages that also had cylindrical on them
19:45 <GodTodd> r would be sqrt(2)
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's just polar with the z coordinate copying over
19:47 <GodTodd> so like (sqrt(2), -45, 4)?
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> not even worth doing after you figure that out, but I better just because I spent so much time trying to make the spherical coordinates I came up with match :)
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> i'm getting a pi/4 angle for the angle
19:48 <GodTodd> err...in polar does theta need to be in the domain of 0-2pi?
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> make it 7pi/4
19:48 <GodTodd> yeah...7pi/4 == -45
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> not really, but by convention you should stick with it
19:49 <GodTodd> 45 degree angle in quadrant 4
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> don't speak degrees!  :)
19:49 <GodTodd> converting to/from polar will be on my final tomorrow
19:49 <GodTodd> heh...we still use both right now :P
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, pi/4 is the reference angle for tan = 1
19:49 <GodTodd> yeah
19:50 <GodTodd> in fact...a problem or two on the final should be converting to/from rads
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> then, since y = -1 and x = 1, it's fourth quadrant
19:50 <GodTodd> yep
19:50 <GodTodd> 7pi/4
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> I have to convert from degrees to radians sometimes now to figure out the angle :)
19:51 <GodTodd> i think it's next semester we'll go pretty exclusive to rads
19:51 <GodTodd> precal isn't it?
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> nah, never happens
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> at least, not in my school
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> we had degrees come up this semester
19:51 <GodTodd> ah ok :)
19:52 <GodTodd> while talking conversions....without looking it up....x = rcos(theta) and y = rsin(theta), right?
19:53 <GodTodd> converting from polar to cartesian
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> yes
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, was providing a pencil for my wife
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> I've been rationing the pencils ever since last spring when she lost something like 15 pencils in 2 months
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> I was able to find and collect most of them, and all of the extra lead and stashed them
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> she's not supposed to take any now without asking me :)
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's the same conversion you do with vectors
20:01 <GodTodd> heh...i need to get more lead for my pencils
20:01 <GodTodd> yeah...just reviewing for my final...we can have 5 fromulas on an index card...not sure what i'll choose
20:02 <GodTodd> formulas*
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> half angle formula :)
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> lucky you, my trig teacher doesn't believe in notes on tests
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> he'll be my calc 4 teacher next semester :)
20:03 <GodTodd> i'm thinking something with half and double angle formulas, yeah
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you didn't memorize the other formulas in the class you're kinda fucked, they're all really easy
20:04 <GodTodd> thing is...i'm almost assured of a B in the class with a small chance at still pulling an A
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> so I'd pick the identities that are hardest to remember
20:04 <GodTodd> yeah
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20:05 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> man, the keyboard part in this song is wicked
20:08 <Vanhayes> what song?
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> you're going to laugh, but I shit you not.  Bon Jovi - I'd Die for You.  Try it in headphones, the keyboards are in the right side
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, rectangular to spherical now.  (1, sqrt(3), 2sqrt(3) )
20:14 <GodTodd> (2sqrt(3), pi/3, pi/6) ?
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> how'd you get the angles right and the distance wrong?  :)
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> distance is 4
20:15 <GodTodd> ummm dunno :)
20:15 <GodTodd> oh...cuz i did 2sqrt(3) as sqrt(8) instead of sqrt(12)
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> sqrt(16) ?
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20:16 <GodTodd> yeah...(4, pi/3, pi/6)
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> because it's sqrt(1 + sqrt(3)^2 + 4sqrt(3)^2)
20:17 <GodTodd> yeah..i did sqrt(1+3+8) instead of sqrt(1+3+12)
20:17 <GodTodd> arithmetic problem
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> ah
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, now I get to do double integrals over a rectangular region :/
20:18 <GodTodd> seems i'll have no problem picking up spherical and cylindrical conversions when i hit them :)
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> I missed 2 classes in this chapter and the test is thursday, and like always I've procrastinated all the homework
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> nah, that's not hard.  Later on I have to convert functions to spherical/cylindrical because that makes it possible to integrate them
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> which is why we didn't do the section I was just doing until right before the hairy integration chapter
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> but one of the classes I missed was the coordinate conversion class :)
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20:20 <GodTodd> heh
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20:33 <Lucifer_arma> anybody up for a few rounds of scorched3d?
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20:48 <spidey> omg
20:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, GodTodd where you just fuckingg with me on that prealgerbra?
20:49 <spidey> cause i made a 65 on it..
20:49 <spidey> made a 100 on my physical science though :D
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, we weren't fucking with you
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> what did you do wrong?
20:52 <spidey> dunno
20:52 <spidey> they didn't let me look at the test
20:52 <spidey> just showed me my receipt
20:52 <spidey> i have to retake it again ;(
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> come played scorched3d :)
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'm on some server
20:54 <spidey> which one?
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20:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping
20:55 <spidey> which one? :p
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, look at the lists
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> something that starts with a, players are listed :)
20:55 <spidey> o
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20:59 <GodTodd> spidey: no...i never fuck around with math :)
21:05 <spidey> :(
21:05 <spidey> i don't understand how i failed it though
21:05 <spidey> i used the exact same things
21:05 <GodTodd> without seeing what you did, neither do i
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should start a server, these guys take a long time to go
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21:10 <spidey> someone wants me to play halo with them
21:22 <Lucifer_arma> games take too long when you get killed early :/
21:22 <Vanhayes> ya
21:22 <Vanhayes> ive been waiting for quite a while
21:23 <Vanhayes> takes even longer when one or 2 people go afk for a while
21:33 <DrJoeTron> that was the most painless final ever
21:33 <DrJoeTron> this is the difficulty of my major?
21:33 <DrJoeTron> my god im a loser
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> what's your major now?
21:46 <DrJoeTron> graphic design
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> omfgluserroflcopter!
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> dude, go back to aol!
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> AOL - where "LOL" is a full stop
21:48 <DrJoeTron> ahaha
21:48 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> do you really want to do graphic design, or are you settling?
21:50 <DrJoeTron> settling
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> keeping in mind that you can always go back when you're old to learn what you really want to learn to do what you really want to do
21:51  * Lucifer_arma doesn't settle.  Hopefully nobody ever tries to sue him.
21:51 <DrJoeTron> well I realized for what I want to really do I don't need a degree but it helps
21:51 <DrJoeTron> yuk yuk yuk
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> what do you want to do?
21:51 <DrJoeTron> music
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> could you be a little more specific?  :)
21:52 <DrJoeTron> music performance :)
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> symphony, rock band, hired hand, what?
21:52 <DrJoeTron> anything
21:52 <DrJoeTron> thats just it
21:52 <DrJoeTron> I'm that vague for a reason
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> you want to get up on stage, beat some drums and wave your cock around?
21:53 <DrJoeTron> rock out with my cock out ;)
21:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, s3d?
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not right now.  Working on my pirate game, then studying and going to class
21:53 <spidey> lol
21:53 <spidey> k
21:57 <spidey> #h 15:30 pst in pst
21:57 <spidey> #g 15:30 pst in pst
21:57 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:57 <spidey> #g 15:30 pst in cdt
21:57 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:57 <spidey> #g 15:30 PST in CDT
21:57 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:57 <spidey> ....
21:58 <spidey> #g 15:30 PST in CST
21:58 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:58 <spidey> hm
21:58 <spidey> gay
21:59 <GodTodd> spidey: 15:30 PST is 17:30 CST
21:59  * GodTodd fills in for armabot :)
21:59 <spidey> lol
22:00 <spidey> well
22:00 <spidey> i think it's CDT
22:00 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping?
22:00 <GodTodd> still 2 hours difference
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:00 <spidey> are we in CDT?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> no
22:00 <spidey> or is it CSt already
22:00 <spidey> CST?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> CST
22:00 <GodTodd> we gained an hour
22:00 <GodTodd> so it's cst
22:00 <spidey> o
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> daylight savings is in the summer when we have to be frugal with our daylight
22:01  * Lucifer_arma was always confused about it, finally had to just learn it by rote
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> biscally, just know that you're in standard time on Christmas in the northern hemisphere
22:01 <GodTodd> so in the summer we're rationing water *and* sunlight? damn....what else can i not use?
22:01 <GodTodd> heh
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> remember that, and you can usually figure out what you're in now
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, shaving cream?
22:01 <GodTodd> have an electric
22:01 <GodTodd> dun need cream
22:02 <spidey> lol
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22:13 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I made the client send a message to the server :)
22:13 <spidey> lol
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> it says "Hi there!"
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> yay, now it knows your ip address and port
22:18 <spidey> ...
22:18  * spidey pictures the game luci's making as freeciv, pirates, and nukes
22:18 <spidey> ZOMG!
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> now I need to think a bit about how to put these pieces together to make a simple login/logout protocol and chat
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> then I can get the client written to handle chat, which takes a fair amount of UI work.  Then I can start on the pirate part proper :)
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22:23 <spidey> http://www.maclive.net/sid/134
22:26 <spidey> http://maclive.net/sid/135
22:27 <spidey> http://www.maclive.net/sid/136
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22:44 <DrJoeTron> I just found a program to just suck my resources away for fun
22:44 <ghableska> o.0
22:44 <ghableska> why would you want to do that?
22:44 <DrJoeTron> because its cool 
22:44 <DrJoeTron> http://codefromthe70s.org/desktopearth_dl.asp
22:44 <DrJoeTron> its kinda neat
22:45 <ghableska> Wow, it is!
22:45 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:45 <ghableska> :P
22:46 <DrJoeTron> I have it set to update clouds ever 3 hours, and time ever 15 minutes
22:46 <ghableska> cool
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22:47 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
22:47 <spidey> defcon got beefed up :D
22:47 <spidey> v1.2
22:47 <spidey> supports mods
22:49 <spidey> http://defcon.s4l.dk/screens/mods/satcon5.jpg
22:49 <spidey> http://defcon.s4l.dk/screens/mods/polar1.jpg
22:55 <DrJoeTron> it should have in the first place
22:55 <DrJoeTron> I didnt even know it patched
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23:06 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:06 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 33.8°F (3:54 PM CST on December 12, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa. 
23:10 <wrtlprnft> s3d certainly is addictive
23:10 <ghableska> heh
23:10 <wrtlprnft> and the volcano attack is cool :)
23:11  * ghableska still needs to buy new weapons
23:11 <Vanhayes> my favorite is the dirt wall
23:11 <Vanhayes> well those plus a nuke
23:11 <DrJoeTron> I like the city maps
23:11 <ghableska> haah
23:11 <DrJoeTron> because I'm a horrible human being
23:12 <ghableska> so do spidey and Lucifer_arma both have servers now?
23:12 <Vanhayes> heh, the screams are pretty realistic
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> um, I'm not running a fulltime server, I just setup my nat so I can run a server when we want to play
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> same deal with freeciv :)
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23:39 <spidey> ghableska, i'm same as Lucifer_arma :p
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23:40 <Your_mom_arma> ?
23:40 <ghableska> hmm
23:40  * ghableska just blew up himself with a Tsar Bomba
23:41 <Your_mom_arma> you guys playing online?
23:41 <ghableska> yeah
23:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: btw, found the answers to my questions: you get the extra view by pressing “v” and you can only have one of them, and to slowly adjust the shot power use shift+(page up|page down)
23:41 <ghableska> on some random server...
23:41 <Your_mom_arma> which one?
23:41 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@p50923C39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["leaving"]
23:41 <ghableska> I don't know :P
23:42 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6173535.stm <-- what's the use of a laser sight if you're blind?
23:42 <Your_mom_arma> anyone else playing, know which server so i can join?
23:43 <wrtlprnft> not me, i'll go to bed soon
23:44 <ghableska> Your_mom_arma: it was an apoc server
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23:45 <Your_mom_arma> why would you want to give guns to blind people, no offence to blind people. Even people with perfect vision end up shooting other people by"accident" while hunting
23:46 <ghableska> heh
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01:20 <RickyRoss> hi
01:20 <RickyRoss> is luke here
01:20 <luke-jr_work> ...
01:20 <luke-jr_work> not for long
01:20 <RickyRoss> i want to purchase hosting..
01:20 <luke-jr_work> going home now, back in 20
01:20 <RickyRoss> uh, i was going to buy hosting.
01:20 <luke-jr_work> ok
01:20 <RickyRoss> do oyou accept paypal
01:20 <luke-jr_work> can it wait 20 minutes or so please?
01:20 <luke-jr_work> yes
01:21 <RickyRoss> yes i'll come in 20 minutes.
01:21 <luke-jr_work> ok
01:21 <luke-jr_work> thanks
01:21 <RickyRoss> no problem
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01:25 <spidey> lol
01:25 <GodTodd> mpm
01:25 <GodTodd> knk
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> ;p;
01:26 <spidey> NO FucKING WAY
01:26 <GodTodd> knk is in the 2001 mold
01:26 <GodTodd> with hal
01:26 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, DrJoeTron Lucifer_arma GodTodd wrtlprnft ping PING PING ping
01:26 <spidey> Vanhayes, to
01:26 <GodTodd> what?
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> GodTodd: what are yiu talking about?
01:27 <spidey> s3d?
01:27 <GodTodd> can't right now
01:27 <spidey> anyone else? :p
01:27 <Vanhayes> pong
01:27 <spidey> s3d?
01:27 <Your_mom_arma> evil hal red seeing eye computer?
01:27 <GodTodd> Your_mom_arma: wasn't it the 2001 movie that had Hal the computer?
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> dont remember the year
01:28 <GodTodd> it was one of those
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> but whats knk?
01:28 <GodTodd> lol
01:28 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, Vanhayes  scorched3d? :)
01:28 <GodTodd> take HAL and add one to each letter
01:28 <GodTodd> you get IBM
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:29 <GodTodd> take knk and add one to each letter
01:29 <GodTodd> you get lol
01:29 <spidey> 1o1
01:29 <spidey> lol
01:29 <GodTodd> my server is named Hal :)
01:29 <spidey> hm
01:29 <spidey> font is retarded
01:29 <spidey> 1 looks like a l
01:29 <GodTodd> 1337
01:30 <spidey> hells yea
01:30 <spidey> my font comes preequipted beotch!
01:30 <GodTodd> preequipted? wtf is that?
01:30 <Your_mom_arma> irc chat gets filtered so i dont have to see color chat etc
01:30 <Your_mom_arma> ^my
01:31 <Your_mom_arma> is it a ted that has to be pre equiped?
01:32 <spidey> THEY CALL ME
01:33 <spidey> THE INCREDIBALE SPIDEY!
01:33 <Vanhayes> by they do you mean yourslef?
01:33 <Vanhayes> yourself*
01:33 <spidey> you secretly call me that
01:33 <Your_mom_arma> #dict INCREDIBALE
01:33 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: No definition for "INCREDIBALE" could be found.
01:33 <Vanhayes> heh
01:33 <spidey> #dict incredibale
01:33 <armabot> spidey: No definition for "incredibale" could be found.
01:33 <spidey> hm
01:34 <spidey> #check incredibal
01:34 <spidey> #check incredibale
01:34 <armabot> spidey: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
01:34 <spidey> ......
01:34 <armabot> spidey: incredible
01:34 <spidey> THEY CALL ME
01:34 <spidey> THE INCREDIBLE SPIDEY
01:34 <spidey> ;x
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> can we get 4 people for scorched?
01:34 <spidey> i'm up for it
01:35 <spidey> hayes? Lucifer_arma wrtlprnft ??
01:35 <Your_mom_arma> well 3 people is okay but falls apart easily
01:36 <Vanhayes> well im pretty beat, I was turkey jerking for 7 hours last night, got home around 4 am, I think ill go to bed pretty soon
01:37 <Vanhayes> oh ya, turnkey jerking isnt what it sounds like
01:37 <spidey> you played with yourself for 7 hours??
01:37 <spidey> wow
01:37 <spidey> that's like
01:37 <spidey> a record
01:37 <Vanhayes> got paid 50 buvks too
01:37 <Vanhayes> bucks*
01:38 <Vanhayes> turkey jerking= grabbing the turkies feet and throwing them in a truck
01:39 <Vanhayes> it was intense,around 10-12 of us filled 2 and a half flatbed trucks full of turkeys
01:40 <Vanhayes> I think the guy said there were a round 6000
01:40 <GodTodd> hayes jerks off turkeys?
01:40 <spidey> LOLOLOLOOL!!
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01:41 <spidey> #quote add <GodTodd> hayes jerks off turkeys?
01:41 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.  Quote #38 added.
01:41 <Vanhayes> damnit I said turkey jerking isnt what it sounds like
01:42 <spidey> #quote get 38
01:42 <armabot> spidey: Quote #38: "<GodTodd> hayes jerks off turkeys?" (added by spidey at 01:44 AM, December 13, 2006)
01:42 <ghableska> O_o
01:42 <ghableska> Vanhayes: sicko
01:42 <spidey> i couldn't help it
01:42 <spidey> it was so funny
01:42 <spidey> ;x
01:43 <Vanhayes> spidey sucks cow dick?
01:43 <Vanhayes> #quote add spidey sucks cow dick?
01:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.  Quote #39 added.
01:44 <Vanhayes> bam
01:44 <spidey> ..
01:44 <spidey> wow
01:44 <spidey> you can make shit up
01:44 <spidey> to bad that topic wasn't actually discussed
01:44 <spidey> because
01:44 <spidey> HAYES JERKS OFF TURKEYS!
01:44 <ghableska> #realchatlogs
01:44 <armabot> ghableska: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
01:44 <ghableska> :D
01:45 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:45 <Vanhayes> meh
01:45 <Vanhayes> #quote get 39
01:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #39: "spidey sucks cow dick?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:47 AM, December 13, 2006)
01:45 <spidey> #realchatlogs
01:45 <armabot> spidey: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
01:45 <ghableska> <Vanhayes> well im pretty beat, I was turkey jerking for 7 hours last night, got home around 4 am, I think ill go to bed pretty soon
01:45 <ghableska> ...
01:46 <luke-jr> ...
01:46 <ghableska> what were you trying to say?
01:46 <Vanhayes> oh ya, turnkey jerking isnt what it sounds like
01:46 <Vanhayes> that was right after it
01:46 <ghableska> ...?
01:46 <spidey> hayes jerks turkeys! :P
01:46 <Vanhayes> it is the name of the type of work
01:46 <luke-jr> so who is RickyRoss? :p
01:46 <ghableska> what do you do?
