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Log from 2006-10-12:
--- Day changed Thu Oct 12 2006
00:01 <madmax|pt> argh, Z-Man brought his server down
00:02 <madmax|pt> I guess I'm the one to blame
00:02  * MaZuffeR blames madmax|pt
00:03 <madmax|pt> I should not have mentioned that the server was having some activity...
00:03 <madmax|pt> :/
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00:06 <DrJoeTron> holy crap
00:06 <DrJoeTron> primus is playing on my birthday
00:06 <DrJoeTron> i know what im gonna see :D
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00:22 <Lucifer_arma> you're gonna go see ummmmmmmmm
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> <insert the title of the beaver song here>
00:22  * Lucifer_arma doesn't remember the title of that song, heh
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00:32 <GodTodd> winona's big brown beaver?
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00:34 <U812> hello all!
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00:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's the song, thanks GodTodd 
00:37 <GodTodd> np
00:39 <DrJoeTron> heh
00:39 <DrJoeTron> i dont think they will
00:39 <DrJoeTron> last time i saw them they played everything from sailing the seas of cheese and frizzle fry
00:39 <DrJoeTron> and a little bit from the newest album
00:40 <DrJoeTron> and a little from tales from the punchbowl
00:40 <GodTodd> no pork soda?
00:40 <DrJoeTron> suprisingly no
00:40 <GodTodd> what a ripoff
00:40 <DrJoeTron> this is when tim alexander just came back
00:40 <DrJoeTron> wait no
00:40 <DrJoeTron> they playted my name is mud
00:40 <DrJoeTron> dmv too
00:40 <DrJoeTron> it was a 3 hour concert
00:41 <DrJoeTron> and no opener
00:41 <DrJoeTron> so it was great
00:42 <GodTodd> i haven't been to a concert since alice cooper/scorpions heh
00:42 <GodTodd> :/
00:42 <DrJoeTron> all they played off of animals should not try to act like people was my friend fats
00:42 <DrJoeTron> and ms blaileen
00:42 <DrJoeTron> best concert ive seen
00:42 <DrJoeTron> last one i saw was Rush
00:43 <DrJoeTron> 30th anniversary tour
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> Anthrax was my last concert
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait, that's not true
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> it was some country guy from oz that my daughter won tickets for
00:44 <GodTodd> big act?
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I don't remember his name though.  Big enough to fill one of the larger venues, but not an arena tour
00:45 <GodTodd> keith urban?
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the chick that played before him really rocked
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the guy :)
00:45 <GodTodd> kill me now for knowing that
00:45 <GodTodd> heh
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha
00:46  * Lucifer_arma even went to the concert and didn't know his name ;)
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00:46 <Lucifer_arma> she won tickets at the mall, someone had to take her, right?
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00:46 <GodTodd> sure...but you didn't have to wear a shirt with his face on it ;)
00:46 <GodTodd> haha
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> we had fun though, danced and drank sodas and stuff
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00:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, nah, neither did she.  :)  We didn't spend any money but gas and soda, so no merchandise.  All my daughter has is a fond memory
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> (and she tells me about it every now and then)
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> I don't consider going to a borderline burger joint that has a cover band playing to be "going to a concert", so I've caught some live music since then
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00:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I said I'd reward myself for getting this program released today by working on arma, but now I'm really sleepy and have to get dinner going :/
00:49 <DrJoeTron> but...
00:49 <DrJoeTron> but 
00:49 <DrJoeTron> dinosaurs with hats
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> is that a fat joke?
