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Log from 2006-11-10:
--- Day changed Fri Nov 10 2006
00:06 <Ady> hi
00:06 <wrtlprnft> hi
00:07  * wrtlprnft will be going to bed soon
00:07  * Ady same
00:07  * spidey samenot
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00:13 <Compn> #armaservers
00:13 <armabot> Compn: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (14 players) || Nixda.net - Sumo Server (9 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (7 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (6 players) || armagetron.nixda.net (Original) (6 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (6 players) || -=:[Welknown Server]:=- (5 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (5 players) || (1 more message)
00:14 <Ady> #serverinfo craz
00:14 <armabot> Ady: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (14/14): $[ICE]$ [Tyler], ={S}=|VanD3TTa|, CTxCrispyNoodle, CT|Ðq.Fu×|, CT×ECB, Dragon, niro, Perdio, sycophant, TOM, Zop, [mho]ese, ~|Sh0j0|~, «­åæ£,ÇÄ®º
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00:21 <Vanhayes> hmm
00:21 <Vanhayes> #coin
00:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: tails
00:21 <Vanhayes> heads I head out tails I dont bother
00:21 <Vanhayes> #coin
00:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: heads
00:21 <Vanhayes> ok then be back in a while
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00:33 <DrJoeTr0n> half of my kit came in today :/
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00:34 <joda_bot> hi all
00:34 <joda_bot> Is z-man around ?
00:36 <DrJoeTr0n> he quit armagetron
00:36 <DrJoeTr0n> never to return
00:36 <DrJoeTr0n> its actually a pretty fun story
00:38 <Your_mom_arma> does it involve robots?
00:39 <DrJoeTr0n> fembots
00:39 <DrJoeTr0n> and something about subway turnstials
00:39 <DrJoeTr0n> i...i cant remember specifics
00:40 <joda_bot> :-)
00:41 <Vanhayes> Bah, Rain sucks
00:42 <joda_bot> make him snow ;)
00:42 <DrJoeTr0n> or destroy the earths climates
00:42 <Vanhayes> Im on it
00:43 <DrJoeTr0n> or move to mars
00:43 <DrJoeTr0n> pre total recall
00:43 <Your_mom_arma> joe does your kit come with a cowbell?
00:44 <Vanhayes> Im gonna buy a tonnes of areosol cans and just spray them untill the wether changes
00:44 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:44 <Vanhayes> man the cowbell is essential
00:46  * Vanhayes always thinks of will ferral in that SNL skit whenever I hear a cowbell
00:46 <DrJoeTr0n> i already have a cowbell
00:46 <DrJoeTr0n> it sounds like the one from low rider too :d
00:47 <Vanhayes> hmm, anyone know any buddhists?
00:48 <DrJoeTr0n> i do
00:49  * Your_mom_arma does
00:49 <DrJoeTr0n> aww the bass drum pedal is snapped :/
00:50 <DrJoeTr0n> ah whatever, i have one thats already a billion time better
01:04 <Vanhayes> well, someone just called saying they were from the buddhist temple, asking if I would like to support them.
01:04 <Vanhayes> And this is the first time Ive heard of that, so I think it might have been a scam
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> sounds like it
01:06 <Your_mom_arma> especially since they're supposed to strive to want nothing iirc
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01:12 <DrJoeTr0n> haha
01:12 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah
01:13 <DrJoeTr0n> sounds likea  protestant church in disguise :d
01:14 <luke-jr_> dumb protestants
01:15 <DrJoeTr0n> not dumb
01:15 <DrJoeTr0n> crafty
01:15 <DrJoeTr0n> ;d
01:15 <luke-jr_> dumb too
01:15 <luke-jr_> most anyhow
01:15 <DrJoeTr0n> does UPS ship on national holidays?
01:28 <spidey> when's a national holiday?
01:31 <luke-jr_> lol
01:32 <DrJoeTr0n> tommarow
01:32 <spidey> ...
01:32 <DrJoeTr0n> veterans day?
01:33 <Vanhayes> rememberance day is saturday
01:34 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig team
01:34 <DrJoeTr0n> and give your joe presents day is next saturday :D
01:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_COLOR: Allow a team to be named after a color (default: 1) || ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_LEADER: Set to 1 to allow team leader to set a team, 0 otherwise. (default: 0) || ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_PLAYER: Allow a team to be named after the leading player (default: 1) || AUTO_TEAM: Flag indicating whether players should be put into teams automatically. (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM: Multiplicator to (9 more messages)
01:36 <Vanhayes> ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_LEADER: Set to 1 to allow team leader to set a team, 0 otherwise. anyon know how that works?
01:38 <spidey> ??
01:38 <spidey> team name
01:38 <spidey> ?
01:38 <spidey> like
01:38 <spidey> spidey - team pwnage
01:38 <spidey> like blue and gold
01:38 <Vanhayes> ya, tried it but it didnt work
01:38 <spidey> team red and team green
01:38 <spidey> =p
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01:39 <spidey> hm
01:42 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
01:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
01:43 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails fort
01:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (9/14): (*^<*>^*), -=}ID< Restrict, Anumeric, Cube, johnny, Napoleon, Ogre Battle, vtjake, ~|*ReCoGnIzE*|~
01:43 <Your_mom_arma> ping
01:43 <Your_mom_arma> well
01:44 <Your_mom_arma> van lets go to one of lukes experimental servers
01:45 <Your_mom_arma> nm, its not up
01:47 <Your_mom_arma> either way in 3.0 theres a prompt for team name in player setup so my team always ends up being called 'monster trux' if im team leader and ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_LEADER 1
01:48 -!- spidey is now known as AIDS
01:48 -!- AIDS is now known as spidey
01:49 <Vanhayes> ya, Im trying to get 2020 server to do it, but I dont think it will work
01:49 <Vanhayes> spidey has aids
01:49 <spidey> that was for another channel
01:50 <spidey> a joke, you wouldn't get =p
01:50 <Vanhayes> you still have aids
01:50 <Vanhayes> thats pretty funny
01:50 <spidey> got them from you
01:50 <spidey> =/
01:50 <Vanhayes> ewww
01:53 <Vanhayes> I think its the fortress examples thats stopping it fromworking
01:54 <Your_mom_arma> is it reverting everyround?
02:02 <Vanhayes> doesnt change at all
02:10 <spidey> DrJoeTr0n, 
02:10 <spidey> veterans day isn't till the 11th o.O
02:11 <spidey> saterday.
