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Log from 2006-12-04:
--- Day changed Mon Dec 04 2006
00:02 <Vanhayes> #night
00:02 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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00:20 <ii2020> gnight guys
00:21 <ghableska> night
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00:31 <GodTodd> piece of fucking shit
00:36 <madmax|pt> oO
00:36 <ghableska> Oo
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01:56 <Durka> #lastseen oposal
01:57 <armabot> Durka: timed out
01:57 <Durka> #lastseen sneak
01:57 <armabot> Durka: )PWNsneak has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 4 days 12 hours 4 minutes ago.
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02:20 <GodTodd> thynhyjuuuuuuh ygu8jyuj juji uui nhjnmuk b\
02:20 <GodTodd> \
02:20 <ghableska> hi there 
02:20 <GodTodd> = p = ]b+ nbh
02:21 <ghableska> having some problems?
02:29 <GodTodd> no...have a nine month old
02:31 <ghableska> ah :)
02:42 <spidey> GodTodd, you adopt luke-jr ?
02:43 <GodTodd> yep right after i lost my mind
02:44 <spidey> lol
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> yep, that's about how a nine-month-old talks
03:03 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 12.2°F (7:54 PM CST on December 03, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 1.4°F. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa. 
03:05  * ghableska yawns
03:10 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you mean "= p = ]b+ nbh"?
03:10 <GodTodd> :)
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> wow
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized that evolution and war are essentially the same thing, making the same decision
03:29 <GodTodd> natural selection?
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, you've heard the saying "War doesn't decide who's right, it only decides who is left"?
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> I think legions should upgrade phalanxes
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> or at least be cheaper, they're fairly useless because by the time you can produce them at the same rate as phalanxes, you have muskets
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> and the whole point of legions in ancient rome was that they were cheap primarily because the individual soldiers outfitted themselves
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also considering bumping up the base firepower of gunpowder units, but that'll only work if I can increase the firepower of modern units
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> I think instead of getting higher attack/defense ratings, gunpowder units should get more firepower
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> Combined arms was the concept of using infantry, cavalry, and artillery in a coordinated way.
03:52 <spidey> ...
03:52 <spidey> why?
03:52 <spidey> if that's the case you only have to build a shitload of cannons and not upgrade
03:52 <spidey> they already almost pwn forted riflemen in city walls
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> forted riflemen would have higher firepower too
03:58 <spidey> so?
03:58 <Lucifer_arma> the thing I'm trying to determine is where rate of fire should be figured into a unit's ratings
03:58 <spidey> it's defense that counts
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, the thing that made cannons useful was their firepower, and cannons actually rendered city walls obsolete
03:59 <Lucifer_arma> city walls were built to keep out infantry and cavalry, and catapults were used to beat them down.  Cannons tore them down in nothing flat.
04:00 <spidey> why increase the firepower of them?
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the question is, what makes a rifleman inherently a better unit than an archer?
04:00 <spidey> i mean, if they go any higher they'll have a higher attack than most modern units defense
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, increasing firepower doesn't help against city walls, it only helps after you hit :)
04:01 <spidey> riflemen is better than a archer because of its defense and attack?
04:01 <spidey> hell
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> no, ignore defense and attack ratings, just look at the units, technology, and training
04:01 <spidey> fanatics in fundamentalism is a better unit for defense than a MI
04:01 <spidey> they get 4 defense points
04:02 <spidey> and when fortafied it gets a 50% increase
04:02 <spidey> bringing it to 6
04:02 <spidey> and with a 15 production it takes like 1 turn to spit them out
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> nononono, ignore civ stuff
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> look on wikipedia or something :)
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> what makes someone with a rifle inherently stronger than someone with a bow?
04:14 <spidey> longer range?
04:15 <spidey> bullets hurt more ;x
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> that would be firepower :)
04:15 <spidey> it would actually depend
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> there's something about how a conscripted, partially trained rifleman can reach the same rate of fire as a skilled bowmen
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> but archery was a life skill, you practiced it from very young to get that good
04:16 <spidey> in open yes, a riflemen has a better chance, but with other elements you could get you could get your ass kicked :p
04:17 <spidey> besides
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
04:17 <spidey> back then they had muskets
04:17 <spidey> which take along time to reload
04:18 <spidey> luke-jr, 
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05:37 <Durka> hi manta
05:37 <luke-jr> spidey: wtf u want now
05:38 <Durka> type /join #teamsumo
05:39 <spidey> luke-jr, change my domain to 66.90.118.168
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05:45 <luke-jr> spidey: which one?
05:45 <spidey> ..
05:45 <spidey> fallin-angels.net
05:45 <luke-jr> ., dz, or spidey?
05:45 <spidey> the domain
05:46 <luke-jr> you have 2 subdomains
05:46 <spidey> i know
05:46 <luke-jr> so just .?
05:46 <luke-jr> 69.61.80.70 -> 66.90.118.168
05:46 <spidey> oh, my ip changed to,  so 	68.114.141.224
05:47 <luke-jr> 68.112.91.195 -> 68.114.141.224
05:47 <luke-jr> both of those right?
05:47 <spidey> yea
05:47 <luke-jr> ok done
05:47 <spidey> i haven't had a 24. ip in along time,they must have dropped that range =/
05:49 <luke-jr> probably
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05:57 <Durka> hi legit
05:57 <Durka> type /join #teamsumo
05:57 <Durka> unless ur in the irc from my site
05:57 <Durka> if that's the case it wont work
05:57 <Durka> just go to http://durdur.freehostia.com/irc/arma-irc.html
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05:58 <Arma41> wow more and more chats
05:58 <Arma41> .
06:00 <Arma41> so y did i come durka?
06:00 <luke-jr> Legit: want the first half of December for $5? (50% of half $20/month)?
06:01 <Legit> dont i have it till the 18th durka said?
06:01 <luke-jr> for $5, it's somewhere around the 18th
06:02 <luke-jr> I don't have an exact date on it
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> so, what makes a rifleman inherently superior to an archer?
06:03 <luke-jr> ......
06:03 <luke-jr> his ammo moves faster
06:03 <luke-jr> :p
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I forgot why we were talking about it
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait, yeah.  I was thinking about bumping up the first tier of gunpowder units to firepower 2
06:04 <Legit> .
06:05 <luke-jr> Legit: ...
06:06 <spidey> 74.2 gigs of movies =/
06:06 <Legit> ?
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, WWI was fought with riflemen as infantry with some machine gun support, howitzers, and horsed cavalry
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> and saw the introduction of tanks
06:06 <luke-jr> Legit: you retard, you took your own name
06:06 <luke-jr> Legit: so want half the month for $5? :p
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> why don't we ever end up with that configuration for very long in freeciv?
06:07 <luke-jr> cuz we have people doing pure science
06:07 <spidey> because we have all techs before 1300ad ?
06:07 <luke-jr> and I set techpoints low
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> it seems like we do muskets and cannons for a long time, then shoot up into tanks and artillery, where "artillery" *is* a howitzer, and I don't know wtf a howitzer is supposed to be
06:07 <spidey> actually i had all techs in 180 turns
06:07 <spidey> no
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06:07 <spidey> i had all techs in less than 170 turns
06:08 <spidey> ...
06:08 <spidey> we need a panzerfrost unit ;x
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think the gunpowder units all need increased firepower
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06:10 <spidey> no
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> why?
06:10 <spidey> why?
06:10 <spidey> because they're strong enough as is
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> because I think that's what makes a rifleman better than an archer :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, the problem is that there isn't much room to add other units
06:11 <spidey> hell i can take a city that has forted alpines and MI with about 6 cannons
06:11 <spidey> hardened cannons, anyways
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> really?  I've thrown away dozens of cannons against a city that was forted up with muskets and walls
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06:11 <luke-jr> lol
06:11 <LEGlT> say what
06:11 <spidey> really?