01:47 <ghableska> spidey: you are anything but incredible
01:47 <spidey> some guy i told you're a bad host
01:47 <spidey> so he isn't coming back
01:47 <Vanhayes> you grab the legs of a turkey in one hand, then grab the legs of another one in the other hand, pass them out the window to guys on flatbed trucks who then put them in crates to be shipped
01:48 <spidey> ghableska, shush munchin
01:48 <Vanhayes> do that untill they are all out of the 2 storied barn
01:48 <ghableska> hmm?
01:48 <ghableska> are they alive?
01:48 <Vanhayes> yup
01:48 <Vanhayes> and about 20-25 pounds each
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01:49 <ghableska> oops
01:51 <ghableska> #weather 50265
01:51 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 33.8°F (5:54 PM CST on December 12, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa. 
02:00 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
02:01 <Vanhayes> #ping
02:02 <armabot> pong
02:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 16°F / -9°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.66in / 1038hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM AST; Tonight - Clear. Low minus 11 with temperature rising to minus 2 by morning.; Wednesday - Increasing cloudiness early in the morning. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h in the morning. High 6. Wednesday night..periods of rain. Amount 5 to 10 mm. (1 more message)
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02:08 <GodTodd> ls
02:08 <GodTodd> oops
02:08 <GodTodd> heh
02:08 <ghableska> O_o
02:15 <ghableska> http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE/sr=8-1/qid=1165972571/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-0406121-0648719?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous
02:15 <spidey> luke-jr, ping
02:16 <luke-jr> ...
02:16 <spidey> pm
02:16 <ghableska> spidey, luke-jr: http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE/sr=8-1/qid=1165972571/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-0406121-0648719?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous
02:16 <ghableska> :P
02:16 <spidey> noob
02:16 <spidey> actually
02:16 <spidey> i'd drive it
02:17 <spidey> just so people look at me
02:17 <spidey> and go
02:17 <spidey> WTF IS HE DRIVING
02:17 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badonkadonk
02:17 <ghableska> O_O
02:31 <ghableska> #google density of mercury
02:31 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
02:31 <ghableska> -_-
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02:37 <RickyRoss> is luke here 
02:38 <luke-jr> yes
02:38 <RickyRoss> whats your paypal id
02:38 <luke-jr> O.o
02:38 <RickyRoss> send me a money request to eyeblaser47@gmail.com
02:38 <luke-jr> luke-jr_paypal@dashjr.is-a-geek.org
02:38 <RickyRoss> i want to purcahse hosting for a month
02:38 <luke-jr> ok
02:38 <RickyRoss> 32 player server
02:38 <luke-jr> US or Europe?
02:38 <RickyRoss> 32 bucks right?
02:38 <RickyRoss> US
02:39 <luke-jr> yeah
02:39 <RickyRoss> k 
02:39 <RickyRoss> esnd me a money reqest
02:40 <luke-jr> ok sent
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02:40 <luke-jr> ...
02:40 <spidey> lol!
02:41 <luke-jr> wtf
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02:41 <luke-jr> ...
02:41 <RickyRoss> i didn't receieve a money request yet
02:41 <luke-jr> I just sent it
02:41 <RickyRoss> k let me cehck
02:41 <luke-jr> please type /join #armalukechat
02:41 <RickyRoss> #armalukechat
02:42 <spidey> ROFL!
02:43 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: pong
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02:52 <spidey> p,g
02:53 <spidey> omg
02:53 <spidey> down to 1 cigarette a day
02:53 <luke-jr> o.o
02:53 <ghableska> congrats
02:53 <ghableska> how many was it before?
02:53 <spidey> pack 1/2
02:53 <ghableska> O_O
02:53 <spidey> sometimes less or more
02:53 <spidey> depending on my mood
02:54 <luke-jr> lol
02:55 <Vanhayes> quitter
02:55 <spidey> stfu turkey jerker
02:55 <ghableska> haha
02:55 <Vanhayes> 50$ richer for it too
02:55 <spidey> $50 wouldn't get me to jerk off a turkey
02:56 <spidey> noob
02:56 <luke-jr> spidey'll be $50 richer in a few months if he keeps at it :p
02:56 <spidey> ??
02:56 <luke-jr> I'm sure cigs add up
02:57 <spidey> hell yea
02:57 <spidey> #g $3/day * 30 days
02:57 <armabot> spidey: ((US$ 3) / day) * (30 days) = 90 U.S. dollars
02:57 <spidey> $90 a month
02:57 <Vanhayes> what costs 3 bucks?
02:58 <spidey> sanoma
02:58 <spidey> sonoma
02:58 <Vanhayes> a pack of those costs 3$ O-o
02:58 <spidey> they taste the same as marlboro
02:58 <spidey> but cheaper
02:58 <spidey> well
02:58 <spidey> kinda
02:58 <spidey> 2 packs for $5
02:58 <spidey> or so
02:58 <Vanhayes> 2.50
02:59 <Vanhayes> how many in a pack?
02:59 <spidey> so
02:59 <spidey> #g $2.50/day * 30 days
02:59 <armabot> spidey: ((US$ 2.50) / day) * (30 days) = 75 U.S. dollars
02:59 <spidey> 20
02:59 <Vanhayes> wow, cigs are cheap in the states
02:59 <spidey> not really
02:59 <Vanhayes> 10$ bucks for a average brand of 25 
03:00 <Vanhayes> here
03:00 <spidey> @2.50 USD in CAD
03:00 <spidey> #g $2.50 USD in CAD
03:00 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:00 <spidey> #g 2.50 USD in CAD
03:00 <armabot> spidey: 2.50 U.S. dollars = 2.87175 Canadian dollars
03:00 <spidey> ..
03:00 <Vanhayes> a pack of 25 cigs cost around $10 here
03:00 <spidey> heh
03:00 <spidey> we don't have 25 packs
03:00 <spidey> only 20
03:01 <Vanhayes> unless they are indian, then its around 5
03:01 <luke-jr> lol
03:01 <Vanhayes> anyways, im beat, good night
03:01 <Vanhayes> #night
03:01 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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03:02 <spidey> hm 
03:04 <DrJoeTron> what should I do for an avatar?
03:04 <spidey> oh
03:05 <spidey> make me one
03:05 <spidey> make it say
03:05 <spidey> "hayes is a turky jerker"
03:05 <DrJoeTron> after I get mine done
03:05 <spidey> cool
03:05 <DrJoeTron> because I can only upload one once
03:05 <spidey> and make a background
03:05 <spidey> make it
03:05 <spidey> a turky
03:05 <spidey> getting running
03:06 <spidey> and a human chasing
03:06 <spidey> ans label the human
03:06 <spidey> "hayes"
03:06 <DrJoeTron> and juggeling?
03:06 <spidey> 'er
03:06 <spidey> and make it a turkey running 
03:06 <spidey> and a human chasing
03:06 <spidey> and label the human "Vanhayes"
03:06 <spidey> i'll use :D
03:07 <DrJoeTron> should I use one of the dwh ones?
03:07 <spidey> dwh?
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03:09 <RickyRoss> hi
03:09 <RickyRoss> got disconnected
03:09 <luke-jr> please type /join #armalukechat
03:10 <spidey> /join #armalukechat
03:11 <luke-jr> stfu spidey
03:11 <spidey> i refuse
03:11 <[NP]Tangent> even I joined it, spidey
03:12 <[NP]Tangent> you have no excuse
03:12 <spidey> i do
03:12 <spidey> my short term memory is messed up
03:12 <[NP]Tangent> you can't remember the channel?
03:12 <spidey> remember what channel?
03:12 <[NP]Tangent> #armalukechat 
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03:13 <DrJoeTron> any ideas for an avatar?
03:13 <spidey> i just sdaid
03:13 <spidey> ...
03:13 <Legit> a super duck
03:13 <spidey> sheesh
03:14 <DrJoeTron> not for you spidey 
03:14 <DrJoeTron> for me
03:14 <spidey> oh
03:14 <spidey> you gonna make that one for me?
03:14 <spidey> i'll use it
03:14 <spidey> :D
03:14 <RickyRoss> avatars are for losers
03:14 <RickyRoss> i ride dirty
03:14 <spidey> ...
03:14 <DrJoeTron> someone spent 5 bucks on me to use an avatar
03:14 <Legit> super ducks r better then spiderds
03:15 <RickyRoss> spider nerds
03:15 <RickyRoss> :O
03:15 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: pong :P
03:15 <DrJoeTron> heya
03:16 <RickyRoss> o rly
03:16 <DrJoeTron> sup /b/?
03:16 <ghableska> http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&id=871&cc=-- :D
03:16 <RickyRoss>  i have two steam accounts
03:16 <RickyRoss> i bought the whole valve pack on both
03:16 <RickyRoss> one for my friend one for me
03:17 <RickyRoss> so we can play css and half life 2
03:18 <DrJoeTron> does this mean I can send myself steam passes? :p
03:18 <ghableska> haha
03:19 <ghableska> what would be the point though?
03:19 <ghableska> if you already have the game...
03:19 <RickyRoss> he wants to play wit himself
03:19 <RickyRoss> :O
03:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah
03:20 <DrJoeTron> that and DOD
03:22 <GodTodd> joe
03:22 <DrJoeTron> yessir?
03:22 <GodTodd> bite me
03:22 <GodTodd> :)
03:22 <DrJoeTron> does it pay?
03:23 <GodTodd> only if you have money to give me
03:27 <DrJoeTron> I like where this is going
03:27 <GodTodd> you would
03:27 <GodTodd> you slut
03:27 <DrJoeTron> you know it
03:28 <ghableska> *gasp*
03:28 <ghableska> DrJoeTron? never!
03:28 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
03:28 <DrJoeTron> talk dirty to me
03:28 <RickyRoss> a sudden burst of talking
03:28 <DrJoeTron> shut up ghableska, get back in the car and shut up!
03:28 <RickyRoss> my milkshare brings drjoetron to the yard
03:28 <DrJoeTron> no where were we
03:28 <DrJoeTron> like hell it does, 
03:28 <RickyRoss> hells yes
03:29 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd knows how to treat a man
03:29  * GodTodd is joe's pimp.
03:29 <DrJoeTron> thats right
03:29 <RickyRoss> joe gets p00ntang
03:29 <DrJoeTron> hey babeh, wanna kill all humans?
03:29 <GodTodd> heh
03:29 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd treats me like garbage
03:30 <DrJoeTron> but he knows thats how I like it
03:30 <RickyRoss> then dont play with fire
03:30 <DrJoeTron> I enjoy the burn
03:30 <RickyRoss> make a baby momma slap a dadd baby
03:30 <GodTodd> rug burns?
03:31 <RickyRoss> stunting like my daddy lalalalalal
03:31 <GodTodd> i told you, joe...no more rugs till you know how to keep them from getting sticky
03:31 <ghableska> >_>
03:31 <RickyRoss> :<
03:31 <DrJoeTron> aw come on please babeh, I is jonesin
03:31 <RickyRoss> luke jr! i have ur phone number
03:32 <RickyRoss> can i pls call you
03:32 <luke-jr> ...
03:32 <RickyRoss> lwl
03:32 <luke-jr> go ahead
03:32 <RickyRoss> haha, i
03:32 <RickyRoss> i'd use skype
03:32 <DrJoeTron> can I call you?
03:32 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr?
03:32 <RickyRoss> can i give them ur phone number
03:32 <RickyRoss> the one that starts wit 9113
03:32 <RickyRoss> 913*
03:32 <luke-jr> skype sux :p
03:32 <DrJoeTron> I know you've been so eager to call me all of thes times
03:32 <RickyRoss> you guys can have phone secs
03:33 <luke-jr> ok, no more phone calls :o
03:33  * luke-jr unplugs phones
03:33 <DrJoeTron> yeah we can do whatever he just said, that thing that wasnt a word
03:33  * RickyRoss memorizes luke's phone #
03:33 <luke-jr> I need to go shopping >.>
03:33 <luke-jr> bbiab
03:33 <RickyRoss> bei
03:33  * DrJoeTron wants to try playing HL2 with the Wiimote
03:34 <DrJoeTron> speaking of 
03:34 <RickyRoss> drjoetron u have wii?
03:34 <RickyRoss> i bought a wii mote and nunchuk off dell.com since everywhere is sold out
03:34 <RickyRoss> i pwn, creativeness
03:34 <DrJoeTron> hey Your_mom_arma did you see the shit you could do with the wiimote now?
03:34 <DrJoeTron> I dont, I'm trying to get one
03:34 <RickyRoss> you can use it on comp
03:34 <DrJoeTron> I just said you could
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03:35 <RickyRoss> HEY
03:35 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma check this out http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2211960 
03:36 <RickyRoss> ct is going to be dead
03:36 <RickyRoss> i bought a 32 player off luke and i'm going to run the best maps
03:36 <DrJoeTron> pft
03:36 <RickyRoss> the ones they have, i got a copy and a roater
03:36 <RickyRoss> muthatruckers
03:37 <DrJoeTron> now the lobster cage, thats a cool servers
03:37 <RickyRoss> 32 yeqars ago
03:37 <DrJoeTron> I hear thats where all the fly honeys get bizzay
03:37 <RickyRoss> o rly
03:37 <DrJoeTron> seriously
03:37 <DrJoeTron> do you go to 4chan or something
03:37 <RickyRoss> i dont believe u lets throw down
03:38 <RickyRoss> biatch
03:38 <RickyRoss> you nawber got pawnd
03:38 <RickyRoss> skeet skeet
03:38 <DrJoeTron> #rules
03:38 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
03:39 <RickyRoss> #rules
03:39 <armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
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03:58 <Lucifer_arma> who the fuck was that?
04:00 <DrJoeTron> someone who learned whatirc was?
04:02 <GodTodd> it was joe's new fuck toy
04:02 <GodTodd> he's cheating on me :(
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04:06 <RickyRoss> luke
04:06 <RickyRoss> done?
04:10 <GodTodd> hrmm...it's qt4 that isn't available for windows for free?
04:10 <Your_mom_arma> joe the wiimote / windows mouse stuff i knew about
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04:16 <Your_mom_arma> wb
04:16 <ghableska> thanks
04:17 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
04:17 <Your_mom_arma> didnt know they did it on linux too but im not suprised
04:18 <DrJoeTron> should I just use my current avatar?
04:18 <Your_mom_arma> ?
04:18 <DrJoeTron> for SA
04:18 <DrJoeTron> I was "adopted" and the guy decided he liked me enough to buy me an avatar gift certificate
04:18 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2222932 and the fun ensued
04:20 <ghableska> hahaha
04:20 <ghableska> you're cute and quirky? O_o
04:20 <ghableska> since when?
04:20 <DrJoeTron> since never
04:20 <DrJoeTron> they allow all types of errors in byob
04:20 <DrJoeTron> its just a madhouse
04:21 <ghableska> byob?
04:21 <DrJoeTron> I dont think it even stands for anything
04:21 <ghableska> o0
04:22 <Your_mom_arma> bring your own beer?
04:22 <DrJoeTron> not for this one
04:22 <DrJoeTron> its like a really really nice purply version of fyad
04:22 <DrJoeTron> which is fuck yourself and die
04:23 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:23 <DrJoeTron> in fyad your post count go down into the negatives
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04:23 <DrJoeTron> and byob your posts dont change.
04:30 <DrJoeTron> alright
04:33 <DrJoeTron> http://67.37.179.152/RCM.gif Your_mom_arma you might good with this, I need to come up with a custom title to fit this.
04:35 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
04:37 <DrJoeTron> I need text to fallow it
04:37 <ghableska> "Mop it up!"
04:37 <Your_mom_arma> pick up the coins
04:37 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> man, why doesn't that asshole come in here when I'm actually watching?
04:38 <DrJoeTron> mom your's is going to be it unless I can come up something better
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04:39 <DrJoeTron> man this desktop earth thing is really fucking cool
04:39 <DrJoeTron> I dont care if its taking 7 megs of resources
04:39 <ghableska> :P
04:40 <DrJoeTron> not like I cant sacrifice it
04:40 <DrJoeTron> I wish I could see the entire world
04:40 <DrJoeTron> it cuts off at new zealand and eastern africa
04:41 <DrJoeTron> and russia
04:41 <DrJoeTron> I dont think it even gets that far
04:41 <ghableska> same here
04:41 <DrJoeTron> oh there we go
04:41 <DrJoeTron> set it to sunset
04:41 <DrJoeTron> it just rotates it
04:41 <DrJoeTron> thats really cool
04:42 <ghableska> ?
04:42 <DrJoeTron> click the earth
04:42 <DrJoeTron> tray icon I mean
04:42 <Your_mom_arma> luci is there a way to remove spam links in the wiki's history?
04:42 <ghableska> oh, I see it
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of
04:42 <DrJoeTron> and instead of centered on timezone
04:42 <DrJoeTron> set it to something different
04:42 <DrJoeTron> and I turned off clouds
04:42 <ghableska> how?
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm pretty sure the history pages are served with directions to crawlers not to index them
04:42 <ghableska> turn off overlay
04:43 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> I could be wrong, you'd have to check the page source to confirm
04:43 <ghableska> ok
04:43 <DrJoeTron> hey mom check this out mr. I have 2 monitors
04:43 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> if an actual human goes through their and finds spam links with ads they're really interested in and clicks on the ads, I don't really give a shit
04:43 <DrJoeTron> http://codefromthe70s.org/desktopearth_dl.asp
04:43 <Your_mom_arma> same luci
04:44 <DrJoeTron> I have it set up to change time ever 15 minutes
04:45 <Your_mom_arma> i dont want that, but the screen shots look cool
04:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
04:46 <DrJoeTron> hey ghableska 
04:47 <DrJoeTron> those lights in the ocean
04:47 <DrJoeTron> are those oil rigs?
04:47 <DrJoeTron> atlantic 
04:47 <ghableska> hmm?
04:47 <DrJoeTron> off the coast of the us
04:47 <ghableska> east or west?
04:47 <ghableska> oh, hah
04:47 <ghableska> hmm
04:48 <ghableska> islands?
04:49 <GodTodd> hrmmm.....
04:49  * GodTodd dicks around with qt4.
04:49 <DrJoeTron> east coast
04:50 <DrJoeTron> islands int he atlantic?