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:49  * Lucifer_arma thinks he's so funny
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
00:49 <DrJoeTron> i love it
00:49 <DrJoeTron> bb around 9
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00:55 <Seyahnav> lame
00:55 <Seyahnav> #ping
00:55 <armabot> pong
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00:56 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (10 players) || MicroBusCity.com (8 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (8 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (5 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (5 players) || Strawberry Fields (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (4 (1 more message)
00:56 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails sty
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Capture The Flag Sty: Players (8/8): #2 ukrainian, brakes, KSWISER, Marvin, MEL, Skunk, WINDOWS SUCKS, ~{WING}~RED
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> I knew it would happen, I lost interest in the google church
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> just another group of self-righteous freaks
01:02 <Vanhayes> well it is still a church
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--- Log opened Thu Oct 12 07:33:56 2006
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07:38 <wrtlprnft> !
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07:38 <wrtlprnft> i hate when that happens
07:38 <mkzelda> heh
07:39 <wrtlprnft> can't they just notice that they're both from the same host/ip and just have one kill itself?
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07:46 <Luzifer> #morning
07:46 <armabot> Good Morning Luzifer Random Fortune: "One's never alone with a rubber duck. "
07:46 <Luzifer> #serverdetails wild
07:47 <armabot> Luzifer: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (10/14): *dIsToRtEd*, +lil+, esRever, flea|DpG|, mama, Potter, quartzlcc, ^ inky, ^ Skip, «ª÷¡hri$«?ª?«¤
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08:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
08:59 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: "What was the self-sacrifice? " || "I jettisoned half of a much loved and I think || irreplaceable pair of shoes. " || "Why was that self-sacrifice? " || "Because they were mine! " said Ford crossly. || "I think we have different value systems. " || "Well mine's better. " || "That's according to your... oh never mind. "
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09:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow
09:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> google is making their own linux distri :D
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/31/google_goes_desktop_linux/
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10:18 <anjori> look at the date on the article. rumous about a public google distro went around forever. google has always denied any plans to do so.
10:19 <anjori> **rumors
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> alright, fine, I didn't go to bed, I'm looking for another game, heh
10:45 <anjori> what kind of game?
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10:52 <Luzifer> #lastseen Annhilator
10:52 <armabot> Luzifer: Annhilator has last been seen on Strawberry Fields 0 days 12 hours 27 minutes ago.
10:52 <Luzifer> #lastseen Luzifer
10:52 <armabot> Luzifer: Luzifer has last been seen on -=|LøÏ|=-  Lords Of Destruction Sumo Server 1 days 12 hours 36 minutes ago.
10:52 <Luzifer> #lastseen Jannik
10:53 <armabot> Luzifer: timed out
10:53 <Luzifer> #lastseen shorty
10:53 <armabot> Luzifer: timed out
10:53 <Luzifer> #lastseen icecold
10:53 <armabot> Luzifer: Icecold has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 0 days 21 hours 8 minutes ago.
10:54 <Luzifer> #serverdetails wild
10:54 <armabot> Luzifer: Crazy Tronners Wild Catfight: No online players.
10:54 <Luzifer> #serverdetails wild fortress
10:54 <armabot> Luzifer: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: No online players.
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10:55 <anjori> isn't there an online interface to accomplish the same task? or, i don't know, going in game?
11:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why can the bot do that when there is an online interface to it ><
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12:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why are there guitar amps and bass amps? what happens when i connect a guitar to a bass amp or vice versa?
12:26 <mkzelda> you will die
12:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ha ha
12:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hardly ever laughed like this -.-
12:29 <mkzelda> Among other reasons, bass amps are made for bass, they have tone controls made for bass guitars and keep it from distoring
12:29 <mkzelda> and your guitar amp will have a crossover at 60-100hz
12:29 <mkzelda> so it will not play low bass
12:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is there amps that can do both bass and guitar?
12:31 <mkzelda> i guess, i dont think thats the way to go
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13:17 <Lucifer_arma> I get a cool effect sometimes by plugging my guitar into my bass amp, but the other way is not so cool
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15:30 <spidey> omg
15:30 <spidey> don't take the top off a 2 day old cheese dip can
15:30 <spidey> :s
15:30 <Compn> lol
15:30 <spidey> i was gonna eat nochos and cheese dip for breakfast
15:30 <spidey> took the top off and i about puked xD
15:33 <spidey> anywho, gotta get back to work
15:33 <spidey> stopped for a cigarette ;s
15:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cigarettes are evil
15:34 <spidey> so are darkstars
15:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well at least i don't kill people
15:35 <spidey> but you do kill
15:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not intentionally
15:36 <spidey> you use anti-bacterial soap don't you?
