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--- Day changed Thu Dec 14 2006
00:00 <luke-jr_work> I haven't conquered you yet :p
00:00 <spidey> hmm
00:00 <spidey> luke-jr_work, 
00:00 <spidey> 1tpd
00:00 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:00 <GodTodd> well...you seem to have a problem with my choices so i need you to tell me what's best
00:00 <spidey> why don't you remind me of this stuff?
00:00 <luke-jr_work> spidey: most people have a problem w/ that
00:00 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: nah, I suck
00:00 <luke-jr_work> just ask spidey 
00:00 <spidey> ??
00:00 <Van-hayes> ask anyone
00:00 <luke-jr_work> spidey: people complain when I remind em
00:01 <GodTodd> then why would you comment on my choices?
00:01 <luke-jr_work> spidey: I update the topic in #freeciv-1tpd sometimes tho
00:01 <spidey> i don't care when people remind me
00:01 <spidey> usually 
00:01 <spidey> i forgot about it anyways
00:01 <spidey> ;x
00:01 <luke-jr_work> I just missed 3 turns too
00:01 <luke-jr_work> :o
00:02 <spidey> i missed everyturn since i started
00:02 <GodTodd> or is it the fact that you are so obviously pussy whipped that you have to find other ways and places to try and exert some control?
00:02 <spidey> LOL
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00:09 <spidey> hm
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00:14 <RickyRoss> hi luke
00:14 <luke-jr_work> hi
00:14 <RickyRoss> did the american server work?
00:14 <luke-jr_work> still waiting on it
00:14 <RickyRoss> kk
00:14 <RickyRoss> its all good
00:15 <luke-jr_work> might email em tonight if I haven't heard from them by then
00:15 <RickyRoss> alright
00:15 <RickyRoss> talk to you later if you need anything talk to legit
00:15 <RickyRoss> and give legit all the info for the server once its done
00:15 <RickyRoss> hes gonna admin it for me
00:15 <RickyRoss> seeya
00:15 <luke-jr_work> ok
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00:27 <Lucifer_arma> #eightball does luke-jr_work (hi there!) suck?
00:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: You know the answer better than I.
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, I do.  Yes, yes, I do.
00:27 <ghableska> haha
00:31 <madmax|pt> gnight
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> hey luke-jr_work (hi there!) , a lady from a Catholic school emailed me.  Her name is Mary!
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00:31 <luke-jr_work> who cares?
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> a lady in my calc class is going to that same catholic school.  Her name is Mary, too!
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> What a coincidence!
00:31 <luke-jr_work> I doubt it's even Catholic
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm sure Mary cares
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> it is
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> St. Edward's University
00:32 <luke-jr_work> irrelevant
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a lutheran school nearby, but I forget its name
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, they think the pope's shit don't stink, that makes them catholic
00:33 <luke-jr_work> if they think there's a Pope, that makes them non-Catholic
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> no.  By definition, that makes them catholic.
00:33 <luke-jr_work> nope
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> yep
00:34 <luke-jr_work> you obviously have no clue what a Catholic is
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> it says in the bible, "Catholics love the pope"
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> right
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> no clue
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> historical precedence and events mean nothing in the mind of a true believer such as yourself
00:34 <luke-jr_work> the opposite
00:34 <luke-jr_work> History completely supports Catholicism
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's been a pope for a very long time, and he's also been the head of the Catholic church
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> *always
00:35 <luke-jr_work> there's a position of Pope
00:35 <luke-jr_work> but that position hasn't been filled for nearly 50 years
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> really?  Who was that john paul guy then?
00:35 <luke-jr_work> Christ has always been the head of the Church
00:35 <luke-jr_work> JP2 was a heretical Conciliarist
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> no, Christ is the object of worship
00:35 <luke-jr_work> no different from Luther or the leaders of other heretical sects
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> by definition he can't be the head of the church.  The church exists to organize the worship and brainwash the children
00:36 <ghableska> O_o
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> big difference.  Luther had a brain
00:36 <luke-jr_work> No, the Church exists for the salvation of mankind
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> and he used it
00:36 <luke-jr_work> ok, so JP2 was worse than Luther
00:36 <luke-jr_work> but they were still both non-Catholic
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he was dumb enough to remain a catholic
00:36 <ghableska> The Church exists for the good of itself :P
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> The Church exists to worship my penis
00:37 <ghableska> good thing I'm not religious
00:37 <luke-jr_work> Christ started the Church as His means to save mankind
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> Christ didn't start the church
00:37 <luke-jr_work> He did
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> he preached and got killed
00:37 <luke-jr_work> that's historical fact
00:37 <spidey> LOL
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> and didn't wipe his ass
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, the only historical fact here is that the bible was written by men
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> with a few exceptions, where women wrote parts
00:37 <luke-jr_work> by Catholics
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> all else is purely speculation
00:38 <luke-jr_work> under the influence of God
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's speculation
00:38 <luke-jr_work> no, it's fact
00:38 <spidey> luke-jr_work, haven't i asked you for solid proof?
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's speculation
00:38 <spidey> besides what's in a bible
00:38 <luke-jr_work> spidey: of?
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, he doesn't have it.
00:38 <spidey> that's been rewritten
00:38 <spidey> a million times
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> all he has is speculation, because he only has the bible
00:38 <spidey> which has been rewritten
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> and at that, he only has the parts of the bible his favorite church didn't censor
00:38 <luke-jr_work> the Bible is only one of many sources of Truth
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's not as reliable a source as my ass
00:39 <spidey> the bible sucks
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00:39 <Lucifer_arma> truth comes out of my ass
00:39 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma sucks
00:39 <spidey> luke-jr_work, you have no proof
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> hey, if I sit and squinch long enough, truth comes out.  It's no different with praying, except you can smell my truth.
00:39 <spidey> do stfu
00:39 <spidey> so*
00:39 <luke-jr_work> spidey: sure I do
00:39 <spidey> !
00:39 <spidey> where
00:40 <spidey> lemme see it
00:40 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: you shit the truth?
00:40 <spidey> pull a bible out
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> hey, don't tell him to stfu when I baited him
00:40 <spidey> i'll shove it up your ass
00:40 <luke-jr_work> spidey: you need to specify what you want proof for
00:40 <spidey> there's a god
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: I shit truth and I piss gold
00:40 <spidey> jesus was really the son of god, and not some fake
00:40 <spidey> do you have hardcore proof?
00:40 <luke-jr_work> spidey: sure
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> hey, jesus' existence is pure speculation anyway
00:40 <spidey> where
00:40 <luke-jr_work> want me to mail you some?
00:40 <spidey> yea, not some article you got offline
00:41  * Lucifer_arma notes luke-jr_work (hi there!) doesn't have any Luciferian turds to mail spidey
00:41 <spidey> lol!
00:41 <luke-jr_work> spidey: the address on your domain real?
00:41 <DrJoeTron> what part of "dont recruit here" do people not understand?
00:41 <spidey> what is it?
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> send him a nail that was carbon-dated to have been made shortly before jesus was born and contains dna samples that show it was used to nail jesus up
00:41 <spidey> yea
00:42 <spidey> we can clone him
00:42 <ghableska> but the earth is only 6000 years old! :P
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> that would be good, independent, verifiable evidence
00:42 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: so?
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm sure carbon has decayed pretty predictably for at least those 6000 years
00:42 <spidey> ghableska, it's flat to
00:42 <spidey> DON'T FALL OFF THHE EDGE!
00:42 <luke-jr_work> spidey: bs
00:42 <ghableska> yeah
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, it was until spidey got one of those big bombs.  Now it's convex.
00:43 <ghableska> haha
00:43 <spidey> LOL
00:43 <luke-jr_work> lol
00:44 <luke-jr_work> spidey: the address on your domain real?
00:44 <spidey> which one?
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> you can email him at spidey@luciferstruth.ass
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'd like a .ass TLD, now that I think of it
00:44 <luke-jr_work> spidey: whois fallin-angels.net
00:45 <luke-jr_work>    Paul Noble
00:45 <luke-jr_work>    2104 W. Antioch Rd.
00:45 <luke-jr_work>    Springville, TN  38256
00:45 <luke-jr_work> that one
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's probably his uncle that lives uptown
00:45 <spidey> yea
00:45 <spidey> it's real
00:45 <ghableska> the porno uncle?
00:45 <luke-jr_work> ok, so you want me to mail you proof?
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> I guess.  The one that comes over and gives him pot
00:46 <spidey> if you mail me some bullshit 
00:46 <spidey> you better hope you don't put a return address
00:46 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:46 <ghableska> lol
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, it has to be proof that he can verify through other sources not affiliated with any church
00:46 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: that's ridiculous to expect, seeing that any source w/ the proof wouldn't be foolish enough to remain outside the Church
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> so any statements referenced in any written documentation, for example, he should be able to call the person who said it and get their verification
00:47 <spidey> fuck that
00:47 <spidey> i don't want there word
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: why not?  Maybe they have more than half a brain?
00:47 <spidey> or anyone elses
00:47 <spidey> i want hardcore facts
00:47 <spidey> that ARE proven with science
00:47 <spidey> or some other means
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, hardcore facts are going to be known by researchers.  Priests and other such folk aren't trained in research, they're trained in public speaking and jesus loving
00:48 <luke-jr_work> spidey: yeah, but you need to take a scientist's word that it's real science
00:48 <luke-jr_work> duh
00:48 <spidey> yea
00:48 <spidey> and i want there phone number
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's what "independently verifiable" is all about
00:48 <spidey> so i can call them and ask
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't have to take one person's word at all, he can call up 5000 people and ask them
00:48 <Van-hayes> well isnt faith believing in something that you cant prove?
00:48 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: no
00:48 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: that's blind faith
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> 5000 people with real credentials and work to back up their word.  And *then* he can way it against his own feeling and thoughts
00:49 <Van-hayes> what is faith then
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> *weigh
00:49 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: belief in something in general
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's what science is all about.  It's the most critical part of the scientific method.
00:49 <Van-hayes> #dict faith
00:49 <spidey> faith is something for people who can't live with the fact life is nothing more than 80-90 years of life
00:49 <armabot> Van-hayes: devils, gazetteer, gcide, easton, wn, bouvier, moby-thes, and gaz-place responded: gcide: Faith \Faith\, interj. By my faith; in truth; verily. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Fecks \Fecks\, n. A corruption of the word {faith}. --Shak. [1913 Webster] feculae; devils: FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel; bouvier: (31 more messages)
00:49 <ghableska> I believe in Lucifer_arma's ass; is that faith?
00:49 <spidey> then death
00:49 <spidey> that there is no real meaning
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> no, I have a real ass
00:49 <Van-hayes> ha
00:49 <ghableska> :)
00:49 <luke-jr_work> spidey: that's nonsense made up by anarchists
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but if you believe that truth comes out of it, like I say it does, then *that* would be faith
00:50 <Van-hayes> luke-jr_work: looks like you are wrong 
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> I do really piss gold, though.  early in the morning
00:50 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: looks like your definition has been appended recently
00:50 <spidey> drink more water
00:50 <spidey> then you'll piss crystal
00:50 <spidey> ;x
00:51 <luke-jr_work> "synonym see BELIEF"
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> #dict belief
00:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: belief n 1: any cognitive content held as true [ant: {unbelief}] 2: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying" [syn: {impression}, {feeling}, {notion}, {opinion}]; moby-thes: (9 more messages)
00:51 <spidey> luke-jr_work, i have a belief that one day, ONE DAY 
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> I will blow out a fart that only catholics can smell?
00:52 <spidey> luke's christian
00:52 <spidey> so no
00:52 <GodTodd> i have a belief that luke is a pussy whipped, jesus freak wuss
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> 2: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; 
00:52 <Van-hayes> well faith has always meant,to me, a belief in what can not be proven. 
00:52 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: that's the protest-ant's doing
00:52 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:52 <GodTodd> and, whaddayaknow, it's the One Truth too ;)
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> to me, faith is something english teachers talk about when you read shakespeare
00:53 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: just like how they redefined 'worship' etc
00:53 <Van-hayes> #dict worship
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00:53 <armabot> Van-hayes: devils, gcide, easton, wn, bouvier, and moby-thes responded: bouvier: WORSHIP, Eng. law. A title or addition given to certain persons. 2 Inst. 666; Bac. Ab. Misnomer, A 2; devils: WORSHIP, n. Homo Creator's testimony to the sound construction and fine finish of Deus Creatus. A popular form of abjection, having an element of pride; easton: Worship homage rendered to God which it is sinful (13 more messages)
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> worship and warship sound the same for a reason
00:53 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd this is why I let you have your way with me :3
00:53 <spidey> HOMO
00:53 <luke-jr_work> #more
00:53 <armabot> luke-jr_work: doesn't make any sense, [23:49:41] <spidey> it looks fine to me, [23:49:30] <spidey> ???, [23:49:02] <Lucifer_arma> can anybody translate that page for me?  I don't think it was written in english..., [23:48:52] <Lucifer_arma> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&engine=2&dockey=xml/0/6/06ae9a4f37d1279fb158a9c99481a317@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=, [23:48:35] <spidey> you still (13 more messages)
00:53 <Van-hayes> luke-jr_work: uh want to give me your defintion of worship, then theirs?
00:53 <luke-jr_work> #more Van-hayes 
00:53 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (idolatry) to render to any created being (Ex. 34:14; Isa. 2:8). Such worship was refused by Peter (Acts 10:25,26) and by an angel (Rev. 22:8,9); bouvier: WORSHIP. The honor and homage rendered to the Creator. 2. In the United States, this is free, every one being at liberty to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience. Vide Christianity; Religious test; gcide: Worship \Wor"ship\, v. i. To (12 more messages)
00:54 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: cuz i'm coo like dat? ;)
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> 2. In the United States, this is free, every one being at liberty to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience.
00:54 <Van-hayes> sounds good in theory
00:54 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: 2 : to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion
00:54 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd cuz u is kicken rad! ;)
00:54 <luke-jr_work> protest-ants redefine it to: 1 : to honor or reverence as a divine being
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> worship (from Lucifer's dictionary): kissing someone's ass, whether they exist or not, and thereby debasing yourself and absolving yourself of all credibility and independence
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00:55 <spidey> luke-jr_work, the devil is god and god is the devil, the church was brought so you would worship god who is really the devil ;x
00:55 <spidey> so
00:56 <spidey> you're going to hell
00:56 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: for example, it is good to worship Mary, St. Joseph, etc
00:56 <spidey> who's mary?
00:56 <Van-hayes> never met them
00:56 <luke-jr_work> the Mother of God
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> even though the first three commandments condemn you to destruction for that
00:56 <ghableska> haha
00:56 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: they don't
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> Mary's the woman at the catholic school I mentiooned
00:56 <Van-hayes> why would I worship someone Ive never even met?
00:56 <spidey> god doesn't have a mother though
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> they do
00:56 <luke-jr_work> spidey: yes He does
00:56 <spidey> so there's a goddess?
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> catholics are idol-worshippers
00:56 <luke-jr_work> spidey: no, His mother isn't divine
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's why Luther left the church.  He realized it was possessed by the devil
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> luke says it's only the last 50 years, but he doesn't really know
00:57 <luke-jr_work> no, he was just pissed
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> he was *right*
00:57 <luke-jr_work> Luther advised his own mother not to leave the Church
00:57 <spidey> he does't like her
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> because he didn't want her to be burnt at the cross
00:57 <luke-jr_work> nonsense
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> he knew his genocidal contemporaries better than you ever will
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> he also knew the power of the church
00:58 <spidey> what, kill anything that stands against them?
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> he took his own life into his own hands because of what he believed, an action we normally associate with Jesus being a good guy
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> but when Luther does it, he's evil?