02:11  * spidey went and looked on the calender :D:D:D
02:20 <ghableska> back
02:21 <Vanhayes> welcome
02:22 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:22 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 51.8°F (6:54 PM CST on November 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa. 
02:29 <ghableska> hahaha
02:29 <ghableska> http://blog.wired.com/tableofmalcontents/2006/11/robot_identifie.html
02:29 <joda_bot> here
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02:29 <joda_bot> ?
02:29 -!- Arma07 is now known as Durka
02:29 <Durka> dhi
02:29 <joda_bot> :-)
02:30 <joda_bot> ok, what's the issue seems to work ?
02:30 <Durka> i just "PM"ed u
02:30 <Durka> i think
02:30 <joda_bot> PM in IRC ?
02:31 <Durka> o well
02:31 <Durka> just join a private channel
02:31 <Durka> type /join #jodaiscool
02:31 <joda_bot> can't you answer me ?
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02:36 <Durka> lol
02:36 <Durka> hi
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03:02 <ghableska> uh
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03:03 <Lucifer_arma> Jeff Bingaman, incoming chairman of the energy committee, will likely put climate change at the centre of his agenda, bolstered by support from John Dingell his House counterpart. <-- Can we show Germany what Kyoto was all about now?  :)
03:04 <spidey> you guys should get a uno bot
03:04 <spidey> =p
03:06 <Vanhayes> runo bot?
03:06 <Vanhayes> uno*
03:06 <spidey>  //join #fallin-angels
03:06 <spidey> =p
03:06 <joda_bot> I'm game if the US will enforce kyoto protocols or even demand more restrictions
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03:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'd just as soon not join the kyoto treaty, do our own thing, and do it better
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> but what can I say, I'm crazy
03:12 <Durka> hi luci
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> the joke, of course, is that after making a big deal of the US not joining, Germany went and did some really bad things themselves that should prevent them from meeting their kyoto obligations.  I haven't followed it since then, this would have been a year ago or so
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> so maybe you guys pulled it out and got back in line, I don't know.  :)
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> hi Durka (prick) 
03:12 <Durka> ???
03:12 <Durka> joke?
03:12 <spidey> lol
03:13 <Durka> hi spidey
03:13 <spidey> hi
03:13 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I don't know either
03:14 <joda_bot> ;)
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know is I voted for the guy who wanted Texas to get 15% of its power from texan-owned renewable power sources (wind and sun, mostly) by 2010
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> and he lost :(
03:15 <joda_bot> does not surprise me with texan gas lobby ;)
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03:17 <Lucifer_arma> it was close.  I swear, if it hadn't been a 4-cornered race he would've won.  Grrrr
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, let's hope the democrats really push something past bush
03:18 <joda_bot> how about pushing bush past the white house ? ;)
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> and put up their own guy in 08.  I'm not a democrat, mind you, I don't join clans, right?  But I think we need some more time with democrats running things
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, let's just push him right into the potomac :)
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03:19  * joda_bot requires advanced knowledge about potomacs
03:19 <joda_bot> what is a potomac ?
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> um, it's the river that goes through Washington DC :)
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> right in front of the white house, iirc
03:20 <joda_bot> oh ok
03:20 <joda_bot> as long as his head stay inside the river for more than 3 days I'm fine ;)
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> I think it'll take fire to take him out.  I just watched interview with a vampire, and it's definitely going to hvae to be fire
03:21 <joda_bot> nah, bush is not that evil, but a bit less commercial, military and lobby influences might help the us get some better politics
03:22 <joda_bot> but those would help every country, just well the finaces would go to hell
03:29 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
03:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.34in / 993hPa | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM AST; Tonight - Periods of drizzle ending this evening then cloudy with a few showers beginning overnight. Local amount 2 mm. Fog patches. Low 10.; Friday - A mix of sun and cloud. 40 percent chance of showers early in the morning. Wind (1 more message)
03:29 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 48.2°F (7:54 PM CST on November 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Windchill: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa. 
03:31 <Durka> #cyborg Vanhayes
03:31 <armabot> Durka: V.A.N.H.A.Y.E.S.: Versatile Artificial Neohuman Hardwired for Accurate Yelling and Efficient Sabotage
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03:34 <Durka> hi again
03:34 <joda_bot> spam kicked
03:34  * joda_bot should NEVER paste configs into IRC
03:35 <ghableska> heh
03:35 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (12 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || °¯ps arena (9 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || -=:[Welknown Server]:=- (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (4 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (4 players) || Strawberry Fields (4 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (4 (1 more message)
03:36 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo °¯ps arena
03:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: °¯ps arena: Players (6/16): CrAzZ3 W1XDr3W, CT|P4, SuBlImInAl.FreQ, {Cov}Rabbit, ~*<y<lo*~, ~*SP*~oO.h@mEr
03:37 <ghableska> #lastseen vangaynus
03:37 <armabot> ghableska: timed out
03:38 <joda_bot> #lastseen joda_bot
03:38 <armabot> joda_bot: ~*SP*~joda.bot has last been seen on °¯ps arena 3 minutes ago.
03:38 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
03:38 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 2 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago.
03:38 <joda_bot> #lastseen z-man
03:38 <Durka> #lastseen Durka
03:38 <armabot> joda_bot: Z-Man has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress: Match going on, participants only. 4 days 4 hours 21 minutes ago.
03:38 <armabot> Durka: Durka has last been seen on °¯ps arena 16 minutes ago.
03:38 <Durka> #lastseen Player 1
03:38 <armabot> Durka: Player 1 seems to be on Fortress right now.
03:38 <joda_bot> Fortress ?!?!
03:38 <Durka> #lastseen subby
03:39 <armabot> Durka: timed out
03:39 <Durka> lol
03:40 <joda_bot> #lastseen Lucifer
03:40 <armabot> joda_bot: ~|Lucifer|~ has last been seen on ~"XzL.Clan The Server 7 days 0 hours 58 minutes ago.
03:40 <Durka> wrong lucifer
03:40 <Durka> #lastseen Zop
03:40 <armabot> Durka: Zop has last been seen on °¯ps arena 16 minutes ago.
03:40 <joda_bot> #lastseen luzifer
03:40 <armabot> joda_bot: Luzifer has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 5 hours 30 minutes ago.