15:36 <spidey> =p
15:36 <Luke-Jr> nothing wrong with killing animals and such
15:36 <spidey> really?
15:36 <spidey> so because they're not humans we can kill them
15:36 <spidey> even though they're living breathing things
15:36 <Luke-Jr> they were created for our use
15:37 <spidey> really?
15:37 <spidey> or is that just so we can eat meat
15:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there is something wrong about killing animals for fun
15:37 <Luke-Jr> obviously, it's not clear-cut "you can kill animals", there are other variables
15:37 <Luke-Jr> but in general
15:37 <spidey> thou salt not kill , doesn't specify what to kill and not to kill
15:37 <spidey> just says not to kill
15:37 <spidey> xD
15:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there are situations where you are allowed to kill
15:38 <Luke-Jr> including humans
15:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
15:38 <spidey> really? because mans law says so? 
15:38 <spidey> i gotta go now >.>
15:38 <Luke-Jr> such as self-defense, including the death penalty
15:38 <spidey> again
15:38 <spidey> mans law
15:39 <Luke-Jr> divine law
15:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i disagree with death penalty
15:39 <spidey> if you say so
15:39 <spidey> killing is killing
15:39 <Luke-Jr> big difference between killing a person, and killing an animal
15:39 <spidey> because you're a human
15:39 <spidey> right?
15:39 <Luke-Jr> no
15:39 <spidey> yes
15:39 <Luke-Jr> because a person has a soul
15:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so do animals
15:40 <spidey> oh and animals don't?
15:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> at least some
15:40 <Luke-Jr> darkstar: only technically
15:40 <Luke-Jr> they have physical souls, not spiritual
15:40 <spidey> just so i can go
15:40 <Luke-Jr> modern use of the word "soul" generally only refers to the spiritual
15:41 <GodTodd> how do you know animals have no spiritual soul?
15:41 <Luke-Jr> only certain scolars still use the more general definition of soul
15:41 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: they were not created with such
15:41 <GodTodd> says who?
15:41 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: you in for the 1-year civ game?
15:42 <GodTodd> dunno yet
15:42 <Luke-Jr> starts Fri/Sat
15:43 <Luke-Jr> timeout 86400, so 1 turn per day minimum
15:43 <Luke-Jr> (or you'll timeout =p)
15:45 <GodTodd> animals have souls and, as far as we know, they have religion as well
15:46 <GodTodd> can't prove they don't
15:46 <Luke-Jr> I can't, no, but it can be done.
15:46 <GodTodd> by whom?
15:47 <Luke-Jr> and it's irrelevant that I can't prove they don't, the only thing that matters is that they do, in fact, not
15:47 <GodTodd> says who?
15:47 <Luke-Jr> by a philosopher or theosopher, I imagine
15:47 <Luke-Jr> says me, since I've decided I don't care to convince you
15:47 <GodTodd> because you're wrong ;)
15:47 <Luke-Jr> nope
15:47 <GodTodd> sure...delusion is bliss
15:49 <GodTodd> at least you are following your religion's tenets....make baseless claims and then pull the "i don't have to convince you" card
15:49 <Luke-Jr> not really, I should be trying to convince you
15:49 <Luke-Jr> but this's one area I lack the expertise in to do it
15:49 <GodTodd> ahhh...so you're a bad catholic?
15:49 <Luke-Jr> and I also lack the time right now
15:50 <Luke-Jr> no, just incapable of doing what I ideally should
15:50 <GodTodd> nothing in that big book you all are so fond of about this?