00:58  * Lucifer_arma was obviously raised a Lutheran :)
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00:59 <Lucifer_arma> I was excommunicated when I joined the Church of Lex Luther
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00:59 <luke-jr_work> "No, remain a Catholic, for I will neither
00:59 <luke-jr_work> deceive nor betray my mother." -Martin Luther
01:00  * Lucifer_arma notes he didn't "leave" the church, he was excommunicated for seeking reform
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> reforms that would have upset the power of the church
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> roughly equivalent to glasnost and that other thing gorbie did
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01:01 <ghableska> hi mom
01:01 <Your_mom_arma> hi
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> hi mom
01:01 <luke-jr_work> he was excommunicated for heresy and denial of proper authority
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen n54
01:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ~sonofsatan54~ has last been seen on ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} 24 minutes ago.
01:01 <ghableska> lol
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> #seen n54
01:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 26 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 12 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
01:01 <GodTodd> wasn't galileo excommunicated too?
01:01 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
01:01 <ghableska> heh
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think so, but he was definitely put under house arrest for daring to suggest the earth might not be flat
01:02 <GodTodd> no...he was
01:02 <GodTodd> he was recently issued an apology by the catholic church
01:02 <luke-jr_work> Galileo was punished for his crimes
01:02 <luke-jr_work> not by the Catholic Church
01:02 <luke-jr_work> apology not by...*
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> his crimes?  how are his crimes different than yours?
01:02 <luke-jr_work> what crimes?
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> his crime was questioning the church
01:02 <luke-jr_work> no
01:02 <luke-jr_work> His crime was heresy and denying doctrine
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> the very same crime you commit when you say the catholic church isn't catholic and the pope is possessed by the devil
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> but he was *right*
01:03 <luke-jr_work> No he wans't
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> and he had evidence to show
01:03 <luke-jr_work> still isn't
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> still is
01:03 <Your_mom_arma> luke thinks the pope is possessed?
01:03 <luke-jr_work> and I don't commit a crime by condemning heretics and non-Catholics
01:03 <Van-hayes> uh, so the earth doesnt revolve around the sun?
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> not in luke's world
01:03 <luke-jr_work> fact is, there hasn't been a Pope since 1958
01:03 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: no, the Sun revolves around the Earth
01:03 <Van-hayes> cool
01:04 <Your_mom_arma> luke?
01:04 <Van-hayes> good to know
01:04 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: and neither position can be proved by science, because science is within the same realm
01:04 <GodTodd> oooh...even better 
01:04 <GodTodd> http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,230447,00.html
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, sure it can
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> at this point, it's all about observation
01:04 <Van-hayes> you should get the word out luke-jr_work people need to know this
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> we've actually observed this stuff now
01:04 <GodTodd> even the pope knew they done fucked up
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> galileo only computed it
01:04 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: you can't observe it from within
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> newton showed why
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, good thing we've sent people up there to look
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> and numerous satellites and probes
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> so wait luke thinks the current pope is possessed and all the popes in the last 50 years where fakes?
01:05 <luke-jr_work> you'd need to exit the realm of gravity to observe it
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, there was only one, john paul
01:05 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: no, there just hasn't been a pope for nearly 50 years
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> you can't exit the realm of gravity, but it doesn't matter
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> umm
01:05 <GodTodd> define pope, luke
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
01:05 <luke-jr_work> John XXIII, Paul 6, JP 1 & 2, and Benedict are non-Catholic antipopes
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> what?
01:05 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: Vicar of Christ, visible head of the Catholic Churhc
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> jeez, galileo never questioned the church, just something they taught
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> if he got house arrest, what should luke get?
01:06 <GodTodd> ok...no one more visible than john paul was ;)
01:06 <luke-jr_work> a non-Catholic, not being a member of the Church, cannot hold a position within it
01:06 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: but JP2 wasn't a Catholic
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> who is the pope?
01:06  * Lucifer_arma suspects luke would only approve of himself being the pope
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I cn be the pope :)
01:06 <luke-jr_work> Pope Gregory XVII was the last Pope
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> can I, can I?
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> so no pope?
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> how can you tell they arn't catholic? is it the way they walk?
01:07 <GodTodd> he was voted leader...so the college of cardinals thought he was....are you more catholic than they that follow what has been passed down for 2000 years?
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> my, these are dark times we live in
01:07 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: you're not Catholic
01:07 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: they deny Catholic doctrine
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> I can become a catholic
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> all I hve to do is take jesus up the ass, right?
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> I can do that.  I take DrJoeTron (hi there!) all the time!
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> luke provide examples
01:07 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: You need to believe and live by all the doctrines of the Church
01:07 <GodTodd> heh....afaik...if they have the silly hat they're pope
01:07 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: JP2 said Jews can go to Heaven
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> really?  even the doctrine to judge not lest ye be judged yourself?
01:07 <luke-jr_work> he also said Hell was empty, implicitly at least
01:08 <GodTodd> it is...til you get there
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe the jews can still go to heaven.
01:08 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: I'm not doing the judging, just determining God's judgment
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> so only jews go to hell in your opinion?
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> you can't determine God's judgement
01:08 <luke-jr_work> There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church
01:08 <luke-jr_work> that is a dogma
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> to do so would require you to know the will of god, which by definition is heretical
01:08 <Van-hayes> what if its the other way around, wont you look like an idiot
01:08 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: nope
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> yep
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> show me one passage in the bible that says something to the effect of "man can know what god's thinking"
01:09 <luke-jr_work> Man can know what God reveals about Himself
01:09 <luke-jr_work> that's the point of revealing it
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, you probably know of one.  So count all the occurences of those phrases and compare them to the occurences of "man can't know what god's thinking"
01:09 <luke-jr_work> thinking != actions
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> luke show me something saying non catholics cant go to heaven
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> last time I read the bible, I got the distinct impression that god would make his own mind up on judgement day, and that the only way man can be sure to be judged right is to kiss his big white hairy ass and beg for forgiveness
01:10 <|Sticky|> however god can still judge people against a set of rules she may or may not chose to reveal
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, god has changed the rules before
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> apparently it wasn't because he made any mistakes, because he's perfect
01:11 <Your_mom_arma> im still waiting for luke to explain how the current pope is possessed
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, the current pope *is* trying to undo all the reforms the catholic church has had since 1958
01:12 <GodTodd> his silence usually means he can't ;)
01:12 <ghableska> possessed? 
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd imagine luke would like that
01:12 <Your_mom_arma> thats what i said ghab
01:12 <|Sticky|> well judgement day was from revelations which was widly critisised for even being included in the bible and many versions dont include genesis since there is even doubt about its origins
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> did anybody tell him JP2 died?  does he even know that?
01:12 <ghableska> by the devil?
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but satan
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> me, no less
01:13 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: but that might mean changing the stance on reincarnation too ;)
01:13 <Your_mom_arma> thats the conclusion i jumped to ghab
01:13 <ghableska> congrats Lucifer_arma :)
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> why I'd waste my time with him is quite beyond my capacity to figure out
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, the catholic church can self-destruct whether or not I get involved
01:13 <|Sticky|> read Dawkins...God Delusion...absolutly fantastic book
01:13 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma I'm sorry but drew came up with a better name
01:13 <DrJoeTron> title*
01:14 <Your_mom_arma> haha fair enough
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> Master of the Pope's Anus?
01:14 <GodTodd> shortened to "Luke"
01:14 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: 
01:14 <luke-jr_work>       There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved. (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.) 
01:14 <luke-jr_work>        We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> would the SA people ban you for that?
01:14 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: he isn't possessed, he's just non-Catholic
01:14 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2224681&pagenumber=4#post319703605
01:14 <luke-jr_work> actually, maybe he is possessed, I don't know
01:14 <GodTodd> We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
01:14 <GodTodd> We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
01:14 <GodTodd> that means "trust your pope"
01:14 <DrJoeTron> "My girlfriend likes it when I use Stone Hands."
01:15 <GodTodd> dumbass
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> that only applies to human creatures
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> does it apply to our clones?
01:15 <DrJoeTron> clones don't have souls
01:15 <Van-hayes> why not?
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> wait, didn't they still use leeches in those days?
01:15 <DrJoeTron> according to VB they dont
01:15 <Your_mom_arma> so luke do you personally believe that people with learning disabilities or people whom the catholic church have never seen go to hell?
01:15 <GodTodd> questioning the leader in Rome is not being "subject to the Roman Pontiff" which means luke gets no salvation
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's how I read it, GodTodd (hi there!) 
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> so I guess he's fucked
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> can't live with them, can't go to heaven without him
01:16 <GodTodd> that means i get to torment him forever?
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> shit
01:16 <GodTodd> w00t :)
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> that means we'll see him in hell
01:16 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: The former case, people without the use of reason cannot deny Catholicism
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> we gotta get him to love the pope somehow
01:16 <|Sticky|> yes the Assumption of Mary is a great example of the popes wonderful thinking
01:16 <GodTodd> no...that means *he'll* see *us* ;)
01:16 <luke-jr_work> so as long as they are validly Baptised, they are Catholic
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've long maintained that only christians suffer in hell
01:17 <GodTodd> i was baptised
01:17 <Van-hayes> I wasnt
01:17 <Your_mom_arma> tluke the latter?
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> I hear ass-rape against christians is legal down there
01:17 <GodTodd> haha
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> I was too.  :(  Circumcised even
01:17 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: the latter is a more complicated topic
01:17 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: yah...me too
01:17 <|Sticky|> so was I but I grew up and realised its all superstition
01:17 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: ouch
01:17 <Van-hayes> I feel kind of bad too cuase my older sister was but I wasnt
01:17 <GodTodd> so i'm christian and jewish
01:17 <Your_mom_arma> native americans go strait to limbo luke?
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> your sister was circumcised?
01:17 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: non-Catholic ones
01:17  * ghableska is glad he's an atheist
01:17 <Van-hayes> baptised
01:17 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: that happens in some countries
01:17  * GodTodd is not an atheist.
01:18  * Van-hayes isnt either
01:18  * GodTodd follows one of the many true religions.
01:18  * Lucifer_arma worships the turds that comes out of his ass
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a Turdist
01:18 <Your_mom_arma> gross
01:18 <|Sticky|> no i belive jesus said the only way to heaven is through me so jews, native americans and muslims all go to hell
01:18 <ghableska> although Turdism sounds pretty appealing
01:18 <Van-hayes> wasnt jesus muslim?
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> it is, you should try it some time
01:18 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: And He also started His Church as the only means for it
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, jesus was a jew
01:18 <GodTodd> jesus was jewish
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> like Luther, he tried to reform the church
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't start a church, he just tried to reform the one that was there
01:18 <Van-hayes> I thought he was born in the middle east
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> all else since then was done by humans
01:19 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: do Turdists fear the coming of the great white toilet paper?
01:19 <Van-hayes> heh
01:19 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: Israel is in the middle east in case you didn't notice
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> not at all!
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> see, that's the greatest myth!
01:19 <DrJoeTron> Whats the deal with Cat heaven?
01:19 <ghableska> I knew it!
01:19 <Van-hayes> isreal was created less than 70 years ago if you didnt know
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> there's no dogs there?
01:19 <DrJoeTron> Will my kitty go there?
01:19 <luke-jr_work> animals don't have spiritual souls, nor do dogs
01:19 <luke-jr_work> when they die, they rot
01:19 <Your_mom_arma> luke says animals dont have souls
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> no, they get eaten
01:19 <Van-hayes> so what will you eat in heaven?
01:19 <DrJoeTron> my cat does D:
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> if not by you or me, by something else
01:19 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: not spiritual souls, no
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: soul != brain
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> cats have brains, not souls
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> that's why they're such good company :)
01:20 <DrJoeTron> my cat has a sould D:
01:20 <luke-jr_work> technically, brains can be considered soul
01:20 <DrJoeTron> don't say that
01:20 <Your_mom_arma> luke do you believe in dinosaurs?
01:20 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: sure
01:20 <DrJoeTron> dinosaurs with hats?
01:20 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: they're nearly extinct, but they're still real
01:20 <Your_mom_arma> nearly?
01:20 <luke-jr_work> well, supposedly there's still a few alive
01:20 <DrJoeTron> comodo dragons don't count
01:21 <GodTodd> yeah....from 6000 years ago
01:21 <ghableska> o.0
01:21 <luke-jr_work> Loch Ness, etc
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> aren't dinosaurs big enough to be seen by satellite?
01:21 <luke-jr_work> maybe they've died off, I dunno
01:21 <Your_mom_arma> aw come on
01:21 <ghableska> luke-jr_work: if the earth is 6000 years old, when did humans come in?
01:21 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: -4000 BC
01:21 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: ask your bible ;)
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> somewhere near the beginning
01:21 <luke-jr_work> err
01:21 <luke-jr_work> 4000 BC*
01:21 <Your_mom_arma> you believe in a giant lizerd in a lake?
01:21 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
01:21 <DrJoeTron> OH GOD
01:21 <DrJoeTron> wait no
01:21 <DrJoeTron> 1995
01:22 <luke-jr_work> ...
01:22 <DrJoeTron> think about it
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> does the sun revolve around the giant lizard in the lake?
01:22 <DrJoeTron> jurassic park?
01:22 <|Sticky|> do you belive in evolution??
01:22 <luke-jr_work> evolution is heresy disproven by science
01:22 <GodTodd> i do...luke is just a step behind ;)
01:22 <|Sticky|> holy crap i hope you arnt serious
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, I intend to keep evolving while luke keeps believing
01:22 <ghableska> >_>
01:22 <Your_mom_arma> poor DrJoeTron ... jurassic park was a documentary its events happened in real time
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> |Sticky|: he is :)
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's why we bait him so much :)
01:22 <luke-jr_work> evolutionism is just another false religion now
01:23 <|Sticky|> DISPROVEN???
01:23 <luke-jr_work> albeit the most popular one
01:23 <|Sticky|> WHEN
01:23 <DrJoeTron> :(
01:23 <DrJoeTron> NEEEDRY!!!!!!!!!
01:23 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: many times
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> didn't you hear about intelligent design?
01:23 <|Sticky|> I have read creationist material its all based upon terrible understanding of physics biology and misquoting of real scientists
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's the first scientific theory ever to be supported with the might of the american military
01:23 <DrJoeTron> what about the flying spaghetti monster?
01:23 <DrJoeTron> and besides guys
01:24 <DrJoeTron> HAIL XENU
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> ack
01:24 <ghableska> hahahahah
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> not that xenu crap!
01:24 <DrJoeTron> :)
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> dude, I still have engrams!
01:24 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: evolutionism is still disproven, regardless of whether creation is
01:24 <|Sticky|> evolution!=a religion.  evolution has proof.  religon has none
01:24 <Your_mom_arma> luke is the moon real?
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> er
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> evidence
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> there's no such thing as "proof" in science
01:25 <Your_mom_arma> is mars real?
01:25 <luke-jr_work> evolutionism is a religion based on blind faith and disproven scientific theories
01:25 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma yes. and it is infact made of cheese
01:25 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: yes
01:25 <|Sticky|> no...evolution is an incomplete theory not disproven
01:25 <Your_mom_arma> but other solar systems arnt real?
01:25 <luke-jr_work> heck, the moon was used in at least one disproving of evolutionism
01:25 <ghableska> ...
01:25 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: I don't know if they are or not
01:25 <|Sticky|> addition such as punctuated equalibium have been added but the core of the theory still holds
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> why?  they found human fossils on the moon?
01:25 <luke-jr_work> the nearest is over 6000 lightyears away, isn't it?
01:25 <DrJoeTron> what about that tiny human they found a few years back?
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> the pygmies?
01:26 <DrJoeTron> I think so
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> luke are they real?
01:26 <|Sticky|> luke are you american??
01:26 <luke-jr_work> what?
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> pygmies
01:26 <luke-jr_work> never heard of them
01:27 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy
01:27 <ghableska> |Sticky|: duh :P
01:27 <DrJoeTron> thats what it was! thanks Your_mom_arma 
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> he's american all right
01:27 <DrJoeTron> AMERIKKKA
01:27 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: shrug
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> but in america, we tolerate all god-fearing christians
01:28 <DrJoeTron> or the real american way is the A is silent
01:28 <|Sticky|> ive only ever heard americans talk about evolution with such ignorance
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> but that's it
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> do they have souls if they are real?