04:50 <DrJoeTron> look at virginia
04:50 <DrJoeTron> and go right
04:50 <DrJoeTron> theres no island there
04:50 <ghableska> is it bermuda?
04:50 <DrJoeTron> farther past
04:50 <ghableska> oh
04:51 <DrJoeTron> its either a massive cruiseline 
04:51 <DrJoeTron> or an oil rigger
04:51 <ghableska> do you have it set for abundant city lights?
04:51 <Your_mom_arma> its a ufo
04:52 <DrJoeTron> nah just city lights
04:52 <DrJoeTron> even abundant
04:52 <DrJoeTron> and holy crap
04:52 <DrJoeTron> thats bright
04:54 <DrJoeTron> I think il keep it on abundant
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04:54 <DrJoeTron> ooooh moonlit surfaces
04:57  * GodTodd watches joe wank over his desktop.
04:59 <ghableska> haha
05:00 <ghableska> I'm going to bed, cya
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05:04 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, DrJoeTron GodTodd ping
05:17 <DrJoeTron> I got it!
05:17 <DrJoeTron> its gonna be
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> a webcam?
05:17 <DrJoeTron> my girlfriend likes it when I use the Stone Hands
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: pong
05:17 <spidey> S3D?
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> sexturbation3d?
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> in a bit
05:24 <Legit> ey, luke u here?
05:36 <spidey> #quote get 38
05:36 <armabot> spidey: Quote #38: "<GodTodd> hayes jerks off turkeys?" (added by spidey at 01:44 AM, December 13, 2006)
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> man, if vanhayes can work a complete shift throwing 20-25 pound turkeys out the window into a truck, I want him to give me a handjob.
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> #q
05:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #29: "It was like playing a game with a ping of 3000. -- John Carmack, Founder, Armadillo Aerospace" (added by GodTodd at 05:34 AM, October 29, 2006)
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> #q
05:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #23: "<spidey> you wanna fuck Luke-Jr ?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:40 AM, October 15, 2006)
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> #q
05:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> I can play scorched3d now
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: spidey (hi there!) luke-jr (hi there!) DrJoeTron (hi there!) 
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> ping!
05:53 <luke-jr> .
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> #q
05:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 06:24 AM, March 27, 2006)
05:58 <luke-jr> O.o
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm joining The Stone Age server if anybody wants to play scorched3d
06:01 <luke-jr> GodTodd: Qt4 is always Free
06:01 <luke-jr> Legit: ?
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06:02 <RickyRoss> luke
06:02 <luke-jr> Legit: waiting on a new rental from some Georgia company
06:02 <RickyRoss> are you done?
06:02 <luke-jr> RickyRoss:  waiting on a new rental from some Georgia company
06:02 <RickyRoss> just use a europe server then
06:02 <RickyRoss> the one you host 2020 challenge on
06:03 <luke-jr> ...
06:03 <RickyRoss> i thought i would of had the server up tonight
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> wait, this isn't the scorched3d irc channel?
06:03 <RickyRoss> hm
06:03 <luke-jr> RickyRoss: it could be, the night is short :p
06:04 <RickyRoss> its 9 pm here
06:04 <RickyRoss> what time will it be up
06:04 <luke-jr> dunno, they said within 24-48 hrs
06:04 <luke-jr> and from there, setting it up in maybe 10-15 min at least
06:05 <RickyRoss> what kind of server is it
06:05 <luke-jr> if you need it tonight, I can put it Europe temp or smth?
06:05 <RickyRoss> just a web hosting server
06:05 <luke-jr> no, can't put games on a web host server =p
06:05 <RickyRoss> its a virtual privaet hosting one?
06:05 <luke-jr> it's a machine :p
06:05 <RickyRoss> oh
06:05 <RickyRoss> your renting a machine that hosts the server for you?
06:06 <RickyRoss> do you have software that you installed somehow
06:06 <luke-jr> a machine on a biz internet connection
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06:06 <luke-jr> ...
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the stone age server sucks
06:09 <luke-jr> lol
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> #q
06:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #30: "Fonkay: Are you afraid of sex? -armabot" (added by spidey at 01:02 AM, November 02, 2006)
06:10  * Lucifer_arma hums while waiting for the "scorchwars" mod to download
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> man.  it takes forever to download a mod
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: GodTodd (hi there!) DrJoeTron (hi there!) ping!
06:15 <DrJoeTron> I'm doing a chart for my friend in photoshop
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> astrological chart?
06:23 <spidey> yawn
06:24 <GodTodd> nway
06:24 <spidey> WTF YOU WANT!?
06:24 <spidey> yway
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> scorched
06:24 <spidey> sure
06:25 <spidey> you host or me?
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter, I'm playing the scorchwars server
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> but that mod takes a long time to download
06:25 <spidey> lol
06:26 <spidey> i'm really tired
06:26 <spidey> so it better not take tro long
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's not fun, lemme start my server
06:26 <spidey> k
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
06:27 <spidey> oh no
06:27 <GodTodd> sure
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> server started
06:28 <GodTodd> hrmm
06:28 <spidey> the hell
06:28 <GodTodd> socket closed on me
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:29 <spidey> it didn't load past the screen after it loads the mods
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> not for me either
06:30 <spidey> click the quit button
06:30 <spidey> or w/e
06:30 <spidey> it loaded after i did that
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?  It seems to be wroking now
06:33 <GodTodd> trying
06:33 <GodTodd> nope
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> weird
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe spidey should start his :)
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> ip, spidey?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> you should really get a dyndns thing we can remember :)
06:35 <spidey> todd.sucks.dong
06:35 <spidey> :D
06:36 <spidey> Wan IP
06:36 <spidey> 	68.119.125.27
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06:38 <GodTodd> grrr
06:38 <GodTodd> same thing
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> what version you using?
06:38 <GodTodd> 40.1d
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> ah, heh
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> says so in the title bar, doesn't it?  Mine's the same version
06:40 <spidey> argh
06:40 <spidey> client crashed
06:40 <spidey> but i'm safe!
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> lemme try disconnecting and godtodd connect
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> er, after this
06:41 <spidey> todd
06:41 <spidey> try now
06:41 <GodTodd> i am
06:41 <spidey> i disabled serverside kicking
06:41 <spidey> kinda
06:41 <spidey> if you see a screen that says "OK" at the bottom
06:41 <spidey> click it
06:41 <GodTodd> yeah
06:41 <GodTodd> i'm in now
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: ?
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> you're in now
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07:13 <luke-jr> GodTodd: wtf... Eiffel Tower??
07:15 <GodTodd> what of it?
07:19 <luke-jr> never seen anyone seriously consider it a priority before, :p
07:19 <luke-jr> guess it might be useful w/ that many AI tho
07:19 <GodTodd> would you like to give me a different set of orders...i wouldn't know what to do unless you tell me what's best
07:26 <GodTodd> no better orders?
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07:51 <GodTodd> luke-jr?
08:48 <spidey> hmm
08:48 <spidey> looks like i'm hosting for the night ;/
08:48 <spidey> people still joining the server
08:48 <spidey> lol
08:50 <GodTodd> bah...client locked up on me
08:50 <spidey> lol
08:51 <spidey> i nailed luci with a meteor right after he moved
08:51 <spidey> :D
08:51 <GodTodd> heh
08:51 <spidey> then the next map i got stuck on the side of a mountain which "was" impossible to shoot
08:51 <spidey> over
08:51 <spidey> at people
08:51 <GodTodd> that's when you need a teleport
08:51 <spidey> closest i got to luci without hitting the mountain was about 10 meters away
08:52 <spidey> so i shot 2 meteors at a unexpecting quit mountain side community
08:52 <spidey> then luci left so i did to
08:52 <GodTodd> heh
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'ma go take a good, relaxing shit, shower, and sleep
08:55 <GodTodd> yeah...bedtime for me too
08:57 <spidey> same
09:36 <DrJoeTron> http://snowflakes.lookandfeel.com/ you gotta make a snow flake before you can go to bed
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10:57 <madmax|pt> hello
11:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6500 /private/z-man/clio/test.cpp: Added macro overrides to test effects of features on code size.
11:29 <wrtlprnft> spidey: s3d?
13:00 <DrJoeTron> spidey went to "bed"
13:01 <DrJoeTron> are you asking what s3d stands for?>
13:13 <wrtlprnft> scorched3d
13:13 <wrtlprnft> i was asking if he wanted to play
13:15 <madmax|pt> does it make sense to ask "is there a UML diagram for arma?" ?
13:20 <wrtlprnft> uml?
13:21 <DrJoeTron> oh wow
13:21 <DrJoeTron> I didnt know you played s3d
13:21 <madmax|pt> "Unified Modelling Language"
13:22 <wrtlprnft> yeah, found it on wikipedia
13:22 <wrtlprnft> i don't think there is one
13:22 <wrtlprnft> there's docygen documentation at http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/doxy , but it's incomplete
13:25 <madmax|pt> thanks
13:25 <madmax|pt> I was looking for some kind of global view of the code
13:27 <wrtlprnft> i'd wish to have one, too.
13:27 <wrtlprnft> bbl
13:27 <madmax|pt> :)
13:27 <madmax|pt> didn't know about doxygen
13:29 <madmax|pt> looks like some kind of javadoc
13:32 <DrJoeTron> herp derp
14:36 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6501 /private/z-man/clio/ (functioninfo.hpp ifunctioninfo.cpp ifunctioninfo.hpp): Code size optimization: don't use class specific std::set if all you need is a base class std::set.
15:01 <spidey> luke-jr, luke-jr_work 
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15:11 <luke-jr> ...
15:12 <spidey> pm?
15:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6502 /private/z-man/clio/Makefile:
15:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Added new optimization options.
15:16 <armabot> armagetronad: Added makefile as compilation dependency.
15:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6503 /private/z-man/clio/ (iobjectwrapperaware.cpp iobjectwrapperaware.hpp): Changed fallback MakeObjectWrapperAware() function so it is inlinable.
15:20 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6504 /private/z-man/clio/test.cpp: Added test for member function pointer reinterpret_cast robustness.
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16:25  * Lucifer_arma yawns and sniffs
17:35 <madmax|pt> "Dear Santa, for christmas I want red 'LOL!'s off tron."
17:36 <[dlh]> LOL!
17:37 <madmax|pt> Knew it.
17:38 <z-man-work> Santa says: use FILTER_COLOR_STRINGS 1
17:38 <madmax|pt> oO
17:39 <[dlh]> z-man-work: custom constructors aren't working for me anymore in clio.
17:39 <madmax|pt> Thanks Santa!
17:39 <z-man-work> hmm, since when?
17:39 <[dlh]> I just updated, after the recent optimization commits
17:40 <z-man-work> Strange, they shouldn't change functionality, they just moved destruction of objects around.
17:41 <z-man-work> What is the output of test8()?
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17:42 <madmax|pt> Hm, how about color team messages...
17:42 <z-man-work> Well, nothing is perfect.
17:42 <madmax|pt> :)
17:43 <[dlh]> Oh, I'm compiling the wrappers for AA, let me check what test.cpp does…
17:43 <z-man-work> Ah, I think I know : you need to add CLIO_CLASS_DESTRUCTOR_NONVIRTUAL( tOutput );
17:44 <z-man-work> I forgot to commit that yesterday
17:44 <z-man-work> the "backtrace" of the compiler error should actually have told you that, I tend to leave comments around.
17:46 <z-man-work> I should make those comments more visually outstanding and give them a standard form, I guess.
17:46 <[dlh]> I see, thanks.
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> #g 9 * 16 * 4
17:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 9 * 16 * 4 = 576
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> can't live on $576/month :/
17:49 <z-man-work> 9 hours per week at 16$/h or 16 hours at 9$?
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> what the hell is ID theory?
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that's 16 hours at $9
18:18 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, nvm, I found out what ID theory is
18:21 <z-man-work> gaa, you made me google it.
18:22 <spidey> luci
18:22 <spidey> lets play S3D :D
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> what spidey?
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, can't
18:22 <spidey> ;(
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: I found another ID theory that's not jesus loving that actually fits the job description
18:22 <Lucifer_arma> but I don't know anything about it, and it's a requirement
18:22 <z-man-work> for the job?
18:24 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's probably Instructional Design.  I've now found two job listings that want it and spell it out instead of giving an ambiguous acronym
18:27 <Lucifer_arma> Levar Burton just told me there's a book written by Dwayne Dibbly
18:31 <z-man-work> That was the most uninteresting fact I learned today.
18:37 <madmax|pt> [dlh]: ever had problems with the WindowServer process eating lots of cpu?
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18:47 <Lucifer_arma> It's interesting because Dwayne Dibbly is a Red Dwarf character :)
18:48 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6505 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Wrapped tCommandLine
18:49 <[dlh]> madmax|pt: nope, not really.
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19:21 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6506 /armagetronad/branches/Io/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Wrapped some useful class methods of tConfItemBase, but they unfortunately can not be used yet.
19:27 <spidey> #quote get 37
19:27 <spidey> #quote get 36
19:27 <spidey> ..
19:27 <spidey> #ping
19:27 <spidey> #whoami
19:27 <spidey> !
19:28 <spidey> wrtlprnft, why is the stupid bot still ignoring me?
19:29 <armabot> spidey: Quote #37: "Out of the whole multitude of prudent men in the world, the great majority are so from timidity. --Clausewitz" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:40 PM, December 09, 2006)
19:29 <armabot> spidey: Quote #36: "<Durka> HEY im a n00b" (added by spidey at 08:45 PM, December 07, 2006)
19:29 <armabot> pong
19:29 <armabot> spidey: spidey
19:29 <spidey> wow
19:29 <spidey> that's uber lag
19:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey: the bot is in the swap space most of the time
19:32 <wrtlprnft> s3d?
19:32 <spidey> yea
19:32 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, GodTodd ?
19:33 <wrtlprnft> darn, spidey's identified again, need to check my logs for the ip
19:33 <wrtlprnft> darn hostname cloaking
19:33 <spidey> it's like
19:33 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with 68.
19:33 <armabot> spidey: [06:39:11] <spidey> 	68.119.125.27
19:34 <wrtlprnft> apparently it's not running yet.
19:34 <spidey> nope
19:34 <spidey> himme a sec
19:34 <spidey> gimme*
19:36 <spidey> ok started
19:36 <[dlh]> I'll play, but I probably suck. :|
19:36 <spidey> lol
19:36 <spidey> so do we
19:36 <wrtlprnft> i can beat the standard bots no problem now
19:36 <wrtlprnft> practiced a bit
19:36 <wrtlprnft> the hard ones are tough, but i played a match and lost very narrowly
19:37 <wrtlprnft> narrowly ← can you say that?
19:38 <[dlh]> disconnected≥
19:38 <[dlh]> …
19:38 <spidey> it kicked you
19:38 <[dlh]> er, why?
19:38 <spidey> i have no clue
19:40 <spidey> ok
19:40 <spidey> try now
19:40 <spidey> i disabled idle kicking
19:40 <wrtlprnft> i can connect
19:40 <spidey> console says he's being kicked
19:41 <[dlh]> hmm, “Loaded mod "apoc" 478 file, space required … (…) bytes; Socket closed; Disconnected.”
19:42 <[dlh]> Guess I won't play, then.
19:50 <spidey> hm
19:50 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:51 <spidey> it
19:51 <spidey> crashed
19:51 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:51 <wrtlprnft> you know that you can move the mouse pointer somewhere and press a, right?
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21:13 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:13 <spidey> heh
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21:13 <Lucifer_arma> did you just annihilate spidey?
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> I can go a few rounds of scorched if you guys are still playing
21:13 <wrtlprnft> 2:1 for me
21:13 <spidey> he had this reflection shield
21:13 <spidey> so i had to land meteors infront of him
21:13 <wrtlprnft> ok, i'll play another last one
21:13 <Vanhayes> who all is playing scortched right now?
21:14 <spidey> me luci and wrtl?
21:14 <spidey> #quote get 38
21:14 <armabot> spidey: Quote #38: "<GodTodd> hayes jerks off turkeys?" (added by spidey at 01:44 AM, December 13, 2006)
21:14 <Vanhayes> what server?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> #last --with 80.
21:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 17214 messages.
21:14 <spidey> lucis?
21:14 <Vanhayes> I am a proud turkey jerker
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: [06:39:11] <spidey> 68.119.125.27
21:14 <wrtlprnft> #last --with 68.
21:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [21:17:31] <Lucifer_arma> spidey: [06:39:11] <spidey> 68.119.125.27
21:15 <wrtlprnft> wtf
21:15 <wrtlprnft> i only see a console
21:16 <wrtlprnft> and can't chat
21:16 <Vanhayes> reconnect?
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, we were having this problem last night
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> persistence seems to be the key
21:16 <wrtlprnft> better
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: ?
21:19 <spidey> Vanhayes, 
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21:21 <Van-hayes> fuck scortched has some problems
21:22 <Van-hayes> #lastt --nolimit
21:22 <Van-hayes> #last --nolimit
21:22 <armabot> Van-hayes: [21:25:13] <Van-hayes> #lastt --nolimit, [21:24:29] <Van-hayes> fuck scortched has some problems, [21:22:54] <spidey> Vanhayes,, [21:22:27] <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: ?, [21:19:52] <wrtlprnft> better, [21:19:49] <Lucifer_arma> persistence seems to be the key, [21:19:43] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, we were having this problem last night, [21:19:25] <Vanhayes> reconnect?, [21:19:05] <wrtlprnft> and can't chat, (50 more messages)
21:22 <Van-hayes> #more
21:22 <armabot> Van-hayes: [21:18:49] <wrtlprnft> i only see a console, [21:18:44] <wrtlprnft> wtf, [21:17:34] <wrtlprnft> #last --with 68., [21:17:31] <Lucifer_arma> spidey: [06:39:11] <spidey> 68.119.125.27, [21:17:30] <Vanhayes> I am a proud turkey jerker, [21:17:27] <spidey> lucis?, [21:17:23] <wrtlprnft> #last --with 80., [21:17:15] <Vanhayes> what server?, [21:17:11] <spidey> #quote get 38, [21:17:05] <spidey> me luci and (49 more messages)
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21:50 <Lucifer_arma> joe, come play!