03:41 <Durka> #lastseen xevi
03:41 <Durka> ^^^ wont work ^^^
03:41 <armabot> Durka: timed out
03:41 <Durka> #lastseen ctxx3v1
03:41 <Vanhayes> man, now there is another lucifer?
03:41 <armabot> Durka: timed out
03:41 <Durka> #lastseen /me pokes van
03:41 <armabot> Durka: timed out
03:42 <Durka> awww
03:42 <Durka> #servers
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03:42 <ghableska> remember PIMP?
03:42 <Durka> #armaservers
03:42 <armabot> Durka: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (14 players) || °¯ps arena (7 players) || The Lobster Cage (5 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (5 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || .dBd|Server (3 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (3 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (3 players) || -=:[Welknown Server]:=- (2 players) || Norm's Place (1 more message)
03:43 <Durka> #more
03:43 <armabot> Durka: (2 players) || Gamma Deathmatch Server (2 players) || Wild West - Fortress (1 players) || ed's One Flag Capture the Flag - Testing (0 players) || ^_^A FREE SERVER FOR CLAN - BETA (0 players)
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04:09 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen pimp
04:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: BluePimp seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
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04:10 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: I considered changing my ingame name to Lucifer_arma to match this, but it didn't fit in the field
04:12  * Lucifer_arma chuckles
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> anybody up for a freeciv game?
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> has to be no timeout, so that when we're waiting for someone to finish a turn I can do homework :)
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04:30 <Durka> bye
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04:54 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, erm
04:54 <spidey> lemme see
04:54 <ghableska> #weather 50265
04:54 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 46.4°F (8:54 PM CST on November 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa. 
04:54 <spidey> i have homework to =/
04:55 <spidey> but ok...
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, do homework while we wait to see if anybody else wants to play :)
04:55 <spidey> hm
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'm supposed to be doing that, but instead am working on the tech chart :(
04:55 <spidey> i need to find $20
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> did you check your pocket?
04:55 <spidey> i'ma go harrass my great grandma :D:D
04:55 <spidey> i got $5
04:55 <spidey> but i need cigarettes to
04:56 <spidey> i need a pack of blank cd's
04:56 <spidey> so i can burn a ubuntu iso
04:56 <spidey> or raw debian, which ever i decide
04:59 <ghableska> #night
04:59 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
04:59 <spidey> no
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04:59 <spidey> >.>
05:00 <Your_mom_arma> luci feel like finishing up the europe game
05:04 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, hurry up =p
05:04 <spidey> i have to go test tomorrow =/
05:05 <Your_mom_arma> you cant wait 5 minutes for a game that will last more then 1 hour?
05:06 <spidey> the longer we wait = the longer we play
05:06 <Your_mom_arma> so if we wait longer we'll play longer?
05:07 <spidey> ok luke-jr
05:07 <Your_mom_arma> im sorry thats what the math says
05:07 <spidey> ...
05:07 <spidey> can anyone put 2 and 2 together
05:07 <spidey> or has common sense like
05:08 <spidey> totally died
05:08 <Your_mom_arma> "the longer we wait the less i'll be able to play" is what you ment i guess
05:08 <spidey> no
05:09 <Your_mom_arma> well what did you mean?
05:09 <luke-jr_> Legit likes to be a problem
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> luke, could have told you that
05:10 <luke-jr_> he seemed like a decent guy a few months ago
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> luke do you understand what spidey was trying to say?
05:10 <luke-jr_> ?
05:11 <spidey> >.>
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05:11 <Your_mom_arma> "the longer we wait = the longer we play"
05:11 <Your_mom_arma> hey GodTodd
05:11 <GodTodd> hey mom
05:11 <luke-jr_> I just got here
05:11 <luke-jr_> I'll be gone in 5 min or so
05:15 <luke-jr_> g'night
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05:44 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I feel 10 pounds lighter
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, spidey basically said as x increases, so does y
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> so if x is the time we wait, f(x) is the time we play
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> f(x) = x can model it linearly
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> f(x) = kx where k is some constant
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> or, put another way
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> the time we play is directly proportional to the time we wait
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> which winds up with the same formula:
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> P = kW where P is playtime and W is wait time
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> and k is some constant
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, sorry I wasn't here when you guys were ready, but I was taking a huge smelly dump
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6133190.stm
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: Your_mom_arma (prick) 
05:51 <GodTodd> hey Lucifer_arma : you wanna take a look at some broke ass c++ code that will probably give you the shivers but is giving me a fit?
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> no?
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> got a pastebin for it?
05:52 <GodTodd> http://www.toddmacy.com/Macy11.txt
05:53 <GodTodd> trying to dynamically allocate an array of structures with a pointer
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> ummmmmmmmmm
05:54 <Your_mom_arma> ping spidey
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> can you use new to allocate an array?  :)  I thought it was only for classes
05:54 <GodTodd> yeah you can
05:54 <GodTodd> based on the fact that he's taught us new and won't teach us classes
05:54 <GodTodd> heh
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> ok, googling up some syntax, something still feels wrong about that statement
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> what error are you getting where?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> is it compiling and segfaulting, or is it not compiling?
05:55 <GodTodd> mainly i'm getting.....error C2679: binary '<<' : no operator found which takes a right-hand operand of type 'Student' (or there is no acceptable conversion)
05:56 <GodTodd> at the cout << students << endl; part
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> right, inside the for loops
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> *loop
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that makes sense.
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> cout doesn't know anything about Student, and that's true, because it doesn't.
05:57 <GodTodd> k
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> Student is a struct with several data types in it that cout knows, but cout doesn't know Student, and it can't tear up a Struct
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05:57 <Lucifer_arma> if this were python, you could make a __str__ method to a class to deal with this specific situation
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> later on, in classes, you'll learn how to return a different type if it's asked for, something about overloading.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> Here, you need to reference the specific piece of Student that you want to put in the cout statement
05:57 <GodTodd> well...what i'm really trying to do...as fucked as it sounds...is output the value of the pointer to the array of structs
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> cout << students[count]->name << endl;  <--- this should gie you something
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> um, you can't, really.  At least, if there's a way to do it, it's really not worth the trouble
05:59 <GodTodd> well...i can probably do this really easy all inside the main() function....but i was going for sort of modular design
05:59 <GodTodd> heh
06:00 <GodTodd> ok...cout<<students[count]->name<<endl; gave compile errors
06:01 <GodTodd> ok...cout<<students[count].name<<endl; worked
06:01 <GodTodd> ok = but
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right.  I always have to use a little trial and error for that operator :)
06:01 <GodTodd> i think he wants us to use -> tho......but i may just tell him to piss on it
06:01 <GodTodd> heh
06:02 <Your_mom_arma> whats the program supposed to do?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> looks like the teacher's going to use it to compute Todd's grade, so he better get it right!