01:28 <DrJoeTron> 'Merica
01:28 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: if they're human
01:28 <DrJoeTron> MY CAT HAS A SOUL d:
01:28 <DrJoeTron> D;
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> well then dont want to catagorize them as homosapiens
01:28 <DrJoeTron> wait it doesnt matter
01:28 <luke-jr_work> you're all in a sad state of brainwashing
01:28 <DrJoeTron> because my cat is going to live forever
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> luckily for luke, he owes the freedom to hold his views without being cruelly tortured and murdered to the protestants that founded this country
01:29  * Lucifer_arma brainwashed himself
01:29 <ghableska> luke-jr_work: define "brainwashing"
01:29 <Your_mom_arma> luke does that make them not humans?
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> isn't it what happens when you get shampoo in your ear?
01:29 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: taught lies with such insistence you believe them
01:29 <|Sticky|> luke...brainwashed...i take it you were brought up a catholic, baptised and attended ceromonies since you were young right???
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I wasn't taught the lies I know.  I had to come up with them on my own.
01:29 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: man can err in categorizing species
01:29 <ghableska> that's religion
01:29 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: no
01:30 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: I converted a year or 2 ago
01:30 <|Sticky|> realy so you made a choice late in life?
01:30 <|Sticky|> what age?
01:30 <DrJoeTron> 47
01:30 <luke-jr_work> 19 I think
01:30 <DrJoeTron> :)
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> he's still a kid :)
01:30 <ghableska> heh
01:30 <Van-hayes> luke-jr: are you one of those born again christians?
01:30 <DrJoeTron> oh god thats right
01:30 <DrJoeTron> ewwwww
01:30 <DrJoeTron> EWWWWW
01:30 <|Sticky|> what prompted the converion?
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> he's worse, he's a born again catholic
01:30 <luke-jr_work> Van-hayes: There's only one kind of Christian
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> I never knew there was such a thing until I met him
01:30 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: facts, evidence, etc
01:30 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:30 <DrJoeTron> I love when irc is bumping with life
01:30 <|Sticky|> lol
01:31 <DrJoeTron> and its always the same conversations
01:31 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: me too,
01:31 <Your_mom_arma> joe it only bumps to life when we dicuss religion and politics
01:31 <DrJoeTron> yea!
01:31 <DrJoeTron> or to argue with luke-jr 
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, when we talk about arma this place dies
01:31 <DrJoeTron> which goes hand in hand
01:31 <Your_mom_arma> yanks suck mets suck nicks suck
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the easiest way to kill this place is to mention arma
01:31 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: too many arma people missing here
01:31 <DrJoeTron> krypton sucks
01:31 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> ummmmm
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> the room is full of arma people
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> I think GodTodd (hi there!) 's the only one here who's not really arma
01:32 <luke-jr_work> nemo, z-man, ph are never really here
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> who do you think [dlh] is?
01:32 <luke-jr_work> he's never really here
01:32 <DrJoeTron> dinosaurs like hats?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> and I was chatting with zman earlier
01:32 <luke-jr_work> maybe once or twice a week
01:32 <Your_mom_arma> im a developer for the game and so is luci we count for something
01:32 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: never said you didn't
01:33 <|Sticky|> luke seriously you have been fed some realy bad lies about evolution
01:33 <DrJoeTron> Im a cuddly little rascal
01:33 <DrJoeTron> I count
01:33 <luke-jr_work> I said there were too many missing, not a lack of people present
01:33 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: nope
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> I don't count, unless I have an antiderivative
01:33 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: take the moon. It's too close for life to have evolved on Earth
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> I am the Integrator!  I will integrate you!
01:34  * luke-jr_work probably did a crappy job summarizing that proof, but oh well
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, the moon is generally considered an important part of evolution
01:34 <|Sticky|> why is it too close??
01:34 <DrJoeTron> Im here to convince you to put resource sucking programs on your pc
01:34 <ghableska> wtf
01:34  * DrJoeTron hugs desktop earth
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:34 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: that would be details I'd need to look up :)
01:34 <luke-jr_work> when I get home
01:34 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: somewhere else, please
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> luci you stil believe in high tide
01:34 <luke-jr_work> and mail spidey's proof
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, because it makes the oceans kind of swish around
01:34 <|Sticky|> moths evolved to use the moon as a guideance system
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> thats never been proven
01:35 <DrJoeTron> don't be a prude ghableska 
01:35 <Your_mom_arma> right luke?
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I've only seen the ocean once, and I'm not even sure it wasn't just a big lake
01:35 <ghableska> it's for luke-jr :P
01:35 <DrJoeTron> look guys
01:35 <DrJoeTron> God is love
01:35 <DrJoeTron> love is blind
01:35 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: pretty sure it has, but I could be wrong there
01:35 <DrJoeTron> stevie wonder is blind
01:35 <luke-jr_work> DrJoeTron: God is also Holy
01:35 <DrJoeTron> stevie wonder is god
01:35 <DrJoeTron> God exsists
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> so I don't know that I believe in the ocean
01:35 <Your_mom_arma> luke do you believe in the ocean?
01:35 <luke-jr_work> sure
01:36 <Van-hayes> man, I see the ocean all the time, and there is such thing as high tide, it comes right after low tide
01:36  * ghableska feels like bringing up the link with the arguments for god's existence again
01:36 <luke-jr_work> used to swim in it :(
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> that would require the moon, though
01:36 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster
01:36 <Your_mom_arma> well why dont you believe in evolution?
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> and wouldn't that tend to mix up the chemicals and shit in the ocean?
01:36 <luke-jr_work> Your_mom_arma: it's fiction
01:36  * luke-jr_work wants to go home
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> you know, increase the possibility that certain substances would mix to create a self-replicating molecule?
01:37 <Van-hayes> if you leave, we win the arguement
01:37 -!- Van-hayes is now known as Vanhayes
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm.......
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> you need to reverse that
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> unless you want him to stay
01:37 <DrJoeTron> haha Vanhayes 
01:37 <luke-jr_work> dinner's ready in 15 min
01:37 <luke-jr_work> drive home is 20 min
01:37 <luke-jr_work> I'm gone
01:37 <luke-jr_work> ttyl
01:37  * ghableska celebrates
01:37 <luke-jr_work> and lack of a defense only is a win in court, not in reality
01:37 <Vanhayes> so your immortal soul is worth a wednesday night dinner?
01:38 <luke-jr_work> bye
01:38 <DrJoeTron> Logic 4 luke-jr -3
01:38  * Lucifer_arma doesn't celebrate, ttyl means "talk to you later"
01:38 <ghableska> hmmm
01:38 <ghableska> good point
01:38 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
01:38  * GodTodd goes to take a trig final which he isn't worried about since in the grand scheme of things he's going to hell anyway ;)
01:38 <DrJoeTron> my cat is going to heaven right guys?
01:38 <DrJoeTron> guys?
01:38 <DrJoeTron> :(
01:38 <ghableska> right
01:38 <GodTodd> joe: is it as much of a whore as you?
01:38 <GodTodd> if so, no
01:38 <GodTodd> :P
01:39 <DrJoeTron> :/
01:39 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr check the link i just posted
01:39 <GodTodd> god's a dog person :D
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> I eat god
01:39 <GodTodd> anyways....send all my love to luke if/when he comes back ;)
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also dysxicl
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> +e
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: do you want your cat to go to heaven?
01:40 <DrJoeTron> I want my cat to live forever :(
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, then you probably don't want him to go to heaven
01:40 <DrJoeTron> NO :(
01:41 <DrJoeTron> because he won't ever die :(
01:41 <DrJoeTron> right guys?
01:41 <Your_mom_arma> i dont know how to feel about that pirate article in joes link
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> heaven's just a big concentration camp, setup to destroy the faithful and punish them for their sins
01:41 <DrJoeTron> brb
01:41 <Your_mom_arma> apperently fewer pirates cause global warming
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> what pirate article?
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, the pastafarians
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> I forgot about the pirate doctrine
01:42 <Your_mom_arma> "Henderson put forth the argument that "global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of pirates since the 1800s.""
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, I'd intended to work on my pirate game, but luke took the bait this time and I had to stick around and try to create more chaos
01:43 <Your_mom_arma> so its just a mod to freeciv?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> my pirate game?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> no, I intend to write it from the ground up
01:44 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
01:44 <Your_mom_arma> oh
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> right now it's just a server that almost accepts a login
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> and a client that almost logs in
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> I decided to write the network layer first :)
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, now I have to work on dinner.  Unlike luke, I don't have an obedient and submissive wife to cook my meals for me.  Which is good, because my wife can't cook for shit.
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01:58 <Lucifer_arma> According to the author, he plans to use the proceeds from the sale of the book to build a pirate ship, with which he may travel the world in order to convert heathens to the Pastafarian religion
01:59 <DrJoeTron> ko
02:00 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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02:04 <DrJoeTron> hooray for thread shitting! http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121151&sid=182549e538214394c1d97425c9f5a59d#121151
02:07 <Your_mom_arma> can you not say bitching on the forums or did he just mistype it
02:08 <Your_mom_arma> im suprised alex is getting so pissed off about it seeing as how i've seen him be generaly disrespectful to both new players and veteran players
02:08 <DrJoeTron> should we post crap in it?
02:08 <DrJoeTron> seeing as its a crap thread and all
02:09 <Your_mom_arma> i've stopped visiting the arma forums, most of the posts are just rediculus
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02:09 <DrJoeTron> its time to change that, rather than ignore it
02:10 <DrJoeTron> http://67.37.179.152/imkool.gif this will suit just fine
02:10 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:10 <Your_mom_arma> i dont see how you would change it
02:12 <DrJoeTron> well I cant
02:12 <DrJoeTron> thats I say we get some actual mods
02:13 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121171#121171 done and done :)
02:14 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:14 <ghableska> :P
02:14 <Your_mom_arma> luci did the anti spammer software on the wiki stop working?
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, spam overall is just increasing
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> seems like every post is spam or tournament stuff
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> my email provider even had to revamp their spam protection
02:15 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:15 <DrJoeTron> come on
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> sure could use internet 2.0 about now
02:15 <DrJoeTron> maybe tank will let us be mods :)
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:15 <DrJoeTron> I mean look what its turning into
02:16 <DrJoeTron> its alwyas "I THINK DIS GUY IS GUY"
02:16 <DrJoeTron> GAy*
02:16 <Your_mom_arma> joe i think we're last resort material
02:16 <DrJoeTron> NO I NOT U DON EVEN NO HOW GHEY IS
02:16 <Your_mom_arma> so luci is it all 2d?
02:16 <DrJoeTron> I mean technically I'm a mog
02:16 <DrJoeTron> mod*
02:16 <DrJoeTron> but only for the lobster cage thread
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> is what all 2d?
02:17 <Your_mom_arma> the game your working on
02:17 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma get that rom working :)
02:17 <Your_mom_arma> we need to find an arma player who's a sprite designer/artist
02:17  * DrJoeTron *
02:18 <Your_mom_arma> did you try civ yet?
02:18 <DrJoeTron> Ive seen it played
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it'll probably be 2d.  The fundamental concepts are 2 dimensional, so 3d would just be for realism
02:18 <DrJoeTron> hmmm that reminds me
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> and 3d would probably quadruple development time :)
02:19 <Your_mom_arma> joe think you could put some polish(or wood filler) on the civ units we put up?
02:19 <DrJoeTron> http://www.flyinglab.com/pirates/beta.php 
02:20 <DrJoeTron> Ill give it my best
02:20 <DrJoeTron> I used to work with sprites alot
02:20 <DrJoeTron> and not just recoloring crap
02:21 <DrJoeTron> http://www.flyinglab.com/pirates/index.php ***
02:21 <Your_mom_arma> game sounds interesting
02:21 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to try and get an invite from a goon
02:22 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: Logic is on my side, dummy
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> only after you redefine it
02:24 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to be able to control the ship, give directions to gunners(ai/players), be a gunner, let another player sail the ship while you micromanage ai(you 9 bots man the cannons that bot i hate you go clean the ship so we dont get gangreen)
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking about introducing some RPG aspects
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> where your pirate crew has a set of stats, including their firing ability, loyalty, and so forth
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> so you wouldn't get to fire the cannons in that case, but you would get to order targets and even assign targets to each cannon
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> but the actual firing is done by the crewman, who has a rating that determines how good he is at it
02:26 <DrJoeTron> god damn
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> then I'd do a critical hit system, like we used to do back when we played devil-worshipping AD&D, where if you roll a natural 20, you get a nasty hit, ot just a hit
02:26 <DrJoeTron> #m guru3 the boards are going down the toilet :/
02:26 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The operation succeeded.
02:27 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to see players be able to be able to team up and have one ship
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> oh you just wait.  I ran into one of those DWH guys earlier and told him to go post on the forums
02:27 <Your_mom_arma> then as you progress split up so you have admirals and captains
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> I like players teaming up, not sure if I like having one ship between more than one player
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking players would have to declare their alliances at the beginning of combat, or when they enter combat if they interupt an already-in-progress battle
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> well say you me and joe have x money and need a boat to sail to x city, put our money together have luci sail while me and joe run around on the boat
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> so if you and I go in together against the spanish fleet, I can take a treasure ship and then turn on you and kill you and take all the gold :)
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, maybe you should check out how pirates worked historically :)
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't buy ships, really
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'd like something where your crew can be on the ship, now that you metnion it
02:29 <Your_mom_arma> im not saying it would be historically accurate more like a parrallel world
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> a scenario I came up with that I'd like to support involves a pirate attack where we all ram our ships against the other ships, then board
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> what happens when you have less sailable ships than players?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> there, now http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121171#121171 the magic begins
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> I guess to support that scenario, what you're wanting comes with it
02:30 <Your_mom_arma> most pirates split the gold up amongst the crew taking only a slightly larger portion then what any lesser individual takes
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> even back in the day
02:31 <DrJoeTron> let me see if I have civ installed
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02:31 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma, Your_mom_arma I expect you all to draw some cool pictures
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:31 <DrJoeTron> :/ its the rules
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> later
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> :)
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> I really need to get dinner going, I still haven't done that
02:34 <DrJoeTron> you know what
02:34 <DrJoeTron> I think for all shit threads
02:34 <DrJoeTron> I'm just going to write my response in mspaint
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> in the parrallel world i imagine pirates are more like bushido
02:41 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:41 <DrJoeTron> oh fuck
02:41 <DrJoeTron> 200gb hard drive for 54 bucks
02:41 <DrJoeTron> 2mb cache but still
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> and i'ld imagine the game would be like a mix of the newer battlefield games, secret of mana, and some generic rpg/rts based game mechanics
02:41 <DrJoeTron> if its for music stoarge its perfect
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> thats almost 25 cents a gig
02:41 <DrJoeTron> secret of mana
02:42 <DrJoeTron> good god
02:42 <DrJoeTron> http://3btech.net/whlamadate202.html
02:42 <DrJoeTron> they're hard drives built out of western digital parts
02:42 <DrJoeTron> and seagate and what not
02:42 <DrJoeTron> Gomes bought a few of them
02:43 <DrJoeTron> they've been running for a year now
02:43 <DrJoeTron> no problems
02:43 <Your_mom_arma> was about to say, looks like a website with questionable service
02:44 <DrJoeTron> I'm getting my brother one for christmas
02:44 <DrJoeTron> btw
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> i think my idea from a pirate game differs too much from luci's
02:44 <DrJoeTron> any one want a deep dish pizza from chicago?
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> er of a
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> gross
02:45 <DrJoeTron> this place sells frozen precooked ones that you can mail
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> new york style pizza ftw
02:45 <DrJoeTron> and its pretty amazing pizza
02:45 <DrJoeTron> a pox on Your_mom_arma !