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> spidey's server
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: [06:39:11] <spidey> 68.119.125.27
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTr0n: 
21:54 <DrJoeTr0n> yo
21:54 <DrJoeTr0n> In a sec
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22:06 <DrJoeTr0n> ghableska do you still have desktop earth installed?
22:09 <ghableska> yes, why?
22:12 <DrJoeTr0n> its almost sunset in america :D
22:13 <ghableska> heh
22:13 <ghableska> DrJoeTr0n: want to send me a guest pass? :P
22:13  * DrJoeTr0n boots up steam
22:15 <DrJoeTr0n> how do I do such a thing
22:16 <ghableska> games > manage guest passes 
22:16 <DrJoeTr0n> Initially guest passes will be supported only for Day of Defeat: Source. In addition, guest passes will initially be granted only to a small set of users invited to a private beta. After the beta period ends guest passes will be rolled out on a larger scale.
22:17 <DrJoeTr0n> I have none to give
22:17 <ghableska> aww
22:17 <DrJoeTr0n> go out and buy it :)
22:17 <ghableska> sometime :P
22:18 <ghableska> #armaservers
22:18 <armabot> ghableska: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (12 players) || Norm's Place (8 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (7 players) || The Lobster Cage (6 players) || 2020 team challenge (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (5 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (5 players) || Legendary Clan Server ^}LC}< (5 players) || (1 more message)
22:18 <ghableska> #serverdetails 2020
22:18 <armabot> ghableska: 2020 team challenge: Players (6/16): fox, G5, h, TIMMY O TOOL, ~*SP*~ 1nf3rn0, ¦×¥ W4z3r
22:18 <ghableska> #serverdetails ess caf
22:18 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
22:18 <DrJoeTr0n> #serverdetails Lobster
22:18 <armabot> DrJoeTr0n: The Lobster Cage: Players (6/7): Bloodlust, Clown Shoes, Garth, SCPD, Voip, ~fish~
22:18 <DrJoeTr0n> I get all of the weirdos
22:19 <ghableska> haha
22:19 -!- DrJoeTr0n is now known as DrJoeTron
22:21 <ghableska> heh
22:21 <ghableska> #weather 50265
22:21 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 55.4°F (2:54 PM CST on December 13, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa. 
22:51 <spidey> remind me not to listen to hayes anymore
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> wow, that was a nice find
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't say make us filthy stinking rich
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> neither did I :)
22:51 <spidey> lol
22:51 <spidey> yes he did
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> the problem I wanted fixed is that a person who wins snowballs quite a bit
22:51 <spidey> he said turn it all the way up
22:51 <spidey> so i did
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> they get money, the losers are broker than dirt.  The winner gets good stuff, losers get baby missiles
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, apparently an ultra shield can withstand multiple nukes
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not really kamikaze if you have an ultra shield
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> you need that and parachutes :)
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> and nukes, of course
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> no need to aim, just teleport in close and nuke him
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> I did want to ask, though.  How many apocalypses did you want me to live through?
22:54 <Van-hayes> heh, never shoot them straight up
23:00 <spidey>  LOL
23:01 <spidey> luci > that's how it should be
23:01 <spidey> WORK for what you get
23:01 <spidey> i was getting good stuff the normal way and i wasn't winning
23:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that's an expensive way of killing someone
23:01 <spidey> anyways i'ma goto sleep
23:01 <spidey> i'ma leave the server running
23:01 <spidey> if you want to play later >.>
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> I don't mind working for what you get, I mind the vast difference that quickly happens
23:04 <ghableska> ah, strangeglove :)
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> the first winner buys some shit, and now he has a huge advantage the next round.  If he wins, which is likely, he's virtually undefeatable for the remaining rounds
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'll take some pride that while you all were destroying the map with all sorts of apocolyptic weapons, I managed to step lightly through, rack up a bunch of kills, and survive
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> that gives me hope in case there's a real nuclear holocaust :)
23:06 <wrtlprnft> then you won't have super extra hyper mag shields
23:06 <spidey> in a real nuclear holocause they'll aim there nukes, they won't just fire straight up
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> weren't you firing mostly weapons you can't aim?
23:06 <spidey> yea LOL
23:06 <wrtlprnft> you can aim most weapons, sort of
23:06 <spidey> actually
23:07 <spidey> metoer shower drops more in the direction you aim
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> when spidey's firing a weapon you can't aim, the safest place to be is right next to him
23:07 <wrtlprnft> even the strangelove explodes at the highest point of its trajectory
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> normally the safest place to be is wherever spidey's aiming
23:07 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:08 <spidey> ..
23:08 <spidey> same for luci
23:08 <wrtlprnft> same for me
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:08 <wrtlprnft> one round i tried to shoot spidey like 10 times
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I can hit anything within a certain range with only 2 shots, 1 to aim
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> but I can't hit shit outside that range, including what's right next to me
23:08 <wrtlprnft> i had a doghnut-shaped crater around him
23:08 <wrtlprnft> he was sitting right in the middle
23:08 <spidey> tLOL
23:09 <wrtlprnft> though it was only baby missiles, no nuges
23:09 <wrtlprnft> *nukes
23:09 <wrtlprnft> they'd have killed him all
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> I always miss with nukes, for some reason
23:09 <wrtlprnft> but i like investing in shields, not weapons
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to buy mirvs because then I just need to hit a little short of him but in a straight line
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> that's easier than hitting someone :)
23:10 <wrtlprnft> spidey: btw, why do you use normal tracers?
23:10 <spidey> easier to aim with
23:10 <wrtlprnft> the cross tracers are waay more effective as they show you how you have to alter your settings
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> when they stay where they're put, you can see the whole path
23:10 <wrtlprnft> every dot to the side is 2.5 degrees turn, the others are 2.5 degrees pitch
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> not that I use tracers, as many times as I have to fire to hit somebody, my screen turns all blue
23:11 <wrtlprnft> and orange is more beautiful
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'll use a tracer when I'm worried I might hit something close to me, like a gas station
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> the tracer won't blow it up :)
23:11 <wrtlprnft> or a power plant
23:11 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: use riot bombs
23:12 <wrtlprnft> or those hill-making things
23:12 <wrtlprnft> they're free
23:12 <spidey> um
23:12 <spidey> dude
23:12 <spidey> riotbombs DO damage
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I played something where the tracers were free
23:12 <spidey> ask luci
23:12 <spidey> i killed him with one
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but not much
23:12 <spidey> enough
23:12 <spidey> plus
23:12 <spidey> they dig
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you put it that way, I killed you with a pen laser :)
23:12 <wrtlprnft> riot bombs DO NOT do damage
23:12 <spidey> so a direct hit = death
23:12 <ghableska> haha
23:12 <wrtlprnft> the damage happens if you drop
23:12 <spidey> they DO TO do damage
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> he shot someone close to him, and he was on the edge of the explosion.  Knocked him down to like 10 hit points or something
23:13 <wrtlprnft> if you have a parachute riot bombs are totally harmless
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> then he buried himself.  Only thing I had tht could hit him was a pen laser
23:13 <wrtlprnft> i always buy like 20 batteries for that
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, they do a little damage to the tank, but yeah, their purpose is to drop someone
23:13 <wrtlprnft> hello?
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> they're also good for aiming because they make a bigger hole than baby missiles
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> hello
23:14 <wrtlprnft> i've dropped several with speed=0, directly onto me, with a parachute
23:14 <wrtlprnft> they didn't do any damage
23:14 <wrtlprnft> before:100
23:14 <wrtlprnft> after:100
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> did you have a shield?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> no
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> wind?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> 0 speed
23:14 <wrtlprnft> it did explode right on me, anyways
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> because I've been hit while using a parachute and they did damage to me, just not much
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> the little tooltip in the purchase screen says "does little damage to tanks but clears dirt"
23:15 <wrtlprnft> maybe something nearby exploded?
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> no.  maybe it does only kinetic damage
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> speed=0 means no kinetic energy
23:15 <wrtlprnft> could be
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> no kinetic energy = no damage
23:15 <wrtlprnft> gotta try with no wind and straight up
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> power 1000 :)
23:15 <wrtlprnft> 1
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> and parachutes
23:16 <wrtlprnft> yep
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> you know, the first time I teleported to spidey and nuked him, it was a suicidal attack.  I was so shocked that I lived, I had to try it again and again :)
23:16 <wrtlprnft> though they're not totally necessary
23:16 <wrtlprnft> you see the numbers
23:16 <wrtlprnft> those red numbers coming out of your tank
23:17 <wrtlprnft> if it's two numbers it did real damage, if it's just one it was just the fall damage
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> what about for long falls?
23:18 <ghableska> buy a parachute?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> here, join my server and let's try it and see.  no game, just see if the riot bombs do that
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> someone connect to my server, anyway :)
23:21 <spidey> i would
23:21 <spidey> but i'm thinking of a layout for this webhosting thing i'ma do
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> quick, no game
23:21 <spidey> and it needs to look "professional" so i'll probably end up taking 3 weeks on it :/
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> then 5 minutes won't hurt you right now
23:22 <spidey> lol
23:22 <spidey> sec
23:27 <wrtlprnft> sec
23:28 <luke-jr_work> lol
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23:43 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:43 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:43 <GodTodd> so, luke, what orders have you for my civilization in your game?
23:43 <wrtlprnft> just for the records: riot bombs DON'T do damage
23:43 <GodTodd> i'm still waiting with bated breath.
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> nope, he's right, riot bombs don't do damage
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> so get parachutes and riot bombs can't hurt you
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> even after 10 shots
23:44 <spidey> well
23:44 <spidey> i built a huge ass wall
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> which is useful to know, because with riot bombs and dirt clods, you can bury yourself and just use lasers
23:45 <spidey> then killed myself instead of shooting a ton of dirt
23:45 <spidey> unless
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> use a teleport if you think someone will hit you with a crater
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> *meteor
23:45 <spidey> someone aims a metoer
23:45 <spidey> :p
23:45 <spidey> thell
23:45 <spidey> a metoer shower
23:45 <spidey> or
23:45 <spidey> apoc. bomb would uncover you
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but then you have a turn to teleport
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> also, about lasers, what I just learned, they fire before people can teleport
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> I hit spidey right when he was teleporting out
23:47 <spidey> r u like the founder of fallin angels?
23:47 <spidey> how do you put avaders up in the space?
23:47 <spidey> do u play soldat?
23:47 <spidey> Wink
23:47 <spidey> ...
23:47 <ghableska> "ghableska killed self with a Dollar Store" 
23:47 <ghableska> ...
23:47 <spidey> lol
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23:55 <Lucifer_arma> surprise, a woman that works at a catholic school is named Mary
23:57 <spidey> NO WAY
23:59 <GodTodd> so, luke, what orders have you for my civilization in your game?
23:59 <GodTodd> so, luke, what orders have you for my civilization in your game?
23:59 <GodTodd> i'm still waiting with bated breath.
23:59 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: ...

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00:00 <luke-jr_work> I haven't conquered you yet :p
00:00 <spidey> hmm
00:00 <spidey> luke-jr_work, 
00:00 <spidey> 1tpd
00:00 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:00 <GodTodd> well...you seem to have a problem with my choices so i need you to tell me what's best
00:00 <spidey> why don't you remind me of this stuff?
00:00 <luke-jr_work> spidey: most people have a problem w/ that
00:00 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: nah, I suck
00:00 <luke-jr_work> just ask spidey 
00:00 <spidey> ??
00:00 <Van-hayes> ask anyone
00:00 <luke-jr_work> spidey: people complain when I remind em
00:01 <GodTodd> then why would you comment on my choices?
00:01 <luke-jr_work> spidey: I update the topic in #freeciv-1tpd sometimes tho
00:01 <spidey> i don't care when people remind me
00:01 <spidey> usually 
00:01 <spidey> i forgot about it anyways
00:01 <spidey> ;x
00:01 <luke-jr_work> I just missed 3 turns too
00:01 <luke-jr_work> :o
00:02 <spidey> i missed everyturn since i started
00:02 <GodTodd> or is it the fact that you are so obviously pussy whipped that you have to find other ways and places to try and exert some control?
00:02 <spidey> LOL
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00:09 <spidey> hm
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00:14 <RickyRoss> hi luke
00:14 <luke-jr_work> hi
00:14 <RickyRoss> did the american server work?
00:14 <luke-jr_work> still waiting on it
00:14 <RickyRoss> kk
00:14 <RickyRoss> its all good
00:15 <luke-jr_work> might email em tonight if I haven't heard from them by then
00:15 <RickyRoss> alright
00:15 <RickyRoss> talk to you later if you need anything talk to legit
00:15 <RickyRoss> and give legit all the info for the server once its done
00:15 <RickyRoss> hes gonna admin it for me
00:15 <RickyRoss> seeya
00:15 <luke-jr_work> ok
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00:27 <Lucifer_arma> #eightball does luke-jr_work (hi there!) suck?
00:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: You know the answer better than I.
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, I do.  Yes, yes, I do.
00:27 <ghableska> haha
00:31 <madmax|pt> gnight
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> hey luke-jr_work (hi there!) , a lady from a Catholic school emailed me.  Her name is Mary!
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00:31 <luke-jr_work> who cares?
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> a lady in my calc class is going to that same catholic school.  Her name is Mary, too!
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> What a coincidence!
00:31 <luke-jr_work> I doubt it's even Catholic
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm sure Mary cares
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> it is
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> St. Edward's University
00:32 <luke-jr_work> irrelevant
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a lutheran school nearby, but I forget its name
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, they think the pope's shit don't stink, that makes them catholic
00:33 <luke-jr_work> if they think there's a Pope, that makes them non-Catholic
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> no.  By definition, that makes them catholic.
00:33 <luke-jr_work> nope
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> yep
00:34 <luke-jr_work> you obviously have no clue what a Catholic is
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> it says in the bible, "Catholics love the pope"
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> right
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> no clue
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> historical precedence and events mean nothing in the mind of a true believer such as yourself
00:34 <luke-jr_work> the opposite
00:34 <luke-jr_work> History completely supports Catholicism
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's been a pope for a very long time, and he's also been the head of the Catholic church
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> *always
00:35 <luke-jr_work> there's a position of Pope
00:35 <luke-jr_work> but that position hasn't been filled for nearly 50 years
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> really?  Who was that john paul guy then?
00:35 <luke-jr_work> Christ has always been the head of the Church
00:35 <luke-jr_work> JP2 was a heretical Conciliarist
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> no, Christ is the object of worship
00:35 <luke-jr_work> no different from Luther or the leaders of other heretical sects
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> by definition he can't be the head of the church.  The church exists to organize the worship and brainwash the children
00:36 <ghableska> O_o
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> big difference.  Luther had a brain
00:36 <luke-jr_work> No, the Church exists for the salvation of mankind
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> and he used it
00:36 <luke-jr_work> ok, so JP2 was worse than Luther
00:36 <luke-jr_work> but they were still both non-Catholic
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he was dumb enough to remain a catholic
00:36 <ghableska> The Church exists for the good of itself :P
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> The Church exists to worship my penis
00:37 <ghableska> good thing I'm not religious
00:37 <luke-jr_work> Christ started the Church as His means to save mankind
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> Christ didn't start the church
00:37 <luke-jr_work> He did
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> he preached and got killed
00:37 <luke-jr_work> that's historical fact
00:37 <spidey> LOL
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> and didn't wipe his ass
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, the only historical fact here is that the bible was written by men
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> with a few exceptions, where women wrote parts
00:37 <luke-jr_work> by Catholics
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> all else is purely speculation
00:38 <luke-jr_work> under the influence of God
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's speculation
00:38 <luke-jr_work> no, it's fact
00:38 <spidey> luke-jr_work, haven't i asked you for solid proof?
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's speculation
00:38 <spidey> besides what's in a bible
00:38 <luke-jr_work> spidey: of?
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, he doesn't have it.
00:38 <spidey> that's been rewritten
00:38 <spidey> a million times
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> all he has is speculation, because he only has the bible
00:38 <spidey> which has been rewritten
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> and at that, he only has the parts of the bible his favorite church didn't censor
00:38 <luke-jr_work> the Bible is only one of many sources of Truth
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's not as reliable a source as my ass
00:39 <spidey> the bible sucks
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00:39 <Lucifer_arma> truth comes out of my ass
00:39 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma sucks
00:39 <spidey> luke-jr_work, you have no proof
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> hey, if I sit and squinch long enough, truth comes out.  It's no different with praying, except you can smell my truth.
00:39 <spidey> do stfu
00:39 <spidey> so*
00:39 <luke-jr_work> spidey: sure I do
00:39 <spidey> !
00:39 <spidey> where
00:40 <spidey> lemme see it
00:40 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: you shit the truth?
00:40 <spidey> pull a bible out
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> hey, don't tell him to stfu when I baited him
00:40 <spidey> i'll shove it up your ass
00:40 <luke-jr_work> spidey: you need to specify what you want proof for
00:40 <spidey> there's a god
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: I shit truth and I piss gold
00:40 <spidey> jesus was really the son of god, and not some fake
00:40 <spidey> do you have hardcore proof?
00:40 <luke-jr_work> spidey: sure
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> hey, jesus' existence is pure speculation anyway
00:40 <spidey> where
00:40 <luke-jr_work> want me to mail you some?
00:40 <spidey> yea, not some article you got offline
00:41  * Lucifer_arma notes luke-jr_work (hi there!) doesn't have any Luciferian turds to mail spidey
00:41 <spidey> lol!
00:41 <luke-jr_work> spidey: the address on your domain real?
00:41 <DrJoeTron> what part of "dont recruit here" do people not understand?
00:41 <spidey> what is it?
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> send him a nail that was carbon-dated to have been made shortly before jesus was born and contains dna samples that show it was used to nail jesus up
00:41 <spidey> yea
00:42 <spidey> we can clone him
00:42 <ghableska> but the earth is only 6000 years old! :P
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> that would be good, independent, verifiable evidence
00:42 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: so?
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm sure carbon has decayed pretty predictably for at least those 6000 years
00:42 <spidey> ghableska, it's flat to
00:42 <spidey> DON'T FALL OFF THHE EDGE!
00:42 <luke-jr_work> spidey: bs
00:42 <ghableska> yeah
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, it was until spidey got one of those big bombs.  Now it's convex.
00:43 <ghableska> haha
00:43 <spidey> LOL
00:43 <luke-jr_work> lol
00:44 <luke-jr_work> spidey: the address on your domain real?