06:11 <spidey> haha
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> and that's not reasonable, cannons made city walls obsolete
06:11 <spidey> i don't see how
06:11 <spidey> i've done it easily
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> but rather than have cannons ignore city walls, I think the solution is to increase their firepower
06:12 <spidey> now you're just getting greedy :p
06:12 <spidey> brb , pizza
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06:15 <spidey> back
06:15 <spidey> and next time we play, if we do it with AI's , i want them on experimental :p
06:16 <spidey> they're still to easy on hard =/
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06:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not getting greedy, I want to add more early units and I want them to be a bit more realistic
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> take legions.  By the time we have cities capable of producing legions in quantity, we have muskets
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> that defeats the purpose of legions!  Legions were cheap units, and that was a big reason they defeated the phalanxes they fought
06:19 <luke-jr> pfft
06:20 <luke-jr> I want spacecraft and planets
06:20 <luke-jr> and battles in space
06:20 <luke-jr> :p
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> then why the hell do I have to study feudalism to get heavy cavalry?  The ROmans weren't feudalistic and they had heavy cavalry
06:20 <luke-jr> fix it
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> but if you don't go on a feudalism track, you don't get an upgrade to horsemen until you get cavalry with guns
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I'm trying to do
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> but there isn't room for new units that are significantly better than earlier units without making the gunpowder units weaker
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> the initial advantage to gunpowder units wasn't rate of fire, it was firepower
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, riflemen and archers should have the same attack rating, but riflemen have bayonets so should have a higher defense rating
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> but muskets have a distinct disadvantage in rate of fire, their advantage was range and firepower
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> but see, muskets and riflemen are infantry units, but archers were essentially artillery
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> fundamentally different roles
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> but muskets were less accurate than archers
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so, why should muskets replace legions?  Also, what medieval infantry unit do we have, anyway?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> keeping in mind that medieval warfare was mostly cavalry-based anyway
06:25  * Lucifer_arma notes that medieval warfare in freeciv is phalanxes and catapults, and occasionally knights/horsemen, which is totally ass-backwards
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06:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I see what I'm missing.  If you go on a feudalist track you get pikemen for your infantry unit
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06:44 <spidey> medieval
06:44 <spidey> eh
06:49 <luke-jr> he
06:50  * luke-jr pwns #armagetron?
06:50 <luke-jr> :)
06:50 <luke-jr> o
06:50 <luke-jr> #armagetronad?
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I think I figurd something out
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> gunpowder should just give a boost to existing units to reflect the fact that they're starting to use primitive gunpowder weapons
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> cannons should come before muskets
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> also, metallurgy (which gives cannons) should make city walls obsolete
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> then a second building that can be built needs to be created that provides city walls for the gunpowder era :)
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> the uh, problem is that the rules don't let me do the city walls thing :(
06:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: did you fix the sound blocking bug yet
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> no
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> did you?
06:53 <luke-jr> no clue
06:53 <luke-jr> sound is your stuff
06:53 <spidey> ...
06:53 <spidey> city walls obsolete?
06:53 <spidey> gay
06:53 <spidey> it should only make the great wall obsolete
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06:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, I meant more like how barracks get obsoleted
06:55 <spidey> ..
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> so there'd be a City Walls II or something like that :)
06:56 <spidey> what's to upgrade with city walls?
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> which provides City Walls for gunpowder units.  Problem is, I don't think the freeciv rules are that flexible
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_fort
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> that was the development made after castles were rendered obsolete by cannons
06:57 <luke-jr> that page says you're wrong
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> so, what we need is a city wall that provides a second bonus to gunpowder units
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> eh?
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> wrong about what?
06:57 <luke-jr> The complex and sophisticated designs of star forts that preceded them were highly effective against cannon assault, but proved much less effective against the more accurate fire of rifled guns and the destructive power of explosive shells. 
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't say I'm wrong
06:57 <luke-jr> City Walls replace w/ Star Fort :p
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> that only says you can't read
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> except that City Walls aren't Star Fort
06:58 <luke-jr> exactly
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06:58 <Lucifer_arma> city walls were built first, to defend against infantry with swords and spears and shit
06:58 <luke-jr> after castles were obsoleted by canons, they made star forts
06:58  * Arma84 Lucifer_arma
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I said
06:58 <luke-jr> no, you said polygonal was...
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> scroll up and reread what I said
07:02 <spidey> wtf
07:02 <spidey> there's a horse square??????
07:02 <spidey> open terrain1.png
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07:04 <Lucifer_arma> what tileset?
07:05 <luke-jr> hachi 5555
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> icbms?
07:06 <luke-jr> resume
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
07:06 <spidey> ??
07:07 <luke-jr> spidey: hachi 5555
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07:26 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
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07:45 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
07:47 <Durka> hi zman
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07:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
07:53 <Durka> sorry for upploading all of those
07:53 <Durka> BUT
07:53 <Durka> each of them can be used for different things
07:53 <luke-jr> ...
07:53 <Durka> 0.3 is a smaller version
07:54 <luke-jr> upload as many as make sense
07:54 <luke-jr> and more
07:54 <Durka> lol
07:54 <Durka> its team sumo
07:54 <luke-jr> note that SIZE_FACTOR does exist, tho :)
07:54 <Durka> not size factor
07:54 <Durka> i mean the zone sizes
07:55 <luke-jr> o
07:56 <luke-jr> I think the Resource element needs a new attribute
07:56 <luke-jr> Variant
07:56 <luke-jr> :)
07:59 <Durka> i put ALL of the settings for team sumo
07:59 <Durka> if you want you could put up a team sumo server
08:00 <Durka> just put the line: MAP_FILE Durka/sumo/team-0.0.5.aamap.xml
08:00 <Durka> :p
08:01 <luke-jr> that's a bad thing
08:02 <luke-jr> it means all your maps will break by 1.0
08:02 <luke-jr> or at least be in backwards compatibility mode
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08:04 <manta> Durka: my internet disconected
08:05 <Durka> ok its all good now
08:05 <Durka> its working perfectly...so far :p
08:06 <Durka> go into the server so i can tell u the settings
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08:30 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/sumo/team-0.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
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09:42 <spidey> luke wussies out to much :p
09:43  * spidey goes to watch scream
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09:44 <spidey> ...
09:44 <spidey> spanish
09:44 <spidey> i'm not spanish :<
09:52 <manta> spidey:  Adios amigo  
09:53 <spidey> :/
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13:08 <DrJoeTron> anyone wanna give me a hand with working with livecd?
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13:13 <DrJoeTron> damn it
13:15 <spidey> ?
13:15 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wtf you want a windows live cd for?
13:15 <DrJoeTron> nah its ubuntu
13:15 <spidey> lol
13:16 <spidey> what exactly do you want to do with it?
13:16 <spidey> you on it now?
13:16 <DrJoeTron> fucking load :D
13:16 <spidey> load?
13:16 <spidey> eh?
13:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah
13:16 <DrJoeTron> it wont boot
13:16 <spidey> ...
13:16 <spidey> why
13:16 <DrJoeTron> ck if i know
13:16 <spidey> does it give errors?
13:17 <DrJoeTron> not at al
13:17 <DrJoeTron> its like "oh man, i think i should load windows"
13:17 <spidey> lol!
13:17 <DrJoeTron> but i want you to boot the cd? "ok, windows it is"
13:17 <spidey> dude
13:17 <spidey> do this
13:17 <spidey> reboot
13:17 <spidey> hit F12
13:17 <spidey> or whatever brings you to the bios config
13:17 <DrJoeTron> i set it to boot off of the cd
13:17 <DrJoeTron> dur
13:18 <spidey> how many cd-rom drives you got?
13:18 <DrJoeTron> 1
13:18 <spidey> try disabling the harddrives
13:18 <DrJoeTron> i did
13:18 <spidey> ....
13:18 <spidey> wtf
13:18 <DrJoeTron> and then its like HEY WAR R THE DRIVES? OOP, FOUN DTHEM LOAD WINDOWS ^_^ KEKEKEKE
13:19 <DrJoeTron> and then i discovered disabling booting form other devices
13:19 <spidey> well
13:19 <spidey> sucks. heh
13:19 <spidey> besides, mepis is a better choice :p
13:19 <spidey> www.mepis.org
13:19 <DrJoeTron> and it went "herp derp, IM NOT BOOTING!"