02:46 <DrJoeTron> yeah, I bet you like eating cardboard ;d
02:46 <DrJoeTron> I bet you've never had chicago deep dish
02:46 <Your_mom_arma> im not allowed to have an oppinion on food that differs from joes
02:47 <DrJoeTron> thats right
02:47  * DrJoeTron crosses arms
02:47 <DrJoeTron> :/
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> the fact that you compare new york style to pizza proves you've never had a good one
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> er
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> wait that came out wrong
02:47 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:47 <DrJoeTron> its ok
02:48 <DrJoeTron> have you had it?
02:48 <DrJoeTron> chicago deep dish
02:48 <Your_mom_arma> i wouldnt be suprised if the local deep dish is better and vise versa
02:48 <DrJoeTron> what if I offered you one
02:48 <DrJoeTron> from chicago
02:48 <DrJoeTron> would you take it
02:49 <DrJoeTron> its really a different breed of pizza
02:49 <DrJoeTron> one that involves you losing years off of your life
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> not likely, i would try it if i ever went there though
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> don't take it, he'd have to ship it
02:49 <DrJoeTron> but you lose the suck years
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> which means it'll be moldy and cold by the time you get it
02:50 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:50 <DrJoeTron> they sell precooked frozen ones
02:50 <DrJoeTron> btw
02:50 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma your stuff is boxed up
02:50 <Your_mom_arma> frozen whitecastle isnt the same as the real thing
02:53 <DrJoeTron> I woke up with a clowns hand in my pants...Thats what I did today
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> gross?
02:54 <DrJoeTron> :( 
02:55 <Your_mom_arma> your not serious right?
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> creepy silence
02:57 <DrJoeTron> metalocalypse... 
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> the newer ones have been less notable for me
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> blood ocean
02:58 <DrJoeTron> that was meh
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> i've been dissapointes i just hope it starts to pick up again
02:59 <DrJoeTron> but the dr. rockso one was great
02:59 <Your_mom_arma> the first 4 where gold
02:59 <DrJoeTron> the first one was alright to me
02:59 <Your_mom_arma> they raised my hopes then they dashed them
02:59 <DrJoeTron> the birthday one is still my favorite one
02:59 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> joe care to explain wth they where thinking with assy mcgee
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> that custang guy just PMd me to ask me the normal cost of a server
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> I replied.  :)  "Cost of a PC and an internet connection"
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> nice haha
03:02 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma hey PM'd you too?
03:02 <Your_mom_arma> joe seemed like an hour long ass joke
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, I'm not the only one he's spamming?
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> Joe's a Turdist, clearly
03:02 <ghableska> haha
03:02 <DrJoeTron> what they were thinking with assy mcgee?
03:03 <DrJoeTron> they were thinking "we'll watch anything"
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> isn't there a song about him?  "Me and my assy mcgee"
03:03 <DrJoeTron> they are the next generation of hannah barbara cartoons
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, nothing, and my assy assy mcgee!"
03:03 <DrJoeTron> its all cartoons with one lame joke
03:03 <DrJoeTron> and they take it and run with it
03:05 <DrJoeTron> hey, how much does a normal server cost???
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if he's spamming zman with it too
03:06 <DrJoeTron> he is
03:06 <DrJoeTron> wait
03:06 <DrJoeTron> did he just repost
03:06 <DrJoeTron> ?
03:07 <Your_mom_arma> zman managed to run a half decent server on a 200mhz intel
03:07 <spidey> #last --with spidey
03:07 <armabot> spidey: [01:37:51] <luke-jr_work> and mail spidey's proof
03:07 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
03:07 <armabot> spidey: [03:10:31] <spidey> #last --with spidey, [01:37:51] <luke-jr_work> and mail spidey's proof, [00:59:58] <luke-jr_work> spidey: no, His mother isn't divine, [00:59:44] <luke-jr_work> spidey: yes He does, [00:52:57] <luke-jr_work> spidey: that's nonsense made up by anarchists, [00:51:05] <luke-jr_work> spidey: yeah, but you need to take a scientist's word that it's real science, [00:47:44] <luke-jr_work> spidey: (14 more messages)
03:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah really
03:08 <Your_mom_arma> whats wrong with anarchy?
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> I love the antichrist, put another dime in the jukebox baby!
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> anarchy works in a perfect world along with communism
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> anarchy leads to natural selection
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> which is known to be evil
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:10 <DrJoeTron> PINKO COMMIE
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> natural selection is powered by the forces of evil!
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> RED is the color of communism!
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> it is mere coincidence that it is the color of blood
03:10 <Your_mom_arma> natural selection leads to thinking about evolution so it must be
03:12 <DrJoeTron> RED is the color of your blood if you are communist!
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> lobsters are communist, joe
03:12 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr do you believe cockroaches can survive extreme radiation from nuclear sources?
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> you're not fooling anyone
03:12 <DrJoeTron> we're more of a brown :/
03:12 <DrJoeTron> untill we're cooked
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> then you're communist?
03:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah, we show our true colors
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> so are you saying that lobsters are Turdists until they're cooked, at which point they become communists?
03:13 <DrJoeTron> correct
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> can this be independently verified?
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> does it apply to crawfish?  If it does, then I can go down to papadeux and ask the crawfish in the tank if they're Turdists
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> then I can order one to eat, and ask it if it's communist!
03:14 <DrJoeTron> nah, crawfish are chill
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> I love the antichrist, so dunceanotherdoonanda don't say me!
03:15 <DrJoeTron> good god
03:15 <DrJoeTron> the video game awards still exsist?
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> wherever there are people, there will be people patting themselves on the back for mediocrity
03:17  * Lucifer_arma takes this opportunity to remind everyone he was a smeghead when he first posted on the boards, and he's still a smeghead
03:17 <ghableska> when did you first post?
03:19 <Your_mom_arma> im still a jerk
03:19  * ghableska doesn't post
03:19 <spidey> haha!
03:20 <spidey> they're advertising this game store and they called the other game stores "newbies"
03:20 <spidey> i got a kick out of that
03:20 <spidey> it was on the radio
03:20 <DrJoeTron> I'm still a jerk as well
03:20 <spidey> no you're not
03:20 <spidey> you're just a asshole
03:20 <spidey> or...a whole ass
03:20 <spidey> ;x
03:20 <DrJoeTron> now with 25% less spelling and grammar errors :)
03:21 <DrJoeTron> am I a pretty ass?
03:21 <spidey> no
03:21 <spidey> you're butt ass ugly
03:21 <spidey> you're like
03:22 <spidey> i dunno, but it's bad!
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> long time ago
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1011&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's not my first post, just the one I was thinking of
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> I still have the picture I drew, too.  :)  I think, hmmmm
03:23 <ghableska> nice responses ;)
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I think I still have it
03:23 <ghableska> have the link? :P
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/ik.JPG  <--- sabarai :)
03:24 <ghableska> hahaha
03:24 <DrJoeTron> OH GOD
03:24 <DrJoeTron> this reminds me
03:24 <DrJoeTron> when nicolus b was extremely drunl
03:24 <ghableska> "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
03:24 <ghableska> Rolling Eyes"
03:24 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: you've changed :)
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> not at all :)
03:24 <ghableska> heh
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd do it again, it was awesome
03:24 <DrJoeTron> he pm'd me and sent me a pictur with mega man and his dog doing bad things
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
03:25 <ghableska> haha
03:25 <DrJoeTron> it was very not mind safe
03:25 <DrJoeTron> I kept the pm
03:25 <DrJoeTron> but the picture ran away
03:25 <ghableska> oh?
03:26 <DrJoeTron> but the pm was titled mega ooooh! XXX
03:26 <ghableska> maybe your inbox is a prude
03:26 <DrJoeTron> :/ it was really creepy
03:26 <DrJoeTron> id look it up
03:26 <DrJoeTron> but I dont want google thinking less of me :
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, he's drawing her in color now
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> I'm so fucked
03:28 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:28 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 41.0°F (7:54 PM CST on December 13, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 35.6°F. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa. 
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2281
03:29 <DrJoeTron> looks like iceman's site is dead
03:29 <DrJoeTron> and parked
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2280  <--- that girl at the end, I'm in love with her
03:30 <ghableska> "libidoboost?"
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2273  <--- reminds me, I need to cook dinner, the meat's thawing right now
03:31 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
03:31 <DrJoeTron> anyone here read achewood?
03:32 <ghableska> no
03:33 <DrJoeTron> :/
03:33 <DrJoeTron> I miss mac hall 
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2261  <-- start here and read the next 5-6 strips
03:34 <spidey> #check position
03:34 <armabot> spidey: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
03:34 <spidey> #check posistion
03:35 <armabot> spidey: position
03:35 <ghableska> ...
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03:37 <DrJoeTron> http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=334 this will forever shine in my heart :)
03:38 <ghableska> O_o
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2244  -- luke-jr
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> er
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2244  <-- luke-jr
03:39 <DrJoeTron> http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF203-Bad_Apple.jpg#193 :D
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2235
03:42 <ghableska> lol
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2231
03:44 <ghableska> hahaha
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2224  <-- put this on a christmas card, send it to luke-jr (hi there!) 
03:46 <ghableska> nice
03:46 <ghableska> Don't fuck with Jesus :)
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2218  <--- damn, looks like he's restarting the love thread with her and slick
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2217  <--- haha
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I need to get caught up with sinfest
03:48 <DrJoeTron> http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF051AD-Colonel_Sweeto.jpg#120
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04:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2212
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2194
04:20 <spidey> OMG
04:20 <spidey> i hate CSS
04:20 <spidey> it's so fucking moody
04:20 <spidey> like
04:20 <spidey> you make one small change
04:20 <ghableska> o.0
04:20 <spidey> "FUCK YOU I DIDN'T LIKE THAT,NOW I'M JUST GONNA THROW THINGS IN RANDOM PLACES"
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2189 <-- hahaha, wonderslut
04:22 <ghableska> "I sex with you"
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2184  <--- always wondered how to pray
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2180 <--- haha, I love the god finger puppet thing
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2176
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> that last one's for luke
04:28 <spidey> #g 24.2% + 76.4%
04:28 <armabot> spidey: (24.2%) + (76.4%) = 1.00600
04:28 <spidey> er
04:28 <spidey> #g 24.2 + 76.4
04:28 <armabot> spidey: 24.2 + 76.4 = 100.6
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, that's more than 100%
04:28 <spidey> only by .6
04:29 <spidey> means i have to make my sidebar and content page smaller
04:29 <spidey> #g 24.2 + 66.4
04:29 <armabot> spidey: 24.2 + 66.4 = 90.6
04:29 <spidey> hm
04:30 <spidey> i have to make it smaller by
04:30 <spidey> 5.6%
04:30 <spidey> there we go
04:31 <spidey> now to figure out why i have a big ass gap between the header and the rest of it..
04:33 <spidey> that makes no sense
04:33 <spidey> ah
04:33 <spidey> i mixed up top: and height:
04:34 <spidey> so i got the wrong answer >.>
04:34 <GodTodd> spidey has a big ass gap?
04:34 <spidey> yea
04:34 <GodTodd> too much butt sex?
04:34 <spidey> it's DrJoeTron's fault
04:35 <ghableska> yeah, I warned him...
04:35 <GodTodd> nah...joe's a needle
04:37 <GodTodd> that's why i'm always the giver ;)
04:43 <spidey> i love how compatible percents and pixels are
04:43 <spidey> :(
04:45 <GodTodd> well...think about it...at different resolutions 1 pixel is a different percent of the screen
04:45 <spidey> ...
04:45 <spidey> i know that
04:46 <spidey> i got tired of messing with it
04:46 <spidey> so
04:46 <spidey> right: 1px;
04:46 <spidey> and fuck it
04:49 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: don't ever do that again
04:49 <spidey> DO IT!
04:49 <spidey> what'd he do?
04:50 <ghableska> heh
04:50 <ghableska> spidey: #realchatlogs
04:50 <luke-jr> btw, pixels and percentages are compatible-- but they're not a fixed multiple of each other, of course
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> what did I do?
04:51 <spidey> <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2176
04:51 <spidey> <Lucifer_arma> that last one's for luke
04:51 <spidey> that?
04:51 <luke-jr> he posted a comic link
04:51 <luke-jr> so I had to read it all
04:51 <luke-jr> just finished -.-
04:52 <spidey> LOL
04:52  * luke-jr has a lack of self-control when it comes to reading comics
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's a cool comic
04:52 <GodTodd> luke has no lack of wife-control, however
04:53 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: it still takes time to read
04:53 <spidey> luke-jr, what's the equivalent of right:  for IE?
04:53 <spidey> :p
04:53 <luke-jr> spidey: eh?
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> should I post a sexylosers link now?
04:53 <spidey> IE doesn't recognize right:
04:53 <luke-jr> so?
04:53 <spidey> alot of people still use IE :p
04:54 <luke-jr> you should almost never need to use 'right' or 'left'
04:54 <luke-jr> /ignore Lucifer_arma
04:54 <spidey> i do when the side bar is 150px and i need the content to fill the rest of it
04:54 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: yes
04:54 <spidey> and be liquid
04:54 <luke-jr> spidey: you should never specify the width of a sidebar in pixels
04:54 <spidey> well
04:55 <luke-jr> at 1000 dpi, 150px is TINY
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sexylosers.com/
04:55 <spidey> in big resolutions it's to big
04:55 <spidey> 'er
04:55 <spidey> to small
04:55 <luke-jr> and vice versa
04:55 <spidey> yea
04:55 <luke-jr> that's why we have em/ex units
04:55 <luke-jr> and percentages
04:55 <spidey> it looks fine at 1280x1024
04:55 <luke-jr> websites should look the same at any resolution
04:55 <luke-jr> if they look diff, it's a bug :p
04:56 <spidey> ..
04:56 <luke-jr> resolution/DPI control display quality, the content itself should never change
04:57 <spidey> well
04:57 <spidey> atleast IE does left:
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2151  <--- hail the magic 8 ball
04:57 <luke-jr> you shouldn't be using left
04:58 <spidey> i shouldn't use alot of things
04:58 <spidey> but i am
04:58 <luke-jr> :p
04:58 <luke-jr> float: left works nicely
04:59 <spidey> actually
04:59 <spidey> if i was using that
04:59 <spidey> it'd be float : right;
04:59 <spidey> because i want it more to the right
04:59 <spidey> ;p
04:59 <spidey> i had that at first
04:59 <spidey> but when i added something the whole thing fucked up, so i'm redoing it
05:00 <spidey> 'er
05:00 <luke-jr> well get rid of the pixels at least
05:00 <spidey> #g 75.4-14.6
05:00 <armabot> spidey: 75.4 - 14.6 = 60.8
05:01 <luke-jr> 75+25=100
05:01 <luke-jr> easy
05:01 <spidey> #g 100-14.6
05:01 <armabot> spidey: 100 - 14.6 = 85.4
05:01 <spidey> was 10 off ;/
05:01 <luke-jr> ...
05:01 <spidey> the width of the page =100%
05:01 <spidey> right?
05:01 <luke-jr> no
05:01 <spidey> yes
05:01 <luke-jr> 100% is the width of the parent element
05:02 <spidey> ...
05:02 <spidey> w/e
05:02 <luke-jr> so if you have a <div> with width 50% under body, it's 50% of the browser window's width
05:02 <luke-jr> a <div> beneath that at 50% is 25% of the browser window, or 50% of the parent <div>
05:03 <spidey> omg
05:03 <spidey> no shit?
05:03 <spidey> you can't be serious
05:03 <spidey> so if you have a <div> with width 50% under body, it's 50% of the browser window's width
05:03 <spidey> in other words
05:03 <spidey> the fucking browser width = 100%
05:04 <luke-jr> only for a <div> immediately under the body
05:05 <luke-jr> not for most elements
05:05 <spidey> ..
05:05 <spidey> you make a div layer
05:05 <spidey> give it a width of 100%
05:05 <spidey> how much of the browser window will it take up?