06:02 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> armabot echo 100
06:03 <armabot> 100
06:03 <GodTodd> Your_mom_arma: www.toddmacy.com/program11.txt
06:05 <GodTodd> the messed up thing is...i have to choose between the second semester of c++ or java
06:05 <GodTodd> can't take both for credit
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> what's in the course descriptions?  Take whichever will teach the more advanced concepts
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> that'll do you better than any syntax-oriented class
06:06 <GodTodd> i'm figuring on java
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> because you can pick up java in a few days on your own if you already have a good grasp of concepts
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> but if you don't have those concepts, no amount of syntax is ever going to help you :)
06:06 <GodTodd> true
06:06 <DrJoeTr0n> Your_mom_arma aww you leave right when i come in?
06:07 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
06:07 <DrJoeTr0n> mike said you were in the cage
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> void getStudentData(Student *pupils[], int numPupils)  <--- this feels wrong too
06:08 <Your_mom_arma> yea
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> void getStudentData(Student &pupils, int numPupils)  <-- this feels right
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> er
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, they're the samet hing
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> getStudentData(&students, numStudents);  <--- make sure this lines up
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> usually when you want the function to take a reference, you put it in the function signature and then for a pointer you pass the pointer name only
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> getStudentData(students, numStudents) would be right
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> in that case
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> the telltale sign of what you should do is whether or not you had to use "->" or "." to reference a piece of the struct
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> now, would you like me to tell you why it's not modular before or after I smoke a cigarette?  :)
06:11 <GodTodd> after is fine :P
06:18 <spidey> o.O
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you ready for it?  :)
06:21 <GodTodd> sure
06:21 <GodTodd> school me ;)
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here goes
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> modular programming is all about breaking a complex puzzle down into little pieces
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> so you take something really complex and break it down into primitives, essentially
06:22 <GodTodd> right
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> then you take those primitives and start putting them together with incrementally more complexity
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> until you've reached the level of complexity that solves the puzzle.  Then you're done and can go home.
06:22 <Your_mom_arma> well tell me when you guys are ready
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> so specifically, you have a function where you pass it a number of students and a reference to something to put it in
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> has your teacher taught you the return statement yet?
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> er, he has, hasn't he?  I think I saw a listing you had that used them...
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> so, for a function, you really want to fallback on the algebraic definition of a function and use it as Occam's Razor to sanity check your functions
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> in the algebraic definition, a function returns 1 and only 1 value for a given input
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so when you break your complex problem into primitives, each primitive should return 1 and only 1 value for a given input
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the upshot is that you should take the for loop out of getStudentData and make getStudentData get and return (through a return statement) one and only one student
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> put the loop in your main() function instead.
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> In this program, it doesn't matter.  In another program, it might.  You might need to getStudentData from a file, from a terminal, from all sorts of places
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> and you may not know before you call getStudentData how many students you need to get.  In the design you have here, you have to know that,
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> but out in the real world, you have no guarantees.
06:26 <GodTodd> yeah...we're supposed to dynamically allocate the thing
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, he's not trying to teach modular with this program.  :)  He's teaching pointers and stuff.
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> the way you'd do it if you did it my way is a bit more complicated and well beyond the reach of this program, but maybe he'd give you extra credit if you could pull it off
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> you'd create the one pointer that's an array
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> then you'd poll for students and use a blank line or some other string to indicate you're done,
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> and for each iteration of the loop, you'd resize the array you allocated in the beginning to fit the new record
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> resizing a dynamically allocated structure is a bit tricky, however, and probably well beyond the scope of the lesson you're supposed to learn here
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't suggest changing what you're doing, I'd suggest getting it done and getting an A and moving on.  But it's something to keep in mind, what does the problem look like in the real world and how would you approach it with what you know now?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> What would you need to learn that you don't know, if you don't know enough now to approach it?
06:30 <GodTodd> that's kind of how i was approaching it
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> in the end, the answers to those questions are a litmus test to distinguish between a programmer and a codemonkey
06:30 <GodTodd> i was trying to figure how i'd do it if a client wanted it in an app
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, based on what I"m seeing right now, you probably don't have enough to solve it in the real world, at least where the class is supposed to be.
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> Maybe you personally do, I don't know, but the class is evidently not far enough to do it.  :)
06:31 <GodTodd> right
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: Your_mom_arma (prick) 
06:32 <spidey> why you keep calling mom a prick?
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> becuase, spidey (prick) , my irc client does that automatically
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> I could be talking to Your_mom_arma (prick) , spidey (prick) , GodTodd (prick) , or even Lucifer_arma (prick) , and I'd call all of them pricks
06:33 <spidey> why you keep calling us pricks
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to change it, as entertaining as it has been.  :)
06:33 <spidey> what'd we ever do to you!
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I was just fooling with tab-completion, that's all.  :)
06:35 <spidey> sure you where!
06:35 <spidey> you ment it, from the bottom of your blackish soul!
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:37 <spidey> ping
06:38 <Vanhayes> spidey (ass)
06:38 <spidey> Vanhayes(poppy wearing fag)
06:38 <spidey> =p
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's face it, most of the people around here are in fact pricks
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> so, anybody want to run the Japan map with a sub for luke-jr_, since he wants to wuss out on it?
06:38 <Vanhayes> sign of respect for our vets, you commie
06:39 <Vanhayes> Yes
06:39 <Vanhayes> oh yes
06:39 <GodTodd> ok...i'm gonna do it the cop out way for class...but after that i'm going to mess with it :/
06:39 <GodTodd> thanks for the help tho :)
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> want to take over for luke in Japan first?  :)
06:39 <GodTodd> i suppose i could
06:39 <GodTodd> heh
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> how many players do we need for that, and who wants to play right now?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> we had 5 humans originally, right?