13:19 <DrJoeTron> i've got more friends who use ubuntu
13:19 <spidey> so?
13:19 <DrJoeTron> can get better support
13:20 <spidey> no
13:20 <spidey> ubuntu is a debian distro
13:20 <DrJoeTron> i plan on reformating over break
13:20 <spidey> mepis is a debian distro
13:20 <spidey> besides
13:20 <spidey> what isn't precompiled, you can compile
13:21 <DrJoeTron> i dont know  how to compile "/
13:21 <spidey> ..
13:21 <DrJoeTron> well i dont
13:21 <DrJoeTron> i've been raised off of window all of my life
13:22 <spidey> so was i :p
13:22 <spidey> linux isn't that hard, heh
13:22 <DrJoeTron> it shouldnt be
13:22 <DrJoeTron> yet i feel like a total dweeb that livecd wont fucking work
13:22 <DrJoeTron> i'll just try and redownload it
13:22 <spidey> ..
13:23 <spidey> why a live cd?
13:23 <DrJoeTron> cause i wanna try it out first
13:23 <DrJoeTron> before i consider dual booting
13:23 <spidey> livecd doesn't really show you anything
13:24 <DrJoeTron> it wil be showing me something
13:24 <spidey> just the gui? :p
13:25 <DrJoeTron> yup!
13:25 <DrJoeTron> thats all i need
13:25 <spidey> lol
13:26 <DrJoeTron> my friend was trying out the livecd
13:27 <DrJoeTron> and was like "il just use this forever and run everything needed for windows will be ran through wine :D!
13:27 <spidey> no
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13:28 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah tell me about it
13:28 <spidey> you plan on running games in wine?
13:28 <DrJoeTron> fuck no
13:28 <DrJoeTron> this was her
13:28 <DrJoeTron> not i
13:28 <DrJoeTron> i know better
13:28 <spidey> wine doesn't really support dX, heh
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13:28 <DrJoeTron> im aware
13:28 <spidey> joe
13:28 <spidey> send me a blank cd :(
13:28 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:29 <DrJoeTron> give me your address
13:29 <spidey> hmm
13:29 <spidey> it'd be scratched to hell by the time it got here :p
13:30 <spidey> i've considered running vmware in *nix for games
13:30 <spidey> but i dunno how it'll run =/
13:31 <spidey> oh
13:31 <spidey> btw
13:31 <spidey> mepis uses a ubuntu kernal
13:31 <spidey> the new version does anyhow
13:32 <DrJoeTron> thats great
13:32 <DrJoeTron> so does ubuntu :V
13:32 <spidey> you sure?
13:32 <spidey> ;x
13:33 <spidey> Linux just isn't user-friendly when it comes to viruses. You have to work to find and run them. It doesn't happen automatically as it does with Windows. The GNU/Linux folks really should improve this glaring discrepancy.
13:33 <spidey> LOL
13:46 <spidey> DrJoeTron, you use photoshop?
13:46 <DrJoeTron> yup
13:46 <spidey> i've only been able to make annoying things
13:46 <spidey> like this motion blur thing that makes your eyes water
13:46 <DrJoeTron> found the filters tab i see?
13:46 <spidey> yea :D
13:47 <DrJoeTron> i try my hardest not to use filters
13:47 <spidey> i like the lins flare :/
13:47 <DrJoeTron> yeah i bet you do, you dweeb
13:47 <spidey> lol
13:47 <DrJoeTron> do yourself a favor
13:47 <DrJoeTron> use it little as possible
13:47 <DrJoeTron> because a year from now you're gonna go "my god i was so lame"
13:47 <spidey> i haven't actually figured out howto use it :D
13:47 <DrJoeTron> which is why i dont do my web comic anymore
13:48 <DrJoeTron> what version do you have?
13:48 <spidey> cs2
13:48 <spidey> the lates
13:48 <spidey> latest
13:48 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:48 <DrJoeTron> did you get illustrator with it?
13:48 <spidey> mmm?
13:48 <DrJoeTron> or just photoshop
13:48 <spidey> i get a popup with some howto stuff that doesn't really explain anything
13:48 <spidey> lol
13:49 <DrJoeTron> i have illiustratpr cs2 and photoshop cs1 (8.0)
13:49 <DrJoeTron> and before that i had 5.0
13:49 <spidey> i remember along time ago
13:49 <DrJoeTron> wanna learn some cheap parlor tricks?
13:49 <spidey> i tried to run ps with 128mb of ram
13:49 <spidey> yea i done used the polar filter :
13:49 <spidey> :p
13:50 <DrJoeTron> heres a quick easy one
13:50 <DrJoeTron> make a new document, 500x500
13:51 <DrJoeTron> make the backround black
13:51 <spidey> sec
13:51 <DrJoeTron> let me know when you're ready
13:51 <DrJoeTron> and while your doing that, i'll find something else for you
13:52 <DrJoeTron> im just testing them out to see if i still remember them
13:52 <spidey> k
13:52 <spidey> done
13:53 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:53 <DrJoeTron> next go to filter > render > clouds
13:53 <spidey> k
13:53 <spidey> done
13:54 <DrJoeTron> ok now
13:54 <DrJoeTron> filter > pixelate > mezotint
13:54 <DrJoeTron> select medium lines
13:54 <spidey> done
13:54 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:54 <DrJoeTron> now
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13:55 <DrJoeTron> filter > blur > radial blur > blur method zoom > quality best > amount 100
13:55 <DrJoeTron> then hit ctrl-U
13:56 <DrJoeTron> which brings up hue/saturation
13:56 <DrJoeTron> check the colorize box
13:56 <DrJoeTron> fuck with the hue and saturation
13:56 <DrJoeTron> and presto
13:56 <spidey> cool
13:56 <DrJoeTron> like i said
13:57 <DrJoeTron> its a cute little trick
13:57 <DrJoeTron> im trying to remember one but its escaping me
13:57 <DrJoeTron> big tip
13:57 <DrJoeTron> layers
13:57 <DrJoeTron> they are your friend
13:57 <DrJoeTron> the bestest friend ever
13:57 <DrJoeTron> and feel free to fuck with the symbols and use them for shit they arent supposed to be for
13:58 <spidey> symbolsS?
13:58 <spidey> like
13:58 <spidey> any idea how to change text and stuff
13:58 <spidey> like, for a logo?
13:59 <DrJoeTron> course i do
13:59 <DrJoeTron> what are you trying to accomplish?
14:00 <DrJoeTron> www.w-w-c.net is all of the stuff i did
14:01 <spidey> hmm
14:01 <spidey> just text styles
14:01 <spidey> is that a ps layout?
14:01 <DrJoeTron> sort of
14:01 <DrJoeTron> i drew it up in photoshop
14:03 <DrJoeTron> ive been using photoshop for about 4 years now
14:04 <DrJoeTron> nah
14:04 <DrJoeTron> 5 years
14:05 <spidey> btw
14:05 <spidey> htf i save it as a .jpg
14:05 <DrJoeTron> htf?
14:05 <DrJoeTron> how?
14:06 <spidey> how the fuck
14:06 <DrJoeTron> is it jpeg worthy?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> or do you wanna make it a gif
14:06 <DrJoeTron> ask yourself!
14:06 <DrJoeTron> whats it going for
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14:07 <spidey> nothing, it's just that stupid thing
14:07 <spidey> lol
14:07 <spidey> :D
14:07 <DrJoeTron> other wise its just file save as
14:07 <DrJoeTron> jpg
14:07 <spidey> that only gives me .psd
14:07 <DrJoeTron> durr
14:07 <spidey> nothing else
14:07 <DrJoeTron> hmm...
14:08 <spidey> i've only been able to save it as .gif's
14:08 <DrJoeTron> you clicked format and it gave you lip?
14:08 <DrJoeTron> it just said psd?
14:08 <DrJoeTron> because psd is the default
14:09 <DrJoeTron> format will give you many
14:09 <spidey> ?