15:52 <GodTodd>  The original word in the Bible translated 'soul' is NEPHESH, which is Hebrew meaning ' that which breathes'.
15:52 <GodTodd> Genesis 2;7 states that man 'came to be' a living soul. He was NOT 'given' one. This is backed by 1 Corinthians 15;45/
15:52 <GodTodd> well...i'll be...there are things about it ;)
15:58 <GodTodd> 'course that's the beauty of that book....if i find 5 references for my side, you can find 5 for your side....such is the nature of a contradictory writing
16:05 <Luke-Jr> like I said, 'soul' has an older meaning
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16:45 <spidey> lol
16:45 <spidey> lol
16:45 <spidey> klkdsj
16:45 <spidey> hm
16:45 <spidey> ah
16:45 <spidey> my scroll bar was stuck
16:45 <spidey> >.>
16:47 <spidey> MaZuffeR, 
16:47 <MaZuffeR> spidey
16:47 <spidey> who vote kicked you?
16:47 <MaZuffeR> don't know
16:47 <spidey> you didn't see a popup box?
16:48 <MaZuffeR> yes, but i didn't read who it was
16:48  * spidey forgot to disable polls
16:49 <MaZuffeR> what's the bug that they thought i abused?
16:49 <spidey> dunno
16:49 <spidey> there's alot of bugs in these map
16:49 <spidey> s
16:49 <spidey> but i don't have time to make maps, so i'm using these
16:49 <MaZuffeR> ok
16:50 <spidey> i still gotta come up with a good layout
16:50 <spidey> xD
16:50 <spidey> does it say you're banned?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: you there? I added a function to map that gets called by parser, and it works fine if i convert an actual SVG, but with “rake test” it fails with weird errors about rhat function not being defined…
16:50 <MaZuffeR> yep
16:52 <nemostultae> Don't know, can't help much without seeing the code.
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16:53 <spidey> MaZuffeR, pm me your ip
16:53 <luke-jr-work>
16:54 <spidey> try now
16:54 <luke-jr-work>
16:54 <spidey> hmm
16:54 <spidey> retry
16:54 <spidey> it was full
16:54 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: ah, got it. looks like I have to add some should_receives to the tests
16:54 <MaZuffeR> works now
16:54 <luke-jr-work>
16:55 <nemostultae> Oh, that is a mock object. 
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16:59 <wrtlprnft> woo, my matrix operations are working, it seems :)
17:02 <nemostultae> I'm re-factoring the parser to show the element names, and to unify groups contexts so we can use inkscape to do zones.
17:04 <wrtlprnft> i'd better hurry so i can commit first and you can do the merging :P
17:04 <wrtlprnft> though i didn't add much to the parser
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19:34  * wrtlprnft repeatedly bangs his head
19:34 <wrtlprnft> def get_coord(x, y)
19:34 <wrtlprnft> x = @ctm[0]*x + @ctm[1]*y + @ctm[2]
19:34 <wrtlprnft> y = @ctm[3]*x + @ctm[4]*y + @ctm[5]
19:34 <wrtlprnft> [x, y]
19:34 <wrtlprnft> end
19:34 <wrtlprnft> notice the mistake?
19:40 <luke-jr-work> no
19:49 <wrtlprnft> well, x gets overwritten in line 2
19:49 <wrtlprnft> and in line 3 the new x is used
19:49 <wrtlprnft> i know it's stupid, but it took me like 2 hours to find it
19:50 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6220 /tools/svg2aamap/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Now supports all kinds of transformations in SVG images.
19:52 <wrtlprnft> ok, I'm done with matrices for now
19:53 -!- Nixda553 [n=d5a5b842@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
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19:53 <i2020> helloooo
19:54 <wrtlprnft> hi i2020 
19:54 <i2020> hi... so.... nobody knows how to forbid the last external camera view?