05:05 <luke-jr> depends where the div is
05:05 <spidey> ..
05:05 <luke-jr> wtf is a "layer"?
05:06 <spidey> 'er
05:06 <luke-jr> <body><div width=50%><div width=50% id=foo>
05:06 <luke-jr> foo takes up 25% of the browser window
05:06 <luke-jr> half of half
05:06 <luke-jr> btw, that's totally invalid XHTML and for example purposes only
05:06 <spidey> http://www.xentrik.net/css/layers.php
05:06 <spidey> read
05:07 <luke-jr> yeah, ok so this random website made up the term 'layers' for divs
05:08 <spidey> http://www.kirenai.net/divs/
05:08 <spidey> http://aspalliance.com/1060_How_to_Popup_a_Window_Using_DIV_Layer_in_ASPNET_1x2x
05:08 <spidey> should i keep going?
05:08 <luke-jr> yay, more random non-authoritative sites
05:08 <luke-jr> at least the second one doesn't recommend pixels
05:09 <luke-jr> Your search - "div layer" site:w3.org - did not match any documents. 
05:10 <GodTodd> heh....luke will not take unverifiable evidence as proof of something? i call hypocrite
05:10 <ghableska> I'm going to bed.
05:10 <luke-jr> pretty sure hypocrit doesn't have an e
05:10 <ghableska> #night
05:10 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
05:10 <luke-jr> ...but I'm wrong
05:10 <luke-jr> oh well
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05:11 <GodTodd> *gasp* luke is wrong?
05:11 <GodTodd> say it ain't so!
05:12 <GodTodd> #dict hypocrite
05:12 <armabot> GodTodd: easton, wn, devils, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: hypocrite n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold [syn: {dissembler}, {phony}, {phoney}, {pretender}]; easton: Hypocrite one who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler in religion. Our Lord severely rebuked the scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy (Matt. 6:2, 5, 16). "The (6 more messages)
05:12 <GodTodd> #dict hypocrit
05:12 <armabot> GodTodd: No definition for "hypocrit" could be found.
05:13 <GodTodd> ahhh...but they need to add it...cuz we cannot have luke be wrong about anything
05:15 <spidey> lol
05:16 <GodTodd> luke...i'm still waiting for your divine civilization wisdom as to what i should be doing with my cities
05:16 <spidey> omg
05:16 <spidey> no
05:16 <spidey> DO NOT LISTEN TO LUKE
05:16 <GodTodd> i cannot do anything until you tell me what to do
05:16 <spidey> he sucks at that game
05:16 <spidey> did i say that outloud?
05:16 <luke-jr> you should meet me
05:16 <luke-jr> and give me all your stuff
05:16 <GodTodd> heh...he questioned my actions so i figure he must be the best there is at it and i need to do whatever he says
05:16 <spidey> no, give ME all your stuff
05:17 <GodTodd> ok...done...i quit
05:17 <GodTodd> :)
05:17 <spidey> give them to me
05:17 <spidey> fuck luke
05:17 <luke-jr> GodTodd: I didn't question anything
05:17 <GodTodd> ummm no...*you* fuck luke
05:17 <spidey> lol
05:17 <GodTodd> #last --from luke --with eiffel
05:17 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 21280 messages.
05:17 <GodTodd> bah
05:18 <GodTodd> yeah you did you lying fuck
05:18 <spidey> LOL
05:18 <spidey> don't listen to luke
05:18 <spidey> besides
05:18 <spidey> he always loses
05:19 <GodTodd> i will *not* be called a liar by someone who has no idea what truth is
05:19 <spidey> AMEN!
05:19 <spidey> :))
05:19 <luke-jr> so I'm the only one allowed to call you a liar?
05:19 <GodTodd> what is truth, moron?
05:19 <spidey> EW
05:20 <spidey> I KNOW
05:20 <luke-jr> God
05:20 <spidey> PICK ME, PICK ME
05:20 <GodTodd> yeah...my god is truth
05:20 <spidey> luke-jr, you made a 0%
05:20 <spidey> sorry
05:20 <GodTodd> i will go with that
05:20 <spidey> you failed
05:20 <spidey> MY TURN
05:20 <spidey> the truth is
05:20 <spidey> luke-jr is the sux
05:21 <GodTodd> no...luke is a little boy trying to pose as a man
05:21 <spidey> lol
05:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:21 <GodTodd> that's why he needs a wife and god to control his life
05:21 <spidey> omg
05:21 <spidey> he's gonna kick todd
05:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b %GodTodd!*@*] by luke-jr
05:21 <spidey> abuse of powers
05:21 <@luke-jr> nah, just mute him for a bit
05:22 <@luke-jr> not abuse of powers
05:22 <spidey> btw
05:22 <spidey> todd
05:22 <spidey> change your real name
05:22 <@luke-jr> hah
05:22 <spidey> you'll get back in :)
05:22 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b %GodTodd!*@*] by luke-jr
05:23 <GodTodd> what have i done that is kickable or mutable?
05:23 <GodTodd> you mute those who challenge you?
05:23 <@luke-jr> I mute those who are verbally abusive to an excess
05:23 <GodTodd> such as?
05:23 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:23 <spidey> luke-jr, be mature
05:24 <spidey> learn to use your /ignore
05:24 <GodTodd> oh, yeah....he doesn't need proof
05:24 <spidey> oh wait
05:24 <spidey> nvm, i forgot
05:24 <spidey> ;x
05:24 <GodTodd> the truth offends apparently
05:24 <luke-jr> no, your lies and abuse do
05:24 <GodTodd> what lies?
05:24 <GodTodd> what abuse?
05:24 <luke-jr> now cut that crap out
05:24 <GodTodd> cut what out?
05:25 <luke-jr> stop playing/being stupid
05:25 <spidey> GodTodd, you denying his god is real
05:25 <GodTodd> show me what i'm supposed to stop
05:25 <spidey> it's mentally abusive!
05:25 <luke-jr> stop playing/being stupid
05:25 <GodTodd> i'm not playing
05:25 <GodTodd> and i'm not being stupid
05:25 <GodTodd> i'm telling it like it is
05:25 <GodTodd> and you have yet to show me how i'm lying
05:26 <spidey> to bad Lucifer_arma isn't here
05:26 <spidey> he'd sure abuse luke for the hell of it
05:26 <spidey> :))
05:26 <GodTodd> i want to know how anything i've said is worse than anyone else
05:26 <GodTodd> now
05:26 <GodTodd> or i will call abuse of power
05:26 <luke-jr> did I say it was much worse than anyone else?
05:27 <GodTodd> then why was i muted?
05:27 <luke-jr> only reason spidey wasn't muted was because he's made it clear he doesn't mean it
05:27 <luke-jr> and you were the only other one at that particular time doing it
05:27 <GodTodd> and the others?
05:27 <GodTodd> before?
05:27 <GodTodd> or is this a "punishment window"?
05:27 <luke-jr> you hadn't pushed my patience before
05:27 <GodTodd> if so, you might want to post the hours on the topic
05:28 <GodTodd> the truth pushes your patience?
05:28 <luke-jr> just stfu and learn your lesson
05:28 <GodTodd> no
05:28 <spidey> LOL!
05:28 <spidey> OMG!
05:28 <GodTodd> my lesson is what?
05:28 <spidey> i loved that!
05:28 <GodTodd> to not challenge luke?
05:28 <GodTodd> fuck that
05:28 <luke-jr> to not be verbally abusive
05:28 <GodTodd> show how i was verbally abusive
05:29 <spidey> to bad it's only chat, i'm sure it'd be physically abusive otherwise!
05:29 <GodTodd> show how i was verbally abusive
05:29 <luke-jr> [Thu Dec 14 2006] [04:18:30] <GodTodd>  ummm no...*you* fuck luke
05:29 <luke-jr> [Thu Dec 14 2006] [03:53:46] <GodTodd>  luke has no lack of wife-control, however
05:29 <luke-jr> [Thu Dec 14 2006] [04:21:57] <GodTodd>  no...luke is a little boy trying to pose as a man
05:29 <spidey> SHIT! MY MUTE BUTTON ISN'T WOR...(drop kick)
05:29 <GodTodd> the first wasn't even directed at you
05:30 <luke-jr> [Sun Dec 10 2006] [06:11:20] <GodTodd>  heh luke's an ass
05:30 <luke-jr> [Sun Dec 10 2006] [06:12:52] <GodTodd>  ok...amend that....luke's an ass that can't formulate a complete intelligent sentence in response to anyone
05:30 <GodTodd> yeah....that's the worst that anyone has said about you
05:30 <GodTodd> right...
05:30 <luke-jr> nah, that's just all grep finds easily
05:31 <GodTodd> i'm being persecuted
05:31 <spidey> omfg
05:31 <spidey> will ANYONE ever learn
05:31 <spidey> this is the internet
05:31 <spidey> this is chat
05:31 <GodTodd> my beliefs are getting me "punished"....i'm being persecuted
05:31 <GodTodd> spidey: i'm aware of that...it's luke that is "exerting control" on a chat room
05:31 <luke-jr> if so, at least your beliefs are wrong and as such have no rights
05:32 <GodTodd> prove they're wrong?
05:32 <GodTodd> and btw that's verbal abuse
05:32 <GodTodd> mute yourself
05:32 <luke-jr> which one?
05:32 <spidey> lol!
05:32 <luke-jr> you're the one claiming persecution right now
05:32 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> if so, at least your beliefs are wrong and as such have no rights
05:32 <GodTodd> that's abusicve
05:32 <GodTodd> abusive*
05:32 <luke-jr> no, that's plain fact
05:33 <GodTodd> so were my statements
05:33 <spidey> so
05:33 <spidey> if
05:33 <spidey> i say
05:33 <luke-jr> nope
05:33 <GodTodd> yep
05:33 <spidey> you're blind and ignarent
05:33 <DrJoeTron> ...
05:33 <spidey> i'm telling a plain fact?
05:33 <luke-jr> nope, cuz it's not true
05:33 <luke-jr> [Wed Dec 13 2006] [06:14:18] <luke-jr>  GodTodd: wtf... Eiffel Tower??
05:33 <luke-jr> [Wed Dec 13 2006] [06:16:00] <GodTodd>  what of it?
05:33 <luke-jr> [Wed Dec 13 2006] [06:19:55] <luke-jr>  never seen anyone seriously consider it
05:33 <luke-jr> a priority before, :p
05:33 <GodTodd> no...because it's against luke's beliefs
05:34 <GodTodd> <luke-jr> [Wed Dec 13 2006] [06:14:18] <luke-jr>  GodTodd: wtf... Eiffel Tower??
05:34 <spidey> of course
05:34 <GodTodd> and that's not a question?
05:34 <luke-jr> no, that's an exclamation
05:34 <GodTodd> then why the question marks?
05:34 <GodTodd> ! is an exclamation mark
05:35 <luke-jr> two question marks :p
05:35 <GodTodd> so that proves i wasn't lying and you were
05:36  * GodTodd edits Strunk & White because apparently ??==!
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr eats shit and likes it
05:37 <GodTodd> watch out?? you'll get muted??
05:38 <DrJoeTron> wow??
05:38 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd?? Look out??
05:39 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:39 -!- luke-jr changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2.1 has been released?? | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html
05:39 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:39 <DrJoeTron> ahahaha
05:39 <DrJoeTron> that's great??
05:39 <GodTodd> luke-jr: have you muted Lucifer_arma yet?
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v [NP]Tangent] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v [Xpert]DarkStar] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v armabot] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v guru3] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v j0h4nn3s] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr_work] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v mkzelda] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Plazma] by luke-jr
05:40 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by luke-jr
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v wrtlprnft] by luke-jr
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v z-man-work] by luke-jr
05:41 <+spidey> guru3, luke-jr's abusing op
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
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05:42 <+luke-jr> wow, laggy??
05:42 <+spidey> you guys "could" use /notice
05:42 <+spidey> /notice #armagetron whatever
05:42 <+luke-jr> am not
05:43 <+luke-jr> wb
05:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o DrJoeTr0n] by luke-jr
05:43 <@luke-jr> or luci could just voice em
05:43 <@luke-jr> or -m
05:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Lucifer_arma] by DrJoeTr0n
05:43  * luke-jr wonders if this is even getting through
05:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v GodTodd] by DrJoeTr0n
05:43 <@DrJoeTr0n> let them speak!
05:44 -!- DrJoeTr0n is now known as DrJoeTron
05:44 <+GodTodd> anyway...as said before....luke has no control in his real life so has to exert what little he has here
05:44 <+GodTodd> heh
05:44 <@DrJoeTron> we settle this like gentleman
05:44 <@luke-jr> can anyone hear me?
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05:45 <+GodTodd> and how can you "hear" on a chat window?
05:45 <+spidey> text to speach?
05:45 <+spidey> duh
05:45 <+GodTodd> but, no, *i'm* the stupid one
05:45 <@DrJoeTron> stoopid :P
05:46 <+GodTodd> at least i finally got luke to overreact :)
05:46 <+GodTodd> i'm very proud of that :D
05:46 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-246-32.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit]
05:46 <+GodTodd> quitter
05:47 <@DrJoeTron> I havent replied spidey 
05:47 <+spidey> ghey
05:47 <+spidey> you should have kickbanned luke ;x
05:47 <@DrJoeTron> karma said not to
05:47 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-246-32.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
05:47 <+spidey> karma lies
05:47 <+GodTodd> no...luke is a little boy trying to pose as a man
05:48 <+spidey> AMEN BRUTHA!
05:48 <+spidey> ;x
05:48 <@DrJoeTron> I actually want this position to silence the chitlins who come in here
05:48 <+GodTodd> that's what started it all :D
05:48 <@DrJoeTron> like Canada
05:48 <+GodTodd> which was right after spidey had "verbally abused" him as well
05:48 <+spidey> i'm allowed to
05:49 <+spidey> what i say makes no sense anyways
05:49 <+spidey> so booya
05:49 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
05:49 <+spidey> haha!
05:49 <@luke-jr> spidey: hi
05:49 <+spidey> luke can't talk
05:49 <+spidey> ;x
05:49 <+GodTodd> ahh...so because i make sense he gets pissed
05:49 <+spidey> oh
05:49 <+spidey> ;/
05:49 <+GodTodd> i get it
05:49 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:49 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
05:49 <@DrJoeTron> oh right
05:49 <+luke-jr> finally the lag is gone?
05:49 <@DrJoeTron> haha sorry
05:49  * luke-jr appoints DrJoeTron moderator of the hour
05:49 <+spidey> what lag?
05:50 <+luke-jr> spidey: the lag only affecting me apparently
05:50 <@DrJoeTron> huzzah!
05:50 <+luke-jr> started when I voiced everyone
05:50 <+spidey> must be affecting only you
05:50 <@DrJoeTron> hey whats the password for op
05:50 <+spidey> ..
05:50 <+luke-jr> spidey: yeah, that's what I said
05:50 <+spidey> there isn't a password
05:50 <+spidey> nub
05:50 <+luke-jr> DrJoeTron: ... there is no pass
05:50 <+luke-jr> lol
05:50 <@DrJoeTron> ah
05:50 <@DrJoeTron> ok
05:51 <+luke-jr> so DrJoeTron
05:51 <@DrJoeTron> yo
05:51 <+luke-jr> is GodTodd being mean to me?
05:51 <@DrJoeTron> you're all being mean
05:51 <+spidey> wtf you mean
05:51 <+GodTodd> btw luke...go ahead and ai me in your game
05:51 <+spidey> being "mean" to luke is like a motto
05:51 <+spidey> it's necassary
05:52 <@DrJoeTron> I cant really judge either
05:52 <@DrJoeTron> seeing as I started paying attention 20 minutes ago
05:52 <@DrJoeTron> by the time I paid any attention you were both incredibly nasty
05:53 <+luke-jr> what you say??