00:44 <spidey> which one?
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> you can email him at spidey@luciferstruth.ass
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'd like a .ass TLD, now that I think of it
00:44 <luke-jr_work> spidey: whois fallin-angels.net
00:45 <luke-jr_work>    Paul Noble
00:45 <luke-jr_work>    2104 W. Antioch Rd.
00:45 <luke-jr_work>    Springville, TN  38256
00:45 <luke-jr_work> that one
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's probably his uncle that lives uptown
00:45 <spidey> yea
00:45 <spidey> it's real
00:45 <ghableska> the porno uncle?
00:45 <luke-jr_work> ok, so you want me to mail you proof?
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> I guess.  The one that comes over and gives him pot
00:46 <spidey> if you mail me some bullshit 
00:46 <spidey> you better hope you don't put a return address
00:46 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:46 <ghableska> lol
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, it has to be proof that he can verify through other sources not affiliated with any church
00:46 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: that's ridiculous to expect, seeing that any source w/ the proof wouldn't be foolish enough to remain outside the Church
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> so any statements referenced in any written documentation, for example, he should be able to call the person who said it and get their verification
00:47 <spidey> fuck that
00:47 <spidey> i don't want there word
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: why not?  Maybe they have more than half a brain?
00:47 <spidey> or anyone elses
00:47 <spidey> i want hardcore facts
00:47 <spidey> that ARE proven with science
00:47 <spidey> or some other means
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, hardcore facts are going to be known by researchers.  Priests and other such folk aren't trained in research, they're trained in public speaking and jesus loving
00:48 <luke-jr_work> spidey: yeah, but you need to take a scientist's word that it's real science
00:48 <luke-jr_work> duh
00:48 <spidey> yea
00:48 <spidey> and i want there phone number
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's what "independently verifiable" is all about
00:48 <spidey> so i can call them and ask
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't have to take one person's word at all, he can call up 5000 people and ask them
00:48 <Van-hayes> well isnt faith believing in something that you cant prove?
00:48 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: no
00:48 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: that's blind faith
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> 5000 people with real credentials and work to back up their word.  And *then* he can way it against his own feeling and thoughts
00:49 <Van-hayes> what is faith then
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> *weigh
00:49 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: belief in something in general
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's what science is all about.  It's the most critical part of the scientific method.
00:49 <Van-hayes> #dict faith
00:49 <spidey> faith is something for people who can't live with the fact life is nothing more than 80-90 years of life
00:49 <armabot> Van-hayes: devils, gazetteer, gcide, easton, wn, bouvier, moby-thes, and gaz-place responded: gcide: Faith \Faith\, interj. By my faith; in truth; verily. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Fecks \Fecks\, n. A corruption of the word {faith}. --Shak. [1913 Webster] feculae; devils: FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel; bouvier: (31 more messages)
00:49 <ghableska> I believe in Lucifer_arma's ass; is that faith?
00:49 <spidey> then death
00:49 <spidey> that there is no real meaning
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> no, I have a real ass
00:49 <Van-hayes> ha
00:49 <ghableska> :)
00:49 <luke-jr_work> spidey: that's nonsense made up by anarchists
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but if you believe that truth comes out of it, like I say it does, then *that* would be faith
00:50 <Van-hayes> luke-jr_work: looks like you are wrong 
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> I do really piss gold, though.  early in the morning
00:50 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: looks like your definition has been appended recently
00:50 <spidey> drink more water
00:50 <spidey> then you'll piss crystal
00:50 <spidey> ;x
00:51 <luke-jr_work> "synonym see BELIEF"
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> #dict belief
00:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: belief n 1: any cognitive content held as true [ant: {unbelief}] 2: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying" [syn: {impression}, {feeling}, {notion}, {opinion}]; moby-thes: (9 more messages)
00:51 <spidey> luke-jr_work, i have a belief that one day, ONE DAY 
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> I will blow out a fart that only catholics can smell?
00:52 <spidey> luke's christian
00:52 <spidey> so no
00:52 <GodTodd> i have a belief that luke is a pussy whipped, jesus freak wuss
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> 2: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; 
00:52 <Van-hayes> well faith has always meant,to me, a belief in what can not be proven. 
00:52 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: that's the protest-ant's doing
00:52 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:52 <GodTodd> and, whaddayaknow, it's the One Truth too ;)
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> to me, faith is something english teachers talk about when you read shakespeare
00:53 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: just like how they redefined 'worship' etc
00:53 <Van-hayes> #dict worship
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00:53 <armabot> Van-hayes: devils, gcide, easton, wn, bouvier, and moby-thes responded: bouvier: WORSHIP, Eng. law. A title or addition given to certain persons. 2 Inst. 666; Bac. Ab. Misnomer, A 2; devils: WORSHIP, n. Homo Creator's testimony to the sound construction and fine finish of Deus Creatus. A popular form of abjection, having an element of pride; easton: Worship homage rendered to God which it is sinful (13 more messages)
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> worship and warship sound the same for a reason
00:53 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd this is why I let you have your way with me :3
00:53 <spidey> HOMO
00:53 <luke-jr_work> #more
00:53 <armabot> luke-jr_work: doesn't make any sense, [23:49:41] <spidey> it looks fine to me, [23:49:30] <spidey> ???, [23:49:02] <Lucifer_arma> can anybody translate that page for me?  I don't think it was written in english..., [23:48:52] <Lucifer_arma> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&engine=2&dockey=xml/0/6/06ae9a4f37d1279fb158a9c99481a317@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=, [23:48:35] <spidey> you still (13 more messages)
00:53 <Van-hayes> luke-jr_work: uh want to give me your defintion of worship, then theirs?
00:53 <luke-jr_work> #more Van-hayes 
00:53 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (idolatry) to render to any created being (Ex. 34:14; Isa. 2:8). Such worship was refused by Peter (Acts 10:25,26) and by an angel (Rev. 22:8,9); bouvier: WORSHIP. The honor and homage rendered to the Creator. 2. In the United States, this is free, every one being at liberty to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience. Vide Christianity; Religious test; gcide: Worship \Wor"ship\, v. i. To (12 more messages)
00:54 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: cuz i'm coo like dat? ;)
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> 2. In the United States, this is free, every one being at liberty to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience.
00:54 <Van-hayes> sounds good in theory
00:54 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: 2 : to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion
00:54 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd cuz u is kicken rad! ;)
00:54 <luke-jr_work> protest-ants redefine it to: 1 : to honor or reverence as a divine being
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> worship (from Lucifer's dictionary): kissing someone's ass, whether they exist or not, and thereby debasing yourself and absolving yourself of all credibility and independence
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00:55 <spidey> luke-jr_work, the devil is god and god is the devil, the church was brought so you would worship god who is really the devil ;x
00:55 <spidey> so
00:56 <spidey> you're going to hell
00:56 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: for example, it is good to worship Mary, St. Joseph, etc
00:56 <spidey> who's mary?
00:56 <Van-hayes> never met them
00:56 <luke-jr_work> the Mother of God
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> even though the first three commandments condemn you to destruction for that
00:56 <ghableska> haha
00:56 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: they don't
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> Mary's the woman at the catholic school I mentiooned
00:56 <Van-hayes> why would I worship someone Ive never even met?
00:56 <spidey> god doesn't have a mother though
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> they do
00:56 <luke-jr_work> spidey: yes He does
00:56 <spidey> so there's a goddess?
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> catholics are idol-worshippers
00:56 <luke-jr_work> spidey: no, His mother isn't divine
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's why Luther left the church.  He realized it was possessed by the devil
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> luke says it's only the last 50 years, but he doesn't really know
00:57 <luke-jr_work> no, he was just pissed
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> he was *right*
00:57 <luke-jr_work> Luther advised his own mother not to leave the Church
00:57 <spidey> he does't like her
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> because he didn't want her to be burnt at the cross
00:57 <luke-jr_work> nonsense
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> he knew his genocidal contemporaries better than you ever will
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> he also knew the power of the church
00:58 <spidey> what, kill anything that stands against them?
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> he took his own life into his own hands because of what he believed, an action we normally associate with Jesus being a good guy
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> but when Luther does it, he's evil?
00:58  * Lucifer_arma was obviously raised a Lutheran :)
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00:59 <Lucifer_arma> I was excommunicated when I joined the Church of Lex Luther
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00:59 <luke-jr_work> "No, remain a Catholic, for I will neither
00:59 <luke-jr_work> deceive nor betray my mother." -Martin Luther
01:00  * Lucifer_arma notes he didn't "leave" the church, he was excommunicated for seeking reform
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> reforms that would have upset the power of the church
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> roughly equivalent to glasnost and that other thing gorbie did
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01:01 <ghableska> hi mom
01:01 <Your_mom_arma> hi
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> hi mom
01:01 <luke-jr_work> he was excommunicated for heresy and denial of proper authority
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen n54
01:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ~sonofsatan54~ has last been seen on ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} 24 minutes ago.
01:01 <ghableska> lol
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> #seen n54
01:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 26 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 12 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
01:01 <GodTodd> wasn't galileo excommunicated too?
01:01 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
01:01 <ghableska> heh
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think so, but he was definitely put under house arrest for daring to suggest the earth might not be flat
01:02 <GodTodd> no...he was
01:02 <GodTodd> he was recently issued an apology by the catholic church
01:02 <luke-jr_work> Galileo was punished for his crimes
01:02 <luke-jr_work> not by the Catholic Church
01:02 <luke-jr_work> apology not by...*
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> his crimes?  how are his crimes different than yours?
01:02 <luke-jr_work> what crimes?
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> his crime was questioning the church
01:02 <luke-jr_work> no
01:02 <luke-jr_work> His crime was heresy and denying doctrine
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> the very same crime you commit when you say the catholic church isn't catholic and the pope is possessed by the devil
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> but he was *right*
01:03 <luke-jr_work> No he wans't
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> and he had evidence to show
01:03 <luke-jr_work> still isn't
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> still is
01:03 <Your_mom_arma> luke thinks the pope is possessed?
01:03 <luke-jr_work> and I don't commit a crime by condemning heretics and non-Catholics
01:03 <Van-hayes> uh, so the earth doesnt revolve around the sun?
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> not in luke's world
01:03 <luke-jr_work> fact is, there hasn't been a Pope since 1958
01:03 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: no, the Sun revolves around the Earth
01:03 <Van-hayes> cool
01:04 <Your_mom_arma> luke?
01:04 <Van-hayes> good to know
01:04 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: and neither position can be proved by science, because science is within the same realm
01:04 <GodTodd> oooh...even better 
01:04 <GodTodd> http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,230447,00.html
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, sure it can
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> at this point, it's all about observation
01:04 <Van-hayes> you should get the word out luke-jr_work people need to know this
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> we've actually observed this stuff now
01:04 <GodTodd> even the pope knew they done fucked up
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> galileo only computed it
01:04 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: you can't observe it from within
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> newton showed why
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, good thing we've sent people up there to look
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> and numerous satellites and probes
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> so wait luke thinks the current pope is possessed and all the popes in the last 50 years where fakes?
01:05 <luke-jr_work> you'd need to exit the realm of gravity to observe it
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, there was only one, john paul
01:05 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: no, there just hasn't been a pope for nearly 50 years
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> you can't exit the realm of gravity, but it doesn't matter
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> umm
01:05 <GodTodd> define pope, luke
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
01:05 <luke-jr_work> John XXIII, Paul 6, JP 1 & 2, and Benedict are non-Catholic antipopes
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> what?
01:05 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: Vicar of Christ, visible head of the Catholic Churhc
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> jeez, galileo never questioned the church, just something they taught
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> if he got house arrest, what should luke get?
01:06 <GodTodd> ok...no one more visible than john paul was ;)
01:06 <luke-jr_work> a non-Catholic, not being a member of the Church, cannot hold a position within it
01:06 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: but JP2 wasn't a Catholic
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> who is the pope?
01:06  * Lucifer_arma suspects luke would only approve of himself being the pope
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I cn be the pope :)
01:06 <luke-jr_work> Pope Gregory XVII was the last Pope
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> can I, can I?
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> so no pope?
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> how can you tell they arn't catholic? is it the way they walk?
01:07 <GodTodd> he was voted leader...so the college of cardinals thought he was....are you more catholic than they that follow what has been passed down for 2000 years?
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> my, these are dark times we live in
01:07 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: you're not Catholic
01:07 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: they deny Catholic doctrine
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> I can become a catholic
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> all I hve to do is take jesus up the ass, right?
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> I can do that.  I take DrJoeTron (hi there!) all the time!
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> luke provide examples
01:07 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: You need to believe and live by all the doctrines of the Church
01:07 <GodTodd> heh....afaik...if they have the silly hat they're pope
01:07 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: JP2 said Jews can go to Heaven
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> really?  even the doctrine to judge not lest ye be judged yourself?
01:07 <luke-jr_work> he also said Hell was empty, implicitly at least
01:08 <GodTodd> it is...til you get there
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe the jews can still go to heaven.
01:08 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: I'm not doing the judging, just determining God's judgment
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> so only jews go to hell in your opinion?
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> you can't determine God's judgement
01:08 <luke-jr_work> There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church
01:08 <luke-jr_work> that is a dogma
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> to do so would require you to know the will of god, which by definition is heretical
01:08 <Van-hayes> what if its the other way around, wont you look like an idiot
01:08 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: nope
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> yep
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> show me one passage in the bible that says something to the effect of "man can know what god's thinking"
01:09 <luke-jr_work> Man can know what God reveals about Himself
01:09 <luke-jr_work> that's the point of revealing it
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, you probably know of one.  So count all the occurences of those phrases and compare them to the occurences of "man can't know what god's thinking"
01:09 <luke-jr_work> thinking != actions
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> luke show me something saying non catholics cant go to heaven
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> last time I read the bible, I got the distinct impression that god would make his own mind up on judgement day, and that the only way man can be sure to be judged right is to kiss his big white hairy ass and beg for forgiveness
01:10 <|Sticky|> however god can still judge people against a set of rules she may or may not chose to reveal
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, god has changed the rules before
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> apparently it wasn't because he made any mistakes, because he's perfect
01:11 <Your_mom_arma> im still waiting for luke to explain how the current pope is possessed
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, the current pope *is* trying to undo all the reforms the catholic church has had since 1958
01:12 <GodTodd> his silence usually means he can't ;)
01:12 <ghableska> possessed? 
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd imagine luke would like that
01:12 <Your_mom_arma> thats what i said ghab
01:12 <|Sticky|> well judgement day was from revelations which was widly critisised for even being included in the bible and many versions dont include genesis since there is even doubt about its origins
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> did anybody tell him JP2 died?  does he even know that?
01:12 <ghableska> by the devil?
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but satan
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> me, no less
01:13 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: but that might mean changing the stance on reincarnation too ;)
01:13 <Your_mom_arma> thats the conclusion i jumped to ghab
01:13 <ghableska> congrats Lucifer_arma :)
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> why I'd waste my time with him is quite beyond my capacity to figure out
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, the catholic church can self-destruct whether or not I get involved
01:13 <|Sticky|> read Dawkins...God Delusion...absolutly fantastic book
01:13 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma I'm sorry but drew came up with a better name
01:13 <DrJoeTron> title*
01:14 <Your_mom_arma> haha fair enough
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> Master of the Pope's Anus?
01:14 <GodTodd> shortened to "Luke"
01:14 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: 
01:14 <luke-jr_work>       There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved. (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.) 
01:14 <luke-jr_work>        We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> would the SA people ban you for that?
01:14 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: he isn't possessed, he's just non-Catholic
01:14 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2224681&pagenumber=4#post319703605
01:14 <luke-jr_work> actually, maybe he is possessed, I don't know
01:14 <GodTodd> We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
01:14 <GodTodd> We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
01:14 <GodTodd> that means "trust your pope"
01:14 <DrJoeTron> "My girlfriend likes it when I use Stone Hands."
01:15 <GodTodd> dumbass
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> that only applies to human creatures
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> does it apply to our clones?
01:15 <DrJoeTron> clones don't have souls
01:15 <Van-hayes> why not?
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> wait, didn't they still use leeches in those days?
01:15 <DrJoeTron> according to VB they dont
01:15 <Your_mom_arma> so luke do you personally believe that people with learning disabilities or people whom the catholic church have never seen go to hell?
01:15 <GodTodd> questioning the leader in Rome is not being "subject to the Roman Pontiff" which means luke gets no salvation
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's how I read it, GodTodd (hi there!) 
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> so I guess he's fucked
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> can't live with them, can't go to heaven without him
01:16 <GodTodd> that means i get to torment him forever?
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> shit
01:16 <GodTodd> w00t :)
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> that means we'll see him in hell
01:16 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: The former case, people without the use of reason cannot deny Catholicism
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> we gotta get him to love the pope somehow
01:16 <|Sticky|> yes the Assumption of Mary is a great example of the popes wonderful thinking
01:16 <GodTodd> no...that means *he'll* see *us* ;)
01:16 <luke-jr_work> so as long as they are validly Baptised, they are Catholic
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've long maintained that only christians suffer in hell
01:17 <GodTodd> i was baptised
01:17 <Van-hayes> I wasnt
01:17 <Your_mom_arma> tluke the latter?
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> I hear ass-rape against christians is legal down there
01:17 <GodTodd> haha
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> I was too.  :(  Circumcised even
01:17 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: the latter is a more complicated topic
01:17 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: yah...me too
01:17 <|Sticky|> so was I but I grew up and realised its all superstition
01:17 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: ouch
01:17 <Van-hayes> I feel kind of bad too cuase my older sister was but I wasnt
01:17 <GodTodd> so i'm christian and jewish
01:17 <Your_mom_arma> native americans go strait to limbo luke?
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> your sister was circumcised?
01:17 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: non-Catholic ones
01:17  * ghableska is glad he's an atheist
01:17 <Van-hayes> baptised
01:17 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: that happens in some countries
01:17  * GodTodd is not an atheist.
01:18  * Van-hayes isnt either
01:18  * GodTodd follows one of the many true religions.
01:18  * Lucifer_arma worships the turds that comes out of his ass
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a Turdist
01:18 <Your_mom_arma> gross
01:18 <|Sticky|> no i belive jesus said the only way to heaven is through me so jews, native americans and muslims all go to hell
01:18 <ghableska> although Turdism sounds pretty appealing
01:18 <Van-hayes> wasnt jesus muslim?