19:55 <i2020> btw... are you wanting to play in the four team tournament... or are you already?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> i don't want to, as it's organized by wpn
19:56 <wrtlprnft> i2020: it's a bug in 0.3.0, you can't disable it. It's fixed in the trunk
19:56 <i2020> hehhehe... sorry i didn't realise there was a boycott
19:56 <i2020> ahhhh o welll there goes the idea of an all-incam session
19:57 <wrtlprnft> well, that cam is 0.3.0-only
19:57 <wrtlprnft> so clients have no way around it
19:57 <wrtlprnft> unless you hack the client, of course
19:58 <i2020> me? hack? you have been living too long in your virtual palace..... anything interesting going down?
19:58 <wrtlprnft> it's not hard, any script kiddie can do it
19:58 <i2020> that's me out then
19:59 <wrtlprnft> spidey will be very likely able to do it too
19:59 <i2020> liked your graphs btw
19:59 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:01 <spidey> do what?
20:03 <i2020> wrtl was saying something about hacking.... and kids.... and for some reason you came up...
20:04 <spidey> ;/
20:05 <spidey> hacking what?
20:05  * spidey scrolls up
20:05 <wrtlprnft> arma
20:05 <wrtlprnft> to ignore camera restrictions
20:05 <wrtlprnft> and no, you DON'T need to demonstrate it and post the result somewhere
20:06 <DrJoeTron> wpn hosting anything?
20:06 <DrJoeTron> thats gotta be horrible
20:07 <spidey> well
20:07 <spidey> i wouldn't be able to compile it anyways
20:07 <spidey> i've tried on windows, and it's a bitch
20:07 <spidey> =/
20:09 <wrtlprnft> you don
20:09 <wrtlprnft> 't need to compile anything
20:09 <spidey> ?
20:11 <i2020> i think it was a joke....
20:13 <wrtlprnft> it wasn't
20:13 <DrJoeTron> the wpn thing
20:13 <DrJoeTron> ?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> i'm just not gonna tell everyone, though I think it's obvious if you know the console commands to forbid certain cameras…
20:14 <wrtlprnft> the wpn thing already happened once
20:14 <wrtlprnft> this is the second tournament
20:14 <DrJoeTron> i love those little posers
20:17 <DrJoeTron> they're adorable with their color codes and short temper
20:19 <spidey> we pwn noobs?
20:19 <spidey> i thought lots of love was bad
20:19 <wrtlprnft> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/implnote.html#ArcImplementationNotes ← does someone feel like implementing this?
20:20 <DrJoeTron> fuck those guys
20:21 <DrJoeTron> they're like the fat annoying cousin of armagetron
20:22 <DrJoeTron> neck beard and all
20:22 <i2020> heheheh
20:23  * GodTodd goes slinks off to shave his neck beard...
20:24 <luke-jr-work> lol
20:29 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6221 /tools/svg2aamap/TODO: Updated TODO
20:30 <wrtlprnft> now someone needs to implement all this, which is quite hard partly
20:31 <wrtlprnft> especially the arc thing gives me a headache
20:32 -!- luke-jr-work is now known as luke-jr_work
20:33 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: is there any way you can change your ellipse generator to make SVG args with the params it provides?
20:47 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
20:50 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034249181.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
20:52 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: -=|LøÏ|=- Lords Of Destruction Sumo Server (15 players) || Strawberry Fields (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (6 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (6 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Dogfight (6 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Classic Server (5 players) || (1 more message)
20:53 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails lords
20:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: -=|LøÏ|=-  Lords Of Destruction Sumo Server: Players (14/16): $$$tueur$$$, ct|SeBoL158, help im a bug, I/O Bus, newbÎd, Set(void), UbErNoOb, V3xED, Wazer, ~*Sp*~Sp33d, ~*wHaTuP*~, ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, ¡«VPN», °¯rain
20:53 <Vanhayes> #more
20:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (5 players) || Strawberry Fields - BACKUP-SERVER (4 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Temporary Arena {100MBit} (3 players) || MicroBusCity.com (3 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (2 players)
20:54 <wrtlprnft> SVG *arcs* of course
20:56 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails sty
20:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Capture The Flag Sty: Players (8/8): +optimus prime+, KamP, Lil Hell Spider, Mekugi, quartzlcc, [mho]ese.ai, |Fiasco|, ~{GP}~woorm
21:01 <Compn> sumo full
21:01 <Compn> time for fort?