06:40 <Vanhayes> Id be up for it, no school till tuesday
06:40 <Vanhayes> 4 or 5 ya
06:40  * GodTodd knew to wait for Lucifer_arma for help with c++ because one more 'RTFM' from luke and i swear i would bomb fuckin' missouri
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> i'll play 
06:41 <Vanhayes> Oh no, not missuri :)
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> haha GodTodd
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> we need a us map so we can actually bomb missouri
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> you know the capital would be TOkyo
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> lemme start up the japan map so we can go see what's on it :)
06:42 <Vanhayes> spidey (ass)
06:42 <GodTodd> maybe we can pool our money and give luke a one way ticket to japan...
06:42 <spidey> $598 for a opteron dual core
06:42 <spidey> O.O
06:43 <GodTodd> save it for the ticket, man ;)
06:43 <Vanhayes> ha
06:43 <spidey> fuck that
06:43 <spidey> send him to canada, it's cheaper
06:43 <GodTodd> haha
06:43 <Vanhayes> I dont want him
06:43 <GodTodd> let hayes deal with him?
06:43 <GodTodd> ;)
06:43 <spidey> ya
06:43 <Vanhayes> and he would be able to get back easily
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> send him to quebec
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> er, it's not starting up, heh heh
06:43 <GodTodd> not after we build the wall
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> hang on, it's a path thing
06:44 <GodTodd> keep them damn canadians out
06:44 <spidey> i like how they call a 20gb internal seagate hdd (IDE to ) for $179 a bargain
06:44 <spidey> like
06:44 <spidey> wtf
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> true we need to find a way to keep out all the canadian immagrents
06:44 <Vanhayes> man, if they build a wall I'd .... well I dont know what id do but it be something
06:45 <GodTodd> heh
06:45 <GodTodd> 20GB for 179?
06:45 <GodTodd> that's highway robbery
06:45 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, no, because then where will all of our criminals go if there's no border between us and canada
06:45 <spidey> oh
06:45 <spidey> it's a tape drive
06:45 <spidey> nvm
06:45 <GodTodd> heh
06:45 <GodTodd> small detail :P
06:45 <spidey> internal ide tape drive
06:45 <Vanhayes> Id probly think of 1000s of ways the money that went into it could have been used
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> er, this could be broken
06:46  * GodTodd didn't touch the code :P
06:46 <GodTodd> heh
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> try to connect and see what it looks like, I may need to uninstall the warserver and reinstall the original game
06:46 <spidey> good job lucifer
06:46 <Vanhayes> #last --with dave
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> the savegame is fine, it's just that I installed the warserver
06:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 11446 messages.
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
06:46 <Vanhayes> thx
06:46 <GodTodd> :5555?
06:47 <Vanhayes> couldnt connect
06:47 <spidey> same
06:47 <spidey> luci you broke it!
06:47 <spidey> i'm tellin
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't?
06:47 <spidey> nope
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, lemme check my firewall.  I changed linuxes recently...
06:48 <spidey> it said you didn't respond properly
06:48 <Vanhayes> it said your machine actively refused it for me
06:49 <Vanhayes> #google fight Freeciv Armagetron
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> try again
06:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
06:49 <Vanhayes> works
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like we only need 1 player to play, if we can get spidey to not play an ai
06:52 <spidey> ....
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?  You gonna come take luke for us?  :)
06:54 <GodTodd> hmmmmm
06:54  * GodTodd thinks.
06:55  * GodTodd thinks more.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> you don't have to stay long :)
06:55  * GodTodd thinks even more.
06:55 <GodTodd> heh
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. if you only want to play for an hour, play for an hour, and then we'll ai you or something
06:55 <GodTodd> yeah i'm coming for a bit
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
07:02 <spidey> ya?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, you took the spanish?
07:04 <spidey> i took the mort dude
07:04 <spidey> whoever he is
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> he's the spanish
07:04 <spidey> it's either spanish or portuguese
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> can you not see the chat in the server?
07:04 <spidey> what about it?
07:05 <spidey> i'm looking at stuff and playing
07:05 <spidey> plus doing homework
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> you need to take the portuguese instead and we'll put the spanish back on ai
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> the spanish are the big bad enemy we're playing this map to fight :)
07:05 <spidey> 2 cities?
07:05 <spidey> bah
07:06 <Your_mom_arma> you can take nic and i'll take the other guy
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07:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: err, did you reset fc1tpd?
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07:17 <GodTodd> wrtlprnft: the timer? yeah he said a switch got unplugged
07:22 <Vanhayes> probly cheating again
07:26 <GodTodd> blergle
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07:30  * wrtlprnft dislikes doing the same turn multiple times
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07:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok try joining again
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> hello?
07:46 <spidey> ?
07:46 <GodTodd> couldn't
07:47 <GodTodd> actively refused
07:47 <Vanhayes> same
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> er, hang on a sec :)
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's because I restarted the game with the warserver and it ran originally on the regular server
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> let me just reinstall the regular server real quick and restart from the stopping point
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07:48 <Your_mom_arma> barf
07:48 <Vanhayes> #barf
07:48 <Vanhayes> aw, I liked that one
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> i cant rejoin the civ game
07:48 <GodTodd> not yet
07:48 <Vanhayes> its on hold, till luci fixes it
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> what happened?
07:49 <Vanhayes> the tschs thing
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's because I restarted the game with the warserver and it ran originally on the regular server
07:49 <Vanhayes> techs*
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> let me just reinstall the regular server real quick and restart from the stopping point
07:49 <Vanhayes> #google slowcoaster
07:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.21 seconds: House of Rock - Slowcoaster: <http://www.houseofrock.ca/slowcoaster.php>; House of Rock - News: <http://www.houseofrock.ca/>; New Music Canada Artist: SLOWCOASTER: <http://www.newmusiccanada.com/genres/artist.cfm?Band_Id=11024>; Slowcoaster Home: <http://www.maplemusic.com/artists/slw/default.asp>; www.myspace.com/ slowcoaster: (2 more messages)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, rejoin and let's see if we can trade techs
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> the game might be over if we can't :(
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: Your_mom_arma (hi there!) spidey (hi there!) GodTodd (hi there!) 