14:09 <spidey> save as type only gives me psd
14:10 <spidey> there isn't a "all" so i can rename it
14:10 <spidey> heh
14:10 <DrJoeTron> im thinking here
14:10 <DrJoeTron> because thats odd
14:10 <DrJoeTron> click save a copyu
14:10 <DrJoeTron> save as a copy i mean
14:10 <spidey> http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/834/untitled1xu0.gif
14:10 <DrJoeTron> that might give you a work around
14:10 <spidey> :D:D
14:11 <DrJoeTron> my latest thing to do is work with mspaint
14:11 <spidey> i don't have mspaint cause i'm leet
14:11 <spidey> :p
14:12 <spidey> actually the reason i installed ps was so i could do screenshots =/
14:13 <DrJoeTron> hah
14:13 <DrJoeTron> well then remember this
14:13 <DrJoeTron> when you want to shrink the size or anything
14:14 <DrJoeTron> hit ctrl-T
14:14 <DrJoeTron> it will do wonders to it
14:14 <spidey> image/image size
14:14 <spidey> :p
14:14 <DrJoeTron> no
14:14 <DrJoeTron> ctrl t
14:14 <DrJoeTron> does it all for you
14:14 <DrJoeTron> t = transform
14:14 <spidey> ah
14:14 <spidey> cool
14:16 <spidey> i really like the craquelure
14:17 <spidey> what's that other thing?
14:18 <DrJoeTron> what other thing
14:19 <spidey> <DrJoeTron> and while your doing that, i'll find something else for you
14:19 <DrJoeTron> i forgot it :/
14:19 <spidey> lol
14:19 <DrJoeTron> or its too much work to do it
14:19 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
14:19 <DrJoeTron> if you need help lemme know
14:20 <DrJoeTron> i need excuses to use photoshop
14:20 <spidey> lol
14:20 <spidey> k
14:25 <DrJoeTron> holy fuck
14:25 <DrJoeTron> raisin bran crunch
14:25 <DrJoeTron> why is it so amazing'
14:26 <spidey> o.O
14:30 <spidey> joe
14:30 <spidey> once i'm done using the type layor how do i tell it i'm done typing >.>
14:30 <spidey> it like
14:30 <spidey> won't go away
14:30 <spidey> :|
14:31 <MaZuffeR> click on another layer or another tool
14:31 <DrJoeTron> thanks maz
14:32 <MaZuffeR> yw
14:32 <DrJoeTron> i was busy eating manly food
14:32 <spidey> fruity loops doesn't count :p
14:32 <DrJoeTron> what a horrible program
14:34 <spidey> lol
14:39 <DrJoeTron> http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=4289&p=6 play this game! and beat it!
14:39 <DrJoeTron> it should take you a minute
14:45 <spidey> sec
14:46 <spidey> hm
14:46 <spidey> it's loading slow
14:47 <spidey> argh
14:48 <DrJoeTron> nah
14:48 <DrJoeTron> scroll all the way down
14:48 <DrJoeTron> lowtax broke the site
14:53 <spidey> why won't it let me use inverse?
14:55 <DrJoeTron> the game?
14:56 <DrJoeTron> because it was made in less than a week
14:56 <spidey> ps :p
14:56 <DrJoeTron> what are you trying to do?
14:56 <spidey> http://www.rtideas.com/ticks/photoshop_t2/Big_Freeze.html#anchor263178
14:57 <DrJoeTron> i refuse to condone this
14:57 <spidey> :(
14:58 <DrJoeTron> www.good-tutorials.com here you go
14:58 <DrJoeTron> go there 
14:59 <spidey> grrr
14:59 <spidey> i get the feeling i'ma have to restart my router
15:04 <spidey> hmm
15:04 <spidey> gay
15:04 <spidey> i love how imageready always starts instead of pscs2
15:10 <MaZuffeR> and you don't know how to change that?
15:10 <spidey> ?
15:10 <spidey> sure, click pscs2 instead of imageready :D
15:11 <spidey> they're side-by-side and really small icons
15:11 <MaZuffeR> ah, i though you meant when opening a file
15:11 <MaZuffeR> thought*
15:11 <spidey> right click -> open with
15:11 <spidey> :p
15:12 <MaZuffeR> yeah, but so that it opens with the right program when you double click on it
15:12 <spidey> http://www.retireat21.com/tutorials/websitelayout/ps1.jpg
15:13 <spidey> mine doesn't look like that :(
15:13 <MaZuffeR> different version probably
15:18 <spidey> http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9642/testmh7.jpg
15:18 <spidey> that's what mine looks like =/
15:19 <MaZuffeR> lol
15:19 <MaZuffeR> click on gradient overlay
15:19 <spidey> ohhhhhhhhhhhh
15:19  * spidey is dumb :(
15:21 <DrJoeTron> i like 8.0
15:21 <DrJoeTron> :)
15:22 <spidey> i'm using like, 9.somthing
15:23 <DrJoeTron> you're on 9
15:23 <DrJoeTron> alright il brb i gotta take my mama to work
15:25 <spidey> k
15:51 <DrJoeTron> ;
15:51 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah
15:51 <DrJoeTron> venture bros season 2 dvd set for April 17, 2007!
15:51 <DrJoeTron> :D
15:54 <spidey> o.O
15:54 <spidey> hmm
15:54 <spidey> i like this
15:56 <spidey> DrJoeTron, can i edit a old layer without losing all the layers after it?
15:56 <DrJoeTron> course
15:56 <spidey> how?
15:56 <DrJoeTron> select the layer
15:56 <DrJoeTron> in the layer window
15:56 <DrJoeTron> and bam
15:57 <spidey> ohhhhh
15:57 <spidey> ty
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15:58 <DrJoeTron> i need a new fucking monitor
15:59 <DrJoeTron> its killing my eyes
16:00 <DrJoeTron> bbl
16:00 <spidey> http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7356/thingyba8.jpg
16:01 <DrJoeTron> :/
16:01 <spidey> ?
16:01 <DrJoeTron> pick colors that are easy on the eyes
16:02 <spidey> ...
16:02 <spidey> what's wrong with black and orange?
16:03 <DrJoeTron> what kind of site are you making
16:03 <spidey> just playing with it
16:03 <spidey> someone else is making a layout for me :)
16:03 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:04 <spidey> he's better at ps than me =/
16:04 <DrJoeTron> when it coems to stuff like that
16:04 <DrJoeTron> i dont know why
16:04 <DrJoeTron> but i hate getting help from people
16:04 <DrJoeTron> or well
16:04 <DrJoeTron> having them do it for me drives me crazy
16:04 <spidey> well, it's either that or we go back to a half-ass css design, because i do other stuff :p
16:05 <DrJoeTron> i wanna make anew site
16:05 <DrJoeTron> and do web comics
16:05 <DrJoeTron> that arent stupuid fucking sprite comcis
16:05 <spidey> lol
16:06 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/phpBB2
16:06 <spidey> for that
16:07 <spidey> i gotta stop using hard password
16:07 <spidey> i forgot the pass to the webserver, now i have to wait for the host dude to come online so he can reset the password
16:07 <spidey> >.>
16:08 <DrJoeTron> dragonheart?
16:08 <DrJoeTron> whos that?
16:08 <spidey> lizz :p
16:08 <DrJoeTron> ah
16:08 <DrJoeTron> she's still alive
16:08 <DrJoeTron> :)
16:08 <spidey> lol
16:10 <spidey> like
16:10 <spidey> what's the point of having a request thread?
16:10 <spidey> for sigs and stuff
16:10 <DrJoeTron> i hate most signatures
16:10 <spidey> if the guy's gonna make it "his" way and bitch if someone doesn't like it
16:10 <spidey> or wants it a different way
16:11 <spidey> hell, i had to listen to 10 minutes of bitching on x-fire because i asked him to change the background color from white to black
16:11 <spidey> heh
16:12 <DrJoeTron> most of them are consisting of flames, pot leaves, motion blur, and lens flares
16:12 <DrJoeTron> and break tables
16:12 <spidey> nah
16:12 <spidey> you have to register to see it, but it's in the gfx thread
16:13 <spidey> he's good at it...but still =/
16:13 <DrJoeTron> hot link it for me
16:14 <spidey> ?