05:53 <+spidey> suck up
05:53 <@DrJoeTron> how is that sucking up?
05:53 <+spidey> be a man!
05:53 <@DrJoeTron> more like sucking down
05:53 <+spidey> join the fight against luke!
05:53 <+luke-jr> GodTodd: no
05:53 <+luke-jr> AI yourself noob
05:53 <@DrJoeTron> hey, I'm the neutral guy,
05:53 <+Lucifer_arma> dfdf
05:53 <+GodTodd> luke-jr: fine, whatever you want i ain't playing it again
05:53 <+luke-jr> df -h
05:53 <@DrJoeTron> should I die, tell my wife I said, hello
05:53 <+spidey> there is no such thing as nutural
05:53 <+GodTodd> and please quit verbally abusing me
05:53 <+spidey> either you're a shark
05:54 <+Lucifer_arma> luke-jr sucks down
05:54 <+spidey> or a guppy
05:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v spidey] by DrJoeTron
05:54 <+luke-jr> haha
05:54 <+luke-jr> he had that coming :x
05:54 <@DrJoeTron> guppy
05:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by DrJoeTron
05:54 <+spidey> pwn
05:55 <@DrJoeTron> I'm more like the firsherman
05:55 <@DrJoeTron> ;p
05:55 <+spidey> fisherman gets pwnt by great white
05:55 <+spidey> haven't you ever seen jaws?
05:55 <+luke-jr> GodTodd: whynot?
05:55 <+spidey> dun.....dun....dundundundun
05:55 <+spidey> PWNED NOOB
05:55 <+GodTodd> why not what?
05:55 <@DrJoeTron> #rules
05:55 <+armabot> A web variant of the english language in which letters are replaced with numbers and/or symbols that approximate letters. Though its use is considered cool in certain gaming or hacking communities, it's use here is frowned upon except in a strictly satirical sense. Talking like this was cool when you were 8 and used AOL. Figure it out.
05:56 <@DrJoeTron> that does need to be a little revised
05:56 -!- LukeEatsShit [n=dave@adsl-69-149-24-182.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #armagetron
05:56 <+spidey> PWN PWN PWN PWN
05:56 <+spidey> ZOMG I SAID PWN
05:56 <+spidey> lets like
05:56 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v spidey] by DrJoeTron
05:56 -!- LukeEatsShit [n=dave@adsl-69-149-24-182.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #armagetron []
05:56 <+GodTodd> luke-jr: please specify what you are speaking of when addressing me, good sir.
05:57 <@DrJoeTron> alright Im outta here
05:57  * Lucifer_arma would like to point out his new avatar
05:57 <+luke-jr> DrJoeTron: you got 2 more minutes :p
05:57 <+Lucifer_arma> which pretty much sums up my entire attitude
05:57 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v spidey] by DrJoeTron
05:57  * luke-jr notes most IRC clients don't support avatars
05:57 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o DrJoeTron] by DrJoeTron
05:57 <+Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121231#121231
05:57  * Lucifer_arma notes he wasn't talking about an irc avatar in case any dumbshit thought he was
05:58 <+spidey> haha
05:58 <+spidey> i just found a way to crash xchat :D
05:58  * luke-jr notes Lucifer_arma is the idiot who referred to an avatar in IRC
05:58 <+spidey> keep being mean to me joe ;x
05:58 <+Lucifer_arma> abusing luke-jr?
05:58  * GodTodd gasps...that could be construed as verbally abusive?? ;)
05:58 <+spidey> omg
05:58 <+spidey> he said idiot
05:58  * Lucifer_arma points out that something in an action can't be considered verbal unless it's explicitly stated so.
05:58 <+spidey> REMOVE HIS VOICE
05:59  * luke-jr said nothing of the sort
05:59 <+luke-jr> :)
05:59 <+spidey>  luke-jr notes Lucifer_arma is the idiot who referred to an avatar in IRC
05:59 <+spidey> logs don't lie
05:59 <+Lucifer_arma> luke-jr can't take away my voice, I'm the only one around who who even infrequently takes his side in anything
05:59  * luke-jr notes he didn't say it
06:00 <+GodTodd> stfu and learn your lesson
06:00 <+Lucifer_arma> [22:59] * Lucifer_arma points out that something in an action can't be considered verbal unless it's explicitly stated so.
06:00 -!- Arma464 [n=caadb73a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
06:00 <+Lucifer_arma> ironically, the person most abused around here is probably spidey
06:00 <+Lucifer_arma> but he's not dumb enough to take it personally and go nuclear in here
06:00 <+spidey> LOL
06:00 -!- Arma464 [n=caadb73a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
06:00 <+spidey> i don't care
06:00 <+spidey> because
06:00 <+spidey> wait...
06:00  * luke-jr doesn't consider temporary +q/+m nuclear
06:00 <+Lucifer_arma> at least, he's the person I abuse the most
06:01 <+spidey> it's the INTERNET
06:01 <+spidey> omg
06:01 -!- custang [n=caadb73a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
06:01 <+spidey> no way
06:01 <+spidey> um
06:01 <+spidey> btw
06:01 <+Lucifer_arma> oh good, custang is here to ask luke-jr (hi there!) to host a server for him
06:01 <+spidey> freenode doesn't have +q
06:01 <+luke-jr> yes it does
06:01 <+spidey> +q = admin
06:01 <+luke-jr> +q = silenced
06:01 <+spidey> no
06:02 <+spidey> freenode is gay with permissions and modes
06:02 <+GodTodd> no...custang can't ask for a server cuz he cannot speak ;)
06:02 <+spidey> this is a custom server
06:02 <+spidey> it's not a default
06:02 <+spidey> so
06:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
06:02 <+spidey> +q = admin
06:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v custang] by luke-jr
06:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v DrJoeTron] by luke-jr
06:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o custang] by luke-jr
06:02 <+Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, he can't because luke (cockeater)-jr (hi there!) said he couldn't
06:02 <+spidey> hey genius
06:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
06:02 <@custang> hMMM whats happening lol
06:02 <+spidey> you don't have to op yourself everytime
06:02 <+Lucifer_arma> he opped custang
06:02 <+luke-jr> spidey: +q doesn't exist in any standard IRC definition
06:03 <+Lucifer_arma> smooth move ex-lax, you opped custang
06:03 <+spidey> yes it does
06:03 <+Lucifer_arma> custang, do "/kick luke (cockeater)-jr"
06:03 <+spidey> irc noob
06:03 <+luke-jr> I know I did
06:03 <+luke-jr> spidey: no, you're the noob
06:03 <@custang> lol why
06:03 <+spidey> you're the irc noob
06:03 <+Lucifer_arma> because it's fun :)
06:03 <+luke-jr> nope
06:03 <+spidey> custang, we'll give you a dollar
06:03 <+luke-jr> I've been on IRC for years
06:03 <+spidey> luke-jr, i've been longer
06:03 <+luke-jr> liar
06:03 <@custang> dollar for what
06:03 <+spidey> am not
06:03 <+Lucifer_arma> you'll generate so much warmth and fuzziness here, we might actually answer your question seriously
06:04 <+luke-jr> IRC channel modes are: tnsipmklov
06:04 <+luke-jr> no q
06:04 <+spidey> custang, type /kick luke-jr
06:04 <+spidey> it means you're cool
06:04 <@custang> lol it kicks him
06:04 <+spidey> luke-jr, no shit???????
06:04 <+spidey> OMG
06:04 <+spidey> what did i just say
06:04 <+spidey> noo
06:04 <+spidey> noob
06:04 <+Lucifer_arma> yes, and it's funnier than shit, please please do it!
06:04 <+Lucifer_arma> he won't hate you for it
06:04 <+spidey> freenode doesn't have +q
06:04 -!- luke-jr was kicked from #armagetron by custang [custang]
06:04 <+spidey> because freenode isn't "standard irc"
06:04 <+Lucifer_arma> awesome
06:05 <+Lucifer_arma> thank you :)
06:05 <@custang> lol????
06:05 <+spidey> now
06:05 <+spidey> do this
06:05 <+spidey> /mode #armagetron +b *!*luke@*!*
06:05 <+spidey> /mode #armagetron +b *!*luke*!*@*!*
06:05 <+spidey> do that
06:05 <+spidey> :)
06:05 <@custang> slol why hats it do
06:05 <+spidey> lol!
06:05 <@custang> whats it do *
06:05 <+spidey> ban him ;x
06:06 <+spidey> 'er
06:06 <@custang> :0 im not that mean
06:06 <+Lucifer_arma> no, don't ban him
06:06 <+spidey> i mean invites him back
06:06 <+Lucifer_arma> no /op Lucifer_arma
06:06 <+spidey> oh yea
06:06 <+Lucifer_arma> er
06:06 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-246-32.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
06:06 <+spidey> lol!!
06:06 <+Lucifer_arma> *now /op Lucifer_arma
06:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ
06:06 <+spidey> lol!!!!
06:06 <@luke-jr> Luci op yourself
06:06 <@custang> lol why am i like admin here???
06:06 <@luke-jr> lazy
06:06 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by luke-jr
06:06 <+Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=121241#121241
06:07 <+Lucifer_arma> because luke (cockeater) really and truly is a dumbshit
06:07 <@custang> luke-jr theytold me to kick ya :|
06:07 <@luke-jr> I know they did, I'm not blind
06:07 <@custang> ok GUYS I GTG BYE ALL
06:07 <+GodTodd> testy, luke?
06:07 <+Lucifer_arma> bye, and thanks
06:07 <@custang> XD
06:07 -!- custang [n=caadb73a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC"]
06:07 <+Lucifer_arma> he just made my day with that :)
06:07 <@luke-jr> luci op yourself, don't have the noob do it for you
06:08 <@luke-jr> /msg chanserv op #armagetron
06:08 <+Lucifer_arma> ahh, but my post wouldn't have been nearly as funny
06:08 <+spidey> luci try /msg chanserv op #armagetron Lucifer_arma 
06:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
06:08 <@Lucifer_arma> hey, why did that work?
06:08 <@luke-jr> cuz you're on the access list?
06:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v [NP]Tangent] by Lucifer_arma
06:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v [Xpert]DarkStar] by Lucifer_arma
06:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v armabot] by Lucifer_arma
06:08 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v DrJoeTron] by Lucifer_arma
06:08 <@luke-jr> no harm in +v, but whatever
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v GodTodd] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v guru3] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v j0h4nn3s] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v luke-jr] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v luke-jr_work] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v mkzelda] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v Plazma] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v spidey] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v wrtlprnft] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 <@Lucifer_arma> guru3 said we shouldn't leave the channel like that for some reason
06:09 <@Lucifer_arma> he said leave it unmoderated with nobody having voice
06:09 <@Lucifer_arma> I suspect it's a personal preference, but he'll just come back and do it anyway
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v z-man-work] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr
06:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
06:09 <luke-jr> shrug
06:09 <luke-jr> I'm going to bed\
06:10 <luke-jr> #anime is my preference on the matter
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> y'all did read my post in custang's newest thread, right?  :)
06:10 <spidey> yea
06:11  * GodTodd will just lurk and read so as to not offend almighty luke anymore.
06:11 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
06:11 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o GodTodd] by Lucifer_arma
06:12 <@Lucifer_arma> first, we take this channel.  Then we'll take the world!
06:12 <@GodTodd> haha
06:12 <spidey> now
06:12 <spidey> here is my proof
06:12 <spidey> luke is a irc noob
06:12 <spidey> is was wrong
06:12 <spidey> q <nickname>	Channel	Unreal	Owner. Marks the user as channel owner.
06:13 <spidey> http://webtoman.com/opera/panel/ircdmodes.html
06:13 <spidey> there
06:13 <spidey> you're prooved wrong
06:13 <@GodTodd> no...cuz that's an unverifiable source
06:13 <spidey> bs
06:13 <@GodTodd> which doesn't work for anything but religion
06:13 <spidey> he can't say that this time
06:13 <@Lucifer_arma> well, maybe he's an IRCist?
06:13 <@Lucifer_arma> did you consider that?
06:14 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o GodTodd] by Lucifer_arma
06:14 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
06:14 <spidey> you guys should join #anime and harrass the fuck out of luke
06:15 <GodTodd> heh...my night is made...i got to him this time :D
06:16 <GodTodd> he's just too damn fun to fuck with
06:16 <GodTodd> :/
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> Additions to these classes are 'channel owner' (mode 'q') created by Microsoft in its IRCX implementation (and later used by UnrealIrcd);
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
06:16 <GodTodd> it's like masturbation...you have to keep doing it even if it starts hurting.
06:16 <luke-jr> spidey: pwn
06:17 <spidey> so?
06:17 <luke-jr> 'night
06:17 <spidey> freenode is the onlyone without it
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> Most IRC networks feature a lot of extra modes not specified in any RFC document. This is a very simple feat for clients to adapt to since a list of all the valid user and channelmodes are sent to clients in the RPL_MYINFO reply upon logon. In addition, the list of channelmodes (and what type of arguments they accept), and the prefixes for class modes are specified in the protocol control reply (RPL_PROTOCTL or 005) sent
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> from most IRC servers when a client connects.
06:19 <spidey> i'ma go sleep
06:23 <GodTodd> is that allowed?
06:24  * Lucifer_arma gives spidey +s
06:25 <GodTodd> hrmm...i guess luke didn't like that i pointed out that he likes to be controlled
06:25 <GodTodd> who would have guessed? ;)
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> he must be stressed out at work or something
06:27 <GodTodd> heh
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget I managed to successfully bait him earlier today, and that was like the second time in a week
06:27 <GodTodd> that's true
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> so, something's eating him
06:27 <GodTodd> maybe he's seeing the truth :D
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> and unfortunately it's not me
06:28 <GodTodd> eat me ;)
06:28 <GodTodd> haha
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I told some kid that if he did something, I'd eat him.  I don't remember what the thing was, though.
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I just remember his reaction.  Apparently kids are more afraid of being eaten than anything else.
06:29 <GodTodd> ahahah
06:29 <GodTodd> not when they're < a year
06:29 <GodTodd> my youngest likes when i eat parts of him
06:29 <GodTodd> like feet, hands, etc.
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> how many times have you eaten his hands?
06:33 <GodTodd> hundreds
06:33 <GodTodd> fuckers keep groing back
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:33 <GodTodd> growing*
06:33 <GodTodd> :)
06:34 <GodTodd> damn....shouldn't have pissed luke off....need him to pray that i get a 49 or better on my trig final
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> what do you expect to have happen?  God changes the answers on your test to get you a 49?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> does God help students cheat on their tests?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> if so, will he help you cheat on the entrance exam to heaven?
06:35 <GodTodd> i hope so...cuz if i get a 95 i pull an A
06:36 <GodTodd> anywhere from 49-94 and i get a B
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> here's a problem for you to mull around :)
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> a thread whose purpose is to know about sockets reads from the socket and converts the information into a nEvent
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> nEvent is a base class.  nEvents are managed by nManager
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> nManager doesn't know about sockets and doesn't care, but the thread I mentioned is a member of nManager
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> so, the main program loop calls nManager.pump() so nManager can work his event list, you know, reading the events and dispatching them
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> so that gets information from the socket, right?
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> now, time to put information into the socket
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> the socket is SOCK_DGRAM, which means you have one socket for all clients connected, rather than a socket for each client (which is what you do with tcp)
06:38 -!- zmanuel [n=manuel@p50873818.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> so, nManager knows only about nEvents
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, zmanuel (hi there!) , just the person to read this
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> so, nManager needs a way to take a game event and turn it into an nEvent, and the nEvent needs a way to know how to say where it's going
06:39 <zmanuel> nManager and nEvents?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> because it could be a private message from one person to another in chat
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, let me repeat myself real quick :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> here's a problem for you to mull around :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> a thread whose purpose is to know about sockets reads from the socket and converts the information into a nEvent
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> nEvent is a base class.  nEvents are managed by nManager
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> nManager doesn't know about sockets and doesn't care, but the thread I mentioned is a member of nManager
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> so, the main program loop calls nManager.pump() so nManager can work his event list, you know, reading the events and dispatching them
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> so that gets information from the socket, right?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> now, time to put information into the socket
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> the socket is SOCK_DGRAM, which means you have one socket for all clients connected, rather than a socket for each client (which is what you do with tcp)
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then what I said after you got here is next
06:42 <zmanuel> Hmm, the UDP read operation gives you the source address, the address the packet came from.