07:57 <Vanhayes> so are we going to finish it?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't know
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not inclined to play it without tech trading, but I've no idea why it's broke
07:58 <Vanhayes> well it looks like Your_mom_arma and GodTodd are gone too
07:58 <GodTodd> i'm here
07:59 <Vanhayes> my mistake
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> want to start a new game or restore a different one?  I think the only current game I have besides the japan game is the one me spidey and mom are playing in europe
07:59 <spidey> hm
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'm disappointed about the japan game :(
08:00 <spidey> luke runs his server on hachi right? if he wouldn't get mad i might be able to grab a save of his 
08:00 <spidey> o.O
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'd rather start a new game than play one of luke's saves right now :/
08:00 <spidey> haha
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> I tell ya, the game is easier when you start with 0 techs
08:01 <GodTodd> yep
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> because you hae nothing to build for a long time, so you build your defenses, and then you're safer
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> barbs don't fuck you over, the ai can't walk all over you, etc.
08:01 <GodTodd> lukes games always start out with far too many
08:01 <spidey> actually
08:01 <spidey> barbs never really bother me
08:01 <spidey> that last game, you said heavy barbs, so i set appearence to 4
08:01 <spidey> they still didnt bother me
08:01 <spidey> o.O
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> the took out two of my cities
08:02 <spidey> lol
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> I thought the barbs in that game were a lot of fun, though.  I'd rather set the onset year a bit later, but they were definitely fun
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> so, start a new game?
08:02 <Vanhayes> they took most of swedans cities
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: you interested?
08:02 <Vanhayes> ya, but ill probly leave at some point
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> that's fine.  :)  lemme start up the server
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> or
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> do you guys want to play a map, or generate one?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> that kind of matters
08:03 <spidey> world map?
08:03 <spidey> :D
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> can't start the server without knowing it :)
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> only if nobody takes australia :)
08:03 <Your_mom_arma> im not gone
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> 'cause if we play the world map, we're maxing out ais
08:04 <Vanhayes> world sounds good
08:04 <spidey> maxing out AI's?
08:04 <spidey> are you crazy?
08:04 <spidey> 7 at most
08:04 <Vanhayes> not 30
08:04 <Vanhayes> max for the maps
08:04 <Vanhayes> map*
08:04 <Vanhayes> isnt it like 10 or so?
08:04 <spidey> that's still alot
08:04 <spidey> more
08:04 <spidey> you got
08:04 <spidey> aussie
08:04 <spidey> NA
08:05 <spidey> those native-american tribes
08:05 <Vanhayes> there is about 3 on the americas
08:05 <Vanhayes> US american and aztec
08:05 <Vanhayes> er
08:05 <spidey> canada
08:05 <spidey> south america
08:05 <Vanhayes> Us Canadian and aztec
08:05 <spidey> aztec
08:06 <spidey> there's a south america to
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> just curious, see if you can connect real quick
08:06 <Vanhayes> thats aztec
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> there's inca on the one i modified
08:06 <Vanhayes> oh ya
08:07 <Vanhayes> so world map?
08:07 <Vanhayes> #more
08:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=63366112>; Internet Archive: Details: Slowcoaster Live at Main Stage ...: <http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=27315&from=browsePopular>; slowcoaster tabs @ Guitar Tab Universe: <http://www.guitartabs.cc/tabsearch.php?artist=slowcoaster&exact=on>; Slowcoaster Where Are They Going CD: (1 more message)
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> some shits weird
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, connect now, and no more of this, let's get the game started :)
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you want to play?
08:10 <GodTodd> i can for a tiny bit
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09:09 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: ?
09:09 <spidey> hayes?
09:09 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: ?
09:18 <spidey> ....
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, his connection dropped
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09:18 <Lucifer_arma> I tried to ping him and didn't get an answer
09:18 <spidey> heh
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10:31 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
10:31 <armabot> pong
10:31 <Your_mom_arma> well i didnt lose connection
10:31 <Your_mom_arma> did civ freeze?
10:32 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
10:32 <armabot> pong
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11:01 <madmax|pt> greets
11:14 <Your_mom_arma> hi
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11:41 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
11:41 <armabot> pong
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> ponge
11:42 <Your_mom_arma> set me up as a bot , it crashed and im going to sleep
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15:58 <Ady> Are the forums offline?
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16:19 <BreezyBadger> hey
16:19 <BreezyBadger> everyone do a custom connect to leera.dynalias.com default port
16:19 <BreezyBadger> really high speeds
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17:02 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft, it's up as of last night
17:02 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma, we started w/ 0 techs last time...
17:02 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma, it's crappy cuz barbs get techs before you do
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18:23 <Arma18> hmm
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18:34 <luke-jr_work> hmm
18:35 <wrtlprnft> hmm indeed
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19:56 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft, PM
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20:28 <spidey> i can't believe it
20:28 <spidey> i made a 100 on a english  test!!
20:28 <spidey> :D:D:D
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20:29  * wrtlprnft_ just got his math test back, 14 points (out of 15)
20:29 <spidey> :p
20:30 <spidey> i have to do pre-algebra =/
20:30 <wrtlprnft_> wrtlprnft: who are you, stupid?
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20:30 <wrtlprnft_> ah
20:30 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
20:30 <spidey> like...easy but i don't see why they give these huge books, when you learned the things in 7th grade
20:32 <wrtlprnft> i bet luke-jr_work would like the german grading system for Kollegstufe
20:33 <wrtlprnft> goes from 0–15 or 0x0–0xF :D
20:33 <spidey> hmmmm
20:33 <spidey> i know i choose utf8
20:33 <spidey> but i still see ascii
20:33 <spidey> =/
20:33 <wrtlprnft> öäü …←↓→↑
20:33 <spidey> :/
20:34 <wrtlprnft> http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/#widget1
20:34 <wrtlprnft> ok, this spec sucks!
20:34 <wrtlprnft> a) it's “directory”, “folder” is a windows term
20:34 <wrtlprnft> b) DON'T use proprietary software for screenshots in specs!
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20:42 <spidey> c) widget sucks
20:43 <wrtlprnft> 1
20:44 <wrtlprnft> useless for me, at least
20:44 <wrtlprnft> half the widgets i tried didn't work properly on my system
20:44 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i'm confused
20:45 <spidey> i don't understand why my server doesn't show on the master list
20:45 <wrtlprnft> me neither :s
20:45 <wrtlprnft> still not confirmed
20:45 <spidey> but it shows on lan
20:45 <spidey> =/
20:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: lan doesn't use a master server, it just sends a broadcast
20:46 <spidey> hm
20:47 <Vanhayes> what server?
20:47 <spidey> mine...