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> it is, you should try it some time
01:18 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: And He also started His Church as the only means for it
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, jesus was a jew
01:18 <GodTodd> jesus was jewish
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> like Luther, he tried to reform the church
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't start a church, he just tried to reform the one that was there
01:18 <Van-hayes> I thought he was born in the middle east
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> all else since then was done by humans
01:19 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: do Turdists fear the coming of the great white toilet paper?
01:19 <Van-hayes> heh
01:19 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: Israel is in the middle east in case you didn't notice
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> not at all!
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> see, that's the greatest myth!
01:19 <DrJoeTron> Whats the deal with Cat heaven?
01:19 <ghableska> I knew it!
01:19 <Van-hayes> isreal was created less than 70 years ago if you didnt know
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> there's no dogs there?
01:19 <DrJoeTron> Will my kitty go there?
01:19 <luke-jr_work> animals don't have spiritual souls, nor do dogs
01:19 <luke-jr_work> when they die, they rot
01:19 <Your_mom_arma> luke says animals dont have souls
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> no, they get eaten
01:19 <Van-hayes> so what will you eat in heaven?
01:19 <DrJoeTron> my cat does D:
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> if not by you or me, by something else
01:19 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: not spiritual souls, no
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: soul != brain
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> cats have brains, not souls
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> that's why they're such good company :)
01:20 <DrJoeTron> my cat has a sould D:
01:20 <luke-jr_work> technically, brains can be considered soul
01:20 <DrJoeTron> don't say that
01:20 <Your_mom_arma> luke do you believe in dinosaurs?
01:20 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: sure
01:20 <DrJoeTron> dinosaurs with hats?
01:20 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: they're nearly extinct, but they're still real
01:20 <Your_mom_arma> nearly?
01:20 <luke-jr_work> well, supposedly there's still a few alive
01:20 <DrJoeTron> comodo dragons don't count
01:21 <GodTodd> yeah....from 6000 years ago
01:21 <ghableska> o.0
01:21 <luke-jr_work> Loch Ness, etc
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> aren't dinosaurs big enough to be seen by satellite?
01:21 <luke-jr_work> maybe they've died off, I dunno
01:21 <Your_mom_arma> aw come on
01:21 <ghableska> luke-jr_work: if the earth is 6000 years old, when did humans come in?
01:21 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: -4000 BC
01:21 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: ask your bible ;)
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> somewhere near the beginning
01:21 <luke-jr_work> err
01:21 <luke-jr_work> 4000 BC*
01:21 <Your_mom_arma> you believe in a giant lizerd in a lake?
01:21 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
01:21 <DrJoeTron> OH GOD
01:21 <DrJoeTron> wait no
01:21 <DrJoeTron> 1995
01:22 <luke-jr_work> ...
01:22 <DrJoeTron> think about it
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> does the sun revolve around the giant lizard in the lake?
01:22 <DrJoeTron> jurassic park?
01:22 <|Sticky|> do you belive in evolution??
01:22 <luke-jr_work> evolution is heresy disproven by science
01:22 <GodTodd> i do...luke is just a step behind ;)
01:22 <|Sticky|> holy crap i hope you arnt serious
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, I intend to keep evolving while luke keeps believing
01:22 <ghableska> >_>
01:22 <Your_mom_arma> poor DrJoeTron ... jurassic park was a documentary its events happened in real time
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> |Sticky|: he is :)
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's why we bait him so much :)
01:22 <luke-jr_work> evolutionism is just another false religion now
01:23 <|Sticky|> DISPROVEN???
01:23 <luke-jr_work> albeit the most popular one
01:23 <|Sticky|> WHEN
01:23 <DrJoeTron> :(
01:23 <DrJoeTron> NEEEDRY!!!!!!!!!
01:23 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: many times
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> didn't you hear about intelligent design?
01:23 <|Sticky|> I have read creationist material its all based upon terrible understanding of physics biology and misquoting of real scientists
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's the first scientific theory ever to be supported with the might of the american military
01:23 <DrJoeTron> what about the flying spaghetti monster?
01:23 <DrJoeTron> and besides guys
01:24 <DrJoeTron> HAIL XENU
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> ack
01:24 <ghableska> hahahahah
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> not that xenu crap!
01:24 <DrJoeTron> :)
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> dude, I still have engrams!
01:24 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: evolutionism is still disproven, regardless of whether creation is
01:24 <|Sticky|> evolution!=a religion.  evolution has proof.  religon has none
01:24 <Your_mom_arma> luke is the moon real?
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> er
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> evidence
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> there's no such thing as "proof" in science
01:25 <Your_mom_arma> is mars real?
01:25 <luke-jr_work> evolutionism is a religion based on blind faith and disproven scientific theories
01:25 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma yes. and it is infact made of cheese
01:25 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: yes
01:25 <|Sticky|> no...evolution is an incomplete theory not disproven
01:25 <Your_mom_arma> but other solar systems arnt real?
01:25 <luke-jr_work> heck, the moon was used in at least one disproving of evolutionism
01:25 <ghableska> ...
01:25 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: I don't know if they are or not
01:25 <|Sticky|> addition such as punctuated equalibium have been added but the core of the theory still holds
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> why?  they found human fossils on the moon?
01:25 <luke-jr_work> the nearest is over 6000 lightyears away, isn't it?
01:25 <DrJoeTron> what about that tiny human they found a few years back?
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> the pygmies?
01:26 <DrJoeTron> I think so
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> luke are they real?
01:26 <|Sticky|> luke are you american??
01:26 <luke-jr_work> what?
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> pygmies
01:26 <luke-jr_work> never heard of them
01:27 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy
01:27 <ghableska> |Sticky|: duh :P
01:27 <DrJoeTron> thats what it was! thanks Your_mom_arma 
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> he's american all right
01:27 <DrJoeTron> AMERIKKKA
01:27 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: shrug
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> but in america, we tolerate all god-fearing christians
01:28 <DrJoeTron> or the real american way is the A is silent
01:28 <|Sticky|> ive only ever heard americans talk about evolution with such ignorance
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> but that's it
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> do they have souls if they are real?
01:28 <DrJoeTron> 'Merica
01:28 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: if they're human
01:28 <DrJoeTron> MY CAT HAS A SOUL d:
01:28 <DrJoeTron> D;
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> well then dont want to catagorize them as homosapiens
01:28 <DrJoeTron> wait it doesnt matter
01:28 <luke-jr_work> you're all in a sad state of brainwashing
01:28 <DrJoeTron> because my cat is going to live forever
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> luckily for luke, he owes the freedom to hold his views without being cruelly tortured and murdered to the protestants that founded this country
01:29  * Lucifer_arma brainwashed himself
01:29 <ghableska> luke-jr_work: define "brainwashing"
01:29 <Your_mom_arma> luke does that make them not humans?
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> isn't it what happens when you get shampoo in your ear?
01:29 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: taught lies with such insistence you believe them
01:29 <|Sticky|> luke...brainwashed...i take it you were brought up a catholic, baptised and attended ceromonies since you were young right???
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I wasn't taught the lies I know.  I had to come up with them on my own.
01:29 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: man can err in categorizing species
01:29 <ghableska> that's religion
01:29 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: no
01:30 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: I converted a year or 2 ago
01:30 <|Sticky|> realy so you made a choice late in life?
01:30 <|Sticky|> what age?
01:30 <DrJoeTron> 47
01:30 <luke-jr_work> 19 I think
01:30 <DrJoeTron> :)
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> he's still a kid :)
01:30 <ghableska> heh
01:30 <Van-hayes> luke-jr: are you one of those born again christians?
01:30 <DrJoeTron> oh god thats right
01:30 <DrJoeTron> ewwwww
01:30 <DrJoeTron> EWWWWW
01:30 <|Sticky|> what prompted the converion?
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> he's worse, he's a born again catholic
01:30 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: There's only one kind of Christian
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> I never knew there was such a thing until I met him
01:30 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: facts, evidence, etc
01:30 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:30 <DrJoeTron> I love when irc is bumping with life
01:30 <|Sticky|> lol
01:31 <DrJoeTron> and its always the same conversations
01:31 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: me too,
01:31 <Your_mom_arma> joe it only bumps to life when we dicuss religion and politics
01:31 <DrJoeTron> yea!
01:31 <DrJoeTron> or to argue with luke-jr 
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, when we talk about arma this place dies
01:31 <DrJoeTron> which goes hand in hand
01:31 <Your_mom_arma> yanks suck mets suck nicks suck
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the easiest way to kill this place is to mention arma
01:31 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: too many arma people missing here
01:31 <DrJoeTron> krypton sucks
01:31 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> ummmmm
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> the room is full of arma people
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> I think GodTodd (hi there!) 's the only one here who's not really arma
01:32 <luke-jr_work> nemo, z-man, ph are never really here
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> who do you think [dlh] is?
01:32 <luke-jr_work> he's never really here
01:32 <DrJoeTron> dinosaurs like hats?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> and I was chatting with zman earlier
01:32 <luke-jr_work> maybe once or twice a week
01:32 <Your_mom_arma> im a developer for the game and so is luci we count for something
01:32 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: never said you didn't
01:33 <|Sticky|> luke seriously you have been fed some realy bad lies about evolution
01:33 <DrJoeTron> Im a cuddly little rascal
01:33 <DrJoeTron> I count
01:33 <luke-jr_work> I said there were too many missing, not a lack of people present
01:33 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: nope
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> I don't count, unless I have an antiderivative
01:33 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: take the moon. It's too close for life to have evolved on Earth
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> I am the Integrator!  I will integrate you!
01:34  * luke-jr_work probably did a crappy job summarizing that proof, but oh well
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, the moon is generally considered an important part of evolution
01:34 <|Sticky|> why is it too close??
01:34 <DrJoeTron> Im here to convince you to put resource sucking programs on your pc
01:34 <ghableska> wtf
01:34  * DrJoeTron hugs desktop earth
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:34 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: that would be details I'd need to look up :)
01:34 <luke-jr_work> when I get home
01:34 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: somewhere else, please
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> luci you stil believe in high tide
01:34 <luke-jr_work> and mail spidey's proof
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, because it makes the oceans kind of swish around
01:34 <|Sticky|> moths evolved to use the moon as a guideance system
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> thats never been proven
01:35 <DrJoeTron> don't be a prude ghableska 
01:35 <Your_mom_arma> right luke?
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I've only seen the ocean once, and I'm not even sure it wasn't just a big lake
01:35 <ghableska> it's for luke-jr :P
01:35 <DrJoeTron> look guys
01:35 <DrJoeTron> God is love
01:35 <DrJoeTron> love is blind
01:35 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: pretty sure it has, but I could be wrong there
01:35 <DrJoeTron> stevie wonder is blind
01:35 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: God is also Holy
01:35 <DrJoeTron> stevie wonder is god
01:35 <DrJoeTron> God exsists
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> so I don't know that I believe in the ocean
01:35 <Your_mom_arma> luke do you believe in the ocean?
01:35 <luke-jr_work> sure
01:36 <Van-hayes> man, I see the ocean all the time, and there is such thing as high tide, it comes right after low tide
01:36  * ghableska feels like bringing up the link with the arguments for god's existence again
01:36 <luke-jr_work> used to swim in it :(
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> that would require the moon, though
01:36 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster
01:36 <Your_mom_arma> well why dont you believe in evolution?
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> and wouldn't that tend to mix up the chemicals and shit in the ocean?
01:36 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: it's fiction
01:36  * luke-jr_work wants to go home
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> you know, increase the possibility that certain substances would mix to create a self-replicating molecule?
01:37 <Van-hayes> if you leave, we win the arguement
01:37 -!- Van-hayes is now known as Vanhayes
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm.......
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> you need to reverse that
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> unless you want him to stay
01:37 <DrJoeTron> haha Vanhayes 
01:37 <luke-jr_work> dinner's ready in 15 min
01:37 <luke-jr_work> drive home is 20 min
01:37 <luke-jr_work> I'm gone
01:37 <luke-jr_work> ttyl
01:37  * ghableska celebrates
01:37 <luke-jr_work> and lack of a defense only is a win in court, not in reality
01:37 <Vanhayes> so your immortal soul is worth a wednesday night dinner?
01:38 <luke-jr_work> bye
01:38 <DrJoeTron> Logic 4 luke-jr -3
01:38  * Lucifer_arma doesn't celebrate, ttyl means "talk to you later"
01:38 <ghableska> hmmm
01:38 <ghableska> good point
01:38 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
01:38  * GodTodd goes to take a trig final which he isn't worried about since in the grand scheme of things he's going to hell anyway ;)
01:38 <DrJoeTron> my cat is going to heaven right guys?
01:38 <DrJoeTron> guys?
01:38 <DrJoeTron> :(
01:38 <ghableska> right
01:38 <GodTodd> joe: is it as much of a whore as you?
01:38 <GodTodd> if so, no
01:38 <GodTodd> :P
01:39 <DrJoeTron> :/
01:39 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr check the link i just posted
01:39 <GodTodd> god's a dog person :D
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> I eat god
01:39 <GodTodd> anyways....send all my love to luke if/when he comes back ;)
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also dysxicl
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> +e
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: do you want your cat to go to heaven?
01:40 <DrJoeTron> I want my cat to live forever :(
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, then you probably don't want him to go to heaven
01:40 <DrJoeTron> NO :(
01:41 <DrJoeTron> because he won't ever die :(
01:41 <DrJoeTron> right guys?
01:41 <Your_mom_arma> i dont know how to feel about that pirate article in joes link
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> heaven's just a big concentration camp, setup to destroy the faithful and punish them for their sins
01:41 <DrJoeTron> brb
01:41 <Your_mom_arma> apperently fewer pirates cause global warming
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> what pirate article?
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, the pastafarians
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> I forgot about the pirate doctrine
01:42 <Your_mom_arma> "Henderson put forth the argument that "global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of pirates since the 1800s.""
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, I'd intended to work on my pirate game, but luke took the bait this time and I had to stick around and try to create more chaos
01:43 <Your_mom_arma> so its just a mod to freeciv?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> my pirate game?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> no, I intend to write it from the ground up
01:44 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
01:44 <Your_mom_arma> oh
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> right now it's just a server that almost accepts a login
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> and a client that almost logs in
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> I decided to write the network layer first :)
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, now I have to work on dinner.  Unlike luke, I don't have an obedient and submissive wife to cook my meals for me.  Which is good, because my wife can't cook for shit.
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01:58 <Lucifer_arma> According to the author, he plans to use the proceeds from the sale of the book to build a pirate ship, with which he may travel the world in order to convert heathens to the Pastafarian religion
01:59 <DrJoeTron> ko
02:00 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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02:04 <DrJoeTron> hooray for thread shitting! http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121151&sid=182549e538214394c1d97425c9f5a59d#121151
02:07 <Your_mom_arma> can you not say bitching on the forums or did he just mistype it
02:08 <Your_mom_arma> im suprised alex is getting so pissed off about it seeing as how i've seen him be generaly disrespectful to both new players and veteran players
02:08 <DrJoeTron> should we post crap in it?
02:08 <DrJoeTron> seeing as its a crap thread and all
02:09 <Your_mom_arma> i've stopped visiting the arma forums, most of the posts are just rediculus
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02:09 <DrJoeTron> its time to change that, rather than ignore it
02:10 <DrJoeTron> http://67.37.179.152/imkool.gif this will suit just fine
02:10 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:10 <Your_mom_arma> i dont see how you would change it
02:12 <DrJoeTron> well I cant
02:12 <DrJoeTron> thats I say we get some actual mods
02:13 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121171#121171 done and done :)
02:14 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:14 <ghableska> :P
02:14 <Your_mom_arma> luci did the anti spammer software on the wiki stop working?
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, spam overall is just increasing
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> seems like every post is spam or tournament stuff
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> my email provider even had to revamp their spam protection
02:15 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:15 <DrJoeTron> come on
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> sure could use internet 2.0 about now
02:15 <DrJoeTron> maybe tank will let us be mods :)
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:15 <DrJoeTron> I mean look what its turning into
02:16 <DrJoeTron> its alwyas "I THINK DIS GUY IS GUY"
02:16 <DrJoeTron> GAy*
02:16 <Your_mom_arma> joe i think we're last resort material
02:16 <DrJoeTron> NO I NOT U DON EVEN NO HOW GHEY IS
02:16 <Your_mom_arma> so luci is it all 2d?
02:16 <DrJoeTron> I mean technically I'm a mog
02:16 <DrJoeTron> mod*
02:16 <DrJoeTron> but only for the lobster cage thread
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> is what all 2d?
02:17 <Your_mom_arma> the game your working on
02:17 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma get that rom working :)
02:17 <Your_mom_arma> we need to find an arma player who's a sprite designer/artist
02:17  * DrJoeTron *
02:18 <Your_mom_arma> did you try civ yet?
02:18 <DrJoeTron> Ive seen it played
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it'll probably be 2d.  The fundamental concepts are 2 dimensional, so 3d would just be for realism
02:18 <DrJoeTron> hmmm that reminds me
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> and 3d would probably quadruple development time :)
02:19 <Your_mom_arma> joe think you could put some polish(or wood filler) on the civ units we put up?
02:19 <DrJoeTron> http://www.flyinglab.com/pirates/beta.php 
02:20 <DrJoeTron> Ill give it my best
02:20 <DrJoeTron> I used to work with sprites alot
02:20 <DrJoeTron> and not just recoloring crap
02:21 <DrJoeTron> http://www.flyinglab.com/pirates/index.php ***
02:21 <Your_mom_arma> game sounds interesting
02:21 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to try and get an invite from a goon
02:22 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: Logic is on my side, dummy
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> only after you redefine it
02:24 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to be able to control the ship, give directions to gunners(ai/players), be a gunner, let another player sail the ship while you micromanage ai(you 9 bots man the cannons that bot i hate you go clean the ship so we dont get gangreen)
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking about introducing some RPG aspects
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> where your pirate crew has a set of stats, including their firing ability, loyalty, and so forth
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> so you wouldn't get to fire the cannons in that case, but you would get to order targets and even assign targets to each cannon
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> but the actual firing is done by the crewman, who has a rating that determines how good he is at it
02:26 <DrJoeTron> god damn
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> then I'd do a critical hit system, like we used to do back when we played devil-worshipping AD&D, where if you roll a natural 20, you get a nasty hit, ot just a hit
02:26 <DrJoeTron> #m guru3 the boards are going down the toilet :/
02:26 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The operation succeeded.