16:14 <spidey> that doesn't matter :p
16:14 <spidey> still have to register to see it
16:14 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=16
16:14 <DrJoeTron> not if you save it and then photobucket it
16:14 <spidey> what aare you wanting to see?
16:14 <DrJoeTron> i've got enough messageboards to look after
16:15 <spidey> i've got 3 =/
16:16 <spidey> MaZuffeR, you remember the link to the forums .css?
16:16 <MaZuffeR> no, but it's not hard to find
16:16 <spidey> i can't ftp , and my ssh account was disabled because the guy hosts people that like to get DDoS'd =(
16:17 <MaZuffeR> http://www.fallin-angels.com/phpBB2/templates/bcBlackBlu/bcBlackBlu.css
16:17 <spidey> ahhh
16:17 <spidey> i was doing themes
16:17 <spidey> lol
16:17 <spidey> #0184FF what i was looking for
16:18  * spidey goes back to ps
16:19 <spidey> DrJoeTron, can i add custom colors, like 0184FF
16:19 <spidey> instead of picking the colors?
16:20 <spidey> nvm
16:20 <spidey> got it
16:29 <spidey> ok
16:29 <spidey> need help :D
16:29 <spidey> text stuff :/
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17:43 <wrtlprnft> #ping
17:43 <armabot> pong
17:43 <wrtlprnft> grr, what was this nameserver IP again?
17:44 -!- HIM [n=lol@h111n2fls31o977.telia.com] has joined #armagetron
17:44 <HIM> hi all
17:44 <HIM> i need help
17:45 <HIM> someone in here online
17:45 <wrtlprnft> NAMESERVER IP: 4.2.2.1
17:45 <HIM> hallo??
17:45 <HIM> wrtlprnft are you online
17:46 <wrtlprnft> just writing that here so it's easier to find when greping my logs
17:46 <wrtlprnft> HIM: no, what you see of me is a bot
17:46 <HIM> wrtlprnft is it Ô.o
17:46 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft hasn't integrated this bot's functionality into armabot yet
17:46 <HIM> !kill someone
17:47 <wrtlprnft> anyways
17:47 <wrtlprnft> if your server is online, i can't connect to it right now
17:47 <wrtlprnft> so you need to adjust your firewall/router settings
17:47 <wrtlprnft> pretty intelligent bot, eh?
17:47 <HIM> i have no firewall
17:48 <wrtlprnft> i'm .99 positive you have a router.
17:48 <HIM> yeah but i dont know how to get the settings in it
17:48 <wrtlprnft> do you know what kind of router it is?
17:48 <HIM> no?
17:48 <spidey> bbiabout 3 hours
17:48 <spidey> >.>
17:49 <wrtlprnft> well, you'll need to find out.
17:49 -!- spidey [i=Administ@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has quit ["Leaving"]
17:49 <wrtlprnft> just look at the box, for god's sake, i'm sure it's printed on it.
17:52 <HIM> we dont have something that block the port!!
17:52 <wrtlprnft> you do.
17:52 <HIM> no
17:52 <wrtlprnft> just follow the lan cable going out of the back of your computer, or find your wireless access point
17:52 <HIM> im 100% on it
17:53 <HIM> ok you meean the box we have a telia broadband
17:53 <wrtlprnft> if you didn't have anything that blocks the port it would work
17:53 <HIM> but i dont know what blocks that is the problem
17:53 <wrtlprnft> 17:52 <HIM> we dont have something that block the port!!
17:53 <wrtlprnft> well, you have to have *something* that blocks it
17:54 <wrtlprnft> and telia is your provider, not the manufacturer of your router
17:54 <wrtlprnft> 17:44 -!- HIM [n=lol@h111n2fls31o977.telia.com] has joined #armagetron
17:54 <HIM> yeah but i cant find it and i asked my family we dont have somehting that protect
17:55 <wrtlprnft> what about you just follow that damn LAN cable and tell me where it leads to?
17:56 <HIM> our room its a room with a box and cable that leads to my computer
17:57 <wrtlprnft> well, what kind of box is it?
17:57 <HIM> its a box with a cble that lead to our telephone
17:58 <HIM> but we have broadband
17:58 <wrtlprnft> now what's printed on the box?
17:58 <wrtlprnft> company name, model number, anything?
17:59 <HIM> i dont know
17:59 <HIM> wait i should look
17:59 <HIM> topcom xplorer 874A
18:00 <HIM> hallo?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> sec
18:01 <wrtlprnft> http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Topcom/Xplorer870+/F-22_Lightning_3.htm
18:01 <wrtlprnft> it's for a slightly different model, but it should be fine
18:03 <wrtlprnft> note that you *only* need to forward port 4534, not the others
18:04 <HIM> but is default port open for my server
18:05 <HIM> haha i dont know what the password and username is
18:06 <MaZuffeR> try username: admin and password: password
18:07 <wrtlprnft> By default the username is admin, and the password is 12345678. Click the Ok button to log in to your router.
18:07 <wrtlprnft> that's what the page says
18:07 <wrtlprnft> that's one of the main reason i wanted to know your router model, I could have guessed the IP
18:07 <HIM> mazuffer it worked thanks
18:07 <MaZuffeR> yw
18:08 <HIM> but then when im in what should i do
18:09 <wrtlprnft> look for “port forwarding” or “applications/gaming” or something similar
18:09 <luke-jr> omg
18:09 <luke-jr> this is why we need Upnp support =p
18:09 <wrtlprnft> or “inbound servers”
18:11 <HIM> cant find something about that
18:11 <wrtlprnft> HIM: what about a screenshot of the main screen?
18:12 <HIM> nja
18:12 <luke-jr> HIM: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
18:13 <HIM> i dont want to pay for server hosting
18:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i win :P
18:13 <luke-jr> HIM: well then learn to be competent with computers :)
18:14 <wrtlprnft> become a 1337 h@xx0R to run an arma server ;)
18:16 <wrtlprnft> what the f***
18:16 <HIM> status|quick start|configuration|save config what should i go in to
18:16 <luke-jr> Config
18:16 <HIM> and then
18:16 <luke-jr> ...
18:16 <HIM> Wan|Lan|system|firewall|virtual server|advanced what should i do
18:16 <luke-jr> HIM: next step is to place your fingers in your ears, and run around outside screaming
18:16 <luke-jr> eh, try virtual server :p
18:16 <wrtlprnft> this darn DHCP thing keeps overwriting my nameserver
18:17 <wrtlprnft> with a nameserver that appears to be down, that is
18:17 <HIM> ok what port should i open
18:17 <luke-jr> ............
18:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: dhcp_eth0=nodns
18:17 <HIM> can someone script in mirc :P
18:17 <luke-jr> [17:03:32] <wrtlprnft> note that you *only* need to forward port 4534, not the others
18:17 <luke-jr> mIrc sucks
18:18 <wrtlprnft> HIM: 4534
18:18 <HIM> ok it should work know
18:18 <wrtlprnft> and select UDP, not TCP
18:18 <luke-jr> HIM: "now" doesn't have a 'k'
18:19 <HIM> ?
18:19 <HIM> XD
18:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: in theory i like the idea of the nameserver reverting if i reboot the computer, in the hope that my provider's nameserver will be fixed
18:19 <wrtlprnft> but it shouldn't revert 5 minutes after i changed it
18:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I'd never suggest using ISP nameservers
18:20 <luke-jr> they're generally broken
18:20 <wrtlprnft> HIM: can't connect. is the server running and did you press “OK“ or “add” or whatever in the router config?
18:20 <HIM> if someone need help with this channel i can help im good at script in mirc and javascript
18:20 <luke-jr> mirc sucks
18:20  * wrtlprnft uses IRSSI, even though luke-jr thinks that sucks, too
18:20 <HIM> i pressed add
18:21 <luke-jr> no, irssi is decent
18:21 <wrtlprnft> and is there an ok button, too? router configs are awkward sometimes
18:21 <wrtlprnft> the best is to close it and open it again and see if your changes were saved
18:21 <luke-jr> #insult HIM
18:21 <armabot> HIM - You are nothing but a humid puddle of dizzy-eyed entrails. 