21:07 <Vanhayes> i really dont like lod's sumo
21:08 <Vanhayes> not very fun at all
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21:10 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:10 <wrtlprnft> I'ma go to wild DF
21:27 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-197-180.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
21:37 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
21:37 <armabot> pong
21:38 <Your_mom_arma> #resources
21:38 <armabot> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
21:39 <wrtlprnft> shall i upload my newest crazy map?
21:40 <luke-jr_work> obviously
21:42 <wrtlprnft> any way to raise that upload file size limit?
21:42 <wrtlprnft> it's annoying
21:44 <DrJoeTron> $up d00d lol
21:44 <wrtlprnft> always have to scp and then use ?filef…
21:45 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/crazy/inkscapeMadness-3.aamap.xml
21:45 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/crazy/inkscapeMadness-3.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
21:46  * wrtlprnft 's gonna play that map on one of luke's “look, here's the password for this server” servers
21:47 <Your_mom_arma> haha
21:48 <Vanhayes> nice try wrtlprnft 
21:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:48 <Your_mom_arma> haha
21:48 <wrtlprnft> what happened now?
21:49 <Your_mom_arma> crashed me
21:49 <Vanhayes> you didnt spell it exactally right
21:49 <wrtlprnft> maybe it didn't like me doing /admin server_name wrtl's hijacked test server
21:49 <Vanhayes> probly missed a cap
21:50 <Your_mom_arma> so howd you make it wrtlprnft
21:50 <wrtlprnft> argh
21:50 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: can you reset that server?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: using inkscape and the script posted on the foums
21:50 <wrtlprnft> *forums
21:50 <Vanhayes> isnt there two?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> they're the same, it seems
21:51 <Your_mom_arma> script in the forums? inkscape? links please
21:51 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft, ?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: i mistyped a map_file command
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and now it kicks everyone who tries to join
21:52 <wrtlprnft> a restart will do
21:52 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6311
21:52 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft, it autorestarts on occasion
21:52 <Your_mom_arma> anyway to fix that so it loads the square map on an invalid map command?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: can't you do it manually so i can test the map?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> might be an idea
21:53 <luke-jr_work> maybe
21:53 <i2020> well.... if anyone is up for incam... it is happening at team challenge in five...
21:53 <Your_mom_arma> howd i miss that
21:53 <luke-jr_work> restarted
21:53 <wrtlprnft> ty
21:53 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: let's have another try?
21:54 <Vanhayes> sure
21:55 <Vanhayes> argh stupid high spam protection
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21:57 <wrtlprnft> ...
21:57 <wrtlprnft> something's wrong…
21:57 <Vanhayes> guess so
21:57 <Your_mom_arma> looked like it loaded fine
21:57 <Vanhayes> ya, the path was right
21:57 <Vanhayes> MAP_FILE wrtlprnft/crazy/inkscapeMadness-3.aamap.xml
21:58 <Your_mom_arma> it crashed after the round started with the right map
21:58 <wrtlprnft> sec, i'll try locally…
21:58 <wrtlprnft> works fine on local game
21:59 <Vanhayes> same here
21:59 <wrtlprnft> ie downloads from the repository etc
21:59 <Your_mom_arma> not pretty at all  map cord's
21:59 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: something's screwed with your server :P
21:59 <Your_mom_arma> y="-287.76973"/>
21:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:59 <wrtlprnft> it's because in svg the y axis is bottom to top
22:00 <wrtlprnft> and in aamaps it's top to bottom
22:00 <wrtlprnft> or the other way, i dunno
22:00 <wrtlprnft> they need to be split, anyways
22:00 <wrtlprnft> *mirrored
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> how did you convert it?
22:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/tools/svg2aamap/
22:01 <wrtlprnft> well, stand by while i set up a server to test it on
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> you can't just say "I did 0 - y coordinate" or something like that?
22:01 <Your_mom_arma> mabey get nemo to tell it to round off numbers to the nearest hundreth
22:01 <Vanhayes> crazy map
22:03 <wrtlprnft> #serverinfo spoon/ladle
22:05 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails spoon
22:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “spoon” at the moment, sorry.
22:05 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl just host it off your client?
22:05 <Vanhayes> #serverdetails spoon/ladle
22:05 <wrtlprnft> doing just that
22:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “spoon/ladle” at the moment, sorry.
22:06 <wrtlprnft> doesn't appear on the master for some reason...
22:08 <wrtlprnft> custom connect to wrtlprnft.ath.cx, port 4536
22:08 <Your_mom_arma> login denied
22:09 <wrtlprnft> for what reason?
22:09 <Your_mom_arma> version incompatable with server
22:09 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:09 <Your_mom_arma> im running the last .3 release
22:13 <wrtlprnft> try again…
22:13 <Your_mom_arma> same
22:15 <nemostultae> 0.2.8 worked fine.
22:15 <wrtlprnft> weird
22:15 <wrtlprnft> huh?
22:15 <wrtlprnft> why didn't i see you then?
22:17 <nemostultae> because I'm there now?
22:17 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen nemo
22:18 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: nemostultae has last been seen on ed's highly experimental mayhem 3 days 4 hours 20 minutes ago.
22:19 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen 4
22:19 <armabot> DrJoeTron: urbanracer34 has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Dogfight 43 minutes ago.
22:19 <DrJoeTron> 10 bucks thats an aim sn
22:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i think that's what it does
22:27 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: depends, nemostultae would need to tell me how to round numbers in ruby :P
22:27 <wrtlprnft> and sometimes you might want numbers that are as exact as possible
22:28 <nemostultae> Use String#% like in python
22:28 <Your_mom_arma> var.to_i
22:30 <nemostultae> "%.2f" % 10.000000 -> "10.00"
22:30 <wrtlprnft> well, integers are too unexcact
22:31 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: will do
22:33 <DrJoeTron> holy shit
22:33 <DrJoeTron> guys
22:33 <DrJoeTron> those fast franks
22:33 <DrJoeTron> from oscar mayer
22:33 <DrJoeTron> ...they arent half bad
22:34 <DrJoeTron> well for a hot dog and bun that was cooked in a microwave for 40 seconds not bad
22:34 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: the only problem is that i don't understand the syntax that generates the actual XML
22:34 <wrtlprnft> what are thos % strings?
22:35 <wrtlprnft> *those
22:35 <nemostultae> I use %{} strings so I can use " and interpolate variables.
22:36 <wrtlprnft> argh. Now i understand what s.a does
22:36  * wrtlprnft notes that this and p aren't exactly easy to read who doesn't know the language
22:37 <nemostultae> You could always do puts var.inspect :)
22:38 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:38  * wrtlprnft has lots to learn about ruby
22:38 <nemostultae> for the % strings you can use any delimiter you want, so you could do %(), %||,  %**, etc…
22:40 <wrtlprnft> well, I'd have just used normal " and used things like “x='%.2f'“ inside :P
22:40 <spidey> This computer has been up for  9 days, 17 Hours, 59 Minutes And 52 Seconds 
22:40 <spidey> hrm
22:40 <spidey> i can't even tell it hasn't been rebooted
22:43 <nemostultae> Are two digits enough precision?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> i'll do 3
22:43 <wrtlprnft> :w
22:43 <wrtlprnft> oops
22:43  * wrtlprnft ← vim user :P
22:44 <spidey> how about
22:44 <spidey> fixing tht stupid stuff so i can understand half of what you say
22:45 <Vanhayes> cant blame them for you not knowing things
22:46 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034249181.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has quit [""Quitted""]
22:46 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> well, I'd have just used normal " and used things like “x='%.2f'“ inside :P
22:46 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034249181.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
22:46 <Vanhayes> oops
22:46 <nemostultae> say and run vanhayes?