02:27 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to see players be able to be able to team up and have one ship
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> oh you just wait.  I ran into one of those DWH guys earlier and told him to go post on the forums
02:27 <Your_mom_arma> then as you progress split up so you have admirals and captains
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> I like players teaming up, not sure if I like having one ship between more than one player
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking players would have to declare their alliances at the beginning of combat, or when they enter combat if they interupt an already-in-progress battle
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> well say you me and joe have x money and need a boat to sail to x city, put our money together have luci sail while me and joe run around on the boat
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> so if you and I go in together against the spanish fleet, I can take a treasure ship and then turn on you and kill you and take all the gold :)
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, maybe you should check out how pirates worked historically :)
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't buy ships, really
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'd like something where your crew can be on the ship, now that you metnion it
02:29 <Your_mom_arma> im not saying it would be historically accurate more like a parrallel world
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> a scenario I came up with that I'd like to support involves a pirate attack where we all ram our ships against the other ships, then board
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> what happens when you have less sailable ships than players?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> there, now http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121171#121171 the magic begins
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> I guess to support that scenario, what you're wanting comes with it
02:30 <Your_mom_arma> most pirates split the gold up amongst the crew taking only a slightly larger portion then what any lesser individual takes
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> even back in the day
02:31 <DrJoeTron> let me see if I have civ installed
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02:31 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma, Your_mom_arma I expect you all to draw some cool pictures
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:31 <DrJoeTron> :/ its the rules
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> later
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> :)
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> I really need to get dinner going, I still haven't done that
02:34 <DrJoeTron> you know what
02:34 <DrJoeTron> I think for all shit threads
02:34 <DrJoeTron> I'm just going to write my response in mspaint
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> in the parrallel world i imagine pirates are more like bushido
02:41 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:41 <DrJoeTron> oh fuck
02:41 <DrJoeTron> 200gb hard drive for 54 bucks
02:41 <DrJoeTron> 2mb cache but still
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> and i'ld imagine the game would be like a mix of the newer battlefield games, secret of mana, and some generic rpg/rts based game mechanics
02:41 <DrJoeTron> if its for music stoarge its perfect
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> thats almost 25 cents a gig
02:41 <DrJoeTron> secret of mana
02:42 <DrJoeTron> good god
02:42 <DrJoeTron> http://3btech.net/whlamadate202.html
02:42 <DrJoeTron> they're hard drives built out of western digital parts
02:42 <DrJoeTron> and seagate and what not
02:42 <DrJoeTron> Gomes bought a few of them
02:43 <DrJoeTron> they've been running for a year now
02:43 <DrJoeTron> no problems
02:43 <Your_mom_arma> was about to say, looks like a website with questionable service
02:44 <DrJoeTron> I'm getting my brother one for christmas
02:44 <DrJoeTron> btw
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> i think my idea from a pirate game differs too much from luci's
02:44 <DrJoeTron> any one want a deep dish pizza from chicago?
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> er of a
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> gross
02:45 <DrJoeTron> this place sells frozen precooked ones that you can mail
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> new york style pizza ftw
02:45 <DrJoeTron> and its pretty amazing pizza
02:45 <DrJoeTron> a pox on Your_mom_arma !
02:46 <DrJoeTron> yeah, I bet you like eating cardboard ;d
02:46 <DrJoeTron> I bet you've never had chicago deep dish
02:46 <Your_mom_arma> im not allowed to have an oppinion on food that differs from joes
02:47 <DrJoeTron> thats right
02:47  * DrJoeTron crosses arms
02:47 <DrJoeTron> :/
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> the fact that you compare new york style to pizza proves you've never had a good one
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> er
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> wait that came out wrong
02:47 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:47 <DrJoeTron> its ok
02:48 <DrJoeTron> have you had it?
02:48 <DrJoeTron> chicago deep dish
02:48 <Your_mom_arma> i wouldnt be suprised if the local deep dish is better and vise versa
02:48 <DrJoeTron> what if I offered you one
02:48 <DrJoeTron> from chicago
02:48 <DrJoeTron> would you take it
02:49 <DrJoeTron> its really a different breed of pizza
02:49 <DrJoeTron> one that involves you losing years off of your life
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> not likely, i would try it if i ever went there though
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> don't take it, he'd have to ship it
02:49 <DrJoeTron> but you lose the suck years
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> which means it'll be moldy and cold by the time you get it
02:50 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:50 <DrJoeTron> they sell precooked frozen ones
02:50 <DrJoeTron> btw
02:50 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma your stuff is boxed up
02:50 <Your_mom_arma> frozen whitecastle isnt the same as the real thing
02:53 <DrJoeTron> I woke up with a clowns hand in my pants...Thats what I did today
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> gross?
02:54 <DrJoeTron> :( 
02:55 <Your_mom_arma> your not serious right?
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> creepy silence
02:57 <DrJoeTron> metalocalypse... 
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> the newer ones have been less notable for me
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> blood ocean
02:58 <DrJoeTron> that was meh
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> i've been dissapointes i just hope it starts to pick up again
02:59 <DrJoeTron> but the dr. rockso one was great
02:59 <Your_mom_arma> the first 4 where gold
02:59 <DrJoeTron> the first one was alright to me
02:59 <Your_mom_arma> they raised my hopes then they dashed them
02:59 <DrJoeTron> the birthday one is still my favorite one
02:59 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> joe care to explain wth they where thinking with assy mcgee
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> that custang guy just PMd me to ask me the normal cost of a server
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> I replied.  :)  "Cost of a PC and an internet connection"
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> nice haha
03:02 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma hey PM'd you too?
03:02 <Your_mom_arma> joe seemed like an hour long ass joke
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, I'm not the only one he's spamming?
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> Joe's a Turdist, clearly
03:02 <ghableska> haha
03:02 <DrJoeTron> what they were thinking with assy mcgee?
03:03 <DrJoeTron> they were thinking "we'll watch anything"
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> isn't there a song about him?  "Me and my assy mcgee"
03:03 <DrJoeTron> they are the next generation of hannah barbara cartoons
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, nothing, and my assy assy mcgee!"
03:03 <DrJoeTron> its all cartoons with one lame joke
03:03 <DrJoeTron> and they take it and run with it
03:05 <DrJoeTron> hey, how much does a normal server cost???
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if he's spamming zman with it too
03:06 <DrJoeTron> he is
03:06 <DrJoeTron> wait
03:06 <DrJoeTron> did he just repost
03:06 <DrJoeTron> ?
03:07 <Your_mom_arma> zman managed to run a half decent server on a 200mhz intel
03:07 <spidey> #last --with spidey
03:07 <armabot> spidey: [01:37:51] <luke-jr_work> and mail spidey's proof
03:07 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
03:07 <armabot> spidey: [03:10:31] <spidey> #last --with spidey, [01:37:51] <luke-jr_work> and mail spidey's proof, [00:59:58] <luke-jr_work> spidey: no, His mother isn't divine, [00:59:44] <luke-jr_work> spidey: yes He does, [00:52:57] <luke-jr_work> spidey: that's nonsense made up by anarchists, [00:51:05] <luke-jr_work> spidey: yeah, but you need to take a scientist's word that it's real science, [00:47:44] <luke-jr_work> spidey: (14 more messages)
03:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah really
03:08 <Your_mom_arma> whats wrong with anarchy?
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> I love the antichrist, put another dime in the jukebox baby!
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> anarchy works in a perfect world along with communism
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> anarchy leads to natural selection
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> which is known to be evil
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:10 <DrJoeTron> PINKO COMMIE
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> natural selection is powered by the forces of evil!
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> RED is the color of communism!
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> it is mere coincidence that it is the color of blood
03:10 <Your_mom_arma> natural selection leads to thinking about evolution so it must be
03:12 <DrJoeTron> RED is the color of your blood if you are communist!
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> lobsters are communist, joe
03:12 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr do you believe cockroaches can survive extreme radiation from nuclear sources?
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> you're not fooling anyone
03:12 <DrJoeTron> we're more of a brown :/
03:12 <DrJoeTron> untill we're cooked
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> then you're communist?
03:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah, we show our true colors
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> so are you saying that lobsters are Turdists until they're cooked, at which point they become communists?
03:13 <DrJoeTron> correct
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> can this be independently verified?
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> does it apply to crawfish?  If it does, then I can go down to papadeux and ask the crawfish in the tank if they're Turdists
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> then I can order one to eat, and ask it if it's communist!
03:14 <DrJoeTron> nah, crawfish are chill
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> I love the antichrist, so dunceanotherdoonanda don't say me!
03:15 <DrJoeTron> good god
03:15 <DrJoeTron> the video game awards still exsist?
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> wherever there are people, there will be people patting themselves on the back for mediocrity
03:17  * Lucifer_arma takes this opportunity to remind everyone he was a smeghead when he first posted on the boards, and he's still a smeghead
03:17 <ghableska> when did you first post?
03:19 <Your_mom_arma> im still a jerk
03:19  * ghableska doesn't post
03:19 <spidey> haha!
03:20 <spidey> they're advertising this game store and they called the other game stores "newbies"
03:20 <spidey> i got a kick out of that
03:20 <spidey> it was on the radio
03:20 <DrJoeTron> I'm still a jerk as well
03:20 <spidey> no you're not
03:20 <spidey> you're just a asshole
03:20 <spidey> or...a whole ass
03:20 <spidey> ;x
03:20 <DrJoeTron> now with 25% less spelling and grammar errors :)
03:21 <DrJoeTron> am I a pretty ass?
03:21 <spidey> no
03:21 <spidey> you're butt ass ugly
03:21 <spidey> you're like
03:22 <spidey> i dunno, but it's bad!
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> long time ago
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1011&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's not my first post, just the one I was thinking of
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> I still have the picture I drew, too.  :)  I think, hmmmm
03:23 <ghableska> nice responses ;)
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I think I still have it
03:23 <ghableska> have the link? :P
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/ik.JPG  <--- sabarai :)
03:24 <ghableska> hahaha
03:24 <DrJoeTron> OH GOD
03:24 <DrJoeTron> this reminds me
03:24 <DrJoeTron> when nicolus b was extremely drunl
03:24 <ghableska> "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
03:24 <ghableska> Rolling Eyes"
03:24 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: you've changed :)
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> not at all :)
03:24 <ghableska> heh
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd do it again, it was awesome
03:24 <DrJoeTron> he pm'd me and sent me a pictur with mega man and his dog doing bad things
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
03:25 <ghableska> haha
03:25 <DrJoeTron> it was very not mind safe
03:25 <DrJoeTron> I kept the pm
03:25 <DrJoeTron> but the picture ran away
03:25 <ghableska> oh?
03:26 <DrJoeTron> but the pm was titled mega ooooh! XXX
03:26 <ghableska> maybe your inbox is a prude
03:26 <DrJoeTron> :/ it was really creepy
03:26 <DrJoeTron> id look it up
03:26 <DrJoeTron> but I dont want google thinking less of me :
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, he's drawing her in color now
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> I'm so fucked
03:28 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:28 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 41.0°F (7:54 PM CST on December 13, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa. 
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2281
03:29 <DrJoeTron> looks like iceman's site is dead
03:29 <DrJoeTron> and parked
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2280  <--- that girl at the end, I'm in love with her
03:30 <ghableska> "libidoboost?"
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2273  <--- reminds me, I need to cook dinner, the meat's thawing right now
03:31 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
03:31 <DrJoeTron> anyone here read achewood?
03:32 <ghableska> no
03:33 <DrJoeTron> :/
03:33 <DrJoeTron> I miss mac hall 
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2261  <-- start here and read the next 5-6 strips
03:34 <spidey> #check position
03:34 <armabot> spidey: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
03:34 <spidey> #check posistion
03:35 <armabot> spidey: position
03:35 <ghableska> ...
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03:37 <DrJoeTron> http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=334 this will forever shine in my heart :)
03:38 <ghableska> O_o
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2244  -- luke-jr
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> er
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2244  <-- luke-jr
03:39 <DrJoeTron> http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF203-Bad_Apple.jpg#193 :D
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2235
03:42 <ghableska> lol
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2231
03:44 <ghableska> hahaha
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2224  <-- put this on a christmas card, send it to luke-jr (hi there!) 
03:46 <ghableska> nice
03:46 <ghableska> Don't fuck with Jesus :)
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2218  <--- damn, looks like he's restarting the love thread with her and slick
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2217  <--- haha
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I need to get caught up with sinfest
03:48 <DrJoeTron> http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF051AD-Colonel_Sweeto.jpg#120
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04:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2212
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2194
04:20 <spidey> OMG
04:20 <spidey> i hate CSS
04:20 <spidey> it's so fucking moody
04:20 <spidey> like
04:20 <spidey> you make one small change
04:20 <ghableska> o.0
04:20 <spidey> "FUCK YOU I DIDN'T LIKE THAT,NOW I'M JUST GONNA THROW THINGS IN RANDOM PLACES"
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2189 <-- hahaha, wonderslut
04:22 <ghableska> "I sex with you"
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2184  <--- always wondered how to pray
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2180 <--- haha, I love the god finger puppet thing
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2176
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> that last one's for luke
04:28 <spidey> #g 24.2% + 76.4%
04:28 <armabot> spidey: (24.2%) + (76.4%) = 1.00600
04:28 <spidey> er
04:28 <spidey> #g 24.2 + 76.4
04:28 <armabot> spidey: 24.2 + 76.4 = 100.6
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, that's more than 100%
04:28 <spidey> only by .6
04:29 <spidey> means i have to make my sidebar and content page smaller
04:29 <spidey> #g 24.2 + 66.4
04:29 <armabot> spidey: 24.2 + 66.4 = 90.6
04:29 <spidey> hm
04:30 <spidey> i have to make it smaller by
04:30 <spidey> 5.6%
04:30 <spidey> there we go
04:31 <spidey> now to figure out why i have a big ass gap between the header and the rest of it..
04:33 <spidey> that makes no sense
04:33 <spidey> ah
04:33 <spidey> i mixed up top: and height:
04:34 <spidey> so i got the wrong answer >.>
04:34 <GodTodd> spidey has a big ass gap?
04:34 <spidey> yea
04:34 <GodTodd> too much butt sex?
04:34 <spidey> it's DrJoeTron's fault
04:35 <ghableska> yeah, I warned him...
04:35 <GodTodd> nah...joe's a needle
04:37 <GodTodd> that's why i'm always the giver ;)
04:43 <spidey> i love how compatible percents and pixels are
04:43 <spidey> :(
04:45 <GodTodd> well...think about it...at different resolutions 1 pixel is a different percent of the screen
04:45 <spidey> ...
04:45 <spidey> i know that
04:46 <spidey> i got tired of messing with it
04:46 <spidey> so
04:46 <spidey> right: 1px;
04:46 <spidey> and fuck it
04:49 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: don't ever do that again
04:49 <spidey> DO IT!
04:49 <spidey> what'd he do?
04:50 <ghableska> heh
04:50 <ghableska> spidey: #realchatlogs
04:50 <luke-jr> btw, pixels and percentages are compatible-- but they're not a fixed multiple of each other, of course
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> what did I do?
04:51 <spidey> <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2176
04:51 <spidey> <Lucifer_arma> that last one's for luke
04:51 <spidey> that?
04:51 <luke-jr> he posted a comic link
04:51 <luke-jr> so I had to read it all
04:51 <luke-jr> just finished -.-
04:52 <spidey> LOL
04:52  * luke-jr has a lack of self-control when it comes to reading comics
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's a cool comic
04:52 <GodTodd> luke has no lack of wife-control, however
04:53 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: it still takes time to read
04:53 <spidey> luke-jr, what's the equivalent of right:  for IE?
04:53 <spidey> :p
04:53 <luke-jr> spidey: eh?
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> should I post a sexylosers link now?
04:53 <spidey> IE doesn't recognize right:
04:53 <luke-jr> so?
04:53 <spidey> alot of people still use IE :p
04:54 <luke-jr> you should almost never need to use 'right' or 'left'
04:54 <luke-jr> /ignore Lucifer_arma
04:54 <spidey> i do when the side bar is 150px and i need the content to fill the rest of it
04:54 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: yes
04:54 <spidey> and be liquid
04:54 <luke-jr> spidey: you should never specify the width of a sidebar in pixels
04:54 <spidey> well
04:55 <luke-jr> at 1000 dpi, 150px is TINY
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sexylosers.com/
04:55 <spidey> in big resolutions it's to big
04:55 <spidey> 'er
04:55 <spidey> to small
04:55 <luke-jr> and vice versa
04:55 <spidey> yea
04:55 <luke-jr> that's why we have em/ex units
04:55 <luke-jr> and percentages
04:55 <spidey> it looks fine at 1280x1024
04:55 <luke-jr> websites should look the same at any resolution
04:55 <luke-jr> if they look diff, it's a bug :p
04:56 <spidey> ..
04:56 <luke-jr> resolution/DPI control display quality, the content itself should never change
04:57 <spidey> well
04:57 <spidey> atleast IE does left:
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2151  <--- hail the magic 8 ball
04:57 <luke-jr> you shouldn't be using left
04:58 <spidey> i shouldn't use alot of things
04:58 <spidey> but i am
04:58 <luke-jr> :p
04:58 <luke-jr> float: left works nicely
04:59 <spidey> actually
04:59 <spidey> if i was using that
04:59 <spidey> it'd be float : right;
04:59 <spidey> because i want it more to the right
04:59 <spidey> ;p
04:59 <spidey> i had that at first
04:59 <spidey> but when i added something the whole thing fucked up, so i'm redoing it
05:00 <spidey> 'er
05:00 <luke-jr> well get rid of the pixels at least
05:00 <spidey> #g 75.4-14.6
05:00 <armabot> spidey: 75.4 - 14.6 = 60.8
05:01 <luke-jr> 75+25=100
05:01 <luke-jr> easy
05:01 <spidey> #g 100-14.6
05:01 <armabot> spidey: 100 - 14.6 = 85.4
05:01 <spidey> was 10 off ;/
05:01 <luke-jr> ...
05:01 <spidey> the width of the page =100%
05:01 <spidey> right?