18:22 <HIM> armabot lol
18:22 <MaZuffeR> HIM: press save config
18:22 <HIM> i have done
18:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i remember you saying something different
18:23 <HIM> ~[xS]~HÎM
18:23 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: just because I can't use it doesn't mean it isn't decent
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18:27 <luke-jr> how rude
18:27 <luke-jr> not even a "thanks"
18:28 <luke-jr> oh fun
18:28 <luke-jr> trunk doesn't compile
18:28 <luke-jr> make: *** No rule to make target `ax_boost_base.m4', needed by `Makefile.in'.  Stop.
18:29  * luke-jr reconfigures
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18:45 <spidey> man
18:45 <spidey> i just gave the electronics section of my room a makeover >.>
18:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: yeah, got that too, rebootstrapping and reconfiguring helped
18:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: threw it out of the window?
18:47 <spidey> that would have saved sooooooooo much time
18:47 <spidey> =/
18:47 <wrtlprnft> !#@$ name server!
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18:47 <spidey> they need like
18:48 <spidey> a way to install *nix while windows is running
18:48 <spidey> that'd own
18:48 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Thoughtless&rcid=15299
18:48 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:49 <wrtlprnft> > Anything the person directing you here would have written personally would have been a lot less polite.
18:49 <wrtlprnft> indeed
18:50 <spidey> lol
18:50  * wrtlprnft is waiting for z-man to use it
18:50 <wrtlprnft> i can guess where he wants to us it.
18:50 <spidey> haha
18:51 <spidey> hm
18:51 <spidey> does the wiki have a article on portforwording ? :p
18:51 <spidey> since that's like 50% of the problem half the time
18:51 <spidey> lol
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18:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: sure
18:54 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/FAQ#I_did_that.2C_but_my_server_still_is_not_listed._What_else_can_be_wrong.3F
18:55 <spidey> btw
18:56 <spidey> most nats don't allow you to connect to your external ip, so if someone is behind a router and did do that, they might not still be able to connect, if they try to connect from the master list :p
18:56 <spidey> i know mine doesn't :/
18:56 <wrtlprnft> handled on the wiki as well
18:56 <spidey> yea just read it ;x
18:56 <wrtlprnft> stupid broken boxes. Mine works fine :)
18:57 <spidey> lol
18:57 <spidey> it's not a box :p
18:57 <spidey> if i used a box for a router, sure i could to :p
18:57 <wrtlprnft> it came in a box, probably
18:57 <spidey> lol
18:58 <wrtlprnft> box = piece of dumb electronical equipment
18:58 <spidey> well
18:58 <spidey> my server's just a tower, a power cord, and a ethernet cord
18:58 <spidey> so it's a "box" :p
18:59 <wrtlprnft> what proves that it isn't dumb?
18:59 <spidey> it can do math :D
19:00 <wrtlprnft> can it do a mathematical prove?
19:00 <guru3> proof
19:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:00 <spidey> lol
19:00 <wrtlprnft> sorry
19:00 <spidey> sure
19:01  * spidey fires up the caculator
19:01 <wrtlprnft> let it prove tan(x) = sin(x) * (cos(x))^(-1)
19:01 <spidey> o.O
19:02 <spidey> hm
19:02 <spidey> wtf
19:02 <spidey> my internal ip's changed
19:02 <spidey> yet i plugged them back into the same ports >.>
19:09 <luke-jr> ports have nothing to do with IPs
19:09 <luke-jr> dummy
19:26 <spidey> sure they do
19:26 <spidey> if i didn't boot my other computer before this one
19:26 <spidey> this one should be assigned the next ip in the pool, right?
19:29 <luke-jr_work> nope
19:29 <luke-jr_work> wrong
19:30 <luke-jr_work> first, it should see if they're assigned a static IP and give that
19:31 <luke-jr_work> then, it should see if the requested IP is within the valid range, and if so authorize that
19:31 <luke-jr_work> if there's none of those, then it can do something sequential/random and pick one
19:32 <luke-jr_work> and use that if it's not already leased or if it doesn't respond to a ping
19:32 <luke-jr_work> but never does it have anything to do with what port the cable is plugged into
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19:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb
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21:10 <wrtlprnft> finally that stupid nameserver's back up
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21:27 <wrtlprnft> and down again…
21:30 <Commn> wrtl
21:31 <Commn> did you ever get vanhayes' recordings?
21:31 <Commn> are they up somewhere?
21:35 <Commn> wrtlprnft
21:35 <Commn> you alive?
21:35 <Commn> heh
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21:41 <wrtlprnft> no
21:41 <wrtlprnft> and no
21:45 <wrtlprnft> dunno what happened to it, but i didn't get any email >1MB lately
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21:50 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft:it wont send it to your email for some reason, tried a few times yesturday but it kept sending me a failure notice
21:52 -!- luke-jr [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-246-32.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
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21:53 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: go grab my first and last name from the AUTHORS file, take the first name, a dot, the last name, add an @ and “web.de”
21:56 <luke-jr> ...
21:56 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: paranoid?
21:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: du bist deutscher? :P
21:56 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: hmm I didnt get a failure notice this time, did you get it?
21:57 <luke-jr_work> hm
21:57 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: jep
21:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
21:57 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_work: do you work at home or are you just really fast?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: you maybe don't have the amount of spam i have
21:58 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yeah, something big is coming
21:58 <Vanhayes> ah ok
21:58 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes, fast?
21:58 <luke-jr_work> oh, hah
21:58 <luke-jr_work> I'm working at home today, yeah
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21:58 <Vanhayes> heh i was gonna say it took you 2 minutes to get to work
21:58 <luke-jr_work> :)
21:58 <luke-jr_work> usually it's 20-30 min
21:59 <wrtlprnft> nice, already bz2'ed
22:00 <wrtlprnft> at least i hope it is
22:01 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~mathias/ssvstm.aarec.txt.bz2
22:01 <wrtlprnft> feel free to post it where you want
22:02 <wrtlprnft> though actually i should have uploaded it to luke-jr_work's server, that would have saved me the traffic
22:02 <luke-jr_work> ...
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22:02 <luke-jr_work> as if my servers are better for that?
22:05 <wrtlprnft> well, the download doesn't need to be fast :P
22:05 <wrtlprnft> aaah, new stuff from voodoo, nice
22:06  * wrtlprnft wouldn't mind having him on the team officially, or at least ask him
22:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: so?
22:09 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: can you try what your value for GL_MAX_CLIP_PLANES is? It's absurdly high on my machine, and i hope it'll be at least 20 on others…
22:10 <luke-jr_work> wtf is that?
22:10 <wrtlprnft> nvm
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i'm wrong
22:11 <luke-jr_work> and who on the team?
22:11 <wrtlprnft> the constant is just a descriptor, you need to call a function to get the value
22:11 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i'll post later
22:12 <luke-jr> o
22:12 <wrtlprnft> he's doing some interesting map stuff
22:13 <luke-jr> who??
22:13 <wrtlprnft> 22:05 <wrtlprnft> aaah, new stuff from voodoo, nice
22:13 <wrtlprnft> 22:06  * wrtlprnft wouldn't mind having him on the team officially, or at least ask him
22:14 <luke-jr_work> voodoo is a guy?
22:15 <wrtlprnft> if emmanuel is a guy name…
22:15 <luke-jr> heh
22:22 <Vanhayes> well it does have the word man in it, id say its a guys name
22:25 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:27 <luke-jr_work> woman has the word man in it too
22:27 <luke-jr_work> :o
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> so?  idiot has the word luke in it, what's your point?