22:46 <spidey> i see aot of ascii chars
22:46 <Vanhayes> heh, I have bad mouse aim
22:46 <Vanhayes> I tried to hit minus but hit X instead
22:47 <wrtlprnft> spidey: in fact, except for the “ and ”, that's all you're supposed to see
22:47 <spidey> hmm
22:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/crazy/inkscapeMadness-4.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
22:48 <wrtlprnft> woo, this one even fits the size limit without ssh tricks!
22:48 <wrtlprnft> fixed version
22:49 <nemostultae> I looked at the group elements Inkscape generates, and they are rubbish. I don't think we'll be able to add support for zones for inkscape.
22:49 <nemostultae> plus it uses arc for circles…
22:49 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6222 /tools/svg2aamap/lib/svg2aamap/ (map.rb path_data.rb):
22:49 <armabot> armagetronad: - Paths are now guaranteed to end at their actual end point. Before it was possible that they ended before that because of floating point inaccuracies.
22:49 <wrtlprnft> converting paths to circles is alchemy
22:49 <armabot> armagetronad: - The coordinates are limited to 3 digits after the decimal now for smaller file sizes.
22:50 <wrtlprnft> but we do need support for the A command, but the formulas the w3 has in their spec are waaaay over my head
22:51  * wrtlprnft ← grade 12 student…
22:52 <Your_mom_arma> ruby seems veryo compact
22:55 <nemostultae> I finished re-factoring the parser, but it will be a pain to merge.
22:55 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: don't worry
22:55 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: most of the imortant stuff I put into a new file
22:56 <wrtlprnft> if you want you can just overwrite it all and I'll merge my stuff in tomorrow
23:11 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:11 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:16 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:16 <armabot> pong
23:16 <DrJoeTron> #ping
23:16 <armabot> pong
23:16 <DrJoeTron> #ping
23:16 <armabot> pong
23:16 <DrJoeTron> #ping
23:16 <armabot> pong
23:16 <DrJoeTron> fuckers good
23:16 <DrJoeTron> #ping
23:16 <armabot> pong
23:17 <DrJoeTron> #pong
23:17 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-197-180.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has left #armagetron []
23:17 <DrJoeTron> take that
23:17 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-197-180.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
23:19 <Vanhayes> #pung
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:19 <armabot> pong
23:20 <Your_mom_arma> it timed out on me i guess
23:21 <Vanhayes> #ping
23:21 <armabot> pong
23:21 <Vanhayes> #ping
23:21 <armabot> pong
23:21 <Vanhayes> #list alias
23:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, do, f, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, ircstats, lastseen, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, onlineplayers, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, serverdetails, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
23:22 <Vanhayes> armabot hello
23:22 <armabot> Hello Vanhayes :) Random Fortune: Is not that the nature of men and women -- that the pleasure is in the || learning of each other? || -- Natira, the High Priestess of Yonada, "For the World is || Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky", stardate 5476.3.
23:23 <Vanhayes> #q
23:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take to change a light bulb?" (added by hang3r at 07:41 AM, March 31, 2006)
23:23 <Vanhayes> #q
23:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
23:23 <Vanhayes> hehe
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: nemostultae: I posted about the coordinate thing.  :)  Would have just mentioned it here but I was on the phone with what may be my new ISP
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> off to class now, later
23:59 <luke-jr_work> hm
23:59 <luke-jr_work> my respect for Perl coders is currently very low

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