05:01 <luke-jr> no
05:01 <spidey> yes
05:01 <luke-jr> 100% is the width of the parent element
05:02 <spidey> ...
05:02 <spidey> w/e
05:02 <luke-jr> so if you have a <div> with width 50% under body, it's 50% of the browser window's width
05:02 <luke-jr> a <div> beneath that at 50% is 25% of the browser window, or 50% of the parent <div>
05:03 <spidey> omg
05:03 <spidey> no shit?
05:03 <spidey> you can't be serious
05:03 <spidey> so if you have a <div> with width 50% under body, it's 50% of the browser window's width
05:03 <spidey> in other words
05:03 <spidey> the fucking browser width = 100%
05:04 <luke-jr> only for a <div> immediately under the body
05:05 <luke-jr> not for most elements
05:05 <spidey> ..
05:05 <spidey> you make a div layer
05:05 <spidey> give it a width of 100%
05:05 <spidey> how much of the browser window will it take up?
05:05 <luke-jr> depends where the div is
05:05 <spidey> ..
05:05 <luke-jr> wtf is a "layer"?
05:06 <spidey> 'er
05:06 <luke-jr> <body><div width=50%><div width=50% id=foo>
05:06 <luke-jr> foo takes up 25% of the browser window
05:06 <luke-jr> half of half
05:06 <luke-jr> btw, that's totally invalid XHTML and for example purposes only
05:06 <spidey> http://www.xentrik.net/css/layers.php
05:06 <spidey> read
05:07 <luke-jr> yeah, ok so this random website made up the term 'layers' for divs
05:08 <spidey> http://www.kirenai.net/divs/
05:08 <spidey> http://aspalliance.com/1060_How_to_Popup_a_Window_Using_DIV_Layer_in_ASPNET_1x2x
05:08 <spidey> should i keep going?
05:08 <luke-jr> yay, more random non-authoritative sites
05:08 <luke-jr> at least the second one doesn't recommend pixels
05:09 <luke-jr> Your search - "div layer" site:w3.org - did not match any documents. 
05:10 <GodTodd> heh....luke will not take unverifiable evidence as proof of something? i call hypocrite
05:10 <ghableska> I'm going to bed.
05:10 <luke-jr> pretty sure hypocrit doesn't have an e
05:10 <ghableska> #night
05:10 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
05:10 <luke-jr> ...but I'm wrong
05:10 <luke-jr> oh well
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05:11 <GodTodd> *gasp* luke is wrong?
05:11 <GodTodd> say it ain't so!
05:12 <GodTodd> #dict hypocrite
05:12 <armabot> GodTodd: easton, wn, devils, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: hypocrite n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold [syn: {dissembler}, {phony}, {phoney}, {pretender}]; easton: Hypocrite one who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler in religion. Our Lord severely rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy (Matt. 6:2, 5, 16). "The (6 more messages)
05:12 <GodTodd> #dict hypocrit
05:12 <armabot> GodTodd: No definition for "hypocrit" could be found.
05:13 <GodTodd> ahhh...but they need to add it...cuz we cannot have luke be wrong about anything
05:15 <spidey> lol
05:16 <GodTodd> luke...i'm still waiting for your divine civilization wisdom as to what i should be doing with my cities
05:16 <spidey> omg
05:16 <spidey> no
05:16 <spidey> DO NOT LISTEN TO LUKE
05:16 <GodTodd> i cannot do anything until you tell me what to do
05:16 <spidey> he sucks at that game
05:16 <spidey> did i say that outloud?
05:16 <luke-jr> you should meet me
05:16 <luke-jr> and give me all your stuff
05:16 <GodTodd> heh...he questioned my actions so i figure he must be the best there is at it and i need to do whatever he says
05:16 <spidey> no, give ME all your stuff
05:17 <GodTodd> ok...done...i quit
05:17 <GodTodd> :)
05:17 <spidey> give them to me
05:17 <spidey> fuck luke
05:17 <luke-jr> GodTodd: I didn't question anything
05:17 <GodTodd> ummm no...*you* fuck luke
05:17 <spidey> lol
05:17 <GodTodd> #last --from luke --with eiffel
05:17 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 21280 messages.
05:17 <GodTodd> bah
05:18 <GodTodd> yeah you did you lying fuck
05:18 <spidey> LOL
05:18 <spidey> don't listen to luke
05:18 <spidey> besides
05:18 <spidey> he always loses
05:19 <GodTodd> i will *not* be called a liar by someone who has no idea what truth is
05:19 <spidey> AMEN!
05:19 <spidey> :))
05:19 <luke-jr> so I'm the only one allowed to call you a liar?
05:19 <GodTodd> what is truth, moron?
05:19 <spidey> EW
05:20 <spidey> I KNOW
05:20 <luke-jr> God
05:20 <spidey> PICK ME, PICK ME
05:20 <GodTodd> yeah...my god is truth
05:20 <spidey> luke-jr, you made a 0%
05:20 <spidey> sorry
05:20 <GodTodd> i will go with that
05:20 <spidey> you failed
05:20 <spidey> MY TURN
05:20 <spidey> the truth is
05:20 <spidey> luke-jr is the sux
05:21 <GodTodd> no...luke is a little boy trying to pose as a man
05:21 <spidey> lol
05:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:21 <GodTodd> that's why he needs a wife and god to control his life
05:21 <spidey> omg
05:21 <spidey> he's gonna kick todd
05:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %GodTodd!*@*] by luke-jr
05:21 <spidey> abuse of powers
05:21 <@luke-jr> nah, just mute him for a bit
05:22 <@luke-jr> not abuse of powers
05:22 <spidey> btw
05:22 <spidey> todd
05:22 <spidey> change your real name
05:22 <@luke-jr> hah
05:22 <spidey> you'll get back in :)
05:22 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %GodTodd!*@*] by luke-jr
05:23 <GodTodd> what have i done that is kickable or mutable?
05:23 <GodTodd> you mute those who challenge you?
05:23 <@luke-jr> I mute those who are verbally abusive to an excess
05:23 <GodTodd> such as?
05:23 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:23 <spidey> luke-jr, be mature
05:24 <spidey> learn to use your /ignore
05:24 <GodTodd> oh, yeah....he doesn't need proof
05:24 <spidey> oh wait
05:24 <spidey> nvm, i forgot
05:24 <spidey> ;x
05:24 <GodTodd> the truth offends apparently
05:24 <luke-jr> no, your lies and abuse do
05:24 <GodTodd> what lies?
05:24 <GodTodd> what abuse?
05:24 <luke-jr> now cut that crap out
05:24 <GodTodd> cut what out?
05:25 <luke-jr> stop playing/being stupid
05:25 <spidey> GodTodd, you denying his god is real
05:25 <GodTodd> show me what i'm supposed to stop
05:25 <spidey> it's mentally abusive!
05:25 <luke-jr> stop playing/being stupid
05:25 <GodTodd> i'm not playing
05:25 <GodTodd> and i'm not being stupid
05:25 <GodTodd> i'm telling it like it is
05:25 <GodTodd> and you have yet to show me how i'm lying
05:26 <spidey> to bad Lucifer_arma isn't here
05:26 <spidey> he'd sure abuse luke for the hell of it
05:26 <spidey> :))
05:26 <GodTodd> i want to know how anything i've said is worse than anyone else
05:26 <GodTodd> now
05:26 <GodTodd> or i will call abuse of power
05:26 <luke-jr> did I say it was much worse than anyone else?
05:27 <GodTodd> then why was i muted?
05:27 <luke-jr> only reason spidey wasn't muted was because he's made it clear he doesn't mean it
05:27 <luke-jr> and you were the only other one at that particular time doing it
05:27 <GodTodd> and the others?
05:27 <GodTodd> before?
05:27 <GodTodd> or is this a "punishment window"?
05:27 <luke-jr> you hadn't pushed my patience before
05:27 <GodTodd> if so, you might want to post the hours on the topic
05:28 <GodTodd> the truth pushes your patience?
05:28 <luke-jr> just stfu and learn your lesson
05:28 <GodTodd> no
05:28 <spidey> LOL!
05:28 <spidey> OMG!
05:28 <GodTodd> my lesson is what?
05:28 <spidey> i loved that!
05:28 <GodTodd> to not challenge luke?
05:28 <GodTodd> fuck that
05:28 <luke-jr> to not be verbally abusive
05:28 <GodTodd> show how i was verbally abusive
05:29 <spidey> to bad it's only chat, i'm sure it'd be physically abusive otherwise!
05:29 <GodTodd> show how i was verbally abusive
05:29 <luke-jr> [Thu Dec 14 2006] [04:18:30] <GodTodd>  ummm no...*you* fuck luke
05:29 <luke-jr> [Thu Dec 14 2006] [03:53:46] <GodTodd>  luke has no lack of wife-control, however
05:29 <luke-jr> [Thu Dec 14 2006] [04:21:57] <GodTodd>  no...luke is a little boy trying to pose as a man
05:29 <spidey> SHIT! MY MUTE BUTTON ISN'T WOR...(drop kick)
05:29 <GodTodd> the first wasn't even directed at you
05:30 <luke-jr> [Sun Dec 10 2006] [06:11:20] <GodTodd>  heh luke's an ass
05:30 <luke-jr> [Sun Dec 10 2006] [06:12:52] <GodTodd>  ok...amend that....luke's an ass that can't formulate a complete intelligent sentence in response to anyone
05:30 <GodTodd> yeah....that's the worst that anyone has said about you
05:30 <GodTodd> right...
05:30 <luke-jr> nah, that's just all grep finds easily
05:31 <GodTodd> i'm being persecuted
05:31 <spidey> omfg
05:31 <spidey> will ANYONE ever learn
05:31 <spidey> this is the internet
05:31 <spidey> this is chat
05:31 <GodTodd> my beliefs are getting me "punished"....i'm being persecuted
05:31 <GodTodd> spidey: i'm aware of that...it's luke that is "exerting control" on a chat room
05:31 <luke-jr> if so, at least your beliefs are wrong and as such have no rights
05:32 <GodTodd> prove they're wrong?
05:32 <GodTodd> and btw that's verbal abuse
05:32 <GodTodd> mute yourself
05:32 <luke-jr> which one?
05:32 <spidey> lol!
05:32 <luke-jr> you're the one claiming persecution right now
05:32 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> if so, at least your beliefs are wrong and as such have no rights
05:32 <GodTodd> that's abusicve
05:32 <GodTodd> abusive*
05:32 <luke-jr> no, that's plain fact
05:33 <GodTodd> so were my statements
05:33 <spidey> so
05:33 <spidey> if
05:33 <spidey> i say
05:33 <luke-jr> nope
05:33 <GodTodd> yep
05:33 <spidey> you're blind and ignarent
05:33 <DrJoeTron> ...
05:33 <spidey> i'm telling a plain fact?
05:33 <luke-jr> nope, cuz it's not true
05:33 <luke-jr> [Wed Dec 13 2006] [06:14:18] <luke-jr>  GodTodd: wtf... Eiffel Tower??
05:33 <luke-jr> [Wed Dec 13 2006] [06:16:00] <GodTodd>  what of it?
05:33 <luke-jr> [Wed Dec 13 2006] [06:19:55] <luke-jr>  never seen anyone seriously consider it
05:33 <luke-jr> a priority before, :p
05:33 <GodTodd> no...because it's against luke's beliefs
05:34 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> [Wed Dec 13 2006] [06:14:18] <luke-jr>  GodTodd: wtf... Eiffel Tower??
05:34 <spidey> of course
05:34 <GodTodd> and that's not a question?
05:34 <luke-jr> no, that's an exclamation
05:34 <GodTodd> then why the question marks?
05:34 <GodTodd> ! is an exclamation mark
05:35 <luke-jr> two question marks :p
05:35 <GodTodd> so that proves i wasn't lying and you were
05:36  * GodTodd edits Strunk & White because apparently ??==!
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr eats shit and likes it
05:37 <GodTodd> watch out?? you'll get muted??
05:38 <DrJoeTron> wow??
05:38 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd?? Look out??
05:39 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:39 -!- luke-jr changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2.1 has been released?? | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
05:39 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:39 <DrJoeTron> ahahaha
05:39 <DrJoeTron> that's great??
05:39 <GodTodd> luke-jr: have you muted Lucifer_arma yet?
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v [NP]Tangent] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v [Xpert]DarkStar] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v armabot] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v guru3] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v j0h4nn3s] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr_work] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v mkzelda] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Plazma] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by luke-jr
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v wrtlprnft] by luke-jr
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v z-man-work] by luke-jr
05:41 <+spidey> guru3, luke-jr's abusing op
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:42 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-37-179-152.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [Client Quit]
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05:42 <+luke-jr> wow, laggy??
05:42 <+spidey> you guys "could" use /notice
05:42 <+spidey> /notice #armagetron whatever
05:42 <+luke-jr> am not
05:43 <+luke-jr> wb
05:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o DrJoeTr0n] by luke-jr
05:43 <@luke-jr> or luci could just voice em
05:43 <@luke-jr> or -m
05:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Lucifer_arma] by DrJoeTr0n
05:43  * luke-jr wonders if this is even getting through
05:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v GodTodd] by DrJoeTr0n
05:43 <@DrJoeTr0n> let them speak!
05:44 -!- DrJoeTr0n is now known as DrJoeTron
05:44 <+GodTodd> anyway...as said before....luke has no control in his real life so has to exert what little he has here
05:44 <+GodTodd> heh
05:44 <@DrJoeTron> we settle this like gentleman
05:44 <@luke-jr> can anyone hear me?
05:44 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-246-32.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit]
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05:45 <+GodTodd> and how can you "hear" on a chat window?
05:45 <+spidey> text to speach?
05:45 <+spidey> duh
05:45 <+GodTodd> but, no, *i'm* the stupid one
05:45 <@DrJoeTron> stoopid :P
05:46 <+GodTodd> at least i finally got luke to overreact :)
05:46 <+GodTodd> i'm very proud of that :D
05:46 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-246-32.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit]
05:46 <+GodTodd> quitter
05:47 <@DrJoeTron> I havent replied spidey 
05:47 <+spidey> ghey
05:47 <+spidey> you should have kickbanned luke ;x
05:47 <@DrJoeTron> karma said not to
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05:47 <+spidey> karma lies
05:47 <+GodTodd> no...luke is a little boy trying to pose as a man
05:48 <+spidey> AMEN BRUTHA!
05:48 <+spidey> ;x
05:48 <@DrJoeTron> I actually want this position to silence the chitlins who come in here
05:48 <+GodTodd> that's what started it all :D
05:48 <@DrJoeTron> like Canada
05:48 <+GodTodd> which was right after spidey had "verbally abused" him as well
05:48 <+spidey> i'm allowed to
05:49 <+spidey> what i say makes no sense anyways
05:49 <+spidey> so booya
05:49 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:49 <+spidey> haha!
05:49 <@luke-jr> spidey: hi
05:49 <+spidey> luke can't talk
05:49 <+spidey> ;x
05:49 <+GodTodd> ahh...so because i make sense he gets pissed
05:49 <+spidey> oh
05:49 <+spidey> ;/
05:49 <+GodTodd> i get it
05:49 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:49 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:49 <@DrJoeTron> oh right
05:49 <+luke-jr> finally the lag is gone?
05:49 <@DrJoeTron> haha sorry
05:49  * luke-jr appoints DrJoeTron moderator of the hour
05:49 <+spidey> what lag?
05:50 <+luke-jr> spidey: the lag only affecting me apparently
05:50 <@DrJoeTron> huzzah!
05:50 <+luke-jr> started when I voiced everyone
05:50 <+spidey> must be affecting only you
05:50 <@DrJoeTron> hey whats the password for op
05:50 <+spidey> ..
05:50 <+luke-jr> spidey: yeah, that's what I said
05:50 <+spidey> there isn't a password
05:50 <+spidey> nub
05:50 <+luke-jr> DrJoeTron: ... there is no pass
05:50 <+luke-jr> lol
05:50 <@DrJoeTron> ah
05:50 <@DrJoeTron> ok
05:51 <+luke-jr> so DrJoeTron
05:51 <@DrJoeTron> yo
05:51 <+luke-jr> is GodTodd being mean to me?
05:51 <@DrJoeTron> you're all being mean
05:51 <+spidey> wtf you mean
05:51 <+GodTodd> btw luke...go ahead and ai me in your game
05:51 <+spidey> being "mean" to luke is like a motto
05:51 <+spidey> it's necassary
05:52 <@DrJoeTron> I cant really judge either
05:52 <@DrJoeTron> seeing as I started paying attention 20 minutes ago
05:52 <@DrJoeTron> by the time I paid any attention you were both incredibly nasty
05:53 <+luke-jr> what you say??
05:53 <+spidey> suck up
05:53 <@DrJoeTron> how is that sucking up?
05:53 <+spidey> be a man!
05:53 <@DrJoeTron> more like sucking down
05:53 <+spidey> join the fight against luke!
05:53 <+luke-jr> GodTodd: no
05:53 <+luke-jr> AI yourself noob
05:53 <@DrJoeTron> hey, I'm the neutral guy,
05:53 <+Lucifer_arma> dfdf
05:53 <+GodTodd> luke-jr: fine, whatever you want i ain't playing it again
05:53 <+luke-jr> df -h
05:53 <@DrJoeTron> should I die, tell my wife I said, hello
05:53 <+spidey> there is no such thing as nutural
05:53 <+GodTodd> and please quit verbally abusing me
05:53 <+spidey> either you're a shark
05:54 <+Lucifer_arma> luke-jr sucks down
05:54 <+spidey> or a guppy
05:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v spidey] by DrJoeTron
05:54 <+luke-jr> haha
05:54 <+luke-jr> he had that coming :x
05:54 <@DrJoeTron> guppy
05:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by DrJoeTron
05:54 <+spidey> pwn
05:55 <@DrJoeTron> I'm more like the firsherman
05:55 <@DrJoeTron> ;p
05:55 <+spidey> fisherman gets pwnt by great white
05:55 <+spidey> haven't you ever seen jaws?
05:55 <+luke-jr> GodTodd: whynot?
05:55 <+spidey> dun.....dun....dundundundun
05:55 <+spidey> PWNED NOOB
05:55 <+GodTodd> why not what?
05:55 <@DrJoeTron> #rules
05:55 <+armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in