22:30 <luke-jr_work> bs
22:30 <wrtlprnft> that's why you say idi-luke-ot
22:31 <wrtlprnft> ;)
22:31 <luke-jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.19-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.895 MHz) - Processes: 243 - Uptime:  21:31:43 up 34 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.75, 0.70, 1.48 - Memory Usage: 1119MB/2012MB (55%)
22:31 <luke-jr> :)
22:31 <luke-jr> no swap use now :p
22:32  * wrtlprnft has trouble filling up his 1GB
22:34 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft must not be a power user
22:34 <luke-jr> :P
22:34  * wrtlprnft uses enough power, don't worry
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> man, my 3 year old is talking a *lot*
22:46 <luke-jr> lol
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> new research shows morning sickness lowers the risk of miscarriage by almost 70 per cent.
22:55 <GodTodd> that makes sense if it's due to some kind of toxins or something
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what it could be, but my wife puked her guts out with all 3 kids and had 3 relatively straightforward pregnancies
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22:57 <Lucifer_arma> it'll comfort her to know that all that puking amounted to something good :)
22:58 <GodTodd> well...our bodies usually are trying to get bad shit out when we puke
22:58 <GodTodd> they usually don't puke for the hell of it :)
22:58 <GodTodd> karen only had morning sickness when she tasted toothpaste
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but shit is a one-way path through the stomach, the baby's refuse is kept in the placenta and otten rid of only after the baby's born
22:59 <GodTodd> i lost a few toothbrushes that way
22:59 <GodTodd> right....but if the body is puking out toxins that could hurt the fetus then that would make a safer environment
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, there wasn't any single thing that caused my wife to puke.  She'd feel perfectly fine, so we'd screw, then she'd go puke
23:00 <GodTodd> i'd puke if i screwed you too :P
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> true, but that would tend to imply she's eating shit to begin with
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you'd just have the runs
23:00 <GodTodd> nah...there's a lot of ways we get toxins in the body
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, afaik, toxins and shit only get into your stomach through your mouth, although I seem to remember that your body will pull some toxins into the stomach and puke it out
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> but I read that in a remo williams book, so the source is questionable :)
23:01 <GodTodd> heh
23:01 <GodTodd> we breathe in toxins all the time
23:01 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: my wife didn't even get morning sickness
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> still, it does make sense that your body could be bringing toxins into the stomach from other parts and puking it, then morning sickness would be a good thing
23:02 <GodTodd> not to mention that a "toxin" could be a dormant virus that the host never comes down with
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> and you get toxins even as a byproduct of regular digestion
23:02 <GodTodd> yep
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: then she didn't have a 70% reduction in her chances of a miscarriage
23:02 <luke-jr> heh
23:03  * Lucifer_arma notes the study doesn't say "if you don't get morning sickness, you'll miscarry"
23:03 <luke-jr> not from that at least
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, if god wanted her to have a kid, he couldn't very well let her miscarry, now could he?
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's only us satan-worshippers that have to worry about that stuff
23:04 <luke-jr> true
23:04 <luke-jr> :)
23:04 <GodTodd> heh...there must be a god....luke got laid at least once....explain that one without alcohol or divine intervention 
23:04 <GodTodd> :)
23:04 <GodTodd> insanity, possibly, i suppose
23:05 <luke-jr> GodTodd: something wrong with insanity??
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, coincidence is all that's needed
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> besides, him saying he got laid doesn't make it true
23:05 <GodTodd> ooh...maybe it was immaculate conception
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know what they say about catholic girls...
23:05 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you're saying I'm immaculate?
23:05 <GodTodd> with their tiny little mustache?
23:05 <GodTodd> :)
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:06 <GodTodd> luke-jr: no...i'm saying maybe you're a virgin and your wife got nailed by god
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> and worse yet, she probably liked it
23:06 <GodTodd> how do you dna test god?
23:06 <GodTodd> hmmm
23:06 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you're saying I'm God?
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, could Luke's wife do Swedish with God?
23:06 <GodTodd> not at all
23:07 <luke-jr> GodTodd: why not?
23:07 <luke-jr> :p
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23:07 <luke-jr> ghableska: hi
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: that's blasphemy
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> evil blasphemer!
23:07 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: GodTodd said it
23:07 <GodTodd> no, GodTodd said maybe you're a virgin and your wife got nailed by god
23:07 <GodTodd> read once before typing
23:07 <luke-jr> so you're saying not only am I God, but I'm a virgin who's had sex
23:08 <GodTodd> read once before typing
23:08 <ghableska> hi Lucifer_arma
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm a god
23:08 <GodTodd> i'm a god
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> my wife goes "oh god oh god oh god oh GOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!"
23:08 <GodTodd> <------------- see?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> hi ghableska (hi there!) 
23:08 <luke-jr> I'm a king
23:08 <luke-jr> King of Missouri
23:08 <luke-jr> so there
23:09 <luke-jr> my subjects just aren't very loyal
23:09 <luke-jr> :(
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> Missouri's a monarchy?  no wonder they're so fucked up...
23:09 <ghableska> heh
23:09 <luke-jr> yep
23:09 <luke-jr> now it is
23:09 <luke-jr> :p
23:09 <GodTodd> that's like being king of oklahoma or kansas....nothing to brag about
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> king of a few cows, couple of trees, and a bunch of tumbleweeds
23:09 <luke-jr> Sean Murray is king of Ohio
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> Every daaaay!   And none of their mothers ever seem to knoowww
23:10 <GodTodd> was gonna say....now i have zappa in my head...thanks :/
23:10 <GodTodd> heh
23:10 <luke-jr> ...wtf?
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he's singing that whole song to me right now
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> such a wonderful singing voice, and used well on all that porn rock :)
23:11 <GodTodd> he was never fully understood
23:11 <GodTodd> won't be for a while
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> There's nothing like a Catholic girl, in the CYO, when they learn to blo-oow
23:13 <GodTodd> tho i've always been partial to the classic "why does it hurt when i pee"
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> right after my wife and I got married, I went in the bathroom and sang that song
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> she freaked
23:14 <GodTodd> didn't he die of prostate cancer?
23:14 <GodTodd> heh, i bet
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :(
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> probably could have been saved with stem cell research!
23:15 <GodTodd> probably
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> another casualty in the war against decency
23:15 <GodTodd> so it's luke's fault
23:15 <GodTodd> :)
23:15 <luke-jr> adult stem cells maybe
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> only it did actually hurt when I peed.  It was an interesting couple of months right before we got married...
23:16 <GodTodd> damn...that was what...'93?
23:16 <GodTodd> '94 maybe?
23:16 <luke-jr> 1894
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> sounds about right, it was somewhere between 93 and 96 anyway
23:16 <GodTodd> i think i was at nmsua when he died
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> I was working at SOnic!
23:17 <GodTodd> so that'd put it between june of '93 and july of '94
23:17 <luke-jr> omg
23:17 <luke-jr> Sonic sucks
23:17 <GodTodd> luke-jr sucks
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> (December 21, 1940 – December 4, 1993) 
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa
23:18 <GodTodd> yeah...that sounds right :)
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6471 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/ (cMap.cpp cMap.h):
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: More stuff by voodoo: The clipping area of the map now stays fixed and doesn't
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: turn thanks to some cool openGL functions. I wrapped the thing that defines the
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: planes to clip into a class with virtual functions, so it will be possible to
23:18 <armabot> armagetronad: implement more clipping modes (like a circle) in the future.
23:18 <GodTodd> goddamn wrtl
23:18 <GodTodd> heh
23:19 <wrtlprnft> :P
23:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: wtf? I want it to rotate
23:21 <wrtlprnft> umm
23:21 <wrtlprnft> the whole thing?!
23:21 <luke-jr> um, yeah?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> it's just the clipping area
23:22 <luke-jr> eh?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you check out the latest trunk and press cockpit key 1 a couple of times
23:22 <GodTodd> The PMRC proposal is an ill-conceived piece of nonsense which fails to deliver any real benefits to children, infringes the civil liberties of people who are not children, and promises to keep the courts busy for years dealing with the interpretational and enforcemental problems inherent in the proposal's design.
23:22 <wrtlprnft> though i guess i could add it as an option
23:22 <luke-jr> map-depedent?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> cockpit-dependent.