20:47 <Vanhayes> thx, that helped
20:47 <spidey> one i wanna host local for a few days
20:47 <spidey> it's not on the master list
20:47 <spidey> so it doesn't matter =p
20:48 <spidey> i got a idea
20:48 <spidey> i'ma try to host from this box
20:48 <spidey> brb
20:48 <Vanhayes> spidey: how did that freeciv game go last night?
20:48 <spidey> well
20:48 <spidey> i pwned you and todd
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20:49 <spidey> i now have over 80 cannons
20:49 <spidey> and 77 riflemen
20:49 <spidey> 299+ gold profit each turn
20:49 <spidey> currently smashing the aussies
20:49 <spidey> =p
20:50 <Vanhayes> ya, my connection cut out for a while, I waited about 10 minutes to see if it would connect then I went to bed
20:50 <spidey> heh
20:51 <Vanhayes> anyways, next game we should make shure we can trade techs
20:52 <spidey> wrtlprnft, 
20:52 <spidey> did it work that time?
20:52 <spidey> oh wait
20:52 <spidey> forgot to port forward
20:53 <spidey> wrtlprnft, how bout now?
20:54 <wrtlprnft> U.S.Fortress~default~ (0/16,
20:54 <wrtlprnft> yep, is
20:54 <spidey> um
20:54 <spidey> you shouldn't see that
20:54 <spidey> at all
20:54 <spidey> ~spidey~test~server
20:54 <spidey> i closed that one down awhile ago
20:54 <spidey> wrtlprnft, wait, do i have to respond to pings?
20:54 <spidey> cause i got icmp disabled >.>
20:55 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't matter
20:55 <wrtlprnft> bf never did
20:55 <spidey> hm
20:55 <spidey> i don't see how that one worked
20:55 <spidey> because i didn't restart  it after you said it didn't work
20:55 <spidey> i just shut it down, then changed the port forward destination
20:55 <spidey> o.O
20:56 <wrtlprnft> ~spidey~test~server (0/16,
20:56 <spidey> i don't see it =(
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20:57 <luke-jr_work> blame your router
20:57 <spidey> never had a problem before
20:57 <luke-jr_work> spidey, btw, ICMP being disabled should cause lots of problems
20:58 <wrtlprnft> there'
20:58 <wrtlprnft> s no reason to do it, anyways
20:58 <spidey> well
20:58 <luke-jr_work> for example, if ICMP is disabled, ISPs may freely give your IP to someone else
20:58 <wrtlprnft> does spidey fear evil hackers?
20:59 <luke-jr_work> since if you don't answer a ping, that IP is unused
20:59 <spidey> no
20:59 <spidey> lol
20:59 <spidey> luke-jr_work, no
20:59 <luke-jr_work> yes
21:00 <luke-jr_work> an IP must always answer a ping if it is in use
21:00 <luke-jr_work> if there is no ping reply, then it can be assumed available and given to anyone
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22:03 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: civ server down again?
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22:04 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd, shouldn't be
22:04 <GodTodd> it's not responding
22:04 <luke-jr_work> grr
22:04 <luke-jr_work> erm
22:05 <luke-jr_work> it is for me
22:05 <GodTodd> nm...now it is
22:05 <luke-jr_work> I see you there too
22:05 <GodTodd> it didn't the first 3 times
22:05 <luke-jr_work> hm
22:05 <luke-jr_work> buggy OpenWrt maybe
22:06 <luke-jr_work> FYI, I'm in the middle of moving
22:06 <luke-jr_work> so there will definately be *some* downtime
22:06 <luke-jr_work> I'll save first tho ;p
22:11 <GodTodd> doing like i normally do and leaving most of the computer stuff till last? ;)
22:12 <luke-jr_work> well, time warner expects me to wait 3 days before they can send someone out to unlock the box and plug in the wire
22:12 <luke-jr_work> ...
22:12 <luke-jr_work> so unless you know how to pick a lock or smth
22:12 <luke-jr_work> also, we haven't decided for sure if we're moving yet
22:12 <luke-jr_work> just moving minimal to live there for a few days and see if it's ok
22:13 <GodTodd> i'm thinking of ditching time warner myself
22:14 <luke-jr_work> for what?
22:14 <GodTodd> verizon fios
22:14 <luke-jr_work> o
22:14 <luke-jr_work> you know that's a one-way street?
22:14 <luke-jr_work> hmm
22:14 <luke-jr_work> maybe I should call and threaten to switch to DSL
22:14 <luke-jr_work> lol
22:14 <GodTodd> dsl sucks
22:15 <luke-jr_work> and it's unavailable
22:15 <luke-jr_work> but it's a threat
22:15 <GodTodd> heh...i didn't even sign up with time warner
22:15 <luke-jr_work> ?
22:15 <GodTodd> they got me in a deal with comcast
22:16 <luke-jr_work> o
22:16 <GodTodd> my inlaws have vzn fios and have had much better uptime than their old cable connection
22:17 <luke-jr_work> you know that's a one-way street tho?
22:18 <luke-jr_work> you can't convert back to regular cable
22:18 <luke-jr_work> or so I hear anyway
22:18 <GodTodd> why can't you?
22:19 <GodTodd> they take all the coax out of your walls?
22:19 <luke-jr_work> dunno
22:20 <GodTodd> well...you talk like you know all the intricacies of the changeover so i was just wondering what the process was then ;)
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22:48 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i figured out what it is
22:48 <spidey> i think the network part of that install is fucked up
22:48 <spidey> soldat doesn't work right either
22:48 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:49 <spidey> it's a barebone install
22:49 <spidey> only uses like 700mb
22:49 <spidey> only a 4gig drive...if i used the normal install i'd only have like 2 gigs of free space
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22:53 <ghableska> hello
22:53 <ghableska> #weather 50265
22:53 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 33.8°F (2:54 PM CST on November 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa. 
22:54  * spidey drop kicks ghableska into oblivion
22:54 <spidey> #Weather 38256
22:54 <ghableska> hi spidey :P
22:54 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 75.6°F (3:29 PM CST on November 10, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Falling). 
22:54 <ghableska> we got snow today :)
22:54 <spidey> nice day
22:54 <spidey> =)
22:55 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
22:55 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 64.6°F (3:55 PM CST on November 10, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa. 
22:55 <GodTodd> snow sucks
22:56 <ghableska> heh
23:04 <GodTodd> then again my last experience with it was 36 inches in 3 weeks
23:04 <GodTodd> heh
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23:04 <ghableska> in Nebraska?