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> right, that's used to create the nEvent when you read
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> but when you're sending, I'm not seeing where that particular piece of information is what you need
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> nManager has a list of connections, nUsers
06:43 <zmanuel> and what is the problem?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> nUser has the information that uniquely identifies a connection
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's a question of level of abstraction :)  I see several solution, trying to pick the best
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> so, if an nEvent is bound to a specific user, it needs a way to say "this is where I'm going"
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I could give it a reference to an nUser and let the socket class sort it out
06:45 <zmanuel> sounds reasonable.
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I could give it a method that takes an nUser and reads it to fill in its own fields just before putting it into the outbound queue
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> or, I could have nEvent and nUser not know anything about each other and copy the stuff from nManager manually
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> in that case, nManager is breaking the specified level of abstraction
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> so alternately, I could give the nEvent and the nUser(s) (there could be more than one, now that I think about it) to the socket class and it could do the hand copying
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> now the socket class knows about nUsers, which breaks its specified level of abstraction
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> never done actual socket programming before, and I don't want to dig myself into a hole this early.  :)  This piece feels important to me.
06:47 <zmanuel> The first sounds best. If your concept allows nEvents to know where they are going, it needs to hold nUser references.
06:47 <zmanuel> Obviously, one class needs to know about both sockets and users :) I'd pick the nManager. Managers are supposed to know stuff.
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I gave nManager nEvents and the socket thread, so while it conceptually knows about sockets, it knows them through nEvent
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that brings a subtly different problem, actually.  :)
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not certain that nEvents will ultimately derive from the base event class for the game
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> if they do, then nEvents are just going to get stuck into the event queue with everything else and nManager is only supposed to handle the pool of connections
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> you know, pinging them and stuff, handle logins, that sort of thing
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> and storing the incoming and outbound queues
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> I was actually thinking nManager's job is to do that stuff, and also translate nEvents into game events, since a network event isn't by definition a game event
06:50 <zmanuel> I think this is too early in the morning for me to ponder :) Can I come back to it when I'm z-man-work?
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> a game event by definition is something that happens in the game
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> sure.  :)  I'm probably just too sleepy, it should all be obvious but Im really sleepy :/
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> I was also throwing it at GodTodd to think about, I'ma go grab a smoke :)
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07:26 <GodTodd> wb joe
07:35 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml#messages
07:35 <wrtlprnft> > Don't keep channel operator privileges. Displaying these privileges on your nick with a "+o" attracts participants who are interested in gaining them and using them actively; it also attracts the attention of participants who react negatively to authority. Have your nick added to the channel access list and op yourself only when needed.
07:35 <wrtlprnft> > Use channel operator privileges sparingly. Each time you use them you raise the channel temperature. Users will be pleased with you, angry at you, frustrated that you used them inappropriately, envious that you have control over the discussion. None of these reactions may be conscious on the part of other users, but all of them increase the channel temperature.
07:36 <wrtlprnft> probably one of guru3's reasons
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07:54 <GodTodd> damn microsoft
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07:57 <custang> hay guys
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08:01 <custang> Hey All
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08:34 <DrJoeTron> god damn it I miss everything :/
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation:_Mindcrime_II
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> I missed that, although I could argue that I don't feel like I missed much
08:38  * Lucifer_arma wonders if the sequel to Operation: Mindcrime should be more accurately called "Operation: Beating a Dead Horse"
08:57 <GodTodd> hrmm...if you get a D you still get class credit, right? even tho afaik no prerequisite is fulfilled with anything below a C
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/32404
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> I think you have to get a C to get credit
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to change my name
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> to Dave Fançell
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> to Dave Fançella
08:59 <GodTodd> heh
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> so maybe people will quit calling me "Fanchella"
09:00 <GodTodd> personally, i'd be *more* likely with the little thingy on the c ')
09:00 <GodTodd> ;)*
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but that little thing actually means to make an esse sound instead of a keh sound
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not really gratuitous
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> so, to be gratuitous, maybe I'll do:
09:01 <GodTodd> tho...let me know if it works...so people quit calling me Todd Mackey
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> Däve Fançella
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, I kinda like the way that looks
09:02  * Lucifer_arma has wanted for years to work in a King Diamond-style y or g to his name
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> this is like, just as good
09:02  * Lucifer_arma checks to see if he can put an umlaut on the v instead
09:02 <GodTodd> doesn't the umlaut make it a short vowel tho?
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
09:03 <GodTodd> heh
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any idea what an umlaut means
09:03 <GodTodd> well...in german it kind of mixes an 'e' with the vowel
09:04 <GodTodd> like oe == ö
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2141
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2131  <--- wahahahaha.  I love her!
09:09 <GodTodd> Ţöđđ Мäçý
09:09 <GodTodd> now *that's* a rockin' name :)
09:10 <GodTodd> hahaha
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2119
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> there, evilution can never be disproven now!
09:14 <GodTodd> heh
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2109
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2099  <--- I'll take that advice, for sure
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2085
09:29 <GodTodd> hahaha
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09:59 <GodTodd> hmmm....is it possible to use toupper on a char string?
09:59 <GodTodd> er...char array rather
10:06 <wrtlprnft> if it's 0-terminated, sure
10:07 <wrtlprnft> and an umlaut is usually longer
10:07 <wrtlprnft> and no, v with two dots over it is not an umlaut
10:09 <GodTodd> well...the char array is a member of a struct
10:10 <wrtlprnft> that shouldn't matter…
10:10 <GodTodd> i didn't think so
10:10 <GodTodd> but i can't just do: toupper(subject.name)
10:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:10 <wrtlprnft> that should work
10:10 <GodTodd> it didn't :P
10:10 <GodTodd> heh
10:10 <wrtlprnft> at least, i think so. It should work in c++, anyways
10:11 <wrtlprnft> what's the error?
10:11 <GodTodd> can't convert parameter 1 from char[10] to int
10:11 <GodTodd> something along those lines
10:11 <wrtlprnft> int?
10:11 <GodTodd> yeah...that's what it said
10:12 <wrtlprnft> oh
10:12 <wrtlprnft> toupper takes a single char
10:12 <wrtlprnft> no string
10:12 <GodTodd> is there a way to convert strings to upper?
10:12 <wrtlprnft> well, iterate through it…
10:12 <GodTodd> or do you have to go char by char?
10:13 <wrtlprnft> for(c = subject.name; c != NULL; ++c) {
10:13 <wrtlprnft>     *c = toupper(*c);
10:13 <wrtlprnft> }
10:13 <GodTodd> yeah...just thought of that
10:13 <wrtlprnft> something like that
10:13 <GodTodd> seems to be the only way to do it 
10:13 <GodTodd> thanks :)
10:13 <wrtlprnft> yw
10:13 <z-man-work> Yawn, early morning math lecture is over.
10:14 <wrtlprnft> was it interesting?
10:14 <wrtlprnft> i guess not.
10:14 <z-man-work> Lucifer_arma: here's what I'm thinking. Obviously, one class needs to know about OS sockets and addresses, right? I'd make that the nSocket class.
10:14 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: it was, but it starts at 8:15
10:15 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
10:15 <z-man-work> nSocket gives the other classes some abstraction of a network address, it doesn't need to be a real address, an ID would suffice, the main thing just is that...
10:15 <z-man-work> the address abstraction can identify a packet sender and send him a response packet back.
10:17 <z-man-work> Everybody else just uses that abstraction. Your nUser class stores one of them, and when nManager needs to contact a user, it tells nSocket to send a packet to whatever the nUser address abstraction thing says.
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10:18 <z-man-work> And about the events: it's just a matter of taste whether nEvent is derived from the main game event or not. You can just as well have a class derived from the main game events that holds a pointer to a nEvent.
10:18 <z-man-work> Hmm, does that mean I have to repeat everything? Is Lucifer_arma going to time out?
10:20 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/log-2006-12-14.txt
10:21  * wrtlprnft goes back to school, just had a spare
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12:12 <custang> Hey guys
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12:46 <custang> hey guys anyone on???
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12:57 <z-man-work> What do these drive by chatters expect? A welcome party?
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13:13 <spidey> !
13:13  * spidey yawns
13:13 <spidey> i have
13:14 <spidey> 4 tests left ;/
13:37  * GodTodd has none left til january.
13:40 <spidey> heh
13:40 <spidey> i actually have 3 tests left
13:40 <spidey> i just have to get "tutored" on that math i failed
13:40  * GodTodd still has none left til january. :)
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15:19 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: that doesn't talk about +v
15:21 <spidey> yay!
15:22 <spidey> i r dun with my last physical science book ;x
15:22 <spidey> good thing, those bastards are big!
15:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6507 /private/z-man/clio/ (15 files): More size optimizations. Down from 1.6 to .6 Mb in the test executable.
15:24 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: in fact, #freenode-social has +v as norm
16:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6508 /private/z-man/clio/ (classinfo.hpp iclassinfo.cpp iclassinfo.hpp): Smaller savings by pruning unused virtual functions.
16:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6509 /private/z-man/clio/ (dataconversion_base.hpp objectwrapper.cpp objectwrapper.hpp): Got rid of objectwrapper template.
16:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: having a moderated channel and +v does make people feel uncomfortable, at least med
16:10 <wrtlprnft> it shows that there's someone you have to fear
16:10 <wrtlprnft> anyways, the guidelines on this channel are guru3_'s buisness, we're just here to take care of people who abuse the channel
16:11 <luke-jr> med?
16:11 <wrtlprnft> me
16:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6510 /private/z-man/clio/ (24 files): IObjectWrapper is no longer an interface -> renamed to ObjectWrapper. This also stops the IObject vs IoObject confusion.
16:20 <luke-jr> hmm, I guess you'd be pretty uncomfy in #anime then
16:20 <wrtlprnft> i'd fell that anyways
16:21 <wrtlprnft> *feel
16:21 <wrtlprnft> i'd have no reason to join either
16:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6511 /private/z-man/clio/ (4 files): Gaa, SF svn does not allow file moves.
17:02 -!- guru3_ is now known as guru3
17:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6512 /private/z-man/clio/ (4 files): Another 25 kb down.
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6513 /private/z-man/clio/ (4 files): Yay! 800 bytes less!
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18:22 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6514 /private/z-man/clio/ (functioninfo.cpp functioninfo.hpp iclassinfo.hpp): 4.6 kb this time.
18:24 <wrtlprnft> #g 25000 + 800 + 4600
18:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 25,000 + 800 + 4,600 = 30,400
18:26 <z-man-work> Yeah, quite a bunch. I guess I hit a wall there, there are no more big things to optimize
18:26 <wrtlprnft> that's out of how much?
18:26 <z-man-work> except if I'd do evil reinterpret_cast things on member function pointers, that may save a bunch
18:27 <z-man-work> From originally 1.6M, I'm down to .53M
18:27 <wrtlprnft> nice :)
18:28 <z-man-work> The big chunks were the easy parts
18:28 <z-man-work> well, not nice, it's still too big, considering that's only wrapping 50 functions or so
18:28 <wrtlprnft> would those reinterpret_cast things be centralized?
18:28 <z-man-work> yeah, but they rely on specific object layout
18:29 <wrtlprnft> your decision :)
18:29 <z-man-work> I think the VTable pointer needs to sit at the beginning of the class
18:29 <z-man-work> It's certainly not legal :)
18:29 <wrtlprnft> talk about vc6 support
18:29 <z-man-work> I'm going to make a test and see what happens
18:29 <z-man-work> vc6 should be fine as well
18:30 <z-man-work> well, except that the rest of our project is pretty much dead broken for vc6 :)
18:30 <wrtlprnft> heh
18:30 <wrtlprnft> my fault.
18:30 <z-man-work> and except for the fact that it can't handle templates even half as good as clio requires.
18:30 <z-man-work> but the reinterpret_cast trick would work :)
18:31 <wrtlprnft> any solution with #ifdefs so you can hide it from non-gcc?
18:33 <z-man-work> sure.
18:33 <wrtlprnft> though, if the vtable pointer doesn't sit at the beginning of the class, how would you find it if you don't know the class type?
18:34 <z-man-work> Not at all :)
18:34  * wrtlprnft doesn't know enough about gcc's internal handling, though
18:34 <z-man-work> Oh, you mean how the compiler finds it itself?
18:34 <z-man-work> It knows the offset to the class beginning
18:34 <z-man-work> in principle, the VTable pointer can sit anywhere, like a regular data member
18:34  * z-man-work is off for home, already half an hour late, whoops
18:35 <wrtlprnft> cya
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18:50  * Lucifer_arma has one test--today
19:08  * wrtlprnft has one test—tomorrow
19:14  * luke-jr|work has no test
19:17 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping
19:18 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: this is what I have for you.  "<z-man-work> And about the events: it's just a matter of taste whether nEvent is derive [...]"
20:17 <luke-jr|work> this is ridiculous??
20:17 <luke-jr|work> the new server I'm renting supports Gentoo, but it's ancient, and a non-regular profile??
20:26 <wrtlprnft> umm, if they have a rescue system you can use that to install a real gentoo?
20:32 <luke-jr|work> ...?
20:32 <luke-jr|work> it is a real Gentoo
20:32 <luke-jr|work> just default-linux/x86/no-nptl
20:32 <luke-jr|work> and last sync'd earlier this year
20:32 <luke-jr|work> I'm in the middle of the -e world
20:32 <luke-jr|work> which is more or less reinstalling it :p
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20:57  * spidey yawns
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21:15 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
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21:42 <spidey> well
21:42 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.net/
21:42 <spidey> i got tired of messing with it last night so i used something simple >.>
21:45 <luke-jr|work> it's invalid
21:45 <luke-jr|work> :p
21:46 <luke-jr|work> no such thing as _height
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21:50 <spidey> ...
21:51 <wrtlprnft> that's an ie hack
21:51 <wrtlprnft> but ugly, what's wrong with conditional comments?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> anyways, it's waay to high in my browser
21:52  * luke-jr|work notes spidey used pixels
21:52 <spidey> it's supposed to be
21:52 <wrtlprnft> sucks
21:53 <spidey> heh
21:53 <wrtlprnft> i won't read the entire page if it's twice as high as my screen
21:53 <luke-jr|work> too high?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> or what's left of it if you substract my tabs
21:53 <luke-jr|work> why would you have a fullscreen browser? :p
21:53 <luke-jr|work> I generally keep mine around 640x480 or 800x600
21:54 <luke-jr|work> so I can fit 10 or so on my screen at once, in theory
21:54 <DrJoeTr0n> awww guru3 why didnt you draw a picture of yourself being cool?
21:54 <spidey> ...
21:54 <DrJoeTr0n> or are you just in a constant state of coolness :D
21:54 <spidey> why would you want 10 or so?
21:54 <spidey> that's what tabs are for
21:54 <spidey> noob
21:54 <luke-jr|work> can't see all tabs at once
21:54 <luke-jr|work> noob
21:55 <spidey> ...