23:23 <luke-jr> ok :p
23:24 <GodTodd> cock-dependent?
23:24 <GodTodd> dirty people :P
23:24 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:24 <ghableska> O_o
23:24 <wrtlprnft> that's your interpretation
23:24 <wrtlprnft> dirty GodTodd.
23:24 <GodTodd> and?
23:24 <GodTodd> heh
23:25  * ghableska hands GodTodd a bible
23:25  * GodTodd already has one.
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> Whats wrong with something being rooster dependent, thats how i get breakfast
23:25 <luke-jr> lol
23:25  * wrtlprnft goes to amazon.com and orders 13 bibles for GodTodd, annonymously under his name, of course
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> chicken omlet
23:25 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma wins
23:25 <ghableska> heh
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> After being approached by a customer who offered him $100 to produce a suggestive tape for a stag party, Zappa and a female friend jokingly faked the "erotic" recording, which purported to contain the sounds of people having sex (which consisted of Frank and his friend jumping on the bed and making sex sounds). Unfortunately the customer was an undercover member of the Vice Squad and Zappa was jailed for ten days on
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> charges of supplying pornography. His entrapment and brief imprisonment left a permanent mark, and was a key event in the formation of his anti-authoritarian stance.
23:26 <GodTodd> well...actually...i don't think roosters are used at all in a chicken omlet
23:27 <luke-jr> wtf
23:27 <luke-jr> for only $100? easily bribed
23:27 <GodTodd> One of Frank's idols was comedian Lenny Bruce, and the original Mothers of Invention opened for him at his final performance. Before the show, Frank asked Lenny to sign his draft card. Apprehensive, Lenny declined.
23:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, any ideas on how to convert a line in parametric form (a+r*u, where a and u are vectors) to a*x+b*y=-c?
23:28 <wrtlprnft> too tired to get out paper and pencil
23:28 <Your_mom_arma> i dont get what zappa did worth getting arrested
23:28 <GodTodd> he made a porno recording
23:28 <GodTodd> i guess
23:28 <GodTodd> heh
23:29 <Your_mom_arma> i know, how is that arrest worthy though
23:29 <GodTodd> because it is/was a witch hunt
23:29 <GodTodd> duh :P
23:30 <GodTodd> "A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians."
23:30 <GodTodd> - Frank Zappa
23:30 <luke-jr> how do I configure cockpit keys?
23:30  * wrtlprnft grumbles and goes massacring a piece of paper with his pencil
23:30 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: system settings
23:31 <wrtlprnft> misc stuff
23:31 <wrtlprnft> global keyboard config
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> he provided a recording that was sexually stimulating
23:31 <luke-jr> ...
23:31 <luke-jr> shouldn't it be per-player?
23:31 <luke-jr> in fact, why isn't cockpit_file per-player?
23:31 <Your_mom_arma> sexually stimulating is relative
23:31 <wrtlprnft> isn't currently
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> basically, it's like if a girl walks up to you and says "Wanna screw?" and you ask "How much?".  If she's a cop, you're soliciting for prostitution
23:31 <wrtlprnft> because the current per-player thing sucks anyways
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> you could just be kicking tires, but you've already committed a crime
23:32 <wrtlprnft> though it would be an idea to have an instance of the cockpit for every player
23:32 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ok, so DCT can fix it :p
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the rules have lightened up a bit, and we can probably thank Zappa for it to some extent
23:32 <wrtlprnft> note that the current cockpit doesn't even work correctly in splitscreen with anything but 1 or 4 players
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> Your favorite band has a recording of people having sex on their third album :)
23:33 <Your_mom_arma> and i wouldnt have it any other way
23:33 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: nice
23:34 <wrtlprnft> thank voodoo for the actual graphics, me for making it configurable
23:34 <wrtlprnft> and jonathan for writing the map in the first place
23:34 <luke-jr> heh
23:34 <luke-jr> can I set a default mode? :p
23:34 <wrtlprnft> only in the cockpit file as of right now
23:34 <luke-jr> probably not
23:35 <luke-jr> that's one of those things we need DCT for
23:35 <wrtlprnft> just put your preferred mode at the top
23:35 <luke-jr> the cockpit could reference a made-up setting in the tree somewhere
23:35 <wrtlprnft> yeah, in fact i have a half-working implementation for that
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> no matter what you do your going to offend somebody
23:35 <luke-jr> if you're not Catholic, you're going to Hell
23:36  * luke-jr bets that offends a lot of people
23:36 <wrtlprnft> but it'll probably conflict with your plans big time, so i won't even bother to show you
23:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: for DCT?
23:36 <GodTodd> luke-jr: no...lies don't offend me
23:36 <wrtlprnft> no, for resource-specific settings
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> luke if you like the old cockpit download the one i made
23:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ah, read the DCT thread?
23:36  * wrtlprnft doesn't believe in hell, so luke-jr just talks a bunch of nonsense from my POW
23:36 <luke-jr> Your_mom_arma: I'm fine w/ the new one
23:36 <wrtlprnft> *POV
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> why should I be offended by someone telling me I'm going to hell?
23:36 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: your POV is pretty screwed up then :p
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> I've been saying it for years anyway.  Why would I want to go to heaven?  Heaven's ruled by a fascist dictator.
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> Concentration camps were invented in heaven
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> man only copied the design
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> tbrutal
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld rather go to hell then just not exist
23:38 <GodTodd> well....hitler was created in god's image ;)
23:38  * ghableska once again points to the link http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
23:39 <wrtlprnft> just stfu and let me work on this f** conversion, will you?
23:39 <wrtlprnft> ;)
23:39 <Your_mom_arma> i dont like the born again catholics, it looks like a cult(moreso then some of the wakier relegions) to me
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> In 1980, Zappa helped former band members Warren Cuccurullo, 
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I didn't know Warren Cuccurullo was a real person!
23:39 <ghableska> 378. ARGUMENT FROM GEORGE W. BUSH 
23:39 <ghableska> (1) That god won't hunt. 
23:39 <ghableska> (2) Y'all. 
23:39 <ghableska> (3) Ergo, um, axle of evil, ahh, claridify, umm, supportification, ah, pretzel. 
23:39 <ghableska> (3) Y'all.
23:39 <ghableska> (4) What he said.
23:39 <ghableska> (5) Therefore, God existifies.
23:39 <ghableska> (2) Launch.
23:39 <ghableska> heh
23:39 <luke-jr> ROFL
23:41 <ghableska> 365. ARGUMENT FROM ANAL FRUSTRATION
23:41 <ghableska> (1) God my ASS!!
23:41 <ghableska> (2) My ass exists.
23:41 <ghableska> (3) Therefore, God exists.
23:42 <GodTodd> ARGUMENT FROM ALIENS
23:42 <GodTodd> (1) Everyone knows that aliens don't exist.
23:42 <GodTodd> (2) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
23:42 <GodTodd> (3) Oh, but God's different!
23:42 <GodTodd> (4) Therefore, God exists
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I think I saw the crossfire episodes with Zappa arguing with the PMRC guys
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> cat shit exists, therefore there's a god of cat shit!
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr, God of Cat Shit
23:44 <GodTodd> # ARGUMENT FROM JESUS LOVES ME
23:44 <GodTodd> (1) Jesus loves me because the Bible says so.
23:44 <GodTodd> (2) If radiometric dating is valid, then Jesus might not love me after all because the Bible might not be literal truth.
23:44 <GodTodd> (3) That's unacceptable.
23:44 <GodTodd> (4) Therefore, radiometric dating is bogus, the Bible is literally true, Jesus loves me, and God exists.
23:44 <GodTodd> bahahaha
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> Jesus loves me with all his throat
23:50 -!- Legit [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
23:50 <wrtlprnft> hi
23:50 <luke-jr> hi
23:53 <Vanhayes> #hello
23:53 <armabot> Hello Vanhayes :) Random Fortune: Q: Why did the astrophysicist order three hamburgers? || A: Because he was hungry.
23:55 <Your_mom_arma> haha

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