23:06 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:06 <GodTodd> yeah
23:06 <ghableska> heh
23:06 <madmax|pt> #weather lppt
23:06 <armabot> madmax|pt: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 66.2°F (8:00 PM WET on November 10, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa. 
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23:22 <Vanhayes> #weather saint John
23:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM AST; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind northwest 20 km/h gusting to 40 becoming light overnight. Low plus 1.; Saturday - Sunny. Becoming cloudy in the afternoon. High 8. Saturday night..cloudy. 40 percent chance of showers overnight. Low 6.; Sunday - Cloudy (1 more message)
23:24 <luke-jr_work> #weather
23:24 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
23:24 <luke-jr_work> #weather kansas city
23:24 <armabot> luke-jr_work: The current temperature in Kansas City, KS is 43.0°F. Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Wind: N at 19 mph (31 km/h).
23:24 <luke-jr_work> wtf would it choose ks
23:24 <luke-jr_work> #weather 64150
23:24 <armabot> luke-jr_work: The current temperature in Kansas City, Missouri is 42.8°F (3:54 PM CST on November 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa. 
23:25 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
23:25 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 33.0°F. Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Wind: N at 17 mph (27 km/h).
23:25 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:25 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 33.8°F (4:08 PM CST on November 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 28.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa. 
23:25 <luke-jr_work> Kansas City is mostly in Missouri
23:35 <GodTodd> it's alphabetical iirc
23:35 <GodTodd> k is before m
23:36 <luke-jr_work> o
23:37 <Vanhayes> o is after m
23:39 <GodTodd> p is after drink
23:40 <Vanhayes> ha
23:41 <GodTodd> ;)
23:41 <luke-jr_work> q
23:44 <Vanhayes> #q
23:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:45 <GodTodd> #q
23:45 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take to change a light bulb?" (added by hang3r at 07:41 AM, March 31, 2006)
23:45 <GodTodd> #q
23:45 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #27: "thats like asking if vegetarians can eat animal crackers -- DrJoeTron" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:12 AM, October 26, 2006)
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23:48 <Vanhayes> #q
23:48 <Vanhayes> #ping
23:49 <GodTodd> i broke armabot?
23:49 <GodTodd> heh
23:49 <Vanhayes> what did she ever do to you?
23:49 <Vanhayes> #pong
23:49 <Vanhayes> #ping
23:49 <Vanhayes> #pong
23:49 <GodTodd> the sex wasn't that good
23:49 <Vanhayes> ha
23:50 <Vanhayes> you should have got a refund then
23:50 <GodTodd> #q
23:50 <GodTodd> #q
23:50 <GodTodd> #q
23:50 <GodTodd> #q
23:50 <GodTodd> heh
23:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug coldplig - armabot mashuffle'" (added by n54 at 05:44 PM, March 29, 2006)
23:50 <armabot> pong
23:50 <armabot> ping
23:50 <armabot> pong
23:50 <armabot> ping
23:50 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #32: "i2020> sure you can... who told you that, little lukie wookie" (added by spidey at 07:34 PM, November 05, 2006)
23:50 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
23:50 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #28: "i can't speel either --Fonkay" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:38 AM, October 28, 2006)
23:50 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #24: "i'll be in grade 12 by fevurary -- spidey" (added by Lucifer_arma at 01:18 AM, October 21, 2006)
23:51 <GodTodd> ahhh she were laggin'
23:51 <Vanhayes> argh, the lagg
23:52 <GodTodd> #q
23:52 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #22: "i got a pen from a microsoft rep about 2 months ago.. already stopped working properly -- Plazma" (added by Lucifer_arma at 03:46 AM, September 19, 2006)
23:52 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
23:52 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 63.7°F (4:52 PM CST on November 10, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa. 
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23:52 <GodTodd> gonna be cold tonight methinks
23:55 <luke-jr_work> wtf @ quote 19
23:56 <luke-jr_work> #later tell Lucifer_arma [q 19]
23:56 <armabot> luke-jr_work: The operation succeeded.
23:56 <luke-jr_work> lol
23:56 <luke-jr_work> #later tell luke-jr_  [q 19]
23:56 <armabot> luke-jr_work: The operation succeeded.
23:56 <luke-jr_work> #later tell luke-jr_work   [q 19]
23:56 <armabot> luke-jr_work: The operation succeeded.
23:56 <luke-jr_work> hm
23:57 <luke-jr_work> doesn't work
23:57 <luke-jr_work> #help q
23:57 <armabot> luke-jr_work: (q <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "quote random".
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23:57 <luke-jr_work> #quote 19
23:57 <Vanhayes> #quote get 19
23:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
23:57 <Vanhayes> #quote get 33
23:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #33: "that wasn't a war, that was you losing units trying to attack one city...then mom joined in with howtizers-spidey" (added by spidey at 04:07 AM, November 07, 2006)
23:57 <luke-jr_work> =p
23:57 <Vanhayes> #quote get 3how is that  quote worthy?
23:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: '3how' is not a valid id.
23:57 <madmax|pt> #q
23:57 <Vanhayes> er
23:57 <armabot> madmax|pt: Quote #23: "<spidey> you wanna fuck Luke-Jr ?" (added by Vanhayes at 01:40 AM, October 15, 2006)
23:57 <Vanhayes> #quote get 34
23:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no Quote with id #34 in my database for #armagetron.
23:58 <GodTodd> #quote get 21
23:58 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
23:58 <Vanhayes> ha
23:58 <luke-jr_work> #quote get 393
23:58 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Error: There is no Quote with id #393 in my database for #armagetron.
23:58 <luke-jr_work> lame
23:58 <madmax|pt> #time
23:58 <armabot> madmax|pt: 11:57 PM, November 10, 2006
23:58 <Vanhayes> your lame. armabot rocks
23:58 <luke-jr_work> #quote add
23:58 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:59 <luke-jr_work> #later tell madmax|pt [time]
23:59 <armabot> luke-jr_work: The operation succeeded.
23:59 <madmax|pt> bang
23:59 <luke-jr_work> someone plz do that to me ;p
23:59 <luke-jr_work> #later tell luke-jr_ [time]
23:59 <armabot> luke-jr_work: The operation succeeded.
23:59 <luke-jr_work> except w/ my work name

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