21:55 <luke-jr|work> besides, they all get 10 tabs each
21:55 <spidey> retarded
21:55 <spidey> waste of resources to
21:55 <wrtlprnft> bah
21:55 <luke-jr|work> nah, use of resources :)
21:55 <luke-jr|work> more often tho, I just have 2 visible at a time :p
21:55 <spidey> still retarded
21:55 <luke-jr|work> no
21:56 <luke-jr|work> a fullscreen browser window would be retarded
21:56 <luke-jr|work> then the middle would have the divider between monitors going thru it
21:56 <spidey> not really
21:56 <luke-jr|work> well, left of centre anyhow
21:56 <spidey> well
21:56 <spidey> you're running dual screens
21:56 <spidey> and they're difference sizes
21:56 <spidey> so anything looks off center to you anyways
21:57 <luke-jr|work> nah
21:57 <luke-jr|work> I matched their PPI
21:57 <luke-jr|work> that's why the left one is 1224x909
21:58 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/normalopera.png
21:58 <wrtlprnft> that's how mine usually looks
21:58 <wrtlprnft> the sidebar is there sometimes, sometimes not
21:59 <spidey> wow
21:59 <luke-jr|work> eww
21:59 <luke-jr|work> are all your browser windows like that?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> that's the only one :P
22:00 <luke-jr|work> ...
22:00 <luke-jr|work> you keep your browser in a single virtual desktop?
22:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:00 <luke-jr|work> O.o
22:01 <wrtlprnft> after all it has its own window management
22:01 <wrtlprnft> note that it sometimes gets fuller if i'm iterating through wikipedia articles
22:02 <wrtlprnft> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=202/202.css
22:02 <wrtlprnft> nice
22:02 <luke-jr|work> it doesn't have its own virtual desktop management ;p
22:03 <wrtlprnft> doesn't need to
22:03 <wrtlprnft> it does have its own session management
22:04 <wrtlprnft> so if i take my laptop somewhere and don't want to be disturbed by the normal crap i just save the session and start a new one
22:04 <wrtlprnft> then i can continue where i left when i get back home
22:04 <luke-jr|work> in other words, you don't use VDs much
22:04 <wrtlprnft> i do
22:05 <wrtlprnft> arma development
22:05 <wrtlprnft> it's one or two seperate desktops with lots of gVim windows each
22:05 <wrtlprnft> and each one has a konsole attached to the same screen
22:06 <wrtlprnft> then, everytime i use gimp i create a new one (have to, you can't really use GIMP w/o virtual desktops)
22:07 <luke-jr|work> heh
22:07 <luke-jr|work> I use at least 5 on a regular basis
22:07 <luke-jr|work> IM and IRC share one
22:07 <luke-jr|work> Email has its own
22:08 <luke-jr|work> Arma has one, as does Anime/Movies/etc
22:08 <luke-jr|work> Lightfoot/Levopede/etc have one
22:10 <luke-jr|work> etc
22:16 <wrtlprnft> everything you can put into a console is in my screen anyways :)
22:16 <luke-jr|work> ?
22:17 <wrtlprnft> like irc
22:17 <wrtlprnft> or connections to other servers (in which i start a screen, too)
22:18 <wrtlprnft> those screens on other machines are color-coded and have another control key (^S instead of ^A) btw
22:20 <wrtlprnft> > Our favorite customer Santa has a deadline coming up so we are approaching release of Opera 9.10. ← does that mean opera 9.10 will be released within 10 days?
22:23 <luke-jr|work> probably
22:24 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1444  <-- haha, that's spidey
22:29 <spidey> http://ebaumsworld.com/2006/12/iraqi-kids-learn-english.html
22:29 <spidey> that's me
22:29 <spidey> teaching luci english
22:34 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:34 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1488
22:39 <luke-jr|work> no
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22:40 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1507 <--- why spidey (hi there!) will never get married
22:42 <spidey> lol
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22:48 <Vanhayes> #ping
22:48 <armabot> pong
22:48 <Vanhayes> #pong
22:48 <armabot> ping
22:48 <Vanhayes> #pung
22:48 <Vanhayes> meh
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22:55 <Legit> luke u here?
22:55 <luke-jr|work> \yeah
22:55 <luke-jr|work> 0.2.8 or 0.3? :p
22:55 <Legit> armalukechat ;)
22:55 <luke-jr|work> I'm htere
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22:56 <DrJoeTr0n> Your_mom_arma tanked locked the mspaint thread :/
22:57 <DrJoeTr0n> tank*
22:57 <DrJoeTr0n> haha
22:58 <luke-jr|work> KolourPaint pwns MSPaint
22:58 <DrJoeTr0n> MSPaint is the best program ever
22:58 <DrJoeTr0n> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=11621 how else could you get fly pics like mine?
23:00 <luke-jr|work> KolourPaint
23:00 <DrJoeTr0n> not possible
23:00 <luke-jr|work> why not?
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23:01 <luke-jr|work> http://kolourpaint.sourceforge.net/
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> luke (cockeater) actually speaks truth for once
23:04 <Your_mom_arma> haha gj joe, everyone who participated
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1609
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, the thread got locked before I drew my picture
23:05 <Your_mom_arma> luke, looks exactly like mspaint
23:05 <luke-jr|work> except it's better :p
23:06 <Your_mom_arma> thats a matter of opinion
23:06 <luke-jr|work> nah, it's a matter of features
23:06 <luke-jr|work> can MS Paint deal w/ transparency?
23:06 <Your_mom_arma> how long does it take to install?
23:07 <Your_mom_arma> exactly
23:07 <luke-jr|work> ?
23:07 <luke-jr|work> depends on the OS, obviously
23:07 <luke-jr|work> I'm sure some come w/ it preinstalled
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> mine came with it
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> chances are it doesn't run in windows, so you're looking at 3-12 hours to download the iso images, then about half an hour to install the os
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> then, if it didn't isntall with the os, another minute to install it from your package manager
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> say i want a 1x1 blue pixel .jpg should i use mspaint or that? In lucis case its better, in mine it isnt
23:09 <Your_mom_arma> luke doesnt understand that in can be better in some cases and not others
23:09 <luke-jr|work> it's still better, because Kolourpaint is free :)
23:10 <Your_mom_arma> >luke mom thats dumb reformat and install linux its wai better
23:10 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: As with all of KDE4, 4.0 should run in Windoze :p
23:10 <Your_mom_arma> look we all love linux but not all of us as much as others
23:11 <luke-jr|work> Your_mom_arma: KolourPaint has nothing to do with Linux foo
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> I personally try not to recommend "technology demonstrations" to people when they want productie software they can use right now
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1626
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> MSPaint is only better if you're willing to SELL YOUR SOUL to the EVIL JESUS-LOVING MICROSOFT!
23:12 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that last comic I linked pretty much sums up election year politics, in case anybody's curious (and most have probably quit clicking the sinfest links I've been spamming with)
23:12 <Your_mom_arma> luke doesnt understand rating things relativly to a situation
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> he only deals in absolutes.  Which would normally make him a sith lord, but I happen to like the sith.
23:15 <Your_mom_arma> those 12 screwdrivers you have are bad go to the store and get this one its free and it does the exact same thing
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'm that little kid that loves the devil in sinfest
23:15 <Your_mom_arma> haha luci
23:15 <luke-jr|work> luci admits to being a little kid?
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23:15 <Lucifer_arma> have I ever even pretended to be mature and grown-up?
23:16 <luke-jr|work> not sure
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, I haven't, at least, not that I can remember
23:16 <ghableska> hi
23:16  * Your_mom_arma notes that some of the sinfest you linked to was good but most of his comics arn't funny, hes inconsistent
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> hi ghableska (hi there!) 
23:16 <luke-jr|work> Your_mom_arma: MSPaint isn't free
23:16 <Your_mom_arma> hey ghab
23:16 <Your_mom_arma> i didnt say it was, i was saying i already have it
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, there are a lot of sinfest strips that suck, that's true.  Like all the ones with the cat and dog.
23:16 <ghableska> hu Lucifer_arma, mom
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> but it's a weekly strip, and weekly strips tend to suck more often than rule
23:17 <Your_mom_arma> luke reread my comparison
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> the only comic I've read that was consistently funny was one that was also infrequently updated.  :(  He only updated when he felt funny and made a strip.
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> So, take it as you want.  You can have it every week, or you can have it always funny, but not both.
23:18 <luke-jr|work> Your_mom_arma: but KolourPaint is Free!
23:18 <luke-jr|work> I mean
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> should i compare it again?
23:18 <luke-jr|work> Your_mom_arma: but KolourPaint is Free??
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> does kolorpaint run in windows?  I mean, a current stable version, not the "technology demonstration" you're trying to push on us
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1644  <--- heh, this reads like luke (cockeater)'s proof of the bible
23:21 <Your_mom_arma> luke says:those 12(working) screwdrivers[mspaint] you have are bad go to the store and get this one[kpaint] its *free* and it does the exact same thing
23:23 <Your_mom_arma> luke's think headed
23:23 <Your_mom_arma> thick even
23:23 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: who cares? and I haven't made an attempt to prove the bible here
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's worth it if you get the Free with a capital F
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> but really, mspaint is a non-issue.  You get it with windows, right?  So what does it matter?  Changing it out for kolorpaint only matters if you change out the windows part of the system
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, it's a non-issue
23:25 <luke-jr|work> but KolourPaint pwns MSPaint??
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> im not saying its a bad program just that its more hassle then its worth, especially for me. no windows version btw
23:26 <luke-jr|work> everything pwns Windoze??
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> is it coming?
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> are you gonna say it?
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> i already said it for you, because i saw this coming
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> pgup luke
23:26 <luke-jr|work> Windoze sux??
23:27 <Your_mom_arma> theres no mac version either
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> spell-checker broke, again?
23:27 <luke-jr|work> whether you use KolourPaint or not, you should install another OS instead??
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23:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, run OS/2
23:27 <RickyRoss> hi
23:27 <luke-jr|work> Your_mom_arma: Mac shouldn't have a problem w/ X apps
23:27 <RickyRoss> luke?
23:27 <RickyRoss> i'm on mac :)
23:27 <luke-jr|work> RickyRoss: hi #armalukechat
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> run BeOS
23:27 <RickyRoss> k
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> run AmigaOS
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> because *anything* is better than Windows
23:28 <ghableska> heh
23:28 <luke-jr|work> AmigaOS is pretty decent
23:28 <luke-jr|work> but it's proprietary
23:28 <luke-jr|work> >:O
23:28 <luke-jr|work> Workbench sure beats Program Manager
23:28 <Your_mom_arma> luke your as sharp as a river rock
23:29 <RickyRoss> i'm on leopard
23:29 <RickyRoss> it owns you little windoze
23:29 <RickyRoss> and linux newbs
23:30 <luke-jr|work> Gentoo pwns Leopard :)
23:30 <luke-jr|work> as do most Linux-based OS
23:30 <Your_mom_arma> im staying out of this, as far as im conscerned all the os's suck
23:30 <luke-jr|work> they do
23:31 <luke-jr|work> but Gentoo sucks least
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> gentoo sucks more than windows
23:31 <luke-jr|work> nope
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> I wasted more time babysitting my gentoo box than I ever did babysitting windows
23:31 <RickyRoss> gentoo is ... weird
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> and their fan club is just a bunch of rabid fanatics
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> which are morally and intellectually equivalent to the microsoft drones you get with windows
23:32 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: but you got more than you could ever get from Windows in return
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> errr, no
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> I got a much less functional system than even win95 out of the box
23:32 <luke-jr|work> out of the box, you had no effort put into it
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> source packages with so many patches that the idea of getting the source for the program ws pretty unbelievable
23:32 <RickyRoss> bye luke
23:32 <RickyRoss> it wrks
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> indeed.  I spent half an hour installing Mandriva and got something that actually works
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> and no damn emerge snobs telling me "emerge is better because rpms won't install, but emerge will break everything!"
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait, I still have those damn emerge snobs
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should leave this channel
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23:34 <Lucifer_arma> and since installing it, I've spent 0 minutes maintaining my system, it hasn't broken when I've installed a package I wanted to fool with
23:35 <spidey> http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=26
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> and even installing packages takes just a few minutes at most, never waiting all night to try the newest kolorpaint because all of KDE had to be updated to install it
23:35 <spidey> luci = pwned
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> haha.  I love the God finger puppets in that strip
23:35 <spidey> lol
23:36 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: you enjoy FUD?
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> even if I hd to update all of KDE, it still wouldn't take all night to update
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> what fud are yout alking about?  This is real, hard experience
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I speak from experience, boy!
23:37 <luke-jr|work> you want to upgrade kolourpaint, emerge kolourpaint, not all kde
23:37 <luke-jr|work> installing apps rarely if ever breaks, it's upgrading the system that's the problem
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's not what happened, now is it?  what part of "experience" did you not get?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> really?  Then why did I install a kid game package and break my webserver?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> this was last week, on my server, which is still running gentoo
23:37 <luke-jr|work> no clue
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft pointed out the wiki was broken
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> so I had to reemerge php, to link against the updated mysql
23:38 <luke-jr|work> probably unrelated, with the details you gave me
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> mysql was updated when I installed that kid game package
23:38 <luke-jr|work> see, you updated mysql
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, I didn't update mysql
23:38 <luke-jr|work> installing a kid game package shouldn't do that
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> mysql was updated as a dependency to something else I was installing
23:38 <luke-jr|work> did you run revdep-rebuild?
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> you're right, it shouldn't, but it did
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, I didn't
23:39 <luke-jr|work> so we're back to user error
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're at badly designed system
23:39 -!- DrJoeTr0n [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-75-56-59-36.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [">-;;,ccc3"]
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> why should I have to run a special script after I install a program?  My package manager should do it!
23:39 <luke-jr|work> that too, but if you use such a system, you should learn how
23:39 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-75-56-59-36.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #Armagetron
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> what, spending 5 hours a week fixing shit didn't teach me how to run it?
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> look, I dont' want an OS I have to take 20 credit hours at the junior college to learn how to run
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> period
23:40 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: at least you had the *option* to break ABI
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> what option?  I don't recall ever being asked "do you want to install this package?  It might break your other programs"
23:40 <luke-jr|work> it was assumed, you didn't tell it to ask you
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> I get those prompts in Mandriva
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> right, so whoever made the system "assume" made an ass out of someone
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> and check this out.  If I update a package in Mandriva that other packages depend on, the others get updated automatically
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> why can't gentoo do that?  So much for high tech cutting edge.
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23:42 <luke-jr|work> because most people don't want that unless it's absolutely necessary
23:42 -!- Van-hayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034244187.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, instead every command you ever issue in gentoo has a disclaimer "this might break your system"
23:42 -!- Van-hayes is now known as Vanhayes
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> and the only way you can figure out what actually works, because nobody in the gentoo world has the balls to say it to you, is to do it yourself
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, who the fuck has time for that?  I sure int he hell don't
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> what's the point of having documentation if the docs themselves wuss out and fail to guide you in a productive direction?
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> every single gentoo tutorial takes you far enough to hae something that almost works, and then leaves you hanging to figure out the rest
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> and since they've gone out of their way to ensure that no package's original documentation can be applied to the system, you're pretty well fucked
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> gentoo irc?  like talking to a brick wall
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> if you get a response, it's always predicated with "but that might break your system"
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, how the fuck am I supposed to figure it out without breaking my system?  Why couldn't they build something that doesn't actually break every time you wipe your ass?
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> the idea that gentoo is superior to anything is derived from the massive inferiority complexes the gentoo developers and most of their users suffer from
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> out here in the real world, we want something that works.  Gentoo isn't it, so we use other things.
23:46 -!- custang [n=caadb73a@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> and, of course, when you point any of this stuff out, it's always summed up as "user error"
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> as we've seen here
23:47 <custang> HEY :)
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> hey
23:48 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["-"]
23:49 <custang> im going to play armagetron bye guys
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23:51 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:51 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 55.4°F (3:54 PM CST on December 14, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 26.6°F. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa. 
23:52 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6178659.stm <-- wow.
23:53 <Legit> luke armachat
23:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6515 /private/z-man/clio/objectwrapper.cpp: Fixed memory leak caused by uninitialized variable.
23:54 <ghableska> luke-jr: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6178055.stm
23:56 -!- Legit [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"]
23:56 <luke-jr|work> ghableska: what?
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6516 /private/z-man/clio/function_single.hpp: Fixed wrong pointer when creating an object with virtual destructor in a custom constructor.

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